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[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
Fwiw, I've recently noticed some strange flickering without knowing what might be the cause. So it happens, but not all the time. I thought I was the only one.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
There might be a redraw when there are (inline) attachments because these might appear later. You can solve this by enabling the option to show the attachments at the bottom.

If you think there is another cause, I like to hear which one.
[Android Apps and Games] mrrocketdog:
+1 on the flickering. last two versions.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
I don't know the cause but shared second mail video that shows this on mail. No attachments on this mail either
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The last two versions only added the number of extra recipients, so it was likely there earlier.

Can you please describe how it looks like?

Nothing has changed that can explain this, which is why I am thinking that an AndroidX update is causing this.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Sorry mail attachment size exceeded limit

Sent you another mail with two videos
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
—It's recent.

—On opening newly received message it begins to display the text, then restarts adding more text.

—I've not noticed if it was on messages with attachments or not.

—Only happened occasionally. Not since last update (or two).

—will watch more closely next time it happens, if it happens.

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It has not happened in the last day or two and only started within the last few days. 'If' it happens again I will try your suggestion. In the meanwhile I will just observe and report.

Showing attachments at the bottom is currently off, as it has always been. The behavior is very recent.

(I thought it was my phone going bad....)
[Android Apps and Games] heisert:
Add me to the list.

But it seems it flickering once (when viewing the same Mail) but there is no clearly discernible pattern yet (for me)
[Android Apps and Games] Dark_Eyes_:
For me it's reproducible every time. Just look at the date in the header, it changes from grey to white to grey again. It happens with every message, whether there is an attachment or not.

To make sure, I tried with the github version but it also happens on my own builds.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have seen a video where a message flashes once after a while after it has been expanded. This is likely caused by a changed message properties, causing an update of the (expanded) message view. The question is, which properties is to blame for this. To be able to diagnose the problem, which I cannot reproduce for some reason, I have built a special version which will show a popup message with the property that has changed.

If you have this problem, please download/install the special debug build and let me know what the message(s) say after you see a flash after having expanded the message (without doing anything else).

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases/tag/1.996

Note that rapidly changing properties (read/unread, star/unstar, etc) will cause the popup message to appear as well because the database is catching up in the background. This is normal behavior.

Please see here: https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=81894547&postcount=12770
[Android Apps and Games] dctrbnsttr:
I notice flickering when opening a new email message as well. I use the github versions of Fair Email . I think it began around the same time as the discussions of reproducible builds.
[Android Apps and Games] Dark_Eyes_:
It says "keyword colors changed" every time it flickers. I guess it might be it.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Can you please enable showing keywords in message headers in the display settings and let me know if this still happens?

To others: can you please confirm this?

Note that there might be other properties changing too, so I am not convinced that this is the main cause.
[Android Apps and Games] Dark_Eyes_:
Yep, enabling ""Show keywords in message headers" fixes the flickering for me. At least the one that happens every time I open a message.

By the way, what exactly is that option doing?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Showing IMAP keyword (labels) in the message header. Try to manage keywords in the three-dots menu of the message action bar and you'll see.
[Android Apps and Games] heisert:
Message is saying preview changed and keyword colors changed.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Preview changed can happen after the message text has been downloaded on demand. Did you have to wait for the message text? Was there a small spinner left below the message action bar?

To others: if you see any other popup, please let me know.
[Android Apps and Games] Dark_Eyes_:
Thanks, I was trying on an Outlook account and it didn't work but it did on Gmail. I created a "Test" keyword and now I can't delete it. How can I do that?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Just uncheck it and the keyword will be removed. You might need to sync the folder to remove it from the list of available keywords.
[Android Apps and Games] dctrbnsttr:
Checking enable showing keywords seems to fix the flickering problem for me.
[Android Apps and Games] chantoine:
I have flickering too with my Samsung Note 9 / Android 10 and no flickering with my Xiaomi note 5 / Android 9. Singe several releases.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released version 1.997

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

The flickering introduced by a recent change related to keyword colors should be fixed.

If you still experience flickering, please enable debug mode (you'll need to ignore all the ugly debug info) and tell me which popup message you get when the flickering occurs.

Please report any issue you discover, so it can be fixed.
[Android Apps and Games] chantoine:
Thanks, seems fixed !
[Android Apps and Games] heisert:
Yeah thanks! ?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
FairEmail was blamed to let a smartwatch crash not long ago. Today FairEmail was blamed to let an email server crash. Of course the associated reviews weren't particularly favorable.

