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[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] aspen1135:
I saw the new Android 9.0 update has been released for a little while now. I have been confident in Google's software updates while owning this phone until they broke the multi-touch on 8.1 and did not provide a downgrade or alternative solution. I like to play Pubg a lot on my phone while on my bus rides around my city so performance, battery, multi-touch and the very small day to day things are very important to me.

I looked on the comments section of the Android update forum for 9.0 and it seems the only small reported bugs were related to the pixel launcher. I use Nova Launcher so I don't think this will be an issue. I wanted to hear back from pixel 2 users and see if any of the OLD features on the previous 8.x release were made unstable or broken in any way.

Also how's the camera and battery life? Those are the main selling points of the phone I believe (for me at least)..
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] jallenhayslett:
See this thread:

https://xdaforums.com/pixel-2/how-to/androids-windows-vista-moment-t3830480
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] crixley:
Camera and battery are both fantastic.

I don't get the hatred by some here. It's a divided opinion for sure, though as with anything else the ones displeased make the most noise.

Long story short, I think it's an awesome upgrade and have not experienced any bugs.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] dethknite:
Agree with crixley... there were some new things to learn, but once learned, I actually appreciate them quite a bit. Android 9 gestures are quicker and more natural, and the wasted space of recents has been reclaimed with helpful stuff like switch orientation. Battery life is better with the Adaptive Battery setting enabled, security has been upgraded. Although I understand that it "feels" like a big change for no reason... a lot of users are going to dislike change if the benefits are not easily apparent. I admit that there have been a few kinks I worked through.. such as having to re-pair bluetooth devices, resetup android auto, and a few other quirks.. but I am a happy Android P user in the end.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] srp365:
The Pie update on VZW broke Android Auto USB connection to my Pioneer AVH-2300NEX. No other issues to report, but it's enough for Verizon to send me a warranty replacement phone.

Yes, I did do all the necessary troubleshooting. Yes, it worked great up to the time of the OTA to Pie. Yes, I even tried different cables. Thanks for your concern lol.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] bbacon:
Been running Android 9.0 since the developer previews never had any issues. Battery life is much better than before and camera works just as great as always. I also use Android Auto everyday and haven't had any issues with it that other have described. I used to run a custom roms and always used the the fling nav bar so I'm pretty used to swipe gestures and prefer them more than the standard nav bar.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] armordillo:
Battery life has been much better than Oreo as long as you don't configure your phone's IP staticly versus using DHCP when connecting to a Wi-Fi connection. We've been able to replicate it with at least 4 users whom all use different router make and models. See this

https://xdaforums.com/pixel-2/help/battery-life-considerably-worse-update-t3827066
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] mattie_49:
No bugs here since update. Only been a few days though. Battery life is definitely better. Good update just need an unlocking route for Verizon and my life will be complete.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdaninja:
i very much miss the ability to mute/vibrate my ringer with hardware buttons. instead of being "smart" and adjusting ringer volume by default, media volume when using some kind of media, it now just adjusts media volume always, and requires extra work/screen touching to mute the ringer
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] mattie_49:
That's my only complaint as well. But the update other than that is nice.

Edit I dislike that turning location to battery saving/gps / off moved to one switch on or off.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] greenteg:
My battery life went from 8hr average SOT on Oreo to about 5.5hr average on Pie. I'm going back once I find the correct OTA update to flash (so I don't lose any data). Battery Saver has been on since Day 1.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] mattie_49:
I'm getting 8+ on pie. You need to go into location /Google location accuracy and turn that off. It's like GPS on constantly. There is no longer battery saving mode on Pie. I've had mine off from the beginning and all is well. 2 days off charger and 7-9 hours screen on time. Hope this helps
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] greenteg:
All of that was already off, but I'll go through the entire device today and see if there's something else I can find.

Is it just me or did the overall brightness decrease? I know the whole scaling is logarithmic now, but I'm talking about 100% brightness on Oreo vs. 100% brightness on Pie. Seems to never get as bright as it used to, even when maxed out.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] jidccruz:
You can press the power button and volume up button at the same time to switch to vibrate/mute. That's a nifty feature. ??
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] atlp99:
The new colors in the newest update to Contacts, Dialer, and Messages apps are hideous.

