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[Shift General] psiess:
POF...first let me say THANK YOU for all of your posts...your information on the Shift has been invaluable to me.

A question regarding your method for restoring the recovery partition. My recovery partition became corrupt after a botched install of Ubuntu. I have "Recovery Partition Contents.rar" from aquasesh.

Is there a way to make the files from the Recovery Partition in to the bin file you used in your procedure? Is the bin file a simple ISO image renamed to .bin?
[Shift General] Pfeffa-rah:
This one is also 8mm high... so already is +3mm...
[Shift General] bluesbrothers93:
Hello bis

i've got Samsung 64GB 1,8" SSD LIF 5mm

next step it's to put it inside my Shift

seem easy

but put Vista on it

seem more difficult

i try to boot from SD card or USB disk but they are not visible in the boot menu ?

to be continue......
[Shift General] Soween:
Hello BluesBrothers93,

I did something (not for the shift but it is exactly the same principle) recently : copied my 320Gb to a 500Gb with Alconis True Image and it is very simple and efficient.

I didn't have to install anything on my new hdd, just the "it copy" and I have now exactly the same disk but bigger, and it works perfectly right after the treatment...

See you
[Shift General] alex_time:
You are right, sorry, it is 5mm for 30/40/60/80 gb only...
[Shift General] kakemann:
How is it going Blues Brothers? If your results are good I think I'll try it out myself
[Shift General] deadnex:
1.8-inch MKxx31GAL HDD series

Does anyone know if the Toshiba MK2431GAH is available for purchase anywhere? 240GB on my Shift sounds sweet :)

They also have a 120 GB 5mm disk (MK1231GAL)
[Shift General] alex_time:
Someone told me that the 80Gb 5mm does not work with Pc but only with the ipod...I do not tink so but after that I have not bought it any more...maybe someone can tell us more
[Shift General] deadnex:
There is no reason why it shouldn't work. I'm using the 120GB MK1214GAH 8mm drive without any problems. Any of the MK2431GAH/1231GAL/MK8031GAL should work fine with the shift (as long as you remove some of the rubber shock absorber when you fit an 8mm drive).

I WAS WRONG. THE MK2431GAH/1231GAL/MK8031GAL ONLY SUPPORTS ATA3 AND ATA4 AND WILL NOT WORK.

I'm currently trying to find a store shipping the 240GB MK2431GAH.
[Shift General] deadnex:
MK2431GAH

I sent an email to Toshiba storage division Europe and asked when the 240GB MK2431GAH will be available for purchase. This is the reply;

I can't wait to get this HD for my shift:D
[Shift General] angelskiss:
You can get MK1231GAL for ebay.The following is the link.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Toshiba-MK1231G...ives_Storage_Internal?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116
[Shift General] cmats:
In the ad on ebay the seller whrote :

On Nov-28-08 at 21:05:58 PST, seller added the following information:

This hard drives not compatible with UMPC.Please make sure this HDD is what you need before you bid for it.
[Shift General] armitas:
Wrong.

I have a GAH series into my Shift. Is identical electrical and physical. Only difference: the thick. Even is better a GAL series (L=low (easy to fit) H=High (difficult but possible to fit: Sometimes can produce problems with the sim card lector -not in my mod-
[Shift General] cmats:
Thangs very mutch just the info for me too deside whits one to buy ;-)
[Shift General] cmats:
I have a litle problem ! i got the toshiba MK1231GAL on ebay but when i try to install windows it says there is no hd but i can se it in bios!

i found out on toshibas web site that the MK1231GAL is ata-3 and ata-4 but the original 40 gb hd is ata ata-5 and ata-6 could that be the problem?
[Shift General] cmats:
I just found this:

http://www.rapidrepair.com/shop/3118-hard-drive-disk-mk1231gal.html

It seems that you are wrong ? or are they wrong?

copyed from the link:

This drive is NOT compatible with PC or MAC. This cannot be used as an internal/external hard disk for anything other than an iPod/Zune. You take all risk for making this drive work in anything other than an iPod/Zune.

I hope they are wrong or else i just payd 155 dollars for a metal plate !!
[Shift General] cmats:
I can now confirm that the 1231gal wil not work with htc shift!!

it wil only work on ipod classic or microsoft zune!!

so now i have a 155 dollars useles metal plate :-(
[Shift General] esaf:
Just an idea. If you have spare HD not good for Shift, find an external USB box with suitable connector and you have again use for that.
[Shift General] deadnex:
What about buying something like this for the spare HD?

I sent an email to them and they confirmed that the enclosure should work with ATA-3 and ATA-4 disks;)
[Shift General] cmats:
Allready ordered one ;-)

by the way bought the same hd as you and i just booted fine the fitting was not any problem,removed a litle rubber and now a have a shift with 120 gb hd and a tiny 120 gb external hd :-)

Did you hear anything about the 240 gb toshiba hd ?
[Shift General] deadnex:
That's great man ;)

Unfortunately the 240GB Toshiba hd is also only ATA-4 compatible and will not work with the shift. 160GB is the biggest ATA-6 compatible disk I've seen so far... Not a Toshiba though...
[Shift General] t.brumm:
Success with new HDD

Hello to all, today I did insert a new hdd ( MK8025GAL) .

All the description here this forum did help me very much.

And now the recovery from USB drive is still working.

I am happy and thank all helpful posts.

Sorry for my poor english!

Wolf
[Shift General] koala996:
great ! and where have you bought it? and how much?
[Shift General] t.brumm:
Hi, i did buy it from ALTERNATE in germany, it costs 82 Euro with shipping.
[Shift General] hdbueller:
I got mine from Amazon for $82 USD with free shipping!!!!! :)
[Shift General] joy.d:
I buyed yesterday within ebay a mtron 1.8" zif2 ssd slc 32gb hdd with 100/100 Transferate.

i think the fastest ssd within our formfactor :-) I tell you if it not fit ;-)

btw: fast link to dismouting manual:

http://mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/HTC_CLIO_SM_A05_(GENERIC)_08_Apr.pdf
[Shift General] Bradaland:
link to a disassembly video: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3813010&postcount=41
[Shift General] joy.d:
Hi guys,

now I mount my new Mtron 1,8" PATA-ZIF2 HDD to HTC Shift...

F*** !! Never I seen before a fast restore from my Windows XP Acronis Backup like this!

Never I see a fast startup like this!

First I think: okay, some faster then normal... But this!!

Great!

Thank you for all your Manuals, Dismounting Guidew and so on.. :-)

Harddisk is working on Ulta-DMA-Mode 6. Great!

Now I try to install Windows 7 from USB Stick with the great tool:

WinSetupFromUSB :-)

BTW: the Vent is now not longer running on Full speed, now it is running with middle Speed (much more silent) :-)
[Shift General] big.ed:
anyone get the RAM upgraded to 2GB yet?? i've searched all over the forums and cant find anything new since 2008!
[Shift General] x5-rwk:
Will this 240GB hard drive work and fit in the shift? It is listed at an 8mm disk not a 5mm but I know others have installed 8mm drives in their shift. Still have the original 40GB drive and want to upgrade to at least 120GB but would love to go to 240GB and install windows 7.
[Shift General] bad67boy:
Hi my Dear,

you are telling us that someone had installed on shift an hard drive 240GB with 8mm thick, please could you confirm it? I'm not sure to understood well, or their intention is to install the 240GB but never try. Thank's a lot.
[Shift General] trungvn1790us:
hi bro,

tks for your helpfull sharing, it's worth to me. but i have some questions that need u and everyone help to solve the case.

Last week, i also got mistake with the 40GB internal hard drive corrupt after falling down to the floor. And now just bought a new 80Gb hard drive. BUT, inspire of doing like your way showing above, i borrowed my friend's SHIFT and started to GHOST his Partition to IMAGE into a USB - HardDrive 320GB (the IMAGE is over 14GB in original size)

Now i'm trying to restore via Partition FROM IMAGE inside GHOST programme but can not do this. The Ghost program can not realize the USB-Hard drive and results of this.. I can not choose the IMAGE to perform GHOST "Partition from IMAGE".

Do u have any experience to share or advices to me, bro?

Appreciate your helps much for my situiation

Tks
[Shift General] 757jrz7:
Sansumg 122JC,the HDD is 5400rpm,8MB cache.30MB/s +.
[Shift General] deadnex:
THE MK2431GAH/1231GAL/MK8031GAL ONLY SUPPORTS ATA3 AND ATA4 AND WILL NOT WORK WITH THE SHIFT. You need to buy a harddrive that supports at least ATA6

However, it is possible to fit an 8mm drive in the shift if you remove some of the rubber shock absorber that is originally wrapped around the harddrive.
[Shift General] deadnex:
Use acronis instead... I hate everything that has the Norton label on it :p
[Shift General] mgb2:
a bit of confusion

Hi to all,

This is my first time but I read you for long before.

This is really the best technical forum I have ever read.

Now I have my shift and I'm trying to change HD.

This link says no word about LIF or ZIF connector.

I have a bit of confusion: are they interchangable or not?

http://sdd.toshiba.com/main.aspx?Pa...HardDiskDrives/MKxx31GAxSeries/MKxx31GAxSpecs

Anyway someone said that 240gb is not ata-6 compatible.

May you explain better this point, cause I'm really a novice ?

I would like to buy this:

http://www.upgradebay.com/c1_itemdetail.asp?rid=7&itemid=168751409&gclid=CKuW6vyqhZ0CFc8UzAodwh0YbQ

But again there is no word on connector type.

Furthermore, you know if to the same product code may correspond two different form factor ?

May you confirm this latter is good for shift?

Thanks in advance
[Shift General] dariukui:
Hi,

I think to upgrade my standart 40gb to 80gb which HDD will be better for shift ? Toshiba mk8010gah or Toshiba mk8022gaa?

Thanks for help !
[Shift General] zebra.belka:
Hi all

I'd like to share my experience on HDD replacement.

My original 40Gb HDD sounded like it was about to die and I was looking for spare one.

The funny thing is that Toshiba 120Gb MK1231GAL as a spare HDD costs more than 200$ and is almost impossible to find.

Transcend 120Gb HDD ext box is only 70$ which got exactly MK1231GAL 5mm inside.

Feel free to buy external boxes for spare HDDs - this way HDDs are cheaper and easier to find) yet controller board from the box dies as most of ext boxes do...pretty fast if you try to play with it.

btw silicon rubber for 2$ in a syringe solved cooler noise issue completely))

and now about magic wires...

To make sure I can back up my data (including recovery partition) I've managed to find this beautiful Red Board and after a couple of days of research I realized that Shift HDD Round Yellow connector and Red Board are the same stuff (talk about miniaturization), it's just that Shift HDD connector is golden...and mine is broken in its bend place because it gets all the pressure from usage at mechs production line with almost no protection. HDD is all fine, the problem is crimping connector.

Common 1.8 ZIF\LIF wires (like in Eee PC) doesn't work since they are pinned straight ahead and miss 2 tiny semiconductors which are integrated into Round Yellow cable named - 50H20103-41M-A

No HDD connectors in Moscow, HTC service in Saint Petersburg promised to order one next week with a delivery in 2 months(

Does any1 get any idea where in a world I can get another one faster? mechs assembly is stalled

Thanks in advance.

--- regards,

zebra.belka
[Shift General] sebastiaanmeloen:
anyone tried one of the following?

http://www.runcorestore.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=800000AA-1249410156

or

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002QPRV9U/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=

?

please let me know, are any ssd's that will fit still available?
[Shift General] kashifsiddique:
Gah after reading the whole thread i can only find confirmation that a 8MM drive works. Can anyone who's successfully upgraded to a 100GB<= 5mm drive post the modal number you've used :confused:
[Shift General] POWERSER:
Questions on Post 152

I have the same Transcend External HDD from last summer, but only yesterday I had the time to make the change. But I have the same problem that was mentioned in some posts before, the Bios recognizes the disk as 120GB, but when you try to boot, it says "Primary Master Hard Disk Error". I boot from an Acronis Bootable Flash Disk 16GB, where I Have my image od Vista with all my progs, but either the Acronis SWs do not Recognize the HDD (Toshiba MK1231GAL). The message is "Failed to read from the sector 0 of hard disk 0". I had understood that something was wrong from the summer, because all the Acronis SWs on my Notebook did not recognized the External Transcend HDD, eventhouth you see it in Windows (format, make partitions, copy, delete things). Have you managed to boot any Operating System from that HDD (after you put it inside HTC Shift) ??

See something interesting, on some sites as i was searching on Google, it says that MK1231GAL but with Part Number HDD1813 (like mine) is ATA7.

But here (02) : It says that MK1231GAL but with Part Number HDD1811 (not like mine) is ATA3-ATA4 compatible.

Does anyone know what is going on to inform me, please ??
[Shift General] bluesbrothers93:
Why not a SSD disk ?

i find this product

Sequential Read Speed	Up to 80MB/sec

Sequential Write Speed	Up to 38MB/sec

http://www.activemp.com/SSD/18-IDE-PATA-ZIF-SSD-upgrade.htm

16GB for 79$

32GB for 100$

64GB for 190$

128GB for 380$

on amazon

The 64 GB is a good compromis
[Shift General] sebastiaanmeloen:
i have already mailed with them, to ask if this is really tested.

they reply that it should work by spec, but noone has done some real life testing.

i bet we will all collectively buy this 64gb ssd (128 for the rich guys) if someone is able to boot from it right? so thats wat I asked them. I will test it out, buy it if it works, and then all the shift owners will too

but no answer yet.
[Shift General] zebra.belka:
make MK1231GAL HDD1813 bootable

here is some very detailed info on MK1231GAL

http://nario-ez.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!C4F8A5F521A5EF8E!160.entry

the problem is VP211A firmware, there are Lenovo firmware updates for 1.8"\2.5" HDDs

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-62282

i've tried both CD and floppy updates just out of curiosity and obviously with no result

Could someone please hint if it's possible to alter floppy version of this update so that it would turn 1231 into something a bit more useful?
[Shift General] bluesbrothers93:
New Product Active Media

Active Media just launch new 1.8" SSD with Ram inside that improve read and write speed

ZT series T for Turbo

http://www.activemp.com/SSD/18-IDE-PATA-ZIF-SSD-ZT-turbo.htm
[Shift General] sebastiaanmeloen:
i mailed them, they have not tested it yet, should work on specs,

anyone has the cash to try it? they also have a money back guarantee, but you will lose shipping.
[Shift General] joy.d:
hmm.. they will work, but same power consumation like mtron mobi 3000 SLC SSD, and they is faster in write....

(and windows performs many small write operations...;-)

I´m not a seller of anything, but a HW developer for embedded systems, and I see someting good and nogood ;-) (and copy´s of copy´s)
[Shift General] sebastiaanmeloen:
haha

so true ;)
[Shift General] Tikras:
Need advise.

I'm getting to try to upgrade it into this one:

1.8" 160GB ZIF LIF TOSHIBA MK1634GAL 4200RPM

Drive Capacity: 160GB

Number of Platters (disks): 2

Number of Data Heads: 2

Transfer Rate to Host: 100 MB/sec

Performance:

Track-to-track Seek: 3ms

Average Seek Time: 15ms

Rotational Speed: 4,200 RPM

Buffer Size 8MB

Power Requirements

Voltage: 3.3V (+/-5%)

Spin up (start) Power: 1.8 watts

Seek Power: 0.9 watts

Read/Write Power: 0.8 watts

Active Idle Power: 0.4 watts

Low Power Idle: 0.3 watts

Standby Power: 0.1 watts

Sleep Power: 0.07 watts

Physical Size

Dimensions (W) x (D) x (H): 54 mm (2.13") x 71 mm (2.8") x 5 mm (.2")

Weight: 48 g (max)

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I really need an advise if it works with Shift? If not, I lose alot, because I'm getting to import it from Honkong, so, return is not really possible. Help pls.
[Shift General] bluesbrothers93:
disk 100% compatible

ciao, ciao
[Shift General] Tikras:
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Thank you so much for response. I think I'm going to try it ! I think £100 for this drive is good price.

Have ordered already USB disk ZIF enclosure, so I thing to put the new one first and then do direct disc to disc copy to not damage MBR then I have go, and let you know the result.

btw, what's the best software for copying directly disk to disk in Windows 7 eviroment? Better would be freeware... But, tell me which commercial ones as well.

regards
[Shift General] Tikras:
Just quick update. The news is not good...

Received that HDD from China with label on it exactly for this one: 1.8" 160GB ZIF LIF TOSHIBA MK1634GAL 4200RPM" sealed in anti static bag, looking like new...

Put in USB external enclosure, checked it and... it shows just 127.9 GB before fomatting! 160 GB on label, that's about 20% of capacity is missing! When formatting done, just a little bit less... Paragon HDD manager did not show any errors, but capacity is not standard one, it is not 160, nor 120 GB! Anyway, cloned windows 7 from my Shift took it apart and changed HDD with no problems at all... Just BIOS looks like recognized disk, showed correct type and capacity 160 GB as on label but not actual one and below that, "Hard Disk Error" and stop.... Tried differend utilities, Acronis bootable HDD manager, Paragon HDD Recue Disk, Hirens Boodt CD utilities, ERD Commander, Windows Repair feature and in the end tried to do fresh install of windows 7 but... Problem is simple, HDD not found... Reconnected ribbon cable in Shift few times, no changes. Put back original HDD into my Shift, working straight away! Put that new suspicious HDD back into USB enclosure, formated in windows again, tried to copy and then delete some movies, seems working.. Just capacity is non standard one.... Maybe it was refurbished by hidding up bad sectors using low lewel formatting utility from manufacturer... I think that's HDD faulty... Not incompatibility issue... Maybe I'm wrong. Any suggestions?
[Shift General] Tikras:
So, nobody is upgrading HDD on Shift nor interested in that? Come on people, tell me your opinions... :)
[Shift General] AllanonMage:
The problem is that the newer, higher capacity frives have different geometry. Im still unsure of the 160 gb drives, but i know the bigger ones have a different .... well i cant remeber the terms, but the newer driver use bigger chunks. Ipods and zunes can take advantage of it becaue they have rapid develpoment cycles, firmware engineers to customize fw, and the drives were made for them specifically. PC BIOS's on the other hand, would need an update to take advantage of the bigger drives, and usually thats not likely on older products. I am currently trying to find out if a 160 gb drive can be used. If it can, that will be the biggest u can use unless they start making retro drives with the older standards. If not, we'll be stuck with the 120gb drives.

One term to look for is CEAS i think. Also, the specific measurement is not usually listed except on a spec sheet from the manufacturer, and even in samsungs sheet when i looked a few months back i couldnt find it. At the time i knew the term, but i dont have it right now.

I dont have a shift, I have a fujitsu p1620 that i am looking to upgrade.
[Shift General] Tikras:
What's about this one? Can it work in Shift?

It should be slower than others, because it's just 3600 rpm.

SAMSUNG 1.8" 120GB ZIF PATA HS12YHA 8MB /5mm height
[Shift General] BHS Interceptor:
Hi there, I don´t think it´s lack of intereset..., it´s just that there have been enough "failled" tests, and since external drives as well as higher capacity SD cards are available at a relative low price... AT least that´s what I´ve done. The standard HDD is enough for me to run my programs on the shift, and everything else goes "exernal". What I did though, is to get a "new" spare HDD just in case...

But please keep us posted if you succeed in finding a suitable + 100 GB HDD for the Shift :D
[Shift General] ssn19:
The common problem is the HDD upgade advantage versus cost. SSDs are still too expensive, while 1.8" PATA HDDs become obsolete and because of it also too expensive.

My problem is that the manufacturers of 1.8" USB disks do not specify the internal interface standard. For example in Moscow the 250Gb Verbatim USB HDD is of reasonaly price, but noone knows the internal HDD and inteface types.

If anyone has taken 1.8" Verbatim USB drives apart, I'll greatfull for any information on the HDD inside.
[Shift General] picheth:
Hard Disk compatable?

Dear all,

After my long search I found that some iPod HDD has feature same as our original shift hard drive. but am not these hdd will be compatable with shift or not.

iPod Classic 80GB

- Model #: MK8022GAA

- WxH: 1.8'' wide x 5 mm tall

- Speed: 4200RPM

- Buffer Size: 2MB

- Weight: 0.8 lbs

Apple iPod 4 Generation (black & white sreen color)

- MK4004GAH

- 1.8''

- 2.12''x3.09''x0.197'' or 54mmx78.5mmx5mm

- 4200 RPM

- 1.8 oz / 51 gram

iPod Video 30GB

- 4200 RPM

- Cache: 2MB

- Interface: ATA100

- ZIF Connector

- WxDxH: 54mmx71mmx5mm

- Weight: 48 gram

Should they all above are compatable with our shift? They all has 5 mm thick.

Please reply me.

Thanks.
[Shift General] picheth:
Dear all,

Please do not try with the above hdd which mentioned. I already try with iPod hdd 160GB it is very deferrent both size and interface.

please carefully check before buy a new hdd for upgrade.

Thanks.
[Shift General] Tikras:
___________

So, I came back here with response to my own post. I can says YES now, this above mentionned HDD is working on the machine. I received ir some time ago, and successfully installed. Everything went smoothly, just did backup with Acronis True Image into another external USB HDD, cooked Arronis recovery CD onto external USB rewriter ant then replaced HDD with no problems, connected both external USB drives, HDD and rewriter with recovery CD to my Shift, booted up and then followed up simple procedure....

New HDD drive feels like it's slightly slower, cos it's just 3600 rpm one. It takes longer to cold boot or hybernate system, but windows 7 test shows higher disk performace rating than old original drive.

Anyway, it does the job and I consider it as cheap upgrade, the price was just £75 on ebay for 120 GB one, but I got it for £70.

regards
[Shift General] blastradius14:
Price on Shift on Amazon with GSM is 469, might as well spend the mulah for a SuperTalent 256 ZIF SSD Duradrive, at 630$ haha

I think it would fly!

actually, the lower capacities duradrives are fairly reasonable, 64 gig not too bad at all
[Shift General] bluesbrothers93:
SuperTalent 128Go MLC ZIF SSD Duradrive

http://www.supertalent.com/datasheets/6_10053.pdf

we can find it above 250 USD

that is a good compromis !

i will wait some time

but i think it will be mine.......

; -)

NB : this SSD will be a good think in addition of 2Gb Memory module

already installed !

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=427134