yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] nottoosmart:
i say 3 days
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] bhamanis:
OCTAIVOI's ROM v6.0

i have tried almost every rom available here & till today i liked the most is OCTAIVOI's ROM v6.0

GREAT WORK "OCTAIVOI's ROM v6.0"

after that i add some programs like

battery status

pocket cm

pocket keyboard

tcpmp
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] amused:
I have tried many roms

black diamonds 3.1 is the best rom for me.

it is fast,nice. its the best:rolleyes:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ilordvader:
How can i get online on my Laptop

with the help of My Phone At&t Tilt ?

is there a cab for it ? or ?

Please Help
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] commander5555:
i've been testing all rom's on this page for the last 3 months and the more stable/fast for my current operator's is the Black Diamond 3.1. No missed calls/sms/mms. No freezing screen. No alignment problems.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ilordvader:
can u give a link for it
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] amused:
I agree with you;)

stable,fast,no freezing screen and No alignment problems:D
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] AldoWeb:
I had BD3.1 for quite some time but the mike AGC problems killed me.

People used to tell me: What? I cant hear you!! in all phone conversations.

I changed all radios but it was the same.

Now I'm using TNTs Pro Home edition and it is good
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] shawndh:
This is just evidence that the concept of "the best ROM" is as illusive as trying to determine something rediculous as "the best food". The reason I say that is because I've tried Black Diamond 3.1 on two different devices (G3 & G4) and it was the most unstable POS ROM I've ever tried. Loved the cube, loved the ROM, but hated how unstable it was. Dropped calls (no matter what radio), freezes, ActiveSync always open, buttons not responding at all, rebooting on it's own, and various other oddities. It just sucked! Eventually just froze and wouldn't reboot without hard resetting.

Now the same two devices are using Octaivoi's V6 ROM. Not perfect but very stable and good memory. Have not had to reboot the devices for malfunctions yet. (this was most important for me) But I'm actually surprized that people are calling the Black Diamond ROM stable. It's one of the best ROMs functionally I've ever tried (I really wanted this one to work), but just didn't work for ME.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] endolith:
Maybe there should be a guide on how to choose a ROM? What to look for, what to test, etc. for a newb.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] akashastrega:
Can't really do that as rom choices are based on personal wants/needs. For instance, I want a very stable and fast rom with minimal added applications. I chose Jaguar by NTS. It has a few standard added applications, but leaves PLENTY of space for me to add my own. It is extremely stable and pretty fast.

You may want a rom with all the bells and whistles. So you may choose one of the pimped out rom's that includes touch-flo, htc home, etc. Your significant other may want a purely vanilla rom...just the OS and not an iota more, so that person chooses one of the Vanilla rom's.

All the rom's are good and have been put through the ringer before being released, and after release if issue is found the chef will often update the rom or release fixes for it. Is my rom better than you rom??? I think it is because my rom fits MY needs. However you may say yours is better because it fits YOUR needs...see the pattern here???

All I can say for n00bs is to make a list of what you want. Then make a list of what you can live without. Factor in stability, speed and any bug fixes...then read the various WM6 threads listing rom releases and choose from there.

Remember, before you update your rom, get to understand your device and read the stickies and wiki. Your phone must be unlocked to update to WM6. Any modifications you do to your device you do at your own risk. We will not fix your f*ck up's...which is why I again emphasize reading the wiki and stickies BEFORE attempting any modifications.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] endolith:
Exactly.

"If you want this... look at this ROM"

"If you want this other thing, though... look at this other ROM"

The only way I see of finding out the good and bad aspects of each ROM is to read through 100 pages of discussion about each... Not a very efficient use of my time, since most of the posts are irrelevant.

We don't know what we want because we don't even know what there is to choose from.

For instance, this FAQ says that TouchFLO isn't even a thing; it's a combination of several things.

That's why a guide would be good. Like if the wiki had a short list of all the popular ROMs with bullet points beneath each for the things they include and don't include, common bugs, etc. I don't know; it's just daunting to pick something because there are so many.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] akashastrega:
Well, the first thing is stability. What base is the most stable...and has the cook modified it at all to increase stability?

From there I would think a good rom can be cooked.

Next would be the bells and whistles, the ppc bling. What rom has the bling, what rom is vanilla, what rom is somewhere in between? Does the bling compromise the stability factor?

I know there are some great Vanilla roms out there...Core had a good one, I heard Faria's was good too. I know there are some great "moderate" rom's. I am a big fan of NTS's rom's. Then there are the pimped out rom's. Many say the TNT rom's are very good.

So again, I suggest a list. Do you want Vanilla, Moderate, or Pimped Out? Can you live with rom instability if it means you can flash a rom that does sh*t not specific to the Wizard (like touch-flo), or do you depend on your device and refuse to sacrifice stability (thus requiring a Vanilla or Moderate rom). I have tried many of the pimped out roms, and while they are really cool, every one I have tried needed fairly frequent reboots...even TNT, which I think is probably the most stable of the blingy roms I tried. I hate Vanilla, I'd like a few on-board apps, thus I went with NTS's Jaguar. I needed stability above all else, I could take or leave the bling, and knew I didn't want Vanilla. So from my list of wants/needs I came to the Jaguar conclusion.

Now if I want flash above all else, and didn't mind an occasional reboot, I probably would have stuck with the TNT rom...because, damn that rom is fully loaded!!

So again, even if we could create some sort of rom AIO list (which frankly would be a real b*tch due to the almost daily kitchen releases), a user would still need to decide what fits their needs most.

Here is my quick list for n00bs::

Vanilla rom= Core

Moderate rom= NTS Jaguar

Pimped Out rom= TNT pro+touch

Everything else you would have to test out for a week or 2 and decide for yourself...and there is nothing wrong with flashing rom's until you hit on the one that feels right to you.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] akashastrega:
Do you want an iPhoney? Are you into the bling factor? If you answered yes, I suggest the TNT rom.

Do you want a device that has a few "good-to-have" apps onboard, but leaves everything else up to you to configure? Do you want stability above all else? If you answered yes, I suggest Jaguar.

Do you want a stable rom that is OS and nothing else. Are you willing to add many programs to design your device to fit your needs. If you answered yes, then I suggest Core.

There, I just took the "daunting" out of it.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] gabriel31337:
I vote for...

TNT.1933 Official

(see my signature :))
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] endolith:
Is there a page that explains what "base" means? I'm not really sure which parts of the memory are changeable at a later date and which are fixed. Obviously a ROM is read-only, but I get the impression that people use the term loosely.

Oh dear. :)

I eventually intend to use it as my regular phone. But at the same time, I don't care if it flakes out a little once in a while. It's not a critical business phone or anything. Sometimes I forget to charge the things and I'm without a phone for a day; oh well.

So I cannot change these after the fact?

If it were on the wiki, the people doing the updates could update it, no?

I want a more usable interface than the tiny braindead nested menus that Microsoft forces on everything, but I don't want to make it look just like an iPhone just to be a follower or "for the bling". Big buttons that I can actually press with a thumb are smart. Pointless eye candy is a waste.

That might not be a bad idea. Not sure how much work it involves, though...

:) I'll try some of your suggestions.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] hesynergy:
Ok...UltraNoob here. History to date:

Treo 650->oldRom8125->NewRom8125->TNT1933Tf->New WM5Rom- Notes slow 1800 notes from Treo...INSTANTLY SEARCHABLE...took 10 minutes on my 8125...just to bring up the _+)&_&ing notes screen!!!.....annnnnyhoo...that's not the issue here(but I'll be glad to entertain any queries and or retorts re that issue..solved it by NOT USING NOTES...got PhatNotes...$19 bux...)

Quick question. I've Rom'd myself with the TNT.1933_TouchFlo_Wizard.rar file...first time, thanks to the wiki here and others, it came up with minimal hasstle....you had TNT.1437 TouchFlo....was this PRE 1933?...or in lieu of??

This thread is important because folks like me go here first.....The problem is that NO ONE is doing any documentation on the various Roms....thus giving feedback in a tabular way as to the RU, version, contents, ver of each contained proggie, date of install, date of problem, etc,etc. A database of success and failures....l for each of our lil ol HTC's..thru successive approximation to the goal of stable platform(s). Info is so helter skelter here that it's like the scientists who go to the moon, or to the bottom of the sea to collect raw data....leaving them decades, maybe even centuries to put all together in true perspective.

Now I know this would be a daunting task, but I do think it IS the way to go...applying the scientific principal, hypothesizing, texting and rigorously documenting notes...editable, search-able notes, indexed on every field.

nuff for my 2 cents. I truly admire all those who endeavor to make their environment better than it was...and that, of course also means our HTC environment.

Chas Honce

Ex wm6er who's gone back to basics with Cingular genUWine update 5...then reading to find out what the he** I'm doing to maybe use IT to core/combine with really useful and STABLE add-ons...to cook...my own in da kitchen.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] endolith:
Want to start this on the wiki? I doubt it has a very good method of editing tables. Depending on the software they use there might be a plugin.

Seriously. A forum with 100 pages of discussion for each ROM is pretty much the worst way possible to organize this kind of information. Very disorganized.

Yes.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] akashastrega:
I am NOT a chef, I do not know a whole lot about the base OS's. I know there is a so-called official release that Faria or someone had. I know there is 1437 or something and a "dog food" (or something like that) rom...which is most stable would be up to the cooks to say. I can say though, that I use Jaguar and it is very, incredibly stable...so whatever rom NTS used seems to be a good one. I am not sure how much he modified it, if at all.

Working with a VAnilla rom...its not a lot of work as long as you have the apps and the time to install them

For sausage fingers, I do know there are apps out there that can help, such as iContact, large start menu (or a name like that), even the HTC Home or cLaunch has icons to launch programs or call contacts. There are also keyboards that you can install that use larger fonts. There is a site...ppc freeware (I think), many of these apps live there.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] hesynergy:
Well, anyone with office can start it up in MSAccess...then we can swap tables with each other. But...THE answer would be something like an Access or MYSQL back end with a form front end on a web site. All to be filled in with auto field checking so NOTHING (no info field) is missed...and an auto reporting or downloading of the latest info to anyone who wants it.

Now that takes:

1. someone(s) with ASP(or php or the like for the front) and;

2. MySql or Access programming knowledge. I can set up the table but only WITH ;

A.CONSULTATION WITH THE BIGGS HERE...read old farts/Senior members as to what we want out of this database(that's the way you design a database...ask first what you want out of it before you start adding fields willy nilly)...

3. Once we've agreed on 2A, I'll design the database and reports in Access(just now starting to learn MySql, tho I've had extensive relational Dbase programming experience )

4. Someone with Front end experience is gonna have to do the ASP/Php front end forms, and report generation(canned forms with AND/OR field logic) for search and retrieval.

That WILL work, and we can finally organize the UmptyUMP hundereds(thousands of?) entries here to make logical sense of the quest for upgradage...make sense?...

Oh yeah, we can proly cull data from here...BUT...NOONE...wellll ..mostly no-one has done a scientific entry on their additions here save maybe the cookers...and we have to ask the question..."Of the hundreds of entries on this forum...how many actually contain the data that we'll need????

IE...

"the +)&)(&+!%#)ing ROM doesn't work on my MDA"​

...garbage in...garbage out.

we'll need volunteers to do data entry(culling) on the existing stuff...

Chas
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] hesynergy:
How bout Sausage EYES...er...OL' Fart eyes??...on my Treo 650 I could just barely make out most of the stuff without donning my )+&+)(&%+)!&+)(*& reading glasses....

How bout a ....

Senior ROM!!!​

I'm still kinda in the game...but I did turn 62 on the 4th and...well...I know for a fact there are a ton o' baby boomers out there (who grew up with 'puters...[sorry...that'd be their kids]...who learned 'puting and such, OJT and who KNOW the virtues of well placed technology...(not tech for tech's sake...as I used to push in my youthful pedantic days...rather...WHAT CAN TECH DO FOR ME OR MY CLIENTS...or is pencil and paper the best route??)...ok..back to my premise...

