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[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] EeZeEpEe:
The navigation buttons turn grey when a keyboard is up and/or it's been a little while since they've been tapped. Their way of dimming and trying to prevent it.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mademan420:
With Google, you wont get another update until 8.1 beta DP2. To get the monthly security updates, you will need to be running the latest stable release.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] blcklab:
Thanks. Maybe I'll revert back even though it wipes my phone. Sounds like there are features not included in the beta.

If it's just colors though I don't really care.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mademan420:
I think the colors are the most obvious in the update, but there are other fixes in this update including some BT fixes. I saw an article earlier that list them but cant find it right now. This one does mention BT though. https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/6/16616132/google-screen-color-clicking-saturation-update

UPDATE: Here are the other fixes listed https://www.androidauthority.com/november-2017-android-security-patch-pixel-nexus-812811/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] fixxxer0:
this makes my issue with the pink spot / non uniform display crazy noticable.

combine this setting with night mode the bottom of the screen goes from blue to pink, even looking dead on.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] meboy:
Apologist

Google has a history of handing out buggy software and you should know it.

Comparatively more so than many others.

There is definitely something to be said about being slightly behind the curve.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] biggiestuff:
Man I wish someone could confirm some of those BT fixes with their headsets before I go wiping my phone. It doesn't just wipe my phone but my watch to.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] meboy:
Google doesn't offer exchanges.

You can return for any reason at any time within your return window.

If you are dealing with tech support trying to tell them there is a hardware issue, that might be your problem.

Just create a new contact with regular CS and say you want to return it. (No need to give a reason)

---------- Post added at 07:12 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:03 AM ----------

Exactly!

Just return the damn things (any product).

Don't fall into their fix it trickery..
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] NWTSCL:
Strange that Google isn't offering this update on their "Factory Images" or Full OTA Images pages. The only one there is Sep 17, which the phone shipped with.

https://developers.google.com/android/images
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Krusej23:
Old phone on the left, new RMA replacement phone on the right. Screens at full brightness and on the same white image I found on Google. Looks like the blue tint is worse on my new phone. Manufactured date of Oct. 25th. Both are still on the Sept security patch since I haven't received the Nov patch yet on either. Going to see if Google will replace this new one now because the blue is more noticeable on this new one.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] saunupe1911:
Yep sure does. I'm settling for the Boosted setting.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jccspeed:
guys every oled has blue shift for some reason its just overly publicized on the news. Grab an s8 and grab a pixel 2 xl and grab an iphone x, they all have blue shift. its slighty more noticable on random units for the pixel xl 2 but also some s8s have worse blue shift so dont worry about it so much. If it wasnt so publicized most people would never even notice it
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] thacounty:
Mine is FARRR worse than my Pixel XL
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] GuyInDogSuit:
I heard that the screen has an issue with burn-in. How bad is it?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] d3funct:
My OnePlus 3 is very high quality you are tripping. I haven't had a single issue with it and it's OLED panel is fine . No problems no weird colors...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] brooklynchildxbc:
I've had my phone for a few days and the only issue i really have is the blue tint but it's only a problem when i'm actively looking for it when i'm just using my phone as normal i don't notice it. i don't have burn in but do have image retention it goes away and is only a problem when looking for it. Color is much better with new update. The blue tint is present on the iPhone x i was looking at it in the store and it's more on the purple side but there when viewing at angles so it's not just this phone. Also my phone is even when looking a gray background no blotches or anything.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mezman:
Comparison of my Pixel 2 XL compared to my Nexus 6p. Pixel is noticably more blue, both in person and in pictures.

I absolutely love everything else about the phone. It makes me sad.

Trying to decide what I want to do. Maybe regular Pixel 2...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] cwalker0906:
Pixel looks white and 6p is yellow lol
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] EeZeEpEe:
Actually I would say the Pixel looks blue and the 6P looks yellow. Neither look white. LOL. I just put a tissue next to the pic for comparison.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] cwalker0906:
Lol
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] DeathBoT:
They did an advanced replacement? Did you have to pay anything for that?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Krusej23:
Didn't pay anything, it's just a warranty RMA replacement. It was replaced because the screen would flash when the screen would lock.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] NWTSCL:
Google seems to be very inconsistent with this. They wanted to put a hold on my credit card to make an exchange.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] EeZeEpEe:
I think they did that with my Nexus 5X replacement. It's just a hold. Never had any actual kind of charge.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Linwood.Ferguson:
I had a few minutes today and played around with a colorimeter. I understand people have found the color space not to be adequately wide, but I think that issue is misplaced for (most) photographers. Whether sRGB or a wider space, most of what we see is well inside the boundaries, and it is more about representing those accurately than how far off in the less usual colors you can see. Please do not misunderstand -- accurate and complete coverage are both important, but I think accuracy inside the sRGB space is the most important -- sRGB since 99% of the web remains sRGB, and accuracy because green faces look bad.

I started doing the whole MacBeth chart (lots of colors used for building camera profiles) but that's too much info I think to easily digest, so I settled for this question -- for a grey card image, how close does it come? In particular, how close does it come in displaying a real photo of a grey card compared to a calibrated photo monitor.

The short version is -- pretty darn close straight on. I took a image of a grey card and displayed on my monitor and also on the phone. I manually adjusted the phone intensity so that the measured intensity was the same brightness, roughly. Then I measured the color response. VERY close. The measurements are in the photo but basically both came up a bit cool, but were within 30 degrees of each other, which to the eye is completely an invisible difference.

Now of somewhat more depressing, I tilted the colorimeter to 45 degrees and it went from slightly cool at 7500 to over 10k. Wildly blue. But we know that.

This was with colors at "normal".

So I'm sticking with my assessment that Google had it right -- if you want a natural, accurate display of photos, it does pretty darn well (with the caveats that you hold it straight on and you don't push the edges of the color spaces (I did not try to measure the overall response)).

[IMG="White Balance Accuracy"]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-npfrZSd/0/31dbcc66/O/i-npfrZSd.jpg[/IMG]
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Pecata:
Have you noticed uniformity issues while on white? For eample on mine-towards the top half of the screen the hites look more wampinksh) than the bottom. I am not liking that at all.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Pecata:
Have you noticed uniformity issues while on white? For example on mine-towards the top half of the screen the whites look more pinkish than the bottom. I am not liking that at all.

Here is a pic
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] oneandroidnut:
is their a way to compare to like the original pixel and the note 8 etc?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] BoboBrazil:
Phone seems to be sold out on google store now. Maybe there will be better qa on the next batch.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Linwood.Ferguson:
I don't have either one, but anyone who is a serious photographer probably has a colorimeter for their computer monitor. Ideally you want to be able to generate expected colors and measure, so you can measure the real response, but I did not have android software to do so, so I just measured one color (white since it's a combination of each color in balance, and a good test of fidelity generally).

I do think there's a wide variation in what people expect of a cell phone -- photo realism is often not it. So I get that people are disappointed. My monitors at home are really accurate, but are not as striking and interesting as those who turn brightness and saturation way up for gaming. Realism is a bit boring, in so many ways. ;)
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] JeffBea:
My replacement phone I received 2 days ago started doing this today.

I ordered a new phone and I'm cancelling this order before my 15 days are up which is this Friday. I just want a damn phone that works. SMH.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] onishchuk4:
Just got my first RMA in. Haven't turned it on yet. Mfg. date is October 17th. Original one was mfg'd on the the 10th. Lets see if one week makes any difference.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] kotaro_14:
Yup, my second unit has a pink tint on the bottom right.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] kotaro_14:
Just got my 2nd replacement and... while grey uniformity has improved... There is now this circlular imprint on the device... Does LG/Google even QC these properly? Might just return the phone. Such a shame.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] davidstjohn1:
All these problems I cannot believe that they're even letting these phones go out this is crazy you never see this from any other manufacturer and it's an LG thing to up the warranty to 2 years considering this is an LG phone... That doesn't fix the problem or problems!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] haevolution:
This is almost comical how bad LG/Google QC is. I should unsubscribe from this thread as I returned my device long ago but this is entertaining to say the least.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] a103:
Some new issues with PIXEL 2 XL screen.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/11/08/pixel-2-xl-screens-flashing-locking-unlocking/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] onishchuk4:
Boom. Just got my first RMA. Build date is the 17th. The old was was made on the 10th. Don't believe the lies from Google about the blue shift. It's real and it's a defect or at the least lack of quality control. Take a look at the provided pictures. It's even more obvious in person. The new one nowhere near as blue as the old one. Also, I took some pictures with my 4/3rds camera comparing both the new and old 2XL and my wifes iPhone X. You can EASILY pick out the one with the blue shift. Also, the display on the new one doesn't look grainy like the old one. I took the RMA gamble and it paid off.

New one is on the right. Both have brightness set to 55%. Both have adaptive brightness turned off. Both on September patch.

All 3 phones compared. New, old, iphone X
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] saunupe1911:
Fellas I just return my Google Mini to Best Buy stupid store due to me canceling their preorder. So played with the iPhone X. It does have blueshift but it's very mild. It's colors are extremely accurate but still vibrant. Perfect balance. Apple truly did a great job, but the lack of home button is absolute deal breaker because I'm a power users and extreme multitasker. I constantly switch between apps in split seconds at times. It's impossible to do that with the X. I can see a lot of car accidents happening because of that phone. Next the Note 8. Man those colors are way too saturated....Geez. And the phone had extreme blueshift that was equal to the Pixel 2 XL. It's just masked by the color saturation. It's exactly like our color saturation mode except it's even more reddish. In conclusion, none of the phones are perfect. The all have issues IMO but the iPhone X definitely has the best screen in the best business by a large margin. Too bad it's running iOS smh
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Krusej23:
I have a hold on my credit card until my old phone gets back to them which it did today. They sent a new one and then I just had to send the old one back when I got the new one. Much easier than most companies I have worked with.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] saunupe1911:
dupe post
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Krusej23:
I have not noticed that at all, at least yet.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] onishchuk4:
Try again.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] saunupe1911:
Well actually I wanted to point out that your pics didn't load but you fixed them so its an irrelevant point now:good:

I don't know man your new Pixel is pretty close to that first one. Just a shade lighter in the blue
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] onishchuk4:
No, take a look at the last picture where all 3 are across. It's obvious which one has the most blue showing in it. Like I said, in person it's even more obvious. I had my wife look at the two of them without me telling her which is which. She immediately picked out the old one as the worse looking screen.

Also, look at the last pic where just the two of them are side-by-side. Super obvious.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] GhostRider5666:
I got mine yesterday and I barely notice blue shift and have no problems as of now. Also the front facing speakers are also balanced unlike my Nexus 6P. Build Date is the 22th?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jr_mfn_p:
I just got the update they pushed out for color saturation. It seems to have helped with the blue tint (which wasn't bad on my phone to begin with). The new saturation mode should appease most people. Its not Samsung level but you can tell a difference. After about a week of use I'm used to just the boosted option though.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] hakaida:
I got my 2 XL a few days ago and the blue shift is really bad. I have a few friends with the 2 XL and theirs aren't bad at all. I got google to do a replacement, but how many times will google send me a new phone if I'm unhappy? I feel like a bad consumer since I knew that this might happen, but I had hoped to get a decent screen like the ones that I've seen. My friends said they would have returned my phone too.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] shadowcore:
dont worry. Ur paying top price for that. If google/lg think that you are q bad consumer, all they will do is give you a refund and refuse to do business with you. Or they will refuse the RMA process.

This is a 1 grand phone. If they ship phones with issues, only RMAs will teach them a lesson.

Maybe next year, they will use some of their money to pay their QC team properly or maybe ship some jobs back to europe/america.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] hakaida:
Yeah when I had bootloop issues with multiple nexus 6 phones I should have bought another phone after it happened a second time (I had 4 bad phones total in the end), but I kept taking refurbs over and over and stuck with the nexus because I didn't pay that much for it.

This phone is the most I've ever spent on a phone and everyone should be happy with it. With the low sales numbers, google should have priced the pixel line cheaper than the galaxy line until they built up a following then raised prices to flagship pricing. I agree that google needs to learn a lesson for partnering with a company that has never had a good reputation for OLED screens and had bootloop issues for years. I hope HTC steps up next year and puts out a great phone next year, but for now, I will accept a phone with decent blue shift, but not one with horrible blue shift like the one I got.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] smallsmx301:
The Nexus 6 was a $750 device. 100 less than this one. Don't make it seem like it was ok because the 6 was a cheap phone.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Ceros007:
LG vs HTC. Seriously, how bad can LG be at making phone.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] skip24ftlb:
The pixel 2 is really standing out as an unfinished beta product imho.

The problems just keep coming. Screen issues galore, mic issues.

Soc co-processor not enabled....

Really not good enough Google.

This will be my first Google phone, but I'm getting to the point of dreading it arriving.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Bwyan Benton:
And your buying it because???? You feel like giving them your money?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] hakaida:
I paid over $950 for the pixel 2 XL so it seems like a bigger difference than what I paid for the nexus 6 and there were less good phone options imho at the time. I had to rma the nexus 6 multiple times when I probably should have just bought another phone and took the hit financially. I had bootloop issues and the screen also had severe burn in and the best problem was the phone shutting down every time the battery reached 20%. The 6P was light years better than the 6. I wish I liked this pixel 2 xl as much as I liked the 6p.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] skip24ftlb:
Its on my upgrade Mr patchy patch. But I'm getting seriously dubious about this particular upgrade or should I say downgrade.....!!!!

If my carrier still did Motorola handsets, I'd have been seriously looking at Moto again.. My 2015 Moto X style has been faultless..

Still Nokia 9 ain't too far away.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] saxelfur:
Man, that sucks. I'm really putting a lot of hope into this phone. Could you maybe post a side-by-side shot with your P1XL? Thanks!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] th3discodancer:
+1 on if you could do a side by side comparison of the screen and the speakers too. Thanks.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] davidstjohn1:
I didn't think they were going to start shipping until October 19th how did you get your phone early?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dkotoric:
Mine is arriving tomorrow and I will do I comparison with my Galaxy S8+ and post some pics
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] nimrodiny:
Full reviews + official first impression videos are now live!! My YouTube feed is exploding.

Just watched MKBHD's unboxing and he's super impressed.

As for screen quality, if you're not impressed with this beauty - I'm not sure what else will have you impressed.

Screen grab from MKBHD's unboxing showing the screen - https://ibb.co/jvPQbR
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Krusej23:
This video shows you the difference between the two screens during the unboxing of the Pixel 2 and 2 XL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-wiVkzyOKU
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] eep2378:
From AP review, side-by-side shot of 2 XL and V30. Looks like the 2XL is using an improved P-OLED panel.

Left: Pixel 2 XL

Right: LG V30
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mademan420:
I was just reading this and was about to post it with a screenshot, but you beat me to it.:good::silly:
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] nimrodiny:
Well, just watched/read tons of reviews and I can say this - most reviewers see the blue hue issue and some of them also mention the fact that colors feel a bit washed out, especially compared to the smaller Pixel 2 or Sammy's offerings. HOWEVER, the only reviewer I saw complaining about uniformity is Ars Technica, AGAIN. So, I'm really starting to believe someone's doing this on purpose to Ron Amadeo. LMAO.

In any case, they all agree that this ISN'T a deal breaker unless you're a screen-coloring fanatic, which some people might be, and the positives outweigh the negatives. It's an easy purchase for me.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] proof2006:
The Guardian seems impressed, "Pressing the power button reveals an elongated 18:9 ratio 6in QHD+ display, which looks great, matching the vibrancy and black levels of the top-end Samsung S8"
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mkouk:
I've read the reviews on the Verge and Android Police and both reviews were positive on the screen. AP went as far to compare them side by side to the V30...but then I read the review on Ars Technica and got depressed again https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/10/google-pixel-2-xl-review/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] iamjimmy:
Just spend some extended time on Verizon store and compared the Pixel 1 XL and Pixel 2 XL. I also own a Pixel 1 XL but that has color tweaks and different resolution so did NOT compare to that.

Pixel 2 XL is blazing fast. I'd say faster than Pixel 1 XL in terms of scrolling, speed of animation etc.

However, the screen is MOST definitely weaker. The Pixel 2 XL screen is fine by it's own. But as soon as I start comparing with Pixel 1 XL, it falls short.

I opened up youtube videos, several articles on white web page and Articles on the Economist app in black background. Also loaded several websites.

In every single case, the Pixel 1 XL had sharper text, deeper blacks and generally more impressive colors. I watched some tennis videos on youtube and the Pixel 1 XL definitely had overall better feel.

So IMO the Pixel 2 XL display is fine as is. But if you start comparing to Samsung or even the Pixel 1 XL, it definitely falls short. A very nice phone otherwise. And super fast. But Google definitely dropped the ball on the screen. I can't decide whether to upgrade from the XL. Debating on cancelling my order..
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Gilley:
I am getting my new V30 tomorrow so we will see if the camera is better than the one I have now, seems to be really blurry. Pixel XL 2 will be here Monday/Tuesday so I will see which one to go with from there.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] SlimJ87D:
Verge Review:

https://tinyurl.com/yb4d2mtu

They said it doesn't have the same issue as the V30 but isn't nice as a Samsung.

Again, I think this is a personal preference kind of thing. If you prefer saturated screens, the Samsungs will do that for you.

I wonder if we can modify the color profile since it is a OLED. If someone wants more saturation, then maybe unlocking the bootloader and flashing a different color profile will change that.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mafatbhai:
Took two photos with Samsung Note 8 and Pixel XL 2 and then took the photo of how they are rendered on the respective screens with Pixel XL camera.

Pixel XL 2 has some weird blotches that shows up on the photo taken while rendering on the phone screen screen itself is fine. No lines or blotches.

Not sure someone else has noticed that too
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] SlimJ87D:
It's nearly impossible to tell using a phone camera and taking a picture of another screen.

It's best to wait for GSMArena's review. They do a thorough screen test.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] juicemane141997:
After watching a series of tech YouTubers do their unboxing and initial impressions it amazes me that nobody is mentioning how washed out the screen is. I really am contemplating returning the device. Paying over 900 dollars I don't understand how Google allowed this. Does anyone else this this issue?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] obsanity:
This is what I'm talking about. It makes me feel much better about that panel as I have two XL on order :)
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] cecho:
Android Central was pretty pointed on the display in their review.