yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
it will be 100% out on friday. whether in beta form or final form. it'll most likely be afternoon local time because thats when i'll have time to release. i would like a tuesday release though because would be very funny... dont u agree?? :p
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] mabury10:
A few questions (if you don't mind, if you do just don't answer :P):

Will the beta be usable? (maybe good to know for less experienced people);

What's your timezone?

NB: no not funny at all, as I said: I'm not getting my hopes up again.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
yes im using the rom right now. i have a list of things for me to do. little quirks so far only :)

im in USA on EST. same time as NY is
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] lpsi2000:
It would be funny if it was released Tuesday, however I think it would be great if it was released Today :)

Anyway, the Athena forum (specifically the Athena Mobile 6) is like the weather and the mood varies on where the wind blows. I think the reason why there are so much tension is because there are not enough cooks to feed this group and they are beyond starvation.

Nonetheless I am enjoying the various thread and the mood swing.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] sergiopi:
This is EXACTLY what I was trying to explain with my poor english in another topic: in the management schools "business model" ATHENA PROJECT, in a "free flow knowledge environment", is a looser model!

Resume of the Lesson N.1

Groups in knowledge economy

No single person in the large group want to test his skill against a "supergroup" and the same "supergroup" stops knowledge sharing, because they doesn't feel PART of OUR group, they are "SUPERGROUP" and they share their knowledge INSIDE that group. The large group are CUSTOMERS, morons, noobs in their feeeling

In this way nobody will have enought knowledge, or interest, to compete. Another group is needed, but is hard to start.

Resume of the Lesson n 2:

Supplier Lesson

If you have a supplier you CAN'T have only one. Always you need at least TWO, because in the beginning your supplier is nice and match your requests, EVERY supplier after some time feel free to match HIS OWN requests.

You need a SECOND supplier and you start and manage a COOPETITION (COOPERATE AND COMPETE)

This is not necessary exactly what is happening here, but managing the knowledge economy have some well known rules.

WE have some time to talk, and the the topic is "WY AP4.0 has not been released" :D

The answer IMHO is written in the past :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] vidmabal:
As I know Tuesday is Aplil 1'st...

May be it's one more April Fools’ trick?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] raskell:
Give me a break!

Once the community sees what is actually involved in making AP4.0 a success, you will have a better understanding why there is no step in between where you are today (aka AP3.0 Dark, Dual, AP2.0, etc..) and where you will be going.

In my view, and I am not an expert at this, its kind of analogous to those of us who suffered with brilliant new PDA devices with WM2003SE with a promise to jump to WM5 only to find out, by the way, all of the hardware configurations changed for WM5 so you'll never get there. Or imagine having spent $100 for your 2GB micro SD (maxed out for FAT 16) one month then the 4GB SDHC (FAT32) comes out the following month for $60 with the bar now raised to 32GB? What next NTFS on micro SD's?

Bottom line, and I know it won't help you guys, is wait for it. You really are flattering the team by showering them with impatient pleas and accusations. The more you praise them in this way, the longer they may have to savor it! You could be delaying the release yourselves! (certified BS ;) )

All should become CLEAR once you fully understand.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
lol. long and complicated post :p english version: it takes lots of work to make the ap 4.0 rom so be nice and be patient.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] weaselcossey:
I mean no offense, and maybe i'm completely ignorant on this topic, but isn't the x7510 already released in UK? Pre-order US price $1354.95.

http://www.expansys-usa.com/mp.aspx?i=163501
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Confucious:
No, Pre-Order in the UK too http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=163500

Expansys always have things on their site for pre-order as soon as they are announced....
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Confucious:
Then why not release it NOW as a beta with known bugs?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] mabury10:
Because Tuesday is more fun... :p Could all still be a big joke. :eek:
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Confucious:
I'm certainly not going to install anything on Tuesday!

I'm beginning to think it will never be released - if they wait until they are happy all the bugs have been ironed out we could be waiting a VERY long time...
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Olipro:
oh for ****s sake, do shut up.

firstly: you don't actually know what the bugs are other than the fact they exist, so you're hardly in a position to start quoting timeframes.

secondly: it *will* be released, but unfortunately, as far as I care, it's currently wank, so the aim is make it... well... not wank.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] mabury10:
I feel the need to say that my remark was ment as a joke. I case you wondered. ;)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Confucious:
I don't bother with my Athena now. Might do again if AP4 is ever released. It's the only WM phone where there isn't a choice of ROMs to play with and you are not allowed to try them until they are ready.

Think I'll just F*ck off and leave the Athena forums for a few weeks and have fun with my other phones.

