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[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] taifuller:
I managed to pick up a Pixel 2 XL about a week ago. Initially I was very impressed and excited about it. 48 hours later I was "meh". The camera is great, assistant awesome at interpreting requests and to me - nothing beats the stock android experience.

Frankly I'm a bit disappointed at Google for allowing Verizon to sell this phone (and Google selling it) with the bootloader locked.

History:

I've owned every Nexus/Pixel since Google and HTC released the very first device.

Before the Pixel I used the S8. I preferred it's size to the S8+.

I think my dream device would be the Pixel experience in the S8 form factor or the Pixel XL's minimal bezel design in a smaller form factor. (angrily staring at the design team behind the Pixel 2)

After the 5T launch today - I'm toying with the idea of just buying one of those and selling this XL

What are your thoughts?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dhaugru:
One Plus is trash. Keep the XL.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] taifuller:
What's that based on? Have you had a chance to handle the 5T? (Not trying to be funny, just curious)

I'm aware of the differences in specs. Looking at value, pocketing a couple hundred bucks while having a very similar experience is appealing.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] galaxys:
Try it hands on style and report back. Good luck
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dhaugru:
It feels like I see something weekly about them stealing user data. No thanks. Also 1080 screen, no water resistance, some new BS camera that will under perform....nah. Happy with my Note 8 and 2 XL.

No, I haven't touched the 5T and have no desire to.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Don_Perrignon:
Do what you want, bro.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] MrMeeseeks:
Not completely true. I just came from the 3T. It was great except the camera. It actually took over as my favorite phone (that I've owned) from the S3. I also have a OnePlus One and bought the 5 but didn't like it so I kept my 3T until I got the 2 XL.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dhaugru:
See my previous comment to give you context to back up my opinion.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] capsnbottles:
I agree, I have the note 8 and 2 xl currently. Thinking hard about returning 2 xl and buying the 5t. I got a locked bootloader also, this phone isnt as fun as a unlocked. Ill never buy from verizon again. I got lucky last year and was able to use depixel8 before the patch, not so lucky this time around.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] nikhil.agrawal:
the only advantage oneplus has over pixel is the price but if you can afford pixel, pixel is better choice.

Oneplus wont update the phone beyond 2 updates, that means you'll have to depend on custom roms after android P.

Also this my personal point of view that they are drifting away from the stock android slowly, their useless apps like clock, calculator, dialer doesnt make sense.

releasing a phone every 6 months is another thing i dont like.

pixel has faster updates, longer support, better camera.

I'm an ex oneplus 3 and oneplus 3t user btw.

but ultimately things do come to your personal preference and point of view.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] TokyoGuy:
I'm confused. The phone is awesome, but because you apparently chose to buy the Verizon version and the bootloader is locked, you don't like it.

First of all, you do realize that 99.9% of the population has no F-ing clue what a bootloader is, nor will they ever in a million years care to find out.

But according to you, Google is somehow at fault for allowing a carrier to sell a phone with an insignificant modification none of its mainstream customers will care about. And somehow this is a "problem"?

If you are so outraged about the bootloader, why didn't you buy the device directly from Google?

Second of all, since when does the Pixel 2 XL run stock Android? Stock Android is the latest AOSP build. At this point Google has a thinly skinned Android variant that can only be described as "Google's Android".

And if you're so into "stock" Android, why does it matter if the bootloader is locked? So you can put a custom rom onto the device and thereby not use "stock" Android?

Apologies but your post seems to have no purpose than to bash the Pixel 2 XL and suggest that buying another device is a good idea. Why do we need to tell you what to do? If you don't like it, get rid of it. End of story.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] 83097markcynt:
I had the OnePlus 5, awesome phone considering the price.

But the camera sucks, no waterproofing, and slow updates.

Plus the updated launcher sucks.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] taifuller:
Well, thanks for your point of view. Certainly wasn't my intent to upset you or anyone else who enjoys the phone.

I never cited the bootloader lock as an issue for not liking the phone. I do LIKE the phone. Obviously I do not think it's a deal breaker because I DID knowing purchase a bootloader locked edition of the phone. My point is times are changing and I either need to change with them or find a better value. I said was disappointed in Google for allowing the change.

I'm stating from a value standpoint there may be other options that offer a similar experience. Of course value is perceived by everyone differently.

Thinking back to the Nexus 5, in my opinion one of the best phones released under Google's hand, was awesome because of the value. Yes, I'm aware that when the Nexus 6 came out we left value land for premium land.

What I meant by bringing up the 5T is - I can purchase very similar hardware for less and run the same applications at no additional costs. The trade off is a sacrifice in screen quality and camera quality??

Thank you on your clarification of what the true stock android experience is. To clarify, I prefer "Google's Android" to other manufacturer's implementation of Android. Is that better?

