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[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Which security layers do you exactly mean?

See the opening post for some information about security.
[Android Apps and Games] Rekesz:
First thing I checked :) Basically, is logging in through this client as secure as if I were logging in through the browser to the website with 2FA?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Using this app is at least as secure as using other e-mail apps, so the questions boils down to if an email client (not only this one) is as secure as logging into a website with 2FA.

Someone with your device in hand could get hold of your email password. However, if you use a lockscreen and keep your device secure (for example not unlock the bootloader or enable adb debugging), this will be quite difficult.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

alpha

version 0.4

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/releases

I have put a lot of work into this, so XDA thanks are appreciated.
[Android Apps and Games] Rekesz:
Well, I needed to unlock the bootloader for custom roms, but I feel like this is a bit off topic. Thanks for the response Marcel, I'll definitely try the app during the weekend!
[Android Apps and Games] :
Are new mail notifications supposed to be working?

I just got latest version from github, but haven't gotten notifications with any version.

I do see the notification bar status showing 0 pending. Emails sync, just don't see when they arrived.
[Android Apps and Games] BunnyWarrior:
First things first: thank you very much for this app and your hard work.

Sadly I cannot get Safe Mail to work. Using an mailbox.org account all I get is the following warning/error in the notification bar with a permanent "!" if I want to setup a reading only account:

"Attempt to invoke virtual method "long java.util.Date.getTime()" on a nu.."

I cannot even read the whole message.

If I try to setup an SMTP acc all I get is: "535 5.7.8 Error : authentication failed UGFzc3dvcmQ6".

I would like to send you the debug mail but without a working sender it is a hard thing to do.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
New email notifications is on the to do list.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The notification indicates a bug. I will need a logcat to see what is going on. Are you using the latest version?

Authentication failed: double check your password.
[Android Apps and Games] BunnyWarrior:
Currently I am using 0.3 but I had those bugs since 0.1. Will try 0.4 and come back. I did double check and even copied the login data to the webmail Login Interface which worked without any problems. Do you want the content of the debug mail or a system logcat trying to setup the accounts?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Version 0.4 has a lot of bug fixes and changes. I won't look into problems of previous versions at the stage of rapid development because it will mostly be a waste of time.

The authentication error is of your provider. If you can't get it to work with version 0.4, send me a log file and I will take a look. There is always a chance it is caused by a bug in the app.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Not in the change log, but version 0.4 will attempt to create a draft email containing a crash log if the app crashes. If a crash happened, please check for it and send it to me, so it can be fixed.
[Android Apps and Games] BunnyWarrior:
The problems persist in 0.4. I did send you the content of the debug mail for now (o*****.a*******@mailbox.org). If this does not help I will try and catch a different log tomorrow.
[Android Apps and Games] tiktok1:
Firstly, looking forward to moving on from k9mail and always apreciate and use paid versions of your main apps, great privacy dev!

Having a sync issue with gmail, seems to be stuck without having fully synced recent emails. ver. 4

Log email sent and here is screenshot.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This problem will be fixed in the next release.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This will work properly in the next release.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Signing is an open issue: https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/issues/76

I will look into encryption later.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
What is exactly wrong with readability?

Notification lights will not be support, see here for details: https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/issues/67

In short: less and less devices have a notification light and you next device will likely not have this anymore.

Notification sounds can be set with Android, so there is no point in adding this to the app as well.

Swipe between messages can be requested here: https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/issues

Feature requests done here might be implemented, but might also get lost because I don't go browsing through this thread each time.

The mail header, assuming you mean the address, subject, etc, is fixed at the top and does not disappear when scrolling, so can you explain in more detail what you mean?
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
These should work automatically on ROM.

If your phone has led than Notification should have trigger led light automatically, so this is not a game changer.

Notification tone can be changed in ROM settings page, too.

So it can be changed.

Some ROM support font choosers, so again another issue with ROM. Why not complain to whichever ROM you use, whether it be official phone OS or custom ROM.

Not sure about the other two,

What do you mean wipe?
[Android Apps and Games] OSheden:
Just a typo: "Swipe between opened mail"
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Fine.

Opened an issue to keep it on radar
[Android Apps and Games] wirdSchoon:
nothing is really bad, but my screen is small and my eyes are not the best anymore.

It's a pity, I feel the notification LED as very pleasant and would make sure that a new phone for me again offers this function.

exactly that - it would be nice if I scrolling a mail the upper area with the subject, address etc. pushed out, so that the area for reading is automatically enlarged. The whole thing back again, if I scroll back to the beginning of the mail. That would be really smart.

oh yes, I mean swipe :o

sorry about the bad english and thanks alot for your time
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
FairEmail follows the Google material design standard for text appearance (and size).

Android has an option to set text larger. You might want to consider to use this.

I guess you didn't discover "distraction free reading" yet. Tap on action button at the bottom right and the header, etc will be gone.
[Android Apps and Games] wirdSchoon:
Possibly an error in the custom ROM, but with LOS 14.1 the LED does not work although the light is set in the settings.
[Android Apps and Games] chantoine:
Sorry, but I'm on lineage os 14.1 and my led works when I have a new mail in FairEmail
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
It is too much work to make encryption work properly and there are just a few people actually using this, so encryption support will be dropped from the next release.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

beta

version 0.37

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/releases

The good news is that setting up accounts and identities has been simplified and the bad news is that encrypting/decrypting messages has been removed.

If you find a problem, please let me know and I will look into it.
[Android Apps and Games] geronimoge:
Removing encrypting/decrypting is very sad for me. It would have been great having an alternative to K9. Without it I have no use for FairEmail anymore.

It also would have been a perfect fit to your slogan 'privacy friendly'.

Are there really only few people needing this?

Anyway: good luck with the app!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am sorry to see you go, but it is what it is. Good luck.
[Android Apps and Games] dorqus:
So I'm trying to sync roughly 25 folders from a Gmail account, but seems that only the first 12 or so are actually getting synced. Will send a log.

The folder list shows 0 messages even though I know I have current emails in them. Thanks.

I'm running the latest 0.37.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Checking the log file it seems the server is closing the connection. Why isn't clear, but there could be a limit on the number of concurrent open (synchronizing) folders. A folder needs to be open to get notifications (message added, read, deleted, etc). Try to decrease the number of synchronizing folders to 10 or so. You can long press on the other folders to synchronize on demand.
[Android Apps and Games] chantoine:
You are right.

In beta stage, you have to concentrate on the main usages.

Encrypting is not at all widespread.
[Android Apps and Games] dorqus:
OK this is not ideal for me unfortunately. I get a lot of email and filter it into folders to make it more manageable.

By the way thank you for fixing the "reply all" for multiple To: addresses in version 0.37 - confirmed this works as expected now!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Did you already confirm the number of folders is the problem?

Even your own addresses are removed from the list (based on the identities you have configured).
[Android Apps and Games] dorqus:
No I'm just speculating on the number of folders being the issue. When syncing an account with no folders, it's not an issue. But my main account has about 115 folders, most of which will NOT sync even when I long press on them in the folder list, regardless of number of days to sync, if they are in the unified Inbox, etc.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
On second thoughts, current behavior with deleted draft being shown in conversations, so that one can quickly revert and edit, instead of searching in trash
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
When discrading drafts, asking would not hurt - add an extra choice to the confirmation question "Delete permanently".

But, since people do not like confirmations then maybe: add a global option to permanently delete instead of trash drafts
[Android Apps and Games] jaholm:
"If the "Reply-To" field exists, then the reply should go to the addresses indicated in that field and not to the address(es) indicated in the "From" field."

Agree.

My interpretation is, this applies to a simple reply. But reply to all is another thing: reply to "Reply-To" address and to the sender's "From". I don't think that's contradictory to rf822. There is nothing said about reply to all.

I would be nice if FE will include the sender's email in addition to "Reply-To" using reply to all like in K9.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This is not a good idea, assuming the sender did include a reply-to address for a good reason. The 'from' address might not even exists.

In exceptional cases you can always manually copy addresses.
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
Personally, I would block a contact that uses the from address when replying instead of the reply-to address I provided.
[Android Apps and Games] jaholm:
My Voting with default "permanently delete"

---------- Post added at 14:06 ---------- Previous post was at 13:58 ----------

Agree, but the discussion was about mailing lists not about mails comming directly from persons.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
From the perspective of FairEmail there is no difference.
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Agree

---------- Post added at 10:40 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:35 AM ----------

My Vote:

Drafts - always permanently delete on discard.

If trash has to stay for some reason, then add global option to permanently delete.

Thanks :)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
One star Play store rating:

"Searching seems to be a premium feature. Free version is thereby basically unusable."

Should searching on device and/or searching on server be a free feature?
[Android Apps and Games] gabe1977:
Btw, is there (or will be there) any possibility to reply directly from the notification? Sometimes an email is short enough to answer from the notification without opening the whole app. Like in messages app

Enviado desde mi Mi A2 mediante Tapatalk
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
It would be easy to add and in fact I already tried it a while ago, but I don't see an easy way to select reply directly from the notification or by using the compose screen.

Also, this would be useful for short messages only. Meaning the you almost always want to open the message to reply on to read it fully first, making this potential feature a lot less useful.

Note that a notification can have at most three actions of one word only.
[Android Apps and Games] styr:
Depends where do you want to draw the line. Soon they might do that for all the pro features, then what?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Do something else, I guess.

On a serious note: maybe search on device should be a free feature.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Oh I thought search on device was free and on server pro. I was mistaken.

Anyway, search on device should be free given that people usually have limited content on devices (unlike me). So in short, yes, it should be free with the caveat that do so if there are enough people (your discretion) asking for it, else the differential with pro will erode and less people inclined to go pro.

Make haste slowly
[Android Apps and Games] styr:
I'm not the best demographic, since i always want to support the development of apps i use, especially great ones as FairEmail. Besides that i haven't use search mails on device except maybe a couple of times in the past 3-4 years.

Do a poll maybe about the search.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
I don't think so.

But, it would be a good idea for all premium features to be freely available during a 1-2 week period.
[Android Apps and Games] dnsroot:
I remember that there was a standard signature, which I probably did overwrite with something else. Now I would like to recreate / reuse the standard signature. How would I do that? I found it nowhere in the settings. Thanks!
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Sorry for not knowing, but it's not uncommon to have personalized signatures a Pro feature and for free one have a short one with FairEmail mentioned specifically. That might not be bad thing to do.

Local search being free is ok, but I'm fine with encouraging folks to step up to Pro as well.
[Android Apps and Games] aku6:
Saving sent emails to folder INBOX? [Newbie question/request]

Hello,

first of all: congratulations, FairEmail is really a great app. I got it recommended and it is about to replace my long used previous mail app.

There is one thing I am wondering as a newbie to FairEmail:

Since ever I always stored my sent messages directly in the INBOX. Currently, FairEmail does not allow to set the Sent folder in the Account Settings directly to the INBOX.

Is there a way to do this (which I overlooked)? Is there a reason for the existing behavior beside that it might be rather unusual? Is it possible to implement it?

Thanks in advance for any comments or information...

:)
[Android Apps and Games] andy356:
The review sounds like a whine, as people use different features with different frequencies, but this discussion does raise a good question: What constitutes 'basic features' of an email app?

I always thought that being unable to bulk delete emails in the Gmail app constituted as lack of a basic feature.

My initial thoughts are that for a lot of the smartphone using world, the android app has replaced the PC browser as the primary way of handling emails. As a consequence, anything that the user could do through the browser that is unavailable in app would seem like a lack of a basic feature. Case in point: the Gmail bulk delete issue I mentioned.

This does not have to include provider exclusive features (Gmail's smart reply, anyone?) but it should ideally include features that are common to most providers.

Consequently, I think search (on device AND server) is something that should not be pro.

On the other hand, granular notification settings, configurable notification actions, the inbox widget, are all features FairEmail offers that is above and beyond what is required of a fully functioning email app. So they definitely deserve to be pro features.

Thoughts?
[Android Apps and Games] MaxRabbit:
I am currently trying out the F-Droid version and enjoying it.

I wondered if the Google Play version uses GCM so that the persistent notification is not required?

I think this post says it is not.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The standard signature was removed from FairEmail.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can just add the sent folder to the unified inbox (long press it in the folder list). This way the sent messages will be marked with an icon as well.

Storing sent messages in the inbox is not a good idea because it won't be possible anymore to reliably distinguish a received and sent message anymore, which is needed for a number of features.

If you really want to move messages from the sent folder to the inbox, you can create a rule for this.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Besides that FairEmail is designed to not rely on third party services: who should send the GCM messages? The provider? A server fetching and storing all your messages?
[Android Apps and Games] dorqus:
I don't think so. Otherwise you will end up having no premium features left if you make all of them free!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just upgraded the latest version to a stable version.
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Excellent - thank you.

Aside - I may have missed it but OpenPGP being a Pro feature isn't mentioned in the Readme or the FAQ.

Did you give any thought to making editable signatures a Pro feature?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Encryption is a free feature.
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Ah - somehow I must have forgotten that lol.

The latest version is settling nicely and FE is pretty awesome - does anyone have any suggestions how to get additional exposure for FE - are there (good) review sites for example that might help? zdnet or techadvisor.co.uk or digitaltrends or pcmag.com perhaps ?
[Android Apps and Games] MaxRabbit:
Hi, still getting used to FairEmail and appreciate how responsive you are in this thread.

Is there any way to see where I moved an email to? In my case, I opened an email and pressed the move email icon, intending to move it to a certain folder, but when I was scrolling through my folders I accentally tapped one at random and the email got filed there instead. I didn't get any toast that told me where it went or gave me the option to Undo, and the move operation doesn't show up in the logs.

Is there any way to figure out to which folder I moved the email?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
By default you'll be asked to confirm moving messages, but it seems to me you disabled this.

I will add a log entry in the next version.
[Android Apps and Games] MaxRabbit:
Thanks! I think if it is possible, a toast with a "Message moved to X" with an Undo operation would be even better. However, I understand that would take more development work.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The development work is not the issue. There is already a confirmation, also because you'll have to select a folder, and besides that a move is not a critical operation.

Swipe moves have an undo because these are easily done accidentally.

Note that undoing a batch move possibly to different folders of different accounts is complicated.
[Android Apps and Games] TiTiB:
I like where you're going with this. The only place I can think of is Slant.co (haven't looked there yet to see if FE is mentioned). I recently happened upon another app I use that was in a comparison on Slant, and joined just so I could correct some misinformation. I'm going there now to have a look.
[Android Apps and Games] styr:
I`m having some issues with the manual sync of a folder/account. If the "Synchronize (receive messages)" checkbox is unchecked in the account setup i can`t find the folders of the account anywhere so i can manually sync them.

If the account is set to Synchronize and i uncheck sync for one folder when i access that folder it`s automatically sync-ed without me having to pull-down.

Is there a way to keep the folder accessible but not sync-ed until i manually pull-down?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Just disable sync in the receive settings.

Alternatively, keep sync for the account enabled and disable sync for one or more or all folders of the account.
[Android Apps and Games] styr:
Yup. That's what i did, but when i enter the folder it downloads new messages without me doing anything.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You'll have to disable 'browse' too to prevent this.
[Android Apps and Games] styr:
Yup, that fixed things, thanks.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I will update the FAQ with this.
[Android Apps and Games] tussle-russle:
I have two issues:

1. On the desktop, I accidently moved a message from inbox to trash, but did it reverse immediately. Now, in Fairmail i have this "restored" message twice in my inbox. (At my desktop and in the webmailer it appears just once as it should be).

2. I created a subfolder within my inbox and moved 7 mails from the inbox to this subfolder. On the desktop and the webmailer I can see all those 7 messages. In Fairmail i just see 5 of 7. The two missing message are even newer. Cause first I checked the sync-period.

Any ideas what could went wrong?

Thanks!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Regarding the duplicate message: enable debug mode in the miscellaneous settings and check if the message ID is the same. If it isn't the same message ID, which it likely isn't, this problem is caused by the provider (which one?). The message ID of the same message should always be the same.

Regarding the 5/7 messages: maybe some messages are grouped into a conversation? Do you have always sync enabled? (I am trying to determine if the messages were pushed or synchronized)
[Android Apps and Games] tussle-russle:
Thanks for quick answer!

You were right, different message ID's. Provider = Posteo. So, I'll keep an eye it this kind of behavior occours again.

The missing two messages aren't grouped into a conversation as I never use conversation mode. (I deactivated this mode on setting up Fairmail right away.) I have always sync enabled (which works fine).
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
I'm on version 1.661. I don't use conversation mode, but when I'm in the unified inbox the title now displays "Conversations" instead of Unified Inbox. Is that by design?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
FairEmail synchronizes all young messages (sync days for setting), so try to synchronize the folder by pulling the message list down. Note that FairEmail looks at the 'received' header and not at the 'send' header which might not be present and can be forged.

Alternatively, enable 'browse on server' in the account settings and FairEmail will download messages on scrolling down, independent of the age of the messages.

If you think FairEmail is skipping messages, which is not very likely, but you'll never know, please synchronize the folder and immediately send me the debug info by long pressing 'Support' in the main navigation menu. Since synchronization causes a lot of logging and log files are recycled fast, timing is important here.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I will see if I can change this into messages in non conversation mode.
[Android Apps and Games] tussle-russle:
Just discovered: When I mark one of those duplicate messages as unread, Fairmail did it with both of them. Same behavior with mark as read and when I move one of them to another folder.

I can only see the message once now in the new folder and only once as well when i move it back to inbox.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Did you mark the conversation or the message read?

Are the messages stored in the same folder?

Do I understand correctly that if you move one of the messages the other is being moved too?

Note that some providers 'echo' all messages in an 'all messages' folder too, like for example Gmail.