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[Android Apps and Games] revuwa:
better visibility of unread messages

IMHO it would be neat to have a accentuated visibility for unread messages, instead of just show the sender and the sending-time font in white bold.

What came into my mind is some kind of background color like the yellow or blue one, which are already used within the app.

Please have a look at the first two lines of the attached example.

What do other people think about that?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Advantages of the vertical message action bar:

Easier accessible (less reaching)

More than 5 actions possible

Solves complaints

Disadvantages of the vertical message action bar:

Takes some screen space

The screen space issue has been addressed by making the toolbar collapsible, with an auto collapse option.

So, in my book there are more advantages than disadvantages.

What disadvantages makes you not like the vertical message action bar?

I am planning to make the toolbar floating to the bottom of the screen/message (whichever is higher).
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
Looking forward to see developments.

I believe it is a flaw, in design and logic, as

I downloaded the app for emails, this app is the best email app for android.

Not because how a toolbar looks.

Also,

Your list of pros and cons is not very accurate.

Currently it is no more no less accessible than previous horizontal bar. Maybe it is less accessible since it is on the edge of screen.

Also, there are plenty of ways to have more than 5 actions horizontally and vertically

In both cases not pretty, but possible

Also a menu can have plenty of items, but do you want that many?

You can also have an infinite vertical items as you can scroll, but not practical.

So, the only real issue is complaints vs screen space

Complaints probably in playstore, because in xda most people are happy with app

In that case, yes screen space is more important, because this is an email app, and not a toolbar app.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Did you already try the collapsible toolbar? Did you already enable auto collapsing in the settings?
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Thinking aloud. Why floating? You may as well let it be where it is and you have up arrow to reach start of message. One extra click saved if floating
[Android Apps and Games] stevekind:
Well, I think a floating vertical action bar is the way to go. That way it is always right where I need it to be.

Now, what if there were only a floating button in the lower right corner, just like the "create new email" in folder view. Pressing that would expand the floating vertical action bar. No need to reorder text, just overlap, as focus is now on the action bar, not on reading text. Once an action is taken, the bar automatically is retracted and thus not interfering with mail content.

With this the horizontal action nar at the buttom could be removed, giving even more space for our mail.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The action bar at the bottom works on conversations and the side action bar on messages, so the bottom one cannot be removed.

Edit: there is a setting to remove the bottom (conversation) action bar.
[Android Apps and Games] stevekind:
Ah, ok, I never thought of that, I don't use converations view. Still, might it be possible to merge the two action bars? Having two is a lot of screen real estate and obviously confusing to some (e.g. myself :p )
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Removing the bottom (conversation) action bar would lead to either extra, likely unclear, actions or something like:

Delete action: ask if message or conversation?

Archive action: ask if message or conversation?
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
I've been asking for that (background or text color) for starred messages since the earliest days of FairEmail. Marcel says it can't be done because it clashes with something else. I hope he can find a workaround but so far it can't be done.
[Android Apps and Games] tbv2005:
I'm using compact view and auto collapse the vertical bar. I have no issues with the vertical bar itself and even find it nice but there is a small issue. When getting an email with just 2 lines text but some images attached (not inline) also the vertical bar is collapsed, the body of the email still takes the space as if the vertical bar is extended and due to that it's not possible to directly see the preview of the attached images as you need to scroll down. Would it be possible to make the "email body frame" (not sure if that's the right word). Just the height of the email text as long as the vertical bar is not extended? Thanks in advanced!
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
Perfect!

And an option to choose horizontal or vertical bar would avoid displeasing anyone. ?

(Be careful with feature creep....)

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Me too. But the toolbar is important in replying, forwarding , etc. So it is worth some consideration for ease of use of the app..[/QUOTE]
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am listening to feedback, but "flaw, in design and logic" does not tell me much. I have already given a list of advantages and disadvantages and if you see more advantages/disadvantages please tell me, so I have something to work with. If there are more advantages than disadvantages, the toolbar will stay, else it will go. For now it seems just a getting used to me.

Advantages of the vertical message action bar:

Easier accessible (less reaching)

More than 5 actions possible

Solves complaints

Disadvantages of the vertical message action bar:

Takes some screen space (addressed by making action bar collapsible)
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
Flaw means:

When I download instagram app, i download for photos and videos.

They are centered regardless of where toolbar is,

Also, toolbar does not change where the images are. Images are Priority:

The above toolbar can be removed and still the app is useful in regards to the bigger sense, Images being displayed.

FairEmail is an email app.

So, when I open mail, I expect to see the body without it being skewed by toolbar.

As Priority should be email not toolbars.

Even removing toolvar app is still in a sense useful, i regards to vieqing email.

So having toolbars floating or inbetween email text is a flaw. As that is the MOST important part of app.

I do not see how having vertical toolbar will lead to less conplaints, as it interferes with email body.

Whereas horizontal, which is as YOU and COMPLAINers say just as ugly as vertical, but with the exception that it does not run across into email content,

Personally, I do not find the toolbar ugly, whether vertical or horizontal.

The only issue is Design and Priority

I believe before coming up with a solution, you should draw it by hand, sketch the desgin and visualize it first.

And, priorities the items with respect to Importance.

FairEmail, app it is not FairToolbar app.

When you use an app the toolbar does not interfere with main content.

Even video app, when portrait mode, toolbar does not overlap video:

I know I am repeating myself, but as an email app, email content should be displayed as sent without toolbars getting in the way.

There is already the Top/Bottom icons floating, so their is no need of anything else taking up more space from content

Do you really think these changes will result in less bad reviews?

People will still give bad reviews regardless.

Go to any top app gave and look at the 1 star ratings, one person complains that they do not know how to go to settings for an app and gave a 1 star because of that.

So?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Did you already try the collapsible toolbar? Did you already enable auto collapsing?

I understand what you are saying, but email is not only viewing, but also acting on. An image viewer has less acting on than an email app.

Both the horizontal and vertical toolbar will take away screen space and if the message is small it just doesn't matter.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
How is it Easier accessible?

Both cases it is at the top.

Vertical it is to the right beside the screen edge.

How is it more easy to reach than horizontal?

This is preference not ease

In the gif I posted previously, shows a scrolling horizontal bar with as much actions as possible.

So there goes advantage 2

Complaints?

Users complain regardless?

What are the complaints? And are they really fixed with vertical bar?

You mention that people have been complaining it is ugly?

But as another mentioned, vertical is equally ugly but vertical and takes screen space.

Not sure how complaints are useful

1 star reviews are unavoidable

With all the data facebook collects, both their apps have a lower rating than fairemail as of yesterday

Facebook 4.1

Instagram 4.5

FairEmail 4.6
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
The sender can never specify, m0d, how his sent email will be displayed to the recipient. I have about five different mail clients here and each one displays the same mail differently.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
Auto collapsing , cannot find it. Automatically hide actions? Does nothing

But it does not matter.

Any app. The toolbar does not overlap the content.

Take any app.

UI is based on importance.

The only exception is the FAB button Goggles introduced, which is practically useless, just a new thingamijiggy

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But does any of the email app have their toolbars overlap message content?

Provide screenshot please

Also, email apps, most of them should have original view.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
The FE action bar does not overlap the message content either - if set to automatically hidden. Only if you want to perform an action (reply and so on) - and then the content is already read anyway and therefore doesn't matter.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
All toolbars, horizontal and vertical, take screen space.

You can find "Automatically hide message actions" in the behavior settings. It is close to the menu you suggested, so please enable it and let me know what you think.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Besides, the action bar doesn't overlap the content, the space for the content just gets a bit smaller. ;)

And the space for the mail content is also in all my other mail clients sometimes more and sometimes less wide.

The line break is therefore at a different place for each client. What's wrong with that?
[Android Apps and Games] ouzowtf:
Any app category you mentioned has overlapping toolbars.

You showed VLC in a screenshot. Have you tried to watch you landscape video in landscape mode instead of portrait mode?

-> toolbar overlaps content

The same with image viewers (Google photos, simple Gallery, ...)

Mail apps? Tried Gmail app? When you scroll down in an open mail you see an overlapping top bar.

Android itself? The navigation bar at the bottom overlaps Gmail, image viewer, launcher, ...
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
Automatically suggests some changes, but it just opens collapsed (not expanded).

Collapse message actions by default or something similar migjt be better worded.

As automatically i though when you scroll down it will automatically collapse/hide.

Besides, we already have floating top/bottom icons to take you to top and to the bars wether they are vertical or horizontal

There is a difference between overlap and positioned. vlc landscape bar appears then disappears.

And all the app there is no overlap between content space. They are designed to be separated.

The space where an image appear is blocked for the image. Etc.

The vertical bar is positioned within the space of the email body, clicking collapse/expand moves the text around.

Is that the case with any app you mentioned?

Please show me an example where the toolbar occupies the same space as the content

You can try to make a big thing about it. But in the end their is a design principal.

There is always room for inovation and new ideas.

But priority always should be on the content
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
We can discuss about the wording, but indeed it is shown collapsed by default and it will be auto collapsed after an action, hence the title of the setting.

