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[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] neflictus:
There seems to be a manual for Huawei users.

Never encountered these issues on a lg, Samsung, iPhone, htc or a one plus phone.

auto mode, bang, awesome photos.

Not with huawei.

Using a 27 inch monitor.

Lots of users complaining. There is always that one guy who says you’re using it wrong.

They just failed with the software.

I can’t be bothered to use the pro mode for a quick shot.fix your software.

Yeah, I get 2 or 3 good shots.

But I also get 10 thAt are useless.

That’s bad man.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
crappy connection, double posted
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
Maybe you are right,

i saw a lot of complaint from common smartphone users indeed,

but am also not surprised that the one who appreciate this phone mostly are seasoned photographers, or one who are used to with mirrorless and SLR camera.

i never encounter issue with other phone either,

but i wont be able to take that shot using iPhone nor LG nor Samsung nor LG as well,

so, can't complaint much. This phone allow me to do what i can't do with others.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] neflictus:
Guys who are using DSLR’s can’t possibly like this phone. Let’s keep it real.

The photos are mostly fake. Everything looks like it has a filter.

It’s nice to see that my comments were erased.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
Thats the reality though, you can check reviews around,

photographers who use SLR like the cam because it has pro mode with setting resemble their slr/mirorless setting , and the phone do a good nightshot without tripod which is almost impossible with a normal slr/mirorless cam,

but again, its all about taste and subjectivity. And i can't be sure what kind of photos are considered good for you.

Which comment is erased btw ? Only mod can do that :eek:
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] redeleon:
Nah, I've been in the photography industry for years now, handled DSLRs, Film Cameras and Mirrorless for professional work.

Although the software has some quirks, and the implementation is not perfect, the RAW 40MP files are great for a smartphone camera with a sensor size this small.

Raw 40MP has that annoying shutter lag, but if you get the hang of it you're pretty much fine BUT it should be addressed by Huawei sinve there are spontaneous moments that you can potentially miss because of this.

The smartphone camera (RAW 40MP) inages are good that it is my secondary camera for street photography and documentaries.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] neflictus:
You're making me laugh man.

The LG G4 had manual settings, and that was a great camera phone. Yeah, it takes great night photos (with lots of noise I might add), but insert a moving object and it's all gone to ****.

Usability: 0.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Netsoft:
Yup. The Phone P20/Pro sucks. So just sell it and move on. Lmao

Personally, I love the phone camera. It's good enough for me. I don't really want to go technical with phone cameras since that's an area reserved for SLRs where small details are important. To expect a miracle from phone cam is too much.

Snap, store and share. Good for Facebook/blogs.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] buxz777:
The only good images in really seeing is night mode shots of static buildings or is it just me?
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] jj03:
So much wrong with your statement. It would take me a while to correct your stupidity.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] jester182:
Hilarious to hear so many keyboard commanders complaining about the camera. No one drives a Toyota Camry and expects it to behave like a Lamborghini, so why would a camera phone be any different. You simply can't compare the P20 to an slr. Sure, there may be some simularities, but they can never be compared as equals. I myself, think that it's great for what it is, and with little bit of adjustment you can capture some really nice photos.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] jad_777:
I upgrade from samsung note 4 to Huawei P20 Pro, and yes i disappointed with its 3 cameras, concerning macro shots its bad, its very hard to get good clear macro images.

In photo mode i can't zoom too much like note 4, regular photos are blury, i'm not sure if its software issue.

Also i didn't like the fact that you can't set different ringtones for different apps. Thats also annoying thing.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] neflictus:
Sorry FOR trashing your phone.

The truth usually stings and your feelings are hurt.

But I can see the future.

You will recover after buying a phone from a manufacturer who gives a crap about software, support and customer satisfaction.

One who doesn’t use marketing to lie about its hardware and software.

How about that 4K stabilization ?

Is it here yet ?

Wish you all the best.

Evolution wouldn’t be possible without stupid people.

See ? I’m useful already.

What’s your purpose internet keyboard warrior ?

[MENTION=2452028]jester182[/MENTION] The initial conversation was about camera phone amongst camera phones. Compared to some phones the camera is lacking.

Some guy mentioned the phone is DSLR godlike.

I think the pocket now review describes this phones’s camera in the most accurate way possible.

Lacking and gimmicky.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
The P20 Pro still has the best zoom function. The most detail using 40mp in bright light. The best night time shots. 1080p stabilisation is fine. 4k can be stabilised afterwards. But the 4k is the main complaint, followed by some people who want a better FFC, followed by those who want better slow motion.

