yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] petard:
Well then it doesn't make sense for HTC to not release graphics drivers for ALL kaisers. Most of their sales I would think AREN'T from the US (and for sure the sales that make more money) so why not release the driver on every Kaiser but the Tilt?

Us Tilt users who know about XDA can just take their drivers, and HTC wouldn't get in trouble because it is not their fault.

I don't think the theory that HTC wanted but couldn't release drivers is true.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
Drivers and the whole foobar with Qualcomm doesn't directly have anything to do with the Broadcom battle royale. It was HTC being cheap cop outs , and Qualcomm not actually having drivers or changing the original ATI api so existing drivers wouldn't work and then overcharging for SDK.

Otherwise, there's no reason somebody else (non-US) couldn't just get-for-free/pay Qualcomm for the SDK.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Macgyvec3:
test_drivers worked on my tilt for over an hour

I just got my tilt replaced under warranty and it came back with a 7201 instead of the 7200 on my old tilt. I thought I would try the test drivers on 7201 and it ran for over an hour until I tried to put it into stand by. I ran spb benchmark with a full test to see if it would continue to work through the whole time. I have only seen people get about 15 min with it but mine seems to work indefinitely unless you turn off the screen. It actually scored higher on the graphics test then the previous posts. By 500. Here are my results. Please correct my If I am wrong about the 15 min max others have seen.

View it here. Open the XML and copy all to the window in this link.

http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/benchmark/handleresult.php?en
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Melkor:
What? They changed the Chipset??? Are you sure?

Edit: Would you please take screenshot of the hardware specifications - listed in the configuration?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mimoracer:
can we have a rom dump from this new 7201
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Macgyvec3:
New chipset.

There was no difference between the ROMS. Just the chips.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=385605
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] austinsnyc:
Sorry... Just read the other post... Strange new chips
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Macgyvec3:
I'm not sure what the differences are. I think it's just a new revision but I know HTC is showcasing some of their future devices on the 7201 chip claiming that the performance is the same as the new different chips.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _DrG_:
the reports on the 7201 devices other than the tilts seem to be showcasing what the snapdragon devices will be like/can do... be interesting if these prototypes have the drivers though.... just need someone to get hold of one/or if they have one to dump the rom :D, anyone?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Isaygarcia:
7200 vs 7201

hi. well i was looking for some info and i found this:

MSM7201

MSM7200

as i can see, there's no difference between the chipsets.

maybe is just a revision of the chip.

but why?

it can allow qualcomm to add the drivers without legal interference?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] FlaTEriC18041983:
on the other side, how unfair is this?!?!

HTC providing a same device now with a new, different (perhaps better) chipset, and first buyers sitting on principally the same device with older, less performant chipset?!?!

Is this fair?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] neilson:
It ain't fair but we have to take comfort in the fact that if there is any improved performance on 7201 vs 7200, then you can count on those improvements being ripped and packaged up on here for all to enjoy.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Devtone:
This happens all the time, think about laptops, consoles. New revisions are common these days.

Think about paying top price for a PS3 and 10 revisions later some guy pays the fraction of the release price and has a improved, maybe faster device.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SouthernLuke:
Tell ya what, go do something to your phone to do a warranty claim on it and hope you get a 7201 chip.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] twistkill:
errr..they will just give a new kaiser with the same 7200 in it..lol

or worse..they might repair your phone and send it back!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Devtone:
Removed from the Qualcomm website, found it in google chache...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Isaygarcia:
so the 7201 and 7201A revisions, are only for the US .. ant the 7200 and 7200A are for international costumers. huh!

so theres no difference between 7200 and 7201... (nothing exept the 1 in 7201)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RustyGrom:
Interesting. I thought the "A" was for their patent-compliant version. Guess that's what the 1 is. I wonder if these 7x01 chips ditched the graphics acceleration altogether (since that's what the patent case was over)? Maybe a step in the wrong direction?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lildogg:
the upcoming xperia 1 has the 7200a chipset in it and from what Ive heard, it has graphics acceleration enabled.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] difflvl:
Everyone needs to give up on this driver thing.

First of all this isn't windows xp vga mode okay. Its not gonna work by simply copying a dll into the phone. There is probably a lot of code that needs to be re-written, hence cheap ass taiwanese bastard HTC doesn't want to do it.

Furthermore, if HTC uses the ATI on the chip, they probably have to pay royalty to ATI for each unit. Being that there is no way to track how many of the millions of phones will upgrade the software to use the ATI, you can image how this is a bit of a headache. Furthermore lets not forget that HTCs cheap ass will not want to pay millions of dollars in royalties, it is a publicly traded company and the shareholders would not want to do that. They want to make MONEY, more and more MONEYYY! Just like every other "made in china" product, if they can save a penny they will those damn taiwanese manufacturers. They do nothing but waste raw materials to make junk.

