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[Android Apps and Games] Milind Goel:
1. Yes, we do understand the difference between piracy and ad-blocking. Lemme go through this again ig

First off, what is piracy? In simple terms, any app that has a premium subscription attached to it is given for free to the public without any cost.

Second, what is ad-blocking? In simple terms again, blocking any ads in a web browser, application or network.

(Explaining the 3rd first)

3. Vanced includes ad-blocking, background playback with the picture in picture mode and some extra vanced stuff. Well, we already know.

2. Now, in the case of vanced, because I mentioned it isn't discontinued as the result of ad-blocking.

A) Ad blocking in youtube history:

It exists long before google introduced youtube red in multiple years over XDA if you are familiar with wanam's Xposed module and similar stuff around it. Later, youtube noticed it and for earning money out of all of the users, they introduced youtube red which will give users an ad-free experience. Vanced was born taking inspiration from such modules.

- If you are talking about creators who are not earning for using vanced, you should know they won't make millions out of those ads. It is still a valid point that they are not earning enough but its the user's sole discretion what they want to use.

- And the main source of income for youtube isn't ads. Youtube revolves around the merch and youtube premium subscriptions.

- Plus no one from the vanced team is forcing any user to use vanced. If you are pointing your finger at us for such, you should know using any third-party apps from the internet is not the responsibility of the developer of such apps. Vanced was only made for the personal uses of the team itself. It was made public due to its success.

The main basic rule of XDA: You are doing it at your own risk!

B) About background playback with PIP:

Almost every media player app you can think of has background playback and PIP. You can debate about it being piracy but if you are, consider every media app on the internet, the top being VLC distributing for free of cost.

And the most important fact, if it was ended due to ad-blocking being illegal, many companies have tried taking it to the court and have failed every time. And it would have been mentioned in the C&D letter we received that blocking ads is illegal and against youtube's terms of service. YouTube's TOS itself doesn't even mention ad-blocking is illegal. You can find their tos here: https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms

This all makes vanced live in a legal gray area.
[Android Apps and Games] zgfg:
Does discussing about all that makes any difference now

Since we must not discuss about alternatives, and neither about alternative sources for the installation of the Vanced (root or non-root) solutions, we can only continue using the Vanced app hoping it will work for a year or so (after that it will be outdated compared to the official YT, anyway)

IMHO, it might be better to freeze the thread as is - there are still valuable info in the thread for those who want and know how to search, and all newer posts would be either about something that is prohibited or something that more or less clutters the thread

I also expect that former Vanced team will stop participating here, hence it will become an orphaned thread anyway
[Android Apps and Games] TheMystic:
@Milind Goel

I didn't know you were part of the vanced team. No one (except Google owners and some content creators) is pointing fingers at you.

We are aware that the problem is not just because of ads being blocked, since there are so many other ways of doing it.

A lot of use here want to thank the vanced team for their work. You made YouTube a pleasurable experience, even more than the premium subscriptions (I think swipe controls are not present even in the premium subscriptions).

@zgfg

It is sad that vanced had to go this way. Hopefully a good alternative would come through soon.
[Android Apps and Games] chaous2000:
Non root vanced.
[Android Apps and Games] zgfg:
As expected. See with the other users using non-root, do they have issues

Probably something with MicroG, people used to have sporadic issues, and well before YT pulled off.

Search through the thread, people sometimes needed to restart or reboot, etc. Or there maybe a conflict with the MicroG built-in to the custom ROM, etc - I don't use non-root and cannot help but it is valuable to search through the thread, find similar posts/cases, etc

You can see how many other people answered that Vanced continues to work for them (unfortunately, many also not specifying do they use root or non-root)

And Vanced also wrote that for now the apps will continue to work - hence there is no confirmed info that YT has started to block anybody
[Android Apps and Games] DiamondJohn:
This is a little embarrassing, I too get frustrated when people post issues without distinguishing between the versions.

I am running root, Version 17.03.38, and its working.
[Android Apps and Games] chaous2000:
I tired rebooting and reinstalling everything from scratch. Still says I'm offline. The moment I boot up stock YouTube, it works perfectly. Slapped a screenshot just got sake of documentation. I'll scrape the thread once more and see if there's something I hadn't tired yet.

