yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
You will need to download the files in post #2

N950USQU6DSH3 and Odin3_v3.13.3b, extract them both

Backup your data

, this WILL wipe your device to factory, and you will want it to, since you are coming from a much older firmware (Bootloader version and major firmware revisions)

I also recommend NOT using the HOME_CSC, use the regular CSC file.

If you need more help on How to use Odin, I recommend doing a bunch of searching and reading. Learn what you are doing before you try anything in case something goes wrong
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] sem7868:
i am on 7.1.1 stock. at&t usa n950usqu1aqia. Can i update to pie with the link above.

Also is it wise to update now or wait for the root to release?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
Yes you can update to current with the files referenced above. Since the firmware you're running is that old, old as in, Aug 2017 OLD, for security reasons alone I would update without question right away.

I would not bother waiting for root whether it's currently available or not (I couldn't tell you if it is). That device has missed a LOT of security updates.

Keep in mind that you really want to make sure you back up and do a factory reset.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] sem7868:
Thank you so much for such a quick response.

I already updated it to pie and and it's working flawless.

Also i would like to share my experience.

I got and error in phone at 32% and after i reboot it started the update process and got updated to pie. I uploaded

bl in bl

Ap in ap

Cp in cp

And

Csc i didn't uploaded HOME_csc but the other one and still all the data in my phone's internal storage is as it is as it was in 7.1.1.

Hope i haven't made any mistakes.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
I've had/seen that error at 32% before, and good that it completed without issue.

My "typical" standard for flashing firmware in Odin is do a factory reset (or 2) before flashing, and I use the same files you did but I also include the USERDATA. It does ad the bloat, but it adds the features that are available for the specific carrier SIM you are using, (Like Wi-fi calling on AT&T)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] barry99705:
Is there a 6dsh1 to 6dsh3 update? Mine is still on 1.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
I'm not seeing much in the way of updates on Firmware.science for the N8
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] Koizuma:
N950USQU5DRL6, sorry I'm just now seeing this XD A didn't notify me when you quoted me
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
No Worries!

Unfortunately, you're on one of the original Pie Betas and there are no update packages (that I've seen) to get to stock. Your only real option is Odin, I'm afraid.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] Koizuma:
Problem is with that, everytime I go and try to flash a build it fails every single time. Odin will recognize the phone but, it just fails all the time.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
Of course the typical battery of questions ;)

Are you using the mod version of Odin from post 2?

Are you plugging your USB right to the PC

Before you flash, go into Recovery Mode and do a Factory reset 3-4 times, and clear cache too

Also, maybe try going to 5CRK1 with Odin as an "off the wall idea", then using Odin to go to current stock
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] barry99705:
Finally got 6dsh3 pushed to me yesterday. Only two months behind now!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] LuvrGirl:
I just got the S6DSI3 OTA update with Oct security patch [emoji106]
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
I have a copy of USC N950USQS6DSJ1, I can't say if this will roll out ot AT&T, 'cause they like to keep secrets ;)

I'm going to try to get it uploaded to AFH, but I've been having a TON of issues uploading to them lately, every single attempt errors.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kenfly:
I downloaded the N950USQU6DSH3 in post #2 and it seems to be a sprint version
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] barry99705:
Thought all the note firmwares depend on the sim installed to install whatever carrier changes.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
FINALLY was able to get 6DSI3 uploaded to post #2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] Johnnytea:
I just want to get this 100% correct. Currently I'm on

N950USQ2BQL5, would I be able to follow the steps and flash to say N950USQS6DSI3

I'm not really sure what a Stock ROM is refering to? or if N950USQS6DSI3 is a stock rom?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
Stock firmware are ones that are released by the carriers OTA(AT&T/SPR/VZW, etc).

You would NEED to install the Odin version, upgrading isn't going to be in your cards, since you're on such an old firmware. Be sure to BACK UP, you will want to allow this to wipe and start from a clean install especially since you're on a bootloader that is 4 steps back (2BQL5 came out around Dec 2017)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
Added a link for USC N950USQU7DSK3 in post #2. This is Bootloader 7, if you flash it, there's no going back to a Bootloader 6 firmware
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] Koizuma:
You wouldnt happen to know a linux solution to Odin would you?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
I'm not aware, but take a look here?

https://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s4/i9505-orig-develop/odin-linux-t3909397
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] Overgloc:
Link to any Changes for Bootloader 7? Worth the Update? Thanks Kang for all you doing!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
I think they are always worth the update, if NOTHING else, you're getting a security update. THe only thing I'm able to find on this firmware is -

November security patch

UI changes for multimedia attachments

Camera updates

Fixed Contacts issue
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
I added a link for TMB's Stock N950USQS7DSK6 to post 2. Keep in mind that if you're on AT&T and flash it, you'll lose OTA (Unless AT&T uses DSK6 as their next stock)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] DISKbrake:
Hello, i just got this Note 8, i am actually stuck on Android Oreo, and i'd lile to update it, i see that my build version is:

R16NW.N950USQU5CRIA

My doubt:

Can i flash another rom based on pie with odin, or do i have to flash the last update which is oreo and stay on that?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] m3ddl3r:
thanks

Thank you for the work Man.

By taking csc Home file I managed not to reset the phone
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
Sorry for the SUPER late response.

You can Odin directly to the latest file in post #2 (be sure to DL Odin there too, you NEED to use the modded version I have posted there).

That being said, I honestly have no idea what is stock firmware for who anymore. I THINK maybe the latest is N950USQU7DSK6 (link in post 2) or even DSK7 (Although I havent found any links for DSK7 yet)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] Megadeus50:
Support

Hello. I have a question I hope you can help with. I have the at&t note 8. My android version is 8 and I want to upgrade to pie.

I am unable to use a sim card in it anymore and its not unlocked. The version I have is N950USQS5CRG9. What update file do I download? You told someone else the latest but Idk what file is latest.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
N950USQU7DSK6 might be the latest AT&T Firmware but it actually doesn't matter at all. The specific ROM features that are installed are done by identifying the carrier SIM that's installed
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] TsunaXZ:
Ok so after using the Pie 9.0 (DRL7) for 5 months I feel going back to Oreo 0.8 (CRK1) cuz of some stuffs that is missing. but the link isn't working properly. Please fix thanks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] TsunaXZ:
CRK1 stock file doesn't have mirrors (Error: No mirrors found).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
That link is working fine for me. You may want to try a different browser.

Keep in mind that Firmware is over a year old.........
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] TsunaXZ:
Yep the link itself is working but the site won't find any downloadable links. I've already tried 3 different browsers.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
Looks like AFH is having some problems then. I don't have a local copy to upload, sorry.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] TsunaXZ:
Is that so, Ok I've found an alternative it's the same

N950USQS5CRK1 (3.93gb) but it's T-mobile I'm wondering if it will work out?

---------- Post added at 02:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:30 AM ----------

Is that so.. I've found the same stock rom N950USQS5CRK1 But it's T-mobile I'm wondering if it will workout or what will happen.?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
It'll work, they are all the same firmware packages. It's the active SIM that defines what "brand" is being installed. If you have an active SIM on T-Mo then it'll install the T-Mo features/branding, AT&T, then you get the AT&T stuff. If you're not in the US and on one of the carriers, It'll work, I am just not 100% sure what the device will be flashed as.

Since you're going from a beta to stock, and ESPECIALLY since you're downgrading, I can't recommend enough to backup and wipe the device
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
There's currently a rumor that is coming from SamMobile that the Galaxy S8 and Galaxy Note 8 will be getting Android 10 in 2020. LINK

Take it with a grain of salt....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
Uploading link to N950USQS7DSL2. This looks to be stock for TMB/SPR and USC. I cant say for sure about ATT or VWZ though
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] TsunaXZ:
Ok I've changed my mind I'm updating my Beta DRL7 to non beta (latest pie) do you have any of that? Thanks.

This beta version has bugs such as this on camera: [youtube]kqvrUHHWCbY[/youtube]

and missing modes; Sports shot, Virtual shot & Rear camera selfie. They're missing even though it's already downloaded through Galaxy Store.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] andro-noob:
No update for Note 8 N950U

Hi!

Its my first post and new to xda forums so bear with me if I seems naive. I have got this Note 8 as a gift from friend in USA and its android 7.1 version. I tried using bixby but it says update to 9.0 pie, but when I checked updates it says fully updated. What to do? If no OTA update available for my country(Pakistan) then how to update it. Please guide, I have attached screenshot of my phone's about page if it helps

Version: 7.1

Model: SM-N950U

Baseband: N950USQU2BQJA

Build Number: NMF26X.N950USQU2BQJA

[IMG="screenshot of about page"]https://ibb.co/BLmkN3F[/IMG]
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
Yeah, I actually just uploaded the latest version to post #2 last evening. (I think you're making a smart choice IMO) CRK1 is REALLY old and missing a lot of security updates
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
You'll want to download N950USQS7DSL2 and Odin3_v3.13.3b from post #2. Be sure to backup everything because it's going to wipe the device. There are methods for doing it without wiping, but the firmware that the device is currently on was released in late 2017.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] andro-noob:
Is there any way to do it without wiping the device.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
There is, but I would HIGHLY recommend wiping. You're coming from a firmware that is 2 years old, 5 bootloaders ago and a base that is 2 generations ago (7.1.1=Nougat, 8.0=Oreo, 9.0-Pie). If you are absolutely dead set against wiping, there is info in this thread to tell you how. But remember if you do and it starts to behave funky, a wipe will need to happen.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] andro-noob:
Thanks alot. I will keep that in mind and have a backup just in-case.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] TsunaXZ:
I've tried flashing the newest update and the CRK1 (8.0) they both have errors:

<ID:0/005> Odin engine v(ID:3.1301)..

<ID:0/005> File analysis..

<ID:0/005> Total Binary size: 4920 M

<ID:0/005> SetupConnection..

<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 0 / failed 1)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] barry99705:
Usually when that happens, I have to try a different computer. For some reason I get a 90% failure rate on my windows 10 desktop, but this old ass windows xp tablet works every time, just takes forever over the usb1 connection. :eek:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] TsunaXZ:
Yep lmao I was nervous because I can't seem to find any 2.0 port but thankfully I found my Lenovo idealpad which works. Sometimes new aren't reliable such as my MSI laptop. As of this writing update is currently in progress. Thanks for advices.

Update: It does work but I've got error on 32% and it failed :/

Update 2: It does boot even though it's does have an error but It does update the phone lmao I'm now rocking the latest pie update I'm so happy it fixed the bugs on my camera.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] jack man:
FYI... New update came in today for me
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
SamFirm hasn't caught up yet. Still showing DSL2 for USC/SPR/TMB. As soon as it does, I'll grab a copy and get it uploaded to AFH
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kpatel123456:
Hello,

I was able to update my device from 7.1.1 to 8.0.0 build N950USQU3CRA4. I am currently using Tmobile service. I would like to update to the latest 9.0 OS, but i can't seem to find an update patch from my build. Can someone help me with this?

I think if i can update to N950USQU3CRD7, or N950USQU4CRE1, or latest in line of updates my device should auto update moving forward. if possible please search for note 8 tmobile update path.

Thank you for all help possible.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
The "Update" path from where you are to current stock would not be worth your time (and frankly not 100% guarantee there even is one). Since the one you are on is upwards of 2 years old, your best bet would be to Odin to the current version. All of the downloads are in post 2, including Odin patched version

Edit: Current Firmware I can see for TMB is DSL2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] jack man:
Wow... Pulled down another OTA update today. I'm assuming just security stuff but I have no idea. Maybe they haven't forgotten about the Note 8...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
I haven't been able to find the AT&T DTA6, but I did get DTA5 (SPR) link added to post 2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
There has been a rumor or 2 floating around that the N8 may get Android 10. If I hear anything I'll let yall know
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] alberto_toli:
N950usqu7dta3

what would happen if i try to flash DTA5 t mobile on a att n950u, according to att page it should be DTA3 but i cannot find it
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
You can flash it without any issue, but you wont get OTA while on a "Not AT&T Stock" firmware. If you're on a current firmware you can Odin without wiping by using

BL

AP

CL

HOME_CSC (Not the regular CSC),

DO NOT use USERDATA

If you're on an older firmware, I would recommend wiping
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] alberto_toli:
Thanks a lot
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] m3ddl3r:
thanks bro
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
https://www.sammobile.com/news/galaxy-s8-galaxy-note-8-will-not-be-getting-android-10-update/

Bad news for y'all
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] j.lee2020:
Is N950USQS7DTA5 firmware for T-Mobile? looking for N950USQS7DTA6 for ATT
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] stylazation:
Which stable non beta version to flash?

Hello,

Much thanks in Advance to whom ever looking forward to help here.

I am running N950USQU5DRL7.

was at CRIA upgraded to CRJ3, did CRJ3 to CRK1, and finally CRK1 to DRL7 as per recommended by firmware science.

Now firmware science doesn't show any update regarding where to go next after DRL7 with December 2018 security patch.

Is there any newer firmware that I can load, from DRL7 and get latest security patches and updates. Kindly guide. I am attaching down below the current status of the software information. Running 950USQU5DRL7. I am not on any Carrier. I can tell that by the fact, no carrier logo shows up at start. So let's just say it is the unlocked version. I followed updates from firmware science and reached till the DRL7 which updated it to 9.0. I am also not in the region hence not received any OTA updates and only reason I decided to manually update using ADB sideload update.zip process. Also the update list for different carriers such as update version list doesn't include 950USQU5DRL7 which was recommended by firmware science. As you can down below with attachment that I am running old security patch and need to update.

Product code: SM-950UZKAXAC

Firmware CSC: XAA

Active CSC: XAC

Bootloader, PDA, CSC, Baseband

n950USQU5DRL7

Kindly advice. Much obliged.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
Since you're on a very old Beta, there will be no "updates" that will get you to a current firmware. You have no choice but to Odin to 7DTA5, it's the latest I have uploaded. Both the Odin files and modded Odin are available in Post #2. Be sure to back up everything, you will want to ensure that you wipe the device and start from a fresh install.

Going forward, you'll be able to Odin without wiping but for now you want to wipe.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
Hey Everyone, The Update.zip files have become very old and useless. It doesn't appear that Firmware.Science is updating their site any longer (Haven't for a LONG time). Anyone who MAY be on a firmware they have listed will need to Odin to a current firmware to get up to speed.

I'll leave the link in the OP for you all, but it really is quite useless.

I'll continue to try and get the Odin files as they drop and add them to post #2 for everyone
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] stylazation:
Checking deeply the carrier version is VZW which stands for Verizon wireless. I do not see any Verizon boot logo.

Phone model is SM-950U

In service provider it shows SM-950W

Not sure which version to download.

Second can I use the Adb update sideload process? Kindly guide.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
You have a lot of interesting stuff going on there. Since the Model is displaying a N950U, you should be able to install the latest Firmware on post 2 (7DTA5). When you flash, be sure to leave the SIM card installed, it will install based on the active SIM card carrier network. Thats why you don't see and VZW splash screen..

You should use Odin to install the firmware. Populating the slots with -

BL

AP

CP

CSC (Use the Regular CSC, not the CSC_HOME)

USERDATA
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] Gerti.shkulaku:
Hello!

I'm trying to odin the latest update version to my note 8 at&t. Im currently at DSL2 version trying to get DTA5 but Odin always fail. I have tried 3 different usb cables but i still get the same error.

Any ideas.

Thanks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
Sorry for the delayed response!

Make sure you use the Odin that's in Post #2. I also might recommend going into recovery and wiping a few times before going into Download/Odin
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
Were you able to get to DTA5?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] Gerti.shkulaku:
Thanks for your support!

Yes i updated it finally using another pc.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] stylazation:
I have successfully updated my device to DTA5.

Thanks for the help. Been busy, and couldn't do it before. Took around 8 minutes in the process. Also I don't know why user data was recommended to be selected and who's user data it is. As other tutorial on the tube did not opt for that. Would love to learn more.

Second, Would love to root it now and use Xposed.

Any help regarding that is welcomed. Running a snap dragon device with DTA5 flashed, Feb 2020 security patched, working fine.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
Added links to post 2 for 7DTC1 and 7DTC2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] barry99705:
Just an fyi, 7DTC2 has ****ty gps signaling.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] riveralc:
So does CT build.. Google maps sucked for me yesterday.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] riveralc:
Seems uninstalling latest updates then reinstalling Google maps fixed my compass calibration as it always showed low before and now shows high.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] barry99705:
I was having the same issues with waze as well. Flashed back to dta5.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] TsunaXZ:
You sure? Cuz I'm on 5DSD3 (Pretty old yeah) but I'm planning to update but Idk what's new or if it's worth or not. Thanks.

---------- Post added at 07:04 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:50 AM ----------

I also came from DRL7, actually you'll wanna try N950USQU5DSD3 since it's bootloader 5 as well and you can go back if you've any issues with it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] barry99705:
You can flash it and try the uninstall maps and reinstall that riveralc did. Worst case you have to flash back to the current att release like I did.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] 7ja777:
Manually updating from android 7.1.1?

hello, I have an older note 8 on N950USQS3BRA8, I am with AT&T and have called them and Samsung and both keep telling me they can't help me updates it. It won't update via OTA even though I am in the states with 2 different active aT&T sims. AT&T say it is out of support and they won't be updating any more.

With the links in the 2nd post, if I want to do a manual update with ODIN, which one do I use? THere are so many. And can I just update to PIE, or do I need to do one at a time, if so, which ones? Thank you for your help.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
So the current AT&T Stock firmware is CTC1 and there is a DL for it and the version of Odin you'll need in post 2. Since the firmware you are on is over 2 years old (BRA8 was Jan 2018 Security update), you need to back up everything and install CTC1 allowing it to wipe the device.

In Odin you'll want to use the files - BL, AP, CP, CSC and USER_DATA (The only file you wont use is the HOME_CSC)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] 7ja777:
Do you mean the DTC1 in the first 2nd Post? You wrote CTC1 twice above. I assume I should download the top file in the second post. Thanks so much for your help.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kangi26:
Yeah sorry..... DTC1 is the right one :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] 7ja777:
Thanks! Downloading now. Can odin be used successfully via parallels on a mac, or is there an osx version? Or would I need to find a PC to use? Sorry for the newb questions. Its been a few years since I have used odin.