HTC is probably working on their next generation phones and will not invest into this. If you see anything from them, it will probably be a chinese micky mouse fix that people on xda have already figured out, such as caches.

The only real thing to improve performance on this phone would be for one of those overclocking software guys to make an overclocking utility. If HTC had any brains, they would release an overclocking utility to shut everyone up.

Stop spamming month old bull**** you found that you think is useful for someone to fix this thing.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] gman8966:
difflvl....Why did you edit out the If HTC stopped eating dog/cat meat line?

That was pure gold!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] difflvl:
I don't want to offend people who will get butt hurt about it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
A is the 90nm -> 65nm die-shrink.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rafgerm:
Is it there ?

Hi, I'm a bit lost in all those speculations and chipset versions. Do we know for sure that the video chip is physically present/connected in the Kaiser? If yes, is it possible to talk to the chip (i.e. registeres) ?

Personally I'm afraid that answer to one of those questions in NO which would make all the driver efforts useless :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] d112:
so is here ati drivers or is not
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Pawel062:
WOW. lots of people looks like stopped in here who dont know what they are doing or talking about. if i remember correctly the 7200A is the new 524mhz processor that will be in many of the new htc devices and will also include the proper acceleration.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wireless_one:
Read the thread . .

just read it . . .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] notisz:
Hey guys i have p6500 orange branded can i install this dump rom on mine to debrand it and sim unlock it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] discovery531:
No and there will never be provided by HTC official.

I think during we waiting for the unofficial driver, sony's X1 will be out first and it may carry MSM's chips and driver as Sony need to face Apple's phone.

So Sony X1 really need the driver to develop a cool interface for their first WM's phone.

Im afraid that X1's MSM cpu's driver not match to MSM7200, because though it has rumor to told that using MSM7200A (a 528mhz upgraded version of 7200A), but it also having different to MSM7200, make the driver cannot be running good at MSM7200's PDAs.

But, seems in google's android its have the MSM7200 driver and working good. If so maybe can take the driver from there and recompile to ppc version?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] FloatingFatMan:
Not a chance in the yeti's hairy backside. Android isn't based around a DirectX graphics layer, Windows Mobile is.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] discovery531:
okay, so last chance was gone...:(

Hope for other PDA manufacturer using MSM7x00 and having the directx driver?

As i know that japan manufacturer KDDI will be develop a gaming smart phone with using MSM7500, i have only chinese version of the news page with that...

http://gnn.gamer.com.tw/5/29115.html

This link is following with some gaming screen shot with the phone below on that page, its so amazing performance with MSM7500 in gaming...

As that page told the story is, Capcom (a famous gaming develop company in japan with Monster hunter, Biohazard and street fighters) has been develop a Biohazard 4 mobile demo version and pre-installed on that KDDI smartphone to running for a demo.

But one of that make me worry about is, it seems not using windows mobile system.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lmbranco:
Not wanting to jump off the wagon already, i would say that it's time to call it quits and stop buying anything that runs on top of a Qualcomm xxxx processor, at the end we will all be happy and can focus on actually getting the most of our beautiful handsets :D

What do you think guys?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] surgex0:
Unfortuneately, I agree with you there.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Melkor:
:D

The new HTC Diamond (aka MDAc IV) will have 3D accelleration! Because it has Manila (which needs 3D Hardware to run smoothly). So there is no reason not to buy the new HTC devices - except the fact that the manufactorer did a bad job with the Kaiser and Polaris...

So I think we will get the driver from them soon...(in form of a Diamond ROM dump;))

That is why I recommend to close this thread. Sedna seems the wrong way...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] andret:
I was informed by local importers/distributors on a new rom for tytn2 to be released end of april and would include several fixes including display problems - i could not get confirmation if it was display driver specific, touch screen specific, or just some other display related issues concerning the standard wm6.0 rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mikeeey:
we were told the kaiser would 3d drivers, just as the diamond would. we were told the 6500 would have drivers, just as the diamond woud, and lastly, we were told the Sony X1 would have drivers. So far, all ive seen, they just keep lying to us. so i cant believe that the diamond will have drivers. Unless they completely change the processor.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] surgex0:
if i'm not mistaken, there are some videos of the demo models of the x1 on youtube that were taken from some mobile trade shows.

from one video, it looks like that the demos don't have the drivers yet.

its very slow..but then again its a demo and it's not due out for awhile now, so who knows...

but yeah, this thread is dead :/

Sedna was a lame duck.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] TrainRekS:
Dont let them get the best of you man. Take them for all they're worth !!

