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[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] huskerkate:
I was referring to the guy whose post you quoted in your original response. I can't tell if that guy was making a statement about his own experience with viewing angles, or if he was quoting someone else about viewing angles. Either way, whoever made the statement about viewing angles doesn't know how to approximate degrees of angles, and that is disturbing...

As to your point, you kind of hit the nail on the head. Right now, all of the reports we are getting are with respect to reviewer and pre-production devices, not retail devices. The people that have been receiving retail, production devices are seemingly reporting much fewer instances of problems (it's all anecdotal, of course). It's for that reason that I'm suggesting that you not cancel your pre-order (that, and the inherent risk of relying on the reporting of someone who apparently flunked high school geometry), get your device, set it up, use it, and see if there are any problems. If there are, RMA it and get another device. If that one has problems, too, you can either keep RMAing until you get a good one, or just return the device and move onto something else....
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Shawheim:
Just got my P2XL today. Set it up and synced everything about an hour ago. No screen issues to report other than the supposed "blue shift". Yes I see it on an all white screen, but I see it on my PXL as well. Hopefully the other issues stay away.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] blcklab:
Same with mine. And I think another person has mentioned it to. I did not receive any shipping information. Reached out by a chat and they need to escalate it.

I'm wondering if they are not shipping some devices while they sort this out. I suppose it's possible it's a supply issue however I ordered on the 5th. They have pretty good Supply Chain management there.

I jumped on this to get the $360 trade in on my current pixel however I might just cancel the order. I will say I have checked out several display units at local Verizon retailers and none of them have exhibited the issues brought up here. They look like wonderful devices
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] eep2378:
Not sure if this has been mentioned here yet....

http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/1...l-2-2-xl-vibrant-oreo-colorizer-apk-download/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] whyme45125:
Agreed! Send em all back and force Google to make them all right whether it's changing screens, playing with software or whatever it may be. They don't seem to be tested or gone through QC very well or both. The more I think about it, I really have my heart set on P2XL's software, camera, pure android and google assistant experience. So I'll just keep sending them back til I get a good one or til P3XL is out. I'd personally be embarassed if this happened on my watch. Google needs to address the public or at least the owners and pre-orderers.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Bxrider117:
https://www.droid-life.com/2017/10/25/video-google-pixel-2-pixel-2-xl-review/

Here is a review from Kellen at Droid Life. He address the screen on the 2xl at about the 10:30 mark. I'll let you judge for yourself.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] huskerkate:
Someone who doesn't understand basic, high school geometry?! Yes, I would look rather skeptically at any opinion they offer. More to the point, if he can't describe the viewing angle, then how do we know that the blue tint he saw wasn't just because of the inherent nature of OLED panels?? If he was looking at it at 0 degrees (which is probably what he meant by 90 degrees), then yes, there will be blue tint - there will be tint in any OLED panel. If he was looking at it from between 45-90 degrees and saw severe tint, then that's a problem. If he's seeing blue tint from 25-45 degrees, then, personally, I think that comes down to what each individual user can tolerate. The ultimate point is that we don't know what angle he was viewing the device or how severe the tint was - and if we don't know those things, then why use that person's "opinion" as a basis for cancelling your pre-order?! That's why I suggest getting the device for yourself.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] homerunbm33:
Thanks for this. Works well!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] whyme45125:
Lol I was private and home schooled never took geometry does my opinion mean less to you now? SMH I am getting the device but will RMA to my hearts desire until I get an acceptable one

IF

mine isn't to begin with or until P3XL comes out.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] robn30:
I know, pure Android is the best. It's one of the best features of my MXPE. Was really looking forward to Android 8 and 3 years of updates, but not at the current price and with the poor display.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] huskerkate:
Uh, yeah, actually - neither you nor the guy(s) you quoted know anything about geometry, but we're supposed to put some stock in his/their/your reported "viewing angles"???...........that, and you've never held the device, so you don't have a basis for offering an opinion on it....
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Toothdock:
What are the advantages (if any?) of doing an RMA and hoping for a lesser blue shifting phone vs return and waiting for this to clear up to repurchase?

A lot of us seem in this situation now.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] ProAm500:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/78rfv4/got_my_replacement_xl2_today_ama/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jtwlbz:
You guys still dont get it. Srgb mode is on ok that’s good. Some peeps prefer that like myself. The problem is even if its on srgb mode, the color is not right specially red. The screen lacks red. Please go watch Erica’s review on youtube. Thats the big problem. Its not calibrated right.

For me there is another big problem that audio quality when record video is horrible with bad noise cancellation. Also crappy feel of vibrator is another issue. It feels cheap...

Overall this 2 xl feels just about $500 nexus phone to me.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] rsbenedict:
When watching comparison videos of the two cameras and sound, Pixel sounded a ton better than the iPhone 8.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] huskerkate:
The advantage would be that you would be ensured to get another device right away, and not run the risk of the device being sold out like it was last year. The potential risk is that your RMA device might be from the same batches, and waiting for later might give Google time to solve the problem. Personally, I would RMA - what do you have to lose? If it doesn't work out, then you just return it, get a refund, and move on to some other device...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] whyme45125:
First of all how would you know what I've seen and haven't? I'm in here to see if there's more or less people here observing the same issues as I saw in person, 3 different ones at 2 different verizon stores, one locally and the other an hour and a half away. I'm not impressed with the screen, phone looks and feels great except that blue and possible burn in within a week? FWIW I Develop air handling controls and on-board diagnostic algorithms for an auto manufacturer. I know math, just didn't take geometry in private or home school. But hey if you wanna live your life judging others based on ones knowledge from highschool go right ahead. Have a great evening sir.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Az Biker:
Honestly,

I don't understand all the energy being put into the what if, and how's this, and should I do this (or the petty bickering either, but that's another topic).....

My 2 XL should be delivered Thursday or Friday.

When I get it, this is what I'm going to do:

set it up,

play with it,

listen to the speakers,

take some pics (view them at diff angles (not sure if I'll use mils or degrees, but they will be angles)

play a few graphic intensive games,

Try to root if something becomes available.

Here comes the best part:

THEN, I will make a decision to keep it, wait for a software update, wait for a new batch to get built and the problems to go away then RMA it, or I'll return it and ride my 6P running Pure Nexus for a while longer.

Giving and reading other's reviews are good insight, but If you are worried by all the "bad reviews" you are reading about the display, the sound, the blue tint; either wait until YOUR device shows up and follow my handy dandy do-it-yourself decision guide, or hit the local cell store and play with one for 5-10 minutes.

DO NOT let someone else's observations make your decisions for you, add your own observation first.

You'd never marry someone because of a review, why buy a $1,000 device that way? Check that stuff out on your own! (that wicked logic is FREE)

And above all, interact with each other respectfully and with the intent of being helpful. The rude, bickering, and insults really are unnecessary. Be helpful or be silent.

Yes, I'll be posting a review once I've gone through my 2 XL, but please, add to your own experience before making your decisions.

Peace :D
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] quickstang:
I tried the above with my wife, but I'm having a hard time RMA'ing her.

Oh, you were talking about the phone [emoji3]

Man, I haven't seen a post by you in ages.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] EeZeEpEe:
That's something good cause it sucks that it records in mono.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Dan37tz:
Is there a live video of him showing the angles? Not saying he did but still photos can be manipulated.

Hard for me to believe there isn't any color shift unless I see it on video. Even my latest and greatest Super AMOLED S8+ has color shift at angles.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Az Biker:
Hahaha! I'll keep my wife, I wouldn't be able to handle a new one if I RMA'd her! The shipping alone would kill!

I'm on the 6P running Pure Nexus, plus pulling Mod duty all over.

Good to see old friends who are still at it on Xda.

You getting a 2 XL too?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] ProAm500:
I haven't seen one, but someone else asked for him to post one.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] onishchuk4:
I don't think he's right unless I did something wrong... I put on a pair of polarized sunglasses and I didn't see any differences. Am I supposed to try this while I'm outdoors? Cus indoors made no difference. Then again, he worked his polarizer indoors so...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] quickstang:
Yeah, I'm going to keep mine as well. Don't think anyone else would put up with my crap.

Same here, but never did root the 6P.

Yes, I was but canceled the day it was supposed to ship. It said it would ship, but who knows. It was a large investment (not sure investment is even the right word) or purchase, & i just wanted to wait a little longer to see how things go overall.

If things pan out & all is fine, I'll order again. I'm in no rush, as the 6P is still going strong. I want to make the right decision since more than likely it'll be a 2yr phone with a price like that. Double what I paid for the 6P.

Heck, I even tossed around the idea of using the 2XL money to buy a new laptop instead & hold off on a phone until 2018.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Dan37tz:
For those who are curious, this is my Galaxy S8 Plus vs. my Pixel 2 XL. Head on and at angle.

As you can see, the P2XL has a warmer display than the S8+ looking directly at it, once we move to an angle both phones do color shift. The S8+ shifts to a more warm pinkish, and the Pixel 2 XL shifts to a cooler blue. Almost like they swap places.

To me, it's a 100 percent non-issue and I never notice it on either phone on a day to day use.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Az Biker:
Nice comparison!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] onishchuk4:
Boom! This is exactly in comparison to the earlier reddit post where the guy got his RMA 2XL and it showed a shift to pink instead of blue. Not sure if that's any better. I agree. It's a non-issue and I've already quit noticing it. Only thing that's hard to adjust to is the sRGB lol.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jtwlbz:
Yes oled display has always some degree of color shifting though look at it 2 xl has almost entire screen get shifting. Thats the thing
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mrhumble1:
I can't argue with any of that, but it just comes down to practicality for me. I have a perfectly excellent rooted Nexus 6P (also running Pure Nexus) and have no real need to spend $900 on a phone. I WANT to, because, as I mentioned before, I like new hotness, but not enough to go to the trouble of dealing with issues. I also don't want to have perceived issues (that may or may not be a big deal) because of all this stuff.

Phones come out all the time. How many other phones released in the past year or two have had issues like this? I doubt all this talk is 100% about nothing and non-issues. Something is up, and I am perfectly happy to wait until it's sorted to place my order.

Besides, I would be happier once it's rooted and ROMs are available to try out. I feel comfy knowing I have TWRP backups available of my phone and would feel odd having a phone with no backup functionality.

I hope this all gets sorted quickly. Either it turns out there's a bad batch of units or this is the way the phone will always be. At least then we'll be able to set expectations properly. If I knew this is the way the phone was designed and there is no flaw or malfunction, it would be easier to take it for what it is and accept it. That being said, for all we know there's a recall coming in a week. Regardless, more user reviews will be coming out as the next few weeks pass and then we'll all have a better handle on this. A little patience is rarely a bad idea.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] ProAm500:
There's no way you can't look at that and think the shift on the right isn't worse than the left....
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] onishchuk4:
Exactly!!! Btw, I just made a discovery lol! Turn on night mode and drag the intensity to max. The move your display around. The shift will go from that crazy yellow to white. Just shows that it doesn't matter at the end of the day.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] huskerkate:
I don't know if this is good news or not, but my pre-order was supposed to ship today but Google says that shipments are delayed. I'm hoping this is because Google is holding off shipping any more of the initial batches.......
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] underscore_overscore:
Not likely, they're just late with the shipping. Mine was supposed to be shipped yesterday and I eventually did get a tracking number today. So hopefully it'll be here tomorrow.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] tjtj4444:
The blue tint seems to differ a lot between different 2XL's. If that is true then there is an instable production process causing much more blue tint on some screens.

I'd really like to know if there are any videos/photos of two 2XL's with very different amount of blue tint?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] th3discodancer:
Thing is, buyers like me who are not from the USA can not get it RMA'd. We have to buy it from a vendor and the vendors do not comply once we've had the device for 10 days.

As a matter of fact, even in those 10 days, the ONLY case in which we're issued replacements is when the product is shipped with a hardware defect out of the box.

A lot of times, they disregard the screen quality issues saying that it's "supposed to be like that" or that all devices are like that. If they come over to check the phone, the personnel will simply tell you that it looks fine to him/he can't see the problem and that's it. You have to live with it.

We have to then deal with Google's customer support which is practically non existent. I did talk to them and they did say that would take necessary steps if the official vendors fail to support the customer, but then again, they were nowhere to be found when my 6P died on me

Refund is out of the question altogether.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] stumpy352:
Or, even if we can prove that the device is faulty, we have to allow the vendor to send the device away to be tested or repaired, which means we are without the device for up to 30 days. And still no guarantee that it will return without faults. I am forced to deal with Telstra in Australia, and 99% of the time, your best chance is getting a refurb replacement. Under no circumstances will they replace it with a new device once you've taken possession of it. And with this device being a pre-order, it gets shipped directly to my house. So basically, I have taken possession before I can even establish whether there are faults or not.

Unless we pay outright from the google store, google support is fairly nonexistent here.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] blinkin:
I've just bought Oneplus 5 for 400$. Will come back in 3 weeks here and check what the status is to decide whether I should re-sell and buy 2 XL ;)
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Redrockzz:
lol. OnePlus5t will be released next month.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Az Biker:
Good points. I errantly left out those not in the U.S market, my bad.

Bottom line: no one should make a $1,000 decision based solely on the subjectivity or review of someone else.

Of course, there ARE exceptions: If dozen of people run out of the ocean screaming shark, you can make a decision based solely on their observations :p
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] th3discodancer:
Oh, god, yeah. Exactly the same situation here.

For buyers in US, yeah, I agree. I don't understand why I'm seeing people mostly from the US here when Google's basically got you covered on the off chance that your device turns out faulty. Just get it RMA'd and you're good lol.

You guys have nothing to panic about :P
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] raidflex:
Then why not just wait to see how things play out so there is less chance of a problem.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Ceros007:
Nice there's hope then!

Someone asked him about the smearing effect:

Also pics from someone else

https://imgur.com/a/Ga2zZ
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] perveeus:
But there are several thousand pages about what fat bloated phones Samsungs are.

Stop your trolling.

We're adults here.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] ProAm500:
lol..that looks flawless compared to mine. I'll probably wind up RMAing to see if I get a "better" one. It can't be worse (or can it?:confused:)
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Raistlin1:
The blue shift really doesn't bother me, it would have been better if it shifted to blue at a sharper angle though. What does bother me is that sometimes it appears that the right side of my screen is a shade darker than the left. I only notice it on certain apps/pages, if I run the screen test app and view the white/grey/color screens I cannot notice it. So part of me is thinking I am going crazy, but I definitely notice it. Maybe it has something to do with the blue shift and the angle of the phone.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Toothdock:
If you RMA does it reset your return window? I would like to try an RMA before I either settle for this one or return it completely....But I don't want to lose the ability for a full return.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] ProAm500:
No idea. Either way, I'm not going to "return" it. At worst, I'll flip in on swappa or whatever. I'm just waiting to see more reports about people getting phones with "better" screens, build dates, etc to try to time when I do the RMA. It really all seems like a crap shoot whether you get a screen with a lot of blue or not. Maybe its all in our heads at this point lol:eek:
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] davidstjohn1:
My manufactured date is October 11th this is my second phone, the first was a week earlier manufacturer date. It had severe burn in, and very blue screening. Nothing else wrong with the first phone. This newest phone no screen burn in yet, but extremely blue when turning at any angle. I'm keeping the phone. It's great but i have confidence if i have a problem down the road Google will take care of it.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] NOSTALGIA:
it doesnt reset unfortunately.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] whyme45125:
unless you went through verizon. They told me the 14 day return window resets with each device received.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] raidflex:
I have a phone from the same MFG date and the blue tint is not that bad....
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] NOSTALGIA:
so verizon is different. i only know hows the process on google store
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] theycallmerayj:
Just ended a chat with support. CSR claims that the screen is designed that way. Showed her both albums with minimal shift and she said she still saw it. I tried to explain to her that if it was as "intended" it should be uniform across all devices within a reasonable variance. We just went in circles. Obviously, if one has a ton of blue tint and another has almost none that isn't an intended feature.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] sharingan5791:
Initially I thought I wasn't gonna be phased by the screen quality. But after playing with the Pixel 2 XL there was a big difference in screen quality coming from my Note 8. So I'm gonna return mines and stick with my note 8 instead.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] bossei:
My screen is fine and I see no issues. Not all screens are the same so don't assume that you will have the same problems being reported. Try it and if it's bad return the phone. I have no complaints about mine. I also have a Note 8 and while the 2 isn't as good as the Note it's still a good screen FOR ME!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jlinn75:
got mine yesterday defect out the box https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPDpHpnfbYXBmQj2J8VDkWUDERz55DV3Re3joYpQdccMfNZ5c8Hso7WnrJfrS70BA?key=UzhPMGg4MDB4MlNVVno5dXQxUGZJZnNUTmdxR1R3[/URL]
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] lightfire:
Yours have no blue shift at all? Mine starts at 5 degrees.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] bossei:
I seriously don't see it; might be there but it's not noticeable to me. It's very minor.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jlinn75:
I also have the note 8 for work.. I agree not as good as the note 8 but i love the software experience on the pixel 2 xl and that camera
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] quickstang:
^ This guy [emoji122]Again, couldn't have said it better myself

You & Az Biker are both rooted and on pure huh? Maybe that's what I'll do in the meantime. Root my 6P. This is the first phone I haven't done it to yet.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mrhumble1:
Yup and it's damn good. I've had my Nexus 6P for a year and it works perfectly running Pure Nexus. This is a big reason I am ok waiting for the "issues" with Pixel 2 XL to work themselves out.

NOTE: My coworker is getting an XL 2 soon so I will be able to look at his and see what all the hubbub is about.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] quickstang:
Is that light from the panel showing through?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jlinn75:
Yes and I sent it back today for a replacement
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] quickstang:
Google must be overwhelmed with all of these RMAs right now all while trying to fulfill orders.

I wouldn't want to be part of that mess right now. I mean every release is a mess, but man...

I wonder the % of RMAs to shipments. I'm sure very small, but I don't know the initial launch numbers unless anyone knows how many they were launching. Would be interesting to know.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] ProAm500:
As an aside, one of my customers got their pixel 2 xl last night. His is also experiencing "blue shift". He's ok with it though, didn't phase him.