yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] eskostar:
IF the diamond has 3d acceleration then it must not be complete, since all the rendering is still pretty slow, plus, there's no evidence at all that it does have 3d drivers, so until then, it's all rumors
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] drownage:
comparing the speed at confernce with the speed of manila on Tytn II, it seems like it has 3d accel... also, HTC did say it will not provide drivers in current devices, but new devices will have them... remember... and since manila is all 3D, it would only seem correct to have the drivers... but then again is HTC... basically dont rush to get the diamond... :-/...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wiebenik:
Htc Tytn II driver over a vew days(rom update)

Htc Tytn II owners can see a rom update in a few days
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] FlaTEriC18041983:
Details please ;)

Polaris as well?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] pinx:
Finally.

Polaris wasn't mentioned anywhere. Only TyTN II as far as I know.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] johndabrit:
update from HTCClassAction.org

From HTCClassAction.org http://htcclassaction.org/#update_20080509_1

Update May 9, 2008: MS Mobiles reports a fix for the TyTN II may be available as soon as next week, and it will include graphics drivers. It will only be for non-branded devices and only for the TyTN II - not the other similar devices like the Touch Dual and Cruise. We are quite confident that if this is true, the hackers over at XDA-Developers, PPCGeeks, etc. will be able to port the fix to at least some	other devices. At this time the news remains unconfirmed by any other source than MS Mobiles, and though it would be great if true, it is HTC we are talking about, and they are now legendary for promising one thing and delivering the other. There is nothing more to say than "we shall see".

Update May 10, 2008: All About Phones [Dutch] also reports they were told by HTC there will be a ROM update for the TyTN II. From the page (translated from Dutch to English):

Q (All About Phones): What about the driver/rom-update for the TyTN II and other pda's by HTC ?

A (Mark Moons, HTC): I can confirm we will release a ROM-update for the TyTN II this month which will solve and improve most issues. This will also be a 6.1 update so the TyTN II will be completely up to date. I cannot confirm this for other devices.

W00T!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] badguy999:
Only htc tytn owner or also vodafone v1615 owners?

btw good news!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] FloatingFatMan:
Try reading the posts properly and you'd know the answer to that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] FlaTEriC18041983:
Boeh, I hate HTC, why (probably) bring out an update for TyTN2 but not for the TC and TD, they really suck... hope, the devs inhere will be able to extract those drivers, this would be worth some euros to me...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bigshape:
awesome!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] eBug:
how to dump sedna ROM?

I just read someone asked for users to dump their ROM and post it somewhere.

Can anyone give me a pointer to doc about how I can dump my original ROM?

Thanks in advance.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Matthes42:
have a look here:

http://www.google.com/cse?cx=000825...lw&q=&sa=Search&cof=FORID:0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mbarvian:
i prefer using kaiserDUMP (just search google). i dont know if thats the best way of doing it, but it sure is the easiest

good luck
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lokofan:
Hi all!

Well, I will be really very glad if somebody can help me...

The problem is that I can't reach NAND FLASH in my 6500 any more. It disappered in the file explorer. I made hard reset, then i used the standard HTC utility to get the NAND back, but no success!

Probably, i have to try to change the ROM?

The device is from Germany, ROM 1.10.407.3, Radio 1.58.21.23

And one more question: how to dump the ROM from my device? I want to do this before changing the ROM...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hidavi:
Those getting hanging screens, are you using WM6 or 6.1? You should probably try with 6.0 if you aren't already.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ChumleyEX:
It's my understanding that someone did indeed get the blacklisted kaiser. Geez I really hope this comes through, I just hate to see my phone tip toe when it can run.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] johnburgelin:
blacklisted kaiser

what's this blacklisted kaiser?....i think ill run a search...

~j
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] johnburgelin:
nothing....

i have much to learn in my searching skills....got to filter through all the junk

~j
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rvdgeer:
Thanks for keeping us informed on your progress! :D

I'm a n00b at this and I'm sure I can't do anything to help besides keeping spirits up and some occasional testing...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] URPREY:
I was curious too. I believe this is the answer:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1910883&postcount=23
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hidavi:
that kaiser is no different than any other Kaiser. Its just not accepted by AT&T (stolen?)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] URPREY:
Summary: someone donated a blacklisted Kaiser to a developer who was willing to work on making the drivers work. The drivers appear to be here, so the developer who received the blacklisted Kaiser now has a device and drivers to work with.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hidavi:
Oh, hehehe, ok :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SCSweeps:
How does a phone get blacklisted exactly? I thought all the data the cell network read is from the sim card.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wiebenik:
phone hangs after installing cab file of this thread

any suggestions i install the cab in this thread on my tytn2 installation works fine but te phone stuck on vodafone screen someone help me please. i only got a backup on my sd card
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] flushbeer:
you should have read before... the DDI.dll doesn't work out of the box.

