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[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
Yet there's LG, Huawei, Asus, OnePlus, Apple again (Possible larger screen model with notch) and possibly Google (Remember it's all rumor/leaks that are subject to change) that are releasing notch displays. Some year of the pop-up camera it's turning out to be. [emoji6]
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EnIXmA:
Noan, those were release before these sliding mechanism phones were released, trend has changed now. How come Samsung is not in that list? Hmm
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
?? whatever you say. Take that Samsung rumor with a grain of salt:

https://youtu.be/QvSLWmDE-hs
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EnIXmA:
No man.. Samsung would already have copied the notch with s9, but they won't. Leaks are legit, this YouTuber is sh*t.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Electroluxray:
The slideout camera has been thought of before Vivo and Oppo https://androidcommunity.com/german-engineering-re-imagines-the-smartphone-camera-20170317/

And my old Samsung D820 could flip the camera around front and back https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_d820-1356.php

I would love, love, love to see more engineering at work that doesn't involve a stupid, screen-intruding blotch, I mean notch. Even a manual, non motorized flip to front/rear camera. If the future goal is no bezels, we need something that hides in the back of the phone, or (science fiction at this point) an under screen camera.

Bleh. Baby steps I guess. We'll see what happens in 2025. Meanwhile an asteroid collides with Earth, and we've wasted all this time bickering about notches haha.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Strephon Alkhalikoi:
The notch sucks. I can't stand it because it looks ridiculous, but I also am not going to have to worry about for a while yet. In any event, the notch is the next step in the smartphone's evolution into an all screen device. However, your declaration that the notch is dead is way too premature, and is not supported by the evidence.

The YouTuber is from Android Authority, a reputable site, unlike the twitter user whose post he reported about. Your claim that the "YouTuber is s***" is patently false.

You're wishing the "leak" is indeed real. It's not however: it's been Photoshopped. The photo manipulation can be clearly seen, and the reporter dutifully reported this fact.

Seeing two devices with pop-up cameras does not constitute a revolution. Until we see major device manufacturers* like Samsung utilize a motorized camera, the notch will continue to be present in devices. If Apple ever got rid of the notch, the Android device manufacturers would eliminate their notches in a heartbeat. That is an indisputable fact.

*I do not consider Oppo a major device manufacturer, no matter how big they are in China.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] manners400:
Like it or not the Notch is here as everyone aims for a more bezel-less solution. I am not an enthusiast of the Notch but I'm fine with the option of software hiding it as long as it works seemlessly with apps and truly blends with the screen/real bezels when I opt not to utilize it. I could believe the 3XL will indeed have a notch due to Google providing such enhancements within Android software.

As for the S10 I can definitely see them having a true full screen solution without bezels before the other top manufacturers only because they are the leading maker of screens which allows then to cut cost because they own the technology but knowing Samsung it will come with a downside such as reduced speaker sound, possible touch latency issues etc which Google or Apple will not compromise. Phone makers have already done different bezel-less options but the key for big companies are making them cost effective and durable enough to a standard of not treading backwards (Ex. Cost to make/repair a mechanical camera pop out & is it durable enough for the average user). Nice design is a plus but Function comes first for me.

And Samsung copies Apple, Apple copies Samsung, Google Copies etc so as for Samsung not copying the notch they instead decided to copy Animojis ?. Copying is good when it works in the consumer favor but I understand a notch is not what every consumer wants.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] vwgti18:
I like the notch tbh its not bad.. That top part of the screen is just used for notifications. Im pumped for the Pixel 3 XL
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Face_Plant:
The notch doesn't bother me too much either. At least it's not as wide as the notch on the cryPhone X. The only thing that really bothers me about the Pixel 3 XL is the humongous "chin".
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] biggiestuff:
I can understand you tolerating the notch but liking it? Folks argue that the part by the notch is just notifications but on phones like the vivo, they've utilized that space for notifications AND for full screen when watching videos or viewing photos.

I've started disliking the notch less and less but if given a choice, I'll take a 5.7" notchless vs a 6" notched screen.

Android phones copying the notch is the equivalent of Kevin Durant joining the warriors.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] vwgti18:
Yeah but front facing speakers + notch and a little chin is way better then the vivo full screen with a side speaker which still has a chin it's just a little smaller. Idk just my opinion the notch dosny bother me on my OP6 will see what the Pixel3 xl is all about.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Electroluxray:
I was wrong. Here's the first "flip around" camera

https://m.gsmarena.com/siemens_u10-535.php
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] kingdazy:
Ya know, I bought 2 new Pixel 2's (regular for my wife,XL for me) just a week before the renders started to show up, and for just a bit I was having buyers remorse. 'Should I have just waited? Will this phone be inferior in just a few months?'

