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[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] Socialnotworking:
Not a point an shoot quite yet

I would say the Samsung Note 8 or S8/9 are easier to use but the colours on the P20 Pro seem more realistic once you have disabled AI.

If you like to work in Pro mode and use the manual focus you can get some very good results on the P20 Pro but everything set to auto and its random whether the shot works out or not.

In particular for close ups manual focus is infinitely more effective than trying to wait for the auto focus which sometimes fails completely.

If you use the P20 Pro like you would a camera the depth of abilities are way up there but AI doesn't quite work well enough yet to provide reliable results.

Remember DX0 is only about sensors not ease of use or UI etc its just about sensor performance.

My 2p worth..
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] Tiger33:
After more playing around with the p20 pro i've come to the conclusion that its not for me.

I'm more of a point and shoot guy and the p20 pro is too random with its pictures to really be a good point and shoot.

I'm going to stick with the pixel 2 xl, and would advise anyone looking for a simple point and shoot camera to look elsewhere.

P.S Surely the LG V30's manual mode is superior to the p20 pro if you want to play with manual settings?
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] otonieru:
I would agree with you, if you simply need a point and shoot camera. Pixel 2 XL wil do better for you :)

P20 Pro, just like the "Pro" moniker it bring along, will suit a seasoned photographer more.

As for manual mode conparison between LG v30 and P20, i would say, no. LG is nowhere close to huawei manual/pro mode. But again, that is a subjectivity. Someone who were common with a DSLR / Mirrorless camera manual set up, will appreciate huawei software more. Since it resemble their old "real" camera gear more. DxO is quite an oldtimer in photography area, and what they did with their test, is what normally a photographer will do as well. Unfortunately, thats not always the case with the rest of mobile phone user. Thats why the result is oftenly unrelateable.

Btw, before you actually ditch your P20 pro, can you give it one more chance, but this time,

Try to shoot everything using night mode (even in daylight). I think you will find the result totally different with your previous experience.

Thats all i can suggest for now. If you wonder, why nigh mode ?? Maybe this video can help you get a better idea : [youtube]5W2MTmv-pN8[/youtube]
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] mudnightoil:
I don't think the number of settings and the options given to the photographer are nearly as good with LG. Huawei are in a class of their own in that regard, at the moment. UI can definitely be improved a bit though.

Also, the V30 uses a tiny 1/2.9" sensor, like the iPhones.
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] Tiger33:
Right, I've created a very quick group in flickr with some pictures taken with both p20 pro and pixel 2 xl.

would love to get your opinions.

In all cases i'm just using Auto with no AI for the P20 Pro,

https://www.flickr.com/groups/3151832@N21/

Again in my eye the pixel 2 xl is 'alot' better than the P20 Pro ( bad photographer? = me )

So yes i just pointed, focused and shot the picture.

Just using auto and no AI for the pictures too.

let me know if you think i should adjust settings and i'll continue making adjustments.

I have a few more days with phone before making final decision.
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] Tiger33:
I've added another 3 pictures to the group

https://www.flickr.com/groups/3151832@N21/

1 taken with pixel 2 xl

1 taken with p20 pro auto

1 taken with p20 pro night mode (as suggested earlier)

Night mode just appears to oversharpen the image badly IMO?? , whilst auto is too soft

Picture 7 - P20 Pro - Night Mode

Picture 7 - P20 Pro - Auto

picture 7 - Pixel 2 XL
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] Jonathan-H:
Looks to me very close although I think the P20 shots on Auto are a slightly over exposed but have less noise and the Pixel shots are better exposed but have more noise.

