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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] briggs81:
I swear i saw this somewhere.. i thought it was on dutty's cab's but not anymore, or at least not on his new site.

I just want the skin/cab/whatever it is, direction please?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
http://rs241.rapidshare.com/files/79181353/Nadavi_and_Dutty_Touch_Dual_Dialer_for_Kaiser.cab
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] briggs81:
Bah, that looks familiar. can't believe i dont have that in my library! Thanks

Though, I guess it probably won't work eh?? lol
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] xzon:
is this the ver that causes the menu bar to disappear in the call history?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
no clue, I found it while reading some threads....
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
I went to Best Buy to play with the phone. I pre-ordered the device yesterday. Everything seems pretty awesome (love the app pairing feature, the screen is unbelievable, and the curved edges are so much better than they used to be), but I must say that I'm not pleased to report that scrolling is not nearly as smooth as it should be. I tried scrolling on Google Chrome casually and there are frame drops and stuttering.

Boy I hope this is just on the retail model. With 6 GB of RAM and an 8 core processor... It should be able to scroll smoothly! If it's consistently like that, I would consider returning it. Anyone have the device already? Thoughts on scrolling stutter?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Slicktune22:
Its unacceptable and im canceling my oder as we speak, i am paying 1000 dollars for my phone with or without finance...this isn't fair how does iphone do it with 2gbs of ram how does google do it with 3gbs of ram on a nexus 6p? But note 8 has 6 and it stutters? F*** that im CANCELING THIS S*** right now!!!!! No excuses....thanks for the thread. Pixel 2 it is.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Torquemada288:
This is either masterful sarcasm or a mentally unbalanced over-reaction.

Not sure which, and I'm afraid to ask.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Slicktune22:
Seriously, samsung makes the best hardware but God damnit if your having stutters that is completely unacceptable! They never focus on software..and I'm gonna take a stage by canceling and if everyone would do me the favor of doing the same we could actually sent Samsung sales, but who im i kidding all you guys are gonna buy it anyways...lag or no lag....smh
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Josh LaCelle:
I'd say mentally unbalanced, maybe slightly retarded, but that is just my opinion.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Torquemada288:
And your evidence that this is even an issue? The experience of 1 random person on the internet using a display model for a couple of minutes. Seemingly, that's enough not just for you to rage quit on your pre-order, but to advocate a wide-spread boycott of the device.

What do you mean "slightly"? Slicktune appears to have gone full retard with almost no provocation. But if they've cancelled their pre-order, I guess we won't be seeing them in this part of the forum again. Right, Slicktune?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Zeblade:
Hmm Best Buy....preview...I could careless. I buy it.. test it myself. To even run with what someone said they saw they did.. ok
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] teegunn:
Note 7 (2 of them), S7E and now S8+.... none of them stutter for me. Dunno what situations people have going on for these beasts to stutter. I do use Nova Prime launcher, but don't think that is why my phones don't stutter.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Torquemada288:
Before anyone else rage quits on their pre-order, read this...

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=73597884&postcount=13
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] calinormy:
Here in Romania at Samsung store Note 8 has been in display from the day of announcement. What I saw was that I cannot switch to performance mode.Maybe that's why your experience was laggy. As far as I can tell you, I am using right now S8 plus 128 gb with 6 gb of ram (HK version) and it's way better that normal S8+, with flawless experience so that's what I expect from Note 8
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Yeah they launcher wouldn't affect Chrome performance. Glad to hear it's good! I expect basically perfection from this beast!

Good thought! I hope you're right! I want flawless too! ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] jellyhead:
From what I've read, the lag is due to a new version of the UI Samsung Experience v8.5. I'm sure there will be updates to fix any performance issues but for the $$$$ it should be smooth out of the box.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] krabman:
Lots of Youtube videos showing retail units with retail software where no one is complaining about lag and you don't see any as you watch them swipe around. You do get a lot of the reviewers saying the performance is excellent. Not too worried as I'm a rooter and once the phone is properly debloated it will be smooth as can be just like all my other S/notes. To say nothing of the fact that display models are notorious for lag due to the gimped UI's.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Yeah I hope root is achieved on this phone! Hopefully the S8 exploit works here too.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Where did your read that? First I've heard of that theory!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Slicktune22:
Dude at this price this phone should be so buttery smooth that when im scrolling my finger should slip into my a**!!!!

No excuses!!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
We'll see how the phone behaves. The one I referenced was in retail mode and may not have had been the final software.