WM6.1 pro on the StrTrk is fun :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] cmonex:
you don't really have SPL 1.30se
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] cmonex:
er who stopped sharing knowledge? i never have and never will... you have a question, just ask, and if i can then i will answer it. as an athena project member too.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] sergiopi:
In a developer forum sharing knowledge is something different IMHO from a "support center".

Sharing knowledge means sharing code, drivers, bugs, solutions found, releases. Telling someone how hard reset the ATHENA is a HOFO (Howard Forum) business!

I think is funny (and a little disturbing) to see here people with signature showing "SPECIAL SECRET EDITION" of hard SPL, and the answer to the question "what does it means?" was more or less: "special features, just for experts" :). This is just a single example!

Believe me, you will be surprised if you could know HOW MANY real experts here have a plain signature. :D

I know, there are REAL secrets in this business, but I don't believe they are revealed to people showing "secret" signatures, and, as I told before, signature are just an example!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
bc i think i fixed almost all. the only thing that seems left is the new vga htc album takes a while to load. also nikhil has had 1 disconnection. we are trying to figure out if its him or if theres still minor bt problems. ltxda has been busy so i cant ask him if he has any issues. im also waiting on a config app and mapping of ok key to be a send key for the manila dialer.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] boinger66:
this is more really a joke than an actual secret...

i think you are well aware we are all running 4.0 ... we have been sharing info as we get it to be honest... you just need to chill out really
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
yep. no one ment to make anyone angry with the secret stuff. it was ment as a joke. also by nikhil i mean boinger :p
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] marthynovak:
what is HardSPL 1.30.Olipro ? i have only 1.20
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
we share what we can. example is we shared opera with u guys. the latest one i will share when i get the ok. anything i have that i can release i share.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
new version that will be available and required for ap 4.0 This is do to repartitioning of the device. i lost my wifi by trying to flash a 7510 rom to my x7500. oh well ill get around to fixing it some day :p
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] marthynovak:
HardSPL 1.30.Olipro will I flash separately or it will include in the ROM itself?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] raskell:
From what I gather, it is likely to be a separate flash, like a device preparation step, then immediately followed by the ROM Flash. What hasn't been discussed yet (not that I have seen) is will this 'SE' special edition SPL flash be reversible or will we be 100% committed to PK4.0 and higher? Not that that is a bad thing, just not enough information yet known about this new tandem combo, SPLse and ROM.:confused:
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] rorydaredkign:
ill be the first to install.. im not scared about some april fools joke :p

rory
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] boinger66:
basicly what it does is repartition the device to allow for a bigger rom size...

but we arent really using the size so it instead frees up 20 MB of space
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] toastedlogic:
New SPL..

Boinger, does this mean that we will have even more free memory from base install? Or will all the new VGA apps take up that space.. ;)

20mb is substantial... Does this new SPL clear out the ext. rom and repartition the device using that? Sorry, just very interested.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] boinger66:
well we needed more memory for the newer roms so we basicly took that from storage space ie. the 140mb of program memory is now 120 mb
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
correct. u'll have less free space. its not by too much though. u have to remember when u installed the 3.0 rom the ext rom ran and those cabs took up space. now the ext rom is empty so those cabs aint ran.

if i remember correctly u will be able to go to the old hardspl or a stock spl with no problems. this will be just if u want to use the new 4.0 rom or any 7510 roms.

i believe u will have a unlocker like the current one but this will just flash the spl. afterwords it'll be just like 3.0
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] cmonex:
i see you are resenting some old post that you totally misunderstood.

i assumed xda wiki tells you the meaning of MFG spl. if i'm wrong and it doesn't, well, it has extra commands, and is supercid by default. do you need to know more, then ask.

you are right on one thing, _some_ of the real gods do have plain signatures, and they are: as examples, itsme and mamaich (of course not just them before someone wants to misunderstand this too).

you are wrong too, though: other people, with interesting signatures, such as pk, do still have access to "secret" roms etc. - i put "secret" in quotes because the point is not that it is secret, it is just non public so sources don't get into trouble, that simple, i hope that idea can be grasped.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] cmonex:
MFG bootloader for athena 1.0 (not 1.5)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] cmonex:
huh? i haven't heard about this, what's up with your wifi, tell me on MSN.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] cmonex:
then pk replied like this...>

no, pawel, you moron. :P

that'll be 3.10.Olipro most likely... because the original SPL was 3.03 (for athena 1.5 to do the repartitioning).

the 1.30 is, as i just said, MFG bootloader for "old" athena 1.0. nothing to do with the new rom.

yes, separate flash, you need to update the SPL to run this new OS. if some people don't like that, then i'm considering getting the team to release one rom version that is based on old SPL, just will have less features, as it will have less space for them, obviously.

not program memory, storage memory. just to be precise :)

er? that sounds confusing... we do use it for the new rom.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] boinger66:
err yea meant storage space ...
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
thanx for explaining that. i guess ill just keep my sig more plain from now on :p though when i have stuff like that on there people know im working on stuff.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
lol like im supposed to know ur numbering. its just a guess anyway :p

about msn.....u aint on lately when i am :p
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] mackaby007:
Ungrateful mothaf.....s!! Not the Team.

