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[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released version 1.1029 1.1030 1.1031 1.1032

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

This version was released to fix a crash on sending messages.

Please report any issue you discover, so it can be fixed.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
True, but multistep and complicated.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Multistep - Yes, complicated - No.
[Android Apps and Games] sarkast:
Just wanted to feedback this:

I have never worked as effectively with email on mobile as with FairEmail. Everything just flows naturally when processing messages.

I especially notice this when on a plane or otherwise working with no or bad Internet connection. I just deal with my messages and once I have a connection again I can trust that everything I did will be executed.

Thanks for this great app!
[Android Apps and Games] Shakidor:
I'll say it again

: Those who make unfair/unreasonable complaints don't deserve to be listened to. You already do them a favour by always replying promptly with advice or to request further details (of course, they never get back, because they don't really have anything to say). Now do yourself a favour by stepping back a bit as you suggest.

Everyone on here knows that you won't leave us stuck with a bug or other problem, and that existing features are already almost too numerous to memorize.

Again, great app.

Have a good evening.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am afraid it will be a bigger step back. The average Play store rating has been going down only lately, which is not good enough for me to continue putting a significant effort into this project. Note that the vast majority of the people is installing FairEmail via the Play store.

I can be quite persistent, which applies to letting things go too.

The latest version was released in the Play store and it will be bug fixing only from now on. Just like NetGuard and XPrivacyLua. I have updated the opening post to reflect this.

I am thinking about reducing support as well because that doesn't seem to help to improve things anyway.

People are making it hard for indie developers, which is why everybody ends up with software from big companies where you are literally a number.

If this sounded as a kind of good bye: it is.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
For your understanding, some recent reviews:

2 stars: Average to poor relative to other email apps

1 star: middle finger icon, **** symbol (reported to Google, but I know they won't do anything)

2 stars: Fugly

1 star: no exchange (is clearly mentioned in the description)

1 star: authentication failed (there is a help text for this)

Also:

Battery drain, no spam filter, not free, expensive, blocked my account, no ActiveSync (is patented), not interesting, I need to enter my email address, crashed my IMAP server and many more.

Summarized: not worth my time.
[Android Apps and Games] Shakidor:
Whether or not it's worth your time depends on what your initial objective was.

If you hoped to attain excellence, that has been achieved.

If you hoped to receive good reviews from everyone, that was an unrealistic aspiration, given how entitled, rude and stupid a lot of people are.

If, having taken things this far, you suddenly drop them in a flourish of drama, I don't know how good an idea that would be.

In any event, it's perhaps time to reassess your aims, and to review who and what you are doing this for.
[Android Apps and Games] ammarr:
IMO this is spot on.

There is the old story of the man, his son, and their donkey that may be relevant here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_miller,_his_son_and_the_donkey

If you wanted to create an excellent, privacy respecting email app, you've done that (and much much more). If you wanted an app that was rated 5.0 by anyone that used it, I think that will be completely impossible. According to the fable above, everyone will find some reason to complain about it.

And the sad thing is, the negative reviewers are the ones who eventually win!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I hoped for less negativity, but given my experiences with XPrivacy and NetGuard I should have know better.

Anyway, I have been open and transparent about how I look at things like always, so you know what you can expect.

FairEmail won't go away, but there won't be new features anymore, just like NetGuard and XPrivacyLua.
[Android Apps and Games] Shakidor:
Thanks for everything you've done so far.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
[MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION] You say

"If this sounded as a kind of good bye: it is" .

Sad.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Really upset to hear that. Seems the naysayers and the detractors and the competition has won. They achieved what they wanted to achieve- have Marcel go home! So that their crappy apps can sell!

Wish you well Marcel ! Hope u will be around for those of us who respect you and love your app!
[Android Apps and Games] wimstefan:
I'm very sad to read this [emoji15]

Stupidity (of ignorant users) has won again [emoji24]

Another brillant developer lost [emoji3525]

Thank you so much for the great work you've done Marcel [emoji1374]
[Android Apps and Games] mrrocketdog:
well marcel , since the negative ratings take such a toll on you ( & not that they wouldnt me) what about just removing it from all playstores altogether.? just stick with github and word of mouth.

from the monetary breakdown you posted some time ago of playstore sales , is it really worth it? "negative ratings toll on marcel" vs. "playstore profit". is it balanced? doesnt sound like it from your postings. js.

p.s. as they say , "free advice is worth what you pay for it".

wishing you all the best in your future endeavors.

dave
[Android Apps and Games] Surfinette:
What is the purpose of comments?

To help other users decide whether they should download your app to give it a try.

So, if a potential future user is reading through comments stating stupid things such as "they are asking for my email" then he/she should understand these comments are irrelevant, or if he/she dosn't understand this, then it means he/she is as stupid as the people who wrote these idiotic comments and he/she doesn't deserve to use this app. The readers who read the bad irrelevant comments will also read the meaningful positive comments, which they are plenty and well argumented.

Therefore you shouldn't worry because when reading through comments both bad and positive (the later still being the majority) there can't be any doubt about the strong quality of FE, all the more so that you demonstrate, through your own comments, your commitment to help. This should reassure the people who are serious about looking for a new email client.

Alas, there are plenty of stupid people in this world. You can't do anything about it. No développer can, and no app remains 5-star for long. You just have to learn to live with this reality.

You should only worry if and when bad comments are justified, i.e. if they reflect a true issue with FE, which is not at all the case.

Cheer up!
[Android Apps and Games] scanno:
Marcel,

Sad to hear that you are freezing development on this project. Years ago I purchased Aquamail when it was developed by just one man. Once taken over by a larger company, development of features stopped. Then I found this project. Open sourced, developed by a dedicated developer (and better yet also from NL). Something worth a try and pay for.

There are not many mail clients out there that have the functionality this client has. Looking at the time you spend on it, I can imagine you feel bad when those morons write unfunded reviews.

Take a step back. If you have a good idea, implement it. Be less active on XDA. It will be less intensive.

It would be really sad if such a good piece of software would just enter the maintenance stage...

Verstuurd vanaf mijn Mi 9T Pro met Tapatalk
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Story of my life! Used Aquamail for many years till [MENTION=1315499]Kostya[/MENTION] was developing the app. Then it was sold about a couple of years ago and no new features since then. Bugs are also not addressed.I too discovered FairEmail and Marcel. I am truly distraught at the possibility of having to look for another email app incase Marcel walks away.
[Android Apps and Games] scanno:
Yeah. Only switched one week ago.

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[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Let me be clear that FairEmail will never be sold and will kept being maintained and supported.

I have a long list of requested features, most of them very specific and asked by one person only. These features will not be implemented.

There are also features that will make things easier for you, but are hard to implement or to maintain, like batch forwarding of raw messages. These features won't be implemented either. FairEmail is like most apps a tool, which means you have to work yourself too sometimes.

However, small improvements and privacy related feature requests will still be considered. An example of this is reducing white space in plain text messages, which was done in the latest release.

For my health and happiness my attitude towards this project needs to change. This doesn't mean I will run away. It will mostly mean that I will spend less time on this project.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
God bless you Marcel. This is the best email app I have ever used. Thank you!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
To show that the work goes on, this adds a new privacy related setting:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/commit/26eee7fd76824b8d38ebfb7db0336a3739462427
[Android Apps and Games] okow3:
bug? in multi-select

Hello Marcel,

i use your program a few months now and like it very much.

Of course i 'bought' the pro nearly immediately ;)

But one behavior (or bug maybe?) annoys me since the first days...

I often mark multiple messages in the list, mostly for deleting them afterwards.

- long press of first message --> marked

- normal press of next message --> marked also

- and so on

This is expected and normal behavior.

But sometimes (often...) fairemail opens a message after pressing it instead of marking it.

So i have to close it, am thrown back to the list and have to start again with marking from the beginning.

Very annoying if one selected several dozens of messages before...

Would be great if you could change this.

In my opinion the behavior should be locked to "mark additional messages" once the first got marked.

And while you touch this - a "delete" icon directly in the list-view instead of the "..."-menu (or additionally) would also save time ;)

Let me know how you think about it....

If you need more information please let me know.

Regards

Olaf
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
If you told me earlier, it would have been fixed earlier ...

Anyway:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/commit/6b09b5e5f72aa518d1e069354d50170c973c5d22
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
If you had read this from the beginning, okow3, you would know that you don't have to click on each mail individually to mark several mails. Mark the first mail, don't lift your finger and wipe until the last mail. If you lift your finger only then, all mails in between are marked. ;)
[Android Apps and Games] okow3:
wow!!

So now i just have to wait until f-droid catches the update... ;)

[MENTION=7350063]fraschi51[/MENTION]

I noticed this while reading thru the posts here.

But in my case (and i think also others) this does not help since the messages i try to mark are not adjacent to each other but scattered around in the list...
[Android Apps and Games] Surfinette:
[MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION]

I just rated you 5-star on my secondary Gmail account (which I normally use only for tests, games, etc).

So I in total, you've got 10 stars from me :)
[Android Apps and Games] scanno:
Good idea. I usually do not leave feedback on the playstore, but I did now

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[Android Apps and Games] La_Globule:
Excellent idea. I did the same with another professional account.