I'm ok with white background but the pastel colors are horrible.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] ghettopops:
I am glad I am not the one. The brightness has gone to dim at 75%.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] greenteg:
Battery life is resolved, which was the main thing. I just wish the maximum brightness was fixed, along with a better (full dark) theme for us on AMOLED screens. Anything to get 3 Day usage is always appreciated. I'm at 2.5 Days now, so that's pretty nifty
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] PuffDaddy_d:
Any way to roll back to previous messages APK without losing all data?
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] mattie_49:
Just wanted to share . Amazing stock results on Android Pie
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] SuperSmashedBro:
rooted?
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] TenTuTego:
XL model? Can you share what setting you use in order to achieve such sot? What's off so you can save battery. Thanks.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] crixley:
Lol sure....
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] mattie_49:
Yes stock not rooted . And the regular Pixel 2 . I can't currently unlock. WiFi and Bluetooth scanning off. Nothing else. Oh yeah location history turned off in Google.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] mattie_49:
You guys must have bung devices . Mine is a beast . Still want to unlock though
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] mattie_49:
No can't currently unlock

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No Google pixel 2 Verizon. Not xl
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] crixley:
You're full of sh** is all, like every other person that claims 20 hours sot on a phone with a tiny battery.

Either you use your phone all day at 0% brightness or you leave it on a black wallpaper with the screen set to not time out to beef up your numbers.

Your numbers aren't feasible with actual usage.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] mattie_49:
Ok. These are normal stats casting to my TV all day with you tube live ,Netflix, hulu. Bluetooth to my car stereo while traveling an hour to work. I'll show you some more tomorrow or next day after another cycle. Your sure bitter. Not my fault you have a piece of sh+t device and mine is new. Enjoy your evening. Look forward to posting more. And they are feasible . How in the hell am I creating them? Your a funny guy Crix . And it's a little over 8 hours. Go be somebody. I'll post app usage as well.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] crixley:
Yeah there's always one person who just magically gets double what everyone else does.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] mattie_49:
I could care less what you think . I'll show some more great, stock stats soon. Until then have a good night.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] mattie_49:
September security update rolling out currently to Verizon Pixel 2 devices. First Pie update. Fixes some Bluetooth connectivity issues and improves audio quality while streaming. Along with some simple not major security vunerablities. I really do love this device the way it is. Yes I do wanna unlock. But then I ask why? It simply can't get any better....
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] WibblyW:
Excellent...

I can get 6-7hrs SOT. But I have 'taught' the brightness algorithm to use low brightness levels (which is fine for me) and a have quite a dark background, and always choose dark themes in apps when I have the option. Accubattery claims phone power consumption doing nothing else is around the 100mA range, and around 300mA just scrolling the screen up and down continuously in the Accubattery app. With a 2700mA/h battery, that would give a SOT of 27hrs @ 100mA and 9hrs [MENTION=1785406]300m[/MENTION]A! An awful lot depends on what you're doing with your phone. E.g. Just browsing the web, continuously downloading/updating pictures on web pages, say over the cellular network with a poor signal and scrolling, will have a huge impact.

But I can see how, under the right circumstances, some may get excellent SOTs, using their phones 'normally' for them.

In my mind this shows the complete futility of comparing SOTs other than with strictly controlled conditions, which is quite impossible with folk on forums ;). It's a bit like comparing fuel consumption figures for the same car on car forums...
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] mattie_49:
[MENTION=4657791]crixley[/MENTION] here's 2 users apparently lying now. Getting twice what everyone else is. Magically
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] WibblyW:
It's just simple maths - nothing to fret about :good:
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] crixley:
6 is possibly feasible, 9 is not.

I don't really care anyway, have your moment there are always at least one of you ?

Don't bother with your run on sentence rants though like in every other thread, I'm not going to respond any further. You've been following me around posting the same things all day now trying to get a response.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] mattie_49:
Your a joke my friend . That is all ,follow you around. He he..... you originally quoted me & told me I was full of sh+t moreless a lier. So check the threads, the moderator can and will.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] mattie_49:
Lookie
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] mattie_49:
Just wanted to share results again. This is a normal battery cycle for me. And the September 5th update fixed my Bluetooth auto launch feature on my device, that didn't work on first Android 9 build. The built in adaptive brightness and adaptive battery on Pie is what makes the upgrade worth the while. You can train the adaptive brightness more towards your likings, kind of a learning mode. I have zero issues after latest security update.
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] buschris:
downgraded to Oreo last night SOT went from 3.5-4hrs to 6.5! yep, definitely something is up with Pie
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] mattie_49:
Many improvements under the hood
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] PuffDaddy_d:
He's saying pie was the problem
[Google Pixel 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] buschris:
what improved exactly? I'm getting a better experience with 8.1
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sbjaved:
I have a huge list of blocked spam numbers on my HTC 10 in the default messages app. How can I transfer that list to my new Note?
[Xiaomi Mi A2 / 6X Questions & Answers] alinescoo:
I am considering either getting A2 or Nokia 7 Plus.