After seeing this notch crap (IMO horrible design), and a major hype being possible face recognition (snore), I don't regret the purchase at all.

I'm still getting a kick out of all the phones just now getting Oreo. And us Pixel owners are about to get P. ?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] galaxys:
If this is it, I still have some doubts, then it needs a Doctor to cure its many ills! :eek:
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] MArtyChubbs:
Notch aside I'm sure the phone will be better than the 2017 phones in all aspects and if you follow the typical 24-month upgrade cycle it is a huge improvement over the pixel and the XL

The question I have will 4 gig ram be Google's small iPhone screen? As Apple held on to that Antiquated design for longer than the market did
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] @home:
Who is making the screen for the 3 XL? If LG are doing it again I'd steer well clear.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] MArtyChubbs:
You guessed it... LG
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] zetsumeikuro:
There will be green shift for the 3XL as an intended feature instead of the blue shift that our 2 XL's have :silly:
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Reuben_skelz92:
Like Samsung displays improve every year the LG ones will be the same
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] @home:
I'l stick with my 2XL. Nice for the timely updates.

I've gone for the Note 9 - NO NOTCH, Headphone Jack etc. Slow updates I know. Oh well
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] WorldOfJohnboy:
^^^Yup! I will take FF speakers and bezels/notch ALL.DAY.LONG. Nothing worse than a crappy a__ speaker on the side of a phone. I listen/watch too much through my speakers to have it any other way.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] galaxys:
^I hear ya, I use my front facing speakers all the time!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Badger50:
Oh C'mon....who doesn't want this! ?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] MArtyChubbs:
The one on the right is a hipster! Lookin cool as hell... The left looks unnatural
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] aaronrw:
Anyone using the software notch on their 2xl and why?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] deadlast_28:
To see if I can tolerate that abomination on the Pixel 3 XL as I think the Pixel 3 will be too small for me..

Wife is getting my Pixel 2 XL so I need a new phone anyway....

Oneplus 6t may be my fallback....
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Hand76:
Is this the only Pixel 3 Xl thread on Xda?

Have any pics been leaked of the device with the notch blacked out?

I would really like to see that before deciding. I need a new Android soon, but don't want a Samsung. Really something with minimal bloatware and easy to root
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] StrangerWeather:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNXXHJeejpI

So what do you guys think? Is the notch fake news?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Hand76:
I don't know. Too much has been shown already. Why would they put an ugly phone out there to fake it.

For all we know a designer at Google, who's idea wasn't used, asked for all these clips to show his boss that no one likes the concept they went with
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Prattham:
I feel like there will be 3 phones including the ultra but the notch one will stay
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Strephon Alkhalikoi:
Any phone to be sold in the US has to pass FCC certification. FCC certifications are a matter of public record. If a third phone was to be made by Google it would also have to pass FCC certification. Only two phones were offered to the FCC for certification: the Pixel 3 and the Pixel 3 XL. Therefore no "Ultra" phone exists.

Once FCC certification has been achieved the design of the device cannot be changed or else the certification is rendered invalid. No such change has been recorded as changes are also part of the public record. Therefore, the Pixel 3 XL will have a notch.

The YouTuber's theory is disproven on the basis of the facts presented above. The reason for Google's possible request for undefined snippets of the YouTuber's review is unknown, and not relevant to the facts.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Face_Plant:
There's still a chance that the device that was certified by the FCC is not the one that has been leaked constantly over the past month. I'm hopeful that the device we've been seeing is just an early prototype and/or distraction for the media to keep the real Pixel 3 XL hidden, but that's unlikely.

Even if this isn't true and it does have an excessively deep notch, I'm still planning to buy one to replace my dying 6P.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Strephon Alkhalikoi:
Part of the FCC certification process includes images of the devices. There is no such thing as a "hidden" device: all devices MUST be certified by the FCC. There can be no changes to a device once certified.

There is a zero percent chance we're going to see a Pixel 3 XL without a notch. Zero.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ram4ufriends:
Just curious.. how do we know that leaks released are from actually FCC certification?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Strephon Alkhalikoi:
I have to backtrack on something I said earlier. Checking the FCC regs, images are NOT required. I thought they were.

I apologize for the error.

That said, based upon information posted on the FCC website, such a radical redesign as the removal of the notch would entail would require Google to recertify the device.

