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[Android Apps and Games] Hiroo Onoda:
I'd like to come back to an issue that was raised before: The fact the encryption padlock is shown in a locked state when encryption is off, and vice versa. I find this is counterintuitive. Previously, you replied that

That's not true. There are several instances in FairEmail where the visual presentation of a setting corresponds to the state of the setting. For example:

when selecting/deselecting favorites in local contacts

when selecting/deselecting messages as favorites

when enabling/disabling an option in FairEmail settings

I think there is a difference between an action and a state button. Icons of action buttons should, as you rightly said, show their intended effect, whereas there are other icons which represent a state in the first place rather than an action. Pressing them changes that state, like favorites stars. I consider the encryption padlock as a state icon rather than an action icon. For me, a closed padlock is a visual sign that something is encrypted. I think this is a universal icon, just take a look right now at your browser address field where both in Firefox and Chrome a secure https connection is displayed as a closed padlock. That's also what I'm used to when sending encrypted messages via thunderbird. Hell, some beginner might even be like 'wow cool, now my message is encrypted and secure!!' when he sees that in FairEmail.

Also, Marcel, have you ever considered showing recipient addresses as 'cards' with a tiny 'x', which pressed would delete the address in one touch? Sometimes when replying to 'all', we might want to remove some recipients. The way it is now is a bit of a bother, considering you have to find the correct spot with your thumb and then press back for a while. Well, it's the usual editing-text-on-a-smartphone problem. That would be much easier the way I suggested and it would also look cleaner.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am happy to reverse the padlock opened/closed symbol if a majority says it should be changed.

Please see here about address chips:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq115
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
I think the lock symbol here should actually have the character of status rather than represent the future state that you get AFTER clicking on it.

You may recall that we had a similar discussion about the Quick Filter icons as well.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
I think it should be changed
[Android Apps and Games] Hiroo Onoda:
Alright, thanks. I didn't know that long pressing an address will select it. Works fine for me. However, as to what you wrote in your FAQ:

Please see the section 'Editable' under the link you provided:
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Using chips require using the material design themes, which I don't want to use.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

beta

version 1.802

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

Feedback on the changes is appreciated.
[Android Apps and Games] mcglick:
Vote to reverse.
[Android Apps and Games] Hiroo Onoda:
Padlock change is nice, I like the new green coloring. Thank you!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I will probably later today let the grey color better match the selected theme.

Edit: I don't think blue and grey go well together, so I am planning to use the accent color instead, which is either orangish or steel blue in the grey theme. Please let me know if you have a better idea.
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Hiya - I vote yes in support of treating the padlock as showing the current state, as proposed by [MENTION=9884037]Hiroo Onoda[/MENTION]

LOL - sorry, guess I voted after the election was over :/
[Android Apps and Games] otiel:
Hi all, a few feature requests:

I've seen this asked before and [MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION] refused, but I'd like to add my vote to it: add the ability to change the font and size used to compose emails. I personally would like to use Calibri 11pt.

I'd like to be able to change the "heading" (not sure it's the right term) automatically added when replying / forwarding to an email:

Currently the following line is added to the original text:

Mon Nov 04 14:33:00 GMT+01:00 2019 DisplayName <email@example.com>:

I'd like to use instead the Outlook multiline format, which I find far more readable, even though it uses more lines, and more importantly which includes more details (to, cc, bcc, subject) that can be critical when you need to check if someone was in the list of recipients:

[B]From:[/B] DisplayName <email@example.com>
[B]Sent:[/B] Monday 04 November 2019 14:33:00
[B]To:[/B] RecipientDisplayName
[B]Cc:[/B] OtherRecipientDisplayName
[B]Subject:[/B] Hello how are you doing

On a similar subject, add an option to

not

indent the original text when replying / forwarding an email. Indenting the text can make old emails hard to read when there have been lots of replies, because the oldest mails won't have a sufficient width to be correctly displayed.

Add a background color for the swipe actions, in order to make them more easily distinguishable when swiping an email, e.g.: red for Trash, blue for Move (or Move to specific folder), green for Mark read, orange for Hide, pink for Snooze... It allows the user to easily make sure he didn't get mixed up between his left and right swipe by seeing a different color.

When replying to an email, add "RE:" (all case) to the subject instead of "Re:", which allows to detect replies more easily when scanning the emails list.

Likewise, when forwarding an email, add "FW:" instead of "Fw:".
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
There are already too many settings, so there will be no additional settings for fonts and indentation.

