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[Android Apps and Games] testeurdeouf:
Thanks for your Works @M66B Fairemail is the best email client i ever try, so... Big Thanks

Take care of the one with you, she is probably a big part of all your work, and i believe need more attention than google policies !!!
[Android Apps and Games] testeurdeouf:
Too much download ? i also think that's is the best of the store, so.... jalousy
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Per account notification, please see this FAQ:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq145

Send button: accidents can happen wherever it is, that's why there is a confirmation needed by default. It seems you disabled the confirmation. Maybe you want to enable it again?

Cleaner look: the appearance is one of the most discussed things. If you ask 10 people about how things should look like, you'll get 20 opinions.
[Android Apps and Games] mkasimd:
@M66B, I just sent you an email with some comments and suggestions. If you cant find it due to too many mails in your inbox: search for a disroot FROM address or alternatively for "Privacy Policy" or my XDA handle in the subject field :)

You can reply by email if necessary, I'll probably notice it quicker than here anyways.
[Android Apps and Games] sssubito:
Hm, Google is not giving details to devs to try to prevent "malicious" actors to dodge bullets when their apps got flagged? First, guys'n'gals, tune down your sarcasm/irony detectors... OK, done?

Now that is a well proven industry's pinacle policy, isn't it: yay, security by obscurity! Proven to work... always!

@google, seriously!?

But unfortunately they seem to believe in it just because it makes their efforts way easier and cheaper. Not helping, though.

@M66B

You're a nice guy if you still believe in some good within people who behave badly. Actually there's likely some good in everybody. But to be frank, if someone trolls you, just try to ignore it. It's a well proven strategy: don't feed the trolls. It's not your duty to try to find any good in those, you shouldn't waste your time, energy and mood to babysit any troll/jerk/misbehaving individual. It just doesn't do you well.

Who am I to give you any unasked advise. No pun intended! I have read the pages from maybe the beginning of this week when things started to go south (health of your girlfriend (best wishes for her recovery!); issues with Google; you being triggered by "unfair" 1* nonsense from people in Google Play Store reviews; you fed up with all of this; ...). Maybe take a brake, you seem to need it. Clear your mind of frustration by Google "dev support" and review trolls. They don't deserve this much dark power over you.

As I said before, I like FairEmail Pro and will continue to use it for what it is. Many low or lowest star ratings are barely worth your comment, they expose the writer mostly as some troll or, well, not the brightest candle on the cake (pun intended!). Try to stop getting triggered by those, try to ignore them, they don't do you good and demotivate you apparently. I don't give a sh** on such reviews when I scan ratings of an app because there're always some percentage of such ill-fated ones.

If Play Store issues can't get resolved, too bad but so be it. I am willing to look into Github or F-Droid for FairEmail, because your app is plain too good to not go for it.

Take my ramblings with a grain of salt and maybe some humor. In German there's a saying "Die schlimmsten Schläge sind Ratschläge" which doesn't carry over well when translated to English "The worst blows/punches are advice". Oh boy, what have I done...
[Android Apps and Games] EtherealRemnant:
I am very sad to hear this news. I have used Android off and on since 2009 and I have only ever bought a handful of apps because most of them just aren't worth paying for. When I switched to this OnePlus 9 in February or March and my Gmail notifications weren't coming in, I switched to FairEmail after doing some searches online and trying a few other apps, and I liked it so much that I bought the pro version within days. I have read back some pages and I understand the reasoning so I just wanted to say thank you for the great app no matter what you decide and I hope your girlfriend recovers soon. :)
[Android Apps and Games] Itcouldbeyou:
I am not saying you have to prove anything. Google has to prove it, I agree. I simply said write "where it allegedly sends contact info". I'd deny their claims in every statement.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
@mkasimd thank your very much for helping with the privacy policy!

FairEmail/PRIVACY.md at master · M66B/FairEmail

Fully featured, open source, privacy friendly email app for Android - M66B/FairEmail

github.com
[Android Apps and Games] polog:
So sad to hear of your troubles, @M66B . Your app is absolutely wonderful. I hope you find a way forward.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Link to German Play store review.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
To native English speakers, is this proper English?

Configuration information will be looked up at the email server and at autoconfig.thunderbird.net using the entered email address

Google presumably doesn't allow online icons for privacy reasons
[Android Apps and Games] polog:
@M66B Maybe phrase the first point in the active form ?

"The entered email address is used to query the email server and autoconfig.thunderbird.net for configuration information"
[Android Apps and Games] heisert:
https://xdaforums.com/t/app-5-0-fai...vacy-oriented-email-app.3824168/post-85126181

dont read them. and in this time the people read all over you stop the app they will post negative reviews. i think they didnt know why you "will" stop the app.
[Android Apps and Games] ExperienceFast:
I use NetGuard (non Pro) several years without any problems. Heard of your problems and read big part of this thread.

