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[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] tienbuiduy:
I can use dual sims right now. thank you for your warnings, I will pay attention to that
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
You could always use 2 sims on the Pixel 3s but you just can't have dual active. It is only single active and you need to switch in software before you can use the second sim. Not awful but certainly not DSDS.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] Suncatcher16:
Am interested if this Pixel dual standby mode (SIM + eSIM) works for foreign sims in USA? Can I download AT&T as eSIM and use it with Spanish Orange SIM in physical slot?
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] jawonder:
Dual SIM: active eSIM &amp; SIM

Using Google Fi on ESim and AT&T on Physical Sim, can easily switch between Sims using FiSwitch widget
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] stealthj:
The whole point of this thread is to research and obtain dual active standby.

Some of you guys are saying "I can switch the sim"

Yes we know that. That is working as intended. We don't need confirmation that it works.

Oh and also, the Apple phones SUPPORT Dual SIM Dual Standby.

Also, Dual active, dual standby, its the same thing. there is no phone that allows you to use two cellular data connections at the same time to 2 different networks as far as I know. One full sim connection, then phone and texting enabled on secondary sim

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[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] jawonder:
Yes i have an iPhone X Max on iOS 12.1 that supports Dual sim, waiting on my carrier AT&T to activate it, they say they will allow support soon . Verizon will activate Dual sim on the iPhone XS, XR and X Max the second week of December . Those are the only iPhones capable of supporting Dual Sim and they have to be on iOS 12.1 .
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] stealthj:
All the carriers are working on supporting eSIM.

Let's hope the pixel 3 can somehow have both the esim and nanosim working at the same time.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Agree but dual active and dual standby are hardware related afaik. Pixel 2 and 3 I believe are dual standby.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] stealthj:
Dual Standby Means the second SIM is active and is on standby waiting to receive calls or messages.

It is the same thing. But for you, it means something different.

What does it mean for you?
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
To me dual standby means you can switch carriers via the settings menu but you can't accept a call on that network until you do that. Dual active means that both networks are active at the same time and you can take calls from either or both at the same time. On dual active you can be on one call from carrier A and accept and incoming call from carrier B and even merge the two calls. You can't do that on dual standby.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] stealthj:
Okay, well that's wrong. You can't just change the meaning of dual standby because you want it to mean something different to you. It's always been recognized in the industry as being the same thing as dual active, so lets not confuse people by making up our own terms.

For reference https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209044

"This uses Dual SIM Dual Standby (DSDS) technology, which means that both SIMs can make and receive calls. If one number is on a call, incoming calls on the other number will go to voicemail."

I hope that clears it up for you
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Don't be so contentious and listen up. You are not critically reading even your own posts. From your link: "Both of your phone numbers can make and receive voice calls and send and receive SMS and MMS.2 Your iPhone can use one cellular data network at a time." Now that you have that straight, read this: https://gadgetguideonline.com/andro...m-android-phones-dual-standby-vs-dual-active/

I hope that clears it up for you.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] stealthj:
I guesw you really have no knowledge or understanding of how these things work.

Dual active does not mean that it can connect to two cellular data networks at the same time. You are so wrong on this subject lol.... And you are comparing what apple wrote on their technical article to some guy that wrote something for some blog called gadget guide?

Now I know where all of the misinformation comes from...

Good luck to you, there is no reason for us to continue talking about this because it is leading nowhere.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] jawonder:
Deleted. Inform from apple was already posted .
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
For the rest of you please understand there is a major difference in dual active and dual standby regardless of what ranting might otherwise say. There are only a few dual active phones on the market the iPhone not being one of them. Dual standby is really good to have and I hope VZW will enable it on the Pixel 3. The 2 has it enabled already. I'm not sure why they chose this path with the 3. But Apple has weighed in as I hoped they would and dual standby will be coming soon.

Here's another article on the difference and there are a bunch of articles for anyone so inclined. From the article below: "Apple didn't come up with a Dual SIM Dual Active solution on the new iPhones but rather supports the humble Dual Standby mode only." Yes, there is a major difference in the technologies.

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Dua...-XS-Max-Verizon-T-Mobile-AT-T-Sprint_id109340
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] andr0077:
Would it be possible at least to have an internet over regular Sim and calls from esim? Or even theoretically it can't work like that?
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Yes it's possible. It will depend on your carrier and whether or not they support it.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] andr0077:
But if I have two carriers? On can give me regular SIM card and another will be eSIM how they will work together? Don't we need to have a two radio for that?
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
If you want both active at the same time then yes you need a dual active phone. This one is not. So although you can use both sims you need to select which one you use for voice and data. It should be easily switchable but that depends on carriers. So if you are using one sim for data, as you would like to do, then the other sim will be inactive and you can't receive a call. I don't think it even goes to voice mail it will just say call cannot go through. To receive calls you'd have to switch active sims. I don't know of any phones in the US that are dual active at this time. With two radios the battery drain would be immense I presume.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] andmilto:
Whats the point in advertising dual sims then? Just got my eSIM, thinking i could use that then put my work sim in my phone, but you can only have 1 active at any one time it seems. crap!
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Well they are easily switchable for one. No need to take one out and put another in. Have patience, the technology is there but the carriers are resisting for now. Also the device would need two radios which is doable but at the price of battery drain.

What do you mean you just got your esim? You can't "get" one, either you have it or you don't.

edit: I just saw that tomorrow (Dec 7) Verzion will be implementing eSim functionality for the XR and the XS with no mention of the Pixel 3s. Lovely. Although with enough complaints perhaps we can get it too. iPhone the elephant in the room has the market share and power to dictate what Verizon does.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] CaesarOnJackson:
On my Pixel 3XL, I have Google Fi on esim and TMobile nano sim for work. So far, it seems like I can get calls from both numbers when my primary carrier is Google Fi. However when I out TMobile as primary, I cannot get any call on my Google Fi number.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
What do you mean you can get calls on both? Please explain.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] brandonpa:
I did have the same setup with fi as esim and tmobile as physical sim. The way that I was able to have both as 'active' was to keep fi selected and use tmobile digits program to text and make calls from my tmobile line. That worked great, but expensive as I pay 70 a month for tmobile unlimited and with fi I was using 15 gigs a month which is another 60 a month, so I ended up getting rid of fi.

Now since I have my tmobile esim working I am trying to get an xfinity mobile sim car activated so I can have Verizon as a backup when I don't have tmobile service available.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] gthing:
That's awesome. This is my situation as well. I want to evaluate the pixel 3 on fi, but I need to keep my t-mobile number and would prefer not to carry two phones all the time. But I'd want to use T-Mobile's data. Is there any way to disable the fi data and have it fall back on the t-mo connection?
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] brandonpa:
I wish that there was but I don't think that would be possible. That would be awesome if we could but that would require both Sims to be active and that just isn't available on this phone.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
That's correct. You'd need a phone with 2 radios and there are very few of them available currently. Battery drain would be huge as well .
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] flasflus:
I've been using the Samsung Galaxy Note 9 for almost two months. It's active! And it's awesome. And the battery drain is less than expected (maybe 10%).

I got a 3XL today and I was shocked when I discovered that it can't receive calls from eSIM and SIM simultaneously.

My 3XL is unlocked and I have set up an eSIM (personal) and a physical SIM (work). But no matter which one is connected, I can't receive calls from the other. There's no Google Fi in Spain, i'm afraid.

What can I do?
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] johnquix:
I had this conversation with Google when the Pixel 3 was released and it took hours but when I finally got them to dig deep enough they said Dual Active wouldn't be supported because they thought it wasn't good for customer experience.....

Was that just customer service going off script and trying to get me off the phone? Probably but either way dual active would literally change everything for me.

Work phone right now is Verizon on a Pixel 2 XL and my personal phone is an old Nexus 6p on Google Fi that is going to die any day now. If I could just combine the two my life would be so much easier.

If anyone has any Dual Active suggestions I'm open to them. Fi is rough in my area so it would be nice to be able to still switch between TMo and Sprint but I think that is going to be completely impossible as of now since that pool is really small and it doesn't seem that any of them are dual active dual sim.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] chompx2:
Your condition is normal. Pixel 3 is not capable of having dual SIM active at the same time. You can either have the ESIM active or the physical SIM active. True dual SIM phones have 2 IMEIs.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
And two radios. I don't think the Note 9 has dual active either, but I could be wrong. I've only seen 5 phones that are dual active and none of them available in the US. That was perhaps a year ago so things might have changed. There are a bunch of dual sim phones including the Pixel 3 line but for now Verizon will not activate the functionality. The Google version can activate dual standby sim on either Project Fi or TMO from what I'm reading. I'm sure at some point that will change but not too many people are clamoring for dual sims so it's not to the carrier's benefit to activate. But remember, there is only one sim active at a time on dual standby. You can switch back and forth but when you do the other sim is inactive and cannot accept phone calls or have both calls at once. I heard it doesn't even accept voicemail when inactive, just says unavailable.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] chompx2:
I have a Samsung Galaxy S8+ Duos SM-G955FD. It is good for travel but it keeps missing calls and calls go directly to voicemail. This happens a lot when I am at home on WIFI. It also does not connect to the internet when I am not connected to WIFI and forgot to turn off the WIFI. These dual SIM phone sourced outside US just have their own set of issues. This is one of the reasons, I purchased a LG G7 from Google and hopped on Google Fi. Google Fi SIM could be used on the S8+ but it still missed calls just like the T-Mobile SIM. Makes sense as the S8+ using either SIM is using T-Mobile network. However, I think the issue is with the S8+.

With LG G7, I no longer missed calls.

I am considering getting an iPhone as it now supports dual SIM function via a SIM and an eSIM. The Hong Kong/China version of the new iPhones actual have provision for 2 physical SIM cards.

If Pixel 3 were a true dual SIM phone, I would have bought it in a heartbeat.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] Beansidhe44:
So I have been researching this issue for a week or so now. I have called Verizon, and Fi about this issue with various phones. Here is what i have found.

-Samsung Note 9 unlocked international version has dual active sim, however since it is not a CDMA device and not registered with (i forget the name of the list) the US IMEI, it can only use LTE bands and will not support WiFi calling on Verizon, however will have full support on the T-Mobile LTE bands and WiFi calling with Google FI. The plus side is that both sims are active concurrently.

-The OnePlus 6T international dual sim (not T-Mobile version it is single sim), (the one i went with) It will function the same as the Samsung.

-The Pixel 3 has several advantages, provided you did not buy it from Verizon (the esim is locked behind the Verizon bootloader). You can use the Esim on Fi (or supported carrier) with full support for all Goolge Fi features including network switching. You can also put any sim in the micro sim slot. Verizon will support wifi calling (not tested but both Fi and Verizon claim it will be) from there sim, however you have to choose which sim you have active. This means everything calls, text, and data.

-Verizon supports iPhone from any source (allegedly) for all features, and the new models have dual sim, I am reading dual active even. The issue's are that Fi wont support them except on T mobile LTE, and of course that it is an iPhone (for those anti apple like me)

I have a thing about having a current handset so I have not researched less known (in the US) or older devices.

hope this was helpful.

Basicly you have to choose the device features you want and sim situation you want, and buy accordingly. The US market is controlled by the carriers and they just do not want dual active sim phones in the US.

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In my experience, many people have a work phone and personal phone and would happily go to carrying a single device for both. The issue is that the carriers make it Difficult at best and thus the less tech geek (as a hobby) the less likely to demand dual sim. I believe that dual active sim will be in the next generation or two of devices as Apple has broken that stigma and responded to an unspoken corporate need for this functionality. However today, if your not an Apple fan, The Pixel 3 line is your best current device for USA supported dual sim. However Samsung already has an international version of the Note 9 that has the ability to turn dual active sim on or off. Also the international OnePlus 6T is dual active sim. Those are both very powerful current handsets that will work on LTE bands with all us carriers, as far as I can see. I recommend checking your carriers bands with the list of supported bands of any device before buying form outside your carriers offerings.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
[MENTION=9700636]Beansidhe44[/MENTION] Nice post, thanks for the info. I thought I read that only the international versions are dual active at this time. As you say, that should change with the next generation of devices, hopefully. One correction, the iPhones are not dual active but dual standby. They are calling it DSDS (dual sim - dual standby) for now.

I call Verizon about once / week to find out when the Pixel 3s will get their esim activated as I have a work phone and home phone ready to be combined as one. Today I was even transferred to a tech by a CSR who mistakenly though I could activate it now. They put the kibosh on that very quickly. He did say we would need a carrier update from VZW and something from Google to make it work and that it will definitely be coming although not committing to when. I pushed a little and asked if it would happen in 6 months and he said yes almost certainly. Then I asked, 1 month maybe? He just laughed. I did too. But the fact that it's in the documentation stage to the CSRs tells me it's coming sooner rather than later.

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If I had gotten the buy one get one BOGO deal on the iPhone XR I would have been hard pressed to stay with Android. I can't unlock or mod the device any longer so why not? The XRs are gorgeous but then so is the Pixel 3. With the iPhone having dual sim standby I could have taken one of my lines off the line fee and saved about $20/month. Over 2 years that might have made the difference but it's too late now and there was no discount on the iPhones for Black Friday. Price diff was 2 devices for $799 or one device for $999. That's huge for me. But in 2 years I'll play this game all over again.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] Michaelep2:
I just activated Fi on my 3XL esim, and have Vzw on the physical sim. I use Google Voice as my primary number for Vzw, and enabled data calling on it, so that if I'm on Fi and somebody calls my cell, it rings, and I can dial out with the Voice dialer from my GV #. It's a workaround, but seems fine. Not sure how long I'll keep Fi, just wanted to try it out.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] sephstyler:
Hey guys, i'm also a P3XL user who wishes we had dual sim natively. This year I am working in SE Asia, away from my home base in Sydney Australia.

