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[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] shadowcore:
You know things are desperate when people have to make "feel good" threads.

As for the validity of media or what else has been said here, this entire thread is pure conjecture and speculation made against others who disagree.

Im also not sure who this is directed at. The people who dont like/want this phone wont be here.

Neither will the people who returned them.

As for the point of the thread.

If you buy a device that costs a grand, might aswell demand no ISSUES.

Neither apples pathetic response to possible issues with the screen nor Google's "we are looking into it" imply a whole lot respect for the consumer or confindence for their devices.

You can like your device, you can claim its perfect, beautiful, whatever. But for this price, nothing short of perfection(as much as it can be achieved) should be demanded.

If im paying a grand, i dont want to be bothered by RMAs or other BS.

If they have QC issues, they are free to perhaps ship some jobs back to Europe/America. Im sure they have enough money to pay decent wages for people to QC their devices or produce them here.

If not, they should not expect mercy from the consumer or press, and yes this includes apple too

What a pathetic age we live in.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] AndrasLOHF:
You do know you're paying for more than hardware right? You don't really think you're getting a minimum of 3 years OS updates, a minimum of 3 years of monthly security updates, support help right on the device, and all that unlimited storage for nothing do ya.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] PhoenixPath:
Why not demand pink unicorns as well, since we're apparently asking for the impossible?

No device is without "issues". Not a one.

If you won't pay a grand for any non-perfect device, and no such device exists, you are basically claiming no device is worth a grand.

Welp...okay. it's a perfectly valid opinion. Thanks for sharing.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] shadowcore:
Do you believe any of the current issues would be present, if they had QC that actually was managed properly?

It cant be because of technology that the device costs this much, about a grand, in 2017.

Surely they can afford proper QC at an asking price of 1 grand.

Im not sure proper QC is like pink unicorns, but i guess people should just shut up.

A proper premium tier QC is pink unicorns. Im having the timw of my life now.

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Thats true, i wish only they provided a black skin/overlay for android.

Its 2017 and only custom roms offer amoled friendly UI.

Im not sureni value android updates when they offer no enhancements i need.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] PhoenixPath:
QC doesn't stop issues from reaching the public. It limits them.

A certain number of bad devices will invariably get out in the market. This is unavoidable.

If you are trying to claim that it is avoidable, that any company could release a device and the public would not see a single failure, please - do tell; what fantastical device is it?

If you are trying to claim that *all* Pixel 2 XL devices are bad, well, you're entitled to your opinion, but if that is indeed the case, your opinion is not at all relevant to us.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] shadowcore:
Pray tell, do you really believe issues such as blue tint or burn in wouldnt be caught by proper QC?

These issues are so obvious, even non-tech savy people can notice them.

And no, i didnt claim qc prevents all bad apples, but thw moat obvious ones. Way to strawman my point there.

All google needed to do, when noticing issues in QC , is hold off on the release date.

You can probably imagine how much i enjoyed last years fiasco with exploding batteries with samsung.

If anything, that was the epitome and parody of the flagship smartphone industry.

Imagine buying a porsche and getting one that had paint issues or an expensive mercedes with discolored glass.

If i wanted to gamble and try my luck, i would get an Oppo, not a pixel or samsung.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] whyme45125:
I agree with both you guys lol. IMO the issue is when testing Google from day 1 just looked past the blue tint and other issues thinking "This is the way it has to be" "it's a trade off" and software updates will fix it or it's just supposed to be like that. Hence the quality issues, if you tell your QC dept that it's supposed to look like that then they'll unfortunately let them all leave the factory like that. Probably why there's 50 shades of blue and no direct reasoning or answer from anyone as to why there's such a variance between the exact same devices produced on the same date even. BTW shadowcore is onto something I've been previously saying, yea there's shortcomings with any new device but it shouldn't be this bad all over the map with these things for the price they charge. And then attempted sweeping under the rug of it all, "working as intended" just to rub ya the wrong way after all that money spent whether you got 5 discounts or paid full retail. PRINCIPLE. This is top tier device I know it's been done before here but would you buy a brand new BMW/AUDI/LEXUS/MERCEDES and be just fine with creaking plastic crappy interior you sit in every time you drive? We need to interact with this screen every day all day for some people.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] PhoenixPath:
Is their QC sub-par? Do they actually have more defective units than other vendors?

Is there anything other than the initial media coverage, now little more than background noise, that implies Google's devices see more defects in the market than others?

Or, as you just admitted in the last post, are you just super happy about any and all failures and maybe that is what is driving your fervor?

I mean, even if that's what it is, I get it. These companies make billions - watching them trip and fall, even if it's only in our perception, can be somewhat cathartic - is it really any more than that, though?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] XDA451:
I can fully agree with you on that.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] lirex:
I've ordered four Pixel 2 XL 128 GB phones and the only problem I've found is the slight blue tint when angled differently. It's not bothering anybody so we kept all 4 devices.

Hardware revision of the phones:

rev_10

You can check yours at:

Settings -> System - > About phone - > tap on Model
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Kroniq:
For what it's worth, I've owned the 5, 6, 5x unlocked previously so I am experienced in flashing and all of the software and Hardware problems that you'd often hear about with those phones. I decided to give sammy a go on the S7 after the 5x got destroyed and despite not being able to root, I finally felt comfortable not having to do all that in a phone. Absolutely no bloatware. I always thought to myself "if I could only customize the kernel..."

fast forward to this Christmas and my ole lady surprised me with the pixel 2 XL.. I was stoked until I realized it's a Verizon device, but I had a 14 day grace period anyway. After a week, the bootloader exploit came out for the pixel 2 and I tried like hell to switch from the XL. Verizon kept giving me bull**** excuses about how I couldn't get a phone for 3 more week, so I was stuck with either no phone, or the 2XL... And despite the bootloader Being locked down like my S7, I am completely satisfied with this phone. There is a stuck pixel but other than that the phone is awesome.

Everyone is going to have a different experience, my only suggestion is to use the phone and enjoy it for what it is...a beast phone with front facing speakers that sound good, great battery, a huge screen and constant software updates not to mention the best camera available on a smartphone... And who knows I might get lucky in time with a bootloader exploit for the XL2

Problems with previous Google phones that I've owned:

N5 - haptic feedback speakers, battery and Cameras all sucked

N6 - burn in, horrible battery, too big

N5x - lag, speaker problems, battery

Pixel 2 XL - not going to act like there is no blue tint, but it is barely noticeable
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dieselhazza:
Doesn't mean you have to end up with a phone with quality issues. Why pay a premium price if you are going to end up with a phone that is with screen problems. Especially when you know you stare at the screen at all times when using the phone
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] TokyoGuy:
I love the entitlement from Americans who think that "return it" is somehow a universal solution. Well it's not. In some countries once you buy something, you're stuck with something.

Do you know what happens if you play around with a device for two weeks in Japan and ask for your money back? Nothing. You get nothing but wasted time.

And the Pixel 2 isn't avaliable here, nor is it in most of the world, and thus those of us who import it are stuck. End of story.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] AndrasLOHF:
You mean like every phone out there? Pretty sure all phones have issues. Hell the Samsung groups have been talking ++++ about the Pixel 2's since they came out. Aren't they having S8 devices now that don't wake up after hitting 0 percent charge and are now experiencing screens that are waking up on their own draining battery, and even factory reset doesn't fix it?

Just saying....every phone has an issue. Every.......single......one.......of.......them. :silly:
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dieselhazza:
Yes every phone has a problem which is expected.

What I'm saying is having screen issues is unacceptable. You stare at it when you are using the device. I personally wouldn't want that on a premium handset. Minor issues is acceptable but screen is a major defect.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Thoughtful:
Your phone being unable to charge if it hits 0 is a minor issue?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] AndrasLOHF:
That's why there are options. Consumers can choose what defect to live with. You're still posting opinions. I'm posting facts based on your first comment that comes off expecting any phone that has a high price tag to be perfect. Fact is...no matter what cost, every device is going to have something wrong with it.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dieselhazza:
Yes exactly every phone is going to have something wrong with it. However the one thing you don't want on a flagship premium phone is a defective screen. The one thing that connects one to a phone is the screen. So that is truly unacceptable. Samsung know how to have great quality screens. Sony know how to make 4K screens. Now look at pixel 2 XL
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Gilley:
So I'm on my 3rd RMA device I believe. 1st one had huge battery drain even in safe mode. 2nd I had screen burn in right away bad. Now this one I cant install the January OTA update. So in process of talking with Google on how to fix it or get another one. Its been a pain in the @$$ to constantly set everything up and tweak settings just how I want every other week between RMA's and them telling me to try a hard reset. When this phone is running right I wouldnt change anything on it. I just wish I could get one that works for longer then 3 weeks.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Reuben_skelz92:
The screens fine by the way . And all phones have batches of faulty screens. Even samsung. I went through 4 oneplus 5t phones and all of the had screens that weren't uniform . The last one was just about livable. Samsung have plenty of reports of pink tints on there screens.

HTC i went through 3 HTC 10 and 4 HTC U11. All of them had pink tints to some degree with a yellower tint you on the bottom 3rd. Also every single U11 has light bleed along the bottom.

Heck even the mate 10 pro I had the screen wasn't uniform
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dieselhazza:
You seem to be kidding yourself. For instance the S8 and Note 8 have been rated to have the best screen. On the other hand sony xz premium has been rated for the best clarity.

When it comes to the pixel 2 xl the screen has been rated as pretty defective with colour shifting. I personally wouldn't want poor screen quality on a premium device. Its not an oppo we are talking about here. Its just not acceptable
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pixelsquish:
I find the screen on the Pixel 2 XL to be quite beautiful, using the natural color profile in my case.

If you love Samsung panels, please, go get a Samsung phone and let us enjoy our pixel 2 phones. I'll take the colors and clarity and circular polarization filter of the Pixel 2 any day of the week and twice on Sundays over a Samsung phone and it's slower updates and inferior camera and bloatware. That's why we have choices. You don't see me in the Samsung forums bashing Samsung phones. Maybe deep down you covet the Pixel 2 over your Samsung and are having latent aggression issues?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Reuben_skelz92:
Think your kidding yourself. It's overblown and the screen is great. Not as good as Samsung but no phones are.

I was simply stating that any phone screen can have faults and problems. Best to actually try it not just believe everything you read. People will also tell you that Samsung phones are smooth now???
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] gee2012:
In every day use the screen is great, i doesn`t bother me there is a blueish shift when using a white background if the screen is tilted. For the rest its a good screen for all other background colors.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dieselhazza:
I'm not bashing the pixel 2 XL. I actually find it to be one of the best devices out. However only let down by the screen. Having owned a S7 edge and xz premium I know what screen quality means. If google actually fix this screen issue with their next handset pixel 3 xl i would definitely buy one. Also the xz premium is one of the fastest devices available which doesn't lag.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Reuben_skelz92:
But I've had loads of phones and the pixel 2 xl is comparable other than the s8/note 8. And I'm extremely fussy with my screens.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dieselhazza:
For someone who is fussy you seem to be ignoring the screen issues. Irrelevant of how many phones you have owned used etc the screen on the pixel 2 XL is defective. However the screen on the little sibling the pixel 2 is normal. I'm afraid most choose to ignore this. No amount of software can fix hardware issues.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dieselhazza:
Ahhhh if you actually check reports of technicians analysing the screen on the pixel 2 XL you will see that no pixel 2 XL is exempt from screen issues. The problem is the way it was manufactured. I'm sure Google will sort it out with LG with the next generation pixel devices. However at the current time all pixel 2 XL have defective screen. You can believe what you want but this is not coming from one source. If it wasn't for the screen it was the phone to have
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pixelsquish:
I don't think you have any idea of what you are talking about.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] reactor_sa:
When every screen is affected the same, it's not a defect, it is an inherent flaw in the technology or the design. The off axis blue hue either bothers you or it doesn't.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dieselhazza:
The screen is faulty my friend. In other words its defective so just accept the fact. No need to be in denial

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I understand that you are in denial. Its hard to accept such a defect but a hardware issue can not be addressed with software updates.

This problem is not existent on LG V30 which suprises me. I think LG did it on purpose
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Paradoxxx:
To be honest, I have a Pixel 2 XL, and I hate the screen. It's grainy, the Pixel takes ages to get lit up after being black, and there's a brightness anomaly at low light. It's so much worse than my girlfriend's S7, it's a shame. Oh and k forgot the display assembly gap that makes it sound like a cheapo phone when you're using the keyboard.

And I'm not even talking about the black crush and the blue tint...

It's so bad that the phone is so good otherwise, but the display is kinda crap. Furthermore when in my case I was spoiled by a S8.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] NOSTALGIA:
Keep everything civil or else I'm gonna take action to this. Everyone is entitle to his own opinion whatever the case. Respect is the key here...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] chriskwarren:
Screen is good not as good as Samsung IMO. Only issue I have is black smearing, which I have not seen this bad on any oled I have owned.

I have reported the posts in here btw that have the name calling and trolling. Hopefully it gets cleaned up.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dieselhazza:
Obviously screen is not as good as Samsung because the screen is not made by Samsung. The screen on the Pixel 2 XL is made by LG. I don't know how Google even released a phone with a defective screen. They should have delayed the release and purchased the screens from Samsung. Then it would have been flawless
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ApriliaM3:
Thread cleaned of the stupidity and I don't want to be returning for more of the same.

This is your warning.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Galaxo60:
I got my Pixel 2 XL 2 days ago and I have been using AMOLED screens for 3 years and never in my life I experienced this color shift in any of the phones I have had. I have tried different brands, but always AMOLED technology.

I still have 3 of those phones, including an old Galaxy S4, Alcatel Idol 4S and Mate 9 Pro, and none of them has this "blue" shift, or in any other color; view angles are perfect on each of them.

Blue shift is really noticeable, for me it was enough to turn on the device for the first time to see that this defect is a pain in the ass in everyday use, and people just justify like "I don't see the phone in weird angles".

Those justifications are pretty bad for a device that is almost €1K here in Europe, and moreover, is a lie. On the first day I faced 2 situations when blue tint was annoying: trying to read the news with the phone in the table while I was waiting in a restaurant and using the phone as GPS in my car. You can't use your phone at perfect angles all the time, is no real life usage at all.

The people who are saying that this is flaw of the OLED technology, they are lying as well. None of my devices has any shift in color and I think is a cheap lie from Google to justify a bad quality control. How come no one noticed this thing before when we have been using OLED technology for years?. You guys want a flaw of OLED?, burn in is a flaw that everybody knows and is something inherited to OLED technologies, but this blue shift is not, because the Pixel 2 XL is the only who has it.

Overall, the people saying that is not that of a problem, either are blind or they don't know what a good screen is.

:rolleyes:
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Paradoxxx:
This, 100%. I had many OLED screens by the past as well, and coming from a S8, the screen is quite bad.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] jmartin72:
The blue tint doesn't bother me in the least. The only time I see it is when I intentionally tilt the phone, and look for it. As for the burn in, I came from the OG Pixel, (not the XL) and I swore it didn't have burn in. Then I downloaded one of the apps that show one solid color on the entire screen, and sure enough, I could see the Nav. bar and on screen buttons burnt in on the screen. After a year and 2 months, my OG Pixel had burn in. Had I not installed that app, I would have never seen it. I've turned down the brightness on my new phone, and I'll never worry about it again.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] BabelHuber:
My screen also has the blue shift when viewed from weird angles, and I couldn't care less:

- I hold my phone in my hand when I use it, I never have it lying on the table

- My car has built-in Google traffic info from the OEM and on top supports Android Auto. I never look at the phone when driving

So your "is no real life usage at all" is valid for you, I believe you this. But in my case, it does not matter. Deal with it, different people have different usage patterns.

What matters much more to me is that I got the SPECTRE-fix on January 2nd - when does Samsung ship the fix?

Also I don't need to replace some stupid-looking Samsung Apps like the dialer with the according Google app. I also don't need to debloat the Pixel 2 XL, unlike the Samsung and LG phones I owned.

Oh, and the Pixel is not made completely out of glass, another bonus point.

If you can't stomach the blue shift, get another device. This is why we have choice.

If you don't mind the Samsung-bloat, the slow updates and like all-glass-phones, get a Samsung and be happy with it. You have my blessing, really.

But please don't tell me that my usage pattern "is no real life usage at all" and instead admit that different people have different needs and values.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Galaxo60:
Maybe you got a unit with less blue tint and that's why it doesn't bother you. I can assure you, that any screen with lot of blue tint is annoying.

Lucky you!

;)

Are you an Apple fanboy or just Samsung hater?, why even mention it when no one is talking about Samsung?.

What about reading your own words again?: " admit that different people have different needs and values".

The fact that the failure in the screen of this device doesn't affect or bother you, doesn't mean is not there. Why everyone keeps denying that the Pixel 2 XL has a problem with the screen?, we have been seeing smartphones for more than 10 years, and still can't remember any phone with the same problem.

If you don't care about having a subpar screen, there are other people that care and we need to complain, because otherwise, tomorrow we will get just cheap and blue screens in all devices because "no one care about blue shift".

Put your ducks in a row and stop denying a problem that affects us all, no matter your opinion if you care or not, because I can assure you that you would have preferred to have a perfect screen with no problems at all.

:eek:
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] BabelHuber:
What kind of problem do you have? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

As a matter of fact, the Pixel 2 XL does have the blue shift at wide viewing angles. I don't deny this.

Other issues like the grainy screen are QC issues. This is a poor showing of Google, no question about this.

But my phone is fine - the blue shift is of course there, but this is no defect. It's just how the screen is.

Otherwise it's not too bad: https://www.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl-xda-display-analysis

If you cannot stand the screen, simply get a different phone. Problem solved.

But my opinion is that the screen issues are overblown, I think it's OK. Of course people who use weird viewing angles could see things differently.

Otherwise the phone is top-notch! Camera, software, updates, performance, battery life - all is great!

I don't give a rat's ass about some rants of unsatisfied buyers, but I want that people who are looking for a phone and checking these forums don't get turned off by people having buyer's remorse. Yes, perhaps you can find a phone with a better screen, but I think the whole package is top-notch. YMMV, so make up your mind before shelling out the money.