I recommend you to

- take a break to help your girl friend and cool down

- IF you want to continue :

+ stop ( temporary ? ) delivering google version

+ delegate first level support to a group of trustworty users here

+ only focus on coding (as this is your hobby)

This way you can do what you make happy :)

Regarding the code :

I had a short view on the code of FairMail and I have a short assumption.

Possibly they do not run the code but do a code analysis.

And I assume that thid code analysis do not recognize that your code switches logic depending on PlayStore. So it seems for them that you deliver (at least one value read from contact) to somewhere in internet.

I recommend to remove this code or use different code versions for PlayStore and GitHub.

Its just an assumptiom !!!
[Android Apps and Games] regsnerven:
@M66B I just heard about you stopping to develop FairEmail and NetGuard in a podcast about OSINT from the US.

I just could not believe it until I saw the notice on your homepage.

I just wanted to quickly leave this here: Your app is amazing. It is the one solution to everything one could wish from an email client. You've developed also one of the only email clients that actually works with alias email addresses, which seems to be kinda hard, I guess, since even Thunderbird struggles to implement it for YEARS!

Your apps are amazing. Do not let those bad reviews get to you. I know that this is easy to say, but hard to do.

Google has arbitrary power of some aspects of the app world in Android and the whole internet space in and of itself. With projects like yours, the way it works, the way you develop it (and the community supports you, I hope) and the way you distribute it, you give them the finger every day and show the world that all of this can be done differently.

The fact that an US podcast mentioned YOUR project, the news outlets reporting on you, the feedback you get in this board (remember 1 people speaking up in the internet stands for hundreds, even thousand more, considering your privacy focused audience :)), the downloads and hopefully the donations, that we as an open source using community oh toooooooo often forget about after using and loving a software for oh so many years, are probably speaking for themselves.

Quick side note here: Thanks for the quick privacy policy help @mkasimd :) That was simply amazing.

I do not want to convince you to start developing again, although I hope you do.

I just wanted to tell you: You are amazing, the work you have done is amazing and I wish you all the best in life for you and all your loved ones :)
[Android Apps and Games] heisert:
@regsnerven true words
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
How about emails like this (warning, pretty unfriendly):

Spoiler content hidden.

Just two examples ...
[Android Apps and Games] heisert:
Puh. And they wrote with fake Email Adress, or? Stupid idiots.

Cant understand why over 90% of the humans are crazy like ****.

It's easy to anonymously insult people on the internet. You really have to try not to let that get to you. Unfortunately, I feel the same as you. I can understand you completely.

But the Fairemail crowd is for you and not against you!

We are many (and the idiots are only few)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Indeed, so, unfortunately, there is no way for a healthy dialog.
[Android Apps and Games] ExperienceFast:
I recommend to report it to google, they are forced to remove such comment.

Edit: sorry read it as comment in rating. Just ignore such mails
[Android Apps and Games] zentis:
It's hard to imagine that there are people so disgraceful and small minded that they'd resort to sending you those insulting emails. I can't imagine how frustrating it is to receive those emails but I do hope those are a minority. I think many many are appreciative of your work (I definitely am). Unfortunately, I guess a lot of people who are very appreciative don't necessarily send emails besides paying for the initial donation.
[Android Apps and Games] haksuu:
You are doing a great job and as you can see here and almost everywhere, most people are very grateful to you for it.

There are always exceptions and you will always get such unfriendly messages by mail or Play Store review. There are just a lot of stupid people.

For your own protection and for the protection of the project, you must try to ignore these insulting messages that do not contain any factual criticism.

As some have pointed out here. I think it would be very good for you if you let your community help you with the support of the project.

I will be happy to help you answer these messages in a very friendly manner. I can express myself in German very well. 😉
[Android Apps and Games] musicfreak:
I have been using FairEmail for several years now and I really think it is a great mail app. Especially the anti tracking feature is very nice. So I was almost in shock when I read about stopping development. With Google being so difficult / unclear, it seems like a good plan to drop the Playstore distribution. This is costing you so much energy now...

Oh by the way, I had downloaded and updated the app via F-Droid. Up until the day before yesterday, I was still on a very old version o_O:cool: (can't figure out which one). What a difference was version 1.899 that I downloaded from GitHub. Cool to see all the (visual) changes.
[Android Apps and Games] ryan77627:
Just to add on to everyone else here, the negative people always seem to have a greater voice, for one reason or another. Just wanted to leave my message here as well to try and offset that. Here's the message I put into the form when re-activating the pro features.

