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[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
See the the thing is they are not honest. Look into product binning. Ill give you a run down. A chips OEM will make batches. Say 3 batches came out and 2 of the 3 had 1 in 5 failure rate. The last batch had a 3 in 5 failure rate. They dont throw the 3rd patch away. They sell it at cheap prices to oems like ZTE and xiaomi. You can look in the forums and see failure rates alot higher then any other device.

The prices for devices is due to people. If people pay it then the companies will charge it.

I cant say that I have. As their products are not sold in my country and my job doesnt allow me to own anything from them for security reasons.

To be honest. Most of the devices here only have 3 OG roms (the rest are what we call kitchen sink roms, pretty much just a bunch of cherry picks on top of other roms) there are only 3 or 4 real project teams on xda that do original work.

You are right. There is no rule stating that ports are not allowed. And for many devices that dont get alot of development it is great.

As for their history. Well their GPL violations are a well known thing. What might not be as well known is them taking the code from other developers and changing the authorship. This was part of the reason they were banned on this site for a long ass time. Then I was brought in to cover the OEM because I knew the most about them and have worked with them directly.

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Actually I think One plus is just bearly better then xiaomi. These are devices I just happen to get to work on. Like most developers here my daily isnt even an android device. Im not bad mouthing anyone. The truth is the truth. Its neither good nor bad.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] munchy_cool:
Agree with everything you said there. and yes, the consumer is being fooled everyday, but that's how it works. you get what you pay for. That being said, I will end this discussion from end by saying.

It was a great discussion and no hard feelings :) see you around.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Sreekantt:
Sad to see that you didn't mention One plus in that batch which is also one such Chinese OEM and sister of the world's greediest company OPPO. Anyways, you made some good points I happily agree if they were really true. Stealing a code is completely wrong if it is true(I donno much as I started to use XDA from 2015 and never heard of such allegations in MI 3 forum) and I completely agree to it and can't comment more. People make mistakes and hope they won't repeat again.

As far as quality is concerned and batches, Do you think 1 billion of people who thought Chinese products as dummies once upon a time along with westerners change their minds and make them the best seller with such high failure rate ? It's definitely not the price, There were multiple OEMs like Yureka, Micromax which did that trick and utterly failed due to quality issues and people is South east eventually stopped buying them. You can't comment on a device without physically using it. Btw, just a fun question...Did you ever hear about MI smart home appliances and the praise they get for value & quality from North American shoppers ?
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
I didn't mention many Chinese oems. But you are right. All budget devices do it. That's how they can get 845 chips when Samsung bought all off the top of the line chips.

Can't say I have as you can't buy their decides without shipping it into the states. They tried a US based site and it failed badly. Not to mention my job has an on them.

People were happy buying Micromax (I also have history with them) it was even I that found out and informed most people that they are just rebranding Chinese cool pads.

The almost of people that buy it really done mean much when they really have almost no other real options. I mean what people pay for flagship grade devices in Asia and India as well as other places like that, Africa, South America and such is crazy. If they tried that in the states they would go out of business real fast.

Yeah you would not have heard about it to be honest. Many things of this nature are kept between mods and devs and users seldom hear about it.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] SingularityHRT3:
Even I got one ordered today... Hopefully it will reach in a couple of days... Atleast a working port, who cares about the tag "original development"... All We need is what We like...

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I think people worried about quality and security should live a nomad's Life, thats way Better... Atleast then They wont make others feel like They are a fool while Themselves who can afford 3 One Grand devices as God...
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Sreekantt:
Yeah broo. I ordered it too. Glad I didn't buy from any carrier with BOGO offer or the phone which is bloated by carrier. Glad such stupid offers on phones with bloatware don't exist in our third world nations. We aren't too much carrier dependent and carriers don't rule the market offering low costs on phones and locking the bootloaders to just spy on their users.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
How people feel due to words spoken is their own issues. You shouldn't feel anything about a tool or a website. These are inanimate objects.

You are right. I can afford them hut that is because I work for it and long ago we as a people made a stand that mediocre we not acceptable. I look forward to the day that everyone can get the latest flagship at good prices.

Oh and for those with the carrier crap. I buy all my devices full retail. And have for over a decade.

Look it all comes down to personal standards.

Now let me give everyone a bit of advice. Stop taking things so personally. While it's kinda funny it is kinda sad as well. It's a phone. From a company. That in the end means nothing. It doesn't matter if you use a Xiaomi, LG, Samsung or an Apple device. These are things that don't matter.

