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[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Az Biker:
How about we just stop all the sabre rattling, and chest beating and just get back to talking about the screen quality?

Much of this is totally subjective to individual likes and dislikes, and it's apparent neither of you is changing their positions, so, let's move on :D

Not sure if you have received the Nov update yet, or you have played with a device that had the Nov update, but it is a dramatic change, and fixed the "washed out" natural color issue (among other minor issues).

I fastbooted the Nov factory image and it is like having a totally different device!

After flashing the update, I rooted and installed Flash's Taimen Kernel and use EX kernel Manager to further tweak the colors.

Suddenly, waiting for TWRP and cust Roms isn't such a pain :D

Cheers.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] BIGWORM:
Thread cleaned. Everyone is absolutely entitled to their opinion, but lets keep the back and forth off of the forum, and through civil PMs, if need be. Thank you. =)
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] robn30:
Gladly, I will be heading back out this weekend to check out how I like the November Update. My issue is the blue tint at slight angles. There is just too much variance device to device currently. I don't feel like playing the game quite yet. I'm hoping Google will openly or secretly get the problem fixed, and then all devices will be much closer in quality. If it takes too long to get there then I might just wait for the Pixel 3 XL and keep rolling with my Moto X Pure, which is a great device. We will see what happens.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] NWTSCL:
I have handled 8 different Pixel 2 XLs. All of them have had at least one of the highly publicized flaws to a heavy degree. Some have even had severe flaws that don't seem to be as common.

I have handled 13 different iPhone Xs. None have had any flaws that are even remotely close to the severity of the Pixels.

The QC does not seem to compare.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] whyme45125:
November update made big difference in color saturation. Even possibly lessened the blue tint a touch on my overly blue screen? but saturated does look too yellow/red wondering if we're getting a slider soon as they did say in december and other future updates they will keep making changes. It's not perfect but it's better than what it was and :fingers-crossed: for tomorrow's package, hoping I get a better (acceptable) screen. I'd have to agree with a bunch of members here that saturated is a bit too much and boosted not quite enough, seems like somewhere between the 2 would be damn near perfect. Boosted may be 10% extra and just a guess saturated may be 40% extra? maybe 25% would be ideal?? Just thinking out loud here.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Nephilim:
Then buy an iPhone X.

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But as far as color setting that's your opinion, not a flaw. Just as I love the way vivid/boosted looks, I think it's perfect. Both opinions. Sure a color slider would be good but as far as color mode goes it's not a defect.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] robn30:
Here is an article done about the display calibration of the Pixel 2 XL. Granted this is one device, but if Google is doing proper QC, then all devices would be within a close degree of the device tested in this article. Article also contains all the other portions of a normal review, but the display calibration data was very informative. https://www.techspot.com/review/1516-google-pixel-2-xl/page2.html
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Nephilim:
Excellent read. Very informative. Looks like an update could potentially fix almost every issue people have with the display. From what I got out of the end part of that article I'm assuming if they can jump it to at least above full sRGB the blue tint at off angles could diminish to a non issue for everyone.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] whyme45125:
i never stated color saturation was a flaw or defect!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Nephilim:
Nor did I claim you did, I was making a general statement about it. No need to get defensive.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] onishchuk4:
Just wanted to comment that my Co worker just got his RMA'd and it looks pretty much the same. His shift is about the same as mine but bit more green then blue. His build date is Nov 2nd and mine's October 17th.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] bradputt:
Does the blue shift improve if you add more red so the whites are not so cool?

I think the whites on the XL is overly blueish.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] blinkin:
Great article. But will it really resolve the blue tint issue? From what I understood he describes the color accuracy and not the blue tint issue but I might be wrong...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Nephilim:
Not sure, from what I got out of the last part of the article is that the blue is over saturated compared to the other colors so if you fix that maybe it could reduce blue shift as well.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Az Biker:
With the minimal blue tint on my device, it's hard to say if your suggestion would work.

The blue tint is a non-factor for me as it's only noticeable, for me, at severe angles and pure white backgrounds, neither of which I use.

I prefer a cooler blue-white to a warmer yellow-white anyways, so I'm probably not the right person to ask :D
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] KennyG123:
Thread cleaned again!

Please read forum rules before posting

Attacks on other members will NOT be tolerated

EVERYONE has a right to their opinion

Read it and move on, or post yours without attacking another's!

FYI...blue shift is not a bug...it's a feature :silly:
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] MarcianoS:
This is perhaps consistent with my subjective impression that Oreo Colorizer delivers much more pleasant hues than the monster "Saturated" option in the November patch.

