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[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] SquireSCA:
I am with mine for now, but I am "meh" on it. It's not a bad phone, the camera is getting better but still not in the same league as Samsung, Apple or the new Pixels... But it works.

Android Auto is still a little glitchy, but I will give them until the official Oreo release to see if they get the few bugs remaining, sorted. If not, I will get a OnePlus 5T or half the price of the Pixel2 XL and call it a day.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] avd:
Price difference between essential and pixel2 xl?
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] SquireSCA:
If you are paying full price, $450 difference... almost double. Pixel 2 XL is $950, and the Essential is under $500 depending on where you find a deal.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] nrage23:
I really like the PH-1 but I got a really good deal on a Verizon Note 8 so the PH-1 is now a back up. I kept losing service or having calls go straight to voicemail. Then I would not get the voicemail for several hours. I really like the form factor and pure android. I wanted to get a Pixel 2xl but I got 300 off of the Note 8.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] rpk305:
Unlike a lot of you here, I have never owned a flagship phone because of the price. I've always had budget phones or 2 - 3 year old ones and streamlined them for max performance. That being said, I bit the bullet and bought myself the PH-1 for Christmas and I have to say that this phone is incredible.

I'm running the 2nd beta and have gotten a couple of screen stutters but overall it works great. Two app issues though. First one was the Google camera app. It crashed my phone and I just u installed it and went on ( nothing wrong with essential camera app anyway). The second is the outlook app. It closes app when scrolling.

I am completely stoked about this phone, I love it. I tell everyone about it and take it out of the case when showing it to someone. It a beautiful and powerful device . It's had less issues than the pixel, no batteries catching fire and the company that makes it is addressing every issue that has come up.

This phone will only get better and better as essential rolls along and I'm excited to see what the XDA community does with it in the coming year. I chose this because of quality, I'll own this phone for about a year or more so that was the most important thing to me.

So if you're someone considering buying this phone right now I can whole heartedly recommend it.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] tech_head:
I'm running Beta 2 also.

I bought the phone at real and sent it back after all the software issues.

When Sprint had the deal, I bought it again.

I'm waiting to unlock it and leave Sprint.

I have a LG G6 that is great but it doesn't compare to the Essential.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] i killed tupac:
They backed out of their Reddit biweekly AMA's, too. They did ONE, then bailed on it. And, the essential subreddit will ban you if you talk bad about the phone or company.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] MoistPicklez:
The biweekly AMA's were a privilege that most other mobile companies don't even offer, so the fact that they do it at all is a welcomed gesture that is underappreciated. Not to mention this company is in its infancy, this is their first shot with a device, so they deserve some leeway there.

The Essential subreddit will not ban you for having an opinion, that's just ridiculous, I see a whole lot of whining from people about this phone and/or the company, and to these complainers I say: either sell the device, or keep it, but stop your God damn whining already.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] appleguy2:
I think the phone is gorgeous, but I completely agree with the OP about the cracking. Second day I owned it I had it in my pocket. When I sat up it fell out - it is UNBELIEVABLY slippery. Hit the hard surface and blew up the screen.

Before you say "It is glass, what did you think?!?" - Go to their website and look at the video. They clearly represent that it doesn't break when dropped on the corner on a hard surface. It is not my job to dismiss their claims - I presumed that they had used titanium with an isolation layer to protect the glass. They didn't .

Secondly, their CEO said that they don't sell cases because you don't need one. Why buy a gorgeous ceramic and titanium phone when you have to jam it into a case?

Third, if you are making claims about the sturdiness of the phone, stand behind it. I contacted support and they said it was $200 to fix the screen. That is nuts.

I will make an analogy - If I bought the new Samsung phone that is advertised as waterproof, and dropped it in the sink and it died, I would expect a free replacement. I would not expect that for my iPhone 6 - because they don't make the claim. If the phone was not strong enough to withstand a drop onto concrete - DON'T REPRESENT THAT IT IS!

Nobody expects you to defy physics, but if you say you have solved a problem, then you really have to stand behind your claim.

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It is remarkable how big fanboys they are.

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They won't ban you, but they will delete your post. I posted about my unhappiness with the policy for repairing screens and it was deleted in about 3 minutes.

I can't sell my phone because it has a broken screen. So seriously, don't make personal attacks. We are legitimately unhappy with our purchase, and we have the right to express that just as you have the right to express your satisfaction.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] i killed tupac:
Yes they will. They banned me. Said I was too negative and if I didn't like the phone I should just not say anything. I said they must be bankrupt if they borrowed 300 million and only sold 50k phones. But yeah banned. That sub is so fanboy it's pathetic. I've had a new problem every ****ing week with this ****ty phone. They're cooked. Game over. This pickles guy is a mod on there I think.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] Ibanez33:
I'm curious if anyone elses phone has done what mine has. Dropped from pocket height (at this point had a glass screen protector on). landed on its back, however after inspecting the phone the screen has broken from the inside on the top right corner. The screen protector and the glass on the screen have no damage whatsoever.

