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[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] whyme45125:
looks what? between the two.

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congrats as of today they're done rmaing for blue anything, whether floor supervisor on the phone or in chat. Good timing and grats you got a replacement coming.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] abogrhen:
:p:p i was not very clear

compared to the picture

mine don't look as bad as the bad blue shift unite

and don't look as good as the very minimal blue shift unite

i would say it is in the medial
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] draiken78:
I only convinced them because I went out of my way to a Verizon store near me which had a normal display and took pictures of my phone side by side with it showing the clear difference. They were left with no choice but to determine something was wrong with my device.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] benhaube1:
Mine definitely has a blue shift, but it doesn't bother me enough to do an RMA. I'll just keep using it. If I get any burn in then I will RMA. I really love this phone. I'm happy I upgraded from my Pixel. The bigger screen is great. Much easier to type.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jcable2:
The shift is bad on mine. Google is replacing it but not from the blue. Said even these pictures is normal.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] outbackpaul:
Because you lose the home mini.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] bfederspill:
Mine is just very slightly blue tinted when I see it at an angle other than that it's working beautifully. I'm keeping mine. I'm afraid if I turn it in for a replacement the new one will be worse or something else wrong with it. So far I'm happy. I just don't know if the new 2 year warranty has anything to do with us people who did not buy the extra warranty at all.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] js042507:
Do we know this for certain? Was the Google home mini promotion only during pre-orders?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jedil1c1ous:
Nearly positive it was only for pre-orders, so returning and re-ordering will likely cause you to lose the free mini.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] TheDonXR:
I posted this on another thread but here's the blue shift comparison I made https://youtu.be/W9n_wRukIEU
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Voicebox:
The mini promotion was for orders through the 19th. Not sure if it was including 19th. And they send the redemption code a month or so after receipt of the phone so that people can't order and return just to get a free mini.

Oh, here, I saved the offer terms since I don't trust Google.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] beezar:
Just go by the home mini on Black Friday... heard it's going for like $30 that day
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jedil1c1ous:
Further proof that this issue is WAY overblown... I have an iPhone X and the blue shift is nearly identical to the Pixel 2 XL floor models I've tested at Verizon stores. Google got slammed for this, yet there's minimal media attention on this for the iPhone X???

Once I receive my Panda 2 XL tomorrow, I will try to post some comparison screen shots next to the X.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] raidflex:
Of course because everyone loves Apple, they rarely get bad press. Most media now is all ratings too, not actual reporting like it used to be. So what you see is all these different reviews that just repeat each other.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] draiken78:
The problem isn't the blue shift itself, the problem is the poor quality control that resulted in some devices having an obscene blue shift problem while others look fine. Why would Verizon display the bad ones when they are trying to sell the phone?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jedil1c1ous:
That's fine. I'm saying my iPhone X has the same "severe" blue shift when viewing barely off axis. I would say maybe at the 10% mark the blue is very apparent.

I do agree though that the problem is QC related because the severity of the issue for the 2 XL panels is not consistent from one to the next.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Krusej23:
Had my phone RMAed because of a flashing screen. Here is the comparison of the new and old. Old phone on the left, new RMA replacement phone on the right. Screens at full brightness and on the same white image I found on Google. Looks like the blue tint is worse on my new phone. Manufactured date of Oct. 25th on the new one. Both are still on the Sept security patch since I haven't received the Nov patch yet on either. Going to see if Google will replace this new one now because the blue is more noticeable on this new one.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dinkoh:
I disagree. My Pixel 2 XL was significantly worse than the iPhone X. I had to return it. I got my Pixel 2 XL pretty early, so maybe you got either a "good" one or later one. Whatever it is, I wouldn't discount blue shift problem was/is real bad.

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Damn, I was hoping the QC got better with the newer delivered phones. I was hoping to re-buy one, but may have to hold-off.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Krusej23:
I'm waiting to hear back from Google Support on another possible RMA.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] _Gir_:
Question: Does the new saturation option from the most recent update help with hiding/minimizing the blue shift?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Krusej23:
I can't tell yet because for some reason, I haven't received the November update yet. I have heard from others that if you switch to the "saturated" mode, it helps with the blue tint.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] outbackpaul:
I keep debating over what to do with mine. I've got a light blue tint starting at just a slight angle. I actually look at my phone from that angle while I'm at work. I've got a couple more days to decide. Any thoughts?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] shanedroid:
Rmaing mine the blue tint gives me a headache. Wondering if the new color option they are putting out will make a difference?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] giants8058:
Yes I can confirm it definitely does improve the blue shift on angles and even when looking straight at the phone. Toggling back and forth between saturated and natural/boosted at normal viewing angles, the whites go from a cool white to a more pure white, and at angles the phone needs to be almost completely flat to start seeing the blue shift and it's not nearly as much as before. This is typical of OLED panels to a certain extent though. But all of a sudden now that Apple issued a statement about this along with burn-in, it must be normal right: https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/03/iphone-x-oled-burn-in-color-shifting/. Pixel 2 XL=defective displays with class action lawsuit .. iPhone X=perfectly normal and to be expected.