I would suggest: hard reset ;-)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Qlphn:
I may be wrong, but when vox ddi.dll was ported to tornado without proper certificate effect was identical (device 'dead' on startup screen). Maybe it's similar case?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1734553&postcount=4
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
Did you not read the post where the cab was attached? Even if you read only the bolded text, it clearly informs you what can occur and what you need to do to recover.

I've quoted myself for your ease of reference.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fishes234:
They blacklist the imei number in the phone, which is supplied to the network when you connect. The tech's been there for years but it's only comparatively recently that network operators have actually started doing it, hence it now being illegal to change your phone's imei number.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
Question already answered, read: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2071693&postcount=27. I also assume that modaco (Paul@modaco perhaps?) also had sdkcerts installed when he used dependency walker to include other DLLs within his unreleased cab, when replied here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2071998&postcount=36.

I'm pretty much done with this. It's time to help the heavier hitters to take a wack at it :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jug6ernaut:
^^^ lol whats up with ppl installing any ol cab these days :S
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] swtaltima:
I did! but I always back up my phone so a hard reset isn't the end of the world. I am hopeful that this will work some day.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jug6ernaut:
me2! this is very exciting!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Qlphn:
As far as i know it's diffrent security level (Privileged Execution Trust Authorities) and it can't be disabled - so security policy 0101a will not help here. Everyone's Tornado was uncertertified, yet still there was few victims ;) I'll try if sdkcerts are enough (my poor tornado will be guinea pig...)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dubbeld00:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2072587&postcount=364

From what i understand he seems to have it working on a Polaris... If that's true... well... that would be great.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fb401:
Haha, everybody wants to "beta test".
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
I have a quick ????

Can anyone tell me if any of the posts with attachments have just the dynamic libraries, unedited & without anyof the sdk certs?

I have an idea on this, but I'm on my device today, no pc till later, & I want to have a look in the clean dll's.

I see lot's of attachments from Alex, etc... But none of them tell me what's what. If anyone's compiled just the DLL's, not as cab, please let me know.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jug6ernaut:
haha your right... now im not gonna claim to be an expert...or to really knowing anything at all lol. but when something does come from this(notice i said when, bc i think something will) it will be some time in the future... Things like this are not just thrown together..it will take some time... but as always i have trust in the community :) lol.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] swtaltima:
I did load the cab alex provided on my 8525 and it reset just fine. Its my extra phone so I kinda throw caution to the wind.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wiebenik:
boot failure fixed after installing cab out of box

problem fixed hard reset and replace backup thankx
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
Just speculating (again), but we know that the Hermes has an ATI Imageon chipset. Maybe this just proves that the Kaiser doesn't?

Remember folks, if we could get better video performance on the Kaiser by porting over drivers from the Hermes, it probably would have been done awhile ago, especially since alot of the Kaiser chefs were formerly Hermes chefs.

I further speculate that being able to install it on another hardware device doesn't mean that it'll work on the Kaiser. :(

I'm waiting for Olipro, cmonex, Pof or someone else to come along and blow us all out of the water with their findings :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hidavi:
This is different, though. The P6500 has the same chipset as the Kaiser. The Hermes does not.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RacerII:
Same here no boot with the ddi.dll

Time to restore my backup.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
*SHRUG* Maybe the Hermes doesn't even use DDI.DLL :) Anywhoo, I've had enough fun for the day with this. I'm out :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
Sure - I've just downloaded it. I'm guaranteeing nothing, since I'm still busy chewing through AhiInit() from the KS20's stuff. Almost done, and then I can chew through AhiDevOpen(). Walking all the memory setup and allocation paths has been "fun".

It's been annoying every time I update to some new ROM, it's a day lost restoring settings... :P

edit: wtf, there's a qtv_mp4_decoder.dll that I've never seen before.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Johannus:
i am so hoping you could make this work!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SCSweeps:
WE LOVE YOU NUSHRIKE! <3
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Jonathan1683:
Didn't HTC's official statement say that it can't be fixed because it doesn't have the ATI chip?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] merten3000:
exciting

Whoohooo..... we are on the edge of a big breakthrough!

Maybe I can build a hdmi connecter into my kaiser and watch HD on my LCD-TV with this new driver coming......just dreaming and making jokes....

I hope the clever guys in here (not me for sure!) will find a way to boost the graphics performance on our beloved kaiser.

Good luck!!

Greetz Merten
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hidavi:
Lies. It is well-known that the MSM7200 chipset has a modified version of the ATi Imageon chip in it. The P6500 confirms this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Jonathan1683:
hmm, that's a pretty bold official lie to their customers. Hopefully it works. I would buy that P6500 if it wasn't ugly as ****.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] muthaflaco:
I'd get one too....if it had a KB. (I'm a text whore)

Edit: Thanks for looking into this guys. I have no idea how to do any of the tecnical stuff, or I'd help you.

Your expertise is appreciated. If any of you live near me, I'll buy you an 'adult beverage.'
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] littlerain:
LOL!"ugly as ****" That 's so funny !!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Laurentius26:
Very nice to here this ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
hidavi: can u pls also post part0 and part1 Thx!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hidavi:
I don't have it. Ask the member hdubli (I gave him props in the first post) for it seeing as how he's the originator of this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mackaby007:
Let's hang tight and wait for devs to see what's possible...

That must have been what Corecodec tapped into to give us such a videoplayback boost in version 1.2.1 of their player and also the reason why WMplayer natively supports MPEG 4 playback in seemingly hardware accelerated mode.

Shame nothing has turned up yet for D3D or any 3D graphics processing at all.:(

I can't say who right now, as they can't afford to be inundated with questions at the moment, but at least 2 of xda's top developers/hackers are looking into the P6500 ROM and potentially transferable or re-cookable drivers for the Kaiser and other Qualcomm based 7200 chipset devices (7500 too).

Let's just wait a little longer to see if they have any success. If they do, they will let us all know in due time.

Meanwhile might I suggest that we simply try to assist them in testing when they ask for assistance and remember to honor our pledges for the bounty, if they should be successful.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
Well:

there's no easily visible "ati*" driver that I can see

htc_d3dm.dll is just a stub to import default_d3dm.dll localhook just like the Kaiser's

somebody at least compiled some of the .dlls to target a CPU higher than ARMV4I (meaning the newer ARMv6 in the Qualcomm)

DDI.dll (still using ancient ARMv4I asm such as "bx lr") is almost identical to the Kaiser's for at least 90% of the file from diffing just the asm. There are changes, and maybe this new DDI has improvements, or it's just tweaks for the kernel/userland/device.

SetKMode() isn't being used anymore, (or it became an internal function), but using ChangeDisplaySettingsEx() from coredll.dll is new

Can we have somebody independently verify the SPB benchmarks just to be sure?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dcd1182:
agreed, if i can help with msm7500 testing let me know.

you can also sign me up as a donator if a driver is made for us.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
As far as I can see we need the P6500 AMSS.

In other words I should finish my radio dumper.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mackaby007:
Need confirmation like NuShrike says....

Agreed 100%!! ...was thinking the same thing all day. There doesn't seem to be a forum for the P6500 as yet, so no obvious place to find owners of this device.

If anyone here is a P6500 owner, can you please run this benchmark to verify the results. It would at least confirm if our efforts in hacking the Sedna ROM are justified. Much appreciated.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] MDA-Fan:
I would recommend that too. I´ve tested Vbenchmark on the magician and the kaiser today and the magician had on test 3 18000 points (Kaiser: 2300) and that only because it couldn´t handle the JPEG test (errors)!

(overal result: Kaiser=1471, Magician=4700)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hidavi:
It should be stickied on every subforum here that we need a P6500 owner's help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sswalia:
All we have right now for the p6500 is the dumped rom from a preproduction model that hdubli got his hands on. Apparently he no longer the unit and therefore can not go through and do benchmark tests.

IF THERE ARE ANYMORE P6500 OWNERS AROUND, please i beg you, could you please, DO A BENCHMARK TEST AND DUMP YOUR ROM.

I know for a fact that there are a few people rocking the HTC Sedna here at xda.

The benchmark tests done by todosmartphone are undeniable, however the rom from this preproduction phone from (from december i believe... i.e note the date of the OEM directory, and the version - .92- of the rom build. ) may not be far enough up to date.

WHAT THIS MEANS IS WE NEED TO SPREAD THE NET.... and FIND MORE P6500 users who can benchmark their device and dump a rom for us..

Even us NOOB end-users can HELP with this one :D

SPREAD THE WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DarkDvr:
I fully agree.

MODERATORS please help us out and sticky this. Help us find Sedna owners.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
Such a shame he didn't dump part01 and smi so that I could reconstruct radio.

The rom I just cooked with a Kaiser part01 doesn't boot as could be expected.

Well I guess we must wait for the next owner(s).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sswalia:
one sec, i think he has the spl dump, would that work... i'll ask anyway
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jug6ernaut:
wouldn't it suck if some1 got the driver to work...then we tried to use it in our kaisers and since we have been running them so long without the graphics card that it wouldn't work from just sitting there...lol...that would suck...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Crypter:
Why wouldn't HTC release the drivers for the cruise and kaiser WITH the release of the p6500? i think... even when u find the driver... it wouldnt work ....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] the_passenger:
aahhh, you meant it got rusted? lol
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jug6ernaut:
lol i can see the panic in the streets now :P

(sorry i know this is in no way contributing to the cause)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] itcrackerjack:
One Word

Licensing.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Imsaffor:
The pricing on the two devices. Kaiser/Sedna that I can find seem to be too far apart to merit just the additions that the Sedna has. Perhaps the reason the device costs so much more is because they have paid for the proper licencing?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NoThrills:
I find it very strange that everyone is so focused on the ddi.dll.

Yes, it's the display driver, but does anyone really believe this is 'the key'? I have been digging around this display crap a little bit myself, and, believe it or not, I've managed to get my Kaiser booting with this new ddi.dll.

It's not displaying alot (it's acting very, very weird), but still. It's showing something.

But then again, what did we expect. Compare the file to any recent 3.02/3.02/3.08/3.14 ddi.dll, and you'll see only 1-2kB difference. Those 2kB are not going to give you H/W acceleration.

It is compiled into something else, and we'll going to need to find that. I'm going to try and find it, anyway :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
For me, it's a known point to start searching for "what's different?". Where's the external hooks for the magic hardware acceleration? Otherwise, there's a lot of subsystems check ...

Since you got it booting, mind doing some benchmarks to see if there's anything to find? :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NoThrills:
That's the problem, it's booting, but that's about it. Not much functional you can do with it, it's extremely, extremely slow. But that might be because of everything else I'm breaking to get the ddi.dll running :)

My guess is the 'magic' H/W acceleration is in parts of the ROM we do not have yet.

But then again, it's 1:20 AM now, and I need to get up in 5 hours :) So, more fiddling tommorrow.. If there's anything usefull I'll let you know...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jug6ernaut:
ok first idk what im talking about first of all....and this probable makes no sense at all...

but...back on my wizard i would always run roms ported from other phones..ones that for sure did not have the same chipsets...if we were able to port the rom to our kaiser would that work? though im pretty sure getting the .dll's to work is apart of that right?

again sorry for my stupid unhelpful post :S
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Doug2873:
wow seeing those benchmarks have made me a believer...PM chainfire about this ASAP!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Bronx31:
:) Can't agree more!! I'll Beta Test it, and pay my donation quickly
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Devtone:
Interesting...

Display Driver Development Concepts

Application

The application can be simple, such as a Hello World application, or complex, such as a three-dimensional engineering application.

Whichever it is, the application calls GDI functions. Coredll.dll exposes these functions.

Coredll.dll

The major set of functions is exposed through a single DLL, called Coredll.dll.

In most cases, this library does not perform the work. Instead, the library packages the parameters for the function call and then triggers a Local Procedure Call (LPC) to another process.

The specific process depends on the function call. All drawing and windowing calls are sent to Gwes.exe.

Gwes.exe

The Graphics, Windowing and Events Subsystem (GWES) is responsible for all graphical output and all interactions with the user.

The drivers that reside in the GWES address space include display drivers, printer drivers, keyboard drivers, mouse drivers, and touch screen drivers.

Ddi.dll

The default name for the display driver is Ddi.dll. As with most DLLs, Ddi.dll communicates through exported functions.

Ddi.dll exports only the DrvEnableDriver function, which returns a pointer to an array of 27 function pointers to the caller. When GWES requires a display driver, it calls one of these 27 functions.

Writing a device driver involves writing the code for these 27 functions.

Three of these functions are specific to printer drivers, which leaves 24 for the display driver developer.

Hardware

The graphic pipeline ends at the hardware. The display driver communicates to the hardware using the mechanism required by the hardware.

This process typically involves a combination of memory-mapped video buffers and I/O registers.

*SOURCE
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hidavi:
It would have to be. the only extra things the Sedna has are a fingerprint reader and 0.7" more screen space.