I would say the P20 will be better for night shots if you are happy waiting 6 seconds for a shot, but the Pixel 2 XL will take better auto day time shots.
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] otonieru:
iI've checked your album,

and i would agree that the roof top auto result from P20 Pro is lPretty bad. Sky was overblown. And pedestrian area is not looks that good as well. But for the night mode shoot, i wont say that as an oversharpen image though. The detail on trhe brick is quite good, sky is not clipping, and in overall, it has less noise compared to the pixel 2XL.

same case with ST. Pancras shot, i would say that in term of detail and noise level, P20 pro has an advantage here. You can check the detail on the top decoration, as well as near the ceiling. While Pixel 2 XL already abit of smudgy because of the noise, P20 result still showing the fine detail. So am not sure what you mean by "soft". (check my attachment to understand which area am talking about)

what confused me is the dinning room shot. I check the ISO and Shutter Speed of both shot. And in both shoot, Pixel 2 using faster shutter speed and lower ISO, yet the result is much darker in P20 Pro shot. This doesn't really go well with a photography theory, LoL. Slower speed and higher ISO should always resulting abrighter image. Yet the P20 Pro image is so bad at retaining the dark area.

May i know some details from you :

1. How do you point your focus/metering ? Do you always focus on same area/spot when shooting using the two phones ?

2. What resolution did you use on P20 Pro ? 40MP or 10MP ? 40MP use full resolution, but will deject the post processing, causing softer & darker image, but good for self post editing. But will looks bad if you plan to use the picture directly. In contrary, 10MP will use the post processing engine more, resulting in more pleasant picture for mobile use.
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] otonieru:
Sorry i left the attachment
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] Tiger33:
Yep that is what was so frustrating, I noticed the night shot of St pancras Hotel sign and could see it looked do much better yet that was the only example

All other pictures the pixel looked better

I'm using 10MP and I'm focusing on the same area with both phones
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] scook94:
Which images are taken with which phone?
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] otonieru:
Warmer tone is P20 Pro
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] scook94:
Images 2&4? They certainly seem the superior pictures.
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] Neo_Sk8eR:
So far I'm not too wowed by the camera either :/

Hoping to learn to use it properly because some sample shots I've seen look amazing but I can't seem to get anything like that.
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] otonieru:
Thats P20 pro, yes. And in that picture, its indeed superior. But in another shot in the album, the result were so bad am wondering what happen in the process :silly:

---------- Post added at 03:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:11 PM ----------

In a normal way of testing camera,

We normally would use same speed, apperture and ISO between both camera and try to shoot same scene, and later checking the results. Thats the fair and straight way for comparison

Unfortunately, pixel doesnt have manual mode.

So, you gonna need to do it this way :

Shoot using pixel first,

Check the image info for shutter speed, apperture and iso information. If possible, also check the white balance info.

Now go to P20 pro, and set it to PRO (manual) mode, and put all the same value as pixel, and shoot

Then, compare the result. This way you can prevent the light mettering "marginal error"

But again, i dont think this actually need to be that hard. LoL

Can you make another sub album, but now, shoot using AI instead.

---------- Post added at 04:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:49 PM ----------

Also,

You might want to try to ask [MENTION=241112]gavinfabl[/MENTION] regarding this phone camera,

His thread here : https://xdaforums.com/huawei-p20-pro/how-to/photos-huawei-p20-pro-share-fantastic-t3774488/page2 is full of amazing picture
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] Tiger33:
Nope i'm good thanks,

For my needs the p20 pro is not for me at all.

The images are just not pleasing to my eyes (each to their own i guess).

I took so many pictures yesterday compared to the Pixel, and every time the Pixel pictures just seemed better.

I went back and checked the dxomark scores for this phone too and noticed this

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/image...e3fd6d5202e352d3d59ea172199ff0efa2b355d9d.jpg

and really this is my conclusion too, when you really inspect the images they are soo soft. The lack of stabilisation in 4K video is really the big factor for me - i could live with 'soft' images (as the zoom is great), but I do take alot of video :(
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] Tiger33:
p.s just for reference folks , i am actually a big fan of huawei phones (i used to have the p10 and mate 9) , which is why I was so kine to try the p20 out but really it just isn't for me :(

(i'll stick with the pixel)
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] paysen:
No need to defend yourself here. Even though there are objective reasons why a camera is or should be better, personal preference won't be affected much by that. Not saying the pixel 2 is worse since I don't own one.

