yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] CareDood:
From a gig last night. The camera is decent. Works if you put effort in it. This is taken with gcam. Gcam uses only the 16Mpix sensor (at least I think so.)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/evrt2pz4rYBPELw52
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Tefzors:
One of the pictures I took last night from my first attempts at astrophotography using 5T. It's difficult to do and time consuming considering its a 30 second exposure.

I haven't edited it, this is on ISO 1600 and 20" exposure.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] penfold:
that's a superb shot

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has anyone tried using a third party app like open camera, camera fv-5, or snap camera with 100% photo quality setting?

Open camera is free and should give a good indication if photo quality is improved by reducing the jpeg compression that seems to be causing the oil color blur with the op software.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.opencamera
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] CareDood:
Thanks.

Tried opencamera also. Images came out very grainy and terrible looking. That shot above is taken with Google Cam. Probably the version which was first optimized for 820/821/835. The one with no hdr settings in the menu at all.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] iamterence:
Okay so, what's really good with this camera? I've been seeing so many mixed reports of the camera being really good, and then the whole "oil painting" quality.

I'm waiting for my 5T in the mail, and this'll be my first OP device ever. Camera isn't super important to me, but I'd like to have something that out-preforms my current Nexus 5X.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] AcmE85:
If you don't care for the second sensor, not much in my opinion.

Lowlight is probably not bad, if you think brighter = better.

All OP5 / 5T comparisons I've seen so far showed a brighter image, but also more processing artifacts.

In my opinion their second sensor is just there to keep the portrait mode and doesn't offer much more as the lowlight capabilities

are realized through software processing. Don't see any reason why this processing shouldn't also work on the OP5's main sensor,

other than them wanting to have a selling point for the 5T.

Some samples which show the issue:

https://imgur.com/4Xa06lA

http://i.pi.gy/R8p2E.jpg

Btw, this is what their portrait mode produces outdoors in daylight: https://i.imgur.com/5x1ikOs.jpg

This is what my OP3 produces indoors with HDR+ (I stopped using the stock camera months ago because of how bad the postprocessing is):

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=OEk1SkNwQXR3VVhTaWQ5Ulc0Ti1feXZ1WmNyN2VR

There is just no competition.

The fact that most will look at their photos on their phone and that many samples online are downsampled is probably the reason many don't see this issue.

As much as I would like to upgrade to the OP5T, I am keeping my OP3 because of the camera.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] TurboBot247:
I understand what you're getting at. However, your two example images from the 5T don't really demonstrate the issue you're talking about to the severity you're talking about. OnePlus's post processing isn't good and it does process detail out of the second image, but the detail loss is quite miniscule. And that aside, it's quite a good picture. The first picture was compressed due to imgur, so it wasn't really indicative. Also, since you'd probably be more knowledgeable on this topic than me, I wonder: other than the dot pattern issue at full crop, what's wrong with the GCam on the 5T? On the 5, it seems to work well.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] subashchandran:
Read my camera review here: https://xdaforums.com/oneplus-5t/how-to/camera-review-unassuming-bea5t-t3712219
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Prevelation:
Well
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Prevelation:
New try
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] R3b00t369:
my first low light experiences:

https://imgur.com/a/qGfQi

[IMG="Brühl, Germany"]https://i.imgur.com/siF5PiGr.jpg[/IMG]
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] gianton:
It looks great in my eyes!
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] R3b00t369:
Yeah, I'm totally satisfied with it!

Gesendet von meinem ONEPLUS A5010 mit Tapatalk
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] iamterence:
Took this while waiting for the bus at work. Post edited in VSCO

https://imgur.com/gallery/y8AhD

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Clearly I'm a scrub at sharing images on Tapatalk lol. Let me know if you guys can see the picture
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] gianton:
You'd have to edit it, can't see the pic.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Bucika:
Nice!!

How did you get the watermark, tho?
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] subashchandran:
It's a setting/option in the stock camera app.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Soufiansky:
These shots are amazing !
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Ziltoidia:
Here's two extremely low light photos, both were taken with pro mode and both without any editing, I'm quite satisfied with these if I must say!
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Jooosty:
:silly: Stock cam with low light gun range.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] berezker:
Lmao :laugh:

what shooting range got an image of a zombified rocket man? (Kim jung un)
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Jooosty:
This is in Tracy, California.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] iamterence:
I took this with the new updated and edited in VSCO
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] bkeaver:
The newest update did improve the camera quality for sure
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Lightisol:
Shot in RAW and edited with Snapseed and Lightroom Mobile
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] yelov:
I'm assuming photography is your hobby, right? Those are some really good shots, making the most out of that small sensor.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Lightisol:
Yes that's true, I am quite happy with the quality using Pro Mode and a tripod in low light. Of course that's not really an option at all times.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Jooosty:
The 5T might just be the whole package after all!!
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] iamterence:
These look like some damn DSLR pictures.

I can't even imagine what you'd do with a Pixel 2 XL.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Lightisol:
Thank you :) What I did notice is that the pictures weren't too sharp (although I haven't tried manual focus yet). Dynamic range was better than I expected though.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] jomaga:
Edited
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Lightisol:
I tested some low light shots, quality is very good
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] jomaga:
HDR+ with Arnova's Gcam 5.1.018 v 1.1
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] TurboBot247:
Were these (other than the Arnova8G2 pictures above) taken with the OnePlus camera v2.5.11 from the OOS 4.7.4 update? When you guys get the update, can someone do a photo comparison between OOS 4.7.2 and 4.7.4?
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] brainscollector:
Some people just don't understand that most cameras now days are just **** if not used with pro mode. I was using OnePlus 2 before 5t with 2 weeks of LG G6 between, and believe me or not, you would be f** disappointed with LG G6 camera. First of all it is impossible to edit photos from g6 in Lightroom, second there is a lot of problems with editing raws if they actually are editable - ridiculously bad shadow graining, poor highlights rescue, it's just pure ****. Now I'm on 5t and I'm impressed with dynamic range this camera is capable of with raw editing, I can easily slide along 2ev of brightness, take full advantage of highlight without any data lost and color misinterpretation (like it was in op 2 and g6), shadows are at least good. If any of you could feel disappointed, then he should use g6 for a few days and then go back to 5t just to have some comparison.

Also - metal beats glass, never buy glass phone, you will be worried every day it will just f up. I'm using phone without any silicone condoms as long as someone will invent one without screen rant that won't collect dust from everywhere. Soon I will take phone to the willd and show ya all beauty of Edinburgh and prove this camera isn't **** at all
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] DoKaTSuYa:
This camera is great, but just miss OIS, so not perfect...
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] iamterence:
Getting better...
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] alexkara:
Camera is good

The camera is good. I think she's shooting better than Google. When you zoom/150-300%/ in on a white and blue background, Google is visible on tiles.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] vineetjoseph:
After the latest update.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] BullHorn7:
Random bushes and funky shadows taken with my 5T after the update from a couple of days ago using Auto mode on the stock camera app.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] vineetjoseph:
Some random shots this evening
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] diminou91:
Tested low-light photography with the previous update. Waiting for the occasion to test the latest one! :)
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] meboy:
Agree. The field shot is a blurry mess. Even the barn with lots of light is quite bad.

People are bad judges.

Take this shot with even a mid level Fujifilm X and prime lens and you will see the massive difference.

But the note 8 and others are the same. 5t looks a little worse than average.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] geekmax:
A few clicks of mine.

Default settings
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] funnoam:
Some random shots with a bit of editing.

I'm totally fine with the camera quality atm!
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Adam3Sixty:
Just a couple I took so far.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Elsydeon:
I could swear on the latest 4.7.5 update that has camera app version 2.5.15, that the camera's HQ mode produces a slightly sharper and less noisy image than auto HDR mode, if you zoom into the picture on a PC monitor. HQ seems to preserve texture detail better as well. Previously I don't think there was much of a difference between the two. Anybody else want to test and see what they think?
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] AndroidGX:
Camera quality on 4.7.5 looks now almost perfect, what an excellent news! :good: just in time before my "white" holidays ;)

Will do a couple of some nice shots soon :highfive:

OnePlus team did a great job on that, the only feature needed now is stabilization feature (I hope).
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Nathanael_Mtd:
I recieved my OP5T this monday and I tried to make some pictures at a concert.

Just Photo mode, no Pro mode and not edited pictures.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] --anx--:
Three shots from 4.7.4 firmware, now I've updated manually with 4.7.5, I'll test some new shots.

Overall I like camera performance, love the portrait feature.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] xyourxhighnessx:
Portrait mode. Random shot in a grocery store
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] meboy:
Would like to see some random indoor, medium light shots. Usually what they struggle with.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] CareDood:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BcxTXglHAgZ/

Too bad pro mode only uses thr 16Mpix cell. From my testing, 20Mpix is only used on full auto and very dark scenes.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] RohanM:
Morning shot.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] paliyoes:
So what do you think OnePlus 5T gets the better quality in photos? Pro mode or HDR in Photo mode?
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] DoKaTSuYa:
Your question is really weird. What do you mean by pro mode ? pro mode but stay in automatic or manual ?...

Otherwise, looks like most of the OnePlus 5T's owners don't know how to take good photos...
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] paliyoes:
I wanted to know if do you think if it's better to shoot photos in Pro mode (with everything in automatic) or is better to shoot in regular mode with automatic HDR or HQ.

I was also thinking that maybe is better to shoot in the night with Pro mode using high speed due to the lack of image stabilization. After that with the raw media is likely that some info could be restored.

Enviado desde mi ONEPLUS A5010 mediante Tapatalk
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Gianlucore92:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bc0VM7vneN-/

my best pic. Pro Mode 30s Exp
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] the Doctor:
Here's a few from the Angkor Wat ruins in Siem Reap, Cambodia.

The middle carving is apparently a dinosaur:
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] iamterence:
My beautiful little furbaby princess
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] alexkara:
new camera

I think the camera OnePlus Camera 2.5.20 plus

OnePlus Camera Service 2.1.12 from is a lot better .
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] ps000000:
Liquid Remix ROM (8.0)

Google camera mod (MGC_5.1.018_7.0+C2API_min.apk)

HDR+ = ON

(selective touch focus not work

only center auto focus)

shot in my house area

BUG: see dot pattern in sky

https://i.imgur.com/huVLQ2R.jpg

:fingers-crossed:
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] nicorvienne:
Hi,

Moon taken by freehand shot - 'Camera FV5' with max zoom and no post editing!
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] DoKaTSuYa:
This thread is really funny :D
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Misanful:
Cats, nothing more needs to be said <3
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] geminium:
Well it's all cool when you shot without zoom.

Try zooming in low light. You'll be surprised :crying:
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] txx1219:
Try zooming in low light with S8, you will see it's so blurry.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] geminium:
How about zooming at bright. Any other phone has this oil painting effect?
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] arjun2312:
Cats
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] cd993:
Cat :)
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] the Doctor:
Not taken with my OP5T, but hey, it's a cat pic. :p Meet Bruce in all of his epic Christmas glory!

I'll post some more pics taken with my OP5T later.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] raptor2003:
Xda is turning into a cat pic forum... Anybody has a dog ? :)

Good pictures guys.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] mmystere68:
My best shots

Stock app, auto mode
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] iamterence:
That first and last shot are absolutely killer
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] fattymcdirty:
Definitely not satisfied with the 5T. Had the 3t beforce, Google Camera was working PERFECTLY taking brilliant pictures.. without DOTS in EVRRY situation. Now with the 5t, the normal camera is working ao lala and google camera is only working partially and without touch focus and full of dots.. sorry.. for a 500eur phone... if only i stayed on my 3t... :(
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] presets:
I don´t really think that a Pixel, Mate 10 or S8 would have made better pictures. Especially the moon in the first picture is really clear and not blown out like normally. I was thinking that this camera is bad like many people telling but those pictures are very nice :good: Beautiful city btw. Where is it?
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] mmystere68:
Its the view from my hotel room in Lille, France :)
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Paz9:
what do you guys use?

4:3? 16:9? 1:1?
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Lazyboy-Summit:
This is what I clicked on Pro mode
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] PriPhaze:
Try to practice more with pro mode, the pic is overxposed or maybe that's the result you was looking for?
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] mafioso16:
Managed to capture these beautiful food shots (sorry) before the little cam fix in 4.7.6.

All pics taken on 4.7.5. :).

Tell me what you think! I am very impressed, coming from a OnePlus X.

Did a lowlight comparison with a mate's S8 in hand in a very dark room, OP5T won (honestly) but the pictures are rather unfitting for this thread.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Lazyboy-Summit:
Yes..

Yea pic is overexposed but its about 9pm at night.. amd i wanted to capture running light as u can see at left bottom of the photo.. so thats the reason for more exposure
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] PriPhaze:
Ahh right that makes sense , i just notice that.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] geminium:
Damn, your steak is looking good
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Endain42:
Stock camera :)
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] alexkara:
Check out, there is a new version of oneplus.camera 2.5.21 (20420195) in apkmirror. These are new versions delivered by developers prior to their inclusion in official updates.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] PriPhaze:
That didn't load for me
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Endain42:
Thank you my dear, I did somthing wrong probably. Now it should be ok ::D
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] the Doctor:
It's funny that sometimes our pizza gets delivered in a clock box.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] PriPhaze:
Is that stock camera? If so which version? And HDR on?

Thanks in advance
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] the Doctor:
Stock camera app in OOS Oreo Beta, no HDR, but double pepperoni :)
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] abhishek0704:
Few shots from my side too!..:laugh:
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] techlogik:
Mine versus daughters iPhone 7 plus.

You tell me which you like better.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] bkeaver:
First pic looks better to me. But that's just my opinion
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] marselcj:
First is better.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] DoKaTSuYa:
I bet first is IPhone 7 Plus and it looks better yeah.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] ts1506:
Got my 5T 2 days ago, and clicked this today.

Kinda shaky, as I clicked it handheld. Clicked in RAW, with 2 sec shutter and ISO 100 and edited in Lightroom Mobile. Came out better than I expected.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] iamterence:
I'm pretty sure the first one is the 5T, correct?

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Finally starting to get the hang of this camera a bit! Also I swear photos are better with OB1.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Paradoxxx:
First one all the way.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] rocky4android:
Potrait mode - macro photography
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] thez3ro:
Bit of snapseed editing on both images, nothing much
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] zarboga:
Love the right photo

Mind to share your setting sir?
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] abhishek0704:
Shutter speed 5 sec and iso 100, pro mode
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] stanley08:
First one definitely in my Opinion. That the 7 Plus? :p
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] ts1506:
Kuala Lumpur skyline

Captured in stock app, handheld manual mode. Developed in Lightroom mobile.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] cd993:
Westminster, U.K
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] cd993:
Very pleased with this camera :)
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] 2015Ducatimulti:
is that bunny and what kind?
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] top1610:
Yes, the breed is called lionhead rabbit :D
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] cd993:
Love the way the light highlights here
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] meboy:
This camera is so inconsistent.

Some of the most true to life shots I've seen and the most jokingly bad.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] crazykas:
ROM? Camera (stock or modded)?
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] cd993:
Codename Ph with its built in Google camera (not the gcam port)
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] OldMidnight:
Even inside the eyes????

(Shot using gcam ported on op5t)
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] MunkyButt:
Beta 2. Stock camera with edits in Snapseed
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] NOSTALGIA:
not really the best

ps:. dear oneplus, the camera in the 5t really suck. sorry. im a fan of oneplus but the camera on the op3 is way better than the 5t. you need to address this
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] pargas:
Stock camera. Raw. Edited with light room.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] Paradoxxx:
The hardware isn't bad. The software sucks. Softens everything excessively. Gcam > OOS Camera
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] NOSTALGIA:
true. they really need to up the software processing. at first i was saying camera was fine, but a little while after taking so many shots i realized thats its really over saturating everything... plus that oil painting effect is really bothering me. maybe im just looking for something better coz i previously was using a dslr but coming from a oneplus 3, can really say that oneplus3 was way better. zzz. i hope they can bring the game up, at least not to that pixel level but at least somehow make a difference. the hardware is good, yeah i would agree, but without a better software performance, its just a waste, was considering to get the xz compact and this and at some point even the s8+, but chose this phone because of the near stock experience plus im an early supporter of oneplus. hope its not too late. camera is really good when it works well but it somehow not peforming most of the time.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] arka.b:
Wonderful Pictures

Really loved and enjoyed going through all the camera shots from different users.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] kolembo:
Disregarding the mess on my bedside table - I think it's a great low-light shot.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] cd993:
Great low light shot
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] cameron1292:
Totally unedited shot. HDR is obviously on
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] NOSTALGIA:
earlier
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] the Doctor:
You should have done a before & after pic! :D
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] aleck0112:
lol where are you and why is that box in Vietnamese:laugh:
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] the Doctor:
I was in Cambodia. Apparently they import clocks from Vietnam, but I heard that the pizza recipe was from Australia.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] PriPhaze:
Which version of the camera are you using? I dunno but for me the indoor shots of people are really bad!

Outdoor are the opposite, im running OnePlus Camera 2.5.21
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] cameron1292:
I'm on the ob3 so the stock camera on that. I don't think I've taken any indoor pics of people yet. Only had the phone for 2 weeks.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] PriPhaze:
ugh ok thank you but what is you camera versión? Can you check anyways?

Really you should give a try to the indoor photos with and without HDR....

With HDR it becomes worse! and without it is kinda decent but not on par even with some cheap phones :/

Seriously my Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Camera with Gcam is taking better indoor pics than the OP5T... no kidding.

And all that because of the ridiculous post processing OnePlus implemented since im well aware that the camera is capable of more.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] cameron1292:
Unfortunately not. I've switched roms so I can't check. I was on Theone5tOS current release.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] PriPhaze:
It's cool man, thank you for the quick replies.

I'm currently unrooted and running stock oreo stable; will keep trying different camera versions and see if it improves the quality with one of them.
[OnePlus 5T  Guides, News, & Discussion] justibasa:
Sunset tonight.