yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mrmikemcguire:
Any Ideas???
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mykail:
try finding pie.lnk in \windows and edit it's contents to point to opera
[Android Head-Units] Project999:
I need something that can view playlust, change skin and theme. What's the coolest music player?
[Android Head-Units] Aphykit2006:
Hi

I use JetAudio.
[Onetouch Idol 3 General] crapymonkey:
Got a model A846L that wont boot past the alcatel logo, normally I would just toss the phone but it belongs to older friend of the family who lost her husband earlier this year. You can guess im here because we need the pictures from the phone, Yes....

Done tried clearing device cache and connecting via ADB, cant get either to work. Im not a total expert but I am very experienced in flashing ROMs and working with phones.

However this one has me at a lost, looking for advice or maybe something I havent tried or though about trying. Im running win10 but do work with Ubuntu with android software. So no tools are to far fetched.

Thanks.
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unromeo11:
i am currently running T818WVLS3BRG1_T818WOYA3BRG1_T818WVLS3BRG1_HOME.tar on my sm-t818w tab 2. i am trying to figure out how to frp unlock it. i have tryed tons of firmwares trying to downgrade no luck any ideas?
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] techdroidsg:
Hi there.

Still require help with your frp unlock?
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unromeo11:
yes
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Neumee:
I have exact same problem..can u help me out?

Hi I'm having the same issue with t818w is there anyway u can help me out?

Thanks
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] PocoSteve:
Hi, I'm going to buy a Pocophone, and it's my first phone. I actually rather like MIUI, but I will very probably try to flash a pixel experience-like ROM when those come out. However, I have no idea how to revert to "factory MIUI" should I want to.

I know, pretty noob question, but if you could point me to a tutorial so that I have an idea of what to do, that would be cool!
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] kambalakarar:
Just download miui theme whis is inbuilt or download it from playstore
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] PocoSteve:
Yes but I don't want a theme. If I flash another ROM, and I lose, let's say, the infrared recognition capacities because it's not part of standard Android. Well, then I'll want to re-flash the original MIUI. Are there any tutorials for that?
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Ruvy:
To be able to flash a custom ROM, you need to:

1. Unlock Bootloader

2. Install Custom Recovery (TWRP)

3. Flash Custom ROM along with GApps

To revert back:

1. Get a flashable MIUI zip file for the device.

2. Flash it using stock/custom recovery

3. Relock bootloader maybe

Now at the moment you don't really need to worry much about these things. Get the phone, play with it and when you decide to flash a custom ROM, better take a nandroid backup of MIUI. It will save you from searching for MIUI later if you decide to revert back
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] PocoSteve:
Thanks a lot! Are there any Nandroid tutorials on the forums here?
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Ruvy:
You can take nandroid backup using custom recovery.

Make sure to check BOOT, SYSTEM, DATA, EFS (if available, depends upon the recovery) when taking backup
[Sony Xperia XA1 Questions & Answers] sirxazor:
So I got this phone after new years, and when I got home I decided to unlock the bootloader because I wanted to root it. Long story **** I found the process too complicated (Unlike how I did it years ago for my previous xperia phone) so I gave up. Now my phone says something about phone is unlocked every time I turn it on and that's that.

I seem to be unable to get latest android update for my phone, I looked at the sony website and used my IMEI number and it says I should be able to install oreo on my device, but there are no updates on my device.

What must I do in order to get the oreo update for my phone? At this point I don't care for rooting my device so any help is extremely appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Phone XA1 Plus

G3423 International

Build number : 48.0.A.1.99
[Sony Xperia XA1 Questions & Answers] Racaballero29:
Hola amigo, yo acabo de desbloquear el bootloader de mi xperia xa1 plus G3423 es facil desde la pagina de sony pides un código con tu numero de imei luego en flashtool colocas el código y en par de segundos desbloqueas bootloader, con la herramienta xperifirm descargas el firmware que desees según tu modelo y luego con flashtool haces el .ftf y lo quemas.

Con todo eso listo te queda el teléfono como nuevo ! en xperifirm esta la versión android oreo
[Sony Xperia XA1 Questions & Answers] Tu_Angel:
Hola amigo, que bueno encontré alguien que habka español.

