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[LG G6 Questions and Answers] atop727:
I think you're way too mean, cool down

It's not like you call a person "****head" just because your phone doesn't receive updates
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] adamsek:
If only he didn't pay full price for the g6 as a flagship , there is nothing to really complain. High end processor, wide angle , on stress battery life is also good. I am hitting 7h SOT at max , you will never have this on a budget smartphone as LG G6 is priced now.

I bought it for 400 euro and find it good decision, which may evolve to very good as soon as we finally get this enterprise program.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] sp_1st_timer:
I suspect the Oreo delays have something to do with mitigating the Meltdown and Spectre vulnerabilities made public last month. Rushing to fix and release could lead to disasters like what happened to many Windows computers after they rushed to send their updates without thoroughly testing the fix.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
You know that I called ****head the Product manager of LG Italy because the huge amount of bull**** it say every year to any blog? I've not insulted a user here, so I don't see why I should calm down, tell me.

And, also, keep telling me why there are so many people ok with this kind of behavior.

Battery is good for YOU, under mobile signal (which is still bugged as hell in weak signal areas) it's hard for me to reach 3 hours of SOT.

Meltdown vulnerabilitiy doesn't involve Snapdragon 821, and Spectre has already been "mitigated" with 5 Jan security patch, patch that we have not received yet.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
I'd really like to have a possibility to discuss with him of their policies, but to me, a normal costumer, it's impossible.

Now, tell me, he can insults all of their costumers with their behavior but i can't call him ****head? Are you serious? Now, you didn't even answer to my question, why there are people like you that defends this kind of behavior?
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] adamsek:
Oh dear , i've just found out that you are living in some kind of town which is nearly 9 times smaller than mine but also my signal is not the best due to they find my town is not big enough so maybe that the issue , if there is not enough people living why your operator would bother providing better signal? Life is unfair and will always be. Grow up and be a real man.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
It's not really a problem of the operators, I live in countryside, so in certain places, like where I work, signal strength is weak because natural obstacles. But in the same place a S8+ normally reaches 6h of SOT in the with the same operator... I asked to a friend of mine which is a blogger here in Italy and he told me that both G6 and V30 have a weaker antenna than competitors.

Otherwise, under wifi, battery is really great.

I wait for Oreo also because it should fix some of the idle drains present on Nougat xD
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] adamsek:
And that's the reason why their price are lower every month. It's all about the money i did not wanted to spend more than 400 euro and for that PRICE i can't find anything better.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
Yeah, for 400 is not bad, but this doesn't justify the late updates
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] adamsek:
LG had a hard time. I still want refer to LG Poland employee , he said that they are still feel in charge of g4 bootloops which were wide enough to generate lot of problems which led to other bad decisions and in 2018 they want to do a fresh start and show that they can handle smartphones market. Remeber that lg has a lot of branches and only mobile one had financial difficulties.

Edit: also January security patch was delivered in January , at least for me xD.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
Yeah, i know, but presenting a G7 with the same notch found on all the other competitors, reduce the battery, and beeing late with updates it's not how you should have a "good start" for 2018, I really hope that Evleaks is wrong about "G7"...
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] adamsek:
G7 was not offically announced , and it may not even has that name. Project was said to be cancelled and sent to rebuild , but someone managed to see the protype.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
Prototype which Evleaks confirmed to be the real flagship, and it's rare for him to be wrong unfortunately...
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] adamsek:
I know what you mean , but https://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g7-video It means that what they saw has nothing to do with final release.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] sp_1st_timer:
Qualcomm announced last Jan 8 that their processors are affected. Where did they claim that the Snapdragon 821 is not among those affected? Also, the 845 release is delayed due to the Meltdown & Spectre issue. Are you saying they made the older 821 more secure than the new 845?
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
Because 821 use ARM cores that are not affected from meltdown, like 835. And yes, 845 is affected by meltdown because ARM Cortex A75 is affected, and, afaik, there is no delay for 845 since first devices are coming in a few days (S9/S9+) and in the next month (XZ2/XZ2 Compact).

Here it is a list of Spectre and Meltdown affected CPUs if you want to take a look: https://www.techarp.com/guides/complete-meltdown-spectre-cpu-list/4/#arm
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Oniska:
Let's celebrate that Google released a stable version of Oreo 7 Months ago! :)
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] sp_1st_timer:
That list says the 835 is vulnerable to #1 and #2 variants of the Spectre. It is also noted there the list is "Not Exhaustive", which means there are

other

affected chips not included in the list.

But I hope you are right about the 821 not affected by those security flaws, because the "fix" they could do is going to reduce the performance of the device significantly. Imagine making your phone as slow as the fastest phones from 7 years ago.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
I think that you misunderstood my post, i said that 821, like 835, is not affected by meltdown vulnerability, which is present on 845 thanks to Cortex A75 (listed as vulnerable).

