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[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] resident_cj:
Nice comparison. In the picture department the p20pro is the clear winner in my eyes (in most situations) . But with 41mp and mono and Telesensor this is what it was expected for. But i dont trust the reviewer. He says the xz2 premium has only optical stabilization at 4k. Fact is: xz2p has no ois at all ^^ . If i´m not completly wrong sony never had ois in smartphones ( sadly my sony XZs too :( )

But he seems not the smartest. If i wanted to make the xz2p shine in comparison to p20pro i would take a 960fps slowmo video of a FAST moving object with the two devices ^^ . Thats where the huawei is unusable and the sony is best on the market.

Just bought the p20pro to replace my dual mobile setup of Sony XZs and Lumia 1020 . Picturewise im good with it (still not as good as lumia but acceptable^) . But Nighttime videos are much worse becaus of rolling shutter and fps dropping below 30 . So the recorded lights get unsharp while moving.

And the 960fps slowmo of huawei is simply a mess against my nearly two year old Sony XZs. The sony needs more light but produces good results . Huawei is just a lot of artifacts^^ .

Maybe im selling the Huawei and the Lumia and keep the sony xzs until a big sensor Phone with good Slomo comes ... . Panasonic Lumix CM1 was by far the best ive ever had but sadly a lot of other problems. Bad speacker / mic /Display and no root/ no access to external memory card from file manager. ( can write on it ) .

Xperia xZ3 looks interesting maybe with 48mpix say the rumors. Hope they include finally ois ^^
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
In the telephoto lens, the Huawei is still the best. In low light conditions, the Huawei is again the best. In general photography, it is as good as the best. It's HDR algorithms are better than even Google's. Apart from the Lumia, it's 40mp or monochrome shots still carry the most detail.

That's just the photography. The Huawei has the best battery life of the flagships. The fastest charging too. Unique colour design, I have the twilight. Very good speakers when in landscape, coupled with a very nice bright amoled display. It is one of the last flagships to still include an IR remote too. It has the fastest fingerprint scanner and the fastest face unlock. Nobody else comes close. Plus, it's a Huawei. Not a Samsung or an Apple, therefore it is more rare/novel than the widely owned rivals. It does not lag like Samsung. Updates have been acceptable on the P20 Pro, so far.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] freddyttt:
Not really down with all these fancy words except this one. the Camera is this phones biggest downfall. i had and used my mate 9 for over 1 year and absolutely loved that phone and it's camera. i'm so dissapointed in the p20 pro camera even a software update will not save this phone. yes at times it takes beautiful picture and then it muffs the most basic outdoor shot. I will sell this phone and hope for the best with the note 9..
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] resident_cj:
In which mode u've taken the food picture ? Seems like the auto or ai mode wanted to implement some bokeh at the wrong places or its simply out of focus.

Maybe try a little bit of the settings in the pro mode. Could be that the automode isnt that good at the moment. I dont use auto (normal foto mode) often. But im sure if thats ur only problem rhey will definitely will improve the auto mode in future. The hardware of the camera is great and better than s9+ or xz2 . Only problem in my eyes is the slow memory rhat cant handle 960fps slomo vid. And the software needs a bit of tweaking.

I come from a nokia lumia 1020 and sony xperia xzs only for slowmo ^^ . For photos i never would take a s9+ or sony or iphone. If you want awesome photos you are right with p20pro. Panasonic Lumix cm1 smartphone was the best photo and video phone i ever had but got never an update feom android 5.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] walkerx:
The camera is good when taking a night shot, even beats the iPhone x (wife has one) but portrait mode is not brilliant with ai overcompensating and making a face look so fake, while the iPhone x is far better at these shots
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] mrnovanova:
I finally realized why the Camera on that phone is garbage. No auto mode. It's that simple. I was at a family function yesterday. The room was not lit an the light came from the windows around us. So sometimes it was coming from from behind subjects and sometimes from the sides.

Anyway photo mode with the AI automatically went to portrait so when there were 3 or more subjects one of them was blurred. I never had to retake pictures so many times. I won't even start with low light it was all a blurry mess. That's when it dawned on me. No frickin auto mode. Where is the point and shoot for any situations?

Nowhere. I'm sorry guys. The pixel 2 xl and the s9 plus still have better cameras than this phone. I'm not a frickin photographer, I'm not going to sit there and adjust the iso or whatever. End of the day once in a while if the light hits the subject just right the camera is amazing. But I never had to retake a picture with my pixel 2xl is all I'm saying...
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
The 'photo' mode is auto. If you don't like the enhancements of AI, then just got X or turn it off permanently in the settings and just go back to using the 'photo' mode. Done.

I have to say, I love the portrait mode and my brother who owns a Pixel 2 saw some family pictures I shared and he was blown away.

Then there's the zoom. It was a mic drop moment for him.

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I could share some boring Pixel XL v P20 Pro shots I took to make my point. Mostly without portrait as those are family pictures. But in regular auto mode, P20 Pro has the better dynamic range in sunlight, the better exposure and focus at night and the better zoom capability. The subjects of my shots are random boring things like a car park or some residential flats or a building site.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] mrnovanova:
Ya no, tried that. Still a fail. The experience with the pixel is a lot more consistent. Out of 100 pics you might have to retake 2. I never had to retake so many pics. The consistency of the experience is simply not there. That's what I mean by auto-mode.

As for the AI, well I'll just leave a picture.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
You see that X there? Or turn that off in settings LOL. Funny in any case. Bit like complaining about Siri or Google Now misunderstanding what we say. The camera can misunderstand what it sees. It's still a valid criticism. I hear you.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] CandyAndy:
Have to agree with you. I came from mate 9 pro and honestly speaking only place I see improvement is low light situations. Pretty much everything else is not as good as with mate 9 pro
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
These really need comparison shots to substantiate. I would happily accept what you're saying but it needs the support of something like a side by side picture comparison. I will share some with my Pixel XL, which used to be the smartphone camera to beat until the Pixel 2 got released.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
Sorry I had nothing inspiring to shoot and the images are not full res. Still good enough to determine our desired outcome.

https://imgur.com/a/Z1h6D7O
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] vodovodo:
Went to a birthday party during last weekend in Dubai .... Most of the people have their profile pictures now from the pictures I took using this phone

Enough said
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] freddyttt:
Agreed. Also spent close to 2 years with the mate 9 and it bests this p20 pro on most shots. End of story. This phone goes in 2 weeks. Byebye
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] jj03:
Very happy with the phone. Sold a couple of images through getty taken with this handset..
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] freddyttt:
And this is why I hate this camera ... a simple indoor food shot in different modes and they all look like sh#t.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
As compared to what? I know the camera has flaws but it helps if we get more context. Something to compare with side by side.

BTW, have you seen this thread? Just start at the last page and work backwards. Two or three pages is enough.

https://xdaforums.com/huawei-p20-pro/how-to/photos-huawei-p20-pro-share-fantastic-t3774488/page79
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] freddyttt:
well compared to my Mate 9, Galaxy 7, HTC incredible and note 4... hows that for starters. and I posted 4 easy indoor shots of my sandwich. they all suck !!!!
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] gm007:
First clean the lenses from ur fingerprints,the washed out colors are from dirts on the lens.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
Yes. At the moment we must take your word for it. Which does not reflect badly on you, but leaves a lot to be desired, since such a statement cannot be substantiated.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] all the pugs:
I don't want to insult you but user skills also play a big role in photographic results. Some of the pics seem shaky and at least one is too close. I have a friend who also takes the most horrendous photographs with every camera you give him. He complains a lot about bad cameras, but you just need to watch him... never holds the camera steady, never supports it at longer exposure time, helds it with far extended arms, gets too close, moves it while the exposure isn't done....

Next time you make a sandwich, try this:

- Don't get too close, watch what the auto focus is doing

- maybe enable AI, it tells you when you're too close

- hold the device steady when the light is poor

- don't move it when it's not done! When it says "hold steady, sharpening...", do exactly this: hold it steady!

- maybe support your hands or arms when the exposure is longer

- watch the white balance. If you have a mix of light sources (daylight and tungsten for example), change the white balance manually or move the sandwich to a place with better lighting.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
This is very true. Nowaday people expect that the phone will do all the job for them.

From what i saw around my community, the one who appeciate p20 pro camera the most are one who used to shoot with a proper SLR camera, know the correlation between Speed, Aperture, ISO, White Balance and all other aspects which play parts in photography.

These people used to brought along a heavy and handful camera gadget, shooting landscape, journalism, products and all stuff,

They know how troublesome it used to be to get a good picture. So when they found a phone, which bring along most of advanced function from their SLR, and let them create a good picture without hurting their backs, they love it.

And by "good picture", for these people, it mean the picture are either : properly composed, properly metered (exposure is right), moment is spot on, and so on. They already know, what object would looks good in camera, or which angle would make it good, and more importantly, they already know, what kind of result they want to have, prior to shooting it. And that make a big difference.

Picture that just being snapped without any effort, will never beat an essence of picture which took & planned properly.

Unfortunately, most of people/users will take this phone camera as granted. And never learn to unlock its potential.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
Here... This is compared to the highly respected Pixel XL 1. The P20 first, followed by the Pixel.

