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[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
If you want bootloader unlocked in Canada, it's the same situation like the LG G6. You will have to get the U.S. carrier unlocked version of the LG V30, which is eligible for official bootloader unlock. It will have all the U.S./Canadian bands.

Here's the LG G6 US997 carrier unlocked bands below. See, if you live in Canada, you would be fine.

U.S. LG G6 CARRIER UNLOCKED

The carrier unlocked LG V30 will be released probably mid-October, AFTER all the carrier branded models. It will work with all carriers and won't be locked to any. It MAY even have the T-mobile LTE 71 band...in addition to all the bands listed above. But it will at least have all the bands the U.S. carrier unlocked LG G6 has.

LG V30 US998.

Set a Google alert for that model number.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1357369-REG/lg_lgus998_ausasv_lg_v30_us998_64gb.html?email=
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcsww:
From what I was told when talking to a T-Mobile online rep yesterday. Only the version sold by T-Mobile will have band 66 support and support WiFi Calling. They could be wrong but some of their reps tend to be more knowledgeable than the average rep, at least from my experience.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
it's actually band 71 (600 MHz) for T-Mobile new LTE band.

Was discussed in another thread that all the U.S. LG V30 will have the same hardware (antennas), so possibly flashing T-Mobile radio will activate that band on the carrier unlocked version. That's something for a dev to figure out.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcsww:
Hmmm. I have seen 66, 69, and now 71. I don't care which one it is, I just want to make sure the phone I am considering has it.

Personally, I would ultimately like the dual-SIM version but I value T-Mobile WiFi Calling quite a bit. With one T-Mobile USA SIM and one Telus Canada SIM. I would like to ditch the two phones being carried.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4988

T-Mobile calls 600 MHz LTE BAND 71.

Band 66 is something entirely different. You can read about both there.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
Im debating a v30 or a note 8 but want to compare both in hand first.

Neither will be the CAN version since i dont waste money on devices with locked bootloaders :D

sent from my Note FE or S8 Plus (exynos)
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] nitramus:
Personally the note 8 is to big and the "artist" side is not for me. I need the best audio. And now rumors for axon 8 are starting so I'm starting to hesitate a bit between the two.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
Also rumors are ZTE is skipping the 8 label and will call it the Axon 9. To be announced in October.

Yeah, I'm curious about it also. See this page, page 13 of the thread:

https://xdaforums.com/moto-maxx/general/2017-phones-to-replace-2014-quark-droid-t3597950/page13

This post in particular:

https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=73686747
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
Never listen to carrier reps. They are often clueless. :p

U.S. carrier unlocked version (US998) will have T-mobile's 600 Mhz LTE band 71.

LG V30 US998 will have ALL the U.S. carrier bands, so you can take it to any carrier you wish -- even T-mobile. Otherwise it would be pointless to have a U.S. unlocked carrier version if there were any carrier bands it did not have.

Confirmed by T-mobile via Twitter. Thanks to [MENTION=772402]starscalling[/MENTION] for giving us the info. I found the Twitter post he saw.

https://twitter.com/TMobile/status/906909686682624000

He says you can buy it "directly from LG unlocked", but you can also buy it online from other retailers like B&H Photo, Amazon, etc. It's the same LG G6 US998 U.S. unlocked carrier model. IF it makes you feel better to buy it from LG, that's fine.

Since we KNOW the U.S. carrier unlocked version will also qualify for LG's REAL bootloader unlock (unlike T-mobile's faux bootloader unlock on the LG G6) THAT is the one to buy.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcsww:
Hopefully a custom ROM can add the WiFi Calling into the US998 then. I do use it and found it to be the only reliable way to get working cell service on a cruise.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] milan187:
Only thing that sucks about buying the US unlocked model is warranty right?
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcsww:
I never think about the warranty. I am in the US for half of the year so getting warranty service, if needed, shouldn't be an issue.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] milan187:
For you it works out I guess.

I had to get warranty repairs for both my Pixel and LG G6 recently.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcsww:
In some cases, the US warranty is valid in North America. Until the device is released though, only LG can confirm the warranty terms.

I bought a Nexus 6P for my girlfriend in Canada from Telus that she uses on AT&T in the US. When she registered the device, it issued her the full US warranty.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] Matrix_19:
according to *someone* (working at Telus !?) the price would be around 1000$ CAN (no plan)

https://www.reddit.com/r/lgv30/comments/6zk6z4/lg_v30_confirmed_pricing_in_canada_telus/
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
Sounds about right. That would be $810 U.S. (current currency value as of this moment), but it never translates exactly to the same exact figure, when it goes on sale in other countries. And they would do "$999" or $995" Canadian, not "$1000". Sales psychology.

For U.S. then would be $799, $849, etc. But $1000 Canadia ($810 U.S.) is in the same ballpark as other rumored prices. Over in South Korea, $846 or something but of course tweaked for their currency sweet spot.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcsww:
That's probably a guestimate because Telus is not carrying the V30 unfortunately. Freedom Mobile is the only carrier I am aware of definitely getting it. The V20 when it came out last year was about $950 through them but I have asked already. No pricing or the specific model they will carry as of yet.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] eventhorizon13:
Mind providing a link to that discussion?
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
Sure, this was the original discussion. But let me explain a couple of things.

First, most OEMs manufacture phones in the most efficient way. For instance,

people have been able to enable LTE bands on some phones from Samsung, LG, Sony, etc.

because apparently those OEMs first enable all LTE bands (sort of a global phone), then use software to RESTRICT what they don't want for various carriers or regions.

This is not a new concept. A

quick Google search shows more

. But that above is from an XDA article, which is developer-centric.

But it's not simply using QPST or QXDM to "enable" those bands, the hardware (antennas) also has to be available. On the Moto XT1225, which I own, many people tried to enable European LTE band 20 but it didn't work for one reason because the antenna didn't support that band. In software, it showed it was enabled but there was no way to transmit or receive that frequency due to lack of antenna support.

Now... what's more realistic? That LG would make a separate AT&T, T-mobile, Sprint, Verizon models -- plus all the Canadian carriers, all with different antennas? -- one make ONE "North America" template and then in a final stage lock out what each carrier doesn't need? ;) The HINT is that they are already going to release a U.S. (actually North America) "carrier unlocked" model weeks after the carrier-branded models -- the

LG V30 US 998.

Logic would show for manufacturing efficiency, THIS is really the base model the carriers are selling, including T-mobile. Sprint, AT&T, Verizon, T-mobile and all the Canadian carriers are getting a customized variation of THIS US998. It's just their branded versions have the bands enabled/disabled they specifically need.

Then, the US998 will have ALL the U.S./Canadian bands enabled -- probably including LTE band 71. If it didn't, then it really wouldn't be full "carrier unlocked" version.

Twice, the "management" Twitter account of T-mobile seemingly said the "carrier unlocked" version would have LTE band 71. Which was encouraging.

Then the "customer service" (T-mobile Help) Twitter account has questioned that. Which I laugh at. Customer service reps are typically clueless about what unlocking really means, and also they can't speak for LG. They can only speak for T-Mobile product and usually using scripts to go by. [emoji14] I know more than they do how OEMs like LG make phones. Plus, T-Mobile wants you to buy a T-mobile branded phone, not a carrier unlocked phone straight from LG or some other retailers.

But LG doesn't need T-Mobile "permission" for what LG does with a carrier unlocked version not sold or serviced by T-Mobile.

