yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jwy2k2:
LOL :D Thanks Sanjay!!!
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Linus_18:
nice job

nice job, sanjay. Internet Explorer often hanging in wm6.1, I passed to Opera too and i'm happy it's removed. HPImgView can be moved to SD Card if someone loves it, this before upgrading ROM. BTPhoneManager.exe too, if all related files can be detected.WinamPAQ is a good replace for windows media player too.

Regarding to games, I think those can simply go to SD Card and have a link in Windows\Start Menu\Programs, if someone loves those.

I noticed that when I remove apps from ROM there's not a increase in RAM (memory x execution of apps), I always remain with 34 Mb free at startup. So I think this depends from loaded services, loaded items (startup folder in \windows) and today plugins.

I noticed also that when I remove apps from ROM there's not a increase in free space for storage of files.

So i arrived at this conclusion: one can put in ROM files that need to be in \Windows folder of device, specifically DLL loaded all times from windows mobile.

Among these, evb DLL and EXE (MSCE*.dll pvb*.exe) and some DLL (for example .NET COMPACT DLL).

If these files are put in ROM, they won't be in free space for storage (if a DLL is in ROM, and one try to delete it, this will be restored. My tests seem to show that DLL in ROM make free space for storing other files on main storage reducing the compaction so i suppose), so there will be more space in device (excluding SD/CF cards) for files.

I'm i thinking it right os i'm making some mistakes ?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Linus_18:
Well a question on last lite rom

how much ram is available for running apps and how much at first run x storage of files with this rom ?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] irfl:
Thanks Andy,

I actually don't sync over Bluetooth, just via a USB cable. I will uncheck the box though, and see if it makes a difference, one never knows...

Best regards
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Donald24:
Just a short question:

Am I the only guy on the world, that has (active)synching issues (no connect) with each of the 6.1 roms?

I am using WMDC 6.1 x64 - the HX4700 is hooked directly to the mainboard without hub.

Hope it isn't the flashing method I use, I flash my PDA on a VMware Guest XP, since I don't get the flash-drivers to work on Vista x64 natively.

The 6.0 roms were all okay though...

What could that be?

Thanks a bunch,

Don
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] zzcat:
Solution for no synch with 6.1 ROMs and Vista x64

With these ROMs, for some reason you now have to manually go in and open ports in Windows Firewall (I'm also using Vista Ultimate x64, and was having this exact same, frustrating problem--now it's fixed).

Sorry, you'll have to search for the exact procedure...
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] albertorrent:
There is 3 way I know to install certificat with HX4700 and WM6 :

1 downgrade to WM5, install your certif and export the registre [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Comm\Security\SystemCertificates]

then upgrade to WM6, import it and install your certif.

2 instal a virtual PPC with wM6 with the microsoft SDK and do the same.

3 The same with an other PPC under WM6.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] tanery:
new WM6.1 lite

thank you all for your great support ... best thanks to sanjay !!
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Huck33:
Thanks Sanjay!!!
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] :
Has anyone tried using the bigstorage tools found here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=298327
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] grayme:
Sanjay, what can I say, I think this is almost just what I wanted and never found the time to do myself. Many, many thanks. :)

As for discussion about there not being all the extra space you may expect from removing files, as I said before, we found with the Universal that the ROM would take up a minimum about of memory, removing more files made no difference. However it did mean you could add a certain amount of files before the ROM appeared to take up more memory.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
ipaqshaq / grayme,

I tried briefly using the bigstorage tools but was not successful...have not given up though. Hopefully with more time, I will be successful. My priority was to finish a rom with which I was comfortable. With the lite rom as I like it, I will focus again on bigstorage. If I am successful, I will post another version.

Wonder if DA_G has been successful?!?!

I agree with you that the amount of memory saved by removing apps is marginal - including in the lite rom. However the amount of storage should not be the only objective in a rom. For me, usability is probably the more important factor followed closely by flexibility.

Is it useful...does it do the job...is it fast enough...

