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[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] krabman:
It isn't about costs, the screens are actually more costly to produce, not less. It's about differentiation, style, and profit. Phones are getting good enough that the hardware is in many respects becoming a non factor. The phone industry is getting ready to enter the "appliance" stage. You don't really check the compressor on your new fridge, compare BTUs per square inch of burner, on stoves, etc. You look at the gross size, styling, durability/perceived reliability. The hardware under the hood is for most people generic, doesn't matter. Most of you should be old enough to recall this happening with laptops. Not to long ago laptops sold for much greater margins but as they got better for most people they became good enough, it became a value question, a styling question, rather than a hardware question. In the laptop industry however there was really only one operating system that mattered, windows. This made differentiation difficult when pricing was crucial and the result was the proverbial race to the bottom. Outside of the boutique systems for gamers most laptops move for a very low margin and it's a difficult business to compete in. They have become appliances.

Those happy people that make phones don't want this to happen to them so they are trying to create value and increase profits with style and differentiation before the performance factor becomes totally meaningless. They are also trying to wall you into their garden and for phones these things are related. When you know the clock is ticking and the hardware will soon become a non factor style and brand can still sell and is a way to avoid the low profits after the race to the bottom is complete. By locking you into their orbit they also act to make it so their value to you becomes higher because a move means hassle. Then they have the value add of harvesting your information and selling it. Remember Apple made 4 billion dollars last year serving google ads. Thats whats called free money and everyone likes free money.

So thats why, it's not really about right or wrong for the user, it's about holding profits up for the OEMs. If they make a same old same old boring slate they cant add value for style, they cant win brand recognition, they cant get the profit that those things bring. It's always about the money.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] fragtion:
I find the narrower phone much more comfortable/"natural" to hold in my hand & overall less fatiguing to work with - so while I completely agree that narrower display contradicts most of what the Note series should stand for, by compromising effectiveness of the stylus from a professional writing/note-taking standpoint, I have to say that I still welcome this change, all things considered. Obviously this is something Samsung takes very seriously and would not have have overlooked. Yeah the cost-factor is a major consideration, but I'm sure there were many other practical factors which weighed in favour of the new design.

I also don't want to come across as naive in saying this, but given how expensive the Note 8 actually retails for, does the "cost savings" argument really even hold much water, any more than it being a convenient excuse? The fact is, Samsung could have put nearly any price tag on this unit and it clearly wouldn't have made much difference to their sales at the end of the day. People are prepared to pay a fortune for this device, just because it's "the new Samsung Galaxy Note" -- so there urgency for Samsung to take cost-cutting shortcuts couldn't have been all that great. Then again, I suppose when we consider how much the Note 7 disaster must have cost them, I suppose anything is possible after all

Granted, we all have our preferences though, and I can totally understand why some prefer 16:9 form factor and might even be disappointed/angered by this trend. You could certainly argue that anyone looking for long/narrow flagship offering could just buy the S8+ such that Samsung should have left the Note 8 form factor untouched, leaving customers with more variety in this regard instead of conforming everything to this new fashion trend... but it is what it is, and the overall sales figures will speak the loudest in the end. Can't wait to see what the future of this space holds though
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] blackangst:
I use a Note5 for work, and Note8 for personal. I prefer the screen of the 8 much better.

This is way off topic, but me thinks you need to do some reading on how HD capacity is figured, calculated, and reported. Its not the same thing. At all.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Limeybastard:
I find the more narrower a phone more of a being ripped off / short changed nickel and diming like OP does , especially when it's a "Note". I'm allowed to air my views ? Being easier to hold in the hand is perhaps true, but this is the makers justification for cutting corners to increase revenue but still charge a premium.

Karma already came and bit Samsung in the ass ref: the N7 fiasco, it will continue to do so should they keep abusing their position ethically and their clients. I remember Samsung when they were chasing Apple clients for customers, as soon as they got what they wanted figures wise they put the middle finger up on the folks who made them bigger than Apple.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] herpi:
The same to me, I have both the 5 and the 8 here on the table, and I prefer the 5.

Also wearing it in my shirtpocket it extends too much.

No need either for a software home button. I really see not much advantage for a larger screen.

Was completely happy with the note 5. I bought the 8 because more memory. I use dual SIM so no SD card.

Disppointed? No, but still...

haha,

Huib

---------- Post added at 06:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:25 PM ----------

I was using the note in a public bus today. I feel a little bit embarrased with this screen. I cannot hide it in my hand, so everybody sees I have this huge thing.

Huib
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] pool_shark:
I noticed how much I liked the Note 2 when I brought home the Note 5.

Embarrassed by the size, no way.

I'm at a disaster recovery exercise and I've had my large screen phone in my hand all day.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] ggrant3876:
I had to return two Note 7's and purchased an S8+ prior to the Note 8. Came from a Nexus 6 and didn't like the tall and narrow screen at first but it has grown on me. Looking at the LGV30 it looks like all the top smartphones are going to the 18.5:9 aspect ratio so you might as well get used to it or go back to a three year old smart phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] DeetzSw:
Some of you are missing my point. The Spec looks like it's much bigger, and it is (taller much taller)

But when it comes to the functionality of being able to write, and sketch, and draw - I find that I have less real estate to use the S-Pen on the current Note.

Ok, maybe for lists, but....

And as for FAKE NEWS and TB,GB,MB base 10 vs. base 2 - it is all about reporting a SPEC that makes the consumer think this is better, bigger, more more more than it really is. It is deception at worst and misleading at best.

Not withstanding, the Note 8 is a fantastic piece, and any engineering endeavor is a compromise between decisions, but the CORE of the REASON for the Note8 is the distinguishing feature - the S-Pen. In this iteration, the S-Pen is compromised because the screen limits it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] shdwphnx:
All I can really say is that I have been using an Asus Zenfone 3 Ultra with a 6.8" 16:9 screen for the past year, and loved every minute of it. For me, that phone was the perfect size. The only reason I switched to the Note 8 is that I needed 4g with T-Mobile U.S.A.

While the Note 8 is a well built phone with a great feature set, Samsung's decision to go with the long, narrow screen was very disappointing (and is becoming more so the more I use it).
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] gingi999:
write notes horizontally?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] DeetzSw:
what about a sketch or drawing? one line or paragraph, ok, but...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] gingi999:
I happen to like writing notes that's why the note Series has been my number one choice and I also 10 to write in full sentences. So I just been writing horizontally because I feel like the phones are too skinny or my handwriting is too big.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] ZeroDefined:
Coming from a Note 5, I can say that I do not miss the wider display at all. As much as I enjoyed that phone, it was awkward to use and you were always aware of its width whether it was in your hand or pocket. Not the case at all for the Note 8. The added ergonomics of the taller 18.5:9 aspect ratio is realized almost immediately, the phone is totally usable in one hand and much more pocket-able. Moreover, the taller aspect ratio adds greatly to overall productivity as its perfect for multi-tasking and running apps simultaneously. I'll take vastly improved multi tasking capabilities on a daily a basis over being able to squeeze an extra character two on the edges of the phone any day! Furthermore, the S-Pen has double the pressure sensitivity of the Note 4/5, coupled with the finer tip this allows you to write smaller and much more accurately - thereby making better use of the available screen real estate.

[MENTION=5502719]DeetzSw[/MENTION] If your massive neanderthal hands can't handle it then stick to the precious Note 4, don't be blasting the device or its users when you have no first hand experience with it at all. The removable battery, flat screens and IR blaster are long gone, get over it! Don't like it? There are several other OEM's to choose from.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] pcriz:
I write pages of notes and dont have an issue, I also can draw and sketch fine.

For writing, the handing writing to text of the stock keyboard works fine for me as well as the google keyboard. For drawing there is this magical ability to manipulate the photo with your fingers to get the best drawing angle. There are a lot of "would be nice" elements to any phone so when you find a phone that isn't well into its planned obsolescence that can do those things please share it with the community.

Ultimately the screen isnt completely usable on the curve but if that sliver is preventing you from enjoying the device it seems to be a personal problem. Saying its "fake news" is kind of silly since the edge does have a function and displays an image. This is like complaining about the onscreen keys counting as part of the overall screen space.

If you don't like it then vote with your wallet.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] DeetzSw:
Maybe I'll skip this version and wait for the "Note X"

if you could double the Note8 side by side, I'd see how the trend evolves into something more usable... Wonder what you all will say when you have much greater expanse to use?

http://www.techadvisor.co.uk/new-pr...release-date-features-concept-images-3653300/

or the ZTE ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] rbeavers:
Got $1200. Saved up for the X , and still saving. Will be getting it if they ever release it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] vadimo:
Correct me if I am wrong but note 8 screen width is same or more than previous notes? Whilist the older versions looked like had more width space this isn't the case because it was non usable are - bezel space, note 8 just got rid of it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] DeetzSw:
no - it is substantially narrower. as the first picture shows - over 6.5 mm
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] vndnguyen:
Totally agree with the OP
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Kamikaze_Ice:
This is not consumer misinformation (hard drive sizes, screen of Note 8). Neither of those things are presented to be deceptive in any way, unlike some displays supported refresh rates or resolutions on some 720p displays (some are actually 1366x768 yet marketed as 1270x720, or 120Hz panels are 60Hz input with post-processing for 120Hz yet listed and marketed as a true 120Hz supported display).

This is simply misinformed consumers (comparing ratios vs diagonal measurement vs length x width = pixel count).

I know many don't like this aspect ratio, but here's how I see it.

It's taller in portrait mode, and wider in landscape mode. Seems like a logical solution to me.

I do agree about the usable surface area though. I'm always trying to draw on the curved edges. It would be nice if this margin was excluded or reduced when using the S Pen. It's needed for fingers (I still manage to hit the screen by accident with my palm due to by grip. Corner pushed into palm and ring+pinky are used to pivot the phone at that corner letting other fingers hit sensors/buttons/screen with no problem.)

Also, am I the only one who turns their phone sideways? I need to see more horizontally than vertically 90% of the time (websites, text, writing, etc).

That's why I turn my phone sideways.... Now I have MORE room to write. :silly:

Here's a fun site (Google's resource for material designers) that has quite decent compilation of devices for comparison (Note 4 and S8/S8+, but no Note 8. However the S8+ makes a close substitute in this case.). Click a device to get full details, including Portrait vs Landscape modes.

https://material.io/devices/

And this will explain what density (pixels per inch (px/in) & dots per inch (dp/in)) in

actual practice for Androids

. This is slightly different than the typical DPI vs PPI cases.

https://material.io/guidelines/layout/units-measurements.html

The Note 8 screen is still better overall (and one of the most accurate displays EVER MADE, amazing for video grading work even vs high end OLEDs with a 3D LUT calibration. First display to ever get an A+ grade from displaymate!), but I'd love a little more width just so the usable flat area matches how Samsung measures their displays (they don't curve

around

the edge like the actual picture does). Black bars on top/bottom don't bother me with OLEDs, as controls can be placed there or notifications or other crap that would irritate me popping up over a video
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] AlexHarvard:
Note8 screen width is 2.756 inches. iPhone X is 2.475 inches wide, if you're curious. The Note8 has 22 percent more usable space, that 99% of apps can utilize, or 18% more space if you allow the iPhone's ridiculous cutout.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] blecap:
I love the Note 4 width probably the best Note series ever, In fact, I still have it as a backup phone. Btw not all Asian men have small hands, don't stereotype please. I've seen Caucasian men having smaller hands than me. Doh.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] favvomannen:
I have a note 8 and basicly must have the phone sideways to do real work now. A bit sad.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Gizmoe:
Here's a solution, dont buy one. There, wasn't that easy...

I find the size just right. I dont feel like that douche with the ridiculous sized phone like some older models...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Limeybastard:
If only they did the very same screen as the note 8 flat. More usable area plus for me the bigger benefit being screen saver heaven!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] haircut123:
Flat bezeless note 8 would be perfect no light leak issue.as my note 8 was perfect until it got burn in on the status bar.had the screen replaced and now the phone has bad light leak and scratches .never will I take a phone to a Sammy service centre ever again.pure scum bags. They take no responsibility for the damage they made and the crappy screen they installed
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Limeybastard:
Where was the screen replaced? Was it in a Samsung store where they do it onsite? Did you not argue about the scratches that they made?

Not trying to be an arsehole but I remember that thread you created about getting the screen replaced due to slight burn in and I advised you against it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] haircut123:
I argueged I nearly had a fist fight with the kid in the store.they will not admit blame.there is nothing I can do other than take Samsung to court but I'm just a 23 year old with no cash.

I sold the phone on eBay for just over 800 pounds. Yes I'm the boy from the android central thread I had screen burn In after 2 months of mild usage.and I will never use the Samsung service centre ever again.i would rather get hit with a baseball bat.than talk to these cu××s again
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Limeybastard:
In that case there is little point in getting too wound up by this matter. Use the phone and enjoy it ,until the next best thing comes out.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] Mr. Orange 645:
Wait...you already sold it on eBay? Yet, you've been complaining about it the last two or three days in anither thread?

I'm starting to think that whole thread was just a huge troll job.
[YU Yureka Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tejesh.D:
Now we can fix the Yureka continuous bootloop without changing the battery

https://youtu.be/Q60ZkevoESc
[YU Yureka Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tejesh.D:
This video is tested on my device and works fine. Please let me know if it doesn't work
[Xperia Z2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ibrahime:
Sorry, i have sony z2 MM. 291 [root, twrp,mod cyberian app root greenify,mod sound],get reboot sometimes,and stuck cannot touch anything but touchscreen not problem...after stuck rebooting self.....

Why?
[HTC U11  Accessories] ryanyz10:
I have a pair of Audiotechnica IM-02's that are my main pair of headphones, and they came with comply foam eartips that I never use (I believe they are Isolation 500), so I decided to put them on my Usonics. They fit perfectly, and I think the fit/noise isolation is much better. Maybe something worth trying!
[HTC U11  Accessories] kinubic:
Was it he T-500 isolation comply foams off amazon? Recently lost the rubber tip. Looking for replacement

Thank u
[HTC U11  Accessories] ryanyz10:
I believe it is!
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kriss1151:
So been floating around past few months and it seems developement for the s6 edge plus is dead..

Is anyone working on anything?

Any roms due an update?

Anyone working on anything special?

This is not a moaning post, simply a post to see if we have anyone activly working on any developements or if developement is dead

Thanks in advance

Kriss
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soleali:
Had the similar feeling from last couple of weeks. I wish someone please shed some light on upcoming developments particularly about ROMS. Would be much obliged.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ruicc:
Same feeling here...Pixel rom seems to be the only one alive.

Great phone, small development....
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] masterx1234:
Yeah i stupidly bought the verizon variant, here i am stuck without a single root. Gonna sell it soon and maybe get a s7 edge
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Number 8:
Maybe when Oreo comes the development will be active again?
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soleali:
Can we flash every Note 5 rom on our s6 edge+? As I have recently flashed the updated version of Dr. Ketan ROM for Note 5 on my s6 edge+ and it is working flawlessly...
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wolf9119:
yes dead
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ruicc:
I really doubt that S6 will get Oreo.....
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Number 8:
HTV HD2 didn't get Nougat but runs it. Someone will make a custom Oreo ROM for s6e+ don't worry.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ruicc:
Yeah, but i was talking about a stock rom
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] CUSTEL:
It is quite irritating when I want to view the kaiser upgrading section and I have to scroll half way down the page just to view new threads. Would it be too hard to make 1 Kaiser sticky thread and link to the threads that are currently stuck within the first post?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Sleuth255:
Yeah, looks like we need a rollup thread here.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] we3zy:
I agree, especially with all the 6.1 discussions, the Kaiser section is bloated. But the irony, even with have a page of stickers, newcomers still ask the same questions the stickies answer.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] crispyj:
Judging by all of the questions we get, people aren't reading them anyways.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
The wiki contains links to every thread stickied, so we only need a locked thread to say read the wiki before asking any question and the "posting and you video" :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Yom:
Well, we need to SITCKY this thread as it touchs on a very important issue! NO MORE STICKIES!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ach2:
Most newcomers don't search or look at the stickies anyway so maybe 1 or 2 which contain the other stickies or point to the relevant part of the wiki would be better.

But, personally I'm not as tech savvy as most of you guys and I use them a hell of a lot either for myself or pointing others in the right direction - so don't lose them altogether.

If this is being tidied up - maybe we should start a new WM6.1 forum as well (suggested by others).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] austinsnyc:
I second a WM6.1 thread all by itself!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
I also agree this would be very helpful to have another thread just solely dedicated to WM6.1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
People don't use the wiki enough because all that crap at the top makes people think that there isn't any relevant information.

It needs a TOC and more interpage linking. If nobody objects, I'll think about spending some time to make it alot better (somewhat like my pages)...

On the other hand, it'd be *ALOT* easier if Flar would just hurry up with that MediaWiki upgrade that was promised when she was hired :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jarek91:
You know the downside to adding a WM6.1 section...half the posts in there will be about WM6.0 and half the posts in the 6.0 will be on WM6.1 because people don't pay attention to what they're doing.

Yes, yes I am a pessimist. Why? Because it is impossible for an optimist to be pleasantly surprised :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
We don't need another WM6.1 forum, we need less 6.1 dogfood :D

It's one of the reasons why I've decided to stop working on the WM6.1 ROMs and offer what I've done up to everyone, so that the best chefs actually improve on it.

Hopefully this will placate the need for people to post their own ROMs, because what everyone really wants to see is quality, not quantity.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jarek91:
I agree with _Alex_ about the wiki. It'd be a lot more useful if it was laid out a bit better. I try to find all the information I need without asking questions and I find that his wiki pages are easier to deal with than the regular pages. If we could get the wiki straightened out, then we could collapse all the stickies into one with a series of wiki links in the first post.

just my .02eu (cause the USD sucks right now :) )
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] CUSTEL:
wm6.1 thread/section is pointless. What will that accomplish aside from more clusterfucked questions that will be asked in both upgrading and wm 6.1?

WM 6.1 doesn't distinguish it's own section it's not like what wm5 was to wm6 with the hermes or other devices.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] anjew:
in defense of the stickies, i'm quite new and have found almost every single one of them useful.

=)