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[Shift General] rustamb:
I experience in ubuntu battery drains 10 minutes faster than in vista. I also notice that CPU temp is high and fans never get as slow as in vista, they are always running loud in ubuntu. ACPI on ubuntu works well, fan is adjusted to CPU temp in ubuntu, I hear that fans slow down and speed up from time to time, but they never get as silent as they do in vista. So I think this is just because of ubuntu is more CPU hungry (at least my configuration is). My shift is cooler in vista than in ubuntu. I'm a bit concerned with this, cause I personally like ubuntu, but since it hits up the cpu temp, fans are always on and it drains the battery then it could reduce the lifetime of the Shift. Anyone else experienced high fan speed and cpu temp in ubuntu? Could someone solve this issue?

On some other forums I read that, maybe ubuntu hits fans on less temperatures than vista does, that's why in vista fans are more quite, but I dont think this is the case, because in vista device is cooler also, so this is not the sensors temperature threshold issue.

Could someone put light on this subject, please?

I run hardy 8.04 without desktop effects (no compiz) and no programs running except some applets, but again fan speed is higher than in vista, and device itself is hotter...
[Shift General] rustamb:
In gconf-editor under apps->g-p-m->ui changed "show cpufreq" to true. After that in g-p-m preferences window cpu governance options become available. I set them both to powersave and now cpu runs at 600MHz speed, it is enough for me and for ubuntu. Cpu temp is not so high, and during startup and while idle, if I do not use laptop, cpu temp goes down to ~45c and fans are turned off. When I start working temp becomes ~60-65c and fans again on.

I've got +5 minutes to battery life, but again it's much less than in vista. In vista with 600MHz and fans off I get ~3 hours.

In "top" I don't see any cpu time consuming process. Can't find what causes cpu temp to pump and why even with 600Mhz I get no more than +5 minutes to battery life :confused:
[Shift General] pof:
For those having battery issues try running 'powertop' as root, then apply all the suggestions to lower the power consumption. I'm getting about 2h 35m battery life in ubuntu with normal usage, and 2h 50m if i lower the brightness and don't use the 3G, wifi, etc.
[Shift General] rustamb:
It gave me only one suggestion to increase writeback from 5 to 15 seconds, I did that, but it doesn't make much difference... Could you please share with us your configuration?
[Shift General] rustamb:
What cpu temp do you get normally? Are your htc shift fans always on? In vista they turn off when idle...
[Shift General] rustamb:
I experienced the same on my laptop. It happened after some upgrade, I don't remember exactly which packages were affected... so this is an ubuntu general issue and has nothing to do with Shift's wifi, IMHO. With 7.10 WEP 64/128 worked on the same laptop, and 8.04 also worked until THAT upgrade. I was not able to solve this issue and just changed my router settings to WPA :rolleyes:. WPA works fine ubuntu 8.04.
[Shift General] rustamb:
try booting from liveCD before installing. You will certainly face some partitioning issues during installation and could accidentally delete your recovery partition (which is the only copy of your fresh os, there are no official downloads for all languages and no recovery CD).

Try this

kubuntu

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/05/15/usb-kubuntu-804-persistent-install-via-the-live-cd/

ubuntu

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/05/08/usb-ubuntu-804-persistent-install-via-the-live-cd/

to create ubuntu "Live USB". All changes and files will remain on USB flash drive. Play with it, and when you think you are ready, install it as second OS. I didn't boot my Shift into Vista for a month, but still didn't drop that partition just in case.
[Shift General] rustamb:
could someone please help me with battery usage and cpu temp problem I stated above in thread id 73 and 74. thanks in advance
[Shift General] rustamb:
I found this article, briefly describes tasks involved in reducing power consumption.

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_reduce_power_consumption

I did all I could do. Again, I can't get more than 1 h 55m battery life. Pof, how did you manage to get 2h 35m when working and 2h 45m when idle?!?!? Maybe I should move to north pole, they say it's cold there...
[Shift General] ShiroiKuma:
Making voice calls from the Ubuntu side

This might be asking the obvious, but since you can connect to the WinCE side and use the GSM etc module, has anyone been successful in making phone calls from the Linux side.

I realize it'd probably be uncomfortable to hold it up against your head, but just curious if it can be done under linux without using a BT headset or what have you.
[Shift General] rustamb:
On linux side we see only ethernet device connected by USB and that interface acquires IP address from WM. Just like if you would connect your WM phone to laptop by USB. So we can make data calls but voice calls not, maybe one day we will have custom ROM that would allow us to make voice calls from WM. In general WM and linux are running on 2 different platforms, which are sharing some resources between each other (keyboard, mouse, monitor), but the only connection interface between them that I'm aware of is USB connection. Please, fix me if I'm wrong.
[Shift General] carolusx:
Anyone got the Xserv to display virtual 1024*768 on the shift running ubuntu 8.4?

If so can U please post your xorg.conf file?

I've tried the one that febelus posted but no luck :(
[Shift General] idonxda:
Microphone stopped working

Same here microphone doesn't work anymore now.Any suggestion please how to get this work

Thanks
[Shift General] Emblema:
snapvue working whit linux?

For example, im job whit ubuntu, it's possible im use mobile phone and sms ?

Tank for you working

EDIT

Sorry, im newbie in htc shift, the other pda on HTC case is only one system!!

It's ok, tank you POF for your job.
[Shift General] lucid:
Ubuntu Mobile Released

FROM UMPC PORTAL

http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/09/ubuntu-mobile-edition-news-and-first-boot-video/

One of the Canonical mobile team members released details of a new distribution based on Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid) aimed at ‘MIDs’ with screen sizes from 7-9

It appears to be based on Ubuntu Mobile, the Moblin 1.0-based distro that works on Silverthorne and Poulsbo but it obviously works on older hardware too. I doubt it’s going to work as smoothly for other UMPC hardware but the core is defiantly looking good and the app suite is nicely tailored for the screen and even has 3D effects built in! If people start to work out the changes needed for other devices they can feed these back into Ubuntu and the devices will be supported automatically at the next Ubuntu release

------

Would this be any new starting point for linux on the Shift ? Any experiences yet ?
[Shift General] saiweb:
I have tried to explore the TAPI on the vista side, but it was not fruitful. I am able to make data calls and also VOIP through Skype, but not the mobile phone emulator.

Thanks

Ram
[Shift General] Pfeffa-rah:
Problems

Hi this weekend I installed a big HDD and tried ubuntu.

I installed it on its own partition.

All went rather smooth until I wanted to install the htcshift-easy-setup stuff.

At this point you must understand that I am a real Linux-noob. I am not afraid to try anything and I am old enough to have worked extensively with a command line interface in the past. (yes I mean DOS). But there are a lot of things I don't know/understand. Not the least of them is the mounting process stuff....

I encountered the following problems:

1. Ubuntu didnot mount the USB stick at all. Something about not having rights?

It did recognise my SD card, so I used that and of course altered the commands accordingly.

It worked. However I still couldn't use ANY USB sticks :(

2. The rotate screen function using the button also changed the workspace.

So it changed to the right workspace and then rotates.. How do I change that?

3. I really need a higher resolution. many of the config-windows just don't fit on the screen.

4. I couldn't get the WLAN to connect using a 64BIT-HEX WEP encription. (yes it's an old router) Only when I disabled the WEP on the router, it would connect...

5. The touchscreen is very jerky (only moves about 4 times per seccond). Not a big problem but verry anoying.

6. I really can't make heads or tails out of the disk mounting system. Using the CD and DIR / LS commands I manage, but I don't understand.

Where can I find some clear and understandable info about this?

(And CD is an old DOS command. Is there a real linux command for that?)

I hope you can help me here.

greetz,

Peffa-rah
[Shift General] sniveri:
anyone played with HaRET on shifts WM-side?
[Shift General] alazarid:
I think that you should read the following

http://www.linuxlots.com/~jam/

it says a lot of things about generic linux stuff and searching in ubuntu forums you may find also a lot of things about the distribution.

Regards
[Shift General] batghost:
I really need 1024x600 working n my joystick is reverse

i have done all in pof site

1. i just need better resolution

2. why my joystick is doing reverse, when i watch pof's youtube playing tuxracer, my accelerometer doing excatly opposite
[Shift General] alazarid:
Neither I can get resolution that high.

I have tried almost everything with no luck.

And I cant understand what you mean with "joystick"

Regards
[Shift General] Pfeffa-rah:
Yes, That is really helpfull thx!

Some chapters are not there but mounting is a lot clearer for me now.

Any hints on problems 1-5?

@alazarid

I think he means the G-sensor that can be used as a joystick.

(hmmm, I think of other thing when I hear the words Joystick and G-spot eh.. sensor in one sentence.... Never thought of using my shift like that before..)

greetz,

Pfeffa-rah
[Shift General] alazarid:
I did not had any problems with the usb sticks they where mounted auto without a problem.

about the touch screen if you discard the issue that it does not go to the edges of the screen (all around about 0,5 cm) then it works okay.

Regards

Aris
[Shift General] nvmkpk:
Screen Rotation?

Those of you who installed linux in shift, has anyone tried to rotate the screen (making the shift work in portrait mode)? If it works in linux, then we can hope for a solution in vista.

I have been using linux a while back and had good in depth idea of the video works but now I haven't used it since few years and forgot most of it. I would appreciate if anyone can try this. This is one of the biggest thing that is stopping me from buying it.
[Shift General] mephi:
Screen rotation works fine for me.

I don't think I've done anything different, it just works.
[Shift General] nvmkpk:
You mean in linux right? Thats good news. Now I have another reason to buy it. Thanks.
[Shift General] Emblema:
Xubuntu is very fast, cellwriter is very usefully application, all hardware is ok, I don't now gps, my question is:

Ubuntu MID (intrepid) is very good for htc shift?

It's possible?

Bye
[Shift General] Pfeffa-rah:
It didn't for me...(Ubuntu 8.04)

It Rotated allright, but I couldn't use it. Just the top part and the touchscreen didn't work properly.

Together with USB issue it resulted in going back to Vista :(

I will try Xubuntu and maybe The mobile version and definitely XP when i have the time.

greetz,

Pfeffa-rah
[Shift General] WorldIRC:
I've followed the tutorials to the dot and it simply won't find the ISO to install the OS. What the heck am I doing wrong? I really wanna throw this thing out the window.
[Shift General] WorldIRC:
Ok I've got everything up and running.

When will the drivers be updated to work with the newer kernels like 2.6.24-21
[Shift General] vulcan_gr:
test MID link: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mobile/releases/hardy/
[Shift General] WorldIRC:
Just got the 3G working via Synce in linux! How do the linux geeks do it!
[Shift General] Emblema:
New updates: kernel 2.6.24.21

Hi,

one question, the POF tools working in the new kernel?

Bye

POF your blog is offline ?

( time 15:30 )

Ok im installing updates

new kernel is first boot selection, starting...

after enter to directory htcshift-heasy-setup/htcshift-modules/ and enter this command:

cp -fr 2.6.24-19-generic 2.6.24-21-generic && cd .. && sudo ./install.sh kernel

press enter to rebooting..

after reboot...

first boot after this operation, all POF-hack function except wifi !!

touchscreen is OK

BT is OK

shiftbuttons is OK

rotatescreen is OK

egalaxy (application for calibration) not compare in the menu

suspend is OK

wifi not work
[Shift General] Emblema:
Another problem, this in all kernel, microphone not workink in all applicfations, you have a suggestions ?
[Shift General] WorldIRC:
I get no such directory found for v21 of the kernel?? I have the kernel installed though! I also have to sudo everything or I get "no permission".
[Shift General] Emblema:
directory ''htcshift-heasy-setup'' is result to untar ''POF packet'', she is not present if you not have downloaded and compiled in another kernel! :-)

If you not have, downloaded from the pofHQ and untar, after..

''enter to directory htcshift-heasy-setup and after enter to directory htcshift-modules/ and after enter this command:''

cp -fr 2.6.24-19-generic 2.6.24-21-generic && cd .. && sudo ./install.sh kernel

sorry for my bad english
[Shift General] WorldIRC:
Not sure I understand 100%...anyone else understand? Thanks for your help Emblema!
[Shift General] Emblema:
Ok ok, english is very problem for me.

In linux ubuntu kernel 2.6.24-19-generic (standard kernel in hardy installation) this tools is very important:

http://pof.eslack.org/HTC/shift/htcshift-easy-setup-v1.2.tar.bz2

Put and after

$ sudo tar jxvfp /media/disk/htcshift-easy-setup-v1.2.tar.bz2

after

$ cd htcshift-easy-setup

run ./install.sh kernel and you htc shift work

after you, update your system, first kernel in grub is new kernel 2.6.14-21-generic, htc not working!!

You return in htcshift-easy-setup directory (remember ?) and after enter to directory htcshift-modules

after.....

cp -fr 2.6.24-19-generic 2.6.24-21-generic

after.....

cd ..

after .....

sudo ./install.sh kernel

Is very simple mode, you copy module for kernel 2.6.24-19 and insert in new directory 2.6.24-21

You run install.sh, pof script go and install all module except wifi (for this new compilation)

bye and sorry
[Shift General] WorldIRC:
Got it!!!!!!!!
[Shift General] hetallerbeste:
When will the new drivers will be available?
[Shift General] joy.d:
hmm, i have a permission denied too with x.x.x.21 Kernel.

Maybe there someone, who can expand POF´s script for easy using with x.x.x.21 Kernel ;-) ??

btw. If I want to download htcshift-easy-setup-v1.2.tar.bz2 with Windows XP, then I became a File with the File Extension .*.tar.tar. Is that normally? maybe some Linux unprofessionals (like me) don´t know why they can`t extract the file with the commands

on POF´s Homepage :-) ??

BG

Joy
[Shift General] Emblema:
Hello,

extension exactly is xxxxx.tar.bz2, for exctrat you use in linux command in the POF's HQ.

rember you to use sudo command before make install file

for example:

sudo ./install.sh kernel

sudo is a command for administrative use.

Bye
[Shift General] joy.d:
uiui :-) thanks, that the Problem of all ;-) uhhh :-) (shame)

It works now fine, but no USB Mouse working after POF´s script and the Touchscreen ist not really calibrated. ;-)

I cleaned the shift completly and installed Ubuntu with the Live CD from USB CDROM.

But I think, it is to hard to learn Linux on a shift - if there the basic devices not work primary ;-)

Puhhh :-)

I try now the new Ubuntu version 8.10 beta ;-)

maybe there is some other ;-)

http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta
[Shift General] Emblema:
Im whait 30 october for official release and try, because in the beta stage it's very instable !!

Touchscreen work, you make to terminal Touchkit whitout sudo, this open a tools for calibration screen!

Bye
[Shift General] joy.d:
oki, pls tell us your experience ;-)

I finished now with ubuntu, that´s not my way and install now WXP TPC Edition :-)

Thak a lot for your help :-))
[Shift General] Emblema:
Pls send me a Pm, whit defect or malfunction by shift whit WXP TPC

Tank you for sharing (maybe)
[Shift General] joy.d:
all work fine with wxp german tpc edition. now i´m make a upgrade to sp3 and then we will see. I think the fingerprint drivers not really optimal, there should have a look to FSC (Fujitsu) alternative Drivers from Lifebook P7020, or P7120 or P8010)

But when you don´t use Fingerprint, no Problem.

I use this description:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=436982&highlight=wlan+xp

But some drivers I take originaly from manufactor. (and I Install with a originaly Windows XP TPC Edition from MSDN)

what should i share?
[Shift General] Emblema:
Your experience !
[Shift General] joy.d:
oki :-)

see at: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=386492&page=5
[Shift General] wlchuccc:
I have downloaded the file, it looks like a rar file, do I need to unzip it in Windows first?

Then I have tried to insert the usb in my shift, but nothing happens. I am very new to linux, can someone please help me what I need to do next step by step? Many thanks;)
[Shift General] Emblema:
Hi,

you have a linux installed on your system?

if you respond Yes, please go to http://pof.eslack.org/blog/2008/04/14/linux-on-htc-shift/

it's very simple, look POF thread.

Bye
[Shift General] wlchuccc:
Thanks but I don't know how to do this step. Can you help?

Install Instructions:

Put htcshift-easy-setup-v1.2.tar.bz2 in a USB memory stick, insert it in the Shift and Ubuntu will automatically mount it as /media/disk/. Then issue the following commands:

$ sudo tar jxvfp /media/disk/htcshift-easy-setup-v1.2.tar.bz2

$ cd htcshift-easy-setup

Run ‘sudo ./install.sh kernel‘ for keeping the default usb-rndis kernel modules: If you choose this option, the provided USB ethernet will work, however you will not be able to use 3G connectivity or to transfer files from WinCE using synce.

Run ‘sudo ./install.sh synce‘ for keeping the synce usb-rndis kernel modules: If you choose this option, you will be able to use 3G connectivity and to transfer files from WinCE using synce, however the provided USB ethernet will not work.
[Shift General] joy.d:
As I download the file with a windows machine, Windows Vista renamed (I don´t know why)

the file to htcshift-easy-setup-v1.2.tar.tar. (After I renamed the last extension back to *.bz2 it works with Ubuntu. Maybe you try to download this file with Ubuntu?

There are some other things that not works at my side after the patch within ubuntu:

- Touchscreen is not calibrated correctly (I´don´t know why) looks like calibrated for a other display resulution

- a external USB Mouse don´t work anymore

- some problems to install the patch with newer versions of ubuntu kernel

but: in 2-3 weeks released the new version of ubuntu. Maybe Mr. POF release a new Patch for this Version :-)
[Shift General] wlchuccc:
I followed the instructions (top of page) exactly, including the recommended installation of Ubuntu, but I receive the error following the command ‘sudo ./install.sh kernel‘ and ‘sudo ./install.sh synce‘

ERROR: Your kernenel version (2.6.24-21.generic) is not supported

Visit http://pof.eslack.org/ to check for new version

I am not sure of the meaning of this message, the only other output I can think that might be useful in determining a problem is given by the kernel version ‘uname -a’

Linux chris-laptop 2.6.24-21-generic #1 SMP Mon Aug 25 17:32:09 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux

Thanks a lot.
[Shift General] Emblema:
It'ok

you start htc shift whit kernel 2.6.24xxx, this is problem :-)

before start your select in grub menu' another kernel, 2.6.19xxx, after all drivers working good, if you want start your machine whit latest version of kernel you look my post whit indications, remember you there is wlan adapter do not working whit kernel 2.6.24xxx.

Sorry for my bad english, im learning :-)
[Shift General] wlchuccc:
where I can change it back to the old version? I followed the link. Now only Ubuntu 8.04.1 is avaliable, not Ubuntu 8.04 anymore. Please help, I am new to Linux
[Shift General] Emblema:
mmmm it's no possible, default kernel without you replace, is 2.6.19-generic bla bla bla.

If you use a wired connection, it's possible this replacement.

Can you htc start after you select to vista or ubuntu, press 'esc' and select kernel 2.6.19xxx

tray please.
[Shift General] wlchuccc:
can't find kernel 2.6.19xxx

Anyone can offer me a help:confused:
[Shift General] sniveri:
You can rename the folder where this script is loading modules. For example I have kernel version 2.6.27-7 (Ubuntu 8.10). I just picked the latest folder from memorycard from folder htcshift-modules and renamed it from 2.6.24-19-generic to 2.6.27-7-generic. This can be risky but for me it did the trick.
[Shift General] Emblema:
Yes, work , not work wifi, because it's necessary make a drivers whit new kernel!!
[Shift General] wlchuccc:
thank you :)

will try it later on
[Shift General] sniveri:
And this version of htcpen does not work on ubuntu 8.10 and also rotating screen just logs you off.
[Shift General] wlchuccc:
Just curious to know, if there are so many problems with Linux, why ppl still fancy to install it then? My vista is working fine (90 secs to start up), and everything looks fine to me at the moment:confused:
[Shift General] joy.d:
ubuntu is a good alternative "add on" OS, as sample, for administration :-)

I installed Ubuntu into "a file" with "wubi installer" without complications, some things don´t work out, but it works at other side really good. So you have always a little Linux in your Pocket :-)

Unfortunality i´m not a Unix expert, the modifications are easy for an unix expert, but I never less the hope that come some other and fix the problems for Ubuntu 8.10 :-)
[Shift General] vulcan_gr:
we definatelly need ... to be pofed

I installed ubuntu through vista, but when i try to boot it... at the "verifying instalation" procedure it says that i havent defined the root partition file system... and it does not continue... it says "go to the partition manager and fix this"...

when i boot from live cd "Esc option" all is ok and partition manager "sees" the file system...

WTF !?

and when i try to install pofs files from usb i get the same probs with the rest ... kernel version...

we definatelly need pofs help on all that ...

he is the wizard...

:)

POOOOOOOOOOF !
[Shift General] samstables:
I am a Linux virgin but thought I'd give it a go. Unable to find a working download of Ubuntu 8.04.2.19 as suggested in this thread so I just went for Ubuntu 8.10. The tweak works as described above (I had to change 2.6.24-21 to 2.6.27.7 for 8.10) which is very exciting although I am having no luck with touchscreen at my first attempt. Also screen rotate feels counter-intuitive so I shall have to find out how to turn it the other way!

Many thanks to POF for this excellent work - please update everything to 8.10 as soon as poss so I can finally get rid of Vista :)
[Shift General] koala996:
why not 7 ? it s fast and everything is working. even better battery life ! (almost 3hours)
[Shift General] samstables:
I've tried but failed to install it repeatedly already (after failing to get Win XP to work!) I spend AGES downloading Win7 TWICE as I kept getting an error on install... I don't know if my DVD writer isn't up to the job, but I got so frustrated at it not installing, I went for Linux (Anything to get away from Vista!)

I'll get Win 7 when I can have a copy that is properly made as it all sounds very positive for the Shift.

I do like the fact that in Linux you can do such a lot yourself, but as a newbie to it, it's a bit annoying too :)
[Shift General] koala996:
have you used nero to burn the iso? many other softwares are not burning fine Microsoft's iso... don't know why.. that could explain the issue. I think the download is correct but not the burn :)

(same problem with vista 2 years ago)