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[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
I have already outlined how the Pixel is different from iPhone and other Android dual standby phones, you just don't grasp it.

Pixel phones CANNOT listen to two numbers at the same time, under any circumstance. Apple, as well as Android dual standby phones CAN.

DO you understand what this means? You clearly don't. So I guess I will explain it again for the second time.

Apple iPhone with dual SIMs active. The iPhone is sitting on your desk. You get a call on the nano SIM associated phone number, the phone rings. You ignore it for now. iPhone goes back to sitting on the desk. You get a call on the eSIM associated phone number, the phone rings. You ignore it for now. iPhone goes back to sitting on the desk.

Pixel phone dual SIMs. Both cannot be active at the same time, at any point. We'll ignore that fact for now. Nano SIM card is active in the phones settings. Pixel phone gets a call on the phone number associated with the nano SIM card, the phone rings. You ignore it for now. Pixel phone goes back to sitting on the desk. You get a call on the eSIM associated phone number. The phone does not ring. You can't ignore it because it's not ringing. Pixel phone continues to sit on the desk, silently.

A Pixel phone does NOT switch SIM usage by itself in any manner, it all must be done by the user. An Apple phone or Android dual standby phone will alternate the active and inactive SIMs automagically. No user interaction required.

I for the life of me cannot understand why you can't grasp this concept.

The moniker as you like to call it really is irrelevant. It is the manner in which the device(s) in question behave. In NO circumstance do Pixel phones behave like you claim they do (or iPhones or other dual SIM android phones).

As to why you need two IMEI, I guess you'd need to talk to Apple, as for some unknown reason, they include two on capable devices. See the attached screenshot of my wife's iPhone XS.

Clearly the iPhone has two distinct IMEI numbers, whereas Pixel devices have a single IMEI that is shown whether using the nano SIM, or the eSIM.

For proof, I guess you can read Apples implementation: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209044

as for Google, they don't offer much help, but look here: https://support.google.com/fi/answer/7540641?hl=en <~~~~ scroll down to the part about 'Switch between your eSIM and physical SIM card'
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
edit.. My phone cut off everything I wrote other than that line. lol. I'll try again below.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
LOL. My Nexus 6 can do that too, all I have to do is switch the SIM. Same as Pixel.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
See above edited post.. Ok here is what I was trying to say.

According to your link.. "Both of your phone numbers can make and receive voice calls and send and receive SMS and MMS.2 Your iPhone can use one cellular data network at a time." And that's at the very beginning. Read it again.. one cellular network at a time. Not both at the same time voicemail notwithstanding. If the iPhone XR could use both networks at the same time you'd need to have two radios which it doesn't. So you need to manually switch them via some interface which is explained later in the article. You need to select which line is active in order to call a contact. How is that wrong?

On the Pixel 3 the interface is different. You need to go into network settings and select the sim you want to use. Now I'm not sure exactly how that looks because I can't do it on my Verizon device yet. Hopefully soon though. So since you have one with two networks, nano and esim, how do you switch exactly?

Now let's take a look at voicemail. You stated previously that it is carrier dependent. If you have Fi active then your ATT will go to VM. Would you get a notification? If you forward your ATT line to Fi would you receive the call? That's what Apple suggests in order to receive a call on the active line from the inactive one. Read it through.

To summarize, neither device is dual active. They are both dual standby although switching networks is slightly different. There is nothing else, not single standby, not dual single whatever you call it. It's either dual standby or active standby. I wish we had active standby phones. I believe you could even merge the calls. With active standby you could be one one call and then receive a call on the other network while putting the first call on hold. That can't be done with the iPhone or the Pixel 3. I'm going to reread the article you posted again and make sure that the ipone doesn't have two radios. If it does then I'm totally mistaken in my assessment.

As for dual IMEIs, what's that about? If you go into your network account of the carrier which shows up? If it's both then what happens when you want to blacklist a device that is lost or stolen?You blacklist both? I thought the IMEI was a device identifier. I'm sure there is an explanation but that's immaterial to this discussion.

Last thing.. let's not make this personal, it's merely a discussion. I'll try to find corroborating evidence. (but you're wrong) lol, just kidding. ;)

edit: ok time for a clarification. On the Pixel 3 can you use the secondary sim, either the esim or the nano sim, for data when it's not active? That is unclear. I saw a discussion some time ago which said you could do that. It does seem that the iPhone can but I'm not sure if that's just a software modification or a physical mod. And it does seem like switching is easier on the iPhone. Since you have a P3 with esim enabled could you try to use data on the inactive sim and report the results please.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
Sigh.