Hi Team. Nice to finally catch up with ya.;)

What a load of ****ing abuse you guys & gals have to put up with these days!! Looks like the MackDaddy needs to seek and destroy some of these toddlers on the scene and *****-slap some of the seniors who have been lacking in attention..lol.

Don't mind the impatient ones and many thanks to the patient ones.

AP 4.0? Nice! Love the fact that you guys are still going strong with all the work you guys got on your plate.

So are the moany members here now paying you guys wages or the likes? I noticed some wannabes with sub 15 posts in 6 months having something to say like they were part of the community that helped to start, finance or in any way support the project. Ungrateful little children.

So much BS from so many...can't believe what I'm reading. If people are not happy with what they are getting, by all means start another team and do better. Healthy competition is always good for all involved, especially the end user (community)!

Anyway, for all those that contributed..thanks again folks..the money went on exactly what was stipulated from the get-go. No one on the team has profited financially in ANY way!

Hell I'd want more than the donations that were received to continually keep me away from real paid work and more importantly..my family...not to mention sleepless nights touching the keyboard instead of some wet.....ANYWAY....I'm no longer a team member so speak for myself.

I've come to know the team and they are all the 'salt of the earth' and work the nuts off to make us all happier with our devices.

If you don't like the rate at which you are getting the ROMs...go use your own brains and learn to cook you lazy ****ers and stop leaching off those who sacrifice their time for the likes of you.

Sorry about my language...No **** that. Sorry I ever put so much effort into this in the past just to see SOME *****es complaining like they invested real money into this project.

If you wanna complain...write to HTC and Microsoft for all the shortcomings of the Software and hardware, instead of pressuring fellow members who are voluntarily 'grafting' for your benefit...*****es!!

No ****ing wonder Oli ain't got no time for you ladyboys. You moan too much and contribute **** all except...when will the ROM be released...and why so many secrets...and I'm bored and have no life so need a new ROM every 5 mins.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] toastedlogic:
Here, here...

... I agree with what Mack said. As you can tell by my post count 'Ive been a lurker on XDA for some time, but I've spent loads of time on other boards and really haven't had the time to post much until recently. But I know my place and would never expect something from the AP team. My recent donation was long overdue for what the team has already given me, 3 kick ass roms with tons of exclusive features and programs that I wouldn't otherwise have access to.

To the whole team, thank you! You make the best roms I've ever flashed to any device.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
ahhh the old mack. man does he know how to make a entrance and man do we miss him on the team. thanx for all ur kind words and setting everyone straight. u of all people know what goes on behind the scenes as u were there for a while.

u need to find time and rejoin the team. get on msn some time soon and we can catch up.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] boinger66:
ah welcome back mack... and thanks for your words of support :)

you da man
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Confucious:
When will the ROM be released...and why so many secrets...and I'm bored and have no life so need a new ROM every 5 mins.

;)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] mackaby007:
Thank you for your support.;) That last post of mine was in no way aimed at you or others who don't post regularly (you obviously have a life ;))....just the moaners.

Your logic is far from toasted...lol.:)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] mackaby007:
Nice to hear from one our staunch supporters..lol. You still make me laugh. How are you?;)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] mackaby007:
Hey Guys!!

Hey PK and boinger. How are you my bros? Great to see you guys still at it. You're doing a fantastic job. I admire your longevity and dedication to the project and community. I will be back....as soon as we've moved house again..lol (I'll explain on MSN when I get some real time). Besides I'm in 2 minds about getting the 16GB Athena or wait for some spare dough to get the Shift.;) Ultimately I'll be getting both.:)

We'll catch up real soon guys. Remember I won't come back until I can dedicate myself to the project like before and have something fresh to bring to the table...we'll talk.;)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] NeilM:
Hi mack- welcome back with the wise words :)

It was you who pointed us over at 4WM to the great work of the Athena Project, and got us contributing to the cause.

Time to roll the sleeves up again maybe! (if only to grab the rolling pin and bash a few heads :) )
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] sergiopi:
mr President!