So, based on past experience and knowledge of the industry, I would bet all the North American LG V30 phones have the same hardware (antennas), and that the carrier unlocked version will either have LTE band 71 at release or hopefully it can be enabled by devs. Here's the discussion link:

https://xdaforums.com/lg-v30/how-to/t-mobile-600-mhz-lte-band-71-s-carrier-t3671351
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] bnevets27:
Just got my v30 a couple of days ago. Upgraded from my note 3. The GF just got the iPhone 8. Comparing to hers and based on remembering the signal strength on the note 3. I'm getting worried the reception sucks on the v30. I'm rarely seeing full bars. Though I am in visual range of a tower right now and have full bars. This is in Newmarket. I'm in Bowmanville frequently so I can check signal there. I do remember having singal just not sure how strong it was. Between that and locked bootloader... And now seeing no treble support... This is really souring my experience with the v30 which for the most part has been enjoyable

Not sure what I can do about it anyhow. Technically I'm within the 15days but over the 50mb/30mins (though I was never informed or signed anything about that, but I knew about it from my own reading) but I'm not sure of what other phone I would want and I doubt a "new" phone would help....
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] chriskwarren:
I was tempted to go by 'how many bars' as well but in reality, it really depends on your actual signal and how how your particular manufacturer displays it (ie. 4 bars on an iPhone might be reported as 2 bars on the V30, etc).

While I do use that bar indicator initially to see how I am doing, really you need to judge your connection quality on an app like LTE discovery, etc. as well as real life usage (ie. check your speeds and how often you actually lose data connection).

In the end, I don't really care how many bars I have, but I do care if I:

a) get a consistent connection (ie. not losing data, phone switches to hspa as needed, etc)

b) get good speeds (compared to other similar devices in the same location)

c) my phone is not blasting through excessive battery to get both a) & b)

Comparing your V30 to an iPhone might not be the best indicator, but it could be a clue. I am learning about the best way to diagnose this now as well, so I'm sure someone will have something to add to what I just said.

If you feel the need to return your device outside that 50mb window, you can call the Executive phone number mentioned to me earlier in this thread and they will help you. That is the route I took. Take LOTS of notes if you do.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] bnevets27:
Well I know db number is available in the settings of android. Apparently getting dB numbers was possible on iOS 10 and older but they removed that ability on iOS 11, which she is on. So unfortunately it does hurt being able to compare properly. I will say that I just noticed when leaving the house she had full bars and I had 2 or 3 so that's a significant difference.

Without another sim I can't compare my note 3 to the v30. Though I did get another sim for a tablet (got suckered into an up sale I usually don't and not sure if i was going to keep it so it hasn't been opened...) but I might be able to use that to diagnose

I agree I could car less about bars but if the antenna is not sensitive or what have you I don't want to be without signal in marginal/weak signal areas. It's frustrating to be beside someone in an area like that and be like "I have no signal I can't use my phone" friend takes out their phone, "I have signal" or worse car breaks down and can't call for help.

If anyone has any idea of how to get signal strength numbers out of an iPhone that would help greatly as I'm usually out and about with her so I compare a lot easier.

Speedtest was a good idea, got the app. Made sure it's using the same server.

2 LTE bars (-108db) = 7down 2up. That's pretty bad

Same building, moved a bit. 1 bar (-120db) 9down 0.37up. And having trouble loading this page to respond. About 3 feet from a window at ground level. 2 bars on the iPhone
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] chriskwarren:
This is my concern as well, and the reason I sent my phone back for a replacement.

In areas where you get weak signal (and preferably lose connection) on the V30 can you manually switch to hspa under mobile networks and see if that helps? For me, I got a much more stable connection when I selected that. The two things that made me send mine back were: a) concern about cell reception and losing signal in areas that I have had no issued with since my Note 1 days, and b) why my phone would not switch back to hspa on its own when the lte signal was poor or non-existent.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcsww:
More people to compare with always helps. If the issue is with the H933 V30's radio software, then more people to complain about the issue to carriers will help. My Galaxy Nexus, which I used on Rogers then, regularly displayed no signal with bars but I could maintain a call and data usage. It never would switch to saying, No Service, so no bars doesn't mean anything.

