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[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] duprade:
I personally do my best to help people, and always try to steer them clear of PMing or IMing ITJE... because I know how "annoying" it can be to receive thousands of messages from people on here asking the simplest questions.

ITJE, everyone here appreciates your work, and I hate to see you get upset because of a couple of idiots who piss you off when you work so hard for us expecting nothing in return. So let me take this time to apologize on behalf of everyone here and thank you on behalf of everyone for all of your efforts.

It is most certainly true what you say that the n00b will always be present, so I think that the rest of us, need to take those situations and help them n00bs hence alleviating ITJE's responsibility from doing so. It's obvious that most people don't like to read everything and search for answers when it's always easier to ask ask ask.... but in my opinion, that's the whole basis of XDA ... to help others. So basically, what we need to do is a community effort.

All the n00bs

out there, PLEASE PLEASE help us, by trying to help yourselves first. We want to help you, we will help you, but you need to do your part in helping us help you. All the information you could ever need is located in this forum.

USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION ON THE FORUM OR USE THE GOOGLE SEARCH of the site in order to search for solutions to your issues.

To the Seniors and Juniors

out there, we need to try to be more patient with n00bs... going back and remembering how WE at some point were in that same position. Let's not forget the whole premise of why this site exists and continues to excel in its purpose.

To the COOKS who donate your time, effort, and expertise. Thank you. While some people, primarily because of ignorance, may not appreciate your efforts, please know that we who have been here and know your efforts, whole-heartedly appreciate you and everything you contribute. If it weren't for you, this website wouldn't exist. I know it must be terribly frustrating to have everyone criticizing, complaining and it may feel like they are pissing on your work which you donate selflessly to this site, but know that the majority of us do in fact appreciate what you do more than we express to you.
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] vudu:
The search function on this forum is just plain terrible. Either that or I don't know how to search and will look forward to the walkthrough. But even displaying posts instead of threads does not help very much.

My two cents for those trying to search....use google instead and add "site:xdaforums.com" in the search box. At least those results are easier to look through.
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] itje:
Is that a hint, like..piss off :p (edit: I AM joking :) )

jk

I never said I would do that, I said the opposite.

I said I am a jerk cause im staying here.

I dont see what some call flaming of newbees

Its a reaction to lazyness

when sollutions is posted in the post #1 and 2, or maybe 3....written in big letters, and in a thread counting 40-50 replies, the same question is asked in about 10% or more, maybe even asked 1 or 2 pages after the answer or/and the sollution, then..well...

Maybe im not the most patient guy in the world, and I certainly have not tried to be either, but usually I try my best to provide the help I can or am able/willing to give.

And about that "Made it clear why im here thing"

Im here to share my work with all who wants it.

When I got my Kaiser/Tytn2, I decided tomove over there with my work, and sell off my herald. But I was convinced to stay and continue do some work.

And no one can say that I was not called a jerk, cause yes, I obviously do "flame" the socalled nOObs.

Most of it are sarcastic, but its also the truth.

I dont accept that my threads are spammed with 50% bull**** and the same questions over and over.

No matter what I write..Dont spam, read before you ask, use search through google/xda w/e

PPL DONT SEE IT

The jump clear cause they are lazy, they see the message, READ THIS, but they dont.

If I in.ex write like this, on top of the release:

There is a bug with MMS in this release, I am working on it.

Then there will be atleast 5-6 ppl saying MMS is not working, and telling me the rom is unstable because of this

Hell, I even had a guy typing in biggest letters available

WARNING DONT USE THIS ROM, INTERNETSHARING IS NOT WORKING (something like that)

I respect all who wants to contribute, to share what they know.

I respect those who dont know anything, but hangs around, download w/e and use w/e is posted here.

I do NOT respect ppl who comes in and claim they have used search, and not found anything.

Maybe my searchbutton is the only one working, cause sometimes when ppl claim they have been using search, and could not find anything. I tested and did same search and got many hits within 3-5 posts, and found what they had searched for with no problem....

I do not respect ppl whos first and second post is about the flaws in a rom they just downloaded

"I have been around for many years and know my way around the forums, and I know how to find stuff" and they got a postcount that say 5, and they ask questions that makes me wonder if they have a teflon brain, cause if you have been around xda for a long time, and dont even know how to soft and hard reset, then....

I might seam angry in what I have written, or sad, or w/e

Im not

Im just amazed..

cause im a jerk :p

:D
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] robosiris:
Totally irrelevant but Itje, you remind me of my best friend of 17 years and he lives 1,500 miles away from me. :p. He'll say things that sound crude and mean, but underneath, he's truly genuine and warm hearted. My point is that you're a softy :D. Just joking.
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] Kelvino9:
I lately tend to simply ignore questions which I'm sure I have seen a few pages ago or very very close at the beginning.

