yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] bober10113:
n960n devices have issues with any twrp v3.3.1.x

Not sure if n960f devices has the same issues aswell. But not everyone has noticed these issues. some might have problems and dont realize it because phone boots and thats all they know. but their CSC is empty in system software infomation. some flash roms and scripts fail silently and user is unaware because there is now red writing on the log screen in twrp. again, some gauge the functionality of something just by rom booting...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] johansson:
I ain't got no issues... ??*♂️
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] bober10113:
great to hear
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] johansson:
I suppose one needs to be extra careful when flashing stuff. I was careless, and messed up my note 9, now it's back to normal and that ROM is great (though I wish we could get rid of Bixby entirely..)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] bober10113:
just install bx actions and replace the button function entirely, i use flash light. you can disable the the Bixby apps aswell after using bx action full remaping option using the PC app. then i use titanium backup to "freeze/disable" all offending bixby services and frameowrk.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] johansson:
Did all that :) it's more like... I sust hate knowing I still have that garbage in my phone lol
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] bober10113:
oh lol i understand
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Gandicela:
Create options.prop file and get it physically debloated upon ROM Flash. I am unable to recall when was the last time i had bixby on my Note 9.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] johansson:
Edit: Just tried that, no issues so far..
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] _alexndr:
Thread has been updated

, S3CSI5 DevBase v6.0 (October security patches, changelist 16685647) :cool:

As usual -

you can dirty flash it over previous version

-> DONE, that's all :good: :cool:

Download ROM:

SM-N960F/DS:

(you can find bootloader in my updated repository, but BL update is not mandatory)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] _alexndr:
Please attach here /data/devbase_install.log file created during unsuccessful installation
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] bober10113:
i no longer use twrp 3.3.1.0 too many problems.

if i do try it again i will post logs though. but i was warning user that if they dont know why they have problems that they should considered using geiti94's 3.2.3.0 version and see if it fixes issues with roms or kernels.

regards.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] zukenp:
Call recorder did not work anymore (not just this last one update, before this, couple days too). I installed via MAGISK app and all works fine to the 9.10.,afrer that doesn't record anything..?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] morgej:
Are you using the native call recorder? Which ROM are you running?

FYI, I have been lazy about updating and am still running CSG1 with native call recording working fine.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] zukenp:
Running this one, from this tread, Alexandr..
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] morgej:
I'm not following...what ROM version and what call recorder are you using?

Thx.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] zukenp:
This rom, call recorder skvalex 2.1.0 from magisk..
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] morgej:
I loved skvalex's call recorder, but moved to the native recorder with Android 9.

Did you try the native call recorder on the latest of this ROM?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] TurricanM3:
Is there any possibility to add "recovery" to reboot options? This is the only thing i am missing a bit.

I know there are third party apps but without native os support in reboot menu.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] morgej:
I've been having some odd Bluetooth audio issues lately on a bunch of different headsets where my calls cut in and out when nothing is moving or otherwise changing.

Back in the old days of ROM flashing, I remember having to update my radio's separately from the Android OS.

Is that still a thing? If so, where and how would I find/apply radio's for my SM-N960FD?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Gandicela:
Try Magisk module: libsecure_storage companion for rooted Samsung devices
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] morgej:
Thanks for the recommendation, but I am already running the Magisk module

Plus my problem is not remembering paired devices... My problem is that when on telephone calls, I lose audio for a few seconds at a time fairly regularly

Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] toole:
Thanks Alex!! You're the one!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] phanthanh50:
Hi _alexndr, N960N haved new firmware CSJ1. Can you update rom for N960N? Thanks.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] johansson:
Yes please!!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] _alexndr:
I have found and fixed potential "empty CSC" issue (applies only to N960N). It could occur if initial CSC was other than one of official CSCs (KOO, KTC, LUC, SKC).

Work in progress with N960NKSU3CSJ1 (almost done, uploading). Should work without issues in any case :cool:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] bober10113:
thanks. also alot of people with n960n have changed csc to OXM multi csc or other regions via csc pack. in my case, i always change it to a canadian csc.

but on an other note i did identify problems with certain shell commands with both twrp 3.3.1 in note 9 dev section. still trying to figure out which ones fail.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] _alexndr:
Thread has been updated for N960N (Korean)

, U3CSJ1 (Pie) DevBase v6.0 (October security patches, changelist 17016656) :cool:

As usual -

you can dirty flash it over previous version

-> DONE, that's all :good: :cool:

(you can find bootloader in my updated repository, but BL update is not mandatory)

Download ROM:

SM-N960N (Korean):
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] phanthanh50:
Thanks dev
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] _alexndr:
If you figure it out - please let me know which commands are so dirty :)

I haven't chanded commands in my main script - the potential issue I found was that in case of empty (e.g. formatted) odm partition and a CSC outside official Korean list - my installer has tried to force CSC BTU (while there is no such CSC iside the Korean DevBase ZIP).

I haven't even tried to fix issues with TWRP 3.3.1.x @ N960x because my only physical devices I own are G965F and N950F

Side note: It is really inetersting that issues with "dirty scripts" mentioned in TWRP's thread occur only here (in N960x). There are no problems with my ROM's installer in case of other devices which got TWRP 3.3.1.x oficially
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] bober10113:
i believe the kernel/toolbox used is at fault in someway because its the only thing being changed from original twrp dev tree i believe... which might explain the issues. but this is just a guess. geiti94's is flawless and that at only 2 builds! hes quite the master.( not to say you aren't! ive looked at your install scripts and it is a peice of art!)

edit:

moreover, yarpiins twrp can flash scripts flawlessly just as expected.

https://androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=294117

for me(on korean n960n) the only issue is that odm partition has a problem if i try to restore it from anybackup( 3.2.3x or 3.3.1). its as if the format command in 3.3.1-0 initiated just before the image restore screws up the block size or something. i have explained it here: (and also of course may times in arteush threads)

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=80438267&postcount=299

the result is a slightly smaller odm partition than originaly. so if i fill it up to 99%, twrp 3.2.3-0 can restore it correctly where as in 3.3.1 i get a fork extract error since size was reduced. its a strange issue. and since n960n devices have such a small odm compared to n960f( more or less142 mb in stead of 700mb or something!) . i flash a custom csc with many languages and have to adapt to n960n devices. anyways. now i just removed more languages to compensate for the even smaller odm when using twrp 3.3.1. but still weird how total partition sizes changes...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] TurricanM3:
Use the old TWRP from geiti. The only thing that doesn't work is F2FS.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] bober10113:
pretty sure i figured it out:

the usage of grep "or" " \|" statement is broken

EG: grep 'pattern1\|pattern2' filename

workaround is to use egrep instead:

egrep 'pattern1|pattern2' filename

now for an other problem:

this used to work

find ! -name HWRDB ! -name sipdb -maxdepth 1 -depth -print0 | sed '$d' | xargs -0 rm -r

now i have to find an alternative way to do it

and the fix:

find /data -maxdepth 1 -type d ! -path "/data" ! -path "/data/media" | xargs rm -rf

now i have to check if all this still will works on 3.2.3-0

edit

yup it does
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] johansson:
Thanks a lot!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Baluki2017:
Will this rom work on Note 9 SM-N960F?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Conan179:
Yes!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Baluki2017:
Thanks.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] HorstiG:
November Base ist out.

https://www.sammobile.com/samsung/galaxy-note-9/firmware/SM-N960F/DBT/download/N960FXXS4CSJ1/299894/
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] _alexndr:
Thread has been updated

, S4CSJ1 DevBase v6.0 (November security patches, changelist 16685647) :cool:

As usual -

you can dirty flash it over previous version

-> DONE, that's all :good: :cool:

Download ROM:

SM-N960F/DS:

(you can find bootloader in my updated repository, but BL update is not mandatory)

NOTE:

After updating bootloader to U4/S4 (as in case of N960FXXS4CSJ1) it will not be possible to downgrade it again to any U3/S3/U2/S2/etc version.

Also, although flashing U3/S3 CP is possible after updating it to U4/S4, your phone may not work properly after CP donwgrade anymore (no signal, no IMEI until you return to U4/S4 modem). Personally I don't care about this - IMO we should always use the newest modem available as CP updates brings real improvements like better voice/data connection stability, etc.

For those who have a different opinion on this subject - please use (not documented yet) "skipvc" option in the ZIP file name (means exactly "skip variant check", but for security reasons it also skips CP update), then flash the ROM.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] ACC18:
This is so fast... ???
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Treasarion:
Hey, can i flash this Rom with the Zeuss Kernel on (atm) CSI3 Base ? Or will i run into problems, because it is no CSJ1X Base ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] h0tkey:
I'm using this setup right now, seems to be working just fine.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] johansson:
I second that. Best kernel around.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Garcia123:
Wrong tread
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Abaddon:
Deleted
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] TurricanM3:
Any ideas?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Mohamedkam000:
Try this:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.noxx.apm&hl=de

Root is needed.

Or you can do this semi-complicated thing:

https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=811532
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Abaddon:
Hi, could you do one for Pie too? Or how do you do it? From custom to official showing at the settings. Thank you. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] m. murray:
Finally the only rom I was able to set up google pay. Can you add app lock in advanced features and add secure folder. I was able to flash secure folder from another rom. And any way to change swipe down menu so wifi calling and volte toggle are shown.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] TurricanM3:
Thanks but sadly this doesn't work.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] johansson:
Woot! It seems like we'll the the android 10 beta this week!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] christis:
Indeed there's none better!

Samsung newbie here.

I installed this ROM a couple of days ago, mainly because I'm tired of wiping everything every time I want to update (Yeah I know Titanium etc). What an amazing experience it turned out to be!!

Smooth and hassle-free instalaltion over a recently updated stock Rom (which of course unrooted my phone).

Updated apps, installed some more, managed a working GPay and SPay (through Gear watch), Samsung Health and other banking applications as well, so everything is up and running as smooth as butter.

Love the already included cscfeature mods, and the options.prop trick is just pure gold!

What's left for me now is to work out how to enable two sims + SD card together, and to figure out how to change my csc which defaulted to ITV.

Beer is on its way soon!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] störte:
Thank you for the info. So it is like in the beginning where we needed a special Magisk with this defex Patch
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] TheUndertaker21:
Weird I flashed 5.9

I didn't have any issue.

I dirty flashed from previous versions.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] dr.ketan:
Opt to No Root? that may keep IMEI intact.

If you have boot.img post it here.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] TheUndertaker21:
Nope

I'm rooted with latest magisk

Mobile is working
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] _alexndr:
See attached boot.img - it is pure stock (all necessary patches are performed during install by Magisk)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] _alexndr:
We are talking about U2ARI9 build (which I removed temporarily due to IMEI problem)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] TheUndertaker21:
Oh what?

I'm sorry.

Thought it was the update that you wanted me to try.

Please ignore me.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] dr.ketan:
I can confirm, it's broken. Only possible to fix once samsung release new source for RI* (yet not released as of now)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] joodallah1:
I Lost IMEI and network signal after that I returned to old rom all things is good .
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Moe5508:
I have "kanged" this problem by using the old kernel from ARH6 base, repacked the ARI9 release, flashed, booted and am all good up and running...

But CREDITS really go to [MENTION=9406737]Matrix_Usman[/MENTION] who implemented this old kernel into new base solution in his release...I just tried it here and it's worked!:good:

[IMG="ARI9 base fix"]https://moemalumo.imgur.com/all/[/IMG]
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] chrisaw:
I can confirm this does workaround the issue for me. In short:

- Grab both Zips - old image and new.

- copy boot.img from old zip to new zip

- flash new zip

Alternatively, backup your boot partition, install new zip, restore boot partition.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Matrix_Usman:
thanks for the credits this wasn't going to happen without you also tho
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] _alexndr:
Maybe it "works", but what is the sense of updating to ARI9 with old kernel (with lower changelist)?

Long time ago (note 3 times) I also sometimes used such "mix" (kernel not matched to the base), but my experience was rather bad with it...

I have decided to stick with ARH6 until new defex hexpatch will be known (thread tittle has been changed again to S2ARH6)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] chrisaw:
Agreed - I'm running the previous build too.

Just providing my observations. Though it looks like the device reboots quite frequently with the old kernel + new base so would avoid it if I were you.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] PingPawan:
You are correct.

With restoring ARH6 boot image process, device is rebooting as soon as I open phone app...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Matrix_Usman:
i see basically some changes in base came too iam updating my rom tho with old kernel but yeah this is on you are right but people spam we neeed latest base thats why iam updating
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Matrix_Usman:
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Flash vendor
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] maNiaoH:
[MENTION=5150393]_alexndr[/MENTION] I can't change font after flash custom font file. not support for change custom font?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] NikLeb18:
...

Hi ... Thank you for your work ... Tell me please ... I have a watch after every reboot ... Samsung watch ... Can I fix this? ... ? ...

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Hi ... Thank you for your work ... Tell me please ... I have a watch after every reboot ... Samsung watch ... Can I fix this? ... ? ...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] PingPawan:
Use substratum font. That works great. I am using wings for substratum.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] johansson:
I can't help for the two sims + sd card but for your CSC, Phone INFO is your friend.

I did it. Worked flawlessly.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] christis:
Thanks. Will check it out. Does it format the phone?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] johansson:
I think it does. You're better off doing a fresh install no matter what anyway
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] christis:
Indeed the app itself warns about that, before the csc change. Well, I will do it when I will have the time to go through that hassle. Thanks again
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] xiotech:
Dear Alex,

When is android 10 update is coming out ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] zybtron:
fantastic rom - smooth, using it for the last few days.

how is the standby drain or over night drain.

I seem to lose around 1.5% to 2% per hour only on standby

I lost 12% from 11 PM to 7 AM

Note 9 Exynos 512GB (3 Weeks old new device) - Dual SIM Standby

Signal reception is medium

Debloated - AOD Off

Is there something I can do resolve.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] bober10113:
id tend to ask my self how many apps do i have running in the background. and wich are they. some apps are just there to call home a run as much as they can and send back data.(specially social media apps and other "free" apps)

a good baseline would be to wipe and run only with stock apps for a day or two and see if your standby drain is still the same. if its no longer an issue, install apps one by one and see wich one is responsible.

you can also use always sleeping option(device care) on apps and ore go to dev options and backgroud check and remove 3rd party apps.

also in dev options is memory/memory usage.

u can see what's running and it might help pinpoint the culprit(s). also close all recent apps b4 goung there to see wich are persistent and are probably the cause of your drain.

edit

also why would you debload always on display? cant you just not enable it? some system apps when removed can cause system to drain as it call functions that no loger exist since it was forcefully removed. so id also try not debloating system stuff and see if it helps.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] zybtron:
thanks a lot for replying

No Social Media apps whatsapp and skype

I ll try wipe and run stock apps.. hope that will find the issue

I just disabled AOD, understood, i ll not debloat system apps
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] BraveNTD:
N960N, just one problem. My Gear Sport can't connect automatically after my phone reboot. I have to pair it again. : )
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Conan179:
[MENTION=8801610]BraveNTD[/MENTION]

Install the magisk modul:

lib secure storage companion for rooted samsung devices
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] hcs24:
Doubt

Can i flash this n960f rom on the n960n device?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Conan179:
[MENTION=10341095]hcs24[/MENTION]

No! you muss flashed the n960n rom version from devbase.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] _alexndr:
Thread has been updated

, S4CSK2 DevBase v6.0 (December security patches, changelist 16685647) :cool:

As usual -

you can dirty flash it over previous version

-> DONE, that's all :good: :cool:

Download ROM:

SM-N960F/DS:

(you can find bootloader in my updated repository, but BL update is not mandatory)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] HorstiG:
Thank you very much [MENTION=5150393]_alexndr[/MENTION]
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] ACC18:
The best as always ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] 0091995:
how to use 2 sim and listen to fm radio ??
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] BraveNTD:
Do you have plan to make oneui2.0 beta rom for note9 ? T.T

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@Conan179

Thank you very much. It works : )
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] johansson:
Maybe chill until we first get a stable rom from Samsung..?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Adrixan:
Hi,

I have this strange behavior since the previous CSJ update and also with the most recent CSK update. My settings app shows some strings wrong as shown in the screenshot attached and also my phone app doesn't open properly anymore as in I see the tabs in thr middle but it doesn't show the dialpad or anything.

I thought it might have to do with changing the locale to ATO but also switching i. e. to BTU didn't change it back.

I also tried wiping the data of the dialer and settings app which didn't help any.

Does anyone have any idea of what might be causing this?

Thanks for any help!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] mohzine:
Hello

I use this rom and I am very happy.

However, I would like to use the secure folder function.

It looks like it works by flashing the TPG kernel.

My question is: can I flash this kernel when I use this rom in encrypted mode? No risk of brick? Thank you for your answers
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Exynos) ROMs, Kernels, Reco] Gandicela:
I tried all N906F compatible kernels here and i miserably failed, so i have since stayed with stock. My conclusion for this is because of encryption, either i force encrypt or encrypt after everything's been setup.