How do you think about the toolbar now that you have found/enabled this setting?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

beta

version 1.657

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
The toolbar is not the problem. The placement is.

I believe if you want some bling-blung you should try some other design Ui

Maybe bottom sheet:

https://medium.com/android-bits/android-bottom-sheet-30284293f066

You should try using placement markers to position each mail in converstaion,

And, depending on marker reference dynamically change bottom sheet - https://stackoverflow.com/questions...nge-content-inside-modal-bottomsheet-android:

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@M66B

You mentioned 1 advantage is that vertical bar addresses complaints.

But, the design has not changed, just placement

You rotated 90 degrees the horizontal bar and placed it from above email body to the sharing space on the right of email body

So it is still the same UI just placed differently.

Users have complained that UI is outdated, so placement does not address this concern

So how can it be an advantage

I still think you need to address UI differently than coding, they are not quote equal. Even though they end up as code.

I am sure you can find solutions to everything.

But some problems need a diffefent approach in solving them.

Also, having a look at new UI design principles can help with other complaints as mentioned above.

What other ways are UI tackling these issues?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The card layout was added to address the outdated UI complaints, which seems to have helped because I got plenty of positive feedback on this.

There are still more advantages than disadvantages in my book regarding the message action toolbar.
[Android Apps and Games] laclac:
Hello

I use fairemail. It s very good. I have just a few suggestions of features:

- "Accept/decline calendar invitations": when the subject of the invitation is for example "Meeting". If you accept the subject of the answer is "Re: Meeting". Normally it should be "Accepted : Meeting" or "Decline: Meeting" like outlook. (In French Accepté/Refusé/Provisoire).

- the table aren t managed in the view message.it a problem when a mail have a table. I can t reply it.

- in the list of message the swipe on a message remove or archive. But I never archive, but always move. Is it possible to manage the swipe because I would like the change it.

Sorry for my english.

Best regard.
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
im still awaiting the play store to update before having an opinion on the action bar ... still stuck on 1.654 at the moment... definitely way slower than is usual.
[Android Apps and Games] m0d:
One thing I noticed.

On Playstore, FairEmail does not appear when clicking similar apps on email clients.

Also, there is no FairEmail listed when selecting category/Communication/email

On FairEmail listing it mentions Productivity on the top.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Thanks.

I will change the calendar replies.

What is exactly the problem with tables?

You can set the left and right swipe target in the account settings.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Unfortunately, as developer I have no control over "similar" apps. I have just added the tag "communication", but I don't see the communication/email tag.
[Android Apps and Games] styr:
Any way to use the pro features purchased from the play store app with the github app?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

beta

version 1.658

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases

This version restores the horizontal message action bar.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Further apps only result in a 'no maches' in the XDA-Forum.
[Android Apps and Games] chantoine:
#subject : action bar

Thanks, Marcel ! I was getting used to the vertical one, but the horizontal bar is, at least for me, much better.

#subject : Play Store

Last night i took a look at the reviews.

For your information, i noticed a "1 star rating" :crying: from "fab toto" stating "pas possible de paramétrage pour free", and in fact this person don't refers to the pro version but to the french internet provider : [MENTION=8449581]Free.[/MENTION]fr

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...QO1JETHDHhD8R_k-2jA34pUxV8wzuKAJtyRpAIXsNY9NE

This provider sometimes deviates from standards, and it could explain the difficulties encountered by "fab toto".

I remember that some months ago, one of the regular contributors here had also some problems with [MENTION=8449581]Free.[/MENTION]fr but i think there were surmounted. And it was on the early stages of FE development, unless i'm wrong.

Maybe if we retrieve the solution for this provider (i don't use it myself) you could then correct your answer on Play Store ? And thus avoid several other difficulties (and low ratings) ?

In any case, this "fab toto" doesn't seem... very gifted.

[EDIT] What about, in the app description, listing all the providers working with FE ? Even the main ones (2-3 for each country) ?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The free.fr problem already has a workaround, but this happens when people don't give me a chance.

Updating a Play store reply isn't useful because Google sends a notify only once. Nevertheless, I will make sure the reply is correct for others reading the reply.
[Android Apps and Games] patroll:
Bug:

When making a new Identity the field "Your email address" contains automatically the prefix of your email address but not the whole email address. When trying to add the @-sign to complete the email address the whole app crashes. Pasting the whole email address to this field works and the new identity can be created.

App version 1.654

Google Pixel 2 XL, Gboard, Android P.
[Android Apps and Games] chantoine:
What about, in the app description, listing all the providers working with FE ? Even only the main ones (2-3 for each country) ?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
"Gaming" the Play store listing is explicitly forbidden.

https://play.google.com/about/storelisting-promotional/metadata/
[Android Apps and Games] chantoine:
Ok.

I just edited my review.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Thanks, although I rather have you remove the remark about free.fr, since I have already updated my reply. Sometimes it is better not to focus attention on things like this, which I should say more often to myself as well ;)
[Android Apps and Games] dnsroot:
Hi, the last version of the vertical message action bar also had a „forward“ icon, which was very handy as I quite often forwarded emails and have to use the context menu for this. Could you please restore the „forward“ icon in the horizontal message action bar? Thanks!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The bottom navigation view supports 5 actions only, so this is not possible.
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Good morning.

I finally got updated to 1.656 (I know 1.658 is out and horizontal action bar will be returning. I did spend some time with vertical action bar and going back i think was wise choice. Phones are inherently vertical in nature so keeping the width fully deployed is I think better - and avoids the text reformat flow when the bar comes and goes.

1) Message Index Card View is really nice (I use compact view).

2) The folder view could benefit from a compact view as well - too much space for my taste - perhaps because I use compact message index view.

3) Actions bars etc.

The bottom bar has : Previous Trash Snooze Archive Next.

The action bar has: Hamburger-Menu Show-Orig Trash Move Archive Forward Reply-Menu

May I offer a suggestion - use the the bottom bar for the most common /frequently used items.

Bottom Bar: Previous Reply-Menu Hamburger-Menu Trash Next

Reply-Menu is choice of (Reply-All, Reply, Forward).

You might also make Reply-Menu default to Reply-All short press, and menu(reply-all, reply, forward) on long press.

Possibly follow google and move the choice of (reply-all, reply, forward) to the reply window itself.

Action Bar: Show-Orig Archive Snooze ...
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have put a compact folder view to the planned features list:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#planned-features

Please see this FAQ about why your suggestions for the bottom action bar are not possible:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq53

Short/long press reply is not a good idea IMHO.
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
I think I understand the difference between a "conversation" and a "message". And I recognize that even when conversation mode is turned off it is preferable to have a consistent interface.

That said,

Conceptually from the user perspective :

Prev/Next works on either conversation or a message now. As of now, when conversation mode is off - next / prev go to next / prev message which makes sense.

Trash is similar - applies to both.

Similarly, Reply/Reply-All works on either. Same as next/prev no?

and I'd think hamburger menu applies to either.

Forward might be individual message only or could be viewed as "current message in conversation mode" too perhaps. Or as you say it doesn't belong in the bottom bar.

Presumably I'm missing something, but I honestly don't see a problem with these applying equally to conversation and message.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
There is more change that I will remove the individual message view than that the bottom navigation bar will get different functions when showing individual messages. As it is now it works for both conversation and individual message mode, which is good enough for me.
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Thanks marcel.

As of now in bottom bar : Trash, Prev/Next, archive and Snooze apply to either conversation or individual.

I'm only suggesting that reply could be treated the same way as these are now - namely that it applies just as well to either - is it a lot of coding to swap archive or snooze with reply?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
When in conversation mode the question is to which message show be replied.
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
What I would expect as a dumb user is that qhen entire conversation is on screen - reply to the most recent message received - when individual message being viewed then reply to that one.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
What if many people participate in a conversation and you want to reply to a specific message/person?
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Click on that message, and view it - then press reply - replying when viewing individual message from conversation should reply to that message.

When viewing the list of messages in conversation, then reply to the most recent one in the conversation.

i.e. when viewing any individual message reply replies to that one (whether its in a conversation thread or not.

when viewing a list of messages that are part of a conversation thread then reply to most recent.
[Android Apps and Games] maybeme2:
The return to the horizontal bar is a good decision. It looks more 'normal'. Wise choice.
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
I also did a search using play store to see if FairEmai shows up. Searching for email and similar variants FE does not come up (neither does K9 for what its worth). A bunch of totally irrelevant and clearly largely unused apps do show up.

However, searching for PGP, FE (and also k9) show up.

Seems to me, something is odd about the play store indexing. Unless there is some way for you (the developer) to influence the search index.

Since this will be the top email app hopefully that will change soon :D
[Android Apps and Games] revuwa:
Just wanted to point to the post #7804 (with its attachment) again, with the question, if really everyone else is happy with the unread message view?

I personally would prefer a blue (or any other discreet colored) background for unread messages. Am I the only one?

I wanted to say, that I really loved the vertical message action bar and hope I'll get it back in any way, some day...