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[Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers] chesterr:
It's really sad and bit disappointing. I think most of the stuff they were saying true.
[Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers] Phat-T:
Couldn't care less. I didn't buy this phone for it's camera
[Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers] dd6626:
Come on Sony... 83

Come on Sony'

I bought the XZ Premium because I already own Sony cameras. Sony is obviously the leader in sensor technology and by teaming up with Zeiss there should be no questions about the hardware. So... That only leaves one thing. Software! Apple uses Sony Sensors. Samsung likewise. Even Huawei. So we know their sensors are no better, it must be the software. Please Sony, get off your arrogant asses and give us something that's competitive. I know this 83 could be brought up to 93 if you can just give us a new update and a little software support.
[Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers] smitrovic:
I guess that wont happen ever, because Sony needs to save digital camera market tho. If they made this camera use all potential, they wont sell any 200-400 euro digital cameras.
[Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers] Katsigaros:
The initial purporpose of dxomark is to diminish any phone that lacks a second lens for bokeh and zoom and from the other side to favor the phones that have it. So i cannot take this test into consideration because it lacks any professionalism and puts double standards.
[Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers] jms.flynn:
I know people love slating DXoMark with remarks like "Sony no paid dxomark= dxmark trolling Sony." I also know that we can't say if that is true or not but to be honest we don't even need DXoMarks score. The camera is poor compared to 2017 flagships. Just take an objective look and test for yourself. The problem on this forum is that people are so blind sighted and such massive fanboys they can't step back and go wow yeah this is awful. I spend £649 on this phone sim free and I understand a lot of people have done the same and want to back up the purchase with claims like the above.

The point of the matter though is that Sony's whole marketing for this thing was the camera and weather you look at a DXoMark score or not, it is not up to scratch . Its low light performance is miles of the competition, the dynamic range is shockingly bad compared to phone like the Pixel, Galaxy S7 or iPhone 7 all of which where released last year. Not even looking at the quality of the photos there is also many other issues such as camera distortion etc.

I just wish Sony would acknowledge these issues and say "Hey we are working on it" but they don't. What i would also like is a camera 2 API so at least we can use another camera app.
[Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers] Katsigaros:
Then go and pay 1200 pounds to get your iPhone X to shoot in auto mode, and let the people who know about photography to shoot better photos in manual mode with almost half the price.
[Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers] WildBit:
You can use other camera apps, just not the free versions. If you can handle a couple of euros for Camera Zoom FX you will find that the camera is not as you describe it!!! By any chance have you unlocked your bootloader? I'm sure you know that currently there is no way to backup your TA partition wich means the loss of your DRM unique key which enables camera features, and more.

I've been an xperia fan for a long time and finally Sony are releasing sw updates more frequently and this handset will get Oreo once the sony team puts it together. This will transform this handset which has great HW, as all xperia handsets
[Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers] jms.flynn:
Wasn't really my point was it. You can go buy a year old S7 or LG G6 and shoot in manual mode or in auto mode and smash the Sony out of the water.

And if you want a more stock android experience buy a Moto G5 Plus and that also beats the Sony.

The reason I know is because i have them. The way the sony was sold with improved lens, better low light due to bigger pixel size and hybrid auto focus this was supposed to be a beast of a camera. Which it isn't, not even close.

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Lets hope so, I am a huge Sony fan and want them to succeeded. I've had all the xperia's since the z3 compact. I just want a camera experience which is as good as the rest of the software and hardware.
[Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers] Dragoore:
This new DXO formula is idiotic... It gives adventages to dualcam phones.

whats the point of doing bokkeh test if there is actually no bokkeh...It should be a feature, it should not affect the score, because many other phones have their own features which are not measured by DXO tests.

for example. XZP has no bokkeh, but it has wider lens, which is a big advantage for me, but there are no additional point for that in the test.

Beside that, DXO tests started to be incomparable.

Look at Iphone 8 review and XZP review. I8 review is 10x more complex - it contains way more tests than XZP review.

There are also inconsistencies like:

At the first paragraph, in the "Test Summary" section they wrote, quote:

"the XZ Premium features relatively strong autofocus performance for both photography and video, as well as very good stabilization for video."

But at the end, in the "Conclusion" section they wrote, quote:

"Video performance is also competent, but marred by problems with loss of detail and mediocre stabilization."

it is really pathetic and not professional.
[Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers] gengi:
Do you even know what is a good photograph?

You don't like the camera quality? Seriously?

I take night photos like never before. Low light photos that are fantastic, videos in slow motion at night that are perfect.

And you compare with s7 and iPhone?
[Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers] jms.flynn:
Ok, now I know you're seriously trolling. ha ha

Please show me one of your "videos in slow motion at night that are perfect".

The 960FPS is cool, if not gimmicky, but it only really works well in very very good light
[Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers] gengi:
960 fps, at night and 500 meters (at least) apart, I would say it's very good.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3HA5nmqdPh0SFFLVHpXRjBxRDA/view?usp=drivesdk
[Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers] RJASSI21:
I know in certain lighting conditions it causes alot of flicker. I thought at night it would flicker but it doesnt so thats really cool. Nice video by the way.

Its like alot of people say though, as soon as Samsung or Apple do something new everyone in the world is like wow look at this. Then Sony does it and everyone is quiet about it. Our device the XZ Premium is the first to have a 4K HDR screen and is also the only device alongside the XZS and XZ1 to record at 960fps. Nobody in the world understands how cool it is to have those two features in the palm of your hand. If Samsung or Apple did it then im sure they would understand. As soon as another company besides Apple or Samsung do something cool they get criticised by their 'big bezels' which shouldnt even matter when you take into consideration the features packed into the device.

The score given for our device, I dont think its fair. If you want something fair watch a YouTube video on a comparison or review of the camera, im sure they will be more on point and accurate.

I didnt buy the phone for its camera. If someone wants to say they have an iPhone 8 with a higher score than my XZ Premium they can but I believe the scores are biased and that the rest of their scores are one-sided.
[Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers] chefnoob:
Don't want to bag Sony down but I have compared the XZ Premium(company issued to me) against the Pixel (I own), Pixel 2 (wife owns) and hands down, it is definitely inferior than the Pixels... It takes crappy low light photos with lots of noise. It also struggles with photos where the background is brighter. Again, I think Sony's problem really is software, just like with most Sony phones I owned.

However, I'm not saying that it doesn't do decent photos, it does. I think 86 is too low. Personally, I'd rate it around 90-92.
[Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers] Phat-T:
I think everyone knows already that the Pixel has a better camera.
[OnePlus 3T Questions & Answers] bl3d2death:
Hey... I have the following problem:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1p8uxZnmA8

Often when I am charging my phone I have this Issue with several adapters, cables and so on. I have tested a lot and already did two RMA... they changed some back cover part and the mainboard. issue is still there and I dont have more ideas.

I already noticed that some others have this problem too. But what could it be?

Now im testing an older Stock ROM (release 02.2017). Someone have any idea? Could this be a Software (kernel) problem?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] greddy:
now i have 3x Note 4x with SD625 and all have an different Back-Sensor :)

Samsung Sensor, ofilm_s5k3l8 (black, 3/32GB)

Sony Sensor, ofilm_imx258 (grey, 3/32GB)

Omnitech Sensor, qtech_ov13855 (grey, 3/32GB)

has anyone here an black note 4x with sony sensor ?

greets, Peter
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] j0hn9:
I have note 4x black with sony sensor, but it's 3/16GB
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Sectorian:
Mine is black whit omnivision :( sadly.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Grellenort:
Colour doesnt matter.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] shakil002:
how to check ????
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] irul.monster:
I have black 3/32gb with sony back sensor
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] jack_hunter97:
Okay, so which sensor capture pictures better or just the same?!

Tks
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] chickentuna:
I've heard it's sony then samsung and the most crappiest is omnivision which I have. I don't have a keen eye on differentiating good from bad photos. I'm a point and shoot person and don't care much about quality. It's all the same to me. Regardless of the camera brand, this phone is dirt cheap anyway so why bother.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Strmy:
Im currently searching for sony sensor part on internet, then im going to buy it and try to replace my omnivision with sony, its easy fix.. much harder is to find camera module on internet... can you please look, and if u find pm me with link?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] greddy:
really good idea!

I found only this link, but maybe the seller only send more then 10 pieces :)

https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/prod...rect-sale-imx258-sony-camera_60588570716.html

or this:

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Direct-Factory-Price-MIPI-Interface-camera_60637711362.html

I open the 4x, its not a big story.

Greets, Peter
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] pokee2000:
i suggest EVERYONE to not buy this phone at all..all you will get it now is (Omnitech Sensor, qtech_ov13855)

because they start this model this year with sony sensor...after that they replaced with Samsung sensor and now new releases all them with Omnitech Sensor

so..

if your lucky ..you will get as same as old Redmi note 4 which Samsung

or for sure Omnitech Sensor, qtech_ov13855

and totally forget about Sony ....cuz they are GONE...

who bought it from march to may got sony sensor
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] greddy:
global you can not say phones with sony is gone, one other user here in xda buy the phone this month and get an sony sensor.

It's just a game :)

greets, Peter
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] pokee2000:
i consider himself super lucky....but before that we should ask ourself...why we will enter a gambling thing if what we targeted is 1 to 3

you cant open the box and check before you buy ...that's normal

there is alot of phones in the market better than this...and adding between 20-50 $ to another is not that much to get better ...

yes i agree if you get sony ...go for it.....but now ...its just gambling and cheep move from xiaomi...

God know what else that still not discovered
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] greddy:
"alot" phones for about 150 euro better then the Note 4x with 4100mAh battery ?

With this quality and an official Lineage ? Which one ?

Greets, Peter
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] pokee2000:
Add 50 Euro and get lenovo P2 (Same SD with Super Almond screen and 51000 mAh )

if its about the camera check honor 8 lite ...:good::good:
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] greddy:
i know the P2 (i also play with it!) ... **** Rom Support and the feeling in the hand is also not so nice as 4x, ... and not 150 Euro.

For more money i can get always better phones ... but for 150 the 4x is the best!

Big words with "alot" better phones ... :)

greets, Peter
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] pokee2000:
As your here im expecting you like Rom and customs....with 3 different type of sensor ...do you believe that there is a Rom will works fine regarding camera with all these differences ?:confused:
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] greddy:
Yes, like a good Rom for daily use, the official Lineage works with all 3 cams ... i test it, i have all Note 4x with all 3 cams here.

greets, Peter
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] I am Legend:
I've had 15 redmi note 4 or 4x passing in my office (for friends or colleagues), all of them with the Samsung sensor.

Production months from the beginning till August.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] y2ksnoop:
Can someday tell me as how to check the camera sensors OEM? Tried AIDA64 app, it doesn't fetch the camera sensors OEM details..
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Grellenort:
On MIUI in dialer *#*#MIUI#*#* and click on first option
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] y2ksnoop:
I am currently in LOS 14.1 rom. How to check the sensor details in custom rom?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] aabenroi:
P2 is much pricier here in Indonesia, Its $337. Rrn4 is half price : $165 for the official handset

I go for unofficial, it just $120...
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Herceg89:
Hi to all, im from Bosnia and Herzegovina, ans planing to buy this phone, and i'm going to buy here in my country, because i can ask sellers for sensors, and hope that ill find imx258 sensor, just anybody know for sure information is there posibility now to buy it with sony sensor or yhey all gone, and is there nothing of tips and tricks to find out which one have sony sensor, this is really annoying. Any help would be great? And is it so bad this two sensors om and samsung?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] lawong:
We cant check the camera id on lineage os

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[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Zile995:
https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=74338299
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] doveman:
That doesn't seem to work with MIUI Global 9.0 Stable 9.0.3 unless I'm doing it wrong.

In the dialler after typing *#*# it still shows numbers not letters, so I can't type MIUI only 6486.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Grellenort:
6484 = MIUI, the easiest way to remember.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Herceg89:
If i buy with omnivision or samsung sensor, is it worth it, and can i do some stuff to improve camera quality, or maybe to buy sony sensor, anything which can improve camera with this two sensors?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] doveman:
Ah I see, that makes sense. OK, I'm doing it right then and it definitely doesn't work. Once I've unlocked and rooted I'll try the Matlog method instead.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Charismagic:
Black 3/32gb with Sony....Pictures are still crappy. The chipset supports a lot of functions which are disabled in the 4x.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Herceg89:
And what about custom roms, is there any improvements on custom roms?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] amnher:
So does it mean when I am buying redmi note 4x 3GB/16gb gray at this point is omni?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] yohyah:
Most likely it will be OmniVision. The one I got with production date of August 2017 is OmniVision as well. But I was able to buy the Sony module and replace it myself.

I've used both and to be honest, OmniVision isn't as bad as people are claiming. With some time and patience, are you able to take some quite stunning pictures. I was able to take excellent pictures with it using the Google Camera mod, and the pictures turn up comparable and sometimes even better than the Sony. Furthermore in a lot of comparison pictures, I noticed the OmniVision is able to capture more detail than the Samsung sensor.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter which sensor you have; it's a phone camera after all. When you look back at your pictures a couple years down the line, you won't be like "I wished I got the Sony sensor." You'll be instead smiling at the memories you captured :)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] amnher:
Wow you're the best encouragement. :angel:

Anyway with this 3 sensors in mind:

1. is there any issues with custom roms?

*I came from redmi 3x and will buy this soon and LAND has problems with HAL3 due to xiaomi not providing it. So manual controls are you know...

2. How is HAL3/ Cam2api in custom roms?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] yohyah:
I'm probably not the best person to ask about custom roms as I'm currently using the China developer version of MIUI 9, but I had no problem enabling Camera2Api for it and using manual controls. (OpenCamera, Google Camera Mod, Footej, etc.)

From what I've seen in the threads, all the custom roms support enabling Camera2API and you should have no problem with manual controls in your applications.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] amnher:
What is the range of you manual ISO and Shutter speed?

thanks for being so accomodating
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] yohyah:
This is the range without any mods (i.e. long exposure mods etc.)

For the OmniVision, I was able to get max 1550 ISO, and slowest shutter shutter speed of 1/12s.

With Sony you can get max 9600 ISO (the range is a lot greater), and the slowest of 1/12s as well. There isn't really a limit in terms of the fastest shutter speed (for all modules as it's software based I think). You are able to set 1/30s, 1/40s, 1/50s, etc. or even 1/120s. But the images/video will start to appear very dark after 1/50s, so you will need to crank up the ISO to compensate; something Sony does better.

I explained some stuff on manual controls on another thread you may be interested in reading: https://xdaforums.com/redmi-note-4/how-to/low-light-camera-performance-redmi-note-t3738760
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] amnher:
I am sad i got front samsung but omnivision with rear ?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Saky22:
I have Redmi note 4x 3/16 model from 05. 2017. with sony sensor
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] yohyah:
I think it's safe to say, any model after 08.2017 will have OmniVision.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] amnher:
Am i correct?

Main is omnivision

Rear is samsung

Lcd is boe

Fingerprint is fpc?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] asusm930:
FINGERPRINT can be either GOODIX/FPC (2)

LCD can be BOE/TIANMA/ANOTHER BRAND (3)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] amnher:
Sorry i forgot to attach the picture
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pande Saputra:
how to check sensor camera on custom rom?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] amnher:
Guys is LCD BOE?

dsi_nt35532
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] KeKeKeK:
difference between note 4 & 4x?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] agantai:
mine has the samsung sensor,nice outside but crap in low light,i wish mine had the sony sensor it would have been the perfect phone if it did
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] d0pecr4wler:
Why don't you just buy the Sony sensor?!
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] agantai:
there is no way of telling which phone comes with the sony sensor,anyway redmi note 5 pro is out & it has sony senors & far better ones too if anything i should by this one (hopefully will do one day)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] d0pecr4wler:
I wasn't taking about buying a new phone, just the Sony camera sensor itself.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] agantai:
to be honest i didn't look in to it & don't even know where i would get one from & if the phone will have the drivers for it or not !! but anyway my eyes are now on the remdi note 5 pro i like the phone but the screen contrast doesn't seem to be as good as the redmi note 4 & colours look washed out too (compared to note 4)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] droidzer1:
There are a couple replacement camera modules on ebay for this model but can't tell which brand. You can see the numbers on them in the ad though so if you know the number for the Sony you might find one there. I saw 2 different numbers available.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Guides, News, & Discussion] alperenadalar:
I have samsung sensor. Where can i find a sony sensor to replace my back camera? And will it work?
[Samsung Galaxy J7 Questions & Answers] jordachejeans:
I'm a using Samsung Galaxy J7 Prime, running stock Android 7.0

Here's my problem:

When I click and hold an image from the phone's Chrome Browser, and then click "Share Image", then select "Messages" as the app I want to share with, I can't find a way of sharing with an existing group MMS thread (besides, once again, individually selecting each participant from my contacts, basically recreating the group MMS).

I should say they are ways around this, but they take more steps (like downloading the image, then attaching from within the group). Most other messaging apps have the functionality I"m seeking.

Am I missing something?
[Samsung Galaxy J7 Questions & Answers] jordachejeans:
Bump
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pickupman66:
since swapping to oreo, I am getting very very muted audio when recording video. zero issues before the switch. Videos for example

Recorded this past weekend. open field, kids cheering loudly Ole' Ole'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HReTGFIyvSU

Up close, live music. no earplugs needed but definately not quiet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz-QzuS3cC0

Normal audio. you can here me fiddle with buttons and then speak at the end of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7U1sL-lOP8

anyone else experience this
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pickupman66:
Update.

went digging. on this thread HERE I downloaded this camera app and am able to capture good clear audio as specified. However, going back to the camera app, very muffled Audio.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pickupman66:
Bump, anyone test this out on video recording? does your camera record properly?
[OnePlus 2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jsmoov5:
I keep on getting random reboots and I don't know why. I've been struggling with this issue for some months now. I heard something about network drops. but it think the issue is about wifi and location. I clean flash every time to no avail
[Huawei Mediapad M3 Questions & Answers] piggy0713:
I think I bricked my m3 ( wifi version). It stucked on "huawei mediapad logo" and wont turn off after I try to flash my us version of m3 to Europe version because i want 5g. I can only enter into fastboot, but it wont let me flash twrp. and I can not enter into force update by press power button and volume + and - or enter into erecovery by holding power button and volume +. Is there any solution for this or my tablet is died:crying: