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[Android Apps and Games] MueKo:
I know what my provider is only using this system at this moment.

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[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Anybody between your device and the mail server can read your messages in plain text. This is really, really unacceptable in 2018, so contact your email provider and complain and try to make the world a better place.
[Android Apps and Games] MueKo:
My provider is a big company and I'm satisfied with it. It would be fine if they change this but at this moment I don't have a problem with it when someone needs to read my incoming emails. For secure emails I use an other provider. Your mail program is the first I try without no encryption support, would you add this?

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[Android Apps and Games] wirdSchoon:
What does "Oreo apps" mean in this context? Apps programmed with an older api can control the notification light.

Is that the difference why other apps have no problems even if the LEDs are adjusted in the settings of android (e.g. color, sound)?

The question arises at which point does the program code have to be improved?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Maybe there should have been a comma:

"From Android 8 Oreo, apps do not have control over notifications anymore after being installed"

Apps designed for older Android versions might behave differently, but Google will not allow updates for such apps anymore, see here for the details. Recent Android versions will also show warnings when installing an app designed for older Android versions. In generally this is a sign the app is not supported and maintained anymore.
[Android Apps and Games] wirdSchoon:
By chance, I have always narrowed down the problem with the notification light.

If Fairemail has received a mail and the phone is only switched on after FE receives another mail, the LED flashes permanently (rhythm, color), as set in the Android.

Does this indicate a problem with Android or Fairemail?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
FairEmail just sends notifications and what happens next is out of control of FairEmail.
[Android Apps and Games] DerHeadbanger:
Advanced settings

Hey,

very good work, I really like the app! Anyway, I have one question: I can't find the `advanced settings` and specifically the option `allow insecure connections` (The option `allow insecure connections` when setting up an account does not work for me and I really need this). Am I completely missing something and just blind or is it hidden somewhere? (https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq41) I would really appreciate a reply.

Thanks again for your work!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Insecure connections needs to be enable for specific accounts and identities, so you'll find this setting in the advanced account and identity settings.

If you tell which error you get, I might be able to give more instructions.
[Android Apps and Games] DerHeadbanger:
Okay, I'm just stupid. I was always looking for that option in the general settings. So its working now, thanks for the really quick reply and support!
[Android Apps and Games] dmitry.nezhevenko:
I think that I've found something. Imagine that I've folders like (/ -- imap separator):

- lists/foo/bar

- lists/aa/bb

All intermediate folders exists and are empty mailboxes (lists, lists/foo, lists/aa)

Also I've enabled to show only subscribed folders. In such case to completely hide whole 'lists/' tree on phone I should subscribe to both lists, lists/foo, lists/aa because otherwise FairEmail can't build folder tree.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am not sure what you are trying to tell.

You should be able to hide lists, lists/foo, lists/foo/bar, lists/aa and lists/aa/bb and all child folders should be hidden as well.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

beta

version 1.586

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/releases

Please report any issue you find.
[Android Apps and Games] dnsroot:
App hidden from recent

Hi, I just disabled my biometric lock again, but I noticed that the FE app is still hidden from "recent apps". Is this intended behaviour or is there another setting I could use to make FE available again from recent apps when biometric authetication is disabled? Thanks!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You'll need to restart FairEmail to fix this. Update to the just released version and that will be done ;)

Edit: the next version will restart automatically.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Thanks. FairEmail is mostly a hobby, but everyday some fixes and some new features makes it a big project in the end. There are still not many people using FairEmail and the few purchases/donations would never be enough for a commercial project.

I think FairEmail is pretty feature complete, so expect less releases in the near future.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
Oh no! I've gotten accustomed to my daily FairEmail update. I'll miss them. I'll think something is wrong with my internet! ?

Actually FairEmail is a very complete email app now. So don't worry about sales. It's a matter of people 'discovering' it and then there will be an avalanche of sales. It just needs to be reviewed somewhere with a large readership.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
So, it look like I am your virtual drugsdealer ;)

If you have suggestions to promote FairEmail in a nice way, please let me know.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just renamed the GitHub project from "open-source-email" into "FairEmail", which I should have done much earlier.

The old links will keep working and will be redirected to their corresponding new links.
[Android Apps and Games] dnsroot:
Well, we had this already in the past, when FE was launched officially in the app store. As this is the one-stop-shop for most users, many positive reviews in Google's app store would help to promote this great app. However, since most of us here in this forum got FE either from Github directly (or other sources), we are excluded from reviewing it in the app store. At least I tried, and did not figure out how to leave a review. But uninstalling the app to get it from Google was not an option.

EDIT: but even without the possibility of rating it in the app store, everyone of us can spread the word!
[Android Apps and Games] cobben:
I'm old enough to remember the beginnings of the 'net, or prehistoric times, when an email would take 3 days to traverse the US via the universities' modems being enabled only at night when phone rates were cheaper.

Isn't creating a newer better email app something like creating a newer better dinosaur, in these days of an overabundance of "free" messaging apps?

No offence intended.

In my family most messaging groups used are in WhatsApp or Telegram, or private platforms of all sorts.

No email groups.

It's been years since I remember being in an active email group.

I'm still running my own site and email system, not sure it's really motivated anymore, except for convenience and security reasons.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
FairEmail is not meant as a newer and better email app, but as an email app to protect your privacy better. To this end there are a number of features to help protect you against tracking and phishing that most other email apps lack, some of them unique (you could even call them inventions). See here for a short list of these features:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail#privacy-features

Besides that, FairEmail has about everything you can expect from a modern email client.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
Unfortunately, there is some truth in this. My grandchildren almost never use email anymore. They're all using text messaging apps.

Your next project Marcel?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I agree there is some truth in it, but email is certainly not dead. In my email archive there are literally 100 thousands of messages (if that isn't a dinosaur, what is?) and they are not old, at least not as old as I am ;)

Moreover, most business related emails (health care, insurance, etc) have some form of tracking, so FairEmail has its function, at least to me.

My next project is to enjoy life ;)
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
Our loss, your gain.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
My promotion of FailrEmail is - besides the Pro purchase - my signature (in German) which is automatically set by FairEmail under all mails I write with FairEmail.

It reads:

"--

Actually, nobody likes this Advertising,

but if anyone does care:

I wrote this mail on a UMIDIGI S3 Pro

with FairEmail [https://email.faircode.eu/]."
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
Good idea.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have considered to put a similar remark in each sent message if the pro features are not activated, but I am afraid people will complain and rate low for it.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
How about put the message in the non-pro version with an option to remove or modify it.

I'm searching how to put such a message as we speak.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Setup > Manage identities > Tap an identity > Signature

Maybe that could be set to a default too to promote FairEmail. I will think about that.

Edit: maybe "Sent with a privacy friendly email app: FairEmail" ?
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
I had found it already.

Trying

"Sent with FairEmail, an opensource email app for those who value their privacy."
[Android Apps and Games] cobben:
Bluemail has that.

It is easy to turn off, but many people are too lazy . . .
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
If you insert a corresponding note in every mail sent with FairEmail by default, then it should be separated from the actual mail text by a "correct" signature - and then I would have to remove my own signature again ... ;)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The signature will be set to a default on adding a new identity, also when using the quick setup, and existing signatures will be left alone.

I am not sure yet if existing empty signatures should be replaced by a default.

The default text is already available for translation on Crowdin.
[Android Apps and Games] Licaon_Kter:
The future looks bright, so many angles e-mail is developed on: https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2019/03/fosdem-2019-and-deltachat/

;)
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Marcel, if you want to introduce a default signature - whether for new identities or empty signatures of existing identities - I think you have to

1. ask the user, like this: I would like to make FairEmail better known and therefore put the following text in the signature under each e-mail you write with this identity "...". Is that o.k. for you? YES / NO.

2. completely rewrite the signature handling. Because with a central, program-side signature, this would not only have to be displayed to the user in the draft, but he would also have to be able to edit it for individual e-mails or delete it completely. This editing of the signature would then of course also have to be saved in the same way (in the outbox) and would not then be replaced by the default signature when sending.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
I would suggest taking some time to answer questions related to Email on Stack Exchange Android Enthusiasts. It does have a decent readership but more importantly draws tons of Google search results (I am saying this with the knowledge of being a moderator in the past and having insight into facts) . Without revealing percentages, let me assure you that Google search is #1 draw to the site, miles ahead of other options. And while you are at it, you can address XPrivacyLua related aspects too

I would have done it but my on line activities are severely restricted for other reasons

Signature idea discussed later in the thread stinks. No offense to anyone. It will only help you getting negative comments. Folks who care will support you anyway, and those who don't have another stick to bash you with.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
In quick setup, user should choose what to put.

I recommend making it clear what signature would be so that user are not taken by surprise when they see it.

Which is also why I do not think having signature added to users with empty signatures. As all of a sudden signature will start appearing.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Hello m0d, see also my requirements in my post from 03:51 am.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Most email apps set a default signature and FairEmail is also going to do this too in the next release (only for new identities). I have added hints to the setup screen, so it will be clearer how to change signatures (and a few other commonly asked things).

The current solution allows for a signature per identity, which is more flexible than a common signature for all identities. Since identities can be switched while composing a message, the signature needs to be switched to. This cannot be done reliably when the identity is part of the text to edit.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Point me to any question related to my apps on Stack Exchange and I will happily answer it.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

stable

version 1.587 "Dinosaur"

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

Please let me know what you think about the changes of the setup screen.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
There is a small bug (feature?) that causes the default signature to be set when editing an existing identity with an empty signature. This will be fixed in the next release.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
I changed the German translation for the passages in the setup screen, so it might make more sense now.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Unfortunately, I am totally inactive else would have liked to point out.

Guess, you would need to check on a periodic basis
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/commit/93ea791bad89e115346a57a360903e1ff1773d43

Does it only check for signature empty then use promo signature?

What uf users want an empty/no signature?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can always save with an empty signature. The bug is that the default signature will be set (but not saved) when editing an existing identity with an empty signature.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
For activated accounts 'this is a pro feature link can be removed'
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I hope you mean this in a positive way because I am.

However, I cannot make everybody happy.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This will be done in the next version "Cathedral".
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
A signature *forced* by the mail program - no matter what it is - would I delete with every mail - or if that is not possible, use another mail client ... ;) So in FE I would have to define a separate identity for myself, in which I would have to delete the default signature manually, right?
[Android Apps and Games] andy356:
In the screenshot you quoted, you can see that Color comes before Signature Text. It's easy to miss that way. It looks more like a divider above Edit as HTML.

If you were to swap them, you would have 4 text fields and then 4 buttons, which makes sense and looks orderly.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
No, you don't need to define an additional identity. You can always change the signature of an identity before saving the identity. It is just a default text.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
IMHO the name and color belong to each other because they determine how the identity will be shown.

Also, four buttons on a row doesn't look good in my opinion.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestion.
[Android Apps and Games] andy356:
What about swapping signature and display name? Then you could also make display name + color more visually distinct and separate from the other text fields.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I will add a header 'Color' and change the title of the button into 'Select ...', which will make it more consistent and clearly separate things.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am thinking about labeling each release with a dinosaur name in alphabetical order.

There appear to be enough dinosaur names to keep up with the release rate.

What do you think? What should be the first one?

If you need something visual, check here.
[Android Apps and Games] andy356:
Could you also make the color picker greyed out and unselectable for the non pro version? And similarly for the schedule time picker under the Receive tab? I noticed you did so for Notification actions.

Regarding the Signature Text field, my main concern is that it gets overshadowed by the UI elements above and below it and my eyes tend to skip over it entirely.

What about making the text fields have a slightly different color than the background (did I just invent text boxes? ( .o.) ) so that the user can clearly see that it is something that expects to receive user input? For example a slightly lighter grey on the dark theme.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Disabling the color picker takes away the opportunity to check out how it works before getting the pro features.

The (input) text fields already have a slightly darker/lighter color (depending on the selected theme).

If you like, you can contact me for a test version (for example by using 'Report issue' in the main navigation menu), so you can see how it looks with a title.
[Android Apps and Games] TiTiB:
Allosaurus

It means 'Different Lizard'
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
I'm sending that link to some of my grandkids. I have a 5 year old who'll love it. (Probably knows all the names already).
[Android Apps and Games] andy356:
Ah. Okay. Fair enough.

I can't see it. The text fields have the same color as the background on my phone and in the screenshot quoted earlier. Unless you've changed something after 1.574?

I didn't get it. With what title?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
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[Android Apps and Games] andy356:
I just had an idea. What about showing an example below it that dynamically displays the chosen colour and name? This way the user wouldn't need to back out the whole way to see the change, then return if they wish to change it again.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can already see the colors in the color picker, so I don't see what this would add.
[Android Apps and Games] Mackie Messer:
Archaeopteryx

A flying, modern dinosaur ;)
[Android Apps and Games] nussbaum:
I am sorry to hear you will stop development in estimated two years from now. ;)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

stable

version 1.588 "Allosaurus"

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

This is mainly a maintenance release.

The release name is visible in 'About'. I like to hear suggestions for the next release name.
[Android Apps and Games] ceccadroid:
Hi.

There's a way to set some sender as trusted and I can download the images and whatever?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
There is a display option to show images in messages by default for senders in your contacts list as these are considered to be trusted.
[Android Apps and Games] dnsroot:
Did I miss something?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Just a few dinosaurs ;)
[Android Apps and Games] dnsroot:
? I guess I got the first one already! No, I meant the "end of development" announcement / rumour a couple of posts before... ?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
In the next version you can set an Android contact relation to 'Untrusted' (case insensitive; the relation type [parent, child, etc] does not matter) to prevent displaying images in FairEmail automatically (when enabled in the display settings). I don't like to store this information in FairEmail, so it will be preserved when reinstalling and automatically synchronized to all your devices.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
FairEmail is pretty feature complete, so new releases will mostly be bug fixes and small improvements only.
[Android Apps and Games] dnsroot:
Then my question is almost obsolete, but I'll ask anyway. I am one of the app's translators, and I'm always running behind the releases. When a new release with new features is released, I will check the new strings in Crowdin, tranlate them and the translations would then appear in the following release.

This was not really an issue when we had such an update frequency as in the past. But in the future, when releases will be fewer, I wondered whether some kind of pre-announcement via email would be possible so that we can have the translations ready for the scheduled release? Or would that turn out to be too inflexible?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Crowdin will send you an email if there are new translations (unless you have disabled this in the Crowdin settings). The next release almost always contains the newly translated texts. When there are more than a few newly translated texts I will release a new version as well, even if there are no other changes.
[Android Apps and Games] andy356:
I suppose entry 5 "Go to Messages" can be removed from the Principal tab now? It was needed when two levels "Settings" and "Advanced" existed.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Maybe someone can say something here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/ccwc7r/fairemail_is_it_any_good/
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Although 'back' does basically do the same when an account is configured, it also function to show 'the end' of the setup, so I like to keep it as it is.
[Android Apps and Games] andy356:
The way I see it, it is only needed on the first run of the app when the user is being guided in the setup of their first account.

First run: quick setup > grant permissions > set up battery optimisation > main app screen (Accounts).

I don't want to remove all my accounts and settings to check; does quick setup run only once during the first run or have you set it up in a loop? Something like:

"Your account has been set up, would you like to add another or go to the main screen?"
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Going to the messages, either by using the button or by using 'back', requires at least one synchronizing account.

You can use the quick setup / manage account/identity to setup as many accounts/identities as you like.
[Android Apps and Games] andy356:
I'm not sure what this addresses? Unless the user skips the first run, they would have added at least one account.

Wait, have you implemented a guided setup on first run at all? I was assuming until now that you had.

Assuming that a guided setup has been implemented, it would just increase the convenience factor to be able to add as many accounts as needed in the first go. In the best case scenario, an average novice user wouldn't even need to use the Principal tab.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The principal tab is the guided setup. Recently the 'Go' button was highlighted and there were some more explanation added, which you can get back by selecting 'Reset questions' in the three dots overflow menu of the miscellaneous settings. In earlier versions there were no extra tabs, but that resulting in questions like "Where are the options?". Hence why it is as it is now. The principal tab should be suitable for less and more experience people, but some common sense is expected.

Edit: maybe the 'Go' button should be changed into 'Wizard' ?

Edit: suggestions for improvements are welcome as always.