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[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eddyve:
First of all my battery is not old (less than 1 year) and I have never had this experience with my other wm6 (with touch or without) roms. My current rom is better in battery consumption, that's why I reverted back. In this rom (see signature if you want a comparison) everything works fine.

i will wait until a next version.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] varanusvincent:
are you sure?

I use battery for two days.(with many calls), sometimes for 3 days. If there are a lot of programs that running on the background.. It will take more battery drain.. So make sure that you close the program.

And which RADIO ROM do you use?

okay..you use 2.47 as your radio rom.. it takes more battery drain.

I use 2.19 --> good for battery life.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] jccds:
Where can i download different radio versions?

From what you said i presume that radio roms are independent from flashing OS ROMS?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] varanusvincent:
here my friend

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Prophet_Radio_1_Upgrade

it is different.. Some cookers didn't add radio ROM.. And I do that too..
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] jccds:
Thanks for your fast answer, i'll try it later today, still using 2.07.20, will try 2.19.21 version, is it the best version around?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] varanusvincent:
for battery drain problem.. i am sure..:)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
i'm gonna follow your advice. i have Radio GSM version 2.61.

Just flashed 2.19 and Standby he goes.... 60% battery.

ah! i've also done the "clean" Today test: unchecked the HTC Home, Resco Today and SPB Phone Suite. The result is the same: 2.5/3% of drainage per hour. So i really don't think the major drainage is related to the Today plugins.

I'll post back in one hour the result of the "new" GSM ROM. seeya.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] phnikola:
I've noticed that most if not all wm6.1 ROMs have following issues:

- BEAM is ON by default (may be cause of battery drainage)

and two more things not related to battery

- ENCRYPTION is ON by default (and cannot be turned off permanently, although it does not really encrypt data on your SD card)

- SOUND issue (like Prophet Touch ROMs) - if you enable key sound in DialPad, and press 20+ digits, sound on device totally dissapears until reboot.

Similar experience anyone?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] rondol1:
I'm sorry to be the wiseguy again...

I use Korand 3.1 for as long it is released. Last time I charge my battery was Sundayafternoon around 17:00 local time. Now it's Monday 19:00 local time, batterystatus 89%...

Sorry.. don't know why this is happening to me, but I like it. I noticed a higher powerconsumption when I use WMP, but I do that rarely. One thing though, I have a taskmanager enabled that closes used app's for real, instead of minimize them.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
my God... i'm not calling you a liar because i believe you! :) what have your Prophet so different???

I also use an application to close everything! I'm a freak of having the system clean..
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
OK.

The test is done.

I can confirm that the Radio ROM v2.19 is less battery hungry! The difference is small but it exists. Maybe not even 0.5% / hour.

I'm gonna use this software for the tests to be more precise:

Batterystatus

It shows the consumption in real time.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] varanusvincent:
I think 2.19 is the best RADIO for battery life..

just test if you don't believe it..:p
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] shdamaj:
ah! i've also done the "clean" Today test: unchecked the HTC Home, Resco Today and SPB Phone Suite. The result is the same: 2.5/3% of drainage per hour. So i really don't think the major drainage is related to the Today plugins.

:confused: i am not quite sure about this issue, but i had installed the SPB Phone Suite, my battery drained more than 7% / hour, especially when allocate pictures for fast dialing, in stanby mode i had immediatelly removed it after 2 hours.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] rondol1:
I use radioROM 2.61.21 (for no specific reason, came with the official ROM and never gave me problems).
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] varanusvincent:
just install RADIO ROM 2.19

download here..

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Prophet_Radio_1_Upgrade

trust me.. it save your battery life..:)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] rondol1:
even more battery-life? The day is coming I don't have to charge at all anymore!:rolleyes::rolleyes:
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] nandlal_mk:
Well it depends on various variable factor which maybe from Rom/RadioRom/User/3rdPartySoftware,

but for contribution to this thread here r my most recent exp.

