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[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] nebulaoperator:
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I had my Huawei Mate 10PRo for the last 2 weeks now. So far I am very happy with camera although it's not perfect. In fact I am surprised how well at times it can pick up absolutely spot on White Balance and especially in artificial light conditions. Bokeh is very nice though at the beginning I was sceptical however later I was proved wrong. I don't like forced sharpening Huawei should drop it like Samsung did on S9. HDR is just sn average. I would also be happy if they at least allow to disable AI feature on the camera because I prefer full control.

Last week I had a shoot out in London you can take a look here :

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12rMtfioFhzprCXxkaSuzZTxd3gXS9xza?usp=sharing

#Mate10ProInsidersUK #mate10pro #TheInsidersUK
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] wizard6601:
mate 10

i love mate 10 in low light situations

just 2 candles

photo is related to iranian new year (nowrouz) tradition "7 sin" (means 7 S . 7 things that start with S letter)
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] madman_cro:
do you guys use 20 or 12 mp? any cons on 20?
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] Juan_Largearm:
I am really enjoying this camera. I've never had a dual lens camera so this has been fun to mess around with for photos.

The 1080p video doesn't seem all that sharp to me when played on something other than the phone but the 4K looks so nice both off the phone and on it.

The monochrome sensor works great as both a solo and mix and although the slow-mo quality is pretty low (but still cool) the light painting/long exposure works well consistantly with just a tiny amount of pixelation.

https://lensdump.com/a/8Wq9a

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYH-4kGHhT8

I've never used this image host before - it doesn't compress images but seems you need to click a couple of times to get the full picture.

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[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] nebulaoperator:
I would say 12MP is probably best option for over all photography but if you have good lighting conditions and need extra pixels for large print then go for 20MP. You can also zoom in more on 20MP after shot and do more cropping. Other han that 12MP is already an overkill for social media .
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] wizard6601:
maybe you turn on stabilizer. stabilizer make videos blurry

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i have tested many photos. quality in 12 Mp is a bit better (in color and sharpness) and i think 20 MP has no cons (except more pixels)
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] marwa90:
Here is another gallery with shots from BMW Welt and BMW Museum - https://photos.app.goo.gl/CClLDNmkeyXnf2a93
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] ThoroSOE:
Overprocessing - workaround

I found a workaround for anyone who dislikes the crushed details left behind by the harsh processing. In the comparison images I attached, you see crops of 4 scenes in a dimly lit room. Pictures were taken in auto mode within seconds with hands kept as still as possible. Crops are center image, focus set by tapping the same spot.

Left picture: 12 MP resolution, 1.1x zoom

Right picture: 20 MP no zoom. Software could post-sharpen the image, if the UI prompted me to keep the camera still.

The crops are the same size, because I zoomed in accordingly in the photo app for the side by side comparison.

It looks like even the slightest zoom changes the processing dramatically. Yes, the noise increases a bit. But there is much more real detail in the pictures. It is least obvious with the books. But despite being lower resolution, text is generally more legible and lines are more defined (f. e. on the brown older book).

I think the carpet in image 4 shows pretty nicely, how details get smeared by the default algorithm with no real benefit.

I wish THAT would be the default processing mode ...
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] :
Does anyone know if there is a difference between the images from Mate 10 and Mate 10 Pro?
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] alive88:
is there any way or camera apps that we can use the lessen the oversharpening traits of mate 10 pro?
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] penfold:
there are a number of apps that use different processing, open camera and footej camera for example
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] daniello8:
But none can stand up against the native camera app - at least not the ones I tested ;)
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] ThoroSOE:
Did you even bother to read (part of) this thread? Just 2 posts above yours I posted one way to lessen the processing in low light. I even posted comparison pictures to show it works.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] Tumpster:
Is the camera same, better, or worse than the HTC U11/U11+? I'm considering moving to this phone but I'm rocking a U11+, just not happy with the 0 development on it and lack of band 2. I'd appreciate anyone's feedback, thanks!
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] alive88:
Yes ive read it. what i meant was something more direct. what u said did help,. so let me rephrase my q. "is there any OTHER way BESIDES ThroSOE tricks or camera apps that we can use to lessen the oversharpening traits of mate 10 pro?

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Thanks.will try

you are correct. the ease of using native cam apps is one thing, but if given the option to scale down the over the top sharpening post processing would be great
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] madman_cro:
use raw and edit later ?
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] Qooqoo1917:
I'm so happy when I take photos in raw but in auto there are problems about colors. It's a nice camera but it has got several limits. The front camera is modest. View attachment 4460649
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] microhaxo:
I can confirm this. Easily noticeable with these two shots: (Both 12mp)
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] Tuborg68:
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[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] botkiller00:
I really wanna buy this 10pro but i have some concerns about low light performance and 'ai' speed. I have lg g4 and i like this phone camera, that's why i choose 10pro to buy but does it worth to upgrade? And second question : does ai slows the camera? Should i wait for it to detect the scene or can i take a photo even if it doesn't detect?

Ty in advance and good day
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] Thasscas44:
The mate 10 pro is my first dual lens phone, and my first with AI, and to be honest I get more bad photos with this than I have my last two phones.

I was expecting this camera to be the absolute best, but it isn't.

Sometimes the shots are very good, but fairly regularly outdoor shots get massively underexposed, sometimes making faces undistinguishable. It seems to be worse on sunny / bright days, even when making effort to press the face on screen first to readjust the brightness and being sure to be in the opposite direction to the sun. The faces still come out as dark blobs.

When the software gets it right it's good. But there's still a way to go and the camera isn't as awesome as all the reviews would suggest in my experience.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] ThoroSOE:
I came from a G4 and LOVED the camera on it (Note: I ran stock Android 7 with the updated stock camera app on it). Before I gave away my G4, I extensively tested both cameras side by side. Verdict:

The G4 captures more detail in most scenarios, sometimes by a wide margin. The aggressive post processing on the Mate is a real problem in many scenes. Faces usually look more natural on the G4. Also the Mate lacks higher resolution 16:9 shots (12 and 20 MP are 4:3 only), which might bother you. Video on the G4 is leagues better than on the Mate 10 (stabilized 4k videos, very smooth zoom).

On the other hand the Mate is way more reliable in getting the focus right (and being much faster at that). Shutter lag is much lower, but stabilization suffers (in low light I find myself using the 2 second timer to get a steady shot). The Mate also is much better at handling scenes with challenging lighting (high contrast, etc) - even with the Mate in standard mode and the G4 with HDR always on. And zooming up to 2x works surprisingly well.

One thing to note is the monochrome mode though. This is something really special and way different from filters or b/w in post. Even in lower light scenes, images are INCREDIBLY detailed with amazingly low noise and a really unique feel to them. F.e. a simple shot down the subway feels like an image from a high level magazine. But this is not for everyone.

Using the zoom workaround on the Mate (zooming to 1.1x) is a good workaround to get WAY more details and more natural pictures in normal mode. But even then it usually just manages to get on par with the G4, if that.

All in all I expected more of the Mate 10's camera. Were it just for the camera, I wouldn't have made the switch. But I needed a dual SIM phone (with both SIMs LTE capable) and wanted a fingerprint reader. Also although I had my G4 on stock Android 7, it felt a bit sluggish. And naturally the battery life on the Mate 10 is astounding. So, apart from the camera, the Mate 10 Pro is a BIG upgrade from the G4. The camera can best the G4 in some areas, but mostly it is on par or clearly weaker. If you are not interested in nice zoom capability and amazing b/w images, don't switch just for the camera!

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Do you use the feature that lets you adjust the light-metering after focusing? I mean where you tap and hold the thing to focus on and then drag the finger to an other point of the scene to pick the brightness and color metering (you have to leave the finger on the screen for this)? This saved many pictures for me.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] botkiller00:
Ty sir for your comments that helps a lot :laugh: i am using lg with MM and my battery life is 3 hr sot... And i love taking photos after lg and i wanna take more with a device that camera is better. I hope i will worth
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] justyourimage:
delete me
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] cornel.atomei:
Sold the mate and got my new review unit, huawei p20. From my first impressions, it has a killer camera, specially in low light. Stay tuned for the comparisons with S9, iphone x and Pixel 2
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] cornel.atomei:
As a first snapshot on auto in indoor lightning, it looks like it's a bit better than your average s5, don't you agree?
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] cornel.atomei:
Will do that with the p20. But if it's anything like previous huaweis, it's not good news
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] Thasscas44:
Hi, no I didn't know that even existed! I'll give that a try next time I'm taking some pics and it seems to be getting the settings wrong. It's a shame, the hardware seems to be capable as I get occasional brilliant photos, but the software seems to let it down -I'd hoped the AI would mean better than average quick photos, but not in my experience.

Overall the phone is great - dual sim Volte with settings embedded out of the box for most networks (this was pretty much what sold it for me to ensure I got band 20 voice coverage on both sims), the everlasting battery, nice screen, etc etc but the camera acts like a single sensor average mid range non-AI thing, not the class leading technological advance I'd hoped.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] microhaxo:
Im not sure how you guys keep saying this phone is compared to the s5, and is mid or low level in photo quality.

Not trying to be mean, but I dont think you guys know how to take photos.

I can definitively say that its not top of the line, they do over process but its not even close to a galxy s5 camera, even an s6 edge. The mate 9 was on level with my s7 edge i had with exception to low light. The mate 10 pro is capable of wonderful shots.

Just look at the photos taken with a mate 9 when you know what you're doing.

https://robinwong.blogspot.com/2017/01/huawei-mate-9-pro-review-from.html

Maybe some of you would be better suited with pixel 2 xl's where they will try to correct some poor exposure composition choices.

Again not trying to be rude, but this camera is far from poor.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] Thasscas44:
I think you've missed the point a bit.

If the camera can give some great shots and there seems to be some agreement that it can, it's the software that makes poor choices and means that probably 10% of my photos on a holiday came out with faces completely blacked out in a variety of scenes. I've not had a recent phone with that problem, and on a recent trip out a friend's s7 had no underexposed shots whatsoever whereas I had loads, taking pictures of the same sorts of things in the same conditions.

For me - I want to be able to take quick pictures of friends and family without faffing around with settings else the moment has gone. This is the first recent phone I've had that's struggled with that and I'd have thought that AI would have helped outperform other phones. In my case it doesn't, its worse. If the phone has capability but the software can't unlock it, the AI software is a bit of a gimmick? If the AI can detect a face, why can't it set the exposure to be right for the face to be visible? I'm sensible in making sure that the sun or a light source isn't in the scene, but other than that, why can't I just point and shoot like I have every other phone in the last few years?
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] Hildr:
Plus the fact that in low light the post process is so agressive than even if you get the light right for a face, sometimes you can't even see details of the skin and barely distinguish neck and chin from the face...

Am I the only one to have issue with the AI thing for shooting food? things like lardons are too red and potato/bread really pale, I think I never got a picture with the right color when it comes to food. Standard colors selected.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] Simion Catalin:
tre truth is ..the camera on mate 10/10 pro is the most overrated camera i`ve had , the post proccesing is garbage
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] novastar1:
A surprising number of posts on this board echo your sentiments

Others think it's great.

Very very polarising camera

Maybe time to get another phone?

To me I get better results compared to my S7

And it's the only phone camera that I've ever had that people ask me for full res copies of my pics as they intend to print them

What are you comparing it to?
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] 0alfred0:
I think it is hella capable. Always great pictures. Portrait mode sucks tho so i use the Google Cam port with HDR Portrait Mode.

Love the night Photo feature took this snapshot last night its ridiculous!!! (I attached another Photo with normal HDR Mode for comparison, thats what other phones photos look like or similar...nothing compares to huawei nightshot.)
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] madphone:
[MENTION=8887286]0alfred0[/MENTION] Yes, night shot mode is insane!

Which gcam port do you use on the mate 10? i can't find a version without blueish tint in portrait mode, and with hdr+ working in normal mode.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] mmuntean2:
I found that photos taken to a person look terrible, no details, like a oil painted picture. How on earth did they pass this?? I thought the so hyped camera on this mate 10 pro is great but seriously, that over processing on people is a mess.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] mmuntean2:
You're not alone

I have the same bad processing issue when taking picturesof people. Just look at this one. attached. No details, oil paint effect, terrible quality.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] Hildr:
It looks like it got the focus on his sock... I got worse when my sister was blowing her birthday candle. But what is really shocking to me in your photo is the strong limit between th bright door and the black part of your furniture. It's really unnatural and the rest of the photo vanish behind this :(

Well, there is nothing more to say, really overrated camera phone.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] aerohp:
I've been more than happy with the camera performance
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] madphone:
I don't think it's overrated. it just has some weaknesses like all the other cams too. I really don't like the soft and bright faces it produces, maybe it's a desired look in asia, i don't know.

but i'm able to take some great shots with it. here some low light examples.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] csoonp:
I think the quality is not so bad , but some night shots photo do look like oil painting ...

Question:

Does anyone know the difference between 20mp and 10mp? Does 10mp produce better quality photo compared to 20mp(in terms of more details and better colour etc)?
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] mmuntean2:
I have tried with manually tapping where to focus, resulting with the same poor quality.

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Taking pictures on anything else but people, results in good quality too on my side.

Try to take a picture of someone, outdoor and indoor and check the quality...

Compared to Samsung, this Mate 10's camera is much worse in artificial light and with people in pictures...guess I'll have to go back to a GS or Note 8.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] madphone:
You can also try the gcam ports in portrait mode. if you don't mind editing the white balance and saturation, the results are way better than on any galaxy s. I still hope there will be a fixed gcam port for Huawei phones soon.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] mmuntean2:
I simply cannot understand how they passed such severe issue...? I do not have any problem with any other photos, but with people the results are bad. :(
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] madphone:
I think in their point of view it's a feature.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] microhaxo:
zoom in 1.1x before taking the photo and the issue will be gone.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] mmuntean2:
Tried this. Indoors, the result is the same when taking a picture of a person. Outdoors is a little bit improved but not much. Too bad, great phone, really great, but the software part of the camera is bogus.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] jimmygarison:
Really good work ........
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] alex_official:
My 2 cents on the Huawei Mate 10 Pro camera:

- on auto mode, things are OK, but not spectacular, the post processing could be improved, but also it looks to me like it is a bit down on saturation (especially in high contrast scenes). I mostly shoot landscapes and nature, and comparing this camera with the Google Camera Port on my LG G6, it looks somewhat desaturated (albeit that might not be Huawei`s fault, since HDR+ usually saturates the picture quite a lot by default).

- on manual mode, you really have room for taking some amazing shots, especially those nice long exposures, but it takes time and you need to be the kind of person which loves to tinker around (like me).

- other modes are also fine, especially the monochrome one, which has very good detail in the shots (the type of detail which would have been SOOO useful in the standard auto shots). Also, I can`t quite see any differences between auto and HDR mode (let`s just forget that it`s a separate "mode" - that`s so 2014), HDR mode doesn`t do a lot as far as I can see, but maybe I haven`t tested it enough.

Overall, it is a good and dependable camera, but as someone else said before, you need to know its limitations and how to go around them. It is not a camera for people who just "point and shoot", because they may not get a great shot all the time. I feel like Huawei could improve the post processing, but I doubt they will bother, as most smartphone users apparently love the "oil painting" effect or just don`t zoom at all into photos to see the unwelcome processing.

I still hope that [MENTION=4860033]Arnova8G2[/MENTION] or [MENTION=4798833]miniuser123[/MENTION] or someone else will find a way (and time) to port the Google Camera to Kirin-based devices so we can enjoy the differences that HDR+ makes (as it so obviously did on my LG G6 vs the stock cam).
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] wizard6601:
low light (Auto)
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] kanej2006:
I am VERY impressed with the camera. This was taken yesterday using black and white mode, no editing. Gotta love that bokeh!
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] impala65:
I love the camera...
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] microhaxo:
I enjoy the camera a lot.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] WaxysDargle:
lol that's such a great picture
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] rowihel2012:
also it has fantastic camera at night

the only downside is people shots

image processing with face details

extremely bad
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] kanej2006:
Thanks, hopefully I'll have a chance to add more photos in future. :good:
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] :
The second one was taken underwater in a Swimmingpool for kids. Touchscreen don't work underwater, I had to use the volume - button to take it.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] impala65:
A few more of my pics...
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] :
Under water with working touch?
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] 0alfred0:
Wow you guys love the risk. I see the IP certification as a life saver feature. There are many phones that break because of people thinking it is 100% water proof. It's not covered by warranty.

Be careful especially when pressing buttons it's always a risk.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] :
But the pics are awesome?
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] phonistic02:
I bought mate 10 pro and since i bought, i took lots of photos. I had lg g4 before it and i have been comparing these two. I understand that 12 MP lower than 16 MP, 4:3 vs 16:9 but detail is so lower than it should be i think. I think that's a software issue because there is more painting effect than lg g4's photos. I don't have a chance to try video but photos make me upset for now. (c432)
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] charliebigpot:
Agreed, I sent mine back, faces look quite bad/fake. My hope was that it could be fixed with an update, has anyone noticed any improvement?
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] Adriz_82:
Hi everybody. I had a Mate 10 Pro for two weeks now and I am concerned about the pics quality in jpg. I found that my Nexus 5x produced better results with higher level of details. Do you think that is due to the bigger sensor size of Nexus and Pixel dimensions? (1/2.3 + 1,55um on Nexus 5x) - Camera is an important factor for me and I cannot believe what I saw after all the good reviews on-line praising Mate 10 Pro camera. Do you think that the camera will be improved somehow? I am really disappointed by such poor quality in images. As a second choice I could jump on a Samsung S8/9, OP6 or even a P20. Do you think I will have better results with the cameras in these phone? I know P20 is mounting a 1/2.3 sensor, while I do not really know about OP6 pictures quality. Samsung seems pretty good. Thanks for the advices.
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] rowihel2012:
The night mode gave me great face details
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] phonistic02:
Am i the only one who doesn't like photo quality on m10 pro? All photos i take has some sort of painting effect and i am starting to regret buying this phone. I hope huawei will fix this problem
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] Grigorijs:
You're not alone. I hate this painting effect :(
[Huawei Mate 10  Real Life Review] phonistic02:
At least they can reduce it when light conditions is good but in every scenario there are always so much noise reduction