yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Android Apps and Games] de_Wolf:
Excuse me, I don't want to seem like a know-it-all here....

If the threat came by e-mail, at least Outlook shows an IP address under "received from".

Via

Whois.com - Free Whois Lookup

Whois Domain Name & IP lookup service to search the whois database for verified registration information

www.whois.com

you should hopefully get detailed information about the internet provider and you should be able to do something about it.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am collecting info, no worries.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
That is strange.

It does not help that goggles support is run byBots, so no support at all.

Probably an easy fix, or intentional just to destroy competition.

Just like the botStore.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
You should file a report, if you have not done already.

There is no place for this.

Sometimes it seems we living in a clown world, where no appreciation, gratitude, or respect. Nor self respect for that matter.

Entitled pricks...

Weird times ahead, indeed 🙆🤷🤦
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I already tried every available option, including filing a complaint with the EU.
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
That guy really needs his email. I wonder who he thinks will maintain the app after he killed you 🤔
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Given the messages I just received I am pretty sure this guy is reading here.

To this guy: I am doing my best to hold this project together and what you are doing isn't helping, on the contrary. Instead, if the app is dear to you, you can better help and complain to the right people, mainly Google.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
According to "the guy" it's all my fault. I think this guy has a rather simplistic view of the world. The earth is flat of course.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Of course he is right. Had you not developed this app none of this would have happened 😁😀🤣
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Marcel hope u didn't get annoyed by my last response. It was in good humor, perhaps to bring a smile to your face in these testing times. Apologies if you were offended
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
No worries, Nadir!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Today, the token grant rate limit was increased by 10,000 tokens/day. It don't see this in the Google Cloud console yet, which happened before and took multiple messages to get fixed last time. Moreover, this minimal increase is not enough.

I have a support contact with Google now, so somebody is looking at this from another angle too. The costs of this are of some concern and might change the character of the project.
[Android Apps and Games] uclaimdmin:
Dear Mr Bokhorst,

I am the founder of a company that currently uses FairMail. We have found this application to be the best and most useful email tool for managing our company emails, however, without the ability to use it on desktop computers, we are unable to rely on it for all aspects of our business emailing system.

I strongly recommend that you consider developing a web based version and a windows desktop version of the application. We believe your tool could be very successful on these platforms, however, with it only being mobile based, it misses a large demographic of people who would benefit from its unique capabilities.

Sincerely,

Jacob Kling
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
@uclaimdmin

Developing the Android app took over 7,000 hours, which is about the maximum an independent developer can deliver (you could even argue this is insane for an almost free app). So, developing a web, iOS and windows client isn't feasible, especially in a world where people most of the time expect free software.
[Android Apps and Games] heisert:
Maybe a Business Variant for a higher price?

TheBat (we used on my old work for decades) has a xtra Version too.

But i dont know how to control the license as a dev. (and more xtra time)

A Windows Version of FairEmail would be very cool.

But for a one person show not possible. He's already working way too much.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The only way to finance a team of developers would be a subscription with a significant monthly fee, which nobody wants to pay. This would significantly change the character of the project as well, which is something I don't want.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
There is an update here:

FairEmail in the Play Store

Status and frequently asked questions

email.faircode.eu
[Android Apps and Games] de_Wolf:
What is the amount involved?

Maybe the community can/will contribute to the costs.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Don't worry about this. Let's first see if the Google Cloud support team can solve the issue.
[Android Apps and Games] mkasimd:
I doubt you'd ever want this, but implementing a corporate subscription plan and even an ISP/MSP subscription plan could bring in some bucks indeed.

Especially if those plans include the corporate admin loading a configuration file to set some settings to their individual corporate defaults and let the corporate admin even lock some settings from being modified. But I'm sure you'd rather kill me for even suggesting this as it's contradicting the very core principles of FairEmail 😂
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
If I want to earn money without too much stress, there are enough options for me. This is also not the goal of the project, which you already know I guess.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Given the number of disappointing reviews lately, I almost regret having put money into a support contact with Google, even though it wasn't a lot of money ...
[Android Apps and Games] de_Wolf:
Personally, I would only do it if G-Support did not provide a satisfactory result.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
There is no free Google Cloud support. Google Cloud encompasses many services, including OAuth tokens to authenticate before using a service.

Edit: see here about what Google Cloud is:

Cloud Computing Services | Google Cloud

Meet your business challenges head on with cloud computing services from Google, including data management, hybrid & multi-cloud, and AI & ML.

cloud.google.com
[Android Apps and Games] de_Wolf:
Does that mean that even though they offer the app for free, you have fixed monthly costs for operating FE?

If this is the case, which I assume, then I would put a note in the PlayStore FAQ and on your website

FairEmail - Donate

Support FairEmail with a donation

email.faircode.eu

at the paragraph 'Free'.
[Android Apps and Games] topcaser:
Hi Marcel, I had it several times that I have to defer an already deferred message. So to say I had to redefer it. If I open the defer dialogue the 2nd time the first deferring is reset to the current time. Would it be complicated to change this behaviour so that the last deferred date is restored during opening the dialogue?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
If you don't confirm the time dialog, the snooze time won't be changed.
[Android Apps and Games] topcaser:
Yeah but I want to change the snooze time from the last state. This isn't currently possible
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
It would be easy to change, but I am afraid other people won't like it.

Remember removing the account selection from the quick actions move-to action (maybe requested by someone else) ? I received hundreds of inquiries and dozens of complaints about this!

So, unless there is a very good reason to change an existing feature, I am rather hesitant regarding changes now.
[Android Apps and Games] topcaser:
Hm, sounds like a reason. At the end, you decide it, although it would be useful and make sense to implement it the other way
[Android Apps and Games] prashanth_:
While I completely agree that OAuth and App specific passwords are way better than username/passwords from a security practice standpoint, wouldn't it be better to rather get a Workspace Starter subscription ($6/month) and have GMail setup via username/passwords for now?

Since Google has yet to even make a decision on that, and it could be at-least a few months before it affects the Workspace customers, I guess this'd at-least give time while waiting for them to increase the token grant limit? I see K-9 and Mailbird are still using username/password option.

On that note, what's with this frightening note in the FAQ? Any official source for this?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Creating an app password is too complicated for Joe and Jane (with respect).

The mentioned note is there because the app was blamed by too many people for being incompatible (=1 star), while in fact it was about another app.

Note that all the Gmail authentication options were already discussed in great detail here. It is not necessary to do this again.
[Android Apps and Games] sfhub:
Your OAuth2 token grant rate is looking suspicious again.

Have you seen a corresponding increase in app download rate. Last time it looked like it could have been related to some positive press coverage.

Was there more positive press? It does not seem organic to rise so quickly then drop so quickly, then rise so quickly again if there were no changes to external factors.

Non organic factors could include things like competitors trying to sabotage your app for their own benefit or recently introduced bugs/problems with how google is counting the tokens.

Keep in mind, based on the token grant rate, your userbase using Gmail OAuth2 has recently more than doubled, then halved, then more than double again, over the span of a few days each time.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I agree with this, but unfortunately, the only thing I can see is the graph.

Rest assured that Google Cloud support will be bothered about this. I didn't receive an answer within the promised time frame though.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I received this:

But no answer from Google cloud support, unfortunately.
[Android Apps and Games] de_Wolf:
They probably won't work on Sundays.

I was surprised that you were supposed to get an information until 06:00 PM yesterday, I found that quite a late time for a Saturday.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Google Cloud support is available 24 hours/day, at least that's what you pay for. APIs are available 24 hours/days too after all. The rest of the organization is probably working 9-17, 4 days a week ...
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I still didn't hear anything from Google Cloud support, despite raising the priority from medium to high.

And again there was a one star (German) review because not everything was completely free, dragging again the average rating down, which has been going monotonously down only last weeks :-(

I will probably release a bug fix release tomorrow, but anything else will need to wait until the OAuth problem is solved.

Edit: my inbox is ready for the next death threats.
[Android Apps and Games] de_Wolf:
Honestly, I just don't understand this free mentality. Anyone who thinks about it logically has to be aware that the software developer also has to make a living.

Let's take Windows backup software, for example. I would never think of using free software here. In case of a problem I have to be sure to get professional help. I can't necessarily expect that with free software (Not all developers are as committed as you, Marcel).
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Right, that's paid Google Cloud support.
[Android Apps and Games] chris122380:
I understand the importance of getting paid hence why I purchased the Pro version. What I don't get is why everyone's insistent on having a subscription service for everything. Sorry but I don't make enough to subscribe to everything. Hence why I bundle where I can, onetime purchases if possible, or go without.
[Android Apps and Games] de_Wolf:
But paying only once can also become a problem for the developer.

I had, in the context of a one-time payment, bought a software about 20 years ago, by means of which I can watch TV or record movies via a TV card on the PC. The software has been continuously developed over all these years.

Now I read on the website of the developer that due to all the streaming services the turnover has decreased in such a way that the income does not cover the costs anymore. I had then made a donation again, because I want to continue to use the software in the future.

But basically I'm with you, buying software by subscription is not my idea either. Possibly only if further payments would accrue every 2 to 3 years, but not in a monthly subscription.
[Android Apps and Games] Will_T:
I can only see the US Google store but I don't see this. In the year I have used the app the ratings there have been 4.7 usually. Maybe 4.6 or 4.8 once in a while. You cannot get any better than that. Basically a statistically perfect review rating. Just for fun, I quickly scrolled through hundreds of listed apps and saw almost no others with 4.7 or better. Certainly, way less than 1% of apps have that rating. So, you are with the creme de la creme of Apps on Goggle.
[Android Apps and Games] de_Wolf:
Reading your update today, @M66B, I would emotionally assume that you won't get an answer from G***le tomorrow either :-( .

FairEmail in the Play Store

Status and frequently asked questions

email.faircode.eu
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This test version has an extended unread shadow I would like feedback about:

https://bitbucket.org/M66B/fairemai...l-v1.1947a-github-extended-shadow-release.apk
[Android Apps and Games] chris122380:
I didn't really notice much of a difference or I just didn't really notice the shadow.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Did you enable the unread shadow in the display settings?

The change is that not only the border will be colored, but also the inner part slightly.
[Android Apps and Games] chris122380:
No but I will
[Android Apps and Games] mkasimd:
This might help some people quickly distinguish between read and unread mails. But not really to my personal liking. That doesn't mean it's a bad thing, it just means that I personally prefer the plain and modest approach without the shadow.
[Android Apps and Games] PowerOfTwo:
I'm new to that app. I didn't find a symbol or something like that to send a received email forward. Can somebody tell me how I can do it easily, please?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Please open/expand the message and tap on the big answer button at the bottom right. Forward is one of the options.
[Android Apps and Games] PowerOfTwo:
Damn, seems as if I need glasses...

Thank you!
[Android Apps and Games] chris122380:
I wasn't using card style either but I'm liking the new highlighting so I'm keeping it.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
If you forward messages frequently, it might be worthwhile to set long pressing the answer button to forwarding, which you can do in the send settings.
[Android Apps and Games] de_Wolf:
At the risk that you don't even want to hear it, @M66B, today's productive representation is fine as it is, I don't need the current adaptation.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
What I would like to hear is whether the test implementation is bothering you. The background tint is minimal in any case.
[Android Apps and Games] de_Wolf:
No, I do not find the display disturbing/unpleasant.
[Android Apps and Games] harrisc:
I am a long term user of FairEmail pro and I think I must have changed something on my 2 Android devices. I thought that in the past emails were synced automatically soon after they were sent. Now I have 2 different responses from my 2 Android devices, but neither receive emails soon after the emails are sent.

One devices seems to check the emails when not being used about every 15 minutes; a time I had set. On the other device the emails are only checked and read when I bring FairEmail to the front by a widget. As far as I can see the settings are the same.

What have I changed and what can I do to get emails pushed automatically?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Please check if receiving is enabled in the receive settings.

Also, please check if battery optimizations were disabled via setup step 3.
[Android Apps and Games] harrisc:
battery optimizations are done on both devices. On the device only checking when starting FairEmail did have receive turned off; I don't know when or why I did this!!

I have now enabled receiving.

Should the devices receive messages automatically soon after they are sent or must I wait for the polling period?

Thanks again
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
If periodically checking for messages is enabled, you'll need to wait for the next poll. It is either that, or receiving push messages.

Note that battery optimizations need to be

disabled

.
[Android Apps and Games] harrisc:
I had meant to say battery optimizations are already disabled.

So in RECEIVE I should set Automatically optimse on and the next option to Always?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Please tap on the info button to see what auto optimize does. It will switch back to polling for specific providers which send "Still here" every two minutes, resulting in a constant battery drain because the device can never sleep.
[Android Apps and Games] harrisc:
Thanks.

I am now receiving messages automatically.

I will see how the devices react over the next 24 hours.

Thanks again for the app and your excellent support.

All the best

Chris
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The problem is that the average Play store rating is constantly decreasing and that this is demotivating. For example:

Since you consider the average rating to be near perfect, we can assume the app is near perfect too. So, I can safely ignore reviews like this and also any improvement requests, agreed? I have other things on my mind anyway, which is being reflected in the release frequency as well. I will keep fixing reported bugs though:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/compare/1.1947...master?w=1

Also, the token grant rate limit problem still isn't solved either ...

Edit: waiting for the next death threat now ...
[Android Apps and Games] mkasimd:
Of course you can do that. You don't need to add any more features, Marcel. Fixing bugs is more than sufficient and highly appreciated.

Focus on what's more important for yourself.
[Android Apps and Games] Will_T:
As I said, I only see the US Playstore where that is certainly not true. 4.7 and steady still today. So maybe the rating is 3.9 and dropping in the German store, I don't know. I would be surprised if that was the case though. In the US store, very few apps get a better rating than Fairemail.

You have some unfortunate situations for sure in your life right now and we empathize with that. We appreciate the work you put into this app and also your responsiveness to questions, etc. However, some of us would just hope you could see that positive side and good wishes and not focus on the trolls and the few bad reviews, (most of which are the trolls). The trolls see that they get under your skin and that just encourages them.

Please try to see the glass as half full and not half empty. No scratch that. In the case of the US Playstore rating, the glass really is 94% full. Try not to focus on it being 6% empty.

Of course, that should not be happening. I would think it is a matter for law enforcement but maybe that is naive of me to think they will or even can do anything.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Downvoted
[Android Apps and Games] Friedel25:
Hello Marcel,

In the German Playstore the average is 4,8 which is exceptionally good.

The averages in May to July are are hard to beat. If there were one less 1-star review in August, the average would be 4.77. Since there are not yet so many reviews in August, only one 1-star review has a strong impact.

I downvoted both 1-star reviews, and the one with "Absoluter Müll" I reported as inappropriate. Please ignore such reviews!

German Playstore:

Stars

1​

2​

3​

4​

5​

∑​

Ø​

May

3​

0​

2​

4​

253​

262​

4,92​

June

2​

1​

2​

2​

114​

121​

4,86​

July

1​

2​

0​

4​

88​

95​

4,85​

August

2​

1​

0​

0​

28​

31​

4,65​
[Android Apps and Games] de_Wolf:
Sorry, in the German Play Store the average rating was 4.9, not 3.9. It is currently at 4.8, but still very good in my opinion.

Edit:

Sorry, I noticed Friedel25's message later and could not delete mine.
[Android Apps and Games] Will_T:
Yes, OK. My point was that I did not know what the rating in the German Playstore was...Only that the rating in the US was excellent. I was just guessing at a low rating for the German store as I keep seeing posts by the developer that there are lots of negative reviews dragging the rating down, down, down. I am surprised to hear that it is 4.9 or 4.8 in Germany though as that seems to be the Playstore that Marcel has been saying for months is "constantly decreasing". Not sure how Marcel is seeing that constantly decreasing rating given Friedel25's post and if the current rating is 4.8?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Because there is more than the US and Germany.
[Android Apps and Games] Will_T:
OK. If you can please post links to Playstores that have these very low ratings then we will stop trying to convince you that almost everyone loves your app. From what I can see, you have one of the highest rated apps in the world and it is hard to watch you torture yourself by being convinced it is not.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Maybe I am a masochist (I ain't).
[Android Apps and Games] Banayat:
I am new to FairEmail. It is not possible to add Gmail without using phone's mail account(s)? I would like to add my account manually. I always got an error mesage.

What do I need to do to make this all work?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can add a Google account without using a on device account, see the FAQ for more information.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
[MENTION=5825660]Banayat[/MENTION] could you figure it out?
[Android Apps and Games] pearljohn:
I did, logged in to my Gmail account no problem after using the FAQ info which was very useful. Thanks.

---------- Post added at 10:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:52 AM ----------

Please could you add the option to Always show pictures in emails?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Sorry, no, because the goal of FairEmail is to be privacy friendly and downloading images automatically does not fit into this goal.

How much trouble is it to tap on a button to show images anyway?
[Android Apps and Games] pearljohn:
Ok understood.

Yes true)

Thanks.
[Android Apps and Games] Banayat:
Yes, thank you! :good: I haven't read your FAQ on this though. I just tried another email app and I was wondering why I got a similar NOT (!!!) helpful error message.

Would you like to rework that error message as it has not been of little help? It is less convenient if you need to type a long URL yourself into a browser that eventually resulted to nowhere.

Simply replace your error message with this one if you like: (make sure to provide a clickable link!)

Optional hint:

If you would like to provide more specific info within your FAQ to solve the above-mentioned problem (<Optional hint>) you may refer to the following links or probably less recommending would be to just explain all steps:

How to create an application specific password for Gmail?

A[a])

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en

A)

1. Visit your App passwords page. You may be asked to sign in to your Google Account.

2. At the bottom, click Select app and choose the app you’re using.

3. Click Select device and choose the device you’re using.

4. Select Generate.

5. Follow the instructions to enter the App password (the 16 character code in the yellow bar) on your device.

6. Select Done.

How to enable less secure apps to access accounts?

B[a])

https://support.google.com/a/answer/6260879?hl=en

B)

1. Sign in to your Google Admin console (Sign in using an administrator account, not your current account.

2. Click Security > Basic settings.

3. Under Less secure apps, select Go to settings for less secure apps.

4. In the subwindow, select the Allow users to manage their access to less secure apps radio button.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I don't want to add anything provider specific to FairEmail because that would be endless.

Moreover, authorizing Gmail by selecting an account is simpler and safer.

Also, the FAQ contains the right link to solve this problem.
[Android Apps and Games] Banayat:
Alright, that's okay for me, too ;)