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[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Yahoo does not support push messages. The best thing you can do is blame FairEmail for that, do false accusations and in the process demotivate good willing independent developers. This is how you end up with apps from big companies only that do not take you and your privacy seriously.

Anyway, I am done for today.
[Android Apps and Games] andy356:
Yes, dear Play Store reviewer, we know to avoid stupid people like you. Such wild accusations made for no reason. Anyone can make assumptions like that. Let me try: "this is probably an outlet for any Covid related problems you might be facing in real life. Spewing vitriol over other people's work makes you feel satisfied about yourself."

You'd think that in this time of strife world over, people would make the effort to be extra nice to each other. You would be wrong.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Google refused to remove the review!
[Android Apps and Games] andy356:
I'm wondering about moral responsibility here. If you make an app store and allow people to post reviews, you should have the organizational capacity to moderate them. If people are found to be reviewing in bad faith, they should be banned from reviewing at all.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
IMHO Google is violating EU regulation 2019/1150:

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32019R1150

The review is clearly offending and clearly violating the Play store review policies and yet Google refuses to remove it.

Even worse: there are quite some clones of NetGuard in the Play store violating both the license and copyright. Google simply refused to delete these clones, while conclusive proof of the violations was provided. Note that this was not even an automated response, but a judgement of a person.

As independent developer I have unfortunately not the means to do something about this :(

I could call the EU, but would that help?
[Android Apps and Games] womefa:
Ok, will do. Thank you very much! :)
[Android Apps and Games] cylonid:
You could try to reach out to https://noyb.eu. Maybe you heard of their head, Max Schrems. He had some successful trials against illegal practices of big IT companies on EU level, however mainly regarding privacy issues. It would be interesting to know, why Google refuses to remove such comments. What's their benefit?

Anyway, don't feel discouraged just because of unconstructive i*iots who don't know a thing about the effort you put in voluntarily in your free time. You are doing great work :good:
[Android Apps and Games] andy356:
Naturally, this person wouldn't be a developer themselves, or they would be out there developing apps and not moderating reviews, so they have no idea what it means to be crushed between unfair reviewers and an uncaring giant.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Would it be possible that after clicking on 'save all' you get a popup telling you that now - when everything is saved - 'all attachments have been saved successfully'?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I will see if this can be added.

Edit: there is already a popup confirming that all attachments were saved.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am already done for today.

Your depressed developer.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Oh, thanks, then I must have missed it last time.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released version 1.1272 Philovenator

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

The most important change is that the undo snackbar will be hidden on opening a conversation.

Please report any issue you discover, so it can be fixed.
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
[MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION], currently I have the unmetered connections setting off and my WiFi is not working, so FE is not monitoring accounts and messages I send will be waiting in the outbox.

When I create a message but then delete it from outbox, the 'Sending messages' notification remains, with the text '0 messages to be sent' - probably because the operations to add and delete the messages to Drafts are still there.

I don't really mind about the unnecessary operations, but the notification can be a bit confusing. After all, from the user's point of view, after deleting the message there is nothing to be notified about anymore.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This should not happen and I will look into it.

Edit: https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/commit/d7706f0e726572edec732bf4e0dde888b366f4e4
[Android Apps and Games] crypta:
If I change the account colors, restart the app, refresh the inbox, the colors in the inbox are the old ones, not the actual account colors.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You don't have to restart the app to change the colors.

The shown color is the identity, folder or account color, in this order. So, please make sure there is no folder or identity color set.
[Android Apps and Games] crypta:
Ah, I changed the account colors, not the identity.

Is there a way to sync them (if 1on 1connected)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The IMAP protocol does not support colors, so synchronizing colors is not possible.
[Android Apps and Games] crypta:
I mean between the different locations within fairmail for setting colors.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am not sure what you mean, sorry.

FairEmail will show one color and pick either the identity, folder or account color, in this order.
[Android Apps and Games] crypta:
If Account has a color and identity another. In my case I do have one identity for one account. In this case these colors may different and I would need to manually copy paste to have the same color.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
Just an end user comment:

When originally setting up my accounts I chose different colors for my 6 mail accounts even though I have not really found that a very useful feature, at least for me.