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Considering the oem in question. Spying on their users comes with the oem. It's well known they upload your data to Chinese servers owned by the Chinese military.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Sreekantt:
That's the reason XDA, Lineage exists and they allow us to do it unlike Huawei and some carriers in west :) Btw, nobody is a fanboy here bro but as a company we respect Xiaomi in few aspects which only Non American can understand. Anyways our data is not ours anymore once it leaves our local network- After all we use phones made my Google which is the specialized company for such services.

Nice talking to you :) I don't hate anybody but just hates/rants when credit is not given to the deserved- that can be either devs who are here out of interest or a company(until it goes rogue). It was nice to hear a different perspective from you.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
Oh there are fan boys here. It's human nature but that us besides the point.

I know the bootloader issue is a sore subject but even the xda owners see (we have spoken about this at length and it's the reason for the sudden push for development) custom roms are dying off due to security. An unlockable bootloader is a security nightmare.

Yes you do use a Google device and your privacy is at risk but I ask you this. Who would you rather do it. A free nation or a Communist one (the Chinese military ties the CEO of Xiaomi has) this is why this oem is banned by my job.

I completely support developers working on the device (not porting roms mind you) I even help a member of my rom team (not on xda) that support their devices.

Do explain as I'm only American by birth and be a use I'm not allowed to leave. I pledge nothing to any country. So please explain those aspects. I'm always open for honest and open talks. Which are rare in the world of triggered fan boys that don't like being told anything they don't agree with.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] r.Ry4N.05:
Calm down, you cranky old geezer / keyboard warrior / whatever. If you don't like Xiaomi and their devices, just go somewhere else. XDA is a big place. Why are you even here in the first place if you don't like the phone at all? I guess there's no other place to feed your anger and hatred.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] munchy_cool:
I guess the aspects about India being talked are the fact that Xiaomi, Micromax, etc etc brought affordable smartphones to India. If you see the price of an iPhone in India, and compare it to a someone's monthly income, iPhone will cost more in most cases. Same goes for most top of the line smartphones. This is the reason why OnePlus is popular in India, affordable phone with high end specs.

Xiaomi is doing the same with the Poco phone, they know it will succeed in India. 15,000-25,000 seems like a sweet spot in India. The competition in that price range is enormous. Pretty sure Xiaomi has 3-4 devices in that range. Same goes for Oppo, Huawei, Vivo. Strange thing is Oppo, One Plus and Vivo, all owned by BBK go head to head in the same markets. Why? the common man does not know that, neither do they care. They want options, affordable options. Heck, the mediatek devices being sold in India like hot cakes. No one, and no one cares to buy them here in the States.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
Yeah and there is the problem. I make many trips a year to India on out reach programs. I just got back from Pune a bit ago and will be heading out there again soon.

That is the majority of the issue. The sheer fact that people in India and other 3rd world and developing countries can't afford to be on the same level. But people get mad when they want to be seen as being on the same level but really aren't. Tech wise.

It all comes down to the standard that the people are willing to accept.

As for mtk. Well they have copyright issues as well as connections to the Chinese communist military. So importing them is not really easy.

But you nailed it right on the head. The average person does care. Greed and huberous will be the down fall. Hell it took years before countries like India even found out that companies like Micromax were rebranded Chinese devices and were reporting back to the Chinese military.

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Un bunch your thong and read things again.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] SingularityHRT3:
Sorry Sir, Mr [MENTION=1140856]zelendel[/MENTION] but it happens only when You don't target anyone personally... Talk about Me, My Country and I will take it personally... I have Lived such a Life... I am sorry if You don't understand My feelings, but atleast try to understand why You are standing alone with so many people against Your thoughts... If You still don't get it, no one can help You... Its just funny how easily You do so much to people's feelings and not care about it at all... Well Done...
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
I don't target people personally. As for your country. I am all for country pride but not by ignoring the issues that are there. I'll be the last one to say America is great. It has its issues just like all countries.

As for your feelings. Well that is your problem. If you allow yourself to be mentally and emotionally manipulated by text you are reading on a screen then I would suggest taking a deep look at one's self.

Also don't bother using the mention system.. I like most of the older mods and devs have it turned off.

Really shouldn't take thing so personally man. Here is a song to explain it.

https://youtu.be/Ita4g_oDyns
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] munchy_cool:
yeah man, India is a different market all together. No carriers pushing any device or contracts, buy outright. Now, buying outright is an important factor. If carriers in States stopped leasing phones and people were asked to shell out $1000 or $800 for a phone, I am pretty sure more people will start looking for budget phones. It's how the market is, can't blame the companies as for meeting the needs of Indian consumer.

