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[Android Apps and Games] O_DoC:
I 'personally' go for A, because I used to it and as an 'IT guy' I like the space saving and the 'lookalike' against the other part of this form.

But from strictly an UI friendly and moreover, with the potential 'everyday Doe' users (not to mention the large amount of Karen and Ken...), I'll go for B because it do not let lazzy mind an other choice.

''Your salvation goes through here'' push that f... button ٩(◕‿◕｡)۶

And more seriously, its also good for both, right and left handed, like relevantly said a few message above.

The 'read this first' label for first time user on 'Help' button could be an other it.

Don't know if it's not a mess to code a first launch detection for an button label.

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In this form, would it be ok if the following parameters link still be active, even after validation and check mark enabled.

Like the battery one's which a dead link action after doing it.

Don't know if it's relevant for everyone but for me I like to be able to go again where's this parameters leads, as a quick link, even after already doing it the first time.

Tapa'DoC'eD
[Android Apps and Games] loyl1:
Aha! Many thanks!
[Android Apps and Games] avalx:
B)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Can somebody with an AT&T account please try if the Yahoo quick setup wizard (OAuth) works for an AT&T account? It seems it should.

Edit: if you have an AT&T account, I would appreciate it if you could create a sub-account and share it with me for testing purposes.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Version 1.1407 is available on GitHub now and will be available in the Play store after Google's approval.

Besides some small changes, it is now optionally possible to print messages without a header.
[Android Apps and Games] Yossip:
Hi,

I too would like that decrypted messages don't get stored locally. They should return to the encrypted state as soon as the message is closed, similar to how it works in Thunderbird.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This is a choice you can make yourself: just tap on the padlock icon again.

Note that if your device is properly protected (PIN, pattern, fingerprint, etc) that all Android data is safe because it is always encrypted.
[Android Apps and Games] radospol:
Hello. I'll try your great Fairemail apk. And I would like to buy for the version, but first I need to know if it can be set to display emails in the conversation, that all emails from one recipient will be displayed only as one email in the inbox, after clicking they are already as a chat conversation. It has such a spike email application and this is what I consider one of my priorities. Thank you very much and I wish you good luck in your next job. Rado
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Messages are grouped into conversation, also if there are multiple people participating.

This is not based on email addresses, but on relations between messages (replied, referenced, etc).
[Android Apps and Games] supermarketaddict:
wow this is a great project and has been active for such a long time.

Seems it has changed a lot during the long time and it looks more amazing now!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Does anyone have an unused OnePlus 3T that can be borrowed or gifted to me?

Rolling out TCP keep-alive, which could increase connection stability, is being held back because some TCP/IP stacks seem to have a bug and in any case this device is affected. I like to figure out a workaround for this, but for this I need to be able to reproduce the problem.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Version 1.1408 is available on GitHub now and will be available in the Play store after Google's approval (previous versions were not approved yet).

I like to hear your opinion about the quick setup wizard button. Also, the font size of step 1-5 was made smaller to put more emphasis on the quick setup wizard.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
For me it is o.k.
[Android Apps and Games] ouzowtf:
You can send me test versions like before if that would help you.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Fine.

A cosmetic suggestion. Fade out step1 when you are on 2, 1&2 when on 3 and so on.. Gives a sense of progress
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Thanks, but I need to debug this on the device itself.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The manage button is always enabled to add/change accounts, so this could people made think that this isn't possible anymore.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Fine with me
[Android Apps and Games] radospol:
It would be great to merge all emails into one conversation from one email address. Don't plan to add this to settings? Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Why do you need a conversation if you only want to see a part of the conversation? It would be easier to automatically copy all messages to and from a participant into a separate folder and then access that folder.
[Android Apps and Games] radospol:
try spike email client, it's more efficient. I would also like to have this in the fair email.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
According to the evaluations, Spike-Mail should have many problems. I don't think there is anything more efficient and privacy protecting mail client than FairEmail. Why don't you answer my question? If you are just looking for the chat-like look, you can also try DeltaChat ;)
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Spike email is cloud based. All your emails pass thru their servers. You know what that can mean, don't you?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have no plans to add this because performance wise this will result in problems and besides that, I don't see the general usefulness of this.

Today we talk about the weather, tomorrow about Corona. The same people, but a different subject.

Note that FairEmail doesn't run in a privacy unfriendly cloud, but on your device.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
There are so many 1 and 2 star Play store ratings :(

The average rating has been going down rather fast lately, which is very frustrating and demotivating. I was adding auto undo decrypt on closing a conversation and stopped with it. Maybe later.

Who still want to be developer? Maybe if you are a masochist and wants to be harassed all the time.

