yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jgcaap:
yesterday I reverted linux patches to test. After confirming that it was a bad merge of some commits I am going to release the linux kernel patches in a different way. For now we will optimize the 4.4.21 kernel and later I will add the patches on a different branch to merge with our main kernel. This way I think it will be fine :) I will need 1-2 weeks as I am currently very busy.
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Pfeffernuss:
Okay, same zip, no need to reflash My bad, saw different checksum, so flash away it is:good:

Today's battery test is a complete fail as I installed a screen protector and dBrand skin and hence the phone booted and rebooted sixty times as I kept pressing the power button. Tomorrow's another day :cool:

Keep up the good work!
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jgcaap:
New beta uploaded.

Only can say that kernel is extremely fast. :)

Will share changelog later.
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Pfeffernuss:
Latest beta 1.05 installed. Antutu (I know, benchmarks don't mean much) scores 180k, as usual. With Frankenkernel it's around 182K but those differences are impossible to see plus real life speed can be experienced in other ways like quicker app switching or smoother scrolling etc.

Have to see if it's kernel related that things like Whatsapp Web keep disconnecting suddenly (because the app on the phone is suspended). This would be unwanted behavior, imho. But, not blaming it on the kernel, yet, although have never seen this before silly:
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jgcaap:
It's probably doze... Change the configurations there.
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Pfeffernuss:
No, haven't touched settings :good: Only been flashing kernels :cool:
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jgcaap:
You have a mode activated in this rom that might kill some social apps.

Battery - > battery optimization - > advanced optimization

There is a warning saying that some apps might not work notifications until reopened.

To work around this just say to not optimize for what's app and it should work fine.
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Pfeffernuss:
Yes, yes, all set correctly already :good:

Hasn't happened since so no biggie probably. Was just wondering if you enabled some aggressive battery shizzle, that's all :cool:
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jgcaap:
I don't think it would affect, as I have not touched memory configurations.

I am investigating now the 3k less benchmark between kernels. After that I will release a new stable.
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Pfeffernuss:
Like who cares basically?? :laugh: Phone is incredibly fast as it is, some less battery usage would be priority number one (well, for me) :cool:

Now flashed Franken 2.5 and running Antutu, will post results when done :good:
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jgcaap:
I agree that benchmarks are not that important. But, we should study the reason why some changes happen. This because it might create unwanted issues.

I noticed that with stock kernel from Oneplus we get 173000 and with custom kernels we get 180000 182000.

It is my belief that they are not sharing to us the correct source... But I can be wrong..
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Pfeffernuss:
Okay, understand! Would be odd if they didn't share the right sources though...

Well, here some results, for the ones who do find this interesting:

jgcaap 1.05: 180.500 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/zgeev44zpsx0jnm/screener_1512927893002.png

franken 2.5: 185.000 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/j6ktmfasgvsuqy8/screener_1512929137828.png

stock 4.7.4: 183.000 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/cjzaxw0ijde0win/screener_1512927777461.png

franken 1: 184.000 https://https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/04k0ge0v8oqqjj9/screener_1512928428265.png
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jgcaap:
I am uploading different versions online to investigate.. Problably adreno idler is taking performance down. But it gives more battery in exchange.
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Pfeffernuss:
Great, anxious to see how these perform!

Could be, but not when screen is off I assume, so idle drain would not differ much, imho.
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jgcaap:
yes. :) We will discover... A matter of time.
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] GlowMann:
when I flash the stock.img in TWRP, I get three option which one do I choose? (recently got back into modding I forgot)
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jgcaap:
Stock.img must be flashed through fastboot.
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] GlowMann:
Ohh ok I see thanks.
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] yung40oz84:
I definitely do not think Z RAM is necessary. That is most likely gonna eat more battery than do any good on a 6 or 8 GB ram device. I personally think that should be removed. Just sayin, lol.

Also, when clicking on min GPU frequency I cannot pull up the values to change. It won't let me.
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] yung40oz84:
I wouldn't not optimize it. When u turn in that advanced optimization, it then allows u to change settings in the screenshot I have using the OnePlus hidden settings app. Just allow that app to auto launch. I am going to try the not optimizing it for experimenting, but I feel the way I have done it is correct. If u open the auto launch settings with OnePlus hidden settings app if u turn on or off that advanced optimization the auto lunch settings become available or greyed out so that is the option it is changing.
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jgcaap:
can you make frakken tests without overclock ? thanks :)
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jgcaap:
We are just testing to see if there are advantages. After adding alot of stuff I have the tendency to do clean up of the kernel after a while and remove unwanted features as kernel is fast when it is small. :)
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Pfeffernuss:
App is being auto launched already using Joneplus, thanks :good:

This is default :good:
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jgcaap:
I would swear he is at 2.4ghz...we are at 2.3ghz.
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Pfeffernuss:
Yes, as per his description kernel is overlclocked by default :)
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jgcaap:
So that is why you get those scores.. :p lord Boeffla warned me that overclock causes issues after some weeks.. I quitted that idea after testing also. But i have to analyse more... Maybe he was unlucky.
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Pfeffernuss:
It's at 2.6GHz even :cool: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ig0xz49agahpo4y/screener_1512942929966~01~01.png

Will check drain tonight and switch to something more conservative afterwards, thanks for the heads-up :good:
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jgcaap:
New version and speed is now back to normal.. It was two commits.
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Pfeffernuss:
So 1.05a is reasonably fast and reasonably battery efficient? ;)

The latter I still find an illusion, using this phone. Well, using the phone all is well with amazing SoT but idle... Anxious to test. Downloaded, will flash tomorrow morning, after the overclocked nightly test :good:
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jgcaap:
Do not use that version... I will replace in 5min.. I changed again
[OnePlus 5T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jgcaap:
I need an opinion on speed and smoothness between beta a and b
[Samsung Galaxy J5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nvssv6:
Hi Everyone ! When You have Flashed a custom recovery (TWRP,CMW,PHILLZ...) and also flashed CF Auto-Root, it arrives that you disable the DEVELOPER OPTIONS or OEM UNLOCK by mistake ! Then, when you reboot your phone, you get stuck at boot with this annoying message: 《 CUSTOM BINARY BLOCKED BY FRP LOCK 》which doesn't allow you to boot up your phone ! After trying a lot of methods on different forum,lot of methods requires you to flash stock firmware to get your phone working again ! I finally found a way to solve it and You will not LOOSE YOUR DATA and no need to flash FULL STOCK FIRMWARE. JUST FOLLOW THIS METHOD STEP BY STEP;)

*REQUIREMENTS

1. STOCK ENG Boot file

2. STOCK Recovery file

3. ODIN.exe

1.

Download Stock SM-J510FN ENG Boot file from here : Links removed by mods

2.

Download Stock SM-J510FN Recovery file from here :

3.

#Put phone in download mode and open odin

#Click on BL and choose the Stock Recovery file you just downloaded

#Click on AP and choose the Stock EN Boot file you downloaded

#Make sure Auto-Reboot and F.Reset Time are checked in odin

#Click on start! It will take less than 1 minutes to to flash the files !

YOUR PHONE SHOULD BOOT NORMALLY:good:

NB: NO LOSS OF DATA

ONLY ROOT WILL BE LOSS :cool:

#NOW RE-ENABLE DEVELOPER OPTIONS and OEM UNLOCK and flash again your custom recovery and the CF Auto-Root file to get root permission again !

ENJOY !:D
[Samsung Galaxy J5 Guides, News, & Discussion] girlypieftw:
i tried it, the phone booted up

but it's bricked

help would be appreciated
[Samsung Galaxy J5 Guides, News, & Discussion] TheMadScientist:
Thread closed as ppc links not allowed and FRP tutorials are dark areas and guides for thieves
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wassco:
So ive used this before, and had no issues..

i had just put a fresh Rogers kdz on my phone. then used the autorec from the store as ive done before, after rooting.

Autorec did its thing i reset. and now the phone just led red/blue. if i take out battery. and rety. same thing. i cannot get into either download mode or anything.

ive never seen this before. deff not affecting download mode)

im assuming this is a doorstop now. as theres no way to force flash anythign to it :(
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheMadScientist:
So to be sure no download mode either....

Its either hardware failure or some form of a hard brick Connect to pc and look in device manager to see what is displayed.. also is unkown or something else try googling the qualcomqusb drivers installing and then check device manager
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wassco:
Thanks for the suggestions. Ill attempt.

