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[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] iamsabresh:
Honor V10 & Future of AI

1) How does the NPU get better with time ? Does it collect user data or it is made better through software updates.

2) Since the effective life cycle of a smartphone is 2 - 3 years, do you see honor supporting the V10 with software support as the Kirin 970 is one of a kind and is there any possibility for custom ROM development ?

3) Why would one choose Honor V10 over it's rivals ?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] minz1:
What does the NPU in the View 10 look at to determine what should be improved for a better UX?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] Shubhang.trj:
Here is my question

What is the future of NPU?

What advantages a phone with NPU gives over the other phones?

AI is definitely the future. How is it going to change our day to day life?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] MohitK.IE:
How many years of R&D did help to achieve this AI on Board device? And do we see devices in mid range segment in future?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] technicalkishan:
Please Reply

By keeping AI on board/chipset and keep analyzing the surrounding and awareness of users activity, are we also looking at Battery consumption during this activity? What if AI misinterpret any activity? Is it backed up with some secondary manual interpreter?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] shashank1320:
Might sounds silly, How smart a smartphone can become wit AI? Are we expecting something similar, in future, to human robots which understand humans as good as a human and responds accordingly?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] LDKDante:
Does Honor V10 use an actual Artificial intelligence? If so does it need internet connection?

And it uses "NPU", could it make any compatibility issues with apps and games? I'm asking this because arm, x86 or snapdragon uses different kinds of "lib".

Does "NPU" have the ability to emulate "CPU"?

Does "NPU" consume more power than "CPU"?

So..... This phone has a lot of things different than others so does it need a new kind of chipset?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] QiangGan:
Providing the best experience to our customers is always on our top list. Never, by any means, did honor throttle the devices to push the customer to buy new phones. And honor will never do this.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] Mayeen:
How much improved is the CPU and GPU performance as compared to the Kirin 960, which many thought to be less capable than the Snapdragon 835, even though having more transistors on the same size of the chip (10 nm)?

Also, wouldn't it take a heavy toll on the battery and result in heating issues when excessive fancy units are integrated into a single unit?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] technicalkishan:
Please Reply

What are the advantages of CAT 18 used in Kirin 970 ???
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] QiangGan:
The AI-enabled Honor View 10 offers a wide range of benefits to users. The AI technology understands a user’s behaviors, and provides advice and automatically adjusts settings to achieve optimal user experience.

A great example of benefits that AI brings is smartphone photography. Honor View 10’s camera captures incredible details and contrast through dual lenses: the 16 megapixel RGB color lens and 20 megapixel

monochrome lens. The intelligent scene recognition enabled by AI can recognize 13 pre-defined scenes. It accelerates the focusing and instantly adjust parameters to deliver optimal results. Kirin 970 chipsets support accurate detection of faces and background that enhances portraits and produces more natural photos. It also makes the rims between people and background in a photo clearer, resulting in better bokeh effects.

Another amazing benefit is the smart translator on Honor View 10. We’ve worked with Microsoft to develop the offline AI Accelerated Translator software in the phone. The Honor View 10 can recognize text even in complex images. Real-time translation is just in a snap!
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] iamsabresh:
Honor V10 and support

1) With Project treble enables, how soon can the end user expect Android updates on the V10 ?

2) Will the EMUI & AI Development affect the rollout of the Android updates for the V10 ?

3) How do you expect the availability of the V10 to be in 2018 ?

4) Since not a lot of third party softwares don't use the NPU, what has honor initiated to increase supported app development ?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] bharatshaan:
How exactly does the AI improve the photos taken each time and how does it learn and improve from our usage and does it also have the capability to over clock and under clock the processor as it thinks is right at that moment?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] sarius02:
Will all recent Honor products support Project Treble?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] mexicandroid:
Does the company have any plans extend the time you will offer security and major updates to at least three years or longer?

I really like the products you guys offer but I have bought my Honor 8 cash and I have only gotten maybe 3 or 4 updates since I got it only one was a major update. I would like to get at least security updates more often, I understand the major updates take longer and I personally like EMUI over stock Android

I also ask because I am still on my Honor8 but had to switch my kids to iPhones because they have updates for longer periods of time. My wife's old iPhone 5S released in 2013 just got a major update and I passed it on to my daughter.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] fabiking:
How can the NPU help with battery consumption?

What are the 4G bands of the Honor View10 in America?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] jeuxtype:
Choice

If you have to choose between the honor view 10, honor 7X, Mate 10 Pro. Which one would you pick?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] krazy23:
1. Will this device support Oreo's Project Treble?