Concerned? Yes, I'm slightly concerned. But I won't worry too much until I see how it behaves for me (and others who may be receiving their phones today!).
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] krabman:
Meh, no phone is perfect, the iPhone for example is not completely smooth despite it being often cited as such. I'm quite confident that my phone will be a as solid as any and put my money down without concern. How you spend your money is your business. Even iphonearena said the thing performs quickly and without lag which echoes what other sites are saying, for now it's what we know until a consensus is reached among the buying public.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Agreed, but I'll say that in terms of one particular area (smoothness), the Pixel IS perfect. In 6 months I've not seen one incident of stuttering (first phone I've ever been able to say that about). It has other weaknesses though, which is why I'm upgrading.

Samsung has a rough history in software, but I generally hear it's much improved. Honestly, I've never heard a review where it claimed a phone stuttered and dropped frames, so I'm not sure the lack of hearing this helps at all, for me.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] anl2304:
Fair point. But look at the other reviews done and posted to You Tube. Now, I have not seen them all (probably an impossible task), but none of the reviews I have seen mentioned lag. So, if I were looking for a device, while not dismissing the findings reported by the OP, I would consider reviews from folks on line as well. They usually conduct thorough reviews. I would say nearly all have been overwhelmingly positive.

By the way, I am not a Samsung apologist, before you ask. If lag is indeed an issue that others note as well, then it's a problem and I would take that into consideration.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Slicktune22:
At the end of the day its more consumers than enthusiasts with this phone, a regular consumer isnt gonna care about lag there for you arent going to hear any complaints on smoothness, and most of the reviewers on YouTube are all paid... So there goes your theory, plus most speed test indicate that its the same speed as the s8 plus...and my s8 plus was always lagging or i think a better word is stutter...because it can be quick but the transitions arent smooth at all so the user experience for those that have owned a nexus..owened a pixel and a one plus phone know that the samsung phone with TouchJizz.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Oh, you had an S8+ and experienced stuttering? That's not comforting. All the reviews for that phone said it was fast and didn't mention any lag at all.

Pixel/Nexus phones really do show how smooth a phone could run. If only the Pixel could stay in stock, offer water resistance, and expandable storage. Then I'd consider giving up the amazing S-pen for that phone instead.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Slicktune22:
U see so since u go for the features (to me are gimmicks, sorry) your a regular consumer, u could care less about fluidity...thus why samsung doesnt care about optimizing their product because (again, sorry) ppl like yourself. If we we're more pushy and complaining about the software.. Samsung would do something...but no one cares..they just go ahead and purchase...and yes my s8+ had stutters even with package disabler...*sighs*
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] djinn415:
To some, it's all about the experience. I do feel somewhat disappointed that the S8+ has been stuttering and isn't offering that smooth buttery experience, but I got it anyway. Not a deal breaker at this point. I do agree though, that I am still surprised Samsung has yet to "fix" this "problem". When you are adding more performance power to the Note 8, you expect to feel it, and having it stutter again can be even more discouraging. Regardless, I am still upgrading since I am on JOD. If the experience falters I may consider the V30.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] krabman:
Yeah, the Pixel is no question the smoothest stock experience I've encountered. Worst was my GS4, lagged everywhere doing everything. Even after rooting and debloating it was not what I would have described as speedy compared to its contemporaries. It soured me enough to get me to pass on the GS5. I'm not in disagreement that for this kind of ching a stellar experience in the GUI should be expected, I'm saying maybe we should wait for it to be a lag pig and then crucify it rather than doing so now when the indications we have are largely positive across the board.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
What are you talking about? My current phone is a Pixel. You think I'm just a normal consumer? Haha. Why do you think I'm the one who is bringing this up?? Because it irks me and I'm not sure I'm going to keep it if it's bad.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Slicktune22:
The only reason im getting it is because of the bogo, all i do is jump when i get my gift card, jump it to a j3 and keep the money. Simple. Then pixel 2 here i come babyyyyy i just wish there we're more leaks
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] darkjedi:
My T-Mobile S8+ lags a ton. Opening apps takes a while, RAM usage is ridiculous and the even with a different launcher things are bad. I had to buy a OnePlus 5 to experience a fast phone. I'm tempted by this phone, but dat lag is too much.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Slicktune22:
I'm convinced that TouchJizz (Samsung Experience) is indeed 24fps while stock android is a fluid 60fps, samsung software engineers should upgrade the fps... It isnt fair... 930 plus tax and still lag/stutter?