And the phone still has an awesome display, brilliant dual speakers, lightning fast fingerprint and face unlock, longest lasting battery and low on contract prices. A unique stunning design and high storage capacity. Infra red remote. The camera and all the things mentioned above make this device a no brainer.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
Just let it be my friend, no point in arguing any longer

they wont get the fact, that

"Supercar is not for common cab driver"

they wont be able to drive it to its maximum potential :)
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Willemstadt:
Just coming in on the end of this thread. I've had my P20 for about 6 weeks. I have an Olympus Pen F and a Fuji X70 for when I want to carry the heavier stuff around. When I first got my P20 I was a bit dismayed at the AI interference especially on greenery and foliage. But after 6 weeks a couple of updates I am well impressed. I did nearly return it at one point but so glad I didn't. I have spent hours comparing the P20 to the Pixel 2 is the odd occasion where the Pixel produces the nicer shot but there are hands down so many where the P20 excels. Once you get use the flexibility of the P20 it is pretty damn good and I have taken some incredibly good photos. I am also starting to wonder whether "machine learning" is playing a part in the processing improvement as my pics compared to 6 weeks ago are definitely much improved. The auto Hdr when it kicks in (even when AI is turned off) is very good and without a doubt exceeds the Pixel I low light and strong back light. The zoom 3x 5x are extremely good and the black and white detail is stunning. I have no complaints and on top of that it's a very good phone too - display (that you can see in strong sunlight unlike the pixel) is extremely good for non Quad HD, the battery life is exceptional and i find the performance lightning fast and 100% reliable. The Huawei skin is not too intrusive and it doesn't have Siri or Bixby!
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] redeleon:
Glad to see an Oly shooter here, I'm also using an EM1 II and an EM5II, we bith experienced the same disappointments at first, but a few days later when I challenged myself to only use the p20 pro for street shooting, it did impressed me
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
Hello fella,

Am might not be as active as how i was, but i used to shoot using E-500, E-510, the old "Tank" E-3 and first generation PEN for both works and hobby,

So, glad to see olympian around :victory:
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] dasebasto:
Yep, the camera has serious issues

I have spent hours watching reviews and photo comparisons before recently buying the P20 Pro.

So I already knew that the Pixel 2 was a better choice for me, but it's not sold here in France and I needed a quick replacement for my deceased Nexus 5X.

I have only had the phone for a week, but it's clear it has issues making beautiful photos of people (my old Nexus 5X was actually better than this in good light).

I still need to make a comparison of all modes to determine if one gives correct results.

I'll post this here if I find the time.

Attached is an example of how ugly shots can get (100% crop). The sweater texture makes it look like it's in terrible state whereas it's not!

edit: attachment seems broken, here's the pic: https://i.imgur.com/DtE7tH0.jpg
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
Do you have some side by side comparisons with the 5x? In my opinion, the 6P and 5X were the cameras where Google plateaued. Meaning, their later cameras produced nearly the exact same result as this benchmark set by the last of the Nexus series. That's how good they were. I still have my 6P and Google Pixel 1XL and I will say that they are as good as any 2018 flagship.

The Huawei is just as good in my opinion, but they excel in telephoto zoom, which I always needed and now I use a lot, plus low light photography.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
That picture quality is horrible. Are you using zoom ? That picture looks like if i was using more than 5x zoom. :eek:

It's miss focus as well. Focus seems like on the BG part of the image
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
I rarely take a picture of people, i prefer still life, landscape and archi,

but here one of the low light sample shot, and an extreme crop of it,

not to shabby for my personal opinion

full size image (EDIT : Hires only. i forgot that Google photos compress image, except on Pixel phone) can be seen : https://photos.app.goo.gl/XucmKmerzewmMYH69
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
https://www.androidauthority.com/ai-camera-lg-v30s-vs-huawei-p20-pro-vs-google-pixel-2-895743/

The effectiveness of AI, or lack of it.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Le_Petit_Lapin:
No, I love the camera, I just wish I could tune the AI in automatic modes, its a bit over the top in terms of saturation.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] gordinflas:
I had got a p10 plus and it suffered issues with raw format until and update b201 solved it and transformed raw pictures upside down. B201 made raws look spectacular. After upgrading to oreo raws and camera in general got awful again.

So, at some point Huawei fix camera but it seems that further upgrades may **** camera again.

Lets hope they released a good camera update son.

Also, I suggested Huawei to allow they phone to shoot both cameras simultaneously and save both pictures in raw format to edit them later in photoshop but it seems they didn't take account this request in the p20.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Simion Catalin:
i don`t get how the hell so many of you keep saying that the camera takes amazing photos when in a topic called "Who else is disappointed in the camera?" are 15 pages with over 100 comments ...i mean is ****ing clear that this amazing camera is not that good...let`s be real here...
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] sniper20:
Because the camera takes amazing photos and here you have only 100 posts saying the opposite. Look around you, the net is FULL of fantastic photos from p20 pro (Facebook has dedicated groups who post them and you can admire them, also in here we have such a topic) . Obviously you can't have them all satisfied. Look at the big picture, not a small percentage of users. (here you have only 100 posts which are all based on each and every users personal opinion, and in the "fantastic photos topic you have 900 posts of fantastic photos as proof. Do the maths)
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Fille84:
Are you for real?
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
Its because the thread itself cant be real to begin with. Lol