I didn't like unused programs in occupying my rom and didn't want my eyes to have to skip over fat when searching for apps I wanted. This is another reason why I did not get obsessive about removing every last bit of unnecessary htm, dll, and other files.

This rom has worked for me for a while now, and hope it works for you.

Regards,

Sanjay
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] :
Sanjay,

I tried briefly too with no luck. For what it's worth these are the steps I took using tadzio's bigstorage tools:

1. Used hexeditor to strip the first 80A27 bytes from an os.nbf file resulting in file starting with E9FDFF00 which I renamed os.nb ("os" represents named nbf)

2. Changed name to os.nb.payload (did not use nb.split)

3. Used imgfsfromnb.exe on os.nb.payload resulting in a 35mb imgfs.bin file with the following reported:

Sector size is 0x200 bytes

ImgFs partition starts at 0x00480000 and ends at 0x027b1000

Dumping IMGFS at offset 0x00500000 (size 0x022b1000)

Done!

4. Used imgfstodump.exe on imgfs.bin file resulting in a 900kb dump file with many errors including some reading:

Cannot create ahioem.dll\imageinfo.bin

Unhandled exception in DumpImageData!!!

Unhandled exception in DumpXipData!!!

Error! Cannot map dump\ahioem.dll\imageinfo.bin

unknown header type, fs_data_table??

I also tried the nb.split with -kaiser, -titan, and -hermes switches with worse results. I don't know how to interpret nbinfo results.

I'm not sure what to make of it. I'm thoroughly confused. :confused:

! Hola Senor DA_G ! :D

-ipaqshaq
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] TheBlasphemer:
Hi,

I've tried updating to Da_G's WM6.1 as well as Sanjay's own, but have yet to succeed.

Firstly I've tried using the "Universal Bootloader" I found somewhere else that uploaded using mtty, but after uploading it said something about an entrypoint not being found, and the device never booted past the blue-and-white boot-screen.

I've also tried using the official hpRUU.exe file, by first launching it with the official nbf (to pass the CRC check), and then replacing it by a WM6.1 one. This seems to succeed, but yet again it will never boot past the blue-and-white screen.

The screen does read "2.61" in the bottom-right corner leading me to believe that the flash has been successful.

Flashing to WM2003 or WM5 with the official things does succeed...

Could anyone point me to what I'm doing wrong or what else I can try?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] comtech2005:
The message "entrypoint not being found" is normal, after the flash you must do a clean reset by pressing and hold down the contacts and message buttons and use your stylus for the hard reset button all at the same time. In the next screen you can press the calender button (clear all data) and after that wait a few minutes.

If you have no response you must do it again and now it must work, good luck.

Greetings, Andre.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
ipaqshaq,

Steps I followed were similar but not the same. I separated the rom into components (XIP, imgfs, etc.) but the net result is the same - no success. I'm not sure the tools are usable for the 4700 but perhaps DA_G will find a way. So I will keep working with bigstorage tools in my spare time, but I'm not sure that the benefits are worth too much extraordinary effort.

Fortunately, the roms we already have on post#1 are perfectly usable and so much better than WM5 or 6.:)

Regards,

Sanjay
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Linus_18:
answer about installing wm6.1 rom

Have To Do A Normal Reset, Then 1 Or 2 Clean (hard) Reset After Flashing.

After This It Will Work.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Linus_18:
News from future !!!

M$ is developing Window$ |\/|OBILE 7

http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/

hoping next on hx4700 LOL
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] grayme:
Seems more likely to kill off the hx4700 with use of extensive use of phone and camera attributes?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] pda2renew:
Registry protection??? can't install language patch which was installed on x51v wm6

Sanjay,

I found that Chinese Font can't be installed and Regional setting can't be changed. I know that you clean up the registry from Kozhura. Did you "over clean up" the registry to protect to registry change from patch? :confused:

I use the following patch which I installed to my x51v wm6(football), htc wizzard, 8525(Hermes wm6.1) no problem at all.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=361139

Anyone know how to edit the registry to

1. remove protection for install patch to set/change regional setting

2. how to set the regional setting

Thanks a lot.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] andrzejbobyk:
Thanks, Sanjay, I'll check them both out next weekend. BTW - games are OK ;)

Regards - Andy
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] canclan:
Awesome!

Hello all!

First, thanks to ipaqshaq for the info/link on backing up my old WM5 - after a few bumps, it got done successfully!

Which leads me to my second point: there is *no* way I would switch back! Huge kudos to sanjay for the outstanding job done on SL61V3. I tried DA_G_4mb but had a few of the common (fixable) problems (battery drain, WPA-PSK) so I tried the sanjay SL61V3 and it is awesome! I am incredibly impressed with the work done by *everyone* on this forum! I was anxious to make the leap, but I am glad that I did!

I now have two questions that hopefully someone can help with.

First, is there any way for me to put transcriber back on my current WM6.1? I know I clearly am in the minority, but I actully found it quite useful!

Second, I have the HP Foldable Bluetooth keyboard (FA287A), and I can not get it to work. Unfortunately I got it after I upgraded my rom, so I never had the opportunity to check it under WM5 and it may be that I am not settting it up correctly, but I am not sure. I can not find anything on *any* forum about it. I tried WM5 drivers for it (there don't seem to be any WM6) with no luck. The funny thing is that it *seems* to connect, but no data packets are exchanged. That is, the flashing button on the keyboard stops as soon as I connect to the keyboard, but when I look under status, no data is sent or received. Also, I can locate and "connect" to device (at least it allows me to select the connect option) and I appear to be able to "pair" it to the 4700. Does anyone know anything or have any experience about how to set this keyboard up (via the BT) with WM6.1?

Thanks again and big kudos to everyone (especially sanjay!)

canclan.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Casual User:
You could install the transcriber CAB package which can be had here. I got used to using the letter recognizer so I don't use Transcriber anymore. Hope this helps.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
Working PIE 6.1

This thread has been around a month or so but I just saw it. For those that need PIE 6.1, member SH4DY33 has built a CAB for PIE 6.1.

I tried it. It still doesn't work with my banking site, but otherwise seems good enough. It installs fine and can be uninstalled. You may want to take a look:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=365164

In a future build, I will incorporate this into a base full rom.

Regards,

Sanjay
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] canclan:
Hey Casual User!

Thanks for the prompt reply! Unfortunately the cab will not work with 6.1 - at least not with sanjay's 6.1. It installs fine, but transcriber never shows up in any program, even after a soft reboot. There is a warning at the end of the install which says that it might not work since it was made for a previous version of windows media. I guess it was right. Any other ideas/suggestions?

canclan
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Casual User:
Sorry...guess I should have checked before I made my recommendation. Let me see if I can come up with a solution.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Casual User:
O.K. I just checked and you're right. It doesn't work. I did find a cab install that will work. It also warns about being built for a previous version, but it works just fine. I've had this cab package for over six months. I can't remember where I got it from. Hope it works for you.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] canclan:
Perfecto!

Hey Casual User!

It works like a charm! You are awesome! Thank you very much for the time and effort!

canclan.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] tanery:
live messenger for WM6.1

hi guys,

one question. has somebody installed live messenger for the WM6.1 ROM? i tried this for nearly all versions available but it does not start. i always have to make a soft reset after every try :mad: ... i did not succeed. is there no possibility to install this prog? :confused:

please help me. now i use some other prog for messaging but live messenger was (for me) the best.

please help - thank you in advance ...
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ramsses:
Try this from LennySH:

http://forum.lennysh.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=85&d=1206414368

He is developing 6.1 for the x51v
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] tanery:
damn....this version is really working!! thanx a lot my friend!!
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sliders7:
iPAQ 210 ?

