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[Shift General] ferrett1968:
well...

the answer to the questions if it is possible to install a 3mm higher hdd without forcing is YES.

I also tryed to create a recovery partition on the original HDD with Acronis or DD but it didn't work.

I know it would be easyer but it doesn't seem to work.

I installed a new Vista Business and used the sn on the Battery cover. It works but I DO have problems with all the drivers.

Once all will be fixed in Vista I will partition the HDD to install Linux on it using the WONDERFUL Pof's suggests to make all the periferals work.

If any suggests please write it or at least....

wish me good luck ;-)
[Shift General] YannR:
Hello Ferrett,

Thanks for your feedback regarding 8mm HDD into Shift casing. Now, I will get one for sure! :) Thank you!

Regarding Recovery Partition : if you're mentionning the HPA one, I agree this is tricky and not so useful (as JEM wrote).

By the way, when comes to the installed Vista partition (the C: one), it shouldn't be a problem to get backed up and put back onto your 120GB HDD. Stating you have a bootable CD/USB Key with Acronis onboard, of course. I wonder what kind of issues you have been encountering here...

Because, as of today, Drivers availability remains a much more difficult problem to solve (meaning than solving the potential issue for extracting Vista partition from the 40GB HDD). Some drivers are just not available aside the original HTC installation and you will have some features not available until we get that solved.

Geting original Vista C: partition onto your new HDD is definitely the way to go. (and forget the HPA one)

Tell us why you haven't been able to succeed here.
[Shift General] ferrett1968:
well,

What I did up to now was:

- connect the 120 as usb device to the shift and to clone the disk with Acronis= no bbotable media;

- connect the 120 Gb hdd to another pc and using Acronis trying to recover the bkup partition = no way.

- create a complete DD of the 40 Gb on the 120 presuming to modify the partition dimension later= no way.

now I'm trying to recover an Acronis partition of the original 40 GB booting from an external cd mounting the 120 Gb in the shift as the internal HDD.

The reason why I'm doing it is that both the HDDs mounted as external usb aren't recognized as a NTFS FS. In details a fdisk determinates the presence of a ntfs but isn't able to identify the contents of it.

Hoping it could determinate a particular interaction between BIOS and HDD I'm doing as wrote abive.

Wish me good luck!!!

:-D
[Shift General] YannR:
It might be not related to the issue (NTFS partition not fully recognized) but, just to get the whole context here : what are you using as USB<>1.8' HDD adapter?

Let us know but this is the faster and efficient method. :)

Hope you plan to shoot some pictures for us (HDD and some screenshots)! :p
[Shift General] ferrett1968:
Ladyes an Gentlemen.....it WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The solution for me was:

- create a bk image with Acronis installed on the Shift (maybe it could work also if executed from a bootable media) on an external HDD;

- install phisically the new HDD on the Shift;

- booting from an Acronis bootable media restore the image on the HDD that you've installed on the Shift.

P.S.

During the recovery I didn't resize the partition. I will resize it later.

So at the moment seems to work and :

It is possible to upgrade the 40 Gb HDD to a 120 Gb !!!!

Cheers
[Shift General] YannR:
Many thanks, Ferrett! :D

This was the final confirmation I needed :

I just ordered a Toshiba MK1011GAH (100GB) (easier to get in France)! :)
[Shift General] jarbi:
Hi Everyone,

This is the one of the most exciting threads in this forum so far ! Thanks for all pioneers, I started the upgrade of HDD too. 120GB drive is hopefully arriving this week.

I did the following:

1. Installed Acronis and created a bootable memory stick drive with Acronis on it.

2. Did a Vista initialization ( Fn+ F3 ) and stopped it when the recovery partition was copied back to the visible partition, so I didn't start Vista reinstallation.

3. Made an image of this partition using an external HDD & the Acronis bootable stick, both connected to the 3-port USB hub of my Shift ( I have powered it with a mini USB charger ).

