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[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Well, we hope you join us! Because you know a heck of lot more than me about how to build ROMs.

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Yeah, those were the days. LG G2 and LG G3. I helped a ton of friends with those.

Also because with the 2017 models, LG has removed all the ADB flash commands. Even though the LG G6 and LG V30 T-mobile bootloader can be "unlocked", it doesn't do any good without ADB flash commands. The phones are in effect still locked down.

This is why the

T-mobile LG G6 with "unlocked" bootloader still doesn't have root or TWRP custom recovery even six months later

, yet the

LG G6 official carrier unlocked versions released later are already overflowing the ROMs and kernels

. Even though both have UNLOCKED BOOTLOADERS.

Only with the official carrier unlocked versions are the flash commands still present, and those do qualify for official bootloader unlock. REAL Bootloader unlock in the traditional meaning of the word.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] el.quechon:
I was gonna get the v30 but if i cant get root im gonna have to get the note 8
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Why won't you be able to get root on the V30?

Just like the Note 8, you have to buy the right one.

Just read page 1. All the information is there. Everything after that (actual information, not discussion) is repeating information from page 1, for people who just won't read. ;)
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] LLStarks:
You're not getting anything resembling a real root with a Note 8, carrier branded or not.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
On Exynos, you will. Just like with V30 you have to buy the right one.

I just don't understand why he's saying he won't get root with V30 but will with Note 8. They're both the same situation. You have to buy the one that can be rooted.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] 89titanium:
I have the Verizon LG V30.... I don't care about custom ROMs at the moment, but will I maybe be able to in like 2 years?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] el.quechon:
My bad should've done more reading right now i own the nexus 6p which i love but suffers from the big core issue and the battery in starting to act up so i need to get some asap i really dont care about custom roms right now but interested in removing bloatware

But back to the point i understand what you mean now.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] stargate125645:
What are the odds we can get Android 8.0 sooner on the V30 if we go to the trouble of unlocking the bootloader and rooting after waiting for the carrier unlocked version? Last time I did these things (back in the LG G3 days), you were basically forced to use a ROM based upon the manufacturer's firmware to avoid most bugs, meaning you wouldn't get Android versions any sooner with a rooted phone. I presume it still works the same? The lack of an SD Card slot and wireless charging on the Pixel 2 XL really grinds my gears, so the V30 seems to be the best option, except that you don't get native BT 5.0 support on Android 7.x.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] SOCOM-HERO:
Really hoping for root on this phone. I have kept my VZW LG G3 thanks to Fulmics ROM. But it is getting about time to move on.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Well, both LG V20 and LG G6 carrier unlocked versions have 7.1.2 which the locked down versions don't yet have.

So, yeah, you'll get updates faster with custom ROMs.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] stargate125645:
I hope unlocking, rooting, and updating afterwards is a simple process, then! People writing guides on XDA are often not explicit enough for us laymen to follow. I remember on the LG G3, too, updating ROMs was a pain the butt, requiring flashing forwards and back versions to maintain root. It made me give up after a while just to make sure I didn't screw anything up. I'm still on Android 5.x on my LG G3 as a result.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ZerosMadness:
AT&T lists their carrier locked V30 as a global phone. They said it can be used on any US carrier and most foreign country carriers so I'm interested to see it in action. I can guess it even has band 71. It may not be listed but it would need it to use AT&Ts rip-off I'm assuming. Plus it is advertised as a world phone. The Verizon one is too but I looked into that one and it's missing quite a few gsm bands while the AT&T variant was missing just 2 cdma bands and had all the others. But I'm not sure. It may not after all they are using special buzzwords and saying 2x2 mimo and heavy carrier aggression which I hope isn't just the case because possible battery killer there..

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Okay well I got on LG live chat and basically the woman said it should in theory work with tmobiles 71 but there isn't a guarantee. So I guess don't rely on it unless TMobile can confirm it. It is listed as a quadband world phone that supports all major gsm carriers but don't hold your breath(for those wondering)
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Are you in the wrong thread, perhaps?

This thread is about unlocking the bootloader and rooting the phone, which will NOT be possible with any carrier-branded V30 models. Only the official carrier unlocked models will also have official bootloader unlock from LG (with full ADB flash commands), and those will be able to be rooted.

No, the AT&T variant does NOT have LTE band 71. Right now, only the T-mobile variant has that, and we're hoping the official carrier unlocked US998 (not to be confused with U.S. Cellular's US998) might have it enabled upon release. Or that is can be enabled via root.

If you are looking for

SIM card unlocking, there's another thread for that.

The official carrier unlocked V30 models (U.S. US998 and European H930) are already sim card unlocked, which you can use with any carrier around the world. You can see the

GSM/CDMA/HSPA/LTE frequencies of the various LG V30 models here.

U.S. Cellular is already selling a US998 model, actually both V30 andV30+, and their phone is the UNofficial carrier unlocked version. It has all the GSM/CDMA/HSPA/LTE bands listed in the link above -- but it won't be eligible for bootloader unlock and root. It is SIM card unlocked if you pay in full. Many people have already bought it and posted in this forum.

If you wish to continue this discussion either

this thread

or

this thread

would be better, as your question has nothing to do about rooting this phone I think?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ZerosMadness:
Not in the wrong thread pal. I was giving input to someone who commented earlier in the thread. You don't have to try and walk all over everyone here. We get that you "know everything" no need to repeat yourself. But it's best not to make false accusations till we receive official word. Crazy things have happened here before. If you're old enough you'd understand that.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] AndroServ:
i know that i will get the H930G, i cant change it or buy it from other place

will this model be rooted?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Not sure where the attitude is coming from, but you might want to actually quote the question you are answering somewhere "earlier" in the thread, otherwise it's a very strange and very off topic post. Especially if you want that person to see your post?

Your standalone post has nothing to do with bootloader unlock and root, and I was showing you where you could post information about SIM card unlocking and "global" phones.

You also posted misinformation in your post I corrected. AT&T doesn't have band 71 on their LG V30.

As I said in my reply to your post, your can see all the bands of the various LG V30 here:

https://www.techwalls.com/lg-v30-model-number-differences/

Also in the U.S., the FCC tests for all the bands that U.S.carriers use, so it's public knowledge what phones have what U.S.carrier bands. That would include T-Mobile LTE band 71.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ZerosMadness:
No attitude. Just stating your clear hits at people. I would understand if they asked for input but some did not. I didn't quote anyone because it was an answer to multiple posts and I hate having 10 foot posts. Some people like to keep the thread clean. Not off topic if you can keep up with a discussion. The threads I'm from we just know how to use the search function when having a discussion. I'm aware that it's off topic of the original post but its a part of another groups questions so it's more for them. It may be misinformation but we aren't liable for writing something from a retailer who has clearly labeled their phones otherwise. No one here can control false advertising. I'm aware of the FACT but I think you forget some people don't know how to get to that information. So you can't exactly be pushy with people because they don't know something. Better ways to handle the situation. Like I said calm down. You could have easily told people the right answer without a paragraph on how they are wrong and you are right. Example "small blerb of your words, proof"url"end quote". Simple eh? Xda really has changed a lot with unfortunately.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
This thread is about bootloader unlock and root. If it's a standalone post not answering someone's question --- which it wasn't because you didn't even quote anyone -- then something like SIM card unlocking (and "global" phones) has a thread already created for that purpose. I was pointing you there because it wasn't obvious you were answering anyone's question from anything being recently discussed in this thread. In forums, unless you are posting right after the person, usually you quote so people know what you are talking about. ;) but you already know that, right? :)

All you had to say was, "Oh I forgot to quote the post I was referring to" -- instead of getting an attitude?

I have no idea what that sentence means but it seems to be saying you are assuming LTE Band 71 on the AT&T LG V30, just because AT&T/LG says that phone will work on T-mobile. Well, it will work on T-mobile, but it just won't get LTE band 71. It doesn't need to get LTE band 71 to work on T-mobile. T-mobile has no standalone locations where they ONLY have LTE band 71 and nothing else.

Getting another LTE band or even HSPA is still "WORKING" on T-mobile.

The FCC has tested the LG V30 carrier-branded phones and it's public information which models have what bands. So, yeah, you did post some misinformation -- which I corrected to help others.

Not sure what you are arguing about. We're all here to help each other, sorry you are taking my post differently.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] gthing:
Never say never. It is entirely possible that carrier branded v30's could be rooted.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Going by the LG G6, it's not possible. LG removed all the ADB flash commands on both the LG G6 and V30. Even on the "bootloader unlocked" T-Mobile LG G6 there's still no root, after six months. Huge 23 page bounty pledge thread that's been abandoned as a lost cause. Because even with bootloader unlock, there's nothing else that can be done.

It was very devious of LG to do that, but it was to protect against exploits like Dirty Santa. So, even if you crack the bootloader, there's nothing you can do with it.

Both the T-Mobile LG G6 and even now the T-Mobile LG V30 have bootloader which can be unlocked.

Until a dev figures how to somehow install TWRP onto the phone, it doesn't do any good. And that is just the T-Mobile LG V30, where the bootloader can be easily unlocked. For the other carriers, you would ALSO first have to crack that bootloader.

Open door (official carrier unlocked version) vs. brick wall (carrier branded versions).

https://goo.gl/images/Cg24Vm

It's all back on page 1 of this bootloader unlock thread. You need the official carrier unlocked version for real bootloader unlock (with full ADB flash commands) and root.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] meathammer386:
Well what if someone gets those special firmware like they did on the S8 because they locked bootloader on it also took adb commands away and they still have root
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] gthing:
Yea, we understand the problem and that it has yet to be solved. But you're in this thread repeating over and over that it's not possible and the fact that it hasn't been done doesn't mean it's impossible. It means the solution hasn't been found yet. Maybe it won't be found - but it just doesn't seem helpful to respond over and over in this thread shutting everyone down and claiming it's impossible because it's almost certainly NOT impossible. The V30 looks like it will be a very popular phone which could mean more attention from devs which could mean more creative solutions. I mean, I'm not holding my breath but I believe with some attention it could be done.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Josh McGrath:
We can hope, but I don't think an engineering bootloader has ever been leaked for an LG device... But I haven't checked either.

OT: but on the carrier branded s8, does the engineering bootloader allow itself to be replaced by Twrp or allows only root?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] 20degrees:
I really hope people find access. But I'm in the same boat as chazz. This whole owning the phone thing is getting out of hand. The manufacturers stop updating them and we're stuck with phones we really don't own. I can update my computer whenever I want, I should be able to with my phone too. I haven't had root since the g4. The S7 and s8+ were free, but I don't care, I want my root back. I'll buy unlocked from here on out.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] SOCOM-HERO:
I just want to buy a phone that has root and development support. Seems like no such thing exists now.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] vibrantliker:
Pixel 2's or one plus both do.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] idkwhothatis123:
It is pretty crazy that in having a carrier locked device, our ability to have an unlockable device is hindered.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
You people aren't even reading page 1 of this thread are you? :p You're just jumping in, making comments that aren't factual, seemingly without knowing what's been proven over and over and over in this thread, starting on page 1.

The 2016 LG V20 has root and 4 pages of ROMs, kernels, recovery, dev work.

< Go ahead, click on that link and go look.

The 2017 LG G6 has root and already has 2 pages of ROMS, kernels, recover, dev work

-- which is impressive because the U.S. and European carrier unlocked models were only added to the

LG bootloader unlock list

2 days shy of July (June 29). So, that two pages of stuff is only 3 months of dev work. Even though the carrier-branded LG G6 models -- which still don't have root -- were released six months ago.

The LG V30 will beat both of them, as it has much better specs than the LG G6.

this year's Snapdragon (835, not 821),

quad DAC for all models (carrier unlocked G6 didn't have that, that I know of),

more internal storage for all models (carrier unlocked G6 models only had 32GB storage),

Qi wireless for all models (only U.S. model had that),

f/1.6 camera for all models (only LG V30 has that, of all phones)

1440p OLED vs LCD for the G6

Devs will flock all over this phone.

But we have shown over and over and over if you buy the official carrier unlocked LG flagship models you will get root and plenty of development support. So, why would you say root and development support doesn't exist? :rolleyes:

You just have to wait for the official carrier unlocked LG 30 models (US998 and H930) to be released and placed on the LG bootloader unlock list. LG releases those weeks after launch, so the carriers have time to fleece their customers.

However, if you meant the two official carrier unlocked LG V30 models haven't been released yet, yes that is true. Will be by end of the month. Then you have to wait for them to be added to the bootloader unlock list Took 5 or 6 more weeks for that to happen (after release) with the carrier unlocked LG G6. Let's hope it's more immediate with the LG V30.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ZerosMadness:
Guys don't bother. He has no reasoning skills and takes up way too much space to say one thing. It's best to ignore it and carry on with the original thread or answering questions some have asked in the thread. You can't help those who have no hope. But if we are keeping it on topic.

Page 1.) There is a difference between a Google device and different oems device. The Nexus and pixel line have very easy methods of bootloader unlocking and root. It's usually as simple turning on dev settings, selecting oem unlock, turning on us debug, and then using either wuggs or adb(you will also need twrp zip, root zip, and whatever else you had planned to install like ROMs or kernels). On lg we don't have a method for carrier locked devices so we can't tell you. However we do know it's a bit more involved for those unlocked phones. I came from a Nexus and it was incredibly easy. Before that it was htc and I had to pay for an unlock code, then use a bunch of software to eventually get root. The Samsung 8 series is fairly easy but has limitations like safety net failure and 80% battery life lock. But it works on all carrier branded devices as far as we know. So it's a bit more involved when it's not a Google product. I have heard carrier branded v30s are back to using the normal file type rather than the lg proprietary one we saw on the g6 so that may be a glimmer of hope. I wouldn't give up but don't get your hopes up. Just remember that a root is only gonna come to devs who actually need it. Most of them will flock to the unlocked model because it's less effort. Just keep an eye out.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
it's

incredibly easy to unlock the bootloader on LG flagship phones.

It's been said several times... You just have to buy the right model.

I've owned Google phones, Motorola phones, LG phones. LG's unlock process is very similar to Motorola's process. I've written a guide for bootloader unlock and rooting and helped tons of people recover bricked phones, unlock their bootloaders, etc. So, don't make this personal just because you don't like the answers.

Everything is already answered on Page 1 of this thread.

If you think you can't get root on LG flagship phones, then you haven't read page 1.

If you think there's no dev support on LG flagship phones, you haven't read page 1. Or try reading the post right above yours?

You wouldn't have

PAGES AND PAGES of ROOT, ROMS, KERNELS, RECOVERY if it wasn't faily EASY to unlock the bootloader of the 2017 LG flaghship phones, and there wasn't lots of devs support

.

What you are upset about, in denial about, is you have to buy the right model for LG bootloader unlock and XDA dev support. The official carrier unlocked models.

____________

Yes, some dev may be able to crack the carrier-branded bootloaders and find some way to install TWRP on phones with no ADB flash commands -- I am not discounting the genius of XDA developers. But it's been six months since the LG G6 was released to carriers, and three months since the carrier unlocked versions were place on the bootloader unlock list -- and those

carrier unlocked versions have root, ROMs, kernels, TWRP recovery

all within the first week.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
All my answers have been on topic. What you don't like are the accurate answers.

Here's a suggestion to help you. Why not start a NEW thread devoted ONLY to CARRIER-BRANDED LG V30 unlock bootloader and root. Of course, you would have to leave out the T-mobile LG V30 which already has bootloader unlock -- but no root. Unless you deign let them participate too?

OCTOBER 7, T-MOBILE LG V30

But a dedicated "carrier-branded"-only bootloader unlock & root thread like that would let you discuss all the various ways to possibly crack your carrier-branded locked-down bootloaders and root -- without being told to just buy the carrier unlocked versions of the LG V30 which will have LG bootloader unlock eligibility, all ADB flash commands and easy root. Because THIS current thread includes all LG V30 models, and you will hear that over and over. Especially when people say bootloader unlock and dev support doesn't exist. That's misinformation that will be constantly corrected. :) Because I can easily show you the LG developer support page and all the XDA kernels and ROMs.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ProAm500:
Though the "attitude" might be off-putting to some, I find the guts of what he is posting to be very informational.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ZerosMadness:
I'm not upset about you being right MR.Very large ego lol. Because someone can come along and make a root and then everything you've said could be wrong. And some could beg to differ that "everything" was on topic. The difference between us is I believe in our devs here. My issue is your dense and think everyone can go out and spend 800+$ on an unlocked phone. Most of us are stuck with paying off a device through a carrier so we have hope that some devs may be able to help instead of throwing in the towel. I didn't mention the tmo version because I didn't mention any specific carrier. Because bootloader may be unlockable but it doesn't do any good yet. And I've been to carrier v30 threads which is how I know about the file system finally being the standard rather than the one used in the g6. They used to say because of Knox Samsung phones will never have a root. But here we are with every Samsung having the option of being root enabled. So don't say it won't be possible. I trust devs more than some random kids on xda. I've been here since it was all Microsoft phone mods. There has been a lot of very amazing things happening. Now since the original question has been answered I am gonna leave this topic. It will probably be closed anyway because there have been quite a few answers and all we're pretty right.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Read the last paragraph of post #173.

I've said that many times.

I totally respect the XDA devs. But there are even some phones they've not been able to root and it's not for lack of trying.

1) IF they can do anything, it'll be to the T-Mobile LG V30 first, because there's no reason to crack the other carriers' bootloaders just to end up like the T-Mobile LG V30 right now -- with useless bootloader unlock.

They'll have to figure out a way to install TWRP without ADB flash commands or a way to restore ADB flash commands. More power to them, if they can do that.

2) Then, if they do that, they'll have to find some exploit to crack the AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, et. al. bootloaders.

Otherwise, it'll just be T-Mobile LG V30 of the carrier branded phones that will get root (if they can get TWRP on)...

Which carrier are you beholden to? AT&T? So, for YOUR phone the devs will not only have to solve the no ADB flash commands problem, but ALSO crack the bootloader.

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I haven't bought a phone from a carrier in like 5 years. I'm far from rich, but I learned you can save lots of money by going prepaid monthly service charge and paying for your phone in full (so you use that carrier prepaid plan).

I get fantastic in-store service from AT&T...just like "contract" (post paid) customers. I get 6GB high speed data/unlimited calls/unlimited messaging for like $38 per month. With low ping speed (low lag). All off the same servers as their postpaid (contract) customers, but I pay prepaid prices.

And I won't ever buy a phone I can't root on Day 1.

So there's where we differ.

IF you've already bought your carrier-branded phone, I hope your phone you bought can be rooted eventually. But you knew the risk. Because on page 1 of this thread, I laid it out very clearly. Back in September.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] jcsww:
If LG is smart. They will hurry up and push the Oreo update for the V30 and restore fastboot commands to all V30 variants. Otherwise, the V30 seems doomed between the screen issues on some and lack of a developer friendly device.