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[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] EeZeEpEe:
Yeah only took people complaining about it on the Pixel 3 and 3 XL for them to want to deal with it. [emoji2359]
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] 100rabh7791:
Coming from an iPhone i think the over all smoothness is good but there are still few hiccups at times i so wish google do something about it
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
OMG! Kim K posted another selfie with tons of cleavage! Rate this thread to express how quickly apps launch on the Google Pixel 2 XL. A higher rating indicates that even the most intensive apps launch quickly and without hesitation, even if they are no longer in RAM.

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
You're busy and don't have time to wait, which is why you need to stop reading this thread and get back to organizing your Pogs. Rate this thread to express how the Google Pixel 2 XL performs when multitasking. A higher rating indicates that the Google Pixel 2 XL keeps many apps in memory so that they don't need to reload, and that when moving between apps, transitions are smooth and performance is excellent.

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] cdig:
Gave a 1 star. Apps are reloading way too much imo. Not sure if its due to oreo changes, but dang, i'm rotating between feedly, discord, irccloud, youtube, sync for reddit and it does feel like there is a 50-50 chance of an app refresh. Giving me samsung vibes, which isn't a good thing!

Also coming from a 8gb ram oneplus 5 (that cost half of my 128gb 2 xl) doesn't help. Quite disappointed
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Migamix:
you ...person...need to be running a tablet/desktop for all of this. i run near the same quantity of intensive stuff, and have had no issues.

or run an N9 and feel the despair of @#$@#$poor mem management. (my wife abused (meaning she abuses it) N72013 holds up better than the n9)
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] EeZeEpEe:
Working fine multitasking for me. Feedly, Tapatalk, Hangouts and usual social media. Any reloads are fast and only if it's been maybe 10 or more apps ago since I last launched.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] MrWilsonxD:
I've had the same issue. I've had an axon 7 with 4 gb of RAM and it didn't redraw this much.. I love the phone, but there's times the keyboard redraws in the middle of a Swype, or YouTube redraws in the middle of a video.

I'm going to try a reset once the November patch hits
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Baldilocks:
I'm in the same boat. All of the stock apps reload way too often. Even with light usage.

Android needs to change the way it keeps apps in memory. I can pick up my work iPhone after a few days and every app is still right where I left it. It's sad that Android, with much more memory, can't handle that simple task.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] EeZeEpEe:
How many apps do you really need to keep in RAM? Mine handles 9-12 just fine. And with your work iPhone, how many apps have been open prior to that app that's been days since last open?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] MrWilsonxD:
I wouldn't consider this an Android problem at all. My OnePlus devices have the exact same attribute as that iPhone does with memory management (just on overload) can have 30 apps open and resume most of them days later.

My pixel 2, if I put this thing in my pocket with 6 apps open, they redraw when I pull it out of my pocket.

It would be barrable on a 200$ device. But this thing cost 5x that..
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] daindian:
I totally agree with you. My mate 9 Porsche Design is the same. Angry birds and and temple run 2 are still in memory since I played them yesterday
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Baldilocks:
I'll call it a Google and Samsung problem then. Because when the dialer, contacts, calculator, etc. have to reload just about every time, there is a problem.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] MrWilsonxD:
That's part of the reason why I'm rerunning mine.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] EeZeEpEe:
Funny thing is that the Pixel 2 XL and the latest iPhones have similar RAM management.

https://youtu.be/8RsbzuorKms

Feel free to skip to the app switching.

And the Note 8 does multitasking very well.

https://youtu.be/5ZLwWq9Lh3M
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] MrWilsonxD:
The day Samsung does multi tasking better than Google has arrived ????
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Baldilocks:
In my experience, it doesn't. Maybe it's the 8.1 beta, but it's really bad at keeping small apps in memory.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] techstudio:
Same here. On 8.1 and it dumps chrome with 10 tabs if I even load Gmail or Amazon app.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Hobox10:
I agree with the people saying it has to reload far too frequently. It really doesn't make sense as to why but it seems to have a problem.

I am coming from a Note 4 which only had 3GB of RAM and Samsung's rather bloated stuff running on it. It swapped out apps way less often than my 2XL is doing it. So it seems to be doing worse with more memory than my Note had, but besides that I think this phone really needed to have 6GB RAM anyway. I mean the Oneplus 5 and 5T now have 8GB options and it smokes it in multitasking comparisons.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] ins0mniac:
Samsung taught everybody how to multitask (yeah, including Google & Apple).
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] lima002:
I have iPhone and Google pixel 2 and I had note 8 and one plus and I can tell you 3gb or 4gb that's not enough to have good ram management.