I like to warn you that FairEmail can invite your mother in law, break up with your boy/girlfriend, terminate your job and infect you with a disease (Corona seems to be hot), but only if you are stupid enough to believe this is possible. So, do the smart thing ;)
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
Completely off topic, but since you bring up Corona virus:

According to the CDC, there have been 19 million people sickened by the flu in the US alone.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/03/the...cross-us-as-world-frets-over-coronavirus.html

resulting in 180,000 hospitalizations and 10,000 deaths.

How does the coronavirus compare? And China has a larger population than the US.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Let's not turn this thread into a thread about Corona. That said, I advise everybody to check the facts and to follow a healthy lifestyle.
[Android Apps and Games] vladimiroltean:
Hi, I found your app a few days ago while searching for a client with plain text functionality and it's been quite good so far.

I am using my device with a mouse and keyboard and it's nice that it has context menu support on right-click. However when I want to copy a link, I need to mess around a little bit to get it selected. I was wondering whether you could add something like "Copy link" when right-clicking on one?

Thanks,

-Vladimir
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
In the open link dialog there is a copy icon for this purpose.
[Android Apps and Games] vladimiroltean:
Oh, that's nice, but it looks like I can only interact with that window via the middle-click button, is that intended?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
It is just a button with an icon instead of a text, so you should be able to click on it like any other button.
[Android Apps and Games] vladimiroltean:
I agree with you completely, I was just saying that left-clicking on it with a Bluetooth mouse didn't do anything.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Should it?
[Android Apps and Games] vladimiroltean:
I don't know, why not? I mean the interface is pretty intuitive in general, this one isn't (I don't know who would think about middle clicking as first thing), but maybe I'll get used to it.

Thanks for the app!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
It is just a normal button without any special logic, so it works as any other button.
[Android Apps and Games] vladimiroltean:
Yeah, I guess that's just the way it is, that's Android for you..

Well thanks for the hint anyway!
[Android Apps and Games] Dark_Eyes_:
[MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION] I noticed today that replying to a forwarded message will result in RE: TR: even if the "Prefix subject only once on replying or forwarding" option is selected. I understand it might be the desired behavior, but with my work email app (MS Outlook) only the last RE or TR will be kept, never both. Therefore, it seems weird that my messages don't follow that rule.

Could it be changed/made as an option?

Thanks for considering my request.
[Android Apps and Games] vladimiroltean:
This one looks like a bug:

When replying in plain text mode to a message containing an email address (in the format "Name <address@host.com>") in the body, the email address between <> gets removed from the quoted text.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
When you enable debug mode, messages can't be opened? Strange

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3 updates short of the 1000th... Wow!

[MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION] Thanks for your dedication and superb support

?

Folks.. Maybe, a good time to show our appreciation of Marcel's efforts $$

I've just done that
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
FairEmail will remove re:'s for all languages your device is configured for. Note that a semi colon can be used in subjects and therefore cannot be used to recognized re:'s.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Please send me the raw message file of an example message with which this happens. How to: in the three-dots menu of the message action bar: save raw message file. Long press 'Support' in the navigation menu to get to know my email address.

Edit: I cannot reproduce this.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Messages can be expanded in debug mode, but not by tapping on the debug info.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
How?

Edit : OK, got it.

Please ignore
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
By tapping anywhere on the message header, but not on the debug info.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Thanks. Just figured it out. Please see edit

Fastest gun

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Repeat but it is worth it

3 updates short of the 1000th... Wow! [MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION] Thanks for your dedication and superb support

?

Folks.. Maybe, a good time to show our appreciation of Marcel's efforts $$

I've just done that
[Android Apps and Games] mrrocketdog:
well , a bit late to the party. that uh , thing , you know , thats not xda ; uhmm uhmm , that ; oh yeah RL kinda held me up. but .... it was almost like a complete on/off on/off when scrolling. but since your quick & intelligent 'bug-busting' talent coupled with talented , responsive & top-shelf FE club members ; you built v.1.997 and it is no more.:cowboy:

p.s. come payday , [MENTION=6285129]beeshyams[/MENTION] lead will be followed. one way or another. lol
[Android Apps and Games] Surfinette:
Hi [MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION]

I'm a pro user from France, and would be pretty upset if you decided to stop distributing fair email in my country (I bought the pro version from the playstore so I can only activate it from a playstore download).

And I don't understand your comment. I just checked your reviews on the French play store, they are excellent (4.7 - highest score of all email clients) even recent comments are mostly 5 stars, very little 1 and 2 stars, coming from obviously non expert users.

I love fair email and enjoy all its detailed features, but you have to admit it's not that easy/intuitive to configure for the basic user looking for the lean "simplicity" of an iPhone and who don't understand the notion of privacy/security.

