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[Magisk] papuruth:
Same issue here I'm on RR Final build with velocity 3.1

Magisk 16 installed and safety net failed.

Please suggest how can I run tez on my device and pass safety net.

Can anybody give me Yureka black official nougat build. Prop file my email

Papuruth@gmail.com
[Magisk] Sahilgyan25:
From day before yesterday tez stopped working , seems like Google found another way to detect root , from April 8 -2018 my tez is not working even after hiding magisk manager , adding it in hidden apps also done ,don't know what happened suddenly .
[Magisk] defens23:
I am also experiencing this issue with Chase Pay. Not using a custom ROM. Magisk version 16.2. Passed safety net. All other banking apps work fine. Using Google Pixel XL.
[Magisk] charlessxavier:
It has stopped working after an update last night.

Has anybody found a fix for this ? It's already added in magisk hide and no issues with safety net.
[Magisk] Gagsss:
Same here tez was working just fine in cardinal in kuntao but after reinstalling it stopped working
[Magisk] SPaty:
Actually after update of Google Play Services it detects the root or custom build os. Uninstalling the Google Play Services update help me to use Tez. But this solution is a temporary solution.
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
[MENTION=4667597]Didgeridoohan[/MENTION]

Just like adding rhe additional processes for pogo and intune, how can one figure out the additional processes for play services and / or tez app?

Any pointers?
[Magisk] Didgeridoohan:
Not really my area... Logcat when the app is starting and detecting root?
[Magisk] vinay.k.21:
This worked for me. However I had just flashed my device before trying the step
[Magisk] StarScream_X:
can you tell me which applications you hid in magisk?
[Magisk] hk96:
Uninstall updates of google play services

Magisk hide didnt help, But uninstalling updates of google play services will do the job. :good:
[Magisk] arvindgr:
How did you uninstall play services updates?
[Magisk] StarScream_X:
I did uninstall the Google play services update from application manager, cleared all tez app data, still it's being detected for me.. :(
[Magisk] Sai bharadwaj:
did you try with treble build RR os
[Magisk] MisledMew:
Does this method work on custom rom? Because ctsProfile will fail for custom roms.

And also I don't find 'Magisk Hide Props config' module in the download section.

Edit:

Found the module. But I don't see my phone listed under available fingerprints. I don't know how to proceed. Can you help?

My phone is lenovo K4 note vibe. Running dot os on android 7.1.2
[Magisk] arvindgr:
I tried multiple ROMs with April patch and found something. Tez seems to detect if the kernel is in enforcing mode or not. Hence try Tez in recent ROMs with enforcing kernel as it worked for me.

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Nope, Cts will pass for properly built custom ROMs. Also, Magisk Hide is available as a separate option in left pane along with Downloads
[Magisk] Didgeridoohan:
You can use whatever fingerprint that is certified. If you have one for your device available, you can enter it manually, create a custom fingerprints list, or submit it for inclusion in a future update.

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MagiskHide already hides a permissive SELinux state, so that shouldn't be an issue...
[Magisk] LELBOT:
Logs attached.

attached the logs when app starts and detects root, device - OnePlus 3, Rom - Dirty Unicorns 12.1 weekly with April security patch.

Tez app is in latest version.

Also it is already hidden in magisk hide option.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6sEVT4k-gBSVHdteHJXclNJRk91R2NQNlJzeDJxMVBJYmZz/view?usp=sharing
[Magisk] Mithun rascal:
Still no fix?
[Magisk] Dreamer(3MF):
I'll Try To Make a Module For Tez App Like Microsoft Intune Company Portal Hider But I Need Firstly To Get the Following

- Full Logcat Of Tez [logcat | grep tez]

- Full Logcat Of nbu [logcat | grep nbu]

- Full Logcat Of paisa [logcat | grep paisa]

So Could Anyone Send The Required Logcats?
[Magisk] charlessxavier:
Have you got this from someone or you still need it ?

