yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] orchids:
Am I the only one who has problems with v17? :( after the upgrade, whenever I quit s2p I get a black screen for 2 mins, then my phone freezes. I've uninstalled/reinstalled 3 times and still same problem. :(

Will try a few more times and report back. May resort back to v15 if need be.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] holmanm:
Please go away. He's not required to do anything he doesn't want to.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] sergio2007:
Miss E with 1 post, hmmm? Is it me or does Miss E sound like Thundy's alter ego, ha, ha, ha. Sorry, too soon? :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ^^rac:
Feedback on 0.17

You guys and A_C!

This version works awesome! No glitches, all album art displays!

Good work!

I also need to donate!

Thanks A_C
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] littld:
Me too, it's good but freezes.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mozillaxom:
Thanks soooo much A_C

S2P V17 working great with my Himalaya, i'm waiting S2P support WMA and Video player....

your the best bro

cheers
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] sigc:
it´s a fantastic program.

Thanks so much
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kane81:
Is it possible to maybe have an option or something, to stop the controls covering up the album art?

I find the controls (especially the top ones) covering up the album art anoying

Thanks for the great App!!!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nikjensie:
I second that...

//Nik
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ^^rac:
Guys! Its cool this way. Think about it, you have full screen album art!

If A_C modies it, you gonna have the same setup as media player, with the album art displaying smaller etc.....

This is great the way it is! (Everything is transparent!)

Just my view!

Cheers!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] theviins0570:
Hello...

First, I am sorry for my english but i'm French!

This program is wonderful, and I wait the news versions... but I Want to translate this programs in French... Do you know how i can translate this programs? What file to edite???

Thanks a lot...:)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kimjh:
setting menu support

great proram...

i'm hope... setting menu support

have a nice day
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] MTM:
Really nice program, A_C :D

I have two requests and one bug.

Request: I would prefer if S2P was in front after I unlock it. That is, if I left it playing and S2U2 kick in, or I simply turned of the screen, then when I unlock my phone with S2U2 I am back at the home screen and have to press the shortcut to get back into S2P. For most other (all?) programs you get back into the program you were in when S2U2 kicked in or when you turned off the screen.

Also, I think the shuffle feature could be enhanced. I encountered a time where I got the same song four times out of six and I have about 15-20 songs in my playlist (folder). It's like it takes 3-4 songs in the playlist and plays them maybe 10 times randomly, then it takes another 3-4 and plays them etc.

Bug: A couple of times my device (KS20) has completely locked a while (less than one minute, I think) after I have turned off the screen in S2P. I then have to pull out the battery. I'm not sure what exactly causes this - maybe S2U2 tries to turn of the screen even though it's already turned off?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] perasite:
Now if I'm reading the GPL licensing part right, then A_C only need share the code for the MAD portion of his program. If he did not modify it, then that is available on the MAD site that he points to in his second post, thus he has fulfilled his obligation under the GPL and Miss E can take a flying leap off the nearest very tall cliff.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] syrguy1969:
Hmm....somebody is not too popular in here!!!!

I am in full agreement with responses to Miss E's post (first and only I may add) all of them from jareth up to perasite, and basically the general idea is mine as well...."If you want to be rude and pushy (yeah....I see the Hillary analogy here), DON'T do it here, you can do that elsewhere!!!!"

I don't know about other in here (well a few have posted), but I don't want to lose A_C's fantastic apps and support that rivals major programming companies over a pushy, arrogant, and downright rude posting from someone that has no rep value, and is either using everything in here withough so much as a thank you, or gathering these apps/info for her own reasons (maybe to tweak it a bit and sell it as her own?)!!!!

Sorry guys....just my 2 cents....continue with the actually productive posts now......
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Miss E:
I would be happy to leap and fly but the GPL is well known through out the ages, and anyone interested in the briefs can visit this site and read what you already know to be true

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License

Excerpts:

Section three of the license requires that programs distributed as pre-compiled binaries are accompanied by a copy of the source code, a written offer to distribute the source code via the same mechanism as the pre-compiled binary or the written offer to obtain the source code that you got when you received the pre-compiled binary under the GPL.

and

According to Richard Stallman, the major change in GPLv2 was the "Liberty or Death" clause, as he calls it - Section 7.[7] This section says that if someone has restrictions imposed that prevent him or her from distributing GPL-covered software in a way that respects other users' freedom (for example, if a legal ruling states that he or she can only distribute the software in binary form), he or she cannot distribute it at all. [ mearly a short excerpt to get you started ]

It should be obvious to any fool that using GPL code but not changing said code yet still using it would mean anyone could use GPL and state "I didn't change it so go take a leap". But fools didn't create the GPL so this is - OBVIOUSLY - not the case.

I reiterate: Where is the source? You must release it WITH the binary (at the same time, not later, not sometime in the future, but with it). It is not an option.

Would you consider it right for someone to take your binary, put it on handango, and sell it? Probably not, but since you are using GPL, this person can do that if he so wants. His ONLY obligation for using free software is to do as he has recieved, release the ENTIRE source of the binary. Not parts. All of it. That's the GPL. If you don't like the GPL don't use the GPL.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] syrguy1969:
Lady....I think your missing the point here....you don't have to be rude and brash about things...you entered a polite, informative thread, and like a bull in a china shop started attacking the programmer and originator of this thread, placing all of us dedicated users in the position to possibly lose some great apps here. If you had asked nicely, or even PM'd A_C I am sure he would have conversed politely with you, and you would most likely have your precious codes by now (which you still haven't stated WHY)!!!!

Please either one-on-one with A_C, or leave us and these threads (maybe the entire forum) alone and let us remain the friendly community we have grown into.

Mods...I vote for banning, this is rude and abusive to A_C and the rest of us.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] A_C:
Suspended

Hey guys,

I'm sorry to tell you that I have to suspend the development of this application for a while until I found or develop another decorder library. The reason is that S2P has used the MAD library which is under the terms of GPLv2. Under the terms of GPLv2, S2P has to open its source to the public if it's distributed to the public. Obviously, I haven't done that and not willing to do so. So, I have to stop distributing it to the public.

However, again, thank you for your support to S2P.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] xxza:
A_C:

I just want to say: Thank You!! Your great work is one of the main reasons that I visit XDA site every day.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] syrguy1969:
A_C...you will continue to have our support, and loyal following on all your apps!!! I am sorry it did indeed take one bad apple (so to speak) to ruin this (I know that I, for one, was perfectly content with you keeping the source coding to yourself). I hope you continue to look into development of an app like S2P, but if you don't, I understand.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] DJ_Nitro:
Nice New Features!

It's very nice to see the last song played shows up after opening S2P. :)

One favor though, I noticed that S2P blocks the other buttons (camera, etc.), it would nice to change that, I launch apps and scripts (reduce brightness, mute phone, create voice notes with Resco Audio Recorder) with those buttons and now I can't do so. :(

+1 to fullscreen covers. :rolleyes:

Oh I forgot, as some guys wrote, the volume is not so finger friendly, one idea would be to, for example, tap in the middle of the slider and the volume changes to 50%, tap on the first quarter and the volume would change to 25%, I don't know, just a thought.

Thanks for such nice apps!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] syrguy1969:
By the way....

Miss E....I wanted to thank you....you ruined a good thing for all of us, and I hope your happy now. I truly believe this could have been handled in a totally different, polite manner that may have had a different ending.

I can't speak for others (and they may not be quite as nice as I), but I hope the mods really look long and hard at the disruptive tone and nature of your posts, and possibly even take action. It is not my place, not being a moderator myself, but I would think some action would be in order.

I won't lie and say I hope to see you again!!!!

done
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vampirbg:
GPL v2 and source code

It is possible proprietary code and GPL code to coexist... The solution is simple... Just make sure that your code only calls the library functions needed... That way only the header files must be open sourced along with the source for the library... Your GUI can remain proprietary and closed... This is how Tivo did it, and also how nVidia and ATI did it... Their graphics drivers were closed source and distributed as binaries... Unfortunately, if your code uses code from a GPL project inside your main source, all of the source must be open sourced...

This is nothing new and you should've checked license terms before using the library...

Also, MAD library is available under a commercial license... Maybe you can contact the author if you need to keep you source closed... I believe that GSPlayer can also be commercially licensed...

Also, A_C should consider open sourcing the program... In the end it would benefit everyone... He'll get help from other talented coders for the open source version, while being able to add proprietary bits to it and sell it if he wants... (but since all of his programs are free for now, I doubt that making money is primary in this case)

I've been using S2U2,S2P,S2V and like all of the programs... I'd like to see him continue his work, and I don't think that he intended to violate the terms of GPL since he did mention the projects in question...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] syrguy1969:
I will agree with you on the point quoted, I think the main disturbance was the attitude and tone used in getting this across. There should always be a chance to make things good in a situation like that, and A_C was never given that chance, he was attacked, and verbally assaulted without prior forewarning or aknowledgement of a problem even existing!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] DJ_Nitro:
I think most of the people think like me when I say, THANK YOU! for the terrific app, we know you'll figure out the way to continue with this project.

Apps like yours make our PPCs better and a joy to work with.

Keep it up!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ghostofapril:
according to my bro syrguy1969...what you did to us , dear Miss E , was just a piece of a ... you know ... and really syrguy bro was polite and I'm sorry for I'm not ... so if you really looking for somewhere to introduce your realley YOU , this is not where you belong ... and you know , if you really feel jealous 'bout what happen around you and you just want to ruin something in order to make yourself satisfy so here my pleasure , get the hell out of where you don't like and let the others live in peace.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] y2kadir:
thanks thanks thanks...

download will be started how??
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bedoig:
A_C, you are awesome! Always amazing work from you. Hopefully you can get S2P going again. I haven't donated in the past (which I feel bad about), so this seems as good a time as any. Expect a donation tomorrow (pay day).

Hopefully the mods can look into Miss E. If it was my site I'd ban the IP all together. Totally unproductive way of addressing the situation Miss E. You know where to shove it.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] hdd123:
A_C Nice One Mate

A_C as I said earlier in the thread, this has the makings of a Great Application - Excelent Work, NICE ONE!

I totally understand what you've been forced to do - obviously your greatness is making others feel insecure! :(

@ Miss E - Fvckin Nice One! - get a life! :mad:

@ the forum - I was following the thread and had got up to v0.15, looks like I may have missed out on the getting the latest? Although A_C can't post v0.17 would anyone be able to PM me to arrange sending a copy?

hdd123
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Miss E:
This is not correct regarding MAD or GSPlayer. Your comments relate to the lesser GPL (LGPL). This license is commonly used for runtime libraries, like the GNU C runtime. MAD and GSPlayer, as they ALL BOLDLY INDICATE ATOP EACH PAGE OF THEIR SOURCE CODE, is GPL. Anyone claiming to not notice this is lying. GPL and source has been around for nearly two decades. Using it the way it has been here is common. Mort also does this for Mort player. He provides a link to the source, several years old. And broken. He continues to break the GPL. At least A_C does the right thing ... now. He knew better when he started but better late than not.

LGPL here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Lesser_General_Public_License

If you like for others to step over the line if it suits your needs, you are no better than the common crook yourself. If you will steal from them you will steal from me. Why you find that acceptable?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] l3v5y:
Why do you seem determined to annoy members of this forum, and to stop all the work A_C has put into this app?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] coodaddy1:
Miss E,

Enough of these attacks! I or anyone else could go around and quote legal mumbo-jumbo like you have. State who you are and how you've been affected (directly) by A_C's programming. If you are the GPL Police, lets see some credentials. Until then, take your non-contributing ass somewhere else!!

Coodaddy
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] syrguy1969:
Amen to that....I thought we would be done with her after she destroyed this particular thread, now I guess she has nothing better to do that troll threads and cause grief for unsubstantiated reasons other than her own feeling of self-importance!!! Miss E....until you step up, act professional and explain yourself in a polite, respectful manner, just leave us alone and bath in your own delusion of grandeur!!!!

Maybe we should all migrate to another forum and leave her a member of her own club all alone?!?!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] del4:
File doesn't resume at correct point?

Okay, that's a downer! :( Logged onto xda-developers to mention a small bug I found with 0.17 only to discover that development has been suspended due to GPL issues...

Well, hopefully A_C will be able to overcome them soon and continue refining this excellent app. Towards that end, I noticed that while the last file played is again shown when S2P is restarted, and the elapsed timer is properly recalled (say at 0:20 into the file), the actual playback is not at the correct point. Tried it several times, and although the counters are recalled properly, the actual file resumes play about 5-10 seconds earlier than it should. Has anyone else observed this? Is this just an artifact of how the OS handles audio playback or is it something specific to S2P?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] iiiox:
First, SPEAK ENGLISH!

Once You've LEARNT how to speak in English, SHOW ME THE BEEF.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Alkhal:
When loud words fall upon deaf ears. I can always tell a snake by its tongue, and you my dear are hissing. I suggest you go back to hiding in the grass.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bedoig:
The real intent of the license is to ensure others don't profit directly from someone else's work. A_C has not charged for S2P, therefore he is perfectly within the spirit of the license. The point is not to stifle development, but to give proper credit (and possibly payment) to those whom are due it. S2P appears to build on many of the other apps that A_C has developed (which have nothing to do with the licenses in question), so his reluctance to share the source is perfectly understandable.

Miss E, you are an idiot. Go do something productive.

PS. Quoting Wikipedia as your source doesn't lend you any credibility, regardless of the accuracy of any particular page.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] petervbeck:
Miss E, maybe your statement is "correct". But, A_C made a great app for US ALL and now he stopped developing just because your statements.

what's the result ? Nobody is happy now and you don't get your code (i don't know why it is that important for you....)

If A_C would ask for money, ok, maybe i would understand your statement, but he doesn't, so why ??? I DON'T GET IT! DAMIT!

Hmmm....i think i 2nd that.....and for we're not alone....
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vampirbg:
Then explain Tivo? It's proprietary GUI built over Linux kernel... Also, how is it possible for me to legally write, for instance, proprietary Kylix programs which link to QT or use Gnome components... There is always a way around it... Except, in case when you're using GPL v3... It has clauses specifically designed to prevent it... Your program and GUI can be separated from the part of the program that calls these libraries... Only the parts that touch the GPL need to be under GPL too...

It's not a question whether he broke the conditions of GPL... My understanding is that he neglected to take notice of GPL (if you had something to hide would you advertise the programs involved?) and is now unsure what he should do...

Since he doesn't want to make his code open source (which would be the best solution, as he's financed by donations and not by selling of his programs), there are only two other solutions:

1) buy the commercial licenses for both of the programs in question

2) try to rewrite it from start using some other library, possibly under some BSD type license
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bluemetalaxe:
AC STRIKE BACK !!!! I think you will. We all stand behind you man !!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] M.A.S.:
@A_C,

I GUESS that the S2P reads only the album art with ID3V2.2 tag (or below).

MP3 with ID3V2.3 doesn't show the cover automaticaly.

What do you think?

(sorry my bad english)

;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] neodorian:
The end result is bad but I'm not sure why people are calling Miss E a liar or an idiot. What she posted was not at all "legal mumbo jumbo". It's perfectly understandable to anyone with half an ounce of reading comprehension. I don't see how trying to explain the GPL is being an asshole or an idiot but some of the replies are just immature flamebait.

If someone writes code and publishes it under the GPL like this, they are giving other developers something of their own for free and for no reward other than the desire to contribute to more and better projects. When you use that free open source software to create something, you are agreeing to do the community the same favor they did for you, namely sharing what you built on top of the free open source code. If you don't follow that procedure you are being just as much of a **** to the people who created these libraries as everyone seems to think Miss E is being to A_C.

The outcome is ****ty for everyone but there are 2 possibilities to rectify things.

1) use code that you developed yourself or is under a different license

or

2) abide by the GPL and open up your source the way the people did when they published the MAD libraries.

I don't see what's so hard to understand about that. I don't see how it's an asshole move except that now people can't get their free program. I'm not a programmer and even I understand how GPL works. If all anyone wants to see is the big meanie who shut down a program then you are missing the point. The only thing keeping this code from being totally legit is an unwillingness to share the code for S2P. I very much respect A_C mbut I disagree with his decision to keep the code to himself rather than contribute back to the community that gave him the tools to make such excellent software.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] coodaddy1:
Neo, my man,

What Miss E posted is Legal Mumbo Jumbo. What is stated there may be true, but is this the proper place to be posting such comments? If a violation of the GPL has occured and he/she is directly affected by it, then it should be taken up with the moderators of this forum and the individual who commited the violation. What many people are upset about is how this person just comes out of nowhere and within their first few posts, starts spewing legalities to the developer and the forum. Who the hell is this person? They never stated who they were. They went about it all wrong. I don't answer questions from a cop or detective till I see a badge. The same should apply here.

Coodaddy
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] lakrfan348:
I agree with Coodaddy. It's just the way Miss E went at it... Can't a person just ask nicely anymore. Do you have to come off so abrasive. Miss E asked as AC stoled something from here or if as she was serving a law suit... No need to go at it like that. It's a shame to go at AC like that.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] holmanm:
If Miss E had stated it like this, instead of like 7 year old who got her barbie taken, she wouldn't have been lambasted as bad.

P.S. She is an idiot.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nqnguyen2:
nice way to call A_C out. i've donated before and i'm gonna donate right now. Thanks for your hard work A_C
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] woyou3:
A_C

thank you very much