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[General Topics] Rafael K:
I am a wanderer...

Well, I am much like cjarchow...

Have tried several services so far (most free, some paid - like Mail2web). Also tried some solutions like GMail IMAP idle with Flexmail and the IMAPPUSHERSERVICE (developed by gmurray here).

Before starting I must inform you all that IT guys in my firm they try to lock everything and we have super special forms to access our internal network from outside. That means tokens, thousand-bit encryption :), few open ports, etc. The professionals which are in the firms corporate mobile plans can have access from their blackberries. Since I hate BBs and the plan su**ed anyway, I have my own personal plan and cannot even use BB connect (which was kind of a resource hog). So, no exchange access to my business account.

However, they do let me redirect my emails to an external Gmail account!!! :eek: And this is the account I am interested in getting pushed to my Kaiser -- and it is partialy because of such account that I cancelled Mail2web (had to pay to get their proxy feature available, they had occasional delays and their disk quota was really low). The bottomline: it was an expensive way to get emails from my work.

Very recently I have tried Mobipush, Seven and Funambol. I can say mobipush would be a very good solution, for it is easy to setup and does not require any additional piece of software. However, it sometimes fails to promptly deliver the emails -- and promptness is what I am searching for.

Seven, on the other hand, was always fast for me, although it makes you install their soft. I didn't see any major difference in performance in my Kaiser anyway. The problem with it is that it does not allow you to setup the "Display Name" of the sender. So people always receive emails from the "email", not from me... hehehe. Also, development on Seven seems to have staggered.

The last one I am trying right now is Funambol (with myfunambol as my server). I didn't know it and I must say I am really impressed with the possibility of sync contacts and calendar wirelessly and not need to hookup the phone everyday (remember, IT guys say "no internet access to your mailbox, Mr. Windows Mobile"). HOWEVER (there is always one), in my second day of usage, myfunambol seems to be down. GRRRRRR. Also, emails take up to ten minutes to arrive. For me, maybe funambol will be used as sync app and I will leave the emails for SEVEN (even with the name display prob).

Regards,
[General Topics] cjarchow:
SEVEN Works Best For Me

After an extended trial period of MobiPush, Funambol, & SEVEN, I have decided to stick with SEVEN as the clear winner.

Here is my compatibility matrix:

(M - MobiPush, F - Funambol, S - SEVEN)

No Addition Software: M - -
HTML Emal: - - S
Fast Email: M - S
Reliable Email: - F S
No ad/insert in reply email: M - S
Low Battery Usage: M F S

As you can see SEVEN was the clear winner for my criteria, the additional software install is actually very nice. A really good feature of this is that you can specify when you want the push service enabled. For example outside of work hours you may not need immediate emails and can save battery power by disabling push (ie. not keeping a constant connection open).

It lets you manage multiple accounts, synch additional IMAP folders, even syncs your contacts with GMAIL (probably other email providers too).

Only downside I have found is that it seems to have slowed down the initial load of pocket outlook, but if you keep it running in the background then it is snappy when going back to it.
[General Topics] Rafael K:
Once again, I have to agree with you, man. Are you sure you are not me??? :D:D

I have just uninstalled Funambol and reinstalled Seven. Speed and reliability for me are a must and between ALL of the solutions I tried so far, Seven is the best, although if they got a development program and let you change the sender display name would be very nice.

I added emoze, Mail2web and Imappusherservice to my "compatibility" matrix:

(M - MobiPush, F - Funambol, S - SEVEN, E - Emoze, W - Mail2web, I - Imappusher)

[FONT="Courier New"]
M F S E W I
No Add Soft: (Activepush) M - - - W -
HTML Email: - - S – W I
Fast Email: m – S – w I
Reliable Email: m - S – w -
No ad/insert in reply email: M – S – W I
Low Battery Usage: M f S e W -
Direct send from Gmail acc: M F S E - I
Customized Sender Name: M F - E W I[/FONT]

Final score (out of 8):

Seven – 6

Mail2web – 5,66 (major problems is it requires an additional mailbox and additional email address – remember, I’ve been a paying customer)

Mobipush – 5,66 (unreliable for me)

Imappusherservice – 5 (this is really a promise.)

