yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Magisk] sam00561:
That is how I have mine set up according to that post but detecting now
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Yeah for me does not work Santander also. Like 2 hours ago was fine...So now none of them working. lloyds santander halifax. :(
[Magisk] sam00561:
I can see see this is gonna be a serious cat n mouse thing for the foreseeable future. At least gpay works for now.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Yeah. I think i will save a bookmark in the browser for each bank's website...Hassle free. Santander was good only for a week now. And was detecting root for me at least 9 months long before ...Rubbish. :(
[Magisk] sam00561:
Yes that's exactly how I have mine set up but the problem with Santander is the web version is not mobile friendly and it needs to be zoomed in to see anything properly.
[Magisk] jhobc:
Can you please share the apk of Santander with me?

On my Play Store the version still 4.15 and it's working fine.

Please upload to Google Drive or another server and PM the link.

Thanks.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
yeah nothing we can do about it. that is why designed the app. but can not use. :(
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
ok. will do later on.

i can send the 4.14 also...

But i want let u know the app does not detect root now. the message is different. i can not do screenshot as santander disabling it...

It says now "It looks like you are running services that could affect the security of your device, or you have rooted or unlocked bootloader"
[Magisk] sam00561:
Yes the error message has changed from the usual to something about security and advising to uninstall the app. i tried again and this time i got as far as nearly recieving the text confirmation and then the detection kicked in. This is very strange.
[Magisk] jhobc:
Ok

This message appear before or after the login?

I'm asking because I don't have an account, so I can only reach to the login screen.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
before log in

You do not need an account pass root detection as root detection running before accesing the account.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
I can confirm with LSposed and XPrivacylua SantanderUK and Lloyds also will pass root detection. Santander works great but Lloyds just crashing down when trying to launch the app...
[Magisk] sam00561:
Hi i found Lsposed but where is XPrivacy please.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
you need to get that from LSposed repository.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
i do not have xposed. LSposed (Riru) getting from magisk repository and xprivacylua can get from LSPosed app repository. that is it.
[Magisk] sam00561:
I have got santander and halifax working now thanks for the help.Hope it lasts.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Great. For me santander works but halifax always crashing if i try launch it. Which phone and ROM are u using?
[Magisk] samftw24:
Has anyone gotten xprivacylua to work with Lloyds?
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
yes but does not work properly...
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Santander ok but Lloyds & Halifax always crashing down (randomly) if i try launch the app. Magisk LSposed Xprivacylua etc. settings are the same.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
If i reboot my phone and wipe cache & dalvik then sometimes lloyds working but only once. then not able to log in anymore as app crashing straight after trying launch it.

Santander works with no issue at all.

Strange. :unsure:
[Magisk] brain_72:
hi Jose, im having the same problem with supermovil mx and titanium, i dont have installed xposed so i dont know if xprivacy works, but im using a old version that is not checking the root, the version is "Santander 5.41".
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
On my A11 both santander and lloyds working with xprivacylua set up. However lloyds many times crashes and i can log in just randomly. i was trying to wipe cache of the app but does not help. santander works great.

On A10 Santander works great but lloyds can not even register the device as detects root. On both A10 and A11 magisk edxposed & lua settings are exactly the same.
[Magisk] Be4st187:
Anyone had any luck of getting Lloyds working? App loads fine and then tells me I'm rooted only after logging in.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Same to me at A10.

On A11 sometimes works only.
[Magisk] dnick88:
I found that deleting the Magisk manager app (mine was re packaged before anyone thinks that's the resolution) solved the issue of root for me on Halifax, give that a go.

It comes back after reboot so nothing lost if it doesn't work and if it does, remember to delete it each time after reboot!
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Seriously i do not want derooting my phone each time want use the app.
[Magisk] dnick88:
Doesn't change in terms of modules installed etc. At the mo, there's no better option unless you know one
[Magisk] Be4st187:
Legend. Worked for me and I'm still rooted. Odd that the bank can detect a repacked Magisk. You think they are just looking for a bunch of random uppercase and lowercase letters? Lol
[Magisk] dnick88:
Exactly my thoughts, so clever but so stupid at the same time..

