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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Once the iPhone gets 3G, GPS, and maybe a better keyboard, what reason is there to use an HTC or other smartphones besides lower price?

OSX mobile is only going to get better; it has solid, mature foundations - unlike Linux or PalmOS; and hopefully it opens itself to 3rd party apps properly. Who doesn't want a device that's a company's near #1 priority?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Malik05:
there are only 2 things holding me back from actually getting the iPhone....

1.GPS - iPhone needs needs NEEDS GPS...with the processing power it has, it can support a kick ass GPS software.

2. Copy/Paste - yes, it bugs the **** out of me. I copy paste numbers to SMS on my Kaiser all the time...how can a $600 phone not have Copy/Paste, its so ****ing crazy...i can go on and on about this...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bluchrome:
I would have one tomorrow if they included the following features:

1. GPS - fully functional, not some data intensive half-ass'd attempt.

2. 3G/HSDPA - Edge is just not fast enough!

3. MS Exchange server functionality

4. Media Messaging

5. A properly functioning touch screen keyboard
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gthing:
When the iPhone rumors were abounding, I would have definitely taken it over any other phone. When the reality hit, I wasn't all that excited anymore.

The fact is that the iPhone is the future of phones. EVERYONE is playing catch up trying to match its slick interface. Can Windows Mobile even hold a candle to the iPhone when it comes to usability? Hell no. WM is slow, often annoying, doesn't even allow you to close things, and has a lot more problems on the usability side (not to say it sucks, it just had problems - ya know?)

Things are looking better and better every day. Application development seems to have taken off and the iPhone looks more and more attractive all the time. But you have to realize it is in its infancy. Windows Mobile took a little while to get going - people didn't have the choice of 10,000 apps, cooked ROMS, etc. all on day one. So it is with the iPhone.

In my mind, the iPhone is like a baby superhero and Windows Mobile is like the adult average guy. Like, it's obvious who is going to win in the end. Microsoft will need to make some major changes to Windows Mobile if they want to compete in the future marketplace. Otherwise people will start taking them about as seriously as Palm OS.

So - to answer the question: Would i choose an iPhone today? No.

Would I buy an iPhone in six month (or when it has xyz features?): Probably, but we'll have to see what else (Windows Mobile, Android, etc.) has come along by then.

I won't go on record like others in this thread and say "never" because ... well, that's really stupid.

"Why, I'll never buy anything other than a Ma' Bell rotary telephone!"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gogol:
I will buy iPhone for sure .... only if it runs Windows Mobile :)

But .... When?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jasperrr:
This point is completely BS in my eyes.

The last few weeks i've been using my nephew's iPhone a couple of times and the first time you're using it, it does is horrible to type.

But when you're used to it, it's actually very easy.

I hope someone recreated their on-screen keyboard for windows mobile :)

I've been doubting for a while if I should get a TyTN II or an iPhone and I decided to get a TyTN becuase I've heard lots of good things about HTC.

If I knew about the video driver problem before, I would have definitely gone for an iPhone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MACkjam:
Apple iPhones are for kids and sissies to pose with. (Also popular with gays)

A real man owns an HTC TyTN II.

HTC is for the real businessman (or woman) too. I must admit that women have four thumbs when using ppc's!!!

video driver shmideo driver!!!

I am still to decipher what the storm in a teacup is all about????

Nothing wrong with my video playback!

My only gripe with the TyTN II is the battery.

Everything else works like a charm.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jasperrr:
I'm not gay myself but that does sound pretty racist.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bapssystupr3m3:
but thats just like saying...once the tytn II gets this and that...ie. video drivers and such...then why NOT will we use the tytn II
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Michaelr219:
Kaiser eats the iphone with my new theme...

very iphone-ish... yet, capitalizes on the strengths of winmo.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lmbranco:
A lot of fanboy type comments here.

I mean.. i have a Kaiser and i love Apple products, but the iPhone has failed to make me interested in buying it. It's just missing too much to be an alternative to the kaiser.

Apple is well known for its inovation and whatever we might say, iPhone IS a great product, that might not be enough for us, the Power Users, but enough for the day 2 day usage that normal people do of it.

Maybe the next generation will be more in accordance with what we would like to have, but until then i can bet that many of you would not mind to have one to play with, even if it runs in the slow EDGE network, if it has no GPS, and so on.

Let's face it, the Kaiser and the iPhone are both great products, each one with its flaws, the Kaiser has the problem of being heavy, plagged by a nasty support from HTC that even made the mistake of not putting in a decent hardware driver for the video capabilities. Great machines for great people. Let's talk about this issue again in 2 years when both producers have come up with new stuff and then we will laugh at our comments.

Luís

Proud owner and user of a Kaiser and a Macbook.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] niftydl:
I own both the ATT Tilt and recently the iPhone 8 Gig. So far there are obviously different markets being targeted, but here are some of my observations in comparison to my beloved Tilt. Please remember, they are NOT the same breed of device, but I think its nice to have a comparison anyway.

iPhone Pros:

- Its fast

- A real, responsive, slick browser. Without multi-touch, I don't see how WinMo will make it this easy to browse. Seeing how my primary use for the phone is e-mail and web, this is a killer feature. (Granted slow without 3G - fantastic on Wifi)

- Smooth interface in general

- Plenty of flash storage for most users.

- Direct to consumer firmware updates (unlike a certain company we know).

iPhone Cons:

- Price - holy crap are they serious. I got mine second hand for slightly over $200, its the only reason I am playing with it. You can get iPhone in bulk directly from china for about $250/unit for a pack of 5, and the price keeps dropping as you go up in volume. So we know Apple is just smoking when they think anyone with a brain is willing to poney up double the price of the device.

- No bluetooth stereo (gg Apple - so much for the ultimate iPod)?

- It thinks for you. So far the whole GUI is designed to guide you in certain direction. This is of course great for the majority of users who could care less about trying to learn the device and just want to use it - annoying for everyone who wants complete control over their gadgets.

- No 3g, GPS, expandable storage (these everyone is aware of). I believe the GPS will become a bluetooth/plugin addon once the software is ready. I also think that once Apple gets the SDK over with, you'll have other wireless storage options available.

- No corporate enabled sync (yet - this will happen soon enough)

- Touchy touchy only. You absolutely have to use your fingers, unless what you are using is electrically conductive. Haven't messed with it much, but its annoying having to take your gloves off to use the phone.

- No copy/pase, this is just not acceptable for anything that wants to call itself smart*.

- F#@!!! iTunes. Why the HELL can't I drag a drop any mp3s I want to the phone. This is Apple being Apple if nothing else. I have to use third party hacks to sync multiple iTune libraries. The fact that I have to use iTunes at all is just annoying... but how else would they try to milk for money right?

At the end of the day, I love and have the iPhone at the same time. If it wasn't for iTunes, I would probably mostly love the thing.

Sigh... Hoping for more out of my Tilt (haul ass HTC).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] etnies:
The Iphone is Dingo.

End Thread=True.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] redsrule2500:
No way. Tilt > iPhone for tech savvy people.

For noobs, go with the iPhone due to simplicity...but it's extremely limited.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] raymondu999:
Come on guys... this is starting to sound like a fanboy ramble. Granted, WM has its problems. Granted, the iPhone lacks the quality of PIM that WM can provide. But each device holds its own in each of their fields. It's like... comparing apples to oranges(no pun intended). It's like comparing a sports car to a Mac truck. You need to pull a load, get the truck. You want to go zoom-zoom around town, take the sports coupe. But if you want to take a load, don't take the coupe. and if you want to go zoom-zoom, don't get the truck. Different needs to suit different target markets.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wsmith79:
whats the biggest complaint we all have with the iphone? i would guess its the inability to allow 3rd party apps on it right? oh that and 3g.

BUT for the 3g part, only people who live in heavy metropolitan areas get 3g. i live in a town with 100k people and i dont get 3g so it doesnt have meaning for me... edge on my tilt is pretty decent and is good enough to run my google gps in real time so whats the problem with edge?

AND.......... when the iphone sdk hits and its 3g compatible its game over for all other phones invovled. It owns with its interface, i keep imagining

iphone+3g+3rd party apps= wholy smokes!!! me likey

i'll take all that without the slide out qwerty. HTC and their crap phones can keep it

FACE IT, windows mobile will never have the interface apple can offer because microsoft doesnt give a ****, we'll have to constantly rely on 3rd party apps to attempt to make our windows mobile devices COOLER to interact with
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] grandpareza:
until the iphone has gps, 3g, qwerty, a strong fan base (xda), wm6 or 7 or 8, then ther is no way im getting or thinking about the iphone. great, its advertised on tv, but just because it has trendy commercials and just because every kid wants to have one, doesnt mean that its good. id rather have a crappy driver kaiser than the feature less iphone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bapssystupr3m3:
well u cant really compare the two...u could really i guess based on specs...but both offer different things so u cant really compare as to which one is better...its all down to personal preferences...if u like what iphone has to offer and it suits u..obviously u would say the iphone is better and vice versa...which in reality is true...for me at least...since i prefer what the tytnII has to offer and it suits me more than the iphone...i like my tytnII more than my friends iphone
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] swiftgs:
Lol, I like the way how you look at this.... but i can only agree!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lesevich:
At a business convention on Technology Strategy that took place in London last year, a Nokia strategist asked our round what we thought the next mobile phone killer app/differentiator would be. There were some very creative answers, from GPS features through to pico projectors, all of which were greeted with utmost enthusiasm by the Nokia representative. However, when the question came around to me, I said that I believed the REAL killer app will be GETTING THE BASICS RIGHT (again), i.e. the telephony function and UI, which had fallen victim to the whole convergence trend that has been the key driver of NPD for the past 5 years. He had absolutely no sympathy for my rationale.

Well, looking at the iPhone and its success so far, I think the point becomes evident. None of the (legitimate) criticism (no GPS, 3G, hardware keyboard, fixed battery, storage not expandable, no 3rd party apps, ridiculous pricing...) has stopped "the people" from buying 5 million units in 9 months... WHY?

BECAUSE IT IS SENSATIONALLY EASY TO USE!

The device is fast, responsive, easy to navigate, and pretty. Pros that I find difficult to attribute to my Kaiser (Despite being powered by a custom ROM).

For example, I run Pocket Informant 8 as my PIM (on Dutty's v3), and the other day, when I tried to record a new appointment, it took me almost 3 minutes (!) to pull it off. This lag also appears in use with standard software, e.g. The time it takes to create and save a new contact sometimes can be flat out embarrassing. (on the iPhone this is easy as 1,2,3.)

I love my Kaiser and I acknowledge that it can do so much more than the iPhone. But I also acknowledge that the iPhone does the basics (and the entertainment part) so much better. I think anyone who denies this is being at least a bit bias.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that both are great devices with different strengths and weaknesses. They aim at two totally different segments, and will be appreciated differently by people with different needs.

For me as power user, the hardware & expandability limitations of the iPhone are "flaws" hard to overlook. Especially the lacking exchange-support and hardware keyboard are real dealbreakers as those are features that are absolutely essential to me (I get a lot of emails on the go ;-)). Hence I opt'd for the Kaiser, and to the largest part am very happy with it.

For people who primarily demand other things from their phone (i.e. simplicity, entertainment) the iPhone cleary is the (VERY!) best fit.

Conclusion: ahhhhhhhhh....This comment is wayyyyy to long already ;-)

H.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] petervbeck:
lesevich - totally agree with you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wsmith79:
i agree as well!

i think we can all say what we really want from the iphone is the interface on our kaisers? i dont own an iphone, i own a tilt. i would be happy as piss if my tilts ui was apples and thats that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sala_man_der:
I have both, (I've used HTC phones since my SX56...using the Tilt with Dutty's rom now), and I just never use the iPhone. I picked up the iPhone cheap used to play around with. It's really fun to use...you gotta love the interface. But other than going out at night or something, it just doesn't do what I need from a device.

In the morning I have a Spanish class. On the Kaiser I have a great Spanish-English dictionary...the slovo-ed one. iPhone doesn't do that, so I can't use it for class.

At work I primarily use my phone for text and picture messaging. Text is way easier with a keyboard, and picture messaging....well we all know the iPhone doesn't do it.

After work I go to the gym. I use my phone at the gym to listen to music, watch MobiTV, and listen to the Comedy channel from XM. iPhone doesn't do any of those. Well, it does music, but I use a pair of S9's. Once you go no cord, you don't want to go back, especially at the gym where I once got a cord wrapped around an eliptical machine...and it sucked my phone in and crunched. And the other two things the iPhone won't do at all.

On my days off it's the same thing. I travel, so the GPS is nice. And I usually use my S9's when I go snowboarding, so once again the lack of A2DP kills the iPhone for me.

Basically, when I carry the iPhone I always find a need for something that the iPhone can't do.

Only thing I like better about the iPhone, other than the ease of use, is the browser. Web really is easy to use on the iPhone compared to the WM browsers. But for the way I use my phone it never makes up the difference for all the things it can't do.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Let's not forget that many of us are flashers anonymous and love to tweak and redo our phone for... for the sake of tweaking and redoing our phone. Once we're done tweaking, we hard-reset and reflash again. Rinse and repeat.

It's a whole different kind of pleasure, and let's admit - HTC amd Microsoft were very, very permisive and good in a sense of letting people mess with their soft/hardware.

IMHO, If you get my analogy, Apple's creationg like iPhone and MAC OS is like a junior school.. it's fun, it's beautiful and filled with joy. But one day you graduate from it to a higher education and grown-up life. It's not as beautiful, funky and easy-going, but non the less we wouldn't ever come back to junior school. We have a lot more opportunity and flexibility.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ronfin44:
So you want an iPhone that is slow and needs to be soft reset? hahaha

Anyway, I own both the Tilt and iphone and switch between the two every day. I love the biased comments above by people who are ONLY Tilt users. Oh sure, you "played" with a friends and know all about it. :rolleyes:

Here's an honest assessment of using both.

Size: iPhone beats the Tilt.

Battery Life: iPhone destroys the Tilt. There's no comparing them, and to those that wanna cry about the battery not being accessible, in ALL the phones I've ever had, I have NEVER had a battery issue with any phone. I'm going back to the original Motorola Flip I had in 1992. Stop crying about the battery. That's the dumbest argument I've heard. If you mod your phone, you run the risk of voiding the warranty. The End.

GPS: Obviously the Tilt, and the main reason I use it.

Call Filter: iPhone doesn;t have one yet, WM6 has many to choose from. Again, the 2nd main reason I use the Tilt.

Browser: NOTHING the Tilt can use can even come close to how nice Safari is. Nothing, and I've tried all of them. Browsing the web on a Tilt sucks donkey ****. I'd rather use a Commodore 64.

3G vs Edge: I don't use either phone for downloading apps or songs, and if you use a phone to browse the web all day then that just boggles my mind. Why? Its a phone, not a laptop. Edge isn't that much slower. Both phones have WiFi, and when I'm using Edge I'm only on the web a little and the speed is great. I can stream live rss feeds (podcasts) with NO interruptions on the iPhone so its awesome. Video is sweet too. 3G? Yippee! Less battery life on my Tilt. :rolleyes:

Camera: Tilt has the best camera I've ever used on any phone. Video sucks of course, but the pics are really good.

MMS: I can send MMS on the iPhone, and not emailing pics either. I mean real MMS using SwirlyMMS which is a 3rd party app still being developed. Currently we can't receive pics, but I can send them. It's 50/50 right now. Tilt MMS is awesome

Threaded SMS: iPhone over everything for WM6 right now. Not as nice as the iPhone.

SUMMARY: If the iPhone had GPS, Video Record, and MMS, it would beat the Tilt. I don't need a QWERTY after using the iPhone for a period of time. 3G on an iPhone? Whatever. I love my incredible battery life right now. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omaralt:
i just recently bought a iphone (got it cheap), used it for a few days, then gave it to my wife. the conclusion i came to, is that the iphone is NOT marketed towards ppl like us. its marketed towards ppl who have "dumb" phones (razrs, samsung flips, etc). how many ppl use gps, microsoft exchange, office, etc on their phones? 5% of cell phone users? and honestly to get my tilt working halfway decent, i needed to flash different roms, add 3rd party apps, etc just to get it working right. how many ppl know/care about doing this? Not many. Thats why when ppl ask me which phone they should get, i tell most ppl to get the iphone, since it works great straight outta the box. one of my friends got a tilt, and hes the typical user, doesnt know much about it, and hasnt really done anything to it, and it sucks! a bunch of at&t bloatware, slow as hell, etc....

so unless you like flashing, modding, etc, the iphone is a much better choice in my opinion...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ronfin44:
I am. I like to mod and hack every device I get, so the iphone I have is VERY personalized to my taste. My own icons I made etc... No need to change anything OS related, if you could even, cause the iPhones OS is sweet. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] greenbrd:
So since the iPhone doesn't have GPS, Video Record or MMS, are you saying it doesn't beat the Tilt?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] neva dinova:
the fact that the iphones battery is not accessible is bothersome if you want to get a larger battery or if your battery goes bad, all the phones ive owned have never had a battery go bad but a lot of other apple products did after a year or so.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Haxxxess:
If anyone wants to read this for fun:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] osunick:
I get to play with iphones all the time. If I had a friend who wanted a hassle free phone that does 90% of what 90% of smartphone users want without having to install any (sometimes flaky) apps and does what it does very well, I'd tell them to get an iPhone.

On the other hand I like tinkering, and Apple's closed approach doesn't cut it for me. Here's an example. When I drive to work in the morning, I put my phone in a cradle that only provides power. My Pioneer head unit provides automatic A2DP and Hands Free Bluetooth connections to the phone. Using only voice commands I can start up media player and cue up Marketplace, which I downloaded via NewsBreak on my phone. If I get a call, I can push a button on my stereo and answer it with full echo cancellation. The voice recognition works via a microphone I put in my headliner so it all works while I'm driving, even if I decide to put the phone in my pocket. If I'm going someplace new I can say "Start TomTom" and nav my way there. All my music is via Yahoo! Music so for the price of one album a month I have access to the entire Yahoo! catalog. When Yahoo! Music stops I'll switch to Rhapsody.

I'm sure I've spent 100X as much time tinkering with my phone than my friends have with their iPhones, but I've also had 100X more fun with it. I also know that my iPhone friends would HATE owning a Tilt, so different strokes for different folks is the operative saying. There is no one phone that is the best for all people.

-n.

PS- I am not anti Apple by any means, I'm typing this right now on my MacBook Pro.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MACkjam:
jasperr....

For your info, RACISM refers to race, ie. black, caucasian, asian etc etc etc...ID10T

Where did you go to school? or did you,........hmmmmmm?

To call someone who is gay, gay, well, that is just stating a fact.

Typical over-sensitive European aint ya?

CHILL BRO!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] AllTheWay:
I guess you haven't used the newest version of Netfront 3.5

WM6.1 has threaded SMS
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jaingram:
I have noticed that AT&T increased the speed (Or removed limiters) of their EDGE network at the release of the IPhone. Their edge network was not a fast as it is today.

Also, see how long your tilt battery life is with 3G disabled. I have easily trippled my battery life on the Tilt just by disabling 3G
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] killer_metallica:
Multi Touch Screen

Internal Sensor

Screen Resolution

Add this the TyTn II , you'll get the best device ever
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ronfin44:
NetFront isn't as nice as Safari. You can't slide the page up, back, in and out as easy as you can with the iPhone. That's not the browsers fault. The iphones touch is just nicer no matter what you try to replicate on the Kaiser.

Yes, WM6 and WM6.1 have threaded sms, it's just not as visually pleasing as the iphones. Thats all. MHO.