yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] MikeChannon:
I'm afraid it is quite common for things developed here and available for free to be put up on ebay for sale. Sometimes the likes of ebay will take down such things if you (or a group of people) make a complaint stating that the seller does not have the right to sell the software or software/hardware combination. It is often difficult for us to make a case that a member here owns the software though for fairly obvious reasons (ie the source of the original unamended software), unless it is a truly original piece of work.

Mike
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jgottlieb:
I had read on a board that someone's phone came with SPB Mobile Shell 2.0.... but it turned out to be a leaked beta, not the GA version.

I bet that's how it happened....
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] egzthunder1:
You are missing a few :D

Just kidding, but good job ! (but seriously there were about 36 items that I reported)

@Slither

Good to see you got involved as well, buddy! I figured it would piss off enough people to set off a few sparks against a jerkwad like him.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mrg2003:
get over it

There are good people, bad people and stupid people.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] met3ora:
This is what the community is about. We see an injustice performed against some of our users, and the entire community jumps into action to help.

Gotta love this place.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jadephyre:
where would we Modding Junkies be if not for the Guys who keep cooking new ROMs and developing new Software for us to feast on ? Right, nowhere near where we are right now.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tyeo098:
There are stupid people out there who will pay for it.

We should sell it, raise money for drivers!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] GSLEON3:
I have seen & reported to a few of our esteemed developers here.

On guy was selling Kona's cube with FTouchFlo, He responded by changing the Ebay listing to say "Hey, I'm not selling the software, I'm selling my services of setting it up & remote support on how to do it & while I do provide them with the cab files, my charge is solely for the service & tech. support"

What a load of crap. This jackass didn't even at least give credit to the creators.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] myteematt:
Not Cool

That loser still has auctions on Ebay with other peoples software. Anyone with Ebay membership should report all his items repeatedly.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ronfin44:
If someone wants to buy a Kasier/Tilt, take the time to flash it with a ROM and unlock it, then sell it on eBay, where's the problem? They're not selling the ROM, or the unlocking software. They're selling THEIR TIME that they spent doing it for someone. It's like painting your house. You have the paint, but you're either too lazy or don't know how, so you pay for someone else to do it for you. *sigh*

You people ***** about the TIME it took for someone to put together a ROM image based on FREE stuff available and turn around and sell the TIME it takes to do so? Wow. Wake up. The illegal Tom Tom is the problem. Not the time to do what some can't do on their own or just don't wanna do. :rolleyes:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] canadiankorean:
Or is it possible to create fake accounts on ebay and pretend to buy these..

then don't pay..

he'll get dinged for the fees.

then he'll report us and ebay will contact us.

then we explain what he is doing is illegal.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] met3ora:
That won't work. You're obligated to pay.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ~~Tito~~:
Sometimes they say, its their software and they are the only ones who made it. *Cough* Craigslist. . . .
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] funy:
sounds like a good idea but they could probably kill that off with a hex editor in 5 mins :(

this guy sucks
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ronfin44:
I know. It's amazing. Hmm, I cooked this ROM with apps and software that I DIDN'T CREATE, but its mine cause I cooked it. :confused::rolleyes: Whatever. If you use something that's FREE, don't ***** if someone else uses it also, and especially when all they're doing is selling the SERVICE of installing everything on the device and adding the extra cost for the TIME spent! Excluding warez of course. The Tom Tom pre-loaded is total horse crap. The ROM, whether dutty cooked it or at&t is a NON-ISSUE. They're not selling the ROM people. Man, pay attention. Person A takes free stuff available and cooks a ROM. Person B takes that already cooked FREE ROM and loads it onto a device. Charging for the time and effort to do all of that is perfectly legit. You deal with these types of services every day people. How come when you leave the REAL WORLD and hop on into CYBER SPACE you forget that? :cool:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dgold21:
Wow, this is pretty appalling...dude is ballsy. On one of the screenshots of "his" items that shows the S2U2 screen, you can see "A_C" in the upper left next to the signal strength - he even swiped the friggin screenshot from the developer with his name right in the picture!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] geodim:
Wow this is bad. He has tons of people actually paying for this stuff! I'm going to call eBay tomorrow morning and report him.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] _Alex_:
Based upon what you're saying, you're suggesting we should no longer give things out for free and charge for XDA-developer services.

If that's the case,no more HardSPL / JumpSPL / SIM Unlockers from the likes of CMonex, OliPro, Pof, Jockyw and others. No more ROM tools from DarkSimpson, Itsme or Bepe & others. No more ROM Kitchens from Anchillus, Bepe, JugglerJKR, Jcepsi2005, myself or others. No more ROMs from Dutty, Schaps, myself or anyone else. No more tutorials from me, or wiki pages from Jarek91 or DaveShaw. No more free newbie guides or video tutorials. XDA-developers now charges for everything.

Buy the phone from us for $950, unlocked with the ROM of your choice. Already have a phone? Send it to us, with $300 and we'll unlock it and update it to the ROM of your choice. Repeat flashers have reduced rates of $100 per flash. Want to do it yourself and access to this forum? Fork up $50/mo for the privilege of reading the material. Each download will cost you an additional $20.

Ready to pay Ronfin44? Put up or shut up.

See how easy it was to change 'free' to 'paid services'? I hope I've made my point.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mav42:
you left out one.......and ex wives :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meeek:
Couldn't have said it better myself! *claps*

..hopefully it doesn't go that way though :P
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] xplode:
Currently active items in ebay

120227575828, 120228986272, 120229710317, 120229717442, 120229720361, 120229734361, 120228091934, 120228094634, 120228096013, 120228101681, 120229370872, 120229376087, 120230378585, 120229702524, 120229706198, 120229710653, 120229711214, 120230384434, 120230387514, 120229709180
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ~~Tito~~:
Me too!

OT: Ok, there are some people who claim it as their own, not that they just provide a service to put on, that is completely resonable for people who dont have the reasources(or literacy) to put it on, but claiming it as your own then charging like 50 bucks for a flash is over board.

These would be my rates:

ROM Flash of your choice: 5$

Software, addons and fixes: 2$

I am modest :p, but that should be the ideal charging price, not 50 - 100 bucks.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bonnyvun:
APPALING

Not sure whether calling ebay will stop the guy... But it definitely put a dent in his 'happiness' of getting paid for doing nothing except ripping peopleoff. But if original cooks complain in ebay, that will defitenly put him out of business.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bonnyvun:
Just to add a little more.

Oh.I think if people visit the items he is 'selling' on ebay, a request can be submitted to remove the listing. Really feel like kicking this fella.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] sndance:
Why not buy this product, try to reclaim your money, and post whatever he's selling on xda?

;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bonnyvun:
Buy from the guy? Then make claim from paypal n leave him negative feedback.

Maybe 1 way of causing him some pain is to give him some money? Buy what he is selling. Then raise dispute in paypal n ebay about your unhappiness with your purchase. With a few of that in his ratings or enough complaints raise in paypal, that will screw up his account... Apart from that, I dont know who actually wants to go through all the legality etc... But that is one way of stopping him from doing too much business... if enough complaints or disputes are raised in his account.... paypal may decide to freeze his account and all funds inside... so I guess... 50bucks or ten volunteers who r willing to 'buy' from him can cause some pain.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] geodim:
Maybe we could post listings on eBay, with the same search criteria, with the titles stating not to purchase anything from that user. There could be an explanation and link to xda developers in the body of the listing.

How much does it cost to create a listing?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] _Alex_:
I just realized that this is a redundant thread that needs to be merged into a larger and more relevant thread, found here.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] MikeChannon:
Per _Alex_'s observation above, the threads have been merged.

Mike
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Slither2006:
Absolute ****head for illegally selling SCLPC++ 0-051

Hey Guys,

Edgelib got back to me and they can't do much to help :( It really comes down to, like others have mentioned, someone that will go into the legiality of it all to get 4GoodDeal a bad one and close the ****ers account. Sorry to swear but I'm EXTREMELY pissed off at ebay and him. Question : if the money was retrieved who would get it or how would it be divided? A pretty ****ed situation as he certainly doesn't deserve a cent. Sometimes I really hate Intellectual Property.

I'm seriously considering patenting, copyrighting and registering a trademark then selling my software so I have a leg to stand on when shid like this happens. Sure it's one person ****in it up for everyone else but what more can be done?

In the end I'm sure whether or not my software was sold and had a locking mechanism there will always be someone giving it away for free on piratebay or mininova...etc. and I'm happy to accept that fact...but I can't let some **** from ebay profit off my hard work. If anyone should profit it should be the author of the software.

I really hope ebay catch's on to this guys illegal dealing and gets him for the clothes on his back. Simply since I haven't charged a cent for this software I don't have any funds to defend it. There's nothing really I can do to help in this situation any further except relay the outcome of the NOIC from ebay when I receive it.

There really isn't a suitable place for this thread as the people being ****ed over come from different topics as well as devices. I for one only check the Developer & Hacking topic and found it odd that the thread was moved to Kaiser. It appears developers are the ones getting majorly screwed here not Kaiser users? Don't mean to start any arguement but this thread is going to determine what developers here at XDA will do next.

Who has been in a situation like this before and won without spending a cent?

I'm sorry to do this but :

SCLPC++ 3D 0-052 - SUSPENDED UNTIL EBAY ISSUE RESOLVED

A possible way may to be to propose a strike on xda redirecting all traffic to a a single thread with instructions on bringing back xda i.e. complain to ebay about 4GoodDeal....maybe I'm going overboard but after nearly 6 months work on making two cube clone programs I think I'm entitled to be.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mackaby007:
And quite right you are! I'd do the same in your position mate, but let me thank you again on behalf of all xda dev members for your huge contribution and great freeware developments until the likes of this airhead came along and sought to make money of your sweat and labor.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] DvTonder:
Slither,

I fully agree with you. We cannot stand still and let this guy profit from our work. I will go an a sympathy strike.

I will no longer release new PocketCM themes (including the pending PoorlyDuck Vista matching theme) until this guy is put out of business.

Moderators: Please move this thread back to 'Development and Hacking', it really belongs there.

DvTonder
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Musicman247:
So now we suffer for the actions of this tard?

I'm not sure what you guys stopping work on these things will do to stop what he is doing in the present. It seems that he already has a set CD of Apps (including Google Maps...anybody contact them yet?), so shutting down future projects will do nothing to remedy the situation on Ebay.

Personally I think everyone reporting this guy and contacting the people who have purchased from him are the best and only thing we can do right now.

Don't let this guy "win".

And yes, this should be in the Hacker/Developer Forum. It got a lot more attention when it was in there.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] DvTonder:
I think we have the answer.

Looking at the following listings (120229724026, 120229706198, 120230384434, 120229376087, 120229720361, 120228399546) they include not only beta software from developers here but also Windows Mobile 6.1 - clearly a copyright violation!!

It may be worth pointing Microsoft at this guy - I am sure they have the funds to get him! I sent an email to piracy@microsoft.com and will call the piracy hotline (1 800 RU-LEGIT)once they open at 7:30 PT

DvTonder
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tiger.woods:
Just get him de-listed from EBAY for copyright infringement...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Musicman247:
we're trying! Things don't happen as fast as we'd like sometimes.

Just sent an email to security@google.com

I then included all of my personal information including address and phone number so they know it is a real person. I hope this gets settled soon.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Foxhunter123:
Hmm maybe I read what he sells incorrectly but isn't he only selling a cd with a guide how to install ex Iphone theme and functions with step by step pictures?

So he is just telling poeple where to go on the Internet (xda-developers.com) what to look after and what to download if they want an Iphone-theme and then how to install it - all written with a step by step guide. :)

Ups - what lies in the words: "all tools to install are included" you are probably right... sorry
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] egzthunder1:
@Foxhunter123,

Even if he is in fact only selling the instructions, guess who came up with the instructions on installing the software? The Developers!! So (and this is for all of you who still think that what this asshole is doing is ok) the installation instructions are an essential part of the software (and the development) as well. Besides, even if it took Slither or tene 5 minutes to put the instructions on how to install/use the programs together, it was still their time and effort in doing so. All in all, he is profiting from their work regardless of how you look at it.

@DvTonder,

Contacting M$ might be a double edged sword. You have to be careful with that. Keep in mind that even if they go after the guy and do shut him down, M$ might try to locate the source of where his cooked OS came from... and guess where that happened? We have already had a "visit" from M$, which resulted in the rom ftp site being shut down with all the roms taken down with it (not that it stopped us ;) )

@Slither2006,

Well buddy, I can't really say that I am happy with your decision, but I completely agree with it (and I would have done the same provided I knew how to program :D ). I have been patiently waiting for 0.052 to come out, but I guess I will follow your lead on this one and keep on waiting... "sights"

@mods,

As per my original post (and as per requests from several members), would you please put this back in the "Dev and Hacking" section? While I believe that it could have been placed in a more visible place, I do not believe that the Kaiser forums are too visible to people other than the ones who own Kaisers. I, for one have a BA (3 years and counting :D )

So, if you would please put this up back where it was? Thank you in advanced.

@all,

I greatly appreciate the help this community gives to all of its users. Whether it is with new apps, support, or any other issue really, this is what an internet community should truly behave. They mess with one, they mess with all. Please keep the complaints to ebay rolling. Enough complaints about a user should bring things to visible levels even for a company like eBay.

I said it once and I will say it again

Long Live XDA-Devs!!!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] cruton:
Just an idea for all of you guys that actually came up with this software, create your own auction on Ebay for it. Use a very similar listing with the same keywords. This guys selling it for $15 so list it as $5. It will definitely get the attention of anyone looking at his items. In the listing you explain that he's stealing and that this stuff is available free elseware. And if people actually buy it then hey you've at least made some money and cut into his severely.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] newbie1221:
ha, my mind just hatched the same idea. You should also add in the listing that all funds collected from the sale will be donated toward developers and xda! now that would be great.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] etnies:
aHH this crap again?

i remember when people were selling the mpx200 firmware update on ebay...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] docnas:
I have to agree with everyone here ,no one should profit of all the hard work the developers of this site ( unless it is the developer himself). I have gone on ebay and used the Report feature to report on him . I hope as many people as possible also do this and get that bastard banned from ebay.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Musicman247:
Just FYI, the link on the first post doesn't work any more. The auction was removed. At first I thought we had won, but I think it's just Ebay cleaning old auctions out. Here is a direct link to all of 4goodeal's auctions.

http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/Sa...fault&afcj=&afmp=&fsop=1&fsoo=1&fcl=3&frpp=50
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] egzthunder1:
I checked the link this morning and it said that the auction had finished but it did not say anything about it being removed. I believe eBay may be starting to take action since they normally keep the ended auctions up for a while before removing them.

If you guys have not done so yet, please try to reach the buyers by sending them messages via ebay telling them to complain to eBay and paypal. Also, report as many of his items as you can. Remember that the more complaints he has against him, the bigger chance there is to bring him down.

I saw his feedback and 3 more people fell for it... I guess it cannot be helped considering the iPhone "hype" and the fact that the devices sporting Touch interface do not come cheap. I am telling you, this nimrod is making a pretty penny out of this whole situation.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] GSLEON3:
I sincerely hope you don't cut out your supporters & donators because of this idiot. I donated, but I don't use the cube any longer, so it's really no big deal to me, & I also Emailed you Slither, if you remember correctly about a simillar issue I found a few months ago that turned out to be Kona's cube & FTouchFLO. I'd hate to see you slow down & your supporters suffer b'cause of one idiots actions.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that's ever reported this kinda stuff to you, as well as others, so you know that you do have true supporters that have your back.

BTW!!!

I've bee buying a few things like this on ebay. Then I don't pay & I contact eBay & tell them that the developer contacted me & told me I'm attempting to buy stolen intellectual property. So far three times I've won the item & been told by ebay not to pay, hehe Of course I don't suggest others trying this. If you do it's at your own risk!

I also suggest you include a little text file stating something like:

SCLPC++ by Slither2006 (xda-developers.com)

Version 1.52 - 01/31/08

Compatible with the following resolutions: 240x320
Rerquirements: WM Device with xxx available memory & CE X.X or greater

For questions email me at whoever(at)wherever.com

VERSION HISTORY:

1.00 - 01/31/08 - First release
1.51 - 02/31/08 - 2nd release

Change Log:

License:

This is FREEWARE, however you are NOT allowed to distribute, modify,
sell, make profit from this. No exceptions to this agreement are allowed
unless set forth by written agreement by the creator of this software.
However you may point someone to http://www.wherever.net or any
other otherized distribution site. Any unauthorized distribution is
prohibited. All authorized distribution & otherwise MUST include this
licensing aggreement. By downloading & installing this software you are
agreeing to all terms & conditions set forth withinin this document.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Jay2TheRescue:
His latest auctions say "This auction is for a CD with step by step instructions (with pictures) and information of where to get free tools..."

So it appears that you are paying $15 for a CD with instructions and download links.

Yes, its sly and somewhat underhanded, but I see it as no different than the people "Selling" information on government auctions. Anyone can go to www.gsaauctions.gov and find out where there are local gov't auctions, but some people are still too stupid to look the information up themselves, so they pay for it.

-Jay
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] _Alex_:
Sorry folks, I intended the smaller Kaiser thread to be merged into the larger parent and left in the development and hacking forum, especially since this thread is much more relevant there and we were just attracting flamebait in the Kaiser forums.

Mike, et al? Thanks for understanding...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] egzthunder1:
That's ok mike. it happens to the best of us :)

@Jay2TheRescue

Like I said in an earlier post, these huys have also writen the instructions, so technically speaking it is their work as well, and this guy is selling their work. But like you said, some people just can't seem to have the ability to do a search for information...

... ahh "sights"... Google can be such a mystery sometimes :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] moritz.narnhammer:
...After installation of the software, please email me your device ID and I'll send you the activation code. Please bid accordingly...

Certified TomTom Reseller or just an asshole with a KeyGen or TomTom registration Hack?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Jay2TheRescue:
I kind of see it as paying the "stupid tax" as I call it... You know, pay for what you can get easily for free if you half-heartedly looked. Although I feel the developers should get something, but it is up to each individual developer to decide if he wants to sell his work on Ebay.

-Jay