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[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Az Biker:
Hopefully it's a store by store thing with the SIM cards.

When I bought my 6P from Google, Verizon didn't even carry that phone and I just walked into my local VZW store and asked for a SIM card and they hooked me right up.

However, I DID lose the VZW cloud, the ability to get Asurion insurance, and something else that was Verizon exclusive but I don't remember.

I'm curious how they will respond to the SIM request for a phone they DO carry, but don't control...

Time will tell!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] davidstjohn1:
So what if you take a T-Mobile SIM pop it in developers options Slide the OEM unlock Bootloader slider over shut off the phone and then unlock the bootloader won't that work?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Lawlrus:
Didn't on the original pixel, I know a guy that just got one, it was already patched 7.1.2 and he popped his to mobile sim in and it was BL locked.

He lucked out though and got a refurb from google that was running 7.1.0, even thought vzw locked the BL he was able to bypass it. Anyone that gets a vzw pixel that's not unlocked running 7.1.2 or later, is screwed. There's zero way to get it unlocked

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I'd venture to believe that this time vzw has it locked from the get go, since they had to patch it last time, as a company, why even give people a chance if that's what you want to achieve. Just lock it as soon as its made
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] bkrickles:
I also just walked into my Verizon store and had a sim card in 5 minutes for my 6p. Can I just use that same sim card for my brand new Pixel 2 xl that I'll be receiving in 2 weeks? I'm so excited to get my new toy and would love to not have to go back to Verizon store. Thanks in advance
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Lawlrus:
Yes, they both use nano sim
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Krusej23:
I think the only reason to buy from Verizon is to get a panda phone sooner since their site says delivered by Nov. 1st. The other reason is some might have a better work trade in deal. Otherwise, I would rather deal with Google's tech support and warranty support any day rather than Verizons. Especially after hearing that some Nexus 6Ps were being replaced with Pixel XLs when there were some issues.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] enginuity2:
Google Store says the 2 XL ships by Oct. 22nd. Is that realistic?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jbarcus81:
SHIP IT NOW!!! GOOGLE SHIP IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] davidstjohn1:
I ordered mine October 9th and and it just switched from processing to getting ready! I have an October 25th date as well.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] JimSmith94:
Where are you seeing the status switch? All I see on my order details page are my order date and expected shipping and delivery dates. Is there another page that shows those details?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] davidstjohn1:
I'll have to check and see but I don't remember I just remember before it said processing, and now it says getting ready I think it was on my Verizon app
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] JimSmith94:
Thanks, that's probably it. I ordered mine from Google.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] cwalker0906:
Where are you seeing this order status at? On the store site mine just says ordered, and I have a October 17 ship date
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] davidstjohn1:
It was on my Verizon app
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] zathus:
I agree very much with that first statement. I have my corporate phone and I just picked up an iPhone. Simple and I don't plan on messing with it. My pixel is my toy. I want my toy to be free. ?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Ayrow:
Newbie question - I am confused about the sim card thing. I've had the Nexus 6 (rooted) on Vzw since it came out and just ordered the unlocked version of the Pixel 2 XL. Will I be able to simply take the sim card out of the Nexus 6 and pop it into the Pixel 2 and it will work?

Or will I have to call Vzw and get them to switch the phones?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] wtherrell:
If both phones are nano sim slot you will be able to just pop the sim into the new phone. I forget, but if N6 is micro sim you will need to cut it down to size to fit nano. It will then work fine.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Larzzzz82:
[MENTION=3947487]Ayrow[/MENTION]. I'm planning on just popping my sim card into the new phone when it arrives and after I've set it up.

I took the SIM card from my Galaxy Nexus and cut it down to fit in the Nexus 6 when I got it. Worked out of the box, no calling VZW or anything. On my account it originally showed as a non VZW device. Changed later to non VZW Nexus 6.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Alxoom33:
Yeah, it would be terrible to have bought the Pixel 2 Verizon version and find out it has an unlockable bootloader like the Verizon Pixel XL.

