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[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
They are doing the same thing OEM have done before. Not to mention that they require to unlock the bootloader is bs.

To be honest, the only reason most devs even get the device is because xda buys it for them. That is why Franco supports the OEM.

I understand that is the way it is in India. That is why I said that it will most likely be developers from there that will need to focus on development. Not to mention that VOLTE is really needed in India and not anywhere else. Nor is it part of open source. So that will take an Indian dev to work on or there will be thousands of posts asking why VOLTE doesnt work. I talked to a few of the lead devs from different teams about the device and I got the same answer from all of them, they have zero interest in the device let alone the OEM. So one of their users will have to get the device and maintain it. Hell most wont even support this oem officially. But then you really cant blame the devs after what this company has done here.

I cant say about the device as I know zero people with the device and there is less then 1% chance that I even know anyone with the device form the OEM. But that could also be part of my job as they are banned along with ZTE and hauwei.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] md-shah:
No 9.0 PIE ports for sd845?

I checked some sd845 phones like op6, mix2s, 5z, they dont have any custom roms based on 9.0. And they dont have too much custom roms like redmi note 5 pro or a1 etc. Can somebody guide me ??
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] destz0r:
Sit down and have some patience, lol. Android Pie just got released, give it some time.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] 3d360:
Yeah bro I was gonna get one too ...Thank god for poco I'm holding my horses for Poco now...And kinda lucky in this situation since being an Indian....

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I'm using Pie on my mi3w with almost full functionality....Irony for pixel users...
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] SingularityHRT3:
I hope this gives some good idea... My Redmi 3S has already got 4 really functional Pie builds and other Xiaomi devices also have such a number but not many other brands have such a record...
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
It doesn't as those are all just ports from other devices. Also building a rom for Xiaomi is not like building a rom for other devices. Xiaomi has a patch build setup you have to use. I mean really. A monkey could build ports for Xiaomi devices.

Either way it doesn't matter to me. Like I said the oem is banned in my job and they will never be sold in my country.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] SingularityHRT3:
All that matters in the end is a working ROM, it can be from an intelligent Monkey or the President... More the number, Better the options... If it is easier to build it for Xiaomi devices that is what We want, not a complicated method ending up in a very few Custom ROMs that too very late in time...
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
See and that is where you are wrong. It's not more the better. It's quality over quantity. It doesn't matter if there are 100 roms if they all suck.

It's not a matter of easier its a matter of less control. But I can tell you are a user so I will just stop here as I don't want to confuse you.

Enjoy.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] rahulkamma14:
You'll definitely get a rom from LineageOS. That is the best out there
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] iamsubhranil:
I beg to differ. If there are 100 non working ROMs then bug detection will be more easier getting reports from a number of different environments. And vice versa in case a bug doesn't occur in a ROM.

If there is 1 ROM, every user has to depend on everything for that particular developer or team, who will not have this much versatile testing environments.

And being at XDA, we're used to buggy ROMs. Most of users here will be willing to sacrifice some stability over the latest and greatest. We're enthusiasts. That's why everything started in the first place.

And talking about ports or original ROMs, who cares? At the end, it is all about being able to use a ROM on a particular device.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] t3chg33k:
From my experience, ports are far more buggier. Also, original development is really essential for stability and performance. Hundreds of reports from ported ROMs are generally not useful as they don't lead to the fixing of issue at source, rather resulting in even more incidental patchwork and bugs. I have in the past flashed custom ROMs on Redmi phones abandoned by Xiaomi and handed them over to acquaintances only to get frequent complaints of crashes and reboots. Sometimes, people just want a stable daily driver and not the latest and buggiest.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] iamsubhranil:
If people want ta steady daily driver, there's always the stock in my opinion.

Anyway let's see in how many hands Poco ends up reaching. A lot of YouTubers in the US and UK already got their hands on it, albeit sponsored by Poco itself. So, who knows?
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
See something you are missing is that roms are not tested here anymore. Long ago devs stopped using users from xda to trouble shoot issues.

You at preaching to the choir. I have been doing this as a dev and a mod for over 10 years.

And just a heads up enthusist don't use this oem. They are the single most hated oem by the devs here. Why do you think you never see main devs use their devices.

Also as stated a ported rom will be far less stable then it being developed for the device.

YouTuber can get it all they want. That means less then nothing.