This was resulting in a 12 Gb image, so I can use it in the future as "initial" installation when the new HDD gets corrupted.

4. Installed Vista + SP1 + Windows updates + official Shift patches + Acronis, and made an image again, this time starting Acronis from Vista. It was done much quicker ( within half hour ), and it is a much more convenient starting point than the "initial" bootable partition.

Now I will buy the T5 screw driver and waiting for the HDD delivery :-)).

One more idea: I have ordered a zip-to-IDE connector, so the 40GB 1.8" drive can be inserted in a standard IDE USB housing which I already have.
[Shift General] YannR:
BE CAREFUL!!!

I've got my MK1011GAH this morning.

There is space to get 8 mm HDD into the Shift but expect to have to remove some rubber and you won't be able to avoid HDD being in direct in contact with the metalic shields of the WM board.

Also, the SIM reader is slightly compressed, making a little harder to insert the SIM.

Adding to that, the back cover will not be able to be in close contact with the part holding the battery area black sticker (approx. 0.5 mm space, visible at the left side of the SIM reader). Nothing dramatic... BUT definitely, replacing a 5 mm height HDD by a 8 mm one into a Shift is a challenge!

Basically, I don't recommend you to do it. Pressure on the WM part, lower vibration protection by removing significant part of the rubber, constraints on the casing...

(By the way, my 100GB HDD is faulty. Asking for RMA... :( )
[Shift General] jarbi:
I have my 120Gb HDD built in !

Hi Everyone,

Finally my 120Gb Toshiba HDD arrived, and this afternoon I took the plonge - replaced the original HDD ! Writing this message already on the freshly installed device :-)).

Following the disassembling instructions I could open the case, and removed the 40 Gb harddisk. BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL WITH THE LOCK OF THE ZIF CONNECTOR ! I almost broke mine, it is very fragile.

To my biggest surprise, I could put back the rubber protection around the new drive as it was, and - well, with some extra tension - I could place it in the housing, with all screws tightened ! So I didn't remove any of the protections, and I could assemble my Shift. No problem with the SIM-card, I can insert it and remove it as before. I can also move the screen as before, no deformations.

I had a fresh Acronis image, so I reloaded this one booting Acronis from an USB stick. The image was on an USB-HDD. I powered up the USB hub of my Shift, than connected both the USB-stick and the external HDD to it. This part was a piece of cake.

It is an encouraging experience, but I wouldn't advise it to someone with shaking hands. Worst case it still can happen that something will go wrong later, but hey, let's be a bit optimistic !

To demonstrate the HDD change, see the picture below showing the new capacity.
[Shift General] JayRayMee.NL:
Congrats!!
[Shift General] YannR:
Jarbi,

This is weird: I had really hard times to close the casing without having the HDD applying a pressure on the SIM Card reader and the other shielded components...

Did you take some pictures? I would be very interested to see some...
[Shift General] jarbi:
YannR,

I also needed to press the SIM reader and surrounding, but it doesn't seem to be a dangereosly strong pressure. For my feeling the pressure is distributed over the under side surface of the HDD, so hopefully harmless. Unfortunately I didn't take pictures, but my WM part is also working without problem, let's hope it stays like this ;-).
[Shift General] Pantaloonie:
Do you have a link to the drive you bought?
[Shift General] jarbi:
This is the shop:

http://xentronics.click2shop.be/C2S_Products/C2S_ProdDetailsL3.ASP?ref=57309430

The drive is Toshiba MK1214GAH
[Shift General] nectons2000:
Apple iPod Classic 160GB

Anyone knows what drive is inside this mp3 player from Apple.? Somewere read that is a 8mm thick 1.8" hdd drive.. That will so cool if it is possible to take off the hdd from iPod and swap it with the Shift's 40gb drive.. So you get for 300 bucks the iPod and swaping disks its very cool.

Anyone ?
[Shift General] Ommog:
How's about this drive.

Samsung HS080HB (5mm) 80GB

http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...up=72&type=60&subtype=68&model_cd=304&tab=fea

It's included in Trekstor DataStation microdisk.

http://www.trekstor.de/de/products/detail_hdd.php?pid=20&page=1
[Shift General] akeulerz:
Hi,

i've done my update today :-)

Unmounting the Keyboard is tricky but afterall 1 Hour an i've got an Shift with 120 GB HDD

Andi
[Shift General] jarbi:
Congrats Andy, now we are in the same camp . I have also a 120 Gb Shift since a week, works without any problems.

Enjoy the large space !
[Shift General] zan5hin:
Toshiba have a 5200 rpm drive announced Feb 08 that was supposed to be in production in April, the model is MK1216GSG. Press Release http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2008_02/pr2601.htm

Samsung have announced a 4200rpm 160GB drive in 2007.

I cannot find either of these drives for sale anywhere in the world! Are they all being gobbled up by Apple and PMPs or what? I really would like to grab one.
[Shift General] Yakman:
Hi there I'm new to the forum and have just been following the discussion and saw the Toshiba anouncement today. I found the Toshiba MK1617GSG listed as available on the US web page http://www.sdd.toshiba.com/main.asp...rives/MKxx17GSGSeries/MKxx17GSGSpecifications

No price listed but I bet it's bloody expensive.
[Shift General] Pfeffa-rah:
Hi,

I am about to order a disk.

Just one question.

I read about a ZIF connector but some of you write about a LIF connector....

Now what do I need..... or are they one and the same???

grtz,

Pfeffa-rah
[Shift General] hmdshmds:
Any confirmation!

This is really cool idea.. anybody try it ?
[Shift General] YannR:
I've got my MK1011GAH back. Now, installed into HTC Shift and up and running.

Still... I do not recommend such "upgrade". Mechanical situation is becoming degraded and direct vibrations can be transmitted from back cover, up to WM board via the 8mm HDD. Try to stick with a 5mm height HDD/SSD...
[Shift General] motoi_bogdan:
good. i see you guys haave taken the uprgading process one step ahead of what i was doing 1 month ago. that's good. Now people know for sure that you can stuck a 120gb hdd in the shift and it will work.

one more word of advice. a 8mm hdd will fit there and as Yannr said, there are some things to be carefull with. I have one more note to make, underneath the hdd and especially the side with the ribbon connector there is a main connector between the x86 and the wm side. It is fixed by some of the screws that also hold the casing and hdd in place. Be carefull with that one, if you apply to much pressure when you install the hdd, or the hdd itself applies pressure on that zone the contact may become loose and all hell will brake out of the little shift. Happened to me one time. However if you experience the shift making strange things like no display image, random led operations and stuff like that, you will know where to search the problem.

Some of you asked me how to remove the keyboard... and ... i still don't know how to to explain that. Maybe some of you with better english skills will take a try.

One more thing for the guys who had allready opened the shift. Make sure you place the keyboard at a straight angle back in the shift. if it's angled, even slightly the sliding mechanism will scrath it and the letter markings on it.
[Shift General] YannR:
Thanks for these additional advices, Facdemol. :)

My main concern is definitely the persistent pressure applied on the SIM card reader as the 8mm Heigh HDD is directly sitting on it. Even if this is not the more fragil area of the WM side, we have now a "new" mechanical link, not really planned by HTC engineers... The Shift now requires extra cautiousness when carried around. :cool:

Regarding the keyboard, I would like to remind to some : there is a square hole on the back of the Shift, once the battery cover is removed, near the SIM reader, that you can use to push gently, with a screwer, the back of the keyboard, in order to have a corner liberated from the case. Do that with the display slided out, of course.

It makes things much easier but still the keyboard is very fragil piece of hardware so don't bend it. Be cautious. :rolleyes:

But... But... It's so nice to have now enough storage on-board! :D
[Shift General] TRoN_1:
Is this the drive in Apple's 160GB iPod?

http://www.storage.toshiba.eu/index_techspec.php?pid=220

8mm :)
[Shift General] jarbi:
120 GB Shift still working fine

Hi,

Just for the record: since my HDD upgrade about 3 weeks ago I have my Shift still perfectly working. The only change I have made was that I have made the two inner rubber corners of the HDD thinner by cutting of a small layer of it. This has lowered the pressure on the motherboard, and after that my Shift is still happily working.
[Shift General] TRoN_1:
Is your 120GB HDD 8mm? Does anyone know if the 160GB in the iPod 8mm?

Thanx
[Shift General] aquasesh:
Im just holding out until this is released...hopefully LIF connector

http://www.slashgear.com/super-talent-18-inch-sata-120gb-ssd-for-679-0311867.php
[Shift General] jarbi:
Yes, it is 8mm. Since all works fine, I stopped worrying about this and just using it
[Shift General] YannR:
:D Same here... So far, no problem with my 100GB. Of course, I'm a little bit extra cautious.
[Shift General] Pfeffa-rah:
oooh yessss, I'd like one of those :)
[Shift General] marco.catelli:
will the super talent have the right connectors? it's very cool and cheap for what it offers!

I pray it will fit!!!
[Shift General] Pfeffa-rah:
I think it has the wrong connector :(

http://www.supertalent.com/products/ssd_detail.php?type=MasterDrive%20KX#

Isn't that a standard SATA connector?
[Shift General] t.brumm:
Hello, would this work?

http://www.sdd.toshiba.com/main.aspx?Path=StorageSolutions/1.8-inchHardDiskDrives/MK6028GAL

It has only 60 GB, but it has 5mm thickness.

The only difference I found is:

2Mbytes Buffer instead of 8Mbyte

ATA-7 interface instead of ATA-6 interface.

Thank You!
[Shift General] avelino.galvez:
toshiba 80G

Hi, somebody knows something about the toshiba MK8025GAL 80GB?.

the height is 5mm? and the connector is ok for the shift?
[Shift General] alex_time:
The specifications says 5mm (http://sdd.toshiba.com/main.aspx?Pa...dDiskDrives/MK8025GAL/MK8025GALSpecifications) I do not know about connector but it is ATA7
[Shift General] Pfeffa-rah:
Where to buy

I can't seem to find any store that has the right drives...

I'd like the MK1214GAH 120GB one or maybe even the 160GB one, if the price it right.

Does anyone know where I could order one of those from the netherlands?

greetz,

Pfeffa-rah
[Shift General] Pfeffa-rah:
Kick

Anyone? I've been searching the internet for days now, and I can only order it from the U.S.A. but they don't seem to have it in stock there even.

If you know a (web) shop in europe. (pref NL, BE or D (GER) ) plz let me know.

Pfeffa-rah (*on his knees begging*)
[Shift General] armitas:
Open my shift to Hdd Change

Hi, you look a Experienced User.....Could you help me, please?

Im several days to try to open the back of the Shift.

I'd already unscrew the 6 visible screws, but still impossible to take it off. Looks like there are more screws....but I see noone more.

Please.....a little help!

Armas
[Shift General] YannR:
I can only recommend to have a close look to this thread :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=405219
[Shift General] GuardianZX9:
I ordered one of these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=180290119397

It lists as 8mm so I am going to pull the shock boot from the 5mm drive and use soft foam for the new drive.

I will post pictures when I get the drive in.

G
[Shift General] armitas:
Thanks and adding a litle info.

Thanks to anyone help me.

I already open it with your help.

Take a look in

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=387892

Cause, there are somo info about HDD compatibility I'd add.

Again, thanks!

Armas.
[Shift General] alex_time:
Can i power it with the HTC Tytn II charger?

