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[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Incogn:
I cant see how anything from your post relates to my post and why did you quote me. Phone heating is just the same with both versions, stop creating placebo here.. And im happy that you find something that works for you, but please stop spamming this thread with constant purecoffee kernel discussions and praises. This is pixel experience and it uses derp kernel :). 10h sot with this phone is possible with stock, derp, caf or any other kernel, so dont understand why you so surprised and amazed. Anyways, again, im happy it works for you, but stop it with advertising and praises, this rom uses different kernel and you should respect dev and his choice :).
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] irfankamal:
You know humans makes mistake .......I hope you know

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[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] VladVlN:
will there be beta android on this device?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] bugmen:
For those wondering what the smallest width parameter in developer options was in the previous builds, it was 428 dp.

And when you chose default in the display settings it always did reset this value to 428 dp. If you change this value in Developer options, you can see that the normal calculated dpi changes to something else in display settings accordingly. This is the normal behavior btw.

This recent change to this value may or may not be intentional. But if you wish to set it to what it was in the prev build, it was 428, which sets the normal dpi to 403. In fact, this is equal to the device's actual physical density, 403 ppi.

So rn i have set smallest width to 428.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Kakashi__0:
Hi ! Lately I have been noticing that I receive late notification for WhatsApp when phone is in sleep . For example when phone is just lying on my desk and eventually it enters deep sleep, I receive WhatsApp notification 2-3 minutes late . Like someone sent me a text at 10:20 I'll receive a notification at 10:23 . I'm on 4G and I get plenty of network so no issue there... Can anyone else confirm this? If Dev is reading this, please just look into this . Just try it once ?

And

The encryption password at power on is not working for me after I enabled accessibility menu. I have reported it earlier that turning on accessibility menu causes trouble (Atleast for me). For those who are reading this. Turn on your accessibility menu. The first time you do it your phone might stop responding to touches.. if it happens just hold the power button, it'll restart and everything will work fine (and it will not ask for decryption password for power on if it is encrypted). So , if it happens just post it so that I know I'm not alone! Thank you for reading and sorry for bad english ?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] hzroel:
Download progress not show when download from Play Store
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] jay5204.abd:
I expirience slow 4G connection once the rom is installed 4g speed becomes very less and infrequent, although if i use tethering, normal speed comes on the tethered device,

Speed may come up in pulses but remains very slow over all without any active downloads,

I don't know what is causing this issue,

Speed is mind blowing on stock /infinity miui

I am. On Vodafone net 4G

Please help
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Kakashi__0:
Same problem

Where? In notification or in playstore app? Please try to be more specific . That will help the developer to solve the issue.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] milmino:
Thank you loads! This fixed some problems of apps being incompatible in the play store
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] JIGS666:
I am having same problem.

Using Vodafone 4G.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] R0kt7:
The weather info beside the date is almost never showing for me.. (I'm using the default launcher). The weather at the lock screen works great.

Is this happening to any one else? Any suggestions on how to fix it?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Sreehul R:
Download link plz...

Bro ,can u share a link to download purecoffe?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Davcoss:
Just google "purecoffee whyred" and you'll find it on GitHub
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] irfankamal:
Search on telegram you will find it easily
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] caution_@:
Anyone having WiFi hotspot issues on CAF? I made the switch yesterday and my laptop just flat out won't connect. It connected fine before. USB tethering works though
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] pieterwjy:
Hello, i have a problem. The option for hotspot is missing. Im using the latest CAF version. How to enable the hotspot?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Egyptiandroid:
I am on latest pe caf rom. I want to install gcam,so i need a proper gcam patch which does not interface with call volume. Also want to know best magisk modules to make gcam works well. Also the.gcam apk file
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] SyeedAhmed:
I have no complain and really happy with this rom...

but I noticed something in miui there is a swap partition... I know it doesn't help that much...

but I face little bit of lag in pubg in PE so is it possible to add swap support in PE rom...

I am just asking don't mind ?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] onliner:
That's kernel related, you can enable it with Kernel Adiutor/EXKM/Franco KM.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] SyeedAhmed:
I don't wanna root actually... but thanks for replying
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] driptodas:
Please add Volte icon

Please add Volte icon in the status bar. Some useful features (like long press power for torch, skip track by volume keys, stock navbar tuner) were present in Pixel Experience Oreo..But its missing in Pixel Pie rom.Otherwise its the best rom ever.. Im using it in whyred and mido..best rom..thanks to dev.But if possible please add these little basic customisations like they were in oreo.. thank you dev.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] jay5204.abd:
Any solutions so far??
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] JIGS666:
Moved back to MIUI 10
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] keysangyonthan:
Bugs

Thanks for this ROM <3

Bugs I faced: Proximity sensor not working fine.

Rest all is good. :)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] jay5204.abd:
Me too... Had to do that.... It was simply not possible to work my way around it
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Arijit Saha:
To turn off the app list in top of app drawer :

1. Long press on home screen and select 'Home settings'

2. Head over to Suggestions and turn off the 'App' toggle

To swap the navigation buttons refer to the link below :

https://in.c.mi.com/thread-1565080-1-0.html

Hope it helped ;)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Zeper:
Is is reported? Google cam doesn't keep photos with front camera.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Dev_Rangan:
Maybe there is a problem in your sim or network towers as I'm getting high speed on mobile data. I'm using Airtel.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Erpe7:
Yes it does.

Use the good patch/module (TWRP or magisk) for your hardware smartphone then install the proper gcam working. To me it's the Arnova V8.3build-5.1.....777

Please tell us your feedback after trying it.

Cheers

PS: I'm on global, not india...
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Zeper:
Where can I find this patch?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] jay5204.abd:
I am on Vodafone and the sim and network seem to be just fine .. The network is superb on other miui roms and also when I am tethering using pixel roms

So that's my query
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] wayan_billie:
How to disable DT2W?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] ccaappton:
[MENTION=6519039]jhenrique09[/MENTION] Hi, thanks a lot for the rom, it is fantastic.

I just found one problem, probability affecting pixel experience roms for all devices, but I cannot find an official place to report issue. Thus I just post it here so you may help report back to the upstream:

My ISP offers IPv6 address, and I enabled the hotspot for my computer, but my computer can not obtain IPV6 address.(My previous LOS 15.1 rom can assign IPv6 address, so definitely not a hardware problem).

Then I tried to use linux command to add hotspot ipv6 using 'ebtables' command in root mode, but this binary is not available in PE. IIRC, ebtables is the key for IPv6 hotspot, so this should the reason why it does not work.

Could you help to report this to PE commiters? Thanks!
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] LGR0102:
Hey guys, anyone can confirm this, I'm having a bug where random times my phone is connected to 4G or wifi doesn't matter, and it just simply don't download nothing from Playstore or even opens nothing on internet, just like it's not connected. And if I do some connection test, it shows as my internet speed low, but if I do at the some time the connection test on my PC, it shows normal. And the bug only fix by restarting the phone. This bug has been happening with me, since the last all updates.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] jay5204.abd:
I have already mentioned similar issue on my data network... It does happen as u mentioned
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] abhilash7:
Yes it is happening with me as well what's the solution???
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] cola127:
Omfg noobs, check ur apps, settings ! this rom works perfect
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] cornelyus:
I wanted it as previous build, and someone mentioned 411 instead of 428.. Thanks for the longer explanation.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] yashwant786:
Please enable fingerprint sensor on camera
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Yippee-ki-yay:
https://xdaforums.com/redmi-note-5-pro/themes/magisk-miui-camera-v2-port-mods-t3830475

-> Additional packages -> For fingerprint shutter toggle (AOSP only, MIUI not needed) -> FPShutter_toggle-TWRP_0.4.zip (TWRP)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Kakashi__0:
I'm facing this heating issue while charging. My battery temperature reaches upto 42° C sometimes even more.. I charge my phone using the original 5V - 2A charger and sometimes a powerbank (mi 2i). Anybody else have this issue?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Incogn:
If you are using your phone during charging that is completely normal? 37-43c is completely normal for these batteries
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Kakashi__0:
Yes, that is correct but I wasn't using my phone. I just observed it when I picked it up. I think it's due to that initial fast charge because as my battery reached 70% temperature was Normal again.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Incogn:
Yeah, its due to fast charge. It starts to slow down as you are nearing full battery. Anyways, its normal temperature, dont see a reason to worry.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Kakashi__0:
Yup! Thanks:fingers-crossed:
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] LGR0102:
The solution that worked with me, is just a reboot. This is a random problem, a reboot make it gone for a day, a week, a month, don't know. Everytime it happen, I just reboot.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] mathsz:
apologies for this useless post.

caf version here, international version

I have yet to find a bug that leaves me wanting to go back to stock.

This is just perfect. Huge thanks for bringing this to Whyred
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] ghitus:
Hi, is anyone of you experiencing issues on speakerphone? When I switch to speakerphone simply I can't hear the audio of the call anymore, while switching again to the normal speaker audio appears again. I'm on the latest CAF.

Thanks a lot, Gaetano.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] RDP77:
I think the do not disturb mode does not work at all

CAF Edition
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] amg_brabus:
PLEASE HELP! Faced with problem like notification and ring sounds disappearance. Rebooting solved it but i dunno for how long... Any solutions? Sry, but i didnt find any solution in this topic....
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] innocentus:
just go on telegram on google camera chanel ant type #bestfrontai u will get best camera i tryed a lot to not fc on pie and global because a lot are for indian models . now i want to ask what kernel and what edition of pe is good? bc now am in one rom just instagram and some installs and just 5 hrs sot , i want a clean rom not miui never because of bad notification system .thank you
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] jhenrique09:
New builds available for AOSP and CAF

Changelog

* Fixed manual network select

* New OTA app

* Improved now playing on lock screen

* Improved weather

AOSP: https://download.pixelexperience.or...rience_whyred-9.0-20190318-1422-OFFICIAL.zip/

CAF: https://download.pixelexperience.or...ce_caf_whyred-9.0-20190318-1405-OFFICIAL.zip/
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Arijit Saha:
Thanks dev [MENTION=6519039]jhenrique09[/MENTION]
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] GabbyWC:
I've mentioned this before but even with today's Pixel Experience update, some HTML5 videos in Google Chrome such as the one at the bottom of https://developer.jwplayer.com/tools/stream-tester still show the Android navigation bar when it should be hidden in full screen mode.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] giannis_mathiou:
Never had issues with sound randomly going off. Phone always have been working great. Take a log, try to check if the problem still persists with and without root (in case our are rooted). Check your apps and then blame the ROM/developer.

Maybe if you, or someone who has the problem, be able to trace the cause the fix will come. Unless it only affects some users, developer without a logcat or something can't do anything about it.

Just to give you a point manual network selection on Pie, if I'm not mistaken, from today works only in Pixel Experience so I would just says kuddos to dev who tries his best! Shame on the community, because we expect everything to work out of the box without us trying to properly give the feedback that is needed in order to enable devs to address specific issues of each one of our use case scenarios. Shame on us!!!
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Erpe7:
The moment I speak a new PixelExp2 from jhenrique09 has been released (not updated yet...) But his previous one is really great regard SOT...

The gcam I mentioned is really good but since few days I tryied the 5.2.025.198487658 and the look of pictures is also really great. Maybe even more than the one I suggested before... Resolution not the same but quality is here!

Now, I'm about to make a backup before updating this rom.

Sure, you can go with it, you'll have no bad experiences except if you're reaching the top (which not exists IMHO) even then, jhenrique09 Px2 is a great choice.

Regards,

Erpe7
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] jhenrique09:
I'll left whyred development.

[MENTION=7258823]mickaelmendes50[/MENTION] will keep maintaining AOSP and CAF version.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] MarcoD14:
Thanks for your great work and contribution for this device, I've always used PE on my Whyred and will use until it dies, thanks man! :D

And for the new maintainer, welcome!

thank you for choose maintain this device.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Caisar:
So much thanks for your contribution.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] user64byte:
Really thanks for all your effort to our device, really love the rom that you made, I hope you'll come back to our device with another project
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] GabbyWC:
I think I speak for many users here when I say thank you for developing what may be the best custom ROMs that this phone has. You will be missed but I look forward to seeing Pixel Experience for whyred continue under the new maintainer.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] kkdv:
Thanks you for your works. Caf is really good. :good::good::good:
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Irvanoid:
anyone have a mirror link for the latest update? for some reason i cant download from the PE site, it give me error 404. i tried vpn, but still give me 404

[IMG="404"]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422717319106527232/557417367492100136/unknown.png[/IMG]

thanks in advance
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] rizkajanuar:
PIE CAF just awesome. But it feels downgrade after new version with derp. I can see on how long processing taking pictures with Gcam. Anyone have last PureCAF kernel comes with this ROM before?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Gandhi70:
No such issues. Maybe you should change the ROM or your mobile?

Gesendet von meinem Redmi Note 5 mit Tapatalk
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] mezstah:
Thank you my man for giving this device and also my mi5s another life big props
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] deviljin666:
Is it possible to add call recording and screen recording like miui on next update?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Kakashi__0:
Thank you for your community work! You are a great developer. Thank you man!
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Scripted27:
Please dev don't listen to a retard people like him, we the rest and the majority of the community are appreciating and respecting you hard work and it will be very painful for us to pay for the minority of retarded like this

I'm sure that they are a lot of people like me who never talk here but just appreciate this rom. I'm using PE from day one and loosing a dev like you is very hard. Please don't make us pay for retarded people, the majority of the community love you and respect you, stay with us please, it's such a chance and a pride to have you as a developer for Whyred.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Lupin The Third:
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[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] golfinry:
Thank you for all the great work.

Will you be getting a new phone or sticking with just Poco F1?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Speedo.thc:
Hi, you are mistaken for manual network, it works on Android One since v1.0 to v2.0..
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] amg_brabus:
Seems like problem exist when you turn on "Do not Disturb" mode. After "sleeping time" and going back to normal mode, sounds just disappeared.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] 0veR:
Why on camera when you switch on video its bit zoomed in? ?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Princ87:
How did u get YouTube vanced buddy can u plz give me the link
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Cnlaksono:
I think i got some bug

I use PE CAF edition and use Fluid NG as my full gesture cz i love MIUI Full screen gestur but sometimes when i vol up or down the button didn't show on thr right place (when in landscape mode)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] tix79:
whyred is slow on PE

Hello,

I'm on the last CAF release, and I theink my Whyred is quite slow.... It's like each app always reload instead of being kept in cache.

Have you ever had the same issue ?

My girlfriend has a Redmi S2 on stock MIUI 10, it's way faster !!!

Thanks for your help !
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] theking37:
Really noob question, is there a way to get a version of this rom without gapps? I want to use this rom with MicroG, I really like it this rom cuz it's one of the most popular (meaning well tested) and is CAF based, but it has all the Google play stuff so I can't install MicroG. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] ParamKaler:
There is no way to add apn to rom. So i had to switch back. Overall the rom is great but the apn problem is big .So I switched back to miui. I will be hlad to be back if you can fix the issue.😁
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Incogn:
I can add new apn under sim card settings, seem to work fine.

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Because thats how EIS works on any device. Turn it off and it should be normal, but atleast i better have stable and a bit zoomed video than shaky but not zoomed
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] tungthanh500:
Does it really work at all? I personally see no difference, the stablisation make it look worse.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] heistroublemaker:
Everything is great in this rom but i don't why the sound out put from speaker and even on the call is very low. Having too much issues eoth that can anyone give me any solution? Anyone facing same issue? Otherwise this rom is best ever. Suggest me a rom with good performance and sound like miui?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Erpe7:
Cheers for your telegram link, I think I'm already on it.

Yeah, lot of work is for India Hehe ^^

Today or yesterday a new update came. I didn't update it yet, but after my working gcam I mentionned before I installed the 5.2.025.198487658 and I have to admit that this one is = or even better than my previous one.

Pixels ain't the same but quality is here and even on dark situations/photos its a bit grainy and quality seems improved. And I like grain... Lol

Don't use Instagram so can't tell.

I'm still running the jhenrique09 20190309-0220- official with the 4.4.176 Derp v5 pixelexp (the build one).

By the way, I installed the TWRP patch RN5 Camera Patch TWRP v2.025a (Custom 9.0). And its great. To me TWRP way is better than magisk one. I don't know much but since I use TWRP, all is good ;)

Cheers

PS: my bluetooth recognizes some divices but not my speaker and I really don't know why. Thought it was related to bluetooth version but a vince 5 xiaomi can connect to it... Any Idea? I searched on this thread but nothing seems to be related...
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Incogn:
Works for me
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] innocentus:
If u have another to try . Mine is recognising 3 Bluetooth devices but old ones like a Nokia handsfree no .
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Erpe7:
Unfortunately, just my bluetooth speaker. But my bluetooth sees all bluetooth that is around.

Perhaps a raspberry I have. I'll have to look into it...

Cheers for replying :good:
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] causeway:
Thanks for all the hard work and development. Might have to get a pocofone next I guess ?