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[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Speedo.thc:
Hi, Just to tell that you just become my hero. :highfive:
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zacharias.maladroit:
[MENTION=1192060]Apo11on[/MENTION]

Agreeing with what you wrote.

That enforcing of Secure Boot on all new UEFI-based PCs is a wet dream of Microsoft ( or (W)Intel and the "evil tech overlords" and letter agencies ... but I digress)

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Sakaki's_EFI_Install_Guide/Configuring_Secure_Boot

luckily for us this isn't enforced and as long as we are in physical possession of our PCs/Notebooks (or can enforce a boot password) and the physical access to the devices is kept to a minimum,

this shouldn't really be of concern.

The same probably is applicable to the unlocked bootloader case:

there should be an option to lock the bootloader again and make it non-trivial to unlock it again (e.g. via 2-point authentication) & in that way also prevent e.g. access to TWRP

by that approach unlocking the device and installing updated software that the vendor previously didn't provide (e.g. only 2 years of updates policy, a company died, hardware creator stopped blob support, etc.)

shouldn't constitute a security issue and even increase security of the existing device

well, if that's the case there must be some pretty deep hooks in the kernel source and some userspace daemons running + access to the NPU itself ?

Impressive !

Or is this simply a listing of buzzwords ?

Don't any recent Android devices with a more up-to-date enough kernel do this ?

These kind of changes have been in discussion on the linux kernel mailing list for years

there are mm subsystem changes that ensure mitigation due to compaction, efficient vmalloc, etc. - no need for AI for that

but in any case - if somehow you're using your "AI" (clever disguised algorithms in a bootloader-locked phone) and NPU to further build upon that - good for you !

So you're beyond the competition in that area :)

linking an image to a quote of our "godfather" here:

In any case you need optimize the camera app with its AI and object detection since I've read about several cases on the P20 Pro that it's jumping between objects at random

and the quality of the pictures subsequently is suffering.

Talking about shipping top-notch hardware and only following up with abysmal software (see Samsung, etc. - the "older" competition at least seemed to have learned already from these mistakes)

yep, curious about that

Have a nice week :)
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Amirk365:
Damn, this thank you button isn't enough. There should be an "amen" button too lol
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] iantechie1979:
Enough already everyone! To the [MENTION=2154886]moderator[/MENTION] of this thread, I think it's time this thread should be closed as it really isn't going anywhere. The majority of XDA members questions have been ignored. In fact I'm wondering if this "Honor CEO" has even replied to 10 questions in a satisfactory manner!

The way I see it though is that the the emphatic silence and lack of response from Honor actually speaks volumes! I'm coming round to the fact that locked bootloaders may be the future for all devices but I will not tolerate a company/brand with so little regard for their customers. The last several years and devices has been fun but for me it's time to jump ship... Before it sinks... Only joking, that's unlikely but the smart phone market is the most competitive it's ever been and newer manufacturers are offering really attractive devices with good specs and build quality and value for money.

I need not so anymore. My contribution to this thread is done.

Bye.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lanisshrup:
Dear CEO,

We'd talk..

Only when you start unlocking bootloaders again.

Coz till then you don't deserve my time.

Regards.

FOSS
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zelendel:
You might want to check just who you are talking to about the dev knowledge. I have forgetton more about mobile development then you will ever know. Ill be here long after you are gone.

As for the security bugs, Go ahead and look over the code, you will see that most of them are crap and useless and not security bugs at all.

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Show me one that says they do.

Wow you really have no idea what you are talking about do you. I have developed for more devices in my time here and you have done nothing. Not a single thing. So yeah your words are hollow.

Please. I would walk all over you in a court room and the judge would hold you in contempt for wasting his time. But then again I have no respect for the court so I would have most likely pissed him/her off first.

Sure they are and guess what? They are using iphones. Android security is joke.

Go ahead and look at the licences. Mainly the TOS. Like the GPL that only covers the kernel. Not a single thing else.

You can tell me the moon is made of green cheese as well and it still wouldnt be true.

You want something your way? Make it yourself or shut up about it. Simple.

