yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] arabbitte:
I'm happy to stand corrected. :o Infact, since I posted this, I saw some an SE rep being interviewed on youtube where he confirmed that this device has GPS.

I have actually spent a little time reading up on agps, know a bit about it and have used it - and seen it's benefits - on my Kaiser; I just never saw anywhere that agps is a superset of gps.

Ok, back on topic. With a screen resolution of 800 X 480 in a screen only marginally bigger than the Kaiser, how legible will existing applications be with the considerably smaller pixel-size. I know wm6 offers a zoom facility, but will this offer enough granularity to work in practice. At the moment my reading eyesight is perfect, but give it a few years (when my Kaiser will be put out to grass) and I'm not so sure ...;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ouminan:
From my knowledge of existing WinMo implementations of higher resolution screens, we'll be seeing pixel doubling for the standard interface, giving us what would appear to be 400x240 widescreen instead of the standard 320x240, except everything would appear much much sharper.

The higher resolution would come in handy for multi-media... pictures, video, etc would be much more detailed. Also web browsing will allow much more "viewable" area when zoomed out.

This is all speculation of course though. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] qualcomm:
It uses HTC-USB and MicroSD, probably it will be a TyTN III
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Brau0303:
Well....

I always said when Sony was releasing devices running on Palm (and they were cutting edge *Mostly* in the hardware department) it would really be great if Sony would go with a WinMo device. This is looking very nice but, it they follow their nornal pattern this will use some form of Memory Stick tech. I still like it tho.... :)

Cheers

BR
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] p3ngwin:
hmmm, i wonder if the Xperia uses Qualcomm's brand new MDMxxxxx chips.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
I think it´ll be based on Qualcomm; see my related remarks at http://pocketpcmag.com/blogs/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
It won´t - it´s microSD-based. Follow my articles at http://pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ - I´m at Barcelona and posting a LOT of stuff on XPERIA.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] p3ngwin:
i don't see any qualcomm references on that page, just a bunch of articles with some comments but nothing about the chipset.

can you link the exact page, or maybe paste the info here ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] XtreMe_G:
if u had click the link at the bottom that said "next page" you would have seen this
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JKingDev:
So based on that, does it have a gpsOne in the Qualcomm chipset? Because the gpsOne that qualcomm uses is capable of standalone operation. Is this a another case of sony reps that don't know what they are talking about? Does anyone know whether the device will be capable of standalone GPS operation? Because if it is not, I don't think I would get it.

Also, is the MSM7200 capable of running at 520mhz, or is it a different MSM chipset model then?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] p3ngwin:
ah, i understand now, you made a mistake on the URL you provided. i see the comments now.

the Xperia better have full drivers to access the hardware, i can't imagine the headache if this becomes common practice for use users making sure we get what's promised.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JKingDev:
That is exactly what this is becoming. Now every time a device comes out that says it has some hardware, everybody wants to know does it actually have the drivers to utilize that hardware. According to HTC and Qualcomm, a.)having a chipset does not mean all advertised features of the chipset are supported and b.)the specifications of a chipset are subject to change without notice. It is an outrage. HTCClassAction needs to proceed with a lawsuit because this kind of uncertainty is not fair.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bapssystupr3m3:
thats kinda gay...tats like putting the good **** in the phone and specs and then it turns out that none of them works...then whats the point of having those in the first place if ur gonna put it in a phone thats not gonna support it...but if they fix the problems that the kaiser has...its time to sell my tytn ii xD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] p3ngwin:
i agree totally!

it is irrelevant if the specs change between companies supplying each other, or when trading,etc. when the company sells it to the END CUSTOMER, they know EXACTLY what it can and can't do. so they should not be able to legally sell products that differ from their advertised specs!

i repeat the car analogy:

if you bought a car advertised as having aV8 engine, you expect all the cylinders to work.

if the company receives a V8 engine from it's suppliers but doesn't receive the "drivers" to utilize all cylinders, then DON'T ADVERTISE IT AS A REGULAR V8 !!

there is a reason for specifications...they say what it CAN DO.

if the Qualcomm MSM7X00 chipset has the hardware, but not the drivers to perform 100% then it is the company selling the final product (in this case HTC) that has the responsibility to let the user know the chip PERFORMS DIFFERENTLY FROM OTHER IDENTICAL CHIPS.

they need not explain the reason, but they certainly should be legally required to fulfill their stated capabilities.

that means if they say it has a feature or chip, it had better perform that very feature, and have EXACTLY the same performance as that chip anywhere else. if HTC's "implementation" changes anything, TELL THE CUSTOMER!

can you imagine this kind of practice in other areas of retail?

you buy shoes from a shop that sells the EXACT same looking shoe as next door, it is advertised as having all the features and performance, yet the development and inter-company trading meant that the final shoes DOES NOT PERFORM/HAVE ALL THE FEATURES of the same shoe next door.......marketed as the SAME SHOES, BUT ACTUALLY DIFFERENT!