Big ignorant companies which don't take you and your privacy seriously will be the future.
[Android Apps and Games] ammarr:
Here, it shows 4.7 rating over 9600 reviews. IMO rating is something that should be looked at as an average rather than individual ratings. A 4.7 rating tells me that pretty much everyone is rating this a 5. Can't get any better than that!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You don't see the digits after the decimal dot.

The average rating is going down fast and will soon be below 4.6.

There are just too few good ratings to compensate the bad ratings.
[Android Apps and Games] Friedel25:
I hope it is a small consolation: in the German Playstore the average in the last 4 weeks was always 4.8 to 4.83 per week (I hope I am calculating correctly).

Unfortunately it looks different in the EN-Playstore. Maybe it's the other side of the success: more and more users who don't appreciate the quality of the app become aware of FairEmail. Please don't get discouraged and continue and concentrate on maintenance and less on new features.

:good:
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The next version will have an option to "Undo decryption on closing conversation", but it might take a while until a new version will be released.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Because of this review, there won't be any new options anymore unless they will be useful to the majority of the users of FairEmail.

In other words, this will be applied strictly from now on:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-get-support
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
Marcel, I can understand your reaction to these ridiculous bad reviews but, as a longtime supporter and admirer, I need to point out that your response to these reviews is playing into their hands.

They obviously wish to harm you, perhaps even motivated by what they know will be your predictable response. So, when you stop improvements to the app, you are only harming your many supporters and friends and doing exactly what your enemies want. For a person as logical as you are this emotional response is not the smartest response.

My advice, which I realize is not asked for, is an opposite response. The more they write unfair reviews the more you should continue making FairEmail even better rather than doing what they want you to do and damage your product. Ignore reviews that are obviously ridiculous and keep up your excellent work.

I know this advice is easier given than taken but it is given honestly and in friendship. It is in response to your obvious distress which I wish I knew how else to alleviate.

Finally, FairEmail is already so excellent and way superior to anything else out there that even if you stopped development it will remain way ahead. It's a win-win situation though emotionally painful to you.

From a grateful enduser.

---------- Post added at 04:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:19 PM ----------

He's just saying it is beyond *his* ability to handle. It's a comment about him, not FairEmail.

It's like looking at a restaurant menu and complaining because there are too many choices on the menu!
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
You would almost be tempted to release a beginner's version with all the options locked in their default position, with an option to upgrade to the normal edition (FairEmail Plus) for free.
[Android Apps and Games] SAPhil:
Hi,

I've just installed FairEmail and while I am impressed and would like to continue to use it, I fear my email hosting company has an issue with it! All my Gmail,hotmail,etc accounts connect just fine however my main account is with a hosted email company. I connect via IMAP but after a while the connection fails and the "Waiting after failure" icon is displayed. I see the following in the log:

Fast fails=3 was=26 first=951 poll=15 avg=317/675 missing=1073 compensate=1 backoff=15 host=cp160176.hpdns.net ex=Unrecoverable javax.mail.FolderClosedException: IDLE;

nested exception is:

java.lang.Exception: javax.mail.FolderClosedException: * BYE Jakarta Mail Exception: java.io.EOFException: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream IDLE javax.mail.FolderClosedException: * BYE Jakarta Mail Exception: java.io.EOFException: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream * BYE Jakarta

Any thoughts? My existing email client seems to cope ok - although I don't like it for various reasons!

Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Please long press 'Support' in the navigation menu, explaining the issue, and I will check what is happening and give advice on settings.
[Android Apps and Games] SAPhil:
That was fast! I've sent details. Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
Or, with less work, a prominent button which resets changed settings to default.

It should of course include a option to first save the changed settings so the user can return to them if desired.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Another point to note- Slack is in negotiations to be sold to SalesForce for an estimated USD 17/18 billion. It's rating on the Play store is 4.1. Just goes to show you these ratings really don't mean much except to understand reviews are very subjective and quite often not reflective of the quality of the app. ( Morons everywhere).
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Are you saying that I should sell FairEmail for an even higher amount? ;)
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
No! I am saying you should be proud of your accomplishments and ignore the idiots who detract! You are too passionate about FairEmail to sell it;)
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
I've got a slight hunch that even Marcel would sell FE for 18 billion.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I know some rich people and they seem to be not very happy, so I am not so sure about that.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Whatever you decide Marcel, we just want you to be happy.
[Android Apps and Games] [nullnull]:
I want to report a minor bug... IDK if that's the right place😅

Anyway in settings while scrolling the little arrows of the drop-down menus go over the top settings menu (the horizontal one with "main" "received" "send" "connection" "screen" "behavior" "privacy" ecc. entrys).

It may be couse I'm on an old Android version in fact I don't know if it happens in later versions as well.

