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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ScrapMaker:
If you're using this is the car, what does battery life matter?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] stinger4321:
Do any if the current tablets support Project Treble? I think i want my next tablet to support this which should help with future os updates
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] afonsov:
Not using in the car, only at home for lite usage (browsing, social media apps, multimedia and lite games). I get around 24h of battery life.

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ScrapMaker:
I sure wish I knew how 'headunits' like the cheap Chinese Android systems, and even the Pyle variants were able to do BT aux input and hands-free. I'd love to add that to my N7 install.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Masteryates:
One of my cousins stood on his N7 2013 over Christmas which meant the Liquid of the LCD bleed over the screen. It still works but a good chunk of the screen is now black. :eek:

If it was me, I'd spend the money for the 4/64 Lenovo tab 8 plus, the Mediapad M3 or a Tab S2. As he's a cheapster, he doesn't want to spend any more than £100/$130 which leave very few choices.

Got a feeling he will end up with another second hand N7 2013 as there isn't still a cheap replacement with similar specs.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] fuzzie:
Did you ever find a replacement for 2013 N7 and Timur's Kernel?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] vijayintha:
whatever but dont buy lenovo tabs
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ehasley:
You can't make a statement like that with out providing some sort of explanation.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Siggyceline:
Huawei M3 looks like a viable replacement. In fact, HW wise, it looks Awesome.

But I will wait until there is a Lineage port (or similar) custom ROM.

Sorry, but I don’t trust China state-owned complete ODM products...my cheap IP cameras taught me that lesson...had to block all ports except NTP outbound to WAN. (And you should see the syslog from my router with all the traffic they are trying to generate out to the internet to China IP addresses.)

At least with a custom ROM on M3 I would feel safer. Plus, i’m certain that would fix the non-5GHz in USA version issue.

But for ~$300 for 64GB version, the M3 has got the specs I’m looking for...

As far as the Lenovo Tab 4 plus 64, I do not see that version offered in the USA. The version I’m talking about however (along with the M3) appears to be the logical evolution of where the Nexus 7 2013 would be if there was a new version of the Nexus 7 2013. I just do not understand why it seems like nobody making these things can see that. Most all new 7in/8in tablets I see offered in the USA are junk and would be considered a downgrade from the Nexus 7 2013. It is annoying.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] mikaole:
New huawei m5 will be mine soon.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] C5Longhorn:
I may consider this tablet also since Google is never going to release one.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Masteryates:
Bought the Mrs an M3 open box for £142/$200. Really nice piece of kit and the inclusion of a FP reader that actually works well, (unlike my Tab S2,) is a nice bonus. She is a bit of a hardcore user at times and is still able to get 8h of SOT between charges. Only downside is the 2.4 only wifi. Accept that some users are wary of Chinese products but I've had no issues with my One Plus 3 and she's had no issues with her Honor 6X and now M3. Each to there own in this respect.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] antwbone:
I've had the Huawei Mediapad M3 8.4 tablet since October 2017. The Nexus 7 (2013) was getting long in the tooth and it was time to put it out to pasture. The hardware is beautiful and the fit and finish is top notch. The Mediatek chip runs fast enough for me since I don't do any real hardcore gaming on it. The LCD screen is nice. It's not a Super AMOLED panel but it is bright and colours are saturated. The tablet upgraded itself to Android 7.0 Nougat and I installed Nova Launcher on it to give it a stock Android feel. Huawei's EMUI launcher is just weird. The fingerprint reader is lightning fast, just like on the Nexus 6P. The speakers on this thing are killer! Sound is clear, bass is rich, and the volume gets pretty loud. It's not going to beat a good BT speaker but the sound is great for watching movies or gaming. I only use this thing to surf the web, watch a few video, and play some time-killer games, but can usually squeeze out 1-2 days of use out of a single charge which is pretty amazing in this day and age.

