yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Avram83:
I think that is real time to make this tread (about WM6.1 4700) sticky,

kozhura edition

816,500+views

~2450 replies

sanjay 1951

223,500+

~930

and if could hx4700 to get his place among the HTC devices

(he is HTC Roadster + he can be phone through CF )

There should be some king of voting for this.

Salute
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Mr Joshua:
kozhura's edition latest edition was uploaded on 6-5-08 to his livedrive via.

http://cid-fd714b22b9504ab6.skydriv...|_UPD|_WM6.1|_RUS|_|5kozhura|_Edition|6R4.rar

and

http://depositfiles.com/files/5789449

translating w/ google seems to be a better bet, babelfish leave something to be desired.

http://www.google.com/translate?u=h...php?showtopic=81209&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=ru&tl=en

i'll have to try kozhura's latest, it seems like it might use russian language packs only?

thanks again for the updated rom andy. i'll give v1e a workout today and update w/ my results later on.

~J
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Mr Joshua:
wifi issues seem to be resolved.

only problem i've found so far is the hx4700 refuses to suspend when in it's hotsync cradle. it will suspend if you press the power button once without holding it.

fresh flash using quoted rom V1e w/ 4 meg page set via modpp.exe

not using any SD/CF's

just enabled turn off device if not used for 5 minutes when on AC power.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ridolfo:
Yep, Kozhura's is a Russian only for now. He said he'd make an English version later... We've experienced before what his "later" means. ;) Fortunaly, it has always led to something good in the end.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ZinFab:
Wifi?

Using ramese 6.1 ver 2.01 with updated wifi from wm6 rev 4.

Question which wifi types can I use? WEP/WAP/WAP2 etc?

thanks
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] kozhura:
I`m here again, see http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=398762 :)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ramsses:
WEP and WPA, no WPA2

Andy
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] elparra72:
Hi Kozura!!!

I'll try your ROM just today. In this post you can see a lot of usefull information and people is working fine in their ROMs. HX4700 is still in the top of PDAs. Thanks a lot.

I'll post my first impresions about.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ramsses:
Kozhura

Great job - nice to have the master back after my humble efforts!

I would be grateful if you could enlighten me as to your tools that you use (PM me if you prefer if you wish to keep these to a restricted audience).

I will download your ROM and see if I can come up with anything helpful.

Thanks again

Andy
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Mr Joshua:
Спасибо kozhura

hopefully i got that right.. :)

i'll test out your new rom as soon as i get ahold of it and let you know how it goes.

будь здоров :cool:

well i tested it out most of the day today with the same list of programs i posted earlier.. everything seems to function as they're supposed to

w/ a few programs stating after install that they were written for a previous version of WM and might not display correctly. to the best of my knowledge they all displayed correctly.. so that'd be a non issue, at least for the programs i tested..

the only issues i came across were the refusing to self suspend while in the HP hot scync cradle.

after doing a soft reset, wifi is turned off when WM comes back up, turn wifi back on, and functions perfectly. *shrugs* wifi is fast, stable and reconnects after auto suspend or from pressing the power button.

curiosity got to me earlier today as i was thinking about what you had mentioned about shrinking the partition sizes.. could you increase the size of the cache used for running programs and descrease the cache size for program storage?

Hx4700 bare Ramsses v1e

Storage

Total: 82.59MB

In use: 2.45MB

Free: 80.14MB

Program

Total: 54.30MB

In use: 22.15MB

Free: 32.15MB

decrease the 82MB initial from storage cache to about 60mb or 50mb

and increase the program cache initially from 54MB to 70-80MB?

i know you were checking out to see if the programs were still around from when kozhura posted them. possibly sharing them, so the rom could be changed later to suit a particular user similar to using mopp.exe?

i must say andy, and kozhura, awesome work! keep up the releases..

~J
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] whydidnt:
Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. There are 2 different sets of memory on the iPaq, a Flash ROM chip for storage and RAM for program execution. You could in theory, (and I think on older units like the Blue Angel) borrow RAM for storage, but I haven't seen anyone use ROM for RAM execution, it would be painfully slow, even if you could do it. Because of this design you can't repartition storage to program as part of the ROM building process.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Mr Joshua:
ahhh thanks for the clarification.. :)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Jakko47:
Downloaded and installed rom from Kozharu (rapidshare link). Used Chris bootlader to flash. Everything went well. Did a soft reset after the screen "clearing all data" and the PDA jumped immediately to the black windows mobile 6.1 screen. Waited about 3 minutes but nothing happened, did a soft reset again, same result. PDA freezes on the windows mobile 6.1screen. Turned my device back into bootloader modus and installed ramsses rom again (post #841). I had no complains about this rom. It was just out of curiosity I tried the Kozharu rom.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] frikarue:
Hi

I did the same and experienced the same and turned back to Alkor_B2_Ramsses_Kozhura_v1c. Looking forward to an installable ROM.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] :
now the new kozhura works fine :-)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] elparra72:
Yes Dedix, Kozura new R5 is working fine. It's fast and stable but Andy found some improvements to implement in it. I'm using this Kozhura edition and It's really great but I'm waiting for Andy (or maybe Sanjay) version based on it. While this improved version is posted Kozhura's ROM is a very good options.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Jakko47:
Is there a newer version or what do you mean? I downloaded it yesterday. It seams there are a lot of people having trouble after flashing: freezes on the black wm 6.1 screen. On the other hand, those with an upgraded PDA (128 mb ram), seems to succeed. Do you perhaps have a PDA with 128 mb of ram? That may explain it.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Mr Joshua:
he updated again here, awesome rom.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=398762

and andy's released a modified version of it in the same thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=398762&page=4

i'm flashing andys now so i can check that out..
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] defend:
For kozhura-Ramsses_v1 6.1

Just remember to hard-reset, clean data ... and maybe a soft reset to get it working.

Mine was stuck at 6.1 screen ... at first.

Note: I use the bootloader tool.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] cook:
available here :

http://rapidshare.com/files/121525692/CEOS_WM6.1_R5_kozhura_Edition_mod_Ramsses_v1_.rar.html

Andy, could you tell us, please, what is your opinion about this last rom compared to your previous based on akor edition ?

Is there a reason to update except newer WM build ?

thanks
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] vimesUK:
After trying Andy's modified Kozhura's ROM I found.....

Andy thanks very much for your efforts, yet again most appreciated in what you have done with the excellent Kozhura ROM.

However I have a problem...

For the first time ever in my flashing many ROM's this one is stuck at 38% and does not want to move.

I'm afraid of moving it off the docking station as I seriously can't afford a brick

Any advice please on what to do, apart from wedge the PDA under a door and use it as a door stop..!!

I posted the above in this thread...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=398762&page=6

(still sat at 38%)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] defend:
If ever, use the bootloader tool. I always brick it the first time.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] :
Hi Jakko47,

I have the 64MB Version and kozhura has uploaded the modified R5 yesterday :-)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] vimesUK:
Thanks for posting that I have now resolved the problem by not using the graphical GUI version of the bootloader and it has worked :)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] vimesUK:
I am now setting up my applications on the latest Andy's Kozuhura ROM and have found that when I install Schaps Advanced Config tool...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=317070&page=47

...which works perfectly well on any other ROM I get the following message..

I am assuming that I need to install .net...? If that is the case can anyone please help me as to which version and where I can find it...?

EDIT:

Could this be the right one...?

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...6b-356b-4a2c-857c-e62f50ae9a55&displaylang=en

Double Edit...

ah well that didn't work :(
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ZinFab:
And open? I would really like to be able to connect to open wifi lan's?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Jakko47:
Thanks for the reply. I had figured it out myself and tried the modified Kozhura rom (by Andy). The calculator and the item "getting started" won't work. I get an error with framework he can't find? Installed the latest version for wm 6 (3.5?) without result.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Jakko47:
I have the same problem when opening calculator or "getting started".
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] vimesUK:
The fix can be found in post #69 here...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2291071#post2291071
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Mr Joshua:
andy just put up a new revision 1a w/ the fixes for .NET CF
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ZinFab:
Why are there no comments about this?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] vimesUK:
There are it is just a little messy as some of the comments are in another thread...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=398762
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] cook:
Hello Andy,

With this release I have a mouse pointer (enven with navpoint not in mouse mode, and the graphic is not the same) sometime an arrow, an hourglass, an hand (on the link in IE) do you know how to remove this ?

The mouse pointer appears when I touch the screen with the stylus and disapears few seconds after stylus not in contact with screen.

Is it only me and my restore backup habit or someone else have this strange thing ?

I want mad a hard copy but the mouse pointer is not on the hardcopy.

Thanks
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] tapdov:
Are you using the built-in IE?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] cook:
no an updated version, always the same (the one I post here some time ago). it's not relative to IE it's happen with all application even on today page
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ZinFab:
I don't have this issue...just to be sure this is Kozhura rom modified by andy.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] cook:
yes. kozhura / Andy v1a + restore backup made by spb backup + registry difference / manual modification.

Don't looks like an issue, looks like a feature :) I'm quite sure the restore backup + apply registry difference is the cause of this new feature but how to turn off this feature ... that's the question.

probably one switch somewhere in the registry ... strange thing is additionaly to backup restore process I do a compare between registry of previous ROM and new ROM when I update, I review the diff line by line and apply it.

ok, we will see next ROM. In any case I will not reinstall all my software from clean install ... I will live with this additional unneeded feature ... I google about it and I found some people have opposite problem, they use bluetooth mouse and don't have pointer :) I read some info stated the mouse pointer in WM6 is an integrated feature ...

it's not a bug, it's a feature ... maybe I will find a way to turn it off ...
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ZinFab:
Well in that case congrats on yet another feature for the dated HP4700
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ZinFab:
ROM update

I applied the wifi fix as outlined by Ramsess...WEP, WPA and Open lan's work.

Basically everyhting is working all bluetooth stuff excpet for my phone Sony Ericsson refuses to connect to the Ipaq. Contact I cannot sync and at work the internet through proxy cannot get to work.

Other than that fantastic ROM Kozura mod by Ramsess. Thanks again:D
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] toja56:
Hi All,

Please, is there any description of the i-net upgrade RAM on hx4700:)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] grayme:
Ramsses ROM based on PDAviet ROM?

Andy (or anyone)

Kohzura's ROMs have something in them that prevents Wisbar from hiding the softkeys on the today screen, but I can't find Andy's last ROM which wasn't based on Kohzura's ROM; can anyone help please?

Thanks

Graham
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Mr Joshua:
andy's v1e

http://rapidshare.com/files/121151025/ROM_v2.01_B19588_HP4700_B19588.zip.html
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] engner:
Hi all,

thank you everybody for the different ROM that you have created.

Andy's 1.0C based on PhamQuang's ROM: see post 589:

http://xdaforums.com/show...&postcount=589

I have also tested Kohzura's latest ROM and I managed to hide softkeys with VJToggleToday II (HKLM\...\StartSize = 25, SoftKeySize = 1).
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] grayme:
Thanks both.

I remembered the VJToggleToday program and it worked, maybe I'll stick with the flashed ROM after all. :)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] elparra72:
Andy (Ramsses) new update

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=398762&page=23

Ramsses:

There is a problem with the RDP client - I'll post a fix soon.

Andy

Here it is: http://rapidshare.com/files/12353008..._v1e_.zip.html

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;-)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] zivelik:
help for bootloader

ho can help me to find out the procedur how to upgrade from wm6 to wm6.1 hellping with bootloader ?

thanks

elik
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Huck33:
you must do a hard reset at each rom upgrade, that's what kozhura recommended
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] MaffooClock:
Negative. That's what I tried. The only ROMS that seem to contain a bootsplash are HP's OEM ROMS and PDAViet's.

One interesting coincidence: the ROMS that are around 128MB in size have all had a bootsplash. The ROMs that do not (i.e. Kozhura's WM6) are not nearly as large. Probably just a sheer coincidence, as I do not know what all is in volved in cooking a ROM...
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] MaffooClock:
I came across the same issue. Glad to hear it wasn't just me. But that only happened when I was using Bluetooth headphones while trying to enable and use the WiFi.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
Durex,

PDAVIET based this rom on an HTC device and the close function is the HTC task manager. I left it because I wasn't sure about it's origin. You can turn the function off by through settings --> task manager. Actually, there appear to be two task managers in the ROM so yes, there is some redundancy. If people would like it removed, I can do so next time. Thanks for the suggestion.

Regards,

Sanjay
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] cjean:
Sanjay,

As far I'm concern, this is a nice utility to save memory, especially the ones like me that have only 64Mb of RAM. The only problem is that nice thing only shows up once in a while after soft reset. I also noticed that when the utility is working, the whole interface is faster. Look like I'm not the only one experiencing this issue.

BTW, I don't have any battery drain problem. Yes, I hard reset after flash. I can see my battery is going down quicker but I think my battery is showing its age (still have the original)

Regards,

Charles
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
Bonjour Charles,

Yes, I know it shows up only once. I'm guessing here, but I assume that is because once you configure it, HTC believes one would go to the task manager configuration to change it. If you set it to close programs, it will continue to do so. As I mentioned, it is always accessible through Settings -> task manager. So while it's only on the screen once, it's not lost.

Durex is right however, other screen managers such as iLauncher, Pocket Plus, and Wisbar also have this function so it is available elsewhere as well. There are two task managers in the ROM. So my personal opinion would be to leave one of them - not to remove both.

Generally, I've found a number of things that work differently in this PDAVIET rom from Kozhura's. But it is a different version, so I suppose one should expect some differences. I have adapted to its quirks so for me the ROM works well. And no doubt, it is way faster!

I hope PhamQuang continues to develop this further.

Sanjay
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] cjean:
WM5 3.5.2 from kozhura...

Hi Sanjay,

I can see that my french is obvious!

Do you know the major differences with WM6.1 and WM5 3.5.2 from kozhura?

http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=2046&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

I heard good things about it but haven't tried it. I'm searching for something a little less memory consuming.

Any comments?

Regards,

Charles
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] rajivkamath:
Wii this work on PPC 6700

Sanjay

Can i install this rom on my PPC 6700 phone
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ridolfo:
What cjean probably means (at least it's what I've noticed myself) is that that nifty little icon in the top right, with the stripes and the small triangle did show up after the initial flashing of the ROM, but never again after a soft-reset. It is supposed to be there always.

I had the same problem on Kozhura's ROM's; a lot of times the service behind the task manager is simply not started after a soft-reset, and hence programs are not closed, but only minimized.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] cjean:
Exactly!

Charles
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] tedpoe:
Sanjay,

Thanks for mentioning this. I'm using cLaunch for my Today screen management, and the placement of the Task Manager drop-down overlapped the OK button for the cLaunch settings, causing great confusion. Turning off the Task manager in Settings and using pBar instead works much better for me.

Great job with the ROM!

Regards,

Ted

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hx4700, pdav61clean, cLaunch/pBar, CoPilot7, Opera, etc.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] GSX600FMAN:
3 bars with triangle

If you want your 3 horizontal bars with the triangle back in the top right hand corner:- Start, settings, task manager, button (tab on bottom of screen) and tick the 'Enable Quick Menu on Today Screen'.

No reset needed. :)

It appears to do 2 things. Tapping the and holding brings up the normal drop down menu. Asingle tap brings up the task manager.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
Actually Charles, I just noticed that you live at the other end of the 4.5 hour (when it's on time) VIA run from Union Station! And despite the point standings, The Leafs are still better.

I ran Kozhura's WM5 variations. The man truly is a genius. It was WAY better than the HP disaster as Menneisyys points out. However, it still had major filesys.exe problems. WM6 is better, and I've yet to notice any compaction problems with WM 6.1. There is an old but good comparison between WM5 and WM6 at: http://blogs.msdn.com/jasonlan/arch...-vs-windows-mobile-6-comparison-document.aspx

The key things I've noticed about WM6 are that it's faster and more stable. No doubt Kozhura's WM5 ROMs were great, but I think you will find WM6 muc better even on a 64mb device.

Good luck,

Sanjay
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
Absolutely, but only if you want to destroy your 6700 and NEED to buy another device!;)

ROMs are hardware specific - don't do it.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
Task Managers

General question...

The HTC task manager (settings->system-> bottom icon with the 3 green check marks) is the one that can be set to function from the task bar. But has anyone found a use for the other task manager (the icon that looks like a heartbeat monitor)? There doesn't seem to be a way to activate it any other way than to go to Settings, which seem useless to me.

Sanjay
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ridolfo:
It's a replacement for the memory tab in Start>Settings>System>Memory (as you may know). I'm not quite sure if it's even supposed to be in the Settings window. Anyway, if you want to have a shortcut to it, just look for "TaskMgr" in the Windows folder; the one sized 27B is the lnk file, the other one (27.6K) the exe file. Simply copy the lnk file to the Start Menu\Programs folder.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] cjean:
Delete!

Charles
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ridolfo:
Why?? It gives a list of running programs, or a list of running processes, and the CPU time they use as a percentage. Besides, it's part of the original WM6.1. I say delete the HTC taskmanager; it doesn't work well anyway.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] cjean:
Ah sorry, only the points count! But anyway we should see Sundin in Montreal soon:D

OK I'll stick with the current PDAviet ROM then but I have serious Bluetooth problems, here they are:

- Can't connect more than one device at a time with BT Phone.

- Freezing of the device sometimes.

- Can't complete the handshake with BT Phone.

- Turn Off BT and soft reset, BT turns on it self. Turn Off BT, soft OFF, soft reset works.

- Resume from standby while BT was ON, no connectivity.

I don't know if I'm the only one but seem that the BT implamentation is a bit fragile.

Thanks & see you soon at the Bell Center:)

Charles
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] cjean:
Mmmmmm. I agree but I think most us won't use it. I also agree that HTC task manager doesn't work most of the time but if it was working, I would use it to free up my little 64Mb RAM. I'll leave the decision to Sanjay. If the most important thing to me is to have a solid BT implementation. I need to soft reset 10 times a day because it gives me all kind of issues.

Charles
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] zivelik:
How can I

how can i install this rom on my ppc ?

thanks
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ZinFab:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2272353&highlight=bootloader#post2272353

follow those instructions good luck...:)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] chapito:
ROM PhamQuang HP4700 WM6.1 ROM v26 - Build 19591.1.1.6

There is a new verion of ROM PhamQuang HP4700 WM6.1 ROM v26 - Build 19591.1.1.6. :)

I have not tested it yet. Continuing with the ROM Kozhura. :confused:

I believe the version of Kozhura is the most stable of ROM `s of WM6.1 I installed until this day.

A greeting.

Note: Sorry for my English, I'm using an automatic translator
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] elparra72:
Hi Chapito,

Please,can you shared the link?. Thanks a lot in advance.

Edit1: I found it ;-)

http://www.pdaviet.net/showthread.php?t=27980

I don't understand why v25 use [CE OS 5.2.19915 Build 19915.1.2.0] and v26 use [CE OS 5.2.19591 Build 19591.1.1.6] if v25 looks like newer core than v26
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] grayme:
Are these new cores really any better than the others just a few weeks old?

TBH, I don't notice much difference...
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
I don't believe there is any significant difference - at least I have not seen any noticeable performance increases. However this is an observation only. I've not run any formal benchmarks.

Regards,

Sanjay
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] lhasistos:
Hello

Can something explain me ( shortly) differeces betwenn Agasys 1710 and new versions from Kozura 6. 1 , PhamQuang HP4700 ... the only issue that I have with 1710 rom is ( i dont know if its a rom trouble) when I receive new mails in Outlook the old ones dont show me anymore , goes to messaging folder (in CF card) , i can read anymore . I try all settings posibilities , show all mesagges , from the past 7 days ..etc.

Thanks at all people thats make this possible

Regards
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] grayme:
Are you using gmail?