Something closer to reality might be : "who else is terrible in photography ? can we learn together ?" :)
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] mwboost:
I sold my P20 pro. There were times where i just wanted to point and shoot but it didn't give the result I wanted. Either the dynamic range was way off or it was way too sharp to the point the photo looked too busy I guess you could say. . Also in hdr or when it did it's sharpening thing on a few indoor shots it left weird patchy greenish and purple hues in dark areas. Also sometimes with that there'd be a weird texture of lines and stuff over that darker part of the photo.

After a few months of testing between our S9+, my 2XL and the P20 pro the 2Xl was best for me. Though it sucks there's no extra/manual camera features. Too much smoothing in night or low light shots on the pro where the 2xl would hold the details. Noise isn't even that bad on my pixel. Anyways see what the next series of phones bring to he table.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] koi8ru:
In my experience, the stock camera on P20 Pro is mostly unusable. As someone already mentioned earlier, taking good macro shots with it is an impossible task. The picture looks sharp on the preview screen, but the final result is always blurry and out-of-focus. This is due to the phone trying to use both the RGB and monochrome lenses to focus on the subject at the same time, despite the significant discrepancy between them. The same is true, albeit to a smaller degree, for the portrait and landscape modes. The solution is to use a third-party camera app which only uses one of the lenses (primarily, the 40MP RGB one) to take the picture. I have tried Adobe Lightroom Camera, Lumio Cam, Open Camera, Camera MX, Camera FV-5, Camera Zoom FX, Bacon Camera and Footej Camera. Based on my tests, Adobe Lightroom camera app achieves the best picture quality overall. It also offers a very useful manual focus slider in pro mode. Lumio Cam is a close second and the only one to support 30fps/40Mbps 4K video recording.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] jazsta123:
Like many others, I have to agree the auto AI mode is often over saturated, and you can achieve better results manually. Still I'm overall happy with the camera, photo attached from a sunny day in Auto mode with AI enabled[IMG=""]https://ibb.co/dbPVnU[/IMG], (https:// ibb.co/dbPVnU)
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] neflictus:
Hehe. So funny to see people content with their Chinese, goofy, full of cheap effects photos taken with the P20 Pro.

Bashing on others for not not being a good photographer.

Sounds like apple.

You’re using it wrong.

The camera just sucks. It’s that simple.

Huawei needs to fix the damn software.

Cause it’a crap.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] buxz777:
Put it in 40mp mode... Use pro mode.... Great photos

Huawei can mess up the processing so don't use pixel binning 10mp mode, turn Ai off, don't use auto mode this eliminates 99%v off the ****e processing

All you do is open the camera select Pro with one tap, it's still full auto mode ie you point it focuses and exposes the scene but you can change the settings on the fly
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] baoli:
A little disappointed. I'm upgrading from a Lumia 1020 and the photos just aren't as detailed... however, the 1020 isn't better to the point where I'll keep using a Windows phone. Hopefully Nokia will release a 40MP+ phone again soon.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] kabirjedi:
just palacebo,,,,Dynamic, details, colors better on P20pro
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] neflictus:
Yeah man. how dare you ?

The guy is literarily saying the photos from the p20 pro aren’t as detailed and another one comes up and says the p20 pro has more detailed photos.

Probably he doesn’t even own the Lumia.

Huawei fanboys.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] buxz777:
I've owned both and the Nokia 808 I used to be a Nokia guru on a website

The p20 Pro can go head to head with the lumia 1020 and beat it in most situations and it will lose to the Nokia 808 in some situations and beat it in others I mean the 808 doesn't have manual controls or raw and is limited to a 2.7s exposure however it does have great oversampling and xenon flash and its output is still quite amazing for a 2012 symbian camera phone running on that crappy cpu (thank god for the broadcom imaging chip)

The Huawei takes great pictures if you eliminate the processing ie use 40mp mode for details and to eliminate the pixel binning which isn't as effective as pureview oversampling

You need to also shoot in Pro mode, I don't know why but I find it does not process the files as much as auto, it's still fully automatic and exposes for the scene but you can also change the settings on the fly

The hardware is fine, it's the software that can mess the photos up so eliminate the software as much as possible

The lumia 1020 sensor is only a fraction bigger but the lens is slower, it does have ois on the sensor but it's not going to make a difference unless your using slow shutter speeds

Physics will tell you that the p20 Pro can keep up with the 1020 and it does easily, just not in 10mp mode, not in automatic mode or with Ai turned off

Is the p20 Pro perfect... Not in a million years.... Is it capable of taking great photos in its current form... Yes it is

You can argue all you want, call people fan boys, fact is the p20 Pro is capable of capturing great photos with lots of detail but the software needs lots of work... Sometimes it feels like a beta product in the camera department because the software can be that bad.... So eliminate as much as the software as possible ✌️
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
He's just salty that professional camera reviewers gave the P20 Pro the highest score ever recorded, because you know...cheap goofy Chinese tricks! How dare they?! They probably got paid by Huawei.