HOW THE HELL IS THAT LEGAL??

you buy a PC only to find that although the specs of the chips are identical to another shop's PC, this one you buy doesn't document the fact that it is crippled in some way with less performance & features.......lawsuit waiting to happen.

i say get on with the lawsuit and make companies realize they can not and will not get away with this. the moment they are given and inch in such matters is the beginning of a landslide where they will be able to lie to customers about anything they want and we will have no legal legs to stand on.

hardware is useless without the software to drive it. if you advertise the hardware it is assumed the software comes with it.

DON'T LET THIS BECOME A PRECEDENT !!!

even if Qualcomm "suprised" HTC with their cost of drivers, and HTC weren't willing to pay the extra. that is no excuse to sell hardware with misleading specs.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
Just posted a brand new link & some great pics of the XPERIA X1 to http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/in...y_ericsson_xperia_x1_new&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Ayle:
Did they give a release date?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wilsonzone:
I am keepin my Kaiser.... looks good but I feel with a driver update my phone will meet all my needs. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
Second half of the year.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
plenty of time to add more stuff and make it better!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] p3ngwin:
do you mean EVEN better? :)

it's already got the hardware and features to make one of the BEST...if they can add some unique apps or make an attractive price (unlikely as it's a Sony), then it could be a cracker.

as it is i'd buy it right now as long as it has the software to use the hardware features (HTC i'm looking at YOU!).

if not this Xperia, then maybe i'll get a "snapdragon" based device around the same time later this year....either way there are some amazing devices coming out this year.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] srmz:
Whenever a new device is announced we are all so excited. However when it becomes actually available we get bombarded with bugs and shortcomings.

Just hope Sony Ericsson thoroughly and completely tests the Xperia and irons out at least the most annoying bugs.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
Just posted Part II of my MWC New Devices article, fully packed with pics & links: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1983172 . I've THOROUGHLY elaborated on a LOT of new devices – certainly worth a read!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tombrown1:
Just saw some Xperia's "for sale" and e-mailed this guy about one. Here is the response:

Hi

Thanks for your inquiry regarding the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 units for sale.

The units are: Brand New, Factory Sealed in OEM Retail box and Never Used

Each Comes with

Full Accessories

Unlocked(works with all networks worldwide)

Receipt

1 Year Warranty

30day return policy

100% money back guarantee

Special Offer: Buy 3 and Get 1 Free.

Price is: US$450 and shipping is free and overnight if in California and $25 to other states.

For Payments we accept Money Gram or Western Union to enable us ship within 12hours upon payment confirmation.

Send your full delivery details if you still intend to place your order.

Thanks

Ken Barton.

From: tombrown1@yahoo.com

Subject: Sony xperia

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:05:26 -0500

To: onorangellc@live.com

Do you have this in stock? If so, how did you get it?

Is this a well-known scam that I didn't know about? I also e-mailed another guy who claimed to be selling one - and he said it was in stock too - he said that Sony Ericsson had given him some for "Sample Sales".
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] regius:
Watch out!

Friendly advice: do never buy anything from people asking you to pay via western union! they can as well charge your credit card, but then they will be trace-able.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tombrown1:
Ahhhh...I thought there was something fishy. Thanks for the tip.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mcva:
Release date.. uuhhh year is 2009, february! Till then, there is no kaiser-killer. :-D

Source: http://semcblog.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/release/ (where you see the difference between the annouce date, and the actual releasing of the phone... or 'computer').
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Boinng:
You'll find that "Ken Barton" is actually some enterprising chap in Nigeria, just waiting for your money transfer. The text of the email is very familiar - if you emailed back asking for their price on a Whoop-de-doo Phonegulator X500 they'd tell you they had that in stock too, and it's $450...

Proceed any further and you'll find their international despatch office (and preferred branch of Western Union) just happens to be in east Africa.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Boinng:
If you read around the subject, you'll find that 2009 release date has been confirmed as a mistake on the part of SE's webmaster - the original H2, 2008 release date still stands.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JKingDev:
Nope.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/sony-ericsson-says-xperia-x1-is-still-on-track-for-this-year/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mcva:
I see, you're right. Luckily, there's a forum to straighten these things :-)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bronx31:
Just wanted to bump this with new info:)

http://developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=100340
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] p3ngwin:
some solid info there.

thanks dude!

this affirms more and more for me that this is indeed a great phone.

i've been looking closely at the video hardware acceleration feature since the HTCclassaction.org incident and wanted to make sure this SE phone had FULL hardware AND software acceleration. seems it does.

the other thing i find important is video recording.

i want at least VGA @ 30fps.

seems this phone can do it in more than one format as a bonus.

curiously, if you live i the USA, the device will be restricted to QVGA @24fps.