Android minimum 6gb of ram and iOS 4fb
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] reawo:
in lack of a pixel 2 yet, did anyone try the background process limit in dev options, or even the batery optimizations?

if an app gets killed after screen off its likely to be battery optimized

correct me if i'm wrong.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Hobox10:
Okay so this seems to have gotten worse now. I was playing a game on my phone and I fat fingered the multitask button twice rapidly so it switched apps on me. It opened Facebook messenger. I IMMEDIATELY hit the multitask button again to go back to my game - it had to reload it again...

I was out of it for literally just seconds. Like I said before, my old Note 4 with a gig less ram than this phone was able to hold that game in memory for a long time. This is awful.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] applezen:
But then the OS in that old phone probably didn't have much features or resolution to manage. Also, that same game probably didn't use as high resolution or graphics to run as well.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Hobox10:
The note 4 screen is 2560x1440, nearly the same resolution as the pixel 2 xl. It's only higher because of the aspect ratio difference.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] EeZeEpEe:
Is the game reloading you described actually reproducible every time? Or was it just that one time?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Hobox10:
It doesn't do the whole "just 1 screen caused a reload" every time, but it is reproducible because it has happened multiple times, it wasn't just a one-time thing, and it does reload my game very, very often when previously it usually didn't throughout the day.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] EeZeEpEe:
Perviously with your Note 4? And "throughout the day" you mean you'll leave the game, go to a few app, then back and have it reloading? If your Note 4 was able to still load the game without it reloading after going through several apps, that's impressive. Don't think my wife's Note 4 was able to multitask like that.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Shan89:
It looks like it's pixel issue not Oreo.

S8 with Oreo beta doesn't reload like pixel and it's crappy beta.

https://youtu.be/nqZKsnzt8XQ
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] EeZeEpEe:
Very interesting. I always thought it was a RAM issue because of 4GB (Cause the Note 8 and OnePlus 5 have more) but guess not.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Shan89:
It's weird Google being the light system it's expected to be the best in multitasking v.s. bloat-fest on samsung which is expected to reload ...but doesn't even on 7.0 that is s8+ stuck doesn't reload it's not as good as s8 Oreo but it's no where bad as pixel.

Maybe pixel has good battery due this ...shuts off everything not letting it work in background lol.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] lima002:
I do expect that Google resolve this problem because it's ****ing annoying,

There's so many reloads , everything goes very fast but when we do multitask he reloads everything.

I do expect same changes there on next update.

Otherwise I'll change to iOS.

4gb that's not enough on 2018 .

I have 6gb/8gb phones and definitely we can see the difference on multitasking.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] EeZeEpEe:
You know iOS isn't any better at the moment right? iPhone 8, 8 Plus, and X all have reloading issues compared to the 5T, Razer Phone, and Note 8. Just check the SuperSaf and PhoneBuff videos.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] lima002:
You right, I have iPhone 8 plus and every phone that does a good job on multitasking now have 6gb or 8gb , that's clearly 4gb on Android or 3gb on iOS that's not enough.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Prey521:
Memory management sucks IMO. I could be in the middle of a game, say Candy Crush. I switch over to send a message in Hangouts for a few minutes, go back to the game and it refreshes and I lose my spot.....very annoying!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] alon3232:
All complaints are 100% right - never had a phone with so many app reloads !!! This is a shame - my previous U11 almost never had to reload - it is excusable but now my battery sucks too and I am on the latest march 2018 update - what is wrong with that phone ? People say they can barely hear me unless I kiss the device's lower speaker. Come on! I was not expecting this from a phone in 2018 - sorry but having the best camera on the market does not cut it anymore especially since the Camera Mod has been ported to other cyclops devices.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] EeZeEpEe:
My Nexus 5X reloaded WAY more often than the Pixel 2 XL. Battery life has been pretty much the same since October and never had issues with the mic whether on phone call or video chats. Also, ports of the Google Camera don't give you 100% Pixel 2XL quality. It helps but definitely not the same. Really, your post is more appropriate in a rant thread since it covers more than RAM management complaining.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] MrShibby:
I am very disappointed in the RAM management, the Pixel should be the best Android experience you could get but it can´t even keep 5 apps running in the Background. Even with "only" 4GB of RAM it should not be a problem keeping 10 light apps open at the same time. (not talking about games just twitter, reddit, inbox etc.)

For everyone that is rooted you can use Kernel Adiutor to set LMK to very low and add this line to your build.prop:

ro.sys.fw.bg_apps_limit=60

It is still not great but better than stock RAM management.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] hero_zero96:
absoutely :D one plus used to keep apps for weeks in the memory. Pixel reloads too much.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Hrithan2020:
Coming from a OnePlus 5, the multitasking is very bad. It can't keep two apps loaded at the same time, if one is heavy , for example a game or browser with lots of tabs.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] grifforama:
I honestly think this is android P. I've upgraded my pixel xl to pie and I get hellish app refreshes. It's so bad I'm going back to O
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Hrithan2020:
That could be the case, as i was always on P. I'm considering flashing custom ROM 'S. Just want something similar to the gestures in 9 or better.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Gungrave223:
It's not...I've had this phone since it came out and it's been an issue since day 1, android O/P makes no difference... Reality is that the Pixel line is absolutely crap compared to the Nexus line... which is why I'm definitely passing on the Pixel 3 when its "officially" out.