WOW!:eek:

We had mr President visiting our school!!!! And he said "some kids are good boys and some kids are bad boys", high five to some others...

He tells to the kids to be nice with the teachers, and to the teachers to do their job! :p

I hope I was good ENUFF ;)

I really have something to tell to mum tonight! I am SOOOOOO excited, and from now on everything will be fine in our school! :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
nice to see everyone give mack a warm welcome.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
nice to see u want to come bac. get any of them. both are great. ltxda said he hated the keyboard on the shift the times he tried it.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Confucious:
Welcome back - hope life is treating you as well as it's treating me. Good luck with your move!

I think the rest of the team have learnt to ignore me and if I can raise the odd laugh and maybe (gods forbid) even help someone in passing then so much the better.

The team want to wait until the ROM is fit for humans - they seem to forget that there are idiots like me that just want to play even if it is cr*p.

But I guess, if I had half a brain and was in there shoes I'd probably do the same.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
lol. exactly what i been saying.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
lol u have more braing then u think. people like u keep us going :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] rorydaredkign:
about yourself or Confucious?

Rory
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Confucious:
Goody! I have a braing :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
confucious.

sorry if i didnt make that obvious.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
lol yes u do. and wow my internet finally got stable :p was taking for ever to load any pages or reply
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Confucious:
Not just yours - seems like a prob with this site this eve - but all fine now :)

Maybe the site was running AP4.0.....
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
lol... couldnt have been. ap 4.0 runs fine and is fast.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Confucious:
If it did you would have let us have her by now.

And the ROM....
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] c1oudrs:
Hey yeah, and this is strangely familiar!--I'm looking for a heart! I wonder if the wizard can fix me up with a new rom/heart? :D

I appreciate all the team has done. I have held off on wm6, the new opera so as to get the fullest affect from pk3 to the pk4! Can't wait (but of course I will and can.) But I check several times a day.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
last days of testing. fixing issues with weatherpanel and wmwifirouter only at this point and doing heavy testing on other apps. trying not to miss anything.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Confucious:
If you want more testers you know where to find us ;)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
hmm might give u a call soon :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] mackaby007:
Hey Neil!:) Nice to see you. Things are looking fab over at 4winmo....love that site....just lurking over there these days. Great to see you here though.;)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] mackaby007:
haha lol. You are so diplomatic sergiopi.:) It's nice that we can voice our opinions and recover from disagreeing with oneanother.;)

Here's to progress.

lol......tried to submit: The following errors occurred when this message was submitted:

1. You have included 6 images in your message. You are limited to using 4 images so please go back and correct the problem and then continue again.

Leave some humour for me.;)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] tsfnet:
Yep, wonderful, that's what life's all about ..

thanks for this one ... as im' still new to this forum and it's members, developers, seniors, noobs i simply don't care about names and history. BUT i really love people pointing out what's going on in real life (e.g. where the money derives for living, eating and son on ...)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pawel062:
yep also hate when that happens. i usually delete the ones in the quote. also on a side not check ur pm box mack.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] lpsi2000:
Look who decide to pay us a visit. What is this April Fool:). I am glad I decided not to read this forum for anything on the 1st, then I would have definitely said this was a fake. Nonetheless, it is good to see you are still breathing and taking care of your personal matters. Good luck with moving and I hope you won't have to do another one. Moving is such a pain, I still have boxes from my last move almost 3 years ago. I will try to expand or renovate before I move again.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] mackaby007:
Hiya lpsi2000 nice to see you too.:) I hate moving...but we must keep the wive happy..lol.

Currently searching around for a Shift (reasonably priced)...that'll cheer me up.

Oh well, 2 more days for AP 4.0 is it?:)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] NeilM:
Ah well- you know you are welcome when you decide to contribute again! We'll have to start an 'Emporer' forum :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] lpsi2000:
yep, it is all about keeping the wives happy. Hmm, looking for a Shift! That sounds interesting but I don't know what my next device will be yet. I thought the Shift would be too bulky to carry around. We need something like the Iphone size with GPS and Windows Mobile.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Deiota:
hi!

i need to know if this AP 4.o ROM will come out since I deseperatly need to flash a ROM...

thanks

deiota
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Martincyborg@gmail.com:
i can sell you a shift for about 1500$. You will have to pay sending from Oslo, but that shouldn't be too prizy. send me a PM if you are interested.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] gavmiller:
mackaby007. I'm selling my Shift for £750 inc P&P.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Srv-02:
wait for the sony xperia x1 .. it's built by htc
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VishalAdamas:
The recent update of 5.7.5 version didnt improved the sound quality instead it made the sound more creepy . Juat like the sound of Ghost. Plz help guys.