At the moment. when i just power it on it waits a few seconds then just red/blue led flash. if i attempt to recovery, red/blue flash. if i attempt download mode. blue led for like .05 seconds, then about 5 seconds later it does it again for .5 seconds. etc etc.

All this from that atupid Autorec app. such a pain. lol
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wassco:
I Found exactly what i was looking for. I was at least able to get TWRP back on the phone after digging deeper after your reply. thank you so much!

p.s BoardDiag is the greatest app ever! lol
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheMadScientist:
Your device is hard bricked there are various threads on repair
[LG G5 Questions & Answers] allthedogs:
Hello, guys, I'm wondering if TWRP could be installed to the LG G5 US992?

In my understanding, H850 is OK to install, but how about the US992?

Please let me know if doing that will brick my phone or not. :confused:

Thanks!
[LG G5 Questions & Answers] tabphone4545123:
HI

I'm wondering how to flash my lg l5 US992 with TWRP or another recovery if anyone has an answer please contact me at tabphone4545123@gmail.com
[LG G5 Questions & Answers] daoviethai_78:
Are you sure ?
[Nokia 6 Guides, News, & Discussion] yosol:
Hey guys ...

I have maybe a good news :D

As i saw some news in the Internet .. the Nokia 6 phones start getting Android 8.0 Oreo version

Maybe the update going rolling out gradually :p

As here in the photo, we see the update rolls out to the Nokia 8

But actually the update rolls Nokia 5, Nokia 6, and Nokia 8
[Nokia 6 Guides, News, & Discussion] TheMadxtremist:
I think the title of the post is misleading. The Oreo update has only been seen on Nokia 8. Juho Sarvikas has announced it only for Nokia 8 officially, as of yet. No other Nokia variant has got Oreo as of right now. Maybe we'll get it soon but it definitely hasn't started "hitting Nokia 6". Some people haven't even received monthly patches yet.
[Moto G 2014 LTE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RobaQ89:
Hi,

Can someone help me with my phone issue? I had an android 5 version for a long time and there was no problems. I decided to update my phone so I have unlocked phone, rooted, installed twrp and installed android version 6 from this site. After about a month I recived the error message: please reinsert the SD Card. Only restart helps. Sometime for a few days and sometime for a few minutes. I used this verson for couple of months and I decided to install lineage os and the android 7. After a 2 months I recived the same message. Only restart help to fix it but also it help only for couple of days or sometimes it crash again after a 5 minutes. I got a 3 sd cards - 32 GB Kingston 10 class, 16 GB SanDisk 10 Class and 16 GB SanDisk 10 Class (android familiar) and all got the same crash. Im almost sure that this is not a hardware problem. If I format my Card it helps for at least a month. But I dont want to format my sd card all the time. Mayby I forgot to patch something? Like firmware or something else? Mayby something is not working propertly with android 6+ but its work on android 5? Or mayby its becouse I changed the stock ROM?

Thanks for any help and all advice (sorry for my english)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] cesarblackwind:
Mod Edit
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] myechophone:
Contact t-mobile. Pay off the phone if not done yet. The carrier can unlock it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] j_hansen:
carrier can request the unlock code from Samsung if they don't already have it, usually takes a week or two
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] eldar4uk:
I think first of all you should contact the guy who sold you this phone and he can provide you samsung note8 sim unlock code or some money for getting network unlock code from third party service
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] RossTeagan:
If it says "invalid sim card" doesn't really means that is network locked.

first check if this phone hasn't been reported blacklisted here: http://imeipro.info/ and https://www.t-mobile.com/verifyIMEI.aspx

And then check if your phone is actually locked on T-Mobile by doing these steps https://www.unlockunit.com/blog/network-locked-t-mobile-usa/

Let me know if this is helpful
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] julianalaqrua:
SM-N950U is Note 8 AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile

SM-N950U1 is note 8 for US Cellular

SM-SM-N950F/DS is dual sim gsm only model

SM-N950F is note 8 for Europe

SM-N950N is note 8 for Korea

SM-N950W is note 8 for Canada

SM-N9508 is note 8for HongKong

SM-N9500 is note 8 for China
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] oscarhartmann:
If you bought a carrier branded Note 8 from Samsung outright, including those former Note 7 owners who took advantage of their upgrade program - remember that you are eligible to SIM unlock your phone as the phone is not under any contract. I bought an ATT Note 8 from Samsung (former Note 7 user) and I just unlocked my phone so I am now able to use my T-Mobile SIM in the phone as well (and coincidentally I get a better signal at home with T-Mobile than ATT). I had almost forgotten to do this.

