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[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Robert-:
You are but you cant see them.

After playing CSGO at a low latency(+400fps) and doing many things like that (my home monitor has 240Hz) I can see the lag. My friend does not feel it but I do (and I read some people here did notice the lags too).

Take your phone, look at the screen (concentrate on it) and do something over and over again (like going into the messages app and back). You will see that there are slight lags (duration is between 50-100ms).

Nothing is wrong with my or my friends phone :) Something is wrong with xiaomis ****ty software.

edit: just installed AOSIP Pie and it feels way better than Miui and any other ROM. Might be placebo and my brain being done with the phone.

I will just sell it. I will never ever buy xiaomi again. My nexus 5 feels smoother than this garbage.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Islam Looca:
+1

Some people says that treble pie gsi is smoother than any other rom, but didn't test it for now

---------- Post added at 12:47 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:41 AM ----------

Btw some people goes to changing kernels and oc, and i tried that also but didn't notice that difference i was looking for also this isn't a reliable solution in a long term
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] milro1970:
Well, I would take your word for that but maybe after all there is something you could use to check the issue and perhaps quantify it.

So, If you enable the Developer Options on your phone, you may run the kind of tests you are describing after you select: On Screen as bars, under Profile GPU Rendering in Developer Options.

Long bars above the base line indicate, I think, lag and micro-stutters. If you pinpoint how your lags correlate with the bars you see on your mobile screen, you can take some screenshots (or even a video) and show us what you mean.

Then we could run, more or less, the same tests on our phones and see if there is a difference or not. In the end we may be able to understand the situation better.

Who knows, perhaps you could be on something, the rest of us haven't noticed....
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Islam Looca:
On bootleggers 2.3
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Zanr Zij:
If you just install Rom and some small apps, Nexus 5 will give you better feeling but with full apps and need battery life, it will be different story
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] lawong:
i dont have any issue with the performance of this phone ,its better than my unrootable mate 8/9 , but the build quality and hardware totally sucks , theres ghost image everywhere, and the screen looks so ugly now because of screen retention issue .
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Incogn:
Buy phone for 140$ dollars, then cry that its not as smooth as his 140hz monitor. Lmao, trully. Phone is great, it doesnt lag, every reviewer will say the same, and believe me, they have more expirience with phones than you do. Ofcourse, i dont think that its smoother than say iphone for 1000$, but its a god damm 140 dollars device. Ive been on xda many years, and noticed that the cheaper the phone is, the ****tier the forum is. Please, by all means, show me a smoother/better device for for this price, then i can atleast take this rant seriously, because as of now, you just talk nonsense.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] drmuruga:
You need SoC more than 800 processor phone. Never buy less than that. That is downgrade for you , so you will have some lags. For most people having this phone is better than redmi note 3 or 4x which they already got . So we enjoy this good phone for this prize .
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] RaiderWill:
Not Good..

Just Exactly Are You Trying To Accomplish?... :cool:

You are a SENIOR MEMBER.. with over 370 posts..

And you come here and present yourself as a *TROLL*.

With this much time spent here at XDA.. you should be conducting yourself in a much more mature manner.

If this device does not work for you, fair enough.. follow your Own Advice.. and simply sell it.

It's as though you are here looking for some sort of approval.. or, are trying to convince others to sell their Note 5 Pros.

You Are Only Complaining To Yourself... And you are inviting conforntation with other members.

Please.. Keep Your Complaints and Dissapointments of the Note 5 Pro to yourself.. and just move on. :angel:
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Robert-:
Dude, I compared it with my OLD NEXUS 5 and my ****ing GALAXY J5, phones with bad processors. Im NOT CRYING that my cheap phone is bad, im crying that xiaomi is doing something wrong.

Same. Also bad signal.

Finaly someone sees the problem..holy ****..

