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[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pretoriano80:
Hi mate, sadly is not only about bootloader unlock, even with that still available, Huawei is just not good for development and with that, i don't mean being able to root the device, but real development like fully working custom roms (with current development you need to accept that switching on a custom, you will have to cripple your device and basically give up on the features that were actually their strongest selling points) and real custom kernels (Their source code it's a mess and sometimes even broken. When it's working it will only take one firmware update for it to no longer work and obviously Huawei will not update the sources, even if this is a GPL violation).

Honor View 10 Open Source program was embarrassing, to say at least, with devices sent to devs and just that, no other support in months and no communication, not even between Honor's own departments (marketing, development, PR).

You said you heard they are working on a solution for the BL unlock, why 's that, i didn't know something was broken?! The bootloader unlock procedure was just fine, you accept that warranty is void when you do that so they are not forced to repair anything for free. It would be enough for them just to release a tool that will let you restore a full signed stock firmware, instead of winning about too many people bricking their devices.

Oh, wait,locking bootloader will allow them to improve user experience... what a bs... if they want to improve user experience, they have to start listening to their customers and build some kind of mechanism where users could contribute with bug reports and such. And they should also stop selling 2000 models with 1000 versions/regions, they should keep the cinese version and another global version, this way they will avoid fragmentation and speed up development.

This thread it is also embarrassing and has nothing to do with the XDA spirit... if XDA still has a spirit.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ducle2502:
Well, is that not the business model for Huawei for years? EMUI is not a cheap copy of iOS itself? Samsung in the beginning also have to compete with Apple on price until it gain enough market share to sell premium flagships. In fact, that is the whole business model for a new brand to penetrate a new market.

Also, who gave you the information that Xiaomi is using sub-par part? I do have to agree with other comments that you are "talking out of your ass" if you cannot provide some credible source for your claim.

As I have said, we are responsible adults. We accept all the risks accompanied with our decision. Your example can apply to Huawei's decision to lock the bootloader (to prevent us from finding out the key logger they built in).

I trust that this community has enough experts, and "self-proclaimed experts" like yourself, to find out what is in a ROM from an established developer of XDA. Or are you calling all XDA developers random kids from the internet who are putting malicious codes into the ROM they make?
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] br54:
/popcorn

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Yes know

Back in the exhibit days

Then later in my gt n7000 days

It was about freedom from corporate jerk offs telling what we could or couldn't do with our phones that we bought with our money by software restrictions...

Them later freedom from peeping Tom's shoving advertisement in our faces as well as logging our activities.

Freedom never lasts long

They always buy it up... Then sell pieces of it back

You can tell always who's more free..

They have the most money.

Rip xda
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] SREEPRAJAY:
Members,

Just walked in to see some personal responses and attacks.

Please be reminded that personal attacks are violation of the FORUM's rules.

Thread cleaned.

Kindly exchange respect and decorum with fellow members

Thanks
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] BlueJeans:
Not worth the read. This is a totally useless thread where the PR person only chooses the a$$-licking questions to answer and doesn't talk about the real issues.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sartaj prince:
Sorry if i played with ur emotions sir!!..i am sorry ..but u know how it feels when u friends have a dope phone but u still have a old device!...i dont want a high end device!..but a little changing is better i guess
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tecalote:
Hi Mate :)

I agree with you in many points. I just want to add:

The communication should be given between the Devs and the Open Source Program. Chris@Honor_USA has invited two times with email each Dev which got a device, to connect with the xda platform discord... But only a few of them are online and logged into this workgroup...

The Huawei internal discussion about bootloader can perhaps result in a complete open Bootloader without the need of an Unlock code. There are some other possibilities in discussing, but since Treble is supported, this would be the best option.

Including a Full working eRecovery for each Huawei device /brand.

It is the right of everyone to criticize and criticism can be constructive, even if you initially get no answer.

Be sure, this Thread is not only observed by the Thread starter, which has not the permission to answer the hottest points. But Huawei "itself" read everything.

We will see what will be the result.

Kernel sources were released as part of the open source program. Some others for other devices can be found too.

And there are pretty good Roms for many Huawei devices on xda (also LOS for Honor v10).

Even if there are many things as you said, which aren't perfectly for now.

But it can be a start in a new, good direction.

In Germany, we say "It's hard to start" It can fail as well. At the moment there is definitely a crisis on all sides.

And yes, XDA has a spirit.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Honor:
Hello there,

As you might know, the EMUI is not only designed for Honor products alone so that we cannot manipulate the EMUI team to promise a clear date for the Oreo update of Honor 7X. As far as I know, the update is different across the countries and if you have read the news, you might know that there is a revolutionary technology released by Honor in China and it will be applied to Honor 10, Honor View10, Honor 9 Lite, and Honor 7X. So personally, I do think the Oreo update and the technology will be provided to your 7X in your country, but I don't know the exact date and I don't have the authority to decide this. Sorry I can't solve your problem but I hope the new technology would be worthy of expecting.

http://www.scmp.com/tech/china-tech...beats-all?from=singlemessage&isappinstalled=0

This article is for your reference about the technology
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Honor:
Hi there,

Maybe I can answer this question for your rather than George Zhao. The AI beauty mode is a new function of EMUI8.1 and the OS of Honor View10 is EMUI8.0. So technically, your View10 would have the AI beauty mode when it gets the EMUI8.1. But, I cannot promise you this because the EMUI team has the authority to take the decision while I don't.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] TheGreenArr0w:
Guys, actually I don't think the bootloader issued could be addressed by George Zhao, as we all know that the decision is made by Huawei rather than Honor. It is strange that why Huawei made such a decision.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zelendel:
Who gave me this Information? It's called experience. Unless these people have E er gone to China or does any business I China then they have zero room to talk and should stay out of it. It is well known that quality control standards are not held to China oems. This is why China products are known for being cheap.

You do know that people really don't look over the code in roms right? I don't even bother. I build for my own device and the group I work with is not even on xda any more.

But the majority of developers on the site are kids. The average age being around 14. Which makes sense as they are the only ones that really have the time to devote to rom development.

People cant scream security while running things like root and custom roms.

Look I have zero issues with a locked bootloader. To be honest. I dont think most people should be allowed to mod their device. Because over the years they have shown they cant be responsible with it. You can see that from the number of developers that will no longer come to XDA.

You can either have freedom or security. You dont get both.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Sam Nakamura:
You don't get even one of those... both is a illusion as you probably know :)

Look, talking down the whole community is just not right, there're still good and even great developers on xda-developers, projects like lineageOS, Omni, Carbon ROM and so on still offer peer-reviewed quality products and you know that, sure Dirty Unicorns left but that's a minority, even though an important one...

You're accusations are only true for unofficial builds for MEDIATEK devices but all that actually doesn't matter as people should still have freedom, it's not your business to judge them for how they use it, they break their devices - who cares really? Even more so huawei and honor as warranty is killed by unlocking the device alone...

I also start to wonder how can you have no issue with locked up devices but built ROMs with a team on the other hand, or do you only have no issues if others have their devices locked? How do you even flash your custom software when the bootloader is locked?

Again, most of the time I really appreciate your comments but this discussion seems to be for the sake of being controversial, this leads to "nowhereland" and adds zero value - but as I firmly believe you're aware of this you must be trolling... This is the only way I could explain me the statement you just did
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] 5ulo:
Hi

1. is there any chance to have native dark EMUI theme? I mean not black as black, but something like dark gray or dark brown.

2. any chance to activate EIS?

Thanks
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] br54:
Don't worry

China is here to protect you from your freedoms by taking them away

And with the security of knowing... Loggers and spyware.....

We are all being watched
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zelendel:
You are right. I do know.

Its not a matter of talking down to people. Its a matter of just because you can doesnt mean everyone should. I know I can go out and change out the engine of my car with one a friend built. That doesnt mean I do it and then (here is the biggest issue I have with alot of people) when something goes wrong I return it to the OEM who is not even remotely responsible for what went wrong.

The same way I was when bootloaders were locked before. Bootloaders have not always been unlocked. This is an android thing. Yet we were here modding devices and hacking away any and all security measures the OEM could come up with. Android is when all the real development stopped. Things like bootloader exploits, work arounds for built in timebombs (that was always fun) and cookies home tab.

Hell I had a custom rom on my moto razer flip phone back in the early 2000. All software can be changed.

Coding is easy when you are given the code. What was done before android was alot harder.

DU is not the only one that has left the site. But even for the teams you named the main devs dont come onto XDA much anymore. They all stay off site and use things like telegram.

Here is where I stand on the matter. The average user device should be locked down tighter then an Iphone. This is because people have proven time and time again that they cant be responsible. They return devices they mess up by modding them and then the prices go up for everyone. I also think there should be a line of devices (the nexus line was perfect) that should be able to be unlocked for modders. I also think a company has a right to their IP. People keep yelling that they have the right to do what every they want with their device yet get mad when OEM say fine but you will do it without one bit of our code which means no bootloader or drivers

MTK devices should even be allowed on the site due to them violating the GPL but XDA really doesnt care about that much anymore.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hackintosh5:
Actually I agree with the first bit E.G. I recently broke my phone; erecovery won't install the package and frp has locked.

So I'm not complaining to honor; instead I will pay for DC Unlocker to fix it.

I do also agree with a 'nexus' line, AS LONG AS ITS CHEAP, like the Honor 9 Lite. Even with if it had only 2 cameras, H9L would be cheap. I do think there should be more competition for having a 'nexus' line, between OEMs.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] DashDashCZ:
If you have the new update 120, then you can turn eis on if you go to camera, video and to settings from there. It's all the way down in settings. It's available only for 1080p30 for both rear and front camera tho. Not for photos.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] br54:
I have a question

What is the purpose for

Hwintelligentrecsystem process in system apps?

What is the intent of this program?

As it runs 99% if the time.

This is a honest question for a honor rep.

Some suspect that this monitors your actions on this device and remotely is viewable from a remote server.

And what's the pourpose for the Huawei service app? As it is not functioning in America.

With it's read and write system privileges can be used for remote intrusions.

Honest questions for honest answers.

Show me your honor.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] FearFac:
To Honor CEO:

Honor 10:

- fingerprint sensor is significantly worse than in Honor 9, it was good, please stop using new one in future products; old FP was excellent, very fast and reliable, "dirty fingers?" - clean it

- tiny, invisible LED indicator, please stop using it

Generally:

- decision about not providing unlock codes is wrong, moreover by my opinion phones should be unlocked from factory automatically, leave up to user if he/she wants to mess with system modifications

- warranty in rooted phone does not need to cover software related problems, just cover hardware; it is nothing bad on rooted phone, comparing to Windows, it is like having Admin rights

- please make bigger battery, not display, in future phones, 5.2 inch is big enough and still possible to control with one hand

- please move all controls to the bottom of phone so that it is possible to control phone with one hand

- please improve significantly default launcher, look for features in NOVA prime or similar

- please allow OTA update on rooted phone

- please make new firmware releases much faster

- please support project treble

- please allow user to choose what firmware it wants: EMUI or plain google without modifications

Thanks for reaction.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zec_mendes:
Thank you! I hope they take that decision, it would be awesome
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Apo11on:
Please do NOT listen to this short-sighted and selfish comment. There are TONS of people on XDA and other net forums, longing for large screen phablets. Even 6" is too small. Devices should be like MediaPad X1,X2 - 7", but bezelless. And THEY SHOULD BE RELEASED IN USA AS WELL - no need/reason to discriminate against North America, as I already detailed in earlier post. The opinion of this guy, who wants tiny < 5.2" screens does NOT represent majority of the consumers.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zelendel:
Actually he does. There have been studies that have found that people do not prefer bigger screens. Anything over 6 is well known to be too big and not sell well. Most of the time they are bought by people that are hung up on the size of their screen.

https://www.google.com/search?q=people+perfer+smaller+screens+on+phones&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

You can have a read yourself.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Supersad:
I find 5.5 a perfect fit for me
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] br54:
Propaganda

The whole "less is more" theme.

If I'm paying 500 to over a grand for a 10 dollar piece of technology

It better have a screen that can be seen.

I like the 6 inch screen...I don't like the ."widescreen" them... They should have a better aspect ratio

The screen should be wider as well.

If you don't like decent seen size

Go buy a flip phone.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Apo11on:
Your attempt to argue over this is lame and selfish. Just because companies are going to accommodate other people 's needs and release large screen devices, does not mean they are going to stop producing tiny-ass devices you like so much. It doesn't affect you negatively in any way, so instead of trying to take away what other people want for no reason you should stfu and move on. People, who drink regular milk don't go screaming "No! No! Don't make 2% low fat milk as well!"

As for your googling - I, as many others, have been spending hours on top of hours, for the past 10+ years searching all corners of the internet for large screen devices we like, and over the years I have PERSONALLY SEEN thousands of people in hundreds of threads on many net forums, including XDA, wanting and obsessively searching for large screen devices. External researches are only good in cases when you don't have sufficient personal experience with the thing you're researching, not enough data to draw conclusions. That is NOT the case here - I've LIVED IT and PERSONALLY SEEN enough people over the past decade+ to be absolutely, 100% certain there are enough people,. wanting large screen phones, for manufacturers to make them. For those reasons, you can take your article and shove it. What you're doing is like trying to convince a plastic surgeon surgeries for beauty only reasons should not exist, because majority of people dont want them.