Anyone got WM6.1 iPAQ 210 ?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Linus_18:
Suggestion x best use of hx4700

if someone is interested, the new windows mobile 7 theme (working on wm6.1) is here:

http://www.mobiletopsoft.com/board/2301/windows-mobile-7-inspired-theme.html

I can suggest to optimize the hx4700:

1) remove BTTRAYCE and IPAQWIRELESS from \Windows\Startup , starting them manually when needed

2) remove some startup services (using MEMMAID) : BTHID, SOFTWAREDISABLE, SWMGMTSERVICE, CREDSVC and device still working well; don't try to remove other ones or device will freeze during startup and will have to do a hard reset

3) use the function DLL OPTIMIZER of MEMMAID to move \Windows DLL files to SD card or CF card, so you can free more storage space, I arrived at 74 mb free;

4) use light today plugin: i use ilauncher, tasks, calendar, and Metrix (much less used memory than Resco Today Plugin i noticed) and have 34mb free ram at startup.

5) Make your own cooked HX4700 ROM using Mamaich Tools; I removed Navpoint service; I removed Mobile calculator, put in SD card, leaving only shortcut in Start Menu; I removed PPT.EXE, PWORD.EXE,PXL.EXE that were put in SD Card, always with shortcut in Programs;I removed some unused Themes; I removed "How Do I" (hodoi.htm put in SD Card for every need, with a shortcut in Start menu); the same for HP Image Zone; I added some useful apps like EXPLORERCE.EXE,USBHDD.EXE, and many other useful small apps in ROM that I use often (there's a lot of free space in ROM, no need to leave it free, I think this can't make hx4700 faster); everyone can cook rom with own favorite apps put inside there with mamaich tools

6) before changing to your new rom do a SPB Backup and after flashing do a SPB Restore :-D so every time you don't install every app again; make sure you have the old rom in the case something goes wrong in cooking/flashing
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] SleepyPrince:
I tried to remove BTTRAYCE from startup

but that will cause my 4700 to show white screen for 5sec every time I turn it on

which is annoying

is there a solution to it?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Linus_18:
right, sleepyprince

you're right, bttray removed causes that.

The price to pay for skipping that blank screen is to loose 300kb+ of ram memory, I think most users will prefer to loose thos few kb so.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
Good thing for people to cook their own roms for their own specific needs. The light rom I use and shared on post#1 also has the apps you mentioned removed.

I'm not sure however if it makes sense to fill up the rom with other apps. There should be no correlation between amount of space in a rom and speed. The advantage of keeping the OS separate from the apps is that the apps can be added, changed and removed as people want. So unless one is interested in continuously cooking roms its better to keep them out of the rom.

Each to their own however. That's the good thing about Maimach's tools.:)

Regards,

Sanjay
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jwy2k2:
My bluetooth won't start at all if I remove it from startup. Insuffiicient memory warning. BTW found this article by Menneisyys about removing tray icons:

http://www.pocketpcmag.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24993
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jwy2k2:
But isn't there a correlation between amount of space in rom and the frequency of the compaction thread kicking in?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
If I am not mistaken, the compaction thread affects memory period, and not specifically the amount of memory within the rom itself. For example, I have noticed that if I install a lot of apps within memory instead of on SD, then compaction takes longer. Doesn't matter how much is within the rom itself. So I keep all apps (except ones that demand to be in memory) on SD.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] frank.alves:
I use Cash Organizer. It has a database on \Documents and Settings. It cause compaction. Do known you how change to Sd card?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] cyberdude_pete:
Ie6.1 cab available for 4700???

So I'm about to upgade my machine to the lite version of 6.1, but would like to have at least the new IE 6.1 on the device. Is there a seporate cab for it around that will work?

Well, found this. Don't know if it works yet though.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1883685&postcount=11
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
frank.alves:

I don't use Cash Organizer, but usually data locations are set in a registry entry that can be changed. Try to find it and change it to wherever you would like. Might work.

cyberdude_pete:

Yes that PIE6.1 works well enough. I tried it a while ago but like the earlier version, it still doesn't work on my banking site. Otherwise works well and has a zoom feature.

Sanjay
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] lhasistos:
Battery trouble

Hello

Something knows if there are some soft for "read" battery register , WM5 SPA from HP have a big bug , when battery reaches under 10% or less writes in the batt register a value than make the battery unusable for ever (DUREX) post some about this ...is no way to recharge again , hard reset , soft reset , battery calibration by HP etc not works .Its a wrong value inside battery IC ,(eeprom) , its very hard to explain but is as I write you never can recharge de battery again ....I have two new batt from different brands with this trouble . Last week I forgot power up my 4700 under WM6.1 ...battery goes 0% charge and this not happends again , i could charge ok under this new OP

Best Regards

Hx 4700 , SD 2g , CF 2g WM6.1 Algasys
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] cyberdude_pete:
Safe?

So is it safe to upgrade the OS from Kozura's last build of 6.0 to th latest 6.1 build and do a simple restore of my data over it? or shouls I do fresh installs of everything?

Thanks.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] alan sh:
If it was me, I'd re-install. You don't know what registry changes have been made - and there might be key differences between 6.0 and 6.1

Alan
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sergiodomingos78:
I'm having trouble flashing the latest rom. I think it's due to the bootloader...

What's the best way to flash this rom into my hx4700?

Thanks.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] lhasistos:
The best way , for me , its crist bootloader with algasys WM 6.1 no problem at all , dont forget to patch PIE , dont work as is in the rom file , see post with the cab file .SEE INSTRUCTIONS ITS VERY SIMPLE BUT YOU MUST READ BEFORE UPDATE , ALL ITS AUTOMATIC NOTHING TO DO .

Regards
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sergiodomingos78:
Thank you.

Were can I find that bootloader?

Sérgio
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] dennis Miranda:
Hi everybody

Anybody knows where i can find a guide to edit room files? I wish delete some aplications...

Thanks
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] lhasistos:
Here my friend http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=246529 good luck , its all done just read and you have the new rom working in your pda ...

Best Regards

Gustavo
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Linus_18:
ram free at startup

Some tools report to me 59mb total ram on hx4700 , i always knew hx4700 had 64mb.

I have 34mb ram free at startup, so I suppose 30mb are eaten by Windows Mobile, seems there's no way to reduce all this ram.

What will happen if i change pagepool to 2mb?

Will hx4700 be excessively slow ?

Will I gain 2mb free ram more ?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Elis:
Hello as this can be done, You can put the links, Thanks.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Elis:
Hello as this can be done, You can put the links,

Thanks.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jwy2k2:
Menneisyys just posted he may consider reviewing WM6 cooked roms:

http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] lhasistos:
hello friends you have the link in floor 475 , its all there........

Regards

Gustavo
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] lhasistos:
Hello friend you have the link in floor 475 , its all there........

Regards

Gustavo
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] elparra72:
PIE6.1 works on Sanjay's WM6.1V3Lite

Hello! I'm writing this post in my Hx4700, Sanjay's v3lite ROM and PIE3 CAB that I found yesterday ;-)

I need PIE because after a ROM upgrade or hard reset I download my applications in cab files from my gmail account. I harly ever use active sync. Most of apps have cab files to Install in PDAs and I prefer this way for updating my device.

I detected Wm6 and higher work better with 8Mb page pool. Less PP frozen my 4700 for few seconds some times. Using 8Mb rarely is a bit frozen. I prefer to lose 4 Mb but speeder.

well, When Sanjay's V4?

Regards from Spain!!
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Menneisyys:
Guys and gals, see my VERY thorough review & benchmark at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2113596
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
Menneisyys,

Welcome indeed! We have missed your valuable ideas and thoughts on WM6 am very happy to see that you are able to comment on this progression. Your tips on the Fake Server Hack and removing the Navpoint Service are still needed for WM6+ (not sure if others are needed). In my latest variation, I have removed the Navpoint Service from the base so this doesn't need to be manually done after a hard reset.

With Kozhura no longer building 4700 ROMs, I'm hoping that you can offer some advice regarding ROM improvements. I agree that SDHC would be a major bonus for the 4700. I've been trying to port other ROMS with SDHC support but my attempts have been unsuccessful. It just doesn't seem to work. Perhaps one day, but at least until then the ROMS we have are good bases for people to extend.

Regards,

Sanjay