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[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gpat_XDA:
This thread is a joke. The users are asking purposeful, technical questions and the CEO is answering like some Apple Store employee.

Anybody can put out those answers with 5 seconds of Google search.

As for myself? Have been considering either Honor 10 or P20, the Project Treble support left me impressed, but now it's useless if the bootloader can't be unlocked.

I'll just change my Xiaomi with another Xiaomi.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
Possible problem ? But by unlocking the phone, users also getcan access to actually solve problems which left out unsolved by the company. By modifying it themself, fixing it themself, improving it themself.

See what happen with VoLTE support ? Your region based ROM system, prevent a lot of your users to using VoLTE in their country, even when their carrier support it. With unlocked bootloader and root, people manage to overcome that problem by themself. With zero, yes zero, support from company side.

Phone freezing ? Power consumption increase ?? That also happen on the phone with locked bootloader. And with lack of support from company, and slow update, users are left with all those problem to face everyday.

After all, we bought this phone. It should be up to us, what we want to do with our phone. Different story if ypu gibe us the phone for half the price, then maybe, we wont complain regarding the bootloader unlock.

But i paid more than thousands bucks in total for my honor and huawei devices (P9, Honor 9, Mate 10, P20 Pro) and i expect i get a good development support for all those pennies i spent. Not this "possible problem" BS :(
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] keller112:
Hi George,

If you're in fact, the CEO, and not a PR Guy,

Even though Honor and Huawei try their best to make good devices, The bootloader issue is clearly a showstopper in a development community like XDA,

and while the templated answer you provided certainly answers some questions, it definitely skirts around the bootloader issue.

Are you aware of what even XDA is, and why people use it?

It's not /r/android, that's for sure, and companies that don't support development efforts, by providing easy bootloader unlocks, or device trees, for example, are simply ignored.

It's what would seperate a brand like yours, and an "aliexpress-special" - the support behind the product, and knowing that even if the company does not provide updates,

the community will... and this is a clear indication to anyone that plans to use their device for more than a year that that safety net of quality community ROMs will not be there.

This is okay, most regular consumers don't care much for this, but why would you try to understand XDA users when your business is clearly incompatible with such communities?

What are some other incentives that your devices offer that can't be found on similarly-priced competitor products that also happen to support bootloader unlocking as well?

I'm sorry if my post comes acorss a bit rude - this is not intended - i am genuinely curious about the decisions that have led to this outcome.

Cheers!
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Apo11on:
To those, compiling a list of "most important" issues, saying they represent the majority of users, while not including the above issue - you are being ignorant, shortsighted and selfish. At least you HAVE a device to find flaws within - US consumers have NEVER had one from Huawei/Honor, and ALL US consumers would like to know why? Other than bootloader issue, the above question is far more important than every other issue you raised.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ducle2502:
umm, did you read the news?

https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/2/1...uawei-zte-phones-retail-stores-military-bases

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You could have literally typed in "Generic answer" and not have to trouble yourself with all those sentences. How would you plan to attract a community of developers if you forbid them from developing on your device?
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] antares*:
I've followed Honor devices and been really impressed with the products. As Honor has just started in my country with limited models, would there ever be any chance (if purchased from overseas) of having a standardized manufacturers rom on all devices without having to worry about region restrictions on the device so as to receive regular updates?

Thanks
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zelendel:
Wrong thread
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] KNGPN Q w Q:
Dear Mr. Zhao,

While the Honor 10 definitely is an absolutely beautiful and capable device, I'm rather worried about the software updates and security patches. I'm well aware of the fact that my old Honor 5X was promised 2 years of Android updates, but after about a year, not even a single security patch was pushed out to these devices. Luckily the owners of these devices, myself included, were able to easily unlock the bootloaders - thank you for that - and to flash whatever ROM they liked from the vast variety of custom ROMs. However, now it seems that we will not even be able to unlock the bootloader anymore because of "system built-in function failure, device freezing, and power consumption increase". I personally - and a lot of developers and end-users alike, I imagine - do not see why an unlocked bootloader would lead to the issues mentioned above, but by all means I could be wrong. Not to mention that an unlocked bootloader is a requirement for custom ROM development and usage. I sure do hope you at Honor are well aware of what the XDA community stands for...

Coming back to my worries about software updates and security patches, how will you handle those this time around? Will you simply give up support for the Honor 10 after a little while, not keeping yourself to your own promises, or will you actually deliver the end-user the updates and patches they believed they were getting when choosing for and buying your products and services? If it is the former, then I fear for your sales, especially since the ability to unlock the bootloader will be no longer available, and for the trust of the customers and end-users in Honor as a company.