Funambol – 2,33 (sadly, cos the idea behind it is great)

Emoze – 2,33 (another good promise that did not delivered)

That's it. If gmurray manages to get imap idle working fine on poutlook, this would be wonderful and the pusher would probably climb to first place.

There are other solutions out there. If others could add their testimonies, that would be fine.
[General Topics] kramerica2:
Does seven, like emoze, also sync contacts, tasks and appointments? Does it sync my PC's outlook?

I'm using emoze for over a year, and have no reliability issues...

My only problems with it, is bad support and that contacts' images won't sync.... Would Seven solve those problems?
[General Topics] Rafael K:
Somebody correct me if I am wrong: currently, seven does not support desktop outlook sync. It only syncs gmail's contacts. I am not sure if there are any solutions for syncing outlook and gmail. If available, you could sync outlook and gmail and let seven do the rest.

An additional note: I GIVE UP!!!! I was using seven yesterday when I noticed it only keeps the last 100 emails in your inbox, no matter your configuration for "download past emails". This represents only half the emails I receive in an usual day.

Then I tried pure plain IMAP on GMail (no push) with poutlook and it takes ages to sync and gives me an error saying it can't send messages (apparently, it is a common 6.1 bug, search for can't send messagens due to network coverage, or something like that).

Now I am back to mobipush. :mad::mad::mad: GRRRRRRRRRRRR. Let's pray it doesn't skip any emails...

By the way, and just a little offtopic here, how much of a difference is to check emails in IMAP and POP in our devices?
[General Topics] pcharouz:
pop downloads less data, and is quicker,but imap synchronizes read status, and also diferen folders

You an use imap with more than one device at the same time, with pop, this is a little more trickey
[General Topics] Rafael K:
I see now I wasn't very clear in my question. I know the difference between IMAP and POP. I was just asking, for instance, with mobipush (or seven, or emoze, or any other equivalent solution), what would be the difference between having it check emails through gmails' IMAP server or POP server.

I guess with a pop server, those services probably check the mail server within some specific interval (each 5 or 10 mins). If that is the case, we would not be getting real push experience, but rather a deferred push mail, if one can call that as such. I don't know if it works like that with IMAP also.

Anyway, if everything else fails, I really willing to go back to ol'pop server. My gmail mailbox already is a redirection of my corporate mail, so it does not sync read status and folder archiving with my exchange mailbox (yes, they do not want to implement push mail through exchange server here).
[General Topics] pcharouz:
I dont know if this will answer your question, but pop has to pull information in order to work.. imap is able to stay in an IDLE state, in which it acts like push email, the only problem is that pocket outlook does not support "IMAP IDLE", there are however other programs that do, flexmail for example... or the new imap pusher service http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=404515&highlight=imap
[General Topics] bassoprofundo:
I've gone to using Windows Live for my home accounts, and I've had great results. It integrates well with Windows Mobile devices, and MS Outlook + the Outlook connector (with the recent addition of free calendar sync) is about the closest thing you can get to hosted Exchange w/o paying for it. The only drawbacks are the fact that you have to have a Windows Live/Hotmail account to use it and that you cannot "send as" your primary account from either the mobile device or Outlook calendar (You can from the web interface, though.)
[General Topics] nylaw:
Verizon came out with a $29.95 plan vs the $45 so I downgraded. Unfortunately they cut off access to wireless snyc which was awesome.

So far Seven kinda hung on my XV6800. Mail2web didn't do what I thought it did. I need my ISP email account pushed not webmail. Is there a free service that works close to wireless sync?
[General Topics] Rafael K:
After several months testing free solutions, I came back to the paid version of Mail2web. No excelent, because it doesn't autobcc and has a somewhat limited mailbox to me (1Gb). But it will have to work.

Sorry for the grumpiness, but my suggestion is to change the thread name to "Least worst" (as we jokinly say in Brazil) free push mail...

It wouldn't matter anyway... All would be on the useless level to me.
[General Topics] iRiKi:
"o menos mau" as we say in Portugal ;) I voted emoze because it was (and still is!) the best client for wm2003 on my S100, but with (finally!) 6.1 i'm ready to take another step!
[General Topics] unL33T:
Mail2Web offers you free push mail which can be accessed via a webmail interface as well. It's not purely just webmail. To use it to push your ISP mail you just need to forward your mail to Mail2Web.

If your ISP mail supports IMAP-idle you can use FlexMail4 to get push-like mail but you have to buy FlexMail once.
[General Topics] kull:
mail2web free services really bad

I am afraid mail2web server has been down for several days now.. and support is prompt to reply, but keeps sending solutions for problems they are responsible... and making it sound like you have done something wrong. This I guess buys them time while you figure out and toy around with the settings... clever trick. Part of the "free package" I suppose...
[General Topics] Rafael K:
No problem on paid service

Kull,

I must say I have had one or two hours of server down last week. Nothing more than that.

Unfortunately, I can't give you my opinion on the free version, which I have used for quite sometime and occasionaly had trouble with.

Hope it comes back soon.
[General Topics] kull:
It is back on now.... hopefully remains that way... :)
[General Topics] firepro:
What about speed

I use webmail and they have a response of 10 to 20 seconds on average. Does anyone go faster than this for push email. I have been told BB is in the two to five second range. The OWA is great and no other real problems
[General Topics] unL33T:
Google now has a push service through ActiveSync available as a beta.

http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=138636&topic=14299

Oh nevermind, just noticed it was for Contacts and Calendar only...
[General Topics] kwattro76:
SEVEN

I have an HTC Diamond and for some reason my SEVEN application no longer gives my mail to me in HTML format. What is going on? If I use pocket outlook to setup an account I will get html email. I want push and I want to continue using SEVEN..anyone else have this issue? I want to get SEVEN back up and running like it was before.

Thanks
[General Topics] cjarchow:
SEVEN

kwattro76,

I have found that the email will not display in HTML unless you have downloaded the entire message. When viewing the email try Menu->Download Message. If after the message is downloaded you see it in HTML then consider upping the "Truncate messages at" setting within SEVEN.
[General Topics] kwattro76:
Well, I know you can do that with pocket outlook but In seven, you can go as high as

50kb which that is the one that I select, but when html email arrives BAMMMM!!! TEXT AND A BUNCH OF LINKS..... and no other options to download entire email under menu....Im big on push and its no longer giving me html like before.
[General Topics] kwattro76:
sorry, why doesnt it look like I did a quick reply to your mess CJARCHOW
[General Topics] cjarchow:
kwattro76,

Sorry I can't say I am experiencing the same issue as you. I have SEVEN on an HTC Touch Cruise (HK edition) using the 6.1 WWE ROM. I have GMail as well as my work email (setup through SEVEN Workgroup Edition Connector running as a service on my work machine) and both give me HTML email no problem. However when I reply to emails it will always be plain text, I don't think this is a SEVEN issue though, probably Pocket Outlook limitation.

If I were you I would try following up with the SEVEN community to find out what is going on.
[General Topics] kwattro76:
yeah, I need to see whats going on cause im using the consumer edition and it has always worked......hmmmmmmmmmm why is html even an option? we should all just have real html email in all phones and it be mandatory that all providers provide push technology at all times for all the business customers and for personal use...HOW ABOUT THAT!!!
[General Topics] sgou:
no more free mail2web

from May mail2web will no longer offer free push mail service :(
[General Topics] Bulldog:
May I ask Where you get that information??
[General Topics] shaileshashar:
True !!!

Yes i can conform this.

I tried to log on to mail2web live and now it is asking to migrate.

The free account will not support activesync anymore.
[General Topics] kull:
Yes this is confirmed from an official mail and yes I was forced to migrate if I wanted to continue Active Synch/Push Mail. Although there is a 2 month "free" look in period. The official reason being Microsoft's Outlook 2007 doesn't come cheap! I guess MS is withdrawing 2003 support soon. Thus another great free service has been bitten by the "R" monster!! Guess we have to brace-up to no more free lunches... wonder what other free service is going to be hit this year....
[General Topics] mrbkkt1:
honestly.. I just pull my email every 2 hours....

seriously.