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[Magisk] bobby_138:
nbu, Paisa are just words from tez's package name (com.google.android.apps.nbu.paisa.user
[Magisk] Dreamer(3MF):
Tez Hider Module Has Been Moved To A Separate Thread.

Check This Link https://xdaforums.com/apps/magisk/module-tez-hider-t3796567.

It Would Be Honor To Me By Joining Everyone Who Are Interested In This Subject To The New Thread.
[Magisk] charlessxavier:
Thanks a lot for your efforts mate, but still this isn't working

- Did You Try The Latest Update Of TezHider4Magisk(v1500)(3MF)? Yes

- Did You Add Tez To The List Of Magisk Hide? Yes

- Which Version Of Magisk Do You Use? 16.0

- Do You Use An Official ROM? Yes RR 5.8.4 for one plus x onyx

- Is Your PlayStore Device Certification Status, Certified? Not sure, plz guide how to find ?

- Did Your Phone Pass The SafetyNet? Yes

- Do You Use Any Other Rooting Tool Such As SuperSu with Magisk? No

- Full Logcat - attached
[Magisk] Im_DAtTA0:
I've tried everything possible but unable to get the results.

I'm on CARBON ROM(official).

Can someone help me out.
[Magisk] Dreamer(3MF):
Could I ask You To Do the Following?

- Clear Data & Cache Of Tez App --> Reboot --> Try Again

- Send A Full Logcat

- Install Terminal Emulator from PlayStore --> Open It --> Write Su --> Click On Enter --> Write magiskhide --ls --> Click On Enter --> Send Its Screenshot

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Could I ask You To Do the Following?

- Clear Data & Cache Of Tez App --> Reboot --> Try Again

- Send A Full Logcat

- Install Terminal Emulator from PlayStore --> Open It --> Write Su --> Click On Enter --> Write magiskhide --ls --> Click On Enter --> Send Its Screenshot
[Magisk] arvindgr:
[MENTION=4550306]charlessxavier[/MENTION] and [MENTION=8531102]Venkata Datta Sai[/MENTION]

You both are in Stable Magisk 16.0, How about trying Magisk beta v16.3..?
[Magisk] charlessxavier:
Done, still not working. Logcat and screenshot of terminal emulator attached
[Magisk] charlessxavier:
Done. No changes. Still not working
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
Can you share the results of this app (screenshot) before and after hiding it in magiskhide.

Also pls do this on 16.3

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.scottyab.rootbeer.sample

Btw - I am assuming safteynet is already passing and device is certified in play store? These two r mandatory steps
[Magisk] charlessxavier:
Before
[Magisk] charlessxavier:
After
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
There seems to be the issue

Busybox binary is not getting hidden properly

Have you installed a seperate busybox?

Pls also check with rom Dev if there is busybox already installed in the ROM.
[Magisk] charlessxavier:
And yes, safety net passed and device is certified in play store
[Magisk] charlessxavier:
Does that mean you want me to install busybox ? Actually i remember I did install it separately after installing my rom for titanium backup to work
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
It means you have to get rid of it

Search for the file called "busybox" in the following paths and delete it

"/data/local/",

"/data/local/bin/",

"/data/local/xbin/",

"/sbin/", "/su/bin/",

"/system/bin/",

"/system/bin/.ext/",

"/system/bin/failsafe/",

"/system/sd/xbin/",

"/system/usr/we-need-root/",

"/system/xbin/",

"/cache",

"/data",

"/dev"
[Magisk] charlessxavier:
Cleaned it from other paths, but unable to delete it from system/xbin/

Any way that you know of ?

And if i remove BusyBox will Titanium backup stop working ?
[Magisk] Ajendra25:
Same issue here. Busybox not hidden!!

Yes, I installed Stericson's Busybox v64.

Should I uninstall it?
[Magisk] Ajendra25:
[MENTION=4457482]candiesdoodle[/MENTION]

I removed Busybox. & All Ticks are GREEN.

Using Magisk 16.3, Safety Net Passed!

But, still Tez shows same error.