Get what you deserve, nothing less. As far as not buying Qualcomm based products ? That up to you.

As far as people talking about the Xperia X1 , it uses a different chip. Instead of the MSM7200 , it is using the MSM7200A that has some revisions and is much faster.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mikeeey:
in most videos it looks slow, but in 1 video it looked like it had drivers, it was a lot smoother.

im just hoping that the 7xxx series are driver compatible, and not only the 7xxxA series. if they do make drivers only for the 7200A then theres no way to port it to the 7200 then is there?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RustyGrom:
The 7x00A is the 65nm (vs 90nm) and faster version of the 7x00. This *should* be driver compatible with the 7x00 chips. The 7x01 chips may not have video acceleration as those are targeted at the US where the injunction is in place.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] FloatingFatMan:
Yeah, yeah, yeah... We've heard THAT before...

I'll believe it when I see it, squire.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lmbranco:
I have not lost faith on the Kaiser, but i see myself already looking at other devices in order to replace it, and i even have a Blackberry Curve that i currently use instead of my kaiser, much weaker in terms of software possibilities and hardware but it works as it should, i had absolutely no stresses with it.

I would love that somehow the kaiser would have snappier behavior even if it was in the way windows behaves, i mean, i find unacceptable that it takes 1 to 2 seconds to change from landscape to portrait mode, and when you are scrolling that it feels so unperformant. All in all, i would not say that it's all the fault of the missing drivers, i also see that windows mobile itself is a perfect example of a bad implementation.

To be honest, i think maybe the solution is to completely replace the microsoft programs with our own developed programs and somehow we would get a better behavior of the machine.

Regards
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] FlaTEriC18041983:
a little off topic, but who cares in this thread ;)

I replaced WM6.0 with WM6.1 by swtos (Full Version, all HTC Apps installed) on my Polaris, then I used official camera patch, installed Coreplayer 1.2.2, and applied reg-patches for file system and font caching...

I feel like everything is going much faster now (surely not comparable with driver accel. working), but rotating screen as Imbranco said for example, is now almost instantaneous. I think from WM-side, those reg-patches do some good improvements... Disabling those (imho silly) Touch-Keyboard and -Keypad may accelerate things as well... I did so...

Anyway, I would very much love to see that HTC Diamond having the drivers, or the official WM6.1 for TyTN2 and Polaris having those already... Two new rays of hope...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lmbranco:
Hi,

I have tried many Rom's, and for an example, now i am running Dutty's latest, it's quite cool and fast, and it's "almost" instantaneous the screen change, however i have nothing important in the today screen, when i would add spb diary, then you can forget it :D

I have made my mind, my kaiser is now for sale, and i will buy a samsung i780, i really liked the fact of having a keyboard always available :D

Cheers,

Luís
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] draxredd:
from the Android tinkerers:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2138579&postcount=239

In essence, the tempering with roms and DLL is useless as the acceleration enabling switch is in the radio rom.

so it's a test 6500 radio rom we need and have a binary comparaison with a release radio to try to locate the damned switch.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NoThrills:
I disagree.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] draxredd:
i confess my ignorance of these deep magicks. but i'm trying to cross informations to foster collaboration onthis subject. are you in touch with the linux/android guys ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NetrunnerAT:
You are very wrong!

Its true, that the Radio Rom Start main Parts of the Hardware. FM-Radio, Wifi and Blue Tooth are a good example! The Radio Rom only Start it, if the SPL have sucessfull Init!!! Its true if you mean, you need the Radio Rom to write some special Data in a different NVRAM Section!

The most Guys search on the wrong Place.

The SPL setup the correct TFT Display, if you use the wrong Value in a special Code Block, you will get strange Colors and static Change to the Color White or like a Rainbow.

The SPL Initalised the GPU too. We must disassembly it and find the right Register too create more Shared Memory and Start up the 3D Engien.

All Guys they havent mess around with the Code in the SPL, doesnt know this!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] draxredd:
what if the radio rom doesn't "start it", precisely ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NetrunnerAT:
it doesnt work :->
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Kavalier:
todosmartphone.com phone

what happened to the todosmartphone.com phone?

if i spoke spanish i would call them myself.

i have learned that electronic communications are too easily avoidable, but if you can call, things happen.

does anyone speak spanish? if so find a number for the website and give them a call.

Steven Sullivan
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hambola:
Unfortunately tons of devices run Qualcomm processors. Just check out the press releases yesterday after they announced their numbers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] shafez:
Wrong and Deleted
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] johndabrit:
Awang A9000 tilt knock-off wtf?

