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[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Version 1.1729 is available on GitHub now and via the Play store test program after Google's approval.

Download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

This is a release candidate for the next public Play store version.
[Android Apps and Games] jmh2002:
Did I miss something or has the 'refresh/check for updates' button been removed from the About page in a recent update?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
If you want to manually check for updates, you can long press 'About' in the navigation menu.

The refresh button was indeed removed from the 'About' screen because it merely pointed to the releases on GitHub without adding much else.
[Android Apps and Games] jmh2002:
Ok got it, thanks (y)
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
Good idea!

Then I also have a few feature requests: can you let the app forward the content of all mails to my twitter account and also store the raw messages on your own server to analyse performance and reliability? And I would like a New Mail notification inside my WhatsApp too.
[Android Apps and Games] topcaser:
If I long press about in navigation menu, nothing happens :-(
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Do you have the GitHub version installed? This won't work for the Play store version.
[Android Apps and Games] topcaser:
Ah, OK
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Looking at the Play store reviews of the last days it is hard to find motivation to continue implementing things on the still very long to do list. Maybe it is just good enough as it is.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Two things Marcel

1. Do what makes you happy and never compromise on that. You have the best email app on the planet and you should derive satisfaction from that.

2. Let the idiots on the play store be just that - IDIOTS!!!
[Android Apps and Games] jmh2002:
Marcel you really need to try and focus on the positive instead of the negative.

You won't be able to please everyone and there will always be some haters for no good reason too.

Despite some negative reviews by far the overwhelming amount of reviews are positive, with 4 and 5 star ratings.

I think you will be more fulfilled if you can try to accept that most people are unbelievably happy with FairEmail, with your work and attention, and with your support :)

Thank you for all that you do for us and the android community (y) :love: (y)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Imagine that you are working on a hard to implement feature and that you in the meantime receive a series of unfair complaints. How would you feel? It is easy to say to just ignore, but I am not a robot.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The app is worthless.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Of course, for someone who doesn't want to learn about the background and benefits, it's all worthless. We can be glad that he/she no longer uses FE. And it's a pity that we, as a knowledgeable user community, can't respond to such stupid remarks ....
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Very well said!!👍
[Android Apps and Games] Didgeridoohan:
So sorry about all that... It's hard to see people complaining when you've put so much work into something. And no, it's not easy to ignore.

I just wanted to chime in and say that I absolutely love FairEmail. Been using it for a long time now and was so happy when I found it after trying and ditching so many others...

*chef's kiss*
[Android Apps and Games] sbellon:
Hi Marcel,

I've said it a few times in the past: You cannot please everybody. It looks like you cannot accept this. I'll try another way with a different example.

According to your expectation, everyone should be able to see that FairEmail is the best email program and everyone should love it.

If you extrapolate that to other areas ... if the world would work like this, then there would only be a need for exactly one car. Because that's the perfect car, everyone would love it without any complaints, there would be no need for another car.

There would only be a need for the one single perfect computer hardware, because everyone would love it, nobody would ask for another brand.

Only one single operating system would be required, because it is just perfect. No need for choice.

And so on...

I hope you can see that this is not how the world works - and to be honest - this is good.

And as well as there is choice and different opinions about cars, computer hardware, operating systems, etc. there is also different opinions about email applications. And that's valid and a fair.

The only thing that remains - and where I agree with your disappointment - is the tone in which some of the reviews are made. But then, again, look at the daily news ... there are "weird" people everywhere, you cannot avoid them. The world is just like this.

Please, if you want to see the appreciation for your work, take a look at the ratings of your applications in COMPARISON with other applications. Then you'll see, how good your work is and also how appreciated it is, regardless of a finite number of stupid negative reviews - which will unavoidably always be there.
[Android Apps and Games] topcaser:
Hm, why do we have in the play store version am automatic check for updates on github but don't have the manual check?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I only have a problem with unreasonable reviews.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
If the Play store version would check for GitHub updates, it would be removed pretty soon from the Play store.

