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[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] parakleet:
sorry i dont use whats app and am unfamiliar with the other issues
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] fcng:
At this point there won't be a perfect screen. There will only be minimal blue shift at best so we just have to live with it. Mine is only minimal blue shift which I'm ok when I tilt on angle. Just enjoy the fluidity of the phone UI and zippiness of open/close apps.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] oneandroidnut:
Looks good. Is it good in person??

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Prove me wrong and find the cost breakdown for xl 2.

And I think they just flat out couldn't afford Samsung and kept their price increase there because they are just as greedy as everybody else.

I appreciate the squeezable sides and speakers but I think they could have still had room for a headphone jack. I think this phone should have almost everything including a good screen lol last year's pixel XL I didn't think was worth the money and I didn't put it down until note 8 came out! Guess Samsung has me again until Google can do something with screens or change it up
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] spdwiz18:
i know im late to the pixel game. just got mine over the weekend. I have to say i really like it and i do see the blue screen issues that everyone seems to be talking about. i dont mind it With that said, there is a build quality issue with mine. top right corner is not rounded like it should as seen in the picture. I can deal with it though.. only see it on white screens
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Return that ASAP, that's a defect. Unless you like dead pixels.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bsg411:
Return that dude...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] starche_old:
Totally agree. Price difference should be around $10-$20, and for $1,000 device is the difference is negligent.

Seeing how many device each here have to go... In the end of the day I would think proper QC process together with $10-$20 difference for better screen will cost Google MUCH, MUCH less. it's doesn't take a genius to get that. And hey, I'm even talking about satisfied customers (how cares about that, right?) and reputation losses. All that heap is no good for business.

Also, it's kinda weird that V30 has exactly the same screen and does not have all those problems. Either Google got bad batch either they went cheap. We'll see shortly which statement is correct.

So, for now I'll stay with my old S7 coz pixel 2 xl is definitely out of my list until Google will be ab;e to fix screen problem.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] oneandroidnut:
Exactly. Imagine the money they have spent in just returns alone and shipping them back.

I actually was going to get a V30 just to compare the screens for fun but haven't found a good deal on one yet.

Yup you and me both, sticking to my note 8 for now until the screen issue is resolved
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Don't forget about me, the Note 8 won this battle for me too. I returned my 5th and last 2XL to Google yesterday. The blue was very bad and the manufacture date was 11/17. That's totally unacceptable to me. The Pixel 2 I have is very nice but a bit too small for me.

EDIT: I had a Pixel 2.. it just sold.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] oneandroidnut:
Yup I really liked the Pixel 2 XL as well but the screen issue was just too much for me to handle for a $1,000 phone! Pixel 2 is nice as well but it is too small. Camera is so good it makes me want it bad! I have had 2 XL and both were awful and checked a few out at verizon stores and all had bad blue tint!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bradhoschar:
I just got my panda YESTERDAY with the Nov build on it, had the line and burned image on the left about 4" from the bottom.

Enrolled in the 8.1 beta before bed, woke up today, and the burn in was gone somehow.

But yes, I agree, they should do a massive recall and send us new Pixels.

Sad part is, this phone was only made 2 weeks ago....

#Fail.

EDIT: Nevermind. It came back. Packaging it up now to send back for replacement #1.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] starche_old:
Not only moneys for shipping and handling. There's much more than that - now the have to deal with returned units somehow. Depends on what they will decided I can easily see 7 or even 8-digit number around that decision. I'm not a genius in business, but that looks as a pure lost for that stupid decision.

You're lucky, you've got note 8. I'm stuck with s7 for now,let's see what will happen down the road.

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In order to send new pixel 2 xl units, Google need to figure out what happened first. And than depends on the root cause of the problem decide what to do.

If the reason is Google just got bad batch of screens from LG, than that's an easy one. Just get new units and send them to the customers and return bad units to LG plus claim all expenses if the contract with LG allows that.

But if Google decided to go cheap and lowered the screen specs than it's much worse story to tell you guys. I would imagine there's a good chance there will be no "fixed" screens in foreseeable future.

And the fact that V30 has no issues with their screens... IDK guys, but the 2nd option looks more reasonable to me.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] LimitsX:
This. well said. I tried LG V30, and screen is amazing! Google went cheap on Pixel 2 XL. Removing headphone jack was the reason to cut costs, and being cheap. Even cheap phones feel better than pixel 2 xl lol. I just received 3rd pixel 2 xl, not much blue shift, but extremely grainy display and pink colour when you normally look at it. Also, very bad black smearing.

I am going to give up now, because I tried 8 different pixel 2 xL, 64gb and 128 gb. Nothing good.. I might stay with S8 or go with Note 8. I wanted a bigger screen display but not so much curved as S8 is.

I've been with samsung since nexus 4 (my unit had many issues). S4, then temporary S6 and now S8 lol. I get adblocking on S8 through other means, and thats what I needed root for.

It's sad, I wanted a pure android device this time around.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] starche_old:
How much in $$$ toy can save removing headphone jack, especially - in mass production? Really, Google? I could understand if we are talking about $350 phone, but pixel 2 XL triples the price. Saving pennies and losing $100s does not look smart business decision to me.

I also wanna have pure Android. I came from Nexus 5 which I owned for 3+ years. Fantastic device, fantastic devs support, great price, pure Android all the way. You can't get anything better. But those days are gone...

But don't worry, buddy. All you need is:

- good hardware

- unlocked BL

- working LOS and/or AOSP ROM

- good devs support.

For sure, pixel 2 XL is completely covering the bill with one SMALL exception... And that's why we all are here.

There are devices which meeting all above mentioned criteria. But me personally will wait for Treble and SD845 till early 2018. I would think that worth waiting, at least - for me.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Voicebox:
Over the weeks, I've gone to the V30 forum and done general internet searches for V30 blue shift or blue tint. Appears to not be anywhere close to the same scale issue. There is some mention, but it isn't nearly as bad. Like some reviewer noticed it at a sharp angle. Someone on I think reddit was discussing and said there was a different filter used on the V30 and Pixel 2XL. That seems to be a plausible explanation if there really isn't much of a problem on the V30. Since Google out of the box wanted their "more natural" color scheme, I could see them choosing a different filter. But again, who was asking for a more natural color scheme for their phones? Another bad decision by Google.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Voicebox:
I don't think anyone will be doing a cost breakdown for the Pixel 2XL. Mainly because the custom processing chip is a wild guess. All the other chips are 3rd party, available to everyone or have similar competing chips. But a limited run custom chip is a negotiated price that only 2 parties will know, and probably pretty high per chip.

Anyway, it is almost opposite arguments to say that from they couldn't afford Samsung panels, but that at the retail price, they should be able to afford a better screen. At the retail price they obviously could afford a great screen, since everyone else at the top end manages to do it. The oneplus 5T is said to have a Samsung screen (6 inches), though at lower resolution, but hundreds of dollars less.

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/oneplus-5t-vs-pixel-2,review-4902.html

But I also think Google blew too much on unneeded things, and went for a cheaper LG panel. Though if that other poster is right about them investing into LG's panel R&D, they're probably adding that to the cost on an overall level. In which case it won't show up on a teardown estimate.

I actually think they're greedier than others, because they don't have to face reality. If they fall tens of millions of units short on expected sales, no one outside the company will notice, and hardly anyone inside the company.

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Mine looks exactly like that straight on. That's where the similarities end. If there's no graininess, you won the screen lottery.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] starche_old:
You're absolutely right - V30 screen is nowhere as bad as XL one. I did my homework too (stupid habit, I know) and I saw that discussion regarding the filter. I tend to disagree though. Just filter can't cause that blue tint as bad as we see (correct me if I'm wrong here). Plus panels' quality is not really consistent across the board. That definitely has nothing to do with filter.

Update.

Just speculating here. What if Google made a decision to get panels cheaper and offered LG a deal that they will take panels with did not passed LG's QC - up to certain level and/or quantity of defects. That's a good deal for LG - instead of scrapping the panels for free, they will get something for them. That's good deal for Google too - get "not that terribly bad" panels for much cheaper. Sounds like win-win story, right? Here's the problem: While Google trying to make a coin or two, they missed the whole point - why they are doing what they are doing. They forgot about their customers, how they will look at the screen.

Keep in mind, that's just my personal speculations. Not necessarily that describes what happened. But that describes what MIGHT had happened, at least - it looks logical to me. Correct me here if I'm wrong.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Voicebox:
I pretty sure Google would never take only rejects. Plenty of screens have come out ok no matter the build date. But they could set a lower QC standard. So LG might only pass screens that don't start going blue until 45 degrees from straight on and Google might pass screens that started going blue at 30 degrees from straight on. Something like that.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] jimv1983:
Wow, 8 bad phones? You must be very unlucky. I've seen 5 Pixel 2 XL phones. The first 3 were demos at Verizon stores, the 4th was mine and the 5th was my co-worker who got one as well. In all cases the only issue was slight blue shift at viewing angles greater than normal usage. Otherwise the screens looked great with no other problems with the phones.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] starche_old:
May be.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] zetsumeikuro:
I highly doubt the screens will get any better at this point. It's so late into the game and I think they just want to get rid of stock. Hopefully they learned their lesson and drop LG next year or hold them to higher standards.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] TokyoGuy:
I've asked rhetorically before: Why couldn't Google use Samsung. Honestly speaking. You have the S8, S8 Plus, and the Note 8, all of which are giant success stories. Why use LG?

It really seems to be a case of Google trying to have the cheapest bill of parts and labor and wanting the largest profit possible. Granted this is how businesses work, but at what point does one have to ask if the absurdly high price tag is justified by the poor screen panels.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] imnuts:
No one here knows why Google picked LG over Samsung. And no amount of complaining is going to change the screen manufacturer. There are some good theories as to why Google went with LG, but no one knows for certain.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
Maybe next year, but with their huge investment into LG, I doubt it. Samsung probably wasn't willing to give them the S8/S8+/Note8 screen. If they were, the S8 display may have been too small for Google's liking for an XL phone, and the S8+ and Note8 displays may have been too big to keep the stereo speakers. Or maybe Google's contract with LG prevents them from using Samsung displays if a suitable LG display is available (V30 display clearly was, but no small LG OLED display exists yet for the regular Pixel 2). Or maybe as you said, Google wanted the largest profit margin possible... seems a bit stupid as it has now bit them in the ass. Apple ponied up a pretty penny to have the iPhone X display custom made. Google has the cash to do the same, but maybe Samsung didn't see it being worthwhile in terms of sale numbers (millions of iPhone X displays vs maybe 1-2 million 2 XL displays). Samsung did give the OP5T a 6" curved corner OLED panel, but it's only 1080p which is lower quality in itself due to pentile sub-pixel arrangement.

I'm disappointed either way. I hate the display on my 2 XL. I've had four phones and they've all been the same story. My iPhone X display blows the piece of **** on the 2 XL out of the water, but I love everything else about the 2 XL which makes it hard to completely write off.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Electroluxray:
Got my XL 2 yesterday. Decided to keep it.

The blue shift is disappointing though not horrible. At lower brightness levels the screen gets very "contrasty" and that's my biggest complaint. I wish the dynamic range was better.

I tried some other phones and had as many gripes with those too though (S8+ edges too curvy, and screen too narrow. Pixel XL too slippery, fat, heavy, and mega bezels. iPhone X Facepalm ID infrared gave me a migraine! and too narrow and fragile, difficult to read text. Note 8 too curvy and heavy and fragile...). Yes I'm that picky.

I'm running the screen dimmer app 'Twilight' to warm up the Pixel XL 2 screen a bit. It's always set to around "Temperature 2000k" "Intensity 7%" or some variation of those.

This XL 2 screen is very similar to the Galaxy Nexus I owned way back when. Like almost exactly the same. I'll try and power it on this weekend for a comparison. One thing worth mentioning, the blue pixels fade faster than the others on all OLEDs, and my old Galaxy Nexus screen got warmer as the months passed. Same with my Note 4. Maybe the same will happen with the XL 2? Less blue shift as time goes on?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Electroluxray:
Blue shift on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus from 2011

[IMG="Samsung Galaxy Nexus blue shift"]https://imgur.com/a/ofRwN[/IMG]

Edit: I'm not able to post an image link. One more try: imgur.com/a/ofRwN
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] oneandroidnut:
6 year old phone and still isnt as bad as pixel 2 xl, ugh smh google
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] b4db0ys:
i too have hardware rev_10 , but it has blue shift as well as slight burn-in too.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mngdew:
Isn't it obvious? iPhone X is the reason.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] oneandroidnut:
Finally somebody else that agrees with me! They can't compete with Apple and their money, sales etc etc
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Electroluxray:
rev_10 here as well. There's a blue shift like the rest. Haven't noticed any burn in yet.

Looking at it straight on with a white background, the left side is the tiniest bit more blue than the right. It shifts to normal rotating it a couple degrees to the right. Most people wouldn't notice.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] danlat1415:
To test for 'burn in' open up this image:

https://i1.wp.com/ausdroid.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/screenshot_20171022-153201.png?ssl=1

Its a nice clear grey image.

I didn't notice any burn in on mine until I used this image, and I could see burn in on the bottom nav bar, but also a 'G' right in the middle of the screen from the boot sequence.

It was only faint, but I took a phone, sent it to Google and they agreed to replace the phone for a new one straight away. I didn't buy my phone from Google directly - so bonus.

If your phone is showing burn in already, then it will only get worse over time.

If you're alright with how it is so far, I would recommend keeping it for now, then exchanging it later when a new hardware revision is released (if there is one) or better newer batches come out (could be months).

At least you know if you've got burn in issues - Google will replace it without question. This was the specific reason why the increased the warranty from 1 to 2 years.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Nickco43:
Great image. Mine has burn in and I am getting a third device.

I'm about to return it and buy a iPhone X.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] SamuelBegui:
From what I noticed after seeing the display with the grey image were the nav bar being there at the bottom but then disappearing. I saw from a couple reviews that the nav bar buttons do stick but temporarily. After leaving the display on the grey image I no longer noticed any burn ins on the display. That's from my own experience. It appears to go away for me. Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] kotaro_14:
Welp, decided to try again after a month to see if the display issues have been improved. Also, b/c Panda didn't have a month long wait. Doesn't look like LG improved the grey scale at least. The bottom of my phone has a pink hue on white backgrounds and on grey backgrounds the bottom looks completely black. The second image is the S8+ (ignore the dark grey diagonal line, that's just b/c the shutter speed and the onscreen display not syncing correctly), while it's not perfect, it's very good and should be perfectly fine for everyone. The third image with the left phone is obviously the iPhone X and it too has excellent uniformity. Whilst it is a tad darker than on the left, you'd have to out of the way to really notice it. The iPhone X screen to my eyes is the best. The one on the right is the OnePlus 5T and it's honestly the worst b/c of the alternating pattern. Very visible in all scenarios. Was going to RMA, but they wanted me to pay for shipping, so I decided to return it. Otherwise, it had no graininess and blue shift wasn't as extreme as the Pixel 2 XL. If I had gotten a decent unit, I'd have kept it over the Pixel. I really wanted to keep the iPhone X, but I just am not an iPhone person. Also, the screen isn't wide enough, FaceID is a hassle (works really well though), and the notch becomes annoying when trying watch wider aspect ratio videos.

tl;dr

Pixel 2 XL screen still blows. iPhone X is the best then Samsung flagships then OP5T and last is the Pixel 2 XL.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] kotaro_14:
delete. Somehow double posted.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] zetsumeikuro:
What manufacture date is your Pixel? That is really terrible :(.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] kotaro_14:
November 13, so about a month old.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] TokyoGuy:
During the course of its lifespan, I had numerous Nexus 6 devices, some of which were literally brand new, other used. No joke, at least two of the brand new ones had burn-in after less than a day of use. It's possible that some panels are more sensitive than others, or else are just of inferior quality.

It's also possible the issue is far more "normal" than people realize, but 99% of consumers just don't check for it and/or never notice.

It's infuriating to be sure, especially for a brand new product at this price point.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] starche_old:
That's REALLY bad. even OP 5T which is exactly TWICE cheaper has a better screen. I'm not saying - good screen, but for sure better then pixel 2 XL.

That been said - low profile Chinese ODM can afford better screen at twice cheaper price tag and Google - cannot? Not even funny, Google...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] crazykas:
hi everyone, i recently purchase a pixel 2 xl off ebay. I've been reading alot about those screen issues and its scaring me because my country is not supported by google store. So i dont have any warranty support and most importantly i do not wanna send back my device for exchange...So my question is has anyone using their pixel 2 xl without facing those burning issues dead pixel issues? i meant everyone had to send back their devices several time to get a good one??
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Badger50:
Fwiw...I pre ordered mine on release day. Other than the slight blue shift on a white screen, I haven't had any issues at all. Having said that, it does seem to be a bit of a lottery :eek:
[Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Bigmille:
I have had 2 Pixel 2 XL over the last month, both was made on 13.11.17. The 2nd one seems to be an earlier production according the serial number with ascending alphabet, here are my findings:

Both Pixel have blue screen shift around similar angles. The 2nd a bit better as it shifts at a greater angle than 1st one.

Both suffers from lost details of dark scene at low brightness.

Both have something looks like lag when scrolling white text on black background at minimum brightness using night mode on Samsung browser.

I can put up with the above shortcoming with the 1st phone except the random reboots, so RAM that one.

The 2nd phone also had non uniform screen brightness and this fine graininess across whole screen like what you get from apply cheap matte screen protector on white background. This is noticeable when scrolling text on white background. I noticed this straight way on the white setup screen when powering on the phone.

No sure what to do, I don’t want to do another RAM and don’t want to go back to my S8+, as I prefer the smoother software experience. Also not happy with Samsung, as my unlocked S8+ is still on August security patch, which I found unacceptable on a flagship phone from the biggest android manufacturer.

Apart from those lucky few who had minimum screen issues, looks like most Pixel 2XL will have noticeable problems due to Google using cheap/technologically immature screen from LG instead getting last generations screen from samsung. I would been more than happy if the Pixel 2 XL came with same screen as last years S7 edge or Note.

P.S. the coating on the Pixel 2 XL screen seems to be softer as well, had micro scratches on both Pixel after 2 weeks of use when looking under spot light. It is not noticeable when use the phone, but the S8+ screen is looks clear of scratches after 2 months of use.