I fully agree with Itje that it is pure laziness if somebody says he read the thread or spent some time in solving his problems

if the solution to the question is written in the first, second or third post or maybe still on the first page.

It feels like a slap in the face and has the taste of a being lied to, so I rather ignore those person/question and

wish that others who once asked the same question jump in for help and give something back to the forum.

That's the spirit of this forum.

PS: I dont like flaming either, but often it's totally understandable, but still it's wrong.
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] iamodogg:
No offense.. but i've been around here for a long time. I don't post a lot, but I do a lot of reading. I also have been active on many many different boards. What gets me about this board and many others is that some people think they have a whole bunch of clout just because the post a lot.. well whoopty freakin doo..

In regards to the search subject: searching here is a pain in the arse. Nobody's topics are clear, and you can describe what you are looking for in a million different ways. So, what you are trying to fix will not be fixed. The only thing that would be lovely to see change would be to see the flamers come down off their high forum poster horses and join the rest of us on Earth.

Start flame now... :)
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] iamodogg:
<drunk rant>

To follow up with my claims about topics.. here is an example that caused me to ask for help. This topic:

Sticky: A Herald's Guide to Flashing Aserg, USPL and HARD-SPL

Ok.. so I had done Open Touch 2.3 or something and taken a few weeks from reading the forums and I come back and Open Touch 2.7 was just an NBH file.. so i read the wiki, which leads you to dead links, or at least it did that week when I was trying to figure this out. But here is my issue with that topic.. I look at that I and I think.. "Flashing Aserg" In my mind I think, that's not for me, I don't want or even know what ASERG is, nor USPL nor Hard SPL.. I'm looking for "NBH" right?? Nothing helpful came up. Try searching in the Herald forum for "how to flash nbh" see what you get... unless it's a very specific string you are looking for, good luck.

A fix to that topic? how bout: Sticky: A Herald's Guide to Flashing --using-- Aserg, USPL and HARD-SPL

That would have at least got me into that subject.. and guess what.. there the answer I needed lies.

I finally got it thanks to duprade and ttran001 in this thread that i hijacked: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=362986&page=2

Neither of them flamed.. good dudes.

</drunk rant>
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] papamopps:
So just to keep you all informed.

Not only in forums but also in Moderator-Talk we are discussing the problem of flaming...

... and there are several point of start...

- more and more people wnat ALL for free and want it personalized to themselfe (like all around the world in "real life"

- reading is time = time is money = all for free = no reading...

- xda is GROWING - when you can get a XDA TErra for 40€ with contract also "young" (i mean yound brains" start buying a PPC for chatting and all that..... But aren´t used to read... jk

- blaming is on of the BEST FREETIME game: see "Big Idol", "Superstar" or ALL the castingsshows round the world.

So what I want to say... the world is getting worse - and that wouldn´t take a break on XDA-dev.

BUT all have to work on it.

Flar - our admin - is working on the searchfunction!!!!

Cookers - maybe the releases must have BIG letters!

Moderator - please don´t take part on flaming and advise other who are blaming

Seniors - please keep helping each other

Noobs - pleas read, read, read

AND to ALL: Please let´s start to keep threads clean again...

A thread with 200post and 20 pages BEFORE the rom is released is NOT the way it should be...

And posts like:

1.: "You are releasing - great"

2.: "I´m downloading"

3.: "Flashing process 80%"

4.: "Flashing 99%"

5.: "Booting"

6.: "I will test...."

7.: "I will report..."

8.: "SO after testing for a while I found ......"

I think to start with post #8 would be the best way to keep threads clean...

Thanks.
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] zcink:
Not sure if Ignoring is the answer ....................

If those who know just ignore the questions, then Only Noobs will answer Noobs..........

And if a Noob follows a Noob then both will fall into a pit.
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] itje:
yeah, Im a soft Jerk :p
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] itje:
If we use all our focus on answering the same questions over and over again, then we would spend less time cooking and figuring out the socalled bugs.

your loss...

But from what I understand, in you guys oppinion, we are supposed to answer everyone, no matter what, no matter how many times the same question is asked in a thread, and even if there is a thread with the sollution, maybe even a sticky?

You suggest that we give them a link to the post containing the answer, are we supposed to keep a Favourite list with a link to all answers we have supplied? and that we scroll through it to find the right one and post it?

Or maybe we could use search function? yeah wow, lets do all the work for the newbees...

NO MATTER what I write...its wrong

If I tell them to search, to use either google or searchfunction, they all claim to not find it (most do)

If I guide them to the answer, they keep coming asking next time, and next time and next time. Because they get the answers with no work trying to find it.

This might sound harsh or w/e

But every time I do try to help ppl out, they start adding me to msn, and pm me all the time asking for help and a personalized rom. They start acting as we are old time buddies, and whats next step? Im gonna be everones personal chef?

so im sure you wiseguys have a answer for that to, im sure. But thats because you just dont have a clue what this is all about.