And about the Acronis bootable stick, how do get it? Can I use my 4gb kingston pen drive?
[Shift General] armitas:
Power Usb And Usb Image Boot Util

:eek: Alex; I will not try to power the USB hub with the Shift Power: Usb needs 5V and Shift Power is 12V.

About the other question: Yes, :D You can Use even 2GB UsB stick to prepare a Image Autorun Utility;

- Find a utility called: "USB Disk Storage Format" (Use google)

- Use the before utility to Format the Stick (in Bootable option).

- If you don´t have the own one, find a Bootable CD by emule or Torrent (I Use Ghost 11 boot cd, but should be the same other utility)

- Copy boot cd to the Stick (even all Hidden)

But NOT:

-overwrite IO.SYS

and

YES delete JO.SYS from USB Drive

But not: delete IO.SYS from USB Drive

From there, you will have that you are looking for.:D You can Do a FULL Hd backup of the SHIFT Hidden and not Hidden Partitions.

Good Luck!
[Shift General] GuardianZX9:
Ok, so it seems that all the 160Gig iPod drives are SATA and not compatible with the Shift, I think the largest PATA IDE drive is 120Gig but I can only find the part number for the 100Gig unit, I will look some more tomorrow.

So the 160Gb drive will definately NOT work in the Shift as the cable types are completely different.

Anyone have a smaller 5.5G ipod they want to upgrade? I have a spare 160G drive available :)

G
[Shift General] Pfeffa-rah:
There I go.

OK, I got my drive yesterday.

Since apparently I am meant to stay in this weekend, (Rock-climbing cancelled, too late to go to tke Koempoelan, and struck down with a nasty cold....), I'm gonna try and install it AND make it a dualboot with Ubuntu linux too.

That should keep me busy for most of the weekend. :)

grtz,

Pfeffa-rah
[Shift General] Pfeffa-rah:
Hi,

Very frustrating,

All went remarkably well, until I wanted to boot from my new drive.

I made a drivesnapshot and managed to get it on my new drive by booting BartPE from a USB drive. However it won't boot from the hdd.

I used another USB drive to boot Ubuntu live and check the hdd, build a partition, format it etc. but it didnot help.

I now have a 120 GB HDD with ALL my vista files on it that I van see from BartPE and/or Ubuntu, but I can't get it to boot :((

I guess I need to "fix" the MBR and/or the bootsector, but I can't find a way to do it. The XP tools don't work, and Vista-tools don't run under XP (BartPE) or Ubuntu...

Any clues anyone?

Update:

I am now trying if VistaPE can help. First have to download a Vista image :( (only 2Mbit download on my new adress :( )
[Shift General] armitas:
Putting On the Bootable Bit on a HDD.

Try to find on the manufacturer HDD web the "format HDD utility", then start again the process; Format the HDD, preparing the partitions as you want BUT DON'T FORGET MARK AS ACTIVE the hdd.

Later on, you should put the vista files.

Other solution: Find the old aplication under MS-DOS, "FDISK". Inside there are a not destructive Option to "Mark the HDD as Init HDD or Bootable" (or some like that). In this way you don't have to re-charge your OS files.

If the problen is the boot, one of this solutions have to run for you.

Good luck.

In 10 days i will recive my HDD and I will see this deeper.

Armas
[Shift General] Pfeffa-rah:
It's booting now!

Hi,

Thanks for your reaction.

I really hoped that just setting the drive to active, would be enough... I tried this from ubuntu, from bart PE and now also from VistaPE. It didn't help.

In VistaPE I found the recovery console. (had to search some time to find it.)

When I started it, it immediately said it fount boot problems and offered to fix it and reboot.

And it did just that, it fixed it, and rebooted! great!

And it only took me about 16 hours :/

Well, It's booting now, so now I'll try and get ubuntu on the same drive. (that might take me another 16 hours.)

greetz,

Pfeffa-rah

----

some anoying problems with ubuntu, but that is for another thread. The HDD works.
[Shift General] armitas:
Great Pfeffa-rah!

Im glad of your success....

This message you wrote, rememember me, there are some sentences to write to do the same from win console. But if you found a way from GUi,.... ;) ... Who wants a poor and complicated Linux? JAJAJAJAJA

You should remember; the best way to "marry" linux on a Vista HDD is if they have separate partitions. ¿Did you so, my friend?

Good Luck.

PD: Remember you can install on the sd slot or USB key a full Madriva, for example, as I did. Less problems for you and if at the end you don´t like....trash it and your system keeps clear.

There are a very very high speed memos like class 6 and 133x. 4GB is enoght....But dont be Mr Scrunch: Better a 8gb memory.

PD2: Easy way to get into the recovery console on Vista: Connecta a usb Cdrom drive, start from it (selecting in bios), and press F8 at start of the load. (I don remember if F8 or F?, but one function Key is). Sorry In this moment I have a Server 2003 in my hands and I can´t try it. (Newbies: F keys function only when pressed + Fn Key .... I saw several mssgs that saying "F key dont run"
[Shift General] bluesbrothers93:
Hello all

Do you know if there is SSD avaible for the shift ?

my preocupation is the risk of breaking the HD
[Shift General] armitas:
Needs

Hi, Bluesbrothers93;

Should be, cause there are few mini-laps with it in original manufacturation.

In any case, the only one needs you must (check in the HDD SSD datasheet) are: a) 2,5" b)Lif connector.

The other....runs...

mmmmm...risk of breack (wich one, the original or the ssd?)

Good luck and dont forguet comunicate us your advances about.

Best regards.
[Shift General] bluesbrothers93:
be sure that i will report here any progress i'll make

thank you
[Shift General] Pfeffa-rah:
Hi Armitas

Yeah, but I couldn't boot vista and WinPE is XP and made a XP MBR that did nothing right for Vista...

Yes I did. It worked, There were just some problems within ubuntu. But it did run and MOST of it worked.

I used Ubuntu 8.04 LiveCD from a USB stick. Works great. I will keep the stick!

Didn't have one and I didn't have a Vista CD. That is why I used VistaPE from a USB stick. The nice thing is that I now can boot 3 OS form USB stick: 1 Ubunt, 2 Windows XP (Bart PE) 3 Vista. So, I got something back for the time I "wasted"

Greetz,

Pfeffa-rah
[Shift General] Pfeffa-rah:
They are VERY VERY expensive!

I chose to make regular backups and when de HDD breacks, I buy a new one.

Yoy can buy 5 120GB HDD's for the proce if ONE 64GB SSD.

greetz,

Pfeffa-rah
[Shift General] armitas:
Welcome to the club!

Yes, Pfeffa-ra....so difficult is our life.....Most of us we already knew the ssd prices....

Over the paper looks wonderfull....but with the actual prices and capatities, we can buy two 1.8 standard Hdd...

We have to wait, hehehe.

Welcome to the club!

My recomendation: Prepare a fine sistem, (with your "allways installed software) and BEFORE you do something whith, do a image.

Im waiting for my HDD (they have a 2 weks delay -spain is so-) and i will write my experience.

Best Regards!
[Shift General] Pfeffa-rah:
SIM-card

Hi,

It turned out that I had some SIM-card problems after I switched the HDD.

I put in the original rubber protection. The pressure on the sim-card slot interfered with the locking mechanism, so my shift didn't see the SIM-card.

I replaced the original rubber with some other dampening very thin material. And now I evrything works just fine and the pressure on the casing is much less. Actually, there is almost no pressure.

I just hope the new material won't melt :)

Greetz,

Pfeffa-rah
[Shift General] alex_time:
What do you think about this Samsung 5mm hard drive? http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...l_cd=317&dType=G&mType=UM&tab=down&ppmi=1160#

It should be better than use a +0.3mm Toshiba isnt'it?! (In fact mine is broken :()