That doesn't answer the actual question, but as noted already the image requirement was an error on my part. The renders and other images did not come from the FCC and therefore the leaks cannot be from the FCC.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] cwalker0906:
You are assuming the notched device was the one registered with fcc
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Strephon Alkhalikoi:
Any changes in design require additional paperwork, and in this case would most likely require a complete recertification, all of which would be noted in the public record. There is none of that present.

There are no assumptions here, only cold hard facts. Based not just upon the public record but the fact that Google lost a batch of Pixel 3 XL devices that somehow found their way into the hands of Russian bloggers as well as the P3XL left in a Uber/Lyft/whatever driver's car. There is no way Google would produce so many examples of a finished device only to bury it in favor of a device without a notch. Between the aforementioned leaks showing the physical design of the phone to the lack of FCC documentation regarding any changes to either Pixel 3 design, there is zero chance the P3XL will be introduced without a notch.

Now whether you choose to believe a YouTuber or choose to believe me is of no concern here. Just note that at least one of us is trying to make his argument using facts at hand and isn't dependent upon page hits to make a buck.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Hand76:
So lets say we want to, and black out the notch on the 3XL.

Whats better a Pixel 2 XL or a Pixel 3 XL? You still get more screen real estate with the 3 XL?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] cwalker0906:
So what is the design in the FCC that you claims that needs to be changed? There is none, so therefore nothing has to be changed. A rectangle phone and a screen size, it's not blueprints. My only argument is you think you have stated facts but really haven't. Just your assumption. I'll make it even simpler, show me the FCC filing that even mentions or shows a notch
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] cwalker0906:
Here I'll even post it for you. Nothing on the design of phone
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Strephon Alkhalikoi:
You're missing the point. If the screen were redesigned to eliminate the notch, regardless of every single leak showing a notch in the phone, Google would need to get the entire device recertified. No such recertification has occurred, meaning the P3XL is going to have a notch.

Everyone is so desperate for Google to "see reason" regarding the notch that they have to latch onto conspiracy theories created by news outlets because of one YouTuber saying Google wanted to use a clip from him. The way the YouTuber presented it was designed to troll, and you all fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Because you've all become blinded by hatred of the notch.

We'll find out for certain next month.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Face_Plant:
I think what everyone is trying to say is there's no evidence that the device that was certified by the FCC is the one that we've been seeing in the leaks. The one from the leaks could be an early prototype that was later redesigned with a smaller notch/chin before being sent off to the FCC for certification.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Strephon Alkhalikoi:
The pictures in the opening post of this thread are of a prototype device. If a screen redesign were to happen it would have happened in the prototype stage.What the Russian bloggers have are examples of a finished product, meaning no screen redesign.

WYSIWYG.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Badger50:
What you see is what you get! Nice acronym :good::good:
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] krabman:
One of the oldest, was out there long before LOL, TBH, and so on.

Edit... Oops, accidentally hit the post button. As to the notch, it's probably going to be there but the FCC is not proof positive. Google easily has the resources to make a few notched phones for just such shenanigans if they were of a mind. The device certified at the FCC could be sans notch. It could have a notch. We dont know which is true. Remember they need that certification for sale, not for prototype devices that were never meant for sale and were "lost". It all really depends on what they certified and the bottom line is that we don't know. But yeah, going back to the beginning it's likely got the notch and wishful thinking is largely the reason for this theory.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] lucky_strike33:
We will eventually find out in a month...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] rkial:
It doesnt even have to be made for "shenanigans" as you put it. Notch was a thing last year . Google could very realistically have been working on a prototype with that design.

The leaked phones had a screenshot of 4/5th July... and the reviewer on mobile-review said it was an alpha prototype.

There is no reason why Google couldnt have changed their mind.

A quick look at the FCC listing says Google has asked for permanent confidentiality about the block diagram of the phones being reviewed.. (180 days for the external/internal photos and the manual) . It is something they didnt do last year .

Another thing is that their could be a 3rd phone to be announced in Oct and go on sale before the holidays... like the iphone last year. the iPhone didnt get FCC certification till after it was announced and just before it went on for pre-order (in Nov iirc).. The two leaked phones could be 699/799 and a new one at 999 to basically compete with Apple.

None of this is proof that there is another phone.. But nothing contradicts the possibility of another phone either..

