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[Android Apps and Games] spaetz:
I have 102 running (latest from fdroid) and I have not checked 'aktiviert' (active) in the extended settings. Still I get the notification that FairEmail is syncing 1 or 0 accounts (if I have disabled fetching in the only account I set up). So something is not working. If I deactivate it, it should be gone. And secondly, if 0 accounts are set up to fetch, FairEmail should not be running either.

Other than that it works great.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This was reported before, but I cannot reproduce this and I have tried several times.

If no accounts are setup, FairEmail will not be running.

Please upgrade to the latest version:

https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/releases/

Only the latest version is supported.

Edit: disabling the service might take some time, so have a little patience.
[Android Apps and Games] BreckZeBoulay:
I am making a fresh install, and the keep alive is still at 9.
[Android Apps and Games] pearljohn:
I'm using fastmail on the newest free version to test, every email I send from fairmail leaves and gets delivered very fast but shows up in the outbox and stays there instead of the sent folder.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You'll likely need to enable the advanced setting "store sent", see the FAQ for more information.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I will look into it.
[Android Apps and Games] pearljohn:
Thanks, I'll have a read now.

Working find after enabling that option.

Thanks a lot.

Purchasing now.
[Android Apps and Games] BreckZeBoulay:
In folders lists, the bottom of the letters is cropped.
[Android Apps and Games] pearljohn:
Any way to delete a left over message from the outbox?

Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
No, only messages with errors can be deleted.

I will see if I can make this possible.
[Android Apps and Games] ouzowtf:
I'm using version 1.110, checked the FAQ, checked advanced options, account options and can't find this setting anywhere.

Can someone borrow me some glasses?
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
It is the last checkmark under Edit identity - Advanced.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Take off those dark sun glasses ;) and look at the bottom of the advanced identity settings.
[Android Apps and Games] BreckZeBoulay:
Is it bad ? (see screenshot)

I restarted FairEmail and no more error
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
It is just that the connection was terminated. FairEmail will reconnect automatically, no worries.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am thinking about adding "Sent with FairEmail" for the free version. How do you feel about that?

Edit: I am not going to add this because I think everybody should be able to use FairEmail without limitations for better privacy. Optional pro features is another matter.
[Android Apps and Games] JoroBo:
I'm a paid user so it would not affect me but I never liked that type of message in a signature. Why should anybody know what app or device one is using? I understand the idea of promoting the app but I think it actually goes against the goal of the app which is protecting privacy. That being said if you really want to add it then I guess people could live with that as long as it is possible to change/delete it even in the free version.

Edit : just saw you will not be adding it :)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Since there are not many users, just a few hundred, a little promotion would be welcome, but I think this is not the right way. I guess it could even be counterproductive.
[Android Apps and Games] ouzowtf:
Ooooookay, that was a bit unexpected for me.

But when I rethink what happened a few days ago...

I have two identities for one account. With the first identity everything works as expected. Sent mails are shown in the sent folder. The save sent mails setting is not set.

But the two other mails I sent from the second identity are still shown in the outbox folder.

I set the setting for both identities now and wanted to clean up the mess, but I can't open or move the mails from outbox folder to the sent folder.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
One thing will be solved now: there won't be complaints about too many updates anymore ...
[Android Apps and Games] heli_xda:
It's sad to hear this happened. FairEmail was the best android email client by a country mile. I fully support your decisions and understand you reasons. Wishing you all the best Marcel!
[Android Apps and Games] zentis:
I meant more in term of community, I support quite a few opensource developers like this and I've found that at least in the comments on Patreon (or equivalent) people tend to be friendlier and more respectful in their interactions than people are otherwise. Weirdly, people who try to pay (even if it's 1$ a month) tend to be less entitled than people who get something for free.

It wouldn't stop the app being free for non supporters but at least it might stop the negativity and the weight of all the support requests you'd get otherwise? And if you get a regular income from it, you might no longer need to care as much about negative reviews.

Sorry if I'm presumptuous, it's just really sad when developers like you who do such a great job and significantly contribute to make the world a better place, feel burned out and under-appreciated because of the deluge of unfriendly email and unfair reviews.

Anyhow, thanks for all the work you did on that, I'll always appreciate it and I've just donated to Fairmail regardless of you continuing or not.

Also, just read about your girlfriend, hope she makes a quick and full recovery!
[Android Apps and Games] hammyhavoc:
Thank you for your hard work, Marcel.

I've had similarly bad experiences with both Google and Apple, so I can wholly sympathise with the frustration. If you aren't a big corp generating them plenty of revenue, you don't exist as far as they're concerned in terms of support. It can feel impossible to actually mix a project like this with a big corp's store. I gave up, as have many others. "Hostile" is a word that comes to mind.

You don't owe anybody anything. If you feel you need to not do this anymore and be present with your girlfriend, go for it, mate. I don't think anybody is going to judge over it, I think most of us would do the same.

Wishing you both excellent health and happiness, whatever you do, and wherever you go. Whenever you are mentioned in the future, it will be with warmth and positivity.

One thing is for sure, you are very talented, so I know you'll go on to do further great things. Hope we cross paths at some point, I'll buy you lunch.
[Android Apps and Games] lzbm0:
hi! i am not a software developer. so what i say comes from a different background. what i can say is that as a member of many forums on discord and matrix that so many people are talking about this: i did not realize how many people love your app across the world until now! and i understand why since my wife and i rely on fairemail to assist our business every day. so much love from us two in canada to you and hope your girlfriend gets better and becomes your wife :) have a happy day!
[Android Apps and Games] haksuu:
Really bad and sad news 😞

I'm a big fan of all your Apps. Some have accompanied me for almost a decade.

It wasn't even a week ago that I came across FairEmail while looking for a replacement for the gmail email client. When you announced that you were discontinuing the app, it still felt like i was losing a part of my life. That's how much I like the app.

Nevertheless, I understand your reasoning. Thank you very much for the many years and wish you and your dearest only the best.
[Android Apps and Games] _mat_:
@M66B I just read about the Google issue and your decision to stop maintaining and developing the app. I hope your private stituation will become better and your girlfriend will recover soon. As I switched to Fairmail (Pro) just recently I am very sad because I felt I found the right mail app now. Using R2Mail2 before it feels like a bad series :-( . As many others I would love if you revoke your decision but it sounds like you won't do. I wish you all the best!
[Android Apps and Games] crypta:
@M66B

Golem.de: IT-News für Profis

It is a small world nowadays 😉, you have been recognized.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just sent this to Google:

I don't think there will be a proper response, but at least I can try.

Version 1.1899 was approved in the Play store test program today, but that doesn't say me much because this happened before after a few random changes too. In other words, this problem can return at any time.
[Android Apps and Games] crovaxon:
@M66B

Just registered after I read about the sad news. Please know that FairEmail was the first app I paid for just to support it/you for the continous effort, none of the Pro features were important to me.

It is the first mail app that simply worked, without any issue whatsoever while being open source and privacy focused.

I know this will not change how Google treats you but thank you nonetheless for all you did and still do and I hope you will find the joy again in developing, perhaps outside of Google.

All the best to your girlfriend.
[Android Apps and Games] joeyboon:
I also just registered to say thank you to Marcel! Fairemail is by far my favorite app of all time. I'm really going to miss having an actual working and privacy friendly email app. Thanks again.

In hopes of helping I sent an email to the Dutch PR person from Google (Rachid Finge). Hopefully he reads it.
[Android Apps and Games] saurabhinabyss:
It's your project, your decision alone to continue working or not. As an user i wish i could financially support this and netguard. And i'll do so, once i have a job. But until then, i'd like to help in any other way possible, so that all your projects go on as long as possible.

Maybe, learn and understand your product better and answer some queries on your behalf.

Maybe few more willing developers come along and donate their free time etc.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I think this guy can help:

I just commented on the reddit post about this but I'll bring it in here too: Th... | Hacker News

news.ycombinator.com
[Android Apps and Games] gast07:
Just to chime in. Sad news!

Never used Playstore version and stumbled over the news on HN.

I hope this gets resolved fast. And your gf recovers soon.
[Android Apps and Games] ahb83:
This sucks. You're the best, Marcel, loved your apps and bought them more than once.

Good luck.
[Android Apps and Games] 192.168.0.0:
Hi,

Like quite a few people here, I just registered after hearing about this. Unlike (I guess) most others however, I wasn't a FairEmail user, I heard the news on some obscure anti-Google Telegram channel. Not that I didn't like the app, just that I never really looked for it because I too hate that feeling of being a slave of Google and this is the feeling I get any time I spend on my smartphone, so I just do as little as I can on it - which obviously implies not checking my e-mails there.

Still it's sad to see what seemed like such a great project come to an end. In yesterday's post where you mentioned the alternatives, I noticed many raise the problem of "more bad reviews", but since I understand you're not in it for the money, I'd say you could just ignore them (easier said than done, okay). After all, if the idea is to run the project for fun, you could just do the fun parts and let the rest (reviews, support, whatever else is boring) take care of itself.

Anyway, I get that you seem to be maybe more globally fed up / burned out with the whole "making and maintaining apps against a tedious bureaucracy + whiny users" thing - same thing happened to me in the past, only not with phone apps (old and grumpy dev here too ^^), so thanks for all your contributions and hopefully someone (not me 👀) will step up and carry on.

Best luck to you and your girlfriend.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The response of Google:

So, the same as before.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
We are at level 3 now:

Note that "would like" is now "required".
[Android Apps and Games] PeterPiper.pp:
Hi Marcel,

I am a big fan of your apps. It's a shame to hear you're having such problems with Google. But first of all, of course, it's about your partner's health. I wish her a speedy recovery and all the best for you both.

Kind regards
[Android Apps and Games] chris122380:
I am so sad and upset with Google by this news. I purchased Fairemail so I can use the email app I love and enjoy using, rather than to be told by Google I can't use something. It's also the only email app that I haven't had issues with syncing after upgrading to Android 12. The Android 12 problem is probably a Google problem but Fairemail just works. I did send a few emails but the support was fantastic. No other paid product I have purchased from the Play store could compete with that kind of support. No other paid or free product (for that matter) has a well a written help pages and documentation as did Marcel with the GitHub documentation. Any other programmer in here could learn from Marcel's help documents. It is the only open source email program I would trust and now I'm not even sure where I would go if I have to migrate to a different email app 😢
[Android Apps and Games] chris122380:
FYI - I first heard about this from a tweet by @ghacks. My first response was to be angry with Google. I cried I was so mad.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
@chris122380 you came from AquaMail I presume since I have seen your posts on the forum. Well do did I! Since yesterday's announcement by Marcel I downloaded AquaMail again and had it running in parallel with FE . Oh no! I was quickly reminded why I switched to FE in the first place. Aqua isnow in the hands of some junior developers( Mobisystems has also dumped it) and they do their work by trial and error. The point of all this is to once again applaud the work Marcel had done and how tragic it would be to see this great app die a premature death!
[Android Apps and Games] chris122380:
Yep, that's me. I pretty much had left Aquamail for Fairemail. It was working fine until most recent updates and then Aquamail broke background sync. I missed a very important email and that's when I decided to dive into Fairemail as my full-time email app and I haven't missed an email sense. The problem with going anywhere else is you'll inherit the exact same problems (bloated, background sync issues, etc). None of these issues exist with Fairemail. Fairemail is also the only email program I know of or could find that supports Tracking protections. It's sad that something unique like this in Fairemail isn't more standard practice but instead you have other email companies that would rather spy on you (but yet they're still allowed in the Google Play store.) So Google will accuse a privacy secure email app for being something it isn't but will allow spyware-based email apps to flourish in the Play store. How the hell does any of that make any sense.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Well said! Whatever is happening with FE is nothing short of tragic and the result of an arrogant and haughty tech company. Hope this issue resolves for the sake of all us users and for the sake of Marcel who will get some happiness out if all the effort he has put in.
[Android Apps and Games] BillyCoolTomari:
I don't usually comment here, but I heard the news and it's really depressing. I've been using your apps since the good old XPrivacy days, and they've been truly excellent. Thank you so much for all your work over the years. I really hope things work out and this isn't the end.
[Android Apps and Games] EuK_V:
Hi, Marcel,

I hope you change your mind someday.

May God bless you and your loved ones.
[Android Apps and Games] YF000:
Sad to see the author (M66B) seem to be defeated by hard life, review pressure and Google policies.

I've been using the app for a few years, admiring its design and philosophy, and contributing its localization, as well as some communication to M66B. In my opinion, the project is amazing, but its development and community maintenance may not be so healthy. While M66B provides as exhaustive FAQs as possible, there doesn't seem to be an active, searchable user discussion community, and users sometimes have to ask the author directly - the author respond quickly, M66B maybe ever enjoy the process, but obviously it also brings great pressure. Even, I first noticed this amazing XDA post, and it doesn't seem to be included anywhere in this project. This also prevented me from sharing opinions or insights about the software, so I was always a user rather than a participant.

In fact, I've also tried reading and refining some code in small amounts and providing it to the author, but the private email exchanges and comments seem less efficient and transparent. This is still a one-person project, although it's open-source code. Other posts have made some suggestions for code structure / community, I hope M66B or anyone can pick it up.

Furthermore, I suggest M66B ignore flippant Play Store reviews as they may not be a user who actually needs it. And build a user community for user support, only provide limited personal support to protect your live. Google Play may be an important source of installation, but for privacy-oriented / loyal users, the third-party sources (GitHub/F-droid/...) may be better or acceptable.

Anyway, thank you for bringing this wonderful software.
[Android Apps and Games] Kogam22:
Well, whatever you decide on in the end, thank you for all your efforts. Truly appreciate it.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I like to say something about the code quality because there were some comments about this.

The code quality is far from perfect, but on the other hand the app is pretty stable and functional. I refactored stuff rather often, but if the one man army needs to choose between significant rewrites, likely causing bugs and instability, and fixing a know issue when reformatting lists, what is it gonna be? (One of the few known problems)

Any developer would do things differently when starting over. Also, a project like this isn't only about pure code quality. It isn't a lab, but a real world application.
[Android Apps and Games] Austinredstoner:
I don't like that fairemail is being discontinued because of Google. Does that mean xprivacy and your other apps are also discontinued as well prior to this.
[Android Apps and Games] EngineerMind:
I can understand you probably have a lot of different feelings going on right now such as frustration, disappointment, etc.

Maybe just step away and ignore everything app related for a while since it's way too much to deal with everything else going on personally.

Then, maybe down the road, slowly re-engage at a pace that you are comfortable with.

...I would like to make just one request, please leave the forum threads and github open so we can try to keep your products going ourselves in the event you decide not to return to developing.
[Android Apps and Games] GTrash81:
Stumbled across this thread from another post.

Oh man, screw you Google and all the haters.

I found FairMail, bought it and use it happily.

Don't follow the comments, so I don't know what

the problems are, but probably they are 1st-World-Premium

problems.

Have a nice day, good luck and let's see how long

Fairmail will work, until Google patches something and

the app breaks....
[Android Apps and Games] NeO4TrvvGFLay5GJnVfB1IHSs:
I like many other have registered just now to state how much I appreciate your effort over the years.

Yeah, I also saw this comment on HN and the first thing I thought was that "This person has never maintained a FOSS application"

They can talk about code quality all they like, but I doubt they'll ever have the impact your software has for everyday users; using the latest API's or switching to Kotlin doesn't mean anything to the end user. At the end of the day, the only code that matters are the ones that help people solve problems, and both FairEmail and NetGuard has done that for thousands, if not millions, of users. So even if you don't resume development, thanks so much for what you've done so far.
[Android Apps and Games] paul-antoine:
Just found out about what happened with Google and installed FairEmail. I found it so excellent (in fact the best e-mail app I've ever had) that I just purchased it in support, I hope in support others will do that too.

I wish Marcel all the very best and hope he will come back in time to his great project.

With great appreciation.
[Android Apps and Games] EngineerMind:
What about this...

Maybe say in the required disclosure "I am required to inform you that Google believes that this app will uploaded your contact list. However, only Google knows where it is being uploaded to because I am the sole developer of this app and I can guarantee you there there is no code in this app that would cause your contact list to be uploaded anywhere. To prove this, you can download the source code and examine it yourself at (github location)."

:giggle:
[Android Apps and Games] _mat_:
Even the same developer would do things differently if he would start again :-D If I look over older code of myself, wtf... Even if you are experienced you nevertheless will improve continuosly. Also the languages itself are moving on providing newer, better functions you did not have before. But you won't review your code again and again. Especially when doing it in your free time. So no need to justify in my opinion. You built a great app and the feedback in this thread proves that right ;-)
[Android Apps and Games] emacsomancer:
This is extremely upsetting. Not only was I really impressed with the support model of FairEmail (easy to support the developer financially, in a way that encourages but does not compel), but FairEmail is one of the best email interfaces, not only in terms of open-source, or even in terms of Android or even mobile, but just in general.

Glad that I did support this project (and the dev's other projects). Very saddened by what the developer has been going through and the results of that. (Cue "this is why we can't have nice things".)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
XPrivacyLua and NetGuard received only basic maintenance for basically the same reasons already, and they were discontinued yesterday too.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I mostly feel liberated.

The XDA threads were closed and reopened and the GitHub project were made invisible and restored in archived state and I have no plans to change this.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
There is no option for explanations like this. Linking to website where you can download the app too means an automatic removal of an app from the Play store within a few days (happened to NetGuard).
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
One of the comments I read today was saying the opposite of this.
[Android Apps and Games] zivonex:
Hey dear M66B,

I am sad to about the discontinue of the project yet if you're feeling better and liberated with that decision I am happy for you!

- Long time FairEmail user (paid version), shortly after found that app Ive purchased it and made it my daily-driver and default application.

P.S about the frequent updates - Loved it, it showed that you care for that and always evolving and trying to find a better way.

I wish you have a great life full with creations and happiness, Thanks for the hard work!
[Android Apps and Games] broccoli_2k:
Sorry to hear this, it's a great email app and a real shame to see another good thing trodden under google's dirty boots. But if it's too much to deal with then you have every right to drop it, don't martyr yourself with stress.

Sending best wishes to you and yours.
[Android Apps and Games] LPW00:
When people buy an app, they buy the current application, they don't buy promises of future code. Every update on top of that must be seen as a bonus.

That is to say, you don't owe people sh*t.