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[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] D1l777:
Are you able to set up the SSID and security and stuff first, then let it fail at the check, then do your steps and have everything set up or is it an open network with a generic SSID?
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] _slam:
I had to pull the sim to edit those fields, SSID.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] Cowbell_Guy:
What is "soft rebooting" and how do you do it?
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] Cowbell_Guy:
I'm trying to replicate this on the pixel 2 xl.

Not sure why, but I can't get it to work on that device. I wait for it to boot up, and immediately, as soon as I can I dropped the scroll down box from the top and click on the tethering icon. However it then seems to stall for a second and I see the tethering icon flash on and flash off. About three seconds later it gives me the tethering provisioning check. I'm wondering if having a pin is what is holding me back? Everytime I reboot the device, it is asking for a pin. Any other thoughts, if you got it working on the regular pixel too I'm not sure why we can't get it on the XL
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] D1l777:
My guess is it's the pin. It looks like you need to get to the tethering icon and turn it on before the phone has a chance to connect to the network. Try turning off pin unlock and see if you can get to it faster.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] Cowbell_Guy:
Damn. I disabled the PIN check and still no dice. I'm starting to get desperate
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] D1l777:
Damn that sucks. I was hoping to hear other people having success with it before mine came in. Can apps like foxfi still be used? I haven't had to use a third party app in forever.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] Cowbell_Guy:
I e-mailed the guys at FoxFi, waiting for a response.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] D1l777:
Ok cool. Let us know what they tell you if you don't mind.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] robocuff:
What you're doing sounds pretty much like the old phone info trick we used to use years ago. I don't know if it still works or not but it can't hurt to try. Open your dialer and dial *#*#4636#*#*. Then choose phone information. You'll see a line on there that says mobile radio power. Turn it off and then turn on your hotspot. Then go back into the phone information thing and turn the radio back on. Like I said, I don't know if it works anymore but what you're trying to do is pretty much the same thing. Get the hotspot started before the radio starts. Who knows? Maybe this old trick still works.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] GohanBurner:
Sometimes its the stupidest stuff that works. I just tried it thinking there's no way.

You literally just reboot the phone, once on lockscreen swipe down and activate. Worked for me. Wow.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] Cowbell_Guy:
That's awesome. Glad the Pixel 2 has a workaround! Just curious, do you have a PIN or any other kind of provision check?

Neither myself or others can get tethering working on the XL2
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] GohanBurner:
I have a pin and finger print set up. I can confirm that once you unlock the phone it will disable your tethering. So if you want to use it for now until a root method is available, you'll have to be comfortable with not using your phone while tethering.

Edit: Maybe it was fluke, I unlocked the phone and I'm still tethering whereas before it cut out. It didn't turn off, just data stopped working. That's good to know.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] Cowbell_Guy:
Damn, I just can't replicate that on the XL2 for some reason
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] GohanBurner:
Kinda blurry, but its working.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] synplex:
Just Pop your Sim card out and back in while have the tether page open. Once your sim card is back in, activate (turn on) the tethering app within seconds. It may take 1-2 tries but it always worked for me on my Pixel!

Done.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] Chronzy:
Why don't you cheapskates pay for the services you use? This is exactly why providers lock phones down. You're part of the problem.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] cb474:
I don't know. I think if you're paying for a certain amount of data it shouldn't matter whether it's used on your phone or through tethering. To me having a separate fee for tethering is just a scam. It's like when the carriers raised the costs of texts, after they had been getting cheaper for a long time, because they realized people were texting more than using minutes making calls. (I know that's all unlimited now, but there was a time when we paid for these things.) A text is such a tiny amount of data it has to put almost zero strain on the network, yet they were raising the fee just to gouge people.

So I have little sympathy for the carriers. Their business model is to find ways to raise rates and extort people for inferior services, rather than compete on just making the best fastest network and charging simple fees for straightforward blocks of data and the like. This lack of real competition is why in the U.S. we pay almost double what the rest of the developed world pays for the same level of service. Why spend money improving the networks, when you can just get profits gouging people on tethering, because we don't have real competition in the U.S.?
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] Chronzy:
You can't justify stealing just because you think something cost too much. Fundamental flaw in the way you're thinking.

If I think my cable company over charges for my service and I just watch a few channels anyway, can I justify stealing cable?

If I think that shiny new BMW down at the car lot is easily $10K over priced, can I justify sneaking onto the lot at 2am and riding off in it?

If I think the grocery store is upcharging on a jar of peanut butter by at least a cool $0.65, can I justify casually not scanning it at the self checkout?

In almost any other scenario it sounds ridiculous and the answer is no. But because you have "no sympathy" (like anyone does) for this given retailer, you talk yourself into a certain logic that makes you ok with it. Stealing is stealing plain and simple and I frankly don't think this kind of talk should be allowed at XDA. It also makes you look like the enemy to providers. People will curse Verizon for locking down bootloaders, but then all they have to do is point to threads like this one and say "that's why".

*steps down from soapbox*
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] Zimus:
Those are terrible analogies as they involve taking what you want w/o paying for anything. The point you are missing is that users are paying for all of their data, but the provider is putting restrictions on how you can use the data you've already paid for. That's a big difference!

So going back to your analogies:

* You pay for your cable, but your cable provider says you are not allowed to watch cable TV on Tuesdays.

* You buy that BMW but the dealer says you are not allowed to drive your new BMW on the weekends.

* You pay for your peanut butter at the self-checkout and notice a message on your receipt saying you can't use this jar of peanut butter to make peanut butter & jelly sandwiches.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] Chronzy:
Then I know the terms of the deal going in and I have the choice to buy or not <--the only power the consumer really has. The power to walk away from a deal.

"I'm paying for data, why do I have to pay extra to use it a certain way??? Makes no dang sense!!"

This is the point you guys miss: It doesn't matter what does/doesn't make sense to you. You know the terms of the deal going in, and when you attempt to circumvent that's stealing. There's no justification, and all arguments in favor are pretty weak.

Whether you know it or not, you're working against everything XDA has stood for over the years: benign hacking/customization. When that crosses over in to stealing from cell providers, I think you put this whole website at risk.

Think McFly, think!

Another kicker: Not saying this is necessarily the case, but if you're doing this because you're not paying for wifi and intend to to use this as a primary isp for streaming video, gaming online, etc... the extra strain you're putting on the network is part of why they charge so much and probably adds to why they charge for the hotspot feature.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] Chronzy:
Sorry, but TL;DR.... I'm reading between the lines here, but I get the feeling I've changed your mind and you agree with me.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] GohanBurner:
I pay Verizon for cell service, not for complete use of all my phones features. I have to look it up but I do recall the fcc getting involved because if this very issue.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] folsom68:
Yes, Verizon received a fine for violating Block C rules:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/let-my-wi-fi-go-fcc-rules-verizon-cant-charge-for-wi-fi-tethering/
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] GohanBurner:
That's the one!
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] cb474:
Yes, I think you go it. ;)

Actually, I understand your argumet. It is perfectly logical. I just don't agree with the premise of your argument is and think you use the wrong language to frame the issue, which more or less presupposes the point you want to make. And I think you overlook the larger political/regulatory/juridical context that the issue falls into. That is more or less what I was saying in much more specific detail.

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Thanks! Exactly. It is in fact Verizon that has been found to violate the law by trying to charge people for tethering. Let us not forget that the airwaves are a public resource and cell carriers only license their use, from the federal government. The terms of those licenses limit how the airwaves can be used. And the carriers are wholly subject to Federal oversight if they want exclusive (i.e. monopoly) use of specific bands. The carriers are supposed to be acting in the public good, not just for their own profit.

So as the article points out, Verizon violated the FCC regulations that they agreed to when being granted access (for their business purposes) to certain public airwaves.

I also notice that Verizon's current plans have unlimited hotspot anyway, but the cheaper plan limits the speed to 600 kbps (which I wonder if that itself is a violation of the C Block spectrum rules discussed in the article--of course, good luck getting former Verizon lawyer now head of the FCC Ajit Pai to enforce that).

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By the way, more directly related to the topic of the thread. I noticed when setting up the Netguard firewall on my Pixel 2 that one of the processes it showed I could block was named something like "entitlementcheck." I wonder if blocking that with a firewall would effectively solve the entitlement check issue.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] _slam:
Cycle the power, in one process, "restart" with Pixel 2

---------- Post added at 03:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:47 PM ----------

Not sure if it's a different process with the XL.

My process:

Setup

+ Google store Pixel 2 (non-verizon model / not sure if this matters)

+ Old vzw sim / from my moto X pure

+ Pin and finger security enable

+ Set hotspot in shortcuts (swiping down in notification bar, in "quick titles")

Action

0. Phone is currently on

1. Cycle power with "Restart" option

2. Swipe down, for shortcut

3. Click "Hotspot" (shortcut)

4. Unlock phone with pin (required after restart)

-hotspot is enable :good:

This process has been working for me consistently, *note to change the SSID, I had to pull my sim to have access to edit those fields., Hope this helps.

---------- Post added at 03:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:10 PM ----------

This process has been working for me consistently, **note** to change the SSID, I had to pull my sim to have access to edit those fields. Hope this helps.

*Not sure if it's a different process with the XL*

Process: My setup

+ Google Store Pixel 2 (non-verizon model), not sure if this matters.

+ Old vzw sim / from my Moto X Pure

+ Pin and finger security enable

+ Set "Hotspot" in shortcuts (in "quick titles", swiping down in top notification bar)

Actions

0. Phone is currently on

1. Cycle power with "Restart" option

2. Swipe down, for shortcut

3. Click "Hotspot" (shortcut)

4. Unlock phone with pin (required after restart)

+ Hotspot is enable
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] Mootarjim:
tl;dr Sure, they shouldn't be able to charge you to use a feature of your phone, but they don't have to offer you unlimited data plans if they feel like doing so hurts their bottom line. If your plan is to take advantage of a feature meant for use primarily for single device data consumption, and instead use it as a way to avoid having to purchase home internet (but still do all the things you'd normally use a home internet line for, like streaming videos, downloading large files, online gaming, etc), then it's only a matter of time before a mobile data provider looks for ways to shut you down and force you back into their profitable business model. All the soapboxing about freedom and monopolies aside, if you use your tethering for the above (rather than the occasional tether to a wi-fi only tablet or laptop, or during periods of internet outage at your home or business), you're ruining it for everyone else, and you don't care. You feel entitled to have it the way you want it, because you feel it's the way it SHOULD be. Never mind that mobile networks aren't set up to support the volume of data transfer than landline internet networks provide. You REALLY want it, so it should be fine. I think that's the point being made, and it's one I fully support.
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] lraed74:
this is working on my first gen XL, much easier than the popping the sim card out method. I get my XL 2 today and will try it later on that.

I wonder if you can use one of those, 'start up on boot' apps for the hotspot/reboot method?
[Google Pixel 2 Questions & Answers] JarMagic:
Every time?

It looks like you have to do this process every time you want to tether. Is there a way to change the entitlement check so you don't have to restart your phone every time?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] X_man.:
So I have the wireless charging mod and I have several wireless chargers “All the same brand and model” I mostly only use two. The one beside my bed and the one at work. I know this is going to sound crazy but when I use the charger beside my bed and charge to %100 the battery life is not nearly as long. It is enough to be VERY noticeable I have tested and compared like 6 times. Charging on both to 100% and just let the phone sit for an hour and when it is charged by the one beside my bed it drains about 20% faster. Can a charger effect battery life in this way???? :confused:
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] enetec:
Based on my experiences... yes!
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] X_man.:
I've never had that happen till now. I wonder if that particular charger is going bad or something
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Uzephi:
Experiment... swap the chargers? bring the work one home and vice versa? maybe different mains or "dirty mains" could be the culprit? see if the issue follows the charger or area?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] X_man.:
Great idea! I'll do that next week and post what happens.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Uzephi:
Any time. I personally ran into that. It wasn't 20% more like 5% (average 3hr drain on my old Rezound was 2hrs and 45mins when charged from work. It was due to ingress on my work's lines that wasn't there at home. We had little oddities with some PC's until we found the UPS for our server was causing noise on our circuits).
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Some_Donkus:
This is absolutely normal. I build custom vape systems, some on li-poly Batts, some on li-ion. In both cases, charge rate -can- drastically affect charge effectiveness.

Most of this in your case likely has to do with thermal reads. Remember, not only is your phone and charger loaded with chips to be smart and safe about the charge, the battery (and sometimes individual cells within it) are also microchipped. Wireless charging creates a lot of heat. Should any one of the three components recognize this heat as excessive, the voltage will drop. I _believe_ this is most relevant during the end of "saturation" phase during charging, because if the battery says "no" during this phase, or anytime after (during completion/final) , the charger's subsequent "topping-charge" will also be denied. This kind of results in cycle of the charger saying "take it!" , The battery saying "no", dropping the voltage, the charger seeing the drop and expecting it to need a top-off and immediately trying to push again, repeat. The reason you're seeing the difference is because the charger is getting it's numbers from current output from the battery. The battery can drop down to zero current when overheated to prevent thermal rail? From occurring, which the charger then translates " 0 current must mean full".

That's one part of the difference, and not necessarily what is occurring... The other part has to do with manufacturing intent. Most USB 3.1/c power supplies are actually pushing out the maximum amperage and thus has a huge stage-1 charging state, with a minimum stage-2 (saturation) charging state. This basically translates into , your charger and phone are both lying when you rapid charge.

I'm sure I'm missing some facets or misrepresenting them here as I can't remember all the damn physics, but short story is: for absolute saturation, battery life, battery runtime, and safety... Charge at the same rate as battery discharge.

Edit: also what Uzephi mentioned about dirty power is also relevant. When power factors are not near 1.0 (1:1, meaning everything drawn is used, and everything requested is given), bad sh*t happens. This actually relates to the physical wave (sinusoidal) of electricity. All the anomalies are probably listed somewhere by some physicist, but suffice to say, there's a lot of possibilities, none of them "good" when out-of-phase power factors occur. This is why sensitive equipment almost always gets run through a power conditioner. The more sensitive and volatile the system, the more aggressive the conditioner needs to be (hence massive amplifiers for sound systems like the ones I use in my work need $200 glorified power strips).
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] X_man.:
Some very good points! Doesn't seem quite as strange now LOL Thanks!
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] enetec:
[MENTION=8715548]Some_Donkus[/MENTION] than for your complete explanation...

I've found even "about same rate" chargers (measured on phones...) often differs in heating battery: on my old Moto Z, the OnePlus X charger and the Samsung Galaxy Tab one both charged my phone (quite fast...), BUT the first heated it A LOT more, while the second hot A LOT itself!! :confused:

I think it's related to components quality too...

What I don't undestand well is why the Incipio MotoMod battery, which charge the phone at quite low rate, is able to heat it more than fast chargers....!?!? :confused::eek:
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Some_Donkus:
Without knowing the specific charge voltage and stage setup of the individual batteries it's tough to speculate. One thing that comes in mind relates back to the power factors I was speaking of. It might actually be a high quality device that just has a lot of extra MOSFET + capacitors built in. These are used in order to "clean and manage" power on the fly. Capacitors are used to provide extra little bumps of discharge / supply when the battery cells themselves can't necessarily output enough mA/amp in a peak. MOSFETs do the opposite, providing a safe gateway for extra unused power either coming into the device from the battery, or from outside power to charging battery...

Both of these little guys basically are giant heat retainers (MOSFETs actually usually have heatsinks pasted to them, even the micro sized ones used in small devices)....

Just a thought.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] enetec:
Well, it surely could be but two weird things still happen with Incipio battery MOD (and, they say, NOT with the new Turbo Power which do fast charging instead! :eek:):

- the overheat seems to be coming from the phone and not from the battery MOD... :confused:

- the Incipio battery MOD I have adds wireless charging too to the phone. What it's weird is that wireless charging phone (by the same rear connector on the phone) seems to overheat it less than using battery to charge it... (and battery charge rate is a bit lower...). :confused:

I think it could be related from the fact that battery MOD has probably to raise his voltage to charge phone... but strangely this overheats more phone than battery...! :confused:
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Some_Donkus:
Ohhh, I see what you're saying...

Okay well, from what I understand, the Incipio Wireless mod actually charges the phone's battery first, THEN the pack within the mod. By default, magnetic induction (wireless charging method) actually will charge everything and anything within the field simultaneously.. but.. what I assume the incipio mod does is this....

Wireless charger sends out induction wave > (Induction wave charges both internal battery and mod for a moment) > Incipio mod get's a mV current reading from phone's internal battery > If internal phone battery mV current is ≠ 0, Incipio mod uses MOSFET's to gate-drain incoming charge from wireless for X amount of time (and possibly send charge to internal battery via connectors) + > induction wave continues to charge internal phone battery > Incipio takes another mV current reading from phone battery to see if it's full >>>

Cycle continues until Incipio gets mV current reading = 0, at which point it stops using gate-drains and accepts induction wave charge.

^^^ -IF- that's accurate, then it would mean that the Incipio mod is passing it's charge into the phone battery (received from induction wave) at the same time that the internal phone battery is receiving the induction wave from pad... So that internal battery is receiving a shiz-load of joose quickly...

again, pure speculation.... but it would make sense...
[Android Head-Units] Feletroica:
I recently updated my unit to the last firmware and the radio doesnt pick up any signal. The region is setted as mine.

the update is found under the "fr/servicesupport/car-multimedia/telechargements/firmware-updates/" of the blaupunkt page, after searching for part number 1011403902001

anyone has a backup of the older app so i can install/flash it? Titanium backup shows that im running "Radio V1-46-20150721".

any help is welcome. thanks.
[Android Head-Units] sreenidev:
Can you tell me steps to update the unit ? . I have the setup file in pendrive
[Android Head-Units] thwmax:
I have the same problem :(
[Android Head-Units] tunoski:
any solution???
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] samurai-me:
xda-dev.Members!!

I came back.

It is returning commemoration.

WM6.1 CLIMAX_a

Its Japanese ROM!!

Details will be written here tomorrow.!!

It has already opened it to the public on the site in Japan on which I am

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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] hamster0914:
We've been waiting! Good to see you back.

Downloading now. I needed something to do while my wife goes shopping, anyway!! :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] hamster0914:
I can't configure an exchange server, it just blinks and doesn't go anywhere when I click on the set up server link. I'll have to wait for the next version... :(
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] tora201:
To all who live in Japan and hope to use this to access MMS via the softbank network:

MMSLITE (both builds) do not work in this rom. So if you need MMS lite, best to stay with 6.0 for the time being until this problem is solved.