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[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Caillin:
Cheers, be good to see how you go.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] jellyhead:
Yes I'm "ignorant". This is my first phone I've had no experience whatsoever to compare this to.....Douche.

Maybe if you would stop running benchmark apps or finding the one or two apps that lag and just enjoy using the phone you'd be much less worried about it. 99% of the time it is "Buttery Smooth" and I'm not going to worry about the rest.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Caillin:
I wasn't using ignorant in a derogatory sense, though you have clearly taken it that way with your ad hominem attack. Your comment is a dime a dozen on any threads where this comes up, and anecdotal unscientific evidence just comes up looking silly against objective evidence.

If you aren't one of those people that notice the frame drops that are occurring on your phone, then power to you, you might want to stay out of a thread discussing them.

Edit: You might like to check this excellent article from Eric explaining the issue. Though you probably won't as it doesn't support your anecdotal evidence. https://www.xda-developers.com/with...delivers-embarrassing-real-world-performance/
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] cdred:
Let's be civil. Some have opinions one way, and some have opinions that go the other way. The point of these forums is to pass along information that may help someone with an issue they may have. Been on xda for almost 10 years and really enjoy the vast amount of knowledge from the devs to the ordinary layman who want the most out of their devices. These forums are really helpful. Let's not degrade the spirit of it all with the back and forth name calling. Let's just pass on information to each other so that we can enjoy our devices and utilize them to their fullest potential. Thanks all.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
I can tell you just from 2 minutes with the phone that it is absolutely not as smooth as a Pixel. I'll miss that, but overall the phone seems amazing so far. Just sad that with this hardware, it can't scroll perfectly.

I don't understand how others don't notice this.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Caillin:
Bugger, I don't think it's a deal breaker for those who don't notice it, but yeah, Pixel 2 XL for me I think.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
I would have waited but this deal was too great for me (essentially free phone) and the lack of headphone jack kills me on the Pixel 2. Not sure on water resistance either.

Plus that s pen...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] _MetalHead_:
Just picked mine up, the lack of smoothness is instantly noticeable and disappointing, but the phone is otherwise amazing so I'll live with it. Samsungs were never known for their UI fluidity so I'm not the least bit surprised.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] SiNJiN76:
When scrolling very very slowly, there was jitter/stutter...A restart fixed it. Btw....6GB of Ram.... and only less than 2 GB free?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] thdaddy34:
Hopefully Samsung releases an update soon to take care of any scrolling lags. Overall the phone experience is amazing. It's not as laggy as years past and I'm hopeful that with a quick update the phone will be alot smoother. I attribute the lagginess to software issues and not Hardware so it's not a deal killer.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Caillin:
I can definitely see how no 3.5mm jack would be a deal breaker for people. I've gone all in on Bluetooth headphones now so not too concerned. I think the jankiness is just endemic on how Samsung approach their kernel development and bolt on their features which is a real shame. I think the design ethos for Google has always been "light weight and pure", so it's just what your willing to trade off.

I definitely miss the S-pen on occasion as well. Keep absently pushing on the bottom corner of the pixel :)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
I will say it's better on performance mode now that I've tried that. Not sure how battery will fare, but it's worth a shot for me.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Dark Jedi:
Downloaded your app and I had no issue's with scrolling through it in my note 8. The pixel is a good phone and I own a pixel xl. But that phone does have limitations. I can see it in one game and that's pokemon go. The game can be a lagging screen stuttering nightmare. I have had this issue on my V20 and my pixel xl. When I loaded it on my note 8

I can say I get no lag what so ever. Not saying it's the best out there but neither is the pixel.

I see you are in to rooting and I wager a guess you're pixel is rooted. So are you comparing a rooted pixel to a stock note 8?

If so that's not a fair comparison.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Caillin:
No, not rooted. So you haven't got any frame drops on Pallabre, but Dan and Metalhead do. Have you done any sort of debloating?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Dark Jedi:
All I have done is get rid of a few google apps that I never use. Now my note 8 is an unlocked version I got from Samsung. So could that play a factor in this screen scrolling?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Stock Pixel vs. Stock Note 8 for me.

Scrolling through browser is noticeably smoother on Pixel in day to day usage. It's no deal breaker, but it's obvious. I've used 4 different devices and it's on all of them. I truly think you may just not notice. I wish I didn't! Overall, this phone is clearly better than the Pixel. Just not in scrolling smoothness.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Why the sass? I'm just stating my view of the situation. If you don't notice, good. Some people are really sensitive to frame drops.

How would a video help? If you don't see it on your phone, you won't see it in my video.

Why are you calling the Note "poor"? I love this phone. I gave my Pixel up for it with no regrets. I'm not making it sound like a bad phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] _MetalHead_:
I just want to clarify- it is still smooth as hell, just not buttery smooth like the Pixel is. There are definitely frame drops here and there but nothing that hampers the experience. I'd say it's on par with my OnePlus 3T. The phone is so damn amazing that it certainly shouldn't be a deal breaker at all because it really isn't that bad. Most people won't notice it, I'm just picky.

Edit: Just installed Pallabre to test. There are frame drops when scrolling but no annoying jitters. If you gently swipe and remove your finger and let it scroll on its own, it's smooth as silk. That seems to be the case system wide- when something is moving on screen with no touch involved, it is definitely Pixel smooth. But when your finger is on the screen, that's when the frame drops occur. I wonder what that's indicative of?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] mleczo:
I dont understand this either. Its super visible. I have oneplus 5 which is super smooth (sd835), my girlfriend has s8 with the same CPU and its laggy when zooming maps, or playing with google chrome/play and other apps. Its only zooming, or scrolling. Apps load just as fast. Its definiately samsung software. It was always slow. I played a bit with LG G6, which has worse cpu (sd821), but is just as smooth as my oneplus. I do not trust reviews anymore. They just emphasise that phone X is fast and smooth (pixel, or sony xz premium). But will say that s8 is fast, and smooth. Always play with phone in shop after watching reviews. Check google maps, chrome, and other frequently used apps.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
I agree. For a non-Pixel phone, this is very smooth. The Pixel is on a tier of its own. It's a tier I didn't know existed until Jan 2017 so I don't blame others for not realizing what optimized software is capable of. I completely agree with your assessment though: it's not enough to damage the user experience and make me regret scrapping my Pixel for this. I miss a couple things on the Pixel (way better fingerprint scanner location, smoothness, and the camera was a tad better I think) but overall the pros easily outweight the cons, making this my favorite phone I've ever owned (so far). The waterproofing, wireless charging, SD card, s-pen, giant/vibrant screen, more RAM, etc. make the Pixel look like a joke when being compared.

I just Samsung could make their software run as smoothly. It's a pipe dream I think, but I keep dreaming on it.

I agree that it's easy to notice within a few minutes of using a device. Meanwhile I'm being scolded in this thread for having confirmation bias and other ridiculous accusations, haha.

Of course all these phones are fast these days - it's the smoothness that it separating phone A from phone B at this point. Any phone in 2017 should open apps VERY quickly. It goes back to how these benchmarks cannot accurately assess and compare phones - they don't account for the user experience and the frame drops/stutter. I recall the S8 having better performance markers than the Pixel and I laughed once I used both phones. It was obvious that the Pixel easily outperformed the S8 in almost all ways of performance.

I honestly think it comes down to marketing. Samsung doesn't need to make their phones smoother because the FEATURES sell the phone. People will deal with a little stuttering to get the cool features (I'm guilty). Pixel can try and day to sell its user-friendliness and smoothness, but no one cares. See all the backlash it gets and insults hurled its way last winter due to the lack of standout features. Even reviewers mentioned this. ("What does it have that its competition doesn't?" - they apparently don't count "smoothness" either!)

Anyway, Samsung really hit the mark with this phone, I must say. Way less stutter than Samsung used to have, while also creating a gorgeous phone that has so many features I'm still sorting through. Very impressive!! :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Pops_G:
I found this helped make Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes run better. Use a package disabler like BK Package Disabler and disable:

com.samsung.android.game.gamehome

com.enhance.gameservice

com.samsung.android.game.gametools

More info: https://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s7/help/screen-mode-games-t3331330/post65741380#post65741380
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] wbarnes4393:
SAME!

---------- Post added at 04:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:58 PM ----------

Me, too - we are definitely divided into at least 2 camps (maybe 3). #1 - those that genuinely don't notice the slight Samsung jank when scrolling; #2 - those that notice a little but don't really care in light of all the other really spectacularly great stuff about the phone, and then there's #3 - those that notice the jank, cannot unsee it, and cannot get past it.

I actually wish I was #1 or #2 (might even be more healthy for me to be so). But, alas, I am #3. It would be SO EASY for Samsung to address this - it's mystifying to me why they don't. It must be that 99% of the non-Apple phone-buying population is in #1 or #2. The Pixel has its warts​, too - some bugs with the bleeding edge new software updates, less-than-stellar Bluetooth performance, etc. I guess it comes down to which flaws bother you more.......
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] herandy:
I had the pixel before. I can also confirm that the Note 8 is not as smooth, specially when scrolling through stuff. This might just be how the device handles the scrolling inertia. But anyway, I got used to it after 2 days and now it's completely fine for me.

P.S. I just checked with on screen bars and it's definitely dropping a lot of frames!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
What do you mean? How do you test with on screen bars? Just curious! ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] herandy:
Settings -> Developer Options -> set "GPU rendering profile" to On screen as bars.

Then go and do some scrolling :D Specifically, Facebook. any vertical line that goes higher than the vertical line means you have some frame drops there.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Interesting! What exactly does the height of the bar represent? Trying to make it sense of all this.

Oddly, it didn't seem (to me) that the high bars corresponded to frame drops in my testing. My biggest stutter was in Chrome and I got lower bars. And then when it appeared smooth (home screen scrolling), the bars went really high!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] herandy:
Not really sure. My guess would be how much processing power everything needs vs the maximum capacity of the phone?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] wbarnes4393:
Here is an encouraging article from the XDA guys, saying the Note 8 is a substantial improvement over prior Samsung models. This is very encouraging.

https://www.xda-developers.com/note-8-real-world-performance-analysis/
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
I just read that. It's definitely noticeably better than the Note 7. I'd love to know if this was done in Performance mode. I've noted much less stutter since I began using performance mode 24/7.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] wbarnes4393:
Have you figured out what kind of battery hit you take when performance mode is enabled?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
I haven't. I couldn't go a day without it so I have had it on since day... 2 maybe? I don't even want to know what I'm losing for two reasons:

1) I can't take the jank. I'm spoiled coming from the Pixel.

2) I'm actually getting the best battery I've ever encountered on a smartphone in my life. 4-5 hours screen on time and very good standby. I rarely charge my phone before I go to bed and that's all I ask of phones.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Caillin:
Looks as though Samsung has actually made some strides with regards to Jankiness since the note 7, though they still haven’t managed to match the Pixels smoothness. https://www.xda-developers.com/note-8-real-world-performance-analysis/#comments_area
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] intruda119:
Probably depends on what device youre coming from. Compared to my mate 9, feels almost as laggy as my nexus 6. Not horrible but noticeable.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] wbarnes4393:
Just thought I would add this PostScript for perspective. I agree with the disappointment with Samsung's scrolling stutters (even in the Note 8 though it's more improved than ever before). Which is why I have been a Nexus/Pixel fan for the last several years. But....

you may have read, the Pixel 2 XL just came out this week, and they used LG pOLED displays. There is a crazy blue tint when even slightly angling the phone off axis. So, even though it's super smooth, it has a decidedly inferior screen to the Note 8. I can't get past the Galaxy jank, but now I can't get past the current Pixel 2 XL screen problem, either. So, I guess I am sticking with my OG Pixel XL for another year. Was really jonesing for something new, but am stuck between a rock and a hard place.

The moral - I guess there is no perfect phone. Something about it will always bother somebody to some degree.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Limeybastard:
Depends, If one prefers the blue hue or not [emoji6]
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Caillin:
Well, I was hyped up for the Pixel 2 XL.... right up until I had a good play with one in a local store. Side by side with the original, and it really feels like a downgrade compared to the original XL. This disappointment on top of Mario's recent articles detailing the performance strides that Samsung has made me pull the trigger on a Note 8. I'm back in the note camp after a brief hiatus.

How has everyone else been going in the mean time in terms of scrolling performance, same/worse/better? I'm failing to find any concrete information on what performance mode actually does, but I suspect it's changing the governor on the kernel to either better ramp frequency on touch input, or stay locked on a higher frequency. Will give it all an extensive going over side-by-side with the Pixel XL when it arrives tomorrow.

I'm also very happy that I have the option to change the colour mode on the Note 8 to use the full gamut that the display is capable rather than locking it o sRGB as well. Really don't know what Google were thinking by taking that option away from people, then restricting systemui and the launcher to sRGB. No wonder everybody comes away with the impression that the 2 XL display is dull. It really highlights how restrictive sRGB is when seeing it side by side with either the OG Pixel or (especially) the Note 8.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Very interesting! Between that and the burn in complaints (plus lack of headphone jack and wireless charging), I'm definitely not having buyer's remorse at all! Let me know what you think!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Limeybastard:
Pixel XL , RIP.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Caillin:
Very mixed feelings at the moment. Oh my god though, that screen. Big, bright, almost non-existent bezels, perfect off-axis viewing, full colour profile and white point customisation, pretty much perfect to my eyes.

The OS fluidity is also very much improved, echoing comments here and Mario's article. However, there is definitely a lot more frame drops and hiccups compared to the Pixel. Goddamnit, I really really wish Samsung could manage to get their Kernel to a level where it keeps frame render times under 16.6ms. I wonder if they are working on an EAS supported kernel that is better able to scale touch input to CPU clock. It really feels like the ramp on touch is fine, but then it drops very quickly afterwards (likely for aggressive battery optimisation) causing a jitter in the following animation. I'm so on the fence at the moment as the hardware is just that good, but man, I wish I wasn't sensitive to every little frame drop. Just irks me every time I use the device. Pallabre is a glitchy mess on the Note 8, whereas Pixel XL never drops a frame. It's obviously doing something unique that highlights the specific flaw in Samsungs kernel that is causing the frame drops that doesn't exist in the Pixel. Thankfully the rest of the OS and most other apps perform really well.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Yeah I feel similar. Are you running in performance mode? I do that 24/7. I believe there are some kernel changes in that mode because I see way green) fewer frame drops. I also use the ported Pixel launcher and it feels smoother to me.

In the end, the s-pen and screen are so damn good that it's worth the slight annoyance of frame drops. It's an incredible phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Caillin:
Digging into it a bit more, and I really don't think that performance mode does anything other than changes resolution and boost brightness. I definitely couldn't detect any differences between the two modes back to back, but then I have my native res set to max and brightness pretty high anyway.

Jumping back and forth between the XL and the Note 8, I've decided to go back to the Pixel and the wife gets a nice upgrade from her S7 Edge. The note 8 is definitely faster than the S7 edge, but as soon as I started going back through kernel threads and rooting, I mentally stopped myself from going down that path and went back to the Pixel lol. The Note 8 hardware is so bloody good, I hate that the frame drops are so noticeable to me.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Shuthefrontdoor:
I just used the pixel 2 xl all day today and can't stand all the screen flaws so I went back to note 8 and felt like it studders alot more than the pixel when scrolling, but note 8 screen is just years ahead of the pixel 2 xl.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Yeah sadly we're still at a point where you must make a sacrifice somewhere no matter what phone you buy.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Caillin:
I hear you on that. I have to keep looking at it from a distance now while my wife uses it lol

First world problems eh :)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] keirah:
Galaxy S8 owner here. It does stutter after 2 month use. I previously owned mi 5 and I can say that it took 6 months before it slows down. Samsung really need to optimize their OS
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] User.z.generic:
No not really....he's right tho...Compagnies like Samsung are big on specs for the fame...like branding a big 12" **** arround and claim kingship. In the end they can't make de phone run snooth and fix their OS and apps. If it's not touchwiz, it's knox...if it's not that, it's being 2 months behind in security updates. I bought one; a S8+ and I'm also droping ship. No more carrier chained phone either. I'll go with Pixels and paying for the thing cash. I'll have my monthly secu. Updates and AndrOS upgrade quicker
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Gizmoe:
Use Samsung Internet instead. It has been optimized for Samsung devices and it has more features. You can even transfer all your bookmarks from chrome. Chrome has been laggy for me ever since my HTC one m7. I swear they changed something in android that year that bugged it across all devices. But with the Samsung browser it scrolls very smooth. Unless you are on verizon. Verizon removes the Samsung Browser. I think Verizon wants it's customers to be annoyed.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Limeybastard:
Scrolling will lag if pictures are loading as you scroll down fast. Normal

Only time my N8 lags is if I immediately use it after reboot or power cycle.

Pixel2 makes the Note 8 feel like a bargain.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
I'm on Verizon and had Samsung Internet available immediately. Are you sure they remove it? Either way, can't you just download it anyway?

It definitely is smoother than Chrome on this phone. I've never strayed away from Chrome until this phone. Chrome was always amazing for me, previously (LG V20, Note 5, Pixel).
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Gizmoe:
They used to. I haven't had a verizon Samsung device since the s6. But they blocked you from downloading it from Samsung store as well as removed it.
[Huawei P9 Lite Questions & Answers] razvangabriel82:
Is B388 for P9 Lite VNS-L21 Dual SIM available?
[Huawei P9 Lite Questions & Answers] TheOneWhoSpeaks:
Nope
[Off-topic] Snowleopard1900:
Website?

https://www.sandisk.com/home/memory-cards/microsd-cards/ultra-microsd-400gb

I was randomly looking up sandisk to see if the 512gb cards were coming out anytime soon (We really need the 2TB cards) and happened on chance to see this. No part number and it is not in their direct purchase store yet. I took screen prints just in case they pull it off the website. Apparently it is out there somewhere.
[Off-topic] Snowleopard1900:
Just found this reference to the card also..... I don't see any retailers with it available yet.... but it is suppose to be in the retail flow right now. :(

http://bgr.com/2017/08/31/sandisk-ultra-400gb-microsd-price-release-date-announced/
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] bschellva:
I've got a Galaxy S7 Edge (935FD) that I have flashed with the BTU firmware using odin. No matter what, it just will not update with the latest firmware. The Phone Info app shows that it has out of date firmware, but when I check in settings, it tells me I have the latest. I've cleared cache, factory reset, everything I can think of. It still doesn't see the new firmware. Does anyone have any suggestions for how I can fix this? I have even tried reinstalling with odin again. Thanks in advance!
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] mrsmtt:
Smart switch?
[OnePlus 3T Questions & Answers] carlinleos:
Hello

I noticed that after installing beta 14, colors are awful, they are not as vibrant as they were before, what can I do to adjust them?