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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mk8033:
battery drainage - O2 Orbit2 - GSM issue!!

Hi,

owning an O2 Orbit2 (the O2 branded version of the HTC Polaris / TouchCruise) since Jan 08, I now need to report similar findings - with a different root cause, perhaps.

For a few weeks by now, I recognized the machine goes off over night. Reboot every morning. I initially thought of some application installed lately casing the problem, so I finally made a backup / hard reset cycle *without* re-installing any app and even without starting any app - except for the usual processes that come up with the OS. Same behaviour.

After some tests to exclude battery failure, I ended up changing the sim card(!) (O2 24m contract -> T-mobile prepaid). And what can I say: I didn't recharge the phone for 6 days by now! (Ok, I was mainly checking the battery sometimes a day, but before, the battery was empty over night).

Conclusion: I would not deny the GPS issue discussed here, just because I could not observe it (just that my phone is ok regarding the GPS thing does not necessarily imply, all others are as well). But obviously, I have a very serious issue either with battery consumption of the specific sim card of O2 or the O2 network.

Did anyone observe similar issues? Is this problem perhaps superimposing with the GPS thing, making the later even more difficult to track?

I'll reinstall my apps now (especially BS) and continue testing...

PS: furthermore, I observed that the battery charge monitor provided via the WM icon list is out of sync quite often: typically, it displayed ~50% and in reality the battery was drained and the machine went off 10s later...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
Interesting hint about the SIM card.

The battery charge monitor does not catch up fast enough if the phone eats up your battery during standby. If the battery has some capacity left, you will see the gauge step down 1% every 30 secs or so. In this situation a soft reset will recover the correct battery state.

@Ghxoxst: if you're really stuck, back up your phone then hard reset it. Do not install any applications. If the phone still consumes lot of power I would label it "defective".

Buster
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] yeantbron:
Hello,

since a few days, my battery drain, but i've no gps installed on my kaiser.

When i do that :

the results are :

the morning there is 8ma, soft reset, and now i've 70ma, vary between 47/55ma after a few minutes, and the phone isn't warm.

When the battery is 100% charged, no prob

but when it's arround 60%, in 1 night, the battery down to almost 0.

(now, ultimate lauch with htc home, between 82/150ma)

PS : Excuse my english !! :o

Thank you !!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Trickac14:
wow I by the sounds of some of yalls battery life I would die for that. My battery drains extremely. I woke up at 7:30 this morning and its 11:00 now and my battery is already down to 36 percent off of what I would say normal usage. Someone please help me I am using the ATT Tilt. Im not sure how to check the ma's...HELP!! Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
Use a battery monitor software tool, such as "BatteryStatus". Check out the introductory post.

Buster
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wilsonzone:
Some apps that you might have may cause your battery to drain also. I.e. batterystatus, push mail, some weather apps. pretty much anything that keeps you busy by connectin to gps or updating constanly things like that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mk8033:
Answer: 3G/UMTS eats up the battery if poor quality!!

update:

further testing revealed, that the Orbit2 is very sensitive to low 3G reception: the battery is drained by bad availability of 3G / UMTS network. This can be prevented by manually switching to GSM only(*): telephone settings -> "Band" -> "Networktype": switch from "Auto" to "GSM" (Auto includes 3G/UMTS, although not explicitly stated). for sure, this results in lower data transfer speed as a consequence...

Initial test showed, that the Orbit2 - typically dead next morning - survived the night and the battery only dropped from 72% to 68%!!! This also explains the "overnight effect". I'm typically at home overnight - and the network quality obviously is poor for 3G/UMTS at home. So no processes that become activated at 0:00 and drain the battery... Propably, this also migth explain some of your issues...

So far, I did not find a smart way of automatically switching to 3G / H (i.e. switching off "GSM only") in case network connection is required - but I'm open for any suggestion!

*=as I have my Orbit2 uses German language, I expect this to be the English translation...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
mk8033: not unusual. Networks perform frequent retries if there are transmission errors. Which can cost much battery power in case of a high speed network. I would put the 3G stuff into this category.

