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[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] init_dot_t:
This folks is what you do if you have a problem. If google doesn’t see the current problem with the screen they sure will when the number of RMAs skyrocket. https://twitter.com/jaduino/status/922262597038043137
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jrgalioto:
Any OLED burn in issues? I just read something about some review models developing the issue a free days in.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] BoboBrazil:
Pixel 2 XL panels have bad burn in issues https://9to5google.com/2017/10/22/google-pixel-2-xl-burn-in/

These panels seem to be samsung quality panels from 4 years ago
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] umbrokhan:
only buy the phone if you don't care about the screen. and your more bothered about the speakers, camera.

this phone is for hard-cores enthusiast. not normal people
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Cowbell_Guy:
Are people enabling vivid colors? Does that make things better or worse?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] meboy:
SD card gives you more options and a better value.

It's a simple concept.

Companies higher storage prices are a rip off. Over the years you can take the storage with you. Increasing the savings significantly.

Hardware has not improved much in reality in the last 3 years.

It's mostly in the benchmarks.

Bigger screen with smaller bezels is great though.

S7 was a step back in most conditions with only a small improvement in low light. S8 has come back to basically par plus a little in most conditions and improved low light slightly more.

It's not that big of a difference from Samsung a few years ago or between the main flagships of the last 2 years.

Front fingerprint reader is more convenient than rear. Simple fact.

You can't unlock on a desk, in a mount, etc.

Under screen or very good face/eye would be best.

There are still phones with front like Mate 10 which has tiny bezels or side like on Sony.

3400ish battery is just average. Most flagships with the same screen size are about the same.

Screen on time hasn't improved much in the last few years. Comparing screen size to screen size.

Two front facing speakers that are about the same as a very good single mono is really missing the point.

They botched this if that's the best they can do with two big speakers.

Headphone jack has better audio quality by far than Bluetooth. It gives you more options. It takes very little space regardless of what the marketing departments try to brainwash you with.

There is no reasonable replacement let alone a better replacement at this time or in the next 10+ years.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] rsbenedict:
I can double tap on the screen and use my unlock pattern or Pin to wake it up on a table. Frankly, I can't think of the last time that I've had to do this. If I'm going to use it, it's going to be in my hand. I can double tap to see any alerts and if I'm going to interact with them, I'm going to pick the phone up.

I will admit, it's slightly weird in a car mount, but my newer car has Android Auto and the interaction is with the screen on the car, not on the phone itself.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] umbrokhan:
at least you get 3 years update now.

the sad thing is unlimited storage ends after 3 years.

SD card is not safe. so

the high price is competing with samsung and iPhone they screen are alot better.....so it's not a good move Google..
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] init_dot_t:
Googles response

“The Pixel 2 XL screen has been designed with an advanced POLED technology, including QHD+ resolution, wide color gamut, and high contrast ratio for natural and beautiful colors and renderings. We put all of our products through extensive quality testing before launch and in the manufacturing of every unit. We are actively investigating this report.”
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] cwalker0906:
Where was this posted
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] umbrokhan:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/22/16518298/google-investigating-pixel-2-xl-screen-burn-in
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] init_dot_t:
Posted on 9to5 google

https://9to5google.com/2017/10/22/google-pixel-2-xl-burn-in/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dmb219:
I don't understand why you are spending so much time and effort flogging this phone. Do you own one? If so, you need to send it back. If you have one ordered, you should cancel your order - you surely won't like it. If you don't own one or have one ordered, what's the deal? I have one and I like it. I like the speakers, the display and I have no burn in. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that's what we do here but you are killing us with gloom & doom.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mrhumble1:
The Verge asked Google for comment and posted the response from their spokesperson in this article:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/22/16518298/google-investigating-pixel-2-xl-screen-burn-in

These issues are starting to add up. I don't want to cancel my pre-order but I also don't want a faulty phone. I have a few days to decide before mine is scheduled to ship so hopefully Google says something to ease my mind before then. Yes, I know I can return it if it's unsatisfactory, but that's a hassle I don't want to mess with. My Nexus 6P is working just fine and I can easily wait a few weeks or months to ensure I'm not getting a half-baked device.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] RPAusCan:
I feel like people are just looking for problems with the Pixel 2 XL now. I downloaded the image on that site and tested it on my OG Pixel XL, and I see the "burn in" at the nav bar. I believe this was a Samsung screen, so where was all the uproar with this screen? Also I might add, I never noticed this burn in in the year I've had this phone, until i did this test, which just goes to show how much of a problem it really isn't. So, I believe problems will always be found if you go looking for them. I'm not trying to deny there may be a problem, but it just seems like every reviewer is looking for them more on the Pixel 2 XL.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] MarcianoS:
(sigh) for me, this is death by a thousand cuts for the 2XL...

