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[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] bkeaver:
The ability to unlock the phone isn't with the carrier it is with the manufacturer. It will most likely be able to be unlocked. Also T-Mobile adds what 5 apps that's labeled T-Mobile all of which can be disabled.

I really think we need to wait to see if this comes to fruition first. We have all heard this all before that OnePlus is coming to a carrier and then the last minute, the plug gets pulled.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] iElvis:
AT&T and Verizon especially seem to be the worst about this stuff. Part of the reason I stopped buying through AT&T. I think that given OP's reputation and selling point of being dev-friendly isn't going to be something T-Mo wants to inhibit. For most people, there's just Apple and Samsung, and everyone else, and OnePlus is just something they might have heard about but never seen. The people interested in OP phones are going to be the ones who know their reputation as easily rooted. Maybe wishful thinking, but that's how it looks to me. ;)
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] usmanx:
Wireless charging and smaller OPPO Style Notch are the only changes. it will have same Processor/ Same Ram.

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Not at all, T Mobile is selling vegetables now a days
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] SMS786:
Apparently an in-screen fingerprint reader too..if the rumors are to believed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Ascertion:
T-Mobile is gaining the most market share each quarter while AT&T is losing customers. :eek:
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] jameslapc2:
It would be nice if they do get it though I want a choice of devices. Just having a few and non that can be rooted has become an annoyance to me I can't stick with this Note 8 forever.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] dgunn:
That's because no one wants satellite anymore. AT&T purchase DirecTV
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] wase4711:
I looked up earlier and the sky was falling......

But, at least the 6T STILL had an unlocked bootloader..

Hard to believe the paranoia here, but, deal with reality; One Plus got to where there are today because they do NOT lock down there phones...thinking this would suddenly change is just plain silly...
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] usmanx:
That is a genuine rumour.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] geoff5093:
Why do you think people don't? Because you don't?

What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about cellular carriers here.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] dgunn:
Not just because I don't but I repair computers and cell phones on a daily basis and in the past 3 years I have not seen one T-Mobile cellular device come across my desk.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Ryano89:
Well, aside from being the fastest growing carrier in the US for several years now.....no nobody uses TMobile. Smh
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] trsix:
"Not just because I don't but I repair computers and cell phones on a daily basis and in the past 3 years I have not seen one T-Mobile cellular device come across my desk."

BALONEY with a capital B
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] geoff5093:
Perhaps you work in an area where T-Mobile doesn't have service? Using your one town as a sample size is crazy. T-Mobile is the #3 carrier, and has been gaining more subs each quarter than any other carrier.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Mike02z:
Verizon has better coverage, period. I was with VWZ for 10 years. I went with T-Mobile because the cost was lower and I got sick of not being able to get the coolest phones because most are missing a band. The 6's case, band 13 is missing which is the primary band for VZW.

What I found is in my area, I get a good signal. I've also noticed that in the exact same location outside my home. T-Mobile speed is 3x the Verizon speed. Our mountain place gets good T-Mobile signal but I know during the 3.5 hour drive that my signal drops more on T-Mobile than VZW.

One nice thing about T-Mobile selling the 6T will be 0% interest payments. I'll sell my 6 on Swappa. That is where I've sold my last 3 phones. Mine usually sell within hours as I price them to move.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] x111:
one more phone with locked bootloader.

and now it's going to be oneplus phone.

so sad to see it !!
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] ajsmsg78:
So just buy it through OnePlus instead of T-Mobile. You'll get no interest, no payments for six months if you use PayPal credit. Then you'll be guaranteed to have an unlocked device
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] molitar:
T-Mobile is typically network locked for 1 year or phone is paid off whichever is shorter.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] PhoenixPath:
Locked bootloader? Said who?
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] x111:
it's a simple assumption knowing the level of retardation of oneplus seo

and trash mobile carriers who wish to many a top dollar on you by selling complete overpriced trash.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] bkeaver:
Carriers are not the ones that dictate bootloader's being locked.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] x111:
wrong !! we have international version of samsung phones and trash version for USA, Canada !!

I cannot understand why the biggest markets allows to stock this trash !!
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] bkeaver:
Wrong. It's the manufacturer that dictates the bootloader locking in us. Not the carrier.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] wase4711:
is there an official t mobile release date yet?

thanks
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] galaxys:
Nothing yet official. Rumors are Oct 17th...
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] krabman:
The 17th is the expected reveal date, not the expected release date. Oneplus has had some available for order at reveal and others not, I've seen no rumor as to which will be the case here.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] ram4ufriends:
October 30 it is
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] borijess:
So they will be nothing next week?
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] BeyondTheory:
They said that pre-orders will go up after the event. Midnight to be exact. Does that mean that T-Mobile will have their pre-order up or just Amazon India and OnePlus?
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] PhoenixPath:
As far as I know, other than one mention of the possibility, there has been no official confirmation of T-mobile selling the device directly from either T-Mobile or 1+.

I was really hoping this would pan out as a thing that actually happens, but with the launch announcement for Oct. 30th and still nothing official from any source I am seriously doubtful we'll see this device on T-Mobile.

Still hoping I'm wrong in my doubts, but I'm most definitely not holding my breath. I'm slowly resigning myself to holding on to my Pixel 2 XL until at least Q1 2019...
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] bkeaver:
I totally agree with you on this.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] BeyondTheory:
Why in the world can't they just get the deal going? This whole Chinese phone and U.S. carrier block is getting old. How hard can it be for T-Mobile to agree to it? I hope to god they are just holding out until the unveil event.

Do you think the phone will work good on Mint Mobile or Metro by T-Mobile?
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Ryano89:
For what it's worth I have been told directly by a TMobile employee that will be selling it. I have NO idea how accurate that is.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] BeyondTheory:
The same. I have been to two T-Mobile stores and asked them about the pre-order. On my most recent visit the guy nodded his head positively that after the unveil event, you will be able to go on T-Mobile's site and pre-order it. However, they do not do in store pickup anymore. It will be shipped to your house.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] galaxys:
Maybe required form to unlock bootloader?

https://www.androidauthority.com/oneplus-bootloader-unlock-913630/
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] krabman:
Just came over to post about the need to wait a week or two before you can root and warranty is lost if you go the Tmo route. I was 99% international before I read that; make it 99.9 now.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] PhoenixPath:
In the US it is illegal to void the warranty due to just unlocking the bootloader. That's basically just a disclaimer for if you overclock the device and fry your CPU to say that's on you, not them.

Non-user fault would still be covered.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] krabman:
That isn't even true when it's true. While they cannot take warranty coverage away from you it can be waived by you and that is exactly what you are doing when you click yes, agreeing to give up your warranty coverage. Now lets look at where you didn't give up your warranty coverage and you get denied because of unlocking. I've followed an MM action against Chrysler and can tell you what you face.

First of all at no time can you ever get on your horse named "I know the law" and spout tidbits of the MM act and expect that it's going to have any effect whatsoever. Possession is 9/10ths of the law and you are not and have never been in possession of your warranty. Once you face a denial you learn this first hand; yelling, screaming, jumping up and down, getting really really really angry, does nothing. Being right does nothing. You are not in possession of your warranty, you get it only if and when they decide to give it to you.

So you are in the right, you're going to win in court should it go that far. Lets not get ahead of ourselves and call that victory. First of all you face a very long process that may never go to court at all and could take a year or more to complete. That process is going to cost you a fair chunk of time or money or some combination of both. You've probably read that if you win you get your fees back. That would be incorrect. The MM allows for you to ask for them but you don't get them automatically even if you win; they must be awarded. I won but did not get my fees.

See where I'm going? For me personally it's the having to give away my warranty that POs me. I shouldn't have to do that to get root which as you've said shouldn't be a cause for denied warranty anyways although it often is used for just that. I'm not seeing any reason to buy through Tmo as I'll pay full price anyways and as near as I cant tell get the same phone or one that can be made the same in a few weeks once our beloved developers get into the game. Just don't see any win in going with Tmo but can most def see a downside.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] PhoenixPath:
I have no idea where you got this "waiving" from.

The site screenshots I have seen specifically state "I acknowledge that I may void the warranty..." -- No mention of waiving anything.

The keyword in there is: may.

Voiding a warranty simply due to unlocking/jailbreaking has been Illegal in the US under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act since 1975. If you don't believe me, do some Googling. There was a big to-do over this in 2016; you'll find plenty of results. We really don't need to start fearmongering this again.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] PhoenixPath:
Your personal experiences are moving. They tell a tale of burden and mishandling that sends chills down the spines of anyone looking to possibly root and claim warranty on their devices. The act did not help you. That sucks.

What's more; going by your experiences laid out above - it would seem the wording on the website (or there even being a website) has absolutely bearing on the outcome.

As for:

I posted facts regarding actual laws, discussed in great detail over the years that actually do exist and are indeed real. One user (you) reports from personal experience that it didn't help them...and suddenly facts are "misinformation".

Well... Okay then. I guess I really can't argue with someone who claims facts aren't facts. *shrug*

I didn't come here to argue. This isn't what I was looking for; and we are wildly off-topic. I've stated the facts as I see them. Believe and think whatever you wish. I'm done.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] krabman:
Negative, I said "it isn't even true when it's true." You are mistaking facts for knowledge and intimating that the MM act has people covered. It doesn't, not until the end of a process that isn't going to be worth the effort on a cell phone. Possibly not even at the end of that process. Nor is my experience singular, it's pretty much how it works for everyone. It isn't easy, cheap, or quick, for anyone.

You want to let it go fair enough. I do hope should it come to pass you chime in on your own experience after you've actually pursued an action on a warranty denial against a major corporation. I'm not talking about making an argument and them caving, the manager caving the next day, I'm taking about a flat out going to court, arbitration, or whatever the process is going to be in your particular warranty litigation because that is when the MM act will come into play. I'm thinking your impression of what "the facts" are will be different then.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] wase4711:
you guys are debating stuff before it even becomes relevant..

Every phone I have ever rooted has NEVER been denied a warranty repair or replacement, and I have been buying phones for over 35 years.. That was with T mobile, Sprint, and ATT...
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] bp328i:
The T-Mobile version will be bootloader locked, even if you buy it outright at least for 40 days.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] galaxys:
And only have a Single SIM....
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Ippolito1971:
Interesting. I am surprised to an extent. I'll be doing the same getting one from OP on the 1st.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] lensgrabber:
Any news if stores will have display units on the 1st?
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] CB620:
I have a T-Mobile 6T I just called T-Mobile and got the sim unlock processed just have to find a foreign sim. Bootloader options are greyed out. Will see if the sim unlock app also enables bootloader unlock. If not the phone is going back and I’ll just order directly from OP.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] chowfun:
Have you tried fastboot oem unlock and see if that had any effect?
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Amd4life:
This sucks. So in order to get the full trade-in (24 bill credits, over 2 yrs), you have to be stuck with a OnePlus device with a unlocked bootloader?

Am I reading this the wrong way???
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] chowfun:
No, you can pay the device off EIP and still wait for your monthly credits to trickle in. I am not sure how the single SIM and bootloader situation looks like though since there are still limited datapoints.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] bp328i:
I have a LG v30 that I would love to jump with and then just pay in full the OnePlus 6t but I'm just going to order directly through OnePlus on the 1st.

I would hate to end up with a crippled 6t
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] byt3b0mb:
Try signing in to Google account and "enable oem unlock" may no longer be grayed out.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] wase4711:
tmobile has already said that even if you buy it outright from them, it has to be active on their network for 40 days minimum, and then they give you a code of some sort to contact one plus with, and one plus will show you how to unlock the bootloader..

sounds like a total clusterphuk kind of arrangement, and there will be ALOT of very phissed off folks when all this weird info makes the rounds..
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] KOLIOSIS:
Here's OnePlus' guide to bootloader unlocking the T-Mobile variant:

https://support.oneplus.com/app/ans...xc3hteE9PYlkxdHlVNWw2R2hQYUJJeHBjZUJBJTIxJTIx

Once you have the token,go here:

https://www.oneplus.com/account/sign-in?return_to=https://unlockbootloader.oneplus.com/unlock_token
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] MicroMod777:
Would a temp sim unlock work?
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] KOLIOSIS:
Good question.........

That's something to consider.

That would make this a definite buy,otherwise,I see no advantage to buying a T-Mobile version.

[MENTION=2522637]MicroMod777[/MENTION]

Looks like temporary SIM Unlocks are good for 30 days,seems to be enough time to get a token back from OnePlus before the SIM Unlock expires.

https://support.t-mobile.com/thread/145735

Whether that unlocks the toggle in developer options is the $1,000,000 question....................

I'm hoping someone does some side-by-side comparisons of network speeds on the two models.

If it's all the same,then the International version is a slam-dunk vs the T-Mobile version,unless you have a qualified trade-in device to knock the price down by 50%.............
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Zorachus:
Oh wait, what ? If you get it at T-mobile it has a locked bootloader ? WTF

And it somehow magically unlocks when it knows you paid the phone off in full ? That sounds like a software switch that can maybe be hacked ? If the bootloader can be unlocked via T-mobile flipping a switch or something after the phone is paid off, maybe a developer can do the same ?

I was really looking forward to maybe getting a 6T through T-mobile, as I have a old OnePlus sitting a drawer still. So if I can get $300 for my old OPO from Tmob then the 6T will only be $249 ? But you can't buy it outright then ? You need to go on the payment plan ?

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So is this like getting a Pixel phone from Verizon vs direct from Google ? One has a firm locked bootloader, the other easily rooted ?
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] jfox22:
I know it's my fault but I'm giving it back tomorrow, just realized that I have just 1 Sim idk maybe for the confusion today I didn't listen carefully and I got it, I'll give it back tomorrow if I can and get it from op directly
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] KOLIOSIS:
I've heard that if you pay off the balance,the bill credits will continue.

IDK if that is correct,or,if paying off the balance less bill credits will allow for Permanent SIM unlock &/or allow the B/L unlock toggle in Developer Options to be enabled during the bill credit period.

Sounds like a call to T-Mobile is in order & follow-up w/repeats,see if you get a consistent answer.

If nothing else,you get the conversation documented:

If things don't pan out & may allow for return/refund of the device if the b/l unlock doesn't happen before the bill credits expire.

Whether the CSR's have any idea of what Bootloader unlocking is is anyone's guess,I'd have the links to OnePlus' OP6T B/L unlocking on-hand for reference..................
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] CB620:
I'm returning the phone this ain't HTC and I'm not getting no damn token. I did the permanent unlock through the app, that enables the oem unlock as well. I filled out the form and it says 7 business days for the .bin file. Not worth it to me. Returning it back to T-Mobile tomorrow. Ordering the OP model on the 1st. Keeping the goodies from the event and T-Mobile and I will have my Unlocked version next week. T-Mobile locked this phone down, dumbed down the sim, added their bloat and boot animation. That kills the whole experience for me.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] galaxys:
Are there usa taxes & shipping costs when you buy from OnePlus?
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Zorachus:
Only thing I liked about the T-Mobile version, was the amazing deal they'd give you for my old OnePlus One, sitting in a drawer, that's worthless to me, but T-Mobile will give me $300 for it towards the 6T ? Uh ok.

Making the OnePlus 6T cost me $249, but, you can't buy it outright for the $250, you need to go on the payment plan only ? And I can't have the bootloader unlocked anyways for 40 days?

And is it true, it has the T-Mobile boot animation and sounds, and has a couple T-Mobile apps pre installed ?
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] KOLIOSIS:
Both are a YMMV situation:

1) Sales tax will vary. If there's a physical presence of OnePlus in your state,you're likely gonna be hit w/sales tax.

2) According to the OnePlus FAQ(s),shipping costs will also vary (possibly none). You'll probably have to put something similar in your cart (OP6) to gauge shipping speed options & cost:

https://www.oneplus.com/support/shopping-help/details
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] CB620:
Yes
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[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] KOLIOSIS:
Are you still planning on returning your T-mobile OP6T,or perhaps selling it on Swappa/etc......... ?

BTW,THX for uploading the pix,especially the ones with the (single) SIM Card tray shown. :good:
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] CB620:
I’ll post it on Swappa for a couple of hrs if it doesn’t sale I will just return it to T-Mobile after work. I’ll throw in a couple of pop up goodies but I don’t think it will sale. I paid $630 after NY taxes.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] KOLIOSIS:
Cool.

One more thing,if you will:

The consensus is there is no LED notification,but,one source is saying there is one,next to the FFC:

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=78012741&postcount=24

Any way you could verify,one way,or the other,before you box it up?
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] CB620:
I’ll check when I get to work and let you guys know.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] KOLIOSIS:
Much appreciated, good luck with the sale. :svetius:
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] wwwhershcom:
Do you have the new Gestures? I can't seem to get mine too work.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] LLStarks:
That bootloader is not going to stay locked for more than a few days or weeks no matter what T-Mobile thinks.

There's so many angles to exploit with the SIM unlock requirement (how does that even factor in?) and that OnePlus token request form.

I have no expectation that OnePlus will T-Mobile's rules unless LG-like dev unlock site lockdown occurs.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] CB620:
There is no led notification on this phone nor is it in the options.

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But why even go through all that. Just to unlock YOUR device.

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I couldn't tell you. Phone is back in the box. I don't care to play with it anymore. Sorry.
[OnePlus 6T  Guides, News, & Discussion] raing:
this is a real bummer. I'm trying to get tmobile chat on the line now to answer the following questions. currently waiting in the queue:

Will post back with their answers.

1. is "sim unlock" a requirement for "bootloader unlock"?

2. can we get the trade-in credit of $300, and then pay the remaining $280 (plus taxes) upfront in store day of purchase and still get the $300 in bill credits over 24 months?

3. if the above is yes, then is the device considered "paid off"? and if so, can we then request the "sim unlock" and "bootloader unlock" immediately? must wait 40 days?

4. is the hardware different/removed for the 2nd sim slot, or if we get a dual sim tray can we use both sim slots once the phone is "sim unlock"?

If I don't get the correct answers here I'll definitely be buying directly from oneplus, which is a shame, because the $300 credit for my oneplus one would be real nice, but not nice enough to be stuck with a phone that I can't unlock and flash custom recovery/roms/magisk.

Edit:

got the top 3 questions answered. they would not answer question 4.

I am not buying from tmobile.