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[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] abogrhen:
In 2020

When you want a new adapter or headset or charger or any usbC accessories then you can just buy the first thing you see in Amazon

BUT now you can't do that most of the usbC accessories don't follow the standard and could damage your device

The only option is to go for oem or certified accessories by oem
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] nightang3l:
Major headphone companies like Beats, V-Moda etc. that have those exchangeable 3.5mm wires make wires that both are male 3.5mm and usb-c.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Amjad.AbdulGhani:
I looked for it, but didn't find.. Do u have an example..?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] nightang3l:
[IMG="Usb c to 3.5mm"]https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/b5c30cd6-a134-49b2-b1e7-e886649a504b_1.b1b5aee1291db489bad6d0c867d29aaa.jpeg?odnWidth=300&odnHeight=300&odnBg=ffffff[/IMG]

Cause I still have a premium functioning headphones that has those exchangeable 3.5mm that I bought 2 years ago. Don't want to shell out another $200+ for a bluetooth version and ending up with 2 headphones. And this way you don't have to carry that small adapter
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Ronlaen:
If I could get a 2.5mm to USB C adapter like the one pictured above that worked with the Pixel 2 XL that would be the best of both worlds. I did some searching but was unable to find any, links?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] chazall1:
You will have one when your device shows up. Their is one included.

https://www.droid-life.com/2017/10/17/pixel-2-unboxing-pixel-2-xl/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] nightang3l:
The image above was found at Walmart. After reading an article about not to buy cheap usb-c, I'm kinda of hesitant to pull the trigger and get this. That's why I was hoping that the major headphone companies would invest making it instead.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Ronlaen:
I'd love to see something like this that can connect directly to my headphones with whatever it needs inline to connect to the Pixel 2. That would essentially solve any problems with existing headphones and would still only have the one cable to the phone.

Guess I can't post links yet but was trying to link NewFantasia Replacement Audio Upgrade Cable for Sennheiser HD598 / HD558 / HD518 Headphones 1.2meters/4feet on Amazon.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] tw1tch175:
HTC U11 and Essential Adapter both confirmed working.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] fletch33:
i have 2 of them from my Moto Z Force and will try them tomorrow. if it works then THESE would work which are Prime and 2 for $8
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] abogrhen:
watch from 2:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sagnX_4Lfew
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Amjad.AbdulGhani:
I have faith in Google's product, it's about waiting for 2 months to get an extra adaptor..
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] abogrhen:
you can wait

for someone to try any 3rd party adapter

and report that it is working

or just order some online from amazon

and if they don't work

return them
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Amjad.AbdulGhani:
As a matter of fact, i bought few from Amazon to try. Don't believe any will work, but will report if any.. ONCE I GET MY PIXEL DELIVERED THIS WEEK
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] abogrhen:
well

this why we have amazon and it great services
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Amjad.AbdulGhani:
So i received like 3 types of usb c to 3.5 from Amazon, most highly sold and rated from what ive seen, price in the range of 7 to 10 usd.. I don't have my pixel 2 xl yet, but tested them on my OG pixel and Note8, and they didn't work, not sure if thats going to change when tested on the new pixel 2, i don't think so, seems like you need a convertor that has the right dac..

Until then, lets hope others here post of any third party that works, again Google's one will always be my first choice, but as inconvenience from google as its, they need 2 months to make them available..
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Jayme Helgerud:
Two best I've found so far schiit fulla and dragonfly.

Schiit: https://www.schiit.com/products/fulla-2

Dragonfly: http://www.audioquest.com/dragonfly-series/

But I'm curious about this pass through option. Could you get sweet quality with an app/driver combo with this?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Amjad.AbdulGhani:
Reporting back.. Got my pixel2 xl, tested all what i bought from Amazon and AliExpress, non worked (Google's original worked though at least).. I ordered a xiaomi usbc to 3.5 from AliExpress and waiting for them to arrive, hopefully they will be an alternative..

Notes: yes i ordered extra original from Google, but delivery is till mid dec.. Also i noted that the volume is definitely higher when compared to note8 or og pixel.. Really better and higher.. Using Google's connector..
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Pretty much the same thing that was happening in the early days of HDMI. Now you can just get just about any cable and you are good. I think you have the timeline about right. Also I think once more P2s are out in the wild you will probably find ones that will have the DACs included more and more and possibly have dual role (Analog/Digital) versions released to cut down on SKU types.

Side thought: Do the iPhone adapters have DACs onboard? If so that might be an option (not a great one but one none the less)
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] abogrhen:
the iphone adapters have DACs onboard

and from my understanding all the android phones are the same (no analog version)

the only problem the older phones have different wiring than the usb audio standard

that what made the problem
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Hmmm I just saw this one.. Thinking of pulling the trigger on it.

https://www.amazon.com/aceyoon-Headphone-Adapter-Braided-Motorola/dp/B075VLDNMC

Edit this one too sounds more promising since there is a question asking specifically if it'll work with the P2.

https://www.amazon.com/Geekria-Head...509144558&sr=1-29&keywords=USB+C+to+3.5mm+htc

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This article here discusses that there were those that did do analog only out via C

https://gtrusted.com/review/69143

The N6P, and both gen Pixels do digital out but not analog.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] tkoreaper:
You guys could get a BT receiver instead and go wireless. The Pixel 2 has aptX-HD so all you'd need is a BT receiver that's compatible with aptX-HD. You can connect your wired headphones and be on your way. You can learn about what aptX-HD is here: https://www.androidauthority.com/aptx-hd-audio-codec-explained-789342/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] abogrhen:
i am fully wireless since 2016 so no problem here

but some people like the wire because of the quality you can get

if you had good amp/dac/headphones
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] tkoreaper:
aptX-HD is supposedly indistinguishable from high resolution audio according to many reviewers.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] abogrhen:
yeah this way i am getting one soon

but "indistinguishable" is the keyword

it doesn't mean there is no loss in quality

for the average person that more than ok (like me) i can't tell

but for some that is not acceptable
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] tkoreaper:
I'm fairly certain that by indistinguishable they mean that it covers the entire range that's perceivable to the human ear... It's definitely better than CD quality for sure and it does 24bit audio rather than the 16bit that regular aptX is limited to.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] bjrmd:
Even if the loss in "quality" was not sonically relevant, the bluetooth DAC/amp may still be a major factor. So impedance, crosstalk, THD etc, are then all dependent on the bluetooth chain. I have an old soundblaster E3 and although it's aptx, the impedance was high, FR curve poor, THD high.

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The aceyoon is just an analog pass through-- I just got one and it's going back to amazon
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] tkoreaper:
They made a lot of changes regarding that kind of thing with aptX-HD.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] bjrmd:
I don't think you understand.

The output going to your headphones/ears depends on the Dac, amplifier of the aptx Bluetooth dongle or iem/combo.

So even if the transmission was lossless a poor Dac/amplifier will produce lousy results.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] tkoreaper:
https://www.ear-studio.com/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] TEK112:
I can't use the factory adapter with my Kingston hyper x headset. It cuts out every second or so. Anyone else?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] bjrmd:
If anyone is interested, I posted some measurements on the Geekria adapter.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Well it's nice that there is at least 1 option for now even if it is a little more pricy than the OEM one.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] DirgeExtinction:
I wonder if the adapter included with Razer's new phone will work with the Pixel 2/XL. Seems like a pretty fine adapter.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Someone in the P2 Accessories thread mentioned the Essential Phone's adaptor worked. Assuming the Razor Phone uses a DAC in the adaptor it should (99.9%) work just fine. Just won't know til the phone is launched.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Voicebox:
What a joke, Google. I assumed the cheaper ones on Amazon would work, but now that the Pixel 2 is out in the wild, it seems like most don't. So we could have gotten a LG V20 3.5mm jack in the Pixel 2 XL and similar in the Pixel 2, and spent nothing additional on headsets. Instead, we have to buy expensive headsets, or get adapters. If I wanted to spend $100 more, I would have spent it to get the 128gb version. Instead I might spend it on adapters or some new headset.

From possibilities posted by people above, only the $14.80 + $4.01 shipping ones seem to work. I'm excluding the things other than adapters that people linked to.

https://www.amazon.com/Geekria-Head...509144558&sr=1-29&keywords=USB+C+to+3.5mm+htc

https://www.amazon.com/Headphone-Adapter-Sprtjoy-Female-Motorola/dp/B06ZY83C3J

https://www.amazon.com/aceyoon-Headphone-Adapter-Braided-Motorola/dp/B075VLDNMC
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Amjad.AbdulGhani:
I added this related thread

https://xdaforums.com/pixel-2-xl/accessories/tested-usb-c-headset-10-t3701601
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] owlmatt:
They have the Google ones in stock.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] digitheatre:
For those interested, just to let know the Fiio K1 dac/amp works with my Pixel2 XL. Sound output much better than the original adapter. Already ordered usb-c to microusb male-male cable since the otg adapter I currently using is quite bulky
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Looks like we have a couple of more options now. Still in the $20 range for now. They seem to mostly be the same and use a Realtek Chip:

BASEVS $17.90 https://www.amazon.com/Basevs-Earph...=1511911610&sr=8-5&keywords=usb+c+3.5mm+pixel

CONMDEX $17.90 https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-CONM...1511911610&sr=8-14&keywords=usb+c+3.5mm+pixel

FARACENT $17.90 https://www.amazon.com/adapter-Fara...1511911783&sr=8-27&keywords=usb+c+3.5mm+pixel

AirsFish $17.90 https://www.amazon.com/Upgrade-Airs...1511911870&sr=8-58&keywords=usb+c+3.5mm+pixel

[MENTION=281070]bjrmd[/MENTION]: Any idea if these are similar to the Geekria ones? I think you stated Geekria used a Realtek chip as well.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] bjrmd:
The geekria uses a Conexant system (not sure which one based on the data I saw).

Thanks for posting the above, I'll order one of the Realteks and test it!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Gungrave223:
I still don't understand how Google went from talking *ish about Apple 1 year to being "brave" the next...I can totally see why they drop the "Don't be evil" moto...cause this was a complete d*ick move on their part smh....All so they can make a couple extra ducks selling adapters
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Awesome! I like the measurements you did with the Geekria one. I look forward to you analysis. I hope it's better than the Google one.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] bjrmd:
https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=74352935&postcount=26
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Ohgami_Ichiro:
I know I read it and referenced it LOL. I remembered you mentioned the Geekria one was not as good as the Google one but ok. I was just wondering if the new Realtek ones would be better than the Google one :P

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OK just gonna make a list of known compatible units:

Google OEM

Essential Phone PH-1 adaptor

Razor Phone Adaptor

HTC U11 https://www.htc.com/us/accessories-b/#!pid=htc-u11&acc=usb-c-digital-to-3-5mm-htc-u11

HTC U11 Ultra Adaptor https://www.htc.com/us/accessories-b/#!pid=htc-u11&acc=usb-c-digital-to-3-5mm-htc-u-ultra

Geekria https://www.amazon.com/Geekria-Headphone-Headphones-Conversion-Compatible/dp/B073Z47PSK/

BASEVS $17.90 https://www.amazon.com/Basevs-Earphone-Convertor-Motorola-more-Upgrade/dp/B077GT9MTD/

CONMDEX $17.90 https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-CONMDEX-Headphone-Amplifier-Samsung/dp/B077GS8G3N/

FARACENT $17.90 https://www.amazon.com/adapter-Faracent-Realtek-Hi-res-output/dp/B077FJH6WT/

AirsFish $17.90 https://www.amazon.com/Upgrade-AirsFish-Headphone-Adapter-Conversion/dp/B077GVVLQZ/

[MENTION=7793432]Amjad.AbdulGhani[/MENTION] Since you're the OP, do you think you can throw these on the 1st post as a quick reference?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] bjrmd:
Tested the HTC dongle
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Jesugandalf:
Any HiFi solution in this thread?

I tried the Hifimedyi solution but it does not seem to work properly.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Amjad.AbdulGhani:
Added and appreciated, will save us lots of time..
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Thanks np. That's what I was hoping for. An easy to see list like the Screen protectors, cases etc. Just helping out how I can.

Edit: This one popped up on the P2 forum: https://hifimediy.com/DACs/ready-made-dacs/Sabre-9018-Type-C-DAC
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Doesn't work properly in what way? The website states they had to update the device due to compatibility issues with 7.x and 8.x.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Jesugandalf:
Sound stops after a few seconds or every song change in headphones, but phone keeps playing the song normally.

It only happens with Android, the DAC works flawlessly under Windows.

