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[Android Apps and Games] cobben:
FYI

State hackers (Russian GRU) organized a phishing attack on journalists from ProtonMail addresses

. . .

Hackers have registered 11 domain names in order to disguise attacks as ProtonMail emails. The fact of phishing was confirmed by the administration of the Swiss secure mail service.

ProtonMail management called this attack the most sophisticated of all that the company had to deal with. The company also explained that the scripts of the fake domains were synchronized with the real ProtonMail domain, which in theory could allow bypassing two-factor authentication (that is, if the user entered the code of the second factor on the phishing site, the same code would be automatically entered on the real one) .

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[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

beta

version 1.651 1.652

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

The main change is that this version has ANR (application not responding) reporting enabled to get more insight in why ANRs are occasionally happening. Please consider to enable error reporting in the miscellaneous settings because more reports will result in more insight, especially because ANRs seem to happen rarely (fortunately).

Please see this FAQ about error reporting:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq104
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Overall the Play store rating of FairEmail is certainly not bad, but recently there were some not so good ratings with remarks like this:

Translated: "First, I find the user interface usable, but very confusing and somehow old-fashioned. There would probably have to run a UI designer."

Is the user interface really a legacy, confusing, old-fashioned, etc? If so, how should that be improved?

Or should I just ignore this and stick to the design goals (minimalistic, non distracting) ?

Or should there be more "bling-bling"?
[Android Apps and Games] dnsroot:
Please, no „bling-bling“! It’s anyway difficult to match everybody’s taste. I personally like FE‘s UI, it’s much better than for example K-9. However, your primary focus is not so much to deliver a flashy app, but a secure and privacy respecting email application with a lot of useful features, giving the user full control over their accounts.

I also think that your target audience are more tech savvy people interested in open source software, encryption, privacy etc. - who just wants something looking nicely, can stick with their stock Gmail apps... ?.

However, this does not mean that you shouldn’t introduce also improvements to the UI if you like.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
I do not think you can get a higher rating. Even solid apps such as Fx file explorer has 4.4 compared to fairemail 4.6

So, ratings will be between 4 and 5 anyhow.

Gboard googles keyboard is 4.4, and Instagram which is probably the most used app at the moment is 4.5

So, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Not sure what they are referring to.

You should ask them to show you examples of what they mean.

As hardly any app use animations (maybe some music apps may be the exception)

Colour themes?

So they expect random images to pop up, with comments and stuff, video?. Then email app is not what they need.

FairEmail UI is great for email. So not sure what they want.

What is blingeddy blung?

I do like transparent theme, examples:

Not open source,

FX file explorer: https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1253399

Open source,

Frost: https://xdaforums.com/android/apps-games/app-frost-facebook-t3685896

Twidere: https://github.com/TwidereProject/Twidere-Android

If you are planning themes, then I suggest to take a look at how theme engines work so that changes to the overall design remains the same

Some apps have theme editors, not sure how they work, though

However, I believe most theme engines such as CM engine and substratum do not work anymore due to changes in OS by goggles forcing root.
[Android Apps and Games] ouzowtf:
Sometimes I think so too that it looks a bit outdated and old fashioned, but I didn't rate anything like that in the play store.

I often asked myself what exactly is the reason for this feeling is and did not come up with a clear "problem".

It doesn't look light/modern.

One thing I noticed is color choice. Especially the color and style used for the buttons in the settings look a bit like the grey used in Windows 3.11 or Windows 2000.

Or the blue color choice at the top.

Another thing could be font style and sometimes font size.

Sometimes it could be just about the right amount of white space between being usable/practical and visually appealing.

But it's really hard for me to catch the cause.

If I had time and a PC I would try to make a mock-up.
[Android Apps and Games] dnsroot:
Fair Email on iOS?

I am using two mobiles, a private Android and an iPhone for business. I am trying to set up the two devices as similar as possible (in terms of apps). Fair Email is one of my most used apps for my private email accounts.

On the iPhone the stock email app is used for company email. I do not know which other iOS email app would be as good and trustworthy as Fair Email.

Therefore I am wondering if there are any plans to create a corresponding app for iOS?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Please see this FAQ:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq75
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
I am with you on simplicity and no bling but do sincerely feel that the comment above is valid.

While I do agree that folks who care for their privacy will take the trouble to learn, I also feel that UX needs to be inviting to those who want to try your app.

I can't put my finger and say improve this or that but IMHO, it can do with a design makeover. I wish I could be more specific.

Maybe you run feedback you get at this SE site and see if you get useful suggestions

https://ux.stackexchange.com/
[Android Apps and Games] ouzowtf:
Something like the list of mails here: https://dribbble.com/shots/6733370-Email-interface

I think it looks clean, tidy and with the right amount of white space, information and focus on the important parts.

In FairEmail in the not compact mode there is for example the current account and folder shown in the unified folder right aligned, which makes it look unbalanced and a bit cluttered.

The compact view could use just a very small amount more white space to look lighter.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

beta

version 1.653

Changelog/dowload:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

The main change is using a card layout for messages. I like to hear if this makes things look better. If you don't like it, there is a display option to disable it.

[MENTION=2932933]ouzowtf[/MENTION] thanks for the remark; the account/folder name has been moved left.

Please report any problem you discover.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Maybe you should write some kind of disclaimer at the top of the app description, like: "Attention, this app is only for power users or people who prefer function to appearance". Then you can always refer to it and nobody can complain, because he just doesn't like the current design. ;)

By the way, without the card display many more mails / information fit on one screen - so thank you that it can be switched off.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

beta

version 1.654

Changelog/dowload:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

This version uses cards for folders too.

Please report any problem you discover.
[Android Apps and Games] ouzowtf:
Card layout is not really right for me so I disabled it.

Non compact view looks better now, thanks.

Since a while (ever?) there is a small little bug or behavior that always drives me crazy:

When changing from compact view with small font size to non compact view the font size is changed to medium. I have to change the font size twice again to get the look I want.

But maybe it's just me and for others it makes totally sense?!
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
I don't change view mode that often, but you're right, it's the same here.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am done for today: a two star rating because FairEmail is not free to use, which is supposedly not in the spirit of open source software. Go develop yourself or go use other, mostly unmaintained and unsupported apps instead.

Maybe I should simply make FairEmail closed source and sell it to the highest bidder. I get offers enough of shady companies.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Then you have to extend the disclaimer by: "This app is also only for those people who are willing to support the developer with a monetary trifle for his living". ;)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Disclaimers won't work for ignorant, demanding and spoiled people. They should use privacy violating apps instead.

If you use the Play store version, you can (temporarily) leave the test program to write a comment / leave a rating.

https://play.google.com/apps/testing/eu.faircode.email
[Android Apps and Games] TiTiB:
I like my tools lean and mean (function over fancy) *always*. The other thing is that I like to be able to see as much information on screen as possible (compact view, and I turned off cards). I can't think of anything I'd change right now.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
I like the new card view. I switched it on and off several times and though I can work with either I prefer the card view. For those who don't, it can alwayd be disabled.

As for the negative reviews, it is impossible to please everyone. That's a fact. It's reality. So as long as most of the reviews are positive, that's the best anyone can expect. It is an excellent app and provides unique privacy features. That's the bottom line. Thank you for all your work.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Do you use the normal or compact view?

I like to hear more opinions about the card layout or anything else that can be improved.

I guess you are right about the comments, but it still doesn't feel fair given the amount of work I have put into this project.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
I use the compact view. The other has far too much wasted space.

I too have trouble with rejection so I know exactly how you feel. We're too sensitive for our own good.

P.S. the world is not fair. It never has been.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Another thing which is regularly commented on is the message action bar. See also this FAQ:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq53

I am thinking about changing it into a (non standard) vertical action bar. The disadvantage will be that small messages will be higher. The advantage will be that more actions will be possible.

Maybe there should be a horizontal action bar in landscape mode and a vertical action bar in portrait mode.

I like to hear opinions about this.
[Android Apps and Games] cobben:
I've never really like Google's Material Design choice, Bauhaus / Art Deco is not my style, though I do have some Swedish Art Deco glasses I'm very fond of.

So the function over fantasy is practical I suppose, but I would prefer the snirkly undecipherable Jugend hyroglyphics if left to my own devices.

Perhaps best others choose for me then.

Otherwise I am not a big user of email these days, and pure inertia is hindering me from changing my other phones from Bluemail as I had thought.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
It is not about rejection and I don't think I am overly sensitive, but I would like to see more understanding about that it is a lot of work to build an app like FairEmail and some more constructive criticism instead of bam here is my bad rating and not giving me any chance.

Maybe we should be less fair and maybe the name FairCode should be changed into EvilCode and FairEmail into EvilEmail. Open source would be evil source. I guess there would be more competition this way too, lol.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You know that sitting kills you, right?

I walk almost everyday 5-15 kilometers.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
I've long thought that the action bar is not ideal. By action bar I mean the attached image. If feasible it should float down as the user scrolls down to read the message. In a long message it disappears as I scroll down. Ive become used to it but it would be ideal if it stayed visible during the scrolling.

Last item: I would love it if you found a way to implement my request for color highlighting starred messages to make them stand out.

P.s. I use the portrait mode, never or rarely the landscape view.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
The card view is 'prettier but I've gone back to the non-card option which I find more useful.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
I do not see the point of card-view. I believe it is another gimick privided by goggles that they do not use in most of their apps.

In compact view it creates too much space in between items in list.

And, has a shadow effect.

I think themes would be better than cards.

Their are always pathetic reviews. You should take a look.

As long as you reply to reviews, you should forget about them afterwards

Instagram 4.5

Tiktok 4.4

Whatsapp 4.4

Snapshat 4.1

Google translate 4.4

Either way it is probably somehow skewed to suit playstore needs.

People do not read description, nor faq, nor anything, they also skip through any tutorials then give negative reviews if they cant find something or do not know how to use it or do not like it.

Trying to please these individuals who have no sense would divert you from the original goal of your project by adding flimsy stuff to try to make them happy, which will only lead to worse remarks.

As long as it does not take up screen space or has an option to switch to current/old bar.

As currently app is fairly stable and feature-full.

So any changes probably should be in a test branch with a test release, i.e. debug release which should be regarded as separate app where you can test things.

Most project developments do this, especially if they are testing fairly critical aspects, i.e. vlc has debug nightlies.

The problem is their are people who just do not care, how much time is spent, etc.

They came across your app installed it, did not understand because they did not bother to read, so they leave a bad review.

They do not even bother asking in forums, too lazy to register, nor leave feedback, report issue.

So, they are not expecting you to fix their issues nor problems. They uninstalled and moved on.

So I am not sure how you can please them or gain their support

All you can do is answer all the reviews, both good and bad

Maybe you can convince 1 or 2 to show you what and how it could be better and changing reviews.

But, in the end 4.7 is a hell of a score in playstore
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Design Comment

First - FE is the best damn email client bar none. Don't let a few whiners bother ya. I don't think you should target this solely at tech savvy/privacy folks - those features are awesome but its great for broader audience as well. Please keep doing what you're doing - FE can certanly be the top / go-to email app. Its on the way now. I'm sure you do, but take a look at the competition for UI approaches (BlueMail, TypeApp, Gmail, Outlook etc) - k9 is very dated vs the others. Are there any things that look/work better than FE? My view - FE is modern and fast and amazing features.

My wife and I both use FE. She is non technical so better represents broader population. Couple of comments.

1) Pinch Zoom

She found the lack of pinch/zoom quite non-intuitive - it might be a nice thing to add in addition to keeping the font size toggle.

This seems to be issue when images are displayed, but also at times when may need to temporarily zoom on text for some reason.

2) For myself, i find the non-compact view a little too "spacey" and the compact view not quite spacey enough. For compact, I would suggest the subject align to start under the name as it does in non-compact view. This also makes the reply arrow icon more visible. Not sure a 3rd view between compact and non-compact is a good idea - might be better to keep 2 views.

3) Threading.

I have multiple accounts - some like mailing lists I always read threaded, as it makes it easy to delete an entire thread if not interested in reading it. Other accounts, like personal, i always read un-threaded as I'm only interested in the latest. Since threading is global, would it be possible to make a way to easily / quickly toggle threading on/off from the index?

4) Index - i've noticed with index open, that a new mail arrival doesn't trigger the inbox to scroll to top to show newly arrived mail- wonder if it should?

5) Account colors - these left vertical color bars make sense for unified inbox - but are they needed for individual account view where they are all the same color? Maybe turn it off there and just show color somewhere like top or bottom. If you ever added an account name to account index view, you could color code that perhaps.

Thanks you for FE Marcel - this is an awesome tool - you have way way way more fans than a few straggler detractors.

gene
[Android Apps and Games] dorqus:
FYI just left a five star review in the Google Play Store.
[Android Apps and Games] Primokorn:
I guess you meant there's no email notifications for accounts that are excluded from the unified inbox.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Not accounts, but folders not part of the unified inbox because the unified inbox is a set of now selectable folders.

So, there will be a new message notification for new messages arriving in one of the folders that is part of the unified inbox.
[Android Apps and Games] Primokorn:
Yes you're right, folders!. I just tried and it works flawlessly :good:
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
This is a recurring problem with FDroid. Sometimes some updates take a longer time than others.

I am not sure if they fixed it to at least be consistent.

This will always be an issue unless Android starts to support more than one signature per app, i.e. personally signed apk and FDroid signed apk. But, then again, would devs want that, as if a problem arises with FDroid(or another secondary supported signature) than their needs to be a way to revoke it, which makes it even more complicated.

I personally, prefer to use direct from devs. Whether it be preferebly github or by other means play store. As 3rd party should never be used when you can get from source directly, as in dev.

Great work.

I need to configure app again and get it up and working.

Also, reverting back to previous icon is a good thing for now.

As there might be issues with license regarding this part of logo, not sure who original author of this design:

[MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION]

Regarding new email notifications, is it per-new-email or once per-notification(as there is only one notification regardless of number of email).
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The existing notification will be updated when more new messages arrive and the notification sound will be played again.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
A setting to have sound played once per sync for new notification would be appreciated, (enabled default as current | disabled only once per notification).

The to do list seems to have disappeared.

I presume all done. Congratulations.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The goal is to have no settings (some/most/all advanced settings will be removed in time too). This will make the app simpler to use and to support.

The to do list was removed because most was either already done or already on GitHub.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
But, you have to be realistic also.

There is almost no app without a settings page.

There will also be a need for choice. As no two people use or want something the same way.

Maybe you need to categorize current/future settings possibilities.

As an example, attachments also could have a setting for download folder location.

Also, what happens to current settings:

Webview | chrome custom tabs

HTML formatting

Compression

Theme

Debug

How will you deal with above situations?

Users always want choice.

So not sure how to manage.

What is the difference between settings|debug and about:debug?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am realistic. I am the only one developing, maintaining and supporting this app and to limit the time I put into this project I will keep things as simple as possible. If there were tons of purchases and donations it would be another story. There are currently over 700 commits and before the first commit I had already put a considerable amount of time into this project. Half an hour work for each commit is a realistic estimate for one commit, go figure. In the end the goal is to offer an open source, privacy friendly email app, not to make everybody happy.

All the mentioned settings, except the theme, will eventually go away.
[Android Apps and Games] geronimoge:
Just a suggestion since you started that way and I like the idea: why not offering the useful and wanted options in the pro version?

So you 'would get paid' for these extra wishes and all the people that don't care much could use the normal version. Perhaps everyone would be happy then and your goal would still be reached?

I'm glad having donated because I really like having an alternative to K9 but if there won't be specific options in FairEmail I fear I will and up with K9 again.

But anyway: Thanks for all the effort!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Some features are not suitable as pro feature. In this past I already had 'WTF???!!! do I have to pay for a dark theme?'. I am afraid the same will happen with the discussed feature.
[Android Apps and Games] Namnodorel:
Well, but that you can safely ignore. People who say such things especially in such a way will say the same thing about anything else you offer in a Pro version, justified or not.
[Android Apps and Games] dorqus:
I just reproduced this and sent you the logs, at roughly 13:15 EST.

Running version 0.36

Thanks!
[Android Apps and Games] geronimoge:
In addition to that: if Pro offers (much) more than just the dark theme, there is no reason to complain. But of course it's your decision to make.
[Android Apps and Games] dorqus:
Am I missing something? or there is no "reply all"?

I see icons for Spam, Trash, Move, Archive, and Reply

But Reply only replies to the sender.

I can click on the "double upper bodies" icon at the top right (next to the papreclip) to add more people (CC/BCC fields) but it doesn't include the original people in the message....

I tried long pressing on Reply, but didn't matter.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
There is a reply all in the overflow (three dot) menu if there are CC/BCC addresses.
[Android Apps and Games] dorqus:
Yeah thanks just found that... Sorry

---------- Post added at 05:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:27 PM ----------

How about on an email with multiple To: addresses? will "Reply-All" work there as well?

Edit: that does not work. Replying to an email with multiple To: addresses only replies to the sender. Any chance you can fix that behavior [MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION]?
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
[MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION]

please consider undo action for delete /archive. I find myself accidentally doing that when I am swiping the screen for swipe gestures for other actions configured (using another Xposed module)

Even in the absence of that mod or other swipe gestures, I think these should preferably have undo action

Requested https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/issues/92