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[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] puding22:
So are these photos good or not?

Comparing to for example samsung s7?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] youngchaos:
Auto-mode sucks at the moment.

HDR helps a bit.

Manual you will get nice shots.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] puding22:
How much to put F and how much S :)

Im kinda noob at manual :)

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How much to pu S and how much F

Im kinda noob at this :)
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] youngchaos:
Well, with Manual photos are a lot better. It's no doubt Xiaomi need to fix Automatic parameters. ;)
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
Auto works during the day, imo, but it won't in the night. Camera needs night mode which set the shutter speed max 1/2s.

Mi8 Auto - xiaomi.eu miui 10 stable

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1gt5agrlw/

At first I was very disappointed from the camera. Then, I changed from Global to xiaomi.eu, and I tried to learn the camera, where and how it shoots good, and where it fails. Now, I start to love it and the pics it makes :) .

Will be great, if xiaomi optimizes even further and make it better.

A beginner’s guide to the Xiaomi camera app: Here’s what those settings and modes do
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] ben_linux:
Well, I received this morning my mi8 and made a lot of pictures today and this afternoon, and compare it with my OP6. I have both in my hands right now.

Honestly, the OP6 is way better. Like wow. What the hell is going on. I know the august update made the OP6 way better in camera, but I expected the mi8 to be better too. I'm rather disapointed, because I bought the MI8 and planned to sell the OP6, and now I don't know what to do...
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] _katho_:
What a pity. :D
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] youngchaos:
Woa, slow down. Camera IS better on the paper. Xiaomi messed up with software tho.

Im testing the old build China Developer 8.6.28 and it shots way better then now on Global Beta. Gonna Upload another comparison.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] ben_linux:
Lol slow down down for what ?

I'm not telling that mi8's camera is trash, I'm saying that OP6's camera is better. If you can't handle this fact, well...

I don't care if it's software ou hardware-related, I'm just saying that reviews shows the contrary. I don't know if China version is better or something, but I am on global stable miui10 and I'm not totally satisfied with the output.

I can understand that you're not happy with my words, but the truth must be said for people who are still in doubt with the phone to chose.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] youngchaos:
You misunderstood me, I agree with you and im pretty mad cause the camera hardware is great but software is destroying it.

May I ask you fullsize images on drive/dropbox/whatever of the same Item ( pick something really detailed) shooted with OP6 and Mi8 ? Both auto please. Im working to find the problem (for now the first problem i've noticed is that Auto-mode pick a rapid shutter speed and increse dramatically the ISO = NOISE FESTIVAL)
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] ben_linux:
Hello, I answered your private message, I'll do pics as soon as I have a little free time :)
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
Mi8 Camera Gate! (bad quality auto mode)

I don't like the Mi8 capmera quality, since the first day I own the device. Great hardware with bad software. I've flashed lots of different Miui version Stable/Beta, Global/Chaina. I understood that the Chaina ROM makes better pictures than the Global ROM, and it's not only my opinion. Togеther, with the forum member [MENTION=5351403]youngchaos[/MENTION] (also pissed off of the camera quality) we've started to investigate the problem. We've putted the camera in different scenarios and different modes, then we compare and coment them, every day. I'm going to show you one of them later in the post. As far as he told me, now, he is a Global Beta tester and he is doing his best to help the Xiaomi stuff understand they have a problem and start to work to find a solution to slove it. He was with the Global ROM at first but he tried the Chaina Dev 8.6.28 and he saw there was differens in quality. Althuogh, the Chaina is better, it needs more optimization to make even better pictures in Auto mode, just to show what Mi8 is realy capble of.

The 4 pictures that I'm going to show you in my example are shooted with my Mi8, ROM xiaomi.eu Miui 10 10.0.5.0 Stable, which is based on the Chaina Stable/dev. All the pictures are made in 1min time. HDR and AI are turned off (they can't be used in manual mode).

Pic 1 - Manual mode. All Settings to Auto. Manual Focus in the center.

1/3586s, ISO100

Pic 2 - Manual mode. All Settings to Auto, ISO manual to 100. Manual Focus in the center.

1/738s, ISO100

Pic 3 - Photo mode. All Settings to Auto. Manual Focus in the center.

1/3693, ISO100.

Pic 4 - Manual mode. Shutter speed manual to 1/1000s, ISO manual to 100. The other settings to Auto. Manual Focus in the center.

In pictures 1 и 3, they are with almost equal settings for the shutter speed and ISO, but picture 1 is with lower quality than the picture 3. There is lots of noise, although the ISO is 100, and there is lot of daylight around. The grass in both pictures is smeared. Although, the pics are bad, the sky in them is OK and is natural.

In pictures 2 и 4. The grass is perfect, there is no so much noise, but the sky is overexpoused, because you can't get faster shutter speed in manual mode than 1/1000s. Probably with speed 1/2000s, 1/3000s the pics will be perfect.

They should take the better half of 2 examples and make 1, the sky from the auto mode, and the grass from the manual mode, at the end to have a perfect shoot in Auto mode. If they want there camera to be cometitive with the other flagships.

Lets hope Xiaomi will pay attention on this big problem and find a way to slove it. Lest hope they will even add more manual settings for shutter speed and ISO as Samsung, Pixel, iPhone do in auto mode, so we are able to make better pictures with Mi8 and enjoy our phones even more.

There overall results with Global ROM shooting in Auto mode/Manual mode are even worst!

I'd like to pay attention that not all of my pics looks bad in auto mode

Thanks [MENTION=5351403]youngchaos[/MENTION] for his cooperation and advices.

Regards!
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] galakty:
To be honest 1st photo is the best....

It was a hard scenario for a phone (even for a camera). In such situations you should use HDR. Also pointing manual focus on screen changing the photo metering mode... I hope You know that.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
The focus is the same for all of the pictures. Did you try to zoom in?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] Slynder:
Thank you guys! [MENTION=5755275]morfei1[/MENTION] [MENTION=5351403]youngchaos[/MENTION] , I've reported the camera problems on the MIUI forum but xiaomi staff is awful, hope you guys can get us a response and hopefully a better camera overall.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] galakty:
My god... Im not talking about focus point! When you do tap to focus then the metering system changes and you cant do comparison, because even some clouds or lens flare could change the exposure.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
Do you wanna see same pic made with Samsung S8 in auto mode? The grass and sky are all ok in it.

Why the scenario is difficult for Mi8 but is not difficult for Samsung last year flagship?

The pics are made in 1min time, same conditions.

Samsung S8

https://drive.google.com/file/d/14k5sP_c8uRl8jEyxaqOGZ9j9KEsL2ZDC/view?usp=drivesdk

Xiaomi Mi8

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11WAAJpcnrzghN-J5Ud_FiqphbhN-eZq2/view?usp=drivesdk

Which one do you like more?

If I was able to use faster shutter speed, you would be able to see that the sky in manual mode pic, would be perfectly exposed, but not burned.

The question for me is:

Since the auto use 1/3500s ISO100 why there is so much noise and lose of details?

I'm not PRO photographer, maybe you are, but since all of the pics are in the same position, and are focused at the same spot, I can't understand how this can be the problem? Try to be more detailed and give examples if you have, better with Mi8.

The difference is in shutter speed, ISO and shooting modes and how the camera app processing the pictures. Since, I don't see the same problems with the Gcam mod (it's problems are color related at the moment). I can't agree with you, just by saying "you should not manual focus, because of it you have wrong expousure".

Believing or not, I've made lots of pics and comperison with the phone, since I have it, there is a problem and it's obvious.

The camera app does not work good in auto mode. The pics it makes are low quality in same situations, and are not for a flagship phone.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] youngchaos:
Look at exif.

Manual mode cant be pushed over 1/1000 shutter speed, that's why the 4th photo got buildings and sky burned.

Otherwise you gonna see manual destroying auto-mode.

Try Mi8 in sunset or others high-light scenario. You gonna see noise even if not necessary, but the irony is that you cant even use manual because if you use 100iso with 1/1000 you gonna get a white photo.

That said, im gonna show another 100% crop i made today.

https://imgur.com/a/MKopSFO

Please. Mi8 got a problem with processing, noise reduction or whatever. Auto-mode as for now, is pretty ugly.