I ordered the all Black 128 Gb, Google unlocked XL 2. Will ask Verizon for their sim card when the phone arrives.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Mike02z:
FYI.. N6 uses a nano SIM.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Ayrow:
Sweet
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Alxoom33:
So we can just switch the sim from the Nexus 6 to the Pixel 2 XL? Awsome!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] fletch33:
i ordered from Verizon a 128 Black and planned to turn it on with no sim and check if unlock is available and if its greyed out i will return it since i have time to try it.

the rep on the phone when i asked about unlock told me it was and placed me on hold while they confirmed it do to my concern about what happened with my first one which i had to return to get one with 7.1 to unlock and she confirmed it would be unlocked.

we shall see but i will end up with an unlocked version however i have to arrange it :)
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Gilley:
I ordered Launch day 3 min after the guy was done talking about the Pixel, just for ****s and giggles went on and checked the store today, they are shipping before the launch day order I did, so i cancelled my original and expediate shipped my new order so should be here Monday or Tuesday.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] fletch33:
mine arrives from Verizon Thursday morning so i will not likely be the first to report if the unlock is grey or not but i will as soon as it arrives

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[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Android Pay, which I use on a daily basis, is extremely problematic and hit or miss most of the time with an unlocked bl. I'm glad your banking apps work but do you think it's a great idea to use them with an unlocked bl? Personal preference for sure. But if you don't root then why are you unlocked? If something ever happened you could always unlock if you can toggle the switch.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] nyr2k2:
I just did a chat with a guy from Verizon, online. I asked him about the BL. He didn't know what it was. I explained to him what a BL was and how it functioned. I mentioned that Verizon usually prevents their bootloaders from being unlocked. He said let me check, came back about 10 minutes later, and said, and I quote, "Yes sir, this is going to be the case of the bootloader on this phone." Which I assume means that yeah, it will be locked down. Now I have no idea if that guy just pulled that answer out of his ass or what, but recent history tells me that even if he did pull that answer from his behind, he's going to be right.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mattd860:
I think it's a given that all Pixels purchased from a Verizon store or www.verizonwireless.com are going to have their bootloaders locked down. But the reason why I started this thread is because I'm not certain if Pixels purchased FROM THE GOOGLE STORE with Verizon sim are going to also have their bootloaders locked down as well. IF they are locked down, this means that Google is taking an extra step to lock the phones on behalf of Verizon. And if this is true, why is Google bothering to accommodate Verizon in this way? Why not let Verizon handle their own phones like they did with the Gen 1 Pixel? Is Verizon powerful enough to strong-arm a giant like Google into locking the bootloaders for Verizon customers who by a Pixel 2 from the GOOGLE STORE?

If the unlocked Pixel 2 sold on the GOOGLE STORE without a Verizon sim is truly the same phone and will work on the Verizon network, then what power does Verizon have over Google to force them to sell their BL locked phones?

I can't wait for someone who purchased a Pixel 2 with a Verizon sim from the GOOGLE STORE to confirm if the BL can be unlocked or not.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] enginuity2:
When I get the device what's the best way to make sure it's the unlocked version?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Gilley:
When you get it, enable developer options and then go into that and see if you can toggle OEM Unlock
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] davidstjohn1:
If the Verizon versions have eSims embedded there's no chance of a Bootloader unlock.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Alxoom33:
Why is that. Can't both be true?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
It's all speculation at this point. Within a few days we will know the facts. Let's just wait before we start all the theories.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Alxoom33:
To be safe I ordered the Google unlocked version. I don't know why anyone would risk it and order a Verizon version from Verizon or Google.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
That's an easy one. Financing. Monthly bill over 2 years vs paying outright or asking a 3rd party to do a credit check so they can finance it for you. I believe Google financing (outside company) doesn't charge interest but I know that Verizon doesn't. If you don't care to root or unlock it's a no brainer.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jon198027:
Getting my pixel 2xl today ya ☺️
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] fletch33:
ok so if its verizon let us know if unlock can be switched cause mine doesnt come until tomorrow morning
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Alxoom33:
IMHO, If you don't care about root or unlock you buy an iPhone or Samsung. Lol!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] keving75:
I just received my Verizon XL, pulled out the Sim. Started without connecting to any data. Opened developer options. No unlock available, greyed out.

Tried an AT&T sim. No change.

OH well, I back to Verizon.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mac796:
Did you order yours through the Google store or Verizon I was just curious?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] cryppie:
If you must keep the vzw version, the only sliver of a chance you'll ever have to being able to unlock the bootloader would be to never take ota updates and wait.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Alxoom33:
Are you going to return the phone?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mattd860:
Kevin, as others have asked, did you purchase the pixel 2 xl from the Google store or directly from Verizon?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Ayrow:
+1

:confused:
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] fletch33:
looks like mine will be going back as well. wonder how long it will take me to get a black 128 through Google?

looks like i can get $410 for my current XL which is easier than craigslist
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] keving75:
I went through VZW as I have a business acct. Only $350.00.

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I went in immediately and turned off the auto update. I have not connected to any data yet, not sure I am even going to mess w/ it at this point.

I knew this was possible, but worth taking a chance. I can return in 30 days for no cost. That is what I plan to do as of now.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] fletch33:
he posted earlier that its a verizon purchase
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Ayrow:
I'm anxious to hear someone post that bought an unlocked model from the Google store.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] mattd860:
I'm anxious to hear from someone who bought a Verizon pixel 2 xl from Google! I'm very curious to know if those are BL locked as well.

Obviously when Verizon gets their hands on the phone they lock the BL and then sell to their customers. But if Google is locking the BL for Verizon and then selling it on their own Google store without passing the phone through Verizon first then it will be outrageous in my opinion.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Gilley:
I changed my order like 2 days ago because It shipped faster than the order I had placed from Launch day somehow... so next monday/tuesday or so with expediated shipping
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Why would that be outrageous? They are simply selling a Verizon phone. That's what you're buying and that's what you're getting. Perhaps you misunderstand the corporate structure. It's to make money for shareholders not provide XDA users a means to compromise their phones.

Buy a Google phone if you want to unlock the bootloader. Plain and simple.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] raidflex:
I had a feeling this was the case. I also got the same deal through a corporate account. I couldn't justify the $500 premium just for an unlocked BL, considering we still get updates right away and there is no bloat.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] collegencmc:
So I just got my Google Pixel 2 xl VZW and can't do:

fastboot oem unlock

the unlock is greyed out on dev options. I forgot to take out the sim before booting it up for the first time. I'm waiting to hear back from Google support for my options. May have to return mine and buy the unlock version. Will update once I hear back from google. It does have some VZW app's but nothing crazy, just the normal ones.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Alxoom33:
I don't understand why you purchased the Verizon version from Google, when the unlocked version was available?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] collegencmc:
I knew better, but was just happy to get one at the time. Now I have to deal with support.....:silly::confused::p
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] keving75:
I returned my VZW XL2 today. No root option was a big deal, but I also had 3 instances when the phone locked up and I had to force reboot. I also had issues connecting to BT and was unable to answer incoming calls on a few occasions. This was in 4 days of mild use, nothing like my normal day of fairly heavy use.

I feel this phone was somewhat rushed out, out released without fully testing in real world circumstances. I hate that, but I will be looking for another rootable phone to purchase.

I think the days on a "Nexus" phone is long gone.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] collegencmc:
So Google is now telling me that the non-VZW version is the only way to get a unlocked bootloader.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Badger50:
And that's a surprise?? :eek:
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Slightly. I'm not sure why they are even selling it. I could see it if you could unlock since VZW bought phones you can't. I would have thought it would have been the other way around. Well at least we know now for sure.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] collegencmc:
So the only way around it is to return the VZW version and order the unlocked one. Waiting to hear back from them on the google home freebie though, I loose out on that right now if I order the phone.

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Yeah so am I kind of, I was going off this:

https://www.droid-life.com/2017/10/09/which-google-pixel-2-verizon-or-unlocked/

thinking everything would be okay, until I started reading this form. But now I know VZW hasn't changed, and is still jerks when it comes to unlocking it. They say that the phone can be taken to any other carrier (unlocked in that way), just not the bootloader. I just don't get why VZW is like this, and why Google was okay with it.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
It's all about selling to the corporate market. Verizon wants orders of thousands of devices per company per 2 years. They need to prove the device can't be easily hacked or rooted. They don't care about a few hundred users that complain on XDA. And the thing is you have an option of buying a Google phone and putting it on their network.

So there is really no reason to complain. As for Google why would they care what Verizon does? Why would they mandate anything to them?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Lawlrus:
[MENTION=2659927]bobby janow[/MENTION]

Guess the reps aren't as stupid as you implied then
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Even a broken watch is right twice a day.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] wtherrell:
Everyone has been telling you that from the beginning. The last Verizon phone I bought was the GS4 and I was lucky to have the MDK version that could be BL unlocked. Since then VZW has consistently locked down the BL even if you bought it from Google. The dePixel8 exploit was a lucky break but VZW quickly plugged. Very unlikely that Verizon branded phones BL will ever be able to be unlocked again.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
There was a work around for the S4 after MDK was patched. Forgot what it was called but you could flash roms and obtain root. But to say that a Google bought device is bootloader locked is incorrect. Unless you meant a Verizon branded phone, any phone bought from Google is bl unlockable, which is what I do believe you were getting at. I also think that since you could buy a Pixel / XL /2 that is unlockable then there was no reason for the devs to stress cracking the bl or obtaining temp root in order to do so. They just said it would be eventually patched anyway so, as you so very correctly said, just buy the exact same phone from Google if you want to unlock.

I for one was wrong. I thought the vzw branded phone bought from G would be unlockable. But now we know. I suppose it's not that hard for the dozen or so users here to switch carriers if they have problems with their policy.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] collegencmc:
Because its their phone! If that is the case why can't they put a warning on the VZW one saying bootloader can't be unlocked. Would have saved me, and the others wondering a lot of time.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Yes it's your phone so either you can sell it or return it. Problem solved.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Badger50:
I seriously doubt that the vast majority of the user population doesn't know, and doesn't care what a bootloader is. There's plenty of research out there to let the android enthusiasts know which one to purchase if you want an unlocked bootloader. Big Red is much like Apple and Sammy....you can have it our way!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Alxoom33:
Got my new Pixel 2 XL unlocked from Google. All is well!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] lucky_strike33:
You got the 2 xl with Verizon sim? And are able to unlock?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Ayrow:
Received my Pixel 2 XL from the Google store today (unlocked version).

Booted up the phone without the Verizon sim installed.

Ran Fastboot.

Bootloader unlocked.

Success.

FU, Verizon
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Alxoom33:
No., I got the Google version. No problems. Got my Verizon SIM from my Nexus 6.

Why would anyone buy the locked VZW version from Google?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jjoh243:
I have the unlocked Pixel with a Verizon bring your own device plan and I'm having hell getting it activated. I cannot use data or text. Any help?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Alxoom33:
Do you have a verizon sim in the phone?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] jjoh243:
Yes. Verizon mailed a Sim but something is wrong.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] busarida123:
Call them. It mined need to be activated
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Decree:
Could you not flash the flashall.bat file for the unlocked system image? And reimage it with the factory unlocked image? I guess im not smart enough to know.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Alxoom33:
No, not with a locked bootloader!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] TonikJDK:
The image is the same. They phone home to Google to get permission to unlock when they are first set up.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] nyr2k2:
So Best Buy has a good deal on these phones at the moment, with a Verizon upgrade. They then come with a Verizon SIM which is obviously a hazard. Anyone know if Best Buy is firing these things up before sending them out or if you'd still have the chance to pull the SIM and save the BL?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Alxoom33:
Not sure, but you are likely to wind up with an unlockable bootloader.

Safest is to buy a Google phone from Google!.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] nyr2k2:
Yeah, it just boils down to the fact that I still owe about $300 to Verizon on my current phone, and I can't get that amount in a trade (Google offers me like $175 for my current phone, a Galaxy S7E). Until I either pay off this phone or find some credit that makes up for the difference I don't want to invest in a new one. I might just bite the bullet for another year on my current phone, have it fully paid off, then move on the next generation of Pixels (or whatever else looks good at the time). I just don't want to be paying VZW and Google when I'm only using one phone.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Alxoom33:
That's a good plan! However, if you don't buy your Pixel2 XL from Google, beware that you will likely not be able to unlock the bootloader and root.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Alxoom33:
It's not the Sim. The phone comes with an unlockable bootloader per Verizon's specifications. If you want an unlockable bootloader but the Google version from Google!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] nyr2k2:
As I mentioned previously, I'm not buying it from Google because then I'd be paying Google for a phone while then needing to pay Verizon $270-ish to complete payment on my current phone. I'm not interested in paying close to $300 just to have the opportunity to buy a new phone, so I'll just wait until my current phone is paid off.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Alxoom33:
Lol! I know about your purchasing situation from your last post.

But my reply was not just for you. It is a warning to others who think they might be able to root a Verizon Pixel 2 or P2XL by leave out the Sim card. The Verizon version comes with an UNLOCKABLE BOOTLOADER.

There is no known or anticipated workaround.

You need to buy an UNLOCKABLE Google version from Google.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Questions & Answers] Alxoom33:
Although I heard that several people reportedly we're able to unlock the bootloader on the Verizon pixel 2 with the fastboot unlock bootloader command.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] furiardy:
Any One can upgrade o2 xphone ?
[Xposed General] CZ Eddie:
Sorry, I intended to post this in the Nexus 6P General forum.

I'll leave it here though, just in case it helps someone somewhere.

But I'll edit the OP to reflect Nexus 6P.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kmerrick:
How would I go about flashing this to a carrier unlocked version? I've tried wiith ODIN and it fails (no specific error given). I'm also not sure how to flash the userdata - does that go in the ums field? any help would be appreciated!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] norbarb:
I would not flash this to unlocked carrier. This will give you bloat.

Writing from the Edge of Galaxy S8+
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discuss] kmerrick:
Unfortunately, flashing carrier seems to be the only way to get 4gLTE, VoLTE ... at least on at&t