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[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
Oneplus 3/t users who have tried either Havoc Pie or Nitrogen or both, please share your experiences and preference. You can also share about PE for readers, but personally I am not interested in pixel experience. If I wanted the "pixel experience" I would have bought a pixel device.
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] Pablo.x:
I'm on NOS Pie since the 2nd build and it's amazing, so fast, smooth, very very battery friendly (I would say like Oreo or even better) and looks really great with the new animations and recents.

The only thing I miss is the lack of customization compared to Oreo's build, but they're coming little by little.

Totally worth at least to try!
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] DrUnknownEMC:
Is encrypted working? Or do we have wait for new firmware?
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] william_lie:
I just flashed Havoc about half a day now.

Everything is smooth & fluid, haven't encounter any significant bugs so far.

Battery life:

Active 10-12%

Idle 1-2%

This stat without any tweaks, not even personal kernel management, i'm using it just the way it is.

Overall, worth to try.

I tried PE before, but as you said, it is just like a pixel, no customization at all.
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] Pablo.x:
No, is not working, and AFAIK, it won't be working as it did until OOS releases P.

This is due to from now on, encrypting will be by software (in spite of not being implemented on NOS).

So if you want to give it a try you may decrypt your data partition before installing it.

There's also a script to disable encryption on fstab but I think that's just for prevent encryption while flashing.

So, tl;dr: decrypt data before flashing NOS Pie. :)
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
Everything I've read says Pie for 3/3t specifically must be released before encryption can be available for custom roms. Most people believe that will happen in mid-September, so we may be getting close.
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
My recollection that nitrogen Oreo was released almost immediately with oos oreo and most features added quickly over just a few weeks. It took about a month for nos to be most stable with most relevant features for Oreo. So I expect nitrogen pie to be similar. Xyyx VERY good dev
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
Where to find force doze now
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] :
https://androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=57989&sort_by=date&sort_dir=DESC ;)
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] Ihe87:
Hi,

did you managed push service for WhatsApp in microG?

I got google Cloud messaging working with other Apps but no chance with WhatsApp...

Can you helping me here?

I'm on Omnidragon Oneplus 3T.

Thanks in advance.
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] :
I am on GZOSP which is a rom which does not support spoofing by default.

That's also the reason I did not try MicroG already.

I am waiting for the new Pie versions of Omni and OmniDragon to see if I can get it work, although it is not an issue for me at the moment.

Unfortunately herewith the answer is no.... I did not manage to get it working already because I did not try... ;)
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] DrUnknownEMC:
I would personally love to turn delete my google account but I just found it easier to not store personal stuff on it. Google drive is still the fastest way to share files and especially google doc when doing group projects.

I already not using google photo to backup my photos instead my personal server but I still have to use the app for photo sharing as it much easier to share bulk videos/photo to clients or from friends the family etc. As for contact syncing I'm using my own server with WebDAV. Still using default messager/Snapchat/Instagram as these are still themeable and switching to third either have **** ui or missing features. As for mail, I brought nine a few years for my mail client and it has been great, still have a few Gmail account for shopping/website signups and stuff which I don't really care much about but majority service with payments details or personal information has been switch to my own email service as these don't get spamed with promotion and I don't need much space for them and hate deleting emails lmao.

I found after a few tweak GMS has less alarm wake compare to messenger and I'm pretty happy with idle drain. Also it going be quite hard for me to switch to different music service such as Google Play music especially my mobile plans as unlimited music streaming...
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
If you haven't tried Textra for messaging, I would highly recommend it. As far as interface goes, you can make it anything you like, with tons of customization, too many to name here. And it doesn't use any of my battery. Developers are incredibly helpful as well.

No lack of features, that's for sure
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] DrUnknownEMC:
I'm currently using silence, for encrypted based SMS messaging. It not too shabby but not much customisation.
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
My first taste of Pie, and I must admit, it is delicious
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] Halamadrid:
Nitrogen or havoc?

I have tried both. And i can say. Performance in pie is much much better than oreo. ?
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
Team Xtended!

Mady and Superdroidbond
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] Halamadrid:
Howwwww? ? ?
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
Had to buy them all a bottle of their favorite alcohol! Don't worry, it will be out soon.

That is a joke, btw
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] Halamadrid:
Lol. Okay.
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] :
In between Oreo and Pie I did some testing on tweaking or not.

I tried it with GZOSP in combination with Casium kernel and Spasillium kernel and without any Google services, MicroG or whatever.

Situation 1:

Using Holy Dragon Kernel Auditor for settings like optimised queues, GPU powersave governor, cubic etc..

Using AppOpsX to prevent apps to get the phone out of sleep (disabled it for all apps);

Using ForceDoze to get phone in deep sleep immediately after turning off screen.

Situation 2:

Deleted at-start settings of Kernel Auditor and removed it afterwards, so kernel is using it's own settings;

Reset to default for all per-app permissions in AppOpsX, after that, removed AppOpsX so default permissions are used;

Still using ForceDoze to get phone in deep sleep immediately after turning off screen.

And now the nice part; I did not see any difference!!

Over night the drain is still <1% (Not noticeable), during the day I see no difference either....

Conclusion;

A lot of tweaking is not necessary to improve drain, just ForceDoze to get deep sleep immediately is enough.

In the past I also tried without ForceDoze, but Motion Detection is keeping the phone out of deep sleep then, which is giving noticeable more drain.

Good to know for my next (Pie) install :good:
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
I am testing Xtended Pie build with Mady test kernel with no tweaks whatsoever. I am getting 0.3% idle drain. No greenify, appops, force doze, anything else. Active drain is 10-11%. Remind you, no tweaks, meaning governor is stock, frequencies stock, etc. I AM looking forward to testing Pie with the various kernels, stock settings, tweaks etc to see how the difference compares. [MENTION=8175708]Jan_L[/MENTION], lack of any google services is treating you well! Not sure I am ready for that transition yet, unfortunately.
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Tomorrow posted on Telegram to see if I can test Pie from MSM also....will see.

Without Google does have the disadvantage of push messages missing, further no issues at all.

In your case (Google games, storage etc..) I would not recommend the switch, or you must be wiling to have a phone without those features.

Pie seems to be very good from what I read and hear. Low drain, very smooth and speedy.

You do have perfect results also as it seems :good:
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
[MENTION=8175708]Jan_L[/MENTION]
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
damn close to public release
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] AndreiVolk:
Do you know if the public release will support encryption or we have to decrypt like on all pie roms ? I'm waiting for that to make the switch :laugh:
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
decrypt. there has to be a oxygen pie build for oneplus 3/3t before encryption is possible unless i am mistaken

Edit : I am mistaken? https://xdaforums.com/oneplus-3t/how-to/info-list-oreo-roms-kernels-available-3-t3688139/page267
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
https://xdaforums.com/oneplus-3t/how-to/info-list-oreo-roms-kernels-available-3-t3688139/page267
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] phoberus:
Did you compare different doze modes? Like greenifys aggressive doze, forcedoze, naptime, l speed and oneplus' aggressive doze?
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
with oreo, yes. honestly, I saw little difference in functionality. naptime, force doze, Greenify, appops x, etc all attempt to do the same. Lspeed was a little too aggressive, even for me & would often cause performance issues, lag, or microstutters is applied too aggressively. Inbuilt appops give you more privacy options, same with privacy guard. Inbuilt Doze settings worked well on Xtended. I'm looking forward to trying all these, along with more stable Pie releases for a whole new set of testing and results. Or if any of these are necessary at all, or just fine tuning cpu frequencies, governors, gpu, etc can achieve sufficient results. We will find out soon
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] AndreiVolk:
The dev of nitrogen said he is waiting for caf sources to support encryption. From what i know caf sources are released from qualcomm for their CPUs so it shouldn't depend on OOS. A few days ago i have read that latest twrp supports decryption on pie for pixel and pixel 2. And we have basically the same cpu as the pixel ???
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] mk_1996:
Yes. Encryption has nothing to do with what oos does. Google did some changes in the vold and its a software based encryption. So i guess caf sources can make things alright
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Yes, but as [MENTION=8251855]gFknQ[/MENTION] said; there is not much difference.

Greenify and Lspeed were to aggressive and/or to difficult in settings for me.

Forcedoze and Naptime are doing exactly the same, but Forcedoze is open-source without advertisements so preferable ;)

You can find the Forcedoze apk on Github, gone from Google Play Store unfortunately.
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] phoberus:
Nice, thanks. I'm using ForceDoze_1.4.0_rev68.apk from AFH now, is this really the newest version?

There are new commits on github is the app is last updated in March on AFH
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] :
That's the one I am using also; ForceDoze_1.4.0_rev68.apk :good:
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
I am not using any at the moment as I believe it will interfere with Xtended testing and conflict with the results they are looking for. No tweaks or anything. If there are one or two more stable test builds, I may throw some hardcore tweaks at it and see if it holds up or improves anything
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Same here; only on stable and when I have installed and set and everything is working as it should be for some days ;):good:
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] desiresiscool:
Can you give a ETA at this stage
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
I thought maybe the end of the week. But building Xtended options right now. Maybe by end of weekend? But I am not developing, just testing. There are minor issues to be resolved. But I have tested 3 builds last 3 days, and each one more solid than the previous. It will be stable and worth it when it drops. That's what we all want, right?
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] Siraccool:
heavy gaming on validus final oreo + pa kernel
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] Siraccool:
results
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] mister_meet:
PA kernel? What's that? Any tweaks applied? Where can find the kernel or is it built in?
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] Slectone:
PA - Paranoid Android
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] Siraccool:
its the paranoid android kernel for oreo built by chris see the paranoid android thread
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] Abhi8897669398:
Any suggested settings for ex kernel playing pubg mobile without drain more than 20%
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] mk_1996:
Then you'll say its lagging?. Pubg is not optimised. No matter what you'll do its gonna be the same. You will find results to an extend only
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Hi [MENTION=8251855]gFknQ[/MENTION],

You probably have seen I left from a Telegram group.

I am curious if you already tested NOS. Using it for two days know and I have to say the Pie version is a really good piece of work, better then other tastes I have seen till now....

Drain in Pie seems an issue for some, in NOS my drain at first install is the same or even better then oreo after some "burning in" time.

I like it`s simplicity although well polished and complete with app ops, wakelock and alarm blocker.

Curious what your experience with NOS would be.

Will post back later after some extra days and testing but could be my new daily driver for Pie.
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
Nah, I decrypt to help them test and will probably stay there for a minute to help out. You tried Havoc? Probably too a lot of extra sht you don't need or use, just wondering. I've read mostly good things. When Xtended releases public, I'll probably check out the rest and compare. Looking forward to trying all pie, actually,
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] :
My intention was the same; helping with testing till the first official builds came out. Unfortunately I had issues with the system configuration messing up (as I could expect of course because it were test builds.....) and I tried NOS to compare and see if I had still the same issues.

Coming days I have no time to do testing and NOS is that stable I decided to keep it this way for the coming days.

Of course I am also looking forward to try all Pie versions when they come out ;)

Did not try Havoc because it has too many features for me; too bloated in my opinion, I want to choose my own packages and the base OS must be lean for me.

Btw, I decided to keep my phone without Google apps. No unnecessary wakelocks, no excessive drain, only thing is push messages....I can live with it.

Will not be here a lot the coming days but keep you guys posted about the results with NOS Pie.

Screenshot is over night drain of last night. The 1 percent is because of Telegram... ;)
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
My stats last night with latest test builds of rom and kernel. Much better than previous. Still all stock. It's okay you not be around much. I start new job full time tomorrow myself. Please keep sharing and I will be around when I can
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] :
What app are you using in the first screenshot?

Nice results btw.

Good luck in your new job ;)
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
Thanks. It's Franco Manger battery monitor.
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] Siraccool:
some performance oriented settings that doesnt drain much
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Almost perfect setup. Why not perfect? Because it is working so good that there is nothing to tweak anymore....

I would like to share my setup with you, may be it can help others.

Goal:

Setup which is working without any issues, low drain and most important; without Google services and/or other privacy issues.

I think I succeeded for 99,9 percent in reaching that goal...

Setup:

- Latest TWRP recovery (V3.2.3.0);

- Latest OnePlus 3T Firmware (V5.0.5);

- Nitrogen Pie beta as os;

- Latest stable Magisk for root access (V17.1);

- Lawnchair as launcher;

- Fdroid and Yalp as my playstore;

- AnySoftKeyboard as my keyboard in Dutch and English.

Other apps you can see on the screenshots, mostly Foss.

Only WhatsApp, Here maps and LinkedIn do have one or two trackers but can not be replaced without loosing functionality.

Only Magisk module is single-user mod to improve security as it is disables the multiple user feature and the guest account.

Result:

Incredible low drain over night <1% (0% over 10hours) ,

No setup used with kernel managers, app ops, other kernels, magisk modules or whatever, pictures and results are with out any tweaks.

Only thing I do after fresh install is running my nos.sh script (see attachements) to remove some system apps I am not using.

Hope screenshots and post do help others to choose for a no-Google setup without loosing too much functionality.

Have a nice weekend everyone! :good:

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[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
I didn't see what rom/kernel you are using?
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
Thanks [MENTION=8175708]Jan_L[/MENTION]

Edit: are you using any Magisk mods at all? BusyBox, etc
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] Siraccool:
nuclea rom 8.1 with stock radioactive kernel
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Only Magisk module is single-user mod to improve security as it is disables the multiple user feature and the guest account.
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] william_lie:
Hi [MENTION=8175708]Jan_L[/MENTION], i'm very interested with disabling google service, but i just trapped in a situation:

How you sync your contacts without google?

I watches youtube every night, and the contents automatically adjust to my habit, i haven't found any solution for this.

Yes i found some youtube alternative app, but i need to search any video i want to watch.

Also, i don't know if there is any youtube alternative apps which can login into our google account to watch our subscribed channels.

So what i'm doing is:

I freeze most of google services via titanium backup, and defroze them everytime i need to sync to my google account.

Thanks.
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Hi [MENTION=8841529]william_lie[/MENTION],

Disabling Google is also the disadvantage that some things will not be possible or at least more difficult.

I am not using YouTube the way you do, so for me it is no issue. I know there are some apps also in F-Droid repository, but couldn't you simply use your browser, logged in in YouTube to get the same result?

As you already noticed, I am not using it.... ;)

I am synchronizing my contacts, sms, photo albums and even some files from my Phone to my laptop with Outlook (yeahh, I know.... :rolleyes: ) using MyPhoneExplorer. That's all I need, I am not using cloud services for synchronizing stuff.

What you do is also possible, but when you are a heavy Google user, I think it is easier then to disable only the critical services in background.

There is a lot of information on the internet about it, just search for "android privacy google background services restrict" for example.
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] Ihe87:
I don't use it but i think you can try this:

https://f-droid.org/app/free.rm.skytube.oss
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] william_lie:
Thanks. Will try it out

---------- Post added at 10:57 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:55 AM ----------

LOL, i think i will stay with my way rather than yours, coz most of my time, i am away from my laptop.

Disable the critical is not possible, because most of the service can't run without play services.
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
MSM Xtended Pie (XP) probable release date tomorrow everyone!
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] vinoxflame:
base on your testing, how was it?
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
Solid
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] :
And it is already there ;):good:

Now we can compare results :laugh::laugh::laugh:
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
Ha. I haven't even flashed yet. Still on latest test build. Just woke up. How is Nitrogen holding up?
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Very good in fact.

I am testing a little the difference between NOS and Caesium kernel, have enabled internal wakelock blocker with four extra wakelocks I block, just to see if I can optimise a little further.

In AppOpsX I have disabled all apps including system from keeping my my phone out of deep sleep, as I have seen no negative side effects from it after testing on GZOSP and also system ui and some other apps triggered .

Last night 13 hours with still 0 percent drop, everything very stable and not even one glitch or error... :p:p:p

Moved some apps from Yalps to F-Droid to make even less usage of Google Play Store but ofcourse I have to for some commercial apps like LinkedIn, Bank accounts etc...

Although not realistic because it is Pie now, my overall experience till now is even better then GZOSP and Omni/ OmniDragon.

Less drain, less to tweak, extremely stable, just working as it should be......

When Omni and/or OmniDragon is/are out I will defenately test them but the chance is there that after testing and sharing results, my daily driver will be NOS again.
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
[MENTION=8175708]Jan_L[/MENTION], is that inbuilt Wake Blocker in Nitrogen or separate app?
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] :
In Nitrogen itself, menu Miscellaneous; Wakelock Blocker, Alarm Blocker, App Ops, wake up on charge and show CPU info ;)
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
Yeah, I pushed to include on Xtended and it will be added probably next build
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] DrUnknownEMC:
Cool, I presume I should only encrypt my device after encryption is supported by the rom or I won't able to flash future updates.

Actually not bad overnight idle drain. I'm surprised I didn't have to use any alarm blocker.
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
I have not had to tweak or adjust kernel at all to get results that I'm use to. Matter of fact, I tried numerous doze apps, and idle drain doubled
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] DrUnknownEMC:
You talking about naptime or greenify?
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
Both. Latest test build has built in Doze settings, so should be released soon without need of separate app
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
[MENTION=7205141]athulda[/MENTION] I saw your comments on Arrow thread, and decided to answer here, as question is not necessarily related to that thread. And you can always come here, and if i can't help maybe someone else here may have a better answer.

But no, interesting enough question as I have always worked hard to keep any app from running constantly, lol. I am familiar with questions on how to stop them, but not keep them going. If you wouldn't mind sharing which specific application or applications, I might be able to find some useful information. A lot of the time it starts with individual application settings, and then generally I branch out to next step, then next step, etc, to find. Example app, then android, oneplus 3, doze settings, and so on. We may be able to figure something out that way, but without knowing the specific application you want running, I don't know where to start
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
Soon to be dropping Xtended with wakelock blocker, alarms blocker, doze settings
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] athulda:
Excellent!

Application > Pokemon Go
[OnePlus 3T Guides, News, & Discussion] gFknQ:
Okay. I only played Pokémon go for a day or two, lol, back when it had a lot of problems with Magisk. But I always thought it was the type of aggressive application that ran in the background all the time anyway. What rom are you on, are you using any doze app, does your rom have app ops, are you using any mod(magisk or xposed), built in Doze settings etc?