yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] eaglesteve:
To do that in TCPMP, go to Option>Setting>page selection>hotkeys, then lick on the assign button next to the Screen on/off (second last item), then press any button you choose to effect the screen on/off (in my case, I choose the action key of the joystick). I also use the similar proedure to assign joystick up to Volume Up Fine, joystick down to Volumn down fine, Joystick right to Next, Joystick left to Previous. I assign the browser button to play, and OK key to Playlist. It works very well for me, as I just keep the device in my pouch without having to take it out.

If you're using Pocket Music, go to Option>Key Mapping Options, then select display on/off and press a desired key (again, I use action key). Same goes for the other function.

If you're using Window Media Player, on the Now Playing Screen, choose Menu>Options, then choose the Buttons Tab. Touch the "Toggle Screen" items, then press Action Key (or whatever key you choose to assign to triggering the blanking of screen).

Most decent music players should have this function.

However, be aware that some of them do not like you turning on the display of your owner information and password. So, instead of blanking off, they display the owner information. I just simply deactivate the owner info display.

Hope this helps
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] greatestkelvin:
Get the X7501

The current model is way better than the new model X7510. When you think of it, why do u need such a big harddisk? The joystick, ok buttons are very useful. In addition, this model will only be launched in Europe because nobody really wants it in the rest of the world.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] eaglesteve:
How do you guys move from a mail to the next mail? Do you simply press the joystick or do you close that mail and go back to the inbox to pick the next mail?

With 7500/7501, you could quickly go to the next mail by pressing the joystick. With X7510, such function does'nt exist, or does it? Does anyone know of a faster way to go to the next mail?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] NakiXIII:
Use its new keyboard...the Up / Down Key...Lol
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] eaglesteve:
May be I should have clarified that the question is directed for those who do not want the keyboard.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] leoni1980:
In the end it's all about your budget and requirements - if you're not bothered about the hardware buttons the 7510 certainly LOOKS nicer, and perhaps the camera works better - we shall see.

On a separate topic, anyone willing to part with £650 for a phone that's over a year old is literally an idiot. The phone is good with tweaks, but should be perfect out of the box for that sort of money.

Expansys seem tohave their heads in the clouds and if you shop about you can get an x7500 for loads less than what they ask.

even on Ebay, check out this and this

Even if Expansys have a cracking customer service I'd still rather save that £250 quid and spend it elsewhere
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] weaselcossey:
I think money is gonna end up being the deal breaker for me. I just missed a steal on this liquidation site. My wife buys and resells clothes from them. So i decided to check out there electronics. It was 2 x7501s. My bid was $1250, and when the auction ended there was bad weather and power outages!! I got beat by $50 because my power was out!!:eek: At that price i could have sold my axim and the second x7501, and got mine basically free.

I think its some kind of sign from god or something. Oh well, i'll find a good deal eventually. I've got to have one of these things.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] weaselcossey:
Just bought my x7501 today. I still had to pay nearly $700 after shipping, but I just couldn't wait any longer. I think it was a pretty good buy considering its completely new with full manufacturer's warranty.

Anyone have suggestions for "necessity" software? Does the x7501 come with some version of Opera installed? I am particularly interested in the htc Home shown on the x7510. Is this program available for x7501, or at least in the works? Any feedback is appreciated.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] bigtsr:
The 7501 has Opera 8.65 installed as well as Internet Explorer.

I have

TotalCommander-free

Adobe Flash Lite-free

btCrawler-free

HTC Data Backup-free

Google Maps-free

GPSinfo-free

Opera Mini-free

NetFront Browser v3.5-free trial

NoniGPSPlot-free

PeekPocket wifi sniffer-free

PHM RegEdit-free

Pocket RAR-free

PocketScreen capture-free

Radar Watch 2-free

RealVGA-free

Skype-free

TCPMP all codecs-free

Tweaks2k2.NET Lite-free

UI Tweaker-free

WMMiniGPS-free

XnView Pocket-free

WiFiFoFum2 sniffer-free

WiFiKnife-free

Pocket Streets-paid

MemMaid-paid

VisualGPSce-free

all of the above work on my stock 7501
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] weaselcossey:
Nice looking list. Anyone have additions, or comments?

Why 2 WiFi sniffers?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] eaglesteve:
Currently, my top picks are:

- wktask (for task switching and a battary indicator)

- realVGA (must have)

- Tengo 2.1 keyboard or Tengo Thumb, depending on whether you're a stylus or thumb man.

- Softmaker office 2008 (gives you desktop functionalities in word processing, spreadsheet, and presentation)

- SPB phone suite (a today plugin that allows you to change phone profile, a comm manager, photo dialing, mail/text/phone notification)

- SPB time (a today plugin that gives you a big digital clock, time for multiple city, alarm clock, stop watches, etc)

- SPB insight: for news

- SBSH Pocke Weather (puts a multiday weather forecast on your today screen. I like this particular weather program because it has weather stations of not just major cities but also lesser known towns. Also, it takes up very little space on the today screen)

- iLauncher (program launcher that provides SAFE mode reset. Get you out of trouble at times when the option would otherwise be a hard reset)

- Total Commander - file manager

- Cash Organiser premium (expense tracking, budgeting)

- HiCalc (multifunction calculator)

- Netfront 3.5 and Opera 9.5405 are the two top browsers at the moment.

- Resco Photo Viewer

- TCPMP with all the codecs

- iGO is the favourite GPS software (it is the only one in the market with overspeeding warning)

- Agendus Professional is my favourite software for calendar functions.

- VITO SMS-Chat is what I use for sending SMS

- VITO Contacts is my replacement for contact applications.

- For VOIP, I use SJPhone.

- I use WMWifiRouter to make my Athena a wifi access point for my notebook occassionally.

- GoogleMap is a cool GPS application that is free and gives you basic navigational capabilities.

- I use IM+ for internet chat.

- I use Sprite backup 6.1 and schedule my backup everyday with it.

- SKtools is a useful tools for tweaking your device.

- My favourite dictionary is Lexisgoo english dictionary

- For investement and trading, try MetaTrader 4 mobile

- Resco Keyboard works in all three DPI and does not invade your screen too much.

- SIP change is a utility that allows you to change your input method easily

- WM5torage lets you copy files high speed to and from your PC.

- SJPhone is still the best VOIP client that I know of at the moment.

These are not all, but the main ones that you might want to take a look.

Cheers.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] bigtsr:
2 wifi sniffers???

Well each one has a little different approach with regard to info,

having said that I most often use WiFiFoFum in conjuction with

the gps to get as close to hotspot as physically possible.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] weaselcossey:
Nearly all of these look like great programs for me.

Thanks for all the help. I should get my x7501 tomorrow, but I've downloaded the installers that I didn't already have. Thanks again.

Anyone else have suggestions?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] weaselcossey:
eaglesteve,

I don't know if my download of tcpmp includes all codecs. I downloaded from here:

http://tcpmp.en.softonic.com/pocket

Could you, or anyone else, tell me if i need more downloads, and where to do so?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] raskell:
Back to the origional question, It may soon make sense to buy the X7501 and upconvert it to the 7510 ROM. It won't be long until that breaks, according to somewhat reliable sources.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] weaselcossey:
The x7510 ROM wuld be nice. I've already got my x7501 i'm on it now. I think i would rather have the x7510 because i almost always use the keyboard, and the 16 GB flash. I haven't installed much software yet, as I would like to upgrade the ROM. Perhaps you could answer my question in the upgrading section regarding the .net framework.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] raskell:
Read OliPro's thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=315831

A must if you have X7501 is SPL version 3.0. To get there you need to be up to date with compact .net framework version 2. I believe that the new ROM coming will include 3.5 but there haven't been any deffinitive reviews showint it to be superior, just newer.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] raskell:
Interesting though, I NEVER use my keyboard and keep most of my stuff on a 4GB SDHC mini. (soon to upgrade to 16GB SDHC) I personally have never had an issue with the uDrive. I have the U1000 dopod which is most like the X7500 Advantage.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] weaselcossey:
The only things that concerned me about the microdrive was its shock resistance and effect on battery life. After using the device, these don't seem like issues at all. Hope it stays that way.

Concerning the keyboard, i guess thats just a personal preference. Using the keyboard, I can enter text pretty fast in my opinion. Seems like there are several people that don't use the keyboard at all. It just seemed natural to me. The only thing that really annoys me about this keyboard, is the lack of a dedicated row of number keys. As eaglesteve mentioned, the rows aren't aligned properly and the number pad is upside down. Since you don't actually 'type', as on a desktop, this doesn't really bother me. Just a preference.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] weaselcossey:
I read somewhere, i think the trinity forum, somethng about 3.5 being faster. What exactly was faster, i'm not sure.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] eaglesteve:
You can get the video flash bundle from here:

http://discussion.treocentral.com/showpost.php?p=1319431&postcount=1
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] weaselcossey:
Thank you.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] marthynovak:
Can I use a keyboard from X7510 on X7501?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] mw22:
Hi

my 2 cents

The HDD inside the 750x is actually irrelevant to me as I never use it.

I create all my programs installed on an 4 GB SDHC card and copy the "shortcuts" to the startment folders.

Thus all programs and data point to SDHC card and I have +- 114MB free ram of the 128

Works like a dream battery lasts up to 3 / 4 days and I use it mainly for internet and databases and dataviz office documents ??

So I am not sure what the power consumption is between using an SDHC card vs SSD drives ???

But by not using the internal hard drive I get a massive saving.

I would like a 32GB SDHC card abd the removal of the internal HDD in order not to consume any power at all

THAT WOULD SUIT ME DOWN TO THE GROUND.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] weaselcossey:
Seems like a 4 or 8 GB micro sd with adapter is a better solution than the microdrive. I still want the new keyboard, as I actually use it quite often, but I use the joystick and ok buttons too. I just dn't understand why they would just drop thse buttons, and for what? A cleaner look. another issue that really surprised me (i don't think its been brought up in this thread) the x7510 is still built on the old pxa270 framework. Overall i'm happy with my x7501, but still want to get my hands on that new keyboard.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] mw22:
You are right

I have a 4GB SDHC works a hell of a lot better

I am interested in finding out how to remove the internal hard drive and would this affect the running of my device in any way / or maybe just disconnect it from the motherboard and leave it in its bay inside the device

Any ideas ???
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] mw22:
Any ideas on how to disable or unplug internal hard drive and will this cause any issues in my fone ???
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Baenwort:
Go check out:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=357502&page=15

it has detailed pictures of how to get the HD out. We're working towards getting a SSD to replace the HD but I just received my Athena today so it'll be a week or two before I get the SSD and have the time to operate on my Athena.

If you're able to go into yours sooner please take pictures and post them along with how it works out just removing the drive. I do believe earlier in the thread someone removed their's and had no issues. We haven't had anyone replace theirs yet.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] mw22:
Hi Baenwort

If i just disconnect the HD does anyone know how much of a power saving there would be with it disconnected ????
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] mw22:
Any ideas anyone on how much power saving there would be ???
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] darkjedi:
Why did you bump your OWN post after 20 minutes??? Sigh.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Carty:
Application execution time! When 3.5 is installed, applications designed to work with Compact Framework start much faster and even perform a little faster..

Cant wait for the fully loaded AP 4...

And why do you guys think about removing the drive when there are posibilities to turn it off from OS? (Its possible but dont know how, not too hard to figure out for the cookers)..
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Baenwort:
No one has measured it yet but it is theorized that it would be ~10% depending on your usage of the micro-drive.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] eaglesteve:
Not sure. 7510 has smaller capacity battery, but SSD. The overall effect is anyone's guess at this moment.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] bluesbrothers93:
Upgrading Microdrive

i see that you speak about 16 and 32 Go SSD to upgrade the 8GOmicrodrive of the X7500 or X7501

i'am close to test replacement with 16GO

i don't find bigger than 16 Go compatible SSD ?

can you give some informations about it !
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] patratel:
The battery is the same.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] eaglesteve:
Now it is. In the earlier spec it was smaller.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] greatestkelvin:
why

the HSDPA download speed is only 1.8 mb per second VS HTC Touch Diamond 7.2mb per second. I don't understand why they came out with an improved version with a speed that is outdated. I use it to surf the web quite often. It looks likes HTC is not really keen to promote this X7510 as its arleady an old model
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] eaglesteve:
:D

I agree.

In general, I'm extremely dissapointed with 7510 as a replacement model. So, I'm still waiting for a better 7500 upgrade. Hopefully, it will have:

- Television

- FM radio

- Thinner, lighter and smaller, but retaining the 5" screen

- 7.2mbps speed

- Support all bands

- Better camera and video recorder

- A-GPS

- Longer battery life

- Smoother videos

- More memory

- Faster processor

- No keyboard or still detachable keyboard please (for me at least):D

- SSD

- Rounder finishing

- Vibration and embedded earpiece.

- More user configurable buttons than X7500/7501.

THAT will make me upgrade.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] jonryan:
Hi

I just got my X7510 in Ireland and i love it. I no longer use my laptop! Dont get me wrong, the 7510 will not replace it it just means i no longer need to carry it with me everywhere I go. The battery life is good with the machine lasting for a couple of day on a full charge. I used it alot for word processing and i still managed a full day from it. The wireless experience is great. Either on 3g or wifi, i have ot say it is great.

the lack or removal of buttons is not a problem either as the machine has a really good touch sensitive screen, unlike say the Diamond. I have to say it is up there on the screen on the iPhone which is great. The keyboard is good for typing. Takes a bit of getting used to but, once you take into consideration the size you have to say the machine is great.

I dont think the 7510 will be available in the US due to the Qualcomm issues associated with the chipset in the machine. But an import would be worth while.

Best of luck with your potential purchase.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] leoni1980:
what do you mean by "a really good touch sensitive screen unlike the diamond"?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] weaselcossey:
I agree 100%. But you forgot to add fog lights and a machine gun turret. :D

On a more serious note,

-Backlit detachable keyboard for those of us who use it once in awhile

I couldn't think of any other additions.....near perfect browser maybe? :) Don't hold your breath for any of that though. We still have a marvelous device; I don't remember how I survived with my old axim.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] PBL1:
Naa that will be infrared night vision and Gatling laser high energy weapon:)

doable and in other pones right now

dedicate 3d video chipset ( like the nvidia perhaps?)

Transflective LCD

Multi touch touch panel (like Iphone)

Sirfstar and FM radio for the road warnings

SSD obviously

TV chip like the Gigabyte GSmart t600, http://www.itechnews.net/?p=4598&akst_action=share-this ( it that is any good as in paper, means TV anywhere in the world)

a camera like in the N96 but with real strobe flash and the LED for videos

many more doable thinks... but yea, how hard can be slap a plastic fiberoptic matrix, under the layer of keys in the keyboard with an LED powered by a watch battery so it does not require power from main unit.

In the other hand I cannot wait that long for a replacement phone anymore, my Athena expired of a gruelling dead yesterday :(at least it died almost instantly and didn't suffer, RIP.

so I looking for a replacement and cannot see anything better out there, I don't know,I could pop in to the shop and buy an Iphone 3d for the shake of immediacy but that device does not convince me at all, how sad, a shiny brand new device and I'm not looking forward to it at all, and no way I pay full price for a 7510, so its a second hand Athena, a gap device until something better goes out or the apple toy?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] AllGamer:
you know the multi touch thing is just software controlled eh?

even our current phones can do that, with the right software.

as for the 3D video, the ATI chip can do that, it just the driver issue they need to get working, and games / applications that can actually take advantage of a 3D chip

you realize most software for PPC now in days doesn't even support a 3D accelerator even if you have it.

anyways, as it is now in days, i'm happy with my X7510 which can do all the stuff i was able to do in my Palm Treo, and then some

the only thing that i miss is the Vibrate feature, and the Backlit keyboard.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] PBL1:
No I don't, multi touch displays are a combination of hardware and software just as single touch displays,it doesn't mean that you can convert a single touch device into a multi touch one by installing a cab, event if you could my grunt is that when HTC did the so called "upgrade" from 7500 to 7510 why theydid not implemented it,

also why not transflective LCD , when many devices already use that technology and makes such a difference in daylight viewing.

also why not response touch screen (in the Samsung omnia they call it haptics if I am not mistaken, and whatever in the diamond..........etc)

The ATI 3d gpu is either rubbish and/or not properly implemented, there are plenty of devices that work beautifully out of the box, and my point is not about games (only), it should be able to draw our VGA screens quickly efficiently and beautifully, the multimedia capabilities of the Athena should be top of the line with such powerfull CPU and added GPU, but is only thanks to teams in this forums (and others) that we can see our films with a decent quality, other "lesser and older" devices have that capabilities out of the box.HTC knew all this, so why they did not implement a better solution in the 7510?

there more many issues that could have been resolved from the upgrade from the 7500 to the 7510 as in Sirfstar III GPS, better camera ( I'm Ok with daylight photos taken outside, photos inside and/or with less light are rubbish) cheap phones can do better than that.

I could add more to this list but I discussed these topics before enough.

My point is that HTC upgrade from the 7500 to the 7510 after A YEAR, didn't answer any of the known issues.

To my it fells more a downgrade that an upgrade because they removed hardware buttons that I find useful

they only added the 16gb SSDs but memory can be increased using memory card and added a somewhat nicer interface stolen from the Sift,
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] cmonex:
well, the diamond's touch screen has crappy sensivity, I know, I have one. the screen is usable but after using it and returning back to athena or anything else I feel that other device has some great ultrasensitive screen!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] cmonex:
keyboard, please, please. I don't mind if it is detachable but it is a must. :)

faster processor, heh, it already has the fastest on market = Xscale 624Mhz.

qualcomm is rubbish compared to xscale.

ok, maybe the marvell (which is xscale in reality) PXA3xx series improved on it?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] leoni1980:
with all due respect I have to disagree. I've owned an ameo and a vario 3 in the last 12 months and the diamond is no worse than the ameo in terms of the touchscreen, and more responsive than the vario 3. and if the qualcomm processor on the ameo is so great why does the diamond ace it out in terms of video performance benchmarks.

I'd suggest also that if a keyboard is such a must to you that your acquisition of the diamond was a poor choice indeed.

I wonder if I stand alone in my opinion that the diamond touchscreen is very good.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] eaglesteve:
I think the RAM access speed of Athena is quite slow. HTC blue angel with lower clock speed does far better.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Tadeusz:
What about soft

I also think that X7510 is a downgrade. The only better is this SSD instead of MicroDrive, but all others....

Also the ROM. It was suposed to be an upgrade to WM6.1. But in Original WM6.0 deliverd by HTC for X7500 GPS Phot was working well. In WM6.1 of X7510 it is not. VueFlo, also is not existent in X7510. TouchFlo ? FTouchSL is much better. Opera? Old pre beta version, would be better if they would ommit it and we could install our choice of browser.

I hope OliNex group will make proper SPL solution for x7510 and we start prepare our own roms for x7510 at last.

CMONEX, please, take a look at this new downgarded toy. We can do it much better just as it was done with X7500.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] cmonex:
we will take a look... :) we need a subforum first though: I'll try to talk to some mods.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] cmonex:
well everyone I asked so far said the diamond had a less responsive screen (mind you I didn't ask a thousand people so maybe not a representative result ;) ).

my acquisition of the diamond was such: I made an SSPL for it, so they donated a diamond to OliNex to do more hacks. in future do research before trying to tell anyone what they did wrong. :P

I'm really drooling for a raphael though. :D

oh, a small correction: the athena is not qualcomm (only its radio is. the applications cpu is xscale). the diamond has an improved version of the qualcomm so it is not bad at all now, but before the diamond, qualcomm devices really really sucked. as for diamond's video performance, I haven't tried that. but I've heard complaints about it. so who knows what the truth is... subjective? :D