If you use the Play store version, the Play store app is responsible for updates. The app itself could check for updates too, but this would required using the Play services library, which is closed source and therefore against the philosophy of the app.
[Android Apps and Games] topcaser:
I can't find the option any more but wasn't there an option in the settings to force fairmail looking on github for updates more often?
[Android Apps and Games] La_Globule:
This option is the miscellaneous settings.
[Android Apps and Games] topcaser:
Yep that's what I expected too. But it vanished
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This is available in the GitHub version only.
[Android Apps and Games] topcaser:
OK in the GitHub version it is available. I just downloaded it. Saying this a long press on about just shows the current version as an overlay. Is this the expected behaviour and would fairmail tell me what that a new version on github is available if so?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Yes and yes.
[Android Apps and Games] topcaser:
This is really helpful. Thanks for sharing
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
But you have to turn off the automatic update in the Playstore for FairEmail (if necessary also repeatedly, because Google sometimes turns it on again without being asked).
[Android Apps and Games] topcaser:
OK, is this possible per app?
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
What should be possible via app? You have to turn off the automatic updates yourself. Nobody really knows what Google does in their closed-source app.
[Android Apps and Games] topcaser:
I mean, whether you the automatic update can be deactivated per app. Since you wrote:

you have to turn off the automatic update in the Playstore for FairEmail

This sounds as if there is a way to turn it off per app
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Yes, of course, it also works if the automatic update is generally switched on, which of course makes sense, then you can also switch it off again in the three-point menu for each individual app.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Yes you can. You need to uncheck the auto update after going into each app
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
You said it: they are 'unreasonable'! That is they don't make sense.

But you are a caring human so I understand your pain. Yet as others have said, and the ratings prove it, Fairemail is by far the best email app for android. That too is a fact.
[Android Apps and Games] lordearl:
Does anyone have a way of adding an email into a task?

Typically if I want to remember add a task from an email into my workflow I will choose 'add to calendar' from FairEmail and then make a calendar entry to ensure that the task is complete.

However, OpenTasks is a better system for managing this process.

OpenTasks - Apps on Google Play

Open Source Task Management.

play.google.com

What's the best way to add a task from FairEmail into a task list?
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
I can share every E-Mail to the App Tasks. But most of the time here also is enough a deferral of the mail until ...
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Share message is your best option because there is no standard Android API for tasks.
[Android Apps and Games] lordearl:
thanks - share message should work but I don't get TASKS in the app list as an option?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The list with share targets is compiled by Android based on the capabilities listed in the app manifest. In other words, you'll need to contact the author of the app for this.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
I see 'Tasks', but I have installed the app 'Tasks' ... ;-)
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
I also use tasks

I also have it installed.
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
@M66B Marcel, when I press the dustbin icon in the unified spam folder, it generates a purge command for all junk folders - even if I don't have a (suitable) Internet connection at that time. That means that as soon as FE comes online again, all junk folders are emptied, even though I might not have been able to see their actual contents again. Shouldn't there be a warning that mail can get lost that way, or maybe should the dustbin button be disabled when there is no active connection?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
IMHO there is a pretty clear warning you need to confirm.
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
Not if you disabled that warning before. I'm specifically referring to the case there is no active connection. People might think that only the synced spam messages are deleted.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can't disable this confirmation dialog.
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
For real! 😯

I'm so used to press OK in that dialog I don't even know I'm doing it anymore 🙄
[Android Apps and Games] lordearl:
I'm not entirely convinced - sometimes TASKS shows in the share list, and other times it does not. I've just tested it on half a dozen different emails and it only appears sporadically, does anyone else have this issue?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Android builds the list with share targets. Apps only share content with a type and do not have control over the provided list.

Note that recent Android versions use an "AI" for this for the better or the worse.
[Android Apps and Games] lordearl:
Just attaching some examples here, the list of apps that can be shared is different from email to email. As attached in the first image, TASKS is the default but doesn't even appear as an option in the second image.
[Android Apps and Games] avalx:
I'm using Tasks.org app - NOT Open Tasks and I see it in the 'share' options. Maybe try with that?
[Android Apps and Games] jmh2002:
Yes, drives me nuts sometimes...

A solution for other users discussing this topic might be to use a 3rd party share sheet?

If I remember correctly some of those have the option to set favourites / sticky particular apps in the share sheet.

Maybe it can be helpful.

(check the privacy issues with such 3rd party apps if that is a concern)
[Android Apps and Games] lordearl:
Confirm I've tried with both of the Tasks apps and the issue is replicated, in some cases it's in the share list and in other cases it isn't. There must be some cause (ie. Certain senders, or if marked unread before trying to share, but I can't seem to work out the pattern yet). I've never seen a problem like this from within a single app, which makes me think it must be related to FairEmail rather than any of the other apps (as per my earlier screenshots the list of apps to share with is sometimes far longer)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The app will share the content always in the same way:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/ee98128635cba33e27ff15b52c6ac52d0a9a5c38/app/src/main/java/eu/faircode/email/AdapterMessage.java#L5259

Edit: there is a small difference when sharing multiple files (attachments).
[Android Apps and Games] lordearl:
I've just given evidence that this is not true - as we are typing this I am cycling between emails and sometimes it shares through a large list of apps options and other times a much shorter list. It seems to be whether the email was received today (longer list) or yesterday (shorter list). Can anyone else test the share button to see if the list of apps options is inconsistent?

I've sent a few emails to myself to test and the share options always include the Tasks (+ other more comprehensive options) if I tap share on those, but with older emails the option simply isn't there.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can check the source code yourself. There is nothing about the age of the message, etc.
[Android Apps and Games] lordearl:
I'm not doubting your code, it's probably perfect but I bet it's some sort of android issue. I just did a survey of 20 emails, 4 of them went with the preferred sharing choice of auto sharing to Tasks, the other 16 just opened the shorter list of app options which didn't include Tasks (or quite a few other apps).
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I will add some extra logging tomorrow, so we can check what is being shared exactly. Please use 'Report issue' in the navigation menu to contact me for a test version. Please reference this discussion and include your XDA username.
[Android Apps and Games] lordearl:
Thanks mate will do
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
I'm using OpenTasks as well and I have it appearing for all my mails. I need to scroll through the list to see it, but it is always there.
[Android Apps and Games] Friedel25:
I don't normally use the share option. Testing revealed such:

Most cases: 44 apps are offered, always including Tasks and Open Task

Messages with 2 or more attachments: 20 apps are offered; Tasks and Open Tasks are not there.

Some messages (long message text): ↻ appears the middle, after a few seconds a error message appears: "Failure from system data parcel size 1228460 bytes"; the message has approx. 330 kB as raw data.
[Android Apps and Games] lordearl:
Well done mate! I thought I was going crazy....
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Messages with multiple attachments will use the intent action ACTION_SEND_MULTIPLE instead of ACTION_SEND. It seems not all apps accept ACTION_SEND_MULTIPLE though.

I will truncate the text in the next version to something Android can handle.
[Android Apps and Games] lordearl:
Thanks @M66B you are a god amongst men.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I don't think this is correct: I am not feeling very good today (just a bad day) and I guess gods would feel good always.

Anyway:

Limited shared message size · M66B/FairEmail@27ff9b3

Fully featured, open source, privacy friendly email app for Android - Limited shared message size · M66B/FairEmail@27ff9b3

github.com
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
Me too. I use OpenTasks and it appears on scrolling down to it.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Version 1.1732 is available on GitHub now.

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Love the ability to collapse folders in nav menu👍
[Android Apps and Games] ianmacd:
Since the last few versions of FairEmail, the button under About that takes one straight to the releases page on GitHub has been removed.

Was there a particular reason for that? Updating is considerably more awkward now.

Perhaps the button has merely moved to another location in the app, but I have searched and not found it. Nor did I find a posting about it in this thread, but apologies if I missed one.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
It is back in the latest version ...
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
If you like, you can try version 1.1732b, which adds saved searches.

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

This is not finished and extensive tested yet, but seems to work fine. I need to do other things first and will later continue with this. There should be something to set a name for saved searches and possible a color for the iconified navigation menu.

There will be no update notification for this version.

Edit:

Save: at the bottom of the search dialog

Delete: long press the saved search in the navigation menu

Maybe 'save' should be moved to the 'search more' button.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
Wow! Amazing app!!
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
Suggestion:

The collapsing folders list is an excellent addition. But, once collapsed, there is no indication of the collapsed content. Maybe a label would be useful: Accounts, folders, etc.
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
Marcel, just a wild idea that came up after the new feature you added today again.

I was perfectly happy with FE about 1500 iterations ago, when it measured only 2.5MB. I mainly use the app for quickly checking my new mail, and anything serious like writing complex mails with lots of formatting and/or attachments, or searching, I do at my PC.

So now the idea is, what if you publish a stripped down version of FE, some kind of FE Light, that can be extended through modules of plugins by the user? There could be a plugin with search functions, one for formatting options, for encryption, theming, you name it.

I'm not sure, but I think your code is structured enough to rip it apart in separate modules. Benefit for the user can be that he only needs to download updates of functions he is actually using, and it simplifies the learning core for new users, who will not be overwhelmed with all the options like they often do now. You could even set a pricing schedule for the plugins, where some will be free and others come at a (lower) cost (than you ask now for the Pro version, which will of course remain to be available).
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This would make maintenance and support more complicated.