The cat and mouse bull**** we do just to access our own money. Glad it worked!
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
For me does not work at all. After deleting magisk app lloyds & halifax still detects root
[Magisk] dnick88:
For me, I removed all alternate hiding apks and Riru modules as they were not working.

Then from Magisk I did: Magisk hide, systemless host, repacked (initially). Safteynet check passed.

Force closed Halifax app, cleared data.

Deleted Magisk manager app

Halifax then worked

I know most of this is basic but I think I had conflicts with Riru and alternate hiding tools (edXposed / LSPosed and getting rid of those helped)
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
What phone and ROM are you using?
[Magisk] dnick88:
Lenovo Z6 Pro

Revenge OS (A11)
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Yeah. I am using OP3T ArrowOS A11 but also trying on HavocOS A10. On A11 sometimes can log in. But on A10 can not even register my device. It is strange as Santander works great only Lloyds&Halifax detects root. Settings are same for Santander Halifax and Lloyds.
[Magisk] Be4st187:
For me it's OxygenOS (A10) on a Oneplus 6. I only have Magisk and no Riru as none of my apps need it right now. Only need root for Greenify and custom kernel. All I did was manually uninstall Magisk app via the icon and not Magisk core and Lloyds is working and I'm still rooted. Rarely reboot so it's good for now.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Good for you. I also need root for SD maid Linux deploy and also for some extra features of my custom ROM with GravityBox. However i also have 3 banking apps which are keen about root. Santander requires riru modules buy lloyds and halifax are not. So at the moment lloyds and halifax are not working but santander does work properly...If i would remove riru and magisk app lloyds&halifax would work but santander does not?

This is not a solution for me. 😩 :(
[Magisk] dead0:
thanks. seems to be working for me with halifax and santander on crdroid 11 (poco f2) but strangely doesnt work for halifax on corvus a10 (poco f1)
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Unfortunatelly this method only works on specific ROMs. For me does not work at all on Havoc or ArrowOS also.
[Magisk] Be4st187:
I don't think it's ROM-specific. I think it's how Magisk was installed as I have just had a tinker and same phone, same stock ROM, same version of stock ROM, same Magisk version, same 9 entries from post #85 in the Adaway blocklist, yet now I don't need to delete the app. Hell, I don't even need to repackage Magisk and it works. The only difference is that I set my phone back to stock using the MSMTool to ensure a baseline to test from and I no longer have a custom TWRP recovery and patched a boot file using Magisk itself. (some users a few pages back said Santander was seeing the TWRP folder and renaming or deleting it did the trick. Maybe that's the issue?... it's too late to check now lol)
[Magisk] sam00561:
The deleting twrp folder is not working here I've been trying all day and Santander crashing or detecting.
[Magisk] Be4st187:
If that's the case, then maybe it is down to how Magisk was installed or maybe banking apps have found another way to detect custom recoveries. Those are the only 2 differences between my last and current setups and it seems to be working flawlessly. Have you added the list from post 85 as that list has a few more entries from OP's list
[Magisk] sam00561:
Actually i havent i will try your way and get back but unfourtuetly after a new update will likely still be detected. this is an ongoing battle.
[Magisk] sam00561:
I just realised that addaway list is for Lloyds not Santander
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Lloyds & Halifax version 69 is out...Same behavior.
[Magisk] ‬1‬:
Halifax updated it's security. It stopped working since last week.
[Magisk] sam00561:
Working here miui12.5
[Magisk] Be4st187:
Halifax and Lloyds are basically the same app and both are v69.01 and my Lloyds is working fine
[Magisk] ‬1‬:
I don't know. Maybe it's rom related. I had been using it for maybe 6 months and after updating the app' it's just stopped working.
[Magisk] Be4st187:
The app can look for other things like TWRP folder, folders belonging to apps that only work with root etc. Mine was detecting root yesterday and now it's not. All I did was reinstall my ROM fresh without custom recovery. If that wasn't what fixed it, the only other thing it could have been was that the previous setup my Magisk was originally installed pre-v22 and then updated. Maybe some old files were left over were detected by Lloyds and are no longer present now I did a fresh install of everything. V22 changed the way Magisk works entirely and there's possibly some leftover files that MagiskHide no longer hides.