No success :(
[Magisk] Dreamer(3MF):
Could I ask You To Do the Following?

- Clear Data & Cache Of Tez App --> Reboot --> Try Again

- Send A Full Logcat

- Install Terminal Emulator from PlayStore --> Open It --> Write su --> Click On Enter --> Write magiskhide --ls --> Click On Enter --> Send Its Screenshot
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
And safteynet is still passing and device is certified?

Send the output of gerprop

Do this in a term:

su

gerprop > /sdcard/gerprop.txt

And send the file gerprop.txt

Secondly also do this in term:

su

magiskhide --add com.google.android.gms
[Magisk] nischalnischal:
Hi

I had the same problem with tez,

1. I searched for busybox binaries using root explorer and deleted them.

2. I uninstalled Magisk using the script Magisk had provided in their thread.

3. Uninstalled Tez

4. Installed Magisk using the apk in the thread(not the magisk-v16.0.zip)

5. Did a safety net check in magisk

6. Installed Tez and it worked!

7. Went to recovery and installed magisk-v16.0.zip

Tez was still working, so I initiated the transfer, tez checks again for security and it failed. :(

Any solutions?
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
What do you mean installed the apk? Did you end up rooting via magisk or not when you installed apk?

I suggest you guys do a clean flash of your custom ROM and install magisk 16.3 and then check tez

i am on op3 stock rom rooted with magisk and tez has been working just fine. Even after updating Google play services
[Magisk] Im_DAtTA0:
Anything findable from this?
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
1. You are on v16. Move to 16.3

2. You haven't executesld any command. You have to execute "magiskhide --ls"
[Magisk] nischalnischal:
I have tried it on stock rom. and FreedomOS and Tez works well with it even with Magisk installed. But on other custom roms there seems to be a problem with Magisk installed, if I uninstall Magisk then I can install Tez successfully on custom ROMs.
[Magisk] Im_DAtTA0:
I don't know how to send a logcat, sorry for that.
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
Wow

What are you hiding ALL apps?? That list is supposed to be small..much small.

I suggest you remove magisk completely and try again

Also - you guys should try this module as well

Maybe ctsprofile is already passing for you.. but still give it a try as it spoofs fingerprints also

https://xdaforums.com/apps/magisk/module-magiskhide-props-config-simple-t3765199
[Magisk] Im_DAtTA0:
I was trying to hide magisk from all the GOOGLE apps , (with a random doublt that whether tez can get to know root through other apps).

I'll try removing magisk and revert back.
[Magisk] Im_DAtTA0:
Uninstalling magisk completely made tez work completely fine , I was able to transfer money. Then when I reinstalled magisk and used magisk hide ,tez stopped working . I've tried clearing app data, rebooting device etc.

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Using Magisk 16.3 was also useless.

Any other way?
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
Did you try the module?
[Magisk] hk96:
Busybox not a problem, i think

Busybox doent seem to cause the problem, see attached image of it.

Busybox not there, even then tez getting blocked.
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
Yeah that was established a few posts back
[Magisk] hk96:
Hope this helps

Couldnt find gerprop, ran getprop and here is the result
[Magisk] charlessxavier:
Thanks. I thought I was the only one :)
[Magisk] Sahilgyan25:
First passed safety net , then hidden tez , then hidden magisk.

Now problem solved.
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
Ok how?
[Magisk] charlessxavier:
Yes how. Plz explain
[Magisk] Sahilgyan25:
I'm on nitrogen os test build , wich is having April security patch , on previous os it was not working , today thought of giving a try , so installed tez and hidden in magisk , also hidden magisk app from settings of magisk

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I'm on nitrogen os test build , wich is having April security patch , on previous os it was not working , today thought of giving a try , so installed tez and hidden in magisk , also hidden magisk app from settings of magisk
[Magisk] hk96:
U r saying that security patch is the problem?? I don't think there are chances for that, coz then it won't run on older devices that don't get updates.
[Magisk] Sahilgyan25:
No not security patch , few sources in ROM should be in favour of tez security check may be , like tez says your device may be rooted or running on custom ROM.
[Magisk] amit3880:
Agee to this.. I switched to Omni rom from RR and it works like it should. It must be ROM having issue.

