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[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] farrukhna:
Even Nepal and African countries and now getting Pie.

Today, I even wrote on Umer Ghumman (Head, Samsung Pakistan) on his Facebook feed related to the incompetency of their management. I would appreciate if you do so as well.

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The level of knowledge and information related to Software updates have increased exponentially among people due to heavy marketing campaign in the print and electronic media by many OEM companies. Now people want to have the latest and greatest with the cheapest prices available. So, I would appreciate if you conduct some research about it as I am in the tech business since 10 years now.

I would have accepted this reason if you had given it five years back. Nowadays Samsung conduct a prolonged BETA/TESING in between hundred of customers in different phases to squash bugs and have stability in their firmware. I don't know what kind of special SDLC (Software Development Lifecycle) they use as customers expect Final Product after a month of testing phase.

If they had to squash more bugs and goes through the same old stupid staged rollout even after a month of Final release then what would have been the use of Beta phase which consisted of more than a month?

I beg to differ again as customers have become more knowledgeable and informative related to the development as well.

1. Google is not dumb to have released something that would have made the updates slower. Google has even increased it's reach to other OEM through other smaller OEM (Xiaomi, Nokia) through Android One and even their rollout is much faster than Samsung which is a huge company.

2. True that. But then since Samsung is the biggest manufacturer and distributor of mobile phones in the world and charges premium price for their flagships nowadays, people expect them to be on par with Apple as far as updates are concerned. But alas, they have become greedy and ignorant and still they offer 2 years worth of software updates. Yes, Apple charge premium price as well but then they give multiple years of timely software updates to even their 3 year old flagships.

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Yes, they do everything but they charge premium prices, which is even much higher than Apple's iPhone. They should invest much higher budged in faster updates and features , else smaller OEM will gain ground and customer base and then Samsung will be extinct like Motorola, Microsoft and Nokia.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Dynamac:
I have xeu/xeu/xsg at the moment (I believe I have the OXM), with a UAE sourced phone with UK simcard. I haven't been receiving OTA as I assume it was looking for an UAE update on the UK servers? If I don't want to reset will I be able to use HOME CSC to bring my firmware up to date, without losing data (is this stable?) or samsung pay/volte/wifi calling functions? Everything works fine at the moment.

Will this help bring OTA back in line, or will I have to flash the reset CSC to start getting OTA. If I understand flashing will not change the original CSC but should allow me to start looking the right OTA release on the UK servers?

Is there a difference between flashing an XEU firmware or OXM or are they the same thing for me? How do I set the right CSC after full flash of OXM, or is it just defaulted by inserting sim before first boot?

Apologies if this has been answered. Thank you.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] wmughal:
Yes, they do everything but they charge premium prices, which is even much higher than Apple's iPhone. They should invest much higher budged in faster updates and features , else smaller OEM will gain ground and customer base and then Samsung will be extinct like Motorola, Microsoft and Nokia.[/QUOTE]Can u share his fb id.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] farrukhna:
I would differ from you on that point. Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, etc. has been giving software updates to even their legacy OS and other software for years now. If it was that of a bad strategy as far as major software updates have been concerned, then these huge companies would have been broke by now.

As far as mobiles are concerned, in the past, Nokia, Microsoft and Motorola didn't listen and adapt to the customer needs and it led to their downfall. Samsung should realise that while almost all OEM have equal rights to include latest hardware like OLED screen, chipsets, Processors, RAM, Storage and GPU in their flagships, the only differentiating factor in future will be based on the software support and features that an OEM will provide. Apart from software features, Samsung lags behind almost every company , big or small in terms of prolonged major software support and overall stability.

If Samsung doesn't mend it's ways then we will mostly be having phones based on Android One in future.

Yes, they started Beta testing for a prolonged period but then after the release of final product, same old staged rollout which would take months is unnecessary as transition from Beta to Final software depicts major stability issues and bugs have been rectified and only maintenance updates will be needed, if required.