Thank you for taking your time to read my thoughts about the situation. I admire it that a CEO actually wants to listen to what the customers think about the products and services of a company. You don't owe me anything, so if you do not want to answer my question, then that's absolutely fine. All I want is that you give the matter some thought and, hopefully, act accordingly.

Kind regards,

Pinnie
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lisbon2004:
People on XDA are technology-savvy, open, and direct.

this answer is so generic it looks as a general pr/marketing response.

We expected more factual explanation...

Why Huawei smartphones suffer from "system built-in function failure, device freezing, and power consumption increase" when unlocking, while phones of other manufacturers do not? Does it mean Huawei smartphones are faulty and low quality products?

I have unlocked many phones from HTC, SONY, MOTOROLA, SAMSUNG and they DID NOT experience "system built-in function failure, device freezing, and power consumption increase". Even more - unlocking them allowed to improve and optimize software, so they started to working better and longer (because power consumption actually decreased).

Maybe Huawei's AI is the problem? The fact that you don't allow users to disable it (which annoys and causes many problems with applications - like they stop functioning correctly in the background) is worrying.

Charging XXXs of euros for a device and then prohibiting user to use it according to his/her needs must be legally prohibited.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Double Chin Bigot:
Hello,

Without an unlockable bootloader your devices have ABSOLUTELY NO USE for this community. A locked bootloader kills all developement. Can you please take your garbage and leave this community? We are not retarded to buy into your crap with freezes and function failures... Please.

Thank you,

Entire goddamn XDA forum
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ImAzygos:
Here is the equalizer bro in stock music player of EMUI
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] bielie:
Hello Mr Zhao

I come from Indonesia, I see the honor has entered the Indonesian market. I think late than any other brand. Honor 7 9 10 is sold through flash sales. Earlier this month I was interested nova 2 lite huawei, very difficult to get it in jakarta. So I decided to buy another brand. I want to ask, What huawei really want to focus in Indonesia smartphone market or just being trial market response only? I do not even know where the huawei service center is currently in Jakarta.

thank you
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Amirk365:
Poor. Not good. VLC is better.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] tinnef:
It's really adorable how everyone here still tries to reason with "Honor"-George, and XDA, like either of them might actually give a damn about their user base.

George is here just as a spokesman for the pr-department, and XDA is very happy to be cashing George's check and be his *****.

Sure, they say they are "working with huawei to get the decision reversed", but that just means they will keep cashing George's checks and continue to be his *****.

Even today they happily promote huawei and their devices. If XDA had any integrity they would stop any and all advertising for huawei and their products, but again they are showing themselves to be the huawei whores that they are and cash their checks rather than do what's right for their users..
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ghostofcain:
What I find adorable is that you think your potty mouth rant will do any better, if youre not happy with the state of the community feel free to leave, don't like the way Honor/Huawei do business take YOUR money elsewhere. Sure the conversations with "Honor George" are an inept attempt at managing poor PR but no one makes you read them.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] tinnef:
No one makes you read my potty mouth rant, so if you don't like it don't.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Aniket21B:
Imagine how much productive this thread could've been, had Huawei not decided to lock the bootloaders permanently.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zelendel:
I understand how you guys feel about the state of bootloader locks. But you had to see it coming. You can't have a secure device while having an open bootloader. This is just the way it is. Security is far more important then the wants and needs of less then 1% of mobile users.

So instead of focusing on the bootloader, how about working so you don't need it.

Just a thought.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] iantechie1979:
I'm actually quite dumbfounded that Huawei/Honor have come to this decision and the lack of response/explanation from CEO Honor George as well as the sniping starting to take place between XDA members who are passionate about customisation and development and those who are not. What's next? Us against them? XDA developers.com versus XDA generic.com? Okay that's probably too much but still...

Well they do say change is hard and I've been thinking about trying another brand for a while. I guess there's no time like the present :fingers-crossed:

