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[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] meboy:
You're wrong. It is a hardware issue.

If they are setting them for what they think should end up at 100% sRGB and they are actually ranging from coming close to (looks like) at least 20% off, then it's definitely hardware.

But sure. Settings to control the colours individually would help a lot.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mrhumble1:
Um, I'm glad you like yours but in no way is a +$900 phone a "throw-away" device and I don't think many who buy it now are going to replace it in just a year.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] huskerkate:
are you seeing any "black smear" problems like what was just reported on 9to5 Google? https://9to5google.com/2017/10/23/pixel-2-xls-poled-black-smear/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] blackhartct:
Nope. Again it seems like all of these are review units.... Just saying how many people with retail units are complaining?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] biggiestuff:
I was reading the navbar apps and from what I read it's not the navigation buttons that are getting burned in. It's the lack of screen use on the navigation bar that is causing the appearance of the buttons being burned in. Because the bar is typically black it's not getting as much use as the rest of the screen. You can see in the picture where the navigation buttons are, it's the same color as the upper portion of the screen where as the bar itself is a different color. Navbar apps helps to color the navigation bar in order to make sure that part of the screen gets more usage as being black all the time means that portion of the screen is off.

[IMG="Pixel XL 2 display"]https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/1-1-1-980x653.jpg[/IMG]
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] RiffyDivine:
A lot of users will, a large enough group of users that even at this price is a year or so before replaced with the newest model, it's why tmob does that jump service.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] BrokenWall:
If you watch the video MKHD did on his review of the P2XL (https://youtu.be/KvNis_A6UaI?t=619) linked to the time where he talks about the display.

he points out Google actually set sRGB for the entire OS, but App developers themselves can actually program the device to trigger full DCI-P3 Color Gamut for their app. He did mention the only Google App that supports this is the Camera Viewfinder.

There is a part where he loads a webpage in Google Chrome and Firefox to show the different and while there is no change for Chrome, Firefox is able to show a much wider color gamut.

More detailed explanation: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/77gm3r/android_oreo_color_gamuts_and_pixel_2_explained/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] sdelcegno:
I'm personally replacing it in a year I had the 6p then pixel XL now pixel xl2. I'm sure not everyone does.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] EeZeEpEe:
After months or a year yes, but in only a week? People have been saying it's just screen retention and not true burn in anyways. I'm on an old Note II cause my 5X died on me a 2nd time so I obviously see true burn in on this 5 year old device.

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Most common grey screen I would think is Google Now page which makes it pretty easy to see. I've seen burn in on the Galaxy S3, S5, Note 2, 3, 4, and Moto X. It's very common on AMOLED. The main surprise is it's too soon for the Pixel 2 XL to be having true burn in.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Toothdock:
This is a nice situation I am in now.

My Nexus 6P has completely bricked itself and shuts down randomly.

I'm on Fi so it's really Pixel or switch carriers.

I've ordered a Pixel 2 XL 128 getting here tomorrow that apparently is going to have the worst screen of any phone ever according to the internet right now.

So I can either switch carriers AND phones OR use a dying phone or a $1150 phone that has a bad screen within a week of release

Random other vent: Had to send back the home mini because they bricked its main button within a week.

Thank you Google!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Badger50:
Good times right there bro! :eek:
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Itachisasuke:
I'm in a similar boat man. I'm not highly confident on how much longer my 5X is gonna last so I preordered the 2 XL as a replacement but now since its 2 XLageddon I'm a little worried. Maybe I just scoop up a Motorola G5s or something that I can bootloader unlock and root and surf it out till next year's Pixels to see if they course correct.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] underscore_overscore:
It's great that you're having a good experience with your Pixel 2 XL and I hope I do with mine too. But it surely is NOT a throw away device for "most of us". I do not know anyone who considers a $1000 device throw-away. Even folks who earn much more than me, their reaction to when they heard I'd ordered the Pixel 2 XL was "doesn't that start at $850? Man, that's expensive, are you sure about it for a phone?"

This exactly! The Pixel 2 XL is my first flagship phone purchase in a looong time and all this displaygate stuff has really killed it. Its scheduled to ship today, so hopefully i'll get it this week to see for myself. I usually keep my phones for a few years, so now i'm wondering that if the screen turns out OK on my unit on initial usage, with all these issues being reported would it last the 3-4 years I plan on using it - warranty is only for 1 year, and what after that?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] blcklab:
I'm not trying to disregard these issues. However I saw some S8 users claim burn in within the first week of use as well.