Here my device informations for debugging purpose:

Device: ........................................... Huawei P10 lite

Model number: ....................... WAS-LX1A

Android version: .................... 7.0

P.S. : that's one of the best open source app I have on my phone, grate job👍
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Bug or feature? Google thinks this is a feature ...
[Android Apps and Games] Namnodorel:
Never noticed that, but can confirm.

How could anyone see that as a feature?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Latest 1 star review:

Device: Surface Duo, price: ~ $1200 !
[Android Apps and Games] O_DoC:
It's clearly either a fake (paid?) review or at least an haters one...

Everyone have their point of view, but 'claiming that' couldn't obviously be taken seriously, as almost all major features are freely available ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As everyone already shared their thoughts about this here in one of FE community : Keep faith in your project and the so much amount of positive impact you're both have, in people here, on the email client game, on your proud well deserve feeling of building such greats apps,...etc.

[emoji110]

Tapa'DoC'eD
[Android Apps and Games] [nullnull]:
Yep... That's the best reply to a bug report I have ever seen?

Btw maybe there is same workaround to fix it, I'll try in the next days since I have nothing to do (thanks to covid?) and maybe it will and up in a pull request... Thanks for the reply (and for the good laugh) and we will see?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I don't think this minor problem can be fixed without changing the AndroidX libraries, which is IMHO not worth the effort, which is better spent on things like subject encryption, etc. A pull request would be welcome though.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Version 1.1409 Bambiraptor (oh deer) is available on GitHub now.

This is mostly a version with smaller improvements and some bug fixes, notably making the Android spell checker work with an ugly workaround.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
EXPERIMENTAL version 1.1410 Bambiraptor is available on GitHub now.

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

Lots of database queries were changed to prevent invalidating tables. This might result in a significant performance improvement, especially when a lot of operations are being executed. I have triple checked all queries and of course tested everything, but since there could still be mistakes or side effects, this version is marked as experimental.

There is more to it because these changes are based on modifying Android ROOM as described in this feature request:

https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/139292725

(you'll need to login with a Google account)

Edit: please star the issue!

Please report any issue you discover, so it can be fixed.
[Android Apps and Games] Ikearat:
Thank you Marcel.

When I read and try to follow the things you mention or link, I am amazed that you (or anyone) can deal with the complexity.

My brother is a software engineer for a big car company and he understands all of this stuff. Long ago, I tried my hand at programming and the incessant re-learning drove me away. I made it to about C+ and the early years of Java. I could bend Lotus 123 to do anything you could imagine at the time. :)

Tried a little Python (Arduino development) but the re-learning issue was well in my way by then.

Thank you for not being driven away by all the confusion :)
[Android Apps and Games] Snotezee:
How about a feature to allow deletion of more than one email at a time?
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
You can do this today and a long time ago. Select the desired mails per longclick and then three-dot-menu.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
It's there already. Long press & select multiple mails and "trash" or do other things from the menu available from the colored circle that appears when you tap to select
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Version 1.1411 is available on GitHub now.
[Android Apps and Games] Dark_Eyes_:
[MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION], I just noticed that the "Limit parallel database access" was enabled, and I don't recall changing that setting myself. Is it something that you changed in the recent updates?

I guess I can leave it disabled and I'll see if anything wrong happens? Or is there a list of devices that need it enabled?

Thanks in advance!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This option is default disabled for all devices.
[Android Apps and Games] Hiroo Onoda:
Hi Marcel,

I've encountered a problem and would like to know if FairEmail is responsible for it. I'd be very grateful if you could clarify that for me.

FE is set to synchronise continuously. I'm using a VPN on my phone. The VPN service is set to pause when the screen turns off. So, whenever I use the phone, FE goes through the VPN, whenever I don't, it uses the original connection (wifi or mobile data). This also means that the more I pick up my phone, the more often the IP changes. Apparently, if it happens too often, FE synchronisation fails. Manual sync still works and actually resets the auto sync. I see several entries in the log which I believe are related:

18:05:55 ### [I]'Provider name'[/I] backoff until=Mon Nov 30 18:20:55 GMT+01:00 2020
18:05:55 [I]'Provider name'[/I] backoff=900 recently=1
18:05:55 Fast fails=3 was=98 first=749 poll=15 avg=249/675 missing=1275 compensate=1 backoff=15 host=[I]'Provider name'[/I] ex=Unrecoverable javax.mail.FolderClosedException: IDLE;
nested exception is:
java.lang.Exception: javax.mail.FolderClosedException: * BYE Jakarta Mail Exception: java.net.SocketException: Software caused connection abort IDLE javax.mail.FolderClosedException: * BYE Jakarta Mail Exception: java.net.SocketException: Software caused connection abort * BYE Jakarta Mail Exception: java.net.SocketException: Software caused connection abort