If you are with Bell and you want to return it. Then call the Executive Office number, tell them you haven't been using it because of the poor connectivity, and make sure you factory reset the device before taking it in. That way, they have nothing to argue with you about how much time and so on you used on the device. If you are with Rogers, I still have a number for a contact in their Office of the President that could be helpful. If you are with Telus, I have some contacts in their Executive Office as well that would help you out.

I am hoping some of you still have V30's when I finally get my hands on mine and after I return to Canada. Although I haven't been up to Newmarket in a while and haven't needed to visit Barrie and the surrounding area in a while. I could probably find a reason to venture up that way to at least run Cell Mapper in a few places to get some results.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] bnevets27:
-90db (4 bar) on HSPA. 11down 3up. Exactly same spot as the above test on lte

I'm with bell. It does seem the bars are arurate as my speed test and page loading was doing poorly on one bar.

There might be some truth to software issue. On HSPA seems in the last few minutes driving around that I have better signal (full bars a lot more)

But that as far as I know, isn't lte on higher frequency bands and therefore harder to have higher strength? With the band talk earlier is it possible the v30 doesn't have all of or the good bands for lte?

Add the fact that the software is likely trying hard to hold onto lte and not drop to HSPA... That might explain losing signal. Where it really should just be dropping to HSPA

---------- Post added at 03:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:50 PM ----------

That's weird, had full bars, did a speed test (6down 2up) and dropped to 0 bars and - 113db.

30 seconds later back to 4bars and -80db
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcsww:
That's not bad for signal strength. It is only HSPA but it's still very usable.

Edit: Just noticed your edit. When you tend to see drops like that. Either the tower is malfunctioning, the phone is switching to a different band (which usually is quick enough to not cause a drop), or the phones radio is restarting.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] bnevets27:
It seems in my 15min or so of testing is yes HSPA is more stable, lte signal strength does seem to bounce around a lot more
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcsww:
There can be a lot of reasons for signal to jump around. LTE signal tends to react more to congestion and interference. More rural towers tend to have less capacity as well. I know of two places in Toronto where the cell signal for Rogers can completely disappear. One is in the Orton Park and Ellesmere area and the other is downtown at Yorkville Avenue and Davenport. Rogers has been aware that the tower just west of Orton Park and Ellesmere has been almost useless for almost a decade now. When it rains, all service for that tower completely drops off. I verified this with a Rogers Field Technician who also confirmed they wouldn't fix it due to cost. Yorkville and Davenport is a congestion issue. I used to work in that area and literally lost service there on Rogers for most of the day. Between all of the buildings and people there, signal was very weak when it did exist. Again, Rogers wasn't interested in fixing the issue and chalked it up to capacity issues.

These are the reasons why you see carriers moving to lower bands, like T-Mobile. Band 71 as one example, has a much stronger signal due to the frequency of it. Band 12, 13, and other 700MHz bands produce a lot better service as well. Unfortunately, they are usually only deployed in urban areas first. When you head up north to Sudbury, Thunder Bay, and other more rural places, plenty of trees, mountains, and the cost to build towers are all major factors. Those reasons are why West Virginia in the US has such terrible cell service regardless of the carrier.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] bnevets27:
3 bar (-100db) on lte. 80down 6up. So it might also be a bit of how the bars are shown. Any general rule to what bad signal and good signal are dB wise? I installed lte discovery. I guess I can start to note what band I'm on. This test was done on band 2.

Doing a few side by side with iPhone speed tests. Down is about the same but up seems to be constantly a bit better on the iPhone. Few more tests and it's so inconsistent that there is really no conclusion to form. (thought I had set the same servers bit one app changed them on me so all the side by side were useless)

At home just did side by side and the v30 has actually been faster. 2 bars -107db band 7 92up 17down

Another. 3 bars -99db band 7 110down 16up. The iPhone showed full bars but had worse speed, down. I think 65down and 20up.

So it does seem like getting full bars on the v30 is more difficult in the sense that lg must have set the db to have to be really high (which of course is a lower number).

Really have to go to a weak signal area and see if the signal is lost entirely... And compared to another phone.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] chriskwarren:
This is precisely what happens to me, especially in the Ajax area (401 and Harwood area). If I'm outside in the open its better, but inside a building (next to a window, on the 2nd floor of a 2 floor building where I have always gotten a good LTE connection.

Keep taking notes and testing things out with HSPA. Next time you have a very poor signal manually switch to HSPA. I'm going to get my colleague to test some things for me on Wednesday.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] chriskwarren:
Going through this thread, I'm still unsure....are the LTE bands there to properly support a good LTE signal? In buildings, etc? My understanding was that this device was well covered for the market, and Bell Mobility in particular (and in the GTA in particular-particular lol).
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcsww:
There are a lot of variants in LTE bands. For example. A carrier can have service on band 12 block C where another carrier can have service in the same area on the same band, but say they have it on block A. What that is ultimately is the megahertz range on that frequency. Both are within the 700MHz band 12 spectrum but the actual megahertz of the frequency would differ. There are also different types of connections. 2x2 and 4x4 are more commonly know and they represent how each radio connects to a tower, especially when it comes to data. The more connections, the faster and more reliable it can be, especially when it comes to VoLTE. The best comparison I can think of his how cable service and cable internet work.

It is more than likely the H933 doesn't contain any carrier aggregation. Specific carriers models focused towards a single carrier are configured to perform best on that carrier. It has the specifics of their network programmed into the radio software to know exactly what to look for and what it can do instead of just searching across each band to see what there is. A simple comparison for this would be thinking of it like two people taking the same driving trip. One is very familiar with the area and has GPS to guide them there. The other person is in that place for the first time and only knows their destination and is expected to find their way there. Both should eventually get there, but one will get there easier and faster.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] chriskwarren:
Humm. The reviews of the V30 I have read mentioned carrier aggregation was supported, you are saying that there is a chance that it it turned off on the Cdn variant?

I'll see a guy tomorrow that will have a V30 in Ajax and is seeing some issues with reception. Is there an app, and what setting should I look at to see whats happening? It's not my phone so I don't want to mess with any dialer settings, but I could get some screenshots from his device that I failed to get from mine when I had it.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] sundoggy:
[MENTION=3116388]jcsww[/MENTION]

Did you get the tmo Lg v30+ yet? Let me know when you get it. I kinda want to know what are the bands that cover on that model

Thanks
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcsww:
I pick it up Thursday. It actually uses the exact same software and model number (buying it from my local T-Mobile store) as the V30 (H932SV) so it will have the exact same bands. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 20, 25, 28, 29, 30, 38, 39, 40, 41, 46, 66, and 71.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] sundoggy:
Did it say the band overage on the box? Also did you call in to unlock it yet?

I think also considering t-mobile V30+. Black does look a lot better.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] ShaolinMilk:
LTE on the V30 seems extremely weak. I do not get any signal in my basement while my girlfriend's iPhone work perfectly fine. My old Samsung's also had a stable signal..hmmmm
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] chriskwarren:
Where are you located?
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
You mean you will be able to enable all those bands via the hidden menu? It doesn't come with all those bands enabled out of the box, right?
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] bnevets27:
Coming from a Samsung note 3 that was rooted very soon after buying it when it was launched...

I'm starting to realize I should have done some homework before purchasing the v30.

What are the chances of our 933 getting root? I assume it needs an unlocked bootloader first, what are the chances thats going to happen?

Seeing all these 930 getting bootloader unlocked is a piss off. I don't know if I can live with a non rooted phone.
[LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcsww:
I pick it up this upcoming Thursday, the 30th. Because I am paying cash for it from T-Mobile, it will be unlocked on the spot by T-Mobile even though I am going to be putting my T-Mobile SIM in it. Carrier US models do not list the bands on the box.

They are selectable through the hidden menu but they are all enabled out of the box and the phone obviously has them enabled through the radio software. It's not like something has to be flashed or modified for them to work.