yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[ZTE Nubia Z17  Themes, Apps, and Mods] Falken3:
Awesome work, thank you

Flashed on my z17 with twrp and it's perfectly working. How can I do the same with z17 apk?
[ZTE Nubia Z17  Themes, Apps, and Mods] Spencer_D:
Why do you need a stock one? It has less features.
[ZTE Nubia Z17  Themes, Apps, and Mods] Falken3:
Just in case, to have it ready for other ROMs like lineage

But this one seems to work even better than the original one for z17
[ZTE Nubia Z17  Themes, Apps, and Mods] MrBlubke:
Yes lineageos os included Snapcam which currently is my favourite cam app. Snapcam is for Snapdragon devices like ours, so it's actually tailored for our hardware.
[ZTE Nubia Z17  Themes, Apps, and Mods] MrBlubke:
Btw this doesn't seem to be working on mk9

Any suggestions how to get 22mp on mokee 9?
[ZTE Nubia Z17  Themes, Apps, and Mods] Spencer_D:
I can't get it work on mokee 9. Too many errors. Use gcam.
[ZTE Nubia Z17  Themes, Apps, and Mods] bekent:
Not work on LineageOS 17.1 andorid 10, Any solution ?
[ZTE Nubia Z17  Themes, Apps, and Mods] Spencer_D:
I tried but nothing.
[ZTE Nubia Z17  Themes, Apps, and Mods] HansWorst7:
Hi, thank you. If I flash the zip via TWRP, I don't get any new app installed on my device. Flash was successful.

Using Bliss GSI, Android 10 with 6.28 kernel. Any idea?
[Huawei P10 Lite Questions & Answers] ExTile2:
So I've picked up my bricked p10 lite for another battle after about 3 months of recovering after the last battle.

Status: When not connected to anything trying to boot up it shows a red lightning bolt with a circle around it and the LED blinks 3 times like if the battery was drained. Even though it was charging whole last night.

When connected to a PC

It first shows the lightning bolt mentioned above then Huawei Logo and after it, it boots into Error mode (attached Image)

Recovery doesn't work. Flashes the red Lightning bolt Then error mode

Can't boot into fastboot.

It isn't detected in adb (obviously) nor is it in fastboot cmd says (waiting for device)

If I put a SD card into it and create a folder called dload and put an update.app into it is there a chance it will fix it?

Please suggest anything. (But dc unlocker (doesn't work))
[Palm Treo 750] Da_nao_yan:
I bought a german edition, its 'y' and 'z' are opposite, I tried to fix the system reg, but it didn't work. Does anyone know how to fix it, or some software can solve this problem?

By the way, someone told me pqzII can solve this, but I don't know how to use it.

Pls help, thanks...:)
[General Questions and Answers] Kantilo:
Hello,

I wanted to buy a One Plus 6, to install a custom Roma, but I had several questions:

If for example I have an old phone, and I install a custom rom recent, it will upgrade the kernel?

Do you install non-official custom ROMs?

Do you install Gapps? (If I just want to play store I can get the apk play store, or there are frameworks?)
[General Questions and Answers] Ibuprophen:
I don't have this device but, the following area of the forum is specific to this device.

https://xdaforums.com/oneplus-6

With that guidance...

The following thread should be helpful for what you are looking for that's specific to your device. Don't be afraid to ask for some member guidance within it too.

https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3792643

Good Luck!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

UNLESS asked to do so, PLEASE don't PM me regarding support. Sent using The ClaRetoX Forum App on my SM-G900V device.
[General Questions and Answers] Kantilo:
Thank you for the help i will post in this links !
[Samsung Galaxy J7 NXT ( J701F Core NXT Exynos 7870] khursheed12345:
samsung j701f after update 8.1.0 touchh not work

i update j701f to oreo 8.1.0 in binary u6 but apter update touchh not working bifore update touchh work

note :my combo (folder) is copy not orginal

im am try to combithion and try to downgrade but not success

anyone have any solution
[Samsung Galaxy J7 NXT ( J701F Core NXT Exynos 7870] Jbgamer04:
Downgrade is impossible
[Samsung Galaxy J7 NXT ( J701F Core NXT Exynos 7870] Sanjh Phoenix:
what is the solution?
[Samsung Galaxy J7 NXT ( J701F Core NXT Exynos 7870] KiranC11:
Even i had the same problem so i used Odin3 and downloaded nougat firmwares and when i tried installing them through Odin3 i found a fail icon and in my Mobile phone(in Download Mode) it was written something as " Kernel Rev Device 2 Binary 0" I downloaded about 3 firmwares which were nougat version but still same error Please Help me
[Samsung Galaxy J7 NXT ( J701F Core NXT Exynos 7870] qounik:
Your touch screen has been changed or Moded so sam doesn't recognized, Mine J7-16 had same probs after upgrading to 7, i fixed it with a random experiment. But lucky you, there is a modded Boot.img for NXT which you can use.. I wished someone made one for J7-16

P.S. Flash TWRP then decrypt internal and flash boot. Possible can work (IAM NOT Responsible for anything happening to your device)
[Xiaomi Mi A2 Lite Questions & Answers] ncar123:
Can it be done and work properly?
[Huawei Mate 10  Questions & Answers] okizen:
Does anyone know how to turn off autofocus on the Mate 10?

TIA
[Huawei Mate 10  Questions & Answers] elgringoloco77:
You need to be on professional mode for manually set the focus just slide up the bar on top the trigger button
[Huawei Mate 10  Questions & Answers] okizen:
Thanks elgringoloco77.
[Nokia 1 Questions & Answers] mattwhite7102:
hi, im trying to fastboot boot twrp onto my phone but my PC wont detect my phone in fastboot i type in "fastboot devices" and nothing pops up in my CMD prompt, any work arounds?
[Nokia 1 Questions & Answers] mattwhite7102:
SOLVED!

had to download the platform tools from the Android developers website for it to work
[General Questions and Answers] thbrown:
Would anyone know if the effect of *77 being used is that the caller experiences reaching a disconnected number. Or what do they usually experience.

In web searching possible codes I may have used, I came across the *77 code to reject anonymous callers. The *87 would be to unreject such a setting. Is there a method to check the current setting of either on or off somehow.

I am unable to test the specific phones getting the message of reaching a disconnected number. I will however have better access to one of the phones in three weeks time to see if *87 fixes my troubles.
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] Fersho:
PixelExperience P GSI

An AOSP based ROM, with gapps included, and all Pixel stuffs (launcher, wallpapers, icons, fonts, bootanimation).

Based on Android 9.0​

PLS DON'T FLASH GAPPS, ALREADY INCLUDED

Warning

You'll most probably loose ALL your data, and might break your phone. Please use with extreme caution!

This ROM is not mine, I gave the credits to the autors, I'm just explaining how to install on Moto E5!!

Maybe you're wondering, what's GSI?

Basically it's the system image, you install it on a previous ROM already installed, like LOS 15.1 for us in this case, that means that it can't be installed using stock ROM, you need to install LOS 15.1 previously:

[James] https://xdaforums.com/moto-e5/development/rom-unofficial-lineage-os-15-1-moto-e5-t3818732

[Nora] https://xdaforums.com/moto-e5/development/rom-unofficial-lineage-os-15-1-moto-e5-t3834788

How to install

Go to the explanation of TWRP: https://www.xda-developers.com/flash-generic-system-image-project-treble-device/

What's working

Camera but a little bit darker (use open camera instead)

Torch

Data

Wi-Fi

Bluetooth

Fingerprint

Rotation

GPS

MTP

SD as Internal Storage

What doesn't work:

- Hotspot

- Graphic Glitches and Lag Fix: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hmdrznl7ajicu1b/PixelExp-lag-fix.zip?dl=0

- voLTE (not tested but I guess that is not working)

Here's a video showing that the ROM is working on XT1944-4 (Nora): https://youtu.be/sgS1nKQ3-p0

About performance even using lag fix is not as good as it should be, Is not full optimized yet, I would rate it with 8.5/10

Warning (II)

Someone reports that on E5 Play (XT1921-1) WiFi is not working, wipe Dalvik/ART in TWRP it could fix that, also it seems that keyboard it glitchy

I'm not the maintainer of this ROM, so don't report bugs here, the original thread is here: https://xdaforums.com/project-treble/trebleenabled-device-development/9-0-pixelexperience-p-t3833294

This ROM was tested on Moto E5 XT1944-2/4 Nora, but it should work on James and Rhannah

You can skip setup wizard in order to prevent the messages of uncertified device, then you can try to access to google account and then register the phone, if you try to access to Google on the first boot, you won't be able to continue, it depends on how much lucky you are, keep in mind this advertisement

ROM: https://github.com/EnesSastim/Downloads/releases

To root this ROM just install Magisk Manager, then reboot to recovery and flash Magisk v17.1

Android OS version: 9.0.0_r8

Security patch level: September

Source code: https://github.com/PixelExperience-P

ROM Developer: [MENTION=6519039]jhenrique09[/MENTION]

Special thanks to [MENTION=1915408]phhusson[/MENTION] for sources, etc

Special thanks to [MENTION=7730768]EnesSastim[/MENTION] for providing Pixel Experiencie
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] Deivid_21:
Works on Moto E5 Plus (hannah)?
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] Fersho:
You should try, it is supposed to work on all variants because of Treble support, make a backup or take the stock ROM from your variant in case of something goes wrong
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] Deivid_21:
Ok bro, thanks :good:

Good work :)

PD: The codename for Moto E5 Plus is hannah, not Rhannah :)
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] Anthero:
Did you test?
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] wihzard:
Wow! I'm gonna try this out for sure! Been waiting for either HavocOS rom or Pixel Experience to come out. Will this work with fastboot booting into twrp instead of flashing it?

I have the Boost Mobile E5 Plus (XT1924-8) which has 3GB ram, 32GB rom, and the octacore 1.4Ghz snapdragon 435.
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] smeogle:
Wifi is not working, keyboard is glitchy, a popup appears for a fraction of a second before disappearing (all of this for 1921-1)
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] Deivid_21:
For the moment, nope.
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] Fersho:
In my case I've tried HavocOs but it doesn't boot and is outdated compared to Pixel/AOSP
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] Fersho:
Wipe Dalvik/ART and cache it maybe would fix that issue, I read that solution for LOS 15.1 and it maybe work for Wi-fi
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] Fersho:
Yes, here in XT1944-2 we need to boot into TWRP with fastboot, so that's the way that it will work
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] Fersho:
[YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE]

Thanks, I had seen the codename as Rhannah that's why I wrote it, thanks for the explanation
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] smeogle:
That seemed to do the trick. Thanks!

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Enabling Force GPU rendering in the developer options seemed to remove some of the flickering issues. Others still persist.
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] Fersho:
Glad to hear that it worked, yeah I know that but unfortunately I don't know if it a issue from the kernel, or because some missing graphics drivers, I tried to fix that but without success, we need to wait until the ROM is updated because as I said I'm not the device, I just provide a way to install on Moto E5 and the fix for lag, of course I will look for something else
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] SeerePetrova:
keep us updated, thanks...
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] jdogrambo:
XT1921-1 xfinity mobile i ahve no data and how do i by pass setup

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how long does the checking info part take towards the end of setup i cant seem to get past it
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] kanaan360:
yo my sound is distorted and i can't find my soundfx file, its not in vendor, could someone pull the file for me so i can adb push it?

Update some audio such as from Google play music is fine but from YouTube, YouTube music, Pandora, and system sounds are all crackly and semi distorted
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] Fersho:
Is not a file, is a folder, then you don't need that one, the key is to erase that folder to fix distortion
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] kanaan360:
I fixed it it had turned out that I had not Flashed the modified fstab from cody
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] FrancoCarp:
Is there a telegram group?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Questions & Answers] omer919:
Hello guys,

I have a lot of problems with my cust partition and as moving the files from the cust partition to another phone works, I need the files of the cust partition from someone on any global MIUI 9 based on android 8.1.0 (REDMI NOTE 5 PRO / 5 GLOBAL)

Please upload it to something and share it

It will save my device and fix the problems

Guide:

1. Boot to twrp

2. go to the file explorer of twrp

3. go to the root of the device

4. go to the cust folder and copy everything from there to your internal storage and move it to your PC via MTP

5. add the files to a zip file and upload it

Thanks and have a good day!
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Questions & Answers] devcon69:
Just flash cust.img via fastboot. You can get it on any fastboot rom
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Questions & Answers] omer919:
I need this for another phone, so unfortunately I cant do that :(
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Questions & Answers] Flawn:
Hey Guys,

I don't know if it's a problem of mine, but i am currently on xiaomi.eu MIUI 10 stable with magisk and sometimes the systemui lags stutters like isn't fluid. For example if I open the reboot menu it stutters and the complete animation looks bad and also when going in recents it lags sometimes. Am I the only one which experiences this? And how to fix this? Thanks
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Questions & Answers] thiagoserrao:
I'm MIUI 10 8.1 china, and i got some lags too, sometimes the smart lag so much, that i have to format... I don't know why >_>. And the system is using 3gb or RAM... with my Oneplus 5, the system usually take only 2,5gb, i don't know why the MIUI is eating such a huge amount of Ram x_x
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Questions & Answers] _katho_:
RAM should be used, unused RAM is useless. No lag here currently on xiaomi.eu 8.8.30.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Questions & Answers] thiagoserrao:
That's for sure, like chrome eating 46% of ram... LOL, your cellphone have ram but this not mean the system need take half of the ram, if this is happen, something if very wrong with the management of ram.... omg...
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Questions & Answers] anonyxr:
What version of eu ROM are you using? My system is also suffering from lags too just like yours but I am using Global Beta 8.9.7. Opening Google Playstore also usually will take time. From my analysis, Global Beta 8.8.30 is the best. Didn't feel any lags and the experience is smoother and faster.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Questions & Answers] Flawn:
I am not anymore in Beta i am right now on MIUI 10.00 I switched because I didn't want to have alreaey Android P when the Android O Kernel was released
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Questions & Answers] Flawn:
But my lags are not so long they are like just at the UI Animations the rest is super Speedy i dont know why
[Android General] Rrrr:
How can I reset/fix my voice destination feature?

1. In the Google Maps "Search here" box, I click on the mic icon:

a. "Try saying something" box pops up with a mic in a green circle;

b. Another box below shows "Your audio will be sent to Google to provide speech recognition service ...etc ..saving audio to..."

2. I say something and the green circle moves with my voice indicating its recording and "Tap to speak"box pops up with a mic in a white circle that turns green when mic is pressed;

3. I say something and the green circle moves with my voice indicating its recording and "Tap to speak"box pops up with a mic in a white circle etc....

Note 1

This issue is the same on both phones where I signed in with the same google account:

1. Samsung S8+

2. Another phone Samsung S5 with LineageOS 15.1 (Android 8.1.0)

The 2nd phone was completely reset and worked properly until settings were restored from the same gmail account as phone 1.

Note 2

When I sign in with a different Google account on a different S5 (same OS), voice destination input works.

All voice input, language settings are the same across all devices.

Note 3

The mic works on all phones. When I click in "Search here" and then click the Gboard mic icon, then the voice search works.

Note 4

Voice destination input in the WAZE navigation app results in the same Tap to speak loop

Note 5

I tried following the suggestions in below links, but they are outdated and did not resolve my issue.

https://productforums.google.com/d/msg/maps/q8OQTYWhuLs/ZiFFChXuDQAJ

https://support.google.com/maps/forum/AAAAQuUrST8fogsYvYEGlw?hl=en
[Touch Cruise ROM Development] gusnor:
Sorry if this is a stupid question,

is it possible to boot off a MicroSD card (like the POLAIMG.nbh method), in order to Hard-SPL ?

thanks.
[Touch Cruise ROM Development] Olioaglio:
To solve such problem?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=384150

I wonder if it would be possible to install the HardSPL directly

from Bootloader instead of an ActiveSync connection :confused:

Olioaglio
[Touch Cruise ROM Development] gusnor:
Thanks for the reply, i dont have a bricked device so no problem really.

I'm just keen to be able to flash my cooked ROM onto a brand new device without my PC. i.e. just 1 or 2 MicroSD cards.

I know i can use bootloader mode to flash a rom using the filename POLAIMG.nbh, but that is assuming the device is already HardSPL'd.

So i was wondering if anyone has a POLAIMG.nbh file which can be used in bootloader mode to remove SPL ? without Activesync.

thanks.

Gus
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] peter41:
Hello

For example when I install kik messenger it creates empty folder "kik" for downloads etc. on emulated\o\

I want to change folder name kik in something else.Not within file browser because it makes just a

kik folder again.

It has to be done within the apk file. Can it be done with apk editor pro?

Thanks
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] waseryeas:
Maybe you can try it , but we don't think it will do much for you,because my brother did ,
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] peter41:
I don`t know where or wich folder inside the apk I have to search.

And don`t know which string to search for.

create folder or something?
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] Nico3d3:
Don't want to root your phone but you still want to tweak it? No trouble, you can still use adb shell to change a few settings.

-First, follow this guide to install ADB on your Windows PC: https://www.xda-developers.com/install-adb-windows-macos-linux/

-Then, you have to plug your phone to your PC with a USB cable.

-Finally, launch a command line and use this command:

adb shell settings put secure sysui_qs_tiles "Wifi,SoundMode,Bluetooth,RotationLock,Flashlight,Dnd,custom(com.android.settings/com.samsung.android.settings.qstile.PowerSavingTile),BlueLightFilter,Location,custom(com.samsung.android.app.aodservice/.settings.AODTileService),custom(com.samsung.android.smartmirroring/.tile.SmartMirroringTile),AirplaneMode,custom(com.sec.android.app.soundalive/.DolbyTile),WorkMode,MobileData,Hotspot"

We also may have a way to enable Call Recorder on our phone with ADB Shell but, I'm still trying to figure out how it could be done.
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] 587.saboor:
This is great for a530w users cuz those icons are missing, thanks for sharing!

Even though i already found my own way with my systemui mod :P

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FOR FREEDOM MOBILE USERS AND OTHER CARRIERS THAT SUPPORT VOLTE

DO THIS AND EVEN VOLTE TOGGLE WILL SHOW

adb shell settings put secure sysui_qs_tiles "Wifi,SoundMode,Bluetooth,RotationLock,Flashlight,Dnd,custom(com.android.settings/com.samsung.android.settings.qstile.PowerSavingTile),BlueLightFilter,Location,custom(com.samsung.android.app.aodservice/.settings.AODTileService),custom(com.samsung.android.smartmirroring/.tile.SmartMirroringTile),AirplaneMode,custom(com.sec.android.app.soundalive/.DolbyTile),WorkMode,MobileData,Hotspot,VoLte"

thank me later
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] KAPABLE-K:
[/COLOR]I have the A530W from Fido, I tried and got this error

/system/bin/sh: syntax error: '(' unexpected
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] BlackMesa123:
You probably forgot a quotation mark. Please check cmd has been wrote correctly.
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] KAPABLE-K:
I figured it out, I had to do "adb shell" first then send the command and everything worked.
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] Hovo01:
Can i use it in a530f
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] 587.saboor:
yes
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] Hovo01:
I will not lost my warranty yes?

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Thanks do you have other tweaks with adb
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] 587.saboor:
you will not lose your warranty

no
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] Robert978:
ad@macbookgd:~/Downloads/platform-tools-2$ sudo ./adb shell

jackpotlte:/ $ settings put secure sysui_qs_tiles "Wifi,SoundMode,Bluetooth,RotationLock,Flashlight, Dnd,custom(com.android.settings/com.samsung.android.settings.qstile.PowerSavingTil e),BlueLightFilter,Locati>

),custom(com.samsung.android.smartmirroring/.tile.SmartMirroringTile),AirplaneMode,custom(com.sec.android.app.soundalive/.DolbyTile),WorkMode,MobileData,Hotspot" <

jackpotlte:/ $

What can I expect here? I see nothing happen ... mac os as you can see
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] BlackMesa123:
There is no output with that cmd. To see if it worked, check if you can now see the new toggles in Quick Panel.
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] supertac:
looking forward to that native call recorder...

can we enable fm radio app with this if it isn't there?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Langley24:
I'm considering buying the Note 9.

I am gonna use it for mobile journalism - recording video, audio and edit it on the phone.

Is it true that samsung has a 5 minute limit for 4k-video? If so, are there a way to bypass that?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] raul6:
10 minutes limit
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Conito11:
I have 5 minutes limit............... also want to skip that
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Tidbits:
4K (60fps) 5 minutes

4k (30fps) 10 minutes
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] N1NJATH3ORY:
i belive open camera app, does not limit 4k to 10 mins. it's limtless https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.opencamera&hl=en_GB But i could be wrong as i havent tested it!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Langley24:
Can anyone confirm this?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Limeybastard:
Just to add , the 1080p 60 is also limited to 10mins.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Langley24:
Does the phone stop recording entirely, or does it keep recording and creates a New file?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Limeybastard:
Good question, I don't know .
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] strikeIII:
It will stop recording. The limits are to prevent over heating.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Langley24:
Di you know if you are able to bypass the limit with Open Camera?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] strikeIII:
Sorry haven't tried open camera. You might as well just give it a try.