Tengo una duda sobre el abrir el bootloader, resulta que tengo igual el Xa1 plus y quiero abrir el bootloader pero no si si al hacerlo y perder las drmkeys se pierda calidad en cámara o las mejoras de imágen o si de alguna forma empeora el equipo al abrir el bootloader, tú que ya lo abriste no taste algo de eso o algún otro problema,?? Agradecería tu consejo
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
So as I Was Searching for Miui 10 GCam Fix i Ran Across That Video

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgWnkuDXZxA[/YOUTUBE]

And Since That We Have The Miui 10 issue for Google Camera For Black Screen and As Im Still Working for a fix (nothing worked yet) and we still have to use the bad processing miui cam and Cam Api 1

i need testers for this apk i found in this video that claims to have blackscreen fix

also i m thinking that Xiaomi Enabled Cam Api 2 by default in framework cause when i compared both Miui 9 and Miui 10 Frameworks they were identical and the camera api 2 folder exists and untoched (used mild to compare) and might be also a bug in libs or maybe cam xmls which are in /system/etc/ still dont know

so since am not home and i dont have miui 10 installed on my device yet (cause i wont change and lose my google camera for a skin sorry)

am calling for who have MIUI 10 To Test it and tell if it worked

Also Try with camera api 2 off and on

Code : persist.camera.HAL3.enabled = 1

Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gLaaCC-28V7Ul5p9_KSkog-_vAPORLIK/view

NOTE : Guys Who Have MIUI 10 Oreo Edition Been Able to fix it by doing the libs and xml thing

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Until i find a proper solution there is a port of miui 10 8.1 sGsi and works great except for some little bugs

VVVV Has Some Bugs VVVV

https://xdaforums.com/project-trebl...evelopment/8-1-miui10-project-treble-t3840198

VVVVVVVMORE STABLE VVVVVVV

https://xdaforums.com/redmi-note-4/.../poco-f1-android-8-1-miui10-mido-gsi-t3853371

and Google Cam works just install google play and services from google installer and enable api2

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[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
LINK TO The Thread Of MIUI 10 Oreo GCAM FIX : https://xdaforums.com/mi-5/themes/app-google-camera-portrait-t3777614
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Antony Ricardo:
Irei testar hoje a tarde
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] cesc1972:
I tried the apk without camera2api enabled and it just crashes, with camera2 enabled it still shows the black screen.

If you want I can try the camera libs or the xml from Miui 9 in 10.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] cesc1972:
If anyone links a system dump from Miui 9 I can try to copy some camera files around to 10 to see if it works.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djgigi94:
It's the only thing who i don't use miui 10 actually. It's hilarious that Xiaomi doesn't fix it when in others Xiaomi all works great without any fix. And no one dev doesn't care about this... i don't use anymore miui for this.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
i m trying to work on it
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djgigi94:
And thanks for it! I hope someone else can help you too. I see no other one cares about miui 10 and this problem. Only custom roms
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Noter2017:
Tell Xiaomi to fix it. They don't want you to enable CameraApi2 and use GCams mods.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djgigi94:
Only there . On other xiaomis no problem.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
i will be uploading xml patches and libs from miui 9 they may work i hope
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Hmd13145:
If Miui 10 based roms Developers fix 3rd party theme apply in Miui 10 then why can they not fix Gcam black Screen issue in miui 10 based rom?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
Flashable File Attached Testers Needed :o :fingers-crossed:
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Heiko77:
Didn't worked for me on MIUI 10 8.9.6 global. Just the old black screen
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
can u take a logcat so i can define the error ?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Curi0:
Which XML files ? I have tried replacing every single camera related lib and it doesn't work still
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Heiko77:
Sorry, I just switched to AEX Pie.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] BurningKoala:
If you tell me how to get the logcat I could do it, I'm on the latest global
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
this will help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6iDw76UpQw
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
also make sure you launch google cam while logcating ^^
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Curi0:
Replacing /bin/cameraserver completely breaks camera (even stock)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
its from miui 9
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] pikachukaki:
maybe take it from miui 10 but on 8 version!! They seem to have working api2
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Curi0:
Thats why its crashing. It depends on something thats missing. I have libcameraserver.so changed
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
what i found out that miui 9 does not have libcameraserver.so but it have libcameraservice.so
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Curi0:
I meant libcameraservice.so not libcameraserver.so sorry it was a typo
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
uploading update
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
**New Test Fix Uploaded**
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] nubitolz:
Maybe this could help?