I was saying a couple weeks ago during all the hysteria that most likely a software update will be able to address the blue shift after messing around with the color settings on a SGS8+. It did the exact same thing and as a result I was going to keep it since it is the best phone I have ever used hands down. Now this just reinforces my decision.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] cescman:
I agree the new saturated color option helps a lot regarding the blue tint. Previously a white screen becomes slightly blue at 10 degrees and noticeably blue at 20 degrees. Now in saturated mode a white screen becomes a warm white when looked straight on, and becomes noticeably blue at more than 40 degrees. This is comparable to other devices I have used before (mostly nexus)
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] JeffBea:
I RMA'd my phone for rattling speaker a few days ago and the replacement device they send me was built before the one I RMA'd, but left the factory a week or so later than my original device. I did have fairly bad blue shift on my original device and the replacement device is slightly better. Guess what I'm trying to say at this point it a real crap shoot and in my case I got a older phone than my original.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] :
My 1st 2XL was like yours too and irritated my eyes in lower light. My replacement is much better and the new color profiles help even further with the blue shift.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] shanedroid:
Thanks for the intel - working on the RMA and they are asking for a bug report.... dumb it's not SW its HW.... will update everyone. If the saturated colors doesn't make this bareable I'm going to return outright and get a Note8
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Linwood.Ferguson:
I thought I could put up with it, but I think mine needs to go back. I'm still in the 15 day period, so I assume I have no battle with them, although I see that the 64g version (black) is not available, so I might get the 128g just to not have to wait.

Here's my question: for those who have been following this more closely (and I am not one), are the odds good or bad of getting one better? And any sign that 64g vs 128g makes any difference in odds?

Here's an example from mine. This is a closeup from about my reading distance showing Kindle with its tan reading screen, which I like and use a lot. I really do not care if it is blue if I hold the phone at an angle, but this is blue at top and bottom just from the natural viewing angle looking dead straight on (this was taking with a camera carefully centered directly above the phone). It's not even all that tan directly in the center, but it is clearly more and more blue as you get slight increase in angle to the edges.

From what people who have see a lot of these think: Is this on the bad end of the spectrum, or normal, or good? I.e. are my chances good a new phone will be better?

[IMG="Example dead-one"]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cSNrJLg/1/1e13b899/X2/i-cSNrJLg-X2.jpg[/IMG]

I'm also wondering if a return + purchase (with same sim) will affect my in-progress T-Mobile rebate. I do expect to stay with T-Mobile, but would hate the exchange and new IMEI to affect it in some way.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Az Biker:
The new color profile is something baked into the replacement devices to fix previous issues?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] SquireSCA:
I picked up a new iPad Pro 12.9 the other day, beautiful retina display... and when you look at it from an angle, instead of blue it gets a yellowish tint...

I really do think that in 90% of the "instances", this is just being blown way out of proportion...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] :
Nope it's in the new update under display options but it dose help some.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] okgnew:
I got Pixel 2 XL with extreme blue shift in US - it was unbearable, so I returned it.

I'm wondering if I should continue this gambling and order a new one...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] shanedroid:
Agree with the pervious comment mine is blue at the Top and bottom even if I'm looking square on. Unacceptable
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] SquireSCA:
Just go get an iPhone or a Galaxy 8...

Seriously, if this is such a wide spread problem, PICK A DIFFERENT PHONE.

Sitting here whinging about it, returning phones and hoping that replacements are better, while still having to worry about burn in... Is this worth it?

It's a thousand dollar phone. If it doesn't work right and one that does work right seems to be the exception, why would you still be considering giving them your money?

Hoping to get lucky and maybe phone #3 or #4 will do the trick?