I took note of both the FAQ and a discussion here in May on the issue of VPN and FairEmail, so I strongly assume my mail provider rejects the automatic connection (in this case for 15 minutes). Am I correct? If so, I suppose I need to take it up with my provider.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The connection is terminated, probably because of the VPN pausing (I am not sure what that means):

Software caused connection abort

FairEmail will retry as documented here:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq123

The provided log snippet tells FairEmail is waiting 15 minutes (900 seconds) until the next try.
[Android Apps and Games] Hiroo Onoda:
I see, so 'software' in this case refers to the VPN app or the Android system handling connection. The VPN pausing just means that the VPN tunnel is temporarily dropped and can be resumed/unpaused almost instantly, and during this time apps can make use of the original wifi/mobile data connection. It can be used as a means to reduce VPN battery usage. Unfortunately, this is the most technical answer I can give. Anyway, it's not the pausing of the VPN per se which causes the issue, but rather a frequent pausing/resuming, which would result in repeated queries to the mail server from different IPs.

So just to be sure, it is FairEmail which decides to temporarily stop the continuous sync for 15 min, not the mail server telling FairEmail?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Software is the local network software.

FairEmail is waiting 15 minutes because connecting after shorts waits of 4, 8, 16 and 32 seconds failed. Continuously retrying would drain the battery.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The XDA app does not work anymore, XDA notifications do not work anymore, I can't find a way to navigate to the last new comment, etc.

Summarized: XDA is unusable at this moment, so don't expect the usual fast responses.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
I thought it was just me.
[Android Apps and Games] greyhd:
Yea xda is going thru an update. A new app is going to be released this week from what I read.
[Android Apps and Games] O_DoC:
Hello Marcel,

Seems XDA slowly rebuild the things that were crashed or disappeared... :rolleyes:

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So about the last version 1.1413 and the IMAP NOTIFY experimental support :

Is there's a way to "know" if the server support this ?

By looking if the log of FE or with something else for example.​

​

Just to be sure and to be clear of my understanding -noob question incoming- :

A subscribed folder is the folder which is displayed in folder list of a given account ?

A synchronized folder is a folder in that list where the Synchronize check box is tick for that folder (long press menu) ?

If it's that, so how/where do I manage which folder is subscribed or not ?

Again, may be obvious, but I found myself in a "yeah new feature" when reading change log, and immediately in a "hu where I manage that again" mood :LOL:

Thanks for clarifying.

PS : hope Forum fix will not take too long and of course we'll have an mobile access soon ! (new xda app or/and tapatalk connection reactivation)

Tapa'DoC'eD

[EDIT : The Edit button is BaCk ^^ haha]
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can check the log via the navigation menu if the server reports the NOTIFY capability. This was specifically for this purpose added. Mail.de support this, but I haven't seen any other email server supporting this so far. I don't think there are many, if any, email clients supporting this either.

Subscribed is a folder status. You can enable subscription management in the receive settings and you can long press a folder to subscribe/unsubscribe it. See the legend for the 'is subscribed' and 'is synchronized' icons, etc.

Edit: I have to try if edit works ;-)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am thinking about stopping distribution of FairEmail in all Eastern bloc countries, especially the Czech republic and Poland. I am so tired of all the unfair negative reviews coming from these countries. If people want to be unhappy, that is fine, but without me.
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
Marcel, where do I find this NOTIFY setting?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Please see here:

FairEmail/FAQ.md at master · M66B/FairEmail

Fully featured, open source, privacy friendly email app for Android - M66B/FairEmail

github.com
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
Yes, but then? Which settings do I need to change elsewhere to test if it works?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Enabling the experimental features will just enable this feature. There is nothing more to do.
[Android Apps and Games] ouzowtf:
You should be able to see them here:

https://xdaforums.com/whats-new/posts/

Maybe you have to filter at the right side for your preferred setting and save this as default.

Old threads without new posts listed there too seems to be still a bug, but I solved it for me by marking all forums as read (when I was sure I did not miss anything).
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This feature was added and it would be nice to get some feedback.
[Android Apps and Games] Shakidor:
Hi,

This new (?) forum interface has me confused. The search function at the top doesn't seem to produce results. Is something wrong at the moment?

To kill two birds with one stone: I was searching for mentions of "Huawei", because I wanted to find out if FairEmail works properly on Huawei devices. Does it?

Thanks in advance for any help on those two points.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
FairEmail doesn't rely on any Google service, so it will work on Huawei devices too.
[Android Apps and Games] christantoan:
It should work fine if you use the GitHub version though I'm not sure you can check Gmail accounts
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
If needed, Gmail accounts can be authorized with an app password:

FairEmail/FAQ.md at master · M66B/FairEmail

Fully featured, open source, privacy friendly email app for Android - M66B/FairEmail

github.com
[Android Apps and Games] Shakidor:
Good news.

I don't use Gmail, so that'll be fine.

Thanks.