May be something is wrong with ROM, which causing the tez to trigger.
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
Looks like a fingerprint or device ID issue. Anyways.
[Magisk] aK_mr3'ofive:
It is just related to ROM. Nothing works! I have tried everything!
[Magisk] Sahilgyan25:
Yes.
[Magisk] Im_DAtTA0:
I've installed the module through Magisk , donno what to do next. Can you guide me through?
[Magisk] itzsarath:
Tez not working with following ROMs.

1-AospExtended-v5.4-kenzo-20180416-1158-BETA

2-BootleggersROM-Oreo4kenzo.2.2-Stable-Shishufied-20180416

3- Resurrection Remix 20180416

Can you please suggest me another ROM which will not trigger tez problem
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
Pls read there is extensive documentation available ... Try fiddling around with fingerprint, build prop and default prop aspects, installing the module with magisk before setting up the device etc. Check the module github
[Magisk] Dreamer(3MF):
Tez Hider Module Has Been Updated. Try It & Awaiting The Feedback. Check This Link https://xdaforums.com/apps/magisk/tez-app-custom-rom-root-device-t3722018/post76270117.
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
Sorry mate doesn't work

I installed two roms on my op3 - aosip and nos

I only hid tez

Didn't work on aosip.. Worked on No's with out a glitch

It isn't anything to do with how the process_monitor is detecting processes

Its got something to do with a file or a prop in the ROM ... Which has obv got replicated across ROMs. Will keep digging
[Magisk] arvindgr:
OmniROM Apr 15
[Magisk] itzsarath:
Device Redmi note 3 kenzo

On Firehound 4.3 March 3 build

Tez working fine
[Magisk] charlessxavier:
Not working mate. Do you need logcat or something to debug the issue?
[Magisk] Dreamer(3MF):
Thanks For Helping. There Is Something Which Is Related To The Security Of Some Roms Triggers Tez. We Need To Figure Out Where Exactly The Files Which Need The Modification.

Thanks Again.

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Yes, Send The Logcat. Thanks For Helping Us To Figure Out Where is The Issue.
[Magisk] hk96:
Please take a look at this logcat.

Hided tez in magisk and also installed tez hider.

Hope this helps....
[Magisk] bobby_138:
I tried everything and even switched 3 roms.but tez detected every single rom. Even with magisk hide and the module.
[Magisk] charlessxavier:
Attaching the logcat
[Magisk] Soul Spark:
Logs...!!!
[Magisk] itzsarath:
Any solution yet?
[Magisk] bobby_138:
This time the developers at Google really got ahead of us.
[Magisk] Dreamer(3MF):
Hi Mates, Kindly Send A Copy Of build.prop For Each One Of The Following (Stock Rom - Custom Rom Where Tez Is Working Properly To Transfer Money - Custom Rom Where Tez Isn't Working To Transfer Money).
[Magisk] Ajendra25:
Please have a look at this file!

Redmi Note 3

NOS 7.1.2

Tez Not Working!

Magisk 16.3
[Magisk] arvindgr:
Tez working all fine with Magisk Hide

OmniROM 22Apr

Magisk CTS passing and Play store certified

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[Magisk] arvindgr:
Tez working all fine with Magisk Hide

OmniROM 22Apr

Magisk CTS passing and Play store certified...
[Magisk] vinod meel:
I m using pixel experience rom on my redmi note 4 ..tez is working fine with magisk hide
[Magisk] bobby_138:
Updated magisk 16.4 ,device certified ,safetynet passing but tez not working
[Magisk] Gritofk:
Hi using any fix for this yet..?
[Magisk] NewBee3:
I am sharing my experience with Tez Issue and probably users with same problem might find solution with this post..

I had the same security issues when i setting up my Tez app with my previous ROM (LOS 14.1 on RN3). Now, I am able to set-up Tez on current AOSP build which I am running on my device. User might verify following things for custom ROM with Magisk installed for root.

1. Uninstall Tez Application and Magisk completely (which should restore your system's stock boot img) and Reboot your Device. (This point could be optional for who have certified GSF licence already).

2. Verify GSF Licence: GoTo Play Store -> Settings -> check 'Device Certification' status. If it is 'Uncertified', then register your device with 2.a.

2.a: Download Device ID app -> copy GSF register number and update the same in Android-ID field in this link Register android (make sure you use google account of your phone). Then clear all data of Google play store (and probably Google Play services as well). Now, Reboot system and verify device certification again to make sure it is 'verified' now. [More Info:xda How-To Guide]

3. Re-install your Gapps package in Recovery mode [or dirty install your current ROM+Gapps - optional only. Reinstall Gapps alone at first try]. Wipe Dalvik-ART Cache & Cache partition and Reboot.

4. [Check Play Store certification once reboot is done] Reboot to Recovery and Flash Magisk again (Try Stable v16.0 or Beta v16.4. - 'I tried Beta'). Reboot your device (Might not require to wipe Dalvik cache again after Magisk install, but your wish to do so..)

5. Install Tez from play store after reboot. Goto Magisk Manager and Hide 'Tez' alone (verify Safety Net too).

6. Now open Tez and Try setting up from your phone number registered. And See how it flows now..

[it worked for me when moving from LOS14.1 build to AOSP now on RN3 with manual GSF registration]

Problem Seekers could try this and see it could help your case as well.

*Backup before doing the guide, but we are not modifying anything. So it should not break anything!

EDIT:

The above guide doesn't work for rooted devices yet :( Although, who have problem with un-rooted devices can follow steps for registering GSF (Step 2, optional step 3 - reinstalling gapps may change GSF id so this step can be omitted) followed by fresh install of Tez app and setup/restore account then try payment if it is working fine. Thanks!
[Magisk] vygavedha:
Tez works for me now..

Device Mi A1

Du unofficial, enforcing

Flashed ROM, gapps and magisk 16.4

Complete set up as a new user, not restored anything from play store..

Installed tez as the first user app...hide in magisk and fine now.

Can anyone try the same in their current ROM..

I think, any modes which is installed as magisk modules breaks tez. Will update if I found anything...
[Magisk] NewBee3:
Have you tried to pay anybody with Tez and Magisk on board?
[Magisk] vygavedha:
Yes..able to transfer
[Magisk] Ajendra25:
My PlayStore doesn't show Device certification status !!!

Btw, Magisk SafetyNet Passed! :confused:
[Magisk] SPaty:
I think tez detects permissive mode of selinux. so, please confirm who are using enforcing ROM do they able to use tez without any error?
[Magisk] NewBee3:
Nope, I am using ROM with enforcing SeLinux and it doesn't work with this setup as well..

Temporarily uninstalled Magisk now (un-rooted) and Tez is functioning as expected..

*RN3 - AOSP Extended (7.1.2) - Magisk with Hide - Certified Play store (GSF)
[Magisk] sudipta08sarkar:
DEVICE MI A1 ( Tissot)

CASE 1

In pixel experience, Tez works perfectly.

CASE 2

If we use Gapps before 8th April, then tex is working fine, but after some time, GOOGLE PLAY SERVICE updated automatically and Tez stope working.