And even DxOmark noticed it when they said:

Best of luck!
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] galakty:
Maybe you're right, I got Mi 8 yesterday, waiting now for screen protector so I can use it without risk and then I will test it some. I've switched from P9 and Im interested in differences.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] youngchaos:
If you still have the P9, try to make a comparison. Shot-auto mode with both... you gonna see.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] galakty:
To be honest... I made a comparison with Redmi Note 5 (Global)... Xiaomi was better in auto mode.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] youngchaos:
Well is always a 2016 device vs 2018...
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
....and? Show some comparison, if you'd like to.

Try to find the worst scenario for the Mi8 and compair the results, though Redmi Note 5 sensor is different and mid-range, imo. But this is not the hardware problem, but software.

Thanks in advance.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] galakty:
RN5 has better dynamic range, better autofocus and it can see better in dark light. Maybe in bright sun its worse, also its worse in macro (Huawei has superb optics) but overall its OK. Remember its cheap chinese phone, if You want quality of S9, then buy... S9?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
Better than what... Mi8? If Mi8 is a cheap Chaina phone, then Redmi Note 5 is even cheaper and low quality than Mi8.

Huawei optic is better than Mi8 or Redmi Note 5?

Be more specific and give example if you have, because other way it's a little bit pointless, though I respect your opinion.

You can't say go for S9 if you want quality in pictures. Althugh, it a little bit more expencive than Mi8. Mi8 has the same score as S9+ in DXO for example. The price is a little bit different, but we tolk about the flagship phones of twe companies, that tried to do and put their best to make the best phone.

IMO, Huawai Mate 10 Lite is a Mid-Range phone,since it's Lite version, reliesed October 2017. Mi8 is a flagship phone reliesed May 2018. Which picture do you think is better?

Auto mode without manual focus as you like it! Point-and-Shot

Link to originals
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] galakty:
P9 < RN5 < Mi8 - its my opinion for normal people who take fotos in auto mode for themselfes or family. P9 shines in manual mode, it has multiple options and it has superb optics, like sharp razor (its better than RN5s optic and Mi8s optic, but Mi8s optic is better than RN5s obviously).

I cant show examples for now because I took just some photos in home, but I can see clearly its not bad photo shooter. I was worried about change from P9 but Im super happy now.

But yea, there is an issue with auto mode in low light, even in home. Soooo much grain, but to be honest I prefer grain than smudging and P9 has the same "problem". Manual mode works fine with longer exposures (like 1/8 or smth) and then its lowing ISO to 100 - no noise, everything ok.

Im surprised how heavy files it generates, about 4-5 MB (one photo was even 7 MB).

But I understand, it doesnt take superb photos all the time, auto mode is not the best, You need to know how to take photo and what option use (for example manual mode), but even with that its so much better than older xiaomi phones... I had RN2, then Mi4c... There is no comparison between them. PDAF works excellent even in a cellar (yea, I checked that).

Im on Global MIUI 10 Stable. Not using xiaomi.eu.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
Yeah, most of the time almost double the size of its competitors, it's strange for me since the pics are not better. They have problems with compression also :D

You have official Global with locked bootloader, or Chaina with unlocked bootloader and Global ROM on it?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] krepsz:
Problem is, that the camera algorithm using in low light so very high iso, that make the picture terrible. I belive, that they want, that will make the phone in low light also fast and bright picturese, but i found this not good. I compared with my HTC 10 low light pictures and when HTC using around the dame conditions maximum iso 3200 and relativ sharp pictures than the Mi 8 using iso 12000 and producing very noisy pictures.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] galakty:
Official Global with locked BL :)
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] youngchaos:
The processing is all wrong.

Mi8 lack details even when light is good ;)
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
Xiaomi can use max 1/2s. with low ISO, and the pics will look good in low light. Now, they use faster shutter speed and try to make the pic bright with more ISO in low light auto mode, and they fail.

You can try low light pics in manual mode:

ISO - Auto

Shutter speed - max 1/2s.

Then shoot the same in auto and compair.

Low light pictures are not big problem, since you can compensate it with manual settings, but they also fail in good light conditions, and you can't compensate it with the manual settings :(

Now, if you want a good sharp, detailed, pictures in good light, you have to use HDR and AI, without them, pictures are not good.

I hope to have a good working auto mode, but Xiaomi needs to work on that.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] galakty:
Yea thats the issue. Why the hell we cant use shutter speed like 1/4000 in 2018, when auto uses it...
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] krepsz:
Im just trying, trying, trying, but pictures are not enogh good for me. If i want take a picture quickly, i dont have a time to go on manual settings. I really dissapointed. And still i can tell you, that my HTC 10 did a better and more detailed pictures.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
Some night pics shooted with my mi8. Manual mode, auto ISO, manual shutter speed 1/2s. as I remember.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/2hsxg7rno/
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] galakty:
1. They're not bad at all.

2. I think in some photos the shutter speed was too long.

3. I see very nice optics on lens flares (razer thin lines of light), lens flares are a little big cause of too long exposure I think.

But anyway they're not bad for a chinese phone that costs 400$.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
I tried to find out the longest shutter speed I'm able to use shooting by hands, without obvious defocus, blur with these pictures.

I think the max usable is 1/2s.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] galakty:
I dont think you can hold a phone stable for 0,5 of a second. Defocus shoudlnt be a problem because it uses PDAF.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
Probably, but the pics looks good. With 1s they start to look blurry, with 1/4s they start to look darker, you need to compensate it with ISO, which produce noise.

At the end, I've ordered Xiaomi tripod for night pictures :) . I'm waiting for it.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] puding22:
i just got honor 10 also

And now i see mine MI8 doesnt have sharp images :(

Maybe honor sharpnes a bit but they look crispier especially leaves and grass
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] Oz. T:
Hi. I'm thinking of buying mi 8. I read in gsmarena that the camera is great. Also I heard that the last global 10 miui update improved camera performance especially the blur problam. Is that true?

I also got into the op6 xda forum and all is complaining about camera and photo quality. So... The case here at the mi 8 is even worse?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] youngchaos:
Make a comparison, same shots and same point-of-focus all auto and post full-size photos please.

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I cannot suggest you to buy Mi8 for camera as per now.

Cause i've found some serious issues in noise and details in auto-mode.

You should shot everything in manual-mode if you want to mantain a quality photo but in some cases the manual-controls are limited in settings (for example, shutter speed cant go below 1/1000 and with the strong sun-light you gonna burn everything even at 100iso).

So i think it's better to wait for now... and lets see...
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] Oz. T:
Thank you kindly.

What's weird is that even the poco manage to do great at daylight and noise is not exist, and it possess the same camera sensors! And if you tell me that the last update did not improve the camera performance, then I shall think twice. Maybe poco or even 5 note AI as I'm short of buying op6 budget wise.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] youngchaos:
I would pick OP6 or Nokia 7 Plus, honestly.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
Auto, no HDR, no AI, no post processing with third-party app, pics with my Mi8.

You can expect this from the camera. Decide for yourself, you like it or you don't.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] heidan_:
which rom do you use?
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] galakty:
I made short comparison in home at evening, auto vs 1/8s - the results are so much different.

Why Xiaomi uses 1/33 when Mi 8 has OIS? It can easily shot without blur with 1/8 (maybe more, I didnt test it).

Fun fact: Max ISO is 12800.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
Last night, I've updated to 10.0.6.0 xiaomi.eu and here are the results

HDR off, AI off, Auto mode

HDR on, AI on, Auto mode

As you can see the difference is quite obvious in the details of the grass, so I think the use of HDR is mandatory but AI depends from your personal taste. IMO, AI, right now, with this ROM version does not boost colors so much, and I prefer to be turn on in this scenario. I'm satisfaild with the results, although I'm be glad if Mi8 camera shoots better without HDR on.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] galakty:
For me the second photo is too much processed... Its not natural and its bad for me (almost like P20 Pro, its a trash). In my taste first photo is much better, but I prefer natural look.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
I've decided to shoot my grass that my Mi8 failed so bad from different point of view, and here are the results:

Same grass, same phone, same "photographer", same conditions, different point of view

ROM: xiaomi.eu 10.0.6.0

Auto HDR, AI off, Auto Focus

The Software decided not to use HDR in this pic

Auto HDR, AI on, Auto Focus

The Software decided not to use HDR in this pic

I like the level of detail and colors of the first pic and it's quite different from what I've seen on my privious pictures shooting the same grass.

