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[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Encryption issues

Can someone confirm please?

Set up K9 having Yahoo and G mail accounts and FairEmail only with Gmail

1. From Yahoo account whether I send text only or text with attachments it is opened correctly on FairEmail :good:

2. From FairEmail sending text only to Yahoo - needs the attachment to be downloaded and decrypted with Open key chain app and text shows up correctly but also says " Not signed"

does FairEmail not support signing?

3. From FairEmail sending text and attachment to Yahoo - on downloading attachment and decrypting throws up this error in Openpgp log

[START] Processing input data

[DEBUG] Attempting to process OpenPGP data

[ERROR] Encountered an error reading input data!

4. In K9 when I switch to same Gmail account and see the sent folder I can't decrypt and in FairEmail sent I can only view text but not attachment

I have sent a bug report

[MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION]
[Android Apps and Games] wirdSchoon:
FairEmail is a good alternative to K9 / AquaMail if:

the readability is improved (switch betwen systemfont)

Notification LED usable

Notification tone selectable

wipe between opened mail

the mail header disappears when scrolling through the mail

Thank you for your good work on an open source app for Mail.

my 2 cent for a perfect email app
[Android Apps and Games] jaholm:
My suggestion for the design.

The date separators could be more noticeable. So that the mails on different days separate optically better.

At the moment this looks like a simple printf("%s", date);

Color:

You can always disagree about the color scheme.

Many people want to set their own colors (I don't care about that, but other people do). Keyword colorpicker
[Android Apps and Games] jaholm:
Cool! This means if I close the app in the ANR dialog you will get a report automatically (while error reporting = On)?

Another question: Are the 5 Second in https://developer.android.com/topic/performance/vitals/anr for every Android version? On my LOS 16.0 I have to wait >20 second.
[Android Apps and Games] Hiroo Onoda:
Switched back to the old (compact) view. I find the card style takes too much space in compact view. The spaces in between the cards should be smaller, so should the cards themselves (vertically, I mean by their height). If that was changed I would give it another try.

Anyway, never had an issue FE UI in the first place.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Most paid teams do this.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Thanks for your feedback, Gene.

Pinch zoom: I will look into this another time, but scrolling and zooming in the same view do not go along very well.

Spacey: the next version will have a compacter card view.

Threading: IMHO you like threading or not and therefore it is a global setting

Scroll to top: you can enable this in the behavior settings

Account colors: these can be overridden by identity colors, which is why they are always shown
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I think more people will hate than love this kind of date separators.

Android is not built for dynamic themes, although Android Q will finally have proper day/night theme support.
[Android Apps and Games] cobben:
Heh-heh!

I should have put "mental" inertia, or similar.

One of the reasons I'm not using email so much just now is that we are in the middle of the heavy harvesting and processing period of our near full-time (summer) gardening, tree & bush trimming has begun, etc.

But I was working for 3 years as a guardian for fugitive children (Sweden), at times near a full-time job.

That is all gone now, and that was where I was a heavy user of email.

Back to being a pensioner with a 12 year old daughter.

No rest for the wicked.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Yes.

It should be, unless modified by the manufacturer or ROM developer.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

beta

version 1.655

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

I like to hear if the vertical message action bar is an improvement.

Please report any problem you discover.
[Android Apps and Games] ouzowtf:
I don't know who the German translator is, but the monospace font setting describes exactly the opposite of what it does ;)
[Android Apps and Games] cobben:
I can say that what kept me from moving to FE from Bluemail quicker, besides the bother of having to learn a new app when you already have one working well, was that FE was not handling my Google account at all well, for a longer period of time.

Now I don't normally use the Google account for anything at all, just Google stuff, so it was very irritating that FE was always complaining about not being able to sync or whatever when I was not even receiving any mail.

After having tried all the tweaks I could find I just gave up and removed the account.

FE has always worked well with the one of my own accounts I put in to test it, no problems there.

I suppose I should put my Google account back in again now that things have been cleared up, but I lack the motivation currently.

Maybe during the winter when the gardening is shut down and I'm bored.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can fix that here: https://crowdin.com/project/open-source-email (registration is free).
[Android Apps and Games] dorqus:
I really like the vertical message action bar, it's less distracting and more where I expect it to be (if that makes sense)
[Android Apps and Games] :
The vertical bar is quite handy on my pixel 3a, easily within reach and I don't end up obscuring the screen with my hand while reading mail.

I have deteriorating eyesight so appreciate the cards view (i find it more organised). A personal preference would be something like a greyscale theme option but overall I'm very happy with the app :)
[Android Apps and Games] chantoine:
Sorry, i don't like it. Too close from the edge for me, and i have to seek the thrash button now.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The trash and all other actions are still there, but displayed vertical in a column instead of horizontal in a row.