Sure you help out with diffrent issues, and talk nicly to the newbees, thats totally cool with me.

Im sure you even like it, and that nice too.

Maybe we could call it "your function here"

and then I must add, thats not my function here.

Im no good with the "nOOb's" asking the same over and over (....)

A while back I was told (when a similar topic was brought up) just ignore them, and many agreed.

Basicly, thats not an option anymore either

SO, what I figure from all this, is that no matter what I do, im a jerk if I state what I feel in the matter, im a jerk if I ignore the questions.

The biggest problem beeing a person that help everyone out, is that more and more ppl comes to you, because you get a reputation that you are nice, helping and commited. But how much can a person contribute?

to be honest I feel that I am in a situation where I wish I could just cut all this out, I feel that no matter what I say or do, it tends to lead the wrong way.

I love making roms, its a great hobby. I like to help out, but I really dont have the time to get involved personally with everyones issues, everyones new fantastic ideas and cook a personal rom with this or that added, or this and that removed

Im not a bad guy, im not a angry pissed of guy who flames everyone who ask for my help. I have guided many on msn, mail and pm.

I try to look into the problems reported in my roms, and I try fix it. Even if I dont give a answer always to reporte bugs, I do note them, and I try to fix.

But I do have a family, I do have a job, and I do have other interests besides rom cooking.

Occationaly the cup runs over, we get tired of repeating ourself, and we answer in a sarcastic way.

im taking a break from this.

have fun all
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] Kelvino9:
Of course ignoring is the best answer, but it helps me from starting giving harsh answers.

I rather say nothing if I'm pissed than start blaming and complaining.

Instead of offending the person I rather keep quiet and really hope that people

who get the exact answer once assist with the same answer.

It has nothing to do with noobs helping noobs. It's more about sharing the same spirit to the whole community,

I really don't understand why only a group and always the same has to stand here and help, help, help.

None of us bought the knowledge with buying a PPC, we all sent down and read, read, read.

Things are free here, so the very least people can do is read.

One thing I really would like to see is, that we all should collect the bugs and solutions found over time

and pass it over to the moderator and/or cook to combine them on teh first page as those post are reserved already.

Like this you really can answer the so called stupid question with look in post #3 for the issue.

Like this we could keep the thread clean with all the bull**** as papamopps described.

And since I'm also one of those thread trashers who writes those useless "Thanks for the release" or "Your ROM looks awsome" posts

I will stop with that but try to give more constructive comments.

And even we seniors are not all knowing, I still learn a lot while hanging out here.

Post counts means nothing else than the activeness of a member does not necessarily reflects his knowledge about PPC.

And just like in real life, you don't approach a group of stranger who are in a conversation and start talking or even ask questions.

You listen first and slowly move along the conversation.

That's common etiquette and not just for grown ups also for the younger folks.

Those are common manners around the world.

We are all no employees of XDA-DEV we are all volounteers, so we really deserve the right whether to answer or not.

If we get paid for this I will even tell time and the weather forecast if that's the question ask ;)

As long I'm here in my FREE time I choose whom to answer and whom not.

Cheers
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] Kelvino9:
@ Itje

101% behind you thoughts, I prefer being called a jerk too and stick with you guys. Having a good time here is more important for me and if I can only achieve that with ignoring some others, then it's a fair and low price.
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] zcink:
I understand all the frustration over this. I apologize if my comment offended anyone. I was half joking. When I first came here, I had question and was just ignored. I always appreciated any help I got no matter how silly. Even now I find it difficult to search here.

I still think the search engine here should be tweaked so its easy to use and goes right to the right threads. One day I read 29 threads before I got the answer to the question I was searching for. I can see why people just ask -- it is irritating to some but easier for those seeking the answers.

anyway, yeah I guess you can just ignore the questions. I mean nobody is obligated to answer anyone.
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] Kelvino9:
I think it just got a little hot in here and everybody had to release some pressure.

I do understand your point of view as I really find this forum's search engine a real PITA, too.

Other forums with the same software are much more efficient in indexing and putting out the appropriate threads.

Anyway enjoy the rest of the weekend;)
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] papamopps:
@ itje - and all other

I made an announcement on top of each subforum that is nearly the same itje posted as i was writing the announcement....

Haha

Finding things out by themsefe makes people happy.

Beeing lead to a psot with a soulution which is part of an development of a thread... makes people unhappy because they don´t understand the work behind the fix-solution...

Read the announcement. I will see 1000 views in 1 week :D
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] papamopps:
The search is beeing modified by admin at the moment!
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] Kelvino9:
That's good info, I hope this solves some of the tension on xda-dev
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] iamodogg:
Well said.. I think this is a big part of it all.. If you don't have something worthwhile to contribute.. don't post.

