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[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
U can't buy from paytm directly. U need to scan the paytm QR code at stores to buy the s9/s9+.

Yes, spigen cases may mess with screen protectors, so do other cases. I do not use any screen protector on my phones btw, gorilla glass 5 isn't easy to scratch and don't use any tempered glass as well as I have more trust on the glass than those cheap tempered glasses. , I do not find them worth applying. Just for the sake of one, I tried one from Amazon.in and then just removed it.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] billubakra:
So, we scan the code and the paytm phone number from which it is scanned gets 9000, right? Input tax credit cannot be claimed in this instance.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
Why not if the invoice is generated by paytm separately against your/the farm's credentials already put? The cashback+invoice on farm's name combo probably won't work.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] billubakra:
Actually invoice will be generated by the store, cashback will be given by paytm to the number entered by store.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
Right, but the stores need to follow the format provided by paytm where cgst, sgst amounts need to be mentioned and when credentials r provided by the consumer(including the gstin no) , paytm should facilitate it and I think they are bound to do it. Did u talk to paytm btw?

Ps: Stores give(don't know about every store) their own bill as the product is "delivered" then and there itself, later u get the paytm generated(created together with the store) invoice in your account.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] billubakra:
Yes I did and they won't bill anything. Just 9000 cashback after we pay the showroom.

How much did you pay BTW? I read somewhere that a drop in prices is certain after the launch of op6. Let's see if I can find a good deal by then or not. If I use the same Samsung account on two devices, then how will apps like Samsung Health work? I mean combine step count of both devices?

Anyone here using gadgetshieldz for the s9+?
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
Paid about Rs 55600(6000 paytm cashback+store discount) , a little more than a month back.

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No idea how would health app work that way, haven't checked it.

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I "tested" gadgetshieldz for s7 edge, some 2 yrs back, turned out to be another crapshield(for me).
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] billubakra:
Paytm cashback offer on the s9/s9+ has been withdrawn. The latter one is being sold for Rs.64400/- :(
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
Yup. But such offers keep coming.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] billubakra:
Don't know when the next will come
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
Ofcourse none knows. That's how it works.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] aj7400:
I just checked , the paytm offer is still available
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] shuvadeep:
I have used it on multiple devices and using it on the S9+ now. It works very well for me. Wont give you protection from falls, but gives pretty good scratch protection.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] billubakra:
Idk bro the shopkeeper is saying otherwise. Any way to order online for that cashback?

Are you using the case fit one?
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] aj7400:
It still shows on paytm .

The 9000 cashback was just announced 5 days back .. and cannot be withdrawn so quickly
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
Even though in one of my posts I mentioned that after "reset settings", the heat issue isn't like before, one thing I'm noticing clearly is that the phone stays somewhat warm when weather is very hot and even when I use the phone indoors 99% of the time. Well, 5T stays cool at the same time...

Ambient temperature could be a reason and Exynos 9810 is another reason.

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That "overall" thing is confusing now a days when we look at comparisons etc. in the internet.

On a "practical" day to day use, the screen quality and the camera of s9 plus are the two noticiable things I see above the oneplus 5T.

On the other hand, apps open faster, battery lasts longer, charges faster, stays cool no matter how I use the phone, FP and face unlock is quicker on the 5T.

My experience on both the phones exactly matches with Android Police:

[youtube]9zWjBQua5Lk[/youtube]
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
AIDA64 thermals: First : S9+, 2nd : OP5T.

Same apps, same settings.(most bloats disabled using BK disabler in s9+).
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
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[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
Does it remain at 40 for extended periods though ?

3c battery monitor keeps a tab of battery temps throughout the day and you can check how it compares with the 5T

How hot is indoors for you ? if S9's s at 40 when your ambient is say 25 then its working harder than it should be

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Automated tests don't say much as to what to expect. I prefer reviewers that actually use the phone

[YOUTUBE]S1Ym6IXSpt0[/YOUTUBE]

That guy's the best at this but even he struggles here to get a proper read from the S9. it's inconsistent
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
It crosses above 40 even with light usage without doing anything graphics intensive at all (like games and such)in indoors when ambient is about 37 degrees celsius(outside temperature).

Surprisingly, 5T stays at about 35, 35.6 degrees indoors( outside temperature is 37 degrees) with exactly same usage patterns.

Factory resetting/erasing cache etc etc. didn't do much help.

*i did check with another S9 plus Exynos, came up with similar results*

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Yeah, watched the video now.

Very inconsistent battery life, and falls at a category of "average" battery endurance imo. I'm so damn sure that it's the poorly programmed schedutil governor in the Exynos 9810 resulting in bad battery life and heat.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] rn9215:
Sorry man, looks like it will reflect on my next month bill only, as my current bill doesn't include anything.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
Am a little confused here. Last post you said you were indoors. Never mind what the temperature is outdoors. What is your temperature indoors ?

It's normal to see ambient +5 to 10 °C higher battery temps, If you're on data closer to ten possibly over but the new CPUs' 820 onwards are better here. For a 10nm chip i expect similar.

So if i was in a room that was between 25-30 then an avg battery temp somewhere around mid thirties is normal.

One plus might be cooler because it has a metal back. The Galaxy is all glass.

If the one plus battery runs cooler, by as much as five degrees (!) then it will have better battery. No two ways about it.

I was chating with someone in the S9 thread and his stats are exactly what the S8 gives. He has no problem at all. I think he was on wifi but this reviewer was on wifi too and even there it was inconsistent unlike with the S7 or S8

The problem with poorly programmed governor theory is everybody should face this problem not only a few.

Is the weather to blame here ? i don't think so it was just as hot this time last year and before and battery peformance was fine
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
Say about 33 inside house, about 36 outside. Ofcourse expected better ftom the cpu, which isn't the case with the s9 plus.

If I'm not wrong it's the other way around regarding metal/glass. A metal back on a phone will always have a hot spot where the chipset is. And sometimes they can get uncomfortably hot, so the 5T should have been hotter, but it isn't. It's the s9 plus with a glass back which is uncomfortably hot sometimes, and to verify it, I checked with another s9 plus, only to come up with similar results.

Not blaming the weather, blaming the phone instead. If u do a Google search, there r many who r talking about it. So it's not a "few", it's many. Also, that governor thing isn't a theory, it's a lab tested outcome tbh. When I'm so facing the issues that wasn't the case with Pixel 2 xl and isn't the case with 5T, I have no other options other than believing those lab tests.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
33 inside means can't say 40 is too hot. Might be hotter than another but its not too hot if that makes sense.

Is there nothing that shows up as running in the background. BK disable is all well and good so long as you got everything and didn't break anything. Pushing it can be counter productive. Less is more in this package disable business. With a lot of testing for no adverse side effects. That testing is really lacking on these boards.

How do explain this

result

then ?

He says he's getting better than the S8+ but those figures are exactly what the S8+ delivers. Or this is what i expect to see with the S9+

Its one lab test from anandtech. Consider there really isn't a way to do a comparison since exynos is exclusive to the galaxies. Maybe this will be clarified with the next Note. I find it hard to believe samsung would get this wrong on their own chip. I mean they make chips for qualcom as well.

Samsung saying there is nothing wrong could be damage control. Deny there is a problem but work to fix it behind the scenes

People on this board have a God complex. A bunch of guys here can do a better job optimising somebody else's product than said company's army of engineers at a multinational ?
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
Using a phone with 40 degrees c. is no way comfortable on normal usage pattern and unacceptable when other flagships don't do that.

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I won't deny users getting long sot with every possible "tweak" across the board, that gets explained then and there itself, but it's more practical to compare flagships when same apps installed, usage pattern is unchanged and keeping settings etc. as close as possible. In addition, I expressed my experience with older Samsung flagships.

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Nothing suspicious running in the background atleast to my eyes , so has to be with something else, the poorly programmed scheduler for example, OEMs do mess up things especially when done first time, nothing new for Samsung. And Samsung has never been very good at admitting(I used every Samsung flagship excluding the note series) . Used the s8 plus too, didn't find it this hot or battery hogging.They may work to resolve without admitting but I doubt on that too, bcoz as a phone maker, they will have to "save" things for the upcoming Note 9, is a practice followed by Apple, Samsung and many other top tiers.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
A small OTA update is being rolled out, check for any changes.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
Part ll released, healing that wound will not be "successful". At most, there will be some improvements if at all Samsung tries:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12620/improving-the-exynos-9810-galaxy-s9-part-2
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] aj7400:
So a chip manufacturer like samsung who is manufacturing for qualcomm has failed to deliver just for the sake of sales based on synthetic benchmarks while compromising totally on the performance/battery balance .

I wish i could have skipped the exynos s9plus and bought a snapdragon 845 ( may be oneplus 6 ) running mobile for 2018 .
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
Samsung is one company that keeps experimenting with something new, and sometimes end up messing up and then never admits it when things go wrong.

U can have the SD version imported compromising warranty and software support.

OP6 is guaranteed to be faster, smoother but then, u will have to live with inferior camera(was never good at it) , late security patches , buggy OTAs and stuff imo....!
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] aj7400:
Yeaa i owned a oneplus 2 , oneplus x and oneplus 3 in the past .

The ota's were always buggy , oneplus lacks features, its just extremely fast, the camers on oneplus 3 was decent for its time.

What do you think , samsung can fix the 9810 issue , or do we have to live with what it is ?
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
I've owned every f*king galaxies(- note series) since its birth, I can straight away say there's very little hope of getting these fixed(other than some tiny OTA improvements) as "something" they will have to save for the Note 9.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] aj7400:
They are going to use the same chip for the note 9 ,

So may be they will perfect the chip on s9plus first and sort out the issues before powering the note 9 with the same chip?

What do you think?
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
Then why would any1 buy the Note 9? If u dig past histories, Samsung hasn't been intentionally very good at fixing what's broken on the same flagship.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] aj7400:
Well thats a sad news ,

But there isnt any perfect device in the market right now.

I think the next time i am sticking with google pixels for speed camera and fluidity .

The animations are so much better on pixels
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
It's so true that there's none at this moment or in the near future, and the next pixels r several months away.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] aj7400:
Let's see what the oneplus 6 brings. Already too much hyped
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] ajai_dev:
Jio has gone crazy on my S9+ AT&T version everything works fine except if anyone calls me from a non Jio network "BSNL, Airtel, Etc" then they are told that my number is "Out of network or is switched off" but my phone is on and I can call people up just fine.

I have reset the phone and did what ever I could think off including using a different Jio sim. No matter what I try only Jio people can call me up other network people are told that my phone is "Out of network or is switched off" :(

Some one pls help
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Chirag22ster:
Hi guys. There is a new update for s9 plus. April security patch. 61.3 mb. Has anyone updated? Does it remove the black crush issue?
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
So it reaches 40, does it stay elevated or come down say ten minutes after ? if it does then all is good on your side otherwise something is up

With heavy use and i define heavy use as tap tap not letting the phone sleep much so dead in 8-10h on data. Reaching 40 is normal considering ambient temps right now.

he's not using any tweaks afaik.

these disable lists from what i've seen include a long list of packages and its up to you to test. So soon after launch i doubt there is much testing maybe after a couple more months assuming people take the effort to update with their findings. Figuring out dependencies is tricky so the way to do it is slowly, monitor, log, disable some more, repeat the cycle. Slow process if you expect to have a stable and consistent setup. Then some update shows up and potentially breaks what you did. Ideally disabling should not be necessary at all. The gains might not even be worth the effort. Only in exceptional circumstances

Give it some time, walkermon posted that after disabling android system for background tasks his sot jumped. In fact without touching any governors the boost was more significant than what anandtech posted. hah, so much for theory. He hasn't updated since so whether its been consistent or not is uncertain. That fix does not work for you. The fix wasn't even necessary with madnav. Why all this variation ?

Its down to the user then isn't it. What you have running. Some combos misbehave others do not. Different for everybody and figuring this out is down to how clued up and experienced a user is. New phone and setup. If after three months nothing changes then maybe there is a case but so soon and given this is xda where the first thing to do is blame the phone, the hardware and the company i'm not convinced.

April is way too early to be making any authoritative judgements about this phone. End of June let's see what you got :)
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
It reaches about 40 several times during the day in medium usage, comes down to normal when not in use. Counting from using the phone from a very light manner with an SOT of 2 hours to 8,9 hrs non-stop, with tweaks, without tweaks I used it so far in every possible ways. I suggest you to use the phone and have an experience so that u get an idea about what I'm talking about rather than thinking everything theoretically. I'm a techy, absolutely aware of how to tweak a phone to get the best out of it, keep testing atleast 2 flagships at a time and I tell u this - that this phone's performance-heat-battery endurance ratio isn't ideal in 2018, inconsistent and unpredictable at the same time that I haven't experienced in the recent times with other flagships. Keeping XDA aside, I'm too old in these stuff, and very well got convinced and agreed with Anandech, Strategy analytics etc. after going through their testing in-depth.

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Lot of things go behind android systems background tasks, it holds true to every other android smartphone. What walkermoon did can be done with any other phone, and that's just another "measure" or "tweak" to get better battery life. I did it with my s9+, a 5T and one Redmi 5 Pro to see differences, it indeed increased battery life of all those three, but it doesn't mean in anyways that there isn't any scheduler issue with the s9/9+ Exynos. Since s9+'s endurance is already inconsistent and heavily fluctuates, I too mentioned in my older post that it didn't eradicate the issue it's going through. Pausing or stopping of Android systems background activity has got nothing to do with anandech's lab testing and their findings either , these r two completely different aspects, and don't know how u r mixing them up. Anadtech has been a pioneer in the field of lab testings and hardly you will find any other tester who goes so deep into it to find out core results. And yeah, HE DID update a week back in his part 2, have a look if you have missed,

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12620/improving-the-exynos-9810-galaxy-s9-part-2

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It's unfortunate for consumers to wait for months after months to get a fix for such major issues, that shouldn't have happened in the first place, but even then, having been so experienced with their "practice", I can assure myself that Samsung will not fix it completely with s9/9 plus. Would love to prove myself wrong in this regard.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] aj7400:
Even for me , the temperature of phone is always near 40c , because the ambient temperature is close to 40 in my area.

But the problem is during the day time when the temperature is high and touching 40 , my s9 plus throttles alot .

The games start to lag , scrolling onto basic apps such as facebook starts to lag.

When the temperature falls , the situation is a bit better.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
Exactly, and such throttling isn't occurring with other flagships equipped with last year's top SoCs or even lower powered phones like the redmi 5 Pro. So I keep repeating, the Exynos S9 duos' "performance-heat-endurance" is no way ideal and has gone wrong.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] aj7400:
I have a oneplus 5 with me as well, and performance wise oneplus is way smoother .

Even in apps such as facebook , snapchat oneplus's sd835 is more optimized.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] billubakra:
Yes it is still there, the shopkeeper messed it up. Still haven't got the budget for the s9+ yet. As of today they are giving a cover worth Rs. 3200 free with the s9.

What exactly is the issue with the exynos 9810 variant? Sorry I couldn't understand that tech blog. My 5t is fast, very fast no doubts, but the camera(not a big issue, I don't use it anyways much), paint chipping, not letting apps like Samsung Health etc. work, copy of ****pple makes me hate it. It will be probably supported till Android P since the eol of op devices is reducing thanks to a launch in every like 6 months.

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Dual camera mod not working?

https://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s9/help/dual-camera-mode-t3762121
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] aj7400:
I think the schedular settings and cpu settings are poorly implemented. Dur to which the performance is suffering and battery drain is higher than snapdragon variant.

Also it is throttling due to rise in ambient temperatures
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] billubakra:
Any chance that it will fixed by an ota update?

Also is the dual camera feature working at one time?
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] aj7400:
So that means 9000 cash back + cover worth 3200 free?
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
Any1 knows the way to import the dual sim unlocked Snapdragon version to India from somewhere? One eBay seller was shipping, but suddenly stopped, Amazon, aliexpress were of no help.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] billubakra:
Seems so.

Can you please confirm the dual camera thing?
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] kumar abhishek:
Hey guys. Coming from the s8+ i am looking for an upgrade. Should i buy s9+? The heat issues with poor processor and pathetic battery life are keeping me away from it as i am heavy user and s8+ battery backup was average for me. P.S i initiially planned on buying Huawei p20 pro but it is ridiciously high priced in India.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
I used s8 plus Exynos, and currently using s9+ plus. Lot of people will say as per their choice. I suggest, simply do not get the S9+ Exynos. At times it sucks in the battery-performance-heat combo that wasn't that bad with the s8 plus. I'm thinking of selling mine and searching online how to import the Snapdragon variant.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] kumar abhishek:
Thanks a lot. I guess i ll just hold on for some other flagship. And about importing snapdragon unit i am not sure if jio volte will be supported.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
That jio confusion- I'm too trying to find more clarity.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Virgo_Guy:
This is from xda wallpapers. Those black broken shades on the sides!!! The black crush issue?
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] billubakra:
Negotiated a price of Rs. 62500 with a dealer on 30th in the morning. Went at around 6pm to get the phone but the bastard said that I will have to pay Rs. 2000 more as paytm charges money to transfer an amount to the bank. I said I won't pay even a single penny more but the chutiya refused, laughed and said you won't get a better deal than this. His last offer was 64200 so I came out of the store. Now the cashback offer has been terminated :(
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Chirag22ster:
Why dont u try HDFC credit card cash back.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] billubakra:
Don't have a hdfc card brother.
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] v_square:
No that's not black crush but an actual wall :D
[Samsung Galaxy S9+ Guides, News, & Discussion] billubakra:
I was planning to buy the phone from Dubai as my friend is going there but skeptical because of two reasons, 1. The price is almost the same and it is hard to find the snapdragon version there 2. I read somewhere that Samsung might not activate dual volte in the s9+ via ota. Why? For the battery?