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[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Honestly, Marcel, I can test this function only badly: 1. I archive only very rarely something - and if, then 2. only processes, which is also completed - that is with the answer sending certainly not the case, therefore I would archive also certainly nothing in this situation. It is also not entirely clear to me what is archived in each case: Also in single mode the complete conversation or only the single mail (then the translation would probably have to be different). If single mail, which one - the one I reply to or my reply as well?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
In single message mode only the replied to message will be archived (=moved to the archive folder as set in the account settings).

In conversation mode all read incoming messages will be archived.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
If my replies are not archived as well, I will never have a complete conversation in the archive folder, right?

And the option should correctly read: "Archive the replied mail or all received and read mails of the entire conversation, if conversation mode / topic tree is set in the setting".
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The sent messages folder should be considered as archive for sent messages. Moving everything to the archive folder will make it hard to see what is incoming and outgoing.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
But then I never have a complete conversation in one folder - I would have to keep switching between the Archive and Sent folders if I wanted to retrace that conversation later.

Also, I don't think *all* my sent mail is worth keeping, so when I occasionally clean out the Sent folder, I would have to look at each individual mail to see if it should be deleted or moved to the appropriate conversation in the Archive folder.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have to make choices, which are based on what people commonly want, which in itself is influenced by how things generally work. Gmail, probably the biggest email provider next to Microsoft, doesn't archive sent messages, which is what people generally expect.

You can always move messages yourself and this is mostly a convenience feature anyway.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Version 1.1466 1.1467 1.1468 is available on GitHub now and will be available in the Play store test program after Google's approval, which usually takes a few hours.

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases
[Android Apps and Games] chantoine:
yellow/purple inverted for me (dark)...
[Android Apps and Games] Dark_Eyes_:
How about the option to trash on sent too? Most of the time I end up trashing the original mail rather than archiving it (for example questions from coworkers I don't need to keep)?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Most people keep their email for later reference, so this won't be commonly used.
[Android Apps and Games] Dark_Eyes_:
I agree, I keep all my personal mail which accounts for about 20% of total traffic. Of the 80% work mail, 90% ends up in the trash because I have no use for it later (information that I've read, questions from coworker, etc.). But that's my personal use case and I understand if you don't want to add it! Thanks for the quick reply!
[Android Apps and Games] zzz2002:
I think that the option to archive a whole conversation may be very important for legal reasons.

On at least one occasion in the past, the ability to access a whole conversation proved very useful in resolving a dispute.

However, I understand that my experience may not be common.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
But to me, a whole conversation means the contributions of ALL participants.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
To me it means all messages of the conversation, except messages I sent.

And there you have it: different people, different ideas.

Adding yet another option nobody understands doesn't seem a good idea to me.

Also, even if you archive the messages, how are you going to find back the conversation (=all messages) ? You'll need an email client for this, which does this for you. Fortunately, FairEmail will do this, but of course limited to the messages on your device.
[Android Apps and Games] ammarr:
Thunderbird has an option to place replies both in the sent folder and a copy in the folder that the message originally was. This allows the conversation to stay in one place. IMO that is a better option than moving messages out of the sent folder into the archive folder which I agree with @M66B is not intuitive and potentially intrusive.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Here, ALL messages of a conversation are always archived together in a topic or person folder - including my own messages, of course, otherwise you wouldn't know later what a reply referred to. So restoring the entire conversation with the contributions of all participants is no problem.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
If only all email servers supported this and if only people didn't harshly rate 1 star for when something small doesn't work.

Not all email servers can handle copies of messages (=messages with the same ID), even not when this is in different folders.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Here, the Sent folder is not used at all, because all mails, including mine, immediately end up in the corresponding Topics or People folder - so a copy is not necessary at all.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I think that is a good point: you can always use filter rules to automatically move messages.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Possibly the new setup screen layout, feedback is appreciated:

Just three steps ...
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Wizard or manual setup and *then* 'Go to inbox'
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Granting contacts permissions and disabling battery optimizations needs to be done too.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Then you have only a part of a conversation, not the whole conversation.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Does it matter in which folders the messages of a conversation are? It is still a conversation and FairEmail will still show it at such. That is, if grouping of messages is enabled in the display settings.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Sure, I was only concerned with the order under point 1.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
That ist o.k.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am not sure what you mean by this, but the messages of a conversation will be order on date/time descending by default.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
I meant your new Sepup screen: There should be IMO in the point 1 first 'Wizard' or the 'manual setup' arranged, before then 'Go to inbox'-button comes.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am not sure because the manual setup is meant as fallback and for fine tuning, like setting a color, etc.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
That is why the OR should be clearly emphasized.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
How would you suggest to do that?
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
'Wizard' or for finetuning 'manual setup'

___________________________ 'accounts' 'identities'

___________________________ etc.

then 'Go to inbox'
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
How about 'Manual setup and more options' ?
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
'manual setup and more options for accounts and identities'
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
How about this:
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
For me it looks very good :-)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Version 1.1469 is available on GitHub now.

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

This version has a redesigned setup screen I like to receive feedback about. The texts are not made translatable yet because it might not be finished yet.

A nice addition IMHO is a dark original message view, which is possible now because newer Android System WebView versions support this (you'll need version 76 or later).
[Android Apps and Games] lou2s:
The dark original message view is awesome!
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
I love the new setup screen - reduction from five items to three! Also the dark original view and the delete button in the search dialog are enrichments.

Two comments about the setup screen:

1. in the manual setup, the German translations of the explanations overlap a bit in the middle (see screenshot - don't get irritated, the yellow sidebar on the right edge comes from Everywhere Launcher).

If you could solve it for the German by moving it slightly outwards, other translations might be even longer, so you might have to limit these fields in the middle, right? If necessary, longer translation texts will be wrapped on two lines.

2) If you have opened the manual setup in order to fine-tune accounts or identities, shouldn't the manual setup still be opened when you are done with the settings and come back via the back button, so that you can continue directly with the settings for the other point?
[Android Apps and Games] dctrbnsttr:
I must be missing something. How does one select the dark original message view?
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Here it comes automatically - I don't know why ... ;-)
[Android Apps and Games] wimstefan:
I guess you have to use a theme which is able the follow the system theme ...

The new dark view is wonderful btw and even though I don't have to use the setup function anymore I was checking out the new setup screen and found it very useful and clear!
[Android Apps and Games] dctrbnsttr:
Does not matter the theme for me. No dark original message view. Perhaps what I think is the original message view really isn't.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
That's what I thought at first, but a little test quickly showed that it wasn't because of that.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Love the new dark mode on original
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You'll need to use a dark theme and the Android WebView needs to be up to date.
[Android Apps and Games] Surfinette:
@M66B

If you are looking to clean up the Main menu section, why don't you hide the "Done" blocks (i.e. grant permissions an battery optimization) when effectively done with them?

You could add a downward arrow to unhide them or add an option in the Miscellaneous section to revert those settings, which people will rarely do.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Marcel, you could also move the two items to the 'Manual setup and other options' section after they are done - then only the one item would remain.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The idea in itself is good, but for support I need to have a consistent layout. Imagine if I ask somebody to check if battery optimizations are disabled, the answer could be "I can't find it", etc.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Yes, that's right, you would have to add that in case of doubt he has to open the section with the manual setup - just like you always add it with the longpress on support in the main menu ... ;-)
[Android Apps and Games] Surfinette:
That is why I suggested to have them hidden behind an unfolding arrow
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
But this is exactly the case with the section 'Manual setup and other options'.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The manual setup is related to 'Add account', granting permissions and disabling battery optimizations is not.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Then perhaps the heading of the remaining single item would just need to be changed to 'setup'?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The step numbers are for reference when answering support questions.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
The numbering of the steps can be kept behind the fold-out arrow.
[Android Apps and Games] Surfinette:
Maybe you could have a second unfolding arrow, this time at the bottom, that would be called "Basic initial settings" or something similar.

This arrow would be automatically folded by default when all Done and by default unfolded when not all Done.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
What do you actually think, Marcel, of my two comments in post #17,507?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I think this is too complicated. The setup screen isn't used that often.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have already fixed this :-)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The theme score is (thanks!):

blue/orange light 3

blue/orange system 3

red/green inverted dark 3

red/green inverted system 2

yellow/purple inverted 1

black 4

black/white 1

grey dark 3

grey system 1

I will keep the blue/orange theme as default, also because blue is a more neutral color, but the default will be to follow the system day/night mode (this was already changed for new installations).
[Android Apps and Games] wimstefan:
After your question panel I've had another good look & switched to grey/system 😏
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Version 1.1470 is available on GitHub now.

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

Besides a few small improvements and minor bug fixes, the changes are mostly finishing touches for the redesigned setup screen, as far as anything can be ever finished.
[Android Apps and Games] Dark_Eyes_:
@M66B about the auto-archive feature on send, I think the message that is being replied/forwarded should be archived and mark read no matter if it was read or not in the first place. Logically, if you reply/forward a message, you obviously have read it and are willing to move it to archive since you selected that option.

Other messages could be moved without marking read or not moved at all, although I would prefer moved without marking read. What do you think?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I think it is logical that the message is already marked read because you are replying to it.

If it was not marked read, automatically marking messages read on expanding was disabled. I think it would be a bad idea in this situation to mark the message read because the user explicitly configured not to do this.
[Android Apps and Games] Dark_Eyes_:
I agree, I myself have disabled the mark read on expanding, but I also have auto-mark read on move. With those settings, the auto-archive feature is useless, even if I willingly chose to move that particular message to archive on send. Maybe the auto-mark read on move should be taken into account?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Auto mark read on move will be taken into account.
[Android Apps and Games] Dark_Eyes_:
I mean, the message isn't moved at all because it isn't read. Its a bit confusing, even more when not threading, because you select "archive after sent" but nothing happens because the message wasn't read in the first place. I think the conscious choice of selecting "archive after sent" should override the "isRead" condition, at least for the message being replied to/forwarded from.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Can you please test this, while I continue playing with my Raspberry Pi Zero W + BME280 sensor ? ;-)
[Android Apps and Games] Dark_Eyes_:
Cool, it seems to work fine, and cool, a Raspberry Pi !
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Is the classification based only on the body of the mail or also on the sender and subject?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
All email addresses, the subject and the message text will be taken into account.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Thanks for the quick answer ... but shouldn't the classification then also recognize for new mails if there are already about 60 newsletters from the same sender and with the same subject in a folder where the classification is switched on?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
That depends entirely on previously classified messages and the similarity of the message, including its contents.

You might want to adjust the minimum class probability in the miscellaneous settings to a lower value, like for example 15 or 10 %.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Of course, the content is always different. I have already reduced the settings ... I'll probably just have to wait and see if anything is recognized here at some point.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Just to be sure, did you enable auto move for the target folder?

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq163
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Yes, of course.

I don't really have a problem with it either, because in FE it only takes two taps to move a mail to another folder - I just wanted to understand it better.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Version 1.1471 1.1472 is available on GitHub now and will be available in the Play store test program after Google's approval.

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases
[Android Apps and Games] upD8R:
I was looking for a setting to disable the (new) original dark mode view while sticking to the black theme. Did I miss anything?

Thanks!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You'll need to use a dark or black theme, use a suitable Android version with an updatable WebView, probably Android 8 or later, and WebView version 76 or later.

The Android documentation is not really clear about the exact conditions, which is unfortunately not unusual.

Edit: some more information:

WebView darkening — Force Dark Mode for Web Contents

Now you can automatically render all web contents using a dark theme in Android WebView. If you see androidx.webkit:webkit:1.3.0-beta01…

medium.com
[Android Apps and Games] upD8R:
Thanks, I got that. Actually, I wanted to get rid off it. Sorry if I wasn't clear🙄

It's my default after I got today's update. I use dark/black mode but in original message view I find it rather distracting as I mostly see (embedded) pictures with white or light background surrounded by black.

Therefore I wanted to turn this new behaviour off.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You'll need to turn off the dark/black theme for this, which recently got easier: in the three dots overflow menu of the start screen.
[Android Apps and Games] abbadc:
Can I somehow set the senders to be merged, each in its own thread (sock)? Thank you
[Android Apps and Games] upD8R:
I see. So there is no way right now to achieve the previous behaviour?

I was quite happy with it: Dark Theme enabled, "secure" message view also dark but if I change to original I got the original view (which is usually with white background).

Anyway, I will get used to it ...
[Android Apps and Games] La_Globule:
Hi M66B,

So to formalize the question: is there a way to have black/dark theme for the entire app and a white background for the message view as before the modification?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can sort messages by sender, but grouping all message by sender is not supported. The latter isn't generally useful and would come with a significant performance impact.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The dark theme is dark, including the original WebView. So, this is not possible at this moment, but things can change. However, I need to take care of my sick girlfriend, so this might take longer than usual. I will need distractions though.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
So sorry about your girlfriend. Prayers for a quick and complete recovery.
[Android Apps and Games] zzz2002:
Look after your girlfriend. She is much more important than our minor problems. we can wait.

Wishing her a speedy recovery.
[Android Apps and Games] wimstefan:
I hope she's recovering soon! All the best.
[Android Apps and Games] La_Globule:
No hurry at all about this, take care of her and of you too.
[Android Apps and Games] abbadc:
It's weird, my previous mail did this, and it was very fast. I'm used to it and I find it comfortable. What can you do.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can just search for messages of the same sender if needed. This can conveniently be done with the magnifier glass in the addresses section between the message header and message text. You can also enable a dedicated button for this via the horizontal three dots menu.

Combined with conversation threading and considering that some people literally store 100 thousands of messages, it is not feasible to add this.

Some email apps, like Bluemail store all messages on a server, which will make a feature like this feasible, but will be bad for your privacy, to say the least:

Is Blue Mail really spying?

End of last week reports emerged, that the 5-star rated Android mail client BlueMail is leaking credentials. The app submits username and passwords to their own servers. The story was featured in t…

benbloggt.wordpress.com
[Android Apps and Games] mrrocketdog:
family first brother.:good:
[Android Apps and Games] abbadc:
Thanks for the info, I didn't know this, it seems to be serious, thanks for your work.
[Android Apps and Games] SaboraPie:
Hi. The sync frecuency don't works if i change it in section "When, Every 4 hours". it's as if I don't check for new emails in my gmail account. I have all battery optimizations disabled. If I use "Always" option, it notifies me well as soon as a new email arrives.

Is it a problem with the app configuration or...? I am using Lineage 17.1 + MicroG. Thanks!!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Please send me the debug info by long pressing support in the navigation menu indicating the time no messages were checked and I will see what I can find out.
[Android Apps and Games] @Philipp:
I have some input about the themes as well, but first of all, thank you for the app!

So reading the last pages of this thread, it seems to have already been reported, but to +1 it:

I have version 1.1474 now, and can't have the messages appear with their original background, while having the rest of the app use the dark mode/theme, which is very unfortunate. I hope we can get an option to configure this.

But what I am baffled about are the color options of the themes.

Wouldn't it be way more user-friendly to just have two color pickers like the account color choosers to pick individual color?

To still have the current themes available, there could be a dropdown to choose one of the current presets, which could just change the HEX color values of those two color pickers.

No "Invert colors" option needed anymore, just put it in as a preset. :)

The options for the light and dark mode can stay. (+ an override for the messages themselves, as mentioned initially.)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Next version:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/commit/db35fb761dc5ed8f5c862abc813eb1631b4d0eb7

I wish it was as simple as that, but please see here why it isn't:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq164
[Android Apps and Games] @Philipp:
Amazing, thank you very much!

I see, that is an unfortunate platform restriction.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Version 1.1475 is available on GitHub now.

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

When switching to the original message view, there will be a new option to show the original message with a light background, even when using a dark or black theme.
[Android Apps and Games] La_Globule:
Nice! Exactly as before, it helps reading the message.

Thanks a lot.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
So, this apparently just happened.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1354949524700205066

Google deleted legitimate 1* reviews.

Meanwhile they ignore troll and fake reviews.

HmMm, this shows they only care when it matters to them
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
What's new?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Version 1.1476 is available on GitHub now.

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

Besides some small improvements and minor bug fixes, there is one new feature: shortcuts to folders, which you can create by long pressing a folder in the folder list of an account. Edit: this feature requires Android 8 or later.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Getting better all the time. Love it!