Personally I would do what I did and back up your stuff and start fresh and see if that works. Just remember to use the additional block list from post #85 and any others as I had issues about 2 months back and that list did the job. Bit sure if there's any others I need, but that was the first one I came across
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
I agree. Halifax and Lloyds are exactly the same app. Even Gui and root detection same. Only the color and the logo different. That is why hard to understand if both has been updated to latest version of 69 why Halifax does launch but Lloyds does just crashing all the time?? Magisk hide xprivacylua settings are exactly same.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Have you tried without Adaway? It does work without for me with Santander all the time and sometimes with Halifax also. Lloyds is very rare as most of the time just carshing...
[Magisk] Be4st187:
I have tried and Lloyds detects root without that block list from #85
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
What about Halifax? Lloyds does not detect root for me.

I have just loged in both Lloyds and Halifax succesfully...I have realized that xprivacylua was not running in the background. Before trying to log in i have just make sure xprivacylua runs and all the settings are correct.

No Adaway at all.

However still can not understand why does work only occasionally and not continously??
[Magisk] Be4st187:
Not tried Halifax to be honest. Only used Lloyds and NatWest with last setup and only Lloyds since the reinstall of everything.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
I see. It is ok. I have Natwest also. Never have got issue with it. :giggle: Always santander and lloyds group are the troublemaker in the last few months.
[Magisk] ‬1‬:
I had forgotten to add the host file list to AdAway. After adding it it worked again. Thanks for the help though. I will also keep them on my mind.
[Magisk] thierry beccaro:
Lloyds stopped working for me too since the last update. For MIUI users (and perhaps other skins with sandbox capabilities), if you install it on second space, it will work again.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
What do you mean second space?
[Magisk] sam00561:
I just re locked bootloader on my Miui device using official lock tool and santander still is detecting root.
[Magisk] Be4st187:
Probably because you still have the apps, files and folders left over from root and the app is detecting them. Need to remove them or wipe/reinstall OS as just relocking the bootloader won't remove them
[Magisk] sam00561:
On Xiaomi phones bootloader re locking is done through Miflash tool which formats internal and wipes everything. I figured it out tho when i restored my apps etc through mi cloud it had re installed Magisk manager that was the culprit.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Unfortunatelly you can not use restore data....as this will cause the issue. You have to manually install magisk and other root detection manager tools and basically every system affecting tools from scratch. For other apks use titanuim or other alternatives but not for system affecting apps like magic xposed etc.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Now, on my newly installed A11 based custom ROM works everything like charm. Santander Lloyds and Halifax also.
[Magisk] jimger:
For some reason Halifax and Lloyds detect magisk manager even repackaged. Freezing it (or uninstalling it) fixes the problem.

Santander finds it no matter what I do (including island and work profile)
[Magisk] josehdx:
Hey. I have lost all the sequence of this topic but i managed to find a way to have my app list hidden in order to avoid santander mexico app not to find my titanium app. There is an LSPosed module calle hide my app list (https://github.com/Dr-TSNG/Hide-My-Applist) and it does what it says. Take a look and let me know if you solve it
[Magisk] jimger:
So far haven't. WIll spend sometime later. But I also installed it on island and still can detect titanium, swiftbackup etc. Not sure which checks santander is using

I have confirmed from non-rooted device, that it detects falsely as rooted when Magisk Manager or Edxposed Manager is installed.

Doesn't seem to care about: Titanium, SwiftBackup, Automate superuser permission, BetterBatteryStats
[Magisk] josehdx:
That is why you can hide such "reading app list permission" with the module i am sharing here :)
[Magisk] jimger:
Yeah I get it. But needs exposed which causes a lot of other problems for me. I have installed lposed but has some kind of se policy error unfortunately. I am just trying to find out how to defeat Santander. Even when Uninstaller magisk manager and edexposed, still was identifying root from island. I am just trying to find out where is the problem...
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Santander works for me with latest canary + edxposed + xprivacylua. need to thick for santander in xprivacylua get applications only.
[Magisk] jimger:
For Santander doesn't work. For Lloyds and Halifax it does. Also when running the test for the module itself, it detects native Access, natives tat and nativeFstat. I don't know what those are. Is it normal?