Your post doesnt make sense either buddy. Are you here just to cry about me crying about the phone? What am I trying to accomplish:? Its simple: im trying to look for an answear and also maybe some help.

for everyone that is crying:

1) Im comparing the 140$ to a 30$ nexus 5 with a 32Bit snapdragon 800. The problem is not the phone or price, its the laggy experience. Its a little bit hard to see but after you see it you cant unsee. There was a guy in the pixel experience extended who started crying that his phone is lagging now and it wasnt before (using miui and other roms). His phone is fine, its just the fact that he saw the lag.

2) Stop crying about **** like „REVIEWERS SAID THE PHONE IS FAST!!! BEST PHONE FOR 140$!!!!!!”. I couldnt care less about what random paid reviewers said about a phone.

3) I just tested a Nokia with a snap 636 and a Zenfone 5. Both of them were way smoother, it felt a lot better than this garbage.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Incogn:
Well just shows how little you know about phones, if compared to nexus 5, redmi note 5 is **** for you. Because it just happens that i also posses nexus 5, and that device is piece of ****. Horrible camera, even more horrid battery, cheap plastic build. Come on.. You are bashing this phone because damn animations arent smooth enough for you, LMAO. Im not even gonna keep arguing, because its useless and not even funny anymore. Then sell the device and enjoy your nexus 5. Oh, and you probably are more qualified and proffesional than the rest of whole fu***** world, because every reviewer praise this phone, and it just happens to be best selling device of low/mid range.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] lukesan:
Wow, what's this XDA?

Simple as that, if you are not satisfied, sell the phone. I have a S7 here next to me and my redmi note 5 global is as good or in some points better than the S7. I've had every S1 to S7, except the S4. I had a Nexus 5, Oneplus One etc. etc Ok I don't play games on it, but camera and batt wise I am more than triple satisfied over the S7.

The redmi note has micro stutters, guess what. the S7 is sometimes worse.

Just sell it, it's not worth arguing with people. If this is your last Xiaomi, then yes so be it. The Oneplus One was my first and my last Oneplus, it was a fantastic phone which I personally recommended to a lot of people but someone I recommended one to got absolute **** after service and I refuse to buy another one because of this.

If other people are satisfied then let them be satisfied, you don't have to be.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Robert-:
Someone with a working brain. I made the thread asking for help, not for idi.. to tell me that i have a problem with my device or anything like that.

I just asked if anyone is experiencing this (and yes, someone people has ).

I didnt start the thread to fight with randoms on the internet. Its like I attacked their family and they have to protect it..

I am just asking for some help. Maybe a proper ROM, kernel, anything that would make my experience better. What did I get? Randoms from india crying that this is the best device and a guy talking about battery and camera while my problem was user experience.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] rocker00:
I will just share my experience regarding this, I agree about the part of speed but there are a few points here, For example when we talk about Nexus 5 as the OP mentioned you must keep in mind that you’re talking about pure android system, no extra modifications, no custom UI, no custom apps…etc and that makes a huge difference when it comes to speed that’s for sure, in the case of nexus 5 and the similar phones which come with stock android (from the manufactures) the ROM is bug free or with the minimal bugs, on the other side the ROMs which have their own UI like Xaiomi, Sony, HTC…etc, no doubt it won’t be smooth as the pure android due to the UI modifications and the custom apps, you can easily flash a custom ROM to enjoy the speed but what about stability and the features that you will lose? I will talk about my previous device which was Sony Xperia Z2, I flashed all the custom ROMs which were available, much more speedy than the stock ROM but here are SOME of the issues I had, can’t use WIFI 5GHz, Mic issues and echo (good enough reason to rollback to stock), overheating, can’t select the network manually, some games can’t start at all…and much more.

The problem is how to find a ROM which balances between the speed and stability and this isn’t easy, the solution for the people who are looking for the speed and don't care that much about UI is to choose a device which comes with a pure android system.