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That's one way to look at it but then what's the point of this website, this community and these forums as far as Huawei/Honor is concerned. None. :confused:
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Amirk365:
What does that mean? Yes Bootloader means secure devices but everyone knows this already. However, the casual user will just keep their bootloaders locked and won't even mind, but it is those of us, who long for stock Android, who unlock our bootloaders and try to achieve that.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Apo11on:
Yes, junior member - I did. Besides the fact, it's "news" only to you - because the US govt has been informally discouraging US telecoms from dealing with Chinese makers for years, those "news" are from beginning of this month - I'm talking "since the beginning of time" for smartphones industry, since the year Huawei/Honor started making them.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Speedo.thc:
Thx for the joke:good:
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zec_mendes:
Hi Mr. George, I've got a question about the #beautyinai ?✨✨ would it be possible to upgrade the camera of Honor V10 to have the Beauty in AI mode like the Honor 10? Just asking because Honor V10 as Artificial Intelligence too, so... Would that be possible?
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Apo11on:
Here is another thought. What you, and unfortunately most mobile phone makers are failing to understand, is actually pretty simple, but a key concept. When you say "security is far more important then... " - what you don't seem to understand is that you're not any kind of supreme authority on what's more important, neither is Huawei or any other manufacturer and when it comes to the order of importance and priorities - the answer to this question depends on who is being asked. Neither you, nor Huawei get to decide what's more important for me, or any other consumer - *ONLY I* and I alone can do that. While you're entitled to an opinion - it doesn't have to be shared, andt if MY if my priorities and what's import to ME are different from yours or Huawei - I DONT CARE what's important to you, and moreover - I don't even have to listen to what you consider important, if I don't agree with! It really is a very simple concept - If Huawei, or any other manufacturer, is auditioning for my money - they MUST understand that in the case of conflicting priorities what THEY think does not matter - the only thing that matters is what I want.

While manufacturers are free to create any hardware they want, and lock it up and cripple it any way they want (bootloader, carrier network lock, deny FS access like Apple & jailbreaking) - they must not lose sight of the fact, that us, consumers in turn are free to buy whatever hardware suits OUR needs and meets OUR priorities. They also must not lose sight of what it means to OWN something. When I pay a full price, and fully 100% own a device - it means I own every single bit of information on it, every single bit of EPROM in it, whether it's NVRam or any other bit of readable or writable memory on any of the partitions. The ownership is not partial, or conditional in any way - the device and everything inside it is MINE to use whichever way I see fit. Whether I chose to make calls with it, light up camp fire with it, or use it a hammer for some nails in my barnyard - it's no one's damn business and no one should be allowed to control what I do or not do with it, or prevent me from accessing any part of the device I fully 100% OWN.

All of us, who want unlocked bootloader disagree with your personal opinion (and whoever else may share it) that " security is more important then... " and we feel that (1) you can still achieve very reasonable level of security with unlocked bootloaders (desktop computers are a good example of that, where users can install/flash any OS to their PCs or Macs) and (2) the advantage of being able to do custom roms development, have full freedom in your device to remove any carrier imposed bloatware, and allow thousands of talented developers of AOSP community to develop great new features and improve existing features by far and away, greatly outweighs whatever perceived, alleged security advantages locked bootloaders provide.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] anas214812:
Is there any pure Android(Android one) device inline near feature with the release of Honor devices?
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Honor_CEO_George:
Hello bielie,

Thanks for your support of Honor products. Indonesia market is one of the major markets of Honor and since we entered into Indonesia in March, we have continually established our production facilities and online/offline channels to make our products accessible to Indonesian fans. However, it takes time. As far as I know, Honor 9 Lite is accessible in our offline stores so that your don't have to buy it through flash sales. Honor 7X is sold by using the flash sales because of production capacity/sales channels/ other issues. For Honor 10, we haven't determined when to release it in Indonesia market but given Indonesia market is so important to us, it will be accessible soon. In addition, there are enormous exciting Honor fans online/offline events in Jakarta, please keep an eye on our news.

Best regards
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] crixley:
Yeah in 6 months or so when they release a new model and get bored of updating one, what happens then without bootloader unlock? These companies are destroying the entire point of this site so why should we support them? If companies continue to go this route this site will be worth less and less as customization becomes more difficult and potentially even impossible on many devices. Can anyone, especially a retired moderator, say with a straight face that there is benefit to this?
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] KalilDev:
[MENTION=8820900]Honor[/MENTION]

With the GDPR being valid right now, I wanted to know if your phone AI is complient to it, and if you are really committed to protect the user data.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] br54:
If security is such an issue

Why don't you update my phone to current security patches?

Ooooooorrr is Trump right.. And you don't want people at the root

I've caught uc browser uploading info to a remote server.

I don't have uc browser installed.

..

Can't trust ya...

Samsung Galaxy note 9 ordered.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] oktalz:
Why everybody is going in direction of non-removable battery. Can it be replaced, but it is not plug and play, or it can't be removed?
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] dlads:
In regards to the 1% of people who want an open bootloader, by standing next to the 99% you've overlooked a huge problem which is penny wise and pound foolish, do you honestly believe that by locking the bootloader down that you'll only lose 1% of sales? :D

You see the 1% of people who explore a device like the P20 Pro or the Honor 10 are the ones who recommend these devices to their families, they're the ones who show off its features and why it creates a buzz on the internet, not because a reviewer picked up the device for free.

