yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
More luck on Niki, boots up just fine. Must swap touchscreen and kb drivers tho. Greetings to the guy who said "of course it's a no go" :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bobthemonkey:
Ah, but is there any performance gain???

Suprising that it worked on Niki but not Kaiser considering they are essentially the same device. Could you 'cook' the Kaiser touchscreen driver into the p6500 rom? Of course that assumes the Touchscreen driver is what is preventing kaiser from booting - also you could try the same for the kaiser keyboad driver.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] discovery531:
is it wrong to install the _alex_ patch on my Polaris with my step?

just because i install it and hang my Polaris and hang, i have hard reset it finally.

1. install the _alex_ .cab

2. copy the ddi.dll to \windows\

3. soft reset

4. hang out at the htc logo pop up.

I have saw a guy that using Polaris installed this and running fine, but not me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Moskiitto:
Does this mean that the break through has happened? Do we have working Ati acceleration in our kaisers? Wrong day for april fool :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] majaelx:
can't wait anymore!!!

:confused: could you, masters of coding and cooking, inform us about the progress of your work? please... we (others with no winCe skills) ar druling on this thread for every post.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mimoracer:
www.todosmartphone.com they have open their chest for any help

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2081007&postcount=914
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
Guys i can only remote control it since ts and kb don't work on niki, but i can start a benchmark. Please give me a suggestion on how/what i should use to do the benchmarks.

Edit1: touchscreen does work now :)

Edit2: vsbench benchmark results will be posted later

Here we go.

Kaiser with T-Mobile UK ROM

graphics 1118

others 1953

jpeg 2366

game 1371

sound 0626

final score: 1486

Niki with P6550 RUU_Sedna_HTC_WWE_1.10.405.1_Radio_Sedna_1.58.21.23_signed_Test ROM => OS part only

graphics 1096

others 1669

jpeg 2175

game 1293

sound 0658

final score: 1378

Niki with P6550 RUU_Sedna_HTC_WWE_1.10.405.1_Radio_Sedna_1.58.21.23_signed_Test ROM => Sedna OS + Radio

graphics 1112

others 1792

jpeg 2201

game 1309

sound 0736

final score: 1430

Niki with WM 6.1 Niki project rom

graphics 1094

others 1803

jpeg 2208

game 1276

sound 0672

final score: 1410

Edit3: will flash sedbra radio and benchmark again

SPB benchmarks:

Arkaball frames per second (frames/sec)

MDA 107; MDAII 98.4; niki_sedna 153;

DDB BitBlt

kaiser 392.9 fps

niki with Sedna Rom 406 fps

sedna P6550 5128 fps
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Chainfire:
SPB Benchmark? Blt'ing speed is very very very important for most graphics applications!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
SPB Benchmark hung in graphics test :(

(i believe some1 with a p6500 posted that as well)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Moskiitto:
I ran Vsbenchmark 2007 on my kaiser and hermes:

Hermes has Ati chip+drivers

Kaiser:

Graphics Test1 1154

Others Test2 2056

JPEG Test3 2503

Games Test4 1382

Sound Test5 0608

Final Score : 1540

Hermes:

Graphics Test1 1555

Others Test2 1040

JPEG Test3 2290

Games Test4 1364

Sound Test5 1356

Final Score : 1521
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SiGGy:
Another test would be to run core player in benchmark mode with the same video clip.

Enable either GDI or Directdraw then start the benchmark.

Directdraw mode if I remember correctly doesn't even render video when benchmarking with the broken video drivers. Where as it's butter smooth video on my ppc-6700 doing that benchmark.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
Which version of core player should that be?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Moskiitto:
1.2.1 is the newest I think.

My hermes plays smoother and faster benchmark than kaiser.

In other hand using Qtv in coreplayer video playback is good enought.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
Someone else should test that then, I don't have it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SiGGy:
I'd use core player version (TCPMP) .72RC1

I'd pass for now on testing with the core player (latest) that uses QTV support, we know that works already.

Using .72RC1 will show you if DirectDraw and GDI and performing adequately for the device.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Moskiitto:
TCPMP Is free and working program for that purpose:

Site:

http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/test/

CAB:

http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/test/tcpmp.pocketpc.0.72RC1.cab

EXE:

http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/test/tcpmp.pocketpc.0.72RC1.exe
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NetrunnerAT:
Somebody they have a P6500 ... please Connect via QPST and look what CPU ID you have! I think ... if the P6500 is faster and use ATI Driver ... it have a MSM7200A CPU and not a MSM7200B like Niki, Kaiser or Polaris!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
Thx SiGGy & Moskiitto: I can be extremely lazy at times ... do you have a link of a representative video clip :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
I think netrunnerAT is right, check out a few additional SPB benchmarks I posted here (courtesy valvarin)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SiGGy:
This should work...

http://dl.speeddemosarchive.com/HalfLife-Hazard_310.avi

If the phone doesn't have the same CPU we're just chasing our tails though...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fb.knight:
thats what i wanted to ask if hes right and the prossesor is the a and not the b then thats game over right?

edit btw the link in your last post shows up 403 forbidden for me
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mimoracer:
no i dont think so its game over

i think that the rom that every one play with is an old rom from old preproduction sedna phone what we are looking for is the rom from the new sedna reviewed at www.todosmartphone.com so can any one contact them for how to dump the sedna rom
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] CaliTilt:
Todosmartphone's offer to dump rom

Please send step-by-step instructions to dump the rom of the Sedna to Todosmartphone

Thank you
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fisha21:
Okay, so it arrived today. Here are the VSBenchmark results for the Sedna.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fisha21:
And here are the same results for Kaiser running Dutty's Hybrid (1st April release)

Just about to run Spb Benchmark on both...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Moskiitto:
How the sedna gets so lame results?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] getwilde:
I think ChainFire has sent instructions to TodoSmartPhone. Hopefully other experts will (or have) as well?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2081310&postcount=920

The speed test results that Fisha21 just posted don't look near as good as what TodoSmartPhone found. Just like the actual performance of my Mogul/Titan isn't near as good as what early review sites seemed to report. It makes me wonder if the early review units contain licensed drivers, to ensure positive reviews, while the standard units sent to consumers do not. How else could the numbers be so different?

Hopefully we can get a full ROM dump from a review unit.

Edit: fisha21's Spb benchmark numbers in his next post look promising!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fisha21:
Here are the Spb benchmark graphics results for the shipped Sedna
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
I have 2 ROMs:

19/12/2007 10:01 63,092,072 RUU_Sedna_HTC_WWE_1.02.405.1_Radio_Sedna_1.58.13.28_signed_Test.exe
08/01/2008 15:19 64,416,724 RUU_Sedna_HTC_WWE_1.10.405.1_Radio_Sedna_1.58.21.23_signed_Test.exe

Only tried RUU_Sedna_HTC_WWE_1.10.405.1_Radio_Sedna_1.58.21.23_signed_Test thus far. Will test the other t'morrow.

Dutty :cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fisha21:
And the Spb results for the Kaiser (again on Dutty's latest Hybrid ROM)

Edit: ok, these are the Kaiser results. Doh. Trying to get the info out there too fast!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RacerII:
Hmmm now thats weird.

http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=79221&d=1207253198

http://www.todosmartphone.com/imagenes/fotosreview/htc-sedna-graph-ddb.gif

Thats a big difference.....

Sounds like htc is playing a dirty trick with us.

Remember how reviewers mentioned how fast the kaiser is , and how it beats every other xda on the market....

:rolleyes:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jug6ernaut:
:| its happening again
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fisha21:
The Sedna I have is:

ROM 1.10.405.3

Date 22/1/08

Radio 1.58.21.23
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] XtreMe_G:
you posted the sedna's results here fisha
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RacerII:
Yup , i guess we should ask them to do the benchmark again to see if it was an error.

If its not an error , htc is messing around.

Edit: i have pmed them and asked if they could redo the benchmark.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fultotop:
The P6500 SPB Benchmarks bear some relation to the results duttythroy's got when he cooked the drivers into a rom, if you look at the tests.

If you look at the DDB BitBit, DIB BitBit & GAPI tests, I wonder if this rom doesn't have ATI drivers. But HTC have coded in other areas like using some of the QTV routines to output to the display quicker in certain areas.

Why would the P6500 have 3D capablities when it's aimed at corporate users.

That my two pennies thrown in.

Hope I'm wrong.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fisha21:
Thanks, edited

Okay, have also tried running Omikron's Lights app

The message windows are as follows:

Driver:

Desc: Microsoft Direct3D Mobile Reference Driver

Id:0

Name: d3dmref.dll

-----------------------

Hardware rasterization: false

-------------

Hardware T&L: False

-----------------

Using system memory

The program does run but veeeery slowly. It's looking likely that 3D accel is not to be found here. The interface does seem slightly snappier than the Kaiser, but we know how subjective that can be!

Have also run Omikron's D3DDrivers.exe, and get the following:

Driver info

Ordinal:0

Name: d3dmref.dll

Description: Microsoft Direct3D Mobile Reference Driver

Version: 222101509.67086
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dperren:
If this is the case, it is absolute lawsuit gold. I know bait and switch has been mentioned in the past, but this is actually the very definition of it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
Looking like the 5K benchmark could have been fake, or incorrect, because there's no independent confirmation as the sci method dictates.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] duttythroy:
So my rom beat P6500 without the drivers cooked in, imaging the one i'm using now:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RacerII:
Lawsuit probably wont ever happen.

However if its true, people will loose trust in htc's products.

But again , big chance that something went wrong with the benchmark.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
ROM's

Sorry to butt in here but would it be possible to get a download location of the two ROM's being tested.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fisha21:
Mine is currently on the Sedna sitting in front of me. Am just re-running a full Spb Benchmark on both devices (Sedna and Kaiser) and will then proceed to dump the ROM from the Sedna. Should be about 1 hour from now...stay tuned!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Thank you kind sir...much appreciated.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Moskiitto:
Hmm.. I found a post about this:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1908390&postcount=10

//The MSM7200a is the 65nm version of the MSM7200 (90nm). The big difference is a speed boost for the ARM11 processor from 400MHz to 528MHz. I assume that there should be some benefits to battery life as well...not sure about any other changes.

Slacker//

Does't this proof that the sedna has MSM7200 not MSM7200A. Sedna has 400MHz processor doesn't it? I tried to find all devices using MSM7200A at www.pdadb.net and only one I found is: Sony Ericsson Xperia X1. Xperia has 528MHz processor.

Links:

Chipset:

http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a

Xperia specs:

http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1117

Kaiser and Xperia Comparison:

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1117&id2=733

Sedna and Xperia Comparison:

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1117&id2=822
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hidavi:
A different manufacturing process size doesn't change the functionality of the device, so the drivers should work the same for both.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mimoracer:
fisha21 please can you write to us a mini review about sedna like camera performance video playback and coreplayer benchmark
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Moskiitto:
Arent we talking here about htc P6500?

There is HTC P6500 (HTC Sirius 100) and HTC P6550 (HTC Sedna)

Almost the same device.

Comparison link:

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=822&id2=734
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fisha21:
So, repeating full Benchmark give Sedna a repeat graphics index of 3526, up 300 from 3226 previously. I'm fairly happy this is an accurate measurement of the Sedna sitting in front of me.

Perhaps Jockyw2001 could send me a link to the 2 test ROMs he is using, I can flash those to the Sedna and run benchmarks to see if there is a difference with the pre-production ROMs running on their native hardware?

I will post a mini-review on the device, but will be in a few days time. Look out for it in the Kaiser General forum next week.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lubinda:
Maybe all it contains is the fix ment to come to kaiser that will hopefull be in the 6.1 rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sebastianmc:
friends.. comparing benchs kais vc sedna... I think qualcomm doesnt have solution.... samsung 400mhz is so better...even intel´s cpus is so better... :(

who knows a decent driver will come in wm7 or never.... oh sh i t....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fishpony:
uhhh.... WhAt???
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DarkDvr:
Only thing I undertood was "jesus is the right way" :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
I would like to have those as well.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sebastianmc:
man... I had a hermes, qtek 9000, treo 700wx, treo 750, motoQ,,, now I have a kaiser, I made benchs of all pdas that I already had,, and I think htc isnt the problem,,, qualcomm is the problem.... this cpu is just a big s h i t...lol

sorry for my english :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fishpony:
haha too funny. Maybe this is what HTC meant when they said they would release an update before the end of march. Since they legally can't just Give us the drivers without paying for the license on all the phones. They are paying for the license to use them in these phones because they KNOW that someone here will be able to dump them. That way they don't have to pay and we all get what we want. ofcourse they can't tell us that. Is HTC good guys after all??? Pretty Sneaky to get out of paying for them. well keep up the good work here guys.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Should have used a Marvell or Intel chip. Qualcomm sucks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DarkDvr:
I suggest we try to keep this thread clean.

We're all anxious, some of us cant even sleep at night (maybe). Let deveopers do their thing, and just subscribe to the thread to get latest updates.

I'd also like to ask guys who are undertaking this to keep us updated on the issue..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] schulzj:
That may be the smartest theory or we are giving HTC WAY too much credit.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Kavalier:
Hi everybody, this is my first post to the forum.

I am noticing that the thread is becoming a tad off-track and disorganized and wanted to help refocus everyone, as well as help people not have to read through 25 pages to get a few leads.

Current possible leads:

Obtaining dump from reviewer website

Someone mentioned the spl dump would contain all parts of the rom, I saw the owner of the prepurchase sedna say in another thread that he had this and could post it

We have as I can see one dev with a sedna as well as a few more otw

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but I believe the official reviews of the kaiser were almost all stellar, with no reports of slowdown. That being said, it may be possible to solicit a reviewer for a dump of one of the review kaisers they recieved from HTC.

Current Requests/ problems

Many people have posted looking for the current test roms I believe there are two of these

there appears to be technical evidence of Bait and Switch with the reviewer phones, someone may want to forward this to the lawsuit people.

Someone brought up the possibility of there being more that one type of cpu, which could render the efforts useless. Can anyone substantiate or refute this possibility?

hope this helps get us organized,

Steve S

p.s. My first kaiser (att tilt) will arrive tomorrow, I am fully willing to flash it into oblivion if neccessary
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] delta-101:
Here is link to one of the rom versions Jockyw2001 is testing : (1.10.405.1_Radio_Sedna_1.58.21.23)

http://rapidshare.de/files/39014256/RUU_Sedna_HTC_WWE_1.10.405.1_Radio_Sedna_1.58.21.23_signed_Test.exe.html

And the other (1.02.405.1_Radio_Sedna_1.58.13.28)

http://rapidshare.com/files/104682305/RUU_Sedna_HTC_WWE_1.02.405.1_Radio_Sedna_1.58.13.28_signed_Test.exe.html

Hope that helps!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Nice...do you happen to have the other one. I am really interested in that one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] delta-101:
See original post...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Moskiitto:
So... is there any success?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] thefunkygibbon:
patience. if there was dont you think there'd be a bit more talk about it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Moskiitto:
I know I'm sorry. Still too excited to wait the success on this :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] KALSTER:
Hey guys. On the contract I am getting I can either choose a crappy phone with an HDTV or PS3 included, or I can get the TYTN 2 without any extras. I have gone for the TYTN 2. I am confidant that you guys can sort this mess out! I am just hoping that the problem lies with HTC and not with Qualcomm....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] crispyj:
WTF??? First of all, this has nothing to do with this thread. Secondly, why would you chose the TYTN 2 over a PS3 or an HDTV when you could just sign a contract with a cell provider and get a significant discount on the price of the phone. I think you made a mistake.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Dust2Dust:
Hmmm am I the only one reading about dutty bein' most succesfull at this moment??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Chainfire:
Well that review site was going to contact me today on MSN but haven't heard from them. I will be away for the weekend starting in one hour, so I guess it's not today :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sning:
am i the only one thinking that there is more to getting all this working than just a few files.

as well as dependencies, i'm betting that there is a fair amount of registry work to be done to get all this working
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sacre:
Yes it will probably take some effort, but if this works out i will be sure a LOT of people will be VERY happy.

I am going to buy myself a new phone since my HTC touch is cracked up. I'll hold off for a while to see how this whole ROM thing turns out, if it works out and devices run smoother, hell, i'll jump back to the HTC bandwagon
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] 4Site:
Maybe I should order a P6500 and exploit the 14 day return rule?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] surgex0:
LOL, i was thinking about that myself...I'm very tempted
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] frag999:
Bummer!, hope you have a fun weekend.

I was excited to see what this particular rom(s) had in it that allowed their evaluation phone to benchmark so high. Hopefully, these reviewers do not need to send their evaluation unit back very soon. It seems that an actual production Sedna unit was not capable of achieving anywhere near the graphics performance. Unless the benchmark performed at http://www.todosmartphone.com/ was flawed, their evaluation unit may be our only shot at getting this driver in the short term.

Does anyone else have the ability to explain how to dump the roms from this phone? Perhaps they could take up the task of helping the folks at http://www.todosmartphone.com/ get their evaluation unit dumped. Preferrably somebody with some Spanish skills :D.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DaVince:
LOL :D

Hope people wont forget about other 7x00 devices like our Touch Duals (Niki).. we don't have much developers in our thread unlike here in Kaiser. :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] my95z34:
Cos the Kaiser is the shiz. lol
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
If someone has a contact there I can write a spnish tut for them. The dumping is really the easy part, then they can just up the raw data & I or anyone of hundreds here can dump it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] anubus12:
Sorry for this dumb question, but when and IF there is ever a working driver, what will the exact benefits be? Software the we can't run now on the Kaiser? If I am not mistaken, one of the big benefits is hardware 3D Acceleration. But, what out there today will take benefit from that? Games?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Infuruno:
Well games yes videos, camera may work better, the device might hang less, who knows it might even boost the battery as the device don't have to work extra hard to do mundane tasks. We aren't making a big issue of it for nothing....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Mr. Zach:
to add to this, i will vouch that overall useability will skyrocket. i'm back on my wizard now because i have gone nuts over the poor performance of the kaiser, i see no real upgrade from my wizard outside of application install time. i'm going to watch the progression and outcome of this thread for a few weeks before i decide if my kaiser is hittin' craigslist again so i can save for a blackberry 9900.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fishpony:
read Htcclassaction.org. Uninstall your video drivers on your PC and see what you can all do. let's try to keep this thread on track.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] danielherrero:
Smooth gps navigators........
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] KALSTER:
Even with all this nonsense with drivers, it will still be MILES better than my 5140i;)