...TON O BABY BOOMERS out there who LOVE PDA's...gotta have'em...need'em...have their entire fu**ing lives in their present one....and would like to upgrade...REALLY upgrade...(I'm still using my TREO 650 in parallel with my

"RecentlyBoughtOnEbayfor $125,letsSeeHowGoodYouAreMyLittleHTCBeforeISendYouBackToEbay-8125

Let's hear it for us OLD FARTS!!!

Respecfully submitted to you young turk...young farts...and senior members..where ever you are...

Regards,

Chas
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] endolith:
Well, the PHPWiki that they use can handle tables, and allows plugins for adding more features: https://www.fmrib.ox.ac.uk/phpwiki/index.php/RichTablePlugin
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] akashastrega:
Well, I am not yet an old fart, but I am closing in on middle aged fart...and yes...the vision issues are real doozies...even WITH my glasses on some things are hard to see...which is why I prefer to use icons over start menu's.

I know (or at least think I do) that tweaks2k has a setting mod to increase font size in some things...may be worth checking out.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] SeanFromSoCal:
Chas, great idea but its going to be a daunting task for this. I'm a freelance MySQL/PHP website developer and to get this information organized right it's going to take a lot of conceptualizing and planning. Probably have to end up coding it from scratch considering the amount of customized features/data types we will need to be grabbing and keeping in mind the amount of traffic that needs to be handled. Access won't cut it in this arena, Access is built for a local database and is a poor choice if you its sole purpose is to be a high volume database server for the web.

Ideally the script should handle the data seperation in something that look similiar to the following:

ROM Release
|--Version 1.0
| --Version 1.0 bug tracker
| --Version 1.0 comments
|--Version 1.1
| --Version 1.1 bug tracker
| --Version 1.1 comments
|--Version 2.0
--Version 2.0 bug tracker
--Version 2.0 comments

This way the chef can keep track of all the bugs and keep them seperate so people aren't complaining about a bug in version 1.0 that was fixed in v1.1. The ROM users can also see at a glance what are all the outstanding bugs for the version they are interested in.

In the bug tracker, the problems should be consolidated to a few issues and similiar issues be posted together. The users must supply their device IPL/SPL/Radio, installed software, information on how to duplicate the error, etc. The cook can then instantly see if there are any trends on what might be causing the specific problem. And when they release a fixed version of the ROM they can go back and ask the people who submitted the bugs to flash the new version and re-test.

The comment system needs to be seperated based on ROM version as well.

I can go on and on and on about what needs to be done, what the database schema should look like, etc. Heck I do the whole thing myself and was thinking about it too. But to be honest its a big project. And right now I'm very busy with clients so not a good time. Its going to take the good part of a dedicated, highly optimized LAMP server. And for revenue generating to partially offset initial development and ongoing hosting fee, you'll have to rely on adwords and banner ads??

Also what do the BIGGS here feel about any idea such as this? Are they interested in hosting the code for the project? Would they be interested in working with someone to create a sister website or a dedicated subdomain for this task? Are they willing to allow the code to utilize their user database so that current XDA members can use their existing username/password/signature/etc?

But to be honest this isn't the best place for this discussion. Inside the "Best WM6 rom" thread?? If you guys find a more suitable place for this please give me a PM so I can keep tabs on you guys and what you come up with. Like I said I was thinking about doing something like this already but it just isn't the right time for me.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] shikotee:
So....... um......... Any verdict on best WM6 Rom? :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ColdSpirit:
Have you read all the threads?

No?

Give it a try!

Yes?

so no sense to do that question again!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Mysticales:
I use XDA Mobile. Have Rc3, Going to update to RC5. Aside from the lag I can get when I watch a streaming youtube video that could cause the tcmcp app to hang, or if its something that is accessing all the files on the memory (Like pictures) it will tend to slow up alot to where sometimes I need to reset or so.

