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[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Rejecting notifications by default is one of the main feature/default setting (as mentioned by the description) and I'm open for debate but I really like it that way and will try to argument it:

I see lot of websites asking you about notifications. And remember, on Chrome, notifications prompts are modal. This means you cannot do anything without accepting or rejecting.

https://88162.alexs off.com

Try this website on Chrome for example, vs Kiwi.

There are some useful notifications (think Slack, or email, for example) but in this case I believe that alternatives (native app) can do it even better but maybe there are some useful cases I didn't think about ?

I tend to like that you go by yourself activate notifications (and maybe the best way would be to include a "bell" in the menu like on YouTube ?) to avoid prompting the user, and also to avoid the spam in general.

Of course if you really want notifications, there is always the possibility. Go on the address bar, click on the Page logo, and explicitly allow notifications.

I'm keen to hear opinions,
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Do you have any scenario or page or website in mind where Via is faster than Kiwi ? :o

This way I can see what could be improved.
[Android Apps and Games] sundilsan:
Kiwi is much faster than VIA. Just testet.
[Android Apps and Games] cnkzlyr:
Im using s5 exynos 2gb ram. Chrome and kiwi lags everywhere for me specially, when I go twitter with private mode, while writing a DM it is lagging very much. Or sometimes scrolling lag on random sites etc. Not a problem lag but can be upgrade I think ?
[Android Apps and Games] vrwmiaris1:
Browser stuck when I'm trying to select something on rtings.I must close it to use it again.

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[Android Apps and Games] sedan206:
Do it, it will be the most convenient browser...

At the moment, use the browser with one hand uncomfortable

especially if the screen is 5.5 inches or higher

Google Chrome will never do it, hope is only on you

on the first screenshot, at the bottom right, viewing history button

I really hope that you will listen to the request

sorry for bad english, I'm from russia

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[Android Apps and Games] azZA_09:
[MENTION=9196003]arnaud42[/MENTION] One request: remove that annoying most visites webpage. After I acces any page, it will save there. I cant stand to see all my page history everytime I open a new page. I turnes off homepage, but it didnt so the trick
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Is changing your homepage to about:blank or enough or you want a checkbox to enable/disable the new tab page tiles ? (the most visited squares)
[Android Apps and Games] jascolli:
A check box to disable it would be great! I hate seeing the history too.

It would be nice to have book marks be a home page
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Ah I totally agree about the bookmarks as homepage (in one way or another), the automatic tiles are 50/50 good idea.

I have one idea, if in the longer term, bookmarks/speed dial become home page, then shouldn't the checkbox actually be the "Clear data on exit" instead of "Hide New Tab Page Tiles" ?
[Android Apps and Games] jascolli:
Sounds perfect
[Android Apps and Games] azZA_09:
Why no both :D? The clear data on exist could be something like firefox focus, deleting your history everytime you exit the app. Hide new tab page tiles sounds a lot better, hiding news and those and just a clean new tab. *Also, dont forget to automatically resize if someone choose to remove new tab page and keep news*

Also, what do you think of a pure black theme? Because i think that the dark theme you use is something related to inversing colours
[Android Apps and Games] dadaz007:
Any way to not hide url bar when scrolling ? It's really anoying !

Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] Pectoral:
I feel like this is a nitpicky/minor thing but can you also make the address bar animated when it is being expanded and retracted?
[Android Apps and Games] gadiyar:
Links on news.ycombinator.com don't seem to work in Kiwi. Anyone else seeing the same behavior?
[Android Apps and Games] theasters:
Work perfect on my phone.
[Android Apps and Games] b.roid:
this could be an issue with my ROM or setup. I don't have gapps installed so no google services.

I use gmail and twitter inside kiwi and have enabled notifications but nothing comes thru.

again this could be my setup is the problem.
[Android Apps and Games] theasters:
Mr. arnaud42, please check :

Please it is possible the option that we can open "bookmarks.html" directly on Kiwi, android give me the option to open with html editor,chrome, samsung...but not with Kiwi ,if you can ad that option we can keep like 1 bookmark, all bookmarks from Chrome, explorer ,firefox...
[Android Apps and Games] sexation:
Hi! I tried your web browser and its so good!

But im looking for a browser that's is able to play prime video on it, i tried many android web browsers and when im going to play a video it say that there is a problem with "widevinecdm ". Can you add it to your browser?

Thanks for your work!
[Android Apps and Games] Bingley:
Once I can import my logins/cookies from Brave ill be on this, but eould love the ability to toggle blocked aspects as per Brave's sheild, is this possible?

How does this compare to Brave & Bromite?
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
It's not an issue with your rom, I disconnected the browser from most of Google services and this is why your case doesn't work.

It's a good thing for user privacy, but a bad thing for user experience.

Websites can send notification while you are on the website (these one work without problem).

However, websites can also send you notifications when you are not active, and in this case, the notification has to go through servers at Google.

Since I removed Google and you don't have Play Services, this doesn't work.

Maybe I should add it back, it's a compromise privacy/functionality/battery (if you don't have Play Services, the browser has to hang around in the background waiting for one).

Personally, I am fine without notifications, because if something matters to me (emails, Slack, Skype, etc) I tend to use native client and I believe that notifications are otherwise very distracting (not to say, annoying).

Again, this is just an opinion.
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Use Brave if you want to earn crypto-money by watching ads or replacing ads or selling your browsing data.

Use Bromite if you want to block ads.
[Android Apps and Games] zputnyq:
[MENTION=9196003]arnaud42[/MENTION]

Thank u for this browser.

I think if it's possible u can push this browser to f-droid too.

And I hope there's an improvement for x64 devices.
[Android Apps and Games] KaaMyA:
I think TugaBrowser had a good balance with its new tab... but I don't know if this is from CAF side, however... It had something similar to "Simplified NTP" flag (which activated, adds Bookmarks and Downloads links at the top, but in the case of Kiwi, as a consequence is generating too many news and disables recent dowloads) plus a third link with History, being the usual start page the first of a total o four links at the top.

I imagine Kiwi could keep a new tab with four links at the top, being the first one for most visited favorites ONLY (around 8-10-12-15 icons) plus news and/or recent sites in a list below. Then a second and third link with Favorites and Downloads, followed with a fourth one with History, which could add clean/edit features.

Perhaps there could be space to add more than four links at the top, since they could be left as mere icons without text... Even it could use a switch to fix all of them at the bottom.

Thanks, [MENTION=9196003]arnaud42[/MENTION] ?
[Android Apps and Games] b.roid:
I don't think f droid allows chromium based browsers from what I've heard. I just use XDA labs or yalp.

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I totally agree with you :good: I'm always for more privacy and that means less Google. I didn't know it needed google to make the notifications work. it really isn't a big deal and yes the notifications can be annoying at times.
[Android Apps and Games] csagan5:
F-Droid does not discriminate based on the engine but on the presence of binary blobs and of course being able to build from scratch; we might soon see a Chromium-based browser on F-Droid, there is a mention in the F-Droid news here: https://f-droid.org/en/2018/06/22/this-week-in-fdroid-w25.html
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Huge efforts behind by thermatk and csagan5 ( https://gitlab.com/fdroid/rfp/issues/378 ), so thanks a lot for the work.
[Android Apps and Games] :
Sometime while in incognito mode the new tab button disappears randomly. Idk why... Annoying bug.

But awesome browser and very snappy.
[Android Apps and Games] ztoldy:
Is it possible to add Chrome's data saver function or is it available only in Chrome?
[Android Apps and Games] testeraphy:
Literally on 1st post.

I don't think it have much benefit nowadays, https is the standard now, more and more website moving toward https. Data saver simply can't or rather they should not be able to modify (this case compress) any data.
[Android Apps and Games] Bingley:
Right, but...how does this compare to those? They all block ads, obviously. I just don't see a feature list difference
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
This topic raises interesting questions. I tend to agree with you, Data saver has limited benefits now that most of websites are switched over to HTTPS.

However, there are still lot of client-side optimization possible and those can work on HTTPS.

Case 0) You don't have telephone, you don't have a phone connection

-> Good luck!