But until reading this recent thread interchange I was not aware that different colors could *also* be set for identities and even folders. (Perhaps it was a feature added to FairEmail after my accounts were already set up). It now seems to me that having different colors for sent vs received messages or for different identities could indeed be quite useful in the unified inbox when sent messages appear there.

Maybe I'm missing something but what is the useful purpose of simultaneously having different colors for folder, identity, and accounts. Is that level of customization excessive and leading to confusion. Should it be one initial user option (folder color *or* account color *or* identity) instead of allowing all 3 choices creating potential conflict with one choice taking 'priority' over another? Should the user be asked which color system he/she prefers to use: different folder colors, or different identity colors, or different account colors. That would avoid color conflict and alert the user of the 3 possibilities. Does anyone use 3 options simultaneously? How and why? Just learning.
[Android Apps and Games] ciaoant1:
Hello,

I just tried using this app, and I liked everything about it, except one thing:

The app is using some backround service, probably to keep it active all the time, and prevent Android from "killing" the app. This ensures that the user never misses an email notification, which is good, but it also creates a constant notification in the status bar of the phone, which is a little bit of an annoyance.

While using Telegram (for instant messaging), I noticed that it is also using a backround service for ensuring that the app never gets "killed", but, in Telegram's case, it is possible to hide the constant notification in the status bar.

So, I was wondering if there is a way for Fairemail to do the same. If not, I apologise for troubling you with this message, and thank you for this great app!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Please see this FAQ about how you can disabled the monitoring status bar notification:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq2
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
In this case you could reset (clear) the account and/or identity color. The precedence is identity, folder and account color.

Only one of the colors (identity, folder, account) will be used and the color precedence is there to make things simpler and to avoid settings. You can use only a identity, folder or account color or use for example identity colors with a fallback to an account color.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
If my main objective is to primarily differentiate in the unified inbox between messages I sent out (irrespective of which sending identity) from those I receive, which is best to use: identity or folder colors?

Thank you.

Fantastic app!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Without doubt folder colors.
[Android Apps and Games] mysteryoneal:
Feature request

Is it possible for a display option to be added which sets default message veiw to "inverted colours" or "night mode" or whatever the little button on the right and just above the message text activates. The whole dark/night theme idea is kind of defeated when the message display defaults to a white background every time and slaps you in the face with glaring white.

Also, I can't say for certain, but I have a feeling that if you lowered the price of the Pro version, people would be more likely to opt in for that and you would actually make more money in the long run. If you do lower the price, be sure to notify us in-app. I am sure there are lots of us who went to buy and changed our minds when we saw the relatively high app pricetag. I understand that you feel that your work is valuable and it very much is. But, with apps it is a market of quantity not quality, so you are going to make more money by selling for less and attracting exponentially more people. If all else fails...just do a half price sale every once in a while to catch us poor/cheap bastards. Thanks for your creation.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
In the design selection you can select a dark background. But on my device the background changed automaticly if I select there system-design.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I guess this is about the original message view: inverting colors is possible (but ugly), but it will result in crashes when the message is larger because it uses too much graphic memory. Turning off hardware acceleration would fix this, but you really don't want that. Besides that, it is just how the original message looks like.

Note that the reformatted message view, the default, will be shown with a dark or black background if you select a dark or black theme in the display settings. The reformatted message will in most cases be close to the original message and in any case much safer.

The price of FairEmail is lower than of most similar apps, while offering mostly more features. Given that about only 1/3 of the price remains for me after fees and taxes, which is not even enough to buy a cup of coffee, and that I have put over 4,000 hours into this app, the price is really, really low. For a company an app like this would never be profitable, not even with the usual ads and tracking/analytics.
[Android Apps and Games] mysteryoneal:
Yes, it appears that the button on the right above messages is an "original veiw" toggle since all in app message display formatting options are only applied when I toggle it. I have looked and looked, but I don't see any way of making the reformatted version show by default. It seems to be stuck on original view.
[Android Apps and Games] chantoine:
The price is very low compared to a gas refuel, some food or a phone contract, and it's a one time payment... for an app used on a daily basis !

Can't understand that type of request...
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Did you maybe enable showing original messages always in the privacy settings?
[Android Apps and Games] mysteryoneal:
I'm happy with the free version and can't afford to buy the paid version to say "thanks for building" at this time. I only make what amounts to about 2-5k USD a year on average, yet live in one of the highest cost of living countries in the world. My guess is that we just have different personal levels of value inflation.