While I wasn't seeking help as I just took the loss, I the advice was appreciated.
[Android Apps and Games] TioCareca:
17.3.38 microg non root still working in 3 phones here
[Android Apps and Games] Venom0642:
Non root still works, so something yall doing on your end.
[Android Apps and Games] carlitobahsoun:
+1 same non root still work no single problem
[Android Apps and Games] chaous2000:
Well well well, look at that. Twas me all along, DIO!! Joking asside, i should have known beter to remove and re-add my account as a step in fixing the problem. Ill take that idiot of the month award, tyvm.
[Android Apps and Games] Kovaelin:
I guess it was time to finally update. The non-root legacy version I stayed on (14.21.54) started returning 400 errors earlier in the week, and then videos stopped playing altogether by Wednesday night. I downloaded the Manager just after the announcement over the weekend, and was still able to use it a couple days ago to get onto the latest version available. Everything is working again.

I also mention this, because I saw a couple people earlier saying that they lost access to their Google accounts, which I don't think is what actually happened.

Fingers crossed that the current version won't also be broken by Google any time soon though.
[Android Apps and Games] TioCareca:
Don't be so hard on yourself, sometimes the easy solution is the one we ignore the most.
[Android Apps and Games] TioCareca:
I don't think google will bam the accounts that use vanced, but we never know glad it was not your case.
[Android Apps and Games] Milind Goel:
Modified this a bit
[Android Apps and Games] zlaer:
Why not?
[Android Apps and Games] zlaer:
Which do you personally prefer?
[Android Apps and Games] TioCareca:
puretuber seems more like the official youtube, newpipe got good ad blocking, both don't have the ability to login.

try the two and see what you like the most...
[Android Apps and Games] :
A new era has begun guys:

GitHub - VueTubeApp/VueTube: A simple FOSS video streaming client aimed to recreate ALL features from their respective apps (and more)

A simple FOSS video streaming client aimed to recreate ALL features from their respective apps (and more) - VueTubeApp/VueTube

github.com

VueTube

vuetube.app
[Android Apps and Games] Austinredstoner:
Can u at least log into your Google account. If yes I'll definitely try it if not then possibly no unless Vanced stops working.
[Android Apps and Games] Austinredstoner:
U can try a YouTube alternative called odysee. No seriously this is not a Vanced alternative this is a YouTube alternative that has dislikes. It still has ads but premium is a lot cheaper than YouTube so you'll save a lot more money.
[Android Apps and Games] zlaer:
NewPipe seems to be very good. But is there a way to open up the apk to tweak the look? For example, change the red banner on top to black?
[Android Apps and Games] ->---:
2. Vanced source code will not be made public. Please do not ask for the same.

If I may give my opinion to this last sentence.

The best way to undermine cencorship, may it be economic or politic, is always to "lose" all necessary information in the net. What everybody knows is not suppressible. If somebody still tries, often the Streisand effect kicks in. Sure, you may also not be able to make money from it. But greed is one of the biggest progression hindrances of our time.
[Android Apps and Games] :
Will be implemented soon.

Check on Issues list.

This is an almost new project (started two months ago).
[Android Apps and Games] TioCareca:
i don't think it can...
[Android Apps and Games] Austinredstoner:
Thanks tried unstable build looks very broken but i sure it will work in 2 months or so when stable on way.
[Android Apps and Games] :
They practically update the repo every day.

Guess this trend will continue until the first stable build, that should contains the minimum necessary YouTube features.
[Android Apps and Games] zlaer:
I agree. Vanced will not distribute its source code since that will get them into breached legal trouble with google which has huge weight over Vanced.
[Android Apps and Games] klemi71:
Does anyone know an alternative for Vanced YouTube music? For me new pipe is fine only for replacing YouTube.
[Android Apps and Games] zlaer:
Actually I've seen a couple. One called Topping
[Android Apps and Games] Austinredstoner:
New pipe has SoundCloud that's music
[Android Apps and Games] cowsquad:
Not root version 17.03.38 working here just fine. I am using my default Google account. I installed it 2 days ago after unrooting my phone
[Android Apps and Games] FlyingMachete:
Hi all! I've been using root version for a long time with no problem and since "recent news" I also started to use the "detach from playstore" method through the detach magisk module with daily job scheduler module and terminal script to execute every hour. My question is simple: should the terminal session always stay open for the DJS script to run automatically? Thanks in advance.
[Android Apps and Games] zgfg:
IMHO it's much easier to use LSPosed and its module Hide My Applist

You setup once, no job scheduler, terminal script etc

I have detached 5 apps on one phone for 7-8 months, and 3 on another (new phone) for 2 months - no problem
[Android Apps and Games] FlyingMachete:
Hmm ok I'll look that module up too then tyvm!
[Android Apps and Games] RootedLee:
Releases · Dr-TSNG/Hide-My-Applist

An Xposed module to intercept applist detections. Contribute to Dr-TSNG/Hide-My-Applist development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com
[Android Apps and Games] zgfg:
@FlyingMachete

Post #19535:

https://xdaforums.com/t/app-mod-root-nonroot-vanced.3758757/post-85828495
[Android Apps and Games] stephtban:
I personally use Temefi and it works really well for detaching apps and is also a quite complete toolbox for android. As I remember it, Vanced team recommanded Temefi as the preferred method to detach their app
[Android Apps and Games] FlyingMachete:
Hi ty for your reply, I actually tried TeMiFi first but could only find "Languages -> com.google.android.youtube" as packages in it... It didn't seem like the actual YouTube package. Any idea about that?
[Android Apps and Games] stephtban:
You can filter the list of apps long pressing "X" (exit).

Head over the temefi thread, I remember several users having the same issue https://xdaforums.com/t/app-tool-temefi-comprehensive-system-administration.3806260/
[Android Apps and Games] XtraWater:
I'm still using Sudohide. Works fine
[Android Apps and Games] :
Patience guys... Everything is under control.

The current version of Vanced will run for another 2 years before its total disposal, and a similar (or same) alternative will be already released by then. VueTube growing every day and all suggestions have been accepted (including TV casting).

P.S: Seems that VueTube developer is part of YTDislike extension team. :)
[Android Apps and Games] zlaer:
How do you know this for sure?

Does it still retain yt's premium service?

I downloaded the VueTube zip file. But how do you install it if its not an apk?
[Android Apps and Games] :
1). Based on what one of admins said.

2). Check on Vuetube discord server.
[Android Apps and Games] aygul12345:
I can't wait for Vuetube!
[Android Apps and Games] :
Hope they'll release a good stable version in Summer.
[Android Apps and Games] DiamondJohn:
What? Ive never seen that! That would be something I would like to see if you have any link?

Its NOT the description that gets detached. Its the code/identifier. ie com.google.android.youtube The description is only for display/extra info within TeMeFI, and it simply displays what the play store has recorded as the description (right OR WRONG). The fact that it shows up with the wrong name is a BUG on Googles side in their Playstore app data. I too have seen the "Languages" in the description, and the detach continues to work; as its the code that detachment is based on. And as hinted in the first quote, come for the detach, but stay for the 500+ other methods ;)
[Android Apps and Games] stephtban:
I just verified and it's indeed the method they point to in their "troubleshooting/detach" post that is still pinned in their (huch! don't say it!) channel. Kudos to you! that's something!

Spoiler content hidden.
[Android Apps and Games] DiamondJohn:
OK, I found it on their instructions on how to detach/stop updates.

Troubleshooting for vanced

These are only user-side issues. So there's nothing the Vanced team can do about it. Only you can solve them by reading the relevant solution. These questions are addressed in the order of most common to least common. Ensure that you downloaded vanced apps using the official links provided by...

telegra.ph

The funny things are that they spell TeMeFI wrong, and without the capitalisation they wrote it as "TeMiFi" or "Temifi" :mad: :LOL: Thats a compliment that they even know of my app. They also incorrectly state it does not work if YouTube is included in the ROM. I am using a Pixel 4A, which obviously has google apps including YouTube. The trick is the PlayStore has to have YouTube registered, which may not always be the case on first boot. I and others have used the following trick to get it registered and available for detachment.

https://xdaforums.com/t/app-tool-te...-administration.3806260/page-49#post-85403505
[Android Apps and Games] stephtban:
I didn't see the typo :D

well... you didn't get the moon but to the sky ;)
[Android Apps and Games] Dragon_16:
What link did you download this version?
[Android Apps and Games] cowsquad:
See post #20115 on page 1006
[Android Apps and Games] zlaer:
Can someone post a link to vuetube to download the apk? I'm having trouble finding it. Would appreciate it.
[Android Apps and Games] Dragon_16:
Thanks.

