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[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
Because it was already explained to you before. Amoled works completely different than IPS. For IPS panel, it doesnt matter which colour, same power usage because light comes from another layer that illuminates whole screen evenly. On Amoled individual pixels can act on its own, and power usage may even be different between green/blue/red colours. On Amoled black colour saves power the most, because pixels are just turned off. But dark colours also use less than bright colous

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Who said anything about brightness? No, brightness does have big impact on battery life. Colours dont.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] SunilSuni:
Now we got some valid point here.. brightness is nothing but a more light emission.

As I said before black colour wallpaper emits lesser light than the white colour wallpaper so dark theme does have effect on battery life.. i will end my argument here.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
And again, it was already explained to you. WRONG. On IPS panel, to get black colour, illumination light goes through filter to make it appear as black as possible. Backlight amount is SAME and so is power usage for both white and black colours, its just that black goes through filter making it dimmer.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] inconnu29:
You don't have to be a google engineer to test it. Black wallpaper saves the battery compared to other colors. On lcd ips.

It takes 10 minutes to see for yourself.

Test it.

Even if I activate ReadMode there is a difference on power consumption. On ReadMode current drain increases but just a little.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
Did you develop the app? Do you know how it works? Do you know and understand its source code? Because you are saying google engineers who are payed hundreds of thousands a year are wrong, you are right, and your proof is a current measurement app from play store. You dont even know/have control over whats happening in the background of your device, so scientifically, your test is far from valid.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] inconnu29:
It is not about light and brightness. I think it is about how the gpu renders colors. For black color the gpu uses less power compared to other colors.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
I cant really say for sure, as this requires more knowledge, but sounds like nonsense, because gpu is just huge calculation machine. Just ones and zeros, absolutely no difference what colour. It doesnt do anything with it, colour is just a number for gpu. It sends information to display contoller what to show.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] inconnu29:
Everything is just 1 and 0

For creating a colored pixel we need red green and blue subpixels to be activated. And for black we don't need to activate those subpixels. Maybe this can be an explanation. I don't know for sure, maybe it is the gpu... But black takes less power because i ve tested this for a few hours. And for me the conclusion is very clear. Black takes less power on ips lcd.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] XsConfused:
You have to understand how IPS displays work. For example, when brightness is set to 100% the backlight illuminates at its maximum capacity. Energy consumption is at its maximum. Now even if you change to a dark wallpaper the backlight will keep on producing 100% illumination at 100% battery consumption. You will just see "less light" since most is light is "filtered" by the black wallpaper. There is nothing about color.

For OLED there is no single backlight. Each pixel itself behaves like a backlight on OLED.

I feel for you [MENTION=7913262]Incogn[/MENTION]. People seem to argue just for the sake of arguing.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
Yes, you just explained how amoled panel works. Problem is, we have IPS panel. Which works completely different than you seem to imagine. You are free to believe whatever you want, but if you post it on forum and try to make it a fact, i dont agree. Because i already explained how IPS and Amoled panels work and how it has no effect on IPS power consumption no matter which colour. If you google it, you will find same things written as im trying to explain. Btw for IPS panel to display black colour is actually "harder" than white. Because illumination is already white, while to get black, panel has to "activate" pixel to filter light and make it appear black. So your way of thinking is wrong in general.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] inconnu29:
Since we all have access to internet, we know the difference between oled and lcd.

You don't have to bring that into discussion.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] XsConfused:
The Android Dev Summit was about OLED. That's why I have to bring it up.

And logics like this is why I have to reiterate how LCD works.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] inconnu29:
Lcd screens also have subpixels.

You can use google.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
And your next sentence? You dont have to activate those subpixels to get black? That applies to Amoled, NOT IPS. So go back to google, read about IPS power consumption with different colors, and i dont think you gonna have to comeback here and argue anymore.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] inconnu29:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvnCxpTCKM8&app=desktop

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And which subpixels you activate to obtain the black color on ips?

:)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
You close shutter on all 3 subpixels(green, blue, red) to get black on IPS. So pixel still active, still using power. On amoled pixel just stays off using no power because it has its own lighting and doesnt need to block any light to get black colour. So instead of watching random youtube video with zoomed in screen, go and actually read an article of how the technology works. Theoretically, there might be a super micro differnce of power consumption with IPS between completely white and pitch black colours, depending on how screen is built, and which is its "off" stage, either all subpixel shutters open or closed. But we are talking here about a difference of 1% at MAX.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] inconnu29:
Maybe it has something to do with the gpu or something else because on my lcd screen black saves power. 20 - 30 mah per hour.

That is all.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
I already checked and no, for gpu its zero difference what colour. You dont know that, you just blindly believe what simple app fom playstore is showing you. Its your choice, but that doesnt make it a fact.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] leoliberato94:
I get 11 hours of easy screen with MCaosp. A spectacular ROM.

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[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] drkdeath5000:
Don't know how you all manage such high SoT. I consider myself a light user and im only getting 5 - 7 screen hours. Everything is greenified with aggressive doze enabled. 2g network and wifi is always on. I've tried everything I can think of can't seem to get any better. How are you all doing it?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
Well its no rocket science. Either you use apps that consume a lot of power, or you have very bad reception and that eats away your battery. I dont use any stuff like greenify, because in my case it just causes more troubles, and i see no improvement in battery whatsoever. With miui i would easily get 12h sot on light usage. Now im on Pixel Expirience, just stock, no mods, patches, custom kernels or **** like that. Easy 10h sot in a day, or 5-6h like you, but with 48h~ standby time. Also 2 sim cards active. Apps like Facebook can easily shorten your battery like 20%, because its just so badly optimised, keeps consuming battery in background.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
Current results
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] drkdeath5000:
Thats just it though i have very little apps installed, messenger, google inbox and whatsapp are the only background apps so other than google services i cannot understand where my power is going. Accubattery shows i'm using 9% 300 mAh per hour on average screen on and thats just from light web browsing. My reception is good at 3-4 bars and i also have 2 sims active, with only one allowed to use data (2G only). I'm on RevolutionOS (MIUI) currently but i've tried various roms including PE and AOSP but the most SoT i have managed is 8 hours to date using stock MIUI. I dont use facebook or any social media apps and as far as i can tell the only apps allowed to come out of doze are WhatsApp and Messenger. My standby is actually pretty decent at 74 hours on average i just wish i could exchange that for better SoT.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
Well 74h standby with 5h sot is AWESOME. Cant ask more, and if you use 9% an hour, you will end up with 10h sot on 1 day standby, also very decent.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] leoliberato94:
It's my first ROM that I get 10h + from SoT. I use an application called drowser. My wi-fi stays on most days. I'll tell you to test MCaosp, it's a ROM Pie better.

Her Kernel is well balanced, my tests on AnTuTu gave 122k. And I've had a lot of battery life, and I have a lot of apps on my phone.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] adrian8101:
How is battery with 10.0.6? Same as 10.0.4?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] drkdeath5000:
To clarify here is my average usage on RevOS. 4 hour Screen time with 46 hour standby so just over 2 days. I have never tested but assuming if i just left the screen on i would get 10 hours +. I can only imagine that is how you are all managing such high screen time?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
Well not like that, but obviously you wont get 10h sot with 2 days standby. No one claimed they did. If i just turn on screen and l leave it, i guess i would end up with something like 15h
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] drkdeath5000:
Then again if you back a few pages in this thread some have clearly managed 10 hour sot with 2 days standby so i dont know what to think. Is it possible some of our chips are more power efficient than others or something else at play? I'm just trying to make sense of it all :confused:.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
No, everyone has same phone with same internals. Chipset dont decide how much power it uses. Kernel does. So even if there was different chipsets, they would use same power, because we use same kernel.. Well if all you do is read text like ebook, probably possible 10h sot with 2 days standby. Not on normal use thats for sure. Another example, if you use phone in short periods of time for whole day(like a normal person) youll get way worse battery life than someone who spends 5h screen on in 1 go, and then leave phone to standby. Theres just so many variables, just forget it, your battery life is normal and its better than 99% of other devices, so why bother yourself if someone can do better..
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] xell75:
That's my SOT on 10.0.6.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Cirra92:
That just depends on a lot of factors. You are probably talking about my screenshot of 2 days with 10+ hours of SOT. And yes I was able to hit those numbers consistently even with a lot of social and IM apps installed (FB, FB messenger, Instagram, Whatsapp, Viber, Telegram, 2 email accounts + there are other apps running in the background.

First off all, you need a good ROM + kernel combo, then it comes down to how much you use each of those apps and on which network (WiFi or Mobile data). Also the way you use your phone comes at play, as [MENTION=7913262]Incogn[/MENTION] said, if you go and use your phone in short "bursts" you'll have lower SOT and standby.

But the biggest effect on battery is the signal strenght (both WiFi and SIM signal). I've been on a 5 day holiday in the mountains where both WiFi and SIM signals were lower than in my city (did not check the actual numbers in Settings) and was not able to hit 10 hours of SOT no matter what I did.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] adrian8101:
I get 10 hours Sot with 2 days stand by usage, mostly in 4g all time.

One tip for you. Forget that Accu battery stupid app. I used it when I was on Sony Z2 and SOT was worse when use that app.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] SunilSuni:
Satisfied with battery life (Exactly 6months since I got this mobile)

Version : MIUI 10.0.6 Global Stable

SOT : 9hours

4G browsing with dark theme (stock black theme and kiwi browser with night mode)

Stock black theme applies to WhatsApp Messenger
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
Again, black theme has no effect..

No black theme
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] SunilSuni:
Atleast I'm seeing the difference in my usage and mine is 4G browsing as compared to yours
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
Placebo. Also mine is dual sim, and half a time on 4g also.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Cirra92:
Again with that black theme nonsense. LCD technology does not benefit from black backgrounds because the backlight is always on, end of the story.

This was my usage yesterday, granted I've spent a good amount of time chatting on Viber, but besides that I've been browsing Instagram and Facebook and using my browser a bit + a bit of Youtube videos.

Default light theme.

At the end of the day I was at 13+ hours of SOT and with 18% left. Yeah there wasn't much of a standby time, since the total count was around 20hours on single charge, but you get the point.

Oh, it was on default light theme.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
I know, right? Its like talking to a wall. I mean, you are free to believe whatever you want, but if you post it on forum, claiming black theme helps battery life, you are just basically spreading lies and desinformation for other users. And this guys logic is, white screen emits more light than black screen, thats why white uses more power. It would be funny if it wasnt sad. Jeesus, just open fricking google and use it, same thing is written and proven EVERYWHERE. Its like saying earth is flat, because it looks that way when you are travelling, just ignoring every other sane person trying to tell you that its actually oval.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] SunilSuni:
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[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Bolumstar:
Using 4G data will give you lower SOT with - 1.5 to - 3.5 hours than using WiFi data. If you get up to 8+ hours of SOT with 4G in frequent use in 24 hrs, your battery is good.

Always check the total % of hardware and software use of battery. If apps us over 50% of battery you might need to change kernel, root n use Greenify or uninstall some system apps. Also check your phone idle battery usage, location and WiFi scanning etc they all contribute to battery drain.

MCasop pie has been good for me.

Gets 10 hours SOT on 4G and 12 to 14 hours SOT on Wi-Fi
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Cirra92:
Yeah, I mean this is not a disscusion where we exchange our opinion, this is just sharing a solid fact, whether someone wants to believe it or not, the fact still doesn't change. To an extent, that claim about emitted light is true, but not for the reason he is trying to prove, it's rather because black is displayed by blocking the light (which by logic means that actually less light is coming through so he talking about placebo) and would you believe it, black color is dark by nature anyway!
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] nyasaystheneko:
Getting 11 hours screen on time over 2 days usage. Using aospextended. WiFi or data is always on.

Also battery saver is only in use below 20% :)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] pylm69:
Guys i'm looking for a new smartphone to replace my xiaomi mi5 for which I used a battery case because it was horrible (3 hours sot kinda horrible). Those results above are more then impressive but do they mantain if playing games? I'm looking mostly for epsxe, Dead Trigger and PPSSPP.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] nyasaystheneko:
You will get pretty much around 5-6 hours SOT playing heavy games. Pubg drains about 10% battery in 30 minutes.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] deathfalls:
Please help me. Is this version bad? Gives me bad battery back up and drain issue. I only have this fone for 2 days. Need your advice. :(
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
There is no build with "bad" battery or drain issues. Its the apps you use. For example i can see VPN in your status bar. It drains battery a lot.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] :
New note 5 owner ( killed my honor 9 with a cup of tea ) . so far i'm very impressed , just over 9 hours SOT with 3 hours of asphalt 8 in there too
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] dmilz:
True

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I get about 6 hrs SOT on stock miui ...bad for a 4000mah battery I should say

My Moto g5s goes about 6-7 SOT on a 3000mah battery
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] deathfalls:
So why some updates containing fixing battery issues?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
I havent seen 1 update with release notes saying: fixed battery issues. Nonsense. Of course, there can be battery improvements with software updates as in every phone, but it will be minor difference. Not for example you get 4h sot with v1, and you get 6h sot with v2. Theres no such differences. And if you think there is, then just use latest version with that logic..
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] deathfalls:
I can refer to this update
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
Well, it doesnt say fixed battery issues. It says fixed wi-fi drain, did you notice that drain? I didnt. Do you know how big of a drain it was? So it says nothing, maybe they fixed wifi drain that was causing 0.5% drain overnight, we dont know. Fact is, as i said earlier, there is no "bad" battery rom. There can be improvements with updates, but you wont magically get 50% more battery life with some magical miui version. If you believe what they say in update notes, then just use newest build? Its gonna have more "fixes" lol.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] :
I disagree .. if someone made a kernel that dropped the cores down to say 40 or 50mhz you could last a week or so , then again it would take a week for it to do anything lol :laugh::silly:
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
Not sure what your post has to do with my post.. i never talked about kernel or cpu speed. Anyways, cpu clock doesnt work that way..There is a voltage table defined by qualcomm, and for example 600mhz clock uses the lowest possible voltage this chip supports. So even if you managed to underclock to 300mhz, or even 100mhz, you will only use more battery, because its gonna use same voltage=same power usage, but it will take cpu more time to complete the task, so in the end, no battery saving, actually even more battery used..
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] :
well i see my attempt at humour failed miserably :silly:
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Kiesport:
Is 10.0.6.0 bettter at sot then 10.0.4.0?

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Hello bro which version of firmware were you using on this screenshots?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Abhigandhi02:
I am getting 4.5 Hours Of SOT:crying:
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] MikiGry:
LOS 15.1 by sgspluss but WI-FI only
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] adrian8101:
I got 11 hours WiFi+4G. Stock romView attachment 4677380View attachment 4677381
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] kos25k:
hello.my battery under 36% discharges more quickly.why this happens?

Στάλθηκε από το Redmi Note 5 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Patxperia:
I am very happy with the stock ROM 10.2.1 with 15 hrs SOT over 1 day. WiFi and 4g on, reading, texts YouTube and phone calls, no gaming.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] RupeshRN:
You do any special Settings in your phone because really great Screen on time.

I am on Miui 10.2.1

:)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Patxperia:
Just turned off 4g data, (but data is on to assist WiFi) nothing else.

Background for apps is on and everything is very quick.

I like miui now that I have the Poco launcher.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] adrian8101:
And it's look like you use battery saver...that's why green color on battery.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Patxperia:
The green colour of the battery shows it is being charged.

Battery saver is on by default, all apps are optimised.

Let the miui system operate in default setting, and see how efficient it is..

P.S. Mine is the RN5 global 3gb ram, 32gb storage; it may be more efficient than the 4gb version.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] adrian8101:
I didn't noticed it was the charging. Great battery then. I usuallyget 10-11 sot
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] RupeshRN:
Thanks for Reply

Single Sim ?

4G Data Off (Data on WiFi)?

Battery Saver on?

Data / Wifi Off when not use?

Which App On Autostart?

:)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Patxperia:
[MENTION=8201378]RupeshRN[/MENTION] Single Sim ? Yes, plus sdcard

4G Data Off (Data on WiFi)? Yes

Battery Saver on? Yes, but it's on ask only at 20%

Data / Wifi Off when not use? No

Which App On Autostart? Calendar, camera, messenger, messages, WhatsApp, telegram
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] RupeshRN:
Battery 94 to 39

I Think It's Not Good Screen On Time

What Reason of Less Screen On Time

Autostart only Instagram

Facebook, WhatsApp and Messenger (Automatically Turn on without permission)

:)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
What are you talking about.. Over 5h sot and 18h standby with 50% used, on mobile network, AND facebook, instagram and whatsup eats lot of battery. Basically 10h sot over day and a half.Thats a very good battery life, stop looking for problems where there isnt any :P
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] RupeshRN:
I Compare With 15 Hour Sot with Same Use

Same Version Get 15 Hour Sot

:)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] 4bdu1:
This is a recent screenshot I got from light usage.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
No, you compare nonsense. Because he was on Wi-fi, with less standby, and not using apps like facebook. Im telling you, your sot is fine. But sure, worry about nothing if you like that.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] RupeshRN:
Thanks Brother for Reply

Ok Understand That SOT Depend On App Which You Install

:)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] MikiGry:
Syberia official + basic kernel (first charge)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] taher1819:
Every new update is making battery drain faster. I'm on MIUI 10.2.1 and i get around 4.5 sot only and that too from 100% - 5%. I bought this phone to get good battery life but now it just makes me wonder that why i bought this phone . I'm fed up with the battery drain issue?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] nakulp:
Install Accubattery or BetterBatteryStats and check for the offending apps with any excess battery usage.

I'm also on the same miui version but get SOT 8-9hours easily :cowboy:
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] Incogn:
Well is it phones fault that you dont know how to use it? This device is capable of 10h sot easily, its your setup/apps thats ruining battery.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] xell75:
I don't get your problem mate. It must be your apps.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Real Life Review] :
I have to agree , 4.5 hours looks like something is eating up the battery . I'm on the same Rom and getting just over 7 hours playing asphalt 9