That being said, the Mediapad M5 is due out soon so that may be the replacement you guys are looking for. Or pick up an M3 for cheap once the M5 is out.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] olliebean:
I read a review of the M5 that said it will only play certain streaming video like Netflix in SD, not HD. Is this also the case with the M3? It'd be a deal-killer for me if so.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] C5Longhorn:
Looks like it still may be 2 or 3 months before the M5 comes to the US.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] rachelm920:
OK just jumping in here. My boyfriend and I both purchased the N7. His died a long time ago, then he had an LG Tab we got from AT&T and he washed it with the dishes. (It was in between dirty plates and he just threw it in the sudsy water). That was sometime last year, and we haven't replaced his tablet yet, it had a lot of lag issues. I'm still on my original open box N7 that I purchased from staples 4 years ago. The battery life is terrible on this thing, it takes forever to charge, and I cannot use it while it's charging. Which in turn leads me to barely using it. I play a few games like "The Sims", and I like to read via the Kindle app. I also play the same games on my phone as a different user and we're "friends" LOL. He doesn't read, but uses it to browse the net, go on FB and also play some games, mostly candy crush type. I'm looking to upgrade my N7 as well as get him a replacement tablet. I hate Samsung devices (although my TV is AWESOME). I'd like to keep us both on the same device so I can assist when he has questions, and I'd also like to play with ROMs again. Would the M5 work for this? I've been out of this community for sometime... I bit the bullet a year ago and purchased an iPhone as a "screw you" to Samsung.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] olliebean:
I've done a bit more research into this and it appears that indeed, neither the M3 nor the M5 will play Netflix or Prime Video in HD. Something to be aware of, and I guess I'll be looking elsewhere for a N7 replacement.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] arkansis:
The only tab for Nexus 7 replacement with good custom development is the Galaxy Tab S2 T713. No much dev with Lenovo or Huawei...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] C5Longhorn:
What about the Tab S3, is it too new still for much development?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] arkansis:
The S3 is a 10" tab and the S2 is a 8.4" tab.

The S2 is near from N7 than S3.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] C5Longhorn:
Ah, ok, got it. It's too bad Samsung didn't release a new smaller tablet.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] naiku:
While I know this thread is not specifically related to in car tablets, trying to find something that works as well as the Nexus 7 in the car is proving difficult. At the moment I run a 2012 Nexus 7, I would like to update it to something newer than a 2013 Nexus 7, but finding information on tablets that work as well in the car is virtually impossible. It is hard enough even finding which tablets fully support USB host mode. Currently I am looking at the Lenovo mentioned in the OP, as well as the Samsung S2 T713 and the Huawei Mediapad M3. I may end up just picking up a 2013 and hoping it lasts, my 2012 has lasted well but is starting to slow down.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] fr4nk1yn:
For car use it looks like the Nvidia Shield is an option. It does OTG plus charge and can start itself when power is connected.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] naiku:
Yeah I have been looking at the Nvidia Shield K1, other than another Nexus 7 it may be the only option that is not going to be a gamble on whether it works or not.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] nigelhealy:
I have the N7 2013 Flo 16GB and the Lenovo Tab 4 8 Plus 4GB RAM 64GB storage, and between those two I had the LG Gpad 8.3 which a family member ended up getting.

I repaired my N7 via replacing battery was surprisingly easy. I must say the Tab 4 8 Plus is excellent, it is very fast, good front facing stereo speakers and having 64GB internal + 128GB SD. The biggest niggle unlike Google is Lenovo do not release full stock images you can flash in recovery or fastboot, they only release incremental so if you're rooted like I am with Magisk + Xposed I have to un-magisk to restore stock boot then let it upgrade then reflash Magisk. If I were to brick it I must use a complex Windows 7 only working method to go back to an old stock and then let it do every incremental upgrade since. With N7 you could bypass the un-magisk step. I got my Tab 4 direct from China for what I felt was a good price.

I still keep my N7 going, I tend to use it when there is more chance of physical damage or chance of being stolen like if I leave it in hotel room, or for when flying with idiots with spilling drinks. It's biggest weakness for me is only 16GB storage, but I work around it via a 128GB USB OTG arrangement.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] dave457:
I repaired my N7 2013 today with parts from used ones I bought on eBay but I think I've found a better option in the Lenovo Tab 4 Plus 8" and with only 16GB of storage I picked up a new one for £160 in the UK (John Lewis online). I still have a 32GB N7 but the Lenovo has a microSD card slot so storage will not be an issue.

