[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
You don't seem to understand. LG is in a jam for a reason. They have FAILED financially in their mobile division when they started off about equally in design and reputation with Samsung a few years ago.

They've made a series of mistakes where they didn't innovate like they should have, to cause people to buy their phones. Or made really stupid design mistakes like "last year's Snapdragon" or marketing mistakes like regionalizing the specs on a FLAGSHIP PHONE. That sends a clear signal your G series isn't that important.

That mods idea on the G series was just stupid. Remove the bottom of the phone... Any mods means you left something out in the first place. But the way they implemented it was beyond crazy. I criticize Motorola for their mods too, but at least theirs is designed better -- and they are a sub-brand of Lenovo, not a full fledged company! I refuse to buy a phone with mods.

My narrative EXPLAINS everything LG did wrong, while your narrative says everything is quite FANTASTIC. :rolleyes:

Yet, they are shaking up their mobile division for the nth time. They now report to VP instead of the CEO (the mobile division has been demoted in LG hierarchy). They've floated rumors of maybe releasing one flagship phone per year instead of two. "As needed", they said.

And to me, that's the whole point. They need to go back to ONE flagship phone per year and make that the best phone possible.

I am an LG fan, but I can also see where they went wrong -- which is why the V30 is the first LG phone I've bought as a daily driver in 3 years. (not counting some G2 I bought off eBay to be back up phones). I've worked on lots of LG G2, G3 and won a 2015 G4 --which I quickly sold because it wasn't as good as my 2014 Moto XT1225.

Look at the specs of even the ZTE Axon 7 (which competes quite well with the 2016 Pixel XL) and look at the 2016 LG G5.

https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/ZTE-Axon-7,LG-G5/phones/10068,9819?ft=2

The G5 is clearly inferior in every way. The ZTE Axon 7 has the same 1440p 5.5" Samsung AMOLED display the Pixel would use later in the year (yes the exact same part number). Award winning quad DAC. Yes, from ZTE. Front facing stereo speakers. Snapdragon 820/64GB internal memory/4GB RAM + microSD slot. All for $450. THAT is the phone LG should have made for the LG G5. The ZTE Axon 7 has even as good hardware specs or better than the months-later Google Pixel XL, if you ignore the slight differences between 820/821 chipset. And yes, the Pixel has a better camera -- but that was really software. And ZTE Axon 7 looked much better than the Pixel XL with its huge bezels.

I joked at the time Google should buy 1 million ZTE Axon 7, slap on their software, mark up the price and release THAT as the Pixel XL!

LG should have done the same. ;)

LG has messed up the past few years -- ever since the G3, in trying to split features between two different phones. Neither one was what the public really wanted, and sales shows that. Internally, it's clear LG favored the V series over the G series. Plus, their poor quality control for a couple of years didn't help either.

That's the narrative that explains the mess, when they are a huge corporation the size of Samsung, located in the same country.

I have three LG V30/30+ -- so I think they have a winner in this phone. But they are still paying in public reputation.

The last LG phone I recommended to people before the V30 was the LG G3.