P. S. Also tried with xprivacyLua. Same thing :@
[Magisk] jimger:
Has anyone an older version of Santander?
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
i have 4.10 (18) if u interested
[Magisk] r0nmlt:
Bank of Scotland's app necessitates freezing Magisk and reboot to work.
[Magisk] jimger:
Can u share it with me? I would like to try it to see if anything is any better. Thanks in advance
[Magisk] dannyw13:
Original post still working for me on Halifax app, with fingerprint too
[Magisk] jimger:
Yeah. Santander is the problem here. Halifax and Lloyds work fine both in island, or by removing/freezing magisk manager
[Magisk] sam00561:
If on miui Santander works by disabling talk back permissions. Basically disable all permissions for everything then works
[Magisk] jimger:
I am on oneplus 6 Android 10..
[Magisk] sam00561:
Then you need xposed and xprivacy module is the only way. I can't go into how you set it all up but you'll find info on Google.
[Magisk] jimger:
I got xposed for that app. I tried both xprivacy Lua and hide my app list. Will try the xprivacy too. I don't know what they are using really
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
on xprivacylua need to thick get applications for santander. it does work for me so should work for you also.
[Magisk] jimger:
Do u have Santander UK? Which version of app? Do u use xprivacy Lua on any other apps (framework etc)?
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
i have the latest UK. i use xprivacy for halifax lloyds and santander uk and some more also. all the app are up to date & latest. no using older versions.
[Magisk] ldyte3:
Damn so after reading all this goodness i thought i had it, got onto the santander app for about 10 seconds nothing detected continue, proceed etc, begin entering my ID and press next then boom 'root detected'. Gutted, thought i cracked it with all of your guys help.

Santander is so good at detecting, Metro bank app is happy with just magisk hide :D.

Any more idea's? When using xprivacy santander auto closes.
[Magisk] Beefheart:
Doesn't work for me. Everything unticked in XprivacyLUA apart from Get Applications. Try to start Santander banking app, force closes after around 2 seconds. Doesn't even get to the device is rooted error with the latest version of the app.
[Magisk] ldyte3:
So to help anyone, i have now got it working here is the info and what i'm running.

Running:

- Poco x3 pro on arrow os

- magisk v23.0

- santander app latest 4.16.0

Things i have:

- Magisk app hidden / renamed just to 'SettingsAppp'. Not that it matters.

- Magisk Hide - ON for santander. (Make sure magisk hide is also on for the isolated process, simply tab on santander in magisk hide after installing the Riru module)

- Riru / Riru core v 25.4.4

- Riru - enchanced mode for magisk hide (I believe it's called riru-unshare).

- Adaway with following sources/domains blocked.

- Renamed MyTWRP folder to MyPRWT (not sure if this is needed but i read somewhere that santander checks files/folders for a folder named TWRP). FYI, TWRP still seems to happily backup to this folder.

# This hosts file contains exported entries from AdAway.
127.0.0.1 cem.lloydsbank.co.uk
127.0.0.1 mupdates.trusteer.com
127.0.0.1 trusteer.com
127.0.0.1 fins.trusteer.com
127.0.0.1 dyknreymc91ut.cloudfront.net

A few tips i have:

If phone reboots give it 2-3 minutes to make sure magisk hide boots up and riru core etc before opening the santander app.

Did have a little blip earlier where root got detected but a wipe of data and cache for santander, a reboot, a 2-3minute wait, then re-sign in and it seems to be all happy again. However it does seem to be stable between restarts as long as you don't click santander straight after launching.

Also side note i'm not using fingerprint on the app, but i am using quick balance.
[Magisk] Beefheart:
Cheers but still no joy for me, done all that but it closes after a couple of seconds without even giving an error.

I think it's because I have XPrivacyLua installed, and there is no way of disguising the app name without disguising all apps, and I reckon the Santander simply won't work if it can't see any apps installed, assuming you're making this happen via root. I also have AFWall installed, another root app. Both this and XprivacyLua are more important to me than the Santander app, so I guess I'm SOL.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
I am pretty sure you have something wrong with your settings. The previous post #483 describing perfectly how to do. I have also lua and Santander works well.
[Magisk] ldyte3:
Yes i had the same thing when i had Xprivacy installed, are you using xprivacy for something else or can you give it a go with xprivacylua uninstalled?