More importantly for me, as I use it solely for Satnav (offline maps), the GPS locking on the Lenovo is far quicker than the N7 ever was so I'm happy with my new replacement tablet.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] olliebean:
To people using the Lenovo Tab 8, can I ask how noticeable is the lower screen resolution compared to the N7 2013?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] rioru:
Xiaomi Mi Pad 4 I think is a good successor to my Nexus 7. It has the similar size (same length, just wider and a bit thinner), but 8 inch display (less unused area around the screen). and the same screen resolution 1920x1200.

From my experience, the cons compared to Nexus 7 are:

- No GPS on Wifi version

- No NFC

- It's wider, so it's not very compfortable to hold with one hand

- The rear panel is metallic (in contrast with rubber texture on Nexus 7) and very slippery, which makes it again uncomfortable to hold and you can't lean it against other surfaces (case is recommended -- at the same time I've never put my Nexus into any case)

- It's heavier than Nexus 7 by 50 grams, which is not much, but it is noticable (yet again when holding with one hand)

- In general, physically, it feels 'cheaper' : paint is not very good (at least on black version: it might scratch off when you removing the SD card tray or inserting the headphone jack), volume and power buttons feel a bit loose (at least on my device), rear panel gets 'dirty' with your fingers very easily.

- It's not a licenced Google device, so from the box there's no Google Aps (but there are of course ways to install it). And no other languages save for English and Chinese.

The pros compared to Nexus 7 are:

- Since it's a newer device (2018 vs 2013), all other specifications are better (CPU, GPU, RAM (3 or 4 GB), et cetera). Read full specifications on gsmarena if you want to.

- Micro SD card support, so you can buy the cheapest version (which is 32GB+3GB RAM for ~200USD) and expand up to 256 GB (but bear in mind that in MIUI you can only install aps on internal memory)

- Android 8.1 from the box (with MIUI 9), so official Treble support (have no experience with that, so we'll see if it will be useful)

- No (from my experience) infamous Nexus 7 touchscreen problem (I've never been able to fix it on my Nexus7). Actually there is.

- Better battery perfomance, less heating on heavy loads (thanks to metalic rear panel)

So all in all, I've decided that it's time to upgrade my old Nexus 7 and in my opinion Xiaomi Mi Pad 4 is a good enough tablet to be considered as a 'worthy successor' to it. It has modern hardware and firmware, slightly different physical properties (which can be critical for some), but lacks couple of useful features and overall polish.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] robilar:
Finally got , my hands on a new Huawei mediapad x2. Fantastic tablet. Only negative is that it only has android 5.1.1.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] C5Longhorn:
I'm using a Huawei Mediapad M5 and have been happy with it so far as a replacement for my N7 2013.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] SGH-i200:
8'' tablet with front firing stereo speakers and nice front camera

The Lenovo has nice looking front firing speaker, but the Amazon Fire HD 8 (2017) has stereo speakers, too, and is a lot cheaper, but has a 0,5MPx front camera. I want to have a Lineage supported 8'' tablet with front firing stereo speakers and a nice front camera for Skype! :fingers-crossed: Edit: I bought a iPad mini 2 just for skyping! :o)

https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/lenovo-tab-4-8-plus [MENTION=2955643]DF5JT[/MENTION] - Do you write that review? It sounds like your post:
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] arkansis:
I'm agree and I also order the Mi Pad 4 in LTE version.

The others avantages are USB type C and the unlockable bootloader.

XDA thread is create and we can hope TWRP and LOS coming soon.

But in other cons, the speakers are stereo, but they are in the same right side when tab is in landscape mode.

For the price and the specifications, it's a good tab for replace the Nexus 7.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ChrisA918:
I picked up a Huawei MediaPad M5 8.4" WiFi edition. Size wise, I like the Nexus 7 better, but the speed and performance of the MediaPad is much better.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] gjc:
Agreed, although my N7 is still going strong, it is still on Marshmallow and the ROM development here on XDA is waning, so I am looking to move on.

I don't want to have to carry about a 9-10" device, so a 7-8" is what I am looking for.

The only thing stopping me at the moment is that current phones are now large enough (5-6") to be able to comfortably watch a movie on so there is a reduced need for a tablet.

Anything I don't do on phone, I usually reach for my laptop rather than the tablet.

If you have to replace your N7, you want something that has a "lifespan", none of the other devices mentioned in this thread have any decent/active development for LOS 14 and above.

The Galaxy Tab S2 T713 has Official LOS 15.1 support, that bodes well for possible LOS version development in the future??
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] arkansis:
I unlock my Mi Pad 4 and I flash it with AICP GSI. There is few little issues, but stay full usually. I recommand !
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Tool Belt:
+1 for Huawei Mediapad M5, it is a fab tablet.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] wing_addict_usa:
Awesome how about nexus 9?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Tool Belt:
Just sold mine on Swappa.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] itchydroid:
Ive been eyeing this thread for a while and looking to finally replace my Nexus 7 2013 since I got it back in December of 2013. Its SLOWLY showing its age atm as it has been a useful daily driver to me. After outfitting it with a Zagg 7" keyboard case, I left my main laptop behind when I went backpacking for a year. At the time I had OmniRom installed and because it allowed for unlockabale bootloader and custom roms, I was able to install essential apps and software that kept me connected well. I used ConnectBot along with port forwarding to access my home network securly from anywhere along with PortKnocking and OTP authentication software. All because I was able to install a custom ROM and apps that did not overtime UNNECESSARILY bog down the N7 with bloat. The dev community kept breathing life into this device after almost 5 years. I am able to install the latest unofficial lineage 15.1, run netflix, word process, surf the web and have access to big repository of apps offered on Fdroid and Google Play as well.

I see all the suggestions for the Lenovo, Nvidia, Huawei, Xiomi. Sure these devices have amazing hardware, but if they lack the support of an active developer community (unlockable bootloader, custom ROM with a base close to AOSP), and do NOT have a lifespan longer than ayear, it is a dealbreaker. Almost all vendors that will support a device at max 2 years and heck even before that you will start to see your device slow down to a crawl. The hardware cant keep up because the amount of bloat installed by every "update" that comes along. So based on this, I think I will settle on the Galaxy S2. Seems like it will easily outlast the other tablets.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] acme64:
what he said ^

Everyone is missing the important point, it's not specs, its support. Clearly specs don't matter that much if you've been using a nexus 7 for 5 years already. If there's no custom rom support your tablet is dead in the water as far as i'm concerned.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] m00nlighter:
I' m eagerly waiting for the first reviews of Alldocube X.

https://www.xda-developers.com/alldocube-x-10-5-inch-android-8-1-oreo/

Now that I have a 6" smartphone (ASUS ZenFone Max Pro M1, exclusive 4/128 configuration for Russian retailer Citilink, worth every cent I spent on it, comparable to old gold HTC HD2 in terms of value for the money) I do not need a tablet to tote around, and Alldocube X looks like a great option as a budget home entertainment device.

Moreover, it seems to be unlockable right from the start, which means... custom ROMs galore!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] juyil:
So my Nexus 7 serves as my nightstand clock. I set it in the wireless charging dock made for it and have it connected via bluetooth to some bedphones for when i want to use it to watch some youtube. Sometimes I take it out of the dock to flip over while in bed, so not having to plug it in cause its wireless charging (or via pogo pins on the old version) works great. Also considering most all of my daily interaction with this tablet is through videos the 16:9 aspect ratio is perfect and I hate the 4:3 all the newer tablets are using. Finally, the 7" size is perfect for the nightstand, you get the 8" 4:3 aspect ratio tablets and it just looks too tall.

I've tirelessly been looking for a replacement as this thing is aging and have always come up empty handed because nothing quite fits the bill like the Nexus 7 has. Going to be a sad sad bed time when this thing is finally retired and no replacement has been found.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] martixy:
This thread is 2 years old and evidently the advice still holds. I went browsing around and it's really slim pickings. Here's my GSMArena search showing just how slim. Out of these I only found only the Lenovo in a local store. This form factor is a desert...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] m00nlighter:
Well if you want (mostly) clean Android, go with Lenovo's Tab 4 8 Plus. Otherwise just order Xiaomi Mi Pad 4 — it's the best in terms of overall value.