I think issue is with the latest google play service.
[Magisk] vygavedha:
Working fine

Device Tissot

ROM Nitrogen Os enforcing

Kernel Meta Phoneix

Magisk 16.4
[Magisk] DarkSJ1998:
Xposed is the culprit. When Xposed is installed, I can't pass SafetyNet and as a result, Tez doesn't work. As soon I uninstall Xposed, SafetyNet starts passing and I can again use Tez app
[Magisk] Dreamer(3MF):
If Tez App Still Detects The Rooting, Try This Alternative Solution Hide-Unhide MagiskSu Via Tasker

>>> Hide-Unhide MagiskSu Via Tasker (+Notification Area) V2.1 <<< & >>> Hide-Unhide MagiskSu Via Tasker (+Notification Area) V2.2 <<< & >>> Hide-Unhide MagiskSu Via Tasker (+Notification Area) V2.4 <<<
[Magisk] Mamallan Raja:
Remind to check magisk hide the play store after clear data of google play store.it will update in 10 -15 mins
[Magisk] vygavedha:
Yes....tez is working in Nos with meta Phoneix kernel as well for Tissot for me...
[Magisk] Ajendra25:
Yes buddy.. I've done same thing so many times.

But, now when I open Play store Settings, it's crashing !
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
It's probably the kernel

Oos + Franco on op3. Tez fails

Oos + stock kernel ... Works fine

Oos + Mary's kernel ... Works fine
[Magisk] MisledMew:
Tez is working fine in my stock ROM, rooted. It has issues running on custom ROMs. Make sure you pass all cases in magisk, you are good to go.
[Magisk] hk96:
This was discussed earlier. Please go through the thread.

My phone already passing safetynet and certified in playstore. Even then tez not working.
[Magisk] hk96:
Any idea what tez checks in kernel?
[Magisk] charlessxavier:
I have stopped trying tez as we have WhatsApp payments introduced in India now. Which is almost same except for the scratch card concept :)

For now whatsapp serves the purpose.
[Magisk] Mamallan Raja:
Whatsapp Won't give scratch card
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
No clue yet

It could be the way enforcing is being set. I suspect...
[Magisk] hk96:
But changing SElinux policy also didn't solve the problem either
[Magisk] candiesdoodle:
Yeah I know... I am going to ask Franco in his thread.
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] erichkooi:
Hello Mate 10/10 Pro users.

Could you able to post which

OFFICIAL

firmware version on yr mobile.

This help to keep track on official Huawei OTA is rolling out worldwide.

Mine is BLA-L29 9.0.0.200 (C636)

Thank you.

************ Firmware version ************

Firmware finder site for your reference:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FunkyHuawei/

http://pro-teammt.ru/firmware-database/?firmware_model=BLA-L29&firmware_page=0
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] Ol' Blue Eyes:
Same - Mine is BLA-L29 8.0.0.119 (C636) - 20/12/2017

BLA-L29 8.0.0.126 (C626) is available on Firmware Finder app but I have not installed it yet, though others have reported that the process is easy.
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] thomaspHK:
Exact same here. I can see 125 and 126 in firmware finder but they're not accessible yet. My phone rejected the update files.
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] sonydesouza:
version 127-C432 for me in France with mate 10 pro dual sim

I had an OTA update 115 ----->127

Cheers
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] amonrei:
Odd. I looked at 127 changelog in another thread and it's the same as my 636 119. I meant the live wallpaper and amazon thingy.
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] moarfish:
Mate 10 ALP-L29 8.0.0.119 (c636) 2017-12-20 Location: Hong Kong
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] Ol' Blue Eyes:
Did you try to download and install the Full OTA files for 125/126? Was it the case that you downloaded the files successfully over your phone's in-built "System Update" function but failed to install the Full OTA files?
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] nastykb80:
Alp-l29 119(C185)

Huawei Mate 10
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] eNkodex:
Mate 10 ALP-L09 8.0.0.102 (C69) Region: MX - Telcel. (Waiting for rebrand)
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] NaifAlru:
BLA-L29 8.0.0.119 (C185) middle east
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] Pacman1969:
Huawei Mate 10 ALP-L09 8.0.0.115 (C432)

I wonder when this will be updated via OTA in Europe
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] firefox1991:
LA-L29 8.0.0.119 (C605)

mate 10pro, panama
[Huawei Mate 10  Guides, News, & Discussion] mscion:
Still on ALP-L29 8.0.0.119(C636)

On Firmware Finder there is ALP-L29 8.0.0.126(C636) but doesn't look like much of an update. What do you think?