I got great feedback from others that I reminded me of the non-tangible benefits of owning the Pixel over a different device.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] 2x4:
more like, OnePlus is amazing for the price, but Pixel 2 XL is better in nearly every way (except charging speed)

Source: own/ed OnePlus One, OnePlus 3, Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P, Pixel XL, Pixel 2 XL
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dhaugru:
I bought the OPO and OP2 from them. The OPO, great...the OP2....terrible. I have also been active on their forum for years and that has told me all I need to know about them.

They will not see anymore of my money.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] 2x4:
i didn't get the OP2 since I read terrible reviews about it, but I did get the OP3 and it has been amazing to be honest in my experience (except for the GPS lock bug that was present a few months, which has since been resolved). I am both impressed by the fluidity, speed, and frequency of updates on their software and disappointed by their decision to only provide major feature updates on the OP3/T for such a short time (not to mention launch the OP5T without Oreo)

I got the Pixel XL 2 since I wanted a better camera and so my SO could use my OP3 with 2 SIM cards (for more data), but I could have easily kept it and kept using it past the SW timeline via custom ROMs - even the camera is pretty amazing once you sideload the GCAM mod that lets you use Google's algorithm (SIGNIFICANTLY better post-processing than the stock camera)
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dhaugru:
Yeah see that's the thing for me....I don't want to have to d*ck with custom ROMs or sideloading anything. My communication is way too important to me to take chances modding my device.

Glad you like the 2 XL. I am happy with it as well. Currently flipping back and forth between the 2 XL and Note 8. Can't decide which one I like more...depends on the day. :laugh:
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Gilley:
What makes you pick the N8 somedays besides the screen? Curious not bashing.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] scandalousk:
No need to look angry at the design team mate. Can't make a small phone with small bezels without severely reducing the battery size. Which in turn will make battery life suck.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dhaugru:
I like the procision of the S-Pen. I am also in sales and it's handy to quickly jot a quick note when working with customers to gain contact info or to highlight important points within the conversation.

I also use it as my in-flight media library with the expanded storage. The headphone jack is nice too!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] MrMeeseeks:
One thing I really liked about the 3T was the alert slider. It is so convenient for when you need to silence your phone. I know people are hating on OnePlus and yes there are sacrifices to the lower price tag and they have done some questionable things, but a 1080p screen is fine with me. My 3T screen looked awesome (to me at least). The real sacrifice is with the camera but I heard the 5t has a low light camera so maybe it's better. Other than that you still get the SD 835 and if it's the same as the 5 you get UFS 2.1 flash storage and low power ddr4 ram. Also DASH charging is blazing fast and it doesn't seem to deteriorate battery life. The only reason I got rid of my 3T is because I like shiny new phones lol.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] idkwhothatis123:
You also mentioned Vzw. Have fun on 3g only with the 5t
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] bigblueshock:
IMO, Good luck with steadfast OS updates on the OnePlus.

Locked bootloader on the Verizon Pixel 2/XL is no different than the original Pixel. The only version that is locked, is if you get the Verizon "version". Otherwise bootloader is unlockable.

I came from a Nexus 6P as well. No major complaints. I loved my 6P, however the Snapdragon 810 was complete trash. Ran hot, and throttled when it ran hot. Was happy to finally get away from that.

I'm just waiting for the Android Auto issues to get resolved. That's my only major letdown right now, and one problem I never had with my 6P
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dmb219:
I like my p2xl, best phone I've owned. the camera with unlimited hi res backup is awesome, as is battery life. I like having the latest Google has available. I've always rooted my phones and flashed one rom after another but I'm not feeling the need here. It seems lately that any changes made to your phone may cause more grief than benefit. It really is excellent as is. I'm taking it on vacation next week and will use it and abuse it, navigating 750 miles, pics and videos, keeping me in touch with my work, sports and news, also keeping me in music. Gonna throw the Home mini in my suitcase. My wife said a while ago "I can't believe you have your Denon/Polk/Klipsch major sound system and you are listening to music on that little thing." I'm sure the Home will merge with my other stuff, just hasn't quite happened yet.

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I haven't had any trouble with AA but I've only used it for short trips. I'll put it to the test this weekend. I have a 2017 crv. Seems some vehicles have more trouble than others.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] taifuller:
I use it on at&t bootloader is really no big deal. I was just highlighting recent changes.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] worldsoutro:
1080p is the sweet spot for display resolution on such a small screen
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dhaugru:
Disagree. Use a 2k display and come back and tell is which one you prefer.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] tiny1055:
It's funny how people think the Pixel 2 XL screen is an advantage over the OnePlus 5T's Samsung Amoled screen. I'd gladly take the lower resolution over the horrible blue shift and numerous other problems reported. If Google was smart, they would have used that screen instead and it would easily been the best phone of the year. Instead, we are left with LG's POS screen and tons of controversy. Btw, here was my screen versus other devices I own if you don't believe me: https://youtu.be/esx9Ym-5nZk
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] EeZeEpEe:
Only real advantage of 2K over 1080p is for VR application. Or if you stare at your screen way too close. LOL.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Gilley:
Yea last note i had was 4 and all i remember doing was hating it cause it lagged so bad so I have a hard time going back to samsung. The s pen was nice to have to write things down quick. Headphone jack i've already gotten the Sony MDR1000x's last spring because I hated cords so thats no biggie for me. I'm just scared of after 2-3 months its gonna be the lag fest i remember Samsung to be. I assume they have gotten better but its always Samsung guys saying it and I dont trust them since 90% have never used a pure android phone
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] biggiesmalls657:
Well certainly you might be correct. One interesting point I have always asked is that Why does Big red charge 1K for a phone and they won't even let you customize it to your liking? I love the devs that pick apart Google's optimized software and make it more efficient with less battery. Verizon doesn't want that.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] S0UTHPAWK1LLA:
5T is a nice looking phone with great price and specs, but doesn't work on VZW. Oh well, only thing I miss about being rooted is V4A.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mackentosh:
Essential Phone, with all the updates and now 8.0 is available to it and the price is only 450. It's almost neck and neck with the pixel now and you can port the pixel camera to it
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] garywojdan81:
It's got reception issues on verizon according to some posts in its forum.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] sn0warmy:
I wanted to love that phone but after continued reports (even now) of horrendous reception on T-Mobile, the Essential phone simply isn't an option for me.

In response to the OP, I've had the 2 XL for 2 weeks now and have to agree with the sentiments of others, in that this is the best phone I've owned. And if you look at my signature, you'll see I've owned quite a few. The S8 I recently had was a close 2nd because I loved the form factor and Touchwiz is drastically improved over what it was years ago. I wish the same could be said for LG's super laggy/stuttery experience I discovered with the LG V30, which I still need to turn back into T-Mobile.

The front facing speakers are great on the 2 XL, squeeze for assistant is super useful, the camera is ridiculously good, and the pure Android experience just can't be beat.

With all that said, I'm a OnePlus fan as well and think that the 5T looks like a solid option. I especially love the 6GB or 8GB RAM options. My previous experience with the OnePlus 3 was excellent. And considering the price, it really is a very solid option. In fact, if the 5T was announced at the same time as the 2 XL I may have even gone that route, myself.

You can't go wrong with either phone, in my opinion.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] galaxys:
Confirmed my unlocked rooted Pixel 2XL is also one of my best ever device's!

"The Honeymoon has just started"
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jimv1983:
The Pixel 2 isn't stock Android? It's "Google's Android"? That doesn't even make sense. Google is the creator of Android. Stock Android is just Android not touched by anyone but Google. Google decides what stock Android is.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] TokyoGuy:
The answer depends on your interpretation of what "stock" Android is. The Android version that ships with the Pixel 2 XL is definitely Android as Google wishes it to be, but what about AOSP builds?

Personally I am of the camp that believes Google now puts out its own "Google Skinned-Android" especially when you consider that only the latest devices are given the "full experience" and older devices have a compromised experience. For example, is the Nexus 6P now running Stock Android? The same could even be asked about the OG Pixel phones.

Calling Google's Android "Stock Android" also suggests that devices not certified for Google Play Services are running some form of deviation, when they may be running a pure AOSP build.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dhaugru:
They really have gotten significantly better. I have experienced a few little micro hiccups here and there but nothing that would draw me away from using it or impact the user experience IMO.

The Note 4 did probably lag for you but Sammy has gotten a reputation I feel like they have outgrown with the whole "in a few months it will lag like crazy" stigma. There really is no better experience however than than Google's version of Android but Sammy continues to close to the gap I feel (and with more features).

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No they don't want that, you're right. Why? Because the minute some knucklehead tries to modify their device and f*cks it up they run crying into VZ and hate the answer of "you gotta buy a new phone at full price because it's not under warranty".

VZ makes money on service and they don't want you to cancel or cause a ruckus over the item they make the least amount of margin on but stands between their wallet and yours for the service you pay for.

I would run things the same way in that regard if it were my company and I'm sure you would too.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jimv1983:
I think there is a difference between putting a few extra things on top of the base AOSP OS and changing the actual OS itself. Companies like Samsung, LG, HTC, etc do far more than just "skin" the OS. They get down into the "bones" and "guts" of the OS with their changes.

And if the version of Android Google ships on its phones isn't stock Android then what does a stock build even look like? Even custom ROMs are heavily modified from the base code.

If the Android you get on Google phones isn't stock it's the closest you can get.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] zathus:
After owning the 5, considering the 5t is pretty much the same phone with an updated camera and Screen I can say this. The camera will still be meh.. signal strength will still be crap. The design is still uninspiring. Even though it's almost stock updates will still be slow. Speakers will still be garbage. Then customer support will be pretty much non-existent.
[Razer Phone Questions & Answers] mikeandjaimie:
Anyone seen any developers from other phones/roms that have said they have interest in the Razer phone or heard of any major roms that have said they will be supporting it?

We all know that we can bootloader unlock and root and eventually will have full source code.. Or is it just gonna be like tweaked stock based on sources.
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] dlads:
Hi All,

It seems that the 5T has a low light shooting preference over telephoto and facial unlock.

Although the latter is not something I'd ever use, I was thinking would it be possible for the camera's on the 5 to use the low light functionality of the 5T? I've read that they're similar?

If not, it's not the end of the world, I've took some great pics with my 1+ but if I could improve low light then it'd be a bonus.
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] Rhoban:
I believe the 5T has a different camera sensor.

If that's the case, it won't be portable unless you change the camera altogether.
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] DriftGT:
The primary camera is the same, the difference is on the second camera. Now its nos a zoom len, it will work for low Light shoots because the sensor has a different aperture.

The 5 has de 1.6x len zoom, now on the 5T, all the zoom is digital

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[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] DorianX:
Actually I think OP5 is doing the same thing (obviously with different second camera sensor) test yourself: open camera app, cover the main camera and obviously you will see just black, here is the weird thing: change to "zoom" (2x), cover the second camera (supposed zoom lens) you'll still have image then cover the main camera boom no image! So for 2x is just a digital zoom (a good one) from the main camera, and the second camera is just used for portrait mode effect
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] Kallmeidroppe:
I think this is only in low light condition. Try this again in good light and it would work as expected
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] WaxysDargle:
google cam with HDR+ will give you better low light shots

i took a picture of the night sky the other day and it actually turned out a beautiful picture. very surprised how well it judged exposure time.
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] -PaRRoT-:
We need to wait OxygenOS 4.7 to discover how many new features will arrive also in our OnePlus 5.
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] dlads:
Focus on Google cam never works for me I've missed countless shots putting my faith in that

For the most part Google's Camera is awful.
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] dlads:
Yep that's what I wrote mate.

Telephoto Vs low light I know they're different.. I'm wondering if the software can be forced to work with what we have?
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] dlads:
?? Oreo had nothing to do with what I've asked.?

I only need to know if the camera choice!! Low light over zoom can be transferred. In all honesty the second camera never works. Cover it an nothing happens.
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] Devhux:
In low light the second camera doesn't work, and it's better that way. With an f/2.6 aperture, it just wouldn't allow enough light in to the tiny sensor to be useful. This would be true even with the pixel binning technique the 5T uses for its secondary camera.

It's also entirely possible that there's hardware involved for that feature to work properly too.
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] TheGripper:
Unbelievable bull crap from a senior member. This untrue.

Second lens activates in good looking lighting automatically, you covered the lens manually so it thinks it's dark and it will take the picture with main lens.

Best way to test is to test outside, I can visually see, how it's jumping from one lens to another when zooming. Also you can see whether it used the second lens from the photo details.
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] DorianX:
You don't need to be rude dude... Yes I'm senior member but I'm not a God that know how everything works, I just did that test and see that results, didn't know how this dual camera works. So I researched a bit and found what you said. My bad

Here's a video to understand how this dual camera works [YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/hhAgC1cCMLc[/YOUTUBE]

Cheers
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] TheGripper:
???????????
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] Eric214:
Not likely since you have to have a lower aperture (1.7 or so) a Tele lens aperture is usually higher and allows less light to reach the sensor. With this, it is highly unlikely to have a software update that will allow the 5 to reproduce the 5T's low light photo quality.
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] dlads:
Cheers mate.

Thought I'd ask..nvm
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] -PaRRoT-:
OxygenOS 4.7 is not Oreo, is the default ROM installed in OnePlus 5T (OnePlus 5 has OxygenOS 4.5)
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] dlads:
I haven't said that the 5T does have Oreo ? Where are you getting your information ?
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] -PaRRoT-:
You wrote replying me about OxygenOS 4.7:

?? Oreo had nothing to do with what I've asked.?

If you don't remember what you wrote is not my problem.
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] dlads:
My minds playing tricks on me it seems, I apologise, could have sworn it said Oreo ?

NVM sorry all the same.
[Sony Xperia X Questions & Answers] Jomoteck:
Hi,

I unlocked bootloader of my Xperia X without save TA partition, and I installed concept rom but i want to go back to stock rom(with magisk if possible) how can i do ?
[Sony Xperia X Questions & Answers] Jomoteck:
Please help :(
[Sony Xperia X Questions & Answers] Meloferz:
Just flash stock rom and search for root in this forum, and that's all.

I think that is somewhere the drm keys fix also for this phone, I'm not sure

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