By the way, Chris from TechTablets uses Mi Pad 4 as his main tablet — and this guy knows a thing or two about tablets as he has tested well over a hundred of them.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] jb-:
Both of those look like good options, but I'm wondering about the "Samsung Galaxy Tab A 8.0 & S Pen (2019)". I like the fact that is has Pie and likely to get patches longer. For me I'm looking for something to replace my Nexus for day to day email/reading which will also free up the N7 to play with custom ROMs. I like having SElinux enforcing and of course regular patches for whatever I'm using for sensitive stuff and since I can't seem to find a current ROM that has SElinux enforcing...

Anyhow, if someone has used the Samsung Galaxy Tab A 8.0 & S Pen (2019), please let me know your thoughts as compared to the N7 2013. -- jb
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] acme64:
al i really want is something that will run lineage. its the only thing that's keep my nexus in use and i want my next tablet to live as long
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] jerethi:
Note that there are a few versions of the Tab 4 8 plus. Development for TB-8704F or TB-8704X seems fairly robust. Development for TB-8704V (which is of course the version I just got) seems to be somewhat stagnant. I believe, but am not positive, 8704V was the version that was available in the U.S. on Verizon.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] jb-:
A couple days ago I received a Samsung Galaxy Tab A 8.0" with S Pen (2019) SM-P205 LTE which is unlocked for GSM and locked for CDMA (Verizon/Sprint). It's an international model, so there's no warranty in the US but I knew that going in.

I have been running a the AICP 14 pie custom rom on my Nexus 7 2013 deb for months now, updating it each month about a week or two after the security update hits. This runs exceptionally well on my Nexus 7. It runs at least as well as the factory install and battery life with a few mods is great.

The Samsung runs 9/pie and appears to have about the same screen resolution as the Nexus 7. It's not what I'd call much faster than the Nexus, but is a little snappier. It's almost the same size, just slightly wider. I can't say I like all the boatware they install, but it is what it is. One thing I definitely don't like is after updating it, they still are at the May security update. It's nearly October so to me this shows Samsung doesn't make security a priority. Another con is battery life, it's substantially poorer than my Nexus 7 and granted running pie it might improve over time but I don't feel it will. There's few options for optimizing battery usage like I have on the Nexus running AICP. Wifi on the Samsung is excellent much better than the Nexus 7. I have not installed a sim so haven't tested the modem. It can of course make emergency calls. I also have not tried the s pen but am looking forward to playing with it some.

Final thoughts on the Samsung as a Nexus 7 2013 replacement... IMO it's more like a direct replacement than an upgrade and if my Nexus died then I'd certainly replace it with the Samsung tablet as my daily driver, either wifi or lte. The Samsung LTE version only costs marginally more than the wifi only version so I went LTE. I've heard that modding the Samsung devices can be difficult, but for me I use my pad for email and reading so I really don't care about mods or custom rom for it. I only got into custom roms for the Nexus 7 due to it being so far out of support and the fact that it was still working well.

jb
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] jb-:
Update: Samsung Galaxy Tab A 8.0" with S Pen (2019) SM-P205 LTE

I have to say I'm happy I kept this tablet. The first week or so I wasn't impressed, but after some adjustments and time I'm very happy with battery life. While heavy use isn't anything to brag about, I finally settled into use similar to my N7 2013, daily use for e-mail and some reading. This accounts for maybe an hour or two per day and I'm easily getting 4-6 days of use before needing to plug it in. It is quite a bit faster than my N7 and the fonts are slightly larger so easier reading. I did remove a lot of the Samsung provided apps. They finally updated the security patch to August, so they're only a couple months behind now, lol.

The one thing I still don't like compared to my N7 is that it's not as friendly for one-hand use. It's slightly wider and a bit heavier and that causes the balance to be off. The N7 sits in my hand never feeling like it might tip or fall, but the Samsung definitely needs constant attention when using one handed. Still the other features off-set this by a considerable amount and I'm starting to really enjoy the tablet, reaching for it more than my N7.

jb
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] erne:
My Nexus 7 seems to be getting slower and slower

I like to read magazines on it via RBdigital but load times make it very slow

I like the look of the Xiaomi but am currently on a very tight budget

I am looking at the TECLAST P80X which has an Antutu score of around 75000. Cost is around the 70/80 US/UK and it even has android pie !

Only 2gb ram with 32gb mem. It has 4g as well