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[LG V30 Questions & Answers] vi001101106:
The iSines have almost-zero distortion so I'm fine with just the ext-device trick using a regular female-to-male 3.5mm adapter. I don't need them any louder than that.

The P1s were too loud at full-volume on HIM.

However, wider dynamic range with the iSines does pique my interest ...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
Does the external device mode trick work on the V30? I tried it on mine and I don't think it did, but maybe I did it wrong? Refresh my memory, so you plug the headphone cable into male/female adapter (which I do have) and then the phone, and then the other end to the headphones, or.........?? lol Please specify each step.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] vi001101106:
Works on my V30.

Plug the adapter into the phone. Then the headphones into the adapter. Voila.

At least on my end, if Google Assistant isn't activated ext-device mode isn't activated as well...

(The iSines have detachable cables, but those are a hassle to plug/unplug every time you want to use them.)
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
Ok, very cool! I'm gonna test it out later tonight!

Ok so to reconfirm, I plug the one end of the audio cable into the adapter, then the adapter into the phone, THEN the OTHER end of the audio cable into my headphones??

Ok. I just made sure to fully enable Google Assistant. I'll never use it, but it's on. lol

My headphones have a left and right side cable, but I'm guessing as long as I plug them in at the END that it won't matter and it will still work?

Thanks vi!!!!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] vi001101106:
You're only supposed to do two things. Plug the adapter (male side) into the V30 and then plug the headphone cable into the adapter (female side).

The adapter I'm referring to is this one:

[IMG="Adapter"]https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31qcqqlMCjL._SL500_AC_SS350_.jpg[/IMG]
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ouatitw:
If you had V20 how does the sound quality compare with the new V30 - any difference?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
Ok. So I'll just make sure to have the other side of the cable plugged into my headphones before even starting.

Just had a moment to try it out............and it WORKED!!!!! :victory: You ROCK vi!! lol I guess I really don't the 75 ohm adapter after all now. lol Though I may still try it out just to see the difference b/t it and normal and also vs. male/female adapter.

Thanks again vi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] psawjack:
So I'm using MrSpeakers Aeon headphones. Great sounding and super comfortable headphones BTW. They are 13 ohm headphones. When I plug them into the V30 and have the quad DAC setting OFF the sound is loud and powerful. When I turn ON the quad DAC I lose about half volume and lose my bass.

Does this seem right to you folks?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
No, it doesn't jack. That is the complete opposite of what should be happening! lol

I would look into getting a replacement. It sounds like yours is faulty. The AEON headphones btw from what I've read and have been told are like the best headphones you can buy for under $1000 (or slightly higher). Nice!! I got the Meze 99 Classics myself. Incredible headphones that punch way above their price point.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] vi001101106:
I had the V20 six months ago, traded in for US G6.

Having said that, sound-stage feels wider on the V30. The 'Short' digital filter ads to this.

Bass feels tighter, as well. Not punchy, just a bit tighter than the V20. At least with my IEMs, I'm only using the Normal and Enhanced sound presets and not the Bass one. That really muffles the sound.

I'm still playing with both filters and presets to find which ones make either of my IEMs sound best.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
Nice on the expanded soundstage! Did you have the int'l G6 with the Quad DAC or the U.S. version which didn't have it?

Yeah I use the "Enhanced" and "Short" filters myself. I find them to be the best combination with the Poweramp app I use on my V30. Maybe try "Enhanced" out vi and see what u think?

It's nice to hear these comparisons to the V20 as I no longer have the V20 and haven't listened to it since this past January. Thx for sharing. I agree that the Bass one muffles the sound as well.

I am playing the V30 on my Meze 99 Classics headphones, which are 32 ohm-rated btw. Hopefully "Enhanced" sounds better on your IEMs as well, but if not, Normal is great too IMO.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ouatitw:
I am currently a V20 user as my main Music player and quite happy with the performance on my Sennheiser HD 650 which triggers high impedence mode too, i believe its the same DAC in the V30 but with the Plus added which i'm guessing thats because they've added digital filters this time, on audio performance alone would you say its worth an upgrade on V20?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
That's cool. What is "the Plus"?

I don't remember............didn't the V20 have digital filters too?

Well based on what vi has said, and just how powerful the amp is (which I THINK is even stronger than the V20's is??), I would say yes. Having a wide expanded soundstage and tight bass are both quite important to me, so that is a big factor.

And if you ask me if it's worth it for all the other non-audio performance aspects, it's an even bigger YES! lol
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ouatitw:
They have added a "P" at the end of the DAC model No ..................The new V30 and V30+ build on the Hi-Fi Quad DAC first introduced by its predecessor. The new phones feature a 32-bit Advanced Hi-Fi Quad DAC powered by ESS Technology’s SABRE ES9218'P' and offer new customization features to match the sound-quality expectations of the most discerning listeners. Users can now customize the digital filters in the Quad DAC to their specific tastes, and the sound can be further customized with additional user controls.

So i guess the hardwares the same but they are manipulating it with digital filters, i'm unaware if it has a different built in amp though ?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
Oh ok. Very interesting info! Didn't know all that. Thanks for sharing!

Yeah I'm not sure either. But I can say this is BY FAR the loudest smartphone amp I've ever had in my car PERIOD. lol
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] vi001101106:
The more and more I listen, the more I lean towards just leaving it on the Enhanced preset.

(I had a US-spec G6 so I used a Fiio Q1 as an external amp).

As far as I know, this is an upgraded version of the DAC in the V20 with less distortion and added presets and filters.

ouatitw, The 650s will show you it definitely is an upgrade, but not as big as the V20 was in itself.

As I said above, and specially with my iSines, the V30's sound is wider, clarity is superb.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
Yeah I was on the fence about Normal and Enhanced, but after trying them both out on several songs, I felt that Enhanced brought more to the table.

Ahh ok on G6. Yeah I would've done the same thing if I were you (used an external amp/DAC or DAP device).

Less distortion? Really?! Even more GREAT news! lol :good:
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] subguy812:
I know we have beat the Quad dac is functioning properly thing in the T-Mobile variant to death but someone with iem's please leave them plugged in an toggle bewteen on and off (Quad Dac) and report back in any increase in volume.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Tinkerer_:
What kind of adapter is this?

TIA...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] vi001101106:
Definitely an increase in volume and clarity.

---------- Post added at 07:26 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:25 AM ----------

FosPower (4 Inch) 3.5mm Male to 3.5mm Female Auxiliary 4-Conductor TRRS Stereo Audio Extension Cable.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] M5Rahul:
But that’s not an impedance adapter, is it ? ...like this = https://www.amazon.com/Cable-switch...468109&sr=8-6&keywords=impedance+adapter&th=1
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] vi001101106:
No, sir.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] psawjack:
Could someone help a brother out?

I've finally decided to really test out the headphone jack audio and now have some results. It would be great if someone could verify my results.

Here's my setup:

Headphones: MrSpeakers Aeon (13 ohms) and Audioquest Nightowls (25 ohms)

Extension cable to trick DAC: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017SEHZZI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Apps tested: stock LG Music player and Bandcamp

Results:

When Aeon headphones connected directly into V30 and listening to Bandcamp with DAC on: quieter than DAC off

When Aeon headphones connected directly into V30 and listening to LG Music with DAC on: quieter than DAC off

When Aeon headphones connected to phone that has extension cable already connected and listening to Bandcamp with DAC on: similar to DAC off

When Aeon headphones connected to phone that has extension cable already connected and listening to LG Music with DAC on: similar to DAC off

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When Nightowls headphones connected directly into V30 and listening to Bandcamp with DAC on: similar to DAC off

When Nightowls headphones connected directly into V30 and listening to LG Music with DAC on: similar to DAC off

When Nightowls headphones connected to phone that has extension cable already connected and listening to Bandcamp with DAC on: similar to DAC off and louder than direct connecting.

When Nightowls headphones connected to phone that has extension cable already connected and listening to LG Music with DAC on: similar to DAC off and louder than direct connecting.

Other notes: Aeons - bass seems to be weaker while the DAC is on. The soundstage does change from muted full and powerful as I turn OFF the DAC. This sucks because these are my favorite headsets:crying:

Now the trick with the extension cable worked for me on the LG V20 but doesn't seem to be working on the V30.

Ultimately I'd say that the audio from my Sony XZ Premium out of an external HTC11 DAC to 3.5mm sounds better, louder, and quality bass over my LG V30, either straight connected or with the extension cable. I don't remember how the HTC11 sounded out of same DAC ot 3.5mm cable so I can't really comment. Man I wish they left the status output to see what mode that it thinks it's in.

Would anyone with either set of headphones be willing to do the same test and verify what I've found?

Anyone have any advice or recommendations?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
No, but it still does the trick to get you External Device Connected/Aux mode, which is louder than Normal mode.

In order to get High Impedance Mode (aka the LOUDEST mode), you can either use high impedance headphones, or just get an adapter like this one like I did. (I got the 75 ohm one. Someone told me that if you 100+ you MIGHT get some distortion, but that's not confirmed or guaranteed to happen.)
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] psawjack:
Rockstar - I can confirm that you will get the sound boost if you use high impedance HPs.

I continued my testing with an old pair of HPs. (Sony MDR-7) that had higher impedance compared room the ones that I tested earlier, which are specced at 70 ohms. While directly plugged in the DAC On mode was much louder and had great punch when compared to the DAC OFF mode.

I'm not sure what the impedance cutoff is but 70 ohms def triggers the high power.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
jack,

Thanks. Good to have other ppl confirm your results too!

It makes me wonder though.........if 70 ohms is triggering HIM, I wonder what headphones trigger EDD/Aux mode? My 32 ohm Meze 99 Classics for example only trigger Normal mode on their own (this is what I assume as same ohm-rating triggered Normal on the V20). So I just wonder what range triggers EDD/Aux? The adapter is the only way I know how to enable EDD/Aux mode, though honestly b/c I have the T-Mobile version I can't say for sure it's EDD/Aux or HIM. But on the V20, that method always enabled EDD/Aux, so I'm just assuming the same on my V30.

Do you mean the 70-ohm Sony MDR-Z7??
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] psawjack:
This testing made me have a thought.

So V20 had these three modes:

Normal mode - default mode for low impedience IEM or HPs. This was lowest volume setting.

If it detects extremely low impedience like due to extension cable or Aux car connection then would change to Aux mode. This was mid volume setting or same as HIM I can't remember.

If it detects high impedience then it would switch to HIM. This was either highest volume setting or same as Aux mode.

The V30 is different.

It's normal mode is like V30 Aux mode and starts in that. Anything plugged in between ~16 to 70 ohms keeps it in this now normal mode. Plugging in AUX cable does not seem to change it out of normal mode.

If it detects low ~8-16 ohms HPs or IEMs then it switches to IEM mode I'll call it in order to protect the HPs or IEMs. This is in the lowest volume setting.

If it detects high impedience then it goes into HIM. This is now highest volume setting for sure.

In other words we can't trick it into Aux mode anymore because it's in that mode from start ~16-70 ohms.

If low impedience HPs are attached like my 13 ohm Aeons then it's low impedience mode. If my high impedience HPs are attached then I have HIM.

If this is the case then they figured out a stop to our old workaround. If I use my MDR Z7s then I'm golden but when I try my 41 ohm IEMs I would rather use my Sony XZP as the source[emoji848].

Rockstar- they are the MDR-Z7 model
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Lmax579:
Are Beats good on the v30?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] CHH2:
The HIM kicks in at 50 ohms.

They'll probably be about the same as they are anywhere else. There are many better options.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Lmax579:
I ordered some Sennheiser it has 150 ohms
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] CHH2:
I don't think you'll be disappointed. I've got a set of 50 ohms Sennheisers that I picked up on the cheap when I got my V20 and it is night and day.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Lmax579:
They'd what's up..I read up on the beats and I'm not impressed
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
jack,

Very interesting! It seemed like the V30 was louder to me too initially. I like that you were able to figure out the ranges as well! Excellent work! :good:

But if what you're saying is true, then that means my regular male/female cable adapter is already enabling HIM, so that even when I get the 75 ohm adapter back from my cousin prob next month and try it, it will be at the same volume?? I say this b/c w/o my adapter my 32-ohm HPs sound LOUDER when I use the adapter I have now vs. not using it. Unless the 75 ohm one triggers a new 4th and even louder than HIM mode, then it sounds like if what you're saying is true, I can't get any louder than what I'm getting with the adapter I have now. I hope that makes sense. lol Thoughts??

Ok yeah I thought you meant Z7. lol Cool.

I also find your Sony Xperia XZP comment EXTREMELY interesting too b/c I was looking at that phone at the Best Buy near me a couple mos ago. Breathtaking phone btw! Love Sony's phones (I've had 2), and that one in black at BB was like the best looking phone I've ever seen. Had the Z3 and it was incredible though X Performance from last year was overall a let down except for camera. But on Head-Fi someone confirmed for me that if you enable the AHO (Automatic Headphone Optimizer) option that the XZP (and XZ1) actually sounds BETTER than some like $300 DAPs or amp/DAC devices, kinda like how the V30 does too with the Quad DAC enabled. What do you think about that statement? How would u compare the V30's SQ to the XZP's?!

I was seriously looking at the XZ1 since the XZP wasn't T-Mobile VoLTE-certified (which is a deal breaker for me since my area finally got VoLTE 3-4 mos ago), but then I found out that despite some official articles saying the XZ1 WAS to be VoLTE-certified with T-Mo, it appears that's only true for the XZ1 Compact. To get it on the XZ1 you have to flash some specialized US firmware...........meh. lol So I got the T-Mobile locked V30 instead. But man if the XZ1 and/or XZP had been VoLTE-certified with T-Mobile like my unlocked HTC 10 was, I might've gone another way. lol So let me know all you can about your opinion on the XZP's sound quality, and if you enabled AHO or not.

Thanks!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Lmax579:
I got my new headphones with 150 ohms but it's saying external device instead of HIM... what can I do to fix this?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
Wow..............that doesn't confuse things at all! lol
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Lmax579:
What I'm trying to ask is.. Should I return the headphones or they're not the issue at hand?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
I know where you were going with your post. I was just being sarcastic as I have NO clue why you're not getting HIM. lol I'm going to try a few things out on my sister's V30 as her's is Verizon and mine is T-Mobile. I'm hoping it will shed more light on things. Maybe this week? And when I get the 75 ohm adapter back from my cousin, I will report on that too. But it might be a month or so before that happens.

For now, I guess the only thing I would suggest trying is to get a regular female/male adapter cable in the mix and see if that makes any difference? Plug the adapter into the V30 first, then the main cable that's connected to your HPs into the female end of the adapter. If you do this, let us know what happens.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Lmax579:
I'll try to do it... My v30 is at&t I have a sennheiser dj mix 6...can you check on that hp... I love the sound I'm getting but I feel it should be louder
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Lmax579:
Now I got this...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
The Senns HD6 Mix are 150 ohms per Sennheiser, so your original statement was correct.

Ok did you get HIM by doing what I said or something? Please be specific.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Lmax579:
I just disconnected it from the phone and reconnected it them it came on.. Goddamn it sounds sooo gooood lol!!!!!!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
Awesome!

Ok so you DID NOT use the adapter then?

I find the info very interesting that HIM on your phone gives............that it kicks in b/t 50-600 ohms. (hey jack, you seein' this?! lol)
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Lmax579:
No adapter... But the best $149.99 I have spent lol
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
Ok. I guess it was just a fluke before then. But it sounds like everything is in order now!

Very glad to hear that! Enjoy your Senns then! It really is great how strong LG made the amps on these V-series phones. I get so tired of hearing ppl and even HP makers say "Oh this HP is 'mobile', so you don't really need an amp/DAC for it." They need to outlaw that statement. lol It makes the amp and DAC sound unimportant when they're anything but.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Lmax579:
Exactly... I had doubts and I was gonna return the hps but after listening to that sound, I ain't returning ****... Plus I use poweramp to customize the presets
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
Well I'm glad you didn't have to go through all that!

Yeah I use Poweramp too. It's simply the best! I love that it has a 10-band EQ as well because that allowed me to create custom EQs for my Meze 99 Classics, which made them go from very good to phenomenal. I really wish the Poweramp devs out in Russia would hurry the F up though and release Version 3. Getting tired of using this Alpha 704 version I got b/c it doesn't let you install any of the backups you create, even the ones created in this version. They told me via e-mail they were shooting to be done by the end of the year, but who knows if they will. Version 2 came out like Jan 2014. lol
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Lmax579:
Lol,i love that poweramp but it always says it failed to play in hi resolution output...But poweramp has more power than neutron
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] CHH2:
Glad you got it all worked out! I'll have to check those headphones out. I like the ones I've got but they're only 50ohms. I'm a bit intrigued by what happens if I bump that up a bit.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Lmax579:
At 150 ohms,you'll be very happy
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] RockStar2005:
Ok so you're clearly using Alpha 704 (or 703) as well.

Lemme let you in on a little secret Lmax.............that option is BS. lol I tried it for a while and I too experienced the CONSTANT time-outs/failures as well. Very frustrating. But TBH, the only difference I hear when it's on is that it sounds like the music is SLIGHTLY louder. THAT'S IT! I noticed NO apparent difference in quality whatsoever. So just leave it off and go on with your day brother. lol

When Version 3 comes out I'm expecting that it will have NO issues with that feature, so you can turn it on then if you like. But I'm leaving it off. The other issue I have which is much more minor is that when I switch to a new album, the SECOND track I play always reverts back to the last album's album cover. Hitting the Back button then going back into Poweramp fixes that, but it's still annoying.

The ONLY reason I put up with Alpha 704 is b/c of that 1% volume increment feature that the official version doesn't have (yet). It makes such a difference to me personally that I can "fine tune" my volume setting instead of having to jump 5-7% each time I hit the Volume Up or Down button. (In case you don't know what I mean, go to: Settings --> Audio --> Advanced Tweaks --> Volume Levels (Experimental) --> Select "100". I also suggest enabling "Volume Panel" as I prefer its looks to the regular panel.)

Yeah Neutron is a GREAT player too, but I still prefer Poweramp's UI. But if you noticed that Poweramp has more power/volume, then I guess that's another reason to stick with Poweramp then.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Lmax579:
Cool im gonna try that... Do you play your songs as mp3 files?