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[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bensdeals:
Hi NSD! You will be a pioneer here, as I don't think anyone else has attempted using a different LET Band 13 Carrier yet. With that in mind, you will be on your own to figure a lot of this out. What we do know is that with newer versions of the OS the native watch apps seemed to move more towards being a secondary device to the phone. I.E. Messages syncs with watch, dialer is a bluetooth device for the phone. Again, the capabilities are there, so there should be a way to use the watch with all the capabilities (Data, Phone, SMS - as a stand alone device).

Missing notifications are very normal with the latest Update. I don't know there is a fix for it yet.

1. Which Carrier Sim are you using that has Band 13, and where the SMS worked in older OS of the watch?

2. Have you rooted it yet, and if not have you changed the APN?
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NSD:
1. Based on my research, Telus in Canada should use band 13. Since I have 15 days to get everything refunded I am planning on trying it as soon as I get my tri wing screwdriver and root the device.

2. No root yet so I haven't changed the APN. Once I am rooted I plan to try this method: https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/117125/how-do-i-add-an-apn-via-adb
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bensdeals:
Yeah I have what I did to change the APN to Google Fi is back on page 44 of this thread. It is very close to what you have.

Great let me know when you are bootloader unlocked/TWRP/ and rooted.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NSD:
Yeah so... getting a sim is between hard and impossible. Everyone has an apple smartwatch with an eSIM, not much love for android devices. Android offerings are strictly for "share" plans, which is not something I have. So anyway I am giving up on the SIM for now...

In terms of APN settings - do they actually do anything for me if I don't have a SIM? And, I've read the post on page 44 - it seems you're ADB-ing with airplane mode on, I guess this mean I have to figure out how to keep the makeshift cable attached to the phone as I type the commands in?
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bensdeals:
To be honest if you get a SIM with not just data (Voice and SMS), it'll cost you. There are many super inexpensive LTE data SIM plans, Google Fi is essentially free; you just pay for the data. However they are not on LTE 13.

APN will do nothing for you with out a SIM. I adb in over Wifi. What I do to keep the battery life on my watch is turn airplane mode on and then enable bluetooth and wifi. So Airplane mode just means LTE off. The only things I ever need to do with that 4 pin usb cable are Fastboot functions, and working to unlock the LTE bands.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NSD:
Hmm I see. I guess this doesn't solve the problem I have about sending SMSes though -.-
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bensdeals:
You can't SMS w/o a SIM card.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NSD:
Wait but why did it work on the old version of Wear OS? Did they patch it out?
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bensdeals:
Maybe you were SMSing through Messenger that was syncing with your phone. That still works over Wifi. I think you need to make sure Messanger is the default SMS client on your phone. Hangouts might work as well. However I wouldn't call that SMS from your watch.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NSD:
Ok I think we're on the same page now, sorry about that - I believe this is what was happening. However I can't get it to happen again. Messenger is indeed the default client on my phone (no settings have been changed on the phone between it working and it not working). Both phone and watch are on the same wifi network.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bensdeals:
Yeah I don't know. I would try disabling Wifi and making sure Bluetooth is connected in the wearos app on your phone. With the missing notifications issue, it's not going to be very useful on your watch. Maybe if we get H rolled out it will solve some of these issues (who knows).

Change hangouts to be your default SMS on your phone. That might work too.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NSD:
Huh I assumed the watch was bugged... it always shows BT as disconnected however in the phone Wear OS app I'm shown as connected, and I am able to use Wear hangouts/maps/etc. I'm pretty sure BT actually works because I just tested it now - when I turn it off on the watch, the phone app is suddenly not connected any more. Probably the same bug that keeps showing people the cloud with the line through it.

SMS through hangouts must be a US/FI only feature perhaps, I definitely don't have it in my options.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NSD:
Some interesting developments on my end, hopefully these are helpful if others have the same issue:

I was under the impression that "Connectivity -> Cellular -> Advanced -> Watch shares number with phone" should be turned on for both calls and text messages. Why would it be off when the watch doesn't have a working SIM or its own number? Either way once I turned them both off some interesting things happened:

- I can now send texts from the watch through the phone and make calls. Oddly enough the mic isn't picked up during the call, but I know it's functional

- BT is shown as connected (even though it was clearly connected before, as per the Wear os app).

- The ****ing cloud with a line through it is finally gone!

- All of the above survived multiple watch reboots.

Really really loving this watch so far.

Edit: Well ****, the cloud came back :( But all the other things work fine.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bensdeals:
Yeah the cloud comes and goes, but you did figure out how to bring the Bluetooth Icon back. I do think there will be some UI issues since we are still on Android 7.1.1 while others are on 8.0.0 or H (not sure if H is UI only or an android OS too). We should make a thread JUST on bugs in the latest version, Quanta/Verizon isn't going to do anything about it.

My only guess that the "Watch Shares number with Phone" is most likely off by default is because it's a Verizon Product with a pre-installed SIM card (with it's own number). So they likely assume all people who buy this will activate it on Verizon. I really wonder what that feature does. I.e with it ON (shares number with phone) is it now no longer a free standing SMS/Phone Device? I doubt it, because my dial codes from the watch dialer app would always trigger the "bluetooth headset is disabled error" as if it's a dummy bluetooth headset for my phone.

With all that in mind, its a great watch; but a horrible phone (because of the mic / speaker quality). You should pair the watch with a bluetooth headset and test a call again.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bensdeals:
-- A bit off topic; but something that MAY be bugging most of the people on here. If you have disappearing notifications in Hangouts or Messenger on your phone (not watch), uninstall the WearOS app on your phone and restart your phone. Kind of sucks, as I haven't found a work around yet other than removing the app. Once the app is gone , your notifications will stick.

Let me know if anyone has a work around to keep the WearOS app on their phone (and has experienced the disappearing notifications on PHONE)
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kmandel:
Back to an old topic, the WearOS update. I got a new phone and needed to move the watch to it. I actually had done this once already with the adb trick that avoids a reset on a different phone. But this time that didn't work, and after many tries I just reset the watch and successfully connected to the WearOS app on the new phone. So now I'm on the original WearOS release. I've rebooted a few times, but no update message.

Its been half a day. Is it still just a matter of waiting? Do we know what/who/when triggers it. This is not a Verizon phone. I really miss the update.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qkall:
so what i had to do a couple times was to connect my phone/watch to 2.4ghz wifi and/or tether from my phone ot my watch. after the update bluetooth will do the rest of the data (no more wifi)
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bensdeals:
A few hundred more of these just sold on eBay yesterday for $35ea (Open Box). Maybe we'll get lucky enough to get a developer.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HaloTechnology:
Dont think thats going to happen :/
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bensdeals:
Never give up! It's still by far the best bargain for the technology it holds. Only took one person to get the major hurdles of TWRP, root ,and bootloader unlocked.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Archangel:
Is there a reason why I cant get my watch to connect to makes calls without the phone,,,,with the phone it can make calls fine. I have the LTE active and the line open with Verizon and yet still the watch never fully activates the LTE even though in the settings menu I see the signal and it says connected and state it active? It constantly gives me errors going through the call set up option.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bensdeals:
What is your settings > connectivity > cellular > Advanced > Watch shares number with phone set to for calls and text messages?
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Archangel:
in that section under Advanced I just have "Access Point Names" and if I click that it just gives me the option to change it from Verizon Internet to Verizon Admin and other options. When I try to do the calling set up it never gets past the 4th out of 5 steps? It always errors out saying that I need a strong signal either LTE or WiFi to complete. Funny thing is WiFi is on and strong as well as under cellar it shows my Verizon signal as connected and strong?
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bensdeals:
Make sure your watch is up to date, sounds like some advanced options that should be there are not. Essentially "Watch shares number" will use the watch as a slave to the phone. So you want to make sure this is disabled (I'm not 100% sure though since i do not use Verizon).
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kmandel:
Has anyone gotten the WearOS 2.3 update?
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bensdeals:
You wont get 2.3, you'll get the Home App updated to 2.21. Pretty much here on out just UI updates until someone updates the ROM to 8 or 9
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kmandel:
You are probably right, but

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_OS

lists 8 or 9 as necessary for both 2.2 and 2.3, and we have 2.2 on 7.1.1.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JaredTamana:
My Wear24's pinout/SIM board appears to be dead. Due to a Device Descriptor Request Failed error, I no longer have fastboot or adb access. I am looking for another board. This board is not needed to boot, and if you are not planning on flashing the device and do not use the SIM, it is unneeded. It DOES require you to open up the watch. I am willing to pay a little bit of money plus shipping for this board. If you are interested, hit me up on here or on Discord at Jared#8378.

In the process of testing cables, I made two extra pinout cables. These aren't perfect, but they're properly wired and good quality. If you want one, I'll sell one to you for $5 plus shipping. If you don't want to deal with building a cable and can't get an IDC5 cable, this might be a good idea. Once again, PM or Discord.

Either of these things help support development for this device.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] badazzbubbanc:
I bought a brand new one for 40 off Ebay
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XblackdemonX:
Too expensive. I jsut bought one for 45$ CAD shipped.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qkall:
Willing to part with mine for just the shipping cost.

