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[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] RoccoN4:
Guys. I just tried something. I have the Pixel 2 Launcher and the Pixel 2 live wallpaper on my phone. Notice how the bottom has the white haze where the dock is. If you go into settings and allow for the home screen to rotate, and look at the same wallpaper, the haze on the dock area is gone and the screen is much brighter and sharper. Could that be the issue some are seeing in the stores when comparing to other phones? I think they are not taking into consideration the white haze. It looks like it hazes 3/4 of the screen. Also tried the wallpaper on a different Launcher and it looks much brighter and crisper.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] RoccoN4:
Sorry. Forgot the screenshots
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] perveeus:
Or flip side is that the phone should walk on water because you put some figure to it & it hasn't met your expectations?

All about perception or misplaced expectations.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] quickstang:
I don't think everyone on here is expecting it to walk on water.

I do expect everyone on here to expect it to be a flagship phone. Maybe someone else on here can correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think 99% of the posters here feel they got what they paid for, regardless of what they paid for it.

I don't think these are misplaced expectations.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] haevolution:
My perception was that for $900 I should have a phone with one of the best screens out there not one that is dull, blue shifting, and image retaining.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] perveeus:
It's psychology here: did you actually pay $900 for it?

Then as an early adopter, there will always be pain & more so @ MSRP.

Only Jesus walks on water & can command MSRP IMO.

The P2XL will be net free after all the various promos are applied for me.

For me, if they get it 80% right I am happy.

Just as long as it's usable for basic things, has a great cam & smooth UEx.

IMO - I believe price - & what YOU pay for it - is a driver of these hard line critiques.

If you got it for less, you have more patience for Google's explanation.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] quickstang:
It doesn't matter what he paid. It sounds like he isn't happy with 80% like you are. Neither am I.

In addition for what you want... Basics, good camera & user experience, it seems that you should be happy if they only got it 20% right.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] perveeus:
What else do you need it for?

Everyone act like they need some 'death star' phone & end up just using it for text, watch movies, listen to music, play games.

Stuff that even my free ZTE can do.

But I didn't pay MSRP for it & it sure as heck didn't break my heart if it has hickups.

Moral - price affects how you think. Not actual performance esp. when you don't even have the P2XL - you cancelled - true?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Pappy35:
Net $zero after various promos. Free ZTE's. Please share with us how you get all this free stuff. I wanna free 2XL too!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] robn30:
I'm with the other two posters. If I buy a BMW for $10,000 vice $50,000, I still expect it to be a solid quality car. If it begins to have problems I'm not going to say, "well I only spent 10 grand for a BMW, so it's all good", I'm going to dump the piece of junk and I wouldn't feel that I got my monies worth. The 2XL is supposed to be a flagship device and therefore commands a flagship price tag, like Samsung and Apple. Yet it has a half assed display by all accounts, therefore a cheaper price point would be in line. At a cheaper price point I wouldn't expect flagship quality. Kind of like my Moto X Pure Edition, I paid $489 for it and didn't expect it to be a flagship, but to my surprise it has exceeded my expectations. I cancelled my 2XL order cause I knew the device would have let me down and I wouldn't have felt my $996 was well spent. I'll wait and see how all this plays out, but I believe Google is screwing this up, and they should perform a recall for all those that have issues with their device. Then they should announce that they are going to fix their displays and re-release the 2XL with a better display. This is the only acceptable outcome in my opinion.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Poloasis:
A $200 reduction in 2XL could do it for me. I played with it today again from a freinds who has it. It's a superb device, minus all that screen issue. Google could have had this as the best device ever made from them and perhaps top 2 of this year until S9, which I'm not interested bc lock bootloader.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] realitysconcierge:
The black crush on my 2XL is insane. Turns shadows and dark videos black. I can't watch anything unless I have it on maximum brightness
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Poloasis:
Can we see it?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] onishchuk4:
You can enable immersive mode via adb which will auto hide the bottom nav bar, or both the nav bar and top status icons.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] davidstjohn1:
I completely agree with what you said.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jon198027:
Honestly, if it does have screen burn in most don't keep phone longer then two years and you trade it in two Google for new pixel at that time
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] biggiestuff:
My daughter keeps asking me if I have a filter on my phone when I show her the pictures I took.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Wbroshea:
Anyone see the YouTube video comparing two pixel 2 xls purchased on same day and manufactured on same day. The screens are crazy different. Mines even worse than the bad one in video but if I had the good one I would have zero complaints.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] rsbenedict:
Got a link?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] blcklab:
Sorry. Couldn't delete. See post below
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Wbroshea:
Sorry should have put it in my original post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkW9Ab3QFJw

edit: I should point out, mine looks like the blue color when the camera dips to the right of the phones and it starts at a little more than 5 degrees in all directions. Honestly if I had either of these phones I would probably keep it as I love everything else about it, but definitely would keep it if I had the good screen out of the two.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] blcklab:
So I can see somewhat blue shift at a moderate angle with a predominantly white screen. Browser. Google now etc.

However watching the world series at dinner via DirecTV and Fox sports go app looked great. Two people watching so approximately 45° angles.

Zero noticeable tint. Colors and whites look great.

That's the type of usage I need. So far so good

Now granted I am running the 8.1 beta. But that shouldn't solve a hardware issue. However after initially seen the blue tent when I set up the phone I really just don't see it at all. Now that could be my brain training me but I haven't done anything other than watch some baseball and other videos in addition to the beta download.

I happen to think the phone is great
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] rajnallan:
I have a Samsung galaxy s8+ for the past few months and and I never bothered to look at the screen at an angle. After all the fiasco with pixel 2 XL I looked at my s8+ and the tint is visible very clearly. This is reality...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] stumpy352:
And yet it isn't present on the standard pixel 2, which has a Samsung panel.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jal3223:
I have had similar tint issues with OLED displays at sharp angles but never this severe with only the slightest angle. I mean, I have to actively angle it just so the screen is uniform and not blued out at the top or bottom. If you haven't saw it in action, you really need to check it out before purchasing. Although it does seem there are variances between phones. It reminds me of the cheap screens I have used when I replaced screens for friends via eBay.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Wbroshea:
I look forward to your video of two galaxy s8 pluses side by side showing a significant difference in their color shift and the angles at which it occurs. I presume you have evidence that the galaxy s8 plus panels are widely different even when manufactured on the same day. Otherwise your “this is realty” comment isn't really reality then is it.

Funniest thing is, even if you have proof it wouldn’t convince me to keep the phone, it would just convince me to not buy phones with oled screens yet.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] BrokenWall:
So my RMA is shipped, sadly they didn't overnight it like I requested, they sent it via 2day, even when I had to put the funds on hold for an advanced replacment.

So I have switched back to using my V20 until this is all sorted out. I picked the P2XL back up and used it for a bit and my screen issues were gone. So I put a Youtube video on for about 30 minutes and then noticed that the issue reappeared again and it was even worse. It appears my defect wasn't noticeable until the screen was used for long period of times at a higher brightness (50+%).

Looks like I will be testing the new device the same way when it arrives Tuesday.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] sn0warmy:
PMed you. Curious how this Navbar Apps app prevents screen burn-in. I'd like to do anything I can to prevent this screen burn-in with my phone arriving early next week.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] LordGrahf:
Just compared mine to the smaller S8 and was surprised the S8 has the same blue shift issue. Honestly I haven't noticed this problem on either phone before reading about it recently because I don't look at the screens at an angle.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] turbo23:
I received my Nexus 6 replacements yesterday, Note 8 for her and S8+ for me. The blue shift at angle viewing is very slight. It is totally a nonissue. I took a little saturation out of the color, a sweet screen! I'm so glad I cancelled my Pixel2XL order(s) and moved on. Playing the screen lottery with a rushed to market device was just asking for buyers remorse. It's so sad.

Sent with Tapatalk on a Samsung Galaxy 8+
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] underscore_overscore:
True, I've been using my 2 XL for over a day and I haven't noticed any blue shift during my regular usage including putting on my desk or in car phone holder for navigation.

I was half prepared to not like the screen when I received it due to all the reported issues so I checked it out with full gray, white and black backgrounds in a dark room, all showed up fine. There's a blue shift at off angle viewing and it's a personal decision as to whether it's a hindrance in each person's daily usage. It wasn't for me. That's not to say that there might not be issues down the road which is why the extension of warranty basically sealed it for me.

In fact I like the display and deep blacks. Even the wife looked impressed comparing it to her iPhone 7 plus, though not yet tempted to switch to Android just yet.

It looks like few issues going on, 1) LG display production processes are not cranking out displays with a consistent grade. 2) Google QC is sleeping on the job.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Wbroshea:
Unfortunately based on what I have seen in videos and on my own phone, I believe that your points one and two are much more the issue than your personal choice comment.

I bet most would be fine with the angles shown on the good display in the video I linked, I know I would be. My guess is most who are saying things like it’s reality or it doesn’t bother them probably got lucky with a good screen and assume that all the screens are like theirs and those sending them back are silly for this issue bothering them. Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to be true with the screens varying widely. That’s why mine went back. If I could be guaranteed the good screen in the video I would reorder today but I’m not interested in paying $900 to play a screen lottery.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dazz87:
I was finally able to XL in person at bestbuy today. The blue tint is a bit too much for me. Even with a minor shift of the phone the tint were there. I dont know if I could live with that. The color looks great to me. I cant believe people were reporting that the screen is dull.......Yeah its dull compare to those Samsung phones cause those phones are in torch mode (Ugly) .

Hey Google if you are trying to sell these phone at bestbuy why do you lock the phone down with this stupid Pixel demo.... Phone is useless with this on!!!! Asked one of the worker to disable it and they were not able to.....Smh @ Google.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] davidstjohn1:
http://pocketnow.com/2017/10/28/black-and-white-pixel-2-xl-shipments
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] whyme45125:
Mine has officially shipped, 128 GB black/white. I'll have it Tuesday 1day before it was scheduled to ship :good:
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] JeffBea:
Maybe the guy at Best Buy's was a idiot.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] RickCain:
After having a Pixel 2 XL for several days the screen is pretty darn good - this is after coming from a Note 8. Is it as good as a GS8/8+/Note 8? No but still is a pleasant display. The blue tint will at an angle is real but nothing that changes my opinion of the device.

If Google can do something with the nav bar to either make it transparent or auto-hide, this is a VERY good device.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] onishchuk4:
You can already make it auto hide. Super easy. Done via adb.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] RickCain:
Did that but doesn't work on all of the apps - mainly messaging. Really hoping for an official solution from Google ;)
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] onishchuk4:
You sure? I use textra and it auto hides there too. Auto hides on everything as far as I have seen.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] davidstjohn1:
Ask yourself this question though can you deal with a lower brightness level if they make the adjustments in the software? Their plans are to soften the navbar keys and auto hide them. Plus they're going to lower the brightness from 400 nits down to 350 the display is already barely able to be displayed in the Sun. I don't think they should lower the brightness that's all I'm saying.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dazz87:
actually it was not a regular bestbuy worker......This dude had a different shirt....i think he isfrom google cause the Pixel XL was on a table with other google products (GH and GH mini)
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] RickCain:
Not really looking to have the display lowered from where it is right now....
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] rsbenedict:
I'm currently loving the phone, have minimal blue tint, and find it quite bright and realistic colors. I have Adaptive display set (which I haven't done in a long time) and is mostly set to 50% brightness and it's pretty good. The screen really shines outside for me. The colors become more vibrant somehow. Very happy with my purchase and glad I decided to judge for myself instead of relying on youtube reviews. My Manufacture date is October 18.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] robn30:
I have a really hard time seeing how so many folks are happy with this device. I just came out of Best Buy and I'm seriously disappointed with the Pixel 2 XL. Screen isn't bright as it is now, and yes I turned off adaptive brightness and all that garbage. If Google plans to remove 50 more nits, it's complete garbage. The speakers aren't even as loud as my MXPE! The Galaxy S8+ display destroys the Pixel 2 XL, it's not even close, and I even turned the Galaxy display to basic. I believe that puts it in sRGB mode, and it still smoked the Pixel 2 XL by a long shot. Sad thing is I believe the Pixel 2 XL they had was decent. Had blue shift for sure but it wasn't crazy bad. Just looking at the two displays, it's easy to see how much better the Galaxy is. The Pixel makes me think $500 phone and the Galaxy makes me think, this thing is expensive, just look how awesome this screen looks. I'm done, no way I'm paying $996 out the door for this turd. Walking into Best Buy and seeing it and comparing it to the Galaxy S8+ sealed the fact that I wouldn't touch that thing ever again. Google missed the mark big time, they should be ashamed, it's not even a competition. So sad.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] rsbenedict:
Just saw a few videos comparing Galaxy S8 screens with Pixel 2 XL and it's obvious that the Galaxy has a better screen, is more saturated, and brighter, but if you turn on Cinema mode (which is the closest to "real" colors on the Samsung),. the screen is much closer in color.

When you go to BestBuy and compare all the TVs together, there are some that stand out and some that stand out for all the bad reasons, but if you're not comparing them side-by-side, many people wouldn't notice a difference.

And no one really compares to Samsung screens and even the Pixel 2 screen made my Samsung doesn't compare to Samsung's own screens.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dazz87:
I went back to Bestbuy to pick up a usb mouse and checked out the Pixel XL again. This is my second time today looking at it. I was there about 5 hours ago looking at the same phone and now this showed up on the phone wasnt there earlier today......Dont know if this is burn in Or IR.........Hopefully its IR kinda scary.......

[IMG="pic"]https://i.imgur.com/78oaDUn.jpg[/IMG]
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] onishchuk4:
Not trying to go off on a tangent, but the TVs at best buy, etc are calibrated so they aren't a realistic representation out of the box.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] davidstjohn1:
My sentiments exactly I agree with everything you said I returned mine I was very disappointed add the screen burn-in and it's a very poor excuse for a flagship phone in my opinion everybody has a different opinion but I look at the small things like that. 50 nits lower is unacceptable.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] rsbenedict:
I get that, but the point I was trying to make, is you don't notice how different the screen is unless you're comparing it side-by-side to another.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] rsbenedict:
I keep checking for burn in and/or retention and haven't noticed any (it's been two days and I use the Nav Bar App with a constant color). I did notice the burn-in with my original Pixel XL, but only when I looked for it. I would have never noticed it if I weren't looking for it.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] onishchuk4:
Yeah understand that. This phone definitely doesn't attribute any of its strengths the the screen. More a weakness but I'm gonna keep it and just do a warranty exchange. The only reason I went for it is that they gave me $400 for my XL.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] robn30:
Then Google shouldn't be charging the premium that they are, period. These phones should be in the $600 range, not over $900. It's so obvious the quality difference between the Samsung and Pixel, it doesn't take an expert to see it, it's smacking you in the face. The Galaxy camera is also very good and it has wireless charging. Unfortunately, I don't like touch wiz. If I could get pure Android on a Galaxy that would be what I would choose. Google isn't even in the running any longer.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] rsbenedict:
Yes, between the $410 for my XL, the $325 T-Mobile Rebate and $100 T-Mobile promo, I'm getting this phone for less than $200. Can't beat that, and as I've said, I' pretty happy with it, including the screen.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] atomsmasher80:
Pure Android on a Galaxy device would indeed be amazing. I would love to have the buttery smooth experience we get with nexus and pixel devices on a Note 8. On that note, I never understand the Samsung fanboys who talk about how the note 8 is considerably faster than a pixel. It is faster, but I could care less about an app opening a microsecond sooner on the note 8, what I care about is the smoothness of the OS, which even the latest note 8 doesn't compare to my original pixel xl. I kinda envy the apple folks, I can't stand ios but at least Apple knows the value of quality hardware & software experience.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] robn30:
Very well said on all accounts. I'm right there with you. I can say the Pixel 2 XL is snappy and fast. It's just the Touch Wiz crap that I don't love on the Galaxy. I had the GS4 and immediately rooted it and did away with Touch Wiz. Not so sure rooting these new Samsung devices is even possible. I do like how you can infinitely adjust the Galaxy display to your liking. Tons of maneuverability within the display menu. It's really a beautiful device, far and away above the Pixel, but I would still choose Pixel if it weren't for the terrible low quality display.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] onishchuk4:
I had this same conversation the other day with a friend. Samsungs choice in using TW over stock or something close to stock like how oxygen OS is, must be arrogance or something. They make amazing hardware. Why O why do they need a dumb skin plus all these gimmicky extras!? Seriously, they could save some serious coin and sell a butt ton more phones in the process if they stuck close to a stock/pure experience.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] rsbenedict:
Or do it like Motorolla, where the underlying OS is Pure Android and they add their tweaks on top of that as separate apps. That would also allow for faster updates.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] robn30:
Yes, that is what I love about my MXPE. Pure Android with Moto apps. It's really a great phone. Probably the last really great one they put out that's not Verizon locked. I'm on Verizon so I need something comparable and preferably unlocked. Moto pretty much sucks now that Lenovo has got a hold of them. Google was what I was hoping for to keep it unlocked and with good quick updates. Hopefully Google is listening and gets or right with the Pixel 3.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] skip24ftlb:
I've got to agree. The stock android on the Motorola X style with a few Moto enhancements has been the best android experience to date. Will certainly miss the phone knowing I'm driving and reading my text messages and being able to reply and answer phone without touching it
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Cowbell_Guy:
Is it best to leave adaptive display on or off?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jrg67:
Anyone that has a 2XL with a "good" display, how's the black smearing issue? At low brightness, it really is noticable. I did a compare next to my 6P and it was night and day difference. Also, at normal brightness, my screen is hard to look at, it's like uncomfortable and looks like something isn't tuned right with white balance and contrast. I use auto brightness with it set to 50% on the slider. The only way I can make it more comfortable to view is with night light. My 6P obviously doesn't have this issue with the same settings. I am really debating on whether or not I want to RMA mine or just return then purchase again in a couple months hoping all the issues will be worked out. I really do like everything else about the phone and the battery life is unbelievable. I'm curious on how the software updates will look as well but I will be out of the grace period to return by the time that happens. The only thing I'm going to miss out on by returning is the home mini which I planned on selling anyway so it was like a $50 discount. I'm thinking with holidays coming up, there will be deals and I won't have to waste my time selling something. Either way, this one has to go back, I just can't decide which route to go.

I know I'll get all the 2XL haters saying return it and get a Samsung but I have no interest in Samsung so please spare me. I got this phone for the software, camera and front speakers. I do like the style and not bothered by the "bezels".

Edit: my manufacturing date is October 12th