[Shift General] pharao:
Sorry Mister, but that's just not true.

Vista DOES NOT WORK FINE on the HTC Shift and I simply say that your >90 secs to start up< claim is flat out wrong, lest you have never actually used Windows Vista heavily on that system - ergo you got an almost "virgin" box.

I did use Vista heavily and because of that I can vouch for the fact that both Vista's Index function as well as its continued SW updates in the background end up slowing the Shift down to a crawl.

Putting Vista on the Shift was one of the biggest screw ups HTC committed with that system (there were others), and I start to find the claims of certain users that their Vista works "just fine" (and a guy in this thread even wants to install Windows 7 on his Shift) laughable.

Hey, back in the day I was running a fully functional PC software emulator on my Amiga 1000 computer.

I could run DOS, I could run BASIC and even compile my Pascal sources on it. And I'm sure I bragged a lot about those feats in some BBS along the line of: "My Amiga can emulate a fully functional PC. Where is the PC that can emulate an Amiga?!!"

I just "forgot" to mention that it took my trusty Amiga about 15 minutes just to finish loading the most basic DOS program and compiling anything on that emulator took more than just divine patience - it took an act of God and about a thousand years on top of that to ever finish.

The same goes for Vista (or heaven forbid Windows 7) on the HTC. They just don't work for serious work PERIOD.

Anyone who claims that he can load MS-Office or browse an image folder with a few hundred pics in any decent speed with Vista on the Shift is just plain making it up.

After I finally(!) managed to get Windows XP running on my HTC Shift I got somewhat of a decent speed now, but as soon as I had installed some real "work software" on the XP side, the startup delayed itself for over a minute.

You might seem to think that 90sec startup time is fast, but when you are waiting at an airport boarding line and want to check your e-mail quickly, 90secs to boot up is just way to slow. And once that gets even slower, you can just as well forget about it.

They'll be calling in the last stragglers before then.

And with the HTC's abysmal battery life, just keeping that thing running all the time is not an option.

My Ubuntu boots in less than 40 seconds to a usable screen, and I still think that's (to) slow.

People should be honest about these issues, or they'll never get fixed.

Topics like these should not be about bragging rights - "oh see, I got a corporate database running on my HTC!"

If I wanted to, I could squeeze an entire Web Archive on my Shift, but it would be less painfull to just shoot myself in the foot.

Vista never belonged on that thing, neither does Windows 7.

W/o at least Windows XP on the PC side of the Shift, its not usable for practical work.

And for sheer bragging rights that thing was just way too expensive (maybe wlchuccc's pockets are deeper than mine).

Only in Ubuntu does the Shift develop any kind of acceptable response time *and* flexibility.

But unfortunately POV's drivers won't integrate in any of the newer Ubuntu releases and I couldn't even find the sources to compile them myself.

So for now I'm stuck with 8.04 and can only hope that won't come back to haunt me - I need that unit for work and where I'm working being slow and just going for another cup of coffee is not an option.

PS: About the post above, the Shift's USB port is to weakly powered for a fully functional CD/DVD writer. I had the same problems burning a CD-RW with it.

As long as I was just burning a normal CD it worked. But as soon as I tried to burn an RW or a DVD, the burner wanted more Wattage and the Shift just couldn't provide

it and thus the resulting discs were all complete garbage!