I will reverse the order though, so that reply will be at the bottom, so it is easier accessible.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
I don't like it at all. Horizontal is better for me.

Edit:

I got used to it. (No way to turn it off ?)

It's OK. Would be better if it floated down while scrolling.
[Android Apps and Games] ouzowtf:
I have to correct myself again, it's not wrong, but only confusing to me.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
I like both - more compact card view and vertical bar (fine with horizontal too). I anticipate a user choice for vertical /horizontal would please all but then add to another setting, LoL
[Android Apps and Games] stevekind:
Hi [MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION],

thanks for this wonderful app! I've been following development and using the app (+most of your others) almost from the beginning, so let me say: Your ongoing dedication to the project and commitment to both internet privacy/security and the spirit of open-source are one of a kind.

FairMail has long gotten to a state where it is absolutly usable as a daily driver by even the not-so-tech-savy folks. Even got my wife (talking 'bout digital inertia :angel: ) to finally abandon her beloved but dated K9.

Now FM is even getting more beautiful. Yea, I know, function matters more, but that part has become pretty mature. So why not let there be some things to please the eye! I like the new looks (compact + classic/not compact, I use classic more often as I do not get too many mails). Hell, I even like the shadows. If I should ever get tired of them, I just tick a switch and they're gone. I think this (unobtrusive blingbling) is also a way to atract more new users.

One minor thing I might suggest: the menu entry "more apps" (?; "Weitere Apps" in german) links to ol'googles playstore. Maybe you should just put up a list of all your apps with information where to get them (gplay/fdroid/github/xda). Two reasons: a) linking directly to google does seam a little odd for a privacy/foss project and b) most of your great apps are not on gplay.

Please do keep up your fantastic work, I am truely grateful for it,

Steve
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Thanks, Steve.

All my apps, except for XPrivacyLua, are available in the Play store too, but you are right, the link should go somewhere else for the non Play store version. I will change this in the next release.
[Android Apps and Games] jaholm:
What is non-intuitiv:

- changing between compact view or not will change the font size

- two finger zoom out/in will not change the font size

What I like is the space in card view.

What type the of date separators (as other design decisions) users like or dislike is questions that is not easy to answer. From my own experience, I can say: often my view as a programmer was wrong.

Please more comments from other users in this thread!
[Android Apps and Games] TheMadRuffian:
Suggestion: Make FairEmail optimize battery the same way as DAVx5 instead of asking the user to do it manually.
[Android Apps and Games] wirdSchoon:
It would be very pleasant if the user could change the orientation / position of the action bar.

Please remember the small screens.....
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Just adding the code alone will result in Google banning the app from the Play store, even if it is only in the non Play store build because Google scans all apps on the device (when not enabled), even third party apps.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Changing from normal to compact view will change the font size. This will not be changed.

There is no pinch zoom (yet?). Scrolling views and zooming do not go well together.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Small screens can scroll too, so that would not be a good reason for a setting.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
The vertical action bar only makes sense if it remains visible on the screen during scrolling. Otherwise, it is the same effect as with the horizontal action bar that it disappears from the image when scrolling, so that nothing is gained.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The big gain is that the complaints about the horizon action bar will be solved. For the rest it is getting used to I guess.

I am afraid that floating will be sluggish, especially on low end devices.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
The complaints about the horizontal action bar arise because it disappears while scrolling. The same happens with the vertical action bar.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The complaints were mostly specific about the action bar being ugly, strange, etc, but not about scrolling.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Hmm, but the action bar looks exactly the same vertically as horizontally - so the complaints about it should appear just as well.
[Android Apps and Games] styr:
Done.
[Android Apps and Games] wirdSchoon:
Unfortunately, fewer words fit next to each other and this is bad for the readability of texts on small screens.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
First of all, small screens should show things smaller as well, at least to a certain degree. Secondly, this is more a disadvantage of using a device with a small screen than of FairEmail. Other apps will have less screen space to work with too.
[Android Apps and Games] xt0ph:
Suggestion for a feature on rules

Hello

First of all thanks for your work on this software.

Then, I have a suggestion (I do not find any thread about this point), what do you think to add the ability to trigger a rule manually on a message? for example when dragging to the right (or left) or/and in the context menu of the selected messages.

kind regard.

--

Christophe
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Long press a rule in the rule list and you can "Execute now".
[Android Apps and Games] xt0ph:
Great, but the rule is always triggered when the new mail arrives in the folder, right? and my suggestion is to add the possibility of not triggering the rule automatically (or i don't seen how make that), but to give the possibility to apply it to a specific message (or several messages). This allows me to read messages and classify them quickly (without missing them).
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can disable the rule to not let it be applied on new messages and still manually do "execute now".
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
but the new bar is horrible,

It is weird as it is not standard design.

Also, it clashes with scroll bar, forcing user to wait a second before clicking, and screen edge. Some devices are less precise on the edge.

It also wraps text. So text has less width space on top and more bottom.

Now people will be complaining about the vertical thingamajiggy or those icon on the right.

People will always complain

Not a fan of new vertical thingy.

It makes app look more experimental and less orderly and stable

I believe you have too much time in your hands. Trying to address complaints and reviews.

You should take longer strolls and focus on other developments.

With cards view and vertical side icons app is being directed astray.

Why not remove bar completely and have everything in menu?

For the users who do not like standard bar?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The design is similar to the horizontal bar, so that was horrible too.

I will fix this. The card layout does not have this problem.

I cam currently working on expanding/collapsing the vertical toolbar.

I don't see why it would look "experimental and less orderly and stable". You could say the same thing about the horizontal toolbar.

There will always be complaints and "astray" sounds as one too ...

Using a menu would be the simple solution, but would result in extra taps for common actions.

Other suggestions are welcome.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
Except that it does not clash with the flow of email body.

When bar is on top or at bottom email body is not mixed up with icons and stuff

But if you move it more to the left, you are taking screen space.

Hmmm

Why reinvent the wheel. You said you follow "material" guidelines but are creating your own tools to deal with issues, which is not bad, just not Material.

Expanding sheets can work, and they will be persistent, as some users call for this, so the icons can be hidden unless one wants them

Because all apps have action bars or bottom bars,

Now most of them are moving to bottom bars and bottom sheets.

Have you thought of having bottom sheets: https://medium.com/halcyon-mobile/implementing-googles-refreshed-modal-bottom-sheet-4e76cb5de65b

When developer starts to focus more on bad reviews and the flimsiness of people than yes

extra taps are better then icons where email body should be

---------- Post added at 06:04 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:02 AM ----------

Since app focus is now on UI, I suggest to look at current design trends and specs before jumping into solutions.

With programming, jumping into solutions works.

But design has a flow guide.

First mock-up, then design review, then implement

https://dribbble.com/tags/android_ui

https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui

https://androiduipatterns.com/
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Both the bottom navigation bar and bottom sheet should be at the bottom of the screen, which is not possible here because the actions are related to a message of a conversation and not to the conversation, see also this FAQ:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq53

Making the side toolbar collapsible is the only feasible solution I see at this moment, but suggestions for other solutions are welcome.

Bad reviews need to be addressed when reasonable and I agree that the horizontal action bar was ugly and at the wrong place. Let's put it this way: I will cease development if the Play store rating will be lower than 4 stars. Although the current rating is quite good, it is still very sensitive due to the low number of ratings. Also, all developers have soon to live with a new average rate calculation where recent ratings will carry more weight.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
I tend to disagree with horizontal being in wrong place. As above message seems logical, especially when in conversation, that way you know whivh message you are applying it to.

However I do not use threading/conversation.

Email body should not have icons displayed on it.

It should appear as the mail is sent, without icons ( can be seen as ads).

What you are doing is removing navigational bar from the bottom and placing it beside the email body,

That is my view.

Having development depends on reviews is a little strange.

Imagine whatsapp, saying the same thing, or facebook.

They do not care about reviews. Because people use the app anyways.

To me you seem to be empowering and encouraging users to give bad reviews unless you do as they want, which can be dangerous

In regards to recent changes, their is whitespace causing misalignment:
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The system navigation should not be removed (=fullscreen), unless there is a very good reason, for example when playing a video.

In don't see what is wrong with the white space, so can you please be more specific about this?

"Having development depends on reviews is a little strange" also means that I don't need to let development depend on your view. It is not a black and white thing though. I try to make as many as possible people happy.

I am assuming most people will use the default conversation view.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

beta

version 1.656

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

The message toolbar has been made collapsible. In the behavior settings you can set the toolbar to auto collapse, which will also make the toolbar be collapsed by default ([MENTION=3138030]m0d[/MENTION] this is close to your menu suggestion).

I understand that the vertical message toolbar needs some getting used to, but IMHO it is the way forward. It not only solves frequently heard complaints, but it also makes the message actions more accessible (less far reaching) and besides that there is room for more actions, for example for the newly added 'forward' action, which was asked for frequently. So, please give the new toolbar some time and if you think something can be improved to the layout and/or behavior, please let me know.

Please report any problem you discover, so it can be fixed.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
Yes, but you do not place it in the middle of the screen.

Navigation is always at the bottom or top . ..

However the only issue with the vertical bar is that it becomes part of the body. The email text need to be wrapped around it, which is a little distracting.

Before this change email body is not mixed with anything.

Although there us already the top/bottom floating actions .

I just hope not more stuff are going to be added on yop of where email body should appear

For compact view save all can be in the dame line, as there is lots of space between show inline attachments and save all.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Please checkout the new version and let me know what you think.

The indicated white space is sometimes occupied by "Show inline attachments".
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
My suggestion was for save all to appear in the same line, as there is a lot of space,

When you click expand and vice versa email text wraps around the toolbar.

Compact

Expanded

Normally toolbars should not interfere with content.

It is like having a picture with a watermark, but less drastic of course.

A distraction free mode could be handy. There is space for a button for it in the vertical bar now.

When clicked only mail body content appears full screen, here you can handle pinch to zoom etc.

Back button takes you back
[Android Apps and Games] TiTiB:
I already like it. But I'm very open to change, in general.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
My bad: the empty space can have a button "Download all".

Edit: I will let "Save all" and "Download all" changes places. This will not only show the apparent white space, but I expect that download all te be used more too, so it can better be on the right side.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
I have grown to like the vertical bar but obviously others do not. Wouldn't the solution be to have a display option for the bar to be either horizontal or vertical?
[Android Apps and Games] xt0ph:
Okay, I did not know that a disabled rule could be executed anyway. So I would have to be able to run it on a selected mail, or a group of mails group and everything would be perfect for me :) .
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You will have to use the rule conditions to select messages, not the other way around.
[Android Apps and Games] ouzowtf:
If the vertical bar will be used in the future the whole header could be changed.

When the header is expanded, some information is doubled (see the same colors in the screenshot) and takes space.

The options to search, notify and add a the contract could be shown in the new vertical bar too.

When information is only one time shown and a bite rearranged, one would not need to have a collapsible menu anymore.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Depending on the settings, the addresses section might show more information than is shown in the header, but I agree that some reshuffling might be beneficial.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
I feel "edit as new" should be greyed out except in sent messages. I accidental clicked on incoming mail and saw formatting details, which don't make sense (text off mail deleted below)

"	body{margin:0;padding:0;}	img{border:0 none;outline:none;text-decoration:none;}	a img{border:0 none;}	table, td{border-collapse:collapse;}	#bodyTable{height:100% !important;margin:0;padding:0;width:100% !important;}	body, h1, h2, h3, div, span, p, a {	color: #000000;	font-family: 'Roboto', Arial;	font-size: 16px;	word-wrap: break-word;	hyphens: auto;	-ms-hyphens: auto;	}	a {color:#3063af;text-decoration: none;}	.fb:hover { background-color: #3b5998 !important; }	.gp:hover { background-color: #dc4e41 !important; }	.tw:hover { background-color: #55acee !important; } [MENTION=353474]media[/MENTION] only screen and (max-width:640px){	table, .tablewrap{margin-top: 0px !important;margin-bottom: 0px !important;}	}

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[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am pretty sure some people will disagree with this, so why remove this flexibility?
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
You are too fast damn it

See the edited post above please
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Play store is still on 1.654 - this is a bit longer than usual - anyone else seeing 1.655 o 1.656 in play store?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This is more a bug. Can you please send me the raw message file?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Google may take 2-24 hours to update the Play store and I have noticed it takes longer lately.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Sent
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
The fundamental issue is not how it looks or people liking it.

The problem is that the toolbar is given a higher priority than email content, depending on the toolbar email text is moved.

This should not be tackled programmatically, as it is a design issue.

We all downloaded this app for email not toolbars.

So, emails and its content should have highest value and take centre stage.

When you open a gallery app, the photo is always centred, the toolbars are wrapped around the central image, and not the other way round.

Take any app, and analyze it, the content of what the app should do is always the priority, and not the toolbars.

Toolbars should not interfere with the content.

No one will download an app for the toolbar.

As this is an email app, everything related to emails should have the highest priority.

Everything else should be designed around Email and Email content.

Which is why I suggested to take a step back and focus on Design, and UI.

Now that app is stable amd full featured.

UI can not be handled the same way as bugs and issues.

You can not tackle it head first, but make sketches, prototypes using prototypes apps photoshop etc

Otherwise you have a toolbar that is more important than email.

Instagram does not have the images move depending on toolbars, images are always where you expect them to be.

Same goes with gallery app, video app, etc.

The content of the app is always frontmost and centre, everything else has a lower priority

Anyway. . .