Sadly, I would agree you on that point. Although after sales service of Samsung is pathetic almost everywhere, but then the recent inclusion of tax and depreciation of Pakistani Rupees will surely shrink the customer base for Samsung. But on the other hand, it will help to gain some customers, like Xiaomi, Oppo, Nokia and others which are providing value for money. Samsung is realizing that well, maybe that's why they have recently released a much competitive product like M20,M30.

Please correct me if I am wrong, does Nepal,Iran and Afghanistan has better customer base than us??? I highly doubt it.

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Can u share his fb id.

This is exactly my point. We spent a premium price for a phone which not only gives just 2 years of support, but also it is now discriminating Pakistan, when all of it's neighboring countries have already gotten updates.

[IMG="Umer Ghumman Head of Samsung"]https://imgur.com/a/Zd426JF[/IMG]
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
Just so I can suggest accordingly, please open your dialer app and dial *#1234# and post a screenshot of the result here.

It shows currently installed build information.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] infrasonic13:
Guys, common... Apple updates are a joke. ios 8 is the same as ios 12...

Also they push new features only on their newest phones.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] farrukhna:
Atleast it retained features. As far as note8's Android update is concerned, it removed some of multi window, Video Recording and is still unable to let us change the shape of the icons damnit !! I hate squircle !! I wonder why they can't work on making their UI much more flexible.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Dynamac:
Of course, here you are. Thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] farrukhna:
For even an average person, software means more than anything. This is the only reason smartphones came into existence isn't it?

If we take out ever-growing software out of our phones then they would be simply dumb phones. You are just a fanboy of Samsung and I respect that. But in the lager horizon, it is the software experience and support that will differentiate between two brands of phones.

One of the reason people stick to iPhones is their continued support, excellent stability and responsiveness.

As far as Android OEMS are concerned,the reason is that hardware wise, all the major brands are almost similar. So, only the software UI, features and support will be the differentiating factor between brands. You won't believe me and I understand that, but in near future it will happen !!

Dude, you cannot compare a full-fledged OS with a mobile OS. :laugh::laugh: For Samsung, major bulk of the work is done by Google. Samsung just adds features, bloatware, crap and tests it. They do not starts from scratch. But for Microsoft, even if they tests for months before the update, still they not only rolls out in every corner in the world at the same freaking time, but also are comparably faster and gives support for more than a decade (Windows XP)

Yes, I know and it is a fault of Samsung on their part.

1. As a consumer I didn't give a f*** how many phones that Samsung offers because I paid premium for it.

2. Yes, it takes a hell lot of time but as I said, this is not OPPO or ONEPLUS. This is Samsung, who is the biggest manufacturer of mobile phones in the world but can't even give atleast 3 years of software updates to compete with other companies like Google? LOL
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Wendigogo:
Well, I can only talk for myself but I have to temper this : "software means more than anything" is right BUT "OS updates means more than anything" is false.

What the crowd wants is updated apps and a reliable device. They almost don't give a damn (and ofently doesn't know) about running android version.

As far as they can use their prefered apps (Maps, Waze, Messenger, etc.) it's OK.

I have many people having Samsung devices around (S8 mainly). When I told them they will have a big update with UI improvements for tall screen, uptodate android version and so on what I saw in their eyes was "blabla".

Edit : I'm a French user and we still don't have the update here. So don't be that harmfull with your country. Actually a small portion of countries have the Oneui update. And I still saw some Android 8 roms pushed today on sammobile...

Moreover, Microsoft also takes some time to push their updates on Windows. Everyone doesn't have it at the same time. And even if it's tested for months in Beta program you can have some weird bugs when pushing it to the mass. Just look at latest major Microsoft Windows update erasing users profile. You'll never be sure everything will go straight when releasing an update largely.

Enjoy !
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] BluePhnx:
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Yes, I know and it is a fault of Samsung on their part.

You do realize note 8 came with android 7.1.1 (which didn't have treble support because it was an oreo feature).

For them to include treble in their oreo update they would have to reportitioned the phone which means also formatting the disk. You think the normal users wants to lose all their data and start from scratch because of OTA update?