Quote from the white paper.PDF:

----------------------------------------

• MPEG-4: 30fps @ VGA*

• H.263: 30fps @ VGA*

• H.264: 15fps @ VGA*

*US model supports MPEG4, H.263 24fps encoding @QVGA only and not H.264

------------------------------------------

a Hollywood restriction enforced on mobile devices?

wouldn't be surprised.

i've been wondering why mobiles that long had the processing resources to record video at their screen's full resolution at 30fps, yet software restricted to QVGA@15fps.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bronx31:
This is why I will be buying an unbranded version. Hollywood, bah humbug:mad:.. Land of the free, hmmm
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JKingDev:
Hollywood restriction? Umm, I seriously doubt that. Probably due to the different US version of the MSM7200A to get around the IP issue.

Keep in mind this is an early version. The phone is not released yet so don't start judging it by the whitepaper yet. Things like the omission of the 1700 3G band (:eek:) may be mistakes or something that will change later.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Haxxxess:
Seems like a must get phone. Should I sell my kaiser now ? It should come out in what, 3 months?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sleuth255:
Interestingly, the "Today screen" in the center of the group in the promo clip shows something that looks just like HTC homeplug...

now, how could that be I ask you ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] p3ngwin:
i don't understand.

what IP infringement are you meaning?

also, how does restricting the video recording output avoid any IP dispute?

surely if there is an IP dispute it will be about the inclusion of hardware, and if the hardware is still in this phone then how does limiting the quality of it's use avoid IP problems??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] XtreMe_G:
relax boys.....like JKingDev said, the phone is not released yet, and if there really is that restriction on the video recording on the US version.......we always have xda devs to "fix" that for us dont we :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JKingDev:
I am not suggesting that they are simply restricting the output. I mean to say the US version of the processor is not as capable as the international version. The Qualcomm MSM7*00 chipset infringed on Broadcomm technologies inluding "video compression for mobile phones, walkie-talkie style wireless technology, and simultaneous communication between different types of networks." Qualcomm was required to create a separate version of all MSM7*00 chipsets to sell in the US (part of the reason for the delay in the imate ultimates that used the MSM chipsets). So I am guessing that the version with the infringing technologies removed does not perform as well for video. It was just a speculation when I posted before, but after googling what the infringing technologies are, it seems that it is most likely the reason. I guess Qualcomm can't do video without a little help from their competitor. :)

Source:

http://www.intomobile.com/2007/08/1...dcom-broadcom-wants-cross-licensing-deal.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] p3ngwin:
excellent information, i appreciate your time & energy!

After reading that info i believe as you do.

that the device will have different chips for different regions. it's the most probable reason.

the USA will have the legally pleasing "redesigned/crippled" chip. the rest of the world gets the better performing "litigious chip" :)

i've been dying for recording VGA@30fps, so unless some devices with performance and features like qualcomm's "snapdragon" appear by the end of the year, i'm looking at getting this SE device.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] aksd:
Seems like the whitepaper was posted earlier, I seem to have missed it. Anyway heres the download for the whitepaper.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] naveen:
that is what i was thinking. the kaiser is now a year old. the x1 verses the tytn iii is something we should be talking about when more info comes out.:D a win win situtation for customers i think!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bronx31:
Guess I'll start saving now.. This is going to be 1 expensive to for me:o I will be getting the non USA version:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Digitaltigre:
NVIDIA chip

Iphone killer this, Kaiser Killer that...

The NVIDIA APX 2500 chip platform is going to DESTROY all smartphones/PDAs! I posted about it on another thread. Here is the info:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Insaneboy:
18 months away though... :(

For now Xperia will have to do, and who knows what X2 and X3 might be. :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Rudegar:
"The NVIDIA APX 2500 chip platform is going to DESTROY all smartphones/PDAs!"

sure apart from the business segment and the casual non gaming user who dident pick their phone to play quake best ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fb.knight:
burn! :D i can see what he means though any advancment is excighting
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Digitaltigre:
I hadn't thought about that but I don't understand exactly. If you pick this up in a winmo flavor what do you suppose it will be missing? That UI they are showing off is just a prototype and I'd bet the devices will offer the option of the winmo standard front end.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] otheruser:
iPhone Sales, 2008 Q1 (in millions): 2315

iPhone Sales, 2007 Q4 (in millions): 1119

There's clearly a market for high-end non-corporate phones...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Rudegar:
sure i would get one myself if it dont suck the battery dry too fast :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] 4Site:
I took an oath to never buy another HTC product again, and i'm sticking to it, regardless of it being label HTC or otherwise.

