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[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Hi Everyone. Sorry for my English.

I want to share how to cut unlocking time. Before i start doing this way i was have 255h Now 120H

Guide: Download From Here http://www.miui.com/download-345.html Latest China Dev Miui10

Go to do Settings /My Device/Miui Version/top right side 3dots/Chose update zip navigate downloaded Zip wait for flash.

After successfully installing go to do Mi Unloc Status and add account than try Unlock!

Warning! All your internal, system data will erased! And after flashing will ask you your account password.

Good look my account now have 117H :)

Unfortunately Guys Xiaomi closed this door. New unlock rime 720h.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] hosmsdos:
Dude, Thank you so much for this. been looking on how to get MIUi 10 beta on locked bootloader which i wanted and now i have 85 hours left

Thanks for sharing...xD
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Nice to hear))
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] drichieboi:
This will not unlock your bootloader because basically you only participate into beta program on which you can install miui 9 beta build as well as miui 10 beta as long as it is a chinese rom
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Thread abound unlock time. If you will install China dev rom waiting time for unlok shorting.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] israelnobrega:
Thank you!! Finally I now have MIUI 10 on muito Mi 8!:D
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] santo80s:
I can unlock BL MI8 2 times a day no problem
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
If you already unlocked device ofc u can.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] israelnobrega:
Hey, why I can't update to a newer version from 8.7.12? Has this version something like "anti rollback" thing??? P.s.: my bootloader is locked. I'm a little afraid about this anti rollback feature.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Don't know Dude. If you not planning to unlock your device don't install China dev but if you want to unlock u can try. Why i said this, after unlocking u will have twrp custom roms, easily you can do what you wish.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Papaya59:
Hello ! Thanks for the tip ;)

I have just a question, i bought my Mi 8 on aliexpress (Mi global Store), do you think i can flash the china dev Miui 10 over their "official global rom" (which we know it isn't an official global rom) or try to flash it without bricking my new phones ?

Thanks again ;) :)
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
You have in Developer options mi unlock status option?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Papaya59:
Sorry xdamami i receive my mi 8 tomorrow, i can't actually check that but i'll surely do it when it comes to me
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Dlm38:
Hello, I have about 110h left, do you think that if I do the tuto, my time will decrease? I could then switch to global 9.5 once the bootloader is unlocked?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Sure! Your device will unlock immediately bcz this method 120h cutting. Your waiting time will finish. Ofc if you unlock bl u can install which rom you want. But after installing global rom u can't lock your bl if you will do that on Global rom u will get bootloop.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Dlm38:
I just tried 72 hours left, so I can't unlock immediately?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
[MENTION=7424703]Dlm38[/MENTION] Strange many users confirmed and mine also 120h.

Are you connect your account after installing rom? Developer options /Mi unlockbStatus enter your account again and try unlock.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Dlm38:
Perfect, I thank you the second time worked

I downloaded the global rom, how to install it? thank you very much
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
In roms kernel section your answer. If you planning to root your device i recommend you install miui 10 xiaomi. eu rom. All languages there is have.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] NielsvdS:
Thank you so much! I had to wait 219 hours, but now after installation and a complete new setup I have to wait 96 hours! So I cant wait until friday :D
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pht38:
Hello i Want to be sûr before to do it. Sorry for my english. I have miui 9 China rom and lock bootloader and waiting 72h to unlock it. I juste need tout download and install via update manager in settings ans choose update package and select zip? After that i wil have 0 hours to wait?

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And i need to join beta program before?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] israelnobrega:
Yes. Easy. On mine worked. But, I don't know If this update has anti rollback thing, or if this is exclusive for Redmi Note 5/plus. Isn't necessary enroll beta program.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Just install China dev and enter account to mi unlock status done.

About rollback didn't know. Miui10 awesome looking for me. U can use xiaomi.eu rom.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] kahjay:
hi

i have test this. it was good and after i have unlock bootloader and flash global stable rom but the phone bootloop when i select region in settings at the beginning of the configuration. I don't know what i can do?? unlock bootloader but usb debug is off beacause i can't bypass inital configuration. What can i do?