They just want a phone to work. Most people aren't tech savvy, so they don't care. If they did they would be beating down Samsung's and carrier's door and demanding for faster updates especially in USA (where the carrier delays the update even further for their own crap they put in.)

Also I don't think normal users care so much for the updating their phone software as just getting a newer phone after their term is up with their phone carrier..

Don't forget the cell phone is considered a throwaway item. People change cell phone everytime they change carrier.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
Exactly what I thought. This build was never released for UK. so you were correct in your earlier post. The phone is looking for a UAE OTA file on the UK server and can't find it.

You'll have to manually flash the latest XEU build:

N950FXXS5CSA2 / N950FOXM5CRK1 / N950FXXU5CRK4

You can download it using SamFirm, or Updato and flash it on your device with Odin v3.13.1

There will be 5 files in the ZIP that you download. AP, BL, CP, CSC_OXM and HOME_CSC_OXM.

You can only flash 4 files at one time, so you'll have to choose between CSC_OXM and HOME_CSC_OXM.

The difference is that CSC will wipe all your data and completely reset your device, whereas HOME_CSC will just upgrade your phone, and you won't lose any data.

So, open Odin, add AP, BL. CP and HOME_CSC, connect your device in download mode, hit Start and wait 3-5 minutes for the flash to complete. Your phone will reboot automatically when it's done.

You'll then be on the correct build for UK, and will receive the Pie update as soon as it's released.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Dynamac:
Thank you so much!

So just to confirm - the XEU HOME_CSC will be stable enough that I shouldn't have any issues with an upgrade without wipe (of course I will still backup first - it's just a faff setting up all the apps/phone). Also it's ok for an XEU HOME_CSC update to go over the older XSG build?

Just for curiosity, what would happen if I flashed the latest SB2 build (I guess this is a specific INS build) HOME_CSC - would it work without the vanilla CSC that would wipe the device or would it wipe the device anyway due to putting an INS build over the XEU active? I'm also assuming if the SB2 worked (perhaps a device wipe) and with the sim inserted - it will go back to XEU/XEU/XSG with a INS build and therefore OTA will still not work (assuming UK doesn't have SB2), and I will be in a similar situation as I am currently but just updated to PIE/latest?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
The CSC files aren't region specific. Your device is no longer XSG branded anymore, the only reason it still shows XSG in settings is just to indicate your devices original market.

Upgrading from Oreo to Oreo builds with HOME_CSC is fine, however upgrading to Pie doesn't require a factory reset, but it's recommended.

You can flash Pie DSB2, however if the same build is not released for the UK, you'll have to repeat exactly what I'm suggesting to you now and use HOME_CSC to flash to a Pie build that is released for the UK to continue getting further OTA updates.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Gavros7:
Hello. Yesterday i flashed via odin the Slovakian Edition Pie. Today released the Greek edition Pie. I want to ask if i have to flash again via odin the Greek version Pie over the Slovakian so i can have OTA updates. And from where can i download the Greek Pie firmware? Thank you.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] LenAsh:
Thread cleaned of Off Topic posts.

Keep matters wholly relevant to the point and NO more bad language please...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] arslanejaz33:
Updated to pie via smart switch in Pakistan. Still no OTA though
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
DSB2 is now showing on FOTA server for PAK CSC.

OTA and SmartSwitch both will show the update.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] harshilhirani:
I currently INS/INS/XSG firmware, but i didnt got OTA update. So I am downloading xsg firmware from Samfirm, will it triger knox or any other samsung apps? and what will be my csc after update if i select home csc?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
1. No

2. INS/INS/XSG
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
This question, like many others has been answered countless times. You'll save your own time and the time of others if you use the search function, or just read through the forum before asking.

KNOX is never tripped with stock firmwares and CSC doesn't change when you use HOME_CSC.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] harshilhirani:
If for some reason knox is triggered by custom ROM, if I flash stock rom again will it become normal again?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] arslanejaz33:
Like Meltdown Said a Google search will be very appreciated and no once is triggered there is no going back coz it a hardware based fuse.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] hasek007:
A bit confused. So currently I am on H3G(full details attached in screenshot) to flash new Android I would have to switch to BTU first and then flash this multi csc. Or I could flash OXM stright without swapping to BTU?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
BTU is part of the OXM multi CSC.

Think of OXM as one really large CSC type that includes a CSC for almost every region in Middle East and Europe.

When you flash an OXM firmware, since you are in the UK and your phone has a British SIM card, it will automatically switch to either BTU or XEU, which are both unbranded UK CSCs.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] hasek007:
Thanks. I am not bothered about loosing three logo when phone is booting. I will try it and report back
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
N950FXXU5DSB3 (Multi-CSC OXM)

This ROM is the latest ROM for Multi-CSC OXM released 06 Mar 19, and can be used for ALL CSC's mentioned in Multi-CSC OXM!

This is official Samsung ROM, so KNOX won't be triggered!

Change CSC for i.e. use Samsung Pay

Your data will stay intact, but it's possible you get "com.android.***** has stopped" -> Then a Factory Reset is needed (in Recovery)!

What's new:

* OneUI Pie

* February security patches (Samsung Android Security Updates)

* The security of your device has been improved.

Model	SM-N950F

Model name	Galaxy Note8

Country	Multi-CSC OXM

Version	Android 9

Changelist	15325116

Build date	Fri, 22 Feb 2019 00:45:38 +0000

Security Patch Level	2019-02-01

Multi-CSC	OXM

PDA	N950FXXU5DSB3

CSC	N950FOXM5DSB4

Details for download with SamFirm:

UN-ZIP the archive and place the files in the designated slots in Odin 3.13.1

HOME_CSC_OXM -> data will stay intact

CSC_OXM -> device will be resetted

This package contains the HOME_CSC of OXM Multi-CSC, which include the following CSC's: ACR AFG AFR ARO ATO AUT BGL BNG BRI BTC BTU CAC CAM CEL CHO COO DBT DKR ECT EGY EON ETL EUR GLB ILO INS ITV KSA LAO LUX LYS MID MM1 MWD MYM NEE NPL ORX PAK PCL PHE PHN PTR ROM SEB SEE SEK SER SIN SKZ SLK SMA STH THL THR TMC TPA TPH TTT TUN TUR WTL XEF XEH XEO XEU XFA XFE XME XSG XSP XTC XXV ZTO
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] latouffe:
So without the country's sim card i cant change CSC?

I want to go from ITV to INS (India) to get the call recording option.

Why oh why Samsung is so not user friendly with all this knox, multi-csc bull****.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] fonix232:
It

IS

user-friendly. User friendly doesn't mean that it works as YOU wish it to work, but that it works how a regular user would expect it to work. Pop in your own SIM, like you would in general, and bam, you got your carrier info, features, etc. all loaded.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Reaper1337:
Just flashed with HOME_CSC

Phone Info tells me the firmware CSC ist XEF (France)

Shouldn't it be ZTO?

Active CSC is DBT (As it should be, so thats fine)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] StevePritchard:
I'm not sure the Phone INFO app is right. Mine reports that too, but if I check under the Settings -> About Phone -> Software Information -> Service provider SW ver. then it says "BTU/BTU/BTU".
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Reaper1337:
Thanks for the Feedback!

If I check in About Phone it says DBT/DBT/DBT

So I guess the APP doesn't read it correctly.

Thanks again!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] hkassem:
thank you very much i lost my data using home_csc (data will remain intact ) bad information

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i lost my data after flashing home_csc be aware:crying::(:confused:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] BluePhnx:
Are you sure you use home-CSC and not CSC file?

I've been using home-CSC since I got the phone and have NOT lost any data.

So it's not bad information when lot of people had success keeping data with home-CSC.

How was Odin set up? If nand erase was ticked then that would erase phone regardless of files.

Did you go from an OXM firmware to another OXM firmware?

Or did you go from a different firmware that's not OXM to an OXM? (Like N950FOVF... TO N950FOXM...)?

Anyway that's the risk you'll take when using Odin instead of waiting for the OTA to come.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] hkassem:
Yes i used the home csc i am very sure and the phone reset data and became 16gb internal memory i had btu as csc and i didn'tselect erase nand [emoji26][emoji17]
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] BluePhnx:
Did you use all 4 files in Odin (BL,AP, CP,HOME-CSC) and didn't mix and match the files with another firmware?

Just trying to understand what happened because that is weird!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
Did your CSC change after flashing firmware?

This is the first time I've heard of data being wiped with HOME_CSC.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] hkassem:
No i selected home csc and same firmware i had error while ota update
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
You had an error while OTA and then you decided to flash?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] hkassem:
Yes same firmware csc btu
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
That's probably the cause of the data loss.

If you had an error with an OTA installation, using Smart Switch to recover your device would've possibly saved your data.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] wmughal:
It does not possible as i have flash 2 3 times never lose my data.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] hkassem:
Me too but this is the second time i lose data on.note 8 with home csc
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ProdByEchelon:
You did something wrong. That didn't happen to me but either way, always back up.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] sambenet:
[IMG="Note 8"]https://i.imgur.com/NA9Y388.jpg[/IMG]

Hi everyone. I have no OTA update available and I never forced any installation on my Note8. I'm tired of waiting the official OTA update, do you suggest me to safely upgrade using method described here in page 1 ? Is my Note8 compatible? Thank you.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] wmughal:
Install firmware using samfirmware manually.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] chanchal.shohel:
SEB got an update including March security patch

Version: N950FXXS5DSB4/N950FOXM5DSB2/N950FXXU5DSB1/N950FXXS5DSB4

OS: Pie(Android 9)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ProdByEchelon:
A couple countries for there second pie updates with the March security patch. https://www.sammobile.com/2019/03/12/galaxy-note-8-update-march-2019-security-patch/
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
N950FXXU5DSB4 (Multi-CSC OXM)

This ROM is the latest ROM for Multi-CSC OXM released 12 Mar 19, and can be used for ALL CSC's mentioned in Multi-CSC OXM!

This is official Samsung ROM, so KNOX won't be triggered!

Change CSC for i.e. use Samsung Pay

Your data will stay intact, but it's possible you get "com.android.***** has stopped" -> Then a Factory Reset is needed (in Recovery)!

What's new:

* OneUI Pie

* March security patches (Samsung Android Security Updates)

* The security of your device has been improved.

Model	SM-N950F

Model name	Galaxy Note8

Country	Multi-CSC OXM

Version	Android 9

Changelist	15325116

Build date	Mon, 25 Feb 2019 02:41:25 +0000

Security Patch Level	2019-03-01

Multi-CSC	OXM

PDA	N950FXXS5DSB4

CSC	N950FOXM5DSB2

Details for download with SamFirm:

UN-ZIP the archive and place the files in the designated slots in Odin 3.13.1

HOME_CSC_OXM -> data will stay intact

CSC_OXM -> device will be resetted

This package contains the HOME_CSC of OXM Multi-CSC, which include the following CSC's: ACR AFG AFR ARO ATO AUT BGL BNG BRI BTC BTU CAC CAM CEL CHO COO DBT DKR ECT EGY EON ETL EUR GLB ILO INS ITV KSA LAO LUX LYS MID MM1 MWD MYM NEE NPL ORX PAK PCL PHE PHN PTR ROM SEB SEE SEK SER SIN SKZ SLK SMA STH THL THR TMC TPA TPH TTT TUN TUR WTL XEF XEH XEO XEU XFA XFE XME XSG XSP XTC XXV ZTO
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] StevePritchard:
It's interesting to note, but I'm not sure how relevant it is, that some of the versioning has rolled back from DSB3...

DSB3 = N950FXXU5DSB3/N950FOXM5DSB4/N950FXXU5DSB2

DSB4 = N950FXXS5DSB4/N950FOXM5DSB2/N950FXXU5DSB1