Thanks Marcel for your huge involvment and don't let these idiots ruin you.

They are a minority, so they can neither win, neither gain the upper hand on you.

You are stronger and the play store ratings should be the slightest of your concerns.

Keep on the good work!
[Android Apps and Games] La_Globule:
BTW, here are the ratings from France, not so bad indeed.View attachment 4969673
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
I too used Aquamail when Kostya was its sole developer. Then he sold it (for health and different reasons) and it went downhill.

FairEmail is quite mature already (thank you Marcel) and I believe Marcel when he says he will never sell it. So its users are really in good shape even without further development.

Marcel, the suggestion to take FairEmail off the playstore (you're already doing that for some countries) and keeping it only on github is not a bad idea. It will remove a constant source of irritation and still keep the app available to those who want it. But only Marcel can decide whether the loss of potential future playstore sales and users exposure is worth the peace of mind and tranquility such a decision will provide. It would for me but I'm not Marcel.
[Android Apps and Games] scanno:
Taking it off the playstore will be a disaster for me. I use it also on a chromebook. Removing it will force me to go back to Aquamail. Since you cannot sideload on a chromebook yet.

And what happens to the pro license bought in the play store?

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[Android Apps and Games] Shakidor:
Yes, fresh air and perspective!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
FairEmail will keep being available in the Play store. Removing it wouldn't be fair to the people purchased the pro features to support the project.
[Android Apps and Games] Hexxer:
Buy that great software 2 month ago and no you are crying. As a developer i will never trust any of the software of you.

Cant belive that. One-Man shows are a mess. I like this software, rated it positive and you go ahead like a lilttle boy? By and thanks for nothing.

I realy cant understand this deccicion.
[Android Apps and Games] HerrT:
While I don't like his decision either, but what important functionality is missing? Marcel stated that he will still fix issues and maybe add some minor requirements... that's already more than most of the other Devs will do for you!
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Requesting you for a favor

We are trying to promote FairEmail to appear on the ads space of Android Enthusiasts Stack Exchange, where it needs to get 6 votes to be selected.

https://android.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2605/131553

[MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION] had shared the banner created by you and as pointed out, it is not as per specs, which are

1. The image that you create must be 300 x 250 pixels, or double that if high DPI.

2. Must be GIF or PNG

3. Absolute limit on file size of 150 KB

4. If the background of the image is white or partially white, there must be a 1px border (2px if high DPI) surrounding it.

Can you please help by sharing a banner that meets the specifications? ( I don't know how to do this and am not going to risk ruining it by attempting)

Thanks for your time and effort in advance
[Android Apps and Games] louis0815:
And that entitles you to what exactly (apart from using all existing features of the software you bought)?

Comments like these lead to the dev reactions we just see: People thinking they buy the whole developer's future by paying a tiny little bit for the time already spent on the project.

If you knew that it is a mess, why did you buy? I don't understand your decision either ;)

BTW: Dropping development of existing applications does happen everywhere, regardless the size of the development team behind....
[Android Apps and Games] flotux:
[MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION]:

Please reconsider your decision. Ignore these pointless negative reviews. There are so many enthusiastic users of your great software who appreciate your work. This is what you should be looking at and not the stupid comments!

Be proud of what you have created. I would be happy if it would continue.
[Android Apps and Games] Hexxer:
I dont miss anything !!!

In my understandig the software will do not get further support and it ends.

If not? SORRYY !!!! Thats my and my english problem. I dont need anything new. If the app is in development as example if something changes in IMAP, good !

The IMAP sync could be faster (as in K9) but im not a insider in protocols....and english ^^
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
May I point out that payment is for the work done... Not a guarantee or pre-pay for future

And you paid out of your free will
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Also, I believe, all commonly used features and a lot more have already been Incorporated in the app. The detractors should step back and give credit where due and appreciate what they have for the equivalent of the price of a cup of coffee or half a glass of wine- whichever u prefer! In short Shut Up!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Let me say again that FairEmail will be maintained and supported.

Can somebody please say that here too:

https://stadt-bremerhaven.de/android-fairemail-vor-dem-aus/#comments

for a right perspective.

I have already said that FairEmail will be improved and that privacy related features will be added, so the general message in the article is incorrect.

To be honest, such articles do not help the cause, on the contrary.
[Android Apps and Games] BeckPC:
Before I get jumped on. I searched. There are only 3 messages with 'disable swipe' in them. None tell me how to actually do it. I've always hated swiping left/right within messages, contacts, and phone call history. They only create problems (like calling someone in the middle of the night) when you're only trying to review messages. Swiping to go to next email is completely understandable and fine. But within the email list, that needs to be turned off! I don't want to delete. I should long press to do those things so its not done by accident.

I like this app and I even paid for it. I've done constant updates on a daily basis. My only problem with this app is I cannot disable the swipe. I've set it to 'blank' but I've lost several email which I've not been able to find. I'll pick up the phone and accidentally move or delete an email. It's lost in the ozone. I honestly hate that. I want to turn off that feature completely. Since I'm on the road a lot, I can't be searching for a lost email. If I'm quick enough, I can hit the undo button, but most of the time I don't even see that since its only there for about two seconds.

If I can't find a way to disable the swipe, I'll go back to K9 mail. I never lost an email with that app.

UPDATE: I just noticed the recent negative reviews from others. Jeez people ... get over it! If you don't like it, find another email app. It's not like this is the only one out there. Even if you paid for it and never see the improvement you want, just get over it. Be happy that someone is out there developing apps for your use and pleasure. If you can do better, then go for it! If not, sit back and SHUT UP! I for one appreciate all that the developer has done. It's a great email app and it's much better than the Gmail app (which I never liked). Comments degrading his hard work will only lead to the possibility of them dropping the project. Yes ... you read that right. It's a PROJECT! It's nothing you paid hundreds of dollars for. He doesn't have to write a program. He's doing this for his own enjoyment and to make a little money on the side. And if he gets pissed off and stops, that's his decision. So ... let's not push him toward giving up something he obviously enjoys doing.

If for one appreciates the work he's put into this. I'm sure he has a life, a family, and other things he could be doing instead. Besides, even the authentic Android developer screws things up. Why don't you complain about that. It affect many more people than the few that loiter here at XDA!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Please go to the setup, step 1, tap Manage, tap account and unselect the swipe right/left folder.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This is going well :(

People are now rating 1 star because of the article :(

Please respond to the article.

My comments seem to be removed/not being approved.
[Android Apps and Games] heisert:
He updated the article
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
It seems that I am better at development than at PR.

Maybe I need a PR manager.
[Android Apps and Games] flotux:
There is now some kind of correction/update in the original post:

https://stadt-bremerhaven.de/android-fairemail-vor-dem-aus

So hopefully that will calm the people. ;)
[Android Apps and Games] Primokorn:
Since the ratio is not the same I need [MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION]'s instructions to know what he wants to show in the banner.

What do you mean by high DPI? The resolution (ppi)?

I no longer have the raw file btw so I don't know what the font is for example...
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Is this usable [MENTION=4958579]Primokorn[/MENTION] ?

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/images/banner.xcf
[Android Apps and Games] louis0815:
OK, you just got me.

Some days ago I started thinking about whether FairEmail should replace good ol' R2mail2 which seems to be pretty much dead in development but still has all I need (IMAP, S/MIME, multiple accounts and identities in consolidated folders) - I don't have a real need to replace the old (paid) app with a new (paid) one, but after reading today's posts I think I should change my Android mail client

:)
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Thanks. I honestly don't know the meaning of DPI . I just shared the instructions
[Android Apps and Games] louis0815:
see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dots_per_inch
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
I can't see what's in that file but my thought is that anything that meets the specs and conveys the essence (see Net guard as example) is fine. Somebody who taps that banner will land up in Github app page

If this is agreeable to you, it may give [MENTION=4958579]Primokorn[/MENTION] greater flexibility to design something that is appealing without necessarily being same /similar to app banner
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I trust [MENTION=4958579]Primokorn[/MENTION] 's creativity completely!
[Android Apps and Games] Primokorn:
No I was talking about the PSD (Photoshop format) file where I had all layers.

I can still change the PNG picture but tell me what you want. I should have time to work on it this weekend.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I will be hard to fit the image and texts into a smaller space and the problem is they belong to each other.

Let me give this some thought and suggestions are welcome of course.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released version 1.1033

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

Please report any issue you discover, so it can be fixed.
[Android Apps and Games] Primokorn:
[MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION] a possibility for the banner
[Android Apps and Games] La_Globule:
Nice. A suggestion : the text below the image should be in white to be more visible.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Given the limited space: :)

Is it possible to add "stop" and "crying" left and right at the height of the hands?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I received this response from the Google Oauth team:

My response:
[Android Apps and Games] Primokorn:
Of course.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I think this is really great!

Can you please make the larger variant look similar?
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Don't really know what to conclude
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
They are now working from home:laugh:
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
They will, if they are smart ...

We have a serious problem though, maybe even more serious than you might think:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Scary!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
It will be scary only if we don't do the right things, which is basically what the article is about. The big question is if we are doing the right things at the right time. I hope we do, but I am afraid we don't.