Prophet

: 15 months old XDA Neo G4

Rom

: Shadow 2.0 CE

Radio

: 2.19

3rdPartySoft

:

1)Oxios Hibernate

2)Total Commander

3)Vito's AudioNotes and ZoomBoard

4)SK Tools

5)HTC X buton 1.0

6)Opera 8.65

7)Flash P 7

8)Net CF 2.0

9)Multi Owner

10)Batt Mon

11)PHM Reg Edit

Charging

: Today Local time 12:10 AM with battery 99%

Measuring

: Today Local time 07:00 AM with battery 96%

Device status

: No usage in between Charging/Measurment,StandBy mode

with Backlight(1) goes off in 1Minute, Battery Power off in

2 minutes

For me this statics r amazing, i'v never got this with any rom.

Conclusion

: We must have a Clean Edition Rom, and then install

ur specific apps. So i request (for future builds) to our great

Cookers to release Clean Edition also, whenevr they port

new builds for our prophet.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] jincongz:
There are many Clean floating around. As for me, I noticed it is a bit higer, but maybe because I've been playing around with it more today, due to how great it is now (Thanks Varanusvincent). But charging also seems faster to me.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] varanusvincent:
2.19 is the best RADIO ROM, isn't it??:p for battery drain i mean..
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] tb146:
Battery drain Tested

Hi All,

Last time i assume that the battery drain caused by today plugins but after around 12 hours, i used Korand 3.1 and i found one of the main source of battery problem is SMS Thread.

During loading the SMS, the processor is running very high.

And also the WM 6.1 has better receiption in GSM Signal which cause the signal power to receive the signal is higher than WM6.

so my opinion, the WM6.1 have not battery draining problem but the WM6.1 consume more power to run their application.

IT IS NOT BATTERY LEAK but BATTERY USED.

CHeers
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] tb146:
Battery drain Tested

UPs Double post... please delete this ... Mr Admin
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
Hello!!

As i said before i installed Batterystatus because it displays real time battery drain and also the GSM signal percentage and here are the results(soft reset in between):

[WM6] Crystal v5.1 by hma4

Today screen, backlight ON, no applications running: most present value ~70mA (there are some oscillations(60mA~110mA) a little related to the GSM signal...).

Today screen, backlight OFF, no applications running: most present value ~50mA

In STANDBY mode: most present value ~20mA (there are some oscillations(3mA~50mA)) a little related to the GSM signal...)

Of course in standby the screen is off... but has this great software refreshes the status every 5 sec, it will display the value that was on standby as you press the power button. I let the device in standby at least for 2 minutes before turn it on and register the mA.

I think that the problem is the oscillations, even in standby!

Now i'm going to flash korand 3.1 and perform the same tests here.

Equipment:

Qtek S200

Radio 2.19
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] geney:
I did encounter batt drainage problem when 1 first flash to WWE 3.0. but after softreset the problem seems 'better'. I was like over a night (about 8 hours) from 100% to 15% before softreset.

Now using WWE 3.1. Yeah, seems a bit higher as compared to WWE2.5. Didn't really measure per hour but it doesn't last as long as V2.5 (maybe half a day).
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
Just flashed Transformer 1.0 from Cloudyfa and the same 3%/hour....

I'm starting to think that this is more complex than i think.. :D
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] jychan28:
I don't see why this battery drain is a big issue but being a nosy person so excuse me for joining in.

First if the battery can last you more than a day with heavy uses, in my book that is acceptable.

If you use you phone, you dramatically reduce your battery life. The standby draining is not big issue in any comparison.

If you don't use your phone, depending on your radio version and receiving signal strength of your living area, how often the phone go to "hunt" for the signal. If you are at the verge of bad reception area, your battery drainage will be higher because the phone keep turning on and off try to get a stable signal.

If your ActiveSync keep turning on and off so is your GPRS, it will affect the battery drainage compared to a totally dormant phone.

