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[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] bad6089:
Any solution for stuck at logo for very long time?
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] a_swed:
works well for all three days, good customization but still clean, without any external apps I don't wanna use (yup, AEX)
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Debodyuti:
Does it support Volte?
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] undertakerx95:
For now there no oreo rom support volte for Mi5 if it does that will be written in the first page.

PLEASE STOP ASKING ABOUT VOLTE!!
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] IsirisVN:
You need format data (lost all data on sd card)
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] areq1987:
Best of available Oreos ROM for our mi5 so far. I hope navigation buttons will be customised in the near future.

Wysłane z mojego MI 5 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Phil_Smith:
Damn smooth, fast and stable rom! Battery is amazing also. Look at those stats! Yesterday we used my phone to play music all night long. Youtube and whatever. Think this might be the best result for battery endurance ever! Seems like I won't have to charge my phone for two complete days whenever I use it much and it might well be three full days with low usage. Wow!

Huge compliment to [MENTION=7273765]Dzienny[/MENTION] !
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Phil_Smith:
Accu Battery
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] lomniom:
Which firmware are you using with? I don't get this with 20171228.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Phil_Smith:
The same one actually
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] lomniom:
OK. In this case I will need to find out what drained my battery then. Thank you for the info. I'm also waiting for the update which the dev said will arrive today. But it's new year. Let him rest. Lol.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Phil_Smith:
Nice! A happy new year present :) Keep us updated if you find your draining cause.

As you see for me this rom is a total beast
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Dzienny:
For better battery results i suggest you try with Pwrutilx gov (use Kernel Adiutor or exkm for that)

Sorry, but no new build today. I've some problems with that, so i didn't released. I will push fixed build asap.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Phil_Smith:
Thanks for letting us know!
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Francesco1993:
error 20 flashig gapps

Guys I have problem flashing gapps... I chose arm64 8.0 micro and flashing twrp brings error 20. what version did you flash? Do I make some mistake or may be a twrp problem? I have 3.1

thank you for your great work :good::highfive::highfive:
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Frits28:
Try 8.1.

It might be working better on a 8.1 ROM.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Francesco1993:
Where can i download It, in opengapps site it is not available
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Phil_Smith:
Newest twrp version is 3.2.1.

To avoid problems start off with updating it:

https://dl.twrp.me/gemini/

Then here you'll find gzr gapps:

https://androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=189325

Select Oreo 8.1.x for arm64.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] areq1987:
Any chance to decrease some scrolling speed?

Btw pwrutilx governor causes lags shedutil is super smooth.

Wysłane z mojego MI 5 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Phil_Smith:
I have now set the big cluster to pwrutilx and left the small one with schedutil.

Smooth till now. If battery is even better now, I'll post later.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] PetritH:
Anyone having problems with Magisk newest one? It asks me for root permissions everytime I open an rooted app, even though i granted permission to that app?

Thanks.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Phil_Smith:
I'm on 5.5.3 manager and 15.2 magisk from today and I'm not having this problem.

5.5.2 with 15.1 though gave me a strange issue, as suddenly magisk manager kept fcing all the time.

Couldn't solve it any other way than installing a lower version. But then fortunately the new one was released a few minutes later and everything's okay now.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] areq1987:
Yeah, really good idea!

Wysłane z mojego MI 5 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] eternal70:
Try to uninstall the app, and download magisk manager from official thread. It's working for me, but right now the magisk app won't opened. At least the root permission works fine
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] IlhamPrabaswara:
What is Adaptive Icons feature does?

Also how do I change the icons to stock android icons?

This ROM is pretty stable for a beta release though
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] gjooro:
Does the kernel support kcal (color control)?

Also, is there custom led light adjustment like in some 7.1.2 roms?
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ergysramaj:
Which firmware should i use and does any have the latest firmware for mi5 ?
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Elares:
Thanks for this ROM. Seems to be the best Oreo ROM so far!

Sadly, I'm having issues with GPS/compass. Anyone else?

Compass does not seem to work at all, GPS does not get a fix with 0-2 satellites in view, none connected, though.

/Edit:

I don't know about kcal, but Kernel Adiutor color control works perfectly.