You've chosen to turn your back on Android and to destroy it's soul by CHOOSING to create an apple clone, you want control? You'll end up like HTC, let's not forget that HTC started a lot of what android is today, they pioneered what most companies were terrified to even try, more to the point they appeared like a rising star (much like you were and are today in many ways) they too decided to lock down bootloaders and that spawned the start of their demise, something they never recovered from even with some truly amazing devices with the best chipsets available at that time.

If you want to succeed in the android world, create strength, speed, reliability and above all else CHOICE!! The main reason people don't want to buy Apple anymore is because Apple removes choice and allows you what THEY think you want, not need or might like to see what THEY think you want.

If you can't see this ?? Then mine and your relationship starts and ends with the P20 Pro, the longer your stance remains with the dark side of the mobile phone world the harder it's going to be to come back from.

Lastly, and without any prejudice, I can say that besides some speed issues between the menu system and launcher (and unremovable bloat) the P20 Pro is the finest phone I've ever used, after installing the pixel launcher of course, if you choose to continue the way you are, providing users with the freedom to choose what they want then I applaud you, if you turn your back on the people who rave about, promote and love android more than any of the 99% of users in the world could ever know how to, then you'll regret it.

We made android what it is today by standing by devices and buying anything that our beloved preferred companies churned out, I wouldn't continue down the path you're on because you're making it very difficult for the people who've stood by you to continue to do so..

Hopefully you'll see Sense...
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gavinfabl:
Love my Honor 10 and the AI Camera !

Is Honor able to commit to a certain period in time after purchase, as to how long phone will get security updates and how regularly.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] coconutxyz:
it's funny that XDA is promoting a device with locked bootloader. How ironic
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zelendel:
The site is slowly moving to app development. This site was around long before you were "able" to flash a device. Forums I hate to say are on their way out.

You are missing the fact that the ability alone to unlock the bootloader is a security risk.

Come back when you grow up.

Here is a thought. What the .01% of android users mean nothing when compared to everyone else. You are gonna have to get over that fact. What you want means nothing. You want things your way? Then make your own cell phone.

All you own is hardware. Nothing more. All the software is leased as is. Nothing more. They could easily say that fine. IF you unlock the bootloader then it wipes all of the OEM software off it. Which means the bootloader code as well. And then where would you be?

Dont bring desktop pc into this as the 32bit version come with locked bootloaders and with the new bios all OS need a MS signature. So guess what. You still are not in control.

Now you guys can complain all you want. I have been doing this more almost 20 years. Its all a matter of time. The few will always have to give way for the many. Even Google is using more closed sourced files.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Amirk365:
I get what you are saying but I stand firm to what I said. Why are we buying devices that don't give us full access to what we want inside of it? For example I don't want Huawei music and I hate having duplicate apps, why not allow me to delete that and use which ever one I wish to use? Plus, when software support has ended, why should I have to buy the latest device when my "old" one is still in good working condition. And they can't blame hardware manufacturers, they own HiSilicon.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Levered:
I glad hear about Honor 10, here my question.

1. What is the planning of huawei to honor 10 in terms of development? Does it will support treble or android upgrade version.

2. Im hear Huawei will block bootloader soon, does you behave what happening soon for android developer society?

3. Does Huawei will bring new or latest features to Honor 10?

:D
[Xiaomi Redmi 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] PROdelision:
I'm using Redmi 2 1 GB variant and am unable to play PUBG.....It says device not supported....have anyone found a workaroud for that.
[Xiaomi Redmi 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] fallenguy98:
Sorry to say but For 1gb variant might b impossible to run it
[Xiaomi Redmi 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] PROdelision:
I can make it run smoothly with gltools.....but im unable to start the game...as it says not supported
[Xiaomi Redmi 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] DareDevilThaGr8:
Install Custom ROM. https://xdaforums.com/ground-zero-r...e-development/rom-tesla-rom-3-0-beta-t3476487

Now you can Play PUBG.

I've installed it successfully. Have to install Gapps.
[Xiaomi Redmi 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] PROdelision:
2gb ram or 1gb ram model?
[Xiaomi Redmi 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] DareDevilThaGr8:
1gb. I installed pubg but cant play. it said ur device aint supported. i even tried faking specs by editing build.prop. nawt workin
[Xiaomi Redmi 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] tom jp:
Did u try tempalte-adreno 430
[Xiaomi Redmi 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] DareDevilThaGr8:
No, What's that ? Explain it, i will try
[Xiaomi Redmi 2 Guides, News, & Discussion] tom jp:
Install gltools, use template adreno 430 ,check fake gpu Info, change ram to 3 GB or more