Could you tell me where I can get the root version?
[Android Apps and Games] Milind Goel:
I am really sorry for this. I have fixed the name now. And yes, it is our preferred method since we found this.

We didn't know of this. Though we could ask you personally but I didn't know if i really could. Btw where I can find this trick?
[Android Apps and Games] zgfg:
Vuetube does not provide a link to download the APK and I don't feel ok to attach/share my downloaded copy

(This is also a general policy on XDA:

If a thread is opened for XXX, it is not a place to share the YYY apps)

Actually, let them (Frontesque) open an XDA thread for Vuetube, and let us discuss, share, etc about that app, through its dedicated thread - this thread is for Vanced

Anyway, I think the GitHub link was given here. Or it can be googled:

GitHub - VueTubeApp/VueTube: A simple FOSS video streaming client aimed to recreate ALL features from their respective apps (and more)

A simple FOSS video streaming client aimed to recreate ALL features from their respective apps (and more) - VueTubeApp/VueTube

github.com

On that page, scroll to the Builds - as on the screenshot, and click on

Then scroll to the first green one - again as on the screenshot

Click on, and scroll down to Artifacts (screenshot), and click on Android

***It will download the zip file, simply open the zip file and find inside the app-release.apk to install VueTube

However, Artifacts are automatic builds produced upon successful commits (not the stable or beta releases), hence the last step *** requires that you have your GitHub account and that you are logged in with (without, you can't download)

As somebody said, zips can be also found on their Discord channel - link is also on the GitHub.

Since I don't use Discord, I didn't try but anybody who is interested should/can install Discord and try there - it should be easier than catching-up with GitHub

PS: With that downloaded VueTube version I was not able to play in background (or didn't find how to enable that)

That feature, and blocking ads are the most (practically only) important features for me.

Things like disliking or so - I don't need.

Hence for the moment, I don't see the VueTube as a replacement for Vanced.

Well see later when they release

Besides, Vanced still works great, I even intentionally use the last but one (root) 16.39.29
[Android Apps and Games] MeatSMurderer:
Unless I'm missing something here, which I might be, as I'm not exactly privvy to the details of any communiqué between yourselves and YouTube...but it seems to me from what you've said that the issue is purely with the branding and logo? If that's the case couldn't you just...rebrand? Instead of "YouTube Vanced" become just "Vanced". Discontinuing the entire project over the branding seems a little like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Of course it might be that you guys wanted to bring it to a close eventually anyway, in which case, fair enough. Anyway, it's been a good run and hopefully Vanced continues to work for the foreseeable future. So long, and thanks for all the fish :)
[Android Apps and Games] Milind Goel:
If we had changed the branding before we received the C&D, it would still be continued. But since we already had received the letter and got to know that we are actually using their trademark, we were already under google's radar.

And it was not just the branding that led to the discontinuation because we did actually change it in the end. It's the part where they told us to remove download links and not distribute them further again. Pretty clever move by google.

So instead of keeping the project alive and getting sued in the end, we discontinued it.
[Android Apps and Games] DiamondJohn:
No need to appologise, its not really a word to begin with, and who in their right mind does mid-word casing.... except me ;)

I have posted it in the TeMeFI thread many times, but since the detach is only 1 of 500+ methods, its scattered here and there. Below is one example which I think is the last time in that thread, but I have a feeling I have told it recently in THIS thread. Found it!

As for needing or not having a stock system install, thats not required. My detach method blocks updates without any knowledge of the version or where it is currently installed, or even if its installed at all. I use it to stop Google installing Bloat on my Pixel phone, while keeping the default google apps in a playstore list of what "should" be on my device.. It simply stops any updates/installs for the selected app. And hence, it should block any selected app, including ones that dont exist today on your device or even on the PlayStore; and I use it on many. But the app has to be attached to your account, and thus the little dance I suggest above. It seems to attach the app just before it installs it, and hence the cancel.

EDIT: Ha! :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: You now are closer, but you still have an extra "i" in the name, just before the F. Its TeMeFI not TeMe

i

Fi

EDIT2: I guess you can update the name when you remove the need for stock YT. Just saw there is also a "temifi"
[Android Apps and Games] Austinredstoner:
This website still has download links for YouTube Vanced

YouTube Vanced - Download YouTube Vanced APK

YouTube Vanced is modded version of YouTube client for Android

youtubevanced.com
[Android Apps and Games] Milind Goel:
not our website and not our responsibility anymore either. If you get malware, your fault. If they get dmca, their issue.
[Android Apps and Games] Milind Goel:
ah so the point is to attach first then detach using TeMeFi. What if the user doesn't have stock yt installed, like many users are custom ROM users without prebuilt apps. Do they need to install yt first from play store itself? or ig they should just install vanced then do the steps above.
[Android Apps and Games] DiamondJohn:
and from what I saw (onlu lookad at it quickly), it only had download links for the MANAGER not the app.
[Android Apps and Games] DiamondJohn:
If you dont have ANY youtube installed, its similar steps, its just the order which may be a preference choice.

I think the way I personally did it was to

1. Install Vanced

2. Do the install & cancel of YouTube in the Playstore dance

3. Run the detach in TeMeFI

Logically, it sounds like there is a VERY small risk that the playstore will update youtube inbetween steps 2 & 3. But its never happened to me.

The other order of actions would be to

1. Do the install & cancel of YouTube in the Playstore dance

2. Run the detach in TeMeFI

3. Install Vanced.

The only gotcha I have come across is if I have youTube detached, and then try to to run the PlayStore install, the Playstore will be impolitely shut down. Thats the block in action, blindy doing its job.
[Android Apps and Games] x.trinity:
You should install the manager first. Then you'll find out how to manage the other ones.
[Android Apps and Games] Milind Goel:
Troubleshooting for vanced

These are only user-side issues. So there's nothing the Vanced team can do about it. Only you can solve them by reading the relevant solution. These questions are addressed in the order of most common to least common. Ensure that you downloaded vanced apps using the official links provided by...

telegra.ph

Hope all the changes are perfect now
[Android Apps and Games] DiamondJohn:
I havent tried, but from my understanding its shut down, so having the manager wont get you Vanced anymore. I think someone actually posted a screenshot of that fact. So to be explicit, the manager is NOT Vanced, so this download is NOT of Vanced; which is what I posted.
[Android Apps and Games] x.trinity:
I updated my Vanced a few days ago.
[Android Apps and Games] DiamondJohn:
Same here. That was "a few days ago", not now. A cease and desist from google would of stopped it now. Thats what ALL the last few pages of posts are about. If you run the manager, now, Vanced is unavailable for installation, now.
[Android Apps and Games] bbortel93:
Strange...I just clean flashed Nameless ROM 30 minutes ago and had no problem installing latest rooted build 🤷
[Android Apps and Games] x.trinity:
Its still available on my side.
[Android Apps and Games] Milind Goel:
Intended

Spoiler content hidden.
[Android Apps and Games] XtraWater:
Can be VueTube installed parallel to Vanced?
[Android Apps and Games] chooks06:
Hi mate! How have you been?

If one taps on "looking for older version" below the download button, he/she will be redirected.

On a quick glance, not that noticeable.

BUT as @Milind Goel had posted.. Effectively saying.. Ain't my problem if you use that (for other links..Caveat emptor implied, I guess)..

I believe that was the link that existed before they switched to "Vancedapp.com". Sorry but I'm a bit floozy after too much alcohol..

But lately replied "intended" which suggests to me if "you know where you're at and what you're getting.. Good to go.."

I had a great time with VYT and had shared with the best of friends, usually Seniors..

My heartfelt thanks to the team!

Please stay in good health!

Best regards..

Chooks
[Android Apps and Games] TioCareca:
Yes, not same application...
[Android Apps and Games] :
rip yt vanced 🥺