By the way, the author of Oreo Colorizer points out here http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/10/25/oreos-color-profiles-work-pixel-2-2-xl/, another reason why our 2XLs look so bad: even Google's core apps (including the Launcher and Google Photos) do not support a wide gamut. If they did, the effect would be what you get with the Oreo Colorizer, but by default, and without tweaking the color mode. Ah well!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] luciusfox:
Very good question, but no. The blue shift isn't a property of the LEDs, but a property of the circular polarization filters.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] beezar:
Problem is that QC is not good and this varies by device. My first one had a noticeably bluer screen in general (straight on and not just at angles) than my replacement. So it depends on what kind of display they got when they tested the screen
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] harscoet:
I completely disagree for it being exaggerated. Sure, some P2XLs have the tint comparable to other devices, good for you if you got one of them. But for some, the blue tint is a lot worse than on other OLED displays. Mine was starting to show at 10-20% angles. It takes much larger angles to see it on the multiple Samsung devices I have tried. It's not even close. I'm not the picky type, I owned the device, I'm totally not a Samsung or Apple fanboy and I'm fine with the tint on those other devices given the angles it take to see it. I would have noticed the issue regardless of the articles out there and most people would with that severe a blue tint. The issue is real and not ridiculous. With the different user reports and pictures of devices side by side, it's clear by now that there are large display variations between the different P2XLs and people getting the worse displays are not being over dramatic.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] whyme45125:
Absolutely agree to every word. On top of that today I received my replacement device was disappointed to see that it's just as blue, except it's only the top half or 1/3 of the screen blue shifts horribly straight on and the rest is "normal" very weird. I'd have to agree with others here that it has to be something with the polarization filter application.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] tiny1055:
I'm seriously thinking about getting the OnePlus 5T as I've decided to avoid the Pixel 2 XL because of the horrible blue shift. The 5T screen looks great from the videos I saw posted today, although I'll need to wait a few days to see how the device actually does in reviews. And it's half the price which is a plus. If that device doesn't work out I guess I'll just keep the original Pixel XL until next year and hope that Google gets their act together with the Pixel 3 XL.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] robn30:
QC should have a standard and that standard shouldn't have as much variance as we are seeing. The three devices I viewed were all different, that's a bit crazy. Back in the day myself and two other family members all had Motorola Razr XT912's and they all looked the same. That device was from 2011 and all the displays looked uniform on the three we had. I really think Google knows they missed the mark on this one a little bit and are probably flaming LG. I waiting to see if the displays magically start to show more uniform results, and hopefully that means a whole lot less blue tint at slight angles.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] CPngN:
They're doing batch calibration. They simply need to pour a few more bucks into the operation and set up machines which can calibrate each individual unit. This is partly why Apple's OLED displays are having far better luck. All the color controls and whatnot are inplace, but clearly the factory cannot create similar-enough phones within a batch to get away with batch calibration. We have the same issue with calibrating digital power meters inside of our devices; it definitely slows the process down but is required for proper operation.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] BoboBrazil:
I forgot to me to mention earlier when I got my phone it arrived face down in the box. Worst qa ever on a phone.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Redrockzz:
Got mine yesterday. I had veeery much fear about the display on my device tbh.

I played around with the device for a few hours now and coming from a s7 edge I can tell you: the display on the Pixel 2 XL isn't that bad!

Colors are saturated with right settings, blueshift is there but it is reaaaally minimalistic on my device! Tbh the blueshift was one of my biggest fears with the Pixel 2 XL but after a few hours I already forgot this "issue" because its barely noticable.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Minos20vt:
Had mine for a few days now. Build date October 31. There's a definite blue shift, much more evident than on the one on display on the store. It's slightly annoying but not a deal breaker. Saturation is ok - slightly more saturated on 'boosted' than my calibrated work monitor, but generally fairly accurate to my eyes. Saturated mode looks way off to me.

The biggest issue for me is the grain. It's quite evident and makes the screen look similar in texture to paper. It's more noticeable on greys and light blues.

The phone is generally great, though.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] garywojdan81:
Does this have a pentile matrix? Nvm, it does.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] xryousukex:
It's supposed to be faced down, if you look at the holder, around the ridge it has notches for the power button and the volume that is meant to be faced down.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] BoboBrazil:
Ahh ok. First phone I've seen packaged like that
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jinsoku3g:
I don't see a difference
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] atomsmasher80:
The people that keep exchanging phones have some serious mental issues. I can understand the first time. But if you're on your 3rd or 4th replacement, and talking about another replacement, you need some help. I personally returned mine due to extreme blue tint. I'm just going to wait until this is corrected, and if it doesn't, then it's not worth my time or money.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] AndrasLOHF:
Here is a different screen "quality" that no one ever mentions. What is so different with this screen that with the same setup in actually worse situation now (on T-Mobile for the rebate but have no cell service at home or work compared to good coverage on Fi) I'm getting close to 2 times the SOT of my OG Pixel XL and close to 3 times my SOT of my Nexus 6P. I'm comparing brand new battery usages here as I never ever get battery life that other people get even when my phones were new. The SOT of this phone is amazing and in my eyes ok one of the most important "screen quality" attributes there are. I'm not the only one praising this "quality" either.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] TokyoGuy:
While I don't know if I'd go as far as saying there are mental health issues at play - some people simply have more tolerance of any given situation - I would more or less agree that after the second or third return it might be better to wait or find something else.

I've had similar situations with products where the defect was so "insignificant" that people I showed it to didn't notice until it was literally pointed out, and I've had significant problems like an actual chip in the glass around an earpiece cutout. Regardless of the severity, all annoy.

At the same time, I've gotten quite tired of dealing with QC-related problems. I just don't want to make the effort anymore and have taken to buying products imported by domestic stores that cost more than had I bought them on eBay simply for the ability to check it prior to purchase. Do I end up spending $50-100+ at times? Sure, but eliminating the hassle I would otherwise be dealing with is worth it.

The other thing I've resorted to is buying used phones from local stores. Just-released devices are usually slightly cheaper than new ones and Japanese customers tend to take care of their products such that when you buy something used, it's almost new anyway. Used also lets you inspect the thing carefully before buying.

For those who are really obsessed with getting a perfect unit, I'd suggest buying it from a Verizon Store so that you can personally inspect it before taking it home.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] NWTSCL:
I don't know how they could do that in time. Google told me that they do not give a new 15 day period for each. It just starts at the receipt date of the initial phone, then expires 15 days later regardless of the number of exchanges.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] whyme45125:
Correct. That's why it's been suggested dozens of times to just refund and then re-purchase to reset the return window.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] dinkoh:
Just purchased and returned (again). Build date November 1. The blue shift was pretty extreme, maybe worse than my first phone. Maybe I'll wait till after the new year.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mkouk:
We live in a world of Agile development and the concept of Minimum Viable Product so that companies can maintain short development cycles and ship products as quickly as possible before other companies gazump them. QC and QA are casualties of this methodology.

Google and other companies now tend to use us, the customers, as their QC function. We receive the product, we like it, we keep it...we don't like it, we simply return it. Why invest in vast amount of QC when the customers can do that for you.

The whole scenario with the screen is symptomatic of this. Some customers will not notice or be bothered by the blue tint and other issues so they will keep it. Overall, the amount of customers who return the device and the costs associated with those returns will ultimately be offset by the amount of customers who keep the device and the revenue hat comes with it.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] meboy:
Don't RMA under a warranty claim!

Return for full refund.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] robn30:
So I went back out this weekend in hopes that the Verizon store or Best Buy would have a device that they updated to the November update. No surprise, they didn't, so instead I evaluated a bit more. Again I found that 3 Pixel 2 XL's I evaluated all looked different, one had extreme blue shift, the other two were more moderate. The fact remains that the Pixel 2 doesn't have shift and it has a Samsung panel. I also evaluated 4 Galaxy Note 8's and S8+. All the Galaxy's looked indistinguishable from each other. Two were at Best Buy and the other two were at the Verizon store. They also didn't exhibit what I would call color shift, but maybe dimming at extreme off angles. If there was color shift it was really hard to tell. Furthermore, and this may just be my opinion, the Galaxy screen looks better the instant you look at it. Even in Basic mode it's super crisp and pleasing to the eye. You can literally adjust the display to exactly how you want it using the sliders and it has an adjustment for color temperature. The Pixel 2 XL needs all of these things! The Pixel 2 XL does not wow me when I look at it. I love everything else about the Pixel 2 XL but the screen just leaves me wanting more. The Pixel 2 XL does beat out my 2 year old Moto X Pure by a small margin. Pixel 2 XL has better contrast depth than my MXPE, but the MXPE was $489 and has a 2560x1440 IPS LCD. I think I might have to sit this one out entirely and hope the Pixel 3 retains all the awesome parts, but improves upon the display panel. Maybe if the Pixel 2 XL is offered at a super discounted rate I might give it a go and hope I get a good one. I'll check again soon to see if the ones at BB and Verizon get updated. I do want to see what it looks like with the enhanced color options.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mlin:
I've had teh device for about a week now. First thing I did was check for blue shift and surprise, it was there. Not only was it there, but it seemed more extreme than the display model I played with at Verizon. However, here I am a week later and I've almost completely forgotten about the issue because it never really comes into play. I really enjoyed MKBHD's comments on the issue and his comments pretty accurately reflect my own sentiments.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Yasharkhan:
Coming from Nexus 6 the display of Pixel 2 xl doesn't really feel so bad to me, there was a yellow tint on my Nexus 6 which I fixed by Kcal calibration, hopefully the washed out colors of Pixel 2 XL can also be improved by the KCAL calibration
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Corduroy-21:
I also have the MXPE. This whole blue shift thing made me for the first time look at my phone from an angle.

So even with a small angle, the white starts to fade, despite the LCD scree. I didn't mind it then and I don't mind it now that I saw it for the first time. Is the XL worse than that?

Because honestly I don't know if I should proceed with this. I'm thinking of maybe getting the Pixel 2 or the U11+.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] buschris:
this blue tint everyone is taking about, lol went to Verizon to check it out and damn what do you know, the Samsung had it that Asus had it, the Motorola had it the LG had it and the pixel 2/XL has it! I'm shocked! Even the iPhone had it
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] robn30:
The MXPE does dim, but doesn't color shift. Dimming at of angles can be expected but color shifting seems to be reserved for AMOLED displays, and the Pixel 2 XL is especially bad if you end up with a bad one. It shifts blue as described here in this thread. Go look at one and compare it to your MXPE and then decide if you want to pay more than double the price for the XL at 128 GB. XL does have many things going for it, but the display to me is just too important to shell out that kind of money, especially when they will learn from this and produce a better device for the Pixel 3. I'm gonna wait.

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Not sure I would buy any phone from that store. That's totally different than anything I've experienced in the 3 sites that I've visited in my area. None of the Samsungs had blue shift. The shift that they might have had was at very sharp angles but I would call it more dimming than shifting. I did not see the display distinctly shift blue at all. Your store must be especially bad or mine are just really good. In my opinion the Samsung is simply superior in QC and puts out devices with far less variance. I'm sure some aren't great but when I can view 4 different Samsungs at 2 different stores, and they all look the same, I'd say that's not a coincidence. Yet 3 Pixel 2 XL's at 3 different stores were all visibly different without looking very hard to see it, that says something.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Corduroy-21:
Unfortunately it's not available in my country, that's why I'm asking.

What I wanted to say is that from the same angle the MXPE looks bad too, but I never noticed it before this whole mega-issue because it's not something I usually do. I do not have white backgrounds when I look at my phone from an angle. The only white background is in the menus and then I'm holding my phone and looking at it straight. I'm not saying the issue is not there in the Pixel, but I'm wondering if it's so important in everyday use. Finding a person that has my current phone, like you, was important for me in order to ask if it's that important.

Now about the price tag yes it's very high, but when we got the MXPE it was not the best in terms of processor or camera etc. Anyhow, I'm starting to consider the HTC Pixel 2 more and more.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] robn30:
I would say if you get a good one, the blue shift might not be that big of an issue, especially if you don't look at your phone off axis. The display is better than the MXPE by a little bit, as I stated the Pixel 2 XL has better dynamic range in contrast. Some folks have been getting devices that exhibit blue shift at very slight angles, and it would be annoying if that was the case. I myself think the display simply looks cheap compare to the Samsung devices I compared the Pixel 2 XL to. Unfortunately I really don't like Samsung, unless they start producing an unlockable device that runs stock Android. Then I would be all in. Everything else about the Pixel 2 XL is fabulous, the build quality, the camera, the battery, and the 3 years of updates are fantastic. It's up to you to determine if the money is worth it. BTW, the MXPE, although not a top spec'ed device 2 years ago, was a steal at $489. That's what I paid for it here in the US for the 32 GB model. If Motorola still offered something comparable to the MXPE, I would go for it, but he new Moto X4 is a joke. Smaller screen and back to 1080P doesn't work for me.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mrcndr82:
May ask you how I check my pixel build date?

Many thanks.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] whyme45125:
http://www.imeipro.info/check_lg.html
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] brnhrd:
I am now on my second Pixel. The first one had two dead pixels and the top half was pinkish while the bottom half was greenish. The second one is a lot more uniform, no dead pixels but the blue shift seems to be more apparent in comparison with the first one. Generally the whole display looks cooler, even straight on.

Funny thing is that I thought the first one had bad blue shift and now it looks so warm in comparison. Really not sure if I can still trust my eyes anymore.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mlin:
While this is true, it's definitely more apparent on the Pixel 2 XL than on any of those phones you mentioned.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Nephilim:
That is true to an extent since it's not universally prevalent on every 2XL.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] EeZeEpEe:
Not every phone but it's a lot. Prevalent just means it's widespread, common, etc. There are exceptions but it seems rare.