The difference is explained here in this video, very informative

Checkout 00:55 mark

https://youtu.be/CaMTIgxCSqU
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Thank you! Disappointing to hear for sure though. Why do no reviewers bring this up? They always say they're still running fast. I don't get it. So people not consider stuttering as slow? I do.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Ryland Johnson:
Before you cancel pop over to the Pixel 1 forum and you will find exactly the same threads there stating the same problem. In fact I cannot recall owning a mobile and seeing here some owners complaining about smoothness and stutters. I am rather peeved with this as despite owning literally well over 100 mobiles over the years I have not owned one with this problem? Why am I being left out of this club? :crying:

Ryland
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] darkjedi:
I've had tons of phones in my day, but for some reason, Samsung phones slow down over time. I shouldn't have to factory reset my phone to get great performance. I love the features and hardware of the S8/+, but when your near $1000 phone lags, that's unacceptable to me.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
I'm not sure I've ever seen any speed complaints on the Pixel forum, and I frequent it. In general, yes, every device has this issue. Just not the Pixel line or Nexus line.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] anl2304:
Hey, I am not trying to sell you a Note. I don't care what you buy. I am just providing some perspective. It may not be wise to put much stock in one person's experience with a Best Buy display unit. That being said, if you had lag on the S8 plus, THEN I understand your frustration. It's not as if Samsung phones DON'T have a history of lag.

I have no knowledge of reviewers being paid. Some are not reputable, I get that. Most seem legit. Anyway, if I fell under the spell of Samsung-paid fanboys who review phones, I would have owned nothing but Samsung devices. Reviewers may like it, but if I don't, I return it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Ryland Johnson:
I completely understand your point. I am as far far far from a software expert as one can get. hardware, no problem.

With that point made clear, I 'understand' from those supposedly with software knowledge that Android 'can' suffer from numerous operating problems depending on what apps one installs and uses?

iPhone users don't get similar problems apparently because all apps are 'in sink' with the hardware etc, its a complete ecosystem?

I further understand from the boffins that one should turn ones mobile off every week and also reset it once every four months or so? They just write its to maintain the mobiles original performance qualities?

Maybe some one with the qualifications to write on this matter could help here? It would certainly stop me from writing about things I know nothing about apart from what I have read. :cool:

Like you I have read several times that Samsung mobiles are prone to slowing down after some time? Again I don't know about this as I don't keep any mobile long enough to asses such situations, as a caveat to that, now I am paying silly cash for these devices I shall start to keep my mobiles longer! :(

Ryland

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Mmmmm.....Consumers rather than enthusiasts are the ones forking out 1,020.00€ on a mobile device? :eek: I suggest you re think that statement? :laugh:

If one reads any forum or views any You Tube clip regarding

anything

we buy and takes it to heart it would make any and every purchase we make, including a pair of socks a bloody nightmare! One simply has to research as best one can and make a choice. So many aspects of buying such a device, such as a mobile phone, are highly personal and

subjective

with dedicated fans of all brands regardless of suspected issues.

I make it simple, I buy what is going to serve my individual needs. Samsung, in terms of smart phones, have been most innovative over the past years and the only serious contender to the IOS Fruity brand.

The new LG V30 is a magnificent beast of a mobile that should be high on any enthusiasts list but its not going to see any where near the amount of sales the Samsung Galaxy S6 and S6+ have seen. I think, I don't know, that LG are playing 'catch up' and maybe they will be a strong contender in the future, lets see. I hope so. Competition drives down prices (the exception being Apple?)

The fruity brand, from inception, make superbly micro engineered mobiles and have, with the iPhone 8, at last caught up with what some Android brands have offered for some years.

Its rather odd that I never read a negative comment from iPhone owners about the fact they are the most expensive mobiles on the market despite their recent lack of innovation? Mention paying 1,000.00€ for a Samsung regardless of its genuine merits and punters moan like hell?

I guess part of the problem is we are truly spoilt for choice.