I have no plans to change the reply/forward style and to add a background color to swipe actions. The goal is to keep FairEmail simple and minimalistic.
[Android Apps and Games] otiel:
https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq67

Is this the three dot overflow menu accessible from the Unified Inbox? Cause I don't have any Snoozed item in this menu, even though I have some emails snoozed.
[Android Apps and Games] mrrocketdog:
"woosh" , v.1.801 running great on this end.:boom:
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Multiple select: three dots button.

View message: three-dots menu in message action bar and snooze icon in bottom conversation bar.
[Android Apps and Games] jaholm:
Today I noticed, that I didn't get a notification anymore on my smartwatch (TicWatch Pro with WearOS).

After installing older versions I must say: notification works out of the box in all versions till 1.798. Begining with 1.799 something is going wrong.
[Android Apps and Games] Dark_Eyes_:
Thanks for considering my request. I see that you have fixed the snoozed messages being marked as read. Unfortunately (I don't know if it's intended or a bug), there is no new notification when the message wakes up. Is it possible to get both (not marked as read and notification when it wakes up)?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Nothing was changed to notifications recently, so this is likely being caused by something else. It still works properly with my Mi band 3.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Nothing was changed to waking up messages and to be sure I just tested this and I got a new message notification as expected.
[Android Apps and Games] jaholm:
Ok, found the reason: with the transition from 1.798 to 1.799 the setting "Only send notifications with a message preview to wearables" was switch from ON to OFF :(

Not by me!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
That's correct and that is my doing.

The default was changed because few people use a wearable and the setting has an effect on other people too: new message notifications will be delayed until the message text has been downloaded.
[Android Apps and Games] sethnet:
Only a cosmetic bug in the new option to always show images on showing original messages that is now bilingual [emoji6]

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Many thanks to the mods who help me after uploading an unedited screenshot previously [emoji29]

Enviado desde mi ALP-L09 mediante Tapatalk
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Please see here about how you can help to translate FairEmail:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq26

New translations will almost always be in the next release.
[Android Apps and Games] chantoine:
After activating pin protection, how can I disable it? Only find 3 dots menu on top, but the return to default parameters will only affect privacy settings?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Just save an empty PIN code.

You can reset the privacy settings too, but this will reset all privacy settings.
[Android Apps and Games] otiel:
That I got, but it is used to snooze emails, not to see snoozed emails, right?

Are you talking about this menu? Because I don't have any Snooze submenu behind that three-dots overflow menu.

And again, that would be used to snooze an email, not show other snoozed emails, right?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
It seems I misunderstood what you wanted.

In the action bar of the message list you'll find a filter icon with an option to show hidden (snoozed) messages.

If you enable the experimental options in the miscellaneous settings, you can quickly access the filters at the bottom of the screen through faint icons.
[Android Apps and Games] otiel:
Thanks, that's it! Maybe the FAQ should be updated?

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq67

Replace "by using the Snoozed item in the three dot overflow menu" with "by unchecking the Filter out > Hidden item in the three dot overflow menu".

But coming back to your suggestions, having disabled the conversation action bar, I have no way to snooze an email from the message view. Shouldn't there be a "Snooze..." menu in the three dot overflow menu next to "Hide"/"Show"?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I will update the FAQ.

Yes, there should be a snooze menu item and it will be added in the next release.

Note that there is a difference between snoozing a message and snoozing a conversation (multiple messages). So, the menu will work different from the action bar.
[Android Apps and Games] otiel:
Maybe that should be solved by a redesign of the settings pages (like, add subpages or other tabs - for instance it is hard to distinguish settings applied to the message view from settings applied to the messages list in the Display tab), not by refusing new settings?

How do you justify having lots of complex settings like "Roam like at home" or the icons saturation/brightness/color letter or "Usenet signature convention" or... (you get my point) and refusing font settings (that will be more used by the masses IMO).

(I'm not criticizing, this is a honest question :))

I'm sorry but I can't get behind this justification. As a new user to several emails apps (I'm currently trying several email apps), I don't see FairEmail as "simple" or "minimalistic". Far from it actually. It looks too me that FairEmail is for power users (and that's good, that is what I'm after!).

Besides, I don't see how changing the reply/forward style would make FairEmail more complex to the user.

Again, don't take me wrong, I don't want to criticize what's been already done or your choices, I'm just trying to convince you that what I ask may really be beneficial for some users. :)
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
The settings ' "Roam like at home" or the icons saturation/brightness/color letter or "Usenet signature convention" or...' are technically necessary functions and in my opinion much more important than any design wishes.
[Android Apps and Games] z99vwEfK:
that depends on your needs, I've never used any of those settings
[Android Apps and Games] otiel:
Thanks for your point of view! :)

I don't consider Reply/forward headings as only "design wishes", as they are the very content of emails. And I justified how the one-line heading is inferior to the Outlook default.

Are they really that necessary when they are settings that you can't find in any other email app (I don't doubt that you consider them necessary, like I would find other settings necessary)?

But if you want, I can find other examples that aren't technical functions:

Show contact photos

Show identicons

Show round icons

Show subject in italics

Show message preview in italics

...

How do you justify those settings to be more important than what I suggest? :)
[Android Apps and Games] Hiroo Onoda:
Not that I'd need those features you requested, but you do have a point in general.
[Android Apps and Games] Dark_Eyes_:
After thoroughly testing it, here is what I found:

Notifications from a waking message work once after a reboot. All other snoozed messages just get back in the inbox without any notifications. I have attached a logcat. Message should have waken up at 6:24. You see that at 6:24:44 there is something about waking up a message, but no notifications were sent to me.
[Android Apps and Games] jaholm:
That's ok, but when I'm doing a new install with an import of my backup (of version -=0.001), or when updating, I don't expect a change in my configuration.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
When I open a URL link in a message, FairEmail asks which browser to use and then opens the webpage.

But, that is not the 'real' chosen browser because if you next select the option 'open in browser' the webpage now opens in the 'real' browser with options such as 'add to home page', etc.

Why is this? What browser is actually used? Is there a setting to make URLs in emails open in the real browser selected?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Please see here about the requirements for feature requests:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-support

If more than I handful people say they find this useful, I will consider to add it.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
FairEmail uses Chrome Custom Tabs. If you want to use the browser, you can 'Use app'.
[Android Apps and Games] otiel:
Thanks.

On a separate note, what's your reason for not using GitHub issues? People will be able to search and vote on issues. This is a pain to search in this forum if something has already been discussed.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
GitHub issues are disabled on all my project due to frequent misusage. Simply put, it takes too much time to manage GitHub issues, which is better spent on development.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
I hard bricked my phone and had to buy a new one. Setting up FairEmail on the new phone I find that 'add group address' is grayed out. I do have groups. Is this a setting issue?

Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Did you grant contacts permissions in setup step 3?
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
No. I just restored backed up settings. Will do so now.

Fair, it sees all my contacts, just not the groups/'labels'.

You're brilliant. That was it.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The notification was posted:

11-05 06:24:44.420 I/fairemail(4546): Notifying tag=unseen.0.1150 id=1150 channel=notification

And removed:

11-05 06:24:44.546 I/fairemail(4546): Service UI intent=Intent { act=ignore:1150 cmp=eu.faircode.email/.ServiceUI }
11-05 06:24:44.562 I/fairemail(4546): Notify cancel tag=unseen.0.1150 id=1150

Ignore = notification is swiped away or otherwise cancelled or tapped on (when remove on tap is enabled)

So, the log says FairEmail did notify the message, but you or Android removed it.

In addition I have tested this quite some times, both by creating several situations and using FairEmail (I have several rules to snooze messages), and each time the message was notified as expected.

So, the question is: why is the notification being cancelled outside of FairEmail in your case?
[Android Apps and Games] sylvn:
Sorry if the question has already been asked but I can't manage to schedule specific accounts to snooze emails from 6pm to 8am everyday in the rules option.

Is there an easy way to do this?
[Android Apps and Games] otiel:
Wouldn't it be better to display the {Sent, Replied, Forwarded, Attachment, Snoozed, Hidden} icons to the right of cards, below the received time? I think it would make the emails list more readable because the subject line would always be aligned to the left.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
There's no place under the reception time in the conversation list. I also think that the icons are easier to see left-justified.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Rules apply to a folder of an account, not to all folders of an account.

So, you'll need to create a snooze rule for each folder you want to snooze messages for.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
It is exactly the non alignment that makes it easy to recognize messages with attachments, etc.
[Android Apps and Games] sylvn:
Thanks Marcel, that's what I did on the inbox folder, but what day should I select for the rule to apply everyday during the night? Sunday to Sunday from 8pm to 6am seems to select all messages.

Do I need to duplicate the rule 7 times for each day?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Yes, you'll need to create 1 rule per day for this.

Note that you can long press a rule in the rule list to copy it.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

stable

version 1.803 1.804 "Ankylosaurus"

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

Please report any problem you discover, so it can be fixed.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Today I received a replacement Yubikey even though the returned Yubikey got lost in the mail, which was quite nice of the shop.

After debugging a self compiled OpenKeychain app I created this issue:

https://github.com/open-keychain/open-keychain/issues/2507
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Opening links question:

When there is a link in email - if i touch it i get a popup with 3 buttons at the bottom:

'Use App' 'No' 'Yes'

Tapping Use app - opens the link in a browser.

Tapping 'no' does nothing.