I already supported through Google Play but had to reset my device. Very sad development is stopping, but after reading through XDA I understand and respect the decision. Just wanted you to know that I personally (along with the Linux user group I'm part of) love this app greatly. So, even with the negative reviews you talk about, know you have supporters who greatly respect the time you put into this app for us all these years.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
I think it's better to not feed such trolls.
[Android Apps and Games] _mat_:
I would use "fetched from" instead of "looked up at". But I am no native speaker 😉
[Android Apps and Games] de_Wolf:
Marcel, I am very, very sorry that you are receiving such messages. But I can assure you that not all Germans are so unkind!
[Android Apps and Games] heisert:
I think he get (unfortunately) similar Emails from other countrys too. :(

i´m german and he replied me bout my last year posting.

i also like the dutch people (marcel) ;)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
German people are in my experience rather friendly, and this is not limited to German messages. The last one I received was for example Russian.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
What did I do?
[Android Apps and Games] chris122380:
I am not a programmer but I do understand technology (A computer tech). What exactly is it we're seeing here?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can find an explanation here:

Gource - a software version control visualization tool

gource.io
[Android Apps and Games] revaliru:
I already wrote you an email but kindly do it again here. I have had Fairmail for 3 years I think, even the Pro. I would like to donate something to thank you but I live in Russia and any of your donation methods have been sanctioned here unfortunately. Maybe you can help me?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Your gesture is appreciated, but the same sanction rules limit what I can and what I am allowed to do too.
[Android Apps and Games] chris122380:
I'll be the first to admit I don't always read the privacy policies of my apps (I probably really should). Of those I have read this is the easiest to understand and if Google doesn't get it now then their lawyers have been reading legalese way too long.
[Android Apps and Games] heisert:
Total number of lines: 33295358 (wow)

And u wonder the Google console didnt explode or detects it as spyware? 😄

For comparison:

Quake 3 has 230.000 lines of code.
[Android Apps and Games] jeekajoo:
FairEmail is undoubtly the best email client on Android. Thanks for all the work. I'll be happy if you change your mind, but also happy if you are getting better with your decision.

And also, f*ck google.

edit : I am of course a pro user, and I'm using this app since 2 years now. I want to support your work as long as I can. So I'm donating again. https://email.faircode.eu/donate/
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Who of you is impotent? (Warning: explicit language):

Spoiler content hidden.
[Android Apps and Games] selemine:
I am sure this app won't break anytime soon so i am glad that as a pro-user i gave back a little bit.

It is a nice layout , shows enhanced things like headers for the interested people and it handles encryption very well for those of us whose communication partners actually use s/mime or pgp.

This and nine are the best mail apps out there and proof that you can get notifications without any remote server having your login credentials.
[Android Apps and Games] de_Wolf:
It's just unbelievable :-(
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I picked today a few messages for illustration purposes. This kind of messages might seem to be related to the moment, and there are of course more than usual, and they are also harsher than usual, but this is what I mean by daily hate email, going on for years already.

I need to add that the vast majority of the messages is rather nice, some being extremely nice. I try to answer most messages, but with a rate of a few dozens per hours that's not very easy. Don't let that withhold you to say something nice though.
[Android Apps and Games] chris122380:
Just add there email addresses to your block list or use an email filters that deletes (or Marks as read if you feel you may need them for legal reasons) messages with that kind of language. No one in this industry deserves harassment.

I haven't had a chance to read through all your new material but maybe add a support disclaimer that states harassment or threatening emails will void any kind of support.
[Android Apps and Games] Tech Home:
I'm totally confused why people are like this. It's unfair, creepy and disgusting.

You'll get through this Marcel. We stand with you
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
While caring for my girlfriend I receive a series of death threats :-(
[Android Apps and Games] mkasimd:
I highly advise you to go to the closest postal office and ask them about post boxes (or look it up online). It's best to not disclose your home address online tbh
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I think that is somewhat too late and besides that Google dictates to publish my address.
[Android Apps and Games] ROO3VER:
Good idea, i was allready thinking about donating again and so i did.

Also pro user expecting nothing in return....

FairEmail - Donate

Support FairEmail with a donation

email.faircode.eu
[Android Apps and Games] de_Wolf:
The address is already publicly viewable at least through the 'Privacy policy'.

But I don't assume that if someone is angry because of the discontinuation of the development/support, he takes the trouble to read through the forum messages page by page. That Marcel mentioned his girlfriend was for the first time on 17.05. (page 1087).

I can imagine that an "old acquaintance", Dr.Bob, will continue to provoke. Even if he does not appear here at the moment, he can nevertheless continue to read along here by means of a new account and enjoy the reactions which he causes.

