yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scm2ejm:
I was thinking... what if HTC had every intention of supplying the drivers when the devices were being developed, but after they started manufacturing them they had stability issues and thats the reason they crippled it, to stop it crashing. If the qualcomm chip really is as powerful as the psp/ps2 as they said then its got to generate a fair amount of heat, and when you consider how slim the kaiser is when the keyboard is slid out this could be an issue.

I know there are a few other devices out there which the same ati/qualcomm chip but maybe they just haven't got the manufacturing process right yet but thought they would sell the devices to us anyway to keep the $ rolling in.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fredchung:
I would like to know that, how/where can I get the full ROM dump of p6500? Would someone tell me how to get it? Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] twisted:
maybe you could ask danillo here
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] danillo:
HTC p6500

hey i got a htc 6500

i donno how to dump a rom but if its stil needed if somebody can explain it to me i can do it

Mobile 6 5.2.1622(Build 18128.0.4.4)

DUTCH

ROM version: 1.10.404.3

Rom date 01/22/08

Radioversion 1.58.21.23

Protocolversion 25.65.30.04H

At boot:

M 06

B 02

R.1.58.21.23

G 25.65.30.04H

D1.10
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] shafez:
The link to the P6500 Roms have been posted some where in the forum.

Regards
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fredchung:
Really? I can't find it......Would you mind to tell me where?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mikeeey:
how many people think this is gonna be the whole LG KS20 thing all over again? chainfire or something tries to get the drivers to work but it just wont. that would suck..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ray.andy:
You gotta think positive ! Something is different with the P6500 (Said to be faster video etc) if its not a driver then maybe a piece of software.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mikeeey:
yea i know, im normally an optimistic person, but it just worried me when people said they were needing to hard reset, and getting similar results that chainfire was.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
i am just curious....has anyone ripped the new test AT&T rom to see if the ati driver is in it....may not be the p6500 driver but it may be the one for kaisers a like.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Azrael Masters:
Could this behavior because of this: http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/03/488934.aspx ?

I mean that KAISER isn't booting up after your driver update.

Hope it helps.

Good Luck! :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
Wouldn't it be easier just to flash and benchmark the ROM? :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
I have SDKCerts.cab cooked in along with Security Policy 0101a set to disabled.

The problem could be simply that the P6500 has a 3.5" screen, while the Kaiser has a 2.8" screen. Or one of a thousand possible other issues. I'm going to leave it to the ASM/driver gal/guy (s) to figure that one out :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Mikulec:
Do u know if some "gal/guy" is working on this issue?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
here is the one date 9-10-07 is from new at&t rom

the other is the one alex posted
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
According to the stickied thread in the Kaiser general forum, I believe a gal and a guy are waiting on donations for devices. I haven't really read through the entire 600+ post thread :rolleyes:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Mikulec:
They were waiting for the device two months ago. I thought you are in contact with them.

Ok, thanks for the info.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Akya:
so wait are you saying that the new ddi is actually in the new rom? i wonder what the benchmarks will say...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mccune:
I hope this is 'just' a software thing. Then I'm sure someone will break this. If it's a hardware issue then I think we're screwed :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rev3nant:
Anyone tried DDI from previous page? Or is it same as before?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
See this post for AT&T WM6.0 1.62 tweaked results.

See this post for AT&T WM6.1 3.14 stock results.

As far as I'm concerned, this pretty much means that the WM6.1 3.14 DDI.DLL tweaked would probably would perform at the same rate as the tweaked WM 6.0 1.62 DDI.DLL.

So, let's all get back on topic and think good thoughts for the P6500 DDI.DLL :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] paulobrien:
Just a heads up on this, I used dependency walker to find the dependent DLLs and put them all into a CAB.

Sure enough, on reboot, hang at the HTC logo :(

P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Meos:
Well if it was that easy tot make the driver compatible with the Cruise, HTC would have made the changes and released the whole thing themselves. So my guess is that it gonna take a whole lot more hacking/fidling to make this work.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] draxredd:
@meos : HTC is trying to artificially fragment a market in order to increase earnings. they are perfectly technically able to fix the kaiser situation, but it wouldn't make sense from a marketing standpoint. Of course they won't put it that straight, but their latest and greatest PR answer is anything but clear regarding that :"you want video acceleration ? buy another of our products".

ps:So you see, HTC released drivers for msm7200 acceleration before end of march.

warning: post may contain minute traces of irony.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ceevee369:
if one of the Pro's would leave a message that they see a 75% success possible, I am more than willing to provide them 100 US $ support fee to purchase a piece to test.

Some others who would like to join?

This tech talk about DDI.dll goes above my flashing capabilities, so I put my believe in the best of the best here @XDA :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hidavi:
Erm, I can give $5...

And yes, I also believe that HTC left out the drivers on purpose, not because they couldnt put them in.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mimoracer:
danillo can you please tell me how is the performance of the device like the camera is there any lag in dam light and coreplayer benchmark
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] manaaa:
write a PM to chainfire, he will sure help you

http://xdaforums.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=631273
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fisha21:
Both test ROMs and OEM ROM dumps have already been posted in this very thread.

Test ROMS

OEM ROM

The OEM ROM version is

ROM: 1.10.405.3

Radio: 1.58.21.23

Those asking whether to dump their ROMs: check your ROM version (Start>Settings>System>Device Information). Unless you have a different ROM version, there is no point (even then, it is dubious if it is worth the effort).

As for how to dump, no need to PM anyone at this stage. Full instructions are readily available here. Give it a try.

:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ericmcintire:
Hey man... have you run a benchmark yet? I'm curious to see if you get the same scores that todo did.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] thimiost:
is there any hope?

is it possible to get the drivers from sedna?

i almost have abandoned hope
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] htc kaiser2007:
I Need ATI Drivers

Hi, Please, where i find a part1?

Mailou
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] maati:
No, because there are no drivers, as the benchmarks show. Sedna is not faster than Kaiser. The only Sedna that eventually had real power was a preproduction unit, but those benchmarks could also be a mistake or fake.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] majaelx:
just rubish talk

i am a junnior member :p but u saw me posting my opinions or other rubish in this thread

Leave the profesional to post here

By the way any luck
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lilbucky:
anything new yet? im dying to get my kaiser running smoothly
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] maati:
This is why there WON'T be any good news here!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Kavalier:
What about the todosmartphone rom?

any progress with getting our hands on it?

also has anyone contacted dpubli about his rom dump?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] surgex0:
AFAIK todo hasn't responded to me or anyone else that sent them a msg or email since their initial post here.

Too bad...I'm guessing the benchmarks were fake.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hambola:
Yeah I'm claiming error, fake, or something specific about that preproduction model and we're not gonna get it. The issue has pretty much fizzled out.

The greater issue of the video drivers seems to be the same thing. No word from HTC on anything and it's mid april. HTCClassAction is almost defunct. Whatever...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] andret:
Datasheet??

What's up with Qualcomm - Has anyone tried to get the datasheet from them?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] FlaTEriC18041983:
I'm agreeing, but why would they have published fake benchmarks, with which aim? todosmartphone.com is just a forum as well, why would they profit from such fake benchmarks?

Other perhaps silly question: isn't their another source (smartphone related journal, or other forums) who had a test device for benchmarks where we could get such a preproduction sedna ROM. If there really was a difference between preproduction and shipped Sedna, there is surely more than one preproduction device, isn't there?

Just a thought though, else hope is dwindling :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] FloatingFatMan:
Personally, I suspect that ToDo's benchmarks were legit, but that HTC got wind of their intention to dump the ROM and give it to use guys, and put a stop to it. They might have been just winding us up, but more likely they got strong armed by HTC themselves.

Not that we'll ever be able to prove it.

Never mind... There are other alternatives to HTC out there folks. Some of whom have some REALLY good kit coming soon.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] MB300E:
ye sadly it seems like we have to leav HTC if we want to use the hardware thats provided with the chip.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] frag999:
Other than the I-mate Ultimate 8502 & 9502 and Toshiba G910 & G810, are there any other devices that will be using the same chipset? I've heard the 8502 has a clunky interface, and I've seen a youtube video of G910 and it looked clunky too. I guess that doesn't prove anything, but I think the best bet might be the Xperia X1 from Sony and made by HTC.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] austinsnyc:
my 2 cents... HTC ships souped up units for preproduction testing the reason for this is simplè, sell more units when it ships since the reviews have been so wonderful. why would places like todo do something like this? because they want to stay on HTC's good side so they can have the review of the next big thing!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] FlaTEriC18041983:
Well I can follow so far, didn't think else, but would Todo have been the only ones to get such a preproduction device?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RustyGrom:
Qualcomm is still fighting the massive patent lawsuit with Broadcom. One of the patents under question is for Video integration and specifically mentions the MSM7200 and 7500. If they start supplying these drivers, it would only further exacerbate their legal problems. The judge ordered that they could keep shipping the products but would have to pay royalties. One of the possibilities is that by not enabling the video acceleration through drivers, they don't have to pay these royalties.

It's my presumption that HTC has these drivers and has placed them in preproduction devices for good reviews but is not allowed to ship the drivers to consumers due to the legal/royalty issues.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Rayan:
If this is the case then the SonyEricsson Xperia X1 will face the same video driver problems unless SE pays the royalties?

What about the other HTC out there with video acceleration?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RustyGrom:
Nope. The X1 uses the MSM7200A which sidesteps the patent issues (not sure how but it does).

What other HTC devices have video acceleration? And when did they come out? Theres a good post over at PPCGeeks about the patent crap if you're so inclined. http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=217900&postcount=18

Basically Qualcomm isn't allowed to support the MSM7x00 anymore.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Rayan:
Well the P6500 is a HTC device isn't it? :)

Darn, I had my hopes on the X1 drivers... Geez! :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RustyGrom:
Yea and the p6500s shipped to consumers didn't include the drivers. If my (and others) hunch that the p6500 review units included the drivers and production models do not it is extremely shady and probably illegal. Maybe we should email the judge in the patent case and ask him to rethink his ruling and order HTC and Qualcomm to give us drivers?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Dangerously:
Why would this be "illegal"? It is a preproduction unit and things can be changed before the release of the product. Nothing on a preproduction product is said to be set in stone.This is mostly why Tom's Hardware has stopped benchmarking unofficial released products. If they do benchmark an unreleased product, they give a disclaimer and revisit upon official release.

Edit: after reading the article from ppcgeaks.com, I can see why you think this may be "illegal". But if the lawsuit stated that a product cannot be "sold" with Broadcom patents, was the preproduction sold?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dperren:
I'm pretty sure it would come under "bait and switch". HTC would clearly have had no intention of releasing the device with drivers, and yet shipped a unit with drivers, knowing that it would be reviewed and benchmarked favourably. It would be far more than simply revising product specifications prior to release.

Of course, we have absolutely no evidence that this is the case.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RustyGrom:
I'm no lawyer so take my opinion for it's worth... not much :). But yea, you're probably right. It would probably be next to impossible to make a case on those grounds only. But I would think it would be further evidence in the larger cause (www.htcclassaction.org). Either way, it's definitely shady. Would be nice if we could get our hands on that device/rom and find out for once and for all though.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mandaryn:
All this is nice, but....

While this whole discussion about patents, intent vs. ambiguity, and whether we could all sue the **** out of HTC, is swell, the real point of the greater conversation..as it relates to this post...is "How are we all gonna get some of those illegal f@*kn drivers into the Windows folder of our Kaiser's!!"

We can be real pissed at HTC for doin'us so dirty, but I suspect, if they'd had the option of releasing a better device, they would have. If by some chance one of the talented reverse engineers of our community manages to get at these drivers, we'll all be better off. I really think demanding drivers through legal pathways will only end in doing damage to the company that's made 3 of the best phones I've ever had. HTC, in my estimation, deserves to be a viable company. Thay've given us some truly kick-ass devices, and should get paid for that. Admitedly, the Kaiser is less than what it could be. But really, every HTC phone I've ever bought was "slightly less" than what it

could

be...at least until I flashed one of the ROMs I found here..

We should direct our energy toward finding that one device...somewhere in some blogsters desk drawer...that has the drivers we need to cook, and distribute, in mass quantity, for no money, to every willing seeker with a Qualcom chip in their phones.

Since I have neither the drivers, nor the skills to manipulate them (at least right now anyway) I have only one method of supporting the cause left to me;

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ CASH CONTRIBUTION $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

To the guy/girl that manages to make this collective dream a reality...I got $50 worth of thankyou's right here! Not to mention my sincere respect, for donating your time and effort to something like this.

Screw the lawyers of the world. I have better things to do than help those bastards get rich. Lets get some drivers!!!!! No one's gonna give em to us.

What Life Fails to Provide, You must take for yourself!!!

- mandaryn(2008) (how profound!)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Akya:
Wait so the drivers are illegal for qualcomm to supply to htc because broadcom makes the same processor? Or am I missunderstanding the situation? Cause if so lets get the drivers from broadcom? is this what we have bcm2153?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] neilson:
Yeah let's contact Broadcom. Maybe they'll help us.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RustyGrom:
lol no. Qualcomm just violated patents.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rev3nant:
This is one of the most retarded threads I've seen to date :/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Martinjv71:
Then go find the drivers yourself and show everyone how it is done retard.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] KALSTER:
Screw this....I'm getting the E90.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] coolVariable:
If that is the case why doesn't HTC mply say so?

Point their finger at Qualcomm and say "Their fault!"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] swtaltima:
:D nice one
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] testppc:
Actually there are 2D/3D games running on the Brew platform and provided by KDDI in Japan. Those phones are powered by MSM7500 and have driver accelation, are these drivers 'LEGAL'?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rev3nant:
Martinjv71,

Too bad you take this so childishly. But flaming for hundreds of pages in several subforums with posts like "where can I get the drivers?", "let's sue HTC!", etc., isn't going anywhere and people don't seem to get it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ponicg:
Actually, this is the exact goal of a forum - collaboration.

That sounds like exactly what we're doing. It looks to me like people are trying every possible method, and even coming up with new(and novel) ways of trying to get drivers. Any judge worth his/her salt is going to throw out any legal action unless we've exhausted all other avenues of opportunity. We need hard facts and blatant denials before we can move forward with any lawsuit. Your attitude, frankly, disappoints me. It reeks of defeatism and arrogance - your opinion (and that is exactly what it is, an opinion... just like mine) - is yours and you're free to voice it. However, you cross the line when you insult or demean contributing members of these groups. I am not a moderator, but you should consider being a bit more... diplomatic in your comments.

This thread, and others like it, are the reason we've had AKUs implemented on our devices, as well as updates from WM5 to WM6 to WM6.1. This just goes to show you that forums in general, and threads like this can and do work. Just be patient.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fisha21:
Actually, I'm much more interested in this comment than the above semantic discussion.

Any more info about this? What do you mean by driver acceleration? Which devices are in use? Any feedback about general usability in these devices?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RustyGrom:
More importantly, what OS do they run? If it's not WM, it's of no use.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
Funny part about all of this is Qualcomm has always provided BREW hardware acceleration, and WM was the bastard, red-headed, step-daughter. This is why I heard the Verizon Voyager has hardware-acceleration for its msm7200 cpu.

The problem is the BREW stuff is difficult to get/download, and the interface is very different from WM that it hasn't been easy to browse the machine code.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Akya:
which patents would that be? because if they use the imagieon xl then couldnt their drivers be used?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] FlaTEriC18041983:
don't know much about it, but following this thread since first post, I also really would like to know more about this device, hopefully using hardware accel. with WM, so please, more details about it!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] testppc:
Those phones aren't WM devices, but they can show hardware acceleration in the games.

http://edageek.com/2007/10/19/kddi-qualcomm-kcp/

screen shots of the games

http://gnn.gamer.com.tw/5/29115.html

doc from qualcomm about brew. u can find the string 'DX7 driver' in it

http://brew.qualcomm.com/bnry_brew/pdf/brew_2007/Tech-303_Ligon.pdf
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DarkDvr:
bump..

keeping this topic on the first page.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fisha21:
So this KCP+ encompasses the OS also. I guess non-Windows based drivers aren't going to be much use.

Difficult to tell much about video accel from static screenshots, but Resi Evil on my phone? Yes please!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] coolVariable:
There are two lawfirms mentioned in the HTCClassAction thread that are specialized in these kind of class action lawsuits.

We are currently looking for someone to be the point man for everyone on xda dev regarding the issue.

Any takers?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] badaas:
hmmm, i'm not sure about the drivers being written but not legally available, cos if i was HTC, I'd ensure these drivers got 'leeked' and therefore deemed as 'stolen' and released into the wild by a non legit source, so then HTC couldn't be blamed for any subsequent lawsuits due to the drivers being available, if that makes sense! But, they had the perfect opportunity with the pre-pro sedna via Todos, but nothing has materialised :/

Or am I just too naive for this big corp. workings?

anyways, i hope all your passions get some rewards soon, and not later when the next-gen phones again start coming out ...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
Anybody want to email q3d.support@qualcomm.com (from a NON-Broadcomm infringing country), or sign up at the www.speqg.com, to see if it responds with something usable?

Probably already been tried, but throwing it out there.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] thimiost:
i think that we will never see the drivers

THEY (htc) took them out even from their new device?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Akya:
what country would that be?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
Anything but the USA generally going by how it's a US judge that has barred product imports, and I haven't read the equivalent for other countries.