Just sit back and watch. The only place this decide will be popular is 3rd world countries like India, China and Africa. Outside of there it is just another cheap oem with high failure rates due to them getting their products from product binning.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] rohit25:
Been reading since 3 days... Agree with everything you said and ports aren't development....

Only problem is when I hear 3rd world countries as a counterpoint.... India and China aren't that anymore....
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] mryugin89:
Pocophone will release Kernel source code on 31/08. They already said this.

So obviously... I would know which ROMs will be available
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Saswata Chakraborty:
Even I am regretting my decision of buying Nokia 7 plus. I had to pay INR.300 ($5) just to unlock the bootloader. No custom ROM or Kernel available, not even an official TWRP. Once the initial rush is over, I will probably exchange my Nokia 7 plus with Poco F1 6GB (with 128GB storage).
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] munchy_cool:
I think you are mistaken about Xiaomi and developer support.

check this list out.

https://www.xda-developers.com/android-pie-android-9-port-custom-roms/
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Ali Haide 001:
31?

But in Indian global event they said on 29aug when the phone will up for sale in India on the same day
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Nigam666:
Hey!

Your work or hobby is to comment about devices, it's software, hardware and related things. So for commenting about countries (right or wrong), this is not the right forum. And calling 2 of the world's fastest growing economies as 3rd world counties? Seriously, are you out of your mind or just another ignorant dude from the west?
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] aymahalawa:
You are a retired mod here in xda , Right ?

What happened to your title?!!

And also as per the previous qoutes , the 3rd world has changed my friend , you better re-read about tech !!

I am not from India or China but I think being a developer is not related to your passport !!!!!
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Ace42:
On Gearbeast the global variant is listed with these bands: 4G LTE: B1, B20, B3, B5, B7, B8, B38, B40, B41

I can't see anyone in North America touching it if true. T-Mobile is 2/4/5/12/66/71 and ATT needs 2/4/5/12/17/29/30. Canada uses similar bands if I'm not mistaken.

Edit: According to the WTO China & India are listed as "Asian developing nations". Guessing it's for nations that consider themselves to be developing or something else (?). India was a developing nation in 2017, no clue about its current status.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] :
Take it easy here guys. Please read the definition of 3rd world country:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World

Let's keep the discussion civil.

:)
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] SingularityHRT3:
I never said more the Better, i meant the more Your have the Better options You have and more to choose from and this helps development flourish... I think You should seriously have a look at Redmi devices' development in XDA and compare it with other popular devices around...

Taking into consideration the fact that this device is releasing in 65 countries, I have really High hopes of development and can only feel bad for Your country to not be able to Enjoy this device... I dont think having US out of the list will affect development in any way, considering the past record of Xiaomi devices which never landed there...

If people are worried about bugs in Custom ROMs then They always have the the option to move back to stock MIUI where They can opt for either 2 beta updates a week or almost one stable update a month...

Your comment on 3rd World Countries shows that You should return from Cold War to the present and understand that India and China are two of the largest smartphone markets in the World and India is the fastest growing market considering its population... Atleast We are smart enough to not fall for the "Premium" tag and spend thousands for a device which merely has any performance improvement over the other...

Lets see, in about a month or two I think atleast a couple of really stable Pies will be cooked for Poco...
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
Ok first miui is trash and a wanna be OS. It's the poor man's IOS.

Yes I am aware of the Bing big markets. Bigger doesn't mean better. Mainly not with something like cell phones. Let me explain. The average cell phone sold in India is say about 300 usd. The average sold in the US is about 1000 usd. So how many budget devices need to be sold in China and India to equal to one device sold in the EU or the US.

I am well aware of why is available for them. A bunch of ports of others work. Nothing really impressive to be honest.

As for the premium tag. It does matter. Mainly when a company is using product binning to get their parts. (go a head and look it up. Then you will know how they can get parts for cheap)

Look only time will tell but I can assure you one thing. It will be the same as other Xiaomi devices. So something will be there. But also understand that Xiaomi is seen as the laughing stock of the android world. Nothing but a bunch of copycats that most developers won't even touch due to their history here.

Time will tell.

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It was removed because I spoke out against the portal writer who doesn't like the truth.

What devices are developed for are passed on passport. Because they only develop for devices they buy. And they only buy devices they are gonna use.

I am aware of what a 3rd world country is. I just got back a couple months ago from Pune on on a mission to help. So I am well aware of the issues.

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Ports are not development. It is hacked together.

Quality over quantity. Something alot of people need to learn again.

Also not a single one of them is working completely.

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That is not what I see when a majority of the population is below the poverty line. Like no basic utilities poverty line.

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And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch. I hope great things for this oem. That is why I was the mod that was picked to lead the Xiaomi forums after xda lifted their ban. I was the one that fought with them over the gpl.

I am just waiting for them to do something original. I can't own one of their devices right now due to my job but I still hold out hope that they will be more then an apple wanna be on an android budget.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] PK zuk z2:
Kernel source realeased . I cannot post the link as I am a junior member , it is available on GitHub , in the same branch as mi 8
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] thesoupthief:
[MENTION=1140856]zelendel[/MENTION] "Xiaomi is seen as the laughing stock of the android world."

I don't think that's entirely fair
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] t3chg33k:
Not sure what you were going to achieve posting the link here. The news is on the portal and developers know where to find it.

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The point is that you can have a stable custom ROM if experienced developers are actively working on the device and involved in original development with the support of the OEM. "Go back to stock for stability" is a mindset brought about by ported ROMs which is what Xiaomi users have been subjected to. I hold hope that in the guise of Poco, this device will get some traction from accomplished developers. The real enthusiasts are the ones doing the actual tinkering and releasing their work, rather than those mindlessly flashing the latest release on their device without consideration of real-life utility.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] munchy_cool:
Do you even know what you are talking about. That page which i linked and I will link it again.

https://www.xda-developers.com/android-pie-android-9-port-custom-roms/

this news article is why xda even EXISTS. Without these so called ports (which are compiled from AOSP and pure ports) XDA will be USELESS.

Quantity over quality? Again, do you even know what you are talking about? that article is for multiple devices. many of those aosp compiled roms (which I prefer to call them) are stable and everything works.

I am done talking to you, you dont know what you are talking about.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] r.Ry4N.05:
Just ignore him. He hates Xiaomi and all of their devices, and will blast everyone on every article regarding Xiaomi. Maybe he's just mad that Xiaomi's devices got massive developments while his device doesn't. Why is there a developer with such attitude? Hell, I don't even know what kinda crap he's developing/developed.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] iamsubhranil:
Hey, [MENTION=5302753]Weapon X[/MENTION], please keep your older mods in check. Particularly this one is neither supportive nor helpful and otherwise spamming the whole thread over his pity aggression towards the company.

I think this thread has done its job. The kernel source is up on MiCode along with Mi8 and Mi8 Explorer Edition - so we should get some good answers pretty soon.

If the op agrees, please close this thread.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] :
Speaking out against an OEM is not a rule violation. Please remember you have an "ignore user" feature if you don't want to see someone's posts.

Otherwise, as I said, let's keep this civil.

:good:
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] SingularityHRT3:
All I can smell is hatred... You are just gonna read what You want to so it's basically useless talking anything more than what I and others have already said... May Your device get more development and hope people ever learn anything from You to help the World...
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
actually my devices always get great development. For a few reasons. Im not lazy enough to wait for others to do it and I have the choice of any device I want. No matter the cost. Like right now I have the one plus 3, the 3t as well as the 6 sitting on my desk.

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You have never built a rom for this device have you? It is not like building AOSP for any other device. Go ahead and build a rom and you will see what I mean.

Im not the user here now am I. Its the users that normally have no real idea of what they are talking about. But as this is a developer site that is to be expected really.

Yeah look at that article. or go over the ports you will see not everything is working. Also its a port which means it hacked together which will take time.

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It kinda of is to the developers. They are seen as untrust worthy (due to their history here) as well as an apple wannbe. So you can see why they are seen that way. Maybe one day they will be bale to shake that rep but we will see.

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Lmao that is funny.

Yeah I looked at the kernel source and guess what, as per usual with xiaomi it is not complete and is most likely broken. I will have to wait for the build to finish compiling to know for sure.

edit. Ok didnt have to wait long. Yup its broken. Cant compile with out fixing but that is expected.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] munchy_cool:
LMAO dude, you do hate Xiaomi.

Going by your logic, all custom roms on xda are ports and hacked together. No device other than Google supported devices, compiles clean from AOSP, all of them need hacks which is why xda exists. You are in a class of your own, and I cannot match that.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
Umm no not all devices do. An exmple is that the one plus kernel source builds right out of the box which is required by the GPL which this OEM has failed yet again to follow but that is the story with this oem. Just go ask any of the developers. There is a reason this OEM was not only banned on XDA for decades but is also not really liked by most of the main devs.

YOu know what. Instead of shooting their mouths off why not people try. Until people build their own OS they dont really have al eg to stand on when in thei talk.

Now again I hope this OEM straightens out. But Hope is forsaken with this company.

Also I dont hate any OEM. That is an emotional response to something that means less then nothing in the greater scheme of things. Nor am I weak minded enough to get upset about what people say on the internet.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] munchy_cool:
I agree that pushing broken kernel sources is not good, but GPL is something which an OEM is not BOUND to follow. They can and they should, but you cannot force them.

As for people shooting their mouths, well if you hate this OEM so much why on Earth are you even coming to their sub-forums and commenting? Ignore them and move on dude. Go enjoy your OnePlus. Oh and guess what, OnePlus sucks as well. Dont ask me, ask the devs.

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=76423626&postcount=4158

So, you have bad sides of all OEMs which scare away developers.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Sreekantt:
With all due respect for your work in forum, other than saturated US market- none of the countries have a privilege to get the products at their raw cost including Europe. Every item is sold at 40% excess price and it may go up-to triple the real cost for larger appliances.

This is where Xiaomi comes in offering the products at real cost (price in the originating country). Yes, it may be a copy-cat product but do remember products like Mix & many other smart home appliances which can be categorized as one of its kind.

Heck! Samsung didn't do something spectacular since years in phones except few gimmicks. Same goes with Apple or Pixel except few software AI which is in infancy. I don't care as long as they are honest in their pricing. Not sure what part of Android world they turned as a laughing stock, I never saw hate on Xiaomi phones in XDA except MIUI and some fan boys.

Coming to development, Yes! they may push buggy sources but they're doing much better than their Chinese counterparts who don't even allow to unlock boot-loader/root. I read the complete thread but I didn't get your sentence which was used many times 'most developers won't even touch due to their history here.' Can you please share about that history ? Afaik they went on to be one of the most actively developed phones in XDA history. Phones which you were boasting like ORIGINAL Pixel 2 for its development hardly has 3 ROMS, 2 Kernels which are actively developed. Forget about Galaxy & LG . Yes, they may have so called original development but there isn't any rule on XDA that ported ROMS are illegal. Okkkk!! I get your point. Quality is greater than quantity> I'm using those so called ported ROMS on MI 4, Redmi Note 3, Note 5 pro and never had a single issue other than random bugs which were patched within a week. MI 3/MI 4 still stands as one of the fastest device to get new android versions next to official Pixel release. (Thanks to [MENTION=5162591]Shahan_mik3[/MENTION] & [MENTION=5579787]vasishath[/MENTION] ). My dad who is in his late fifties is using his Redmi Note 3 without a single reboot or any kind of issue with up-to date security patches of Resurrection Remix(Thanks to [MENTION=4206648]alex9yust[/MENTION] and he almost enabled the treble on a device which didn't even get a Nougat update. Wouldn't you call that ORIGINAL development ?). I can go on and on to mention many such cases. It's sad to see such statements coming from a senior MOD. Whatever so called 3rd world developers are doing are also investing their precious time from their busy work day just out of interest.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
I wouldnt go by an ex employees statement really but he has some point. To be honest that dev is not looked at really well in the dev circles.

Now you want to know why this OEM is so hated. Ok well they have been found taking code from developers here and removing the authorship and putting their names instead.

Also yes you can be held legally accountable. The only reason they are not is because they are in china and China respsect no copyrights other then their own. (there is a reason China is known as the country of knock offs)

Its not scaring away its just a flat out refusal to use them. Hell XDA had to even buy Franco one of their devices because he refused to work on any device from this oem for many years.

Once again I dont hate any oem. Not only would that be foolish but really small minded.

As for why I am here. I keep an eye on it to make sure people are enformed as well as to see how they are doing.

Its funny how much people will get their panties in a bunch because someone doesnt agree with them. No wonder our world is going to **** if this is what people get upseet about.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] tejjoshii:
Bought the phone today :)

Damn !!! All these guys with so many post and thanks meter.... I feel like a worthless bug here XD

And i hope someone from team reloaded or others will "port" a good enough aosp rom so that i can leave erase miui asap
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] munchy_cool:
bad mouthing another dev, just goes on show something.

as for people getting there panties in a bunch, the same can be said for you considering how you are reacting. And guess what, you are the one who is upset about Xiaomi, not me. I brought up your OnePlus when you were going all gaga about them.