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[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Good point, I have published the new release on XDA-Labs (and coming soon to the Store, the time for the deployment to complete):

Version Voavanga (October 15, 2018)

[+] Added Croatian, French, Italian and Spanish (thanks to contributors!)

[+] Improved privacy (new hosts in blacklist, user-agent same as Chrome)

[+] Fix Custom Tabs bottom bar

[+] Fixed Yandex, PayPal Communities, and more.

[+] Minor improv. to night mode

[+] Improved stability on Samsung

[+] Support for latest emojis

[+] Experimental: For 5% of the users, you can now use shortcuts, like !gt for Google Translate and try a minimalistic version of Google Search that also includes bangs and snippets from DuckDuckGo (NON-SPONSORED) (it's still work-in-progress).

If you have some cool ideas or feedback, let me know, ;)

Arnaud.
[Android Apps and Games] berendjeboem:
[MENTION=9196003]arnaud42[/MENTION] Discord invite link is not working.
[Android Apps and Games] Pseudonym:
Does this have Always Incognito option?
[Android Apps and Games] Emu:
Thank you for the latest emojis Unicode update. Nothing is lost in translation anymore! I actually love my DuckDuckGo shortcuts so if they work, even better! :D
[Android Apps and Games] Pourush Sharan Bhargav:
When the bottom search bar option is ON and whenever we open any website the searchbar turns the same colour as that of statusbar which looks bad. Please fix this issue by removing the auto changing colour feature of searchbar when used at bottom
[Android Apps and Games] onionchibi:
9/10

1 for Chrome Sync :)
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Yep, sorry to say emojis, this was easier for everyone to understand, but of course the real thing is "Added support for Unicode 11.0 ;)"

Enjoy the day :highfive:
[Android Apps and Games] jiraffa:
Dear Dev,

The full screen issue seems to be solved! Thks for your support and great job!
[Android Apps and Games] eroigaps:
No support for pie autofill with bitwarden?
[Android Apps and Games] Yippee-ki-yay:
I do not know what the reason is, but on this website advertising blocking does not work well. In the previous versions it worked perfect (without blank spaces).

[IMG="problem"]https://i.imgur.com/q7RVkJR.png[/IMG]
[Android Apps and Games] elocnix:
Great news! Would it be possible for an end user to manage custom search 'bangs and snippets', e.g. by setting different flags or it's supposed to be done with user scripts?
[Android Apps and Games] z0ononameo0z:
Add Quick access shortcut

First of all thank you for your amazing work, the browser is great/much better then others I have used but there is one thing that is kinda bothering to me. I cant seem to add shortcut on quick access I mean it automatically is there for the website that I visits the most but I would like the option to add new ones. I mean if I accidentally remove one shortcut I cant seem to add it back anyhow. Hopefully you can do something about this and again thank you for your hardwork!
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That is in the works and is being worked on for a future release.
[Android Apps and Games] MiliWanili:
Last update: old bugs still there, "show simplified view" message at the bottom and touch register above my finger sometimes.

I would like to see User Agent change option added to the browser if possible.

Thanks.
[Android Apps and Games] sedan206:
apparently you do not follow the topic) the author is already aware of this and I showed screenshots of how I want to see the browser... on the screen I showed bookmarks that can be added manually and I would like to be able to rename them, I see such options, I want a grid of 5 to 4

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[Android Apps and Games] _DarkKnight_:
Hi [MENTION=9196003]arnaud42[/MENTION]

How can I do language translation for the Kiwi browser? I want to contribute to Turkish language.
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Hi, https://crowdin.com/project/kiwibrowser and I will push the translations to the next release.
[Android Apps and Games] tiniwings:
Ads in new update!!!

I sell hell of ads on my Kiwi if I do inline search, please check the attached screen shots. Same I searched using bromite to confirm issue is wheather kiwi or my system.. Only the ads showing in Kiwi.

I have updated kiwi from playstore.
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
:confused:

It's the Google Ads, they are unchanged as the page that you see is a copy paste of Google Search Results.

I can recommend you to change your search engine to another provider like DuckDuckGo or Searx.
[Android Apps and Games] tiniwings:
I am using kiwi from past.. More than 6 months and I am happy with it. I see these ads from last update only.

I can share the logs/screen record if needed.. How I am using it.

I am also using Blokada to block most/all ads.
[Android Apps and Games] b.roid:
show another example besides Google search. as the Dev suggested try something like duckduckgo.
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
I totally know what you mean:

(this is Google.com if you wonder)

The thing you have seen, was a version of the Google Search Results where all the bull**** has been removed. In 5% of the time, I try to remove all the mess (= everything that is not purely a search result) and see if users like it more.

I do it by feeling (I do not have analytics).

As a result, the page loads faster and is supposed to be more readable.

For me the exact same query looks like this:

The problem is, for the case of "credit" for example, Google serves 4 ads, and *only* 4 search results. So when the page is cleaned up, there is nothing remaining. This is well absurd :(
[Android Apps and Games] Alamei:
I was wondering about this, as well. The flag doesn't seem to work in Kiwi, even after a double restart. I love Kiwi overall, but I'm not fond of the "modern" design, so I've been a bit reluctant to switch over to it as a daily driver.

I primarily prefer the old design for its coloration (i.e., not just white everywhere), so if it's too tricky to allow the old design to be enabled due to other changes in the code for Kiwi (e.g., Kiwi's Night Mode option), it would be fantastic if there were some way to enable a "lite" version of Night Mode that only impacted the browser itself and not site content, since the full night mode does funny things on a lot of the sites I visit that already have a dark/night mode of their own.
[Android Apps and Games] tiniwings:
Hi, thanks for the response. As a basic user.. I simply uninstalled and RE-INSTALLED the app and it looks far better now. (Attached screen shot)

Don't know what changed. Once again thanks for your efforts, I am not questioning your work/efforts just thought something wrong happened with latest build and want to inform you. :good:
[Android Apps and Games] heyChristo:
Awesome work with this browser. It is now my go to browser for all of my devices, particularly for the night mode and built in ad blocking.
[Android Apps and Games] The.Night.King:
[MENTION=9196003]arnaud42[/MENTION], you said you'd remove Facebook trackers before previous update, so is 15th Oct devoid of those trackers? Its not in changelog that's why asking if you forgot.
[Android Apps and Games] ainurrofiq:
[MENTION=9196003]arnaud42[/MENTION]

The captcha button is not disappearing after clicked, it's Blocked the picture behind it

Attached the SS
[Android Apps and Games] █████:
same issue on Amazon.de with the AdBanner. It overlaps the navigation bar

It already happened weeks ago. But i didn't Report it because I don't care. I love this Browser so much after it gets updated ?
[Android Apps and Games] maze00:
Is it possible to turn off the option for anoying adds as default ? A lot off pages don't load anymore
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Yes in Settings + Site Settings + Go to Ads, and set to On.

But to be fair, if so many websites don't work, I can look into it, because there is likely a common cause ;)
[Android Apps and Games] BigBrosMo:
Settings->site settings->ads-> allow the ads
[Android Apps and Games] maze00:
Ok, great !!! Thank you
[Android Apps and Games] koimr:
I do find more pages won't load on Kiwi compared to other browsers but it's always been easy enough to turn off ad-blocking for that page.

What are the chances of getting the bottom URL/toolbar for tablets as well? :)
[Android Apps and Games] Yippee-ki-yay:
And ads:
[Android Apps and Games] Avhill:
Hi [MENTION=9196003]arnaud42[/MENTION],

I'm using this browser thanks to its night mode which I find very convenient, for web apps such as Songsterr.

However, on songsterr.com, there is always a banner at the bottom "download the app" (see screenshot)

Is it possible to get rid of it ?

Thanks in advance
[Android Apps and Games] skyline72:
Hi,

I appreciate your work in this browser. Really like it.

But I have some minor issue in the latest update. Installed this browser on my Huawei Mate 10 Pro (i know it isnt on snapdragon), it was working flawlessly before this update. After updating, it sort of like slowed down a lot. It takes probably about 5-10 secs more to refresh a page.

Didnt change any settings at all.

It works still the same on my Oneplus 5t though.
[Android Apps and Games] Draygon:
You are right, I also waited for this feature when the developer promised to add it.

After reading that Kiwi Browser does not only use a lot of trackers, I'm shocked about the fact that it also catches every search string you enter. I've seen the behavior at my network when using Pi-Hole. Kiwi Browser is playing MITM for DNS queries.