Can't quite fathom why everyone is getting so excited over the X1 what does it offer the Tytn II? It fits in perfectly with HTCs policy of drip feeding us minisclue upgrades year on year, even if this means purposely cripling a device by disabling something it is capable of. HTC has just about admitted with its press release in the wake of Drivergate that it's aim is to get us to upgrade our device year on year without giving us much value for our money in terms of Technological advancement. Just look at what nvidia's platform is promising versus the X1. YaY i'm gonna get an X1!! It offers a small memory boost and a long overdue screen resolution upgrade, and (get this part) MAYBE, thats right, MAYBE hardware accellerated graphics (no confirmation so far) over my current device.

I suggest we have a lockdown. i'm sure 11,000 signatures vowing to never buy a HTC product ever again might get more attention from HTC than 11,000 kindly requesting they provide drivers for a device we already departed with our cash for (how messed up does that last bit sound)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] laakness:
Yeah, sadly as much as I love tinkering with all the awesome work the other members of this site do I can't see myself sticking with HTC for my next phone. Nvidia has my interest peaked but they will just sell the graphics chip. I'll be sticking with the Tilt the rest of this year and then I'll have to see what's coming.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Digitaltigre:
NVIDIA will just sell the chip yes, and it will be up to a device manufacturer to bring the chips power and abilities to fruition. We'll be watching closely for that. Don't count on HTC to be the one though because they would likely secretively disable some hardware portion and use a software workaround if it means more money in their pockets.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JKingDev:
What does it offer? Are you kidding? WVGA (not just VGA), 128MB (a HUGE benifit for those who know what it is like to use WM6 with only 64; not a benefit over the Tytn II though, I know), optical dpad in addition to 4 way key, 3.5mm jack, 3.2mp camera (and SONY cameras are actually good), great keyboard, good looking, 528mhz processor, MSM7200A (which uses 65nm technology=much better battery life). It has a TON of benefits. This is filling a void where the best devices should be. VGA+128mb RAM. That alone is the selling point. You can run from HTC all you want, but they are the only manufacturer out there making devices worth buying (imates are nice, but X1 is better). If this device was spec'd like the imate 9502, i would agree that it is a minimal upgrade. But it is worlds better. I was pissed by the driver issue too (I have a mogul which is affected) but what are you gonna do? The X1 is an awesome device. Admit it. You want it :). There is no alternative. At least SE is developing it, and they won't let HTC screw it up. And HTC can't completely f*ck the graphics acceleration again. They and SE know that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] prealphageek:
Not exactly a Kaiser Killer!

But a good try... No GPS on the Sony. How could they leave that out?

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1117&id2=733
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Rudegar:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/specifications/x1?cc=dk&lc=eng

look for the aGps part

also it have 512MB flash storage
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
Whats wrong with HTC manufacturing it? They don't make the design or anything, they just build them, and SE does the rest. I have been reading and some people don't understand that. . . .:confused::confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] magius:
I apologize if this bit was posted before, but before we all celebrate:

From an update on PocketPC Mag:

"Hardware specification-wise, they haven’t told me anything not present in the leaflet. The latter also contains the currently known configuration. When I’ve asked them about the 3D acceleration, they have stated they try to implement it, but nothing is for sure. (Read: it’s in no way guaranteed the device will have hardware 3D acceleration – that is, the official spec may not become fully implemented.)"

http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/in...eria_x1_info_aamp_photos&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

I am hoping one of you guys have seen an update to this. :(

The whitepaper just says 3D, that can mean anything.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] 4Site:
What a massive heap of hot air...

Please check the Tytn II's specs and then tell me apart from the screen resolution what exactly does the X1 have over the Tytn II?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Insaneboy:
According to this, its coming in August 2008. *yay*

http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/9017.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mchapman007:
Massive doses of eye candy for one...... :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JKingDev:
Try actually reading my post smart guy.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Noam23:
We all saw the Youtube clips of the Xperia, there is no way that the windows flow so smoothly without 3D acceleration. NO WAY.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Insaneboy:
On the other hand there was some lag with the UI when they pulled the qwerty.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jozer99:
Take a look at PocketCM. With some good programming, or prerendered animations (aka video animations), you can easily make the graphics look way more powerful than they actually are.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Insaneboy:
About this thread - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=381708

And about this video http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q9C3zUJIi1k

To the people in there saying that the xperia seems sluggish:

The woman there did say that its running on pre-production firmware and that it's a static demo.

I really hope that the real thing isnt like that though :P

And the fish panel is realllyyy nice!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Boinng:
In all honesty, there is NOTHING in that X1 video that I can't imagine the kaiser running, stutters and lag and all. While you can excuse everything with the pre-production line, you certainly can't use it as evidence that the X1 has the drivers, or indeed any additional speed at all.

The jury's still out.