For spectre, well, almost every soc of the past 20 years is vulnerable to that, also ours, but it need an hardware fix which has not been implemented yet on any cpu (probably first will be 2019 ones: Zen2, Intel 9th gen and new ARM Cortex).

Now, meltdown can be fixed definetely trough a software patch (included in the 5th January patch), but as you said it bring, in some operations, a huge downgrade in performance. Spectre, instead, can only be "mitigated" trough software (mitigation included in the 5th january patch) and it doesn't impact performance.

I hope to have brought to a more clear vision of these vulnerabilities :)
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] manuel79:
raffaele cinquegrana of lg italia replied to the fact that they blocked me and the delays of oreo simply saying that it is not his business but that will ask in the company, one that speaks in public for Italy and then tells a customer that it is not what is it? Crazy? Schizophrenic? Double personality? No as Killua says just one ..... Killua is right. Lg shameful
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
Funny thing about the "delayed" Oreo update for both V30 and G6, Cinquegrana stated that they did it for bringing AI on both LG flaghsips in order to get better results with the camera, guess what? It does change nothing: https://www.gsmarena.com/lg_v30_vs_v30s_camera-review-1733.php
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Colt1255:
Hi im a new user of LG. I have question about support. Is any chance to get android 9 after update to 8.1 in future? How LG support their devices?
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
This year there were major changes on LG Mobile behavior so, who knows.

Probably we'll receive it thanks to the Android Enterprise program, but looking to what they've done to G4 (they've released a polish beta and nothing else) i wouldn't be sure.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] MDW 100:
They may surprise us with a quick update like they always used to. If not, by that time I'll probably just flash an Android 9 based custom ROM after my warranty period's up. I imagine others will do the same... Repeat until probably Android 10, then ROMs will probably stop officially supporting it. I have a feeling and a hope that this phone's going to last a long time in the dev community like most high end LG phones.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] adamsek:
Oh no , does it mean that every one elese has oreo?
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
Every 2017 flagship phone apart from Note 7 and LGs.

Btw I don't know why post that graph, it's not useful to the discussion xD
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] adamsek:
G6 was never real flagship beyond LG dreams of course. In my opinion LG since LG G2 have never shown smartphone that could have been fully trusted , so why would you bother buying G6 if you demand flagship? From my perspective first G3 should be called G2S. G4 was total disaster , G5 should be some spinoff and G6 was still not fully featured with 835. So is it that in smartphone industry they are struggling for a lot of years?How could you omitted it?
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
So, now, G6 is not a flagship and does not deserve the same support? There is limit to your excuses? XD

I bought G6 because I've always been with LG, and after G5 I thought that it would have receive Oreo in November.

If I could go back I wouldn't buy it again.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] adamsek:
If we go back even further you can see that https://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_g_e975-4941.php	Android 4.1.2 (Jelly Bean), upgradаble to 4.4.2 (KitKat) and his nexus 4 brother was featured with Android 4.2 (Jelly Bean), upgradable to 5.1 (Lollipop). I don't get it. Why people think that LG can deliver update like others, when they always stopped early.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
Because both G2 and G3 received two major updates, only G4 didn't, and G5 was one of the first devices to receive Nougat, that's why.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] adamsek:
G5 received it only because of poor sales to encourage customers who said they never trust LG after G4. As i mentioned before , they still haven't fully recovered from that bootloop issue.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
You can prove that's for it? I really think not, and, guess what? Probably G4 without the bootloop updates would have received official RC of Nougat, and not just the polish beta.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] adamsek:
No one is gonna tell you that straightforwardly , but you can estimate , that when they say , that G6 is made to last longer due to some "military certification", from marketing slang to normal words it means your phone, not gonna die and you can wait xD.

P.S Yesterday i was outside for longer time(in Poland for now is very cold for some reason) and my battery reached 15 Celsius , screen was a bit blurry but still working xD.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
They also said the G4 would have received Nougat before the end of 2017, that's why a stopped believing in what they say, moreover after the 4-5 months of no-updates on G6 and now, that we're in March but still vulnerable to Spectre.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] px1396:
Correct, LG can't be trusted
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] adamsek:
By the time they declared nougat most of g4 were broken xD. You can still buy some for very low price in "flawless" condition which can last up to 4 months and then sudden death xD.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] ralaud:
Fortunately, I got the LG G6 for 330 euro at black friday discount. But thats no excuse, a flagship smartphone is not worth to buy, if the company do not attach importance to software.

When I bought it, I thought that LG deliver faster updates than Samsung ... :silly:

And why LG do not allow to unlock bootloader for all phone models (https://www.xda-developers.com/lg-v30-bootloader-unlock-us998u/)?
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Mikes:
It's not up to them.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] jurastefo:
I had LG G4 almost 2 years but update policy was horrible. I bought LG G6 and supposed that support will be great but it was big mistake. My opportunities say that no new update, nougat will be final version for this phone,maybe some security patching.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] wakari_mayo:
Your what? You must be kidding :confused:
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] ralaud:
I would like to know who have to allow bootloader unlock. It is up to whom?

This article from XDA is saying LG need to provide a bootloader unlock https://www.xda-developers.com/lg-v30-bootloader-unlock-us998u/ .

Quoted from the XDA article:

So codes from LG are needed to unlock a bootloader.

Could you provide a source for your statement or is that only a thought?
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
It's up to LG decing it, but if the US998U is a "reseller's exclusive" maybe it's the reseller itself that doesn't want it.

Maybe it'll in a few months, who knows, after all they waited so much time to work on AI for photos (according to gsmarena it was a really bad choice) and haven't release Spectre mitigation patch for G6 or Oreo...

Who knows what's going on their minds xD
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] ralaud:
Thanks for your information :)

It would be ok for me if Oreo will be released a bit later, but you're right. A big company like LG should at least inform their customers. Not to communicate with customers is the worst that a company can do. You can even read in that thread, so many members of XDA do regret it now, that they bought a LG G6. However it seems like LG like it to lose customers. :confused:
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] ralaud:
Seems like we are getting closer to Oreo update, https://www.xda-developers.com/lg-g6-kernel-sources-android-oreo-korea/ :fingers-crossed:

I hope so.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] nikhilrathi10:
Finally T-Mobile updated the status of Oreo for its G6 but still no eta.

https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-37291
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Kal2027:
So it's Android 8.0, not 8.1 ?
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
Yep, it was already confirmed by the released kernel source for G600
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Mikes:
Did you find the hidden message in the kernel source? :eek: Care to share the source of this information?
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lgg6/comments/82hzj5/kernel_sources_released_for_the_lg_g6_korean/dva9jpo
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Mikes:
Why should I trust some random dude from reddit (no offense)? He has no authority to state such a thing. Besides, companies tend to release old sources before the update, for instance - Huawei.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Viper43:
I'm with you on that however my S8+ had the 835 and it was actually slower that my G6. On my S8+ I had to go into dev options and change all animation scales to .5 to get the speed I wanted and I don't have to do it with this phone. Of course depending on how heavy the manufacturers skin is (and TouchWiz is heavy). makes a big difference. I have the unlocked Sprint variant and there is no Sprint bloatware at all. My phone is plenty fast for only have the SD 821.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
Random dude from reddit? Are you serious? Maybe you should check out who is developing G6's LOS before calling him "random dude from reddit"
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] adamsek:
It seems that from 2018 they want to become best software , firmware company. Yesterday was some update of their apps and you guessed it , he drew only 3% of power overnight. Have never happened to me before. If only that new CEO finally cure they company from all the issues faced by user I finally could love them again . In conclusion every single update make this phone faster and faster and faster.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
Samsung with snapdragon are not a good comparison for checking performance since they always performe worse than competitors and the Exynos version (who knows why ahahahahahaha).
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Mikes:
It doesn't matter what he's developing, as long as he's not LG official he can't say for sure what will they do. Regarding the subject he's still some random dude with his assumptions. We all are like that, we can speculate but nothing is for sure. I will not believe anything without evidence. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for the work he (and others) is doing and for the information people are sharing.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] liushangrong:
It should be a beta version, I can not know too much. Just an unexpected discovery.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Anarchist77:
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[LG G6 Questions and Answers] temporarium:
Fake news.

It's no longer to any manufacturer's advantage to update any device. They're becoming disposable, especially since people are willing to buy every new device that comes out. See OnePlus, Samsung, Apple, LG... Why bother prolonging a life of a device when they make more money selling new ones...

Devices with Treble or a dedicated developer community are the only hope.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] DMart9406:
If they saw our disapointment they would have updated long ago ?
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] jshames:
I think its basically a cost benefit calculation for them. Apple, on one hand, has a limited number of devices to support that all use a known standard and known hardware specs. As we all know, this does not exist in the Android world. So it seems that the investment in software development budget and effort required for individual manufacturers to keep up with Google's updates, with all of the different models and markets and carriers, is greater than the benefit. Its just that much easier for Apple, given their "closed" paradigm.

Also, I think that the rate of updates is somewhat exaggerated by the competition pressure between IOS and Android. Each one is trying to claim the latest and greatest, but in the end, is Oreo really that much different than Marshmallow? Is IOS 11 much different than 9?

From what I've read about Oreo, there really isn't anything revolutionary. My son has a Nexus 5x running Oreo, and its still just a freakin' phone. Oh yes, it boots a little faster, and even that probably won't last over time. It doesn't do the dishes or make me smoothies :)

Having said all of that I expect that we have a 50% or better chance of getting Oreo, but LG is in no rush.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Vecko:
Battery issues persist

No matter what the update will be I don't understand why after 3 updates so far lg g6 has still huge phone idle battery drain?..Is it a hardware or a software issue? Can any software update fix this battery problem? I write this post from my samsung j7 2016 same android version but the samsung experience feels like running on the android Q ?
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
Seems more an aesthetics bug, so the phone idle is not really drain your battery but it just means that your phone has been in idle for a while.

If you kinda feel to have some battery problems check it out with BetterBatteryStats, mind that if you usually have battery drain with mobile signal is the G6 antenna which sucks, under WiFi you should easily do 4 hours SOT.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] mrbeem:
What I'm most interrested about when it comes to oreo is overal phone performance. It's proven that the update has improved the galaxy s8 performance, so i'm wondering if we shall se the same regarding our G6s. Not that I'm complaining about my phone's performance on Nougat (it is super smooth with Fulmics onboard and LG RCT disabled) but it certainly is interresting if oreo can squeeze more out of the G6.

And about battery drain.... I charged my phone up to 100% around 3 hours ago and atm it is at 99%
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Krysdyan:
The drop from 100 to 99% always takes a while.

My G6 got moderate battery life, get 4h of sot most time when using over 2 days.

If I would drain the battery on one day I guess I would get around 6-7 hours
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Vecko:
Does changing old sim card from my lg g3 2014 phone will strenghten mobile signal and reduce battery drain?
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
It's not the Sim card the problem, but the weak G6 antenna and the bad LG software in switching between networks in weak signal conditions.

You can try, but i don't it will work
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Frau Son:
It's a Chinese site. And the screenshots are Chinese as well, it's not Korean (=not from LG).

I don't know about y'all, but I wouldn't give too much about that.

As long as I don't see any site in Hangul talking about an Oreo beta I won't trust anyone.

I'm sure we'll get the update sooner or later, until then we have Fulmics or (if you guys really, desperately need Oreo) the first Betas of LineageOS.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Vecko:
Maybe its the cell tower signal that is weak or the old mobile operator technology? I changed 3 phones with the same sim card..does changing new sim card affect mobile signal and cause less battery drain?
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Szumy:
http://bbs.gfan.com/android-9198254-1-1.html

Chinese Oreo for G6, I didn't install it. But I am curious what that is.

Wysłane z mojego LG-H870 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
As I already said is not a sim problem, it's the G6 antenna that it is weak compared to other smartphones, also LG software doesn't work good in low signal conditions, in fact it keeps switching between Al the compatible networks draining the battery.

If you think that's the Sim go and change it, if it's not then there is no way to solve the problem but to buy another device with better antenna like Samsungs or HTCs
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] S1611:
With V30 getting official Oreo within a month of beta program and no mention of G6, im losing hope. We will get the oreo but what is important is the time frame within which it will roll out. With locked bootloader we are pretty much stuck with stock rom. ZTE Axon (a discontinued phone) will be getting Oreo in April. Oneplus 5 getting official Oreo, S8 already has 4 beta builds, HTC getting oreo, sony already got it. Looks like LG is late to the party.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] nawialkair:
v30 got oreo so the g6 is next

hopefully before 2018
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
Before 2018? It's kinda unrealistic don't you think? XD
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] vitoski:
He meant before 2019 [emoji3]
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
Lol :D
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Killua96:
The evidence is what he found inside the official LG's Oreo source, if you're skilled enough you could check yourself.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] Vasishta Reddy:
Even I own both LG G6 and S8+ (exynos) both are fast enough. Previously I owned a S7edge (snapdragon 820) verizon , that phone was my worst nightmare over heating , laggy and random reboot's. My Oneplus 3 is light a head of Lg G6 and S8+ in terms of speed and battery drain ?.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] adamsek:
Here is the file from this kernel build , you can read what version it uses. Maybe this release was just a signal that 8.0 is already finished and they moved to 8.1 who knows , anyway we still have nothing xD.
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] ralaud:
Even open source software development is much faster than LG's update policy.

While the developers from LG will be paid. ?

No wonder that so less people buy generally a LG smartphone compared to Samsung, Sony, etc. .
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] mrbeem:
In US, Verizon V30 just got an update to Oreo. The G6 from same provider has had an update as well, but just february security patch, no Oreo. Seriously... LG is going to lose soooo many customers over treating G6 users like some kind of worse sort... I know I'm not buying LG as my next phone because of that and i know I'm not the only one feeling this way. :/
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] adamsek:
Maybe it come at April maybe later , maybe never xD. Remember what happened to lg g4? Some people are still waiting for their update xD it was not officially cancelled
[LG G6 Questions and Answers] anth0nymDROID:
Because he is one of the Devs for the device ;) look him up [MENTION=7600152]EvilHowl[/MENTION]