My 2 XL should ship tomorrow. Gonna just try and enjoy it. I really liked the one in the Verizon store. Going to go back today and check for any of these issues including burn in, smear and noise
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] clnzx2:
I think all these screen issues are being waaaay overhyped. Yes the colors are dull if you compare them to an oversaturated display and yes there is some blue shift. In real world use, neither of these has been an issue for me. I have handed the phone to an iPhone 8 user and a Galaxy S7 user and the first thing they both said was how great the display looked. I would just wait until you have the phone and decide for yourself.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Toothdock:
Yeah I'm not worried about the colors or blue shift......It appears those are both consequences of things google engineered into the phone which means that it was intended to be as such.

I'm worried about the more serious issues with the screen like it being grainy or burning in. Some of the pictures of blur have looked insanely bad.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] blackhartct:
I'm just gonna leave this here. This is honestly the best statement on the screen "issues"... Tldr... It's all hype an unless the burn in issue is really bad ( in which case Google will probably be in trouble)

https://www.reviewgeek.com/351/whats-up-with-the-pixel-screens-the-facts-and-the-bs/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] blcklab:
Went to the VZW I've stopped by a couple times. They have 3 pixel 2s and 1 pixel 2 XL. Granted I think the demo mode almost works like a screensaver. But they've have it since launch. Also I notice wallpaper is transparent so there are notification icons and navigation icons but no color bar. Background image fills that

No burn in. No high pitch or ticking. Beautiful display. Of course I calibrate my TV too instead of best buy showroom brightness.

I hope mine is as nice when it arrives.

[IMG="screen"]http://i67.tinypic.com/jqrpq9.jpg[/IMG]
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] huskerkate:
thanks for that. for those that don't want to read the whole thing, it can basically be summarized as follows: IF the image retention eventually evolves into actual burn in, that is an issue to be aware of and addressed. otherwise, peeps need to take a deep breath and chill the f**k out...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] JeffBea:
My Pixel 2 XL shipping tomorrow on the 25th. I'm not canceling it. I don't care if some jack ass reports the batteries are blowing up, I'm not canceling the dang order. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Apple or Samsung are flaming the fires on these lame ass reasons not to get the Pixel 2. It reminds me of the Trump / Russian scandal. Turned out to be a big nothing. I know if the is something wrong with the phone I would bet my next paycheck that Google will make things right.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] FormeriPhoney:
Best response I ever heard in all my years on XDA LMAO
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dbrohrer:
Ok... Apple is not flaming anything. The Pixels are a tiny dot on the map to them. They could care less. I doubt Samsung is flaming anything. Although they have propped up their own products with fake reviews and forum posts in the past. I'm not touching Trump / Russia... The most likely culprits are all of the Android / tech sites that are putting up the articles talking about the issues. They are making money off of the drama and panic via Ad revenue. Notice how some sites have posted about the issues in one article? Then look at sites like AndroidCentral, BGR, etc. They post new articles about issues every day. There is no real data to back up anything that is said. They are trying to generate clicks to make money.

If you want the phone, you should get it. However it would be ignorant to assume with such confidence that Google will fix the issues (if they are as bad as the internet is making them out to be). Google does not have a great track record with fixing big issues on their Nexus / Pixel phones.

I think anyone interested to should order the Pixel 2 / 2 XL and try it out. Give it an honest go. If it's not up to snuff, then send it back to Google during the return window. That way you get to see for yourself and use it they way you use a phone. If it's not good enough then Google will pay the ultimate per unit price. Shipping both ways and a used phone with no cost to you. The more people do that, the more refurb phones hit the market in 6 months.

Ultimately I chose to return the 2 XL. It was a tough decision but it was the right one for me. However, regular Pixel 2 is the best phone I've ever used and I'm 100% keeping it. I've owned the Nexus 4, 5, 6, 5x, 6p, Pixel, Pixel XL, iPhone 6s, 7, and a couple LGs here and there. The Pixel 2 is so much better than all of them.

Good luck.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] huskerkate:
I tend to agree with your assessment that some of these sites are tending to sensationalize the issues and create hysteria where a simple "be on the lookout for" or "something to consider" would suffice. i also agree with your recommendation to get the device in hand (which i will in a couple days) and see for yourself - there's no substitute for that.

i'm curious, though, as to why the 2XL wasn't for you -- did you encounter any of the issues that are being discussed, or was it something else that caused you to go in a different direction??
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jimv1983:
If you are having audio issues during recording you probably have a faulty unit. I'd have it swapped out. From what I've seen/heard the audio quality when recording video is pretty good. Better than the iPhone 8 Plus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mp5Y3UTWH8
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Cowbell_Guy:
How are you guys testing your phone for burn in?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] stuff:
Yes, mine was not burn in and was simply retention. It went away if I put something as fullscreen for a few minutes.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] whyme45125:
agreed lmao smh
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dbrohrer:
It came down to preference really. I liked both phones. Each had one aspect that kept the phone from being my perfect phone. The regular 2 bezels were a bummer and the the XL screen was just meh overall. The blue tint off axis was there, but it didn't bother me. The sRGB color was fine. I think oversaturation on Samsung devices is stupid, but the Pixel 2 XL reds were a little drab. Reports of burn in spooked me a little.

I typically like smaller phones. I don't watch a lot of videos and I treasure the ability to pocket my phone with ease. I thought that the looks, the larger screen, and the battery would warrant the $200 price difference. But the battery on both of these phones has blown my Pixel 1 and Pixel 1 XL out of the water. Standby drain is fantastic. My gym workouts (1-1.5 hr constant heart rate tracking and spotify streaming) went from 20-25% drain on the Pixel 1 XL to 5-7% drain on the regular Pixel 2! Closer to 4% drain on the 2 XL(I only used it at the gym one day though). So if battery is great on either phone, the only measurable difference now is device aesthetics and screen. Considering the quality of the panel is arguably better on the 5", the $200 price increase didn't make sense for me. The regular Pixel 2 also feels really comfortable in my hand. No one is going to see my Pixel 2 and think I spent a bunch of money, and that's OK. This thing is the old looking sleeper that rolls up next to you at the stoplight and smokes you when the light turns green. Both phones are so smooth and fast.

Apologies for the long post.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] eep2378:
More technical discussion regarding the display....

https://plus.google.com/+supercurioFrancoisSimond/posts/8feW5GMgGgt
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] huskerkate:
Thanks, I appreciate the insight into your decision. I generally prefer larger phones, because I have big hands and long fingers. The 6P was kind of the sweet spot for me, and the 2XL is almost identical in size. It felt really good in-hand when I played with it at a VZW store. I'm with you on the screen colors - I really don't like the oversaturated colors on a lot of the screens these days -- it just seems almost "cartoonish" to me. When I looked at the 2XL, it was before all of the display-gate reports broke, and I didn't really notice anything off about the colors. Now that all the reports have come out, I'll be looking at it more closely. The "meh" feeling you got isn't encouraging, but I'll see how I feel. Plus, in light of all the complaints and uproar, I'm betting Googs will enable more drastic color adjustments. THe burn in is concerning, as well, and I will be keeping a close eye on that.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Poloasis:
I want to re-order the 2 XL so bad after cancelling it. I'm gona give it 4 weeks to see if they can sell all current batch and see if the next batch are better. So come on guys order the 2 XL, get 4 if possible, one for each member of the family lol.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dbrohrer:
Happy to help. Seeing your comments and comparing my experience with the 2 XL, I would guess that you will be very happy with it. In some ways it does seem like a 2017 Nexus 6p. Except you can really see the effort that Google put into the OS optimization which really sets them apart from other phones out right now.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] cwalker0906:
So I got my phone on the 18th , two of my co-workers got theirs this week, one from Verizon, and one from Google. Even straight on my whites look blue compared to theirs. On a angle there is a color shift on theirs but it is minimal compared to mine. Reds also look different on mine compared to theirs. Their two phones compared to each other are the same. It is only mine that has the blue and it stands out compared to theirs. Again I got mine on the first batch....time to warranty this unit. Maybe it was only the first batches as mine is very noticeably different
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] oneandroidnut:
I have awful blue tint too. Move the phone barely in any direction it's like boom blue screen! So disappointed
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Deathrowy2k:
Please correct me if am wrong but doesn't this phone have no nav bar and is just floating nav buttons? So how can you have nav bar burn in on a phone with no nav bar?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] cwalker0906:
Well according to the thread posted on here, Google claimed it was only the first batch, and what I have seen it looks like it may be true
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] gaw316:
So wait, have we established the blue tint ( and by extension, possibly the screen burn) is due to a faulty first batch?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] ProAm500:
Interesting. Can you post a link, cause I think I missed that.

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Even though most of his reply is highly debatable, I got a laugh out of it too.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Crosserson:
My 6P replacement XL that is a month old also has burn in.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] cwalker0906:
It was on the Reddit link posted earlier in this thread
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] huskerkate:
those definitely sound like RMAs. hopefully it is limited to the first batch and review units (since mine is shipping tomorrow).

I don't think that has been established. Blue tint when viewed off axis, and image retention, are just a consequence of the POLED screen. However, the extent of the tint, and whether the image retention amounts to true burn in, could be because of QC issues with the review/early batches.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] cwalker0906:
On my co-workers I wouldn't even call it blue, barely noticeable, mine however.....whole other story lol
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] JeffBea:
May not be possible, could you post a picture of the three phone's on a table lined up in a row at a angle. Would maybe easy some people's minds that indeed first batch was bad.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] onishchuk4:
Same here. Mine is right at the 1 month mark and I can clearly make out the nav bar cutoff line if I pull up a solid background. Does it bother me? Not in the least. Of course, the phone was free so that would definitely be a giant factor in my impartiality. I'll hold my reservation until I have the phone in-hand tomorrow. If it has several of the glaring issues that have surfaced over the last few days, then I will send it back to where it came from. I paid $1k+ for mine so at that price point, the phone should be near flawless or it's annoyances be minor, very minor. I do think a lot of leans on one's perception so we will see.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] cwalker0906:
I'm not at work anymore, will try tomorrow, got a 4th getting the phone too but his don't ship till next week

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Just got on help from settings to get a new device. I'm number 12 in line lol
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] oneandroidnut:
Mine looks just like hers at 5:40

https://youtu.be/0JjbMT_x6CM
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] obsanity:
I got my phone in today... Honestly, I don't know what all these people are talking about. Either I got a great batch unit or there is something else.

The screen is exactly the same as my Nexus 6P besides difference in colors. No significant graininess. Side by side they have the same amount if you look real close (I'm near sighted).

Same goes for this blue shift everyone is talking about. It looks just about the same as my N6P. There may be a bit more blue on P2XL and more green tint on N6P but same amount of color shift. I've seen the videos and it looked bad. My phone is not even close to that.

Obviously no burn in because it's brand new but I bet I won't get any since I'm using Navbar Apps to color the usually black navigation bar. See pic
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] oneandroidnut:
Alright guys so new theory all these screen issues and I received mine today to find a godly amount of blue tint unless it was perfectly straight in line with your sight line. Also looks grainy and washed out. So my theory is this, Samsung couldn't manufacturer enough screens for demand. What I mean by that is they are making for s8 models, note 8 and the iPhone for crying out loud. Then throw the baby pixel 2 into the mix they are producing tons of panels. The XL is just too much for them and Apple probably has more money for more panels so Google got the short straw. That's what my latest theory is. Curious to see what your guys opinions are on this topic!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] biggiestuff:
Samsung didn't make the XL 2 panels. LG did
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] rsbenedict:
That's what he's saying. Samsung was overextended and therefore Google used LG.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] cwalker0906:
Just exchanged it, it ships tomorrow
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] wooddale:
Just got my phone today I have old eyes but I can't see what everyone is talking about. Maybe a little grain but no blue tint where would I see blue tint. Not being a smart ass.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] rsbenedict:
Supposedly when you tilt the phone from front to back or side from side. When you're looking at the phone straight on, there is no color shift, but when you tilt it any bit off of straight on, the color shifts to blue hues.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] gaw316:
For those not seeing the blue tint, try turning off adaptive brightness and checking on a white background. I noticed it right out of the box, and to be honest.... It doesn't really bother me. The burn in seems to be subsiding actually now that I'm in immersive mode, but I can still see it when I crank up the brightness. IDK... Just irks me that after less than a week I got burn in (I'm talking like 3 freaking days)... If I had known I'd have thrown it on immersive mode the minute I got the phone.

Honestly, burn in is an inevitability with AMOLED displays... But not THIS soon. I hope that this brings direct attention to the fact that Google should consider updating the OS to become completely gesture controlled... Much like the upcoming iPhone X will be. It's pretty much the only reason I root my phone... To change the nav bar height to zero and install lmt
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] therealisttruest:
Still waiting on my XL but from using one at Verizon this is what I did. Look straight on.....then rotate ever so slightly left or right. If you have the tint it should show. I found it to be subtle and really a non-issue honestly.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] wooddale:
Ok thanks guys I see it now I guess it doesn't really bother me that much but like everyone says should be perfect for the money. The pictures don't look as clear as they should for the money either lol. Anyone herd anything from Google on the subject other than there looking into it. Thanks Again
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] js042507:
OMG. Some phone panels have had this so called "blue tint issue" for a long time. I don't really understand the problem? Even AMOLED panels have had this. I have my Pixel 2 XL now and yes, I see this tint or whatever. However, it also depends on the ambient lighting to see this effect greatly. For instance, tilt the phone under a florescent light vs say the sun! You will notice the blue much less under the sun and more under florescent lighting. You will notice it the most in the dark. LOL. Honestly, my screen is absolutely beautiful. I love the natural color reproduction and the blue tint looks fine to me. Plus, how often are you looking at your phone on an angle? This is just how some LED panels are made. Now, if my screen looks blue dead on, then there is a HW defect.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] rajnallan:
Funny but true. I have a Samsung galaxy S8+. I tilted the screenfrom vertical position to Horizantal and also turned it sideways - I can see the blue color. I have a Nexus 6 Motorola and that also has the blue coloration. I am sure no one bothered to look at this with microscopic eye till Verge pointed out first. My daughter has an iPhone 7+ and i will check that also. But that does not have an OLED screen.... I have not cancelled my order for Pixel 2 XL Panda.