Case 1) You are on the sea, there is no data connection, but you have telephony

-> Technically it's doable to transmit data using a softmodem:

https://quiet.github.io/quiet-js/

but the reality, is that Android doesn't support playing sound in a call on most devices so besides a very emergency system it's not really viable :D

It's technically cool though.

Case 2) You are on a weak 2G connection, in the middle of the jungle or abroad

-> In this case, you want ultra-light website and you are willing to sacrifice images and freshness of content.

It requires to setup a quite complex server infrastructure.

Opera Mini is doing the job well I think.

One important aspect, data saving is not always faster speed.

Take any website, http://googleweblight.com/i?u=http://SOME_WEBSITE_HERE

and compare.

Some websites are slower with data-saving on, because the system has to put the content into cache.

Case 3) You are data-capped, and you can tolerate low-resolution images' and accept the content or designed to be simplified (ex: JavaScript disabled) to get more speed without having to go through a proxy/compression server.

This is the scenario that we are talking about.

For example, progressive images (JPG/PNG) can be loaded partially, and the user can click to load them.

CSS can be replaced with simpler versions.

Resources can be loaded from a remote cache.

Now this is open questions:

A) Speed or data saving ?

B) What is the right balance between a degraded browsing experience, or a bad browsing experience ?

Some users can tolerate very well that images are not loaded, (a "no-image" feature), but some others absolutely wouldn't.

Not loading custom fonts, is it tolerable ?

Not loading CSS, is it tolerable ?

Not loading [...], is it tolerable ?
[Android Apps and Games] sedan206:
PLEASE
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
No worry, something similar is coming in few days ;)
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
I don't understand screenshot 4 though
[Android Apps and Games] sedan206:
In the 4-5 screenshot I showed the function of adding the necessary site to the main screen
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Ok :)
[Android Apps and Games] ivan333:
Guys, can I use my Google account I use in Chrome for kiwi browser to keep everything sync...?
[Android Apps and Games] b.roid:
nope! read first page.
[Android Apps and Games] :
Will there be a forward, backward and reload button along with the home button on the bottom bar in the upcoming update? [MENTION=9196003]arnaud42[/MENTION]

Sincierly waiting

-Fan of kiwi
[Android Apps and Games] testeraphy:
A) I'll go toward data saving. ( data plan a bit expensive for me, but I give up on this matter)

On opera mini, they both have case 2 and case 3. It's extreme mode (case 2) with limited capabilities, experience and often fallback to "high saving" for https page and Opera "high saving mode" is 3rd case. It's awesome but again it fail to serve most compression nowadays.

B) since this question is about "not load", for me not loading custom font is tolerable. Not loading media like gif/ video/music something that autoplay, only load if we decided to. Other than that, it's site dependent I guess. Perhaps limiting media that allowed to be loaded to certain size is more acceptable?

There is addons called decentraleyes that probably help ease out some data for loading js thing, but it's goal is entirely different.
[Android Apps and Games] ivan333:
So sad because is so powerful kiwi I don't want to use Chrome anymore...

Will in the future be able the option I'm telling you?
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
No, not in the upcoming one because I almost finished the release and I can't add new changes because I am focusing on stabilizing the release.

The upcoming one in Duplex mode looks like this:

Kiwi is an alive product, so it will change based on user feedback and so on. There are many people to request a forward, back and reload button so it will come in a week or two (probably more like two).
[Android Apps and Games] KaaMyA:
Google chose to block any attempt to use sync for projects that are outside their control.

Call it TugaBrowser, Kiwi, Bromite, Brave, anithing based on "CAF" or Chromium, etc, etc, etc... none off them are (and probably wont be) not working with Google sync 'till Google decides to revert that statement. and allow third party to use that service.
[Android Apps and Games] ivan333:
C'mon, like this I can't use kiwi 100%
[Android Apps and Games] :
Oh more like the one on the Chrome Canary build.