The A2 has the same hardware platform but is considerably cheaper but there are a few things/questions that I am considering:

1. the updates on A1, if I read comments or on the A1 forum seem to be late and buggy. This is one of the major drawbacks for me as I want a stable device and I am afraid the same thing will happen with A2

2. on Nokia there seem a way to enable gcam without doing root on the device, on A2 I saw that root is needed... this would be a drawback as gcam seems to improve picture taking on many devices

3. How does the device feel in hand? Is it slippery? Is the camera bump annoying?

4. Any software/hardware issues reported so far? I read something about proximity sensor but other than that not much.

The reviews for the device aren't stellar. Most complain about nfc, jack and sd card. None of this are important to me, I care about updates and camera.

So, should I get the Nokia (better build, bigger battery, stable and fast updates, probably a bit better camera, gcam working, better screen, no PWM for brightness)

I'd like to hear your advices. Thank you for your time.
[Xiaomi Mi A2 / 6X Questions & Answers] ahadrox:
It'll be better if you buy the Nokia 7 plus Android One version! You'll get most the things needed in a flagship phone (not all) and it's better than Mi A2 in most of the time except the camera!
[Xiaomi Mi A2 / 6X Questions & Answers] AlexX333BY:
You should also bear in mind that Nokia phones have no official way of unlocking bootloader for now, so there won't be lot of custom development for their devices until HMD decide to provide way to unlock bootloader. And according to HMDs head twitter, they won't do it because of security (proof: https://twitter.com/sarvikas/status/910421837661790208)
[Xiaomi Mi A2 / 6X Questions & Answers] AsItLies:
There certainly are a ** lot ** of things to consider when buying a phone now-a-days.

One of the very first things I look at is appearance, and weight. So right off the bat, 2 knocks on the 7plus; it's gaudy looking with the faux gold trim, and it's 183 grams (and I thought 165 gram phones were heavy!).

I'm shocked you would say an issue with the Mi A2 would be build quality? I don't have mine yet, but the unibody construction of these devices, like the Huawei Mate SE, are as good as it gets. Could not feel more solid. There's a marked difference to how a device with a unibody and 2.5D raised glass feels compared to how a device (like the 7plus) that has a 'flat' band all around it, holding the top and the bottom panels together.

I much much prefer the rounded unibody, way more comfortable in the hand, less likely to slip. And the metal body of them isn't slippery.

Yes, the A1 has had some issues with updates / bugs. But the A2 already has the ota security patch / bug fixes for August available. Someone mentioned they seem to be doing better with the A2 and it may well be because it's Project Treble.

As someone else mentioned; Is the bootloader unlockable? That's right near the top of the list for me, if not the top. If the Nok is locked down (as said), it's off my list. At some point, and you might keep the phone that long, updates will stop. If you can't unlock it, then the phone is basically done.

As far as reviews go, actually the ones i've read, are stellar. Yes, the lack of nfc, expansion, no jack, are mentioned. They all mention it. I guess they have to or it won't be considered a decent review. But to me, I can live without them, not that much of a big. What is a big, and it's mentioned a lot in the reviews I've read, are the cameras. The f1.75 cams on the back will let in a ** lot ** of light. All reviews indicate they do well in low light (as you would expect), some even say the great cameras make up for the loss of the other items.

So what's important to you? I"m going with Android One is big, good cameras is really big, unlockable bootloader is huge, not too heavy helps to keep me from constantly pulling my pants up, available in black... I like black (not gaudy pls).

We all have our criteria don't we...
[Xiaomi Mi A2 / 6X Questions & Answers] Benjamin_L:
Build quality of the A2 is amazing. Feels like a flagship device. I was afraid how it would compare to my light Nexus 5x but man was I wrong. I loved it from the start :)

Custom roms were my main deciding factor compared to Nokia or bq even if there is no NFC or RGB notification LED. So I am ready to use the hardware until it breaks.

Headphone jack I don't care too much, get a fiio btr Bluetooth headphone amp and you are smartphone independent and can use your cable headphones which I won't change to anything purely bluetooth based unless Sennheiser comes out with some usb-c based ie80s.

SD card? You really need more than 64GB or 128Gb even? I am happy with the 64GB but depends a lot on what you are planning to do.

Oh I forgot the amazing camera. You can find some of my pics in the gcam thread. Guess I will upload a little camera showcase soon.
[Xiaomi Mi A2 / 6X Questions & Answers] alinescoo:
Thank you all for your thoughts.

[MENTION=2129545]AsItLies[/MENTION] I did not say there's an issue with build quality on A2. As you say, I am kind of convinced that it will fell better in hand as it is rounded, and that matters on big phones a lot. What I have noticed is that the camera bump is really big and that could make it wobble on the table.

So to set the list of pros and cons

A2

+ good feel in hand

- no way to use gcam without root and bootloader unlock which is something I don't want to do.

- no double tap to wake

+/- the software remains to be seen... A1 wasn't really great in that department

7Plus

+ double tape to wake

+ better screen quality

+ stable software with quick updates

+ google camera works without root

- like 25% more expensive

- not sure the looks in live preview with the copper accent.

- finger print scanner seems a bit too high, but A2 kind of looks at the same spot

- no notification led and glance uses battery since it has LCD

- bulkier and heavier

To be honest, I don't care for rooting the device. In 2 years, after no more updates, I am sure there will be other cheap alternatives to get.
[Xiaomi Mi A2 / 6X Questions & Answers] ChessPiece:
Looks like you're not power user, doesn't need rooted device or custom ROM, etc. Based on this I recommend the 7 Plus, I think it's better than A2 for general usage. A2 to me strong in the community support and development since it has better value for budget phone.

7 Plus wins in many aspects, but A2 is slightly better at camera department based on some reviews I read. 7 Plus prices is very high compared to other mid range devices, I think if you have the money and can add few bucks more, you can buy flagship phone with Snapdragon 8XX instead of 7 Plus.
[Xiaomi Mi A2 / 6X Questions & Answers] alinescoo:
I care about:

1. updates - I have my concerns on updates given the previous history with A1.

2. camera - some say nokia is better, some say a2 is better. Probably nokia with gcam is better

3.handling- a2 seems to be more rounded, slimmer but has that huge camera bump what probably makes it wobble on table. Together with no double touch to wake makes it no so ergonomic.

Nokia kind of ticks most of the boxes really, however, a2 is 25% cheaper and may have life after 2 years with the community. At the price of 7plus, I could get a used pixel 2 for instance and that has better camera and updates.

Tough choice to make.
[Xiaomi Mi A2 / 6X Questions & Answers] AsItLies:
Well hopefully you won't mind my version of your concerns, but always remember, these things are evolving and changing, due to experience. It's only natural with complicated things like this.

1. updates - While the A1 did run into a few issues, I'd say remember, this is a new thing for them. They'll probably get it right soon, evidenced by the August patch available now... and it's August! That's almost unheard of in itself.

2. Camera - I certainly like the Zeiss optics on the Nok, but Sony is no slouch either. Keep in mind the aperture of the 2 rear cameras on the A2 are f1.75. The Nok are f1.8 and f2.6 (for the optical zoom one). I don't know exactly, but the diff between the 1.75 and 2.6 is a Full Stop, if not more. That means, if u don't know, that the 1.75 will let in TWICE the amount of light. That's a huge difference, resulting in much better pictures.

The other thing re the GCam. I have a port on my LG G6 now. It's very good. Except it doesn't have all the features the OEM app has. For instance; taking a selfie in portrait mode, there is no timer. Also note the GCam ports won't use both lenses, as the pixel phones only have one lens. Some OEM apps use info from both lenses to create bokeh effects etc.

3. Handling - it is an individual thing for sure. My take on the camera bump is - I'd prefer it didn't have it, but I just don't set the phone down on the back (unless it's in a case). If I set it down I'll set it on the front. It's usually just in my pocket.

All cameras (except the G6!) have a bump, the A2 is just a bit bigger. Oh well. As far as double tap, for me... I've never used it, even once. Just use the finger print scanner.

Again! not knocking your concerns, they are valid for you, that's all that matters. Just giving a different perspective on them. Tomorrow, I may think differently! Haha, phones, they've become so complicated it's more and more time consuming to evaluate them. I've bought and sold so many lately, I never thought I would do that! I think I have a new addiction ;)
[Xiaomi Mi A2 / 6X Questions & Answers] Marciano09:
About the handling, if you don't use a case with Mi A2, it is a bit slippery for me. The device is actually round but it is also thin. The metal at the back is very smooth and could be slippery for some.

And I think the cameras between two are not so different, depends on your taste. But the sensor with Nokia 7 Plus is larger so it should produce better images in low light.
[Xiaomi Mi A2 / 6X Questions & Answers] alinescoo:
[MENTION=2129545]AsItLies[/MENTION] thank you for your detailed info. I am very glad to receive info from an owner.

[MENTION=6718780]Marciano09[/MENTION] thank you. To be honest, my comfort zone ends around the sizes of pixel 2, but the trend now is to have phones bigger and bigger so I guess I need to get used to it. So, bigger and slippery is not something that sounds comfortable. Nokia seems to have some ceramic back cover which probably improves handling but has rougher edges.

I saw some comparison videos on camera samples, sometimes I liked A2 ones, sometimes the Nokia ones. Nokia with gcam has some really nice photos where on xiaomi I depend on the OEM camera.

Really tough choice to make.