Side note great camera for a single lens shooter...
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Valeriuz:
I'm coming from a 5t with 8 gb of ram, too, and I think multitasking is terrible with this phone. Also OnePlus is faster when launching apps.

Don't how if the only problem is the 4 gb of ram or just a poor management of the memory.

Anyway, does someone notice a worsening with Android Pie? I've never tried Oreo because I own the Pixel since a week.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] EeZeEpEe:
I say it's about the same as it was with Oreo. It's a RAM management issue for sure. It'll be okay if I do a recent apps test and keep 8-10 apps ready without refreshing but as time passes, it's like it dumps everything.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] baristaman:
(edit) Sorry, butt dialed.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] EeZeEpEe:
Huh? LOL
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] 100rabh7791:
Still Spotify closes many times during other apps launch. For gods sake this is Google's own baby n own os still such a terrible multitasking performance
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Prattham:
4gb ain't enough mate
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] 100rabh7791:
Maybe, but Google choose 4gb for pixel 3 as well. So I'm sure they must've had something in mind.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Prattham:
Have you read or heard reviews of it? Pixel 3 has same memory management problem
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] 100rabh7791:
Yes I've. That's what I'm pissed about. Did they make such a huge blunder? And can they do nothing about it?

I've read the new vulkan api use less memory. That is my only hope
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Prey521:
Google's refusal to go higher than 4GB of RAM is one reason why the Pixel 2 XL will be the last Pixel phone I buy until they make changes in that dept. 4GB should not even be an option anymore on a flagship phone.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Prattham:
Exactly and i don't even have high hopes from Pixel 4 now seeing the s10, maybe Pixel 5
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] 100rabh7791:
Pixel 4 will have at least 6gb ram. That much i can say positively.

I just hope Google does not because like Apple! And keep listening to their users.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] EeZeEpEe:
Yeah I want some premium hardware features like the S10+ if they're asking for the same or nearly the same price for the Pixel 4 XL. If they don't, I'm on the way back to Samsung and getting an S11+.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
Some phones exhibit choppy scrolling, especially when navigating long web pages when multiple apps are running in the background. Rate this thread to express how you smooth scrolling feels on the Google Pixel 2 XL under such conditions. A higher rating indicates that scrolling is always buttery smooth, even when you're reading a 10,000 word article on "how to kiss a girl".

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
Some phones are great to take camping because if you play Asphalt 8 long enough, the back warms up to the ideal temperature that can bake bread. Rate this thread to express the extent to which the Google Pixel 2 XL stays cool under extended heavy use. A higher rating indicates that even when playing strenuous games for long periods of time, the phone doesn't get uncomfortably warm.

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] rajendra82:
This is a big improvement I have seen over my Nexus 6P. The ole Snapdragon 810 would get pretty warm in my hands on heavy use. The new one feels cool at all times. This has also helped tremendously in the battery life department too.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] HeroPlane:
Same. My 6p got warm too fast and throttled after 5 mibs of normal use. The Pixel 2 is just perfect, it gets a little bit warm in heavy usage like it should.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] denism81:
I play pubg constantly and I never feel worried about heat. Even while charging and playing it feels safe.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Xebeck:
Two minute queries-

1. Is the top speaker about 20 percent-ish lower in volume than the bottom one?

2. Recording a video for about 9-10 mins got the temp of the battery to 40.7°C when the ambient temperature outside is 24 °C.

Although it has fallen down very quickly after that but is it normal?

Thanks.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] EeZeEpEe:
1. https://9to5google.com/2017/10/23/t...bout-10-db-quieter-than-the-bottom-one-video/

2. 9-10 minutes of continuous video recording is a lot. I never record more than 1-1:30 minute segments. Anything longer gets boring or would get trimmed anyway. Even with multiple bursts in a row, it does get warm but I've never measured.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Xebeck:
thank you
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] ninjasumit:
Really? Using gltools to reduce graphics? Why did you buy a $1000 phone then?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] EeZeEpEe:
Sometimes a little heat is just perfectly fine.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] ninjasumit:
You forgot a very important point, performance. This phone is capable of handling heavy games with medium to high graphical settings without overheating.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mn87504:
My previous phone HTC TyTN (Hermes) worked perfectly well with my car OEM Bluetooth HF (BMW X3 '05) using varios ROMs and Radios, starting from the original VM5 to many cooked VM6 editions which I tried.

