yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
I will post the screen shot tomorrow. for now, I can report that netfront beats opera hands down in its ability to emulate the desktop when performing internet banking.

I tried the following:

www.virginmobile.com.au only netfront accepts user id and password.

hsbc.com.au - both pass

maybank - opera does not work. only netfront does

citibank - opera does not allowinput of passeord, wheras netfront does.

Now, I must sleep. its 2.06am.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Deiota:
hello!

this browser is getting awsome!

im using it right now on my athena and Its getting hard for me to find a download link for flashlite3. can you point the cab link to me please?

another question, when I double click on the address above, the search appears. if i write somethng it does a Yahoo search. can I change for a Google seach instead?

thanks a lot, in advance

deiota
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] EyeAmRubber:
What are the URLs of these two sites?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] dcs160:
anybody have a link to flashlite3?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Deiota:
im trying to find it also but no success.

please help us.

thanks

deiota
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] irus:
i was looking for this about a week ago and eveyone has told me that there is no flashlite 3 for wm yet only for s60
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Deiota:
it does exist yes, I've heard people saying having it...
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
I read from Adobe's website that they have no plan to release one for windows mobile platform. The link that I posted about a month ago is broken now though.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
Here are the screenshots for smh.com.au showing the difference between Opera mobile 9.33 and Netfront 3.5

As you can see, on this webpage, Opera mobile has erroneously shown all the pull down items from the headings, the news sections were repeated with different color, and there is a mysterious vertical line across the screen.

Netfront shows it correctly, exactly like the destktop as we expect.

Opera is also weak on most of the internet banking/internet payment sites that I've tried. For example it is unable to handle the user id and password screen for:

www.virginmobile.com.au (only netfront 3.5 can input the user id and password)

https://www.ipb.citibank.com.sg/SGIPB/JSO/signon/DisplayCinSignon.do?login=true&tabNo=2 (Netfront 3.5 has no problem with this)

On https://www/maybank2u.com.my/mbb/scripts/mbb_login.jsp?do=, the behaviours was erratic. There are times when the password window does not allow entry while at other times it does. (netfront 3.5 has no problem with this page)

You mentioned that in your experience Opera is able to handle webpages better than anything else. Could you also list some webpages where Opera 9.33 has won over Netfront 3.5?

These two products are both new to all of us, and I would like to get to know their strength/limitation as much as I could. So, anything that you can share is much appreciated.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
Another difference between Opera 9.33 and Nefront 3.5

I tried another bank chosen at random. This time it is www.ocbc.com

Going into the personal banking site, I have no problem with netfront 3.5. I was able to enter a fictitious user id and use the pop up keyboard to enter a password into the password window.

With Opera 9.33, however, I immediately encounterd an error saying"Browser does not suport Java Applets". I can activate the on-screen keyboard though, it is just that if you use it, nothing gets into the password windows. Only when you use your own on-screen SIP you could enter it.

Note also that the pop up security keyboard does not display correctly?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
Another difference between opera 9.33 and Netfront 3.5

The next website that I test is also not displayed correctly by Opera. Website url is : www.fxstreet.com

Here shows the difference:

It looks to be that there is a seriuos flaw in Opera's ability to handle webpages. MOST of the webpages that I have tried are not handled correctly by Opera, but correctly handled by Netfront 3.5. Or is there something that I missed???
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
same story right through on every websites that I try. Opera does not display correct

Looks like Opera 9.33 is still extremely buggy, or is unable to handle most webpages yet.

Compare Opera's layout versus the correct one by Netfront below it. Sorry for the "late capture" in Opera caused by the fact that it is extremely resource hungry, and when it is running, my screen capture program almost freezed and took a long time to capture it.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
Opera mobile 9.33 vs Netfront on bbc.co.uk

I noticed that although I have entered www.bbc.co.uk into opera's web address, it automatically changes that to bbc.co.uk/mobile/web/index.shtml, so there is no way one can read the desktop version of the webpage. If I click bbc.co.uk to force it back to the desktop version, it just terminates itself.

With Netfront, if I enter www.bbc.co.uk, it will display that site. Of course, once in there, I can click the PDA/mobile link to display the scaled down version. When in the PDA/mobile version, if I click on the wording bbc.co.uk, it will go back to the desktop version, and not terminate itself like Opera.

Another point scored by Netfront 3.5 over Opera mobile 9.33.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
Opera 9.33 vs Netfront 3.5 on cnn

I was wondering whether Opera would automatically go only to the mobile version on cnn as well. Surprisingly, it did not. It did convert www.cnn.com into www.edition.cnn.com, just like Netfront and on the desktop.

However, unlike the desktop and Netfront 3.5, Opera 9.33 has a problem there again... Well, I think you have already guessed it. it did not display the webpage correctly once again. See below

Yet another point to Netfront 3.5.

On just about every webpage that I try I see Opera having problem. Am I having a more buggy version than yours or what? Are you guys also seeing the same problem with your version of Opera 9.33?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] fards:
bbc working fine here in opera 9.xx
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
Yours does'nt auto switch to the mobie version ? How's yours doing with the other sites that I have teted?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Confucious:
How can you see which version of Opera you have? eaglesteve - you keep refering to 9.33 - I thought this was 9.5?

BBC works fine and so does cnn here
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] mattie01:
ok can anyone help with what i am doing wrong...

i am using a touch dual and the buttom and top menu bars come up as massive....!

yet in this video here

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x49rb9_opera-mobile-95_tech

the menu bars are more like what i would expect.. any ideas on what i am doing wrong? should i be applying the standard_skin zip...

if so does any one know how i should be doing this?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] miletb:
eaglesteve - It seams like you have font or DPI issue. You can try to change option "Display / Minimum font size" on "small" - works fine in my tests.

Opera handles most sites well but netfront seams better solution for me.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] irus:
eaglesteve

eaglesteve try entering this at the end of the webpage

?nomobile=1

so it should look like this www.bbc.co.uk/?nomobile=1

this will work for bbc and cnn also for some websites like engadget you enter this at then end

?m=false

so it should look like this www.engadget.com/?m=false

hope this helps :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
I have tried the small font as you suggested. Unfortunately it did not make any difference. The display are still not 100% correct. This is the case with every websites that I previously tried. Small font produces exactly the same problems in all of them still.

CNN is also not 100% if you look carefully enough. Scroll to the bottom shown in my screenshot and compare with your desktop. Alternatively compare with the accurate display by netfront.

You can use the CNN webpage, but the point is not that. It is about whether or not opera does it correctly.

Netfront does, opera does'nt.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
A good browser should display the webpage without manual tweaking of web address, should'nt it?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
I was told by posters here that it is not 9.5 but 9.33. I also don't know how to check the version. Seems like the programmer missed that out.

Are you sure bbc and cnn is correct? Is the bbc the mobile version rather te desktop one? for cnn, look at the bottom part very carefully. You need to xompare very carefully with thr desktop display to detect the error.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] fards:
Mine is definitely the full version of both bbc and cnn.

the top horizontal menu in cnn has two overlays at one point. The bbc renders flawlessly.

Maybe it's worth comparing ini files steve.. Have you got it fit to screen in the options, I don't.

settings I've got are display> automatic fullscreen, on fit to screen off.

Large font size

automatic ram cache 1 (in the ini)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] irus:
i guess but after all its just a beta
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
Strange. I have the same setting as yours. Can you post your screenshots please?

Have you tried the other sites that I've mentioned?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Chainfire:
You can see version by looking at this page:

http://www.useragent.org/

It will show user-agent. 9.33 will have:

Opera Mobile/331
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Goatmaster:
It's not even a beta it's a leaked version that was probably never meant for public consumption. The NetFront was a planned public test release, which is why it probably renders pages better.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
Thanks mate. It also tells us our IP address. Great site.:)

It says mine version is Opera /9.0 (Microsoft WIndows PPC 240x320; Opera Mobile/331;U;en). So, this is version 9.33.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
This is an acceptable explaination on why the Opera's quality is so much worst than Netfront's. This also brings hope to me - that we still have a chance for a much better 9.5:)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] fards:
not tried the other sites, and can't get magicss to get a grab of opera. keeps coming up blank, if there's a better screenshot prog I'll try.

I'm back playing with netfront now, as opera tended to crash whilst posting to a couple of boards, I do really like it. Hopefully it'll go public beta soon so we can pick up all the glitches.

Not certain which I'll buy in the long run. If the upgrade to netfront from 3.3 is sensible price then most likely that one.

[edit]

my mobiler does nice screenshots..
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] at10ti0n:
when i type in any textinput through opera beta 9.33 i get a space after every letter if i am using the pocketCM Keyboard but if i used the default keyboard it doesnt insert that. Is there a way i can fix it?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] irus:
can you repost the screenshots but with the address bar so we can see the excat address that it going to
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
Opera mobile seems to be having problem with quite a number of keyboards. I'm interested to know if there is a solution too.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
Can you also post the Following:

- www.fxstreet.com

- www.cnn.com

- www.smh.com.au

- http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide, then search with any time frame.

See if your displays are the same as desktop's. BTW your BBC's display is also distorted if you look carefully. But at least you don't default to the mobile version,right? That is better than mine,which always go to the mobile version,and attempt to come back to the desktop version would terminate Opera instantly.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] brucewilsonpa:
Netfront vs Opera -- banking

I have been following this thread with much interest. In general, my results have pretty much matched those of EagleSteve. However I was disappointed to find that while Opera 9.xx will access my banking website with few probs, I couldn't get Netfront 3.5 to do so -- it seems to bomb on the sign-in -- as soon as I enter my password, the browser shuts down. Not sure why but I've made several attempts all with the same result.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] EyeAmRubber:
Netfront is a public beta or so, so expect problems.

Opera isn't even a beta, but pre-alpha or something. Even less finished than Netfront. Again, expect problems. Even more so.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
So far,I've only only tested it to the extent of ensuring the web pages allows user id and password to be entered. Until that step, Opera has very very low success rate but netfront has 100% rate of success.

I'll go a step further now to actually test what happens after that,and report my experience back.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
I hope this opera is not what gets into the 7510. Opera 9.5 is supposed to be in shipping stage already.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] fards:
if I get time I will.bit busy next few days.

only distortion I can see is on couple of buttons, not serious at this stage of the game, however beta bbc webpage bets really messed up
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] X7501_PPC:
Hallo For ALL >>>

FINALLY I Can Watch youtube video Direct from www.youtube.com

like computer Labtob >>> :)

for more Confirmation please show this video from my htc x7500

with rom black 3 ::

http://www.4shared.com/file/37960117/3420d1a5/x7501.html?dirPwdVerified=baa72021
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] EyeAmRubber:
No, it clearly isn't. If you believe otherwise, state your sources.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
http://www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp/article.jsp?print=1&article_id=86594&cat_id=643

http://news.speeple.com/techtree.com/2008/02/06/opera-mobile-v9-5-now-shipping.htm

http://www.congoo.com/news/2008February7/Opera-Mobile-Shipping

Sorry, there are just too many sources saying the same thing. Google yourself if you do not trust me.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] nuttyphilt:
That's because they're all quoting from the same press release. If you look down at the bottom it says that Opera Mobile 9.5 hasn't reached the public beta stage yet so therefore it can't be shipping yet unless they have a very strange development process.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
I wish I know. That's what the heading says. Other than the last line, the whole article says that it is commercially released and MWC participants could experience it, bla bla bla. Confusing, isn't it?

So, is 9.33 the one shipped with HTC X7510 (which is available for order now?)

Another heading says this:

Wireless Tech - Opera Offers PC-Like Browsing on Mobile DevicesThe commercial version of Opera Mobile 9.5, a Web browser for mobile devices, ... system will ship today to manufacturers along with Windows Server 2008. ...

www.cio-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=0220025VS84Q

Another article, which now I 'm unable to locate, says that Opera Mobile 9.5 is being shipped to manufacturer, but public could not buy it direct yet.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] EyeAmRubber:
You are quoting Opera's press release which ANNOUNCES that Opera Mobile 9.5 will be released some time in the future. It does not state that it has been released already. It also clearly states that there is an upcoming beta.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
This article says that HTC X7510 comes with Opera Mobile 9.5.

http://gizmodo.com/354811/htc-updates-the-advantage-x7510-with-16gb-flash

"The HTC Advantage has just received a hardware and software upgrade, and is now called the X7510. HTC has bumped the internal storage to 16GB of flash, and improved the keyboard as well as adding in Opera 9.5, and a "future version" of Windows Mobile."

How does this happen if it has not been shipped to the phone manufacturer?

Not so 'clear', is it?

That's what prompted me to think that 9.5 is in much more advanced stage than mere pre-beta.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] EyeAmRubber:
It's still very clear.

Has the device been released? No.

These announcements are made well in advance of the release of the product. Between the announcement and release, the software and hardware is finalized.

If it hadn't been pre-beta, we would have seen a public beta already.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] surur:
You have Flash light 3? Can you share?

Surur
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Confucious:
People pre-announce. By the time the 7510 is released Opera9.5 will be available - it doesn't mean it's available now.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] leoni1980:
flash lite 3 isn't penned for release on windows mobile anymore. There's no developer version and there's certainly no full version so I don't know how you've got flash to work in that video, unless it's a fake.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] tootallk2000:
It looks a bit fake to me Leoni, and 2ndly it's awefully slow on the page load, even the unboxing video had some serious lag to it. I was watching the numbers time laps numbers on the youtube video closely and the numbers barely even moved (pay close attention to it when the actual unboxing starts). If i'm correct he was using wifi so why such a bad lag. If this is true however I think I might wanna stick with flash bundle for now untill they iron out the speed and rendering of those videos. It's good hope though and looking forward to big things happening in the near future.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] irus:
with opera 8.65 (not the version that came with athen) the version you can download off the opera website. you can watch youtube videos just install fp7 and FL 2.1 and it will work
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] tootallk2000:
Can you give further details as to what you're talking about?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] irus:
the video is jerky and starts and stops it does not work that well but it does work
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] tootallk2000:
Oh ok similar operation to the one shown in the video posted. My question though is what's the difference with the Opera 8.6 that came with the Athena vs the one you download from the Opera website?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] irus:
the only thing i can think of is different build, but im not really sure
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] ice_coffee:
what build have you got ??
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
Well, if you are so clear about what Opera's people are doing, perhaps you can answer these few questions:

1) When was Opera 8.65 available for Public beta?

2) When was Dopod U1000 first released and bought by customers?

3) Which version of Opera was in that Dopod U1000?

Happy research. :-)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] fards:
Cnn is now going to edition.cnn.com don't know what the difference is or why it's changed, was www.cnn.com.

the others keep crashing opera except fxstreet which gives a flashlite error.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] EyeAmRubber:
I don't know what you are trying to say. I am merely pointing out that the device you mentioned is not out yet, and that Opera themselves stated that the leaked version is a pre-alpha. That's in addition to Opera 9.5 coming out as a public beta some time in the future.

So it is clearly nowhere near finished.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
Research into that, and what I'm tying to say will become clear to you :-)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] EyeAmRubber:
Research what? That the U1000 was released in 2007, while Opera Mobile 8.65 was released in 2006?

If you are so convinced that Opera's words are false, why don't you give me some actual facts instead of beating around the bush? You clearly can't find a single statement from Opera that 9.5 is anywhere near a final version, so you seem to be making up stuff or hoping that someone finds something for you since your arguments so far have been based on your own lack of knowledge.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
Sometimes things are not that clearcut. So far, we have seen many sites mentioning shipment to phone manufacturers, that 9.5 will be in x7510, and x7510 release is very soon. And yet, there is no public beta still? Reading these, I said the news were not clear on the state of Opera mobile's readiness, but you had more than once chosen to read only the part of the news that says beta is yet to happen, while ignoring the first part of the news and claim that the news are very clear. That's why I asked you to look at history.

Opera 8.65 public beta happened at around 29 March 2007. Dopod U1000 was released earlier than that and already had 8.65 in it. Confusing and defy logic. I just re-flashed my old ROM back and checked. My old Operawas 8.65 build 2211. At that time Opera 8.65 was not even shown on Opera's website for download yet. So, it seems that the shipments to the phone manufacturers had occurred before the public beta with 8.65.

Can it be happening again with 9.5? I'm not sure. The news posted were not clear to me, but you think it is very clear.

BTW, you mentioned that this version is way superior to netfront in handling webpages, which is why it is resource hungry. Could you kindly share with us examples of web sites it handles very well? Notice that you had not answered to a number of questions directed at you.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] EyeAmRubber:
8.65 was announced in September 2006:

http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2006/09/01/

I trust Opera's own words that the leaked 9.33(!) build is pre-alpha more than some random sites making all sorts of claims. In fact, if you notice the version number, it isn't 9.5 in the first place! Who's to say that this isn't just a very old build and that there are far more recent internal builds?

As for listing sites, I'm not going to bother discussing details about a pre-alpha, sorry. It is rather pointless and different people have different experiences on different phones.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eaglesteve:
Your link is for the the annoucement of the product, as you said yourself. Version 9.5 has also been announced, but it does not mean it is avaialble for public beta yet. Alternatively, that was not for the WM5 platform, which is what we're talking about.

Some links that gives some indications of the public beta dates are:

http://justanothermobilemonday.com/...indows-mobile-50-released-for-real-this-time/

http://www.pocketpcaddict.com/forum...ra-8-65-beta-windows-mobile-5-0-released.html

Not sure why we're talking about experiences on different phones. The only person who had some rather unfriendly debates with us on that topic was spacecat, who is now banned for being rude, vulgar, and not willing to be reasonable in discussion. You don't happen to be him coming back in different name (springing back like a RUBBER!), I hope.;)

Anyway, I genuinely want to know the basis for you saying 9.33 handles webpages much better than Netfront 3.5. Could you please share your experience with us?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] irus:
** off topic

do you play halo 3 online if so is you name the same on there cause i think i played halo with you the other night

off topic **
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] EyeAmRubber:
Yes, back in 2006. The 8.65 core was apparently ready back then. Not sure what U1000 has got to do with anything.

Exactly. According to Opera, the build is a pre-alpha, and the version number (9.33/9.0) reflects this fact.