Again, I’m just sharing my experience and no offense to anyone :)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Robert-:
I compared LineageOS 15.1 on my old N5 and LineageOS 15.1 (and other ROMs) on RN5. Something is wrong but I dont know what..
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] kodorevi8ulis:
some ppl must stop saying those things :))

we are not in an indian forum so no ..... i have Redmi Note 5 with SD636 , there isn't any device with name RN5Pro outside of India .... in the whole world (except india of course) the device with the SD636 is the Redmi Note 5 (put also the AI if you want, doesn't matter) , the device with the 625 is the Redmi 5 Plus .-
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] lukesan:
As rocker00 says expectation and thinking about how and what that is absolutely correct. I still have a HTC HD2 here that has a 'empty' rom on it. I think the image is like 72MB big or so. Everything that you click on starts instantly, well that everything is not a lot, settings, file browser etc.	448 MB RAM, 512 MB ROM I see as official specs for the HD2.

Now looking at the evolution of hardware specs and rom size then it seems to be growing completely out of hand. Quad, octa core cpu's ... cooling for the new Poco phone like WTF ... 3,4,6 .. 8GB ram and stock images 1.6GB. I think Nexus 5 roms were like 500MB or so. What happened or is happening one could say and where are we going to?

Let Google make a Nexus 5 with a sd-card slot, bigger battery and just update Android 4.4 ... not make it 3 times the rom size, just patch security ... and it could be my new phone. I used to see exact the same thing with cpu's, graphic cards etc .... now my big pc is over 10 years old with an ssd and still does really good what it needs to do but in the beginning in that was a new cpu every 6 months time. Every Android release mentions the same, battery optimizations., faster, more options. Why do we need more cpu power, memory and bigger batteries just to run the OS?

Maybe someone should make a minimalistic rom, no crazy zoom in or out effects or other stuff that doesn't really matter and takes away memory and cpu.

It's like watching an unboxing video, well the first thing I do is throw the box in a corner. The experience or feeling of unboxing is a 5 minute thing, I would say getting the phone in the store or online is a more exiting experience to me. The only thing that matters after a year is if you are impressed by the phone or not.

All personal but I think we should think about what we and they are thinking.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] milro1970:
Well, based on your apps, the following are mine... And really I don't see something peculiar.

My screenshots are taken after I took sometime using the particular app.

Launching an app, for one or two seconds the bars were getting much bigger than the baseline, but that's expected, I guess...
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] milro1970:
Because the current ROMS are larger than what it was in the past, does not mean that Android is bloated.

Google has added numerous APIs from the KITKAT time, your reference point, that help the developers to create richer apps or do the things they want to do easier. That's a good thing...

On the other hand the hardware is evolved and needs to be supported by the software. For example, our phones now sport massive, resolution wise, screens that need bigger GPUs and CPUs... and require more energy to use and control them.

At the end, what does matter cannot be dictated by you, or me, alone.

I would say that the main issue with the Android is, perhaps, its root Linux and of course Google

Linux is a beast and if left unchecked can ruin the experience. It needs to be properly trimmed and suitably configured for each phone to work as it should.

Google... It is what it is. It's a curse and a blessing and we cannot do much about....
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] lukesan:
True, but isn't it time to stop the useless 'progress'? Also 500MB to 1.5GB, some serious lines of extra code. What have you seen in regards to the extra batt savings in each version, or the faster speeds? Every phone I get that gets supplied with Android version X and the move to Y .. a lot of people complain about worse batt life, performance etc . some of it true, other placebo.

I guess most of the show is pure money making and people thinking 4GB is more than the 2GB from my previous device so it must be a lot faster are a bit deceived. Every update gets sold as a miracle, a have to have or you don't belong to the crowd.

We're going off topic but it's still interesting to see and hear different opinions about this.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] milro1970:
Personally, I can understand your frustration regarding battery life. It should really be a top priority for every OEM and Google.

It's a pitty that there is no standard to measure somehow objectively such a thing.

I'm sure that the only reason it does not publicly exist is because it is not beneficial for the industry (not for the consumer).