Again. The iPhone, when NOT in a call currently will have two active cellular connections. BOTH can receive an incoming call. A Pixel phone CANNOT do this. THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE!!!!! A Pixel phone can ONLY have one active SIM at a time, the iPhone can have TWO!!!! Its very simple. If a SIM is not active, for any reason the phone will not ring. Forget about any other feature of the phone.

If my iPhone with dual SIM is sitting on the desk, not being used, either of the two numbers, if called will cause the phone to ring, thusly alerting me to a call. A PIXELL PHONE CANNOT DO THIS!!!!! THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE!!!!! If the number of the inactive SIM is called on a Pixel, the phone WILL NOT RING. An iPhone WILL.

The Pixel phones, none of them, not 2, 2XL, 3 or 3XL can EVER use two SIMs at the same time like an iPhone CAN. An iPhone can have a cellular connection for voice/text on one SIM, while at the same time have a cellular connection for data on the other SIM. A PIXEL PHONE CANNOT DO THIS. THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE!!!!

I dont care what you call any of the technologies involved, an iPhone (or other dual SIM Android phones), and Pixels DO NOT operate in the same manner.

Simply put a Pixel phone with dual SIMs at any given moment is just a single number telephone, regardless if its in a call or not. An iPhone and other Android dual SIM phones, at any given moment, other than being in a call, are two number phones.

Im not sure why you don't understand how they work, well, I do because you don't have either, but I do, as do other who have posted here telling you the same thing. I won't waste any more of my time replying because you've been shown time and again how the Pixels work with regards to other phones, they are clearly different, yet you choose to believe otherwise. You certainly haven't given any proof either anecdotally or otherwise to the contrary. No point in continuing as its no longer a discussion.

Good day.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
From the first paragraph of the article YOU posted about the dual sim from Apple itself.

Both of your phone numbers can make and receive voice calls and send and receive SMS and MMS.2 Your iPhone can use one cellular data network at a time.

How is it you cannot understand this. One at a time not both at the same time. You need to manually switch which number you want to use.

Further down: "When you're on a call, an incoming call on your other phone number will go to voicemail, if you have voicemail set up with your carrier.* However, you won't get a missed-call notification from your secondary number. Call Waiting works for incoming calls on the same phone number. To avoid missing an important call, you can turn on call forwarding and forward all calls from one number to the other. Check with your carrier for availability and to find out if additional fees apply."

How hard is this to comprehend? Both cannot receive an incoming call at the same time. Only one can and you need to specify which it is. The other line is available for other functions but not incoming calls.

Good day to you too. One day you'll realize your mistake and feel foolish. For now I'm done here.

edit: oh oh, I think I now see what you're talking about. You can receive calls on both but once a line is active the other becomes unavailable for calls. Hmm.. and the Pixel can't do that, right? Do you think that's software and will be enabled in the future?

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What I'd really like to see is if they can make a dual active phone with only one radio. That would be great and certainly save on costs. Having both lines available for incoming and outgoing calls at same time. They'll figure it out I think if it's possible. But will the carriers object?

edit: that doesn't even make sense.. forget it. You'd need two radios for both calls simultaneously.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
I stand corrected. You are right. I did a lot of research this morning and Google did indeed pull back on dual sim functionality. The iPhone XS and XR have it as well as other Android devices I'm told. I was mistaking having both lines available to having both lines active at once. Once a call is in progress the second network becomes unavailable but until then they both are. The Pixel 3 cannot do that. So yes, I feel a little foolish for not understanding what you were saying and basically it sucks that the Pixel 3 doesn't have that capability. Sorry.

edit: Hey live and learn. I hate that my wife was right this time too, I'm not always right. And thanks for hanging in there.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
:good: :good:
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Can someone with a Verizon P3 or XL check carrier settings under network settings please? I seem to have different options than I did before the February update. Project Fi is there along with "use a sim" and scan QR code. I'm wondering if Verizon has activated the esim finally. I'm going to bounce over to Reddit to see if anyone is able to use the esim on VZW P3. Something tells me there were major changes with this update. Certainly the update itself was very different with a "pause" in the installation until the phone was idle. That's never happened. Also I've never seen optimizing apps but this discussion might be for a different thread. Nonetheless, if anyone can confirm the esim works that would be great. I'm going to contact VZW later when I'm free to see if I can scan a QR code for another line or even for this one.

