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[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] thesoupthief:
I got curious and just called them- turns out they launched their 4g coverage last Tuesday, so we're both right!
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] heinhuiz:
I don't know where you are from, [MENTION=7524112]ayyaliens[/MENTION], but I have bought tons of stuff from many Chinese suppliers and never had any problem. Sometimes delivery can take long, but most of the time it's here in two weeks. I only had to pay customs once, when I let them sent through DHL. Local carriers are best, or PostNL. Tracking is always there up to departure by plane. With PostNL I can track packets up to my doorstep.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] ayyaliens:
You have to pay import tax/customs on every item you buy that ships from non-EU-countries. Should a product you ordered from a non-EU country arrive at your home and you did not have to pay customs you need to tariff it yourself by driving to the customs office otherwise you are committing tax fraud. That is what every China shop fails to mention for their own convenience, if authorities find out you did not pay import tax/customs on an item you bought the responsibility is entirely on you.

I just want people to be aware of that.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] P650SE:
eGlobal Central have it for £260 with code JBUY599. I don't think there's any customs tax when buying from this store if you're based in the UK.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] heinhuiz:
[MENTION=7524112]ayyaliens[/MENTION]: You're funny.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] ayyaliens:
I see a lot of people in here redirecting people to Sunsky/Gearbest/Banggood without mentioning the possible risks involved.

No, I don't think tax evasion is "funny".
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] temorin_:
I ordered the armored edition from Sunsky few days ago, and they're still out of stock. I talked with the sales representative and turns out that they change the shipping invoice to be 20% of the original value to try to avoid the custom charges. You can even change the shipping invoice yourself, changing the value even more, or even changing it to a completely different item with a different value. This is surely not legal, but it's China. I ordered mine via Omniva shipping option, so i'm not sure if i will have to pay the custom charges at all, but i might just cancel the order. The phone will be available *almost* globally in a few days (i think), so there's no reason to order from China and risk paying a lot more than you would have just ordering from official stores. The phone will be like 300-330eur for 64gb version, and 360-400eur for 128gb.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Skinpipe:
Calm down her majesty' revenues and customs! I bought a 5t from geekbuying and paid 15 import tax because of how THEY labelled the package, if you wanna call customs and tell them I owe more than that for it, then go ahead, you are funny?

Also I used dhl express with tracking for 12 pound sterling, I knew where it was from China to the UK every step of the way, you don't know what your talking about
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] ayyaliens:
Yet you'll quickly notice most cheap China shops don't offer DHL Express as a shipping option, which is exactly what I have claimed in my post, nothing more. Your anecdotal experience doesn't change the fact many of these Chinese shops practice tax evasion.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Mike02z:
Ooops. I see this thread is for UK buyers :)
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Skinpipe:
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[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] heinhuiz:
Oh no sweety. You come here stumbling in complaining that (and I quote): "People never learn" that buying from China is dangerous. Next you want to induce your moral principles into the dumbheads that even responded to your post and proved you wrong: they should report their purchases to the tax office. And now this. You are funny.

I'm looking forward to your next contribution. I hope it will be helpful. Just to show that you're not only funny, but actually want to contribute to the community.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] ayyaliens:
Yet both of you failed to prove me wrong. I don't care what and where you spend your money but I want people who have no experience with Chinese shops to be aware of the possible risks involved when purchasing there, most customs offices in the EU have an agreed period of 10 years to retrieve import/tariff tax from your past purchases and they are certainly not foolish when checking their data sets.

Contributing to the community for me means that people purchasing at Gearbest and other similar Chinese shops are aware of the very real possibility to find a letter from the criminal police office in their mailbox.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Skinpipe:
I wasnt trying to prove you wrong, I owe tax on my 5t according to you, I just need to wait for a letter from "the criminal police office" I paid 15 pound based on the value being 55 pound so as far as customs are concerned the correct amount has been paid they don't know it was more expensive, stop obsessing about tax.