The app is just 20 MB now, which is still pretty small!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This would inevitable result in complaints ...
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am getting about every 3 minutes (not an exaggeration) an email from someone complaining about Outlook not working anymore ("AUTHENTICATE failed"). Unfortunately, there are already plenty of bad Play store reviews for this too. Something seems to be wrong with the Microsoft IMAP server. The odd thing is that the same still works fine for Office 365 account.

There are lots and lots of Outlook users and if they all start to rate the app bad, it will be the end of this project.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Marcel: I have an Outlook account that is set on manual sync . I just tried and it syncs fine.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Did you use the quick setup wizard (Office 365 / Outlook) to configure the account?
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
To be honest I don't remember. It was so long ago. But I have set up all my accounts that way . So it must be.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
If you are asking if I have an app specific password the answer is NO I do not
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Can you please tell me the host name in the advanced account settings?
[Android Apps and Games] carpler:
I too got this error this afternoon. Removing the account and re-inserting it with the wizard seems to have solved the problem.
[Android Apps and Games] O_DoC:
I don't know about their specifics cases.

But on my side outlook works flawlessly.

By the way, maybe they do not 'refresh' their ID connection to outlook from old param to new one which support o365.

I do not have o365 before but MS update my outlook adresses without notice.

It took 10 sec to refresh the iD and everything were back to normal. That happened a (lot) few weeks ago.

Could be the same case, as MS tend to switch node by node

...just my 2cents

FE still working like a Swiss watch and beat by 42km any other email app

🖖🏽

I even moved some people from my family whose know basically nothing in IT and they're happy with all oob settings - read write email, move to folder, and like to play with theme color. Nothing more nothing less, 100% satisfaction.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Outlook.office365.com

So I guess it's set up as an office 365 acc
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
That's at least a bit reassuring.

I can authenticate my Office 365 account, but I can't authenticate a test Outlook account.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Can you please tell me what 'refresh' means exactly?
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
I sent by email what u wanted
[Android Apps and Games] carpler:
My e-mail is not an 365 account. However, I noticed that the account was previously registered in FairEmail as outlook.office365.com (or something like that). After deleting it and redoing it (again with the wizard) it is now registered as an Outlook account. Don't know if this helps...
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Unfortunately, I can't authenticate your account either :-(
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
So how does it work from here? I amlost
[Android Apps and Games] O_DoC:
Redo wizard and the domain change to outlook.office365.com.

That's it

PS : provider still 'Outlook'.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Do you mean changing the host name? That's not possible with the Outlook wizard. Or do you mean changing the email address user@outlook.office365.com?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I think this project is going to end :-(

This isn't manageable and very frustrating. People don't give me a chance and I can't fix it either.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
No it will not ! You will come thru this. Believe me
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am considering to pull the app from the Play store and this is not just a thought.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Would the same thing not be happening to ALL third party apps?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
i don't know, but I didn't change anything (there was no Play store update) and yet it doesn't work anymore.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
Maybe you can try with k9 or aquamail. See what they do. I would gladly do it but they are gone from my phone and I have forgotten how to set them up
[Android Apps and Games] O_DoC:
Re done the wizard and select outlook, put email/password, and let FE manage it.

Everything was the same, just the host change to o365. (Not domain sorry)

Will provide a screen if you like.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am busy pulling the app from the Play store ...
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Please send me a screenshot (you can use 'Report issue' in the app if you wish).
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The app is removed from the Play store, which seems to be possible for new users only.
[Android Apps and Games] nadir husain:
So sorry Marcel. You don't deserve this kind of stress
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have no choice :-(

I guess the end of the project is being force upon me.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
@O_DoC thanks, but that is the manual setup and not the Office 365 / Outlook quick setup wizard. The default is to use outlook.office365.com already.
[Android Apps and Games] O_DoC:
Ok but that worked for me for a long time and keeping working well without issues aldaylong.

From the last time you told us the recheck connectivity (can't remember when exactly but a few months/weeks ago).

Sorry if was not what you expected.

Tell me if I can help.

PS : at some customers outlook platform, they change all o365 account recently to set MFA mandatory. If could be a root cause, as all people who do not setup any 2steps (like the MS authenticator app or else) was stuck outside etc.
[Android Apps and Games] O_DoC:
@M66B Marcel

Could be just an MS outage

🧘🏽‍♂️

https://downdetector.com/status/outlook/
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I would like to believe that, but:

"User reports indicate no current problems at Outlook"
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I get about every 3 minutes a complaint by email, so if you think this isn't a serious problem, think twice.