Naturally, it will not let me receive calls on both when idle like some other phones I know of. ;)

Edit.. nothing doing yet. Still can't be activated on Fi.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] nashi20002003:
Hello guys....good to see the DSDS confusion was resolved... Just wanted to say I moved on from Google Pixel 3. I was going to pull the trigger and buy the Google version when I can at least have Dual SIM , Non dual stand by... and switch back and forth but they pulled off the $150 off discount they were running on 2/2. Could not justify putting that much money in a phone. I was going to settle with Blackberry Key 2.....But the old fashioned style stopped me from moving forward...Glad I kept searching

for a dual sim Verizon certified Android.....and finally...I came across Oneplus 6T. Nice phone, nice price, nice specs...comparable to Pixel....True DUAL SIM, DUAL Stand by...., Verizon certified and "DSDV" dual volte....(reason is it's cerfified by Verizon...since capable of Volte on both sim at the same time.) Bye bye pixel..... I was going to wait for Pixel lite....thinking they may have enable true DSDS seeing that Apple now have open the doors ....but without even a release date...could not wait.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Looks like a nice phone. They don't make a smaller version do they? I didn't see it on the site. I also don't see that it has an eSim but a dual nano sim slot, which I guess is fine. I'd be curious to see how it handles both sims when on a call. Good luck with your purchase. I'm very disappointed in Google and Verizon for the Pixel 3 / XL fiasco when it comes to eSim technology and overall specs of the device. It just seems like they cut too many corners on these.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/...im-functionality-according-to-an-aosp-commit/

Looks like out of luck this time around.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] hilla_killa:
We may get better dual sim via a software update
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
From your mouth...
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] hilla_killa:
Lol if you say chief, google it and see for your self. It was in the article that talked about pixel 4 dual sim. Check it out, WITH YOUR EYES
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Don't hedge any bets on it. MY EYES.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] hilla_killa:
Your probably right but it sure would be nice to have
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Edit.. app slow tonight. Sorry

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Yeah I think they missed the boat on this. Apple had it in the works they should have known.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] Hammad.901:
makepixel3DsDs!

People why don't we start a hashtag movement to let google know, every Pixel 3 user wants dual sim dual standby on their phones...! #makepixel3DsDs!
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
That's true. To that end I finally gave up on the Verizon model and bought a Google Pixel 3. I'll sell the Verizon one and take a $100 hit but it will be worth it. I'll be able to reduce my monthly by $20 and make it up in 5 months. One of the interesting things is that when I speak with second tier tech support at both Google and Verizon they all really can't believe that Verizon disabled the eSim. I had both Vzw and Google on conference call and Google said they'd swap my Verizon 3 for a Google 3 until I actually received the replacement. It was from the Google store but turned out to be a Vzw device. Only good thing about that is I can now sell it in mint condition and get around 5 bills. Paid 6 for the one coming tomorrow. Oh wait! I can now bl unlock it too right? ;) I don't do that any longer but hey...

Now if they actually make it DSDS with a software update I'll keep it for 2 years. If it only becomes available on the P4 then I'll trade this one in on Black Friday.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] anuraj1:
Supposedly the Android Q preview has enabled Dual SIM Dual Standby on the Pixel 3 and 3 XL:

https://www.xda-developers.com/android-q-dual-sim-dual-standby-support-pixel-3/
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] Jackaroop:
Dual SIM functionality on Q :svetius:

https://www.xda-developers.com/android-q-dual-sim-dual-standby-support-pixel-3/
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] Jackaroop:
Looks like someone beat me to it!
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] suku_patel_22:
Can someone in India, test it with Jio and some other carrier?
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
I noticed the settings last night, however I am unable to activate Fi on my 3XL so I can't confirm it yet. :(

And apparently mine is now a quad SIM LOL.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Did you have Fi on before the update?

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So you updated via OTA without a full wipe? And it just looks like this right out of the gate? Heck, if so I'm ready to update.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
I had the app installed, Fi was not active when I updated. See my edit above, I clearly have some issue/bug that is preventing from being activated. I may clean flash/wipe today to see if it fixes, havent decided yet.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
So if I recall from your earlier posts you have Fi and ATT, right? You also had DSSS activated and working right? Well as it turns out I sold my Verizon model and bought a Google version and have Fi and Verizon working, with Verizon the nano sim and Fi the eSim. So when you updated to Q you had ATT active but Fi on standby and now you can't get Fi active? Did you OTA or manually flash it?
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
Yes. ATT & Fi

Fi service was paused, ATT was active on the phone.

All was working fine in P. I would switch occasionally between ATT & Fi.

I manually flashed the OTA file to get to Q.

I decided to flash the factory images to Q, currently in the process of doing that. I definitely had some strange issue with flashing the OTA update as the device listed 4 SIMs.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Ok, waiting to hear how it went with the factory image. I'm not bl unlocked but I can do that if need be. I also wonder if you had Fi active what would have happened. Too late for that now though.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
OK, so when I first restored the phone on Q, before all apps were installed and updated, it seemed to work. Before apps updated (including Fi) I was able to activate Fi and use it. After they updated, it says it cannot be activated.

