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[General Topics] j1ngles:
ceevee369,

You're missing the point here. There are people on this forum point-blankedly "n00b bashing" because they have sod all productive to add apart from re-iterating what every other smart arse who's been a member here for donkey's years knows already.

It pisses me off when looking at a valid and interesting post (including one that's been raised before) that it's get clogged with crap about how people should read previous threads etc..

If you don't want to read a post because it's been discussed before then move on, we all have choices for christ's sake....
[General Topics] P1Tater:
Just another pointless thread.:confused:
[General Topics] richierich:
I totally agree guys!

Now i'm no developer, but i remember being quite green to this forum myself so to see so many new users trying to get to grips with the winmo platform, to me is a good sign that this community is still growing.

Help them i say instead of being unnecessarily rude!

You never know, one of those same n00bs may actually go on to provide something useful someday!

RR
[General Topics] Mikulec:
Man, you are late. I thought you will be the first one to respond to this thread.
[General Topics] origins81:
Here! Here @ j1ngles. I'm still relatively new to the world of xda but NOT to computers and I have to agree with you. Noticed this from the first post, not even thread I made a couple of months back that there seems to be certain individuals who really have nothing to contribute or do with their free time and roam from thread to thread looking looking to flame noobs. It's funny cos some of the people that were responding didn't even know what a cdma network was but felt it relevant to make their opinion known.

It's people like that that make great forums such as xda bad and noobs afraid/ hesitate to even ask legitimate questions cos of fear of backlash. Heck that's how I ended up creating my signature so I guess something good came out of it anyways;)
[General Topics] funy:
this is the sad thruth about internet message forums. see it everywhere

mostly inhabited by post count whores who dispise anyone new and instead of helping out flame n00bies because they didnt read through 1000s of posts to find a fix or something which could just put put into 1 line reply and it would be over.

and for the record until the switch to google forum search the search system on the site was utter rubbish and would bring up a million responses to any request and usually then it wasnt of any help. This isnt xda=devs fault its just vbulletin being stupid but glad they have made the switch.
[General Topics] XtreMe_G:
i see that you think ppl should be allowed to post whatever they like, but DID YOU HAVE TO CREATE TWO POSTS ON THE SAME SUBJECT??? THIS IS EXACTLY THE REASON PPL BASH NOOBIES FOR

like i said in the other thread......you pointless rant is as helpful as the noob bashing threads, as helpful but less amusing.
[General Topics] paaaaaaaaaa:
I agree wholeheartedly. I see the same type of responses all over the internet in various different forums. I remember a long time ago when I was new to a forum and asked a silly question I was verbally beaten to a pulp, even the moderators joined in (wish I can remember what the question was now). Anyway I never returned to that forum again and urged others not to go there, eventually the forum got a bad name for itself and I do believe it has gone now.

I'm new here myself but generally I find this forum full of great characters, it's one of the finer forums on the net!!
[General Topics] P1Tater:
YOU MORON

ok, now this is just freaking ridiculous. 2 posts in 2 different forums on the same topic.

YOU MY FRIEND ARE AN ABSOLUTE MORON.:mad:

People bash n00b's not for asking questions, but for asking redundant ones and for posting new threads that are redundant as well. LIKE THIS ONE.

I wish someone would develop a program that would allow me to stab someone in the face over the internet, or at least let me remove their fingers to keep them from posting idiotic/redundant threads. You would be the first one I would beta test on.:mad:
[General Topics] whk:
I understand your point - when many messages by new people begin with "Don't flame me but I have a question..." you get the idea that it is dangerous to post in a forum.

One thing that i have noticed in this forum more than any other that I frequent is how many people come here that want to change their phone slightly and are willing to do it and do NOT want to take the time to figure out what forum or what thread even to post in.

For example: a sticky on Kaiser tweak has a "How do I do..." question just posted in it that has nothing to do with Kaiser tweak. The persons seems to have no clue that if you post in an incorrect thread you are less likely to get a good answer than if you posted in a place where people are actually asking those questions.