I wish I was as brainy as half of the developers/cookers here, yet i'm not, and won't be, therefore I donate from time to time and keep my mouth shut. And searching through 200 posts of nonsense to find an answer is frustrating.

Yet, I also agree that the world is getting worse.. If you don't want to answer a noob, just don't answer, no need to be a flamer. It takes equal amounts of time u know? (answering vs flaming). You won't change the world by flaming a noob in hopes of ending noob questions.. they will continue regardless of your efforts! And don't forget what goes around comes around.. right?
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] Ayerthon:
This forum has to be like:

www.tweakers.net

It is a dutch forum which they are very strict on people showing effort before they post anything.

We got to be like them :D I once showed up on that tweaker's forum as a noob. And posted my first question there. And I got yelled at every side saying how little effort i was showing to the moderators!! :P

Well mods...and cooks....And anybody with some effort. Don't be easy on noobs. Give them the hardest when they show no efforts!!!!!!!

:D
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] robosiris:
Flame me if you want, but it's really disheartening and disempowering when one our best chefs goes on a sabattical. If this topic is that deep, maybe opening a subforum specifically just for complaints would suffice instead of having multiple threads flooded with complaints and gripes. I hope from all this somethiing productive will happen.

But anyhoo, Itje, I don't blame you if you take a break for as long as you need to. I would too if I were in your shoes. When you return, I'm pretty sure your loyal followers and supporters will welcome you back with open arms (and heralds :D).

And Itje, don't change who you are for real, you shouldn't have to change for no one :cool:. I'm done with this (topic) as well. I need a drink.:cool:
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] bugsy714:
I think people can forget how intimidating it is to be a n00b, when I first came here and asked a question I was VERY appreciative of those who took the time to steer me in the right direction. N00bs really have no sense of what is "common knowledge" and what are new & unanswered questions so they ask seemingly stupid questions. They also don't realize that with a few days of reading the wonderful tutorials they can get up to speed quite fast.

The flip side of this is when n00bs want to be spoonfed every last detail and seem to put in no work at all. My personal pet peeve is when n00bs don't read the first page of the thread which has been painstaking updated by the chefs/mods/original poster, or better yet when they ask a question that was just answered two posts above...there is no excuse for that except laziness and wanting to be spoonfed.

The community members here at XDA are REALLY cool people with a passion for helping others. The world would be a much better place if there were more people like this.

Lastly; many thanks to those who volunteer your time for the good of the community, you deserve nothing but praise and respect fo your efforts!
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] diffrnt:
Ok this is my first post. First of all I want to thank all of the knowledgeable people on this forum. I have learned so much about my phone (TMo Wing) by using this forum. I am definitely a newbie. I did not know that you could do so much with this phone. The way I found out was a lot of reading. I searched and read through countless of posts and stickies. I like to know about things before I mess with a $300 phone. I enjoy my phone so much more now. But I was scared as you no what to flash my phone. I made sure that if I did something wrong I could go back to the original rom. I now find myself using some of the terms on here to explain (rather show off) to my friends. So I say thanks again! Oh by the way, I am using ttran001’s Open Touch v3.0 WM 6.1 Biggy along with A_C’s S2U2 v0.99c and I love it! :D
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] theformula:
I remember when I got my first smartphone, the Audiovox smt5600 (typhoon) this was a very young community with many questions and few answers. I for one am grateful for all the people in this community that have taken the time to master the inner-workings of each new generation of device and provide a place to discuss roms, patches, fixes, upgrades, etc, etc... If I were stuck with the factory roms on my shiny battery operated friends then many of them would have been sent back immediately.

For instance, if there wasnt a way to turn off sms sent notification, I for one would have sent my wizard WHIZZZZZING through the air into the roundfile. I found that fix HERE, and love the fact that this community exists.

To all the chefs: You ROCK. Keep the good roms rollin!

To the mods: You do a great job keping the peace and directing noobs to the pertinent information. ROCK On!

To all the n00bs: Try to find the information on your own first, then post and at least try to reference relevant threads that MAY be lacking the one piece of information you require. Please don't ask to be spoonfed on a developer forum.

I for one think the search function is somewhat lacking, which is why i'm grateful that google search is so damn good. Maybe we can replace the site search with a google search box in the header?
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] nyitalian718:
hey i will speak on behalf of the noobs as i myself am pretty much a noob...

i didnt ask questions i kinda lurked for a while before i started posting anything.. and from that i learned alot.. at the same time i was lurking i also horded information and put together the thread that became my first sticky to help other people out..

so i guess that kinda takes my noob title away that i used the search and read COUNTLESS topics...

also the new noobs [post wing name being added] have it alot easier when i joined i didnt know for a week that the wing and heral were one in the same
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] aron4588:
i try my best just look at my posted. Itje i know ur a nice guy. But am getting tired of people that complain about mms.mms always work for me