But some people love oversaturated pictures and prefer them over a natural picture. Or warm colors vs a colder color temperature. Some people want it oversharpened. Some people need a powerful manual mode, some people want full auto shooting etc etc. To each his own.
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] otonieru:
No worry mate, there's no need to defend anything here. Am a pixel 2 user as well, and i would agree, for daily snapper, it suite much better. :good:
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] Tiger33:
Thanks folks.
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] vessk0:
Hello, I've made a quick comparison between P20 Pro stock auto mode and then I've added a pure RAW to JPG conversion (to check the output of the sensor+lens combo) and the final image is the same RAW file color graded for just 2mins in Adobe Camera RAW.

STOCK 10Mp AUTO mode (supersampling).........................................................RAW DNG -> JPG (no corrections; 50% downsampling).................................................RAW DNG -> (color graded; 50% downsampling)
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] jaju123:
Would be great to also get some HDR mode comparisons. For me, 40mp is kind of overkill and I like the 10mp mode due to the enhanced dynamic range. I am still not able to figure out whether, if you turn off AI mode, the camera still does auto-HDR. Sometimes it says "hold still to sharpen the photo" when you take it and that may be some kind of HDR - I am not sure? It certainly seems to take HDR-like photos when it does that.

Attached are two photos, one in HDR and one not. The HDR one seems kind of "washed out" to me? Not sure what's going on there.

[IMG="HDR"]http://images2.imagebam.com/7e/f8/eb/6e3b6b815773523.jpg[/IMG]
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] quark-lepton:
Dxomark mobile is just nothing else than an advertisement. I am surprised that this isn't obvious for many people as the ratings are published during the announcement of the phone. Sadly many reviewers and journalists know nothing about cameras, so they basically just repeat Dxomark's conclusions. It's not possible to judge by numbers what the best camera is. Each camera has different and unpredictable strengths, so in theory you would need to change the rating system for every phone. Or do you think there is a "phone explodes" rating for the Note 7?

From what I have seen on the web I would say that the P20 Pro has great dynamic range in Night mode in low light conditions. Though it's much slower than Google's HDR+ which delivers very similar results. It also leads to awful ghosting. HDR+ has so good algorithms that it's nearly impossible to notice ghosting. And don't forget that there is also the HDR+ enhanced mode. In good light conditions Huawei's Auto mode as well as Huawei's Night mode don't seem to be as good as Google's HDR+.

Furthermore Huawei's 10 megapixel images don't have as much detail as a Galaxy S9. Look at gsmarena's studio comparison. Huawei never confirmed that it downsamples. Gsmarena's studio comparison would rather indicate pixel binning (this is not the same as downsampling!) due to moiré. This indicates that you get about the same result as a 10 megapixel sensor.
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] paysen:
German review but you can still look at the pictures. No night mode sadly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWXKp817fJI
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] NZtechfreak:
The HDR shot is better exposing the dark areas, and the more uniform brightness has the effect of washing out the colours. You have to decide what you want, the moodier non-HDR shot, or the HDR shot? HDR won't always be the best way to capture a wide dynamic range scene in terms of producing the best shot, sometimes a moodier representation of the scene in front of you may be the more pleasing image. A simple 5s edit to the HDR shot to adjust saturation and colour and/or darken the shadows to your liking may produce the best balance for your preferences (edit photo and select the adjust button, simple sliders with a comparison button let you compare your edits with the original). I tend to at least lightly retouch pretty much all good images from my Mate 10.
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] 0932:
Taken using P20 Pro
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] comediiian:
damn .. really nice shots .. all done with 10 MP auto mode?

anything changed or edited?
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] watspeds:
Faulty Camera?

just got my huawei p20 pro last saturday and i was really disappointed with the camera. it's like taken from a phone with 5mp/8mp camera. all camera settings produced a soft and overly smoothed pictures on the rear and front cam. really not worth the price. i don't know it its the faulty camera or hardware defect but really annoying that my iphone 6s took a better photos than huawei p20 pro. :(
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] nic85:
u definitely have a faulty camera
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] all the pugs:
Try photographing something in "pro mode". This doesn't overly smooth or sharpen the images. The internal processing/noise reduction is very aggressive in auto mode. I can see the processing artefacts in many example images here in this forum, but most people just don't seem to bother, which is fine. I think the P20 Pro's camera can produce stunning images if you look at them only on small screens, but if you zoom in or transfer them to your computer (which - omg - could have a 4K display), it's a different story.
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] Magnus3D:
You as a user of the P20 Pro has to understand the uses of the different modes and what Huawei intended when they created them, if you don't then it's easy to just claim it to be faulty and poorly working. It's not meant to replace your DSLR or mirrorless camera although in some situations the quality may come close to a lowend mirrorless camera.

From my understanding the normal Auto mode with it's 10 mpix is for the average user to get a good enough shot to post directly to whatever social media they use without any need for editing. It's simply a SOOC mode (Straight Out Of Camera).

The Night mode is meant for the average normal user to be able to get good enough shots in low light situations without the need to post process them or use a tripod, it's meant to just work without much trouble for the user.

The same applies to Portrait and Aperture modes, they should produce good enough photos SOOC for the average user.

However the Pro mode is meant for the rest of us who wants more out of the camera, for us who wants to mess with the settings to get exactly the shot we want. It's the M mode on DSLR's. It also provides a straight sensor dump without any internal post processing applied to it.

If i'm going to be honest about this i think it's working as expected for a majority of users of this device, it's exactly what they want and it's exactly what they got. Sure i agree the sharpening should still be toned down further and i hope it will be and the noise reduction is still a bit aggressive. But besides those two negative remarks it is one very solid device even for those of us who are experienced photographers. I myself got a background as a photographer with 20+ years experience and i enjoy the P20 Pro a lot and even use it for some work.

/ Magnus
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] all the pugs:
You are perfectly spot on. The only thing that makes me sad that it's not possible to get HDR DNGs from Lightroom mobile. This would make the P20 Pro so extremly powerful.
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] starbase64:
Someone has tested xposed with device faker for dng support in lightroom?
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] Jonathan-H:
Yours is faulty or you're not comparing side by side with another flagship. I have compared my P20 pro side by side with identical photos with my Pixel 2 XL and S9+ and it beats them both almost every single time in every way. Only thing the S9+ beats it at is close up photos of flowers and bugs.

The P20 pro is sharper, better depth of field, better dynamic range, better colours, less noise, more details, better zoom.

The P20 pro is more like an SLR than a phone. I take 90% of my photos on Aperture mode as well as it's so damn good.
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] sniper20:
Camera is a charm.....

Sent from my Huawei P20 PRO
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] saayinla:
Are there any case in the wild that offers better protection around the camera? Currently using the TPU case that came in the box and while I like it, i am not able to place the phone on a flat surface as I believe the edges of the camera is exposed and would like to keep that from scratches and damages. If anyone has or knows of a case which better protects the camera, I ll be interested.

Thanks in advance.
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] esiemi:
not yet, got the spigen Rugged Armor, the lens is too flush with the case. a drop on the back and the lens will crack
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] Bwfcmadlad17:
I was thinking the same thing. The lens sticks out at the back and the case that comes with the phone just sits flush with this. I'm concerned about just lying the phone on to the table with the lens rubbing on something and getting scratched
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] Deano1889:
Interested to see what other people are going with. For now i'm using the in box clear case. Mobilefun seem to be the only place (UK) that have some options. Olixar brand have a few options but without reviews it's hard to tell how they'll fit. I know many case manufactures design cases before phones are released and working from a phone size spec doesn't always result in a good fitting case. Many of the case stock photo's i've seen have a mock P20 pro with a flat camera such as this one https://www.amazon.co.uk/Flexible-A...8&qid=1523214240&sr=8-7&keywords=p20+pro+case As previous posts have mentioned ideally I want the case to protect the protruding camera while still be slim.
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] esiemi:
got the Olixar FlexiShield from amazom too https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07BL27WMJ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

sent it back, a bit better than the huawei case, there is a lip around the camera, but its very minimal, about half millimeter, so as long as you palce the phone on a flat surface you should be ok, but not if dropped and the overall protection is very bad too, screen is pretty much unprotected,
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] landerson07:
I've got this one arriving tomorrow. From the photos it looks like it should have good camera protection.
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] Ereckson:
I found a few interesting cases on eBay. It'll be a week or two before they arrive. They're cheap and look like they offer better protection for the camera. I'll save spending big bucks for when something reliable shows up

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/112914026578
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] esiemi:
some pics would be great :)
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] J0ul3k:
I Ordered the Rugged Spigen Case and some Outdoor Case when i Ride with the Bike... arktis.de/arktispro-huawei-p20-pro-outdoor-armor-case-silber (Delivery 17.04.)
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] scook94:
I'd be a bit concerned with that one, the images are clearly mock-ups as they show all 3 cameras flush with the phone's rear which obviously isn't the case with this phone.
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] landerson07:
It arrived today and protection is good. Great fit, good grip, easy press buttons, good cut outs for speakers etc, nice lip to protect the screen and the rear lens is not quite flush so doesn't touch when placed back down on a table etc.

Bargain for the price and I'm very happy
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] Jamestdd:
I just got this case. I think AliExpress selling it for few USD... The camera lens is only slightly lower but will do for the time being while hunting for a better one like uag.
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] esiemi:
can also confirm this, much better than the spigen rugged armour
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] twe69:
Yeh I randomly ordered it as I didn't realise there was going to be a case inside the box. However am glad I did as its pretty sturdy and will absorb some of the impact. Also like how the gaps are not too large against the ports.
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] Vogal:
Usually i bought Spigen thin fit for all my phones, but, until now, they don't have for p20 pro.

I´m looking for something light and thin.
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] jccrawfo:
I bought some tempered glass protectors for the three lenses on aliexpress but they haven't arrived yet. Will post an update after I try them.
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] nibs777:
I received this one today and tbh it seems pretty good, nice fit and protects the lenses nicely round the back, only negative would be it doesn't have raised sides to protect the screen when face down

Anccer Huawei P20 Pro Case [Serie Matte] Resilient Shock Absorption and Ultra Thin Design Cover (Smooth Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BPGHDJS?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] walkerx:
I'm currently using the case that came with the phone, but I'm after the smart view case (have it on my Mate 10 Pro) and also after a screen protector as unlike the Mate 10 Pro, you don't get one :(
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] MixEvo:
I received my MOFI hard case and while it fits beautifully , it offers 0 protection for the dual cameras they are flush with the case. i also grabbed the MOFO full screen tempered glass and that also fit great but has left a "oil slick" look to the middle of the screen, i'm hoping this goes away after a few day. But if not i would shy away fro the MOFI stuff. ill post up if the screen spot goes away.
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] gknife_it:
I'm looking for a slim case with holes for a lanyard/wrist cord.

Any suggestions?

Thanks
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] nibs777:
Anccer Huawei P20 Pro Case [Serie Matte] Resilient Shock Absorption and Ultra Thin Design Cover (Smooth Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BPGHDJS?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

This has 2 little lanyard holes
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] Jamestdd:
Rock Case for P20pro...
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] gavinfabl:
Review of the best cases so far I've used for the Huawei P20 Pro

https://youtu.be/7lNfqdWBQsk
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] nibs777:
What do you think of the case so far?
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] Jamestdd:
The case look nice, showing off the glossy back of the phone, camera lens well cover. Front if put tempered glass, the glass will be slightly higher than the case. Because of the camera lens protection at the back, it's wouldn't be even if u put it on the table...
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] walkerx:
i got the huawei smart view case and happy with it
[Huawei P20 Pro Accessories] ch1lko:
Huawei hard silicon case works fine and protects the camera (more pictures)

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