Tapping 'Yes' opens link in fairemail (well not my default browser).

Am I correct in thinking that these mean:

'Use App' = means use browser application

'Yes' = open without browser

'no' = cancel

I wonder if the 3 buttons might be more clear if renamed:

Browser ----- Cancel ----- Fairemail

(Use App) -------- No --------- Yes
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Use App: it depends on the link which apps can be used to open a link. For example a Facebook link can be opened by the Facebook app and by the browser.

I don't think 'open with FairEmail' will clarify things and might even raise questions because it is not really FairEmail that is opening the link.

It never should have been yes/no, but ok/cancel, which will be fixed in the next release.
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Do you plan to release a play store version as well?

thanks
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Just downloaded mine from playstore
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The text of the release notes was wrong and has been updated now.

The latest stable version is already available in the Play store.
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Gotcha - may I suggest instead of 'Use App', how about 'Default App' ... that at least suggest using the default app for the URL.

Use App is a bit ambigous.

thanks,
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The text has already been discussed and changed before, but I think 'Default app' is even better ;)
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Ah thanks - and I just got the play store update too :)
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
I think 'default app' is not quite correct, because I can actually choose between my seven installed apps when tapping on 'Select App', as the German correct translation - as long as I haven't even accidentally clicked on 'always' afterwards, right?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Still I think 'Default app' is correct because in most cases there will be one choice only.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have had some complaints about translations and in some cases the meaning of the translation was different from the original text causing confusion. So, please stick to the meaning of the original text as closely as possible and if you think the original text should be improved, please let me know.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
How about 'Open with'

Internal browser / 'external app' / Cancel
[Android Apps and Games] La_Globule:
Good "Open with", short and simple.
[Android Apps and Games] heisert:
Hi!

Short Question: when i wrote a new Mail the font/text is very small.when i oress on the tT_Icon i could make it bigger.so far so good.

But the font from the Overview changes too. :-|

would be very nice if we could change it separated from each other.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have a long list with things that are nice to have and not only for FairEmail ...
[Android Apps and Games] heisert:
Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
Ah, OK, for the Play Store purchases then, I presume. Because I bought the Pro features separately and have identifiers blocked in XPrivacyLua, and I still have them.

---------- Post added at 05:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:00 PM ----------

File Viewer for Android (Sharpened Productions) works, as does the Dropbox viewer.

Thinkfree Office viewer does not.
[Android Apps and Games] Elektron60:
I get 'Logout Requested' in Account settings for gmail. Why?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Connectivity change? Don't worry FairEmail will automatically reconnect.
[Android Apps and Games] Elektron60:
Is it possible to use two FairMail devices with same accounts at the same time?

Get i collisions?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
That is possible without any problem because FairEmail does two way synchronization.
[Android Apps and Games] tiktok1:
Still having some syncing issues where it just hangs. Been 8 hours since last sync, so had to force stop the app and restart to reconnect and send logs

Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This is a known problem. I had it myself too. I will look into it later this week.
[Android Apps and Games] BreckZeBoulay:
Is it possible to add a "empty trash" on a long press on folder trash ?

(found nothing in that thread concerning this)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can request new features on GitHub.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
There is also a sync use-case left unhandled when using Manual synchronization:

Account synchronization enabled:

Folder unset -> Manually use longpress|Synchronize Now:

Operations pending increased, since last time:

Operations from the 7th still in list:

From the top of my head a use-case which might be in fault:

Do operation, wifi signal lost, reconnect wifi -> since Manual sync operations remain pending.

However, even when in Manual sync operatioms are expected to complete. So, a retry should be done to complete pending operations.

This is only one example that I can think of.

But todays operations are without wifi signal loss, so should have been completed.

I do believe, though, that Manual syncing is the culprit. All cases are not handled.

Great work.

A side note, there might be an issue with outbox: messages left behind. Message is in sent, yet remains in outbox, too.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Manual sync is independent of operations. Operations are retried whenever there is an internet connection. Your operations are most likely not being executed because the folder is not set to synchronize, see also the FAQ.
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
When I have FairEmail open in the background and receive a new mail notification, tapping that notification opens the FairEmail window but I have to scroll up to see the new message.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Yes, indeed. But image what happens when there is an automatic scroll up while your are browsing through the list of emails on arrival of a new email ... irritation. If you have a solution for this, pleas let me know.
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
I don't know, if there is some kind of trigger that the window has just been opened you can use that. Or maybe there is a variable set when the window is visible?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I will see if I can make scroll up when navigating from the notification only.
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
That would do the trick. If not, maybe this page helps?

Edit: see also the page referred to there: https://vardhan-justlikethat.blogspot.com/2013/05/android-solution-to-detect-when-android.html