Edit - and it's gone. Kinda surprised about the interest.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prmbasheer:
I paid around CAD55 and have been using it for a year now. Still going strong. I get two days out of single charge.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cheystar:
Sorry for posting in an old thread, but was wondering if anyone is using these with an iPhone? I’m currently paired the watch to an iPhone and was wondering if app downloads need wifi. Anytime I try to download an app or use an app that needs data it asks me to connect to wifi. I’m wondering if this is an iOS limitation or is it how wear is works.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cheystar:
I think i found the battery for the wear24. This is the battery available on aliexpress it doesn't have the same connector though so don't know how one would install it. I compared it to an image I found on a wear24 teardown album in this thread. If anyone is able to replace it please do post instructions.

Wear24 Battery
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jackson1983:
Hi,

How did you remove the strap? How does it look with the strap removed? Is there a connector hole there like how LG Urbane 2 is?

Thank you.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mobadr:
I just unscrewed the tri-wings screws on either side and pulled them out. They do have connectors that connects to the main body.

Regards,

Mo
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shawndak:
N7G75P
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] probstc:
Were you able to do so without destroying any of the antennas in the strap (ex. LTE) and if so, how does the watch look without the straps? Can you post a picture, please?
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SimpyD:
I found this on youtube just now... I don't mine remvoing band if I had something to replace it with.. I hate feel of this thing its like a dirt magnet..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUt_MkJ5b5w
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mobadr:
I don't think I destroyed the antennas, it's just connectors that unplug from the watch as you can see in the video linked above. Unfortunately I have no way to verify that given that I am not currently using LTE. I haven't taken any photos before I put the straps back, and I assume the video SimpyD makes photos redundant now, but I'll post photos if I removed them again later.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] probstc:
Thank you for the video link

Ok, so it is easier (and less damaging) to remove the bands than I thought. However "rebuilding" the band with an alternate will be a pain, which is a challenge I am not willing to undertake before I give the LTE functionality a test. I am off to the States next month, at which point I will see if the good folks at Verizon are willing to sell me a cheap plan to try the watch out on their network. Thank you for posting the video.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bumpaudio:
Can you choose not to sign up for LTE? id like to use it with BT and wifi only. Screw Verizon fee of $10./mo. (my carrier is verizon)
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jackson1983:
Just received my wear24!! Immediately change out the strap (managed to attach a 22mm band) The small "holes" are not very obvious.

Wanted to ask, have updated to AW 2.0. Any new updates? It keep on saying it's the latest update but I think got 2.7 right?
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SimpyD:
Any chance getting a pic of the watch with any band, wanna know before I order something... The AW version i have is 2.8.0
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jackson1983:
How did you get to 2.8??? mine just show 2.0 and say its the latest.....

The strap should be 20mm.....i squueze a 22mm in......the "hole" not very visible
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joelphilippage:
Android wear 2 updates over the play store app on the watch. (I think this is regardless of what watch you use) Make sure you are signed in and check for updates. I think system updates would only update android versions like 7-8.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shawndak:
You are correct, the app updates via the playstore "Android Wear" App on the watch. This watch is indeed being updated!
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SimpyD:
Thx for the pic mate.. As others said it just updated by itself with play store, you can always try to go to settings/system/about/Versions and double tap your version might trigger update..

going to other a 20mm strap and maybe some water proof tape to cover those holes, might not be noticeable on my black watch.. thx
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] depakjan:
Hi all, I am also thinking of getting this watch or Huawei gen 1 (used) , just help me decide, I don't need any of LTE stuff like most of us, so if I turn off all those , do we have all the features of Android wear working fine comparatively with Huawei gen 1?

Also does anyone know the battery life compared to Huawei gen 1 , I just want a watch that can last ~1 day with ambient on and tilt off (want it to show the time always) , I am currently using Moto 360 gen 1 and it has garbage battery life

Help me decide .. thanks a lot guys
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jackson1983:
Just got my wear24 yesterday.....so far so gd.....I managed to get all notifications like sms, WhatsApp etc to work and I can reply using voice or typing on screen. Battery wise from 9am till 5pm now It’s still showing a 59%. Should be able to last 1 to 2 days.

Guess the only thing not working is the LTE (no prob since I wanted to change the watch strap) and no android pay (Praying hard that someone might come out with it in future). The only big issue I have is the vibration of the wear24 is pretty mild......but for $79......
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mitrkapil:
I recently got this watch, I don't seem to get any notification for incoming calls nor for text.

Everytime i open phone app, it asks for enabling Bluetooth audio but cannot dial out using Bluetooth nor getting incoming notification.

Any pointers ?
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mobadr:
I've found some photos of the inside of this watch and the strap antenna.

Internal photos: https://fccid.io/HFS-M99/Internal-Photos/TempConfidential-Photo-Internal-Photo-R01-3169313

Antenna: https://fccid.io/HFS-M99/Test-Setup-Photos/TempConfidential-Photo-SAR-R01-3177743

These came from here: https://fccid.io/HFS-M99, there are some more information and test documents.

The first photo in the internal photos shows the NFC antenna and something in the middle which I suspect is the nano sim module which sins07 mentioned earlier.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PesSarmiento:
Please share pics. I also have the black color. And I'm thinking to do the same. Let me know how it goes.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssinn:
What is working fine? Your using it on another carrier? Which carrier?
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mistermojorizin:
Did you just screw that new band inplace with the original triangle screws? Or are you able to use regular watch pins (screws would be easier I would think)?

Would you please post a picture of the watch from the side of the power button if possible. I wanna see how the screws look.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] f4ifrank:
FYI, this watch is now $50 at Tech Rabbit. Use code trwear50 at checkout.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] flashesbuck:
I also just picked one up. Now im digging to see if i can flash a custom rom without any Verizon bloatware on it.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] f4ifrank:
Can you post here if you find anything? Thanks.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lwang9:
It is now on sale for $50 with the code TRWEAR50 from TechRabbit.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] msk:
Did anyone get the mic working properly for calls? Looks like there is a thread on it as well: https://xdaforums.com/android-wear/help/verizon-wear24-bluetooth-issue-android-t3714092 but no updates.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dandrumheller:
That was enough to get me to pull the trigger - this will be my first android wear watch. Not sure if it's an upgrade, downgrade or sidegrade from my Garmin Vivoactive, but I'll know soon.

Looking forward to becoming part of this community, and hoping for some customization action going on here.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hippiestick:
Just bought one from tech rabbit as well. Can't beat 50.00 and free shipping. Just hope can get android pay to eventually work.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kevin1a:
At $50, we could probably crowdfund a few for some interested devs to use for testing, or even offer a bounty for the first Dev to root the thing and delete the Verizon bloat. I'm new to smart watches ($50 was too tempting), and I'd love to see my discount toy unlock some more of its potential.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SyCoREAPER:
I missed the deal but was still able to get one for $80. Spec-wise it is pretty decent and the fact that is on AW 2.8 is great
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rubber guard:
i4l, another techrabbit purchase.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jackson1983:
$50? Wow....just 2 weeks after I bought it for $80.....

---------- Post added at 04:01 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:53 AM ----------

I used back the screw. Have tried with a few straps and the screw work with all so far. Have even tried using a nato strap.....for this I used regular watch pins. Worked as well but from the side you will see a hole. The regular watch pins won't go through the hole.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rubber guard:
anyone know what kind of screw/screwdriver is required to remove the back? TIA
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mistermojorizin:
Wow. I thought the threading for the screws was in the original band, is it on the watch case instead?
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lifeisfun:
Still worth every penny @ $80

Great watch
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zer04evr:
That would be the Triwing security bit made infamous with the Nintendo Wii
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] davehasninjas:
Thanks for this. I couldn't remember the name either. Just ordered a new set of bits with a couple of these off Amazon.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] marcsoup:
It's a Y000 Tri-point bit for the back plate.

https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Tools/Tri-point-Y000-Screwdriver-Bit/IF145-309-2

Be warned, the back plate uses some strong adhesive, so even when you unscrew it, you'll need something to pry it up.

I did try swapping the sim card last night and it does take it. It originally had a Verizon nano sim in there. I threw my data only project fi sim card in, and it did recognize it as being project fi, but without a proper apn, it won't actually work.

I also apparently broke the speaker on it, because now I can't get any audio, but I never used the audio anyway...
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gnice18:
Awesome job mate, you changed the Wear24 game. Did you try any metal link style straps? Wondering if the OG spring bar size is too large for standard metal style.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SyXbiT:
Thanks for the info. You said in an earlier post that you squeezed a 22mm band in, instead of 20mm. What was the reason for this? If I'm buying a band just for this watch, should I get 20mm or 22mm ?
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gnice18:
Just measured mine when I got home, looks like 20 mm will be the best.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jackson1983:
20mm would be best....I tried with a 22mm cos that was the only extra band I had at home haha

---------- Post added at 02:09 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:06 AM ----------

I don't have any metal strap around but my guess is it should work cos the "hole" should be big enough for most pin. My guess is those quick release straps should work as well
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bensdeals:
Has anyone attempted to Root with Kingroot? I've seen success with other LTE Watches. I want to get back to the original topic, as my Wear24 is slated to arrive on Monday and I'm a Google Fi user. We need to accomplish 3 things.

1. Root phone

2. Change LTE Bands (if its even possible)

3. Change APN

Let me know if I'm missing anything here.
[Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] marcsoup:
I already tried kingroot earlier to no avail.