Is it possible this device has the same chipset due to formfactor and drivers enabled due to its far superior video capabilities??? read on....

It's rare that i get pissed. Something i found lurking on the interweb while looking for light at the end of the tunnel for this driver problem is really getting to me . Check out the Awang A9000. You will see it ranked as a "cheap att tilt knock off" yet it has:

dual sim slots-very cool

2 cams(both are only 1.3mp-not so cool)

similar casing as tilt (kaiser,tytn II-very cool)

tilting ability.-very cool

FM tuner-very cool

TV tuner-kick ass

windows mobile 6-very cool

microSD slot(max 2gb)

GPS-very cool

The other specs are hard to come by but what pisses me off is this "cheap knock off" has way better video capabilities. A tv tuner for jeebus sake. WTF? Our kaisers cant even handle decent video playback let alone decode live tv on the fly. This is madness.

1. Is it possible that this is the same msm7200 or msm7500 qualcomm chipset with hardware acceleration enabled?

2. Does anybody have one or has ever used one?

3. Does anyone have chipset/video/any other specs for this device?

Thanks for your input,

-J
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ericmcintire:
interesting stuff... looks like if someone is REALLY curious it's gonna cost about $200 to find out... lots of info on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-Dual-Core-...oryZ3312QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/PH-A9000-TV-PDA...oryZ3312QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] aeacus:
This phone is defenitely not windows mobile. It uses the same software as the cheap iphones knock-offs.

You can tell by the white icons on the screen.

Stay away from that phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sohard4me:
lol!!! those are CHINA FONE (not phone). yup, indeed china phones are super cheap and have tv tuner built in, but not wm6, not qualcomm chipset, just some cheap imitation software + super loud speaker + 2 slots sim card.

why i know? because i seen them everyday
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Devtone:
The following site DOES say it comes with WM6, also check the pictures, HTC home plugin..

http://www.multicellphone.com/awang-a9000-htc-tytn-ii-clone-runs-windows-mobile/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] surgex0:
something just doesn't look right about that device

i dunno, i can't put my finger on it...

but that IPTV / video on demand looks pretty cool, I wish we had stuff like that in the USA :-\

Or even video calling...

The only comparison in the US is mobitv, which consists of like 30 channels that cycle 15 minute clips all day long -- and people actually pay for it lol.

But JEEZE, $185 for that phone, AND it has TV OUT as well...

Compare that to like the 600$-800$ kaiser...wow

And even if it IS a cheap knockoff - I don't see how it could be any WORSE than what the kaiser is already..heh

Anyone wanna order one of these?

If someone can find a spec sheet I'll consider it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Devtone:
Quality, quality, quality! ;) 600-800 is way to much for a kaiser but at least you have high quality casing, components and build by a quality factory!

Same reason in DONT own a E-ten, like the Glowfish! Quality, quality quality...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] surgex0:
Yeah, what about the quality of the software and user interface?

That's what concerns me...

I usually keep my device in a hardshell case and take really good care of it; so casing / build / form factor construction isn't really a concern to me...and higher quality materials and build / design is definately not worth an extra 600$! At least, not to me..

But I think I'm jumping the gun...as I've never even used this wang0r phone before...It's probably a POS :-P And I seriously doubt it has drivers

anyways :| this thread has gone way off topic :| so yeah...hopefully
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Devtone:
Quality of the software and user interface? Out of the box its crap, but this is XDA Developers you know ;) I have to say its improved the last years but out of the box the iPhone kicks any WM devices ass for normal users, it just works and it looks nice. I need a *load of software and flashes to get it working and look nice..

Its like buying a Mac with OSX pre-installed or buying a computer and install windows and customize.. in this case (cheap clone) your buying a as cheap as possible Chinese way computer and dont wonder why the PSU in the expensive system is almost as expensive as the whole cheap clone computer.

I loved the Wizard and love the Kaiser but I wouldn't recommend it to any friend unless he or she is a techfreak-computer-nerd just like me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dobbyone:
But it doesn't have a GPS
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] MrEous:
Totally agree...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Melkor:
...it is done...look at the new HTC Diamond with Manilla (TouchFlo 3D).

IT HAS 3D ACCELERATION!

...now where are the test devices, the need one...!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] FlaTEriC18041983:
nice news, hope rising again :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] InGeNeTiCs:
Maybe so, but it's using the MSM7201A. Which is NOT what the kaiser is using. It may be a step in the right direction, but you shouldn't get your hopes up with that one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cp_kirkley:
Not to be a malcontent - but until I see XDA Dev member's youtube video of a non demo'ed HTC device with 3d-acceleration. I'm not believing a g*d damned thing. This good news/bad update thing is nto good for the psyche.

My two cents.