Now, more RAM is not always beneficial for performance but it does not hurt either...

Of course is always beneficial for multitasking, especially for the no guarantees memory handling from Android

In my case I really detest how Android handles Memory.

For example I have a 4 GB device and the OS, still after so many iterations, cannot guarantee that I will find unharmed the email message that I left in the middle because I had to answer my phone and open a photo (The good thing is that Outlook saved the message in its drafts folder)

And don't anyone even try to remind me how really excellent is Memory management in Android or Linux. It's not. It needs fixing
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] :
I've removed a couple of posts here.

Let's keep this discussion respectful and remember, everyone is entitled to their opinions. Every user has a different experience because every user uses their phone differently.

I'd rather not have to close this thread but if things get ugly again, I won't have a choice. So now I'll be lurking here to keep an eye on you.

Chill out and have a rational, respectful discussion.

Cheers!
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Islam Looca:
Is that means that i have something wrong, do i need to change rom ?

i have never found a rom without stutter scrolling in particular
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] m666p:
I agree with you about the micro shutters and also the weak signal (I'm using T-Mobile) and I was disappointed by the overall performance of this device compared to a snapdragon 800 device.

Its probably the weak GPU which is the issue, making it perform close to a snapdragon 801 in real world usage.

The way around the shutters is by using a custom kernel and updating firmware, vendor and disabling use GPU for 2d rendering in developer settings.

Currently, the only kernels which are lag free are twistedloop and derp. The other ones for some reason cause micro shutters (I think its because they under clock the big cluster to 300mhz min)

And use a custom rom, I use havoc...
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] neojith:
Face it.. Its MIUI..

I too felt the same.. coming from a nexus 5..

Just run a stock android rom like pixel experience.. i'm running PE Oreo.. Far far far better than miui..

And xiaomis going the samsung way.. It used to be just 3 phones earlier.. Now too many models.. Software development is bound to be bad.. Same with Mi android ones.. Now its same with Miui phones..
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] SunilSuni:
Small video about scrolling in our WHYRED

https://youtu.be/jfm7Q98I0DQ

As you can observe scrolling is smooth in our device
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] htchd2sucks:
Yes, it's strange, I read in numerous places, my device was called "Redmi note 5 pro global" (I even have checked the purchases and it's indicated everywhere" Redmi Note 5 Pro Case", etc....)

On the packaging of the phone it does say "Redmi Note 5" (and not pro).

So I am wrong, I always though it was called RN5 Pro, since April 2018.

Yes, the confusion has come from somewhere clearly and its very likely related to MIUI/XIAOMI variations of the same (or almost same) devices under same naming... If they want to be "Global" and international, they better stick with specific version names, in today's connected world.

As for your last statement, you are wrong (your turn) :)

¨$SD636 is the Redmi Note 5 (put also the AI if you want, doesn't matter) , the device with the 625 is the Redmi 5 Plus

https://www.mi.com/in/redmi-note5/

It clearly show a device branded REDMI NOTE 5 and it has the Snapdragon 625... (yes, indeed it shows INDIA).

We're not in an India Forum, yet our phones are coming from various locations, most likely Asia. So we can't assume we all have a "global version", even if we live in Europe (or elsewhere).

I know plenty of people who bought another XIAOMI in Chinese version for various reasons, and live in Europe.

To come back to the topic, I only mentionned because I found weird that type of report, I was asking the OP to verify what device we're talking about exactly...

I guess thanks to your explanation we have the same device!

Edit: It's even more confusing as on XDA, we are on the forum called Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro "the Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro is a 5.9" phone with a 1080 x 2160 pixel display. The Snapdragon 636 chipset is paired with 4/6GB of RAM and 32/64GB of storage. ". The forum for Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 / 5 Plus (The Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 is a 5.9" phone with a 1080 x 2160 pixel display. The Snapdragon 625 chipset is paired with 3/4GB of RAM and 32/64GB of storage. ).

Interesting question, should we say we have the PRO version to understand we have the same device (with 636 cpu), or should we say what appears to be correct name (redmi note 5) but then it won't match the reality in XDA... and we still confuse naming... So what should it be in your opinion??
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] lukesan:
This is turning into a very interesting conversation and observation, XDA worthy, instead of bashing and black and white thinking!

A lot of people say that MIUI is the problem with lag etc ... thinking about it, and reading other peoples comments and explanations, I could personally conclude that to run MIUI smoothly without microlags you would have to use a snapdragon liquid cooled 845 and 8GB of ram and even then we have to be careful what the next Android or MIUI version brings.

Wait, we are talking about a 'pimped' OS and not even about the performance in games, the apps (I still call it applications) yet.

So the OS has become the application here or as much cpu and gpu demanding as you would expect with games or other software. For me and probably other oldtimers an OS is a just platform that shouldn't be doing much except giving a platform that handles drivers, apps, games etc..

If you think of it MIUI is 1 big application instead of an OS like I am thinking about the word OS. For example If I reinstall my phone to just use Android Auto I have to change a lot of settings. Settings like autostart permissions for every app that Android Auto uses, switch off the power savings per app. To think that an OS is constantly monitoring my 100+ apps is just crazy. Even apps like kitchen timer I have to change the settings in MIUI because if the screen goes dark the countdown timer just stops, how crazy is that?

Maybe the A2 with a stock Android rom is more for the threadstarter or he would have been happier with that. Reading all the stuff here and thinking about it then maybe I should also try a more minimalism approach to a rom/firmware, call it what you want. I don't care about fancy moving stuff or themes. They don't bring anything in regards to practicality. An OS that monitors starts of application which you can switch off to save battery and all of the other things, it must take it's toll in performance and overall feel.

Why would we need to use another beefed up kernel to try make something smoother? Btw I have just seen a patch with a new kernel for Masik rom so I feel the need again to flash stuff.

I should check, I haven't yet, and see if someone ported the rom from the A2 to our device as mostly the hardware (I know the cpu and gpu are different) is mostly the same.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Robert-:
I remember trying a Mi A1 rom on my old Redmi Note 4 and everything was smoother. I still think that some drivers/blobs/surfaceflinger are/is broken.

Ive seen devices with lower specs that work better. (like the android one HTC)

The GPU is fine, if it can handle PUBG and other heavy games than it should handle scrolling and rendering apps.

Once you are in an application everything is smooth, but scrolling on UI/Social apps or chrome is a nightmare for me sometimes..

btw: im talking about custom roms, i gave up on MIUI since I bought the phone.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] milro1970:
One moment, stop the press here.

You are the OP of this thread. Yes? And all this time we are talking about an issue in a Custom ROM?

Why don't you tell us from the start this thing? And also tell us the custom ROM or ROMS you have used! All the ROMS are not made equal...

I personally have commented about your issue assuming you are using the stock ROM because your signature says you are using MIUI 9.5.6 Global stable.

In my first comment to you I had a clear reference for a STOCK ROM, but you did't think it was that time of year to clarify further your situation...

If the above are true and all this time we are writing about a CUSTOM ROM issue then, sorry, but you cannot say anything about the phone (like: THIS PHONE IS GARBAGE).

You may say what ever you want about the ROM or ROMS you have used but not about the phone.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] lukesan:
Agree on that, the thread name should be changed. I guess that was written in the heat of the battle and we've all been there. Words and sentences can trigger bad things but I guess the OP has tried a lot of stuff and also the MIUI roms.

My wife also has a redmi note 4 (snapdragon 625) and it sometimes feels smoother. Antutu 40% slower, less ram etc etc ... ok 1920 by 1080 but yes, somethings might not be optimized or ok on that part. I hear you Robert.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] rishab77:
Can you explain your experience with twistloop kernal it has eas and i am looking to upgrade to it. But i need to know abt battery, performance, heating