I could live with washed-out colors. Actually, they kind of remind me of the Nexus 4....

I am not sure about the blue tint, but I get the impression that just checking the demo units at the local Verizon store doesn't tell the whole story. Those units have the brightness cranked up to the max, which you need in the harsh light of the showroom and display area. But, what under more normal viewing conditions? Depending on circumstances, it may or may not be an issue. Ditto for the grainy display issue. Furthermore, cranking up the brightness may hide the issues, but will affect battery life, so that's another consideration.

Now the burn-in. This is serious, and not something I've thought about since the early Samsung OLED days.

Overall, the best course of action for me is to wait and see.. Maybe Google will take drastic action (as in, a mid-cycle refresh of the Pixel 2 XL, using Samsung displays). Maybe not. But I've cancelled my order for now. Not that I'm happy about it!

That said, my Nexus 6p still rocks. I love the camera (except that it could be a bit faster to open up), and the performance is OK under Oreo. I really only notice its age when opening heavy websites (cnn, the verge, etc.). I hope to get a few extra months of service from my old friend :)
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] umbrokhan:
if this was Samsung or especially Apple this would have been trillion times worse.. every one would be saying screen gate from every corner,.

all hell would have broken loose !
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] a103:
Sorry for the late reply. I've got the iPhone 8+ in the end. Been with Android for last 7+ years, will give iOS a shot ;)

EDIT: Used the iPhone 8+ for 6 days, couldn't stand the bulkyness ( 225+ grams with case) and also not so comfortable to hold especially with one hand for long duration. Hence returned it. Using my old Galaxy S4 for past few days. I'm thinking to go for the Pixel 2. The only downside is battery size but I think I'll live with that.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Pappy35:
You'll be back in a week after you discover how they won't even let you put icons anywhere you want (top left to bottom right only).

Haha. Just teasing. I've jumped around a bit myself.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] robn30:
Just cancelled my order after numerous outlets have released data about screen burn in. $949 for a screen that can't go a week without burn in is absurd. If this is found to be widespread, Google should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this garbage out the door. Seems we just can't win anymore. I have a Moto X Pure and love it, but Lenovo was super slow with updates and it lacks some of the nice features of these newer phones. I really wanted to go with the Pixel but my order lasted only 1 hour and then I saw that The Verge released an article about the burn in. Maybe I will have to take a look at Samsung again, but I believe root on those devices is nearly impossible to attain. I know for certain whatever I get will not be purchased through Verizon, I will go unlocked only. I've even thought about going iOS but I really would rather not.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] davidstjohn1:
I have the screen burn-in issue after only 2 and 1/2 days and I have not even hardly use my phone so where the nav buttons are it's burning in on that 9 to 5 Google I downloaded the gray screen and looked at it it was badly burned in already anybody who has a pre-order I would definitely most definitely cancel it there is something really wrong with the screen after I really try to like it you would be wasting your time getting the phone unless you don't mind screen burn-in after only 2 and 1/2 days it was severe
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] robn30:
To me one of the most valued and important components of a flagship phone is the display, followed closely by the camera. So I do put credence in multiple reviewers showing burn in after a week of use. I would be super disappointed to notice burn in after the return period, once you know it's there, how could you feel good about spending $949+tax for that device. It's the cost of a freaking computer for crying out loud. I could deal with the sRGB style color scheme, I actually prefer that. Screen burn in after a week is a deal breaker, and I'm sure it will be for many others as well. If this issue is real, it's gonna cost Google big time, especially since the Pixel is pretty much designed to compete with the iPhone. I'll gladly wait at this point and see how this plays out, my Moto X Pure still works great.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] rsbenedict:
Got a pic?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] davidstjohn1:
No I do not have a picture I did not take one I'm sending the phone back tomorrow morning I shut it off took my SIM card out and put it back in my LG G5 you can take my word for it or don't but it definitely has screen burn-in after two and a half days.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] init_dot_t:
Nah I’m good. I still have 3 weeks until mine arrives so there’s no point in canceling right now. It’s not going to hurt those who have to wait for our phones to watch this play out more instead of canceling right away. Could be an issue with fist batch phones with poor QC. Then blacks & whites could ship with no issues. I’ll take my chances. Just sayin.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] davidstjohn1:
I really hope that's the case I really wanted to love this phone everything was great except the screen burn-in and the blue hue before the screen burn-in I could have lived with it with no problem at all the screen burn-in was Death By A Thousand Cuts
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] LordGrahf:
Man, it just keeps getting worse and worse.

I've had my 2 XL for 4 days now and have been using it very heavily, but I've also hidden the nav and status bars from day one because I use pie control and like a more immersive experience. Doing the burn-in test doesn't show any signs of course in my case.