On a local Aussie forum (whirlpool), a user has outlined a method to help with the dual sim situation for users in very specific circumstances. I have since adopted this and it has been working fairly well.

Basically, for those of you whom are looking to dual sim ability to aid when roaming, you can consider:

1. Getting skype number - I didn't know what these were until I started doing this. Basically, pay a few $ a month to Skype, for a local land line number in your country / jurisdiction. There's only a handful, again constricting this method for a lot of people.

2. for the number you intend to roam, divert your calls to that local landline number - if you're on a plan with good call inclusions, this shouldn't be adding any cost - check with your carrier.

3. login to skype on any handset where you have data access - e.g. on the local sim whereever you are roaming. your calls come through via skype.

4. Caller ID works for me, as long as I've stored the contact in my phonebook with the country code +xx.

The calls are not HD Voice, or super low latency, but they are good enough to have a condusive conversation and not get frustrated.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] nashi20002003:
A few things about dual sim.

Currently using a Galaxy A8 dual sim. Fox. let's not confuse people.....Most dual SIM phones are Dual Stand by...which is not Dual Active...Dual Active phones would allow people to be on two calls at the same time..

This is not the case for most all dual SIM phones...Samsung, Iphone XR, ....are dual standby meaning you all two number are on standby to receive call but as soon as a call comes in thru one, the other can't receive call (Voice mail picks up) also data on the second SIM is cut off if you chose that second SIM for DATA. To kepp data while on the call you will need to receive the call thru the SIM you chose for Data.....You can mimic DUAL Active from a Dual Standby by using call forwarding. See this article which was already posted..

https://gadgetguideonline.com/andro...m-android-phones-dual-standby-vs-dual-active/

Anyway....PIXEL 3 situation is a little worse but again...I don't like Iphone...so I'm stuck with Samsung...Pixel 3 is not a dua Sim but not dual standby because of a single IMEI. Still better than single SIM since switching network is just a setting toggle.

If you have your number on Google Voice or you're with T-mobile you and can use digits. Then Pixel can become a dual Standby in this narrow case.

Another new factor...is DUAL Standy does not mean DUAL VOL LTE. This DSDV is new for Android phones..

Not sure about iphone dual volte capabilities. But newer chips allow Dual VOLTE. Meaning both SIM would connect to LTE at the same time.

https://www.techmesto.com/dual-sim-with-dual-volte-what-it-is-list-of-supported-phones/

Some phones with the chip capabilities already a firmware update enable Dual VOLTE. Like on Nokia 6.1. This is important with carrier moving on to VOLTE like Verizon. On non dual VoLTE phones you could only choose one of the DATA SIM to be on 4G. The other would drop on 3G then for calls. This may then create an issue with newer networksa using HD voice on VolTE.

Verizon, has specific phone they allow on VOLTE and are no longer activating CDMA. That's where Pixel advantage comes in if you want to have Verizon as one of your carrier. Your Pixel can connect fine.

As already stated, Verizon Pixel 3 is not supporting ESIM. Possibly even the esim chip is not present per Verizon requirement to Google.

So please buy from Google or Fi directly.

Me I'm debating moving from Galaxy A8 dual SIM to Pixel 3. It's a set back on one front.....but since I use Tmobile I can always use digits when using Verizon SIM. But it still gives me the ability to switch to Tmobile when needed with just a setting change. Also I can forward the other number when not available if needed.

Pixel is only my best chance of dual sim with Verizon for non Iphone lovers like me. As stated above other international phones dual sim are not suitable because of the Verizon move to Volte. I think only Blackberry LE is compatible and white-listed. Thus you can use that too. Not sure I really want Blackberry old style. But it's another option.

https://community.verizonwireless.com/docs/DOC-2843
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
[MENTION=2411327]nashi20002003[/MENTION] I'm not 100% on this but I do believe the Verizon version of the Pixel 3s have the esim chip. I can't believe they would make two distinct phones for the 3 and the 3 XL. I've been told (grain of salt) that it's only a matter of a Google update along with a carrier update to activate the esim. We shall see. I expect it within a few months and if not then I will certainly ask for a replacement since the device I have will be considered defective according to the specs laid out by Google. Good, researched post, thanks.
[Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers] nashi20002003:
if I was you I would rma it right now....most places they are saying the chip was renoved.....I don't see that changing even if the chip is there.....Why block it and then suddenly re-enable it...?

Non Verizon pixel can already use Esim on Verizon... In my opinion there's zero chance Verizon wil back down on this. Pixel 2 slipped by but they caught google on this on Pixel 3. Basically people buying from Verizon or Best buy and going and activate the thing on other carriers. And all their LTE phones are not locked.

Carriers....all of them did not want to enable Esim... we have to thank Apple for that.. Apple had to force them to do so and now we can also benefit.