I do see that even after reading voraciously and trying to search that you almost always have a lingering question - like - does this work on MY phone? Can i just change the radio or do i have to change then ROM as well? kind of thing and RARELY does what you read EXACTLY fit your question.

The other thing is that frequently there are several options in the posts that give directions: for example:

Windows Smart Phone cab: abcdfeg.cab

Windows CE Cab: abddlkj.cab

Special Dutty's Cab: sslkjjew.cab

And for the LIFE of me, I know I have a Tilt but NOWHERE has it EVER told me that it is a Smart Phone or CE etc. . . so I have to make a decision:

1. I am smart enough to figure this out and take a risk with my phone

2. I am not smart enough

a. ok - I can ask a question and get flamed

b. I will put up with the current unwanted behavior

After putting up with it for several days the user eventually comes back and at least gives a timid try at getting it fixed.

Once they realize that the flame is not painful and they can actually do this without their phone exploding or "bricking" they are so ecstatic that they become a "guru" themselves and spread the word about how wonderful this forum is and how helpful everyone is.

Read the AT&T forum for HTC phones - this forum is the hero of all that are there. And us newbies are spreading your gospel. This means even more (perish the thought!) noobies coming over here for a taste of your knowledge! ;)

By the way - I am very greatful for all the help that I have received here personally.

Thanks

Bill
[General Topics] j1ngles:
So Notatreofan in your world you would only ever have one mail to encompass any issue as not to pollute your search forum.

I only ever post a valid reply and as such this is the first time I have made a post like this maybe to stick up dfor the new guy a little.

What's the point of a forum you may as well just have a wiki for every possible subject.

As for pitater and mikulec, absolutely nothing useful but eh another notch for your post bedpost!
[General Topics] Guilf:
You're just dead wrong. This isn't a tech support site. This isn't AT&T's support site. This isn't a PPC beginner's site. This is a developer's site.

My Tilt is my first PPC. I came on here with an attitude of respect because so many were providing so many resources and asking for so little in return. I started out with an attitude similar to yours....help whenever possible. As such, I freaking read. I didn't HardSPL or flash a new ROM until I'd had my Tilt for over a month - because I wasn't ready and I didn't expect anyone to spoon feed me. Some of the noobs on here have run into trouble because they want to flash a ROM the second their new unit is charged for the first time. No delayed gratification - feel bad for their significant others...bet they're all premature ejaculators.

I've gone from knowing literally nothing to cooking my own personal ROMs just by searching and reading on this site. I've answered 20 times more questions than I've asked and I've never bashed a noob because I am one. However, even I am sick of seeing that same freaking questions asked constantly. I get that the Tilt has proliferated and people don't know a lot, but show some respect for people that have been here forever - follow the rules, learn the customs. I'm an American, but it's just like an American to expect the locals to fit your customs rather than the other way around. Perhaps we'd have a video driver if all the experts didn't have to spend their days answering the dumbest freaking questions on the face of the earth...What's the difference between the "E" and the "H" in my top bar? What's the best ROM out there? I lost my sound when I flashed the first hour after I got the thing and haven't read a single thread (PLEASE HELP!!). How about reading the manual? How about reading through the titles of one page of threads? Do you think there would be so many ROMs if there was one that was everything to everybody? I get that some of the threads have become unwieldly - but why do you think that is?

I'm a believer that this place should get far more restrictive about who should be able to post. Give every new member a quiz asking the most basic questions that can be found in 5 seconds. If you don't pass, you can't post. Start a newbie area where people like yourself (and me when I feel like it) can spend their time answering questions so the real developers can do work that benefits us all. That won't happen because the long-standing members are too patient and generous for their own goods. We should all be grateful. Part of that gratefulness is showing some respect and being an adult and finding your own answers to your own stupid questions whenever possible.

BTW - As for time. I own and run my own company. I have a live in girlfriend and a very active life. I have made time to figure these things out without losing anything else in my life. If you don't have time to read and learn, you shouldn't be messing with flashing and such. Get an iPhone. Your time is no more important than anyone else's here.
[General Topics] Carty:
Jingles, you say you want the board to be clean and how many duplicate posts have you made with the same? Ive seen three already..

Sorry, Im not bashing you in any way. Just a suggestion.

Regards,

Carty..
[General Topics] P1Tater:
IDIOT

nicely said guilf.

as for j1ngles - at least get my freaking name right you double poster of redundant $hit. Two new threads in 2 different forums? YOU ARE A MORON.:mad:
[General Topics] ceevee369:
Yes... I did. If I do not find the answer here, I go shopping on other forums. if the answer can not be found there, i come back and I evaluate in which section - thread my Q might be noticed and easy to find for others in the future doing a search.

The "XDA etiquette" is something all newbies learn in time when spending some hours to read. Some sooner than later.Besides, the more this site becomes popular and known, the more you attract lesser experienced people who simply think that this is just another forum and drop a Q without thinking further not being aware that some knights with swinging swords are looking for a target making their day.

Said this, I still got no reply from anyone regarding my Q about the TytnII keyboard fix. I wait, and no, I will not even think of starting another thread polution .Only hoping it will be spotted giving a possible sanswer to many having the same issue. :)
[General Topics] wizzzard:
I believe in the Carrot and Stick approach.

Dangle the Carrot by providing a usefull link and advice then beat the sh*t out of them with the Stick marked Search.
[General Topics] Mikulec:
a funny one.
[General Topics] funy:
simple answer to that, the mods could do their job rather than having a powertrip/flamefest.

say in a week or a fortnight you have 2 or 3 similar threads, close and prune the two newest posts or with least detail and simply put at the bottom, this has already been answered or whatever with a link to the post.
[General Topics] illusion8088:
Agree totally.

I think bashing should be discouraged. My attitude is; if I see a question that has been asking gazillion times, I simply choose to ignore that post rather than bashing the individual. If we all adopt this attitude, the individual will be forced to search and find the solution him/herself. Well said grandpareza, xda is NOT a service, if you're asking the same questions multiple times, you're contributing to useless threads/post, and making future searches even more frustrating. For the "bashers", you're also contributing to useless posts/threads.
[General Topics] kjb86:
Wiki!!!!!!!

I just say look at the damn wiki &/or Sticky's

They have them for a reason - any first time new visitor can find HUGE amounts of useful information.

It's got all the basic information in it from what the device is and what you can do to it.
[General Topics] Guilf:
Sorry - simpler answer to that...dumdums don't post the same thing multiple times. Perhaps the mods would have time to prune the threads or combine all the duplicate threads if they didn't have to patrol for people posting the exact same crap in multiple locations within seconds. That should NEVER happen except for something (free software, major brand new release, etc.) that is of interest to everyone in the forum.

J1ngles - you don't have the time or inclination to read, but you seem to have a bunch of spare time on your hands this morning to post.
[General Topics] kyphur:
I think what a lot of people forget is that this is not a "make my phone neat & kewl" place.

As implied by the name this is technically a Developers forum/community.

Now what does that mean? Well first off it means that there is an expectation that if you are here then you want to customize your device but rather than just installing something that someone packaged you want to understand how it works and maybe even enhance it yourself.

When I first came here with a Blue Angel it was a different environment. PDA Phones were not embraced by the general public because of the expense and complexity (I paid over $400 for my BA). A $400 phone 4 years ago was expensive, today the Tilt is $300 after rebates but with inflation & the rise in the cost of other devices and the fact that there are other sources out there giving them away for $150 our neat bit of kit has become popular with mainstream users.

Now we have a flood of new users who are asking not "How can I do this myself" but more like "Give me the quick fix" without caring to understand the process. See if you read the threads then you get to experience the learning process, you see how the issues were investigated and confirmed. Then you get to watch the different attempts at resolution and learn why some failed while others worked. That is called Development.

The NooB backlash is coming from users who have walked in the development shoes and is directed mainly at those who don't care for the journey but just want the end result or destination.

As a Development Forum we are just as much (if not more) about the journey. I've read so many comments like "I don't have time to read all of the threads" or "I don't care how it works, just that it does". These very statements are contrary to the heart & soul of XDA-Devs and that is why the backlash is so strong.

Let me be very clear on this: IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE JOURNEY THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

XDA-Devs is about developers & hackers helping each other and working together to get the most out of our devices by understanding them better than most.

XDA-Devs is not about helping everyone who wants a "Kewl bit of kit" make their phone better than the guy next to him.

Now do we go kicking users off who never contribute anything, NO. We tolerate it to an extent. Where the toleration ends is when these users start diluting the usefulness of the forum by repeating the same questions over and over again.

You ask us to understand your position. Well if you want to benefit from our experience and time then I think it is only fair that you understand our position.
[General Topics] P1Tater:
Very well put Kyphur. It gets very aggravating.
[General Topics] illusion8088:
Why Start 2 similar threads? Ridiculous!!

This is just annoying. Why did you start 2 virtually identical threads; this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=377815

This is an abuse of the system and this type of behavior should be highly discouraged. And you wonder why people don't search? Because people like you have polluted this great forum with useless threads making it difficult to find useful information.

If you don't have time to read and search, don't expect anybody to have time to solving your problems.

I absolutely do not agree with bashing people posting questions, but to say you're too busy to read and search is just plain insulting to the people who are supposed to be providing you with answers. And starting 2 similar threads just to say the same thing is plain shameful.

Edit;

I noticed his duplicate post have been combined into 1 by the mods, thank goodness, so my link to his other post may bring you back to the same place.
[General Topics] illusion8088:
Similar thread, same person. Ridiculous!!

This is just annoying. Why did you start 2 virtually identical threads; this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=377814

This is an abuse of the system and this type of behavior should be highly discouraged. And you wonder why people don't search? Because people like you have polluted this great forum with useless threads making it difficult to find useful information.

If you don't have time to read and search, don't expect anybody to have time to solving your problems.

I absolutely do not agree with bashing people posting questions, but to say you're too busy to read and search is just plain insulting to the people who are supposed to be providing you with answers. And starting 2 similar threads just to say the same thing is plain shameful.

Edit;

I noticed his duplicate post have been combined into 1 by the mods, thank goodness, so my link to his other post may bring you back to the same place.
[General Topics] netzcoyote:
j1ngles makes a good point.

So does sebastian in post #2.

Folks, while a internet forum is anonymous, I recommend being as polite as if you were talking to a bunch of people on a face to face basis.

My guess is everyone would be a lot more patient before saying "use the ****ing search function, noob" to someones face.

On the same note, j1ngles, if you start a thread calling those folks "idiots" and questioning their ratio of useful posts, how serious do you think they will take your opinion, be it valid or not?!

Also, while j1ngles' double posting this topic (and I didn't check) is a very bad habit, it is NOT the topic of this thread, and any comments would have been better made in a PM to j1ngles.

How is a newbie supposed to find any information, never mind the search engine, if people keep changing the subject of a thread?!

Be nicer, it's fun!

Cheers,

nc
[General Topics] NotATreoFan:
What? Please use punctuation and proper grammar.

I applaud your patience. Even I would have been bumping it at least every 48 hours...

:D ...nuff said
[General Topics] ChumleyEX:
Straight up, you can tell if someone has spent the time to learn something on this forum. I think it's disrespectful to all of us that read the threads to learn and especially to those of you that certainly take a great deal of time creating some of the best documentation I have seen in a forum. For instance, there is a guy that has written a bible regarding Midlets, I don't know what they are but if I needed to that is the first place I would go. I doubt that after reading that, that I would have any questions afterwards.

Now I do understand that this site has SOOOOOO MUCH content. I'm sure XDA is the same size the internet was back in 1993. So when someone posts something and they break off some of the knowledge they gained by the horrible search grind, then yeah there is nothing wrong with that and they should not fear the flame. But if you create a topic and directly above it the answer to your topic has been stickied, then yeah something should be said. I don't think anyone has been treated that bad, I have been on forums that can be really rough.

For those of you that double post topics, well thats just not cool now is it. Not everyone knows the answer to your question on the time frame your hoping for. I have posted some topics and never got a reply, I didn't just post another one within 24hrs. We aren't your B@#$@#s that have to do things for you at the snap of your finger. Have patience.

I do agree there should be some respect givin to all and I am certainly to blame for some of the heat around here. Everyone needs to respect the content on this site and everyone needs to respect each other. I have a hard time personally, respecting those that don't respect the content. This is my flaw and I am working on it. Thank you for your patience.

Lastly, I am here to learn and amuse myself during the day. I love to help BUT I don't like baby sitting people that won't help themselves. Don't expect me to do everything for you, but you can expect me to kick down knowledge and help when I see that you are here to learn.

I hope I don't seem to harsh.

___ What I'm a senior member? Do I get the AARP Discount our something?
[General Topics] marriotheblackguy:
Not Bashing...Just wondering

I'm not bashing just wondering what this post has to do with "Development and Hacking"? Isn't this available in "GENERAL DISCUSSIONS"?:confused:
[General Topics] kyphur:
I has been moved.
[General Topics] kyphur:
Direct response to OP...

J1ngles,

I find it ironic that you created this thread. You are the definition of a serial threader. When I first looked at "Threads created by j1ngles" I found 25 with only 2 (duplicate threads I combined into this one) being original or new and the rest being redundant as they asked questions asked & answered time and again in the forums.

Well I've done you a favor and cleaned-up your threads.

Notes:

"Let people ask whatever they like!" is 2 duplicate threads combined into one and moved to the appropriate section.

"Schap's 4.31" is closed because it never should have been a new thread, you should have asked in the thread about that Rom.

"The all encompassing 'Help J1ngles with his Kaiser' Thread" is infact 17 unique (and redundant) threads none of which asks a question which justifies a new thread.

"Dutty's ROM enquiry" is closed because it never should have been a new thread, you should have asked in the thread about that Rom.

"Slide 2 Unlock" is 2 duplicate threads, neither of which should have been created as there are already threads about this product.

"Hard_SPL" never should have been created as there are already threads about this product.

Please read my earlier post in this thread about what XDA-Devs is and isn't, apparently you don't understand the point of this forum.

Maybe if you showed a little more respect for the forum and the other users here you would get more out of the forum.
[General Topics] P1Tater:
Now that is hilarious. Someone, I ain't saying who, but his name starts with j1ngles, has just been exposed. The reason this thread and its identical twin were created was that you got bashed more than once for not learning how to search and then posting redundant threads. Well, my initial dignosis was right I believe.

YOU ARE A MORON.
[General Topics] ChumleyEX:
Damn it P1Tater, I'm not sure if it's your avatar or your posts, but everytime I see both I just get a good chuckle.

Oh and props to kypher.
[General Topics] XtreMe_G:
ok, i take back what i said earlier, this thread is getting more interesting.

lets see.......78 posts and 25 are new threads. i dont even have that much!! i havent checked but i bet P1Tater doesnt have that much himself too
[General Topics] P1Tater:
I think I have started 3 maybe 4 threads at the most.
[General Topics] suk72:
TBH I havent seen too much bashing here.

This is probably the most civil board i have registered on in a long time.

But i dont post too often so i dont know if im qualified to say that. :p