Thank you.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] israelnobrega:
Did you solve It? If yes, How?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Don't know why bootloop. About usb debugging what you mean? It won't turning on? Use China sercer via an Vpn.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] kahjay:
I can't access Home. My phone can't pass thé initiale configuration After select nation And language and bootloop After again And again ??
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] israelnobrega:
Did you format data? Don't know if the following step is necessary But: did you flash the noverity zip file? (for decrypt)
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] kahjay:
Yes i try format data, fastboot flash, recovery with mipc suite beta 3.0, miflashtool, xiaomiadb sideload...
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Dude if you unlocked device just install twrp flash what you want boot device enable debugging than flash global rom. U can try Xiaomi.eu rom flash via twrp
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Papaya59:
Be carefull, Anti-rollback system is in MIUI 10 and already Hard bricked a lot of Mi 8

The only way to unbrick that is to possess an EDL authorized mi account, unless it impossible and you have to let it to after sale services.

If you want more info go in the "Hard bricked Mi8" thread on xda, you have also lot of thread in miui forums
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Djoey:
Sadly didnt work for me :( still 360 hours
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Go to developer options login again your account to mi unlock status than try unlock
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Djoey:
Thanks time is now 226 :D still to long but beter then 360
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] CrystalTM:
231 :(
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] NielsvdS:
Last 5 hours are now getting real! Can't wait anymore
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] skanskan:
Does it work?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Sure!
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Alexndr0:
Ok so I have MIUI 9.5.11.0 Stable (OEACNFA) with locked bootloader, how installing this ROM will not bricked my phone ?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Nope check for latest update on second ling maybe new one avaliable. Install it apply again account to mi unlock status than try unlock.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Alexndr0:
I follow what you wrote but it say "You're allow to flash the newest stable version published by MIUI forum from develop version only" :(

EDIT : worked with the latest version of MIUI
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ma-mod:
Hey Guys,

Wanted to flash the Miui 10 Dev Rom from this post, my phone is giving me an error. Actually its on Miui 9.6 Stable. You have an Idea ? I have the Option to bind my device in developer settings.

thanks,

regards
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Try download latest dev rom from second link.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ma-mod:
Thanks that worked. Now I have Miui 10. Thank you :good:
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] skanskan:
Can I also reduce time if I download and flash Xiaomi.eu ROM instead? (over the original Chinese ROM)

Or do I need to install the Chinese beta first?

Would I have any problem moving to the Xiaomi.eu or downgrading later?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Without unlock bl u can't flash any thing expect china dev or stable!

About downgrade don't know u can use eu miui 10 without problem. But 9.5 not sure! Im now using eu 10.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] skanskan:
Then If I want to wait just 120 hours instead of 360 do I need to try to unlock it while selecting the Chinese dev or stable ROM zip and after that I would move to Xiaomi.eu?

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It seems they aren't providing more EDL authorized accounts
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Not 120h u will be have 120h less time from 360 it is about 240h (5days less from 15)

Stay with Chinese dev when counting time. U can try every day unlock it will be show how many time left. After unlockin install twrp and chose what you want.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] skanskan:
Will I be able to flash xiaomi.eu then or may I have any kind of antirollback problem?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
To miui9 not sure. But miui10 based all roms you can install.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] skanskan:
Where can I find a list of Chinese ROM dev and its changelog?

I don't understand why we don't have this feature (reduced waiting time) if flashing the Xiaomi.eu directly, because it's based on the Chinese beta version.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Dude read what is bootloader unlock than everything will be clear.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] skanskan:
I know what is bootloader unlock, and it annoys me
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Superbia:
Hmm I am starting to feel a bit alone here about not having had any waiting time at all. What are you actually waiting for? My Mi8 arrived yesterday, locked bootloader. I booted up the phone, assigned it to my mi account, I then booted up miunlock tool, signed with mi account, booted phone to fastboot and unlocked it, straight away.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Golden account ?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] skanskan:
it asks for a password in Chinese.

What should I write?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Mxplorer:
What happens if i have only 71 hours left :> have waited for 2 weeks already allmost...should I flash it and see? ..dont wanna wait for 3 more days! :eek:
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xdamami:
Ofc u can install and directly unlock no need to wait 3 more days)
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] C4Vi:
Can I flash the latest dev MIUI 10 china on my Mi 8 Global 9.5.13.0?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Mxplorer:
Thanks, but downloading and trying to install it on my mi 8 doesnt work anyway. Am on chinese stable 9.6.6.0. when i try to install as an update it says: Cant verify update, its not allowed to upgrade to unofficial rom update.

ah ill be patient. thanks tho for the post..because it helped alot of others :D
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ziooomek65:
still 720h
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] skanskan:
Yo can flash a beta version of your ROM with the bootloader locked. And this will cut down the waiting time to unlock the booloader.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ziooomek65:
Still 720h at miui 10 8.8.31 BETA !!!
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] skanskan:
It worked for me two weeks ago.

Maybe they have changed something.

I've been lucky.

I've read they want to increase the time more and more, 1440h...

http://en.miui.com/thread-3696038-1-1.html
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] espipj:
Me too... Still 720h...
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Aprate:
Still 720h not working anymore :( But on the sunny side is we can use miui 10 now :D
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ricco59163:
684h on Miui10 8.11.8 beta ... :(
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] shoaib.hadi:
I have purchased MI 8 imported from China with chinese ROM MIUI 9.5 Stable V10.0.9.0.OEACNFH Stable 1.1G

I tried using MI Unlock tool and getting 720h

This device is locked!

There is 1 upgrade available from 'My device' - should I go for the OTA update? Could it brick my phone? Will it reduce my wait time? Please help

Thanks
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] webvan:
Is there a nasty message when you boot up the Mi 8 after you've unlocked (officially or unofficially) ? Does it go away if you reclock (assuming it's possible to relock) ? Thanks !
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] zhizhuz:
Hi, im new and i need help for this!(sorry for my english ).

So this is the thing, i buy a refurbushied htc 10 on aliexpress, i buy 5 phones before and never happens this.

The phone works grate, have android 7.0 and is unlocked carrier, the other day an update security pops, so i update the phone and

after this, apears insert the sim unlock code!!! my sim dosent work on the phone!. I dont know if the update remove the unlock or what, but dosent work, I buy a code for unlocked, but dosent work, then serching in the web find a page for chek imei, and all looks good, also serch the original carrier. What suposse I do? I dont try flashing 7.0 again, please help. I forgot I am from argentina.

Finally after several attempts I managed to unlock the phone with the code, solved. Thank you very much to all.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Tarima:
Can you post the output of a getvar all here?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] zhizhuz:
I buy two codes, one y Doctorsim and other in Movical, both of them give me the same code.

HTC download mode

LOCKED

htc_pmewl PVT s-on

LK-1.0.0.0000

RADIO-1.0.U020341a@61107

OpenDSP-v20.0.8996.00007_0809

OS-2.48.617.11

MAY 10 2017,17:01:29(907578)

CID developer edition bs_us100

Model 2PS6200 M10h
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] Nico3d3:
While, I do see quality in this phone, I still think it's filled with too much crapware. Many apps don't have the option to disable them in the apps menu in settings so, I used ADB shell to disable them. I'll see in a few days if it improved my battery life.

I used this command to disable unwanted app: "pm uninstall --user 0 xxxx.xxxxx.xxxx" . This way, the apps will still be there in system folder but they won't be there for the user.

Here's the list of everything I disabled:

pm uninstall --user 0 com.facebook.katana (Facebook app is obviously a battery hog and you can use Facebook Lite instead)

pm uninstall --user 0 com.facebook.services

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.app.spage (Bixby home, it's useless you can use Google Assistant instead)

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.visionintelligence (Bixby vision, it's useless you can use Google Lense)

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.app.reminder

pm uninstall --user 0 com.sec.android.app.clockpackage (Samsung clock, I prefer Google Clock app)

pm uninstall --user 0 com.sec.android.app.sbrowser (Samsung web Browser, I prefer to use Opera)

pm uninstall --user 0 com.quickplay.android.bellmediaplayer (this app is useful only for Bell TV customer)

pm uninstall --user 0 ca.bell.wt.android.tunesappswidget (this widget is useful only for Bell TV customer)

pm uninstall --user 0 com.sec.android.inputmethod (default Samsung keyboard, I prefer Google keyboard)

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.game.gamehome

pm uninstall --user 0 com.enhance.gameservice

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.game.gametools (supposedly useful for gamer but I'm not even sure if it really help improve gaming performance)

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.lool (device maintenance service, disabling it will remove "Device maintenance" option from the settings menu but, you don't really need it anyway since this app is doing more harm than good)

There's probably more you could disable but for now, that's enough for me.