Anyway, this doesn't make it as versatile as the unlocked version that Samsung sold since that one supports CDMA and other bands as well whereas my ATT branded one does not support those bands (so while you can insert a Verizon SIM, you won't get any connection to a network other than an emergency connection) and I don't believe it supports one or two of T-Mobile's bands either. However, this is at least a little bit of a reprieve from those of us who really wanted to get the unlocked version but did not want to lose the ability for certain carrier functions - like ATT Wifi Calling, for example, that doesn't work on the unlocked Note 8. At least you'll be able to use SIMs from networks that are compatible with your version of the phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] josephtaygano:
it'll work on their respective lte bands with no issues. especially with verizon. both the international and usa versions will work on any gsm/cdma network; as will the verizon variant. the both the exynos and snapdragon cpus have all the radios.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] joyshvabra:
All the Note 8's will work on any carrier. CDMA or GSM. Here is the official list from Samsung website with all supported carriers worldwide:

AT&T USA, T-Mobile USA, Sprint USA, US Cellular USA, Verizon USA, nTelos USA, Cricket USA, Boost Mobile USA, Virgin Mobile USA, Straight Talk USA, Xfinity Mobile USA, MetroPCS USA, FreedomPop USA, Net10 USA, Simple Mobile USA, Tracfone USA, Walmart Family Mobile USA, Ultra Mobile USA, Total Wireless USA, Ting USA, Republic Wireless USA, LycaMobile USA, Consumer Cellular USA, Rogers Canada, Telus Canada, Bell Canada, Fido Canada, Koodo Canada, Public Mobile Canada, SaskTel Canada, Wind Canada, Videotron Canada, Freedom Mobile Canada, Virgin Mobile Canada, Claro Argentina, Movistar Argentina, Personal Argentina, Vivo Brazil, TIM Brazil, Claro Brazil, Movistar Chile, Claro Chile, Tigo Colombia, Claro Colombia, Movistar Costa Rica, Digicel Dominica, Claro Ecuador, Telcel Mexico, Iusacell Mexico, Telcel Mexico, Nextel Mexico, Movistar Venezuela, Digicel Trinidad and Tobago, Vodafone Albania, AMC Albania, Orange Armenia, A1 Austria, T-Mobile Austria, 3 Austria, Azercell Azerbaijan, Proximus Belgium, BASE Belgium, Mobistar Belgium, BH Mobile Bosnia and Herzegovina, HT Eronet Bosnia and Herzegovina, Mtel Bulgaria, Vip Croatia, Tele2 Croatia, T-Mobile Czech Republic, Vodafone Czech Republic, O2 Czech Republic, TDC Denmark, Telenor Denmark, Telia Denmark, Hutchison 3 Denmark, EMT Estonia, Tele2 Estonia, Sonera Finland, Elisa Finland, DNA Finland, Orange France, SFR France, Bouygues France, Telekom Germany, Vodafone Germany, E-Plus Germany, O2 Germany, T-Mobile Germany, Cosmote Greece, Vodafone Greece, Telenor Hungary, T-Mobile Hungary, Vodafone Hungary, Vodafone Ireland, 3 Ireland, Meteor Ireland, TIM Italy, Vodafone Italy, Wind Italy, 3 Italy, LMT Latvia, Tele2 Latvia, Tele2 Lithuania, Omnitel Lithuania, T-Mobile Macedonia, Vip Macedonia, Orange Moldova, Telenor Montenegro, KPN Netherlands, Vodafone Netherlands, T-Mobile Netherlands, Telenor Norway, Tele2 Norway, NetCom Norway, T-Mobile Poland, Orange Poland, Play Poland, TMN Portugal, Vodafone Portugal, Optimus Portugal, Orange Romania, Vodafone Romania, Telenor Serbia, Vip Serbia, Telekom Serbia, Orange Slovakia, Telekom Slovakia, Telekom Slovenije Slovenia, Movistar Spain, Vodafone Spain, Orange Spain, Yoigo Spain, Telia Sweden, Tele2 Sweden, Telenor Sweden, Swisscom Switzerland, Turkcell Turkey, Vodafone Turkey, Avea Turkey, EE UK, Vodafone UK, 3 UK, O2 UK, Telstra Australia, Optus Australia, Vodafone Australia, China Mobile China, Airtel India, Vodafone India, AU KDDI Japan, Softbank Japan, Vodafone New Zeland, Singtel Mobile Singapore, SK Telecom South Korea, AIS Thailand, Viettel Mobile Vietnam
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] frederickarpegio:
Once unlocked, all s8, s8+ and Note 8's will work on all carriers. They all have the same bands for CDMA and GSM. They essentially are unlocked models with carrier software. You can even flash the custom ROM once sim unlocked.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] ultramag69:
Just be aware, if you have activated the McCaffee virus checker that swapping SIM's will also pop up the SIM swap code. It is the code you entered for the virus checker program when it was activated.

