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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] undac:
Youtube integration works like a charm but trying to use H.264 for streaming (highest quality) makes me lose ~75% of the frames.

I dunno I guess I didn't expect it to be perfect but it's totally unwatchable. The medium settings works fine but looks worse than the flash video bundle with tcpm. (The actual interface is retty nice though a bit unresponsive and it doesn't always bring up the video when clicking a video, thus making you have to change "view" to see the actual video. pretty annoying.)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] juiceppc:
That youtube integration looks kinda slick.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Gibbs:
I have core player, and am very happy with how it plays the videos I have on my storage card. It's clearer and sharper than WMP or TCPMP.

I don't have the you tube integration yet. What advantage does it have over TCPMP? Does it upload faster, or play the videos better? Sounds like undac didn't find the quality to be all that great.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] con_ritmo:
eeks, h.264 youtube LOOKS great, but as undac pointed out...it's unwatchable... dropped-frame city... :(

medium setting RUNS great but looks bad...

so still flash video player and tcpmp for quality youtube...

if you just wanted to watch a video asap and didn't mind the quality, well medium setting core player would work ...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] RemE:
I tried the new version and really like the YT interface. I played several videos via WiFi and 3G and saw good results, video's only dropped about 5 frames in 2,500 pretty consistant with both radios with h.264's and zero frames with MPEG4s.

To select videos, I pressed the "i" icon on the right of each video, then in the larger info screen, pressed the play icon. Worked every time and seemed pretty responsive as well.

Edit, Oops, that was with the stock settings (Medium), when I changed the network setting for YT to high quality, the Kaiser chokes as reported. It played 101 frames and dropped 1515! Is this strictly a Kaiser/Tilt missing video driver issue??? and other PDA's function with this setting??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Bratag:
Just tested several H.264 Videos over wifi. 10000k frames played 400 dropped - frame rate 25.68. Thats pretty acceptable to me.

Not sure why my is performing better than some. Yes I did check to make sure it was h.264 High.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] thesoulpoet:
any1 have the cab for this? I know its not free I have purchased it but for some reason handago didnt provide me with the link for new version they still are selling the old one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] intothevoid:
I am sure they will have it soon enough. No warez posting is allowed here. Mobihand.com of course has it already and I have to say it really is working nice. Love the youtube interface and streaming is really flawless with hsdpa.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] galt:
High quality (H264) YouTube playback over wifi on my HTC Advantage is virtually flawless in CP 1.2.1 - I have it set to use the ATI Imageon video decoder w/acceleration selected. Supposedly the ATI chip doesn't have the capability to do hardware acceleration of H264 but in CP 1.2 and 1.2.1 I get incredibly smooth playback of H264 video (not at 640x480 unfortunately).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] chezzorilla:
Can anyone advise on optimum settings van CorePlayer?

YouTube doesn't look too good here either. Can anyone advise on the best video (and other) settings to use with CorePlayer 1.2.1 / TyTN II?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Bratag:
I would just suggest you make sure under video settings you have the qtv option selected.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] pjwilkin:
The "default" setting for Youtube video's is the crappy 3gp mode

to get H.264 goto

menu -> tools -> preferences -> Network

and amend the "YouTube Format" to "h264 (High Quality)"

Also make sure

menu -> tools -> preferences -> video

has "video Output" set to "QTV Display" (I'd recommend setting it to GDI first, exit, restart, set to QTv, exist and then restart)

QTv mode has some quirks (it wont display some of my album art) but for video it's way better than GDI
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] con_ritmo:
bratag, can you post links to some youtube vids and your live benchmark on them over wifi at h.264?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Digitaltigre:
I've only tested it a little and so far it seems great to me. Having Youtube integrated kicks ass. Here is a sample I tested:

with three bars on HSDPA and Youtube set to high quality...

Wolverine trailer

320X240 25 fps

1405 frames played

165 frames dropped

actual framerate 22.373

Im sure that larger pixel dimension files will drop more frames. But so far I am happy. This CoreCodec team is the heat. First the QTV overlay and now youtube. Props:cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Bratag:
It very much depends on the size of the youtube video. Anything over about 480x runs choppy. You have to go down to medium for that. But anything encoded at a lower size than that is fine
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] chezzorilla:
Doesn''t seem to work for mee.. not even with WiFi on. QTv renders a blank (black) image, but I do hear sound.

Putting the netowork setting to high quality results in endless buffering and massive frame loss.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] pjwilkin:
Change to GDI .. exit, then go back in and set QTv mode

see if that works

It's a work around mentioned in other forums iirc
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] o0adam0o:
How can you download a demo....i just see option to buy.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Chainfire:
I havent upgraded to 1.2.1 yet (still happily running 1.1.3) as I don't actually watch youtube and 1.1.3 is working fine, but...

