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[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] GoodThings2Life:
It's nice to see Sprint being so concerned and cautious with their update. But then again, you work for Sprint, so shouldn't your statement be, "...we need it to run stable..." ?

Anyway, in the immortal words of Wayne, "Yeah... right... and monkeys might fly out my butt!"
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] defaultdotxbe:
i think DCDs 2.2.6 fixed the SD card issue, although my understanding it was only a problem if you used encryption (my SD card worked on all dcd roms)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] TrueArsenic:
"I'll believe that when my s*&t turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert!"

Honestly, we know how this will go.. you claim it'll have SprintTv, then when it doesn't come out with Sprint TV, then one of 2 things will happen...

1) You don't reply to questions directed toward you because you're full of bologna

2) You do reply, and give us some bologna about how Sprint decided to not include it for some oddball reason.

If Sprint TV really does get put on a ROM in the future, then i'll give you respect, but until it happens, you can't just come into a community spouting off fiction hoping that people will think you're cool.. Honestly. Like i said, if you are who you say you are, then you'll get respect when what you say happens!
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] shaun0207:
I thought the Touch didnt have the GPS antenna? Or is it just Wi-Fi?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] theFear13ss:
I can also confirm that I had no problems with DCD's ROM...

Back on topic, since all the good quotes have been taken, I'll believe this when I see it. I mean, it would be nice, but the day the OEM's give us a good ROM (that can't be made better by the likes of DCD, No2Chem, etc) is the day I stop using all devices and move to a cabin in the mountains without power...
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] pdaod:
The Touch may get updated first? I'm beginning to wonder if the next official Mogul update comes pre-installed in a Mogul 2.

First post here (from my Mogul) but long time lurker. Just running 2.17 but I'm tempted to install a dcd. My main concern is the radio stability as I like to stream alot of audio.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] lewdog50:
chubzilla, you had to know when you posted who you were, you would take alot of shots from people on this site. There are alot of angry people here that have been waiting for sprint and HTC to get off there butts and fix the problems with the mogul.

I guess what I would like to see is an official response from sprint about the status of the ROM Update other than "Additionally, HTC is currently developing a separate ROM update which enables the EV-DO Rev. A and GPS capabilities that are already built into the Mogul hardware. Sprint and HTC plan to make this software ROM available in early 1Q 2008."

Outdated information like this just inflames customers.

just my 2 pennies
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Cytranic:
HI guys, I'm an engineer in TF2. Someone is zappin my sentury.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] parrott84:
I don't understand why people go so crazy against others on forums. He very well could work for Sprint and have accurate info that changes. I work for Sprint too and the GM for my region in December said we would have ev-do in our area in 2 weeks. Latest he said end of the year. We still don't have it, so what happened? Did he lie to me? No, things change, decisions are reversed.

Also, regarding him not having gps on his phone, you guys remember/realize that non-official roms void your warranty right? If he works for Sprint I can understand him not wanting to use things that could cause issues. Especially if he is an engineer and is helping to work on the updates. Shoot, he may be required to use the updates they are testing and it may not be working right now. We don't know. I am just saying cut him some slack and maybe give him the benefit of the doubt or at least take what he says with a grain of salt. No Sprint employee anywhere gains anything by coming out and trying to give helpful info, every time they do they get ridiculed and place their job on the line.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Cutter:
Yeah youve kinda got a point... kinda. With the example with your bosss, and this guy... I'd say: dont say anything if your not for 100% sure about what your sayin. And I know we get upset without progress reports but hell just say everything is SNAFU and be honest. Guys like this get ripped on because in all honesty it really seems like he wants attention. If that is the case... get a dog and save your speculation.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] lewdog50:
People might go a little easier on sprint employee's posting if corporate would at least release status updates. I understand things change, I think we all do(at least I hope so). The point is since sprint refuses to update their customers, this is the only outlet we have. They need to stop treating status updates like corporate secrets.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Dc_striker:
i took my mogul to the sprint store casue i couldnt fix evdo not working and i was running leaked rom/ dcd 2.2.6

they really dont care

p.s they couldnt not fix it and i got new fone for free
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] pixelwix:
about roms voiding your warrenty thing thats only if you send your phone to htc.. if you take your phone in to a sprint store they could careless, as an example, last night i was board and i was looking at my phone it looked old so i decided to see if i could get sprint go give me a new one as a warrenty replacement. I flashed the old 2.17 rom on there, and flashed the new spl unlocker.. then i flashed just the radio on the there. the phone was stuck in on the htc screen... all it needed was a 3.x.x rom which i knew that, but i just left it like that and took it to the sprint store told them that i wouldnt boot. the tech looked at it, turned it off and on again, samething he pluged in the charger and let it sit for about five mins to see if would get anywhere nothing. he came back and told me he did a hardrest and it was still like that. told me the next step was to flash it with software update and i said go ahead, i just want my phone working (knowing dam well the update was going to fail). he came back and said it wouldnt update it just fails at 1%. (mind you when you boot up the phone it says the radio on there 3.x.x and when you flash it you need to go in to bootloader mode where it says opliros name in there too)so he just went to back grabbed a new 6800box activated it and handed me the box.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Dc_striker:
nice did they give u another cd card
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bavsav:
And, if Chubz is indeed an engineer for sprint, then I am quite sure he knew he was going to take some shots here...and fine, they - a multinational organization with resources the likes of which I could only have dirty dreams about and still probably not grasp the actual depth of their pockets - can't knockout what a couple of bright minds (big ups dcd and no2chem!) with what I assume has got to be a lesser amount of resources at their disposal have been able to almost do (mine runs great, no issues with sd and nearly as stable as the P.O.S. that the device came with) in such a short time...fine! I believe that, and can't hate on them just for that. Big lumox of a company slow to evolve...whatever.

But straight blocking MMS? Really??? That's just bad form, and they deserve some ghetto-style justice for that, at least IMHO.

So, Chubz...have something for me that may help me with some proper perspective on this and somehow makes that an OK business practice? :confused:
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Berserk87:
i lol'd :D
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] pixelwix:
yup i got the whole box, so everything that came in the box including the sd card. :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] eXplicit815:
I think I'm gonna try this in a couple months... LOL
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] codyppc:
you know this is why are insurance is going up as well as the original prices for the phone it self. i cant say i havn't done it. i just didn't adversise it. lol.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dwertz:
I personally think it is good that they are not releasing it. They know it has bugs. If they release it people would complain that Sprint puts out crappy updates. They made that mistake once and had to do a recall. Do you think they plan on doing that again. It makes them look bad to have to do a ROM recall. All I see is complaining toward Sprint.

I can see why a Sprint Engineer would not want to say anything. Nobody wants to hear the true. A guy just went on the site to give people an update that it will take some time to fix the problem and everyone bashes him. Do you think they are going to update us anymore? Highly doubtful.

BTW I am not with Sprint, I am with Alltel. Alltel doesn't even plan on doing GPS so feel lucky Sprint is. I have to go with a DCD Rom or NueChem Rom I am just happy to see this moving foward. I did not know my phone had GPS. :)

Sorry if I offend everyone but it seems like all I read is negativity.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Asphyx:
And customers who can't read a calendar and complain anyway about dates inflames us all...

In case anyone needs some help here...the 1st Quarter of 2008 won't end until the end of April!

It's only the rumor crews who have given us specific dates and your a fool for believing someone you don't know from a hole in your head posting authoritatively about a release date being set by a corporation.

If you got bad information from a poster don't blame them for you being dumb enough to believe them.

Stop Flaming as it is not going to get you bug free GPS capability any quicker!

If your so desperate then run the leaked Radio!

But stop complaining about a company doing what they SHOULD DO and not release a product until it works perfectly and has been tested thoroughly...

Cause if they tried to make you happy and released last friday you would all be complaining even more about how badly your phone operated because it wasn't finished yet!

They can't win here...

Just let them do what needs to be done and stop buying into the hype of "any minute now!"

IT will happen when it happens!

And they have until the end of April before the statement on the HTC site is out of date!
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] eXplicit815:
I'm no "MATH WHIZ" but, the first quarter is the end of March, not April. The end of April is the first 1/3.......... Or something like that.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] scott500:
hmmm

Yea...12 divided by 4 is 3 (Jan..Feb..Mar)

Course, I went to public school so my gozinto's might be a little off. :rolleyes:

Then of course, there is that pesky line "early 1st quarter 2008", I guess they probably shouldn't have said that.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] eXplicit815:
It's already past the "Early" part... I know all about software releases, and how they're held back because of specific problems. But if there's a problem, and you have a deadline to meet, you better be working some overtime. You never, ever put an estimated time on something unless you're absolutely sure of it! You will be ripped apart, chewed on, and spit out alive!
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] asquad:
I guess I am a little different than most here. I have the no2chem rom and absolutely love it. Honestly, I am so happy with it I dont mind if the official rom never comes. I saw some friends this weekend with the same phone and showed them sprint navigation and they were so jealous. Of course they ask... How do I get that on my phone? Sorry you can't yet, it's just a test release, it's not available to the public yet. Lol.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] lewdog50:
Asphyx, My whole

point

was that we are past the "Early" part of the 1st quarter 2008. Their words, not mine.

If they are having problems with developing the ROM update fine, I am glad they are taking the time to make the necessary revisions to make it right. But, an official update would be nice and make people "feel better".

And which update from sprint has ever run "perfectly"
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] electric contractor:
I had called HTC to see if they could at least get update website on ROM, only getting recording so left message.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Tregrad:
this is hillarious....he says we cant read a calendar.....hahaha April, end of first Q?.....maybe hes an engineer at sprint as well.

Dude maybe you missed the little pesky line about EARLY first Q btw wich ends at the end of MARCH!!!

this is getting comical, first we have some dip wad telling us hes an engineer who dosent even know about the gps in the mogul (got a winner there sprint) I think he deserves a raise and a new cubicle maybe close enough to the window so he can hear the birds crap on the window sill like he is doing in here LOLOL

anyway I wouldnt even put a sprint rom in my phone, im waiting for the REAL brains to put one together for us DCD No2 etc.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mike18:
In my business if I tell a customer when a product is coming out and I dont deliver I"ll lose the customer or get fired. But these guys from HTC(and Sprint) put up statements that affect hundreds of thousands and there is no responsibility. You tell us early 1st quarter, than you dont deliver. Atleast update us on the situation, don't leave the same incorrect info on your website like you dont have to answer to us. We bought the product! And last time I checked there are many different companies making similar phones.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mike18:
off the topic sorry, but is this the same cody who put out the threaded Sms app??
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] lewdog50:
working for sprint is like being a weatherman: wrong 80% of the time and still gets a paycheck:)

And I also don't really care about the updated sprint Rom, just what the "real" engineers here and on ppcgeeks can do with it after the fact:)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] jerason:
Office Mobile 6.1 cab
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] defaultdotxbe:
have there been any official statements? pretty much everything ive seen is someone saying some rep told them this or that, if i were the rep id just tell you anything to shut you the hell up so i can deal with customers who have real problems

reminds me of when halo 2 was coming out, stores would give a release date so they could start selling preorders, the date would come and go and people on forums would complain about how bungie keeps pushing the date back, when bungie never even gave the date in the first place
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] codyppc:
yea yea, that didn't fry any phones though. i didn't wirte it i just cabed it up. lol.

i just had a conversition with retentions. different issue. she said that is was suppose to be out anyday now. she knows because here son has one and she has been keeping her ears open for him. she did say dont hold here to it. even though it is not here department i find that within 5 minutes of talking with a rep you can tell if they know anything or not. this lady sure knew her part with retentions.

we can only hope.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nosmohtac:
Hello?

This is directly from HTC's Mogul support web site-

Additionally, HTC is currently developing a separate ROM update which enables the EV-DO Rev. A and GPS capabilities that are already built into the Mogul hardware. Sprint and HTC plan to make this software ROM available in early 1Q 2008. Please bookmark this page for easy reference.

Posted November 29, 2007

http://www.america.htc.com/support/mogul/software-downloads.html

I don't know about you, but that seems like an official statement to me:rolleyes:
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] chubzilla:
i understand the cynisism. I'd be pretty pissed too. The fact of the matter is that it's not just sprints issue. It's more so HTC's issue. The reason why i dont use custom ROMS......id rather use something that wont void my warranty on the phone. I paid for this phone, i didnt get it for free.

Before you guys discredit me, just sit back and wait to see. I can tell you a reason why there will be sprint tv enabled in the update.....Sprint has been getting returns on the Mogul for the Touch.....True Story.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] momof4rugratz:
I was using ppcgeeksprintmms but not working now. so anyone know of something new to send pics with. I love my phone a lot just frustrated for 8 moths I could send pics now I can't. my mom wants more baby pictures. total frustration. help anyone....
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nosmohtac:
Chubzilla,

I have no reason to disbelieve your statements. I appreciate the info you bring to us and understand that even if it doesn't prove 100% accurate that things change and it may have been true to the best of your knowledge at the time it was given.

I also understand that many have returned the Mogul for the Touch, but they are two quite different devices. Would you have any insight into the possibility of a newer Mogul with more RAM?

To me, this is the Mogul's largest downfall, given WM's horrible memory management.

Again, thanks for the info. I only wish there were more "official" statements from Sprint and HTC to keep us a little more informed about the progress.

I'm still having a hard time believing that Sprint/HTC won't rely on this community to help beta test the ROMs. After the 2.16 ROM debacle, it's quite apparent that there is a serious flaw in the internal testing procedure.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mike18:
a little of the topic, but if your mother has a sprint phone just sent the pictures through email to her 10 digit phone number @messaging.sprintpcs.com and the pictures should go to her exactly like before.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mike18:
I just never thanked you, I know you didn't write it but thanks for the cab,I been using it for months
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Dc_striker:
wtf u got a new box i only got a new sd card
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] momof4rugratz:
she has verizon :(

where can I get cab now that ppcgeeks is down
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Asphyx:
Yes I made a mistake I meant March not April...

And no I didn't miss anyone's point but my point was obviously missed by many here...

IF THEY HAD made a release in the EARLY 1Q and to keep that date used the buggy 3.27 radio rom as the OFFICIAL RELEASE just to keep a few "I must have something by this date or I will die crowd" happy...

What would you all be flaming about right now?

Here are some excerpts...

"Damn Sprint they are all idiots, releasing a ROM that cuts off internet access and takes 30 minutes for the GPS to find satellites!"

or

"These Guys can't do anything right! Why did they release a product that doesn't work?"

I'm not an engineer for Sprint but I am an engineer and I can tell you innovation, invention and stability don't work by appointment!

It's these same folks who ***** because DCD didn't make a release on the 7th day of the week after making one release each of the first 6 days...

I suggest if you think it is easy to fix these things on schedule then stand the post and fix it for everyone instead of complaining that no one else fixed it for you in a time frame you like!

Stop all the complaining already...sure Sprint delayed the release...

Do you really think they did that just to piss you off or to ruin your day?

Or did they delay because there are issues that need to be fixed and didn't want to have you beta test a buggy ROM and lose services just to keep your calendar correct?

If you look you will notice that the ones complaining the most are the ones who have never once had to release something here!

It's easy to say make my device do this by Tuesday!

Takes no effort!

But actually making it do that and do it well takes time...

If you really need GPS that badly then you should have bought a phone that already had it!

So stop being three year old flamers and just let the guys smart enough to fix it take the time it needs to be done right.

It's more important to have a GOOD release than it is to release on some specific date!

Truth is you don't REALLY need this if you did you would have bought a phone that had it from the get go...

You just want to be COOL and show your friends how cool your phone is...

Well some of us are more concerned with good product as opposed to how cool our phone makes us look and by what time it makes us look that way!
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Cutter:
Its not about "I must have this or Ill die" come on. Its about Producers and consumers. If a company says their product offers a certain feature, theyre using that as a selling point, which in turn determines the price of the product. It makes no difference if you ever use it. As a consumer we want to know it works. My car has airbags but I never use em. And say they didnt work before buying the car? It would be unacceptable for them to say "we'll fix it monday" monday rolls around and not only does it not get fixed they dont even let you know when it will get fixed. wtf. As I stated before, for situations like this just say "We dont know when it will be fixed sorry for the trouble and take it off the product features list.

A a consumer I dont want to feel like I got duped... You can understand that.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] eXplicit815:
Agreed! They dropped the Mogul's price in the last couple months down significantly because no one was getting what they were promised from the phone. I can almost guarantee that when the official update is released, the price of the phone will be raised at least $50 more, just because they actually have the features it was promised to have in the first place. I work in software myself. I troubleshoot an online music subscription service. I know what it takes to properly release an update. I know when it's the right time, and the wrong time. Right now is obviously the wrong time, BUT! Why not tell us. Why not keep up posted. Even BuzzAboutWireless.com has Sprint employees coming in and saying, "Oh, it'll be out when it's out." Nevermind that! If they new it was going to be such a big problem to release it, if they new how much it was going to take to get it out there, why would you give an estimate in the range of a month and a half? The point we're getting across is, if something is promised from a company, and it's not delivered on time, then the problem lies with the company and they should at least make some sort of statement to follow-up with it.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mike18:
Agreed, not saying anything is no way to treat your customers. Does sprint have PR staff???
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Tregrad:
BLA BLA FRAKIN BLA thats mighty noble of you.

If I tell someone im going to be at their house to tile their shower on thursday and dont show up for a week after....do you think I would retain their business?? dont you think it would be a good idea first to CALL ! ! ! and reschedule. Any moron knows that you will loose business if you dont. Sprint on the other hand dosent give a flip about anyone and could care less about customer service.

This isnt about how difficult the project is because we all know that this stuff aint easy ITS ABOUT CUSTOMER SERVICE.........LET US KNOW YOU GOT IN OVER YOUR HEADS AND IT WILL BE UNTILL FURTHER NOTICE ! !

dont say something and then just let it go (talk about over promising and under delivering) Its called "common decency" of which Sprint has NONE.

So, its probably best to let this one "lie" because your just going to get ripped up one side and down the other if you try to defend Sprint, they NEVER do what they say they will and when they dont, they dont even try to explain why or let us know one way or the other.

remember, this aint about quality we all want quality ITS ABOUT CUSTOMER SERVICE ! ! ! !

ok now I have customers to call and let them know why im not there LOL
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] lewdog50:
Asphyx,

you must work for sprint to be fightin this hard.

All we want is for Sprint or HTC to give us a status update, but alas I guess that is just too much to ask for this day in age