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[LG V30 Questions & Answers] bacon612:
T-Mobile variant? Pics or it didn't happen
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Josh McGrath:
Thanks for the update!! Lg still requires signatures and removed those fastboot cmds so I'm not holding my breath. [emoji35]

I wonder why we can't get an engineering boot like with the S7 and S7 [emoji34]
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Cobra04:
Huh? Unlocked bootloader lets you flash unsigned zips so if he got his unlocked already, it doesn't require any of that anymore.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] androidfilesharing:
You can believe it or not :p but I am sitting here with a bootloader unlocked LG V30 on T-Mobile
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] piyush7243:
Ehhh. Hard to believe but can you run some fastboot/adb commands with output just to be sure.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] androidfilesharing:
I will right now.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Oh my goodness. Go read my post. Please. Back on page 1, post #7:

https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=73652182

Then come back and tell us you understand why the so-called bootloader unlock on the T-Mobile LG G6 is useless, and therefore also the T-Mobile LG V30.

It's in that post.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] androidfilesharing:
I am assuming that since the device hasn't officially launched, that they have not updated that page.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
I'm referring to the useless T-Mobile bootloader unlock. They removed all the flash commands, except for bootloader unlock. Go read that post. Post #7.

I even quoted this from the T-Mobile LG G6 forum:

Like having car keys without a car to use them on. The cars has been melted down. All you have is the keys left (bootloader unlock), but nothing else to use them on. That's why the T-Mobile LG G6 still doesn't have root. It's a "locked down" unlocked bootloader. You can't flash anything with adb, you can't install anything.

I provided plenty of links and proof to the LG G6 T-Mobile threads.

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Go read

post #7.

I'll be happy to be wrong. I'm just going by recent T-Mobile/LG behavior. What happened to the T-mobile LG G6 is the same with the T-mobile LG V30. It's a "fake" bootloader unlock, vs a REAL bootloader unlock, for better description. The bootloader is unlocked, but that's all you can do -- just look at the pretty bootloader unlock screen. Just stare at the keys to a brand new car, and there's no car to drive.

For those of you who know who [MENTION=2684188]autoprime[/MENTION] is, here's what he wrote about the T-Mobile LG G6 situation, AFTER the bootloader was unlocked:

The LG V30 is probably the same.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Cobra04:
I see. Didn't catch that he was talking about the T-Mobile version
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Ah, thought you knew. Post #93.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Nukewire:
Everyone keeps saying the tmobile variant has all of the fastboot commands disabled. Had anyone actually tested it?

What commands can I run to verify if it does or doesn't work? I'm willing to put the work into it.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Zorachus:
Well this sucks. The LG V30 could be the best Android development and ROM phone in years, if they allowed it to be unlocked and had the commands for us.

Lineage 15.0 ROM would make this maybe the best phone of 2017.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] jcsww:
fastboot format cache

fastboot erase cache

I can't remember which is the correct one for the latest version of fastboot, but either of those commaads won't wipe anything or mess anything up.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Being tested, but you can do it too if you wish. See below.

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It's just the carrier branded versions that are locked down. You can have all the dev work you want on the carrier unlocked versions. U.S. and European.

Just wait a few more weeks for those to be released by LG and added to the official bootloader unlock list. Everyone was told to wait for those, if you want root, ROMs, kernels.

See post #6 for the warning. ;)

https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=73642190

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http://techbeasts.com/useful-adb-and-fastboot-commands-and-how-to-them/2/

fastboot erase cache

fastboot getvar cid

would be another non-destructive one.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Nukewire:
Looks like even though I unlocked the bootloader on the T-Mobile variant it is just like the G6... I can also confirm that you can lock your bootloader again after performing the unlock and it gets rid of the data corruption screen at start-up.

Here are some fastboot commands I tried to run...

C:\Users\Nukew>adb reboot-bootloader

C:\Users\Nukew>fastboot getvar cid
getvar:cid FAILED (remote: GetVar Variable Not found)
finished. total time: 0.005s

C:\Users\Nukew>fastboot erase cache
******** Did you mean to fastboot format this partition?
erasing 'cache'...
FAILED (remote: unknown command)
finished. total time: 0.003s

C:\Users\Nukew>fastboot getvar unlocked
unlocked: yes
finished. total time: 0.003s
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] vibrantliker:
+1
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] LLStarks:
I'm guessing it's unlocked, but you can't flash the recovery through fastboot. If it's like the G6, you'd need root first (which was never achieved afaik) and then dd the recovery.

jcase has been doing interesting work that may be helpful in establishing a backdoor.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] bacon612:
So there we have it. It's locked just like previous models. Now we wait for the unlocked variant...

Edit: locked as in the fastboot commands have been disabled the same was they were on the g6
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] 20degrees:
Thus the reason I will not buy another carrier branded phone.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] piyush7243:
I was planning to buy the dual sim version of V30 but not sure what kind of lock would be there.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Thanks for the screenshot, I've cropped it to only show the bootloader unlock question.

And you are right, T-Force gave the technically correct answer. In effect, the T-mobile LG V30 bootloader is locked down on this phone even though you can technically unlock the bootloader. The phone is locked down, because all the ADB flash commands have been removed. This is what some people have a hard time understanding because they've heard all you need is an unlocked bootloader. But this was all clearly discussed back on September 3, in THIS THREAD. It's just like the T-mobile LG G6 earlier this year...

IF you want dev work, you have to get the official carrier unlocked models of the LG V30 (U.S. and European) which will be released end of October. They will be eligible for official bootloader unlock.

September 3, 2017:

Some more information on the T-mobile LG G6 from an expert. Every time he says "LG G6" mentally substitute "LG V30":
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Thank you for confirming. I knew what you would find, but I was hoping I was wrong, you know?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Nukewire:
I believed you... I was just hoping you were wrong too... :p
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
I admire [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] a lot. He helped the owners of the Droid Turbo XT1254 finally get bootloader unlock and root a full year after Verizon released that phone. But since I won't own a phone I can't root on Day 1, and since I'm on AT&T, I bought the "international" version of that phone, the Moto XT1225 (LTE bands, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17, plus more HSPA bands than the Droid Turbo). And for Verizon users who didn't want to wait, they could buy the U.S. Moto XT1250, which was the EXACT same phone as the Droid Turbo XT1254 (same FCC ID, same Verizon LTE, CDMA bands), just a different model NAME. Sold by at least a dozen regional LTE/CDMA carriers in the U.S., the XT1250 ran on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card because the Droid Turbo was a clone of that phone. Verizon never had an "exclusive" on that phone, they just pretended they had and sold their variant as the "Droid Turbo" -- the only exclusive they had was a locked-down bootloader. :rolleyes: (

Same way Sprint pretended they had an exclusive on the LG V30+

, when U.S. Cellular is already selling it a WEEK before Sprint. ) All the Quarks, except for Verizon's Droid Turbo XT1254, had easily unlocked bootloader given free via request to Motorola. So, if you didn't have Verizon, the XT1225 was perfect; if you did need Verizon, you could use the XT1250 instead (same exact device as the Droid Turbo).

But for people who didn't know all this, who believed the hype that Verizon had an exclusive device called the Droid Turbo XT1254 (which was basically the 5.2" version of the Moto Nexus 6), and bought the locked-down Droid Turbo -- well a year later [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] and Sunshine came through and cracked that bootloader and gave them root. All the other Quark phones already had root, kernels, custom ROMs, but the Verizon Droid Turbo owners could then join the party.

So, yeah, you can hope for dev magic like that. He is a genius.

But if you don't want to wait perhaps a year (already been six months for the LG G6) just get the U.S. or European carrier unlocked versions of this phone, whichever you need.

This has all been said since the phone was announced back in August, so it's not news.

B&H has had a placeholder page for the U.S. carrier unlocked US998

we posted back on September 3. Page 1 of this thread:

September 3, 2017:
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] vibrantliker:
Sorry to repeat myself, still trying to understand, if the V20 was easily rootable pretty soon after release, why might the V30 not be? How soon should we know for sure about the carrier branded V30's?

I received mine already from T-Mobile but can return within the buyer's remorse period if there is the likelihood of a rootable option out there.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] jcsww:
At the very least, when the non-carrier models come out. If those have fastboot commands intact, then it shouldn't be more than a week or so after that. That is still dependent on the popularity of the device as well as those who develop for devices picking up a V30. If they aren't interested, they probably won't develop for it. The V30 does have a lot of competition. LG honestly needs a price drop to make the device more attractive, at least in my opinion. At $650-$700, that makes the device more of a must have compared to the Pixel 2 and Pixel 2XL, makes it half the price of Samsung's Note 8 and still way cheaper than the S8 and S8+.

A dual-SIM model is still one of the few reasons why I am still interested in the V30. Google doesn't make dual-SIM phones and Samsung's offerings are a lot more than I want to spend. Huawei has some decent offerings but I don't like the big chins, front branding, and physical home buttons. If it turns out the V30 is a bust in terms of fastboot, then I may just buy a V20 dual-SIM until something better comes along.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] vibrantliker:
My dilema is audio. I'm a big audiophile (for phones anyway) since I've discovered how amazing the V20 sounds rooted with Viper4android and a good set of headphones. But V4A is the key for me, which means I have to have root, and the quad dac helps a lot.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Read the top post on this page (#111), and the next post (#112). That answers everything.

https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=74080156

1) we've known about the carrier-branded versions before release. Locked down. There's no mystery.

2) you will need official carrier unlocked versions (U.S. US998 and European H930) for dev work. (U.S. Cellular model is also US998, but it's not the official carrier unlocked version that will be added to the bootloader unlock list. That one will not be sold by any carrier, but by LG, Best Buy, B&H Photo, Amazon.)

3) With this year's LG G6 and LG V30, LG removed all the ADB flash commands so you can't do anything with carriers branded phones, even if you do get bootloader unlock. That wasn't the case a year ago, with the LG V20. But we knew this before the LG V30 was released. We told people that back on September 3!

Go read the post. There's no other answers.

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Official carrier unlocked versions for LG V30 will have root, kernels, ROMs. Go look at the

LG G6 carrier unlocked versions forum, for U.S. US997, European H870)

V30 will be like that and more!

Only the official carrier unlocked versions (U.S. and European) will have official bootloader unlock with full ADB flash commands.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] vibrantliker:
Thanks for the explanation. That sucks! I guess it's the official carrier unlocked model then for me.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Zorachus:
Does best Buy typically sell the carrier unlocked phones ? I have a bunch of gift cards to use, and would be great to buy the rootable V30 from them, if they'll have it?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Yes.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
One important caveat. When the official carrier unlocked versions are released, we may not have bootloader unlock immediately.

For some reason,

took LG six weeks to add the LG G6 US997 and H870 to the official bootloader unlock list (June 29, 2017)

, AFTER the carrier unlocked phones were

released and being sold (May 12, 2017)

. SIX WEEKS. :rolleyes:

But after that, BOOM.

Dev work exploded on the carrier unlocked LG G6

. Go take a look at the link to see. There's two pages of various ROMs, kernels, recovery, etc. for the carrier unlocked LG G6. Paradise? Heaven?

Whereas if you want to see hell, go look at the

23 page thread for the T-mobile LG G6 BEGGING for root.

So, IF the carrier unlocked LG V30 is released end of October (as rumored by B&H mobile web page), could be six weeks after that (mid-December?) before bootloader unlock and root. Depends on how fast LG adds the official carrier unlocked

U.S. LG V30 US998

and

European LG V30 H930

(preorder now available!) to the

LG official bootloader unlock list.

_____

The good news for the G6 earlier this year,

LG waited FIVE WEEKS between carrier models and carrier unlocked models, and if October 27 is a REAL release date and not a "placeholder date" on the B&H website, then that's THREE WEEKS. LG is shaving 2 weeks off the timeline right there.

They also let carriers release a week sooner than the LG G6, after global announcement.

So, at every step they have tightened the timeline. Which means they may not wait SIX WEEKS for bootloader unlock, after carrier unlocked versions are released. Could be FOUR WEEKS?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] VR32:
from your experience would you suggest waiting for it to show on the official lg unlock list before buying the us998? or would you guess it just doesn't matter, just gotta wait for the lg blessing? not trying to hold you to anything of course, just getting a sense of it. I'm in the same situation, no carrier phone for me, will only buy a fully open dev phone. i just don't know how it's all changed since my G3 days, which was an ATT phone.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] veener79:
Wow this was a great read. I just changed over to T-mobile and brought out my S6's from AT&T. Hated having a locked boot loader. I want to get my hands on the V30 first. I want that 600mhz band on a phone. Sounds like some mixed reading of the T-mobile will be fully unlocked. Can't wait for people to get them in their hands. If I like this phone and the T-mobile is locked then I hope Best Buy will be selling the unbranded version with the 600mhz so I can buy from there.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
I can only give my opinion. Since I won't buy a phone I can't root on Day 1, I'm going to wait not only for carrier unlocked models to be released but for them to be added to the official bootloader unlock list. Because for me it would be frustrating not to do the things I want to do, and actually OWN my phone. I'm hoping it won't take six weeks after release for that to happen. If it does, hey I'll still have it by Christmas. A Christmas present to myself! :p

Uhmm. no mixed reading. :rolleyes: The T-mobile version is locked down like all the others. I'm not sure what's not clear about it. :silly:

People already have them in their hands, have run tests. See

page 12

, post #112. But we knew BEFORE release the answers.

Start at the

top of this page (page 12)

and start reading down. The very first post (post #111) says everything and even quotes a post from PAGE 1 (September 3) so really there's no confusion even BEFORE release all the carrier-branded LG V30 will be useless for dev work.

As for whether the carrier unlocked US998 sold by LG, B&H, Best Buy, Amazon will have LTE band 71, that's still an open question. LG can file an FCC amendment even two weeks before release to add it, or possibly with root the T-mobile radio can be flashed over it or some dev can figure out a way to enable it.

I would take the position it's not really a full "carrier unlocked" variant if it doesn't have ALL carrier bands, so it would make sense for LG to enable that band upon release. Not that LG needs T-mobile's permission to include the band, but it would benefit T-mobile in the long run for that band to be enabled on the carrier unlocked version, even if they don't make money off the hardware sales of the carrier unlocked LG V30 US998. So, they should encourage LG to enable that band on that phone. But we'll just have to see.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] VR32:
yep, that was my way as well, but now I'm thinking i may wait even a bit longer to see how the DAC driver thing plays out. that would suck to go thru all this and still have a significantly compromised experience, when I'm buying it to use the hardware. I'm sure a debloated rom would show but man do i like my vanilla!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] veener79:
It was post 89 where I saw someone saying it was unlocked. That was the mixed info I saw.

Guessing the unbranded versions do not go on sale as much as branded version do. That will be the only part that stinks.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
And yet

post #7 on page 1 (written on September 3)

fully explained the T-mobile "unlocked bootloader" LG V30 situation.

It's like telling someone, "If you jump off this 100 story building, you will fall and go splat."

Then, they run, jump off the building and they yell back at you, "Hey, I'm flying".

No, you are falling, and about to go splat.

We told people the "unlocked" bootloader for T-mobile was useless,

WEEKS before the LG V30 was released.

Based upon the useless "unlocked" bootloader of the T-mobile LG G6. Because starting this year, LG removed all the ADB flash commands. Yes, I understand people want to TEST, to verify. But posting you have an "unlocked bootloader!" on T-mobile LG V30, when we CLEARLY EXPLAINED (before release) that was USELESS, was in itself somewhat useless...

Sure, try to unlock the bootloader if you must, but then go ahead and run the tests verifying it's USELESS, then post THAT result.

We eventually got everyone to see that, but it's almost like they didn't even read the FIRST PAGE of this thread! :p

Carrier unlocked versions will be available for sale a few weeks after the carrier-branded ones. For the LG G6, it was five weeks after

carriers started selling the LG G6 (April 7, 2017)

before the

carrier unlocked LG G6 US997 was released (May 12, 2017)

. (Then,

six weeks after that (June 29, 2017)

, it was added to the bootloader unlock list. )

Hey, gotta let the carriers fleece the suckers first before the good stuff is released!

The release date may be sooner for the LG V30 carrier unlocked than five weeks from now. Carriers started selling earlier this week, and B&H photo website (visible on mobile view only) shows an "October 27" availability date for the US998. So, that would be 3 weeks, instead of 5? Hope so.

Also, hope the carrier unlocked versions are quickly added to the bootloader unlock list, instead of six weeks after released.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] veener79:
Yea after having great unlocked phones with past Samsungs and my HTC One I made this mistake with my current S6. We did not know it was going to be locked down with AT&T. I bought it pre-release. Not making that mistake again. Reason I am just not jumping on this V30. Thinking I will go unbranded if I like the V30 after reading all of this. I am not in a rush. Before my S6 I would run Roms that where unbranded and loved it.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] waylo:
This is a bloody-shame... the carrier unlocked ones won't necessary have all the bands that a carrier-specific one will (we'll hope, but I doubt). Also it probably won't support carrier-specific wifi calling, which is useful for many, including myself.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Looking to the carrier unlocked LG G6 US997 as an example, T-mobile VoLTE works but two people argued about whether wi-fi calling worked on T-mobile.

T-MOBILE

VERIZON
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Ayrow:
Interesting thread and a fun read.

I am on the edge of my seat with this whole thing because my rooted Nexus 6 is on it's last legs.

Because I have a grandfathered unlimited Verizon plan (not the fake "unlimited" plan Verizon recently rolled out), root allows me to hotspot the phone for my devices., especially the GPS on my tablet when I am on the road.

The V30 looks like the best (and most-logical) upgrade and I am really looking for to this phone.....if I it can be rooted.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Josh McGrath:
The LG V20 of all variants was able to be rooted and Twrp flashed (more like Injected) via a big flaw in the bootloader using the "Dirty Santa" method. This has since been patched several updates ago so it's useless to us now, and after the software P update on V20 as they are anti rollback 1 and will result in a hard brick. Same with the G5.

I'm with chazzmatt on this. I will not buy a phone unless it's root able on day 1.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] vibrantliker:
It seems the only phones rootable out of the box are the one plus and pixel. Are there others?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Josh McGrath:
I'm not sure on the others, but if I'm not mistaken, the new TMobile Motorola phone is bootloader unlocked like HTC did and actually has fastboot commands. Too bad it has a snapdragon 820...

My plan was to go with the HTC 11. But since they decided to destroy their company by being exclusive to Sprint, that won't happen and I'm still with my V20.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Deckardmac:
Tethering is permitted on Verizon's new plans. And their standard 15% mil/gov discount still applies.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Interceptor777:
International Galaxy deviecs (Note and S)
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] idkwhothatis123:
Just out of curiosity. Not that we have it yet or will ever get it, but with LGUP and an Eng tot/dll or KDZ, would we stand a chance at root on carrier devices?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] vibraniumdroid:
The new Moto Z2 Force from T-Mobile does have an unlockable bootloader and root out of the box. The Moto Z2 Force has a snapdragon 835 not 820. If you are talking about the HTC U11 that also has a snapdragon 835.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] NepoRood:
TWRP is relatively easy to build, once you have all your "ducks in a row", so to speak. Once this device has TWRP, custom ROMs will follow, it's the natural order of things ;)

I haven't made a decision on this device yet (I know what I'm NOT getting, *cough* Pixel 2), but I'm not the only one around here that knows how to do this stuff, lol

I also know a lot of developer types that don't care for LG at all...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] cultofluna:
Back on the days of LG g3 we could root the device without unlocking the bootloader...by installing " bumped " twrp img... why should not work something like this on the v30?:o
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Killua96:
Because since marshmallow is not possible to flash unsigned images with a locked Bootloader.