Thanks for Heads up!
[Android Apps and Games] takis:
Could you offer a pro version on the playstore so that we can donate?
[Android Apps and Games] KaaMyA:
Actually I'd say Kiwi 100%, that's what developer is offering, with probabilities to improve and add more features day by day. We could even think about using an alternative to forget G' bookmarks sync dependence, most of all since there are many apps that lost this feature thanks to Google.

Then, Google... in the case of Kiwi, probably 0% (for more than one reason, not only sync).

...in any case, that's Google resolution and ~modus operandi~.
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
In few hours is released a new version with new features. Then I will release a bugfix/stability release next week then finally I can work on import/sync
[Android Apps and Games] theasters:
About sync please check Samsung system, you can sync bookmarks from Chrome.
[Android Apps and Games] ivan333:
I want to sync everything like Chrome does with all my accounts and so on.
[Android Apps and Games] OverkillSRB:
Does it have fingerprinting protection?
[Android Apps and Games] romskii:
If not planned already, what do you think about adding another shortcut to the icon? Chrome's stock are new tab and incognito tab. I'm thinking about adding bookmarks
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
In one way, I want to say yes, and just put canvas fingerprinting and mark it done but I was thinking many times about it "Is it worth it?"

It's not for the 4 lines of code it takes, but more for that I believe that fingerprint protection provides very little protection (because it is easy to defeat).

Kiwi blocks third-party trackers (Exelate, Axciom, Rubicon Project, etc). There is no need to tell half of the planet the last websites you visited and I think this has a stronger impact than blocking a specific fingerprint method.

That's a very good thing for privacy and loading speed.

In general, I believe that blocking the servers/scripts is a safer and a better approach than trying to forge anything to send to these services.

There are some features that may arrive (ex: custom UA, or canvas fingerprint), but see them more as a convenience than a real protection. Even with JS off I believe there will still be ways to fingerprint (ex: Responsive CSS min-width/max-height, etc).
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Sounds good.

Bookmarks, downloads, history and recents items then ?
[Android Apps and Games] romskii:
For me I can say history is useless ^^

Or is it possible to get something within the settings to choose an own style? For the pixel launcher for example only 4 shortcuts are possible, nova or other custom launchers more.

If it's not possible, let the community choose

New Tab

New incognito Tab

Bookmarks

Downloads

History

Last Tabs

Search
[Android Apps and Games] :
Any chance you can add a toggle for javascript on/off on the main bar, or in the menu like Bromite? Thanks for such a great browser.
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
It's actually very easy to do, I'd love to discuss this, but I would need to figure out how to present that to non-geek users.

Are you globally disabling JavaScript usually or more on a site-per-site basis ?
[Android Apps and Games] heba89:
thank you i got it
[Android Apps and Games] :
I usually keep javascript off at all times. I set up certain sites to allow javascript in the site settings if the site is unusable without it.

Sometimes I don't want to add a new site setting so having an easy access option to toggle JS off and on comes in handy.

I do it mostly for speed and to make sites look cleaner, but it's nice for some security too.

Edit: for non geek users, you could hide the toggle button or menu item and only enable it in advanced settings or something?
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Hello,

A new version has been released.

Version Kumquat (July 4, 2018)

This new release includes the possibility to move the address bar to the bottom

and includes a new translate functionality.

- Upgraded to Chromium 69.0.3477

- Feature: Bottom address bar (Settings, Accessibility, phone-only)

- Feature: Translate (Main menu)

- Feature: Clear data (Main menu)

- Feature: Kiwi can be moved to SD Card (on some devices)

- Improvement: Video player

The next release is planned in 10 days and will include mostly bug fixes (in order to improve quality)

Note: if you use the address bar at the bottom, you need to disable Duplex obviously if you enabled it (in chrome://flags, Duplex, takes two restarts)

Note 2: There is also a change in the "algorithm" (let's call it, rules) that selects the top visited websites on the home page (it should be closer to what Chrome does).
[Android Apps and Games] SynthBpm:
bottom address bar is great!

only issue is the way the three dot menu is absolutely tiny, only a button high, and needs a ton of scrolling to do anything. but chrome's regular duplex has the same issue rn, so i guess it's probably a bit complicated to fix.

great stuff!

