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[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ydnaroo:
Hi. Has anyone in the UK had the update yet? If so, on what network? Cheers - Y
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] NinjaTheory:
My guess is it's rolled out across ranges of IMEIs. I moved from Beta to Official a few days ago myself but I had to wait a day and a half after others got it.

Pretty sure if millions of devices suddenly seeded 1.5GB updates there'd be a lot more complaints about slow download times, crashed servers etc.

Let's just say Nokia weighed their options and chose for the roll out over batches of IMEIs and face the wrath of an XDA member who wants it immediately vs. upsetting larger numbers of people who really don't care if they get it today, tomorrow or next week or next month.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Euphorion:
I have a new nokia 8 since yesterday. Successfully updated to 8.0 and february patch but no 8.1. Model is TA-1012 (France). I don't understand since few others in my country receveid it :(

I tried clear cache and data of Google Services Framerwork with removal of SIM card, VPN.... Still nothing. I have to wait I guess.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] John Hoyne:
Yes. Three.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ydnaroo:
Thank you. I'm using the Beta on PlusNet (EE) but have not had it yet. I've got a gash 3 SIM, I might give it a try later. Thanks again. :)
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ydnaroo:
Well that worked!! :highfive: Checked with my normal PlusNet SIM fitted and no update. Installed a Three data SIM I use in a tablet and it was already downloading by the time I went to System Update. That was within 2 minutes of my last check with the PN SIM. :victory::victory::victory:

Thank you very much again John. :D:D:D:D

Cheers - Andy
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] John Hoyne:
Glad you managed to get updated :)
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] super_joe:
Yes, that's the culprit. Some Operators block teh update. I was waiting now for a week. Tried two local SIM cards and just now a UK one and voila, Update arrived straight away.

Really crazy.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Paladin987:
Also me today i received it and currently installing in Cyprus.

On a European Dual Sim model
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Euphorion:
Finally I received it! TA-1012 single sim in France with Free operator.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Euphorion:
It's me or animations are a lot faster with this update ? Double tap on recent apps is instantaneous!

Edit : I noticed that all animations are disabled by default in Developper Settings. Weird.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cri347:
Nope, simply it's a staged rollout, hmd as parameters uses the country of connection and the carrier to select the devices to send the update.

They could do as from Google, assigning to each device an unique ID, and draw among those, but the result doesn't change, it will always take several weeks before the update reaches everyone.

I was in Beta Lab and had the beta, today I received the stable version... (TA-1004 in Italy with TIM).
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] revanmj:
Either way update availability depends, for at least some time, on which carrier you use even if you bought your phone from normal store, not a carrier. And you can try to speed it up by changing to some other carrier's SIM card.

While in case of some other OEMs (Google), updates avaialability on devices bought in store do not depend, at any time, on which carrier is your SIM from.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ydnaroo:
Most definitely dependent on the network used as well, no doubt, as other things. I posted yesterday when I got the update in the UK by changing to a different carrier SIM. I've got a 'retail' non-carrier TA-1012 bought from John Lewis which is normally on a PlusNet (EE) SIM. John Hoyne posted that he'd had the update on Three in the UK so I thought I'd try a Three data SIM I have in a tablet. The download for the update started immediately after the Three SIM was fitted. I was in a bit of a hurry at the time and thought I'd be clever and put my normal SIM back in while it was downloading the update via WiFi, as soon as the normal SIM was inserted the download stopped and all trace of the ongoing update disappeared! I reinserted the Three SIM and update reappeared again and the download started from the beginning again so I left the Three SIM in until the update completed and the phone had restarted. Voila. :D
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] user1904:
Any Singaporean here got the update? I'm on Singtel and still no signs :(
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cri347:
Of course, but it isn't the carrier that blocks the update, it would not have the means to do it, being an unbranded smartphone.

In the staged rollout, the updates are enabled only a few devices at a time, this to prevent any last-minute problems compromising too many devices (something that happens on iOS for example).

Google assigns an ID to each device and to determine who will receive the update today, or next week, chooses a number of these random IDs. For this reason many people have the cancellation of the Services Framework data as a solution, since that is the service used to assign an ID.

hmd instead stacks updates for countries, but in a country there are thousands of devices, too many to receive the update all together, so as a second filter use the network on which it is attested. This is why changing the SIM works, provided that the rollout has started in your country, but not because the carrier interferes.

However it makes no sense to exploit tricks to be among the first to receive the update. This could have relatively serious bugs, as happened with the stable build of Oreo. Better to wait, IMHO
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] revanmj:
Honestly, I don't care if it's HMD or carrier that prevents me from updating due to operator I am on. All I care is that I can't reliably get latest version right after release.

Also, it doesn't help HMD that they're avoiding clearly describing their rollout strategy, so we are left figuring this out ourselves. This leaves people to speculate that carriers can be pushing to delay updates (and for me it entirely possible that some big carriers can push young company like HMD to do this).

I forced the stable Oreo update by using different SIM few days after initial release and didn't encounter any bugs.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cri347:
All the OEMs release the big updates a few devices at a time and none of them explains the methodology they use to determine who will receive first and who after the update.

Everyone simply says that the update will reach the various devices over several weeks. So I don't understand why to make it a hmd problem.

I didn't say that forcing the update brings problems. Simply if they are released in a staggered manner is to avoid the spread of any problems.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] gee2012:
Just got the 8.1 update while setting up my unlocked 128/6GB TA-1012, Netherlands EU.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] revanmj:
Other OEMs say that they released update for USA SIM-free devices or for devices bought from T-Mobile in Germany and others will follow later (and they later publish updates when other carriers or regions are added to the rollout, sometimes even adding that for example everyone should get update by end of the month).

HMD does nothing like this. They say that rollout has started and that's it. You don't know when it's supposed to finish (8.0 took about month to reach everyone).

They generally say very little about update plans - people on their community forums asked many times about 8.1 release and its potential beta for Nokia 8. They didn't respond at all. We didn't know anything (besides info that Nokia 2 will get it) about it until it was officially announced.

They could have said that they plan to release it (not every OEM release x.1 updates), put it in public beta and that stable build should reach everyone by the end of February. Would it be so hard? I bet people would feel way better about them and didn't flood their forums with questions about it if HMD communicated updates this way. Especially that they like to praise update availability on Twitter while it has not reached many users yet (like they did with 8.0 for Nokia 8).

Also, you can't install update manually like you can with other OEMs, which is why HMD's lack of communication is especially annoying. I didn't care about Google's random rollout since I knew that within few days from an announcement I could download OTA ZIP manually and sideload it in case I didn't got it the normal way by that time.

They should either improve communication or allow people to manually install OTAs if they want to keep silent about the updates.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] manuerduarte:
Finally get 8.1
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] mati5000:
I received 8.1 in Poland
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MrBelter:
I got it yesterday afternoon, BT (EE)
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ydnaroo:
Yep, thanks for that. :) I'm on PlusNet which is also EE. I managed to get the update a couple of days ago by using a Three SIM. Seems like I'd likely of got it soon anyway. Thanks again.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] srikanthuk:
On a longer usage the battery life on my phone is pretty bad compared to 8.0.

Didn't install anything new and the standby battery and SOT have gone down heavily
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Luhccas-X10:
I have almost the same SOT on my device.

Decreased by about 20 minutes of autonomy but it's a lot faster than before.

This consumption is understandable since there is an improvement.

Sent from my Nokia 8!
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] srikanthuk:
My bad, Think i got my device back to my old battery specs as per my usage.

As of now it as been 1d 1h 47mins till my full charge and 2hr and 21mins SOT. Expected to run another 1d 16h and 41m more (62% battery left)

Did two things

1. Cleared the Google chrome cache and cleared google chrome

2. removed an sdcard that i had inserted after the 8.1 update. (Wasnt using it either)

I don't know if these had anything to do with the improvement but there seems to be a huge improvement. At the worst i was getting 24hrs backup time with 3hrs SOT.

Hopefully this info helps someone else
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Luhccas-X10:
After almost two weeks I can say that the update is nice.

Battery ok, faster, stable and better bluetooth.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Optimus_Toaster:
No update on my TA-1012 with EE. Got a free sim from the vodafone website, popped it in and 8.1 immediately appeared and started downloading. Take out the voda sim, the download continues. Pop the EE sim in and the download stops, the update vanishes.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] srikanthuk:
Yes for me the Bluetooth update was a god send and my camera is finally usable.

Using the Nokia 8 as my primary device finally and it doesn't disappoint
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MrBelter:
Its a bit bizarre all this EE SIM swapping malarkey innit, i got it on BT (EE) but it seems like i was quite lucky.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] TeddyBeers:
Same in here.

I'm (was) on Oreo beta, EE network.

Didn't get the stable update at all.

Removed EE sim, then restarted phone couple of times, checked updates, but nothing showed up.

Popped in some random sim card from abroad, switched on the phone then update showed up straight away.

It must be something to do with EE network (as always)
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] eriniki:
Still nothing in Australia from two TA-1012s both with aldi (Telstra network) sims, over a fortnight on.

8.0 was delayed here for unlocked handsets with Vodafone sims (as they were just bundled in with the Vodafone's branded ones), but it seems with 8.1 everything in Australia has just been delayed due to the single carrier selling branded Nokias. :/

At this rate I'm hoping we still end up getting it before the March security patch, as it is we're already one behind as the second Feb one was bundled with the version update.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ajgftw:
Yeah I've already hit up both Nokia and Vodafone on social media regarding the whole mess with Australia and updates. As usual they didn't reveal anything actually informative (not sure that I ever really expected anything different though).

I still haven't ruled out petitioning Vodafone to let me return it for another phone because the prompt OS updates we're a lot of the reason I chose the Nokia 8 in the first place.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] dragonfly28:
I'm in vietnam and using nokia 8 TA-1004 (free sim), I don't receive any update, I cleared famework, changed sim but I don't see any things, haizz
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] matthewsteeples:
Can second (or third) this. Normal SIM is a Virgin SIM (runs on top of EE). Was in the beta program, but wouldn't upgrade to final. Took it out, put a spare Three SIM in and off it goes downloading!
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] lukas91:
Chả biết bao giờ mới đến Việt Nam mình. Thấy Philippines bình luận có rồi. Thực ra tôi hóng bản cập nhật camera hơn.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] amunarjoh:
Keep it English, guys!
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ajgftw:
Hey mate, got some results after a bit of research and a chat with a Nokia support staff member.

Step 1. Remove your sim card

Step 2. Disable all Google location services.

Step 3. Using a VPN, set it to a European country, (I used Denmark as I knew some people had reported receiving the update there)

Step 4: Check for system updates.

If that doesn't work, in the Android VPN settings you can enable it to block all connections that aren't through the VPN. Enable that, and enable always on VPN (this helps make sure the device isn't getting location information from your WiFi network before the VPN is active)

If you still don't get any results, try factory resetting the device and do not put your SIM card in afterwards. then repeat steps 2 through 4 above.

I ended up factory resetting my device because it wasn't a big deal for me (I'm used to constantly flashing ROMs and starting with a clean slate on my Nexus 6P) but after the reset and after following the steps above, the OTA updates started pouring in.

Now my Nokia 8, purchased through Vodafone, is running 8.1 with the Feb security patch.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MrBelter:
It is much easier just to try another SIM card.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ajgftw:
Definitely.

As long as your not in Australia ?

Here in Australia changing SIM cards doesn't change anything.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] eriniki:
Yeeeep. I'm torn at the moment, between giving up and doing a vpn-triggered download for both my handset and my partner's; Or... Waiting a scant few more days and messaging Nokia support again to ask about a problem with updating - and then ask why the **** it's unavailable a *month* after it released, haha.

Honestly it's just a crock of ****, not only do rollouts take this long (Google's are over 4-5 days!), they've also disabled Google's default "initiating update manually skips the rollout stagger for that handset" that's been the norm for a year or two now.

Heck, I might bug support again now.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Iwin#:
To be honest Nokia support is one of the worst I've come across. I seriously doubt they'll be able to solve your problem through chat or email. I downgraded my phone to 7.1.1 due to issues in Oreo, at a physical service centre.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ajgftw:
I can probably save you some time there.

I have emailed both Nokia and Vodafone a lot over the last week or two.

From what they told me Nokia has done everything they can, they have confirmed that they have made both the Feburary security patch and the Android 8.1 update available to Vodafone to test and approve for release. Nokia can't force their hand.

To their credit the Nokia support staff members I've spoken to have been really helpful and once I'd explained that I had exhausted all options with Vodafone they readily explained how I could use a VPN to cut Vodafone out of the equation.

I spoke to at least 7 different members of Vodafone staff via email and social media. Vodafone refuse to acknowledge they are anything less than perfect regarding software updates.

They allow customers to believe that the devices they sell will receive updates at the same rate as unlocked devices and intentionally limit the information they provide to customers regarding updates to perpetuate this assumption.

I have even already informed them that their current practices are essentially false advertising though omission and that I would have a case if I took the matter to the ACCC, this did nothing to change their tune.

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The Nokia support staff member I spoke to via chat did at first suggest taking the device to a physical Nokia store, but in Australia there is only 2 that I know of, and they are about 5 hours away...by plane, so wasn't really an option in my case haha :silly:
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] eriniki:
Except, here's the thing: I'm NOT with Vodafone. The handset was purchased unlocked, untethered, from JB, the sim is from Aldi, who resell from Telstra mobile.

There's no Vodafone in my handset chain at all, and yet I'm still being refused an update, simply for being in a country with a carrier that does delay. So my situation is 100% Nokia's fault. :/
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ajgftw:
Of course. Sorry, I just re-read your previous post and saw that you'd already mentioned that.

I've already got an active email conversation going with someone from Nokia customer care, I'll raise your scenario with them and see what they say in case we learn something new.

Do you know where JB-hifi sourced their stock? It's not always directly from the OEM and so there's always the possibility that Vodafone ordered the stock from Nokia, then sold some stock to other retailers and your device, as far as Nokia's servers is concerned, is a Vodafone device.

I've had that happen with one of my previous phones.

Another thing to add to the list of problems that are easily solved when the user can unlock the bootloader and manage their device themselves I guess!
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] eriniki:
Ugh, just got off their useless in-app support chat; Having to deal with someone whom tried to tell me that "it's not Nokia that puts out the updates, it's Android" (it's Google, they 'meant', but it's still Nokia setting the rollout locks), and also that even if my handset is unbranded and my carrier has zero effect on Nokia (aka doesn't sell them), apparently it still absolutely definitely depends on my carrier. Even with no sim in, depends on my mobile operator. Yep.

I've done first and second tier helpdesk before, and while I know not to get frustrated at the frontline fodder for things they can't control, I still do get frustrated when they sling incorrect **** at me after I've already explained why it can't be so. Apparently it's "being escalated", though they told me they don't know if I'll be contacted back; in which case the escalation is useless.

As far as the handset being Vodafone's, it shouldn't be; Back when 8.0 hit I DID have a quasi-vodafone sim (TPG, reseller also), with no update, however it came instantly upon switching to the Aldi one - which wouldn't have happened if it were still handset-locked. Well, might have to bug them in a few days again when it IS a month.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ajgftw:
I feel your pain.

It takes all my strength not to press send on the first thing I type when they're "explaining" things to me. I'm a final year Mobile and Web Application Development student at University, I've got pretty good idea how it all works thank you Vodafone customer support.

Lol if you looked you could probably pick my conversations with them out on the Vodafone AU Facebook page.

I know it's ridiculous that it even needs to be an option, but the factory reset and VPN option did work for me and my device is 100% Vodafone. So it would most likely work in your case as well.

I'm still really hoping something is done about it all though because my girlfriend got the Nokia 8 with Vodafone as well on my recommendation (before I knew what we were in for) and factory resetting her device is a big deal.

She's not like me, she hasn't spent the last 5 years jumping between custom ROMs and fixing bootloops for breakfast.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Insomniac535:
I have a Hong Kong model (TA-1052) in Australia with an Optus SIM and still no 8.1... ridiculous.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] user1904:
Received March security update, but still stuck at 8.0.0.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] NinjaTheory:
Got the March update and running 8.1 official. India but DXB international model Nokia 8.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] tungmt:
Yeah, me too, so sad :(
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] revanmj:
Got it on 8.1, still old camera app, Smart Lock still gets broken after restart if you don't disable it before and re-enable after.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] millanboy:
TA-1012 Australia

I'm still on February security patch and 8.0
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] NinjaTheory:
Australia is often forgotten about by the rest of the world it seems lol!
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] dragonfly28:
In Vietnam, Nokia 8 only has update March 2018 with android 8.0

Not receive 8.1. I don't understand. Why ? Althought I want to be in 8.1 and in another country, Nokia has been in 8.1
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ben_linux:
To be fair, Australia is always forgotten by nearly every OEM. It seems like you guys have really no luck regarding updates.

Everytime I go to an international forum, (xda/Reddit/Android Central, comments in gsmarena etc) I can be sure that I will find an Australian complaining about not receiving any update for his Samsung, Nokia, HTC, LG, etc.

Nothing personal of course. You won't be able to complain more than Indian anyway, they are the undisputed champions.:D
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] NinjaTheory:
This is true. I'm Indian and if there's anything they're excellent at it's complaining.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] lukas91:
Finally, Vietnam got 8.1 update with April security path.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] vnzorro:
Keep waiting for my new Nokia 8 to arrive :)
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] anzbert:
8.1 and March update have just arrived for some users in Australia, including myself.

Hopefully the april patch will appear soon as well.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] lxxxxxr:
I have April patch but no 8.1 in Australia :(
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] droid_freak90:
Same here, April patch, no 8.1 on Optus network. Vodafone has it listed as "Rolling out soon" so might chuck in my housemates Vodafone sim and check for updates later on.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pumpino:
You could try what this Nokia 7 Plus user did to trigger an update. https://xdaforums.com/nokia-7-plus/...odel-stuck-t3780101/post76376307#post76376307
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ajgftw:
Don't bother trying a Vodafone Sim, I'm on Vodafone.

The Nokia 8 on Vodafone hasn't received a single update since December last year. No security patches or anything.

That Vodafone website will probably say rolling out soon for the rest of the year.