Buster
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] thijn:
I really think 3G is part of the battry drain issue too. See my post #198. Since i switched network to GSM. The problem is gone, even when I frequently use GPS...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
Yes. But to be exact, a high 3G related power consumption is not a malfunction, as opposed to the occasional GPS-triggered, increased standby current.

Buster
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drpiety:
Is there no possible Mortscript or so that checks the shutdown of GPS programs and resets GPS then or checks that its closed down?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mashardy:
Just today I updated to the much anticipated rOM release from HTC, Battery life is a bit better than the original ROM, however still not that great.

Anyone has any suggestions?

regards.:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Autourdupc:
Dear,

My TyTN II comes fron SFR, so I can not get the new ROM.

Do you have a copy of the last released french ROM for TyTN II

Best regards,

Laurent.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mashardy:
Here you for the French ROM:

http://rapidshare.com/files/1170597....0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship.exe

and here is the link to it:

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs

The fren ROM is the last on the list of HTC WM6.1 ROMS.

Enjoy,
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Autourdupc:
Many thanks for the links...

Actually downloading.

Regards,

Laurent.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
No. This problem proved to exist without any GPS programs running, no NMEA ports open and so on.

Buster
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] willybilly:
I have also updated to the new ROM. The most effective way to prolong the battery life is to switch the phone to GSM mode when not using 3G. I have tried this and after full charged, 7 hrs has elapsed and my battery indicator is showing 98%.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jcespi2005:
Yes, this is a knowed effect of using 3G, since my TyTN i used to select GSM instead 3G when i can... but is difficult for me, cause i can receive data/voice simultaneous in GSM here in Orange Spain :(

Other think can affect battery drainage is using the device with high external temperature... i notice this affect battery too...

Cheers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] karlux:
I have found the faulty "micro chip" on my Kaiser mainboard - it becomes extremely hot, it has even burned a hole on it. The faulty chip causes an abrnormal battery drainage and the device becomes very, very warm.

My question is - would it be possible to change the micro chip - to order new and resoleder?

Where to order the chipset?

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nordberg_73:
Sorry to sound stupid, but how do you switch to GSM?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] willybilly:
You can go to the phone setting to change it. Another way is to use the attached bandswitch application. I got it from one of the thread but can't remember which thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] eisenpat:
Hi,

I have the same problem. If I use the GPS moule. The battery will not survive the night.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] scilor:
Mine is also affected, after the German update to official 6.1 now i Have a Power drain of 50mA in standby
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] scilor:
I have the problem without starting GPS :(

15% after a night away
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
scilor:

15% over night seems normal to me, depending on how you set up your phone it may take a bit during standby. However, if it really were 50mA you would have seen a drainage much higher than that. May look more like what eisenpat described in the post previous to yours.

karlux:

sounds interesting. I doubt you will get access to any special replacement parts such as the VLSI ICs, but can you describe which chip went up in smoke, first?

Buster
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] scilor:
In WM6 i had no problem with it but the update to wm6.1 got me

i normaly have 20mA in BatteryStatus after Waking up

before the update it was at 0mA and survived a night with loosing 1-2%

all without GPS

Maybe there is an option i can change?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
scilor: use a good task manager and see which applications and services are running. Maybe there is a one which wakes up the processor every so often. HSDPA is also well known for increased power consumption. Good luck...

Buster
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] scilor:
Which Task Manager Should I Use?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
I am still using "Dutty's ROM" which includes "Fdcsoft Task Manager" and another one which probably belongs to the standard WM6.1 installation. Both serve the purpose, but I am sure there's many more out there.

Buster
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] scilor:
I have the Original WM6.1 and i cant find the reason for the drainage with the task manager :( nothing there
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] scilor:
Use it just after wakeup! the BatteryMonitor needs a While
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sualc:
Hi, here's my battery drain test:

Conditions:

Battery level:67%,Half Backlight level,no user activity (1%-4% CPU usage with Activesync,Spb Mobile shell 2,Spb Weather,pTravelAlarm and BatteryStatus running on today screen),SD 2GB inserted.

Test 1: AIRPLANE MODE

*In Standby : 1mA

*Device ON : 90mA

Test 2: GSM ON (full signal)

*In Standby : 5mA

*Device ON : 90-100mA

Test 3: GSM ON+WIFI ON

*Device ON: 350mA

Test 4: GSM ON+WIFI ON+GPSTEST ON (no fix needed)

*Device ON: 438mA

Hope someone can confirm that these values are normal...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sualc:
Anyway I confirm I experienced very fast battery drain a couple of times (morning phone dead..). Now that i've BatteryStatus installed I cannot reproduce it...please help me having heavy battery drain please, heheh

EDIT: sorry ,I answer myself (read more deeply first post..)..I will have to try with GPS fix obtained and do more test rounds..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hardik119:
High current drain not going away

I recovered my kaiser from red light of death few days back using the so called CPR method but ever since then I'm observing very fast battery drain. I installed battery status and found that it is draining too much current in standby. About 42-43mA at standby.

I tried everything mentioned in the first post. i.e. soft reset, hard reset, GPS on-off(with getting satellite fix) but nothing helped. The current is still too high. I even changed my ROM twice after the RLOD recovery but still no effect. Can anyone suggest what I should do?

I doubt that it has some hardware problem since it went to RLOD

I tried putting the phone in "Flight mode" and even in Flight mode the current was high in standby. somebody please help!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Beky.yB*:
OMG!

I installed Garmin navigation soft. 2 months ago and I realized today that I hadn't switch of my GPS till that time :)

I was wondering why is my battery life so poor, and when I read this thread I almost killed myself :) 2 months of suffering because of stupidity :)

EnJoy !!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nemestniy:
i am polaris user and have the same energy drain problem.

tried a lot and now think ... may be it is not software problem but hardware - kind of defective battery . is it possible?

did U try this one

originally posted by AG_Uni

or

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2324685#post2324685

or

advice by Sascha

Try the following registry settings:

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\AsyncMac1\Parms]

"DisablePowerManagement"=dword:00000000

"BusType"=dword:00000000

"BusNumber"=dword:00000000

"RebindOnResume"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\L2TP1\Parms]

"DisablePowerManagement"=dword:00000000

"BusType"=dword:00000000

"BusNumber"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\PPTP1\Parms]

"DisablePowerManagement"=dword:00000000

"BusType"=dword:00000000

"BusNumber"=dword:00000000

____________________

at one's own risk; on one's own responsibility
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
The battery drain problem described here is unaffected by the above "tweaks".

Buster
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nemestniy:
Buster, you should know better because you re the boss here)))

world peace
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NZuercher:
My Battery Usage

I bought a "lightly used tilt" from e-bay two weeks ago ($230 + shipping). I was leary about buying a used phone off of e-bay, but was happily surprised to see that it was in nearly perfect shape (looks brand new) and everything in working order :). Only issue is the battery drain, which I am very disappointed with. I cannot get it to last through the day without running out of battery. I bought and installed a brand new OEM (Samsung 1350mAH) battery yesterday to see if it would help. Nope :mad:! Here's my phone and battery usage for today:

7:00am; Removed from charger (100% battery), enabled WiFi for 5 minutes to download weather, turned WiFi off, did a soft reset, checked task manager & found no programs running, all data connections disabled (using MoDaCo NoData program), WiFi off, bluetooth off, phone enabled, put in standby mode.

10:00am; Made 15 minute phone call ("E" displayed in upper bar). Checked battery status...down to 76%! Placed back into standby mode.

11:30am; Started map program & GPS, used for 10 minutes while driving to lunch. Did soft reset, then placed back into standby mode.

2:00pm; Turned on to check battery status. It's down to 51%!!!!!

So, I've used half of my battery in 7 hours of what I consider very light use. Shouldn't be the GPS problem b/c I reset immediately after using the GPS. Today's usage is typical and by 5pm it is usually down to 20% so I plug it in as soon as I get home from work.

NOTES: Installed the AT&T WM 6.1 ROM (from the HTC website) last week. Skipped "bloatware". Installed Kaiser Tweaks and enabled the four "power management" options. Also turned call waiting notification off per the post above. I don't have a data plan thus have disabled all GPRS data with MoDaCo NoData program and modifying the Media Net Access Point Name. Also have MediaNet, GPRS, HSDPA, and "WiFi Standby Mode" disabled in Kaiser Tweaks. Back of phone is room temperature (doesn't feel hot at all).

UPDATE: 3:45pm; Turned on to check battery status. Down to 43%. So, used 8% in less than two hours. Lets see, 8% of 1350mAH is 108mAH, divided by two hours is

54mAH average current draw

while in standby with everything disabled except the phone. NOT GOOD!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
Right, not good... you did many things which should have put back your phone to near-zero consumption, without success. I hate saying so, but the conclusion is that you may have bought a defective "Tilt".

Buster
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] eriqeluv_98:
I installed alot of programs on my mini SD. I wonder if that drains the battery quicker..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] yuwei:
I bought a second-hand tilt and I am experiencing the same thing. Do you have any solutions?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TheoTheo:
I've exactly the same problem. I read along the whole thread and am I right that there is still no solution yet? Did I miss anything?

The sad thing is that I own a HTC Touch HD and this problem is still existing!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
Thats right. I'm living with it somehow, but decided to avoid an HTC phone next time. Too many bugs I was wrestling with, and way too much ignorance by HTC. I am under the impression that these nice guys simply snake their way through the lifetime of their products.

I was able to fix a few bugs via a ROM update, most other problems are standing issues. Rectified: Long GPS fix time. Unresolved: GPS induced battery drainage in standby, inability to include own messages when forwarding emails, inability to move messages between accounts, frequent lockups of keys / touchscreen (the delay issue) and so on and so forth. Well, maybe one or the other can be fixed some day, but over all: this thing is a pain in the neck.

@louiscar (sorry for the late answer):

Quote, "Pick the phone up (once it was in flight mode so this could be the problem you're describing), it reboots and powers down before it finishes booting. After applying a charge I noted the battery level was around 13%, enough to have booted" --

This is because the internal monitoring of the battery charge loses track if the current in shutdown is increased, I already wrote about it elsewhere. In this case the battery charge percentage seems to step down by 1% every 30 secs or so. If the battery is already totally down you may either see nothing, or the failing reboot as you described above.

(if you got sufficient residual charge).

Regarding 3G standby current - I think I checked this once. If so, you should find it somewhere inside this thread. Please have a look.

Buster
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nurps:
Is a softreset fixing this GPS problem? For me its not...but maybe its not what i have trouble with.

I have nothing running at all and out of standby 40mA. Battery is down over night. "Runtime" equals "Time Since Last Softreset".

So maybe i have this GPS problem. My phone is the Xperia. And i have no idea whats preventing a proper standby. :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] blowtje90:
i dont understand really, but will this FIX the battery drainage? and, for how long? at least to power off? and than it's suckng the battery empty again? or what?

i dont really understand the text, i am a dutch person!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JwY:
For standby drain (not in use), 8 hours of standby with bluetooth and phone on and wifi off drains 4% of my battery. It's been consistent.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] yawcheehou:
Hi BusterTyTN,

I'm also facing the same problem like you last week. Then, I discovered that it is due to Yahoo!Go. In the default setting, it will automatically update content every 30 minutes from 10pm to 6am. By disable the auto update, the problem is resolved automatically.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
@ yawcheehou:

how often do I need to say this: I am NOT talking about ANY potentially energy intensive applications here. I will try to clarify this further, with the help of an added FAQ.

@ RemE, drownage: this sounds EXTREMELY close to my observations. Please try to figure out the standby currents !!! I have not mentioned that the phones get hot, but of course they do when the battery is drained that fast.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] thesoulpoet:
I checked mine, its between 3-10mA
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
My Tilt running the new ROM is great in standby mode. After running all night in standby mode it only shows 1 or 2 ma discharge, and only 1% decrease in battery percentage overnight.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
@ Jay2TheRescue, thesoulpoet (and all others who seriously want answers):

Please do me a favour. It would be very interesting to see what happens if you try several activation / deactivation cycles of the GPS. Leave it running for a few minutes per cycle or until it fixed, and recheck the standby current after each cycle. I am absolutely sure the high standby current can be provoked in your phones, just by playing with the GPS (as I suspect, caused by the on and off switching). Personally, I found NO Kaiser out of three which could resist, no matter the operating system...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] samsat:
I made sure that all aps. were closed.

Pressed the power button at the side to put the phone into standby.

Waited 20s then pressed the power button again.

Phone came on with full backlight (as set by me) showed 5mA for about 20 seconds and then jumped to 107mA.

After screen dimmed it then settled on 43mA.

All seems OK to me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
samsat: note post #26. Did you switch GPS on then off BEFORE testing? You won't see anything if you didn't. If so, did you try this several times, not just once?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Just so I'm clear on this, I am not leaving the GPS on durring Standby, right? (I find that GPS usually turns itself off anyway in Standby mode.)

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Ok, I opened TomTom Navigator 6 three times, each time waiting for a GPS fix, then closing the application. After the third time closing TomTom I checked and my power usage immedaitely after closing TomTom was 318mA. I then put the device in standby by clicking the power switch. About 30 seconds later I woke it up again by clicking the power switch and my power reading was 1mA.

-Jay

EDIT: add additonal info...

1. Device (Kaiser, tilt, etc) Tilt

2. Which battery are you using (brand, mAh rating, etc) Stock Sammy 1350mAh

3. Which Rom and radio version ROM: 1.62.502.0 Radio: 1.27.14.09

4. What application are you using to measure current draw? BatteryStatus Today Plugin v0.05.001 Build 0271

5. Provide typical usage description and corresponding battery life. at least 60 mins voice calls/day, TomTom Navigator 6 and Navizon run every time I'm in the car, plus about 30 minutes internet surfing and maybe 20 minutes playing games. 2 or 3 times a week I will teather HSDPA data over WiFi or Bluetooth to a laptop or home computer. I usually have about 40% - 60% battery by the end of the day.

6. At what point do you charge the battery (i.e. top off every night, charge whenever power's available, recharge only when battery hits low level (i.e. 10%)I charge every night whether or not its needed, plus whenever I use GPS in the car the unit is in my mobile charging cradle.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
My AT&T Tilt (bought at the end of year 2007) would easily last for 72 hours or so on standby with bluetooth and WiFi turned OFF (on 3G).

I'm running Alex's Tilt ROM (WM 6.0) with radio 1.27.14.09.

When backlight is on (9/10 brightness) and I'm tapping on touchscreen, I get around 500-650 mW consumption. Highest realistic consumption I've seen with HSDPA was around 1200 mW drain (+/- 200 mW or so).

Can't complain, battery life is about the same as my Wizard's. Not bad at all, considering all the stuff it does. Besides, I made a pretty cool holder with charger for myself in my car.. so the phone is connected to the PC at night (charging), then it is working as GPS/TV in my car (charging), then it is working several hours at my work tethering HSDPA to laptop (charging). So, I don't use battery that often, it's mostly sitting on charge. Thank goodness for Lithium-Ion Polymer.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] HarleyTheGod:
How did you get a Tilt in 2006 when they didn't start selling them until Oct 2007?

I must say the your battery life is almost unbelievable.

I'm running the stock ROM and my battery will not last 24 hours in standby with everything but the phone off.

Of course my phone did recover from the RLoD. I wish it would happen again so I could trade it in.