Cut your losses and move on, guys...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dinkoh:
When did you buy/get your pixel 2xl?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] shanedroid:
Not here to argue with you. Yes moving to another phone is an option many of us are considering. If you read the thread though you will learn that there are working devices and there are also non-working devices. The phone outside of the blue shift is incredible, which is why people want this phone, but want it without the blue tint. If you don't have anything to say to help that or share your experience with the phone please move along..
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] whyme45125:
Seriously if all this Blue shift/tint issue is such a problem for you, PICK A DIFFERENT THREAD.

Sitting here whining about it, returning to whine some more and hoping your same statements will get you anywhere with people who have issues with their device, why would you still be considering coming back in here to give the same statements over and over?

It's a thousand dollar phone it shouldn't be coming out of the factory after passing QC with varying screens 50 shades of blue, more so than other phones to date.

Hoping to get lucky and the same statement the 3rd or 4th time will do the trick?

Cut your losses and help us all by clicking that unsubscribe button and MOVE ON GUY...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] SquireSCA:
Then if you have to have this phone, just wait a few months until they fix it, if they even do.

But knowing that this is an "issue" and ordering it anyway, and then being upset that the phone that you knew had an issue, has an issue... Just doesn't seem to make sense.

If the phone is a lemon, either get a Samsung or get the Pixel 2.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] okgnew:
From Google directly.

So the return process was very easy - just few clicks and they sent a prepaid USPS return label.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] oneandroidnut:
doesnt look bad to me. i would have kept if mine looked like that!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Krusej23:
Are you talking about the old one? The old one was sent in because my screen would flash a bright white any time my phone locked. And I noticed a frozen green pixel after they accepted the RMA.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Lawlrus:
Nope, because of people doing this, others are having a very hard time of getting the device.

If you're that picky about the display, end up rmaing it or like some people have four times. Just get a different device.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] EeZeEpEe:
Yet you don't show a pic of it head on. [emoji848]
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] shanedroid:
Use your imagination
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] EeZeEpEe:
Why post pics of the blue shift at an angle that definitely shows it with everyone's phone, say it's blue even when viewed straight, then expect people to use their imagination? How about being a little more helpful?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] shadowcore:
And this is the QC people get for a grand? Lol

Even a condom factory has more QC than this.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] hakaida:
I RMA'd my first phone or at least I think I did. Google CS put another phone on my 0% credit line with whatever preapproved bank I signed up with a year ago and is shipping a new phone to me and will credit me after I send them back this phone. Now that I typed it out, it sounds like a regular return to me. In any case, I hope the second phone is much better. I'll return 1 or 2 more times if I must. I really want to keep this phone. But if I can't win the screen lottery like my friends have, then I will consider all options. Even that evil fruit company. Google pooped the bed by going with LG. Didn't they learn the first time? My nexus 6 had bootloop issues and got 4 replacements as each died within months of receiving each one. My LG v10 also had the same problem. And LG was never known for making good screens. They should have stuck with htc for the 2 xl. Next year they should get it right. But I hope they have dual cameras so that zoom pics will be much better. I'm not going to complain about the lack of headphone jack since it seems like thats where most companies are headed, but I do want good zoom pics.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Linwood.Ferguson:
This is about viewing straight on. I really don't care what the phone looks like at 45 degrees, at least not much.

So I bought a new 128g (64 was out of stock), and it arrived this morning, and I am really confused.

I did a lot of photographs very carefully to compare the old and new, to take my subjective opinion out of it. So here's the first problem. The colors do not stay constant. Consider this composite image of the old phone and the old phone again taken about 10 minutes later.

[IMG="Old vs Old"]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KXj7cSW/0/aa59a593/L/i-KXj7cSW-L.jpg[/IMG]

Again, that's the OLD PHONE TWICE, taken a few minutes apart in the same application.

These were taken with a copy stand (i.e. very stationary camera) with a good DSLR (Nikon D5), shot in raw, dim room (no room light effect), and fixed white balance color temperature (5500 in this case). The phone had adaptive brightness turned off, and the brightness setting was not changed. The shutter was really slow 1/20th or so for the first shots, went down to 1/15th for the final comparison below, so LED flicker should not be involved. Screen brightness was at 50% and vivid off in the comparisons.

Why are they such different colors? I did a few more images and most did not quite have this variation, but it seems to change over time. Maybe with how long the display has been on.

The new phone? It was most constant, but seemed a bit bluer when I first got it than later. I say "seemed" because while I have photos, I was still getting it updated and matching exactly, so some shots were with 'vivid' color, and some on 8.0 instead of 8.1 (not sure 8.1 makes any difference, I did not see any, but I brought it up to 8.1 to compare in the final image below).

What concerns me about this is the inconsistency. This was some awfully well controlled shots, and I just do not understand why the same phone varies so much shot to shot.

But... the below is more or less representative of the average. It looks like I may have a slightly better image than the old. The color is still not very good at a slight angle, but straight on it's not bad.

[IMG="New Old Comparison"]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-FRLN8pj/0/1f41ba38/O/i-FRLN8pj.jpg[/IMG]

Now I just hope it doesn't change over time to get worse.

But seriously, my question above about "why are they different" is sincere -- can you think of any setting or variable I may not be controlling? Or do phones really vary that much?

I hasten to add that the above variation, occurring over 5-10 minutes, is probably not noticeable to the human eye, since you cannot really see a before and after. But I wonder if such variations are responsible for some of the inconsistency people are seeing.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Budwise:
So I RMA'd my phone not for the screen but for the speaker rattling and buzzing when using speakerphone or even just with the notification bong sounds. I figured all of them would be about the same as far as screen quality but I was wrong. Not only does my new phone not have a buzzing speaker but the screen is MUCH improved. There is a color shift but it's more what you'd expect from OLED, not so blue but just a darkening slightly instead of blueing. Needless to say, VERY happy!

As you can see in the photo, even at a light angle the blue starts to really show on the old phone on the left. On the phone on the right it's not blueing at all, just darkening a little bit. This is taken with a Professional level camera in RAW so colors are going to be as true as you can get.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Redrockzz:
Tbh in this picture the left one looks just white and the right one looks more like red or orange in my eyes ..
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] EeZeEpEe:
I have a question to your question. Is it possible that other phones have this variability? Maybe it's not anything new.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Linwood.Ferguson:
I have no idea. In the past there wasn't such issues that I ever looked closely. But I do wonder if this type of screen has more variation than normal and that's why we see so many side by side comparisons with very different colors. Maybe if you come back tomorrow the same comparison looks different still.

Not good, regardless.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] EeZeEpEe:
But as you said, it's probably not even noticeable to the human eye. Why does it even matter then?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Linwood.Ferguson:
"Matter" is a vague word. :)

I'm wondering if it, rather than purely actual device to device variation, is a contributing factor to all these photos comparing two devices being so different.

At some level none of this matters except to each individual whether to keep the phone or return it. But it's interesting to dig into.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] funcrusher:
[MENTION=5820772]hakaida[/MENTION] Your Nexus 6 was made by Motorola.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Pappy35:
I had trouble shipping with the first one I ordered and ended up cancelling it and ordering a 128Gb that shipped that night. With all the bad press I really wanted to get my hands on one to test, which I did and I found it acceptable. As I really didn't need 128Gb of storage I ended up buying a 64Gb version. When it arrived I laid them next to each other and had the exact same impression.

The 128 compared to the 64 had more bluing. The 64 is basically perfect with bluing that is the same or better than the iPhone X or N8 (like it or not they the standard that everyone has to meet these days).

The build dates were 10-14 and 10-28 respectively and the 128 is on it's way back. I just did a straight return, not an exchange or warrantee claim as I just didn't want to deal with the hassle of trying to talk them into it as some on here have reported.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] outbackpaul:
I got my RMA approved yesterday. It took about an hour on the phone, most of that was getting the latest updates on my phone because that was going to fixt it according to the support person. The updates didn't change mine at all.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] iofractal:
Thanks for contacting Google Support Team.

This email is in reference to chat conversation which we had yesterday.

I would like to inform you that the Pixel 2 XL was designed to take advantage of multiple facets of the innovative new POLED technology, including QHD+ resolution with 538 pixels per inch as well as a wide color gamut.

The slight blue tint is inherent in the display hardware and only visible when you hold the screen at a angle.

If you're not satisfied with the display of your device, you can go ahead and contact the Best Buy. Please be rest assured, as you're our valuable customer and they are our premium partner, they will explore the best possible outcome for you.

If you need further assistance with your device or any other Google product, please visit our help center.

Thanks!

Cognac B

The Google Support Team

They then sent me a 10 dollar google play gift code for my troubles....
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] beezar:
Mark me down as another one who replaced his phone and got a better display with significantly less blue tinting on the new one. Yes, it's still there, but only if I really look for it, and it doesn't bother me like the first phone.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Bazcraig:
I just got my RMA back and the replacement has identical levels of blue shift. Is this really just going to be a lottery of constant returns until we get a decent screen?
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