This is why comparing is important. Rather than just saying it.

https://imgur.com/a/d4rCPn1

The P20 Pro wins this one, in my opinion.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] freddyttt:
why do i care of someone else photos ??
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
Ermmm. Maybe because they managed to get better shot/resuts than you when using same phone ?

Maybe something to learn, or maybe not. LoL, i dont know anymore,

after all the thread topic is about someone else opinions in regards of this phone camera to begin with. :p
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
Because it demonstrates that maybe you're chatting BS? And that this thread is someone else's opinion, anyways. LOL what a way to make a convincing argument.

More than anything, your response demonstrates that you're not really interested to substantiate your claim that this camera performs as bad as you say it does. Perhaps it is because it is not possible to substantiate that which isn't true? I mean, a phone who's pictures are worse than their own phone, 2 generations old? But better than the Google Pixel and the iPhone X, today? For real?

We were trying to be cordial and polite with refuting your statements but you made them repeatedly without backing it up and when refuted gently, you declare you don't care much for photos taken by this phone, if taken by others. All I can say is, LOL. You trolling, bruh. We see you.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] freddyttt:
Trolling. No not trolling. Just purchased another phone so I'll be selling this one. Ty and Enjoy.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
Let us know if the camera does better than the P20 Pro. Supported with accompanying comparison images.

Thanks.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] walkerx:
If an Apple representative told us the camera on my P20 Pro was better than the camera on the IPhone X my wife was buying says it all.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] bogdan1980:
Front camera p10 plus p20: selfie are whiter, no sharpness, no details.

Front camera p9 and p9 plus was awsome.

Back camera awsome on p9 p10 p20, but on recording use 1080, not 1080 60 fps for IOS. Back camera is years ahead from Iphone X. Regarding AI on photo, click on that X near sky for example, or stop it from menu.

I have now in house 6s 7 8 plus and my X. I use X for work, but p20 for rest.

In sunlight P20 pro is better then X a lot.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
New Huawei update disables master AI by default. 156 for European P20 Pro.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] mrhizzo:
There is no news about 4k video with OIS?
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Bwyan Benton:
I look at P20 pro shots and I see consistent ghosting and blurry photos with smoothed out details that don't exist. Pixel 2 kills the P20 hands down, and if I wanna eliminate some of the extra noise in the pixel shots, I use Lightroom, and I'm still left with more detail from the pixel photos. Sorry P20 fans, that isn't the best camera phone on the market, pixel 2 still wears that crown.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] lambstone:
That's the only camera difference right? Are you seeing any other improvements?
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
It also brings us up to speed with the August patch, one week later than the Pixel phones. That's pretty darn good if you ask me.

Others have also reported that quick charging can now be achieved using non Huawei quick chargers.

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Just wanted to repost this comparison with the P20 Pro. [youtube]kORBZ960uqU[/youtube]

P20 Pro wins on many occasions. This xz2 premium and the note 9 are it's only rivals and I think the note 9 takes the crown. And I still wouldn't get a Samsung.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
Ghosting and blur ? Smoothed out detail ?

am not sure you use that phone the right way, LoL.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] jj03:
[emoji38] OK son. Sure... [emoji38][emoji38]
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Bwyan Benton:
Really? You're that ignorant?

Ok let's start

2nd page of this thread somebody compared P20 pro to pixel 2 of I'm assuming his baby. Zoom in, inspect these photos, the P20 pro is blurry and soft. The pixel 2 manages to stay sharp and no blur. Interesting eh? But let's just say this guy was biased towards the pixel and intentionally screwed the P20 shots.

Let's move...

Go to Flickr search Huawei P20 pro, change the filter to interesting instead of relevant so you can see actual photography instead of shots of people's fingernails. Zoom in on those photos...night and day...tell me what you see....blur!!! Ghosting!!! Interesting.

Also check this out

https://www.androidpit.com/iphone-x-pixel-2-advance-to-smartphone-world-cup-finals

Where the pixel 2 ended up winning the smartphone best camera. Voter's blindly voted on the pictures without knowing what camera shot them. Pixel 2 beat the P20 pro. And iPhone x in the finals.

If the P20 pro was so much better stuff like this wouldn't happen, you also wouldn't see many many many people still saying they prefer the pixel 2 over the P20 pro.

Have a nice day.

Ps. Don't get caught up in the 3 camera 40mp gimmicks.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] lambstone:
Are you sure this is with the b156 update? I read that this QC was with the b152 update but it didn't work for me on my C432 phone
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] vodovodo:
Seriously who cares?

I am not winning an award of the most details but I can use the zoom. The night shots. The black and white. The artificial colors with ai is more appealing to me and everyone around me. So I prefer the people

Everyone sees what he wants to see and uses the most out of his device based on his needs not a stupid online argument
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
I am still trying to figure out how to verify this.

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Objectively, 40mp shots in very good lighting shows better detail. This is repeatable.

Zoom is still unmatched on this phone. I use it a lot.

Very low light conditions and this phone still does better than nearly all others, bar maybe the Note 9 now. Even though, none of those images by any of the phones is usable in such extreme low light.

Under general more usable night conditions, this phone controls light glare much better than its rivals. But it isn't any better than the others for these scenarios. They are all good.

After recent updates, using AI mode but disabling blue sky on prompt ALWAYS beats my Pixel 1, in HDR performance. AI 10mp has gotten so good now that as long as I decline blue sky and food suggestions, the shots are incredible and very reliable.

It's weaknesses are, poor HDR using FFC.

40mp relies heavily on lots of sunlight.

Video FPS and stabilisation is the biggest weakness, hands down. This needs an update, fast and desperately. Thankfully, 1080p at 30 is still quite usable for those few occasions I need to use video and I even shoot in 4k and stabilise after the fact.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] lucadoc726:
How can you stabilise after recording the video?
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] gm007:
Google photos can do it.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] szlaga:
Photos made by 10MP sensor are still oversharpen too me, only photos from 40MP; monochrome; tele sensors are good for my eye.

Waiting to see if they can upgrade this overexposure on selfies. If not I think I'll buy Pixel 2XL because it is better point and shooter, which I can't tall about P20 Pro, photos from front camera are great, 4k stabilisation is working. I really love the amount of details taken by using zoom or 40MP sensor on P20 Pro but I think that I won't have time to adjust anything in PRO Mode everytime.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] szlaga:
https://pocketnow.com/huawei-p20-pro-photographers-guide

Here is a link to the article with which I agree. They should make software better instead of adding sensors. :D That often oversharpening when using normal mode is a killer for me.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
https://imgur.com/a/O4YSkmc

I know the Pixel 2 is supposed to be better than the gen 1 but I have compared the Nexus 6P, the Pixel XL (both of which I still own) and a Pixel 2 (my brother's) and the differences are miniscule if even detectable,between the three Google phones. They're so good that you can still use the Nexus 6P to compare a current gen phone against it.

In any case, see my comparison above against the legendary Pixel XL. I think the P20 Pro did a superb job in the HDR department in 10mp mode. The 40mp has weaker HDR but better details without any oversharpening, often too soft in some areas even. So it's 10mp no AI for me. The telephoto lens has no rival, of course. I do not need to change settings, or lens. I just leave it in 10mp and fire. That's it. That's point and shoot enough for me. Unless I'm at night or I want to take a portrait shot.

The Pixel XL was very good above, but the Huawei exposed better and had better dynamic range in some shots. The Pixel XL was a little blurry at the edges.

I will upload some night shot comparisons another day?
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Rheumatoid:
This may be controversial, but although the P20 pro shots look fantastic on small screens and media devices such as phones and tablets, if I look at them on my PC with a decent hi-res monitor the shots from my Nexus 6, which was reported as not having the greatest camera, are much better most of the time with higher levels of detail. It also dealt with HDR in low light much better than the P20 although it couldn't compete with night mode which is pretty impressive. The P20 AI also has a tendency to overdo things making blue sky look overly blue (pretty and gives a wow factor for those who didn't actually see what the sky really looked like) and greenery sometimes ridiculously fluorescent - so it gets turned off if I want realism. So, overall I guess I am slightly disappointed. It does the job but is probably not all its cracked up to be.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
You need to shot in pro mode if you want less JPEG compression and more details,

Even better if you use RAW.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Rheumatoid:
I know the potential is there and sometimes use pro mode but very often I want a quick snapshot and the Nexus was generally better at that. If I want to play around with settings and get less compression and more detail I would tend to take a DSLR out.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
I would beg to differ. Have you seen the Imgur link I shared above? On a PC, the details are better on the P20 Pro. Also, the HDR is better in my opinion.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] neflictus:
The phone is just weak photo wise. They did all the marketing stuff and people bought it.

Just fix the god damn software Huawei.

Your photos suck.

After viewing the photos on a pc I feel like I am back in the 90’s, in a saved by the bell episode.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
It's either you didnt use it right

or maybe you are using 90's PC monitor :p

this phone is very strong photography wise, but only if you know how to use it

attached is sample shot, and an extreme cropping of it, detail is very good. i still can read the effin small letter on the building.

thow any other phone into same situation/shot. i bet 99% of it (and it user) will struggle. After all the camera will only be as good as the user.
[Huawei P20 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] otonieru:
seems like 2nd picture was not uploaded properly

(take note that am not talking about the white neon letter, but the small text bellow it)