(EDIT: it won't let me scroll past "Find in page" on the three dot menu, which is a bit of an issue seeing as "Settings" is below that, so i can no longer change any settings. hope that gets fixed soon.)
[Android Apps and Games] romskii:
Hey just got the update :)

Two things if I set the bottom address bar

An option to disable coloured address bar, looks strange.

An option to add swipe up to see the tabs. Currently if I swipe done on the address bar, I'm getting the tabs overview
[Android Apps and Games] :
The app still shows the version name as Jackfruit ?
[Android Apps and Games] prathu30:
Using bottom bar some how causes issues with full screen videos. Is it just me?
[Android Apps and Games] robotkoer:
I recommend reposting to r/Android and r/AndroidApps because of the bottom bar, that will boost your downloads even more ?
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Sure, can you show me a screenshot?
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Yeah not enough sleep :) A new version will come soon, mostly to fix the bugs that I collected until here (no new features).
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Could you share the Android version + Device Make / Model that you are running ?

Does it happen only with Bottom bar on ? (I have changed code for full screen video as well so asking to be sure)
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Yes, the coloured address bar, I was thinking about "always white in day mode", "always black in night mode".

What do you think ?

Let's talk about Swipe.

I had different ideas:

A) Move [+] button to the right (then left handed users are angry ?)

B) Swipe up for new tab + Swipe down for tab switcher

C) Swipe up for tab switcher + Swipe down for new tab ?

D) Swipe down for bookmarks + Swipe up for tab switcher ?
[Android Apps and Games] OSheden:
Good idea.

As for me "Swipe up for new tab + Swipe down for tab switcher" is the best combo if the address bar is at the bottom else "Swipe up for tab switcher + Swipe down for new tab".
[Android Apps and Games] romskii:
If you can implement your own :)

B is also for me the best combo
[Android Apps and Games] dar_zen:
samsung browser has long press on the tab number for new tab. i think this would be a good shortcut for new tab.
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
I agree I like that one, it feels more natural than swipe I'd say
[Android Apps and Games] arnabghorui:
Hello arnaud I faced these issues in the new update:

1. Whenever I play a video in facebook and go to full screen mode, after returning from full-screen the video stops and I am back to the top of facebook page.

2. During playing a youtube video whenever I go to background playing it pauses then I have to play it again from the notification. This also happens for every video streaming site.
[Android Apps and Games] prathu30:
Redmi note 4 (mido) Rr rom 8.1.0 treble.

Yes only when bottom bar is on.

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You're having same issue as me. Provide your details as dev mentioned
[Android Apps and Games] arnabghorui:
You're having same issue as me. Provide your details as dev mentioned[/QUOTE]

Moto g4(athene) running Android 8.1 resurrection remix. And no the problem is also when in topbar.
[Android Apps and Games] robotkoer:
Perhaps both, as the tab switcher is also accessible by both swipe and button. I would also vote for B.
[Android Apps and Games] killoid:
[MENTION=9196003]arnaud42[/MENTION] i've disabled news article in home option & my homescreen looks like the attached ss. also when i switch to tab view mode, you can see in home page there is a white line in the right side in the attached ss. also i didn't like the clear data option. if you can implement it as an option to automatically clear my selected data when i press the exit button, it would be better. like in the firefox browser. thanks for this update! another problem i just faced is when i was typing the reply, my keyboard pushed the bottom bar above. but when i dismissed my keyboard, the bottom bar appeared twice in my screen. though scrolling made it dissappear. attached ss.
[Android Apps and Games] d3l1:
Hi

Is there a way to change the sources of the news feed? It somehow always shows Austrian news from Austrian homepages although I'm in Germany. I can't find any setting to set that.

Deleting the pages from the news feed doesn't make a change the Austrian homepages/ news return again and again.

Besides that the browser is awesome!
[Android Apps and Games] SynthBpm:
no matter how much i scroll, it won't let me past this on the three dot menu.
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Aya, I'm working on a fix and will push it asap (probably today).
[Android Apps and Games] icm19:
I liked the UI! Looks clean and sharp! Nice job!
[Android Apps and Games] sedan206:
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