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[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Well, I don't know who made more stupid mistake. Someone who leaked the SOAK, even he agreed to not to, or some of you who cannot wait to get official update.

Not so long time ago, OTA was leaked as well, some inpatient people flashed it and then cried and blamed Moto why they cannot get official update :mad:

SOAK is made with a reason...

Exactly! Doing beta testing is risky but chooses people should get support. Others, well... :)
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] rafikowy:
Well, maybe I am stupid, but waiting for the new software (doesn't matter if it's alpha, beta, RC, developer, preview, etc... version) and installing it immediately once it's released it's a kinda habbit to me - I work a QA Engineer since 2010 so every new software release makes me curious. ;)
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Well, when you should know purpose of testing and why you should not blame, in this case Moto, if something goes wrong ;)
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] rafikowy:
I did not blame Moto on anything yet. :P
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Ok, let's be move conversation to be more constructive. Could you list all bugs you had with Oreo? So I can double check and bug report.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] rafikowy:
Yea, sure. :) I reproduced two of them on nearly-clean Oreo installation.

1. Voice calls on weak signal (GPRS in my case). My device soft rebooted twice after 10-15 voice call started.

2. National data roaming didn't work at all for me (I live in Poland and my operator is PLAY). It's probably some bigger problem I even had with my previous device (Moto X Style) and looks like it's still not fixed. More details HERE.

Oh, and something what really annoyed me: after every successful reboot phone vibrates 2 times without showing any notification, toast, pop-up. Literally nothing. Just let's say... standalone vibrations. :D It happened to me around 20-30 seconds once lock screen is showed after reboot.

Hope you'll be able to reproduce these bugs or at least find someone who can.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Just to be sure, voice call was regular call not VoIP or with third party app? Does it happen with 3G/4G? Btw, GRPS is part of GSM/2G for packet data.

National roaming I cannot test but I can test international.

I'm not rebooting my phone often, no reason for that. And I want to actually test how stable is in long run. I haven't noticed any strange vibration after reboot.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] rafikowy:
Yes, I made a few regular calls using standard Phone app.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Ok, switched to gsm/edge, made a call (about 7m), no problems or reboots. Call quality was excellent.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] rafikowy:
Hmm maybe it was the case that I was on gsm/edge and I LOST SIGNAL (without noticing it becouse reboot happened immediately)? Are you able to simulate such case?
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
I will try...
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
The soak you installed. What region is it for? I'm guessing that's part of the problem as I've had none with the many calls I've made and my signal had been just as strong if not better in some cases. I work in a metal school building and I'm on GSM.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Greamos:
There is no region
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Yeah, that came to me mind as well. Usually with update, new version of baseband is coming. I forgot to check what was baseband version before. If someone can check for retus on 7.1.1.

?!
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
Rofl umm yes there is. RETIN. RETUS RETPAC.... Want me to continue? There's reasons that they make international versions of phones and software. Different radio frequencies.. ya know like why a Chinese domestic phone has Limited use in the US.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Greamos:
I mean, you can install it on every region

---------- Post added at 07:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:58 PM ----------

There is no region for this update
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
Yeah there is. Just like always and yes you can install them anywhere but that isn't going to give you the correct baseband for your region. That's why they release them for different markets. Which will also give you signal issues and other small errors. Mine is for RETUS. They released a different one for RETIN and they have for the other regions as well. Like normal. Like always.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Exactly. I don't know from where those "experts" getting such conclusions and ever worse, spread on the forum so others just believe them. I mean, could be done the same update for all regions but that would be, afaik, exception.

OK, now we probably know why [MENTION=5750370]rafikowy[/MENTION] had problems :)
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
That's what I'm thinking. Seriously I make a ton of calls in my phone and no random reboots or issues that I've seen in those regards
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Greamos:
I never said i was a expert lol :)
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
I have never called you expert :D
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Greamos:
True
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] rafikowy:
I am not a specialist of regions, software channels, etc. but:

- I flashed the OTA SOAK file which is uploaded publicly to MEGA (Blur_Version.27.1.28.addison.retail.en.US.zip);

- device I'm using gets updates via RETEU channel;

- my phone is running on flashed firmware for RETAIL "channel" (ADDISON_NPNS26.118-22-2-12_cid50_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml.zip) and over this firmware I flashed Oreo Soak file;
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
As I thought it looks like you flashed the RETUS firmware over what should be RETEU. That would cause signal issues and possibly random reboots when your phone is having problems trying to connect to Cellular Networks these are all issues people have had repeatedly in different forms on different Moto devices and other devices when they flash firmware from a different region to their phone it can be done if you use the proper radios for your region if they have been modified and made to work properly.

This is an issue that popped up on the Moto X pure forum a lot. The Moto X pure and the Moto X Style are essentially the same phone but they have different firmware for the different regions they are in you can Flash their files in between each other but it causes issues just like it will here when you flash a different Channel over your phone it can work but will cause issues :good:
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Greamos:
I've flashed it too, and i'm from reteu.. i dont have any errors
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
If love to see your point if you have one. If you read what I put I said it could cause errors not it will.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] M1810:
No new soak test?
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Artim_96:
There is one but nobody had yet provided the file
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] M1810:
Yeah.. proably being careful not to be catch by motorola.. or else they won't get new OTA's..
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Artim_96:
Or they could just release it, in a few weeks the first dev preview of Android P will most likely be released. Or at least make public betas like Google, OnePlus or even Samsung! But I know, that's too easy
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Moto doesn't like us anymore :D Reason? Somebody leaked OTA.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
Which is why when I keep getting asked about information about the soak test I don't respond just like you :)
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Nobody is not even asking me :D They know will not get it :)
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] M1810:
Motorola is really strict in terms of information.. oh wrll, we'll have to wait probably 2 weeks more
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Artim_96:
Let's hope it's 2 weeks and not 2 month. P preview will roll out in 2-4 weeks if Google sticks to the plan of the last 2 years
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] formula2:
Hope dies last. :)
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] DonnyWhite:
Im sick of this oreo drama. Unlock bootloader then installed AOSP 8.1 and had an awesome result. Few more tweaks and it is good as gold.

Heavy 3D online gaming and still got 9hrs SOT.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] rodrigo9411:
The problem with that is (in my particular case) i have Moto Mods (The turbo battery and the jbl speaker) so the mod support is a must for any rom i use
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] DonnyWhite:
Actually, i agree with you on that. I have jbl too but, i often leave it home and go with bluetooth portable speaker. Since i love the idea of a slim phone. I barely touch my motomods.

Maybe if moto makes a great camera motomods, i will more than likely to back to stock locked rom.

But so far, AOSP gives me more performance and more batt life.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] M1810:
The thing is that some of us like the stock moto apps and design.. which we won't get if we flash another ROM..

Also camera quality is reduces as always..
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
I get that all the time actually completely stock.

I agree with you on this.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] DonnyWhite:
Yep. But still, we can go back to stock anytime.

The problem is, my phone is about 6mo now and i never touch even 7hr SOT.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
Mine is over a year old. Never get it hot only charge it when it needs to around 18% and pull it around 95 or so. Use it all the time for navigation and music along with browsing and playing some random silly games. Then again I was someone who got over 5 on my X pure edition
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Let me ask again, why some of you are so looking forward to Oreo?

Btw, you know that we are going to get 8.0?
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] ArnabPari:
How much stable AOSP 8.1? Is it like stock of Motorola? I mean camera. Can AOSP 8.1 be a daily driver? Is it pre rooted?
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
They think every update brings a bunch of cool new things I guess. But we aren't on a Pixel so..
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Artim_96:
We know. And why we are looking forward to oreo? Because it's out for half a year and brings some great changes. And fixes. And having latest OS should be standard. We will most likely already get updates for only two years and Motorola can't even manage to deliver the monthly patches so that's the least we can expect.

And if Motorola would be smart they would use that opportunity to bring us Trebble which would significantly reduce the work needed to bring bigger updates. And once Motorola stopped bringing them it will be much easier to make stable custom ROMs since the devs wouldn't need to worry about drivers that much anymore. And Custom ROMs would become much more universal with just little changes needed to make it work on any Trebble device. And maybe they could support Moto mods much easier
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Even Pixel is not getting much visible changes. Android is matured now, most changes are just evolution, tweaking. IMO, Oreo should be 7.2 not 8.

The biggest change is the project treble but I don't think that Moto (or any other vendor) will actually implement and use it any time soon.

OK, we got way improved BT audio but without that and being part of SOAK, I could stay on Nougat without missing much.

Btw, recently I saw that 9 is coming later this year with different GUI...
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
Yeah besides the audio improvements I'd stay on nougat as well
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] rafikowy:
Is only BT audio improved or audio as overall (including jack 3.5mm) improved as well?
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
I thought you already installed the soak and have gone back? Wouldn't you know?
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] rafikowy:
Had no time to focus on testing audio quality during my short soak episode. ;)
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
I like quick settings as well. Now is really quick, one tap away to turn something on/off. How suppose to be.

How the hell they can do that? :) BT imporvement is done by implementing different codecs, then D/A conversion is done by DAC in the headphones. 3.5mm depends of the DAC and amplifier in the phone.

Btw, another side must support new codecs. Some older headphones or similar will not benefit from the new codecs. Under developer options can be seen which codec is used as well under BT settings.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
You weren't supposed to explain it to him :silly:
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] DonnyWhite:
For me, it is stable enough. Its like stock android, moto camera is provided and the only problem was the delay when opening camera or changing from back cam to front cam but quality-wise as good as stock rom. IMHO, its not that much of a delay. For now I'm choosing this rom because of the battery life improvement from stock moto 7.1 rom.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Baronik:
Can you specify how much better is with battery life? Of course, approximately...
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] DonnyWhite:
A day before changing to AOSP 8.1 i give a stock rom a test for battery life and it's doing great as usual given me near 7hr SOT with gaming about 95% of the time. Then i installed AOSP, after few hours of installing apps i charged the phone at night before sleep & when 100% i unplugged the phone to play youtube till i fall asleep. Next morning i checked it was 96% and i was surprised. App optimization works better more like greenify.

After that i perform a gaming test, the result was amazing with 9hr SOT.

Just today i perform an office day test with mostly youtube and a little bit of gaming. The result was 10hr for now and still have 23% charge and i literally haven't charge this phone since last night which is odd/amazing.

My gaming test performed with

1. Mobile Legends

2. Arena Of Valor

3. Construction Simulator 2014

*SOT will vary based on apps installed, someone will say they got over 8hrs SOT with the phone at stock rom but my point here was the exact performance of battery when i do my gaming workload & my office workload. Then i get the exact results for me.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Baronik:
thanks for info, really good to know, that battery optimization is possible to feel in day-to-day usage. Since 6.x Google announcing that battery will be better and usually every big update make battery life shorter instead of longer.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] DonnyWhite:
Just a quick update, when batt optimization is off on the game, it will drain batt faster. But for me there's almost no difference with performance.

Gaming for 3hrs with no batt optimization and 61% batt remaining.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
I know but why not? That's the one of the point of the forum. If you consider how much time other people spend to make custom rom, kernels... explaining one thing is peanut :)
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
A new cookie ;)
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Ravi Venugopal:
agreed
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] jujulechti:
Do you think that it will be the last one before everyone can get a retail one?
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
You didn't ask me but I will give you my opinion anyway :D

It's hard to say, we just got it. It takes couple of days to see how it works, batter life, etc.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] jujulechti:
Ok thanks you very much for those informations ?
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
So we got sprinkles and new launcher. Some people will like more icons, I'm happy to finally remove Google search. Yeah!!! :D
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Btw, where is a guy who was crying for rounded icons?
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Ravi Venugopal:
unlikely
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Think positive. If previous build was "last one" then then we'll stuck with old launcher. Now we got new one, dots... Pretty major update, if they continue, we may get 8.1 (not likely but...)
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] jujulechti:
That guy xD
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Shounak Todankar:
Hi guys. Can I have the Moto app launcher of Moto z play of oreo beta#2 ??????
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] marcospheitosa:
Where do I download the installation Img?
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Ravi Venugopal:
Man we ain't getting stuck...It's a process...And if there r no cribs for like 2 weeks...Then this might be it....Else. U now as much as I....The more the chatter at the forum...The more time it wud take.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
What? Let me clarify for you Ravi. Those of us in the soak test are continuing to find issues and report them because of that we have gotten new things and I'm pretty sure as complaining about still having the Google Now launcher is why we got the new one in this update I'm still trying to figure out what you were writing there... But we do know a little bit more
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Ravi Venugopal:
Ok...Since u r thing to figure out...What I wrote...As long as bugs continue to be reported ...New versions will have to come out...So it won't be the final update.....What I said was that ....Till the chatter at soak test forum continues..(bug reports)...We can't expect a stable one....

I was trying to not be specific about soak test forums...

Anyway...Thanks for ur efforts on the google now launcher...And thanks for knowing a little bit more...

Take care bro
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Greamos:
But.. i'm the cookie
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] leandrocaf:
I am in Soak test 2. I still having problem with the soft keys going up and down... and some times I have a delay when a click home or back button. Any one know how to solve this?
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
But not a new :D
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] DonnyWhite:
Do you want to live with buggy rom? Come on man, are you serious right now? I'd rather wait than updating to a buggy rom.

If they're not chattering bout the bugs, we can't even have a stable rom. R u kidding me?
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
I would recommend to ignore him, it's hard to understand his writings anyway.

Btw, latest build brought more visible features but it's most unstable/buggy so far.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] rafikowy:
Hope Moto will fix all these issues before the final release.

I don't know developing/pushing live processes at Motorola, but as a person who work in IT since 2010, I'm 95% sure we'll need to wait 2-4 more weeks for Oreo release for MZP. :)
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
Bit more than that with how long it's taking them to do any releases for us on the soak test :rolleyes: they seem to be a bit slow
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] DonnyWhite:
Noted.

Agreed. It's like they not even make MZP a priority as they should. They got a new lineup with Moto Z3 so we're like a low key.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
I'm pretty sure it's mostly that they just don't have as many developers on this phone anymore as it is going to be the third generation back soon but at least they have still been doing security updates and major OS updates probably going to be the last major one we get that is why we are trying to make sure it is bug free or at least as bug-free as possible I happen to know that a couple of testers have been going hard trying to make this phone glitch so that we can get them fixed I'm currently capturing a bug report as we speak :eek:
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] rafikowy:
Minor, important, urgent or critical one? :cowboy:
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Time is relative. For such king of the job is hard to make and follow a time plan. Some things can be done in a minute, some takes days to find and fix the bug. Look how long takes us to test things. We cannot update, test and report that everything just works because in few days may not (memory leak for example).

I was also wondering what are they doing and then after couple of weeks, new build with new launcher, etc.

I know and see that some people are inpatient. Understandable, but as many times said, this is most probably the last major update for this phone. Ending up with buggy firmware would be worst than not getting update at all.

p.s.

Damn, couple of post happened since I've started to write this post.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] M1810:
Can someone share the new camera, dier and help from the new soak test?
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] xantanion:
I'll just say yes cause it was for 3 things. At once :silly: GD memory management seems to have issues
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Till you wait, which one is missing (or I could not find it) on the picture? :)
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] jujulechti:
Oreo sadly,

So that last soak ? Almost bug free ? ?
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Oreo is on another place. Old versions are going here when new one is out.

Try again ;)

Oreo, well, still has issues, reported, waiting for Moto to fix.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] jujulechti:
Oooh nougat is missing!
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Yes, I couldn't find nougat. Should be on the first photo, together with others. Mystery :D
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
Just to give you idea how long testing could last. After days without reboot and problems, today phone was warmer than usual. Then I figured out that something is keeping CPU on max frequency, 100% utilization, battery was rapidly was dropping as well. Whatever I've tried, nothing helped except reboot.
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] jujulechti:
Intresting, hope they will fix it soon, i was getting the same issue on the very first CM14 ROMS back in the days ...
[Moto Z Play Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeljko1234:
For custom roms is kind of acceptable as soon as developer will continue to work on it and eventually fix it. For official one, not really. That's whay SOAK is all about. We should not give a green light as long we are facing such issues.

I liked most battery life and rock stability of this phone...
[Essential Phone Questions & Answers] cj250mills:
Hey guys,

So the USB cable I was using to flash my fiance's ph-1 to an Oreo beta came unplugged halfway through the flash.

The phone is now in a bootloop. I can't get to recovery mode via VU+pwr or through the fastboot menu. I can use fastboot and my PC recognizes the phone. However, I forgot to tick allow bootloader unlock in Dev setting so I am unable to flash anything to the phone.

Edit: Wondering if there is still a way to get the phone recognized in QFIL with HS-USB mode... I have tried every button combination I can think of with no luck :/

Am I screwed?

Any help is greatly appreciated..

Cj250mills
[Essential Phone Questions & Answers] millicent:
Ask essential for help, they should be able to sort this out. I think you'll have to send it back to them. In any case, please let us know how you manage to solve it.

Good luck
[Essential Phone Questions & Answers] cj250mills:
No luck from essential, they told me all they can do is offer an out of warranty replacement for 200 bucks. I really expected better from a company that actively promotes participating in their beta's so frequently online. :/