"criminal police office" amazing ?
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] heinhuiz:
€308 on SunSky.

I'm waiting for the 256GB armoured.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] ayyaliens:
Just ordered one from Alternate for 311 € with shipping, should be here tomorrow or Friday.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Timmmmaaahh!:
Hot dang! Is this true for Belgium as well? Then I'm a downright criminal! :eek:

I've read official sale date for Poco is tomorrow, right? I guess we'll know more about official prices and resellers then.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] andrgr:
Do you have a idea why on Sunsky the device ist listed in armoured with 6GB/64GB and 6GB/128GB? Is this a wrong information? In no other shop i can find the device in the armoured edition with less then 256GB.

I would love to get this very nice smartphone with 64GB or 128GB with the kevlar look, but i'm afraid it will be only available with 256GB storage.

Maybe some of you have more information? I really love the kevlar look. :)
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Timmmmaaahh!:
Poco is hinting a pretty solid kevlar case themselves which probably doesn't require buying the kevlar version. Just look at the first picture way at the bottom on poco.net.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] thesoupthief:
Go on, I'll take the bait...

How confident are you that this will be tax compliant? That price point certainly seems to exclude tax, despite much of Alternate's products (couldn't see the Poco F1 on their site) including their Xiaomi stock being advertised as shipping from the EU (so presumably, with duties prepaid)
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] heinhuiz:
Because he is lying. Only alternate.be lists it, for €349, expected delivery time 8 working days.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] thesoupthief:
Oh! I get it! He's trolling!

Should have spotted that. Sorry, my troll-fu is weak today

Fwiw, Alternate.be mentions that the €349 price includes VAT at 21%

Alternate.es €344

Now on alternate.co.uk for £309

alternate.de for €329

However, a bit of googling found that you can knock that german price down to €304 if you pay with MasterCard and use the offer code Masterpass25

All these claim to ship from within the EU, so no duty should be payable. Jus' sayin'

SunSky has pulled its listing for the armoured 6/64gb version.

It's prices for the other versions are fluctuating a bit, which is odd
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] gn0s1s:
in regards to the lte bands sunsky lists them as : FDD-LTE: B1/3/5/7/8/20 which reflect what is on the the poco.net specs listing.

But looking on frequency check they are listed as : this

Which shows band 4 support along with 12 and 17. Is this a different version from the one sunsky is selling? and if so, where is it available. Or is this just an error.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] heinhuiz:
I have found errors in the specs for many devices on frequencycheck.com, so I tend to believe what poco.net says. That is also what is in many reviews, and B1/3/5/7/8/20 is pretty standard for Xiaomi devices these days.

I'm not sure if their country specs are better, for my own country they are correct.

Normally, I would use https://willmyphonework.net/, but the Pocophone is not listed there yet.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] gn0s1s:
Yeah that's what I figured. I was hoping that there was an India version and a global version with more LTE bands. Similar to the Taiwanese redmi note 5 that has several extra bands used in North America. If only the jade mix 2s was poco priced :)
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] munchy_cool:
the interesting thing to note is, Poco F1 will be launched in Mexico and Colombia. Those 2 countries run on LTE bands 2 and 4. So either Xiaomi has a different product for them, or bands are locked via software.

We need someone with an unlocked bootloader to test it out for us.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] gn0s1s:
That's a very interesting insight, I wasn't aware of the LTE bands in Mexico or Colombia. That would be great if they were just locked and hidden away, especially since poco has open bootloader policy
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] munchy_cool:
yeps, i did create a new thread for that discussion.

https://xdaforums.com/poco-f1/help/poco-f1-lte-bands-unlock-t3835467

will still take minimum 15days for someone to figure it out, as bootloader unlock is possible after 360hrs for non Android One Xiaomi phones starting with Redmi Note 5.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] chaoscreater:
I've used Sunsky in the past, maybe like 10 years ago. They've been around for a while now, they're legit. You can always do a credit card chargeback or pay through Paypal if you're unsure. I'm waiting for their prices to drop down though. There was a 15% off coupon code for Poco F1 on Sunsky like 3 days ago but I missed out....
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] heinhuiz:
If it is band 4 that is important to you, you might also want to look at the Mi A2 Lite. It also has a large screen, big battery, 3.5mm headphone jack, and I like the dedicated microSD slot. Snapdragon 625 is getting a bit old but is still fast and very battery efficient, and it is a lot cheaper than the Pocophone.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] ytgbg:
Global version 6/64 is now life on Aliexpress On Mi Authorized Store for $329:

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/pr...l?spm=2114.12010611.8148356.57.f2e67cd5BytUxA
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] tuntun2526:
Nice, thank you for sharing.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] smokemeakipper:
I order a poco F1 64gb in steel blue last week on sunsky last week. Today I notice the 128gb model on there for only £8 more. I asked if I could cancel and reorder. Within 30 minutes I had my PayPal account credited..... Not bad service. I reordered the 128gb model. I asked regarding lead times. I was told 15 to 20 days for that percific model.

Model number MPH6520H poco F1 black 64gb will be in stock next week.

Regards.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] temorin_:
It appeared in Lithuanian stores as well few hours ago. For 64gb model prices range from 385.99eur to 468.99eur. Yep, definitely will order from somewhere else
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] P650SE:
It's difficult knowing what to do at the moment. I don't think I should order from Skysky because there'll be a lot of waiting if it has to come from Hong Kong, during which time I'll practically be tearing my hair out until it arrives. :crying: And there is also a risk of import tax when entering the UK. eGlobal seems like a better option but I noticed they just bumped up the price of the 128GB model to £293 which is a bummer. It would be best to purchase it from somewhere like Amazon, but knowing them it will cost 20% more which is not something I am prepared to do.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Undead_Son:
http://www.skytech.lt/pocophonef164...080x2246-ips-octacore-4x28ghz-4-p-404698.html

https://www.inida.lt/E-parduotuve/M...BILE-PHONE-POCOPHONE-F1-64GB-BLUE-XIAOMI.html
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] gn0s1s:
yeah a2 lite is way to big of a downgrade. might as well get a mix 2 with the price drope, or mi note 2 even, both which would out perform battery and camera wise. I was hoping poco being international focused would go through widevine l1 certification but it seems that isn't the case which is a big drawback as well. will probably just wait and see if the r17 pro is the basis for the new oneplus 6T, mix 3 mechanism doesnt look drop friendly was hoping they went the nex s route instead of find x
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] heinhuiz:
Afaik, none of the Xiaomi devices is L1 certified, so don't expect it on the Mix 3. If that is a priority for you, the 6T might prove hard to resist. I doubt you can really (consciously) notice the difference watching a movie on a 6" IPS panel, but that is a personal choice. For me, because I'm traveling a lot, screen size and dpi, dual sim, memory size, battery life and durability are the major concerns. My phone is my office, not my entertainment centre.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] heinhuiz:
On AliExpress the prices seem to be fixed, they are exactly the same in all stores.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] satanius:
I've just ordered it from Honorbuy, great price and shipping from EU warehouse.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] XblackdemonX:
The "Global version" doesn't have LTE band 4 and 17 does it?
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] munchy_cool:
doesnt mention it.

we need someone with a rooted device to check if they can be enable via software.

https://xdaforums.com/poco-f1/help/poco-f1-lte-bands-unlock-t3835467
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] XblackdemonX:
Thanks a lot! :highfive:
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] jachu138:
Did someone order armoured version form sunsky. There i see armoured versions of every memory variant and its only for $332. I heard that armoured version will be availble only in 8GB + 256GB configuration. Also on banggood and gearbest only this versions have kevlar backplate. Additionally I've got coupons for POCO F1 on banggood where today best price was $309,99 for 6GB + 64GB but this is preorder expected 20 September for me in Poland. https://couponsfromchina.com/2018/0...6-64gb-global-black-hk-coupon-price-gearbest/

Also i highly recommend this page couponsfromchina https://couponsfromchina.com/?s=poco where you can get a lot of flash sales coupons for banggood and gearbest.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] P650SE:
Are there any UK buyers here who have ordered the Pocophone from eGlobal Central or TobyDeals? Please could you share your shipping estimates?

I noticed that on TobyDeals it states that the red version will be shipping in mid-September. Yet the other colours it does not show this message. Therefore I am wondering whether or not the black and blue colours will be shipping immediately. I have sent a message to TobyDeals but it would be good if anyone knows in the meantime. :)
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] thesoupthief:
Interesting idea from sagematt here - anyone with an F1 might try changing their region / language to Espanol (Mexico), just to see if LTE band 4 is enabled. Probably won't be, but worth checking before investing loads of work in QPST
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Klanac89:
Not true
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] temorin_:
Are there any EU shops that offer a red model for a reasonable price?
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] munchy_cool:
red model will go on sale in September end-October first week. Even if you get a pre-order in, it will ship in September end only.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] smokemeakipper:
Just noticed that the 64gb steel blue is available on sunsky.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] temorin_:
After sunsky ran out of armored models, i asked for a refund, and that was on Tuesday or Wednesday, and i only got it now. Almost had to fight them for it. Wouldn't recommend that shop, also for the possibility of having to pay taxes if caught by customs. There are many shops that sell the phone, but it seems that most of them are already out of stock, at least the ones i find, that ship from EU.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Damoedge:
I wouldn't be so hard on Sunsky...I ordered the wrong color black instead of blue I contacted them and within the same day my order got sorted out...but I was told that I would have to wait until the end of September but it has been shipped since last Thursday Woooooooohooooooooo!

Use shipping method Post NL to avoid paying customs and taxes in the EU ??

Also they have the best price I got mine for 280 but I think that was the very first day it was listed on there ;)
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] smokemeakipper:
Eglobalcentraluk has stock. They ship from Europe. I've never used them but my friend has a number of times with no problems. . I've asked for a refund from from sunsky as Eglobalcentraluk has stock of the steel blue 128gb. 6 to 8 days. £268.84. Postage is included in the cost.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] temorin_:
Eglobalcentraluk ships only to UK areas, so that won't work for me unfortunately. They have really good prices, the black 128gb is even cheaper than 64gb. Cheapest in my country, that is available right now, is 358eur. Wondering if it's worth getting it right now or look for more options from EU, which at the moment isn't looking too good, with everything being out of stock or more expensive than locally
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] smokemeakipper:
Eglobalcentraleu has 128gb black for €312.54 in stock. There are 7 eglobalcentral Web stores. Think they ship to most places.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Optimus_Otus:
Thats cool to hear! I am also looking to buy the phone from sunny and deliver to the NL. Can you elaborate plz on why you can avoid taxes etc with post NL. I was actually thinking of DHLexpress for delivery *faster.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Damoedge:
There you go...I wrote about this already ;)
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] cloud1:
Anyone seen the 8GB/256GB version available?
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Optimus_Otus:
Thx man!!! Appreciate it. Can you also track your mail with Post NL?
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Damoedge:
Yes usually you can and it takes about 2 weeks to Europe
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Optimus_Otus:
I also saw that sunny will have the Armoured Edition soon, however they say its 6GB+64GB???? https://www.sunsky-online.com/product/default!view.do?subject.itemNo=MPH6520AE

Officially this edition is launching with 8GB+256GB, https://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/ne...9999-first-sale-flipkart-mi-com-india-1911281

Might this be a fake?
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] thesoupthief:
SunSky have run some pretty hinky preorder ads for the F1 over the past week or so with some big mistakes which they've corrected a day later. I'm guessing it's a boob and will be put right
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] pmjoc:
This does look like the best option to ship from within the EU that I have seen so far.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] nickislauw:
Can you tell us when you receive your Pocophone from sunsky? I'm also tempted to order from them since I can ship with PostNL but I don't know if theres really no customs/tax involved and how fast they ship. Keep us posted mate!
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] pmjoc:
I see tweets & videos about a process to unlock the bootloader, is this needed to change the launcher on the phone, for something like the google now launcher?
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] nickislauw:
I just ordered the blue version from Sunsky with PostNL! Will let you know how it arrives and stuff
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Damoedge:
Roughly about 3 weeks or less mate...last year I bought a high tech drone from China and it was shipped with Post NL and to my surprise it was here in 10 days! No customs no nothing because if I had to pay them it would have been near the 100 mark ??
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] nickislauw:
Nice man! So you didn't receive your Pocophone from Sunsky yet? I'm curious if you have to pay taxes or not. Let's stay in contact with each other??
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Damoedge:
I haven't got it yet know...and yes I'll let you know...but I think it's only just left the warehouse from tracking number..not post NL fault...
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] lilicaull:
I`m from Romania. Where will the phone be shipped from ? Can i avoid taxes this way ? import taxes i mean
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Skinpipe:
I bought from sunsky and used DHL express it took 3 days to the uk from dispatch and I had to pay £21 import tax, the package was labelled as being worth 66usd
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] thesoupthief:
I emailed eglobal central at the start of the week asking about whether I'd be obliged to pay tax and duty on an F1 from them and got the following reply:

"With regard to your query, we would like to confirm that orders placed on our site, are shipped out from our Hong Kong Warehouse as we are a Hong Kong Based company. The invoice we send is based only on the price of the item, any tax or vat amount will not be indicated on the invoice

However, we ship our orders with special logistics arrangement and therefore all you will need to pay is the prices on website, no VAT, import fees nor hidden charges involved for the customer on any order. Any VAT or customs duties incurred will be settled by eGlobaL. The price you see on the website is the final price you pay for the product.

Hereby, we confirm that we will settle VAT, related taxes and custom charges"

They stop short of stating that they have paid the duties and it seems as if the EU warehouse bit is a fib (when I went ahead and placed the order with them on Tuesday, their acknowledgment said it ships from Hong Kong, which is not currently one of the EU 28!)

However, they do indicate above that they'll pick up the tab if there is any outstanding tax liability, which is some kind of something...

Encouragingly the tracking info since yesterday indicates it's in transit, so I'm hopeful it's gonna be in my sweaty paws before too long. €312 or so for the blue 128gb version, delivered - not bad I reckon

Btw, they've also sent me a referral link, so if anyone is going to spend >€350 with eglobalcentral, pm me and I'll send you the code, saving you a tenner and earning me a 15 yoyo coupon against a future purchase
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Magiatus:
I got my Poco F1 from sunsky :)

Nice one . Tips for German Guys :

At Sunsky you can set the included bill to 20%

Use at delivery option DHL Express .

Then you have to pay Tax at the DHL guy who will not check the paket .

I payed 20€ Tax hehehe
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] satanius:
Mine was just delievered in less than a week by DHL from Honorbuy, italian warehouse so no customs. 320€ for basic 64/6 GB version.
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Damoedge:
If people actually read this thread and avoided DHL you would not be paying taxes and charges

??
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] nickislauw:
I'm curious... I let mine to be shipped out with PostNL. But the status on the website is still on packaged to ship. They told me shipping was within 24h and its already been 48hours. I contacted them and they are playing real sketchy.. hmm.... strange.. I also see that the one I ordered (blue 64gb) is again out of stock. I wonder if everything goes well ..

[MENTION=2524099]Damoedge[/MENTION] How fast did your status change on the website and when did you get the tracking number???
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] Damoedge:
For both the next day ?
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] nickislauw:
Looks like I'm getting ******* already ... because they come with very vague replies or no replies at all..
[Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers] pmjoc:
Have ordered the blue 128gb version from eglobalcentral. Will let you all know how it goes.