There is no channel for me to get a repair so kinda just using it till it dies then I will go elsewhere. I started as a big fan of the company and what they were trying to achieve and still hope they have enough success to release a second device that hopefully corrects all the faults on this one.

I still really like the unique look of the device although, saying that having the bump at the top of the screen kinda just leaves you with a fat status bar as it can't be used for much else. The battery life is still amazing for a device this size. So my experience hasn't been all bad and definitely things on this one that I will look for on my next phone.

My disappointments have been the camera app which is improving but way to slowly given how far it needs to go to be good. Their big selling point was supposed to be modular accessories at least 3 should have been out with the phone. At this stage there soon will be 2. Further to that my experience dealing with essential has been horrible, I get the impression they are too over loaded to care. Sadly I don't seem them launching outside the US any time soon which probably won't be enough for them to see a second device.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] SquireSCA:
Agreed. They lost their shirts on this phone. For the amount of money they raised, and then you look at the number of phones they sold and how many issues they are having, its been a massive failure. I will be very surprised if they make it to round 2. Cell phones are necessities today. People use them all day, every day. They have to work properly. In this day and age, if you are having to root and ROM a phone to get it to work properly, that's a problem. It was one thing 4-5 years ago when Android was still in its infancy, but not today.

They had a great concept, but they should have delayed it 6 months and not rushed it out the door. But when you have investors pumping hundreds of millions into you, they don't want to hear that. They want results, now. And so you put out a product half baked., which then flops and investors aren't happy anyway.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] skw5115:
By my count, they've had like 7 AMAs. I myself have participated in at least 3 of them.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] i killed tupac:
raised borrowed 300 million partially using a VC front owned by Rubin himself

about 50,000

So they're in it $6,000 per phone so far :eek:

The big players are Amazon, TenCent, another VC, and FoxConn. FoxConn was the manufacturer and they are doing the warranties under a US corp called S&B in Texas. So this means that, if they are willing to keep with it, the phone can survive into the future. But the biggest problem is that the decision maker is not Essential Phone, LLC (a Delaware corporation), the decisions are made by Amazon, TenCent (china), FoxConn (china), and another tech VC. At least we know they can afford to keep it going if they want to.

I am a bit worried because of the massive fire sale of discounted phones, free cameras, and the "accessories" they launched are just the **** from the boxes, plus some made-to-order chinese headphones. So that could be further liquidation of inventory by splitting phones off for warranty claims, and parting out the accessories (I worked in wireless when Blackberry did this).

We will have to see what the future holds, I think its a brilliant phone, just riddled with problems. I wonder why, when Amazon had such a big stake in this, the marketing was so bad? Hell to this day, their website is riddled with grammatical errors and run-on sentences. I'm just confused about what they are doing!
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] SquireSCA:
I switched to the OP5T on Friday. First thing I did was install their beta 2 for Oreo, did a factory wipe, and then set it up.

Screen is larger and nicer to look at without that notch wasting space, its thinner, weighs a lot less and so far, no issues.

Camera is solid, battery life is awesome so far, and I don't have any of the signal issues, Android Auto hasn't been acting up, and my clunkiness when streaming Netflix to Chromecast went away... On the Essential, I had to keep forceclosing the Netflix app and relaunching it to get it to see my chromecasts, and then it would usually disconnect from them half way through a show... it was very hit or miss and half the time I had to have my wife stream from her iPhone because hers was far more reliable... Irony!

I wonder if there is a glitch in the software of the phone where when it goes into idle or sleep mode, something goes wonky? That could account for my Netflix issues, Android Auto and maybe some other things?

Anyway, on the OP5T and so far, so good.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] cfclay:
Care to share pictures of your crack?
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] SquireSCA:
LOL
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] bL1X:
Best I could do with the lighting that I have.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] cfclay:
That's terrible. Definitely a deal-breaker for me. So sorry
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] bL1X:
It's cool, lesson learned. I've got a Pixel 2 XL now. Couldn't be happier. Thanks.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] bL1X:
Interesting, I had the same problem with the Essential but also in my Pixel 2 XL.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] bL1X:
Thanks for understanding
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] SquireSCA:
The Netflix issue may or may not have been the phone, who knows, could be this version of Netflix has a bug itself...

I do know that the OP5T so far has been a lot smoother and consistent and I haven't had a bug pop up, that I know of.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] bL1X:
It's not just Netflix, Hulu and YouTube both do it. Google Music will pause after a couple of songs.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] SquireSCA:
Hmmm... Then maybe it is something in the software, having to do with sleep mode or something like that...
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] bL1X:
Yep, possibly. I assumed it was all phones. I'll have to do some digging.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] SquireSCA:
I have noticed that it hardly ever happens with the new phone
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] bL1X:
No, please don't.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] bL1X:
**Wow, pompous much?**

A poorly executed $700 phone deserves no leeway at all. I would give them leeway if their first phone cost far less. The leeway needs to go to the people who spent $700 on a POS.

As far as people "whining", what do you expect them to do when they overpayed for an overpriced crap phone and the company that made the thing ignores them?

Instead of telling"whiners" to shut up and move along, you should eat some of your own advice.

The quality control on these phones is just all over the place. So glad you got a good one, congratulations. Many of us didn't, so maybe you should take your self righteous, free speech hating ass down a notch.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] bL1X:
Early black moon, has a multitude of problems including the company themselves. Scrapped it and got something else.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] bL1X:
Got my Pixel 2 XL at $405 off.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] bL1X:
Got my Pixel 2 XL at $405 off. Had to wait a month for the sale at Verizon but am very glad I did.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] SacredDeviL666:
Thread Cleaned.

I think we can stop now with the back and forth argument/bickering right?

Thanks

XDA Staff.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] avd:
https://9to5google.com/2018/01/22/essential-phone-revisited-review/

For $700 too much

For $500 too much

For $200 sweet spot
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] Rahuuler:
I would be rather going for other high-end smartphones, after all, they would give me better performance as compared to essential
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] avd:
Define "performance".

This baby handles everything I throw at it and the battery lasts all day with over 4hrs SOT.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] dandan2980:
This thread is full of trolls SMH.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] i killed tupac:
I think he's one of the essential mods on Reddit. He will ban you if you talk about how lousy the phone is, and they also openly and proudly edit user reviews of it to take out "rants" in all my years in Reddit I have never seen such b.s. as that sub.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] bL1X:
Yeah, it felt very familiar. I like Reddit but some of the people that live there...
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] SquireSCA:
I am back on the Essential for now.

Loved the OP5T. Fantastic phone, fast, nicer screen than the Essential, etc..

But on A&T, no VoLTE support. I can live without Wifi Calling, but not being able to do voice and data at the same time on LTE, that's a deal breaker. Tried different IMEI's that I have from other phones and a Note 5 I have sitting here, no good. So it's getting an RMA and going back. I know, more of an AT&T thing and less of a 1+ thing, but in the end if 1+ can't or won't get their device certified on AT&T in order to get those basic features, then I can't use the phone.

I routinely have to tether my work laptop to my phone when I am on the phone, and I can't have my presentation dropping down to 3G performance... It needs VoLTE, which my Essential has...

For that reason alone, I will have to use the Essential until I find a suitable replacement...
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] SquireSCA:
My biggest gripe isn't even the camera, it is the shoddy Android Auto experience... Half the time I make a call in my truck, they can hear me but I can't hear them. It's dead air. I have to reboot the phone to get it to work. Only happens with the Essential, not with the OP5T or my wife's iPhone 8+.

50% of the time I have to reboot my phone while I am driving, in order to get it to make a phone call properly. Very annoying.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] VennligFiende:
Personally, I approached this phone form the get to as a first generation. I expected to have problems and it does have them. Overall it works for me. Have not experienced any significant or persistent problems.

The camera is OK for my needs as I end up using a real camera when on vacation. Th daily camera use is appropriate for what I need.

Had some issues with a few headsets but that may also be part Bluetooth.

For a gen 1 is OK. Could be many orders of a magnitude better.

However, when I go to the Pixel forums I also see complaints and that is not a general 1 device.

Most of this is caused by marketing promises and hype. Engineering can never catch up with crap that is promised without their involvement... In any company.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] tech_head:
I bought the phone initially at release and pad the $700+extended warranty + tax.

I kept it for three weeks and sent it back.

Initially for the issues, it was expensive.

I saw major throttling, that they have now fixed along with the camera issues.

I saw it on sale at Sprint and bought it.

I'm waiting for it to unlock so I can move it to Verizon.

Oreo B3 has been great so far.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] Sampson0420:
I like it, alot.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] SacredDeviL666:
Thread cleaned.

Kindly adhere to forum rules.

Thanks

XDA Staff.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] Airwolf79:
Hey man, bummer the 5T didn't work out for ya. I have both the PH1 and 5T and I switch between the two every couple days. I haven't had a single issue with Android Auto from either phone, aside from the occasional disconnect. I did have a connection issue on the 5T running a custom ROM, but switched to midi connection instead of charging and that solved it. My truck is a 2016 Chevy Colorado Dmax. It seems that a lot of Android Auto issues have to do with what vehicle/head unit, and/or charging cable, and even which USB port people are using. It's usually not an issue with the phone.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] SquireSCA:
My android auto issues were with both a 2016 Colorado Z71, as well as my new 2018 Silverado Z71... same exact issue.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] Airwolf79:
Interesting. When I first got my truck, I was having issues with AA using the USB port in the front. Switched to the port under the armrest and that solved my connection issues 90% of the time. You do have good taste in trucks though... And bikes! That new Silverado looks amazing! Is the 2018 the new body style?
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] JoRocker:
In ended up going to iPhone X.... My first iPhone. Hopefully it lives up to expectations, but I just can't deal with anymore issues. It seems no matter what Android device you get there's some kind of issue. I just want to be able to use my phone, and not have to worry about anything breaking. I was having problems where I would have a client in front of me and issues would arise and it was so embarrassing!!
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] SquireSCA:
Last year of the current body style. The 2019 looks amazing, especially the Trail Boss Edition. Current bike is a Momster 1200s and the wife rides the new Triumph Street Triple RS 765.

I haven’t tried different ports, but a reboot on the phone fixes it. Had no such issues with the OP5T.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] Airwolf79:
Yeah because iPhones never have issues... Said no one ever. Good luck though.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] LordLugard:
Nitpicking here, but what's the point of saying you haven't had an issue with xyz, except you then go on to list the issues with xyz..:rolleyes:
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] JoRocker:
Okay well tell me what "issues" it has, and I'll take this comment with more than just a reply of pure blind bias and arrogance.... Will I have random reboots, freezes, bluetooth disconnections, WiFi and Cellular issues?

No?

Okay move along.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] Airwolf79:
Touche. I guess I should have said I had very few issues except...

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Not really that biased toward Android actually. I have a Mac and I love it. Will never own another Windows computer. I'm just saying that switching to an iPhone will not solve all your problems. I can't tell you exactly what problems you will have, otherwise I would be a Bitcoin millionaire. This is Essential's first phone ever. I would never suggest someone to buy it who just expects it to work perfect out of the box. I knew full well what I was getting into when I bought mine. There are plenty of Android phones that work great out of the box. My top two Manufacturers would be OnePlus and any Motorola/Lenovo. Still not convinced? Ok, have a nice trip, see you next fall.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] JoRocker:
I had a Moto G5 Plus and a Moto X Pure before this... If you're recommending or comparing Moto to iPhone's stability, or rather even comparing to the actual most stable Android phones available, I'm sorry to say you don't know squat about Android...

Motorola (Lenovo) might be one of the worst purchases you can make now. They update their phones every 6 months, purely because they're more concerned about saturating the market with their phones, than actually quality control. If you were to say this 2 years ago you'd have a solid point. Now though, that's just hilarious.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] Airwolf79:
Ok buddy, you win. I don't know squat. No one's trying to convince you to hang around.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] HewettBR:
Exactly my thoughts. I've never had an iPhone and will never own one due to their overpriced hardware. My gf has had iPhones for her whole life. There are problem, especially when updates are pushed. Maybe not freezes but battery drain, charging issues and call clarity and signal issues (both on T-Mobile). I usually have data and useable signal and she won't. But if having a solid experience was the goal, and having 1200 bucks to drop on a phone,. The essential phone isn't the choice. A pixel, or note would have been the right choice. Don't know how he can hate on a phone that I literally paid 300 and some change for vs a phone that Costa over 1k. Sounds like a troll.
[Essential Phone Guides, News, & Discussion] mrsatan:
I had to leap in on this one because I have seen more phones than most people. First off just take a look at Apple throttling phones depending on the battery. That is problem number one. Number two, iPhones and Macs in general are not known for quality of wifi compatibility. A bunch of the iphones at my work just can't connect to the wifi there for some reason. I do IT in education and this has always been the case. The androids just have less wifi issues. They have had the same amount of problems with new updates as Android has had. I mean they had their exploding batteries too. Everything has problems, androids seem to have more problems because they have much more ability for customization. The iPhone is a walled garden that is more closely controlled. If you want the structure of an authoritarian regime get an iPhone. I always recommend iPhones to people who aren't tech savy or are computer illiterate. It's just that simple. They have their place in the world though and I really like mac minis. They are awesome.