Crystal 5.1 ROM has GPRS problem, so I think it is because of it never able to access GPRS so you will find its drainage is lower. You kept mentioning it has better battery life, so what. It is not receiving any GPRS information, it is just like you are saying if you don't turn your phone on or keep you screen light very low you get a better battery life. It does not surprise anyone until Crystal 5.1 get its bug out and able to function like other ROMs you are comparing. Besides tests can be only accurate to within 10% because no one can repeat the environment exactly 100%. How many times you what to repeat the test so you can get an average number to compare?

Since there is not a sure way to control ActiveSync (I didn't find the trick "fake server" works or other way works). Microsoft purposely build that to make the WM6 to be a more "mobile" device, so to speak. The main WM6 advantage over WM5 is more "mobile", like the Windows Lives and MSN and the Office Suite buildt-in so you can be more "mobile" (get functions without carrying your laptop).

What control the battery drainage is basically the hardware for same given active duty cycles. If the clock frequency is the same, the same phone, one OS has more drainage than the other may just the way it use the hardware. If a phone has better battery life but lousy receiving and transmission signal compared to a higher battery drainage but good phone sound quality, which one do you prefer? Of course, everyone like his car can run like a race car but gas consumption like a VW.

I think we need to focus more on the phone basic functionalities and features more instead of battery drainage if it is not that bad. I have used WM6 ever since it started. Whether it was from Vietnam or Russia, both had terrible battery drainage and needed software patches and patches and worst of all, did not charge in a car connection. We are a far cry from those days. If you have a Kaiser, it has to power its 400Mhz dual ARM core CPU, now you really has to keep an eye on the battery drainage. Again don't expect a race care consumes gasoline just like a VW Beetle.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
All opinions are welcome!

If you read the entire thread you will see that there are people with the same ROM having very different results in STANDBY (standby is the phone only connected to the provider and everything else off).

For me battery drain is more important than a lot of features.. maybe i'll go back to wm5..

But i understand your point and i'm gonna quit testing.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] saeedsh:
I have Windows Mobile 6 pdaviet Mysterious 1.0. My battery lasts more than 4 days in normal use!

This ROM's battery consumption is really wonderful.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] PES13:
I'm come back to Prophet Xb today from WM 6.1 cloudifa but Cloudifa's Rom is very very very Good, near the best Rom ....
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] dmpost:
To those with heavy battery drain

OK, here is my attempt to help:

For any comparison test you should have the same conditions.

In my opinion the best radio rom is: 02.69.21 together with Korand WM6.1 vers. 3.1 my prophet consumes about 2% battery over night (7 hours).

Here is the idea: flash this rom and radio rom, do not install any software and leave the GSM / WLAN / BT etc. off i.e. turn the device into flight mode.

Only then we have the same conditions, otherwise there are too many variables that could have an effect. I am quite sure that you will not have a heavy battery drain with this setup.

Rgds, Daniel
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] P4k1t0:
Form me the best rom about batarry drain, is micro's edition, so cleanest rom! :P :)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] varanusvincent:
Guys.. change radio rom to 2.19

info here

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Prophet_Radio_1_Upgrade

and you will find the different about battery drain use this RADIO ROM..

;)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
I've searched and found ppl saying that the sequence of flashing made huge difference in power drain... i know it's weird but more that one user reported this fact.

for example: someone had Mysterious doing a GREAT power consumption, them flashed any other ROM, then back to Mysterious and now it drains very much, so he flashed Transformer and then Mysterious again and everything went to normal...

don't ask me why or how this is possible...
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] jincongz:
VaranusVincent, bad news. .19 and ur edition somehow got from 95% to 70% in 9 hours in my sleep. Hm...
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
definitely there must be something going on here... why is people with the same device/ROM/sleep mode having so different power drain..?:confused:
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] varanusvincent:
Strange..

I use haven't charge my Device for two days.. and still have 70 % from 100%..(with some calls )

It is really strange in your case..

Please HARD RESET first..

after that fully charge your device.. and check again..

It couldn't be different with me.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] Happydevil24:
I have this high power consumption issue after I have installed Camera ver 4.11. I am using Korand 3.1 here. Basically I need to charge it every morning whether or not using :confused:
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] gullum:
camera 4.11 is the problem

I stoped using it in my rom because of the power drain
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] dioxda2:
Dear rom master Gullum,

long time no see.

You are right, that version of camera in being heavily preloaded.

I need to charge everyday +_+......

same like you... back to version 3 already long time ago.... ( and use coolcamera instead)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] jincongz:
It's funny, it doesn't happen everyday. In fact, it only happened once.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] chinaplaza:
I don't think it is very important for me that All roms with WM6 and WM6.1 seem to use the batterry as the same. I have to charge it everyday.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] albatros7777:
I will give a different example. I have a Sim Card Adaptor which you can put 2 different simcards in it, and can change sims with a menu in the phone.

The measurements were made in 8 hours of sleep mode (GSM open).

A.

WITHOUT SIM ADOPTOR

1. PPC: Qteq S200

OS: WM6 TNT5 PRO

RADIO ROM: 2.61.21 - 2.69.21

POWER Con: 0.5% /hour

2. PPC: Qteq S200

OS: WM6.1 Korand WWE 3.1

RADIO ROM: 2.19.21

POWER Con: 0.4% /hour (with cpu scaller)

B.

WITH SIM ADOPTOR

1. PPC: Qteq S200

OS: WM6 TNT5 PRO

RADIO ROM: 2.61.21 - 2.69.21

POWER Con: 4% /hour

2. PPC: Qteq S200

OS: WM6.1 Korand WWE 3.1

RADIO ROM: 2.19.21

POWER Con: 4% /hour (with cpu scaller)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
Hi,

Have you installed anything in this ROM? HTC Home, etc? Or is it still clean?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] malsehn:
hmm.. very strange, i'm using wm6.1 shadow te varanusvincent's edition 2 ;) since friday now, flashed it friday in the early afternoon with a fully loadet device, and installed some apps at the weekend (only short times on line, maby recharged max. 5% in this time) and i hav still 46% battery left until now! i sent lots of sms, used the alarm everyday, made some calls... and playing a lot around with the settings ;) in this time. with the former installed touch xb of gullum (great rom too, i used it a long time!) i would had to charge at least on sundy, maby earlier under this usage!
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] albatros7777:
I installed 3-4 programs/games including battery status, but not HTC home.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] varanusvincent:
I think you can use it until tuesday...;)

I have use my battery for 4 days now. And I haven't charge it...;)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] malsehn:
maybe we both are the only ones where it seems tu run properly, hm? :D haven't still got any problems, sms is working great, also bluetooth and all the other apps.. :rolleyes: it's the best rom ever for me till now!
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
I have Crystal 5.1 that gives me battery for 2 days (aprox 2.5% per hour). I'm gonna try varanusvincent my edition 2.

From what ROM did you came from? I know this sounds silly but i've read users comments that had different battery drain results depending on the previous rom.. very weird..

"another one flash the dust" :rolleyes:
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] malsehn:
i came from gullums touch xb, flashed after hardspl... before that there was touch x, flashed after step1, before that touch ix after step1, before that standart wm5.0.

the battery drain was in all wm6.0 roms much higher than in wm5.0, and now with wm6.1 it seems to be nearly similar to wm5.0 in battery draining.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
Well well well...

I had to do this last test.. Flashed official WM5 and guess what? the battery drain is the same as Crystal 5.1 (2% per hour)!!! in standby mode! during my sleep from 0h a.m. to 6:30 a.m. i drained 12%..

Having the recommended 2.19 Radio, i can only assume that my battery is not what it used to be.. so i'm going back to WM6.1 because WM5 is like stone age!

thank you all for the help! if i find something new and useful i'll let you know.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] malsehn:
ohm.... stand-by with, or without activated phone? if activated, maybe something on your hardwre is broken and have a higher battery consumption? such as antenna booster, sim module or something else?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
Yes, Standby i mean phone ON connected to a mobile operator but with screen OFF, sleep mode.

No, no such tweaks, my prophet is as normal as it could be from factory.. it is 2 years old now..
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] malsehn:
i don't meant any tweaks; i'm talking about hardware components used in every cellular phone. your sim card for example consumes batterypower when it's read, and also the gsm module, antenna and so on. you should try to leave it without phone on at night and find out, if battery drains less in this case.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
hmmm i see your point now.. i'll try that. thanks!
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] fatosb:
wm6.1 is slowing down my device.

any idea how to solve this issue or it is same with the others.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] l3v5y:
BatteryStatus overclock?

WM6.1 (and WM6 for that matter) are not designed for the prophet (or at least the prophet is not designed for them) and they require more processing power to operate effectively. By using a later OS with higher processing requirements you will inevitably experience a slowing down of the device.

Having said that, if you regularly close all the programs, and use something like Oxios Hibernate to free up RAM, programs should run faster, and the OS should run more smoothly.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] jincongz:
I must say, doesn't the HTC Touch have exactly the same stats?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
Finally The Cat Found The Mice

Well well well again!! :D

malsehn, your tip took me to another direction of the tests and BINGO i find out what caused the battery drain!

It is not the ROM, it is not the Radio, it is not the software installed...

in my case

the problem was the SIM card!!!! I have a TMN sim card that apparently is working fine, i do everything normal with it, calls, sms, mms. But as i have SIMs from other providers i decided to test... and here are the results:

ROM - ShadoW TE 2.0

SIM Card: TMN - 4% per hour battery drain in standby (phone on of course)

SIM Card: Vodafone - Less than 1% per hour battery drain in standby

SIM Card: Optimus - Less than 1% per hour battery drain in standby

I couldn't believe my eyes.. essentially because both this providers have the same reception quality in my area!!

I still have the hope that the TMN SIM is broken and i'm gonna ask for a replacement.

Waw, what a discovery!! :eek:

PS: Could it be harmful to the SIM to flash a ROM with the SIM card on the phone?

Cheers mates!!
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] littld:
Korands doesn't slow down my device at all. It's the fastest rom I've ever used and I don't close down apps at all. I rarely have to reset it and the battery consumption is fine. TBH this rom makes it like a new phone - way more responsive.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] malsehn:
oh, ok.. ;) i use a vodafone-sim, too ;) as i laid down my prophet last night (11:45pm) -with phone on- there where 71% battery left. this morning (6:20 am) ther still where 70% (after the alarm wakes me up) !!!! actually now, after writing and reading about 6 sms, there are still 66% left... it's not that much drain, isn't it? ;) looks like it belongs to the sim-card in deed!
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] l3v5y:
Touch has more RAM/ROM: 128Mb and 256Mb versions

And a slightly higher clock speed: TI's OMAP™ 850, 201 MHz (rather than the prophets 195MHz)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] varanusvincent:
I use O2. and have no problem too..
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] l3v5y:
I think older SIM cards are the issue...

I have two orange SIMs, ones a few months old, the other is probably 3 or 4 years old, they have a different design, and the older one uses up 1-2% more battery per hour...
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] varanusvincent:
just a question..

Is TMN has the weakest signal compare to the other..(Vadafone, etc) ?

Because, if the signal weak.. Prophet will consume more battery, cos prophet searching for signal.. And it cost battery..;)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
No, as i said in the post you quoted:

I couldn't believe my eyes.. essentially because both this providers have the same reception quality in my area!!
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
The SIM that drains (TMN) is 1 month old. Maybe it is damaged.. i've already asked for a replacement. then, test again!
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] hesynergy:
% drainage per hour- Source of your info?

Howdee....been reading this thread for a little while and I keep seeing % usage per hour. What program/monitor are you using to get that figure?

Thanks,

Chas

:confused:
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] eucurto:
The battery meter in windows mobile. Start-Settings-System-Power
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] l3v5y:
Or BatteryStatus...