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[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Read a mail in a conversation with only one message expanded -> back -> see the unified inbox: do not enable collapsing one message

Read a mail in a conversation with multiple messages expanded -> back -> see the conversation thread: do enabled collapsing multiple message

Note the word expanded.

If all messages are already collapsed, back will always leave the conversation.
[Android Apps and Games] jaholm:
Exactly this is the point. If the conversation consists of only *one* mail this is OK.

But there is no way to go back to the conversation thread overview if the conversation consists of multiple messages and only *one* message is expanded.
[Android Apps and Games] :
I just noticed one folder had a a connection error and your FAQ explanation was extremely helpful.

Thankyou for having such a feature and not hiding it.
[Android Apps and Games] redkyng:
Hi, so i'm a new user here, i really wanted the message styles as it's more useful for me, i'm sorry if a lot of users didn't like it.

I just have a small issue as i couldn't change the snooze time from 1 hour to 2.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Yes, there is, enable the 'one' option. Works for me, just tested.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Which error did you had?
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can change the default snooze time in the miscellaneous settings or you can set any snooze time if you use the snooze dialog.
[Android Apps and Games] redkyng:
I couldn't change it in the miscellaneous settings. I couldn't erase the 1 it keeps adding more numbers, i used the snooze dialog instead
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Set the cursor right after the number and you can erase with backspace.
[Android Apps and Games] jaholm:
Yes, what should I say? You are right but then, when your conversation consists of only *one* message you get the conversation overview :( In this case I want the inbox, not the overview of the one message thread.

There is no way to get the wanted behavior.
[Android Apps and Games] :
It was not a fault with FairEmail, but an intentional feature you have.

When a folder fails to connect/sync you provide an explanation as to why that is and that other email clients do not show that.

It's a nice feature to have.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can either choose to collapse one expanded message with back or go to the message list with back. You can't have both conditionally (depending on collapsed messages) because that would be inconsistent and difficult to explain.
[Android Apps and Games] redkyng:
Well no still not working for me, i can send you a video of it if you want, and I'm only using Gboard as my keyboard.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I will see if I can simplify this in the next version.
[Android Apps and Games] redkyng:
Okay thanks!
[Android Apps and Games] TiTiB:
A question about feedback in general, not this subject, per se. Do you see/take in to account 'thanks' given to posts? I ask because I don't usually create a post if I see one that reflects my views: I just hit 'thanks'.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I am assuming that 'thanks' means that you like the feature, update, etc, but I am not actively monitoring XDA thanks.
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Forward as attachment:

On the action bar menu we have forward (which is inline) - missing is forward as attachment (of original message).

This can sort of be accomplished by the following but it is weird:

3 dot action bar menu -> download raw -> send as attachment

This 'send as attachment' brings up the popup send dialog - now you are asked about plain vs encrypt.

Can you find a way to make Forward as attachment as easy as forward inline please?

This is actually pretty useful obviously - esp. when mail headers are required to be forwarded.

thank you!
[Android Apps and Games] TiTiB:
It means 'agree'. In the future I'll be sure to create posts for things I feel strongly about.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Since FairEmail does not store complete messages to save on bandwidth, battery usage and storage space, this is not possible.
[Android Apps and Games] xmiseggs:
When I do a search of emails and FE shows me many coincidences it would be necessary to add to the menu of 3 points "Sort" and all its options.

Another good option would be to be able to clean the words that were used of search and to do it when we want.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Found messages will always be sorted on time.

I will add erasing the search history to the cleanup in the miscellaneous settings.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Sorry, but looks ugly to me
[Android Apps and Games] dctrbnsttr:
New user. Is there a way to filter out read emails in the unified inbox while leaving them visible (not filtering them out) in each individual account's inbox?
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Why is the heading translated as menu item 'Datenschutz', but not the Privacy Policy that opens afterwards?

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Yes, don't use the quick-filter-buttom at the bottem in accounts.
[Android Apps and Games] dctrbnsttr:
Seems to me that however I set the filter options in the account inbox is automatically set that way in the unified inbox. And visa versa. Unless I am missing something.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
That's why I told you to use the Quick-Filter buttons on the foot. ;)
[Android Apps and Games] dctrbnsttr:
I guess I don't know where said quick-filter button is. The buttons I see on the bottom of various inboxes, which are visible when allowing "experimental options", change the filtering options for all inboxes including the unified inbox.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The filter settings are global, so this is not possible.
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
Yes, but with one cklick you can change it in every view how you want.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Because the privacy policy is in English only for now.
[Android Apps and Games] dctrbnsttr:
Defeats the purpose.....

So I see it cannot be done.....

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Thanks for the answer.... I will stop trying to accomplish this.

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Thanks for the answer....... I will stop trying to accomplish this.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have been hesitant to add folder specific filtering and sorting because I am afraid this will result in more support questions.

Do you think this should be added? If so, why?, else why not?

Edit: there are also technical complications, like import/export.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
I didn't see "forward" on the action bar nor any setting for this. Can you please help? Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
In the message action bar at the left you'll find a double arrow icon. This opens the reply menu, which includes forward.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
I was in favor of this earlier and requested this as well here but now I feel it is not required. Reason - this app is pretty much polished and complete in all respects and fine tuning is at the cost of fundamental design goal of simplicity.

Speaking for myself, it's already complex in terms of the customization options it offers and ever since I have not been actively following this thread, there are so many things that changed (for the good).

Enough is enough... Nothing can be perfect and somewhere lines between improvement and personal tastes blur.

Lastly but not leastly, it just keeps adding to the incredible support load you shoulder
[Android Apps and Games] jaholm:
What do you think about a different behavior of "back" and the left arrow button on the top line on the left side while in a conversation?

I suggest:

* tapping on the left arrow button will lead to the (unified) inbox. This is intuitive because right of this arrow the word "conversion" is placed. So the arrow to the left suggest: leaving the conversation.

* tapping on back will collapse according to the settings.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Both types of back should do the same thing.
[Android Apps and Games] dctrbnsttr:
It is helpful for me as it helps me to keep email messages sorted between what I need to see immediately and what I need to keep on my device vs my pc vs the email server.
[Android Apps and Games] sarkast:
I like this and think this is useful. Maybe much more useful if the messages were expanded by default in this view and the buttons and header information (to, from, via, time) were either not shown or shown a different way (integrated with the contact picture). That way less vertical space would be used by each email and the view would look much more like a 'true' messaging view similar to Threema, WhatsApp etc. When selecting an email in this view (maybe long tapping) more actions and details could be shown again.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
There is an option to expand all read messages, which was specifically added for this.

E-mail is not the same as messaging, so the headers need to stay.

Anyway, I am considering to remove this feature again because of the same reason. E-mail is not the same as messaging.
[Android Apps and Games] :
From a business standpoint where I deal with upwards of 100 emails a day, having folder specific search is a necessity when actually searching key terms, to eliminate the risk of pulling too many results.

I find global search to be more pertinent when searching for a emails from various folders and conversations, or when I've completely no idea the key terms I'm searching for.

I'd say I utilise both forms of searches in Office 365 approximately ~10 times a day.
[Android Apps and Games] sethnet:
I like very much the messaging view style in "conversations" but I find most useful when the messages are collapsed. However when expanding a message I would prefer it to occupy the entire width of the screen because in a long text, if you choose to show the images or the original mail, the feeling is that the side space is being wasted.

I'm not sure it can be done, but would it be possible for the messages to be placed only to the left or right while they are collapsed and when they expand, they occupy the whole width?

On the other hand, the appearance of countless bars "duplicate in all, important,... " that I think are linked to using Gmail and occupy the entire width of the screen mess up the view a little.

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[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Searching in a folder will search only in the folder.

Searching in the unified inbox, will search in all folders.

So, there is a folder specific search.

Related FAQ:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq13
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Expanding a message full screen width would not be logical in the messaging style view.

Gmail ...
[Android Apps and Games] sethnet:
Yep, I know it... [emoji17]

Would it be possible that at least in this view style the "duplicate" bars would occupy the same width as the messages?

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[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
IMHO that looks ugly.
[Android Apps and Games] sethnet:
Damn it, Gmail! [emoji28]

Thanks anyway. Great job!

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[Android Apps and Games] sarkast:
Ah, I missed that. Just tried it, but do not like it too much. In a long conversation, it now takes ages to scroll down because each message contains quotes of the whole thread of all previous messages.

So everything expect the main message would have to be stripped, otherwise I am reading the whole thread already by scrolling down only one (the most recent) message. So then maybe there is no point for this view anymore.

You're right, could be that email is too different from messaging.
[Android Apps and Games] ammarr:
Thanks for this. Makes conversation view a lot more useful for me.

I found the messaging style not very useful. The idea is nice; but with message headers and signatures taking up a bunch of space, its not practical. Plus there's lots of wasted space on the sides.
[Android Apps and Games] mcglick:
Vote remove.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

beta

version 1.764

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases
[Android Apps and Games] sarkast:
Does anyone have recommendations for a privacy focused email service? I do not want to self-host, but want to use my own domain. I was considering ProtonMail, but it does not work with FairEmail. Any alternatives?
[Android Apps and Games] selemine:
Often Links in E-mails are not what they look on the outside.

You can have a Link to www.example.com in an HTML Mail but when you click on it you will go through a tracking company first. Sometimes a url shortener is used. Sometimes it is just a phishing url behind it, slightly different or completely off from the original.

How much sense would it make to replace these with the link on the outside of the “envelope“?
[Android Apps and Games] mrrocketdog:
+1 on this. the work youve done thus far is incredible. go easy on marcel [emoji6]. i would think your personal life has suffered quite enough already and this is a fine app as is imho. ty

err on the side of kindness
[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
Well - it is possible I would think - it just means 'forward as attachment' needs to invoke raw download first and then attach and send - no?
[Android Apps and Games] sethnet:
Posteo. Works flawless with FairEmail!

Edit: Sorry, Posteo doesn't allow custom domain [emoji17]

Mailbox is another option with IMAP and custom domains.

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[Android Apps and Games] gc01:
I suspect various people will have various veews about the meaning of 'privacy' in email and/or email service/servers.

My own view is simple - there is the communication between Jill and Jack and there is the storage thereof.

1) The only way to ensure 'privacy' between Jill and Jack, if any network is involved, is to secure the communication itself- for this OpenPGP works a treat and is well supported by FE.

2) The second part is storage - mail may be stored on the email provided servers and on the client recipient and sender computers.

2a) Storage on the server -

if mail is encrypted and only decryptable by appropriate parties this remains secure; unless the server or it's admin's have a way to decrypt. Beware this case for some servers.

If the server is run by someone you trust - then the data is as secure as that trust is in actuality.

If it's your own server then you're probably ok - if the server is storing things in the clear then of course there exists the potential for information to be revealed - I'll ignore that here.

Bottom line - if you do not control the server then the only rational approach is to always encrypt (in practice this is only possible when both Jill and Jack share the techonolgy to do so - e.g. both use OpenPGP.

2b) Storage on client device.

you have control over one end of this

you don't have control over the other end other than by agreement and smiles.

Unless the devices are all well secured and immutable this cannot be guaranteed - e.g. with a very strong Selinux environment that restricts copying or copy/paste of text between insecure contexts etc. Unless you work in a secure facility, this is unlikely to be the case - and no phone app or any personal type device would be permitted anyway

So IIMHO - I'd say,

use OpenPGP - that's your best bet - FE works fine

do not rely on a trust model that trusts 3rd party servers/services. Server doesn't really matter - however if you do run your own that adds a later of protection.

encourage those you communicate with to save drafts and sent mail encrypted and not to decrypt and save. Make sure you do the same.

My Opinion is free and likely of comparable value :)
[Android Apps and Games] fraschi51:
By the way, if some of you are looking for a messenger-like look, you might be in good hands at 'Delta Chat'. They want to achieve a messenger-like look via email protocol and thus reach all users of all other proprietary messengers (if they have email, of course).
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
FairEmail can already remove tracking parameters from links, but if you think more of this should be added, please let me know, pointing to some documentation about how the forwarding works.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
There is a FAQ about this ;)

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-content-faq112
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Raw download is a background operation and forwarding is initiated as a foreground operation.

Android does not allow to start foreground operations from background operations. It would also be odd if you were interrupted minutes later after the download by opening a draft with the attachment.
[Android Apps and Games] Ines*:
Try Settings > Display > Collapse quoted text
[Android Apps and Games] sarkast:
Ah, thank you. There is a setting for everything! It looks much better like that.

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And there is also an FAQ for everything ;)! I am impressed.

Thanks everyone for provider recommendations. Based on gc01's comment, I think I will be looking for a provider that encrypts stored emails on their server (I do not want to self-host) and also be using PGP.
[Android Apps and Games] Licaon_Kter:
No, you are not...
[Android Apps and Games] heinhuiz:
Oh yes I did. Don't call me a liar. I even manually updated repos to check before I decided to ditch F-Droid for this app. I love F-Droid, but I have to agree with [MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION] that their update policy sucks. I'd happily return to use it for FairEmail if you promise me at least daily updates.

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App not found?

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I'm sorry, I don't want to change this thread into a discussion about F-Droid and other stores and repos again. As relevant as they are, as an app like FairEmail proves.
[Android Apps and Games] dorqus:
I have two emails "stuck" in the Outbox, but if I go to gmail they were actually sent. Is there anyway to remove them from the Outbox? Long pressing on them doesn't give me the option to delete the emails. I am running version 0.45.

Thank you [MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION] for adding the auto-update check - very handy!
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I like to know if the messages in the outbox show as read (=sent) or unread (=unsent).

The next version will allow to delete local messages (=sent messages) from the outbox.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
This will be fixed in the next release.

Updated, thanks.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

beta

version 0.46

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/releases

https://play.google.com/apps/testing/eu.faircode.email (can take some time until available)

This version adds undo after swiping to archive/trash/inbox.

Please let me know if you discover a problem or have suggestions for improvements.
[Android Apps and Games] beeshyams:
Finally:good:
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just released

beta

version 0.47

Changelog/download:

https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/releases

https://play.google.com/apps/testing/eu.faircode.email (can take some time until available)

This version was released soon after the previous release to better handle the too many connections error. As a bonus you'll find insert link from clipboard when composing messages.

Please let me know if you discover a problem or have suggestions for improvements.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Since there are frequently questions about (manual) synchronization, I have added some new FAQs about this:

https://github.com/M66B/open-source-email/blob/master/FAQ.md#FAQ16

Pull requests to improve the description and the FAQ are appreciated.
[Android Apps and Games] Sas-3:
[MENTION=2799345]M66B[/MENTION] thx for the updates!

I thought about the message view and here are two suggestions you might eventually consider:

1) Move the star from the contacts-email nearer to subject and body of the mail (see screenshot -> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsBtUmW9CbVC2GcHuKSs3c8jmShA); that way there is a bit more space for a bigger contact-pic. For me, it would be a little more logical (to star the message rather than the contact; in my eyes at least :)

2) perhaps there is a possibility to make the email-address clickable/shareable when it is not found in contacts to create a new one or add it.

Fairemail is great and already my daily driver!:good:

Thanks for your effort!

sas-3
[Android Apps and Games] Licaon_Kter:
I'm not calling you anything, just stating the fact:

* latest version in metadata 0.36

* latest build version 0.36

* latest published version 0.320.36 ( https://f-droid.org/en/packages/eu.faircode.email/ )

You see 0.44? It's not FROM F-Droid, it's just F-Droid client app acknowledging that an app with the same ID is installed....from somewhere.

/LE: 0.36 was published while I was writing this.
[Android Apps and Games] tiktok1:
This app is really coming along nicely, preparing to drop k9 soon.

One observation:

I'm not a fan of unified inbox, so want to switch directly to each inbox. At the moment that involves having to go back and forward via the folders and is quite cumbersome. It would be great to see a list of inboxes rather than folders in the menu.

Thanks for all your hardwork
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Can you please create issues for this on GitHub, so I don't forget about it (I won't be able to work on FairEmail until later this week).
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
You can select which folders are part of the unified inbox. Just select the one folder you want to see only.
[Android Apps and Games] Sas-3:
Is done!

Thank you and best regards,

Sas-3
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have had a report that the autocomplete of contacts doesn't work (contacts permissions were granted). I like to hear if it works for you or not and which device / Android version you are using.

Typing a part of a name or email address in the address fields while composing a message should show a list of possible matches.
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
I have just looked into updates of the JavaMail library and found this in version 1.6.1:

"GH 283	clean up connections when closing IMAPStore"

https://javaee.github.io/javamail/docs/CHANGES.txt

I had added a workaround for closes hanging which might be caused by this and it might also cause the occasionally "connection failure". I will build the next version with JavaMail 1.6.2.
[Android Apps and Games] dorqus:
Auto complete of contacts worked for me in version 0.47

I purchased the pro features but don't seem to be enabled for them anymore. I think I purchased with the play store and I'm now running the GitHub version. I'll uninstall, and reinstall from the play store...
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
Thanks.

Play store purchases will work in the Play store version only. Since this app is about privacy, I don't want to make a connection to the Play store if the app wasn't installed from the Play store.
[Android Apps and Games] dorqus:
Understood - any way to "transfer" my Pro Features then from the Play Store version to the github one then? I can email you the Play Store Receipt if you wish.
[Android Apps and Games] selemine:
There is no way to get the original link in my example without asking the server and get you tracked because it is nowhere inside the link:

https://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=ROajF&m=1h7a2yzlabAC3EL&b=Nui23Ju8LN2LATKkr5zE7g

It is more about : known tracking company->replace link by link description, if domain inside the link doesn't match the domain in the description, warn so that clicking "www.paypal.com" won't end up at "www.paypa1.com"
[Android Apps and Games] M66B:
The question is: what is a known tracking company? I am not able to maintain a list, support and development already takes enough time.

Replacing the link description is not always desirable, so this should be done selectively. The questions is only what is selectively? One character different? The tld (top level domain) different? Ideas?