I've noticed the QTV settings definitely works best, but make sure it's set to high quality. For some reason (really, wth?) it works much slower on medium / low quality, at least for me.

Furthermore with some of my own benchmarking with CorePlayer, it seems resolution (scaling) is the biggest source of lag. High bitrate low resolution plays, generally speaking, much better than low bitrate high resolution.

Might clear up some issues, might not. Thought it might be useful info.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Gibbs:
There is no demo; you have to buy it if you want it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] undac:
Hey Chainfire, long time since I saw you post. :)

Actually I've found coreplayer 1.2.x to be even better than 1.1.3 in general playback (performance wise that is).

Also it seems to fix some of the camera issues.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
Thanx all for the great feedback and we are glad you like the YouTube integration.... The biggest thing you are all finding out is that you get better video playback quality in CorePlayer Mobile and Pro then you can even get on YouTube.com !!! ( -Web Browser and -Flash ) We are very proud of that as well as the YT quality control as it was not easy, and took over a month of devel work to get it right. The YT interface is not perfect yet... but we are close to where we want to be and a few more releases will fix all that.

On speed.... v1.2.1 features almost 2x as much code vs. v1.1.3 (with very little size increase) and has many more code optimizations from the user interface to the our new WMMX opts for codecs but even more so with our CoreAVC H.264 decoder. 1.2.x will also feature many more codec optimizations for AAC and an even faster ASP/DivX/XviD decoder (faster then DivX or XviD) as well as the addition of our new AC3 audio decoder in CorePlayer Pro for OS X and Windows.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] private69:
For BETA_BOY

Hello,

BETA_BOY can you respond me in this forum or in you corecodec forum please ???

Re: CorePlayer Mobile and Pro v1.2.1 Status

« Reply #60 on: March 10, 2008, 11:42:13 PM »

Quote from: privategun69 on March 09, 2008, 10:20:35 PM

I select in menu of coreplayer : association rtsp and with IE i write Http://m.youtube.com, the youtube site web was launch i select a video and Coreplayer was open but no video.

If i open coreplayer and i used interface youtube is good .

Same Problem on my PocketLoox N560 - when I select play in Pocket-IE (http://m.youtube.com) Coreplayer opens ... loads ... no video ...

« Last Edit: March 10, 2008, 11:45:05 PM by Henry » Logged

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
Already posted over at CC.com
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] jgermuga:
Sorry for the OT but I was wondering about your desktop h.264 decoder. I was looking to play H.264 files in Media Center, but the only version I could find from Core Codec was very old. Do you still support this product?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
Sure... CoreAVC is the leading H.264 Codec available today ( currently at v1.6.5 ) @ http://www.CoreAVC.com . Here is the latest changelog: http://www.coreavc.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] sphinx88:
The index for Youtube loads correctly, but when I select on a video I get ile not Found! RTSP://bfug.rtsp-youtube.l.google.com/(You get the Point)

Am I doing something wrong?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] :
Anyone know what's the deal with Handango? It still has the old version. I bought the 1.2 preview version.... so... where's the update?

-James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] pjwilkin:
I used mobihand (for this and a few other bits of software)), because they notify on updates.

Perhaps Betaboy can give Handago a push...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Chainfire:
beta_boy,

Since you seem to be reading this anyway, I have a feature request. I couldn't find this anywhere - but it has to be said CorePlayer has an insane amount of options ;)

What would be really great is having a preset backlight level for video playback (only). I always have my backlight on the lowest setting for normal surfing, reading mail, etc, but this is too dark to watch video well. It's 'inconvenient' having to switch the level back and forth manually all the time.

Please add this to a 'to-do', 'to-consider' or whatever list, or tell me where I overlooked this setting ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
Handango has not published the update yet for v1.2.1 and I am trying to working with them to fix their release policy to match ours (wish me luck... i'll need it).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
mmmm note sure if its possible... what OS/Device?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] joshuah82:
Is there a way for people with valid keys to acquire the updated version from CoreCodec if they purchased it on Handango? I'm in the same boat.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Chainfire:
Oh heh sorry. Windows Mobile 6 / TyTN II.

Googling for "BackLightChangeEvent" will give you loads of info how to do it on most WM devices... don't know which devices it does or doesn't work on, though.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] :
Second, Third and Fourth that. Never going to purchase from Handango again.

Perhaps CoreCodec should warn us of which vendors provide timely updates for their products. Right on the front page of their web site! Ok it's probably not such a hot idea, but released should mean... released.

-James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
We are working with Handango as we speak to try and align our efforts.... this is why we have not not released any of our other platforms with them like Symbian and why we are #1 in sales on our other major reseller/partner Mobihand.com for Palm, PocketPC, Smartphone and Symbian S60 v3.

/me hugs the guys at Mobihand
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] RemE:
This is good idea and would be very usefull. I would use it the opposite way actually as I use PDXE to encode my videos at 320x240 and bump the brightness and contrast at the same time which really helps the small screen experience as most look dark to me too. So I use 30-40% bright level normally and I lower it to minumum for max runtime when watching videos.

This feature would save steps in all cases, hope it can be done!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] gogol:
Nice, but I cant play most of them ... got error rtsp://... File not found!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] jdbuckeye2009:
I see that some people are getting better results after enabling ATI Imageon hardware acceleration. Where is this option? Is it just the QTV option, or is there something I'm missing? My playback is dropping tons of frames on about half the youtube videos I've watched, and I'm hoping there is a setting I need to change to fix it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
This means you maybe be limited by either your connection (device connection priority, host proxy) or you can try selecting another quality setting in 'Tools > Preferences > Network > YouTube Format'

Additionally you may receive these type of errors if the video is either set to private and or not available at that particular quality setting (AVC for example as not all videos on YT are available in AVC yet).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
What? QTv is only specific for Tilt/Kaiser users... Same for ATI mobile devices that have it... by default we detect the chipset and set it automatically for you but the player allows you to choose another output method if you wish.

Also read my last post about quality selections and set yours to 'low' to see if it helps.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] jdbuckeye2009:
this is what I"m talking about. Is he talking about just setting the output to QTV or is there a separate setting that I'm not aware of, because I have mine set to QTV with h.264 youtube settings and anything larger than 320x240 is pretty much unplayable.

Also, what is the deal with the medium quality setting for youtube? I know it isn't h.264, but I can barely make out anything at all! Shouldn't it at least be comparable to the quality I get with TCPMP and flashplayer?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] gogol:
Understandable ... so, I set to H.264 (high), QTV and medium video quality.

I am able to play the video ...

But the performance is really bad.

I changed to video quality = low, but still bad ...

Oh, and I use my local wi-fi ... which I think it should be fast enough.

Is there any way to increase the buffering? I dont mind waiting to fill the buffer first, rather than poor video play.

I saw there is buffering setting, but I am not sure if it is used for YouTube, right?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Restorer:
Yeah I got this on the default YouTube Format setting (RTSP medium) but works fine on H264 and RTSP low. Did you try changing these?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] :
This is more or less accurate for me too.

The data rate is large for these 480x320 H.264 clips. An example was a family guy clip I found, 623 kbit/s.

I get about 66% speed on the larger resolution clips when I benchmark. I have not tried over wi-fi yet. I would imagine such a high data rate is having an adverse effect on the performance over 3G which maybe can or can not deliver enough bandwidth at times.

-James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
Sure... data rate vs. the capabilities of the network your on vs. the capabilities of your device.... remember pulling in H.264 video it being resized to match your devices AR. which eats into CPU cycles.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] :
So here's the thing, I've found some h.264 clips that are 320x240.... is there no version of the higher resolution h.264 videos that is in h.264 at 320x240? I ask because you have like a low, medium, and high option, I figured maybe there's one more in between medium and high that is h.264 at 320x240.

That would certainly be the sweet spot...

-James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] ceevee369:
I posted my Handango "adventures" on Corecodec indeed to warn other potential purchasers. Took me 20 mails and almost as many days to get my upgrade to V1.2 credited.

Handango HAS an upgrade page, though for some cinister reason they do not align very well with Corecodec indeed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
I have received an all 'OK' internally for us to shutdown our Handango sales.... when its all said and done in the next couple of days I will post more on it. But don't worry Handango users... we will be bringing you over to a great reseller with Mobihand that are more then welcome to help you with any of your needs.

A true reseller partnership (as it should be).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] cuboosh:
i cant get 1.2.1 to ingage my internet (medianet) what am i doing wrong
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] :
Hey, can I have some specifics on how you got your refund? I thought I would just challenge the charge on my card, since any time you challenge a charge, valid or not, it takes a hit against that company.

It seems that finding some page on Handango for which to contact them is impossible to find. How convenient. Does anyone have a direct link or know of an email address to use for these clever individuals?

EDIT: Betaboy, I re-purchased CorePlayer from mobihand. I also put in a help desk incident with Handango. They told me they had to contact CoreCodec to approve the refund. If you have a support email address of some kind, I can provide my handango reference number, and my mobihand order number if this is in some way helpful to get this done.

I apologize, I just don't see why Handango was taking so long, and I really loved the software and I was too impatient to wait.

-James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] futbolkeeper:
So beta_boy does this mean we will be contacted by Mobihand and or CoreCodec by email? Do we need to register with you guys to let you know that we purchased from Helldango? Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
I will post here when things settle down here in a few hours.... Handango is trying to work with us... and while we are upset because our expectations were higher then they could deliver I personally don't want to lose them, I just want them to be responsive to our customers needs and to match our end goals (update availability). Thats what a partnership is for correct?

I also want to thank some ppl here at XDA and the CC forums for putting the pressure on them to fix their processes and not about try to generate revenue in regards to making ppl pay for updates they are entitled to.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] futbolkeeper:
The pressure on them will continue on my end that is for sure! :D I love CorePlayer keep up the great work.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] :
It's simple capitalism.

People, vote with your wallets. Go to mobihand and pick up the update. Dispute your charge for 1.2 at handango with your card company. Any dispute, however valid, negatively impacts a Visa customers rating, and hence raises their rates to do business. This system is in place by Visa to be sure there is some kind of measure (however small) that people using charge cards get fair treatment.

Handango is in business to amek money and nothing more. I'm sure you are all very aware of this: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/02/16/handango-revises-cda-says-screw-you-to-developers/

Is this fair to CoreCodec, or the people that wish to buy their products?

They are suppose to provide updates, they are not, irregardless of the reason, it's a perfectly valid dispute. If more consumers took a little more time to demand better service from those that would take advantage of your apathy, this situation would not be happening.

-James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] ceevee369:
I advise you to challenge. You do NOT want to go 20-25 mails before Handango gives up after threathening them. You would simply fall in the ping-pong process of you submitting - they replying and forwarding THEIR issue towars the developper CoreCodec who is , in fact NOT the one who needs to solve the free upgrade link problem. Do not go there as I did. You will see the black hole of evil. Challenge the payment - (only if you DID bought the original v1.0 from Handango and DID paid for a V1.2 upgrade of course) good luck!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] sonicboom007:
how does the latest version of coreplayer play h.264 ripped dvd's compared to TCPMP 8? do they use the same codec?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] FloatingFatMan:
Wouldn't it be easier, with all the problems with Handango, for the CoreCodec people to just make a download link available to all customers? You could easily verify them by asking for their registration key to download it...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Restorer:
Not sure about DVDs but I've tried converting files recorded in Vista Media Centre to h264 (320x240) using a neat little program called MCEBuddy but get no sound - it says the audio codec (706D) is not supported by the player. GSpot tells me the audio codec is FAAD AAC. Not sure what this means.

Divx conversion of these files works great.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] sonicboom007:
please check this link for some clips I have ripped..

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=218130#post218130

I have attached two zip files which contain two h.264 2-minute clips I ripped from #1 dvd burner from the movie Tears of the Sun. If someone could play them both for me in coreplayer I'd really appreciate it. I also think this will help people to figure out whether or not Corplayer is really better than TCPMP (Youtube issues aside)

also - there is no nudity, language, or violence in either of the clips for anyone who might be concerned....thanks for the help!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Restorer:
Both of your clips play nicely in CorePlayer 1.2.1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Brickmen:
congrats on CP

just bought core player and i must admit that I am very impressed. I'm streaming Black Adder (good ish quality) across my wifi network at full speed (which used to lag on TCMP). and enjoying every minute of it, well worth £17.

The youtube function works well too, but i dont use YT much anyway. Thanks to the corecodec team!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
Your welcome.... I wanted to address something.... the point we wanted to stress that by us adding the builtin YouTube support.... why use FLV at all if you don't need to? FLV is a bloated/slow container... that uses a bloated/slow Flash player to play back multimedia with. We recommend using great containers like MPEG-4 our Matroska container. Naturally we recongnize the ease of use of flash... that not our point... multimedia is!

Remember... in those FLV videos are other embedded audio and video formats... ASP, AVC, AAC, MP3, etc. they can be CPU intensive enough.... no need to add;

1 - A web-browser

2 - Flash player

3 - FLV container overhead

into the picture if its not needed... as the end results produce higher quality and why we are stressing that video in CorePlayer is even better then you can get on YouTube.com itself!!

In the end our users and community benefit... now onto Break.com, DailyMotion and releasing our API's for third parties to add their own sites into CorePlayer ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] jomo25:
Any chance Hulu.com videos will be supported soon?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
No as they only have support for offloaded access via flash and its only for preview's not the entire show (from what I was told).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] jomo25:
Ehh, too bad. That would be really nice...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] sonicboom007:
thanks for the info, i'll go ahead and buy it...