The biggest thing against the theory of another phone is the complete lack of leaks.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
The Pixel 2XL was leaked before July 2017 and it didn't change at all.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] cwalker0906:
One if the things that struck me as peculiar, was if Russians stole a crate of phones it would definitely be all over the news, not just a few random YouTubers. It would be big news considering the state of our nation. There is no way around that which leads me to believe it's a hoax
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] krabman:
My post was in reference to the idea that the FCC is proof positive of the notch being a certainty, it isn't. Many possibilities exist, and yeah, a 3rd phone is one of them. Is it likely? Not so sure, even a holiday release would have a number of evolved prototypes out there by now. On the other hand the leaks of the super notch phone are very convenient, egregious even when considering them in total. I imagine most of your recall the lost iPhones, it was serious business, goons n black suits in one of the cases but Google looses them by the case and give it a meh? That's a strange behavior for very expensive intellectual property/corporate secrets.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] MArtyChubbs:
Pixel Ultra has no notch. I will get that one.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Strephon Alkhalikoi:
Pixel Ultra doesn't exist and never existed. You'd end up getting a Pixel 3, as it won't have a notch.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] StrangerWeather:
Interesting to see that https://www.gsmarena.com/ has both the Pixel 3 and Pixel 3 XL at 6GB RAM. I wonder where they got that from. I thought until now all the rumours were for 4GB RAM. To me, that makes quite a big difference!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] lucky_strike33:
Looks like it got pulled cuz I don't see anything in that article.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] uicnren:
https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_3_xl-9257.php
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] StrangerWeather:
Are you guys more likely to buy it at 6GB RAM in spite of the notch? I think i am...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] galaxys:
6 GB will give me some hope...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] biggiestuff:
if the pixel 3 (smaller one) is 6gb i'll probably go with that one.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] :
you know you will be able to "hide" the notch, right ?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] sruel3216:
Yeah then you have a huge bezel...

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Yes still going back and forth on upgrading to small pixel 3 from my 2 xl. 6g if ram and a much upgraded screen may do it for me
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] biggiestuff:
But the likelihood of it having 6gb is slim so we can stop dreaming haha
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] sruel3216:
Haha damn it! Can't wait for October regardless.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] biggiestuff:
I know! Someone in my family is getting a new phone. New Android, iPhone, something.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] sruel3216:
I just still can't believe Google is going with that huge notch. It's so damn ugly...(watch I'll probably get the 3 xl lmao)

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Gesture nav will be a huge deciding factor for me. I hate gesture nav. Need normal nav for an option
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] sruel3216:
Hoping the multitasking is improved. That might make it a real reason for me to switch. My messages app is killed off within minutes. Almost all stock Google apps are killed so fast.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] cd993:
[youtube]Y6cJQlja6OQ[/youtube]

Interesting!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] PMad:
If you buy ANY android phone with a notch, you are agreeing that Apple is better, that Apple sets the standards and Android follows. You are also agreeing that notches are good. If you avoid notches, and we do this all together in the masses, then we tell the mfg's that a notch is unacceptable, and we will not be sheep to their lazy engineering, especially this ridiculous notch showing up on the pixel 3 xl... Seriously, after all the hate and crap talk when the iPhone's came out last year with a notch, how they have still NOT been widely accepted, and they still come out with one anyway, yet its worse than Apples crap? This is unacceptable. Its not going to be much of a step up from the Pixel 2 XL so i'll stick with my Pixel 2 XL. If I upgraded, it would be to the Pixel 3, not the XL. That phone should burn in hell if it truly has that notch! I really hope Google is jerkin our chains here....
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] TonikJDK:
Notches are good. They move the notifications up to unused space giving you more usable regular space.

Thanks Apple!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
People said the same thing with the removal headphone jacks. It's not that serious.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] PMad:
Its been quite serious for me. I'm not going to bring a good expensive headphones to work with me just for the few times a day i need to use headphones to listen to something privately. Wireless headphones cost significantly more than regular headphones, and when you purchase a cheap pair of wireless headphones as your way of saying "Hey you can get them cheap too!" then you are effectively getting the quality of a decent pair of wired headphones. There's a lot of marketspace left for wired headphones and i frequently have uses for them and many situations where if wireless was all i had and my headphones died on me, i'm just straight up screwed. Most people i know are affected quite a bit by this as well, and carrying around an extra dongle is just not a satisfactory solution to not having a headphone jack.

The fact is, there's many different to deal with moving the equipment around or minimizing the notch completely so that instead, you get more usable screen real estate, check the Oppo Find X, The Essential Phone, the Realme 2 Pro, and the Oppo F9 Pro.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
For me, I've never even used the dongle because Bluetooth everything. Yet you still got the phone and delt with it. There's nothing that seriously wrong with the notch. It's not pretty but there's nothing functionally wrong/annoying with it like not having a headphone jack.