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[Android Head-Units] surfer63:
Yes, We had these discussions on the old Carjoying forum as well were especially lbdroid used these arguments. And that is exactly why I don't want to compare "real live experience" with simple raw power calculations.

Until now I never saw a real comparison on CPU/GPU level, so until now everybody is actually not knowing what he/she is talking about without delivering/comparing hard numbers (and I really don't want to offend you).

And don't forget: Also Intel, Rockchip and AMD are using benchmarks to compare them: Are they really that untrustworthy then? And differences between Pentiums, Atoms, Celerons, Xeons, Core i-3/i-5/i-7 are compared with each other despite big differences in their architecture, cores, production manufacturing optimizations, power/battery optimizations, clockspeeds, burst speeds, L1/L2/L3 cache and so on.

And yes: Finally in the end it only matters whether you run a light-weight linux or a bloaty Windows 10 on some light-weight hardware, but at least you know the underlying capabilities of the hardware.

So again: I really would like to see numbers, not meanings without numbers based on gut feeling and superficial specs sheets.

I have a very technical background and only trust numbers. Theories are not more than that, until they are proven in real life or by numbers.

(It is the same with bigger or smaller fans to cool the unit. Some users say the bigger, the better. From my technical background I say those big fans in those small confined spaces are useless, but also there I don't provide the numbers, so actually I don't know and nobody else knows and is only acting on gut feeling, until somebody really does the measurements)
[Android Head-Units] gtxaspec:
That's ok, I don't ever get offended at all lol.

Isn't the "real live experience" what matters? For all we know, RK could have a bad processor design which doesn't push the cores to the intended performance specification from ARM...

So, now my question is...what is the best way to compare different processor architectures?

Aside from using "benchmarking" applications...?

I agree most companies do use benchmarks to compare, but aren't they typically within a similar or set computing architecture? Reminds me of PPC vs x86 back in the day .

Another issue that I seen is some benchmarking applications don't have native x86 libraries so on the Intel Android platform the benchmarking is run using Houdini which is an emulator and it's slow
[Android Head-Units] surfer63:
Of course that is what matters.

That is exactly why I want to know. Is the Joying FYT/SYU PX5 much slower, equal or faster than a Sofia 3GR. And if it is much slower: is it due to drivers, bad apps or the CPU? and if it is much faster, the same questions.

It is the same as saying the one car uses much more gas than the other and is much slower, until it turns out that car is pulling a caravan.

That is why I wan to know what the car does, although the real life experience might be different due to other factors.

I use Magic Earth as navigation app. I experience less optimization on Intel compared to ARM. So would it perform much better on an ARM PX5 compared to a Sofia 3GR?

After all: Android is by far the biggest and most optimized for ARM.

For that reason the PX5 could even be a much better option than the Sofia 3GR despite completely unproven arguments about being a better CPU versus "slow" A53 cores.
[Android Head-Units] R4m80:
[MENTION=2550900]surfer63[/MENTION] Now that you own both a Sofia 3GR and a PX5 unit, have you done the benchmarks? Which is better? And in your personal opinion, which one "feels" faster in everyday use?
[Android Head-Units] surfer63:
The PX5. It is definitely faster.
[MENTION=8578937]ste2002[/MENTION] asked me to do Antutu benchmarks which I did: see here.
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Hello everybody,

I’m starting this threat because I’m very angry. When I began with rooting smartphones, xda was(and still is) the best forum in the world. And do you know what was best? Everything was free. You could donate the developers, but you don’t have to. And for me, I prefer to spend a beer to a good nice hard working guy, then a must pay. Now in the new times there are some guys(funky huawei) that are making money with newbies that don’t know it better. In my opinion we should kick their asses out of xda, delete their threats and let them just have their own page. We(the members) should work together to solve our problems and help the newbies to get more knowledge. Because we should never forget, we all were new in the beginning?

In my case, debranding the mate 10 pro is not as easy as with the P10. Imei in oeminfo, after debranding the unlock code has changed, huawei closes their unlock page for our bootloader, etc. This are big problems and like I said, we should solve them together. Developers, testers and newbies; an old big xda family.

I know that some guys will hate me because of this threat, but it must be said. Thank you all for your time

Regards Marc
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] badmania98:
I agree.
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] maniekkrk:
Totally agree!
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] NiXiNiX:
Absolutely ??
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] royhanks3:
Thank you Marc for writing what most of us were thinking
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] nzzane:
100% agree.

FunkyHuawei is nothing but a scam to get newbies to pay money, and make it harder on other dev's (collaborating to better the community etc)
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] Sandy1806:
I too agree.

Funky Huawei Is Scam with cheater duaraa
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] nsic:
+1
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] Repear88:
Thank for saying that.

Totally agree !
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] twedie:
Totally agree!
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] djclark25:
Completely agree!! Been coming to XDA since the days of my first android phone, the HTC Desire HD. Then through various Samsung and Sony phones and I now have the Mate 10 pro. Never before have I been asked to pay for anything for any of those other phones. It seems that the Mate 10 is easy to brick or requires a bit more work to do things that were easy on other phones. Funky Huawei have pounced on this and found a way to unbrick it and make money rather than giving the solution out here for free like it should be done.
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] flyingjack:
What I am wondering sice quite some time, how are those guys able to offer official Huawei FW that is not officially shared by Huawei!!??

e.g. you can easily instal FW (C141) with April Security patch while official FW is still on March....:confused::confused::confused:

Is FunkyHuawei part of Huawei's business model, selling FW to desperate users that are tired to wait for an OTA....and making additional money?!

In addition why is the FunkyHuawei FW approved for installation while the one you get through Firmware Finder isn't......strange.....
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] Jindivik:
completely agree
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] nicogri:
[MENTION=6332568]Coredown[/MENTION], I understand what you are trying to say but I totally disagree with you !!!

To put some background before I begin... I consider myself a "poweruser", I am a senior member here and owned a big bunch of android devices from lots of makers and Windows mobile devices before...

During all this years I did some weard stuff (like editing a sdcard with hexa to make it goldcard, wiretrick htc, I even put my wife G3 in a hoven for the soldering issue) so no newbie here (you can check my posts history).

And guess what, for my mate 10 pro I choose to pay FH to rebrand and flash... Why ?

I could have gone thrue the painfull process of manual BL unlock and flash and work and work and flash as I did for my other phones and tablet (yeah I still use my Touchpad) and watches...

FH proposed me a fast, safe, reliable way to rebrand with big chances of not voiding warranty (anyway they need to prove it if the phone got something wrong (it is not registred at Huawei as unlock).

OK they are making money with it but I am sure they are working a lot to develop stuff and hosting servers and maintaining it and also support users.

So what's the big deal ??? I don't see the problem as it is one of the options proposed here and everyone from newbie to advance user can choose the method he prefers

And I don't see why they should be banned ? You think like if they where banned it will stop exist and you'll feel better ?

Does it hurt your feeling knowing that some people (including me) can sometimes pay to save some time and avoid some troubles ?

It is sure that I would have rather the same FH solution for free if it has been available but world ain't perfect.

I am no developper but if you are feel free to develop your own free tool for huawei and distribute it and ask for donations... Then FH will loose all their newbies customers and go out of business and you'll be like king here ;)

Don't take it the wrong way I just don't like the all "I don't like that so we should ban them"
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] JoshuaLintag:
D'accord! I totally agree with him.

Just because FunkyHuawei is a paid service it doesn't mean you should hate it.

I can't afford it so I'll find other ways to fix my device. Shouldn't that be a good motivation to start learning how to use developer tools? :)
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] klopeck:
if you do not like funkyhueawei do not use it
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] jaseman:
I understand both sides of the argument....who doesn't like "free" help, and software? But I also believe that much of what many expect takes a great deal of time and effort...not to mention knowledge of how things work. If the people at Funky rely on their services to put food on the table, and pay their mortgage, then more power to them! I know it can be frustrating knowing there's an answer to your problem available, but you have to pay for it, and maybe you can't afford it...but if that's the case then maybe you shouldn't tinker with what you don't understand without the knowledge to fix it for free! I work in IT. I produce nothing tangible. I get paid for my knowledge. I see no problem that Funky wants to get paid for their knowledge. If someone else can do what they do and provide it all for free, then go for it!
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] n1ck75:
I feel its against the ethics/spirit of XDA, but good on them if they're making money off the back of it.

What usually happens (used to be with carrier unlocking), the non free tools tend to have a short shelf life as more and more free tools arrive
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] Pretoriano80:
It's amazing how some people defend FH without even knowing what's really behind this "business".

People talking about FH being paid for knowledge... selling software/firmware that's not your intelectual property and you got for free it's sometimes calked steeling.

Using other people work without giving at least credits to the original developers/owners is also a nice example of good ethics.

Storing your personal data/files on their server without asking permission or advise users it's a shady behavior.

FH reporting people for copyright violations when they shared a firmware for free on XDA , just because people behind FH are too greedy to accept that a firmware is out without users paying 10 euro for it. And for a firmware that's not even their intelectual property.Well,you can share what they are steeling, that's their ethics. So, XDA is not about sharing anymore?

I find all this strange, because if a developer, which really used his knowledge to develop an app, advertise his work on XDA will get warned and his thread will be closed after a few hours, but not Funky, no, he's special.
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] vrgolin:
I agree
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] nicogri:
It was my understanding (maybe wrong) that FH has been "contained" to only one topic here on XDA and he cannot advertise or else in other topics... sounds good to me because as I said their product is working and offer an option to those who want's to modify their devices without headakes.

And I am so glad I could change my BLA L09 mono SIM to a dual SIM L29 due to greedy Orange who ship phones mutilated because they don't want you to have an other carrier for your personnal or work number !!!

The debate about steeling is an other matter... what do you think for example of samfirmware which host copyrighted samsung firmware and make money with ad and paid accounts for bandwith.

I think FH doesn't sell the firmwares itself but the hosting and services to flash and I am not aware of their level of involvment with Huawei and the money they are making out of it and for me it doesn't matter when it stay as an option here.

As I say I will be happy if someone could reverse ingeneered their method an post it for free (as long as it will not be deleted)
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Thank you for all your replies. Good to see that there are also satisfied FH Users, because a discussion needs pros and cons.

"I feel its against the ethics/spirit of XDA" are the right words, that is what i was trying to say, thank you!

Ok, be banned was maybe to hard, but the way they are doing their buisiness is what the people don't like. Just two examples:

1. They had to tell the people that the imei is also in the Oeminfo on the Mate 10 and the unlock code changes after debranding. Because after debranding you won't be able to relock or unlock again. Answer from FH: go to DC Unlocker, pay 4$ and you are good to go. They have to take care about it!

2. A very friendly user shared a beta firmware for the Mate 10 pro through Mega, that he found somewhere in the www. FH contacted Mega complained about the copyright. Now it's down. Perfect!

I'm really sorry, but this things are a big no go. And you can read so much stuff in all the threats here. Making Money with the stuff you do and offer is one point, the way you do it another point.

Anyway every opinion and view is very welcome, because we all got freedom of speech. And thats the way it should be!
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] nicogri:
Yeah Coredown glad to read all of your new post !

The first one was a little bit of "FH is witch to the stake" and all the others coments where "yeah lets burn them" ^^

So now , yes, there is the service itself, and there is the integration in the community and the behavior... IF there is stuff hapening with FH preventing users to get free solutions to force to the paid option it's not something that must be accepted by the folks rulling XDA, if XDA accept FH, FH must accept free tools to exist and be shared.

I think thoses stories of Mega and so must be worked out by the people who really know the subject here and not by us simple members who only have a small view of the bigger picture.
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] WaxysDargle:
i can understand the OP sentiment, but i disagree.

FH is providing a service in the way a service should be provided. to get support on this level for processes that are normally completely frowned upon by other manufacturers is unheard of. their pricing is a big high, but ultimately their product is great and the service provided via email is unmatched. i get answers within 5 minutes every time.

i'll add that the forums here have been most unhelpful for me, to a degree i've never seen on XDA, and i've owned many, many devices. i bought this device knowing i would need to rebrand, which put me off a bit. when i found that it was officially supported rebranding it changed my whole outlook. FH helped me rebrand, root and they've even helped me out with flashing Treble ROMs.

bottom line... i do think it's a bit overpriced, but the service is excellent. when was the last time any manufacturer helped provide services for unbricking, rebranding and rooting?
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] nicogri:
The interesting thing to know will be, is FH kind of relative to Huawei in any sort ??? I don't think so because the name is kind of Funky so it is not very corporate but they must be involved in some way not to be taken down for copyright infrigment and master all Huawei devices.
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] bRkiX:
would not agree....

you totaly dont need to use funkyhuawei...

i am here from times of htc hd2... rooted modified and bricked then restored abot 20 different phones... and used xda to root family and friends maybe 50 phones or more...

here comes mate 10 (not pro not lite)....

there are maybe 10 people that bought this phone... rooting instructions are worst.... there are so many variations of this device.. it is absolutely crazy...

there is absolutely no way that firsr time rooter would not brick this phone..

i bricked it... took me 48 hours ti figure out... through various trials and errors to make it barely work again...

there is no twrp... magisk barely works... xposed no way...

i am dude 41 years old.. having small company and two kids... what i dont have any more is time... free time to screw around with stuput and idiotic safety measures huawei implanted..

if i ever buy mate20 i will gladly pay .. wahtever sum.. to somebody to bootloader unlock and root this phone....

so i support efforts of durraa

in mater afact. mif there were no funkyhuawei support.. for sure i would not buy mate 10..

i didnt need it but it presented safety if all things wet wrong

blame huawei not durraa

on bright note... phone all set up.. best phone ever

i even got themes working after root (whats up with that huawei??)
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] nicogri:
A colleague of mine bought a p20 lite which as been mutilated by / for orange to make it single SIM (01 variant).

Anyway nothing at all on dedicated topic to unlock rebrand and all.

I ask duraa their plan for p20 lite and he told me no support for the moment and no eta or even guarantee...

Guess what my colleague turn his phone back to Orange and he will buy a dual sim out of carrier or a FH supported phone.

Envoyé de mon BLA-L29 en utilisant Tapatalk
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] ums1405:
I've always thought that FH and Dc-unlocker staff where faceless and cunning Huawei staff trying to make an extra buck., as they are the only ones that have a 'backdoor' method for unlocking 'FRP locked' bootloaders etc. Logically, backdoors would be put in place by the very people who make the software/hardware. Maybe that's why Trump and his minions are on Huawei's case, if they can employ the use of 'backdoors' on commercial retail devices then who knows what else is happening behind the scene on their devices with out your knowledge.

All in all, as per FH it's all Capitalism at its best.....whichever side of the fence your on!
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] nzzane:
For other phone there are free alternatives (Sony has flashtool which lets you do anything and everything with ease, BL ulock, rebrand, root, download firmwares etc etc.) oh and did i mention its free with an option to donate - and it has been updated and still supports the earliest sony devices and the latest.

If you need help thats what XDA forums is for, not some paid service. XDA is based of free and open source

Just saying...

Rule 11:

11. Don’t post with the intention of selling something.
Don’t use XDA to advertise your product or service. Proprietors of for-pay products or services, may use XDA to get feedback, provide beta access, or a free version of their product for XDA users and to offer support, but not to post with the intention of selling. This includes promoting sites similar / substantially similar to XDA-Developers.com.
Do not post press releases, announcements, links to trial software or commercial services, unless you’re posting an exclusive release for XDA-Developers.com.
Encouraging members to participate in forum activities on other phone related sites is prohibited.
Off-site downloads are permitted if the site is non-commercial and does not require registration.
Off-site downloads from sites requiring registration are NOT encouraged but may be permitted if both of the following conditions are met:
A) The site belongs to a member of XDA-Developers with at least 1500 posts and 2 years membership, who actively maintains an XDA-Developers support thread(s) / posts, related to the download.
B) The site is a relatively small, personal website without commercial advertising / links (i.e. not a competitor forum-based site with purposes and aims similar to those of XDA-Developers.com.)
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] ums1405:
Imagine if Sony updated the Z2 (D6503) as a one off, I mean with more RAM, a QHD screen and a SD845 chip........
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] jasonpantuliano:
You people are missing the point of the thread. No one is saying funky huawei is a bad thing. But they are somehow allowed to break XDA rules and sell their info/hacks on XDA. I dont care if they were given one thread to contain it in. You are not allowed to advertise paid service in xda forums. Matter of fact you not only are you not allowed to sell on XDA but you cant even post roms and kernels without a link to its source. Ive seen rom threads shut down with no source links many times. Anyone of you even Devs and Senior members try to post a thread that even links to a paid service and it will be closed in less than 12 hours. Seems XDA may have sold out. There are links in funky's thread that point to his pay site. I know this because i used it to fix this phone. First time I ever paid for anything android rooting and romming related since ive been here which has been since the Motorola OG DROID. Ive honestly had close to 100 android phones since the beginning and couple of dozen tablets, wearables, android tv, etc... Never would of paid for it but im new to Huawei and its pretty convenient only one group is smart enough to mod and fix huaweis newer devices. Really. Doubtful. if you ask me. This is a nice phone but my last. I do not trust Huawei. But im going off topic as the BOTTOM LINE IS ADVERTISING OF PAID SERVICES ON XDA WILL USUALLY LEAD TO PERMANENT BANNING AND ALWAYS A MINIMUM OF THREADS BEING TAKEN DOWN. So why can they do it and we cant. Its against XDA rules. I dont want funky huawei to go away. I may need them again. I just dont want them advertising and selling they're services on XDA because if they can then we all should be able to and their goes XDA down the corporate greed sell out route if that happens. Seems they already took that route but only to people that pay them enough like Huawei i mean Funky Huawei which if you used their services and dug deep while connected you can see that they under the umbrella of a larger holding company. cough cough. You honestly think some android modders/hackers could scare a company like Mega to take something down unless they were actually the true copyright holder of said files. Well they would have to show proof. You can figure the rest out i hope. AGAIN I dont want them to go away. Just want them off xda unless all they post is free with source with absolutely no links to they're pay services. When there are rules all are supposed to follow. I love capitalism. If I were them i would be selling this service too but would of never even tried to advertise on xda because I know the rules. Sorry.

JUST NOTICED SOMEONES POST BEFORE MINE ABOUT WITH ACTUAL QUOTE OF XDA RULES. HE GETS THE POINT. THEIR THREAD NEEDS TO GO AWAY IF ADVERISING PAID SERVICE
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] Goku80:
Okay. Well all am going to say this. Is it not time for one of the senior mods on XDA to give us an explanation as to why they are allowing this to happen as a one off then? Why they are going against there own rules and regulations by allowing this then? They have there rules as rule 11 but here we are with someone breaking that rule and XDA are still allowing that. So I feel an explanation is warranted to us.