Ryland
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] dontbeweakvato:
im getting exynos
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] jellyhead:
Phone in hand and buttery smooth. Not one hiccup or hesitation.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Torquemada288:
<sarcasm>But...but...the OP said the one they saw stuttered and lagged. You can't both be right.</sarcasm>
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] borisb:
Not gonna make a difference really.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] mobilehavoc:
https://xdaforums.com/galaxy-note-8/how-to/note-8-vzw-48-hours-coming-gs8-best-t3669425
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Given Samsung's reputation and my experience on not one, but 3 different Note 8's, (plus the cost of this phone), I don't think it was unreasonable to question this. I'm very pleased the real thing isn't stuttering for people!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Torquemada288:
Yeah, I was being facetious towards those that seem to think that the performance of a pre-retail demo model of the phone accurately shows what the device they receive will operate like. Besides the fact that the demo phone likely has half-baked software/firmware that isn't optimised, every previous punter that's handled the phone has opened a plethora of apps that are probably still running in the background. Demo phones are good for a lot of things but gauging something like UI performance isn't one of them. The fact that yourself and other have reported lag/stuttering on demo models but people who have received their device have reported buttery smooth UI response, seems to bear this logic out.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] dontbeweakvato:
(Dreams crushed)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] cdred:
i received my Note 8 by pre-ordering through Sprint almost a week ago. The device itself is GREAT!!! I use a few different launchers and realized that it lags when using ADW launcher and not on touchwiz. Gonna try a couple of different launchers like Nova Prime and report findings.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Try the Pixel launcher too (you'll have to sideload it). It's the smoothest experience I've had (although Nova Prime is amazing as well).
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] cdred:
I'm trying out Nova Prime right now. Works better than ADW Launcher. Liked ADW because I was able to create and use custom icons and a scrolling app drawer. Will give Pixel launcher a try also.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] stondec100:
This phone had better not lag. I preordered mine and will be getting it tomorrow AM. I'm still using my AT&T Note 7 and it lagged like a Banshee right out of the box and still lags just as badly today, no difference whatsoever. I only kept it because I'm absolutely dependent on the S Pen. Can't wait to get rid of this laggy Note 7 and the Note 8 had better not lag.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Nymenon:
Chrome is possibly the worst app to test scrolling smoothness. That browser is one of the laggiest browser on Android and lags on the Pixel too. Try something like Via Browser or Samsung Internet, both are flawlessly smooth in comparison. OP is just having a confirmation bias because he tried scrolling on one of the most laggy browser.

My Note8 is noticeably smoother than my S8 and is on par with other android phones..
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
No, no bias, trust me. Chrome is absolutely perfect on my Pixel. Never lagged once in a year for me. I don't know why you'd think it's laggy - it's flawless for me.

I viewed the same website on the same network on both devices side-by-side and even the salesperson agreed that the Note 8 stuttered and was not nearly as smooth as my Pixel.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] DowntownRDB:
I tried both the Nova Prime and sideloaded Pixel launcher. Both work great but I prefer the Pixel Launcher as it appears to be just a bit smoother.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Very happy to hear that - I plan on using the Pixel Launcher immediately once my phone is setup. I love this launcher! Used to be a hardcore Nova Prime guy but the Pixel Launcher was the first to make me switch!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] cdred:
The problem is ADW Launcher. It has something to do with how ADW redraws when switching from portrait to landscape and back. Upon researching further, it can be easily fixed with a command line. However, it requires root and root is not yet available. This command line keeps the launcher in memory and thus fixes the issue.

$ su

# echo ro.HOME_APP_ADJ=1 >> /data/local.prop

To undo these changes simply remove the entry from /data/local.prop

I noticed this issue when I had it on my stock Note 4, but never had it when I was using custom ROMS with custom kernels. I tried Pixel Launcher and Nova Prime. Nova Prime works really well with no lag at all. Took a little while to figure it out but got it set up and its working GREAT!!! ADW needs to update their launcher to take care of this issue.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Caillin:
This x10000 really. The people who think Samsung phones are "buttery smooth" are just ignorant of the issue or choose to ignore it, which unfortunately includes almost all reviewers excepting the XDA guys who actually point this issue out specifically with objective measures of frame drops using the GPU overlays.

Having a long history of using Galaxy Notes, up to the 5 and endlessly installing rom after rom after rom trying to fix the jankiness on scrolling in Chrome and specifically, the horizontal scrolling in Pallabre, using a Pixel was an absolutely revelation. I've not once had an issue scrolling in any app, at any time on the Pixel XL (including Chrome, even on crappily written websites).

I still really love the Note series of phones, and the cutting edge, large form-factor OLED screens, which is why I continue to lurk here, hoping beyond hope that Samsung fixes this systemic problem with each new release, but alas, it seems that butchering the stock kernel to shovel their features on top is going to continue being a thing until your general consumer actually cares.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Yeah the Pixel really spoils you.

On the bright side, some Pixel owners here who have received their Note 8 claim the Note 8 is on par. If that's true, this phone will be unbeatable. I have my reservations, however. I'll let you know my thoughts when I get the device on Friday.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Caillin:
Would be great to hear from someone who understands the issue. Do me a favour, and download Pallabre (not sure if you use feedly in any capacity for news feeds). Swiping through articles is the greatest litmus test I've found for deep level kernel interrupts for screen draws. It seems to be really sensitive to the slightest amount of hitches of the kernel. Would be really interested to see what you think side by side.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Downloading now. Never used it before but I'll give it a shot.

If not, I believe by year of using the Pixel has me sufficiently sensitive to scroll stuttering, so I can probably still get you a good feel either way. But I'll give this Pallabre a go.

Edit: Setup a news feed. I'm scrolling through the articles effortlessly. Note: This is my Pixel still. My Note 8 arrives Friday. Will report back!