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[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] defaultdotxbe:
heh, well the 3.16 rom was made available in early q1 08, maybe that was their plan all along :P

but honestly, it just says they plan to, and if sprint is anything like the company i work for, if everything goes as planned you pull the release anyway because you know you missed some major error

after 2.16 can you blame them for being cautious?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nosmohtac:
I agree. It's HTC's website that claims the ROM update that will enable GPS & REV A will be released in early Q1 2008. Sprint was passing on info to it's customers based on this claim.

To me, this is the whole point. The leaked 3.16 ROM is assumably the one that they're working so hard to get right before releasing, and has so many issues that they haven't been able to get it right in over 5 months (first it was going to be 4th quarter of '07, then early 1st quarter of '08).

I don't think a single person here thinks that the task at hand is something they could figure out overnight or even in a few days, but HTC put out the claim and no one is stepping forward and saying "OK we're still working hard on this and we know we haven't hit our expected release date, but now we're hoping for a release by the end of March".

Heck, even if HTC was just holding out so they could release this with something additional (like WM6.1) that would make it easier for them than releasing another ROM 2 months down the road, that would be understandable. But come on, feed us a little info on why you haven't hit the target date.

As someone stated earlier how long do you think a carpenter would stay in business if he told someone he'd be there to finish their project by the middle of next week, ran into snags on another project that was taking longer and never called or returned calls from the person waiting for their work to be done. Word of mouth would get around and people would avoid that contractor.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] JKingDev:
chubz, can you comment on why Sprint feels that mogul users dont need mms?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] hbenz2008:
Hell with it, this is too entertaining to pass on and I will be brief . First, let me start by the engineer dude. You are just a punk , an engineer will have more specifics and inside info and most importantely some ethics unless you really work for Sprint...lol. How come you say in your own words "you probably won't see an update officialy released until maybe the end of march.." why dont you include your self too and say "WE" since you claim that you are a mogul owner?

Secondely, Sprint isn't perfect by any means and we are all here supporting them, I my self been with them for 5 years and they came through regardless of all outages,billing errors,snafus... A freaking statement on the web at least is the right thing to do. It took Sprint 5 days to get the internet back up yesterday for lots of us, and not a single word from management.

Third and last, GO PHUK YOUR SELF, give me a company with fast internet,decent prices,phones,sces and definitely good people and I will sprint the phuk away from Sprint,:D
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] l33tlinuxh4x0r:
They did say 08 not 2008 it could mean 3008 or even 4008 knowing how long it takes them for a ROM update to be released.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dalvarez7:
I too work for Sprint and have to say...looking at it from a company stand point, the mogul is consider a business class phone. True it's a very powerful phone, and sadly half the "business" people that buy them don't have a clue of it's potential. So Sprint may not be in a real big hurry to get all the features working. For the average person, most everything works okay. I belive Sprint has bigger things on it's radar, like WiMax and IDEN network. Don't get me wrong, it wouldn't be right for Sprint to just forget the mogul and its owners. They have taken a long time on getting a good ROM out but it will happen. I think they are trying to get it right this time. I know we can't wait to get things working and really make the phone scream, I'm right with ya. But I can't dog on Sprint. For all we know it could be HTC holding things up. Just my two cents. :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] myenhdl:
Ha!!! Laugh at that!!!
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Asphyx:
Advertising said RevA capable and never mentioned the GPS once...

Point is that statement was true, it is RevA capable just not reliably capable and if you were smart enough could make it RevA capable just as much as HTC could!

They said they would show up by the end of March...it's still February isn't it?

No I'm just tired of reading Geeks with no life whatsoever complain that an engineer isn't doing something fast enough, doing something that the complainer isn't even trying to do themselves. If you really think it is all that easy do it yourself!

And I'm not just ranting here to protect Sprint...This same childish attitude goes on even when it is DCD making a release who promised you nothing and got paid twice nothing....

It wasn't more than a week ago that DCD was making a release and upgrade per day and then he took one day off and the same type folks were complaining "Hey you promised an update tonite" Thats the Blah Blah Blah around here...

It's not your god given right to get updates when you want unless your making the updates yourself...

You will get them when they are done...

To me that is the only legitimate ***** to make right now...

I don't want them to release a buggy ROM just to make a calendar correct I would rather they say "Hey we hit a snag and need more time to make it stable" (something they have already done for the first missed deadline).

If they would come out and say well we hit some new snags I might not like the further delay but I could understand it.

Truth is it is HTC that is the ones at fault here....They are the developers and the ones who set the date everyone is complaining about. So while everyone here seems so willing to believe a "Sprint Engineer" thats like asking a Verizon Engineer what Sprint is planning to do...

Sprint isn't making this update...HTC is...

And if anyone has a legitimate ***** it should be why did HTC release a product that wasn't finished yet?

I know everyone looks for any excuse to make the carriers out to be the Evil Empires but the truth is the phone manufacturers are way more at fault for this than the carriers are. Verizon was practically bullied into releasing this phone on their system! So if you have a problem then i suggest you don't buy HTC phones anymore!

But stop all the whining about a feature you knew it didn't have out of the box and lived without till now just because your crapping in your pants in anticipation of some date you read on a website!

Be thankfull they are even working on an upgrade at all because in the past that was unheard of! How many times in the past have we seen a promise of a feature upgrade that never happened?

If you got fooled again the problem isn't them not keeping their promises the problem is you didn't learn your lesson from the last time they did that to you!

Fool me once shame on you...fool me twice shame on me!

Why don't we just stop crying like little babies and wait for them to do a good job and then save the *****ing for when they don't?

I would rather wait 4 months for a product that works than get a buggy product right away!
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nosmohtac:
Asphyx,

I couldn't agree with you more!!!

The only exception I would take is that HTC's site still says that the update should be available early 1Q '08. It is now past the middle of February, which puts us in the latter half of 1Q '08. I understand the use of the word "should" and I understand that it's a word that is commonly used in development.

My only gripe is the lack of info from HTC. I will gladly wait patiently for a bug free (or as close as HTC can get to bug free), update. But I can completely understand the frustration about lack of info on the status of an update.

Even if I went in to my local Sprint store and the guy behind the counter told me the update would be out this Friday, I wouldn't hold him to it when it didn't arrive. He isn't the guy working on it, Sprint isn't the one building it, and HTC may have given Sprint bad information to buy them some more time.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable in my expectations. I'm not one to jump down a guys throat for posting what he heard from another source, or whining because someone like DCD is taking a much deserved break from ROM Tweaking, and now I have to find something to do, other than reloading all my apps every day. (look at how everyone treated Kmartburrito when he posted about the leaked ROM without delivering proof).
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dr-gonzo:
So I guess you could agree just a little more. :D

j/k

Gonz
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nosmohtac:
LOL.

I knew someone would point that out>:D

I added the paragraph with the exception after I went back and read Asphyx's post again. I was going to change the "couldn't agree with you more", comment but thought that it still stood with one exception.

But, you are correct I could agree just a little more.;)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bakntyme:
Somehow, many of you seem to have read this as "Sprint and HTC PROMISE that this software ROM will be posted by", followed by whatever exact date you calculate to be the end of "early 1Q 2008". This is nothing at all like a repair contractor telling you "I will be there next Thursday", which someone here has compared it to. In that case, you are given a date certain with a short time frame and can be expected to rely on the date.

HTC posted, at the end of November, that they expected that the ROM update would be available in about 2 to 2 1/2 months. If it takes 3 months, it does not mean that they lied when they said it; it just means that it is taking longer than they expected it would at the time they made the statement. How many of you would be happy if your spouse took this kind of an estimate as a promise by you on a home improvement project? "Yeah, honey, I think it will take about two, maybe two and a half, weeks to remodel the bathroom" turns into your spouse and relatives all standing there with a stopwatch on the date and hour they calculate as 2.5 weeks from when you said it...click..."Your time is up! Why haven't you finished? You never do anything right! You always lie to me! YOU PROMISED!"

Keeping you informed of all of the details of what caused their original projection to be "wrong" and of the current status of the update would take manpower away from actually preparing the update. And HTC probably believes, reasonably so, that the delay from the original projection does not warrant an additional communication, as they are still within an acceptable margin of error.

Also, flaming the company because the release date did not meet their original plans, or your interpretation of "early 1Q 2008", will not encourage them to communicate more in the future. HTC may decide that the experiment of posting a notice that they were working on an update was a dismal failure, because the customers insisted on interpreting the estimated time frame as a promise by a date certain and became more outraged when their calculations of the date were not met.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] eXplicit815:
Bro, seriously. If you're tired of reading the stuff we like to talk about, why do you even bother logging on, and then pushing us to talk about it more. You're the loser to come in here and keep it going. We are talking about the fact that they aren't delivering. DCD is completely different than Sprint. Sprint is a multi-billion dollar company, and has a HUGE reputation to look out for. Everyday that goes by, and they don't deliver what they say they were going to deliver, they are losing money. Seriously, at this point, it'd be very stupid of you to post in here again after saying you're tired of reading what us "GEEKS" are writing about.

For the record, don't call names. You judge us because we're into the newest technology, doesn't necessarily make us "Geeks." I myself have a great reputation, and I take it offensively to be called a "GEEK" when I am not one. Your ranting has passed the point of welcome, and at this point, I'm pretty sure a lot of people are getting tired of reading your words, just as you are tired of reading ours. At this point, take what I said seriously, and make the right decision before posting again.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Tregrad:
well put explicit,

no need to come in here and try to pick a fight, Im going to report to the mods if it keeps up and let them deal with "it"

I heard on the radio today durring the market report that AT&T and Verison are going to be charging a flat rate for their service 99 bucks per month.......better pay attention Sprint!!!!! if they go to that IM GONE ! ! retention is going to have their work cut out for them.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dalvarez7:
There are also rumors that Sprint will offer the same plan for only 60 to 80 dollars a month...very interesting. :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nosmohtac:
Sprint is ready to take them on.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/02/20/sprint-gearing-up-to-offer-60-month-unlimited-calling-plan/

VZW's service is going to be 99 just for voice and $169 for unlimited everything(if you have a PDA phone). Doesn't sound like a very good deal to

me. I just left VZW in Oct. for this very reason. They treat PDA phones like they're an aircard for a laptop. On the upside, if you were to pay the $169, the 5GB limit no longer applies for data, but I never go over 5GB anyway.

You'd have to have a large need for minutes to use this over SERO.

SERO's most expensive plan is $99/mo for 2500 anytime and unlimited everything, with those 2500 only being used from 7am to 7pm.

I hope this does well for Sprint. If Sprint goes under then Verizon won't have any reason to drop prices.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dalvarez7:
I hope Sprint keeps it around 60...I would like to see what their data plan will be like. For me it's a mute point since I'm an employee and get that all for free. But I sure would like to see Sprint make some bold moves. Sorry...I got off topic. My bad. (hand slap)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] pflatlyne:
I for one have a great reputation for being a geek. =) Im the guy everyone goes to when their stuff breaks.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] pflatlyne:
I wonder if that will be through retentions or for everyone. If so,I wonder if we can get even better if we threaten to leave.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] stevenewjersey:
Why anyone would pay 99$ for cell service is beyond me. I only pay 35$ and thats with unlimited data and 600 minutes. I you need more then that amount of air time you are going to be shaving tumors off of your head before long.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Tregrad:
pff I burn up 600 minutes getting out of bed. I average around 3500 to 4000 a month, im on this stinkin thing all the time, thank god for unlimited incoming calls.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Dc_striker:
i use 7000-8000 i love having unlimited incooming too
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] morganlowe:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/20/sprint-gearing-up-to-offer-60-month-unlimited-calling-plan/

I want this to be true. I cant get SERO where I live, cant get EVDO... Sprint gave me 20% off for my "Inconvenience" but you know... I still burn up tons of minutes and have to pay over $100 a month.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] coffey_joshua:
Just another random date someone tossed out into air....

i read over at pdaphonehome.com that someone talked to someone who said march 10th. (it is a monday)

go figure i'm no fortune teller but i think sprint will release it before 2009

and verizon will release it before 9002
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Dc_striker:
what plan do you have?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Asphyx:
I understand someone complaining about lack of communication...As I said in my post it is the only REAL legitimate *****...

But look at it from another standpoint...

You got engineers working hard on making the upgrade work...

Every minute they spend put the upgrade one minute closer to release...

Do we want them to stop working on the upgrade to change a web page or would you rather they just shut out the rest of the world and keep working?

Sure it would be nice if they picked up a phone and told their webmaster to change the dates...

But the sad truth is none of the people who are complaining would stop in fact they would complain even louder "Oh here we go again!"

IMO you know what the mistake really is?

It isn't really a problem of too little information...

It's a problem of too much communication!

They should never had put a date up there!

If they hadn't no one could get bent out of shape for missing it!

This is a forum to discuss upgrading the titan...not a Carrier ***** forum...

And while I'm trying to read the thread that all talk about DOING something with the unit I have to weed through all the complaints about how someone else isn't doing something quick enough for you...

It's simply not a productive use of the bandwidth or SQL server space!
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] ponicg:
From a strictly engineering point of view, you are right. It is a waste of bandwidth and SQL server cycles/storage, as well as an engineer's time. What you don't realize, however, is that an engineer doesn't have to do this. The project manager could swing by, find out that it's not done, and satisfy his CUSTOMERS by updating it with something along the lines of "It's 2/21/08 and we're still working hard to provide you a bug-free ROM update. We haven't forgotten about you, and we've got engineers working around-the-clock to ensure that your experience with HTC devices is the best it could be". A statement like that once or twice a month would go a long way towards calming down some of the griping, I think, and be a prudent business move. You don't alienate/screw your customers, and you communicate your intentions to them in a situation like this.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] eXplicit815:
Honestly, a long drawn out response is a waste of time. And if you're so worried about it, this "Titan Upgrading" forum has plenty of other threads to read information about. So... If you keep coming back to this specific one just to see if it's been released, or to see if anyone has any information, you should probably stick by what you're saying and not worry about WHEN it will come out, because like you said "It'll be here eventually." My suggestion is to start viewing HTC's page everyday, and not rely on us cause you can't come in here without trying to complain about our issues with their lack of communication.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dalvarez7:
I've received word today that the new ROM should be approved for release on the 29th and then be posted on Sprint and HTC site on March 10th.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Tregrad:
Should I start holding my breath now or wait till later LOLOL
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] eXplicit815:
Yeah, and someone over at PPC geeks has been spouting off that it'll be here tomorrow. Although, last Friday, they did release the AT&T Tilt ROM. But, not getting my hopes up. Just gonna wait for it.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dalvarez7:
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[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dalvarez7:
I understand completely and can't obviously guarantee this, but my sources are pretty reliable. I'm optimistic that it will be on the 10th. I'm just passing on what I heard today.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] answerman:
Good God. There are only +/- 43000 minutes in a month. Figuring 8 hours of sleep a night, you are spending over 25% of your "awake" life on the phone.

What do you do besides talk on the phone?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Asphyx:
Well that assumes HTC runs their website internally...

Most companies don't do that they contract it out.

Each time they call the company that runs and updates the website they get charged! So the rule is (and should be) don't put anything on the website unless the information is solid and correct...

As each update could cost them $75 to make...

the mistake was putting the date up on the website!

No Promise made means no promise broken!

All of this *****ing is not going to make them work any quicker, and if it does they probably also work in a rushed and sloppy manner and when they do release something it could be a horror show in the stability department.

I am prepared to wait until August if that is what it takes to get a stable product.

And I simply know the results when you rush someone to release something by a calendar.

Just look at how many patches you need to run on your average video game before it operates correctly and as advertised these days. Because you have marketing people setting release dates instead of engineers and programmers.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] wwing49:
It will be nice to have an official release because that is what they base their roms on. With a better official release and an official radio their cooked roms will be harder, better, faster and stronger. Well maybe just better and faster.

Long story short, everyone will benefit from this; even if you don't "use" the rom, you use a rom that uses the official in some way/shape/form.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Tregrad:
Yeah i was just funnin with ya man
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] THE_CEO:
They already do!

CEO
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Tregrad:
WHERE!....
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Dc_striker:
Skate go movies chill with friends
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] sanjsrik:
ROTFLMAO

Don't forget these are the same people who think that talking on the cellphone while still having their iPods in their ears and yelling at someone else is normal.

You spend that much time on the phone you better be getting paid by the minute by the person on the other side.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] sanjsrik:
after all, you can do all of those WHILE on the phone

of course, if you're talking on the phone with the person IN the same room, you should perhaps invest in some therapy as well. But, you could do that on the phone too. Oh, wait, another 1000 minutes there.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Dc_striker:
yea ok casue i have a gf the calls me a lot that why i have a problem ok
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] sanjsrik:
I wonder

there are so many ways to go with this, the choices are simply endless and beyond understanding. Oh, the mind reels.

Could it be that the "gf" the calls the should the spend the more the time the with the you the then the minutes the would the be the less?

the...
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Dc_striker:
i see her everyday she calls me as soon as i leave her house wtf is your problem

its funny how u talk Sh*t over the internet
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] cstyle226:
Back to topic please.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Dc_striker:
having the unlimited plan would be great for sprint tho
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] cstyle226:
My work gave me my mogul and pays for all of it, so I don't care...haha.

(sorry...that was arrogant)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Dc_striker:
nice so you dont have to waste your money on your phone
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So the OS overlays round corners on the bottom with a small radius. Like tiny.

Is it possible to modify those or do an overlay or something, maybe to match the top?
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Hello, just wondering what I can do to get my snapdragon note as close to stock android as possible. I've changed the launcher, but I'm not aware of many other things to do to the phone - there aren't a huge amount of custom ROMs available yet, and changing the skin only goes so far. Is there anything I can do to essentially remove touchwiz and move away from samsung's UI?
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