I hope RC5 works better on things, unless its just my error. However I do love this build and it works well and stable, so I plan to keep using it and finding out how to make it run better. =)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] lkmda:
My two cents and a question about Octaivoi

I do agree: it's a subjective choice. And, as several people already posted, it depends on what you want. Here are my two cents:

- If you want a full-featured yet very stable ROM, I'd recommend XDA Mobile R5. It's nice visually, has lots of app's, yet quite fast and stable. Almost no bugs, in my experience. The only one that is really important for me is a not-working file sync (but I don't know how many people it is important for). This might be corrected with a future fix or in the next version. Also, mfazzz and famewolf give a great support to that ROM.

- If you want an austere vanilla ROM that is absolutely, unconditionally stable, then an NTS ROM is a clear choice, imo. I've tried several of his ROMs, and all of them are really rock-stable. I usually flash in one of them when I'm leaving for a trip and want to be sure that my Wizard will behave nicely under all conditions. His Jag series is great as usual albeit I haven't tried the most recent V4. I did try V3 though and it was great.

Now, about this Octaivoi ROM: You got me interested, showndh. I have a couple of questions though (his documentation is a bit incomplete): 1. Does it have the built-in bootloader (ISPL/SPL) or not (I hope it doesn't); 2. Is his V6 a complete ROM or just extended ROM (his ROM is named "Extended ROM", for some reason) that needs to be flashed in on top of one his earlier versions? and 3. Is file-syncing working with V6?

Many thanks, man.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] TheBee:
jaguar4.0

by far out of an posted winmob6 rom on this site jaguar 4.0 is the best. i have tried them all and all have bug and are not reliable. have been running jag for over 2 weeks now with no issue and i am a power user.

the next best one is wmrx or whatever it is as long as you don't go with the touch rom. but it has a horrendous phone bug.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] oblio_1900:
indeed is a hard choice.

i have tried a lot of versions.

yesterday i put the TNT.1933_Professional___HTC_Home_Wizard that looks very cool but it sucks the battery out and is movng very slowly.

i will gine a try to jaguar 4.0 and if i am not happy i will move back to octaivoi or no big deal (nbd) - for both the latest version.

maybe octaivoi is a little bit better. i do not like that there are messages in a foreign language (other tha than english) regarding the battery status.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ColdSpirit:
Right now im using tnt 5.0 and it is fast and with no problems..
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] dcyale:
Lets hear it for BIGGER TYPE! I hate having to grab my glasses to see why the phone is buzzing, or to see the time. You would think MS would address some of this in the base ROM.

Unfortunately I only program VB, not C, and the support docuemtnation for writting apps in VB is far beyond my self-taught programing skill. So writting my own stuff is not an option.

I've looked at different ROMs, the HTC home has a nice big clock, but it crowds my calendar off the screen. Peracount threw a clock into his program and that helps, but overall using my 8125 is not optically optimal.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] JP12:
You should certainly try Pointui, surf to pointui.com for more information.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] tomazez:
hey, you should update the first post with every rom availible here and perhaps the link for all the noobs to chose from..

cheers
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] oblio_1900:
BlackDiamond 3.1 Touch

I have just remove BlackDiamond 3.1 Touch because I had a problem: I could not conect anymore my Wizard on USB via activesync.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] :
NTS ROM ??

What is this NTS ROM and where can I find it? What does it stand for?

I'm looking for a stable fast clean rom.. I can install most of that software myself, so there's no need for me to use some bloated slow ROM..

But I did a search on NTS and got absolutely no hits.... :(
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] lkmda:
NTS and Octaivoi

NTS = Not too smart. He created lots of excellent ROMs, and Jag 4 is his latest.

I'm running Octaivoi v6 now, and it's also a great ROM albeit it's not exactly vanilla.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] charlie1904:
Charlie want wm6

hey guys i got my mda vario of t-mobile but the instructions ect. are far to hard for me to understand can someone make it easy for me.. i got a g4 that was one easy thing:cool: but the rest:confused::confused: