yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] adz63:
Tried that yesterday fella. Didn't work. I've put omnirom back on but I can't wipe data/factory as no option. So it just bootloops still.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] tw1st3d83:
Sorry but i have no more ideas.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] adz63:
Cheers for trying to help anyway fella
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] adz63:
Right this is what I've done.

Correct fastboot commands no errors.

Rebooting phone just bootloops.

Power on Vol+ either takes me to erecovery or to warning about bootloader being unlocked. Where I can hold up for 3 secs and it'll just restart phone or press power to boot normally and it'll just bootloop to the same place.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] M1chiel:
Did you try Vol+ and power while being disconnected? You should end up in normal recovery and be able to do a factory reset.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] adz63:
Yes mate tried that. Still only takes me to erecovery
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] M1chiel:
Hmm, the only thing I can think of now is HurUpdater.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] adz63:
What's that lol

I need to get this phone stock then I'm going to use DC unlocker to lock the bootloader as I've lost my code, then sell the phone
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] M1chiel:
https://xdaforums.com/honor-9/development/tool-flash-official-firmware-recovery-t3769279/page93
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] adz63:
Thanks

It says need twrp. That does not even work on this phone anymore lol

Also need sd card. Can't use that as I can't get passed bootloop
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] tw1st3d83:
You can put files on sd with card reader and PC/laptop.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] adz63:
Lads you are legends. Thank you. Now have stock up and running ??
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] VIPNobie:
How were you able to fix the endless bootloop when you tried going back to stock EMUI?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] dmmercado23:
Have you flashed a custom kernel in your device? If so, try flashing the stock kernel your device got before you flashed the Treble Rom.

Then try if you can get to recovery mode.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] TheCentrix:
Hey guys! Thanks for the awesome ROM. I installed it and it works perfectly.

I have an issue though. For the past few hours I've been trying to root the device and I tried basically everything, without succes.

Tried to install Magisk, didn't work (errors in fastboot I can't do anything with)

Now I'm trying to install TWRP

But I just can't seem to enter the TWRP recovery. It always just goes to the standard Huawei eRecovery when I do VolUp+Power (VolDown+Power doesn't do anything).

Anyone got any ideas?

Btw. For Magisk I got this error

I wanted to install TWRP to try to install Magisk through TWRP instead of Magisk Manager, which doesn't seem to work for me. (error above)

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Edit

Fixed it a while ago! After trying several TWRP versions, this one seems to work for me

https://xdaforums.com/p10-plus/development/recovery-twrp-3-2-1-0-oreo-t3734993

Hold VolumeUp + Power button until you get the ugly Bootloader Unlocked warning message.

Then flashed Magisk 17 in TWRP.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] OldDroid:
the ramdisk is way to big, make sure you follow our guides on our website in order to extract your current version ramdisk. If more guidance is needed make sure to check-out our telegram channel.

Regards
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] emiliano84:
Hello guys,

Does one or more of these roms supports dual sim? thanks
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] M1chiel:
All of them do!
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Droiduser67:
I think I'm ready to try this out but on this device you never never know lol...

I have rebranded from VTR-L09 to VTR-L29 and running fRomFuture B370 v2.1 EMUI 8.0 presently.

Will this work?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Edjee:
Anyone here tried the Omni pie rom? Especially the camera and battery life? Thanks
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] M1chiel:
Camera is similar to the Oreo roms: it fc's when you change modes, but quality is very good. Battery seems better.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] maly84:
I've installed openkirin/lineageos rom. Everything works good except smart cover.

Is there any rom (omnirom, resurrection, other?) where smart cover locks and unlocks phone?

Or maybe I need to enable/install something?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] emiliano84:
thanks, I have a vtr-l09, Can I use dual sim? I need to rebrand first to vtr-l29 or there is no need?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] M1chiel:
You need to rebrand first.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] xZhongCheng:
Is anyone able to use 1080P 60FPS recording after installing Open Kirin?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] doktor29:
where can i download pie rom ?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] M1chiel:
From their Telegram channel.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] DieBill:
When will LineageOS be update again? It still on August Security patch
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Jannomag:
Are there any roms with integrated screenshot tool like EMUI has (scrollshot and editing)?

Even besides Treble?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] stillrottentothegore:
It seems when I install twrp (3.2.1-0) onto my phone, it flashes fine but I can't get past its splash screen, so I can't go in to install any root system. Any ideas?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] M1chiel:
Install the Magisk manager apk, extract the ramdisk.img from your stock rom (make sure you use the correct version) and patch it with the Magisk manager. Flash the patched image "fastboot flash ramdisk patched_boot.img" and root is there for you. The instructions are all on openkirin.net.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] stillrottentothegore:
I guess that's where I'm stuck, I don't quite see how to do this.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] M1chiel:
Check this: https://openkirin.net/user_guide/how-to-download-stock-emui-firmware-for-your-device/

And this: https://openkirin.net/user_guide/how-to-extract-partition-images-from-stock-emui-firmware/

Then, in Magisk Manager, click install and chose the option to patch boot image. Just follow the instructions.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] stillrottentothegore:
Cool, I've extracted the ramdisk.img from the rom, but when I press install in the Magisk Manager is just gives me the option to install Magisk v17.1.zip or whatever, I don't have the option to patch a boot image.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] M1chiel:
If I remember correctly it you get the patch option after the download. Check here for instructions: https://xdaforums.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk-v7-universal-systemless-t3473445
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] stillrottentothegore:
That did it, thanks mate.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] stillrottentothegore:
Running the Lineage Beta 5 rom with gamma kernel. Any body try any casting? Seems to run pretty hot, GSAM is giving me 43 celsius during, battery gets killed during as well.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Doman:
What "camera abilities" are lost with OpenKirin?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] M1chiel:
I think very few (the one I know of is storing selfies with a beauty level >0), but the camera app restarts if you switch modes (e.g. from cam to video or from front to back).
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Doman:
Ok, but all these problem are releted to the stock camera app? 3rd party camera apps from Google Play Store work without issues, crashes, etc?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] M1chiel:
Yes, they do, but they generally have fewer features than the EMUI cam.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] tiktok1:
Is there an option to install without gapps?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] M1chiel:
No
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] tiktok1:
Thats a shame, would have been good if gapps intall was up to the user...
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] M1chiel:
But you can remove the Gapps after installing, if you want. They included only a minimum package (equivalent to pico or nano OpenGapps).
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] tiktok1:
Thanks, good to know, should be easier than removing a full gapps
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] pitigi:
I have p 10 VTR-L09 vidofone version , unlocked bootloader Do I need to install twrp castum recovery and magisk root

or I need to stay on stock recoweri and install rom with adb comand ?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] M1chiel:
Stock recovery and install with fastboot, as outlined on openkirin.net.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] VIPNobie:
Anybody else experiencing heating and battery issues with OmniROM Pie 3?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] tw1st3d83:
Try OmniRom Pie - alpha 4. It works good for now, i flashed it 24h ago.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] isavoro:
pie 4 here on p10 and no fast charge even if fcp is enabled on gear.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] VIPNobie:
Oh, I thought my cable was acting up. Same here though, no fast charging.

Is it possible to disable one of the sim in OmniROM?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] isavoro:
Sadly no, it's not the cable..
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] burimselmani:
Its been 12h since installed OmniROM Pie Alpha 5.2 and so far didn't see any bug, some minor bugs like camera taking a few seconds to switch between front and selfie, didn't notice other bugs, so far so good, I like it!
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] VIPNobie:
I'm still having heat issues on the latest beta. Even though there's no fastcharging enabled, my phone gets hot. Watching 720p60 videos in YouTube also makes it hot. Anyone else who has this?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] xZhongCheng:
To Update from 4.0 to 5.2 Omnipie, would I have to do a factory reset and wipe?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] BloodBullet:
By the way... is it fine to install custom recovery and Magisk after successful installation of any of those ROMs? I'm specifically asking about the Resurrection Remix OS. I installed it on P10 VTR-L29C432.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] tw1st3d83:
You can install it and use it without problems. Install latest official Magisk version, it works like a charm. ? Same device and rom here ... And Magisk.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] BloodBullet:
Can you tell me which TWRP you had though? I installed this one -> https://xdaforums.com/p10/development/recovery-twrp-3-2-1-0-emui-8-0-4-04-2018-t3773449 ...

... but phone wouldn't boot into TWRP so it bootlooped. It just went to the starter TWRP Logo screen and wouldn't launch. I reinstalled the stock recovory so now my phone boots normally but apparently this TWRP version doesn't work for me. I'd greatly appreciate any help.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] tw1st3d83:
Use this one: https://xdaforums.com/p10-plus/development/recovery-twrp-3-2-1-0-oreo-t3734993

Encryption doesn't work, you can not flash system.img with it and i didn't try if backup works but for flashing Magisk or Gapps it works just fine. Just be sure that ZIP-s you want to flash are on SD card.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] VIPNobie:
On OmniROM 5.2 and no more overheating issue for me. Battery life is still quite weak compared to stock.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] BloodBullet:
Did just that mate, everything worked like a charm, both latest version and TWRP. :D Thanks a lot again.

EDIT: One last question (I'm sorry :D ) -> do you have any Audio mods on your device? I see you're using the same device/rom/magisk so I was curious if let's say Viper for example would work normally now (it doesn't on stock EMUI 8).

EDIT2: Nevermind... At first I installed Viper but it didnt quite work (idk, it kept asking me to reinstall drivers) so I installed JamesDSP and it's working fine for now.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] stefan.irmen:
New release is out, EMUI 9-based build!

RR OS 7.0.1 Beta 1...

Installed it (came from EMUI Pie 165) an it works very smooth... Tested a lot of things, no bugs fund until now!

Video Stabilisation also works fine, which is a huge Problem sind EMUI Pie Update...
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] fr3ker:
can anyone point me a way to install magisk / root? I'm on VTR-L29 Lineage OS & no recovery has been a success flashing magisk.zip

I even did the ramdisk.img patch still didn't come to success. anyone had the same problem?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] stefan.irmen:
Does the tutorial on openkirin.net not work for you?

https://openkirin.net/user_guide/how-to-install-magisk/
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] fr3ker:
nope ... didn't work either. ramdisk didnt make root after restart
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] BloodBullet:
I noticed that there's a problem with the stock Camera app on RR OS - it crashes on most of the modes (for example Slow Mo, or sometimes when switching to front camera). Workaround is installing an additional Camera app - like the Google camera for Kirin. However you still cannot take 20MP photos, it's locked up to 12 MP. Other modes seem to work fine tho.

Still... after several months of use I can say that it's rather fine for everyday use. There are some rare stutters or crashes here and there but nothing too huge. Weird bug that today occured was whenever I pressed my power button on locked screen (just to turn on the screen, not unlocking it via the fingerprint) there was some kind of a hardware error where the fingerprint icon was and the phone was forced in restart. It restarded several times and after I went into settings and removed and added again the fingerprints it got fixed somehow.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Chung69:
What about the camera? Is it stable or it has the same problems as in android oreo?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] stefan.irmen:
Its stable and works fine! Im very satisfied about the build!
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] tw1st3d83:
New Omni build on the site! ?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] stefan.irmen:
I have installed RR and i am very happy with this...

Whats the main difference from Omni Rom to RR?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] tw1st3d83:
Omni have less customization options but it have OTA updates.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] nexuspur:
the RR build works very well. Imo better than the emiu build. Thank you devs for making this possible :)
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Chung69:
Have you found a bug? I want to install it, but don't have time to test because I need my phone everyday at work. Thanks
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] tw1st3d83:
For me, it uses more battery than EMUI so im waiting for new build.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] nexuspur:
You are right it uses More battery especially over night. Same setup as on emui. But other than that it is working great.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Thierry95:
i have vtr-l09 model with emui build 9.1.0.262(C02E9R1P9). Can i install this rom?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] valgusk:
on l29 resurrection installed and worked fine, but omnirom did not
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] cesedy:
Hi.

I need an advice.

I was using fRomFuture B370 and wanted to upgrade to OpenKirin with EMUI 9.

So, I flashed stock firmware (EMUI 8) and started OTA upgrade process to EMUI 9.

I got update after update untill I landed on 9.1.0.252 firmware.

As I understand, there is an update to EROFS file system where /system partition is read only.

Now, I don't understand - can I proceed to install OpenKirin or do I need to downgrade for previous 9.1 version?

If so, how? Which TWRP I would need to use?

Thank you.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] zgfg:
9.1 is already EROFS. Consult the other guides, I think you can downgrade to 9.0.1 (before EROFS) by HiSuite
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] RumbleRamy:
AOSP 10 Preview 1 looks alright on my Huawei P10
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] TheRuedi:
Thanks a lot for the OmniRom, I installed the OmniRom Beta 5 on my P10 yesterday, it works like a charme besides the Wifi going off when the screen ist off. I just saw that openkirin.net ist down, it says

Account Suspended

This Account has been suspended.

Contact your hosting provider for more information.

Luckily I installed it yesterday and not today ?

Just for information: I was on EMUI 9.1 and downgraded as supposed before to EMUI 9.0 with the HiSuite, then I just followed the instructions in openkirin.net.

I bricked my P10 before when flashing OmniRom Beta 5 with EMUI 9.1. I had to extract several partitions from a Huawei Update binary and flash them manually in order to be able to start the system restore over WiFi on the P10.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] andreas21042:
Hi! Which partitions did you flash exactly to unbrick your P10? Mine has a 'finding package error' when restoring with eRecovery
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] kenzyyy:
Hi how did you unbrick? I tried flashing kernel,. system.img via fastboot but I get FAILED (remote: Command not allowed)

I cant access eRecovery nor I have any signs of life of P10 only WIndows recognizes it and thats it (fastboot also)
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] fr3ker:
heyy ... Saw this AOSP 10 Preview 1 on openkirin.net/download . hav anyone tried it yet?? would love to know if works for daily deivers . I kinda can't afford to risk using buggy phones ATM .
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] RumbleRamy:
I tried it and it looks nice on my P10 but it has quite few bugs
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] iFlashed:
Like what?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] fanliv:
I'm in RR base 9.0, the front camera has some glitches, anyway can I use my fingerprint on my P10 as the way that Huawei did? Tap for back, long tap for home, slide for recent screen?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] irony_delerium:
For the front camera: disable NFC while you're using it. (I suspect EMUI does this automatically, but it's something that's probably just a hardware design flaw on Huawei's part.)

For the fingerprint gestures, you should be able to find those in settings.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] fanliv:
I was back to emui because of these 2 problems. Maybe the front camera NFC trick work, but for the navigation, I promise, I've spent a whole day in the RR rom settings. There are 3 options:

edge gesture (slide from left right and bottom)

Android 10 new navbar with one back and one home button

3 classic navigation button

Could you show me where is the place that I can find the way to use my fingerprint home button.

p/s: before switch back to EMUI, I've tried OmniRom that I can custom navigation action for the home button, but I've switched back to EMUI for some reason I don't remember (maybe the font Camera glitch I guess)
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] irony_delerium:
In the OmniROM builds, it would be under OmniGears / Device Settings.

As I recall in RR, there's a top level item "OpenKirin Settings".

There should be options for fingerprint gestures there.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] fanliv:
Thank you very much, I came back to RR os and the fingerprint gestures option is in Settings/System/Openkirin, I've turned off NFC and the front camera work well.

:good::good:

p/s: I wonder if the AOSP 10 Preview 2 has fingerprint gestures or not?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] irony_delerium:
No, they aren't implemented there.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] fanliv:
I realize the gallery app doesn't support some camera features like moving photo, aperture, is there any way I can get huawei gallery app back? Downloaded some apks but cannot install them :confused::confused:
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] irony_delerium:
Huawei gallery app depends on EMUI. The camera app, surprisingly, is less dependent on it, but things like aperture and moving photo depend on it. Not really anything much to be done about it without someone basically ripping EMUI out of the gallery app itself.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] TheRuedi:
Could you please provide a bug fixed update of the Android 10 ROM? I tried it but it is not stable, I have issues with the mobile network. Android 9 Beta 5 is completely fine.
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] BlaMa:
Hi,

I just installed on my Huawei P10 AOSP 10 Preview 2.

Nice build, seems to be without problem, but there is missing one key feature - gestures on fingerprint sensor(as in stock ROM). Is it possible to enable or implement these gestures?
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] espaciosalter20:
Thanks for latest AEX Android 10 available for our old device...
[Huawei P10 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] RumbleRamy:
Hopefully this project wont die and we see a stable android 10 release. Wich the chances are very slim
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boogersugar:
Phone is a ANS UL40 running 7.1.1

Battery will randomly go from partial charge to 0%.

This just started happening after having the phone about 6 months.

If I leave the phone unplugged overnight, it will be dead by morning (this is a new thing, it holds a charge pretty well). Doesn't have to be overnight either, could be just a half hour or something. The battery just dies randomly.

Even if I do have the phone plugged in and have the screen on (watching a youtube stream) it will randomly go to 0% and self shutdown.

Stock battery which seems to be stuck inside the phone. It doesn't seem to come out, I don't know if it's glued in or what.

ANS branded 3.8v 1700mAh 6.46Wh part # UL40BATT limited charge voltage: 4.35v

Printed: "Warning: This battery is built-in and is not removable"
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rjm831:
Its actually removable -
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mccpimjulia:
I have the same issue with mine and I just received it as a replacement phone about 3 months ago. If anyone has a clue as to what to do please share. Been to all the blog pages and customer pages related to this model and it seems to be a recurring issue and so is overheating and a dozen other things. What the point in having Lifeline when all the phones that they give or sell don't work.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MFaklis:
And I thought it was just me. Needing a lifeline phone seems to mean we get the worst of the worst devices. I had to pay extra for the UL40 because the "free" phone was useless. The UL40 is near useless, and this battery issue makes it unreliable.