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[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
I have yet to see anyone activate any esim on Verizon other than the iPhone. Has anyone tried activating the Verizon P3 esim on another carrier and either been successful or not? That would determine if it was indeed deactivated or removed.

edit: there seems to be not only confusion regarding the VZW esim but very differing opinions from the experts. I've seen the esim is missing to disabled to waiting for carrier updates. I've called Google, Verizon and Tmobile and no one has given me the same answer. Basically, I don't think anyone knows or if they do I haven't spoken to them yet. People are understandably frustrated and annoyed. If it is disabled it can be enabled. If it's not there then an RMA is in order, at least for me. But I'm holding out hope for an update. I like the device I have now, it's basically flawless other than the battery life is abysmal.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] TopGun2000:
Technically, what you mentioned is not even dual standby, it's single standby, when you switch, the old SIM de-registers from its network. True dual standby phones are like iPhonxe XS, XR, you don't need to switch SIMs, both can receive phone calls at any time but only one active given there is good reception.

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Just FYI, MOTO and Samsung have dual-sim models in China with CDMA support, but they may lack of some of the US LTE bands. Xiaomi MIX 2/2s/3 may be your another choice.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
That's not so. What I described is exactly how the XS and XRs work. With dual standby nothing de-registers it just becomes deactive. When the second sim is deactive it cannot accept phone calls at any time. Some have said it will go to voicemail but some have said it just doesn't even connect and thus no voicemail is able to be received. Unfortunately, I don't have a device with dual standby since my Pixel 3 is a VZW model and the esim has been deactivated for now. I'm not even sure what single standby is other than an adapter that holds 2 sim cards and you can call up which you want without having to pull the sim tray. But that has nothing to do with esim. Any device with an esim and sim tray with one radio is considered dual standby.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] TopGun2000:
That's what I meant. XS / XR are dual standby phones and have two IMEIs, Pixel 3 is not. Pixel 3 has only one IMEI and can use one SIM (eSIM or physical) at a time, when you switch to one, the other one is deactivated (not standby), which is equivalent to removing the other SIM completely from the phone from wireless Radio point of view. Theoretically, Snapdragon 845 has dual standby capability if Google ever decides to implement it. Pixel 3 at this point is just like a phone with a multiple SIM adapter, you can switch SIMs but not utilizing dual standby radio. And legally P3 cannot do dual standby right now, because it only has one IMEI#.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Once again, you have incorrect information. The P3 has an IMEI as well as an esim identifier eid. The Xr and Xs only have one imei number. IMEI only identifies the device not the network. The P3 (not the Verizon one) has one IMEI and one EID. There is no such thing as a dual standby radio. Either the device is dual standby via an esim or it's a dual active device with two radios. Switching sims or carriers on a dual standby phone is the same as removing one sim on dual sim phones but we don't have dual sim phones currently. At least the iPhones and Pixel 3 lines are not. One last thing, legally you are incorrect as well. The P3 can do dual standby today and they only have one IMEI as I stated above.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] PowerPC:
Do you actually own an iPhone XS/XR? Can you post photos that shows only one IMEI? I have iPhone XS Max on hand and it shows two IMEI. Maybe I misunderstood what you are saying.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
I wish. Post the pic I'd be curious to see that. Screenie would be great.

Edit.. just to clarify this is a US version right?
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
If anyone here has a Pixel 3 / xl with an esim active on one carrier and a nano active on another carrier please post your imei settings with it grayed out. Some people need to know it's not illegal and currently available. Lots of folks on Reddit have it active but there are no screen shots available there. Google told me today that the esim on the VZW model is there but not activated which is really stupid. I'm going to try to get it either activated or replaced with a Google variant. I have no hope for either.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
AT&T Nano SIM, Google Fi eSIM.

Have used this setup since the day Pixel 3XL was released. And for the record, used the same setup on Pixel 2XL as well.

When my wife gets home I will look on her phone, she has iPhone XS, but only AT&T Nano SIM, will poke around to see what is in settings. May even look into activating her eSIM on Fi for fun.

ADDED INFO:

As for what happens when one or the other is active or not, probably depends on the carrier.

For example, with Fi, if I have service active, but it is NOT being used on the phone a call to that number will go to voicemail. If Fi service is paused and that number is called, it will say the call cannot be completed. Since you are not able to pause AT&T it is either going to go to voicemail, or forwarded depending on your settings, as if the phone were off, or obviously fail if there is no service to that number.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
And that is exactly how dual sim standby works. I'm not sure what the previous poster was thinking about it not being legal or being single sim standby but obviously he was mistaken.

But that's why it is confusing and argued whether or not the call would go to VM or not. It seems that if the service (carrier) is the one on the esim then it's "network unavailable" if it's not active. But if the carrier (in your case ATT) is on the physical nano sim then even if the esim is the active one then ATT will go to voicemail. Great post, thanks. And I would be very interested if the iPhone has two IMEIs even though it really doesn't matter much. I did read that if the phone was dual active i.e. two radios, then it "might" have two IMEIs. The point being you don't need two in order to be dual sim standby.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
Well, I think there is a rub to this though as well as to what happens. I don't think it is dependent however on whether or not the eSIM is active or not. Just how the carrier supports active or inactive devices.

Since you can have Fi in two different states as a carrier (paused/active) you get two different behaviors, it's not dependent on it being eSIM or nano SIM. You can insert a Fi nano SIM into a Pixel and it behaves the same as the eSIM (yes, I have done this). In other words, a Fi SIM, or Fi on eSIM on Pixel will do the same thing as far as incoming call handling depending on Fi being paused or active. If Fi carrier service is active, it will go to VM (or forwarded, or however you have it setup), if it's paused (carrier service) you will get call cannot be completed. As far as I know, this is unique to Fi (as other carriers dont't allow pause of service), so for example if you have AT&T as nano SIM, and some other carrier who supports eSIM it will not be the same. In this case, it should fall to how the carrier handles a device that is 'off', or how the user has set up to handle unanswered calls, since their service is technically active, but the device is not.

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Also, I think most of the confusion stems from the terminology being used..

The Pixel is technically not a dual standby device. It can not at any time have the SIM and eSIM active simultaneously, which is required for a device to be dual standby. Dual standby allows a devices to have both numbers actively listened to for an incoming call. When a call comes to one number (SIM), the other SIM at that point is then inactive.

The Pixel is not capable of doing this, it is one or the other active at any point in time.

It is technically a just a dual SIM device, but can only utilize a single SIM at a given time. It really is no different than a single SIM phone that you have to physically switch SIM cards to switch carriers.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
[MENTION=1277409]unc[/MENTION]iren What you are referring to is dual active, thus two radios. Dual standby is what you have. It's not exactly the same as removing and replacing a sim since you can receive a voicemail on att while inactive. If you removed the att sim it would not do that. Although I'm not sure how that would work. Might want to test it. The only thing dual standby gives a user is not having to physically swap Sims. Dual active is different and what you describe.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] TopGun2000:
I'm sorry, you are completely wrong on this. IMEI is the identification for the device, but ICCID (SIM) or EID (eSIM) is for the SIM identification.

If you read the law, you cannot have the same IMEI activated on two different network, that's technically device IMEI/ESN cloning.

You cannot just make up your own facts. Just go to an Apple store or borrow a friends' XR / XS, or just look at the packaging box for XS/XR, you will find two IMEI#s printed on it.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
That is ludicrous. There is no such law regarding dual standby phones. What you are saying is that I can't change carriers once I register with one. Does that even make sense to you? Remember on dual standby only one is active at the any one time. Show me the law you are referring to and post a screen shot of your dual IMEI phone please.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] TopGun2000:
You interpret the terms in your own way not the conventional definition.

In the conventional wireless world, dual active phone means two active wireless services can be performed simultaneously, e.g. calling two different numbers at the same time (not conference call).

Dual standby means two wireless services can be registered live on networks at the same time (both in standby mode, no need to manually switch), but at any time, only one of the services can be used to actively making phone calls, data connections.

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That's not what I meant, changing ICCID or eSIM is not changing IMEI, you cannot change IMEI on your own legally, you can use whatever SIM as you want but not IMEI.

It looks like you haven't ever touched any dual-sim phone before.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
You are contradicting yourself. What you just posted is correct. Your previous post was not.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] TopGun2000:
Take a look at the packaging box for an iPhone XR. Two IMEI#s are printed!!!
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] TopGun2000:
Show me what I said was wrong.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
I don't know where to even begin, so much of what you have said is incorrect. I can't really go back for all the quotes but I guess I can start by when you said the XR and XS are different than the Pixel 3 in terms of dual standby devices. They work exactly the same. In fact the iPhones are labeled as DSDS (dual sim, dual standby). That's the P3 / XL in a nutshell. There is no such thing as a single sim standby device which you say distinguishes those devices.

And then there's this quote.. "If you read the law, you cannot have the same IMEI activated on two different network, that's technically device IMEI/ESN cloning." That's just wrong. But to be fair you then correct yourself and say you meant you can't legally change an IMEI which is correct. So I'm not really sure what you meant in the first place. But let me try to clear up the confusion you seem to be having.

There are two types of devices regarding esim technology. Dual standby and dual active. There are no dual active phones in the US that I know of although I believe internationally there are 5 or so that you can probably use in the US. With a dual active phone you can have both calls online at the same time and switch back and forth. You might even be able to merge the calls but I'm not sure about that. You do not need two IMEIs since the IMEI is attached to the device and not the network you are on. However, the device would need two distinct radios to be dual active phones. The XR XS or P3 line does not have that. I think that's another year down the line.

Dual standby is what we all have. One radio one sim tray and one esim. You can use both networks without taking the sim out but you can only have one network active at a time. Therefore you cannot have both calls on separate networks on the line at once. It's either or. When one of the sims is active such as the esim or the nano sim, and that is determined by software on the device, the other sim becomes inactive. Not deactivated, but inactive. IMEI has nothing to do with anything regarding this discussion. As stated above depending on the carrier when one network is inactive you might or might not be able to receive voicemails. But for certain you cannot use the network for calling and probably not data either although I'm not entirely sure of that.

There is no such thing as a single standby device as you also said originally. I'm not saying you are being contentious or argumentative I'm just saying you are misinformed. Now according to my wife I'm not always correct although I beg to differ. So with that being said.. correct me where I went wrong. I take no offense but I will need proof.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] TopGun2000:
Have you ever taken a look at the XR box picture I posted? In order to be DSDS, you need two IMEI# per device. Why you kept asking for proof but ignoring it instead?

You've confused yourself big time. DSDS means there are two wireless services are registered "live" from network point of view (each live service has a unique IMEI#+SIM combo) simultaneously. Any call can come in on either of the lines and can be answered at any time, just not at the same time. But due to HW limitation, only one of the two services can be used by the phone to make calls or data connection at any given time, but they are both live from network/tower point of view. This is how XS and XR work.

P3 is not DSDS. It only has one IMEI#, once your switch to either an eSIM or phy SIM, the previous wireless service is de-registered from its network. Only the current eSIM/SIM + IMEI combo is used for a single wireless service (live).

However, what Google Fi does for call forwarding/voicemail when there is no its active wireless service is a different story.

Please, please, do some homework before providing incorrect information.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
[MENTION=2659927]bobby janow[/MENTION]

As explained above, numerous times, the Pixel(s) are not dual sim dual active, nor dual sim dual standby phones.

They at any given time ONLY have one SIM active, whether that is SIM in the tray, or eSIM is irrelevant. ONLY one is active, the other is completely ignored by the phone, as far as service goes, it doesn't even exist.

Im not sure where you gotten any information to the contrary, but it is incorrect.

Pixels are dual SIM phones in that they can have a nano SIM in tray, and also have an eSIM onboard. However, at no point in time can they be active together, its just not currently possible. It is a dual SIM, single standby phone, if you wish to call it that.

There is NO function of whichever SIM is not active whatsoever, no VM will come in, no calls, or texts. Ever. Well, maybe in the future if Google updates them, but it's highly unlikely.

For the record, my wifes iPhone XS has 2 IMEI numbers. One for 'primary SIM', one for 'digital SIM'.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Wait a sec. Didn't you say that you can receive voicemail on your ATT line if the Fi sim is active? How can you say that the ATT line doesn't exist if it will accept vm? On a dual active phone you can receive phone calls on both at the same time. On dual standby you cannot. So are you saying that dual active and dual standby are the same? If not, then what is the difference? And then is there a difference between dual standby, dual active and dual active/dual standby? Come on guys let's have some solid evidence. Two IMEIs matter not. An IMEI is a device identifier not a network identifier.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
No, I didn't say that.

I said the call will go to voicemail not that you would receive it, or any indication of it on the phone.

You can easily test this, turn your phone off and call your cell number, what happens? Fi is the exception as I stated earlier, you can pause the service, whereby your SIM is no longer active. You will get 2 different messages depending on the state of your service (paused service vs. active service, regardless of the phones state). When paused, you will get call cannot be completed. When active (service), but not active (SIM) on the Pixel, it will go to VM, but you would not know you received a call until it becomes the active SIM, or you have set calls up to be forwarded, or otherwise handled.

You clearly haven't read what was posted.

If you have active service, but not on a device (as in the SIM is not active, or the device is turned off) and you call a number, you can leave a VM, or if setup differently, the call will be forwarded, etc. However, there is no indication on the phone that anything whatsoever happened. There won't be until that SIM is active again.

As stated before, by others as well, dual active and dual standby are not even remotely the same. As was also noted earlier, the Pixels are neither of those.

So let's break it down.

1. Dual SIM, dual active phones can make and receive calls simultaneously on the same device. Pixels cannot. And for the record, these phones require two modems, and two IMEIs to accomplish this.

2. Dual SIM, dual standby phones can make or receive phone calls on ONLY one SIM at a time, rendering the other SIM inactive for the duration of that call. When that call is completed, both SIMs again become active. Pixels cannot do this!!!!

3. Dual SIM, 'single standby' if you will, are what the Pixels are. They have a physical nano SIM and an embedded eSIM, but, when one is active, the other is inactive completely, there is no standby. This is essentially the same as a single SIM phone. You have to physically change the SIM in order to use the other number/SIM. Whereas the Pixel accomplishes the switching thru software instead of swapping the physical SIMs.

You do realize that if you have a SIM that is associated with an active carrier account, you could take that SIM out of the device, hold the SIM in your and call the number, and have that call go to VM (or forwarded, etc), correct?

We have given you 'evidence' multiple times already. I actually have used 2 generations of them in this manner, so I have first hand knowledge as well as having read many articles, including ones from the carriers on how the Pixels operate. The information is readily available should you choose to look.

I am not confused one bit as too how dual sim dual standby vs. dual sim dual active works. They are distinctly different. As has now been said multiple times by a few different people here, the Pixels are neither of these. You just choose not to accept it.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Dual active and dual standby are distinctly different. Show me where anyone here has said differently. Stop for a second and read this thread. There is no such thing as dual single standby. That even sounds silly.

Going to voicemail is the exact same as getting it. What do you mean? You get it when you ask for it.

Edit . There are two states. Dual active and dual standby. We have no dual active phones in the US at this time. Show me otherwise. Imei is irrelevant.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
UGGHH. Seriously.

Read my post to see how a Pixel phone (read not other dual sim, dual standby phones) actually works. It cannot be any clearer. The Pixels are NOT dual SIM, dual standby phones.

Having a call go to VM is not the same as receiving a VM. Not sure how this is confusing to you.

If someone has a phone and it is off and you call it, depending on how they have their service setup, it will go to VM, be forwarded, etc. If the call went to VM, the person would not know it until their phone is turned on. Pretty simple really.

Here is an another example for you.

With a dual sim, dual standby (not a Pixel) phone you get a call, and answer it. Your talking, and the other line also gets a call, but since that SIM is inactive, but you have service, the call goes to VM (or forwarded, whatever) you won't know there was a call on the other line until you complete the first call. Once that call is completed and both SIMs become active, you will get an indication from the second line of VM/missed call, etc on the phone. Both lines can now make or receive an incoming call.

Now, using a Pixel phone.

You do not even need to be on a call. You have SIM 1, and eSIM 2.

Your phone is sitting on your desk, SIM 1 is active on the phone. (If that is the case eSIM 2 is inactive completely).

Someone calls the eSIM number. Your phone will do nothing. It will not tell you if there is a VM, a text, nothing. The only way you would know is if you switch to the eSIM being active, or if you had call forwarding or other enabled.

At no point with a Pixel can both lines actively listen for calls, or make calls with the inactive number without the user physically switching to it. Hence, there is no standby.

I guess for you the easiest thing to say is that a Pixel phone is just simply a dual SIM phone. Nothing more, as there is no standby. In order to use the SIM or the eSIM in any capacity, it has to physically be set by the user to be active, thereby rendering the other totally inactive. And by totally, it means just that, its as if it doesn't exist (to the phone).

See the difference?
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
This is fun. Too much beer tonight to respond. Tomorrow is another day. But suffice it to say I love this discussion. If my Verizon Pixel could activate my esim I'd be out of here. But alas it's not. Back tomorrow so hold onto your hats.

But last question. Are there now 3 states, dual SIM active, dual SIM standby and now, thank you Apple, dual SIM/ dual standby? Thanks guys...

Edit.. There are so many things wrong with the previous post that I can't even begin to address them from my phone. I'll get to my computer tomorrow and lay out your misconceptions. I suggest the both of you read up on what dual SIM active and dual SIM standby are. There is nothing else. Dsds is only a moniker designed by Apple which is nothing more than dual standby. But more tomorrow. Prove to me overnight that Apple's implemention of dual standby is different than the Pixel 3. It's not. IMEI or not. Why in the world would you have 2 IMEI? Doesn't make sense. And I still don't have a screen shot of two IMEI on a device. I don't care about a box lable.