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[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
For swap torpedo?

It's a magisk mod so yes, unless you find out what it edits, but I'd say you'd need root.

SW memory is a virtual memory offering, so it's slower than actual RAM, but with 6GB at our disposal, swap isn't actually needed.

It's essentially the same as a page file on Windows

Grab RAM truth, check swap before, if there is a value other than 0MB then it's active, if it says 0MB then you're all good.

Lags at first then after that it's rapid and silky smooth.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] Mohannakattan:
The phone has some issues with the software, but I still love it. I don't know why.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] Macmoc16:
I have 665 of swap usage, is a problem? What i can do?
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
You can get swap torpedo and stop using swap memory, it'll speed up your phone.

It's a magisk module.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
I don't have any of these problems, alhamdulillaah. Only the Google photos app is not behaving. I think it is just a case of lack of optimisation.

In some cases, the P20P does better than my OG Pixel.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
I promise you with swap memory in use, you are not getting the speed the phone is capable of, using storage instead of the sizable RAM amount we have is going to have an impact on speed whether you want to admit that or not.

Predominantly talking about scrolling through screens and via the desktop.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
I don't believe anyone is in any denial, mate. I'm just sharing my honest experience. I owned the galaxy Nexus, nexus 4, 6P and the OG Pixel XL. So I would admit it if the p20p was laggy or choppy. I still own the 6p and the Pixel xl. I have checked the videos here and reproduced the same tests without the multi touch software app, and saw no difference. It may be so negligible that I am not able to detect it. In which case I have no complaints.

What other phones are using the swap file method for memory management, other than the p20p? Doesn't the fix require root and other modules?
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
The method I used was via magisk so yes, but I'm hopeful that there's a none root method.

There is a definitive difference though, so much so that I've made sure I keep it.

Personally I've never had to use swap torpedo so I couldn't say, I don't believe the Oneplus 5 used swap, but then I literally rooted out of the box.

The p20 pro it's the only phone I've felt like I've needed it.

If you're happy with your phone then by all means don't worry about the swap file, I can see it on my phone, my wife's and my friends in work, it's pretty evident and now that mine has the swap removed it's shown an increase in smoothness.

The logic is sound, RAM is the faster memory and as such it can deliver data quicker which is the whole idea.

Haven't done any of your tests with multitouch etc, I've just seen transitions and home screen movements have improved.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
I certainly don't dispute your position. If you're saying there's a way to make the phone smoother or faster than it already is, I am always keen to explore them. Right now though, I wish there was a non root way to do so. I've never heard of this fix/mod so I'm glad you mentioned it. I would implement it in a heartbeat.

BTW, what firmware version are you on?
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
Currently 128 lol maybe that's why.

And tbh I'd never heard of it either.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
See I'm on 110. There are things this phone does much faster than my Pixel. FPS in scrolling and animations are very comparable for me. But if the swap torpedo makes the improvement you say it does, I wanna use it once a non root method becomes available.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
Not sure if it will mate.

I was on 110 myself, 128 is smoother and faster than 110, 131 is meant to be even better.

I think swap torpedo edits something at a level non root can't touch.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
That's a shame. I'm adding it to the list of reasons why I should consider root, next to blocking ads, viper4android and AOSP ROMs.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
You need a reason?

Adverts - gone

Magisk

Titanium back up

Hackable apps - or WiFi kill and face sniff

Removal of apps - do your really need Google books

Kernels

Recovery

Twrp back up

Charging region - de-branding

Ability to see Lower level folders- root access

I could go on all day

But then again this is XDA just read and you'll see
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] hlcm151:
I want to buy this phone but still consider about smoothness problem

Anyone here can confirm that the laggy issue still exists or already fixed in firmware 120 ?

Thank you
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] deraiz12:
It fixed for me no lag (except maybe if I think about that on Google + app...) and all is realy fast.

Very good smartphone faster than S8 (I have an S8 one month later)

For me you can buy with no doubt.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] spindowski:
For system-wide adblocking (non-root) I highly recommend Blokada.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
Thanks man. I'm using it now. Seems it is doing its job.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] Theandroidfan:
Google photos definitely still has lag when scrolling. Everything else is buttery smooth. How's everyone else's phones running?
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
Smooth and silky for me. Only Google photos and sometimes maps. But maps can lag on a lot of devices.

I have noticed from the very first day that I owned the device, that it does one thing better than my previous phones, and that is download and install apps without lagging when I'm doing other tasks. Even my Pixel XL still lags hard when downloading apps in the background and simultaneously performing other operations in another app.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] marcolorenzo:
I've had this phone for about 2 weeks now so it's still very new but so far, it is definitely one of the smoothest phones I've ever had. I am extremely picky when it comes to smoothness and was about to go to iOS but decided to give this a shot. Very happy with it so far. Hopefully it remains this way!
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] Theandroidfan:
It's definitely the smoothest Android phone I've ever had. That Kirin 970 chipset is a beast!
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
What phone did you come from? I would understand if you said a Samsung.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] marcolorenzo:
It was a Samsung S8. The phone started off pretty good but eventually slowed down. It's not terrible by any stretch but still quite annoying, particularly in Google Maps. Prior to that, I had a Xiaomi Mi5S, LG V10, Sony Xperia Z2 etc. They all had similar problems (started fast, gradually slowed down).

I guess the only other solution would've been to get Pixel or OnePlus for stock Android but I hate stock Android so that's not an option.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] deraiz12:
And what application you use everyone (list) ? Let me know if you are heavy user with huge of apps or small user with little apps. I think, this thing is manly important for conclusion about smoothness.

Thank you.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] jurosh:
I have phone for a month but first few moments it was really bad - many dropped frames and terrible scrolling experience. Not on web pages, but on many other places like menu, google maps, photos, google now, Dialer etc everywhere lags and dropped frames.

Google Now (swipe to left) animation totally bad - but have feeling like this was starting to get better after week of usage.

To defend this phone, itself, it got pretty decent performance, apps and everything is starting and performing really fast. Face unlock, fngerprint unlock totally fast and perfect.

But some apps really having dropped frames - mostly apps from google, eg. Google Photos really bad when changing photos (10mpx, not 40). It's kind of decreasing perfection of this phone.

So def this is true with P20 Pro. Hope it get fixed by some update, because even that it's possible to live with that, I would rather have phone with totally fluent system without bloatware apps and great animations without frame drops. And now it's def not - my prev phone Redmi 4 Pro was much nicer in terms of scrolling and lags and it was cheap 200 dollars phone.

To go back to original question, scrolling in browser is good - no visible lags so I am happy with it. It's really very smooth, so I needed a while to get used to, but now I really like it and have no issues with that smoothness.

ps. My model is CLT-L29, with latest EMUI 8.1.0.131
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
I think we need to reach out to the people that make those apps and get them to optimise their apps to run on Kirin 970 better.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] Theandroidfan:
Everything is smooth for me. Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook, Google maps, Twitter. They all open quickly and perform smoothly.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] deraiz12:
Whooo and your battery explode with this list of this apps
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
Nowhere near as fast as the Qualcomm 835 not by some way mate. The 845 is also superior.

With that being said it's no slouch and I did expect less.

Tekken 6, the windwaker on emulators all run perfectly which is no small feat.

As per the OP, my scrolling even without Swap Torpedo had been very quick, I don't use the EMUI launcher though, that has glitches now and again, pixel 3 launcher is superior for speed, as is lawn chair.

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Haha
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
I'm seeing more and more things that this device does faster or without lag than my Pixel XL, which runs the SD835.

Loading the icon packs list is faster, when choosing a custom icon pack and applying them.

Most noticeable for me though, is setting a list of apps to update in the background while carrying on using the phone. This makes the Pixel XL choke. And practically any other phone I've used.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] Fille84:
You don't think you're exaggerating a little when saying it's "nowhere near"?
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
Absolutely not, not only does the 835 outpeform the Kirin, it actually doesn't get anywhere near as warm so it's not actually being stressed.

The Kirin isn't a slouch as i said but it's just not on the same level.

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That's primarily the UI mate, nothing to do with the OS, if they were both running the same OS, say lineage, i would say that the 835 / 845 would be superior.

Not bashing Kirin here lol, think everyone got their backs up a little there lol, it's a fine processor, but just not as good as qualcomms offering.

The GPU side of things especially, CPU wise it's probably a closer match.

Also are you referring to the Pixel XL 1? Or 2 because the 1 does not have an 835 it has an 821, which is by far a slower CPU than both the 835 and the Kirin.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] Fille84:
But still "nowhere near". Outperforms with what? 5ms? And like 2 degrees warmer or something like that?

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Nowhere near huh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8fOKixRxRo
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
Lol ok mate, you believe what you like.

That video is not a fair comparison at all haha, it's not a processor comparison it's an operating system comparison lol, get the same OS on both devices and then do the same, see how they do.

Bare in mind i'm talking about the CPU and GPU combination of the 835 and 845 vs the Kirin, ok!!

I've had the Oneplus 5 and I've got the P20 Pro, i've ran emulators on both and where the Kirin fell on it's backside the Oneplus just continued with a solid 60fps, god of war being one of the tests on the PSP emulator PPSSPP, the heat dissipation is a huge part of a processors life and the fact that the 835 literally never got stressed means it had quite a bit of headroom too, the Kirin isn't hard to stress at all,

I think you're blindly sticking up for the kirin but you don't actually have any info or personal experience to back it up.

What was your last device? Have you owned a device with an 835 or 845 processor? If you had then you would know exactly what i mean.

I'm also going to leave this conversation here as it's getting toxic and meaningless.

Feel free to PM me if you need to go on anymore.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] Fille84:
Chill dude...it's a phone [emoji23]
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
Thanks for the correction. Yes the Pixel XL runs the 821. I'm aware that the Kirin is weaker when running the numbers against the 835, but it seems Huawei has done some optimisations, including GPU turbo that make this difference negligible ro me, in real day usage. To the point that I wonder if the Kirin was used to power stock Android instead of the heavier EMUI, I would imagine the performance compared to the EMUI would be even better. And at least on par with the SD equivalent. No need for me to get my back up against anything LOL. I knew from the onset that the chip is weaker, just based on architecture and clock speeds and raw tests. I was sharing my personal experience of using Nexus and Pixel devices where those consistently and repeatably struggled in certain use case scenarios, but the P20 Pro outperforms. Heck, I was open to using a mid range SD chip from seeing how good they've gotten and how efficient they are, especially for better battery life. I will still consider it for my next upgrade, save some money too.

I haven't used this phone much for gaming but from the comparisons online of the GPU turbo enabled games, which are few and far between, the results are vary comparable, for a physically weaker chip. Mali is supposed to be MUCH weaker than the same gen Adreno. But with GPU turbo, that difference is not as noticeable, if at all. So kudos to Huawei for using an older weaker chip and still punch above its weight class.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
I agree for the most part with you.

I've never gone for anything less than the absolute fastest processor for its time and I usually get the phone day one.

This is the first time I've not gone for the best cpu on the market and I expected the Mali as a GPU to struggle on emulators as they require the most grunt, I decided on the Pro because the camera is superb.

Much to my surprise when I ran the same games I'd managed to get to run on my OnePlus 5 they actually run very very well, as I've said, the pro is no slouch, Tekken 6 runs at 60fps perfectly, it's brilliant.

Not to mention hdmi out without the need for Displaylink adapters which all of last years phones required.

Nothing I've thrown at this phone has caused it to slow down, so when I say it's not or nowhere near as fast, it really doesn't matter. Unless you're running something terribly optimized for mobile.

Personally I love the pro, I think it's a beast and I was happy to be wrong about its performance.

Also as for GPU turbo mode, it doesn't actually get used unless something (like a game) has been optimized to utilize it, you can't just turn it on and expect more power and better battery, I wish that was the case.

One thing I would commend Huawei for and I agree with you here is their utilisation of an inferior chipset and it's proposed speeds.

To have kept the temps in check and to yield the results it's capable of is an epic achievement.

Imagine if every OEM made as much effort, and bare in mind, Huawei used to provide phones that people who wanted the best used to avoid, times have changed.

My only concern for them now is their horrific choice to block bootloader unlocking, they'll feel that decision, I hope they revoke it and let people do what they want.

While they're at it they can perhaps simplify the system layout, is mental.

Guess we'll just have to see.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
Fully agree, mate. I still haven't read any reasoning behind their decision to lock the bootloader. Bit unnecessary.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] suarez92:
I experience lag through Instagram stories, Facebook news feed and browsing internet (sometimes).

Now as I update some apps, for example Messenger, also got some stutter and lag.

I came to P20 Pro from OnePlus 6 which has none of the problems above. Not even a millisecond of lag. EMUI is still a mess, I hope they fix it soon, otherwise top camera and battery life is what is keeping me to still own a P20 Pro.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
Ah I don't use Facebook, messenger or Instagram. I do browse using Chrome but I don't see that lag anywhere. Perhaps I would notice it if I compared directly side by side with a device that's being touted as more smooth. Like my Pixel XL for example. Just general UI operations 'appear' smoother but this may be due to the new Pie animations, slower animations etc etc. I don't then go back to the P20 and see lots of dropped frames, no. It just doesn't feel as smooth as the Pixel, for other reasons. As soon as I no longer operate the Pixel, I quickly forget it's performance when using my Huawei day to day. That's more than good enough for me.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] Migtito:
My Twitter flicks a little. Seems to be loading... But I don't know if this is normal

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[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] Frontfiringspeakers:
I'm using nova launcher and have to say I've had no lag at all. Had phone since release date. In terms of the phone itself it's the terrible video quality that's in the end going to make me part with this device. S9 plus blows it out the park.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] jonboi:
Ditto this. I've done it on every android phone i've owned and it makes a huge difference.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] ahmetgox:
Scrolling performance is terribly bad on chrome and WhatsApp
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] Theandroidfan:
That's weird. I don't have these issues myself.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
I'm not seeing this problem here either. Make sure you are set to FHD+ resolution.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] ahmetgox:
How many swipes are you making to see all your contacts at whatsapp for example? For me from top to bottom it takes almost ten swipes and this is like this for almost any app i use
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
About 6 swipes. But I have about 700 contacts. What did you mean by lag?
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] marcolorenzo:
Takes me about 5 to 6 swipes. I don't really see any stutter also.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] ahmetgox:
I didn't remove the screen protector film which is coming out of box is my problem can be related about it?
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
No I've still got mine. Got another on the way.

Have you tried glove mode too?

Also how often have your been rebooting.

Any power savers turned on?

Any apps been optimized or are managed manually?
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] mig0r:
mi mix 2 no lag anywhere, if you buying chinese phone, buy Mi
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
Nah Chinese for me from now on would be OnePlus 100%

So long as they fix the lack of OIS
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] vizzy:
Hi, you say you have another on the way. Which one and where did you purchase it from? I took mine off as I didn't realise it was a proper protector and it got dust under it so took it off. I brought another one but it doesn't fill the screen as good....
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
Yep I've got the 9H invisishield, quite the beast.

Tempered glass, no rainbow, no bubbles, tough as old boots. Not Matt but hey ho I know it's tough.

£11.99 from their website.

It's the extreme one. Just for the front, it's superb, extremely clear too
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] vizzy:
I'll have a look cheers! Got one at the minute but doesn't go to the edges fully and it's annoying me ha

Is it a Zagg? That's what Google throws up
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
Yep they're the ones, this is the extreme one, a little thick but extremely clear
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
Zagg are very reputable. But I got full coverage tempered glass with good oleophobic protection from Klearlook on Amazon. They all eventually scratch but the fit is impeccable with the Klearlook. No lifts, halo or rainbow. Edge to edge.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] vizzy:
Thanks both, I'll have a look. Got a tempered one on now but it doesnt fill the screen just slightly too small, so one edge has the rainbow look sometimes. It's annoying me even though it's ever so small.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] RiTCHiE007:
Not true at all. I own a Oneplus 6 also and it also has problems with browsing on chrome etc with small lags/jitter. This is a know oneplus problem and even people from oneplus 5 and below have it.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
Applications will lag anyway. It is what they make them.

Nothing to do with the pace of the phone.

All one plus devices are rapid.

No other phone comes close, it's just that simple
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] RiTCHiE007:
Well overal the oneplus 6 feels snappy but i mean the scrolling lag in the browser or some apps is just horrible and my old galaxy s7 did a better job on that. This is a known oneplus 6 problem and the best i can describe is to call it the rubber band effect, where you scroll and then it corrects it self so it feels not consistent.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
AHH I know what you mean.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] maahmd:
agree with that alot !!! p9 plus it is beter !!
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] Theandroidfan:
Don't know what's wrong with your phones but my one performs perfectly. Apps open quickly and scrolling on Facebook and Instagram are extremely smooth.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] chefnoob:
Got the P20 Pro (L29 C636) a few weeks ago to replace my work phone (Pixel XL). I also have a Pixel 2 phone for personal use. Compared to both pixels, I find the screen of the P20 Pro jittery. I think the issue really is latency, as suppose to lag. My pixel/s do lag same as the P20 Pro, but the low latency with lag just makes it more worse. I chose the P20 Pro since it has dual sim and HDMI out but every time I use it, it feels like I downgraded the Pixel XL due to the unpolished feel. Weird thing though, the P20 PRO can handle PUBG a lot better than the XL, graphics-wise (higher settings on graphics, less lag, etc) so I know it is not the hardware. It also is snappy, opening apps faster than both pixels...but the jittery feel makes it seems like I am using a phone made 5 years ago. Is there any way to adjust the latency? By latency, I meant touch latency...
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] subhani:
I can agree with you that I noticed some touch latency at first. I quickly got over it as 1. I no longer use my Pixel and 2. I agree that it performs just as well if not better than the Pixel in other regards like you say.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
If you unlock the Bootloader, flash AOSIP from the Honor View 10 forum (works on the P20 Pro)

I'm running it now and sweet Jesus, I've never seen fluidity like this in my android life, it's insanely smooth.

But yea stock EMUI, it's nasty.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] chefnoob:
Sounds promising. But I assume not everything will work (like face unlock, fingerprint sensor, dual sim, etc) after the flash? I guess even the camera will suffer?
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] dlads:
Literally everything works.

Two things

NFC

Stereo

For me it's a small price to pay for the rapid ROM I'm using, customisation is insane.

Everything beyond the aforementioned bugs is perfect.
[Huawei P20 Pro Real Life Review] chefnoob:
Great. I'll wait a bit and try out EMUI 9 first. Hopefully they'll fix it. If not, then i'll have to purchase the code to unlock bootloader and flash custom roms

Cheers for the tip