But all this is of course only a hypothesis.
[Android Apps and Games] MartinX3:
I'm sorry if people act foolishly.

I'm a paid pro user and advertise fairmail as the best mail app for Android.

(I was using k-9 before)
[Android Apps and Games] Dakkaron:
I'd say, publish those idiots' email address and we'll take care of it.

Bad strategy tips aside, I've been using Netguard for many years now, and I almost forced anyone I know to install it as well. It's an amazing app! If there is no other place to get it from, I'll compile it myself and distribute the apk, if it has to be ;)

I don't want to imagine using Android without it. I even installed it on my Oculus Quest 2.

Thanks so much for your amazing work!

I totally understand why you pulled your apps. If you stop now, I'll be thankful for what you did.
[Android Apps and Games] bruno.mercier:
Best mail tool, plenty of options and possibilities. And twice I had some questions, and was answered in the day or the next day, which is quite incredible.

Very very sorry if you drop it, but you have to do as you feel is best for you...

Whatever your decision, thx for all...
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
I think it's clear to most people anyway that they won't get any support after sending hateful or insulting mails - sure, if it's written somewhere you can refer to it in case of doubt. But I think that the senders of such mails don't want any support in the first place, they just want to "stink".

By the way, most of such hateful or insulting statements come only from the inability and envy of the sender that he could never create such a great work as the recipient.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
The senders of such death threats are obviously too stupid to understand that this would not solve their problem, but on the contrary would be even "worse".

Edit: By the way, I thought Elon Musk's reaction to such statements was quite good. I think he said, "If at some point I should die suddenly and unexpectedly or under mysterious circumstances, you'll know about it."
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have added this to the contact form:
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
My linguistic feeling says the words 'unjust' or 'unfair' are more appropriate than 'unreasonable' in this case.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I think unreasonable covers unjust and unfair as well because it is pretty broad (and inherently subjective). That said, Dutch is my native language, so I might be wrong.
[Android Apps and Games] therealbluepandabear:
Wow, it's disgusting that Google just bans apps like this one for no good reason. I applaud you and the amazing job that you've done in developing this app. You are a legend and my hat goes off to you! And remember one thing:

GOOGLE IS EVIL!​
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
Me too.
[Android Apps and Games] hakaishi:
Who wouldn't care about bad reviews? Our hearts are not made of stone.

OSS developers care for the community, are part of the community. If such ignorant comments were the common, any dev would want to quit.

They should be thankful that devs listen to user voices. There are many that don't listen much.

It saddens me that people can be that cold blooded and ignorant.

Devs put much love and time into their projects. Just look at where we would be without them. A world consisting of Apple and Microsoft without much anything else.

Marcel, you don't have to take this to heart. This kind of people don't even understand what they are saying. They don't appreciate anything and take it all for a given. They believe that their opinion is right and try to place it over everything else. If you were to drop your efforts it will be a great loss for many people who love and appreciate your work. Not many might be donating, but most do think that it would be worth it. I myself still have a loan to pay back. But when that is over, I will be donating from time to time to many projects. SimpleLogin, Disroot, SimpleMobileTools and also to projects as yours. I place your app even above the Tutanota app. It might not support E2EE in the way that Tutanota does, but then again, I feel safer opening Emails in your app than with Tutanota or any other app.

You can be very proud of such a very detailed Email app. It's very rich and there are no other apps like it.

Just concentrate on the important stuff and ignore the play-store comments as far as possible. Any child or even bot could comment there. Don't take that to heart. They just don't know any better than to make things bad.

Cheers,

Hakaishi
[Android Apps and Games] bruno.mercier:
Seems normal that not everybody is pleased with all parts of an app or globally the app.

But nodody is forced to use it!!!

You don't like it, well you move away. That seems sensible.

But some people just feel they can say whatever they want on Internet with no buffer, no second thought, no limit!

Sadly there is not much against that

Marcel I think most people appreciate your work, and you must concentrate of that:

The good is much higher than the bad... and if the bad is unreasonable... well, let it go
[Android Apps and Games] si1:
Dear Marcel,

I use the Pro versions of FairEmail and Netguard for a couple of years now, for me both are excellent pieces of software and perfect examples for good open source projects. I hope you will change your mind and continue the development of both apps - even on a reduced level of effort (bug fixes, adaption to new Android versions). This would be extremely useful for the community of security-aware users.

If the "google play store" door stays closed, please distribute your apps over other channels (like fdroid). I can imagine that people who recognize the value of your software will also switch from Google to alternative stores.

Thank you and all the best for you and your beloved ones!