This is a privacy issue that forced me to delete the browser.

Please arnaud, make this browser finally privacy friendly.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/androidapps/comments/9cnssf/how_do_i_know_that_kiwi_browser_is_safe_if_you/

[IMG="https://i.imgur.com/PNZRhVz.png"]https://i.imgur.com/PNZRhVz.png[/IMG]

I was a big supporter of this browser when I did not know of this behavior. Many friends of me used Kiwi because of my recommendation...

Because I'm a privacy advocate, this is not an option for me and my friends anymore.
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
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[Android Apps and Games] Ayman ae:
Yeah this browser is a literal botnet.

Those trackers are fishy af and the dev gives sketchy excuses every time.

Either you hold to the theme of browser about it being lightweight and without annoyances or you take the highway with your "facebook browser"
[Android Apps and Games] xmiseggs:
True, it has happened to me too but with the web correos.es

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Actually, this leaves me very worried, Kiwi is a browser that I like but privacy is very important, I hope the developer informs us and if it will provide a solution. I keep waiting before removing it.
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
The reality is more hard.

About the adblock lists, and the fact that it calls Kiwibrowser.com, this is absolutely common. Even if you open Bromite it will connect to Bromite.org (make the test ;) ) Brave as well, Firefox, Chrome, etc.. Almost, all the browsers on this planet.

In general, if you want autocomplete (also called suggest), I have to send a query somewhere.

At some point, I have to setup my own search service, or pay a search engine, or have an agreement with a search engine, or a mix of both.

Kiwi Browser is not so small, it's not like I can send 10 million queries and hope that nobody will notice.

If you use your own search engine, then fine. If you set Google, it goes directly the Google.

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/cognitive-services/autosuggest-api/

When I go to DuckDuckGo (they use Bing in the background), and propose them, "can I send my users to you?", of course they think about the 30,000 USD they are going to loose per month, and they hate that idea.

Now it's a 302 to Google, but I have to think about the future and how to keep the feature functional.

This can be configured in two ways; or you can disable autosuggest, or you can go to Privacy -> Search and site suggestions and disable it.

About FB Analytics, there are no fantasies to have, it's to count usage. I have openly talked about it.

I will remove it, I have said it, for now I still use it to help during dev, mostly to catch issues.
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
One side note, the same discussion could have been about Translate ;)

I had the whole same thinking through.

Should I ask Google some credits for Translate ? (which means that later, I actually have to pay some money to Google)

should I use Microsoft Translation services (which were free) ?

or should I use my own self-hosted API ?

Everytime, there is choice to do, I do the one which I believe brings the best compromise speed / privacy / cost / quality and there are plenty of cases where the question will be again on the table.

This is not a question of policy, but because adding features has consequences.

"Doing" has consequences, "Removing" has no consequences.

Few days ago I ran a test where you could use DuckDuckGo bangs.

I was not sure of the user reception, so I didn't roll it everywhere (users mostly hated it)

With the bangs autocomplete:

Some users didn't like it:

-> DuckDuckGo sends the query to Yahoo and to Bing, and they believe that DuckDuckGo is unsafe and useless.

Some users liked it:

-> DuckDuckGo is safer than Google for them and they see value in the feature.

I can self-host a server with bangs then, but someone will complain that the query is sent to .kiwibrowser.com :confused:

Is it a better or a worse privacy choice then ?

For me it's a totally better choice at all aspects, but for you it may be a bad one.

It's the exact same point, just totally another perspective.

If to optimize the page loading time with some Data Saving feature, should I use Cloudflare proxies (but then Cloudflare can see), should I setup my own network (but then I can see), should I work with an agreement with Opera (but then they can see) ?

It's always very deep questions.

You may be right, and I may join you on your vision ;) I do have arguments to show too, and by every iterations and versions we'll figure out the right balance.

At least you know how it works in my brain and my thinking process ;)
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
So now, actions plan:

I have added a disclaimer on the main post.

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=76666256

and

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=76666256&postcount=5

I also committed to allow to disable FB Analytics on 30th of October.

I have reached to DuckDuckGo to ask them if they can provide autosuggest:

"Thanks for the background. Give us a few weeks as we're really busy with a few projects to get back to you on."

I hope it clears up :fingers-crossed:

If there any single concern, ping me anytime.
[Android Apps and Games] █████:
does it do ot only with adblocking enabled or all the time? I think this is a No-Go! I really hate to see this...
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Kiwi doesn't alters DNS requests. Period. The adblocker works the same way as Bromite. When Chromium tries to establish a connection, it is rejected if part of the blacklist.
[Android Apps and Games] sherpa25:
Sorry, what feature differences are there between Kiwi and Bromite, other than the 'security' features?
[Android Apps and Games] mehmetcumen:
is there any way to set bookmarks as homepage or any option to have speeddials list at homepage?
[Android Apps and Games] jho55:
Interesting to read that DuckDuckGo is using Yahoo/Microsoft services. I thought they were a little bit more independent. I do not see any advantage to use duckduckgo instead of Google.

And it should be clear, that if you use translate, auto suggestion etc, that this is run through google, bing or yahoo servers.

If you are concerned about tracking maybe you should use a host file ad blocker. So then you can disable the browser ad block.
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
If you put your finger on a DuckDuckGo ad, it's very obvious based on the link that it's just a theme over Yahoo/Bing.

I have reached to all the big players (and reasked many of them today but I need to wait for answer) to see how they can help and if they can provide suggest/autocomplete/translate, with a real API key

All of them are +/- the same "yes you can use suggest for free if you don't block our ads and if you send the user", which is normal and understandable.

Bromite and Brave don't block Google Ads on Search AFAIK ;) so I can make Kiwi better than these two browsers if I implement customisable CSS filters :fingers-crossed:

As long as I don't block these specific ads by default, I don't think Google/Bing/Yahoo/DuckDuckGo or whoever would complain that I use their suggest.

Your thoughts are welcome. :highfive:
[Android Apps and Games] Tomatot-:
I don't have a strong opinion on this privacy debate since it actually seems quite complicated and it is always about compromises, all I can say is thank you for taking time to explain, sharing your thoughts. My only suggestion is to give users the option in between features ans privacy. :)
[Android Apps and Games] xmiseggs:
[MENTION=9196003]arnaud42[/MENTION] I want to thank you for the explanations about the safety of the browsers and I also want to thank you for the good work you do with Kiwi Browser, please continue with your good work, I for my tests Kiwi is currently the best browser.
[Android Apps and Games] Pseudonym:
Can you add this like on bromite?

https://github.com/bromite/bromite/issues/18
[Android Apps and Games] matrixisreal:
chrome can be set as the system webview. is there some magic behind it or can it also be done with kiwi ?

I'm asking because you feel the difference for example when I'm browsing HackerNews and open the post with build in webview or with kiwi. Kiwi is just really better

PS: pls 64bit builds :)

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I don't use GApps. So I also don't use the google assistant.

Firefox does show up to the system as an assistant app. So long press the home button opens directly the search (with keyboard)

tbh I love this feature. it improves the UX so much

And I would also pay for the browser. The only issue is that without gapps, it will be hard to check for you [MENTION=9196003]arnaud42[/MENTION] if the user has bought this app :/
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Yes @ 64-bit builds, it's planned, but as I explained, you'll be disappointed by the performance gain versus the memory consumption (but this is due to 64-bit itself)

For WebView, you can try the Bromite ones, they should be fine: https://www.bromite.org/system_web_view

About the money, it's always a love and hate relationship. Especially in the past days, when was raised the question of autosuggest and translate. I was thinking how to keep the development sustainable and how to encourage external contributions (translators for example, extensions developers, etc) or develop new products (for example, Data Saving).

Personally, I get some sort of excitement which is very difficult to describe (what would be extensions in real-life, for example), and the most significant portion of my motivation comes from all the people who take the time everyday to submit feedback and interact.

It feels good to lead a product that people actually enjoy.

I generally prefer to not sell any apps, because once someone pays for the app, then it's a very big commitment.

The same when you accept personal donations. Even if I receive 1 USD from someone, I would feel "trapped" into having to do something.

Maybe I just like to walk outside that day, or day-dream, or do other thing, and that's what I like with software that you didn't pay for ;)

If it's a corporate or governmental donation, I wouldn't feel the pressure.

I don't pay for server hosting / build server anyway (whether DigitalOcean, Amazon, or Google, they all give you server for free if you are new client)

I have approached a former developer of Yandex Browser to help me with development, but he is asking too much money (equivalent of 7000 USD / month), in comparison, Google offers to sponsor 3000 USD, which is big, and nothing at the same time.

Can I find 7000 persons to give directly 1 USD to this developer every month ? Of course not, it's too much.

Can I add ads ?

Technically yes, but it would be a very stupid move. I am not going to do that. I know this would hurt users. I really want to keep everything lightweight.

I have seen that Brave Browser is ok with adding ads, or Privacy Browser is adding AdMob on the interface. That's bad in my opinion. VERY BAD. VERY VERY.

Since I don't want to put ads, and I don't want to ask users to pay; my plan now is to convince big guys (Google, Microsoft, etc) who have deep pockets and hope they don't mind sponsoring one or two developers on a project and associate their image with Kiwi Browser in return.

At least, former Google Chrome users, wouldn't bash Google if they knew that they also support Kiwi ;) That's the kind of idea.

We'll see, we'll see, it's not an easy task. Try to come in front of Google and ask them for money :D
[Android Apps and Games] djcsurf:
[MENTION=9196003]arnaud42[/MENTION] Loving browser so far, I'm not too fussed about privacy, more so the look and feel of kiwi :)

One thing that would be nice is if notifications could be disabled from homepage, I did ask before but was no response.

Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] nixie2121:
Wish there were more people like you. Well said, and thanks for the work. I absolutely love this browser, wish I could use it on my computer!
[Android Apps and Games] matrixisreal:
Just set up Patreon and PayPal links down in the description under "Support" this way the app is free, and the ones who want to support you, can do it :)

You are doing good work, so you also deserve a reward for that.

Webview: but bromite sucks in terms of performance.

So that's the question if it is much work to "include" webview support inside of kiwi like chrome does. Not a high priority feature.

Kiwi on computer is also a damn good idea. Since there are already x86 builds, I should try to get anbox.io working on my Solus OS. But then X86-64 is also needed because of my 16GB ram ?
[Android Apps and Games] andrepgaspar:
Offtopic: Solus is the best think that happen to Desktop OS in a long time

Congratz for your work, kiwi is my daily browser right now
[Android Apps and Games] █████:
I don't care about system memory.How much Performance gain could be expected by going for 64bit? I really need that extra 5% to show my friends how fast my old phone is because of the apps and tweak I use. But I think custom/user scripts is the way to go. Could be featured in the news. I'll do my best to bring it on some tech news sites. We need more people who use this browser to get some Attention!
[Android Apps and Games] cd69:
Just wanted to thank you for your efforts. Love kiwi
[Android Apps and Games] matrixisreal:
My RAM almost screams for more load hehe

Not used ram is wasted ram.
[Android Apps and Games] choukajohn:
First, I would like to thank you for your awesome work!

I really love your work on this browser and I will support you if possible.

If I could add features, I will choose these :

1. Passwords and bookmarks sync with my own private server

2. Open new tab in foreground

3. Add bookmarks shortcut on the home tab

4. Personalize news on home tab
[Android Apps and Games] _DarkKnight_:
Why? [MENTION=9196003]arnaud42[/MENTION]
[Android Apps and Games] abacate123:
Here's the latest apk, if you want.

https://mega.nz/#!Vx9lCbJB!OIA3ZXhmm_WnVeBRaH-FratzXMedOq4rYY3o5ZLDRjU

(Or just download from xda labs)
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Good question.

I'm checking.
[Android Apps and Games] arnaud42:
Yes it's a bug, it should be fixed in few hours maximum. I have no clue why Turkey wasn't selected but I guess it's my fault.

I remember that in Turkey there is quite strong censorship, if you have interest into trying possible DNS over HTTPS, you can let me know (resolver would be Google or Cloudflare).
[Android Apps and Games] Jinnn92:
+1
[Android Apps and Games] BlazeMaster64:
[MENTION=9196003]arnaud42[/MENTION] have been looking for such grwat browser.. Thanks

I am just wondering if you could add optimizing for snapdragon from codeaurora like swe browser did?