He's likely a Sammy troll. Don't pay too much attention to him.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Oreodomino:
Good hardware, horrible software. 3x zoom unusable. Forced to use 40mp mode, which incidentally removes the use of the zoom lens so meh
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] neflictus:
Owned the P20 Pro. The camera was garbage in my opinion.

Professional reviewers ?

Haha.

Dxomark are paid mercenaries.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
Sure, Dxomark is mercenaries. Their review is laughable, i cant agree more. Even GSMArena do better job than them.

So, If you want honest review of this phone camera, go here : https://xdaforums.com/huawei-p20-pro/how-to/photos-huawei-p20-pro-share-fantastic-t3774488/page86

They might not be professional photographers. But, maybe,

unlike you,

They know how to use their phone camera. Or at least, they did it better,

than you. :)

Because what this thread lacking, is

the bad pictures you people talk about,

While the other thread, do it the other way round,

They provide the good pictures, even in full size,

So,

How should we believe you, when you are all talk. am sorry, i mean, troll.

When we can find better fact/proof somewhere else. :)
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] neflictus:
I suggest you read the comments on that particular review.

Users are calling them out for lying, manipulating the truth, showcasing examples of how bad the camera is etc.

Even the photos used in the review are bad compared to the Pixel and iPhone X.

The ultimate stop for the typical fanboy: you don't know how to use it.

Trust me, I know how to use a camera, manual controls included.

The camera is just bad. And it's a bad thing too cause the hardware is all there.

But the software is severly lacking. And I don't know if you are aware of this. When talking about photo quality, the software is the hardest to get right.

If I want to apply cheap effects, I can use any chinese photo editing app.

I don't need it straight from the camera.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
Where's my tin foil hat?

---------- Post added at 08:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:37 AM ----------

Hahaha nearly all reviews rated the P20 Pro highly if not concluding that it was better than its rivals in all the important areas. I guess they all got paid. LMAO! First stop for X phone fanbois, claim the phone that is better than theirs is paying everyone to give them good reviews. That old chestnut...

Let's be real, the P20 Pro has terrible image stabilization in 4k. Some have complained about the FFC too, which I actually like. But that doesn't detract from the fact it has superb HDR, the most detail produced by any phone (bar maybe the Pureview phones) using 40mp in good lighting, flagship beating bokeh effects, the best zoom capability and the best low light capability. This is still true despite the arrival of newer models from rivals.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] neflictus:
That’s your take on it.

I had the phone and the pictures all smelled Chinese to me.

Cheap makeup.

Detailed ? Haha

Good HDR? Double haha.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
Let these guys laugh, people,

i'll just repeat it again,

Do they provide any bad example here ? No

Do others provide good pictures example in the other thread ? Yes, even with detail info of the setting used (apperture, speed, iso, mode, supporting tools - like tripod, etc)

So,

People can have opinion indeed. With good arguments and proof, that opinion can become fact or truth.

With just words ? In some other part of the world, thats called : troll. or even worse, BS

No proof,

No business. No problem.

It's that simple. :)
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] all the pugs:
Well. I‘m a professional photographer and I have taken some really awesome pictures with it. I have also taken some really horrible shots with the device ;)

The software processing can be a hit or miss, there is a thin line between a sharp and brillant image and an oversharpened, messy and oversaturated one. Not always the P20 Pro is on the spot. But there is a lot it does right. The auto HDR is quite well done! However, I wish it would be closer to the old lumia devices, quality wise. it could be close if the overprocessing would be reduced. Overall, still providing very useable results.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
Your uncorroborated claims? Triple hahaha
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] gd6noob:
Just in here for the laugh..

Chances are people who come into other phone section and start **** coz

1 - they have no life

2 - they dont have the phone because they are bored and have no life.

3 - they have no life

All his claims are "doesnt provide details" blah blah but nothing to back that up... a lot of sites, not just DXOMark rates the P20 Pro as one of the top. I can agree that its not the best and that there can be things that need attention too but in the end I do like.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Netsoft:
We're still here with the same person? Just don't feed the troll. Whatever floats the boat man.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] BaconTrousers:
Personally I'm not that impressed with the phone and camera setup . Yes one lens is undeniably good but the other two I would never really use and although I have taken some great pictures with it I can't help feeling the S9+ would be just as good. Also the S9+ as a phone is much better than the P20 Pro and as I bought my handset used I'm kicking myself that I didn't buy the S9+ which was around the same price.