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I knew it had to be something simple...I just didn't think to look in Privacy tab for a Display option. I'd checked just about everywhere but privacy before giving up and asking for help. Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Due to some bad ratings (all 1 star, unfortunately) I want to add this this to the Play store description:

"FairEmail is only an email client and does not offer new email addresses."

In the app I want to add this, linking to the FAQ with provider recommendations:

"I need a new email address"

How does this sound? Can this be improved?

Edit: related FAQ:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq112

I guess something like this needs to be added to this FAQ:

"FairEmail is an email client only, so you need to bring your own email address"
[Android Apps and Games] mrrocketdog:
that sounds good marcel. cant really believe people would think otherwise , but i'm not "other people" ; so......:good:
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
"FairEmail handles all your email from all your existing or new email providers in one app *). FairEmail is not an email provider itself.

*) Proprietary mail providers excluded, e.g. Protonmail and Tutanota"
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released version 1.1273

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

Please report any issue you discover, so it can be fixed.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Where would I find this command? ? Didn't help

I think this is a very useful addition ?

Edit : Got it. From 3 dot menu of respective folders
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This is a new low: getting a 2 star rating because I try to help other people by responding to their Play store comments. This is beyond disappointing :(

Edit: Google rejected my complaint about the review. I hope the EU will fine Google to the maximum extend without mercy for these practices.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
Excellent app worth every penny and more. Which is why some of us have purchased its license more than once. Marcel's support alone is priceless.

Google's cut can also be avoided if the app is purchased directly instead of via the playstore.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
All feature requests will need to fulfill these requirement from now on:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-support

Features requested by 1 or 2 persons will not be implemented anymore.
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
For €7,49 I can buy 7,49 times lunch in a local restaurant here in Africa. I can understand why for some people Pro seems very expensive. Google should implement a local pricing system.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Prices can be set for individual countries, but if I set a price of 30 cents (=7.49/25) there will remain about 10 cents for me after fees and taxes, which is about nothing in the EU. Note that I am already giving away about 98% of FairEmail for free, which is IMHO pretty generous.

Purchases and donations are mainly there to create a responsible to keep maintaining and supporting the app. Considering that not many people purchase or donate something, 10 cents would not create such a responsibility.

Given all the negativity that is coming my way about each and everyday day, it is easy to get demotivated and to give up on the other hand.

Your depressed developer.
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
I understand the dilemma, but for many people it's just not a choice. Somebody from e.g. India or Brasil might consider to buy Pro for $1, but will never pay 7.49. While a privacy freak from Europe might even pay double that price, and some did, and still think it's a bargain.

Since obviously ratings affect you more than money, you might feel that 10 cents from an African means more than 2 euro from for example me.

Also, but that is a wild shot in the air, even some bad ratings may be inspired by the price setting. Maybe you'd know if that's the case.

Anyhow, you can add the lively community you have created here (and in other threads) also to your accomplishments. :svetius: Check your thanks meter sometimes!
[Android Apps and Games] ammarr:
FWIW I've bought this app twice already and will continue do so on a yearly basis. There is nothing comparable on any mobile platform, android or iOS. Its the first app where I would happily pay a yearly subscription to keep it going.

My recommendation would be to increase the price to a level that provides sustainable yearly income for the dev. Research has shown that free/low price apps bring out more entitlement than highly priced apps.

This is not easy work and you don't owe us this level of support at the cost of constant stress for a few measly $.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The choice I make is that FairEmail is not being distributed in a number of countries. This is not only about the price, but also about the quality of the reviews.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I don't think earning money and helping people to protect their privacy better go well together.

Besides that, it would be much easier to sell the app to the highest bidder. I get an offer about weekly ...
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
What I meant was, maybe they are related. But I don't know, it might be utter nonsense.
[Android Apps and Games] ammarr:
The issue with your line of thinking is that it assumes that everyone is entitled to receive the app at a price that is comfortable to them. This is not the case for any type of goods. Cars, for instance, have fixed production costs and can't be sold below that, even in Africa.

For all this hand having that people do about app prices, do they stop and think how the dev will pay his bills? Too many independent devs have had to shut down because they cant make enough in this ad economy.

Marcel has fixed development costs and living expenses and it makes no sense for him to provide this sort of app and support for 10c.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
To a certain extend they are related.
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
I hope you don't think Marcel can live from his apps. Far from that, not even for a month, I think. Only the support he has given me the last two days would have costed a 1000 times the app price in the real world.

The only way a dev can live from his apps is by adding ads. Or selling your data to the highest bidder.

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And of course you know that Marcel's costs and expenses do not grow when he sells his app to more people. Marcel supports everybody, not only the ones that purchased Pro, but every single user that has a question or a remark. In that light you might even say that the 10 cents he gets from someone in an underdeveloped country is an extra 10 cents in his account. Maybe that buyer will hesitate less to ask for support, then you have a point, but I doubt that - and even more that that will be questions someone else would not ask.
[Android Apps and Games] andy356:
Ever thought about setting up a Liberapay account, [MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION]? Many developers do so. Team Newpipe has one. Open Collective is another open source option.
[Android Apps and Games] loyl1:
Life is not easy everywhere

You may think that life is easy for most in wealthy countries. You would be wrong. There are many in the United States who struggle to get the needed food for their family. I don't eat at restaurants because I can't afford them, even the cheap ones. I just went to the store and struggled to get only what was necessary, not what I wanted.

So I have a choice too. Spend money on an email client? I chose yes to Fairemail because I find the privacy important. There are many many email clients that are free. If you think Fairemail is too expensive, choose another.

Is it fair that your economy isn't as strong as other countries? I would say no. But I would also say that that life isn't fair. Not even a little bit. But we must make the best of what we have, wherever we are.

Let Marcel set his price - my guess is that his profit per hour of development is so incredibly low that it doesn't improve his quality of life at all.

Your complaints here are only self-serving, they aren't helping Marcel or the user community - but maybe that is your goal? This is not the place to fight for social justice or wage equality.
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
You completely misinterpreted my posts, [MENTION=6720840]loyl1[/MENTION], but never mind.

Thank you for supporting Marcel.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The problem I have with platforms like this is described here accurately:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberapay

Basically, they add nothing but potential trouble.
[Android Apps and Games] andy356:
The payment processor issue? Yeah. It's solved now, though. What about the other option, Open Collective?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I prefer to deal directly with the payment processor because I don't see what these platforms add.
[Android Apps and Games] andy356:
Familiarity, for one. A person already donating on these platforms would feel much less inertia in adding your account to their donee list.
[Android Apps and Games] NothingCanHurtMe:
I think of the $9.95 as more of a donation amount. The Pro features are cool but they're very much of the "extra" variety. They're not necessary at all to use pretty much all of FairEmail's features that actually involve reading, writing and managing your mail.

In other words, it's not like users can even remotely complain that they can't use FairEmail as their daily driver mail app on their Android devices without upgrading to Pro.

Marcel is naturally a very hands-on developer who can't help but jump in and help solve their issue with the app and to incorporate reasonable feature requests of the users. And yet, there is still a small minority of "users" (if you can call them that) who find a way to ***** and complain and leave a poor review.

And even though I'm sure Marcel understands you "can't please everybody," but I think we can all tell these reviews are hurtful to Marcel.

As it stands right now, the users who have paid for Pro have done so because they believe in the app and want to support its development primarily, and I would think the actual features of Pro are a distant second. At least that was the case for me. Indeed, I'm sure many have donated above and beyond that amount to show their support.

With the level of quality of support provided, with the credentials and experience Marcel has as a developer, an IT consultant of his calibre could easily charge $100/hr USD.

I would fear that if a smaller amount of money was charged, eg, a couple dollars, you would get the worst of both worlds. I *don't* think many more users would pay for it than currently are, and those that do would have a sense of entitlement *way* beyond the couple dollars that they spent on the app, thinking, "I paid for this! I deserve to complain and get 24/7 support!"
[Android Apps and Games] La_Globule:
Hello Marcel,

I think I found a bug in using the volume up/down buttons to go to next/previous message.

When pushing briefly a button, FE skips the message it has to display. The header appears shortly and then FE jumps to the +2nd/-2nd message.

Maybe can you reproduce it? Anyway, no hurry to look into it.

Thanks for the app, its quality and your skills. Don't be bothered by simple and short minded people.