So tech wise, Xiaomi and other companies are providing latest tech at a decent price hence they sell like hot cakes. It's not about a standard in India, it's about affordability. You also need to remember a few things. Phones get stolen very often, and unlike US you cant get the IMEI blocked because they dont have a shared database. heck, phones marked as stolen in US, sell on eBay and are used in third world countries with no issues. Second thing, unlike in States two wheelers are a form of commuting, and when it rains many smartphones breath their last breath. Now, with these two points in mind, would you buy a $800 phone or a $300 phone?

PS:- Can't beat Indian food, if you can handle the spices :)

End Note.

Every country has it's flaws and the good things. Once you accept those, you can try to bring about a change.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
First the food isn't that spicy but I eat ghost chili's for a snack. But you are right it is good. There is this one restaurant I go to that makes a killer masla.

You are preaching to the choir. I have been paying full retail for my devices since 2005.

Not really. I half own a retail cell phone shop and you would be amazed how often people come in and pay out right for Devices. Mostly Iphones but you see the point

People in the US will always go for the top of the line. It's just the standard of living. Hell we spend more then we make almost moths before we make it lol.

Can't say I have ever known a device to be stolen by anyone I know. But I know it happens in other countries alot. Let people start carting guns there and that will lessen it lol. OK that was a joke but you get the point. The imei is not a big deal really. It is easily changed. Illegal to do so but easy. So black listing really doesn't help. It's also not cross carrier so their is that.

As for the rain. I have never had a phone die because it was wet. That is just irresponsible to be honest. And shows a lack of respect for the devices.

Now people can get their panties unbunched. And stop taking things so personal.

In case English is lost on people. Here is the bottom line. I want everyone to have access to the best of the best and not have to settle.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] SingularityHRT3:
Music makes things Better...

Anyway, I am not even affected by words directly, texts make no difference... So all talks here makes no difference as I already have a Poco F1 and will be waiting to get a ROM running in it and testing out to report bugs and be helpful somehow...

Peace ☮️
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
Good. You shouldn't let what is said on line upset you. It's all meaningless. I mean who rally care what's someone on the other side of the world says or even thinks for that matter. The only things that matter to people are what is going n in their own little worlds.

A perfect example was that rugby team that got trapped in a cave. No one I knew even knew about it and those that did didn't care about it.

So good luck with your device and I hope it really holds up. I know the kernel source is broken but that will be fixed.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Sreekantt:
OMG...Noooo! They're just sold to noob selfie centric offline customers. Many people avoid Mediatek here. It takes a lot to understand Indian market bro.

Yeah, partially you are correct mate. Boasting about my country would be the last thing I do because I would be the first person to hate it as academics really suck.

Coming to standards, money blah blah...It needs a lot to understand the diversity in market here. I can make you guys understand one day if I can spare some time and would love to exchange few things.

Funny fact before I sign off for today - Majority of households go and buy 4000 USD Sony X930E, Samsung Q7Fs, LG OLEDs in India without giving a second thought which is priced at approx 1000 USD in US. Why ? You wouldn't see a single middle class home without Samsung, Sony, etc home appliances which actually costs triple in India compared to US due to ****ty dealers. I would leave you guys to guess and I will really try to find some time to write about this interesting topic in my blog during a break and personally message you guys.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] munchy_cool:
Academics in India suck. Well, I guess then those IITs and IIMs are not worth the salary packages their students get. Anyone who is talented will make their way up to the top no matter which country they are in.

As for a TV worth a 1000 bucks, well do note show off is a thing as well. Plus, it's the whole family which watches TV, unlike a mobile phone which is personal, so it does make sense to spend more on a quality TV.

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next time I need a used phone, I might hit you up via PM if you dont mind :D
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Sreekantt:
IITians have to clear the toughest exam in the under graduate world competing with 2 million students for 10k admits to get into those universities which is whole different level. Majority of students who have a genuine interest towards the subject in IITs go into research around the world in contrast to few CS guys who prefer packages and it depends. A confusing topic to discuss what so ever. We can't conclude in a single paragraph. By the term academics, I meant the selection process, way of tackling a subject, students/parents attitude towards a subject etc. IITs are a gold standard next to Ivy leagues if you work close to professors instead of being a regular college student amidst the limitless opportunities. (First hand experience :p )
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] munchy_cool:
Your talking about selection criteria, reservations, everyone wanting to be an engineer or doctor etc etc. That's not academics, but yeah I do get what your saying and I agree.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] ydd0ras:
Absolutely, agreed mate. I do live in Germany and buying phones like the Pixels for me and my family is a no go. On the one hand, we can't afford it. On the other hand I fail to see why I should buy a device which costs 600$. And by the way, I don't like Google (want a google-free phone and don't want to share my complete life with them) and I don't want to support them. Same goes with Samsung, Apple, MS and others. So, 4 years ago I purchased my 1st Xiaomi (reluctantly left my HTC HD2s) for 150$. OK, honestly MIUI was never my favourite, but it worked reliably. Then came all the good custom ROMs. And the Mi 2a, Redmi 3, Mi 4......and finally the Mi A1.

At this point I don't want to talk about Xiaomi; e.g. their support (which is definitely not good).

I am not a developer, so I am always dependent. And so far, I have found for nearly each Xiaomi device good, stable and reliable ROMs - ports or not. And yes mate I have been using ROMs from [MENTION=5162591]Shahan_mik3[/MENTION] / [MENTION=5579787]vasishath[/MENTION] for a very long time (and using the AOSP 9.0.0 on my cancro atm). Now using ROMs from [MENTION=6070905]abhishek987[/MENTION] on my mido and tissot.

And are these ROMs bad, unstable? No, they are fantastic and suitable for a daily usage. Further with such ROMs I have the freedom of choice; gapps, microG, no gapps - whatever I want.

For me it is a nice hobby and a pleasure to test all this stuff (btw, I am in the early fifties xD) and admire all this efforts and enthusiasm of these developers. And then make a donation here and there.

I really do not agree with many Xiaomi moves, but I am fine with some of their devices, especially in terms price/performance ratio. My wife and my kiddies too. The almost of my buddies as well.

So, if there are some custom ROM development or porting on the horizon, I will buy the Poco for sure!
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] PrathaM X:
Custom ROMs are ok, but i think we will lose features like infrared face unlock if we get Android Pie as it doesn't have native support ?
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
From the looks of the source, you are right. This is the case with aosp though. You lose all the device unique options and features. Sure they may be ways to hack them in but not as well done.

For the facial rec. That will be an issue as each oem does it differently and uses different kinds of sensors. Sure you may get it kinda working but for a while it will be buggy.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] xuser_:
guys,

I hope everyone knows that ported are not always buggy but are more prone to bugs and could be slow due to the hacks

while rom from sources are tend to be very stable(may be better than stock except proprietary software( like camera, IR etc.)

I would like to know if someone can confirm if the released sources for the device is booting?

Who all great devs got this device at XDA, any idea?

Thanks
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] sksadh:
Hey grandpa is here, I have been following you on mi community for 1.5 years now. You have been very clear and precise every time when you get into any discussion, At this post I tottaly agree with you.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] ydd0ras:
Many thanks mate. This is simply my point of view and I love serious and friendly discussions.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] rahulkamma14:
Bro I also shifted from Mi3 cancro to Poco F1 beryllium. I have seen you many times in custom rom threads.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] ydd0ras:
Thx mate. In the meantime I have lot of other Mi devices like the mido and tissot or even a Redmi Note 4G in my "museum". But I will buy the poco as well. There is something fascinating on this device. First I thought about a Mi 8 SE, but no Band 20, headphone jack and i assume no custom ROMs in future.
[OnePlus 6 Questions & Answers] lilmeanz:
Hello I'm waiting to purchase op6 t never owned OP phone. Wondering if I screw up trying unlock bootloader, rooting etc is it a easy fix? Just asking ahead of time and reading thru forums. Any tips greatly appreciated.
[OnePlus 6 Questions & Answers] tabletalker7:
Honest answer is wait for the 6t and see if someone figures it out.
[OnePlus 6 Questions & Answers] speedyjay:
If your device is ever soft bricked but you can still access TWRP - you can sideload OOS using fastboot "adb sideload *rom name.zip*. If sideloading fails, you can "adb push *rom name.zip* /data/media/0".
[OnePlus 6 Questions & Answers] daleski75:
It's next to impossible to brick the oneplus 6 however.... NEVER EVER relock the bootloader with a custom recovery that's the only way I know of which WILL brick your phone.
[OnePlus 6 Questions & Answers] iElvis:
Despite what you may have read, this is an easy phone to root and mod, it just works differently from other phones, particularly non-A/B phones. This is what has a lot of people salty and frustrated because they don't want to change from the way they think things "should" work.

I don't know of anyone here who has hard-bricked. There is an unbrick tool that works well.
[OnePlus 6 Questions & Answers] matze19999:
also this wont brick your phone. snapdragons are unbrickable.
[Sprint LG G5 Questions & Answers] AlbertN94:
Hi, ive read a couple of threads to unlock the sprint lg g5, in my case the hiddenmenu call apk doesnt show all the options, and i understood this may be because of my software version, is there some way of downgrade o change the software version? Is the ZVF the latest? Thanks!
[Sprint LG G5 Questions & Answers] Pranavchandra27:
Yes this is the latest security update, and there is no possibility to downgrade it