Now I purchased a brand new HTC TyTN II (Kaiser), which seems to have serious problems with the car Bluetooth. It pairs ok, but immediately when the actual bluetooth communication starts, the phone always reboots itself.

I have made a log of the communication using JETware Hands-free Extension. In the attached log you can find a row with strange character causing immediate reboot to the phone. The problem is not caused by Jetware, because the phone behaves exactly the same without Jetware.

From another forum I have found out that this seems to be a common problem also with another phone model which is T-Mobile Dash (HTC S620).

http://www.jetwaremobile.com/forums/forums/thread/394.aspx

http://www.jetwaremobile.com/forums/forums/thread/282.aspx

Any ideas how to sort this out? Which component on Kaiser should I start flashing upgrade/downgrade?

--

Mika

Kaiser ROM 1.56.414.2 Radio 1.27.14.04 Protocol 22.45.88.07H
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mn87504:
Update to my situation, tried so far:

- Flashed Sleuth's V3.0 with Radio 1.64.08.21. The problems persists, phone pairs ok with BMW HF, but reboots itself immediately when actually connected.

- Tried to install Widcomm Bluetooth Stack which is duscussed in this thread, but could not get it really work in my Kaiser. After solving low memory issue by changing bitrate to 115200 it started, but it was not able to find any bluetooth devices at all.

I just wonder if this could be a hardware issue not solveable by any software updates? What could be fundamentaly so different between Hermes and Kaiser bluetooth implementations, that one works fluently and the other keeps rebooting itself even with different roms and radios (WM6.0 and WM6.1)?

What might be going so badly wrong in a bluetooth conversation that Kaiser decides to reboot? The AT-commands conversations starts just fine, but ends to a long string with odd characters. (please see the attached log file in my previous post).

Anyone, any ideas, please? I have done so much searching on this subject lately that I probably can no longer see any trees in the wood. :(

--

Mika

ROM: 3.0 Sleuth WWE

Radio: 1.64.08.21

Protocol: 25.74.40.02H
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mn87504:
Updated car software

Now I upgraded my car computer software to the newest version as adviced in the x5world site here, the problem persists. :(
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Google Pixel 2 XL's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] serhiopinkoli:
as I know the first pixel xl has aperture 2.0. the new one has the same or better ?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] a.demarco:
I am noticing a brown tint to pictures taken in low light... Anyone else?
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Galaxo60:
Some quick shot from a walk in the park:

View attachment 4383611

:)
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] jrharvey:
The older pixel has a 2.0 aperture and the new Pixel 2 has a 1.8 aperture however in the pixel 2 the actual sensor got slightly smaller. It essentially lets in about the same amount of light as the older pixel but the new sensor is optically stabilized and has several other enhancements that make it somewhat better.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] kergefarkas:
Just two shots I made the other morning: https://photos.app.goo.gl/OjgKdsv94COyGOuj2

I have to say, for a smartphone, these low-light pictures are more than you can ask for.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Google Pixel 2 XL come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] mademan420:
Not taken by the "average consumer" but I have to admit, these picks are AMAZING!!! Cant wait to have my 2XL in hand to test it out! https://9to5google.com/2017/10/07/google-pixel-2-photos-videos-samples-gallery/

Updated link with Full Res Pics

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=WEdYT3BMNFZGdUlwQ0l6aEdFT1UwVlg2LUZESDhn
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] Minos20vt:
Sure, they're nice photos, but if you download them and view them on a PC with a proper monitor you might be disappointed. They're not sharp or detailed, at least not compared to N6P pictures.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] mademan420:
Are they showing being uploaded a full res?

Update:

Not sure which ones you were referring to, but these are the full res pics

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=WEdYT3BMNFZGdUlwQ0l6aEdFT1UwVlg2LUZESDhn
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] RagedElimanator:
Well of course there will be some twist to the camera. Once we here get them then, that can be discussed but, right now it seems a little early. I also really like pictures from the Nexus 6P the camera on that phone was amazing and can even outperform touted smartphone camera at times.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] georgiapi:
Yeh, they are not full res and when you reduce image size they will sharpen some, sometimes too much. As a photographer and Photoshop user don't trust or judge anything other than what you capture and display yourself.

Make sure your monitor is calibrated also.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] whyme45125:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BufkTMy-ZNM

P2XL wins hands down, so excited to receive my pre order!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] humdrum2009:
WOW

Look at this photo
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] rsbenedict:
Pretty awesome!
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] androidpixar:
Dunno what you're talking about, my PC is hooked up to my calibrated 50 inch Pioneer Kuro Elite and they look sharp and detailed. They're not from a full frame mirror less or DSLR.
[Google Pixel 2 XL Real Life Review] jtwlbz:
Its great better thab my iphone 8+. Portrait mode is amazing. I jusy wished it didnt have screen and audio issue when record video.