Ill be honest. The majority of people on this site. Dont have the common sense to be left alone with root. Let alone an unlocked bootloader. Look in the end you are nothing more then a user. Not even someone the CEO would listen to. Might want to do some dev work before you think your words mean anything on a dev site.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...t-mandatory-locks-out-other-operating-systems
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] br54:
The chip will be implanted in your hand their way.. Not yours

It will be tamper resistant.. so they know authenticly it's you

You must conform for the greater whole

Obey

Obey

Obey

Or disappear

Welcome to the nwo.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mwatson:
my bet, android P yes, monthly security updates, no.

my Honor 8 got 3 updates in 2 years.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Supersad:
MY Honor 6x does get a update every alternate month.Oreo beta was also released in China.So that makes it 2 major os upgrades to a mid range device.

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Honor 8 is also going to get Oreo .Beta already out in China. https://cn.club.vmall.com/thread-15866497-1-1.html
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hackintosh5:
Meaning?
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Sam Nakamura:
[MENTION=8820900]Honor[/MENTION]

Could you please explain the reasoning and background why you as company team up with XDA-DEVELOPERS, to strengthen your relationships to the open source community just to commit "suicide" a short time later, I mean you are certainly already aware that this "we won't allow bootloader unlock" move is a PR desaster, it's best advertising for companies like OnePlus with it's open policies regarding rooting, flashing custom ROMs and bootloader unlock, heck they even give official instructions about it, warranty isn't voided either...

Then there's the "Samsung way" of handling it, just use technical means like an e-fuse to mark modified devices and let the customer decide but to simply rule out any possibly for a customer to get full access to the device isn't a way that promises success, especially in regards to this audience here and makes you look like a clueless and volatile company which is out for "money grab"...

I don't mean to come across rude but I feel clear words must be spoken, this is unheard of and outright hilarious, if it wasn't so sad and wouldn't break trust so sustainably, it couldn't go much worse for you and your customers...

Good luck fixing that! We're watching curiously...
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ducle2502:
Let's be honest here. According to what you are saying, companies should dictate how I would use what I have bought with my money, and opinions from customers will not be listened to by the CEO of this company.

I will talk from the point of view of customers, since I have no dev experience (my major is business administration).

First of all, for a product to be able to sell without any regard to customers' opinion, it must be truly innovative. Even so, companies must always listen to what customers want to prevent them from jumping to another company. In this case, Honor has never been perceived as a innovative anything, at least for the general public like me. Chinese brands are known for value for money, and Huawei is in direct competition with Xiaomi and Oneplus in this aspect, with the other two both supporting bootloader unlock. In addition, EMUI has always been an annoyance consumers from outside of China has to tolerate. This problem is usually remedied by installing a launcher or flashing a custom rom for the tech savvy, which accounts for a lot more than you are aware of. After all, I do not have any professional experience in tech and still know how to flash a rom and root my device. Removing the bootloader unlock option based on "security concerns" would only serve to push a part of Huawei's customer away from the brand without gaining any advantage on the other two competitors. Huawei already voided warranties for unlocked products and gave many warning before the unlocking process, so responsible adults with money to spend (consumers) will know the risks coming their way. We are quite well prepared to be "left alone with root" and an unlocked bootloader, thanks for your concern anyway :)

If the CEO does not want to listen to customers, that's fine. However, please remember where the money comes from. Any sensible marketing strategy would ask the question "What do customers want from our company?", and if you think by "not listening to" us, they can thrive then be my guest.

Lastly, this forum has given considerable knowledge on mobile technology that I can find nowhere else. I now know what to look for in a device to get what I want and I think all people should have access to this huge source of information and support. Why should it be restricted to people with dev experience only? After all, we must know what to do before doing it, and it seems like you want to restrict the knowledge to the elite in the field only.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Sam Nakamura:
Hello [MENTION=8820900]Honor[/MENTION]

Just some last remarks about the slogan shown at the picture in post #1

"better understand you"

Is this the kind of humor huawei / honor has?

To chose such a slogan while forcefully locking down all devices, cutting all ties into the open source scene, killing all previous efforts and achievements is bad taste at best, again, this must be a PR nightmare for those in charge, should be a PR desaster!

hilarious if it wasn't so sad...

They obviously understand me even better than I do, otherwise this doesn't make any sense at all!

lol :sad emotji: I'm out!
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zacharias.maladroit:
Ha, don't get them any ideas ...

Cabal is irreversibly going down !

End to slavery & fiat debt system !

Where we go one we go all !

We the people !

Q

Well,

they could be accessing your analytics (and other) Google, Facebook, {insert social media kraken} data

thus there could be something true about it they knowing you better than you yourself,

and thus only wanting to get more data ...

... in this context: this could just be an experiment to gauge the community reaction and not really caring & tailoring towards the community's needs and demands, suggestions ...
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zelendel:
Get my ass in trouble? lmao that is too funny.

As for knowing nothing about you. You do know you signed up to a hackers forum right?

If any of that was true then you would be for locking down bootloaders just like the rest of the security community.

The only merit it has is whos words will be lightened to here and who wont be.

You have no legal leg to stand on whats so ever.

You dont get it. You really have never looked at the TOS of software before. You have a lease to use it "as is" That is it.

You seem to think you have rights to something like this. Let me tell you something. You dont have the right to anything. They will make their devices how they want. Dont like it then too bad.

XDA was here doing this long before Android and we will be here doing the same thing long after android is dead and gone.

You really seem to think you have a choice. Lets see where your convictions stand. We will see when all OEM lock their bootloaders. (Even the owners of XDA know its coming) Notice the push to more about apps then custom OS or mods. Its only a matter if time and security.

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As for Xiaomi. The are the running joke of the android world. An iphone wanna be that doesnt do anything original and is known for using sub par parts.

And that is part of the problem, but one that will work itsslef out in time.

You know the risks? Really? I dont think so. Not one person here thinks about using a custom OS from some random kid on the internet with who knows what built in (there could be a key logger built in and you would never even know). Sure Lets talk about security.

Really? You dont think they will do so well? Hmm looks like it has worked great for Samsung and Apple.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Sam Nakamura:
[MENTION=1140856]zelendel[/MENTION] you're looking for job? I think [MENTION=8820900]Honor[/MENTION] would definitely appreciate some help atm... :laugh: lol

Isn't the beauty of android being open-source and peer-reviewed, especially in regards to custom software this bears the advantage of transparency in it, sure if you flash random **** trouble is around the corner, needs no Einstein to get that...

It's same with everything in life, there're certain risks associated with actions we chose to do, we as adults should know and handle that accordingly... At the end it's our very own decision to do so or not, I don't want to be ordered to be "secure" and I would definitely vote with my purse in such case...

I feel this discussion is on a dead point, those who are actually asked won't answer except empty phrases and won't even less listen to it's customers except they ask questions with the potential to glorify Huawei/Honor, what a farce!

Now we're heading into a general debate about "security" which was actually finished years ago, seeing bootloader unlock as a basic Android feature is definitely justified as all reference devices like Google's Nexus / Pixels naturally had this option, remember that bootloader unlocking works only with user consent, sure you should be double careful when your daily driver is bootloader unlocked but this again is self-evident and no cooperation would ever take responsibility for issues with a unlocked device, which is just fine (as long as it isn't a unrelated hardware failure).

We all know what Benjamin Franklin once said is still true:

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Now I'm out for good!

Good luck huaweians and honorians, unfortunately this party sucks!
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sartaj prince:
Can u please gift me a honor phone..i am still using old samsung phones!!. & i am a fan boy of honor so please sir?
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Supersad:
Even if you say so...they won't so....
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] DodoGTA:
[MENTION=6800380]SachinXDA[/MENTION] understands your troubles ?
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zelendel:
Actually. Honor is a brand that is a bit too low tier for my tastes. I'm not a fan of them at all. As a matter of fact at this moment we use the same device even.

See that's the thing that people think but really isn't true. A. Android is not open source. Only aosp is and Google doesn't even have to push any code to it. They could not push one but of code past 8.1 and no one could make them. B. There are not a lot of people looking at the security issues. I mean just look at the security patches from Google themselves. The bugs are decades old. Rom don't push security patches outside what Google pushes once a month. So no that is not a plus. It's only a plus if you are doing it yourself.

Now let me lead you on a way of thinking that may open your eyes. What is stopping me as a reseller from buying a bunch of devices. Unlocking the bootloader, installing malware, relocking the bootloader a d selling the device? Nothing. Xiaomi already faced just that with people installing malware on their devices. This is when they started locking bootloaders.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Megatron007:
Me too
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hackintosh5:
Technically, they do have to push the kernel for all pixel/nexus updates.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tecalote:
On Huawei Devices you can see in Bootloader/Fastboot Mode if a device is locked, relocked or unlocked.

If you unlock the Bootloader and relock it after, the status is shown as: relocked.

So you would know, it was opened before.

Only original Huawei Firmware can close the Bootloader and then you see the status in Fastboot Mode: Bootloader locked.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hackintosh5:
And you can never get rid of the large warning every boot, saying the device can't be trusted.

This is clearly not the reason.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Speedo.thc:
Hi, just one first real thx about your xiaomi analize, but ... Honor/ huawei do same/ more .. so i still prefer buy a xiaomi and unlock to flash my own build than to buy a huawei/ honor with locked bootloader .. i read what you wrote before .. In 2014 ..so I can't understand your new analysis about this problem: you did a strange thing : in 2014 xiaomi was evil with spyware and today huawei must lock every things for a supposed security .. ?
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Sam Nakamura:
:highfive: still a lovely piece of hardware!

Nothing is perfect but it's the best mobile operating systems available atm, the picture you're painting is extra black, you're not exactly optimistic... Most of the time I appreciate your comments for being straight realistic but this seems exaggerated to me...

At least all kernel source code is indeed being pushed to the repos as per the license agreed upon (if I I'm talking about android I actually mean AOSP, sorry for the inaccuracy), a active community can develop the system / framework /features... I mean a working kernel is all we ever needed...

Sure stuff like i.e. year old "dirty cow" which appears once in awhile is scary but this also proves the point, long forgotten devices were fixed by community efforts, never they saw a patch of the OEM...

This should lead rather to the conclusion that the bootloader unlock mechanism was badly implemented, there're different solutions where it cannot be hidden that the bootloader was unlocked once... This shouldn't be a reason to condemn all unlockable bootloaders but to find better implementations...

Edit: [MENTION=8820900]Honor[/MENTION] come on, I counted just 4 answered questions so far, you save the best for Saturday (when it ends)? Show us what you got, stakes is high, it's all about your "honor"... :laugh:
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zelendel:
Agreed that they do.

This can be gotten around. Its just really a flag in the system.

Yes I do paint a grim picture. We are part of the same groups. We watch the same gerrits. You know the security patches are few and most devs are only looking at the next big feature.

Yes they do have to push kernel source which is all they really have to do. Yes an active community can build those things but only for so long.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Speedo.thc:
You still do not answer to me about your own analysis (reference to your startings threads at XDA) : in 2014 xiaomi was evil with spyware for you and today huawei must lock every things for a supposed security .. ?
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zacharias.maladroit:
Well, while we're at that:

Give me new Huawei - I have relatives in Asia and Americas all saying that Huawei is bad and only a copy-cat with hollow words (Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo, etc.),

chance to redeem and make me test and (if satisfied) advertise it by mouth propaganda - since we're in Germany the win-win could be good ;)

(that's how Oneplus and others somehow do it, right ? Just kidding ...)

Back to on-topic:

You Huawei guys really need to straighten out a consistent policy and connection with the community if you really care about the community then keep your words

and stay that way - changing decisions midway, being inconsistent in your public moves only shows that in the core you don't really have a clue (or in the worse case simply don't care and only worry about sales in the short-term) and might need to

recruit folks of the community (perhaps just for a time) to get to know the community better, but then also

listen

to those opinions and consider, implement changes.

Quality of the hardware altogether and having good service (post-purchase handling) is really important - I've read a few accounts on the web that folks were satisfied with repair handling

(it should be quick, if it takes longer make sure to offer replacement devices that e.g. folks can stay connected in their job - no one wants to be forced having to purchase an additional smartphone when the current one is broken).

So in a nutshell: really caring about the customer, being transparent & honest in company internals (where possible) and policy

and do offer value to customers ...

I really like QVC's motto: "Quality, Value und Convenience"
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Apo11on:
Can I borrow that crystal ball you used to see the future of android? I wanna look up the lottery numbers for next week.

The only choice I do have and THE ONLY ONE I NEED is who to give my money to, who to buy from. And the bottom line is - every penny of profit manufacturers have ever made came from people like me, and other consumers. So, if manufacturer sends us a clear message they dont care what we want - guess what? There are 100 more manufacturers to buy phones from. A lot of them do understand the exact point you are failing to - what consumers want is the most important thing that matters, because we are the ones, paying for every single R&D resource and every other job these manufacturers employ.

You are barking at the wrong crowd pal - look around. NO ONE here agrees with you - every single person, who posted in this thread wants unlocked bootloader, root and freedom to do with their device whatever the hell we want to do with it.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] keller112:
That's actually false. They can easily gather & sell your data, or something more valuable, your attention.

It doesn't need to be malicious, but the size of their user base is what gets them the big bucks.

The hardware sales - they're not that significant.

Otherwise they wouldn't be moving against Unlocked Bootloaders.