You could also root your phone and completely remove these apps from the phone but I chose to use a simpler method because I'm getting lazy as I get older. Also, the ADB shell method won't void your warranty. Sadly, Motorola used to be the way to go to get a decently priced pure Android phone without crapware, but their customer service took a plunge when they were bought my Lenovo.
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] Nico3d3:
Here's a link to a complete tutorial on how to use ADB shell, you will need to plug your phone to your computer with a USB cable.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/6ftg72/want_to_completely_disableuninstall_those_pesky/
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] gauco:
The same can be achieved by using Package Disabler Pro, right?
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] 587.saboor:
Well kind of, if you dont want to save space

Package Disabler Pro disables it, not delete.
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] Nico3d3:
ADB Shell doesn't delete either, it only remove access for the current user. This way, you don't have to root your phone but, the app is still there in the system folder.
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] Nico3d3:
I uninstalled a few more apps in an effort to gain more RAM and speed up the phone:

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.themestore

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.drivelink.stub

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.SMT

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.app.vrsetupwizardstub

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.hmt.vrshell

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.hmt.vrsvc

but still, the phone lag occasionnally. Sometimes it take 1 second to open a basic app like Contacts. Does it get better with a different kernel?
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] Pipsname:
Without Device maintenance how do we stop battery management killing task?
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] Nico3d3:
Maybe I wrong but, I thought Device Maintenance Service was the one responsible for killing task??? Then, if you uninstall it, you won't have to worry about killed task anymore since the service isn't working.
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] the stranger94:
Can you install modded version of Facebook if you disable it in this way?

Tapatalked with my A8 2018 (SM-A530F)
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] Nico3d3:
I can't really answer since I didn't try but, I can tell you that Facebook lite is working.
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] Nico3d3:
Here's an updated list with things added:

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.rubin.app

pm uninstall --user 0 com.sec.spp.push

pm uninstall --user 0 com.sec.android.app.clockpackage

pm uninstall --user 0 com.sec.android.app.sbrowser

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.weather

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.game.gamehome

pm uninstall --user 0 com.enhance.gameservice

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.game.gametools

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.app.spage

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.visionintelligence

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.app.reminder

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.themestore

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.drivelink.stub

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.SMT

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.hmt.vrsvc

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.scloud

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.samsungpass

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.samsungpassautofill

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.app.talkback

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.spayfw

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.mateagent

pm uninstall --user 0 com.sec.android.daemonapp

pm uninstall --user 0 com.sec.android.inputmethod (you must install another keyboard app like Gboard before removing it)

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.storyservice

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.beaconmanager

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.easysetup

Every app in this list are app which you can't disable using the settings menu. There are many other useless apps (like Facebook) but, those apps have a button available to disable them.
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] JockeSve:
To remove more Facebook bloat You can remove 'FB App Manager' and 'FB Services' as well:

pm uninstall --user 0 com.facebook.system

pm uninstall --user 0 com.facebook.appmanager

So far (four days) no issues detected ...
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] Qaaqqu:
what is difference between pm uninstall --user 0 <name of package> and pm uninstall -k --user 0 <name of package>
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] Youdoofus:
if youre rooted, then you can use titanium backup to uninstall and titanium backup pro to freeze apps
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] adek89:
my list of system exemptions that I do not use

adb shell

pm uninstall --user 0 com.enhance.gameservice

pm uninstall --user 0 com.trustonic.tuiservice

pm uninstall --user 0 com.sec.android.inputmethod

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.rubin.app

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.messaging

pm uninstall --user 0 com.microsoft.office.word

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.app.reminder

pm uninstall --user 0 com.microsoft.office.powerpoint

pm uninstall --user 0 com.sec.android.daemonapp

pm uninstall --user 0 com.microsoft.skydrive

pm uninstall --user 0 com.sec.android.service.health

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.game.gametools

pm uninstall --user 0 com.sec.android.gallery3d

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.game.gamehome

pm uninstall --user 0 com.sec.android.app.samsungapps

pm uninstall --user 0 com.monotype.android.font.foundation

pm uninstall --user 0 com.microsoft.office.excel

pm uninstall --user 0 com.sec.android.mimage.photoretouching

pm uninstall --user 0 com.monotype.android.font.cooljazz

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.weather

pm uninstall --user 0 com.monotype.android.font.chococooky

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.drivelink.stub

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.visionintelligence

pm uninstall --user 0 com.dsi.ant.service.socket

pm uninstall --user 0 com.dsi.ant.server

pm uninstall --user 0 com.android.wallpaper.livepicker

pm uninstall --user 0 com.sec.android.easyMover.Agent

pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.weather
[Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) Guides, News, & Discussio] pokeS7att:
Answering bc this is the thread that came up in a google search when looking for this same answer.

According to https://developer.android.com/studio/command-line/adb :

uninstall [-k] package = "Remove this app package from the device. Add the -k option to keep the data and cache directories."
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] The Fire_Kyuubi:
Hi, from what I can gather, to install a modded apk you have to uninstall all apps from the same developer. How can I keep the apps from the developer and install the modded apk. In my case, the modded apk is Amazing Spider-Man 2 and previous apps are Asphalt 8 and Combat Force 5.