I looked for a good push email client, but unless you are using exchange, nothing works awesome, so old fashion pull is for me.
[General Topics] zenkinz:
google apps now supports googlesync, which is compatible with MS Exchange Activesync service.
[General Topics] Bulldog:
wow that is bad news mail2web was really perfect thing.. Funny thing is that until now I have not receive any mail or Notice about this issue from those guys :mad:

I don’t mind to upgrade, 4.95 is a reasonable price if it would able me also to download my mails to my desktop (outlook) but that additional service cost 9.95 which is really not reasonable at all.
[General Topics] kull:
I really don't see any extra advantage with Outlook 2007 I don't need to see mail in HTML! I would have loved to continue with 2003, that was enough. Just like I still am on XP!!
[General Topics] unL33T:
This is for contacts and calendar only. Not email. Unless it works for email and they just neglected to change the information on the website...
[General Topics] kull:
Yeah, doesn't work for emails.
[General Topics] leaskovski:
For now.

They will be introducing email push soon....

http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=138784&topic=15014

Even though this is for symbi, it is for exchange support which is active sync so will work on WM.
[General Topics] kull:
Well I hope its before June 1st! ;)
[General Topics] leaskovski:
well even if it isn't, for the time being seven is probably your best bet.
[General Topics] rajivshastri:
+1 on that... Am using Seven with 4 email accounts(business, gmail, hotmail and 1 pop), calendar and contacts and it works beautifully... better battery life as well... have tried all else, but if you have multiple accounts over multiple protocols to sync, this is the best IMHO
[General Topics] buffalosolja42:
Microsoft just released cab that allows you to push and pull email and contacts

Just read it and here is the link to download it:) http://mobile.microsoft.com/live/en-us/mobile/default.mspx enjoy
[General Topics] buffalosolja42:
and seven is the bomb

I use seven and have tried others i love it.
[General Topics] mma123:
Compare ActiveSync and SMS based solution

Hi all:

As I can see, there are two solutions for push email on Windows mobiles - ActiveSync and (hidden) SMS based. Apparently, none is real push but those two are the closest we can get. If you have used both, which one gave you better performance - in terms of latency and battery consumption?

Please share your experience. Here is mine:

I have browsing only data plan. So, I can not go for ActiveSync option. I am using Windows Live Alert with email forwarding. Works great. I use WAP site to check forwarded emails. The only problem is that it is hard on my battery - I can not go more than one day without a recharge.
[General Topics] sgou:
Add to poll

We should also add to poll, this great open-source program,

which allows a push Mail experience from IMAP servers

http://imappusherservice.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=17672
[General Topics] sgou:
Remove from Poll

Mail2Web FREE should also now be removed from the poll :(
[General Topics] mb:
What a shame mail2web have decided to charge for push. Google will probably kill that off.
[General Topics] kull:
Yeah its only a matter of time before Gmail does it! Then probably Mail2web can close for good!

Does one need to download any software to use SEVEN?
[General Topics] deedee:
yes, you do need to download for Seven to install on your PDA.

i am using it successfully for GMail and a coupel of other email accounts. i think Seven do google contacts and calendar but i haven't tried it.
[General Topics] rajivshastri:
Seven does do Google Contacts and Calendar... it can also sync contacts with Hotmail, but supports only one sync at a time... and unlike activesync, doesnt wipe the contacts out if you change the sync server... I've used Imappusher as well, but i had activesync, imappusher, windows live and pull POP accounts all on together... Seven handles all of these now... and it works on Joshkoss's 21189 build WM6.5 ROM as well...
[General Topics] kull:
Guess I am gonna have to give a shot at Se7en!
[General Topics] LordDeath:
I am not looking for push mail, but for the sync of my outlook data. Currently Google supports calendar and contacts syncing. But a sync for the tasks is still missing. :(
[General Topics] mavrik64:
Funambol

a mate of mine switched me on to Funambol today. I'm trying them out at the moment. It's open source and syncs with ms outlook.
[General Topics] rpk-br:
Hi, LordDeath,

How do you sync outlook with calendar and contacts?

Thanks,
[General Topics] Bulldog:
Seven is good as long it is up.. but my experience is that is not stable. Sometimes is just pefect. It takes less then a minute to get mails but sometimes it takes hours. If you use seven I suggest you to use the today screen plug in on your device.. then you directly see whether the service is active/connected or it has some issues.
[General Topics] donster22:
what a shame - bye bye mail2web................
[General Topics] LordDeath:
This way: http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=138636&topic=14299
[General Topics] rpk-br:
Thanks Lorddeath. But actually, I was asking how to sync the outlook desktop version and google calendar and contacts. Does anybody know how?
[General Topics] MichaelPB:
I say Kerio

http://www.kerio.eu/kerio.html

Exchange compatible.
[General Topics] kull:
Not free I suppose.
[General Topics] Bulldog:
Well that is Server isnt it? that would be same as setting up your own exchange but I gues cost weise it will be lower
[General Topics] LordDeath:
I found only a solution to sync the Outlook calendar with Google: http://www.google.com/support/calendar/bin/answer.py?answer=98563
[General Topics] CWKJ:
Mail2Web exchange server push mail is no longer free from May onwards.

Its only free for the normal webmail.
[General Topics] unL33T:
This has already been mentioned several times in the thread. The first time was back in March...
[General Topics] kull:
Yes still no alternative found. I guess the days of "free" push are over?
[General Topics] CWKJ:
@unL33T

Oops, sorry, didn't read all post here. I havent been reading / posting actively for past 2 years since I move to O2 XDA Flame.

I chance into this when my free mail2web push is over and start searching for another free push over google.

Seems closest is MobiPush, but seems does not work for me yet, still trying it out.
[General Topics] garrincha_xx:
emoze seems to work just fine, at least for my gmail account.
[General Topics] neavissa:
so what?! who cares if they mention it more than once. made it easy for me :D
[General Topics] deedee:
Try Seven beta, they dont offer exchange themselves but they do push anybody elses mail. i've been using them for a while now without problem. Also they have stated in the support forum that there are no plans to go to a chargeable version.
[General Topics] cannondale0815:
Apologies for resurrecting this two-week old thread, but Blackberry Connect shouldn't be overlooked. There's no cost other than for a Blackberry data plan (which is $20 for unlimited data at T-Mobile).
[General Topics] maxupload:
mail2web is not free it ask for credit card...4.95$
[General Topics] kull:
Well there is really no real alternative as free push mail I think. The search is futile. The best is to hope that Gmail will soon offer this also since its offering contacts and calendar synch its a question of time before they offer mail too. Then services like Mail2web will have to shut shop. I have already decided to stop using their service. Microsofts Myphone syncs contacts etc. very well enough for me to back up contacts and other imp documents. And for me the Gmail sync at 1 hour interval is enough, don't really need to receive mail "instantly".
[General Topics] bimboybimboy:
There is another free option

Surprised that this thread now over a year old, never mentioned an open source program called "FUNAMBOL". Using it now.

I hv used all the others. Apart from FUNAMBOL better once are :-

1) Seven - But sever keeps going down. Battery life is ok.

2) Mobipush - Their webpage certificate expired im March 2009. Since then do not feel safe with it.

3) Mail2web - the free service collects the mails only but does not push it to the mobile

4) Fleximail - Could not even automatically connect to the net like others. I generally keep my data connection off. But all other programs automatically turn it on when they need to access the net. But not Fleximail. Is it specific to my handset ? Otherwise good program.

I am using Asus P750 WM6.
[General Topics] bimboybimboy:
There is another free option - 2

Need to mention here that I am one of those who need everything. So programs which work great but only with gmail or hotmail or etc will not do.

I need them all. I check my free gmail, free yahoo, free hotmail, paid personal accout with FUNAMBOL.

Seven could do that also.
[General Topics] Bulldog:
I am not sure whether you guys aware of "www.alol.net.br" a free Microsoft exchange service like the mail2web.com before

It is Microsoft Exchange 2007; you can Sync WinMo but also if you wish sync with Microsoft office outlook on desktop. With a donation you can even change the setting "From" by sending and replying emails. I am using it for couple weeks an it is very good.

There is nothing better then a real exchange push for mail and PIM
[General Topics] kull:
Great. Trying it out now... takes 8 hours to activate they say. Thanks.

No they have activated it immediately - almost. Cool.
[General Topics] bimboybimboy:
It is definitely an option I was not aware of and have registered. But how does it help me with my existing yahoo/gmail accounts. M2W used to automatically collect them. How can that be done here ?