I'm not bothered by the blue shifting, washed out colors, or the graininess of the display either. But ffs Google, it's like a new issue gets discovered every day with this hot mess of a display. Is there any QC being performed before shipping these "premium" phones out? What new issues are we going to learn about tomorrow and the day after?

Honestly, I feel like I'm part of the problem myself. I'm still within the return period, but I haven't reached my breaking point yet it seems, specially when taking into consideration how everything else about this phone is just perfect. Unfortunately, I'm not going to return it (at least not yet) as I and everyone else should IMHO. As someone else mentioned: a lot of people, including myself, seem to give Google a pass that you know for certain would've not been given to Apple or Samsung...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dyoung33:
Could you see the burn in during normal viewing, or did you first notice it, when you did the test? Thanks...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] davidstjohn1:
For me i had to do the test. But it's there... Sadly!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] JohnMichaelCost:
Display doesn't matter, just you have phone and don't compare the samsung display to Lg. (Samsung is king of oled.[emoji14]) I dont bashing the google pixel 2 XL is very good phone, i have now. even unbox therapy doesn't care the issue they love google pixel/nexus for years.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] zetsumeikuro:
Sure, I agree with you that the display is one of most important parts of the device. I'm not defending Google but only a few isolated reports of "burn in" while it really could just be image retention really shouldn't deter you. Now if the reviewers are running their displays at 100% brightness and keeping the navbar black 15-30+ minutes at a time I wouldn't be shocked if they got burn in that way even after 1-2 weeks. I'm pretty sure even the Samsung panels wouldn't come out of that type of usage unscathed. They say "normal" usage but we don't know what they their normal usage is. Our normal vs their normal can mean two completely different things. Plus they're not breaking the displays in and just going full blast right away. What I don't understand is why Google doesn't make the navbar and status bar transparent or take on some color which essentially solve the problem. I happily use the app that colors the navbar and status bar and have yet to see any image retention/burn-in on my display. If there is indeed some issue with the panel with the first batch of devices I'm sure Google will do the right thing and offer replacements to those even outside of the 15 day window. But if you and the others want to wait some more go for it. I will keep enjoying my fantastic device in the mean time :D.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Poloasis:
Google wanted to make the perfect phone, as a matter a fact it is the perfect Google phone ever made, Google pack allot inside and wants people to see newer phone as software instead of hardware, but what's a phone with the perfect software without able to display it correctly. I fear this week, the 2 XL is going to take a dive for the worst. I have iPhone FB friends tagging me left and right about what's been discovered about the screen for that last 3 days. I have my 2 XL on pre-order shipping tomorrow and I have my finger on my mouse on the order cancel option currently. Haven't done it yet but this thing is not looking good.

Let's not forget this a $1k phone with the 128G version and $129 accidental replacement option.

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I canceled and will re-order if this is fixed, the amount was too much for such lack of QC.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] clothednblack:
Saw this in another forum, maybe non shipped device's will be better?

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/FspGf
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Ricey:
The other screen cons I don't mind. Burn in after less than a week is something I couldn't overlook though. I've canceled the 2XL preorder and will see how this plays out first. Read about the thread where they said they fixed the other issues but nothing about burn in yet.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Poloasis:
Let's wait for the newer shipped device if this is true. Only time will tell.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] manners400:
I'm not worried, still awaiting my pre-order. It's funny because if somehow the screen managed to really have burn in LG better be prepared to pay google a lot of $$ after their lawsuit lol.

The below quote is taken from LG newsroom website article dated August 3rd regarding the PoLED screen and the up coming flagship (which is mostly V30 which is essentially the same screen in the pixel)...

"Most importantly, using advanced encapsulation and pixel-scanning technology, the burn-in problem that has affected OLED technology in the past has been all but eliminated in the P-OLED technology in LG’s upcoming device"
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] clothednblack:
Well, mine is scheduled to ship this Tuesday, so I'm hoping. ?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] meboy:
Read it without getting offended first and thinking second.

Am I saying what people don't want to hear from their emotional point of view or am I simply making valid, rational points.

What I say is very general and applies to all phones.

I really don't like some directions the smartphone industry is going.

This was one of my top contenders. It was the note 8 but with that stupid aspect ratio and rear fingerprint reader it's off the list. S8 plus is even worse with the more curved screen. Next was the mate 10 but I demand OLED and between their two devices neither offer what I'm after.

Maybe 2018.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] zetsumeikuro:
I'm sure they will find some legal loophole with the phrase "has been all but eliminated in P-OLED technology in LG's upcoming device." They could say it's almost been eliminated or it's in the next device after the V30.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Ghisy:
You honestly need new friends! ?

But on a more serious note, this whole screen issue is bad for Google. I was gonna import (maybe) but now I'll just wait and see what they have to say about it. I guess I may have to hold on to my 6P for another year...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] greencat2:
In a strange way, I hope the burn in issue is real. I will use my phone and down the road Google will replace it.

Win win
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Redrockzz:
I was thinking about that too.

My Device will arrive on 15.11.2017 and I urgently need it, because my actual s7 edge is broken.

So I will use the Pixel 2 xl, hoping for big display issues after round about 2 months, so Google has to replace my phone ;) I hope the newer xl 2's will get better panels ^^
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] benrees21:
Anyone else think they should just switch to a LG LCD Display now? Obviously it's not as good as a decent OLED but I'd rather have a really nice LCD display that is issue free! LG can actually make a decent LCD as well!! I'm not due to get mine until the 15th Nov, hopefully all will be good by then..
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Redrockzz:
Absolutely not. LCD's are garbage and outdated.

Pixel 2 XL is a premium high-end phone and it has to have an OLED Display, but next time they better get Samsung panels ^^

By the way: Google wouldnt to that, just because of their always on and always listening feature .. These are only possible with OLED.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] DualSportDad:
LCD doesn't support daydream. The latency it too long.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] skip24ftlb:
Actually the screen on the Nokia 8 is LCD. The Nokia 8 has an always on screen too. The screen brightness goes to 700 nits.

Whilst its latency might fall outside daydream specs, it's a very good display.

I've had one, returned it, to wait for the pixel 2xl, but won't hesitate to go back to the Nokia 8 if problem's persist with the 2xl.

Then there's the bonus of an micro SD slot and 3.5mm headphone jack too.

And in the jerryrig test, the Nokia 8 didn't bend.. however irrelevant that test is

Pixel 2xl hopefully but Nokia 8 a close second.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Redrockzz:
How the hell an always on on a LCD screen? Batterlife like 2 hrs? ^^
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] skip24ftlb:
Nokia has been very clever redrockzz. And the battery life on the Nokia 8 is quite simply stellar. I drive 9hrs a night. My phone is always searching for signal masts. Yet the Nokia 8 with chatting and web surfing included managed 2 days before charging. I will add that whilst asleep I do turn phone off tho.

Running the Google camera APK off XDA also makes a pretty good camera even better
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] benrees21:
I wouldn't call LCD's garbage. Yes I did forget about those two features so I guess we can only hope that it all gets sorted soon..
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] init_dot_t:
Interesting that Droid Life says it looks like it could be image retention.

https://www.droid-life.com/2017/10/23/pixel-2-xl-screen-burn-in-retention/
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] whyme45125:
IF there's a real issue with these units they should come out publicly and acknowledge a problem exists and that they're going to make it right for those owners and pre orders, the longer they stay quiet the worse it will be, wondering if they're waiting for as many people as possible to fall out of that 15 day return window before they do anything? But that being said I'll do what others here are saying, keep it in the hopes of a replacement down the road. FWIW: I did jump into google help chat last night for an hour or so to find out what they're prepared to do about this, seems they're investigating these claims seriously but also seem to think it'll all be fixed with software update lol, good luck with that. I told them if there is burn in issues within a week of ownership expect me and others to go through thousands of thousands of units til they realize they need to fix the root cause of the problem = the screen itself. Oh yea I was also told the units being shipped won't have that problem, so they obviously know there's an issue and they realize it whether they acknowledge it and move forward we'll see....he also mentioned that phones are being replaced already but I said what's the point if there's a hardware flaw or inferior panels from LG that aren't good enough for a $1,000 phone. He got quiet. crickets *chirp *chirp. I'm still excited for my phone to arrive it may just be quality control at LG? who knows yet. I'll give the phone a chance and then google a chance IF there is something wrong with the display. Not cancelling because of what others have said, I'll make that decision myself with my own eyes.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] skip24ftlb:
Well it's all over the British tabloids online now......
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] biggiestuff:
Not too big of a deal. keep your orders, use the phone for 6 months and then submit a claim and get one of the new batches under warranty.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] whyme45125:
yes my thought exactly, live with it for a while til google does something about it then warranty claim. :angel:
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] thacounty:
Exactly my plan. Actually, I still have both of my orders in. So I'm probably going to play with the Just Black until my Penguin ships, or return window is almost up, then ship it back. I'll trade in my Pixel XL on the Penguin and wait until they resolve the issues and get an RMA.

The reason I think this is a good idea: Maybe El Goog will decide not to use LG displays in the future and go back to Sammy after it costs them a bunch of warranty $$.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] synplex:
If Google just added a screen mode or calibration setting like Samsung or HTC (like Vivid mode), it'll be fine.