On the second pic you can see oversaturated colors which is normal when you use AI, and it depends from your personal taste you like it, or you don't.

Regards!
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] monmonxD:
Im planning to buy this Phone Mi 8, but im not sure about the camera. I've read a lot of comments about how bad is the camera specially in global rom?? (Im not sure about that)

Planning to get this one to upgrade over my Mi A1. And i look at youtube about the review on this phone specially about the camera. And all of the reviews are positive. And then i got here, seeing and reading all the comments specially about the camera is bad. Now im not sure if im going to buy this or not. I read lot of comments hoe bad is the camera. But on youtube reviews. Its very good. Please advise me.

Anyway, heres the camera review this one is great comparison i think. Mi 8 vs s9 vs oneplus6 vs Lg g7.

[youtube]CefnJiXayzk[/youtube]

[youtube]_Y_vQQ9TvVc[/youtube]

Please advise me. Thank you!
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] cureious:
buy pixel 3
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] monmonxD:
I dont have that much budget as of now to be honest. My budget right now is around mi 8 segment price only.

Thanks for the advice anyway.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] cureious:
for now mi8 camera is low in quality. it has good hardware but trash software.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] niscrulez:
Camera is worse than my lg g4
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] puding22:
I just compared. Leeco x722 has more crispier day picture than MI8. Shocked. Tried hdr, AI.

Thats sad
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
Some night pics with Xiaomi Mi Tripod. Manual mode Vs Auto mode.

2s.

Auto

8s.

Auto
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] Ibrahim17:
Hello everyone,

For the pictures i use the Google pixel camera with the HDR+ and is work perfectly.

The picture is better than the stock application

For me the quality of the camera on the Mi 8 is not disappoint me, but with the software update can be better.

Sorry for my English [emoji28]

Envoyé de mon MI 8 en utilisant Tapatalk
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] krepsz:
Camera using too much high iso. Pictures are noisy. Im still very disappointed.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] krepsz:
Pixel 3 with the same Sony IMX 363 get 107 point on Dxomark. And our Mi8 with the same sensor can't make quality pictures. Need big camera software update, or ported Pixel camera app will help on this device.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] Ibrahim17:
I have the pixel camera and the quality is little bit better with HDR+

At night you can use de manual mode, the result is better than auto.

Pixel 3 has 107 because the software is not the same at the Mi 8

Don't lose the Mi 8 pricing below 500€/$...

Envoyé de mon MI 8 en utilisant Tapatalk
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] magnum2323:
I am using the GCam from BSG that is now developed especially for the Mi8. Look at this thread:

https://xdaforums.com/mi-8/themes/mi-8-google-camera-mod-t3803984
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
Few night pics with xiaomi mi tripod, manual mode.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] Ibrahim17:
All pictures looks good [emoji106][emoji106]

Which tripod use it?

Envoyé de mon MI 8 en utilisant Tapatalk
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
Xiaomi Mi tripod
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] krepsz:
Goid news, that in the last Xiaomi eu rom in Manula mode now we can set up the shutter speed till 32 seconds. Till now i didn't try, if is good or not.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] galakty:
And? Even old phones like Mi4c could set 32s...
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] krepsz:
Because till now it was not available this option.
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] Ibrahim17:
This option is not new for xiaomi mi 8 in the global stable

Envoyé de mon MI 8 en utilisant Tapatalk
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] morfei1:
Auto, no AI.

Manual mode, 1/2s, ISO100

For the crop/zoom lovers :)

All pics were made with the help of Xiaomi Mi Tripod
[Xiaomi Mi 8 Real Life Review] Roberttone:
Is Mi 8 still a good purchase?

Hi, I was almost decided to buy this phone, especially because of the good things I initially heard about the camera (on dxomark) and the display. Reading all the bad things about the camera on this forum made me confused. Do you regret buying it? Is there a better option in the $400 ballpark? Xiaomi Mi Mix 2s? Or Pocophone? For me, the display, the camera and the battery would be the most important.