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[Android Apps and Games] Surfinette:
I agree. [MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION] you should ignore the bad 1/2 star review. All apps have these bad reviews in the play store. Can you name any app rated 5.0 with many reviews? Anyways FE is 4.7 in the French store, which is very high.

And I don't think bad reviews, notably when they are not many, will limit the number of downloads for your app. The problem with bad reviews is when they are really justified (buggy apps), and usually, when you read bad reviews you understand whether it's coming from the user not understanding how to use the app, or because there are a serious limiting bugs. People reading bad FE reviews will also notice that you answer each of them in a personal (non robotic) way, which should reassure them that there is a serious dedicated developer behind the app.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
That's not the only case. Messages not despatched (attachment size limitations, address nor found? etc), replies from multi addressed mail that I sent, which have no value content wise and not worth retaining but the conversation needs to be retained. Folks who send attachments not required etc are some cases that I can think of. IMO, this is not an infrequently used option
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Okay, how do you propose to make this available again in the current design?

Edit: IMHO the advantages still outweigh the disadvantages, which is in this case that you will have to tap one extra time.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
My comment was meant only to say that it is not a special use case.

I can't think of how it can be accommodated but one extra tap is no big deal
[Android Apps and Games] Surfinette:
A suggestion: Why don't you put a trash icon just besides the 3 dots... this one would be for the single message (not the whole conversation), while the trash in the bottom bar would be for the whole conversation ?

You already had 2 trash icons in the previous setting anyways.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The idea is good, but I need to check if there is enough room for this (there can be buttons for decryption, verifying signatures and unsubscribing too). I would add a move instead of a trash button though for more flexibility.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
[MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION]

Printing a conversation having multiple mails

I had requested this before but you declined it. Can you please re-consider?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I still think it is not a good idea to add this. We are using enough paper already!

You can always print individual messages and the last message will probably contain the complete conversation anyway.
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Hiya Marcel - checking in - been a little while - looks like lots going on!!

Trying to follow the recent changes which sound generally positive and good.

I'm not able to test anything (play store doesn't have beta) - but my thoughts loosely speaking would be anything which has immediate action should be more specific than something with broader action. Trashing entire conversation is broader than individual or expanded messages. So trashing the entire conversation should be harder/more clicks than just a message.

So, perhaps Trash icon could use a popup to ask user to trash expanded messages or entire conversation.

Or make the trash icon only trash expanded message(s)- and move the ability to delete entire conversation to the 3 dot menu.

I suppose long press could be used as well for conversation deletion.

Trash can still use popup to seek users approval either way.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
[MENTION=2599254]Surfinette[/MENTION] there appears to be not enough room to add an icon as suggested.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Welcome back and thanks for the suggestions.

A conversation is being shown, so IMHO it is logically to trash/archive the conversion. Also: where should trashing/archiving a conversation go? Another things is auto closing, which can't be done for individual message operations.

Long pressing is an idea I had too, but it won't be a transparent function.

Edit: changing the behavior of the bottom navigation bar is not a good idea either.
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
The logic of things applying to conversation since its visible makes sense for sure.

3 dot menu could certainly be where harder stuff like conversation trashing could go.

I'm kind of leaning towards preferring a Trash icon has a popup which asks user to choose entire conversation or expanded only maybe? Perhaps an additional advance option to turn on which allows advanced users to choose default behavior (expanded or conversation) with no popup. In that case long press brings up the popup if needed.

Be interesting to see where you land on this.

Anyway - thanks for keeping things continuing advancing well.

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Oh the one part that is less obvious to me, though may be obvious to you is - how does one delete a single message in case where more than 1 message is expanded.

In my case only 1 message is ever expanded at a time so its not an issue for me.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
A popup would take away any question about what would happen and would be flexible. How do others think about this?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Three dots button, move to, trash.
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Wait - I cannot see what's there now but the 3 dot button that is at top now - how does it now which message if there are multiples expanded in conversation?

Without message bar even a new 3 dot button on bottom conversation bar - with multiples expanded is not clear which message would be deleted if multiple expanded. For me I only ever have 1 message expanded so it would be clear.

I'm probably missing something ... apologize if so.

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Anyway thanks again Marcel.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
It is a three three-dots button in the same row add the show pictures/original message row.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Simple solution: I am going to replace the spam button by a move button that shows a popup menu with archive, trash, delete and report as spam.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
That sounds good ...
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
No, no, I meant print to pdf
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Print to PDF to supported by Android:

https://www.howtogeek.com/165778/ev...t-printing-from-your-android-phone-or-tablet/
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Looks like I am not coming across clearly

There are multiple mails in a conversation. I want to save a pdf of the complete conversation, which doesn't seem possible now (unless I am missing it). Now, it is possible by 3 dot menu to use the print >save as pdf option for a single mail

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Edit : And save it on internal /cloud

Edit 2: just figured out it's possible by enabling quoted text and saving the last mail
[Android Apps and Games] JJ111:
But than one needs more than one click to delete an E-Mail.

I don't use and don't want to use the navigation bar (unnecessary space is lost). And I used the trash icon a lot.

I would wish a possibility, to delete an email with one (!) click.

So my solution: beside the 3 dots a trash icon. There is enough space to the right side of the 3 dots...
[Android Apps and Games] gimpy1:
Com"on guys. Your only talking about one extra click. :)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

BETA

version 1.999

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

Please report any issue you discover, so it can be fixed.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
[MENTION=7326491]JJ111[/MENTION] the bottom navigation bar can still be disabled and there is a new button to quickly move messages to the archive, trash or spam folder.
[Android Apps and Games] JJ111:
With me archive and spam are greyed out (I don't use them anyway), so in this case could the remove / delete button please directly delete instead of an extra click needed (that is not even at the same spot?)

Than everyone should be happy: if no archive/spam - > one click delete, and for all others they have the option...
[Android Apps and Games] Razorsoup:
I came here to see if anyone had suggested this feature yet and to see what the likely hood of it being added is. Would the processing power and battery usage be significantly more than clustering conversations based on sender+subject? Is this really the reason I can't find a client that has that option?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
It is very unlikely that this will be added because it should not be necessary. When you reply to a message, the email client should reference the replied to message. FairEmail will use this reference information to group the messages into a conversation. This is also how things are supposed to work according to the standards.

Gmail links some messages by subject. Lots of people actually hate this because the messages are not always directly related.
[Android Apps and Games] La_Globule:
Like [MENTION=4078157]chantoine[/MENTION] I use this feature very very frequently to get rid of mails in case of a conversation where each sender replies to previous message. I only keep the latest message with all the thread in order to save time to find the right message and to save storage space.

Thanks for having re-implemented it.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

BETA

version 1.1000

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

If there is no archive or spam folder the delete icon will directly delete [MENTION=7326491]JJ111[/MENTION]

By exception this version will be available as test version in the Play store [MENTION=10036357]gc01[/MENTION]

Please report any issue you discover, so it can be fixed.
[Android Apps and Games] Elektron60:
Number 1000! A very long way with a great result.
[Android Apps and Games] BreckZeBoulay:
I was waiting for v2.000 :D
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
1000 is "just" a number ;)

I am more interested in knowing if the current solution for the removed action bar is okay for everybody. Is the chosen icon okay?
[Android Apps and Games] BreckZeBoulay:
Just to be sure.

What action bar are you talking about ? (Green or red arrow on my screenshot)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Neither, the message action bar has been removed and replaced by the cross icon.
[Android Apps and Games] BreckZeBoulay:
Understood.

Why not for the cross icon.

Personnaly I use the bottom action bar to delete the messages (90% of received messages). With it, no need to scroll up to find the trash icon (now the cross icon).
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
With the delete icon in the conversation-action-bar you cannot delete a single mail, but only the whole conversation when you are in conversation mode. To reach the cross icon you don't have to scroll up, just press the up arrow.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
I can't suggest an alternative but it doesn't look nice in the sense, it doesn't suggest what actions are revealed on tapping (looking at it from a first time user PoV).

Does having a blurb that is dismissable by user that explains what the 3 dot menu does and the X icon does appeal? That's the best I can think of now

Edit : user can permanently disable blurb once they know
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Maybe you (or anybody else) can suggest an icon from here:

https://material.io/resources/icons/?style=baseline

I don't think a hint text is / should be necessary with the right icon.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
How about the hint text "Tap the cross icon to archive, delete or report a message as spam and to remove this notice" ?
[Android Apps and Games] wimstefan:
I have to admit I miss the message action bar quite a lot ...

After reading a message I either delete it or I move it to another folder. These actions were so easy with the action bar ...
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can use the cross icon to delete a message and you can use the three-dots button to move the message.

Isn't that good enough?

Note that the message action bar was removed after a lot of remarks about it!
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Sounds OK to me with a clause-- notice removal action should not be mixed up with information. Once user knows what the icon is about he can maybe long press to dismiss permanently

Can the cross be in a circle? Looks stark to me - like control point icon?

Take it with a ton of salt - trying to guess how a new user would like to react
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have tried this one, but to my taste it is too prominent:

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/g...action/2x_web/ic_highlight_off_white_48dp.png
[Android Apps and Games] mcglick:
My vote is for the old way. I strongly dislike the new layout. For me, I never used the bottom bar as not only was it redundant, but having it on the bottom seemed to interfere with navigation of the phone. Accedentally tapping trash can is bad. Also I never use snooze or nav arrows (there is swipe). I also prefer having the control bar scroll as it provides more screen for reading. As well, I prefer having those other options like the double arrow reply/fwd, folder move, spam, unsub, etc, readily available.

I love your app, sir, but am really dreading this new change, and if I'm reading this right you are doing this because a minority of bad reviews on gplay? Seems to me you should care more about the majority who love your app and are willing to pay for it. 2 cents. And btw I thought your app was already perfect about 200 versions ago!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
In my opinion the removed message action bar is an improvement because less space is being used and it results in a cleaner, less confusing layout.

There is a small price: archiving, deleting, moving and reporting a message as spam requires an extra tap.

Archiving and deleting can in most cases be done with the bottom navigation bar too and moving and reporting a message as spam are (hopefully) not common actions.

So, IMHO there are still more advantages than disadvantages.
[Android Apps and Games] JJ111:
Thank you very much for bringing one click delete back.

Only one thing: after deleting one gets put back into the overview. Before, the next message was shown, which makes more sense, since usually after deleting one wants to see the next (unread) message and probably delete it to after shortly looking at it.

So is this just a bug? Otherwise: could the next message please be shown after deleting (when being in view message mode)?
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Better than cross IMO

Edit:@M66B - even the cross if it is filled and in a circle is fine but that's not standard symbol.

Honestly, the cross looks yuck.. Please don't mind my frank view
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Actually, lots of bad reviews were related to the message action bar, so I think it is more than a minority.

You still don't need the bottom navigation bar because you can use the three-dots or cross icon and the reply button for all actions that were in the message action bar.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Nothing was changed to deleting messages itself.

Please make sure that auto close is disabled and the option below it is set to go to the next message (behavior settings).
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
just got 1.1000 - and a few mins.

Thanks for pushing a play store test.

The "X" icon - since there is so much free space on the row - perhaps a one click Trash can be separated from spam/archive?

Wonder if there's any way to have a delete button that is still visible for long messages when scrolled down?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
There can be more icons: decrypt, verify signature and unsubscribe, so there is not enough room for this on smaller screens.
[Android Apps and Games] JJ111:
Cool, thanks, obviously I missed this change / new function.

Now everything is perfect for me ????
[Android Apps and Games] wimstefan:
It is good enough ... it's one more tap away and not as convenient that's all.

And in my eyes (or should I say on my phone) the bar is not removed but still there with a cross icon (which I associate with either 'close' or 'delete') and *a lot* if whitespace that was previously used for a couple of (again in my eyes) useful action icons ...

I can live with the new design and just have the remark that I miss the previous functionality that was more than convenient for my use case.
[Android Apps and Games] Shakidor:
When I started using FairEmail, I disliked the action bar, but I subsequently got used to it.

However, on balance, I think that it was a good idea to remove it, because it did take up a lot of space, which I think detracted from the overall appearance.

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I think it is better with the circle, but it still looks a bit like some sort of chemical danger symbol.

The "no entry" sign used earlier was good for delete and spam, but didn't seem right for archiving.

Since the common denominator is that the message is not staying put, but being sent somewhere, perhaps something like this "no parking" symbol might be appropriate?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
In previous versions there was more white space where now the cross icon is.
[Android Apps and Games] BreckZeBoulay:
Having seperate icons for delete and archive is too much ? (most used actions in my opinion)

And put spam in 3 dots.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I will see if I can add all icons (archive, trash, spam) instead of the cross icon depending on the screen size.
[Android Apps and Games] aalto73:
Hello,

Here is my feedback on the removal of the action bar:

-floating reply button : it is good to have all possible actions at one place, and in my opinion it is a great improvement

-cross icon : not intuitive at first. I prefer the direct access to the trash action, as it is the action I use most of the time.

-the horizontal line separating the adress section to the message section is not useful in my opinion. In my opinion the different area of the interface do not need to have "physical separation".
[Android Apps and Games] kost7:
I use the spam action button quite a few times, so the recent change is a regression for me.

Still, it is only a minor nuisance as FE remains by far the best email app. Thank you again Marcel.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
For example, I never delete mails, because the machine can search and find much better and faster than I can. But treating a mail as spam is needed here all the time ;) But I don't care if I need one or two clicks for that ;)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released version 1.1001

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

I hope this version will make most people happy again.

Edit: [MENTION=10036357]gc01[/MENTION] this version was released in the Play store as test version too.

Please report any issue you discover, so it can be fixed.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
Great work.

I have to admit, these days, I am always behind on updates. As for my own usage fairemail works perfectly.

Currently the last apk I downloaded is 1.993

So time for an update.

Other news,

Seems like jmap is gaining a little traction, client-side that is - not sure if many servers use it though.

lttrs popped up, also k9mail got some funding to incorporate jmap, although development slowed down

Unfortunately lttrs also uses standard icon set for app icon, just a different colour:

How is this possible :confused: - https://github.com/iNPUTmice/lttrs-android:

Just wondering their approach

Also, this reminded me of the beginning of this app development:

No settings aside from account setup. Settings invite feature creep and make the app hard to maintain
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
As far as I know only one provider is offering JMAP, which is why I think it is not worth to put effort into this at this moment.

That is what reproducible builds is about.
[Android Apps and Games] BreckZeBoulay:
Just a cosmetic "issue", it's not a big deal.

When a contact has no image, there's a blank space before his name (screenshot_1).

Obviously, if the display of the contact's image is not allowed, no blank space (screenshot_2).

EDIT : just a suggestion with screenshot_3 if no image is defined for a contact.
[Android Apps and Games] tiktok1:
When doing a reply all to the latest email in a thread the recipients populated refer to the original email in the thread and do not reflect the latest recipients in the email being replied to.

Also I can't work out how to add another recipient when doing reply all. Can't get an empty recipient field.

Finally i don't seem able to add recipient by typing manually, only from contacts.

I don't know, last 2 points might be uaer error..

Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

alpha

version 0.63

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/releases

This is an alpha release (only available on GitHub) because handling threaded messages and new message notifications has significantly been changed.

When there are more messages in a thread (excluding in the archive folder, if any), the list of messages in the thread will be opened instead of the last message in the thread. Setting (un)read/(un)starred is now always done per message.

Instead of one new messages notification there will be a summary notification and a notification per message. On Android 7 and later Android will group these notifications, which means you can expand the summary notification to see the messages and expand a message notification to see the actions (mark read and trash).

XDA thanks, purchases and donations are still appreciated.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This will work differently in the just released version 0.63.

Recipients are separated by comma's. You can make the CC and BCC fields visible by using the people's icon in the action bar.

Just typing part of a name of email address should show a list of matching contacts.
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
If I star/unstar a message via longpress only that message is affected, but when I star a message while reading it (by tapping the star icon) the whole thread is starred.

Read/unread is working as expected though.

In all, this new approach feels much more natural to me, thanks!
[Android Apps and Games] BreckZeBoulay:
Works and THANK YOU !

Fast as lightning ! :D
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
Display name is working fine too, though it would be easier if the field was already filled in with the current name and editable, instead of greyed out like it is now.

Thinking of that, same would apply to some of the the fields in the setup like the port number etc., these are prefilled too but greyed out and you can not just edit them, you have to type the whole string in yourself.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The fields are not grayed out (=disabled), but a hint text is shown.

Both the folder display name and port numbers default to the hint text.

Edit: create an issue to remind me and I will set a default folder display name.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
With the latest changes, I like to hear if you think FairEmail is ready to be released in the Play store for everybody. Currently, FairEmail is available for testers only.

If you think it is not, I like to hear what should be done to make it ready.
[Android Apps and Games] BreckZeBoulay:
Ready to go for me :good: