yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] säbelzahntiger:
Great man! Thanks for your reply. Will give it a try. Regarding Poweramp: Yes, I found that out a few minutes ago...

But finally I can use my zenfone properly. it has been basically lying arround for a year because there were no good roms for it, regardless the chipset is open for custom roms...

So big ups to you!

I am migrating now from my work phone to Zenfone, that means including all my needed Apps and so on. So we will see if I can find more to improve :good::laugh:
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] inashell:
I wonder why don't devs make it Official release by fixing a few bugs and rest stuff.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Avinash007:
I had one doubt, when we use the stock camera(LineageOS Camera app) of this ROM(or any ROM at that) will it also use all the hardware like laser auto focus, RGB sensor, etc? In short will the stock camera utilise all those features that ASUS claimed for the phone, Tritech autofocus to name some? And also even on the stock ROM I used many third party camera apps and photos clicked with had a lot of noise as compared to the ones clicked with the PixelMaster(the stock camera app of the stock ROM).

I'm really excited for this ROM, I've no reason other than the PixelMaster to stay on stock ROM.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Saktis_STi:
That's why [MENTION=8232311]planet9[/MENTION] provided us PixelMaster flashable zip file.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Avinash007:
Can anyone provide me a working guide to unlock my bootloader and install twrp. I am on stock Oreo ZE552KL
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] CygnusBlack:
https://xdaforums.com/zenfone-3/development/updated-unlock-relock-bootloader-t3749456

Download TWRP from https://xdaforums.com/zenfone-3/development/recovery-twrp-3-2-1-ze520kl-ze552kl-t3742765

Then follow this guide https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-install-twrp/

As an example, the guide uses a different version on TWRP, so when you flash it, use the name of the file from the thread I've linked.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] misterz100:
Trying to get this working on a Z012DA (Canadian ze552kl) and after flashing LOS it always goes back to recovery. I have tried to flash the RAW and it works, it boots into stock, I tried both letting it setup and not letting it with the same results, it always goes back to TWRP. The phone was on the latest update and I unlocked it using the ASUS unlock form the ASUS site.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] inashell:
You shouldn't have Unlocked using the official tool cuz as of now Official tool doesn't support relocking. So basically u can't relock by any means.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Dalendra7:
Is anyone having a problem when using earphone? there is a noisy sound when i'm playing video/music using an earphone
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] atakan9898:
This rom's sound quality is really good.I am using prismbare bone rom now and it's sound quality is not as good as this rom.Is is possible to flash something to get this sound quality on prismbare bone rom ?
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] misterz100:
[MENTION=8862064]ra_si[/MENTION] Its out of warranty anyway, but dose that have to do with why I cannot boot into LOS?
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Saktis_STi:
Bootloader can be relocked :)

https://xdaforums.com/zenfone-3/development/updated-unlock-relock-bootloader-t3749456

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Nope.

Try this method:

1) Flash Oreo RAW using ASUS Flash Tool

2) Flash TWRP

3) Wipe Internal Data, Cache... except SD card & OTG

4) Flash LOS (Download and keep it in your SD Card)

5) Reboot
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] misterz100:
I have tried this, twice, to no avail, on boot it says DM verity EIO this have anything to do with it? This is so strange Ive installed LOS on many phones but this one seems the hardest.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Saktis_STi:
DM Verity EIO shows that your phone is unlocked.

Why don't you try it again. One last time :)
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] ShadowBlade_20:
How is the battery life with this one?
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Saktis_STi:
Similar to stock.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] ShadowBlade_20:
Can you share battery usage with this rom? SoT?
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] misterz100:
Installing TWRP corrupted it and now it wont boot to stock lol I am so confused what am I doing wrong, I was able to flash back the raw in time for the phone's owner to go to work but now I am not sure if I should just give up. I used TWRP by planet9 should I try a different version? It booted to TWRP, I swiped to allow modification should I not be doing that?
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Saktis_STi:
1) Install TWRP (dont boot into OS)

2) Wipe Internal ..bla bla bla except (SDcard and OTG)

3) Flash LOS

This should work
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] misterz100:
Yeah this time I wiped all internal, then factory reset, rebooted to recovery then pasted the files into storage then installed LOS and it worked, thank you so much.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Saktis_STi:
Don't mention it :)
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Iam_A_Bug:
Bugs.!!

Thank you very much for bringing lineage OS to zenfone 3. overall, it runs very stable, but it has a few bugs. I only have a read only access to sd card and am not able to grant permissions to apps to write to it. kindly, please look into it.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] CygnusBlack:
Have you formatted the SD Card?

Can you store...say... pictures from the camera when you take them?
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] vaidhy2007:
Data gets switched ON automatically on screen ON. Is this bug or is there some setting for this?

How to customize the tile behavior? for example enabling data by a single click on tile instead of another popup like the RR customization... is this possible ?
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Saktis_STi:
What app are you using?
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Iam_A_Bug:
Just every app !! For example, Google photos can view the pictures in SD card. But can't delete them. My file manager can't delete them. Every app asks permission for SD card. But I can't grant the as the settings app keeps crashing. I even tried formatting it from the phone. But when I tap on settings-> storage-> SD card, it crashes. :(
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] iceboy91:
Installing at the moment, gonna report if any bugs or problems.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] planet9:
Maybe the filesystem of your sdcard got corrupted: A filesystem in an unsafe state will always be kept read-only to prevent further data corruption. This could also explain the crashes.

First you should backup all data on the card, then try scanning it for errors on a pc. Reformatting it (via pc) should also help, assuming the card isn't dead altogether.

SDcard implementation of Lineage has been tested thoroughly with many filesystems so it really shouldn't be a problem with the rom...
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Iam_A_Bug:
Yes. I did it via TWRP. Lineage os detected it as a new SD card. But still could not write to it.

No, I cannot store pictures or give permissions to write to it. Photos complains "Access denied" and settings app always crashes when I go to settings-> storage->SD Card.

I think I have a hint, but I don't know what it meant. While creating a directory in the card, it asks for permission. When I press "grant", it says, "ERROR: path: /storage/8FED-7656 not found"
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] inashell:
That was just so you know.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] toto.1337:
Hello,

I flashed last week the version 20180306 on my ze520kl, on which i had previously LOS 14.1 rooted.

So far everything is all right except for one point:

I don't have any audio (in or out) when making or receiving calls.

I tried all the fixed I know, from editing the build.prop to flashing again, changing the phone app, making google's one the default app

So far, nothing worked.

Do you guys have an idea on how to fix that?

That would be much appreciated.

This morning i flashed again with the same version, will try with the latest later today.

Flashed with TWRP, then Magisk, then the stock open Gapps (then iYTBP but thats not the point here, don't think that would cause anything to misfire).

Oh and the stock camera app works great!
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] vaibhavnarain11@gmail.com:
do a clean flash. wipe data+internal storage too.

if that doesnt work flash raw oreo > boot once> enable data roming> clean flash los back
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] toto.1337:
I did several clean wipes so that won't do. (I always do clean flashes when updating from an OS to a newer version, or when seeing troubles.)

I'll look for the stock oreo rom and try your second idea.

Thanks, I'll keep you updated on the results :)

EDIT :

Tried to clean flash stock rom, I got in a bootloop but never mind: It worked! Thanks a lot!
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] CygnusBlack:
Retarded idea but could you try with a different SD Card?

Also, could you format the SD inside LOS?
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Iam_A_Bug:
Thanks for your interest. It has been solved. I actually removed the default file browser in the LOS using root. This started all the problems. :) . I reflashed the ROM and let the default browser be. It's not a fault with the ROM.

Thanks for the suggestion though..
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] gamehelp16:
Thank you so so much for the rom [MENTION=8232311]planet9[/MENTION]! It has been stable for me so far. One question though, how can I remove the text "ring, media, alarm, notification" from the volume slider? Thanks.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Avinash007:
Thank you very much [MENTION=8232311]planet9[/MENTION] . The ROM has been stable so far, no random reboots, no lags, no stopped working errors. PixelMaster is working great except that I can't change it's save location to sdcard. Still not a big issue, but hope for a fix soon. The clock in the status bar no longer shows AM/ PM, found no toggle to switch it on in the settings, can it be fixed? Also substratum isn't working for me. I compile and apply a theme, the systemUI reboots but no change. Overall the ROM is great, finally I'm satisfied with my Zenfone 3
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] gamehelp16:
After compiling a theme you need to reboot first, after reboot you can activate / deactivate the customization via the "manage" (if I remember the name correctly) tab. Themes on that tab can be activated / deactivated without reboot, but when you want to add new customization to the list you need to reboot.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] planet9:
Glad you like the rom!

As far as I know there currently is no setting to hide this text :(

Thanks for your feedback!

At least currently LineageOS 15 doesn't have an option to natively show the AM/PM indicator. It's still relatively new so this option may come in the future.

Substratum support got a little broken with the march security patch however it should still be possible to apply themes. For more information you can check this thread: https://xdaforums.com/pixel-xl/help/march-update-breaks-substratum-t3759984
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Covig:
Just to clarify, what exactly did you do? Step by step please. I've had the same issue this weekend and ended up going back to stock (flashed the .zip from the Asus site via latest twrp for now) Did I (you? We?) miss a step somewhere before?
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] toto.1337:
I got LOS 14.1 before, did a clean flash (full wipe with TWRP: data, system, cache, dalvik, ... then flash the ROM) with the ROM here, everything worked nicely except for the calls.

I then tried to flash it again (clean and dirty) still got the issues.

I tried a clean flash with this ROM but got caught in a boot loop.

Again, I did a clean flash with LOS ROM and it simply worked out.

Didn't even need to edit the build.prop file like in LOS14 / 14.1. (still got some tweaks there, though)

Last thing, probably a dumb question: did you think about modifying the updater scripts in the flahsing zip files so it works properly? (removing the version date test and modifying the assert at the beginning)

I can't say if either of us missed a step somewhere but that's how I got around my issue.

Hope you'll get there too.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Covig:
That was the first thing I tried, honestly.

The rest of your steps are similar to what I did, except I was able to get back to stock without issue. I guess I'll try again this weekend. Thanks for taking time to reply!
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] tony8077616:
Hello sir

the name is [MENTION=1813976]shakalaca[/MENTION]

not shakalca
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] lanserffnt:
support system use f2fs?
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Heron102:
Hello, I wonder if you can already use as main ROM on mobile.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] chris509:
Hi everyone. Zenfone 3 and this custom rom has somehow to activate camera2 api level 3? I install LOS15.1 and magisk 16, but none of the available modules to activate level 3 works. I've tried to write in build.prop about "hal3" line, but didn't work too. There's a solution? Thanks fo any answer.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] lanserffnt:
i try data use f2fs not boot
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] CygnusBlack:
Yes. It's stable for everyday use.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] stark_br:
In LoS 14 I used to have audio crippling when network changes (4g to 3g and so on).

Did you noticed something like it?

Tks
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] CygnusBlack:
I'll try to pay attention.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] saravanan_mathi:
Advanced kernel

I should install advanced kernel in order to use los 15.1:confused::confused:
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] gamehelp16:
No, the advanced kernel is optional.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] saravanan_mathi:
Boot loop to twrp

After installing twrp I have flashed los 15.1 first time i booted the system los 15.1 works fine but VOLTE is not working so restarted system it goes to twrp so many times rebooted the system sadly it goes to twrp so again flashed the los 15.1 rom but it doesn't work bootloop to twrp....:(:(...,thank u
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Syahid M.:
i need to ask something, wich partition to wipe? and do i need to go to advanced wipe or just do a factory reset? (twrp,stock oreo)

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i managed to fix this issue by flashing the stock raw firmware through asus flash tool. any one have any solution?
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] saravanan_mathi:
yeah...i too fixed this but i want use los 15.1.......for that i need solution....:rolleyes::rolleyes:
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Syahid M.:
1. flash stock raw oreo rom trough asus flash tool(install latest stock firmware from official site(using adb side load)(boot up first) then reboot to fastboot

2. flash twrp(reboot recovery)

3. factory reset through twrp

4. install los 15.1

5. install opengapps 8.1 arm64 (i used aroma so i could choose what to install)

6. install magisk 16.0

7. reboot

(ask if confused(privately))

(step 4 to 6 install through twrp)

i am running los 15.1 now and still no issues like recovery bootloop

(Private chat me if you want any help)
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] stark_br:
Does anyone have the flashlight starting by itself sometimes? [emoji23]
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Syahid M.:
not yet(i hope i dont get one:))
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] iamROOTX:
That happen to me like once orntwice a week
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] grean:
hi,

have try to flash but with gaaps arm64 8.1 get all time crash app. Solution?
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] tkhquang:
Did you flash Gapps right after installing the ROM? I mean you flash it before booting the phone for the first time? If not, you should try to do it
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] saravanan_mathi:
Volte working.....??

VOLTE is working properly........
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] gamehelp16:
Maybe you enabled the screen gesture for flashlight and the gesture is always triggered accidentally :laugh:
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] dekson9:
Yes me.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] planet9:
Try disabling the touch gesture for the flashlight. Damn easy to trigger... Without it I never encountered this issue.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] vaidhy2007:
My data keeps switching ON automatically on screen ON.. Any solutions ??
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] planet9:
I've never had that problem :confused:
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] vaidhy2007:
Can you help me out?
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] EggyFrima:
did you try disable mobile always active on developer option ?
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] vaidhy2007:
already disabled .
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] EggyFrima:
thats strange, i never faced such problem
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] stark_br:
I'm having this issue, anyone else?
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] a68693146:
I'm using the newest version, sometimes when I using app it will automatically jump into lock screen, it looks something crash,

this ROM can support LDAC, I'm very appreciate, hope can fix this the crash problem soon, thank you!!
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] stark_br:
Used to have it, just disable "live display" and I'll be fine.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] a68693146:
Wow Thank you, after doing it, it fixed!!

But I love Live Display hope the developer can fix it soon!!

Thank you so much!
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] stark_br:
A little tip for you all, give the advanced kernel by [MENTION=8232311]planet9[/MENTION] a try.

Its awesome.

Regards.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] vaidhy2007:
Hows the battery drain on this kernel? I tried with the balanced and battery profiles in spectrum and facing battery drain on the ROM.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] iamROOTX:
Happens to me always.just use the default file browser

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Idle was perfect for me and screen on time is a lil less compared to stock.i flashed the kernel and didn't edit anything.since the last update was adjusted already
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] stark_br:
Idle is great and for now, I have 92% and 1h sot.

I think is pretty good, but I downclocked i to 1.4ghz, governor to Ondemand and set I/O to bfq.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] kiq1702:
The problem you had was to move or copy files to the memory card? because direct I have this problem too.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] stark_br:
I think you are talking to me.

The issue is present in both situations (copy and move), but I was able to do it using the provided file manager.
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] stark_br:
its happening again, I have no idea why......

I have disabled nova launcher "lock method" to see if it stops
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] CygnusBlack:
I'd reset the phone and try without 3rd party launchers or software besides the big ones (gapps, WhatsApp...).
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Zaynx:
Anyone, can you help me backup my app+data on oreo? I use titanium, restore stuck on 0%..
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] BigCock1:
Hi Planet9,

Please make this ROM official. There are jenkins server for you. This ROM is 95% stable
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] stark_br:
You have to set the processing method to "INTERACTIVE", then it will work.

hit problems>preferences>app processing mode
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Zaynx:
sadly that method only restore apk, my data apk keep lost

Sorry for bad english, i'm from indonesian
[Asus ZenFone 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] inashell:
With Official tag, it would attract more Zenfone 3 users.
[General Questions and Answers] jvd7:
Hi there,

I couldn't find Huawei Y330-U11’s official rom (firmware) in Huawei's official website. But I found it here: huawei-firmware[dot]com

My device build number: Y330-U11 V100R001C00B112

Custom version: CUSTC433D001

My Questions:

1- Is this site trustworthy? if not, please introduce me some reliable sites for downloading Huawei's official roms.

2- In that website, I found two official roms with this build number and version. One for Kenya and the other for Myanmar (but with different Sizes: 1.26GB, 1.31GB). What is the difference between these two official roms? Just language or other differences?

2-My country is none of the mentioned countries (It's in Middle East). Is it safe to download and install one of the above official roms? If yes, which one? If no, please introduce me other reliable sites)

Thanks in Advance
[General Questions and Answers] jvd7:
Nobody can help me?
[General Questions and Answers] James_Watson:
I don't think that website is an official site of Huawei as you can't find any logo of Huawei in those web pages.

As far as I know, from EMUI 4.0 on, Huawei will not release complete update packages on its official website to provide greater security to users.

So, if you require updates or system recovery, it is recommended that you use the following:

1. Perform an online update.

2. Use HiSuite (version 4.0.3.300 or later) for system recovery. Check on the system recovery screen for a list of the models supported.

Btw, HiSuite is an utility software developed by Huawei. You can download it from the Huawei official website.
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] almeister41:
There have been sites that claim they have the firmware but say you'll need a premium account. If anyone has access to this firmware, it would be highly appreciated. Im using HK HTC M9 with unlocked bootloader and S-ON but when I flashed ARHD, I get No SIM signal. I'm trying to get back to stock or if anyone has any idea of a custom ROM that would give me SIM signal that would be great as well.
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lucyr03:
The latest ruu for your M9 is marshmallow: https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=673368273298946916

You can't flash this ruu if you're on higher version with s-off.

Theoretically all himaul nougat roms should have signal on this firmware.
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] almeister41:
Thats what makes it weird! My stock ROM was Nougat but there are only Marshmallow firmwares online
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shaqman89:
What is your current CID and MID given in fastboot?

It would be a good idea to share all the info, except imei, from fastboot.

It might be the CID and MID has been changed hence you got nougat.

Did you got it from ebay or something like so?