Reboot after uninstall, clear data and cache etc all the usual stuff i'm sure you are trying :).
[Magisk] Beefheart:
Then in which case one of the other root apps I have installed is being detected, AFWall+ for example as I've already pointed out. Or perhaps the fact I'm using a Samsung device (S21 Ultra) is complicating things, it wouldn't be the first time in the last decade or so of using Android phones from various manufacturers I've found that something like this didn't work on a stock Samsung phone that works on a more vanilla device/build.

Regardless it doesn't work, despite the settings being identical to what is stated in the post you reference.

Unfortunately, I'd say XprivacyLua is my most important app and the primary reason I ended up rooting my S21 Ultra. I'd sooner live without the Santander app. Although the previous poster has indicated it works with it anyway so it appears that isn't the reason.
[Magisk] jimger:
Still doesn't seem to work on my oneplus 6 :-( Did the previous stuff. Also have hidemyapps module. Not sure what it detects but something does find root :-(
[Magisk] sam00561:
Hi anyone having trouble with halifax app as of today all things hidden etc but detect root. this app is usually not so bad.
[Magisk] dead0:
no issues with halifax using magisk 23 on crdroid 7.6/poco f2 pro but santander app still detecting root. strangely on my poco f1 with RR no issues with either app (but still using speccy's build of magisk)
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
What has been changed again?

My Santander UK was starting detect root since last few days.

I have latest Canary Magisk + EdXposed + XPrivacyLua. On lua only get applications has been marked for Santander UK. EdXPosed nothing touched. Magisk is hidden and magisk package itself also. Everything was fine until now...

I have not used Adaway at all and Santander was working in last few months with no issue. Lloyds and Halifax still working...
[Magisk] dead0:
similar issue as yourself however santander still working on my poco f1 with A10 but no on my poco f2 with A11
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Strange. I use A11 only A10 have not been using long time...
[Magisk] en666:
Lloydsbank can be workarounded with just magisk hide and magisk rename. Unfortunately it will only last for the current session, so it's just for experimental purposes.

Clean Lloyds app cache and data

Put in aeroplane mode

Start the Lloyds app

It'll tell you that there is no internet, showing a 'try again' button

Remove aeroplane mode and once you have internet again, push the 'try again' button.

The app will now allow you to register your device.

After have registered the device, if now you close the app, the next time the app starts it will realise that the device is rooted and it will immediately de-register your device. You'll need to complete the whole process again.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
I have Havoc ROM with Magisk Canary and XprivacyLua on my OP3T and on my OP8T. On my 8T Santander work well but on my 3T it does detecting root. All the settings are the same. No Adaway at all. Strange.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
It looks like santander has got a new way to detect TWRP as deleting TWRP folder and/or renaming it not enough anymore. On my OP8T working santander with magiskcanary and lua as i have no twrp installed. but on my OP3T does not work as i have twrp installed. All the rest of the settings are same.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Now Santander working but Halifax Lloyds does not...I give up. :mad::cautious::cry:
[Magisk] dead0:
finally managed to get santander working on A11/poco f2 pro along with halifax :)
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Share with me your experience. ;) :D
[Magisk] dead0:
sent you a message as i suspect there are santander employees following the thread :P
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
(y)
[Magisk] jimger:
Can u pm to me too? I am not one of them :P
[Magisk] ‬1‬:
As soon as I hide Halifax app force closes. Any solution? When I go on Termux and hit props it says " system inaccessible or not found"
[Magisk] jimger:
With Halifax j have no problem. Just freeze magisk app. Also clear data of Halifax
[Magisk] cbarai:
How would you know if one of those employees PM'ed you? :unsure:🧐 They could just as easily PM you to get the information you aren't posting here.

Nothing against you or anyone just thought I'd make an observation. Good work to those who have found workarounds etc to get things working.
[Magisk] tyler19820201:
Good question. First of all if the person is not at least senior member or recognized developer that is not too good sign. Also check his/her profile how many comments has got, where he was posting, xp and how long is member here. Myself here over 10 years so i am genuine.

Or not?? :LOL: This things does not give you 100% security but better then nothing, isnt it?
[Magisk] ‬1‬:
When I cleared the data, app doesn't start anymore. It force closes or tapping doesn't respond. I have redownload it and in that case it recognizes the root.
[Magisk] jimger:
Have u freezed magisk manager (with renaming it first) and put Halifax under magisk hide?