Your play store description says it's easy to setup and minimalist by design, but the basic dumb user might actually get overwhelmed by the numerous options (that may convey a feeling of complexity). Even the setup might feel a bit complex for some with the notion of identity, which many people won't understand.

You can't satisfy every one. Your app is obviously better suited for "expert" users than basic one... And the bad ratings only come from the latter. So you have only two choices, (1) forget about the bad ratings and maybe warn in the playstore app description, this app is better suited for advanced users, or (2) redesign Fair Email so that the basic users don't get overwhelmed by too many settings they don't understand, maybe by having two modes basic and advanced ? This second option may be against your phylosophy of privacy/security but it would suit better the low playstore rankers who don't care about privacy/security and who want a nice looking email app working right away with all pics in email views and no popup asking questions they don't understand when clicking on the send button.

Keep the great work. Fair email is by far the best email client on Android, but it may not be suited for everyone.

PS - I know a lot about basic users, because I've turned (against my own will ?) as a help desk assistant for mum, dad, kids, colleagues, etc. And I know from experience that their limit in term of UI complexity is very very low (to my despair!)
[Android Apps and Games] mrrocketdog:
if they dont know and/or care about security and privacy , 1) why in god's name would they even look at FE and 2) thats why there's gmail & 3)they should just stick with stock email app on their phone. js
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

BETA

version 1.998

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

This version removes the message action bar, also in an attempt to make FairEmail more accessible to novice users [MENTION=2599254]Surfinette[/MENTION]

Most actions can be executed via the new three-dots icon button and for some actions, like undoing a sent message, a dedicated icon button was added.

All reply actions were moved to the reply floating action button.

I like to hear if this is a good or bad change.

Please report any issue you discover, so it can be fixed.
[Android Apps and Games] Surfinette:
I agree, but when you read the comments from the 1 and 2 star ranking, there are obviously basic or pseudo-basic users trying FE, maybe due to following the advice of an expert friend, or tempted by FE being described as simple to use in the playstore.

In any case human beings are full of contradictions, that's why we are humans and not robots :laugh:

And that's also why [MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION] should not care so much about the bad rankings
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
For all those who are afraid of too many options, there is already a popup that tells them when they select these options that it is best to just leave everything on the sensible defaults if they do not know exactly what they are doing.
[Android Apps and Games] BreckZeBoulay:
Not good for me.

Simple thing, where is the "answering" or "forwarding" ?

Three dots menus is interesting for advanced features, but basic features like answering, forwarding or deleting a message should be fastly accessible.

Another solution could be to use the conversation action bar to have these simple features available. The problem is that it's not configurable (if I am right).
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can just tap the big reply button at the bottom for all answer options.
[Android Apps and Games] BreckZeBoulay:
Confused, shame on me, sorry.

I go to hide me in a cave for a century ! :D
[Android Apps and Games] Surfinette:
I like the change, especially the one regarding all the reply actions in one place (the floating button), except the delete action, which should be, in my view, placed along the other icons, or at least at the top of the 3-dot menu list.

What is undoing a sent message? I've never used this feature!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
There is a delete and archive icon in the bottom navigation bar. Did you maybe disable this bar? I think the option to disable the bottom navigation bar needs to be removed now.

If you enable delayed sent in the send settings, you'll be able to move a queued message back to the drafts folder if you change your mind or want to add something.
[Android Apps and Games] Surfinette:
There is a big yellow floating reply button for answering and forwarding (it was already there in the previous version).

Just the delete button is missing
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
So it is not a sent message, but a message that is intended to be sent in the future.
[Android Apps and Games] Surfinette:
Indeed, I didn't have the bottom navigation bar activated!

Note that in setting, activating this bar is said as "Show conversation action bar'". But I'm not in conversation mode (I hate it), therefore I didn't have this bar activated as I thought it applied only to conversation mode.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
In single message mode it was actually a message action bar. Anyway, the option to disable the bottom action bar will be removed in the next release because it will be necessary to delete or archive messages now. Note that all single message actions are still available via the three-dots icon button.

Grouping messages (conversations) saves me a lot of time and gives me more overview (less cluttered inbox), so for me it is an essential feature. Maybe you just need to get used to it.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Looks bad. Spoils the distinction between actions meant for that particular message and the entire conversation thread.

Besides, I honestly don't think this will help those who can't help themselves by learning (novice users)
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Which message actions did you use before and why can't they be replaced by the corresponding conversation actions?

Note that you can still move (trash, archive) an individual message when needed via the three-dots icon button.
[Android Apps and Games] Dark_Eyes_:
That's not what I meant., but I double checked the code to be sure. What I meant was that the prefix once option will trim all Re: when replying and all Fwd: when forwarding. But replying to a message that was forwarded to me will end up in Re: Fwd:, which is not the behavior I'm looking for. For my work email, only one of Re: or Fwd: is allowed, so replying to a forwarded message will only result in Re: not Re: Fwd: ... Don't know if it's any clearer, but if nobody else wants that, I can change it locally, no problem :)
[Android Apps and Games] Dark_Eyes_:
I was sceptical at first, but I'm on board with that change! Keep up the good work man. I'll be sending you a beer today, and I encourage everyone to do so too!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
If a replied to message is being forwarded (or the other way around), I would like to see that.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
I think I didn't phrase it correctly. No actions are missing.

Let me put it differently - probably because I got familiar with the work flow as it exists (before the changes) I don't find this comfortable. That doesn't matter, one can re-learn. More important, in my view, this doesn't simplify for novices.

You may well ask, what should be done to simplify. IDK. I wish I could contribute meaningfully for this aspect.

Does it need to be simplified? I don't think so. Those who value what the app offers in terms of privacy will put in the effort, those who don't will crib and award lousy ratings. You can't change anything here.

Let me ramble - Titanium Backup is a great app with an arguably lousy UI. It was lousy and a pain in the back side till I appreciated the need for backups and I learnt how to use it. I somehow feel that "novices" is an euphemism for "lazy b**s"
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
How can removing an action bar with trash/archive actions that looked similar to the ones in the bottom navigation bar not simplify things? Similarly to merging all the answer actions into one popup menu instead of two.
[Android Apps and Games] famusc:
I liked it better as it was: the 3dots menu has lots of items and having some of them quickly accessible in the action menu was better for me.

From my point of view, I'd make this choice customizable with specific option, maybe with default disabled. The top would be let the user choose which action to have on bar.

Anyway, there's no other email app but yours! :good:
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
There is just one more entry in the three-dots menu than before (move to) and all other actions are available via the bottom navigation menu and the reply men now. So, all actions are just as quickly available as before, except for moving to a specific folder, but I don't think this was being used much.

In any case, I am not going to add an option to change to the old layout. You can propose other changes though, but for now I have no plans to undo this because for now I only see advantages.

To name some advantages:

- the location of the actions is always the same now and not dependent on the scroll position anymore

- less space is being used

- less confusion about message or conversation actions

If there are disadvantages, please let me know and I will try to improve things.
[Android Apps and Games] chantoine:
Sorry, but how can i, within a thread, move a single mail to trash, with the last release ?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Three-dots button, move to, trash.

Is there a reason why you can't trash the conversation?

Do you use this frequently?
[Android Apps and Games] chantoine:
Yes, i frequently read professional conversations where i only keep "good" or final contributions. I did'nt use the bottom bar before last release. For me the delete button in this bar should maybe be replaced or completed by thrash (single message).
[Android Apps and Games] crypta:
Is there no search for sent items? Or am I unable to find it?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This seems a specific use case to me and I understand that the previous solution was easier for you. I don't see a simple solution for this because the bottom action bar should delete the conversation. A popup menu asking what to do would be annoying for others. Do you have any suggestions.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Go to the sent messages and just tap the magnify glass to search for sent messages.

Please see this FAQ about how searching works:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq13
[Android Apps and Games] chantoine:
Ok, i can't hear that, with the new interface it's "only" one tap more to thrash a single message in a thread, and not all the thread.

One suggestion would be, as the bottom bar has only 4 items, to propose a BIG thrash icon to thrash all the thread, and a small one for only one message ?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The bottom action bar has already up to five icons (the maximum): previous, trash, snooze, archive and next.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
Because people may like to try 'something new' and then express their opinion about it. Human nature.

That's why

—a warning that this app is designed for advanced users interested in security and privacy might have some value (but suppress sales)

or, as I previously suggested,

—a simple global 2-tier switch that switches off all security options permiting 'gmail type insecure use' might be useful in reducing 1 star reviews and anguish. These users could then try and learn the security options at their own pace, one option at a time.

A 3rd option, and the one I recommend, is to just ignore those silly 1 star reviews. That's what I would do. They'll ultimately get drowned out.

Please don't get angry Marcel, but, cutting off sales to certain countries because of bad reviews is like shooting yourself in the foot. Idiots and idiotic remarks are not country specific. There are idiots and loudmouths everywhere.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Statistics don't lie. How people rate is depending on the culture.