The additional settings also were not present under network & internet, there is however a toggle in developer settings to use 'v2' which surfaces the options. After the wipe/install of factory images the settings are correct (I dont have 4 sims now, just the 2 expected).

Since it doesn't seem to be able to activate Fi now however, toggling the preference to use ATT or Fi doesnt work at all, it always just uses ATT. Even if I select 'ask every time' it doesnt ask, just uses ATT.

I dont know if it will be different for others, I havent read anything yet about anyone who actually uses the phone this way other than that twitter post, and thats not really clear if they actually used it and it worked, or just that the new settings/behavior is there.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] y2kbugleung:
Anyone on Q can add an eSIM?

After I click "add carrier", it shows "something went wrong" immediately without allowing me to scan a QR code.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Darn it, that's too bad. I wonder if it's just Fi or the eSim functionality in general. We'll have to see if anyone who has it on TM can get it to work. Banking apps are crashing so I don't think I can install it until that's fixed too.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] donatom3:
I have tmobile e-sim and at&T nano sim and I'm not getting any option to see both networks as active. The functionality is exactly the same as android p for me now.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Do you have the new eSim menu?
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] donatom3:
I don't think so. Do I need to download something? I setup my T-Mobile esim back in December when it still wasn't supported.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Yeah there's a setting somewhere maybe in dev options that will bring up the new menu. If you can't find it I'll look around.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] FrankNS:
Total bull**** and everyone repost it! No dsds on Pixel 3! Adds only the Menu and no dual-sim function!

When Sim is active the esim is inactive.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] donatom3:
I can't find the v2 setting in developer menu. Do you remember the name of the setting?
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] donatom3:
Found it under flags. It was already on. Wonder if I should wipe and try it.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
if you have developer settings enabled, search for 'feature flags'

under that you will find: settings_mobile_network_v2 (should already be enabled)

and

settings_network_and_internet_v2 (should have to be enabled)

the second one should show the new settings in Network & Internet
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] FrankNS:
Dont waste your time! Look at the Screenshots! No dual Signal in Status Bar! No screen with two active sim at the Same time...
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
no?
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] FrankNS:
Nope! Thats only the Menu Icon! Not a Signal Indicator! Look at Status Bar!

I hate every Android News Site repost this bull**** without trying for themself.

Wohooo, got the same Screen...

eSim ist Always inactive when sim is active.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Someone out there has their panties in a bunch ;) Jeez. This is hands above what we had prior. Yes we (you) realized right away it was not fully functional but this is DP1. If it's going to be possible with our current hardware maybe next or following it will be functional. Worst case scenario the P4 will get it. I think it a big step forward. Not as good as your wife's iPhone but hey.. lol.

Do you think our hardware will support it as we stand right now? I can't imagine them teasing us with this and not being able to implement it on the P3s.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
I dont think we'll see dual sim, dual standby on the P3/P3XL, we will always still have to choose the active sim manually. Hopefully though, it will get dual sim dual standby. The commit mentioned HERE offers a glimmer of hope, but I doubt it will come to pass. I hope Im wrong.

Its kind of confusing that they allow you to pick which sim to use for different functions, yet they couldnt work unless the sims were both actively connected, which is why I think new hardware will be required.

Maybe for me the next beta will fix the eSIM activation and I can then see if it will work, but I doubt it.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] donatom3:
The snapdragon 845 has he x20 modem which according to this even does dual sim dual volte. That's a step beyond dsds from what I understand since both sims can receive on lte simultaneously.

https://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/modems/comparison

https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon-845-mobile-platform
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] uicnren:
Because it is capable, doesn't mean its usable.

That's up to the manufacturer to implement, and to this point Google hasn't implemented it.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Have faith! The next beta will fix the DSDS activation on our phones. Well that depends on if they want to make us buy the P4 or we can hang onto the P3 for another year. It's one of the most desired features Pixel owners are asking for. The iPhone had the capability but needed updated software to enable it. I'm hoping for the same scenario. When is the next beta, another month?
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] FrankNS:
P3 has only one IMEI adress... Think about it!
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Does every device that does dsds have multiple IMEI? Why is that necessary considering that is a device identifier? I can flip between networks all I need is both to be active listening. What are you saying or asking?
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] FrankNS:
Why does my iPhone have two different IMEI/MEID?

A: the "Primary" IMEI is the IMEI of the physical SIM slot, and the "Digital SIM IMEI" is for the eSIM. Because the iPhone XR/XS is dual-standby (can be connected to two carriers at the same time), the IMEI can't be the same for two active SIMs.

Thats why it dont work on our P3!