2. What is Honor View 10's NPU specs? Is it better than Pixel's Visual Core which uses an LPDDR4 RAM and a single Cortex-A53?

3. What did Microsoft contribute in this device? Will there be Cortana?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] card-us:
probably already been ask by other member,

1. support for Project Treble?

2. advanced dual camera (more function on potrait mode)?

3. support fast charging?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] bgos10:
I was very impressed by the dedicated NPU on the kirin 970 as that meant that Honor understands how the application of AI and Machine Learning can make our day to day tasks easier with real time analysis and prediction.

Now my question is that does the NPU just learn from the training data supplied by honor (and maybe through OTA updates) or does it actually learn in real-time through the objects that the camera sees everytime it's fired up?

Also apart from the scene detection in camera what else do you plan to use the NPU for?

Does the view 10 have treble support?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] GedeonTaylor:
https://www.frequencycheck.com/mode...-standard-edition-dual-sim-td-lte-cn-bkl-al00

I think this is the right answer for you. :)

And I'm sure the NPU helps with battery life even if it has a large battery, it was built to function good. ?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] toske97:
about V10

Hello,

i am curious to know will Honor v10 just be launched in 6gb RAM/128gb storage, or will there be 4/64 and 6/64?

and what would price of those be? :)
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] PalakMi:
It depends on where you live. 4/64Gb is only available in China, while the EU/UK/US will get the 6/128Gb only. Price for the UK is 449£, for the EU is 499€ and it's still unknown what the price will be in the US (until Honor starts selling it there)
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] ZenkaBestia:
NPU Feature

Hello, i'm curious about this NPU for the future..

1. Can it make this phone possible have virtual assistance like Cortana or Siri that can communicate well with us ? Like you know, somebody love to talk with their virtual friend sometimes..

2. Can this NPU work like Jarvis in the Iron Man ? Like you know, sometimes i.e we are too lazy to turn on phone or scrolling page while we are eating with two hands but we need to read notifications from Social Media.

That's it, sorry if this too much.. ?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] iModStyle:
Is it necesery to have AI in android ?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] GedeonTaylor:
It makes the whole experience much better, user friendly!
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] fishnchips2:
What would you say are the main advantages of the Huawei Mate 10 pro over the Honor View 10? Are they worth the increase in price?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] zelendel:
With AI relying so much on learning from you how do you plan on handling the privacy concerns that will come up from it?

How will AI handle things when there is no data connection?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] ryanflow:
Hello honor,

Why have you chosen an LCD panel over amoled panel for the honor view 10?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] Toni Moon:
What version of android has? come with face recognition?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] daswahnsinn:
How will the AI change the way we use phones? Will it just make certain task easier and more productive? What would be the selling point to make me buy this phone over. What will be the selling price?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] coldfusionhybrid:
Can you give us 3 real-world detailed examples of how the AI processor makes things better as compared to chips without NPU?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] QiangGan:
We will release the kernel sources as soon as possible, you can obtain the latest message from honor official website.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] XDARoni:
Question from the Google form:

"How does the AI algorithm work for the camera on V10 by capturing 13 different types of scenes and objects? Does it uses 3D capture algorithm as well?"
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] jimbo187632:
What do you mean offline? It stores the translation dictionary on the device? How many languages does it support?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] technicalkishan:
Please Reply

Do phones really need a dedicated NPU to benefit from Machine learning?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] jrod28813:
Pricing

Will we ever see an NPU at a price range of the Honor 7x and if we do will honor be leading the charge to bring them into the United States?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] shashank1320:
Great question.

seems my question on Google form, asked today as well :good:
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] QiangGan:
Honor innovates and provides state-of-the-art products and variants based on our in-depth understanding of local customer needs and consumer behavior, ensuring that each market receives the best-fit model.

We provide different versions in different markets to optimize the resource of ROM in order to ensure smooth user

experience.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] technicalkishan:
Please Reply

What is the difference between Cloud based AI and On-device AI? How will they benefit Kirin 970 SOC?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] XDARoni:
Question from the Google form:

"Can the NPU play a major role in the daily usage of View10? Can the neutral network unit improve the performance of the device in a few days of usage?"
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] OrdenKrieger:
Does Honor like.. Apples?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] shashank1320:
Fair enough. Thats justifies and explained :good:
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] @Tech2143:
Hi

Honor View 10 , Does it bet OnePlus5T.?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] Hopper-Boy:
i want but i dont have money for order this phone :D
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] amulbaby:
AI chip vs Software code, limitations of processing power

Proud owner of Honor 8 pro here. Posting this from middle of East China Sea. Although I have limited connectivity, I hope this gets through to you.

Kudos to making incremental improvements in the world of mobile computing.

My question :

1. People always remember the first one to achieve something. Implementation of a dedicated neural processing unit is one such step that Huawei has led from forefront to take mobile computing powers into the future. Although at a rudimentary stage , with evolution and competition, it will become a standard very soon.

How does a NPU differ from what a software code can do in recognising and manipulating user preferences based on real world scenarios , especially with regards to power consumption?

2. We know roughly what it takes to train the AI controller to compute and recognise specific functions , what is the probability of a incorrect detection ?

3. Is there a way that these chips could replicate the idea and extend to other usage scenarios, like location based connectivity or mood based themes. And what could be the limitation of such neural based training?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] QiangGan:
Smartphones are different from servers in many respects, including size, power supply, power consumption, and heat management – all of which place restrictions on smartphone chipset design. Mobile SoCs have to deliver the best possible performance, while ensuring the highest possible density of core functions with optimal use of energy. The Kirin 970's development team designed this chip on a solid foundation of past breakthroughs, integrating the world's first NPU (Neural Network Processing Unit) specifically designed for a mobile device. This specialized processing unit, combined with Huawei's innovative HiAI mobile computing architecture, delivers an AI performance that far surpasses any CPU/GPU build. Compared to a quad-core Cortex-A73 CPU cluster, the Kirin 970's new heterogeneous computing infrastructure delivers 25x the performance with 50x greater efficiency. Simply put, the Kirin 970 chipset – with its embedded NPU – can perform the same AI computing tasks faster and with far less power. In a benchmark image recognition test, the Kirin 970 processed 33 images per second, which was several times greater than other chips on the market.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] quletadik23:
What is LTPS? and How good is it? compare to AMOLED, IPS, etc.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] Anonshe:
When will the Honor View 10 be released in Malaysia? Will it have the same warranty of a free glass replacement in the first three months like the Honor 8? If so, can this be extended instead to 1 free replacement within the warranty period instead of just 3 months?

What is the audio set-up of the View 10? Can I expect better speakers and better output via headphones compared to the Honor 8?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] ddrager:
Is the AI all processed locally on the phone or is any data sent back to servers for additional processing?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] Colossus96:
i just have one question.

why does your phones price so much. xiaomi offers relativly nice hardware for much less price than you but why does your phones costs so much.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] nkpatil1149:
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Which type of technology used for processor in your honor 10?

What size of it?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] developersam:
Is there any co–Engineering with The xda Community planed especially in case of developing custom roms. For example publishing the device tree, kernels and more? I am a little bit curious because honor did not help the community in case of the honor8 even they promised it. A answer would be lovely.

Greetings from Germany.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] technicalkishan:
ugly Camera hump

why there is a huge camera hump on the Honor View 10?. previous honor phones were having flat back camera
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] justforgot:
The question I have is a why doesn't honor create a messaging app built inside that works as a regular messaging application and sends messages over wifi and also supports video calling to the same phone of honor and possibly can download the same application on other phones in order to use this same features on the different phone. I think this would be a great idea in order to bring some customer because everyone loves messaging and talking with other. Another thing would be running games smooth for a long time and keep the device cold.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] ThomasTokyo:
Self-competition

Don't you fear that the honor V10 kills the sales of other kirin 970 processor smartphones like the Huawei mate 10/pro?

Too much different offers isn't too much?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] QiangGan:
As a brand born for young generation and trendsetters, Honor always places customers as our highest priority and strictly abides with all relevant laws. At Honor we never compromise user experience into other things.

And performance is the key to provide the best user experience. Every time we provide software update, we evaluate the performance in various key aspects including design, development, testing etc to ensure the best user experience.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] laikexpert:
Does this phone

have features such as App twin

and PrivateSpace, which are found on the mate 10?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] QiangGan:
• Honor View 10 is one of the first smartphones equipped with the advanced Kirin 970 chipsets and new NPU in the market.

• The Honor smartphone has a unique market positioning that appeals to heavy users, hardcore gamers and digital natives who are looking for superior performance, rich functionalities, stylish design as well as fun and creative uses. By combining a series of inspirational AI applications, exceptional camera, advanced battery technology and great affordability, Honor View 10 delivers extraordinary value to users that no other product in the market can match.

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We have an enormous database of camera scenes and objects for recognition, and the NPU training has been completed in our lab already. When you use the phone, it has already adopted the results from training in the lab, it doesn’t involve any user data to conduct real-time learning. So it doesn’t drag your smartphone's power consumption.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] iamsabresh:
Honor V10 & competition

Since Honor V10 is very similar to Mate 10 pro in terms of specs, what are the factors differentiating the both ? By the way, I love how you've kept the fingerprint scanner in the front, even with the 18:9 Full view display and that you've also used AI for face ID.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] QiangGan:
Actually honor has started the research on AI onboard device 5 years ago.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] Babu mani:
Kirin 970 made of 5.5billion transistors & npu has 1.5million transistors which is less den 3% of whole chip.do u think this tinya thing can save 50% of battery and increase 25% performance ? Kirin 970 itself a powerful chip with 10nm architecture and tis was enough to an powerful SOC instd of adding npu to 970
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] QiangGan:
It is the advantage of mobile AI which is not depending on network、bandwidth，even if you can make use of scene recognition ability of Photography in Airplane mode.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] ZVNexus:
Why would I want to buy this device over the rest, what makes it stand out? What benefits could it offer over phones from 2-3 years ago? Also, seeing as this phone supports Treble will the company be releasing AOSP ROMs for people to use if they want to use a stock ROM? I am sure the ROM that comes with the phone is great, but a lot of people much prefer stock. How long do you think this phone will be officially supported?

A lot of questions, sorry but curious.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] jrod28813:
The cameras

I've watched many reviews of the VIEW 10 and it looks like the View 10 beats the OP5T at pretty much everything except for the videos, due to the shakiness because of the lack of OIS and EIS. Will EIS be applied through a future update to fix this issue? with it I see the phone as a the king of the Mid-range category
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] QiangGan:
The AI based algorithm doesn’t conduct analysis 7/24. Plus we have the independent NPU processor, which actually helps improve the performance in power consumption to a new level.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] shashank1320:
1-How smart a camera can become with AI, which claims that it identifies 13 different types of scenes and objects? can a normal, user who doesnt know about pro photography, use this AI feature to produce excellent pictures or still need to rely on the pro mode of the camera?

2-Does it cover 3D objects recognition as well?

3-How secure is the face unlock on V10? Is there any 3d object recognition algorithm that takes care of it and prevent insecure access to it
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] hachamacha:
Has this phone been developed with the developer community in mind? Will it be bootloader unlockable? Will there be full source&kernel src provided? What type of encryption will be used? FS types?

Sorry if this has been covered. I'm just noticing the thread right now and only have a moment, not enough time to read the questions prior. Much appreciate if you get to this at all. ;)
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] justforgot:
Does the new NPU processing help process better pictures like google's HDR+ making it next best camera?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] QiangGan:
The NPU provides better AI performance. We plan to open the powerful NPU computing ability to the third party developers later. We look forward to more AI apps to bring the customer a richer AI experience.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] p41jokun:
ust by looking at this picture of Honor View 10 was mesmerizing, oh god it was a wonderful device. I bet the look and feel more amazing with real device. Theres one question tat always came out every time i see an honor phone, what the name of 'honor' font? Its lovely to see:o.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] Furquaniqubal:
My question about honor view 10

What we can pull out - out of a AI based processor.??

What is its limit?

What are the things that make this chip so different from snapdragon chipset
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] QiangGan:
Honor began to explore the possibility of applying artificial intelligence to the smartphone quite a while ago (in 2012). We then brought our research effort to the market at our anniversary event in 2016 with the Honor Magic, which breaks new ground by incorporating artificial intelligence designed to understand and analyze users’ data in order to provide intelligent interactive features. This is a great example of Honor’s commitment to exploring frontier areas of technology.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] Dave003:
Why there isn´t a Honor View 10 with 8GB of RAM? :)
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] technicalkishan:
thanks for reply, it was helpful
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] iamsabresh:
Future projects

1) Considering you've trained the NPU to detect 13 presets, is there any updates coming to expand the capability of the AI enabled camera ?

2) With the V10 launched, what are your future plans for the phone on the software front ?

3) What are your future projects that are in connection with the V10, like AI development, software & EMUI development, etc ?
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] QiangGan:
Yes, Honor View 10 boasts all these features.
[Honor View 10 Questions & Answers] punchytoe:
Great.....Honor has once again launched a new phone....but the first i heared about it that it has NPU and AI i had to do a quick google to know about these terms. Honor is a big brand in India and is growing in fast pace but most of the Indian smartphone users are not very aware of these new technologies NPU etc. I want to know that what will the effect of the new innovations that Honor has implemented in its brand new flagship device on the normal day to day smartphone users in India or people from all over the globe who are not tech savvy ? what in simple terms what a common user will find in using new honor view with AI processor different from any other normal smartphone .....