Found this out when I swapped out SIM's on my unlocked Note 8, though it is the N950F Exynos version...

Enterering the code will add the SIM to the "trusted SIM list" and you shouldn't have this problem again with those 2 SIM cards...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] NotATreoFan:
Since when did the SD835 Note8 models get a bootloader unlock?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] NotATreoFan:
T-Mobile doesn't use unlock codes. They use a SIM Unlock app installed on the phone. There is an option for temporary unlock, lasting 30 days, and permanent unlock. Both options require an active TMO SIM to run, and the latter requires the phone to be fully paid off.

It sounds like the seller did a temp unlock, not permanent.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] sefrcoko:
Working is one thing...working with same functionality is another. Volte, WiFi calling, etc.

Not true. Not all Note 8 models support CDMA, for example. There are also differences in band support. There's a reason there are numerous models, and it's not simply for different carrier bloat :). And custom roms require an unlocked bootloader, not sim-unlock. Snapdragons are bootloader locked through (except for the Hong Kong model iirc).
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] joyshvabra:
as I know all note8 phones using the same hardware and on some gsm only variants cdma is locked (just need to unlock it)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] myechophone:
If you buy the carrier specific version it could be locked. If you buy the unlocked variant it is unlocked. One really needs to read before purchasing big ticket items.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] myechophone:
I would say yes. As long as there is no sim lock, you are good to go.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Mr. Orange 645:
That's not true at all. ALL US Note 8s support and work on CDMA. They are all the exact same hardware, with the same radios, with support for the same bands. As long as it's carrier unlocked it will work on all carriers. The carrier specific firmware simply supporta carrier specific features, such as VoLTE, WiFi calling, MIMO, etc. Though with T-Mobile, VoLTE and WiFi calling are enabled even on the unbranded unlocked firmware.

I'm not sure what radios and bands are supported on the international versions, but for the US model, it supports all of them. And there's only ONE US model. N950U. The N950U1 is the same model, but is running the unbranded unlocked firmware, which can be flashed on any N950U. Cause it's the same exact hardware

---------- Post added at 09:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:27 PM ----------

Almost correct.

SM-N950U is for ALL Carrier branded Note 8s. So it includes ATT, T-Mo, Verizon, Sprint, US Cellular, and others.

SM-N950U1 is for the factory unlocked, non-branded model.

Though they are both the same exact hardware, and the firmwares are interchangeable.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] julianalaqrua:
4g/LTE is working well after unlocking or you have only 3G connection ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Valdna:
Far from the truth....
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] ClevelandWheeler:
How did you do it?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] joyshvabra:
is it possible to activate european SM-N950F phone (locked to A1 Austria) with AT&T sim card?

and can someone share list of AT&T LTE bands. thanks
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Limeybastard:
That is perhaps true, but then one has the csc issues whereby certain network functionalities won't work.

---------- Post added at 11:08 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:06 AM ----------

I think he updated his original post indicating how he fixed it. ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] sefrcoko:
I wasn't talking about just the U.S models. My reply was about the Note 8 in general (both Snapdragon and Exynos), which of course have variance in hardware :)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] sefrcoko:
More or less...Snapdragon is used for North America while Exynos is the international version. There are exceptions though, such as a Snapdragon version from Hong Kong I believe.