[YOUTUBE]wAVom0101Bk[/YOUTUBE]
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Curi0:
That doesn't work for Redmi Note 4
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djsolidsnake86:
anyone tried fix 2?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
why dont u try?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] pikachukaki:
gcam bug text

and two logcats one for gcam and one for miui camera that isn't working either!!
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
Great Job Man ! I Think Am Really Close now to fix it <3
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djsolidsnake86:
Great! :laugh:
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Curi0:
I think this has to do with firmware or drivers and not cameraserver. Here is a logcat (without any changes)

https://hastebin.com/fekatimehe.pl
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rexor10:
Any change with new MIUI?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
seems like something is holding the cam from connecting cause it fails to intialize while the app fully functional and intialized

i will keep invistagting
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] kemo12533:
can we try old frameware with ur rom

like the last stable framework

it may work
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
you can try and that would be very good but make sure you backup and try using a custom rom such as miui pro cause they dont install framework i think
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djsolidsnake86:
new 8.9.13 is out. can you check? any progress?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] GhostKiller-VN:
I am using rom EU8.9.13, can i use gcam after flash file you attach?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] sebby64:
on xiaomi.eu rom miui10 8.9.13 dont work, after flash fix stock camera dont work too. On gcam is black screen and after 5 seconds app stopped.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
Temporary Solution found

go to main post
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djsolidsnake86:
hope to see your solution, that port need some strange passages to install, i would not use for daily usage
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djgigi94:
Thanks for your trick. But I read that sound doesn't work on miui 10 gsi. It is true? Or you find a solution for this? Thanks for your hard work...really.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
sounds does not encode correctly so no ringtones or media except for MX Player which has software decoding and Youtube and Almost all browsers work fine in audio
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djsolidsnake86:
Any news?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
will the port of miui 10 8.1 now has audio fixed and brightness and use RR Vendor will fix video playing
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] cannone94:
So no hope for rom like xiaomi.eu ecc?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] unFamous O.o:
Will there be audio if I play games? Sorry for my bad english.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
Join the telegram channel of the thread of miui they posted audio fixed miui 10
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djsolidsnake86:
waiting for some news
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Lui7601:
I do not understand what the difference is between Redmi 5 plus and Redmi Note 4X !? Why does it work under Gcam Miui10? Is it complicated or does anyone deal with it?

Tapatalkkal küldve az én Redmi Note 4X eszközömről
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Heiko77:
If I'm right the difference is that mido only got MIUI with Android 7.0. Others 8.1. And 7.0 doesn't has the right API level for gcam.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Lui7601:
But the developer of Miui 9 8.4.26 still worked with gcam. It is also android 7.0

Tapatalkkal küldve az én Redmi Note 4X eszközömről
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djgigi94:
It isn't true. Mi5s has 7.0 and a working gcam. Mi note 3 8.1 and not working gcam(I read that device have same problems as mido) . The problem it isn't gcam itself but api2 not working correctly with all apps. It was only api2 limited, all other apps working. But they have black screen and camera2probe give that you have level 3 api2. And it is only on miui 10. On miui 9 gcam and api2 works perfectly.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] xezrunner:
If I recall correctly, checking the logcat myself before, I think it was related to camera 0 reporting incorrect resolutions or camera 0/1 not existing? Something like that..

Perhaps the portrait implementation is based on a dual-camera implementation and they just use "camera 1" as a dummy?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
i think yea but if its device specific how does the miui 10 port from redmi 3s android oreo runs gcam on mido and its own version not as matter of a fact we are the only ones suffering this issue i keept reading the logs and searching threw framework and xmls strangely that framework is the same as miui 9 but i always got that error you talk about like camera aux still cant manage to trace it
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djgigi94:
If i remember correctly, the first alpha doesn't had any potrait implementation on libs. But the problem was there. Mi note 3 have dual cam and problem is there... So, i think other things are the real problem. [MENTION=4635200]omarilzz[/MENTION] if you want i'm on latest miui 9 stable....if you need some help to try to port some files on miui 10 on our mido. Because sgsi have some difficulites in my opinion and lacks on languages. And i notice that xiaomi potrait mode doesn't work with patch and not everything works correctly and too many patches.....
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
well thanks man but i already tried missing with it

i tried copying from miui9 latest to miui beta global 7.0 that we have also chinese and they both same btw whats funny that i found leaked shots of RN4 With Dual cam back before release idk what is going threw xiaomi`s head but i think they hate GCam Enough that they try to ban it
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djgigi94:
But the strange thing is that thing is only on certain models. They want us to buy mi8 or pocophone f1 with api2 enabled by default ?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] kristi6.9:
what if someone ports miui 10 7.0 from another device... will it work?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
hahahaha XD u can install older versions of gcam but without portrait or hdr+ which is useless XD
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
confusingly might be same result am not sure
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djgigi94:
So I install a random third party app and it's OK ?I hope someone porting 8.1 miui 10 from another snapdragon 625. Or sgsi became global miui. But redmi 5 plus doesn't use same camera as mido? It have miui 10, 8.1 with working gcam and single cam... Xiaomi is strange really...
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] alok932:
Its ok to miss portrait and use stock one as we don't have any other option as of now but is there a gcam version with hdr working? Atleast i can use HDR of gcam which is way better than stocks.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] amnher:
Thats why we need a working gcam
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Noter2017:
GCam is working, MIUI 10 is broken.

You need a working MIUI 10
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] ssj435:
When there is no solution, people start to become philosophical.;)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djsolidsnake86:
so this project is abandoned?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Amr Khan:
have anyone tried to see differences between lens blur and normal mode as lens blur is the only thing that works with miui 10 so why not comparing and see what happens
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
yea i did notice that and btw its android 7.0 miui problem since i think we are the only device with miui 10 7.0 although it works just fine with miui 10 8.1
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] xezrunner:
I wouldn't say it's an issue with the Android base.. MIUI 9 7.0 works fine, and MIUI 10 8.1 is Treble, meaning it has different/older libs, or framework files, than the stock ROM.

My theory still holds up: they were developing the portrait / bokeh effect, or just improving the camera and whatnot, and they messed up something with the camera info for API2. I'd even believe it's something with the mido-specific MIUI 10 frameworks, but I wouldn't say it's the NRD90M Android base..
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
i decompiled both frameworks and searched and compared using meld for difference in camera folder nothing seem to touch any api also in the cameraAPI2 is identical between both miui 10 and miui 9
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djsolidsnake86:
So what can be the problem?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ahmed_Hosam391:
hey omar may i ask you for the sgsi group you told someone about and i wanna get in touch with you directly if you don't mind i am in egypt to maybe i can help i AM WILLING
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djsolidsnake86:
The xda group link is in the first post
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] omarilzz:
SURE why not btw there is a release of miui 10 ported from pocophone which pretty stable if u ignore led notify and face unlock

https://xdaforums.com/redmi-note-4/.../poco-f1-android-8-1-miui10-mido-gsi-t3853371
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ahmed_Hosam391:
this is my number we can contact by whatsapp if you wanna.. I will delete the reply after you send me a message

it's

(I forgot a number (0-0i)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Deadmeat03:
java.lang.NullPointerException: Attempt to get length of null array

at cok.aa(PG)

at ccv.a(PG)

at com.a(PG)

at jxg.a(PG)

at con.run(PG)

at gvc.run(Unknown Source)

at hzy.run(PG)

at java.util.concurrent.Executors$RunnableAdapter.call(Executors.java:428)

at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(FutureTask.java:237)

at java.util.concurrent.ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor$ScheduledFutureTask.run(ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor.java:272)

at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1133)

at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:607)

at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:760)

at avv.run(PG)

That's the error I get when I try to open Gcamera. My camera2api lvl is 2, if that helps.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djsolidsnake86:
So no way to get gcam on miui10?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] GhostKiller-VN:
I found it from 4DPA.

With file this is Google Camera but not capture.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vPqT5P_nvfTvN5SbNRUb83D_sVOacLA4/view?usp=drivesdk

This file was reposted but I have not tried it yet. You need 1 code to enable Camera2api with this file

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YOZi5aU7RCCPA-wowlS4W198k7tQfpI_/view?usp=drivesdk

Good Luck
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] JuaoFilho:
I tested the two zips. But to no avail.

Camera closes by itself. In addition to continue with black screen.

I've already given up hope.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djsolidsnake86:
Havr you tried? Works?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] GhostKiller-VN:
i try it. and black screen
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] djsolidsnake86:
Report to that page where you found, can you give us the link?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] GhostKiller-VN:
I have some reports

http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=833225&st=19180#entry78358347
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] h4harsimran:
I found a website where there was a collection of Google cams. I downloaded many of them and tried on MIUI10 on my redmi note 4. There was one of them which was connecting with camera momentarily.

It was cstark27_GCam_5.1.018_24_rTaimen_fAngler_cAngler_v2.apk i downloaded from that website.

When I opened it, it showed black screen. Then I increased the exposure, closed the app and reopened it. It showed proper picture like I have shown in screenshot but it was frozen on that single frame and I was not able to capture it by pressing shutter button.

I dont know of this is relevent or not. Just thought I should share may be someone deduce something from it.