Enviado desde mi Pixel 2 XL mediante Tapatalk
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Ohgami_Ichiro:
This is from their site.

UPDATE NOV 2017: We have made a tweak to the latest batch to improve compatibility with Android for this Type-C DAC. This removes the "skipping" issues previously reported with some phones.

UPDATE NOV 2016: Android 6.X and 7X introduced a bug when this DAC is used with some phones (Nexus, Samsung). It works if you put it in Airplane mode. The problem doesn't occur on computers (Macbooks etc).

If the included adaptor with the phone works without issue I'd get ahold of HiFime and see if they'd replace it.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Jesugandalf:
Yes, in the end I had to return it.

Shame, sound was good (when it worked) and size was perfect. Now I'm on the hunt for another DAC which is small and has decent sound, and an usb-c connection (other than Google's, whose sound quality I don't like).
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Here's an Amazon link to the one for the Razor Phone. Says it's THX Certified so don't know what DAC it'd be using.

$20 https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Other-Cable-Phone-Black/dp/B07798HM3H/

Also another Realtek Adapter by LIOOTECH: https://www.amazon.com/Cancelling-External-Universal-LIOOTECH-Essential/dp/B0778QKKFJ/

Also bjrmd added his review of the Realtek adapters: https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=74749702&postcount=104

TL: DR it's pretty much the same as the Google one with a slight variance. The google one might be using an older chip but it's confirmed the Google one is a Realtek DAC as well.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Looks like the Geekria ones have dropped to $15 now. So that's good for us.

Tests on the Razor Adaptor: TL; DR not so good. https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=74815415&postcount=127

More options:

CONMDEX: 21.90 for Silver/19.90 for black. Probably another RealTek one. https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-CONMDEX-Headphone-Amplifier-Samsung/dp/B077GS8G3N/

Airsfish: $40 Yeah it's pricy and looks like it uses the same RealTek Chip the others use. Maybe it's a Place holder price? https://www.amazon.com/adapter-AirsFish-Earphone-Converter-Headphone/dp/B077GVVLQZ/

Buyer Beware on this one:

Maybe they were sending out old ones to get rid of stock but they advertise an "Upgraded Version" with a Realtek Chip: But 2 for $9 sounds ...odd https://www.amazon.com/adapter-Headphone-Adapter-Realtek-Conversion/dp/B077MJY3F4/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] pixelsquish:
I don't want something small that has a short battery life, that needs to be charged and is easy to lose. I have my BT headset for that, and at least that stays in the car most of the time.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] tkoreaper:
Most have a longer battery life than phones do and you can just leave them plugged into your headphones to keep them together. You really have nothing to worry about. Something like this is perfect... [YOUTUBE]1VeggTHQnz4[/YOUTUBE]

https://www.ear-studio.com/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] pixelsquish:
I don't have room in my pockets for anything else. Doesn't work for me.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] lukew5:
I bought a Fiio K1 for my Pixel 2 XL and it doesn't work :(

I couldn't see any mention of the K1 in the thread, wondering if anyone else has tried.

The K1 is confirmed working, it works great with my laptop and PC.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] ritzxda:
Sorry if I've missed something here but why aren't people just buying the one straight from Google which is $9USD? Availability in other countries?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] pixelsquish:
Because the google one produces a thin sounding sound signature that is inferior to other dongles such as those by HTC and Razer. As more come on the market we should discover others.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] ritzxda:
Ah thanks!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] automattic:
FIIO E17K does NOT work. I don't see any reports of Fiio products working on the pixel 2. I don't understand how it worked perfectly on my iPad and iPhone 6 but not on the pixel 2.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] darfbozo:
FiiO BTR1 Works beautifully, requires no extra wires and you can use whatever headphones you like. Perfect for my purposes.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] jonstrong:
No extra wires? Does it connect directly to the USB C port (I thought it had a micro USB connection)? Could the difference in your experience be due to difference in micro USB to C connector?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Ohgami_Ichiro:
More options:

Looks like a few more RealTek ones are starting to make their way out.

Stouch $17.80 https://www.amazon.com/Headphone-Adapter-Stouchi-Reduction-Essential/dp/B0789C7V7L/

amavasion $17.80 https://www.amazon.com/Headphone-Amavasion-Cancelling-External-Essential/dp/B078GLX8ZG/

voihome $21.90 https://www.amazon.com/Headphone-Adapter-Chipset-Voihome-Connector/dp/B078BGDNPR/

Now for something special, an adaptor with a MALE end for things like cars.

Basevs $14.99 https://www.amazon.com/Basevs-Earphone-Adapter-Motorola-more-Upgrade/dp/B0781S4JK8/

Airsfish $20.06 https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-AirsFish-Converter-Headphone-Samsung/dp/B077ZN6PSY/

voihome $14.77 https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Extension-Headphone-Converter-Devices-1-2M/dp/B078685Y1K/

COMNDEX $14.90 https://www.amazon.com/CONMDEX-Universal-Adapter-Chipset-Silver-3-9ft/dp/B078765WRP/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Elcs:
I find the Google adapter to be fairly decent but I am curious about what improvements I could get out of a better one.

I considered the Razer one for a few minutes but 22 quid including post and fees is rich for my taste, especially given Razers dubious build quality over the years.

Looks like it'll be a waiting game for better adapters to arrive for a reasonable price.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Ohgami_Ichiro:
A few more dropped:

More RealTek ones

Belker $17.90 https://www.amazon.com/Headphone-Adapter-Reduction-Chipset，Belker-Microphone/dp/B078HC64CK/

This one is cheaper but not sure. It does say it has a DAC. Parallel World $12.99 https://www.amazon.com/Headphone-Adapter-Parallel-World-Sampling/dp/B078978G8V/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] channi3:
FYI Essential has released their 3.5mm adapters for sale:

https://shop.essential.com/products/audio-adapter?variant=6037592178726

They are confirmed to be working Pixel from an earlier post, so another option for us and has braided cable.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] arvylas:
Anyone have tried the Huawei or Xiaomi ones?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Erjimipey:
Is there anything I can do to charge and use headphones at the same time? I haven't been able to find a splitter with DAC... I'm getting desperate, to be honest...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] dxkernel:
I tried huawei mate 10 pro one , unfortunately not working
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Gana21:
have tried various xiaomi adapters from gearbest, nothing was recognized (pixel 2).
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] arvylas:
I ended up with the fiio Btr1. It's a bit pricier but has great sound + wireless
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] xDark-Moonx:
I bought two of these and can confirm that they work, plus they look like the original one from google for half the price.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-4-Inch-USB-C-to-3-5mm-Headphone-Adapter-for-Type-C-S8-Pixel-2-White/162943966645?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] sr20s13:
damn they are out of stock :(
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] driss.sadok:
:crying: :crying: :crying: Guys it's really frustrating when AMAZON can't ship to Morocco, FEW of them do but really expensive shipping... is there any other product from ALIBABA or GEARBEST ? that would help a lot, thanks.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] emylive:
Is there a cable 2 in 1 USB-C to 3.5mm Audio and charge Adapter exist?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Elcs:
Has someone introduced a USB C to 2.5mm balanced connection yet?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Reanox:
What do you think about this adapter from aliexpress? It states that it has Realteak audio adapter. Sounds promising. Should I try it? :confused:

As I can't post links search on aliexpress: "Upgrade Type-C to 3.5mm Earphone Cable Adapter USB Type C Male to AUX Audio Female Jack For Google Pixel 2 XL HTC U11 Moto Etc."

It's ALLVCOVER brand.

EDIT: I have bought this one. Let's see how its works.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] automattic:
YES!, Sabaj Da3 has balanced 2.5mm and unbalanced 3.5mm and sounds quite spectacular. Unfortunately its quite large.

The sound in more on the Cold side but the detail is unreal and tight bass. Pairs perfectly with my JVC HA-FX850.

Although I'm Not sure how I feel about them with my Sennheiser hd650. Haven't used them it much with them. Those pair nicer with a warmer amp.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] Elcs:
The Sabaj DA3 looks like a full Amp/DAC, not a USB C to 3.5mm/2.5mm dongle.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Accessories] automattic:
Well, all of these listed in this thread are full dac/amps some are just smaller than others?. All you do is plug it into your pixel and it just works out of the box for the sabaj. It looks like as close as your going to get for a balanced 2.5mm dongle. Balanced plugs require extra grounding so it's unlikely to come in a small package like the stock dongle.