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@moderators Please remove that unwanted and unwelcome "Honor Supporter" tag XDA tagged me with without my knowledge or consent. I live in US - Huawei and Honor are currently discriminating heavily against US, therefore I do NOT support Honor, because Honor does not support and does not make devices for me.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zelendel:
OK well first off. It means nothing to me. I have a couple of 6+ inch devices sitting on my desk right now. Guess how many are used? I buy what works for me. So you can take your personal attacks and shove them where the sun doesn't shine.

Now as for what you think. I have been working in cellphone sales and repairs for the better part of 20 years. What I think doesn't come from a Google search. (that was for you) it comes from sales numbers and stats the carriers share along with the oem. The stats don't lie. Sure there are some that are hung up on size. But that makes up even less the the 1% of people that mod their device. Besides. You want large. Well go get a note.

Your attitude alone is enough to make sure that all of your posts are over looked and ignored. I would advise you to rethink how you talk to people. I don't mind personally. I deal with it all the time. But when you are speaking to a rep for a company in a country like China you either better come correct or deal with being ignored.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] br54:
Yeah.. ignored is how they do.

This is nothing like the Samsung experience.

The devs in those threads are more helpful.. Better knowledged and less conceded and more willing to help.

Every since I've received this device... It's been forgotten.

What do you expect from a communist regime?

The support in this device is shameful and non existent.

No matter how well made our how well it functions.. The lack of support nullifies its pros.

So.. You want to ignore the requests of the consumers will lead to the ignoring during my next cell phone purchase.

While I am grateful for the free device.. It does not equate my unconditional loyalty.

I would be furious beyond the normal if I had actually spent money.

I have gotten everything but honor from honor.

Word of mouth advertising is the best advertising and I will not in good faith recommend these devices.

0 updates...0 support..ty Oreopie for the only update I've received.

Even xda is failing With these attitudes.

Been here for awhile and the candor of the people here is of the "elitist" mentality.

I feel more cooperation representative views have infiltrated a once underground site for the people.

Every since CM sold out... This site has went down hill.

I see more argument for the corporations than of the people.

Honor has none.. And xda if nothing more than a farce now.

I miss the old devs... Shout out to Serbia and ze chermans...

I miss when this was about the people... Not the corporate view.

I miss flushing rom and wifeing the cash and devil..... You corporate tards wouldn't know about that.

This site is dead.

I'll not waste my time or resources helping them develope a forgotten device.. Instead I'll buy and help free world devices and reverse engineer this one for the benefit of their competition.

So long dishonor.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zelendel:
I dont disagree with you, I was not a fan of this program from the statr because while a great idea there is no way in hell it was gonna work. Too many people without full control. When you outsource most of your device code to other companies then you have to play by their rules.

A truly developer friendly device that has full open source code for all of its parts would be no different then building pure AOSP for a device without all the device spicific code, drivers or features. No one would buy that.

As for XDA. I cant say what their path is. I walked off that path when it started changing. It was more about numbers then developers.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] br54:
Yeah I'm pissed... Once again greed killed freedom.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Apo11on:
Hey [MENTION=8820900]Honor[/MENTION] - Xiaomi Mi Max 3 sounds very promising, with its 7" screen, 5500mAh battery, wireless and quick charging! If they also release it next month with US LTE bands, like they do most of the time - that's where you & I part ways. Call me when you stop discriminating against US, and start releasing your Notes and MediaPads in North America.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Amirk365:
That's how it's done!
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] BlueJeans:
To honor CEO

You do know that nobody outside of China wants to use that wannabe iOS EMUI, right? How about making some decent stock Android device without the cheap knock-off software? I can understand why you dodge the bootloader unlock questions but at least have some self respect man.

Thank you.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Supersad:
Dude Emui isn't a cheap iOS knockoff,it's improved a lot over the years.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Amirk365:
It still is. Alot of ANDROID functionality is still broken. Sync for example worked for a few days and never again.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mab71:
What do u mean never worked again?
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Amirk365:
It stops. Works after each security update and stops after one day again. Everytime.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mudnightoil:
Various Honor / Huawei community members / developers and XDA have said that they're working with Huawei on getting the bootloader decision reversed.

Any update?

Do I sell my P20 Pro or keep it?
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] br54:
Oneplus6 Galaxy 9

That's all I'm gonna say.
[Honor 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Marcksaf:
Honor 10 have dadicated Dac audio for improve audio quality, but it work?

I've try the audio quality with my Hi-res headphone and isn't good, moreover the volume is low.

Stereo speaker?

About camera, what sensor's it use?

My actual G6 take better photos! (it have an old sony imx258 module)

Eis... is there?

Bootloader unlock? (whitout modding the phone doesn't become popular)

Display support HDR or have DCI-P3?

Honor 10 need concrete improvements!!!

Probably OP6 is the way