Regarding firmware: I'm on 14/12/17, afaik.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Mahmoudinos:
Can I get more than 4 hours in SOT without power saving mode ?
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Phil_Smith:
Yup, latest is good. Here you go:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18_gFYxCV7YNqjx8B5c7ir52oj13ZcoBs/view?usp=drivesdk
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] PetritH:
Nobody can answer you that question, it depends on usage, not everyone use the phone same way.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] sp1nach:
Hello,developers.There is a big problem when i wearing headphones listening music in the night at a quiet envirment.Even i set the volume at the first level,it's still very loud to me,so,if you can decrease the volume?i think we need a lower volume to protect our listening.:rolleyes:thanks:fingers-crossed:
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] giar72:
Hi,

notifications volume?
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Camilo Olivares:
Hi dev, thanks for your awesome work, i installed today and woking fine. I have a little problem: cant change the theme in Settings/Display/Theme. No matter what theme i choose, the phone always is themed with the default theme. I made a clean installation (even with internal wipe), no custom kernels or root methods, all clean, only using Nova Launcher Prime. Any clues? TIA

EDIT: Solved! in System theme style..... My bad, sorry for the spam
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Mahmoudinos:
Random apps like Facebook, messenger, chrome, YouTube etc wifi/3g and low brightness! (No gaming)
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Phil_Smith:
Also [MENTION=4663412]areq1987[/MENTION]

Check out the screenshot.

I have a similar usage behaviour as you [MENTION=7535821]Mahmoudinos[/MENTION] and I get that sot easily.

Although petritH is right. Noone can tell, it depends on so many things.

General usage, how often you wake your phone, health of your battery, changes in kernel progs, and so on.

As you can see the idle drain is unreal!

Set big cluster to pwrutilx and small cluster to schedutil to compromise between smoothness and battery (also I'm not a gamer).

Would also post more stats, but OS didn't reset my stats after a full charge and AccuBattery did so after a reboot...
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Mahmoudinos:
No, I mean by default without a custom kernel
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Phil_Smith:
Here is another peak in my sot (but with both clusters set to schedutil, which comsumes more):

click

This and my previous post should really give you a solid idea.

If you want my guess still, I'd say you're gonna get good sot, but now it's really up to you to try it out on your own :cowboy:
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ergysramaj:
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/googl...-wallpaper-picker-8-1-0-android-apk-download/

Install that in system / priv / set permissions than chose from settings / display / wallpaper / livewallpaper ...

Live data don't seem to work tho :(
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] 4uvak91:
Seems like there is a video bug with instagram and snapchat, can't send videos...
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] :
Thanks!!
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] mafish:
First time i try Android Oreo and this is an awesome ROM!!!

Ultra light-weight and fast! Also on my first charge i've got great battery life

Wish i could turn off light buttons on the display, and more custom LED notifications (turn off the led while charging), but so far this is great!

Keep the great work developers :D
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ergysramaj:
Does the navigation bar work?

I can't seem to be able to turn it on :(
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Phil_Smith:
With a root file explorer (or command line) go to /#/system/ and mount as r/w.

Then edit build.prop and insert this line at the end:

qemu.hw.mainkeys=0

Reboot

To disable the changes just change 0 to 1 or delete the line and reboot.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] :
I have the same issue here.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] sreerajks:
Hardware button backlight ?

Thanks for the ROM.....

how to turn off hardware button backlight without root ?
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] :
Flash this Magisk zip
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ahmad_m.azam:
Rom is exceptionally well optimised, but i got a battery percentage issue, i have a fast charger 3.0, if i unplugg my device at 40 it will stay at 40 for too long . while the device is not at 40 coz i have charged it more than 1 hour. If device is turned off and i put plug charger it does not show percentage .
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Molt Sirius:
Does anyone know how can i move to homescreen without pushing the button (just with touch). Is it available?
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] fridrik:
If possible, you can add App Ops in the Galaxy section and sound of the notifications separate from the ringtone?

Thanks for this great rom. Great sot and super fast.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ulaon:
Yes it's available in Galaxy additional settings section
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Mauro5x:
This ROM looks great but, in this period I don't have a lot of time for modding so I need a quite-stable ROM. Is it good for daily use? Thanks in advance
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Molt Sirius:
Galaxy settings cosmic 8.1.0

"Does anyone know how can i move to homescreen without pushing the button (just with touch). Is it available?"

I was looking for this option in that place and I do not see it. Can you halp me?
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ulaon:
Sorry mate I have mislead you, it is under system/additional buttons
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] :
What bugs have you found that are "not stable enough" ?
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Plabon7:
The best OREO rom so far i've used. No serious issues except battery life. Though far better than other oreo rom available for now?
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Phil_Smith:
How's battery life an issue for you?

Can you post stats?

Idle drain gets as low as 0.16%/h in average over a day and also no heat, huge drain when doing whatever, even gaming. Easy 2-3 days without charging for me.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Mahmoudinos:
What's the best ROM in term of battery life, this ROM or Slim7, I am on LOS 14.1 for now and I get between 4~5h in SOT, and how much can I get in SOT without any tweak or custom kernel just the ROM by default!
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] mafish:
This is my battery life so far, which is great for me! Last all day long, wifi/mobile data mix.

Only thing is when in use it kinda drains a bit fast, but hopefully they release a new version.

And im really enjoying Android Oreo, best android so far!
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] lomniom:
Given most of the feedbacks here, I can assure you that this Rom is STABLE.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Plabon7:
20% overnight drop for me
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] :
Lol it says 54% apps, check what app its causing it. Its your fault
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] 4uvak91:
Substratum seems to work on this ROM btw. Applied on Instagram and Snapchat and some system apps, not issues yet.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] kisbr.:
it's definitely not stable. there is still a major bug which you can't upload videos doesn't matter what app(Instagram, snapchat, messaging apps), etc.

hope it gets fixed on the next build but after all a good ROM!
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ahmad_m.azam:
Mate, i had same issue as you. The problem with Rom it is not giving permission to Apps. Do it manually .

For example.

I was posting a video on instagram but it was giving error. I went to App settings on instagram and gave all the permission required. And then i was able to post a video. I hope it will solve your issue.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ergysramaj:
Something wrong with Snapchat ... It has all the permissions but can't send videos .

All others work fine.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] :
Yeah, same for instagram
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] HmMarques:
This Rom as an outstanding battery life when in standby..

I have 51% and leave it for about an our or more.. when I turned it on its still with 51%

No other Rom as ever done this.. dunno how but when screen is one drainage is way faster..

Still, it's nice for daily use.. since 7 am I got now 50% battery with 2:52 hour SOT

Not bad at all, considering its still a beta version [emoji6]

Enviado do meu MI 5 através do Tapatalk
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Dzienny:
Cosmic-OS by [MENTION=7273765]Dzienny[/MENTION]

INFO: Clean flash is mandatory in this update!!!

https://sourceforge.net/projects/co...mini_8.1.0_20180105_3.1-OFFICIAL.zip/download

No OTA with this update, because clean flash is needed.

Changelog:

- Cosmic is now HMP with Priima Kernel (thanks [MENTION=5454206]vidrik[/MENTION]dev for great job)

- CAF Hals (thanks [MENTION=3639510]DennySPB[/MENTION])

- More extra settings (like Navbar toggle/customization, Network traffic, App Ops, Heads Up, HW buttons settings, Clear battery stats and more)

- Fixed Quick Charge

- Fixed H+ icon on some devices

- New Gallery app (Snapdragon Gallery)

- A few other things I forgot about

Known bugs:

- DON'T USE "ENABLE BUTTON BACKLIGHT" OPTION IN SETTINGS IF U DON'T WANT TO LOST BUTTON BACKLIGHT

- Recorder app, screen recorder sometimes work, unfortunelly sound recorder not.

- VoLTE

- Tell me if you find something

/edit

Some users have problems with GZR GAPPS. I suggest you to use this one: https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=745849072291693774

It should be fine.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] areq1987:
Why not EAS?

Wysłane z mojego MI 5 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] heyylo:
Why not EAS²?? the ROM was so good.... anyways..
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Dzienny:
Unfortunelly I've big problems with run it on EAS (because new, CAF hals). That's why there wasn't update for a long time, I tried to fix it, but without effects. Don't worry, Priima doing good work too and will be better with new updates. :)
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] HmMarques:
Tried clean install 2 times, always give error on GZgapps on first boot.

Had to back to previous build with clean install and all is fine..

Enviado do meu MI 5 através do Tapatalk
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Dzienny:
Read /edit message.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] HmMarques:
Thanks, but those from edit gave error 64..
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] kisbr.:
it's because he gave gapps for arm devices, and MI5 is arm64. the correct gapps should be this one: https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=745849072291693774 [MENTION=7273765]Dzienny[/MENTION]
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] 4uvak91:
Get arm64 if you have arm64 cpu.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] HmMarques:
I'm downloading now arm64..

I've followed [MENTION=7273765]Dzienny[/MENTION] link before and didn't notice it was not arm64

Enviado do meu MI 5 através do Tapatalk
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Dzienny:
Oh right, my bad. Sorry.

Changed link in post.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Francesco1993:
updating

PRO

- system is very fast and stable

CONS

- I soffered some crash of SETTING app while trying to uninstall some apps

- impossibility to set my VOICE MATCH on google now to use "ok google" from every screen

- unable to pair in appropriate way to my Amazfit Watch (only 1 time it paired but the watch didn't receive notification)

so i tryed another time with a different rom and it worked - maybe only a compatibility problem because bluetooth work fine with other devices, mah:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] hans william:
Thank for the review, I like to try
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] dreamedofworld:
AFAIK, Voice Match won't work with pico GApps. You need nano or above.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ergysramaj:
On my mi5 ok/hey google works fine on any screen besides when screen if off :(
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Francesco1993:
Thanks man:highfive::highfive::D going to try
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Noname18:
Last update

So I need to full wipe again system data to install the new update?
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] 4uvak91:
Yes
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Noname18:
Ok thanks
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ciortino:
but does not audio recording work with WhatsApp? times for solving the problem? thanks for the great work you do
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Dzienny:
1. Do you use backup to restore Whatsapp with data after clean wipe? If yes, then reinstall app.

2. Check permissions.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ciortino:
followed the suggestions but it does not work
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Dzienny:
Could you send me logcat with that problem on PM?
[Xiaomi Mi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] LsYrSlf:
I have the same exact problem with WhatsApp and Telegram too.
[Galaxy S III Mini Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] netoh02:
I´ve tried to go into download mode, recovery mode but It doesn´t even shows the samsung logo.

When I connect the charger it does say that is charging (offline charging)

Can anyone help me with this? :confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] funkadesi:
hi there,

Im currently a wizard user and i love it, only 2 drawbacks are Lack of GPS and a slow processor. Ive been reading up alot on the tilt lately and heres what i found...

1 - the video/graphics problem still exists

2 - Red Light of death is a COMMON problem

ill be buying this phone from ebay, and unlocking it for T-mobile (USA) since i wont be under AT&ts warranty, i have no way of knowing the RLOD will ever hit me.... so i cant exchange a dead kaiser/tilt

So i ask you tilt users to advise me...... thanks in advance
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] WatermelonSlim:
Will the data work on T-Mobile's 3G when they launch it this summer?

Is there any way to use the front facing camera (video call or some sort of messenger, whatever) on T-Mobile?

What about the push to talk- will that work on T-Mobile?

T-Mobile is so much cheaper than AT&T, and I really want a Kaiser, preferably an unbranded one with front facing camera...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Steve-C:
Not a tilt user, mine is an o2 (UK) branded Kaiser. I was a HTC Universal user and loved that. What prompted me to upgrade (apart from the fact the upgrade was free!) was the intergrated GPS and larger memory. I'm very pleased with my little Kaiser in comparison to the size of the Uni and love having everything onboard.

But the million dollar question really is what do you use your Wizard for?

For me, it's a bit of Internet use (love Opera Mobile) over WiFi, ebook reading, PIM, MP3 player, email, skype over Wifi, gaming (but nothing much more intensive than solitaire). I use TomTom don't seem to suffer from the jerky graphics as much as others, and having the GPS onboard is priceless, cos I know that the 1 day I would really need it, I'd have left the external GPS at home with the Uni! I have watched some videos, but I've re-encoded them to a lower bitrate, yes the Kaiser does have issues with high bitrate video's. However on balance, the higher internal memory and integrated GPS means my Kaiser does everything my Universal did, only I don't have to worry about where I'm installing applications, or leaving things at home.

So whilst I am very happy with my purchase, I have noticed my device performs better than some at the tasks I use it for. So it's back to you to tell us what you want yours for!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] grandpareza:
Have they even confirmed with the rolling out of their "3g"?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] funkadesi:
well I use my phone for Im/Texting alot and GPS is another major application for me, I drive alot so its quite important for me, ofcourse at the end of the day im gonna use to make calls.

only thing im stuck on is wether i need the qwety keyboard or not
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] yi3o8:
GPS is worth it

I use iGo 2006 and like it a lot. For me, the GPS is why the phone is worth it.

My complaints are that: the speakerphone is not good; the camera could be better and is useless in low light; no insurance offered by at&t; battery life, but I am used to it by now... needs a charge every few days or so depending on what you use (GPS will kill it quickly); the graphics problem is annoying, maybe programs like navigon would work smoothly but the phone is still worth it, I never use my video ipod to watch media because I don't like the small screen.

With WM6, I use SBSH software pocketbreeze for functionality and wisbar advance for looks. Most people care about the speed, but I'm happy with it. Oh yeah, Q-Mobile 1.2 has made the phone much more stable.

One last thing, I got mine for $75 after rebates but I would not have gone over $300. That's me though, some people have money and want a tech gadget that they can customize to their liking.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ugahairydawgs:
I upgraded to the Tilt from the 8125 a month ago and have been very pleased with my purchase. Obviously there will be risks of the thing bricking down the road, but you shouldn't let that scare you away from a purchase. If anything, that should be incentive for you to buy the HTC branded version of the phone and not the Tilt.

Just my opinion, but I would stay away from ebay too. The thought of buying fairly expensive electronics sight-unseen from an anonymous seller has always seemed kinda sketchy to me.