yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] scoobdude:
This is interesting....

https://labs.xda-developers.com/store/app/uk.co.boconi.emil.obd2aa

So it looks like there is some sort it authentication happening which adds your apps to the list.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Kingcraft:
AA 3.1.581054 is available since yesterday evening on my phone. Is there a connection?

I did not update yet and OBD2AA was still working yesterday, when driving home from work.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
No I have disabled that page for time being till I work out the new workaround.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
Nope I'm not affected yet and I installed 3.1.58 this morning and still works so the blocking is coming from somewhere else.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
Looks like Google is getting more and more serious about 3rd party apps...

This warning wasn't there before version 3.1.5
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] mikera67:
It's strange the notifications still come thru from your app, I'm no expert but wonder if that can be used to get around this latest block
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] m00n61:
Just a quick note: custom apps are gone from HUR also.

P.S. I can still access custom apps in DHU.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
Shoot me an email I'll send you the pre alpha version of next HUR for a test.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
Ok I finally got blocked, myself the block does looks to be server side so almost nothing we can do on the phone, there is still a very small loopwhole I'm going to exploit but it will take time (weeks probably) till I will get the the first trials out....

Till then all you can do is try to put a bit of pressure on Google to make OBD2AA official... I don't suggest asking for YouTube video player since that was what angried Google in the first place:

https://productforums.google.com/fo.../pLTqJpGGFPs;context-place=forum/android-auto

As more you weight your comment in the bigger chance that Google will nodge something....

Of course I will be working on a hack...

HUR users will probably the first ones who will be able to enjoy the hack...
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] inkspot1967:
very sad this isnt working anymore
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] NU13:
Well this is a bummer!!! Was loving having PIDs on my HU.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] FormelLMS:
Hey Emil,

Seems that there is now a whitelist for Android Auto.

Look here:

https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...ow-message-previews-hd-graphics-apk-teardown/
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] mikera67:
Yeah it stinks it's not working. Had to start using my phone Mount again to display torque info.

I don't see Google allowing this or hardly any other apps which I understand to a certain degree.

Their argument is don't want people distracted, which I get, but using maps, Waze, you look at the display just as much as this app, maybe more when you don't know where you are going. If they want no distractions, don't offer a screen display at all, have every app only have audio prompts while moving, then you could change the name to Android only audio.

What a joke
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] DeanGibson:
Use an inexpensive tablet

Or you can just buy an inexpensive Android tablet that supports Bluetooth, & use that in addition to your AA-connected phone. In the USA, bookstore Barnes & Noble have 7" tablets for $50. I had an old 9" Barnes & Noble "HD+" WiFi tablet that I sold on eBay about 9 months ago; perhaps I should have saved it.

One could argue to Google that using a separate tablet is not as safe (due to mounting locations) as using the vehicle's head unit, and "people will do what they gotta do."
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] fbike:
[MENTION=4031599]DeanGibson[/MENTION]
[MENTION=1491423]Formei[/MENTION]LMS
[MENTION=842765]Emil Borconi[/MENTION]

HI

As says [MENTION=842765]Emil Borconi[/MENTION], as does [MENTION=4031599]DeanGibson[/MENTION], as I do,

The best way is that a large community post their observations here https://productforums.google.com/for...m/android-auto

As in French we have this idiomatic "The earthen pot against the iron pot" union may make strong and great...
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
I agree with you guys and while I was almost always on Google side in many cases, I'm a bit pissed with them now, I was always been told that "safety" comes first, which I can understand, but banning the obd2aa app as unsafe while allowing "swipe to unlock the phone" is deemed safe, I find it at least irritating not to say more.

I will bring back the obd2aa app for everybody (I cannot live without my speed camera warnings for one) so I do have the strongest motivation to get this to work, till then please post your comments on the thread: https://productforums.google.com/fo.../pLTqJpGGFPs;context-place=forum/android-auto don't be rude because that won't benefit anybody, but buy giving more and more voice to the topic we might be able to convince Google to whitelist the app. Due to the fact that I have a TC status on that forum I won't make any public comment, it will be a bit odd for me, to public post on that topic due to direct implication with the project, however rest assured that I will give voice to my frustration directly to the AA team in private.

Once again till I work on the workaround please post your comments directly to Google product forum, if all the obd2aa users will do that, I'm pretty positive that it will have an impact.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
Oh one, not which goes against me now, recently AA allows swipe to unlock, so for those who cannot leave without the car data, you can place your phone in a holder and view all data directly in Torque instead of seeing it on the car screen.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] FormelLMS:
I don't think they will whitelist this app.

I really have had some ideas the last nine years to get Android better, but google has totally deaf ears to their customers.

Look at their apps. Every looks other. Look at their Oreo version for pixel 2. Bugs here and there, seven updates, but none of them fixes the bugs.

This is an behavior since Nexus one from this company. They can't and they don't want.

I really like Android but I can't understand what they are doing.

I will post to google forums after I get a bit cooler than now...
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] ShannonPricePhoto:
Why are people saying they can't use it anymore? Mine works just fine. Use 2.9x version on AA and win.

Thank you for this app! It works perfectly and use it every time I get in my car.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
It's only a matter of time, it's a server side switch which they have triggered and eventually everybody will be affected.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Yamarocket630:
Can you explain in generic terms how they can block things from the server side? I get how an update can prevent things from working on my phone, but what do google's server have to do with data going from a bluetooth adapter to an app on my phone to my car audio unit?

If my phone were in airplane mode would they still be able to block it? Not saying that's a solution I just dont understand how a server block works.

---------- Post added at 11:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:20 PM ----------

Maybe someone should create an app that emulates android auto... is that ever possible?
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] mikera67:
If it's a server side switch, unless you stay in airplane mode they can change about anything they want, AA talks to the server I believe to fetch things like white list ( allowed apps) and things like that
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
I'm not sure at wich version they have added, neither 100% sure of how they implement it, reversing and app it's not easy and most of the functions are obfuscated which makes it even more difficult, but in a nutshell, the code in AA builds a list of all AA apps by reading what's defined in each app which is installed on the phone. Then it takes this list and pass it to a "GoogleAPI" which is the big unknown for me at the moment, I would need to document myself more on what this API does exactly, apparently loads of things, and again the code is obfuscated, it also checks using the same api if something = Developer if not it removes the apps from the built list. Trusted package names are allowed (read Google packages)

This is in a nutshell and in more or less plain English.

Yes it would be possible to build and Android Auto app, till some extent, but it will be very difficult to make it interact with all other apps, also Android Auto heavily relies on Google Play Services wich is a system app with higher privileges, to do many of the tasks which aren't possible from simple user apps. So while technically you can build your own "Android Auto" it will never be the same as the real thing.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] bggold:
Just to further trouble shoot for Emil I tried airplane mode and it did not help.

I'm sure it is cached and once you take it out of airplane mode it would revert.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] fbike:
hi

to m'y opinion Google adopt a behaviour for position of domination.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
AirPlane mode will only ever work if you somehow manage to get a clean install on a device, and put the phone in airplane mode at the point, better said take the phone offline. The GoogleApi is connected with everything, play store, play services, maps, whatever is Google, meaning as soon as you simple log in with your Google account to install the app, thinks like this can be flushed to your phone. Again this is a theory I haven't verified it in details, I'm sure give the right ambition and amount of time, this could be found somewhere on the phone (probably a sqlite3 db) but it won't be readable/accessible to the end user so chasing this idea it's most probably wasted time and it will lead to a dead end.

The good news is that I have confirmation from guys who got blocked, that with the latest version of HUR (my Headunit app) this limitations are off, so in case there are HUR & OBD2AA users here, I suggest you update HUR to alpha version and you should see the OBD2AA app again. Since I made it possible there I will make it for simple OBD2AA users as well it just takes time.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
That might very well be the case.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] jb.traveller:
Emil,

"The good news is that I have confirmation from guys who got blocked, that with the latest version of HUR (my Headunit app) this limitations are off, so in case there are HUR & OBD2AA users here, I suggest you update HUR to alpha version and you should see the OBD2AA app again. Since I made it possible there I will make it for simple OBD2AA users as well it just takes time.

So for us factory built in units it won't work?

PS Just been out and the AA google screen has the Street name and speed limit, is that from your AA obd2aa? Still not working though.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
Factory units it will take a while till I make all the changes in obd2aa to make it work, I don't want to disclose what I'm going to do because I do not want others start copying the fix, previous fix was very simple and many figures it out, on this occasion the fix is much harder to implement and it does require a relatively deep understanding of AA so I'm positive that it won't get copied that easy.

Yes street names and speed info is from obd2aa.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] fbike:
Hi

I have downloaded AA 3.0 and installed it back

App doesnt work with this version (invisible) wich was the las officialy installed. but it is ok with AA 2.9

I think that package installed on m'y Phone as G+ maps... have some responsabilities.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
That is possible, I haven't looked into the source of 2.9 only 3.0 it is possible that in 2.9 they aren't using any kind of validation of the 3rd party apps meaning no server side switch will have any effect. If that's the case roll back to 2.9 and disable updates for AA. It won't hold forever because as is tightly related to Google play services and at some point it will require you to update or it won't work at all, but till then if AA 2.9 works stay on it, till the fix is ready.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] fbike:
HI [MENTION=842765]Emil Borconi[/MENTION]

I read just above, that if you install your app HUR available on the playstore you can use odb2aa with AA 3.xx and app won't disappear ? If I understood (my english is not so good )

If it's the case, I think that most users on XDA should buy the app in order to make a contribution to your effort, maintaining obd2aa in order to work.....Even if they don't use it.... TILL google understand the bug on their whitelist !

7,99 euros is not so expensive !!!!:o

Best regards

Christian
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
Hi.

Not really, the HUR app is the "car" in other words you install the HUR app on a tablet or Chinese android powered unit and that device will act as the car, so instead of buying a new car or an expensive pioneer/Sony/etc which supports android Auto, you buy a cheap Chinese unit+HUR and you have the same thing.

I hope it make sense.

Those having an Android Auto compatible car already have no benefit of the HUR app.

See this video to understand what HUR is: [youtube]j-Z5SbQQsZA[/youtube]
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] fbike:
What newbie I am !!!! ok :) understood
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
Not a problem :) , don't worry if they key to getting OBD2AA running was as simple as installing the HUR app I would have give it away already to everybody....
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] fma965:
i can't download my purchased obd2aa as you have removed it from XDA labs and i reinstalled my rom on my phone. (using HUR)
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
I've emailed it to you. Sorry I need to keep it disabled I cannot sell an app which isn't working at the moment.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] fma965:
surely its worth selling it since it works with HUR which it was it was originally made for wasn't it? no worries though thanks for the APK. sorry about the idiot youtube players :(
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
Indeed it was started as a side project of HUR but it outgrowth it quite fast :) and the number of non-hur users is much higher then HUR users...
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Alphaelectric:
Vote Down Android Auto!

Hi Emil,

while us users cannot really appeal to the Google staff who has word over the apps going into the store or not, we can always beat Google at it's own game ... and this means voting for the Android Auto app in the store!

Previously, I voted for AA and gave it "5" stars plus great written feedback.

So, yesterday I went ahead and reduced that to "1" star together with a remark that under this ridiculous policy this vote will stay until they allow OBD2App into the store.

I'd like to ask everyone who has bought the app and is using it under a regular Google account to do the same.

VOTE ANDROID AUTO DOWN BECAUSE OF THIS. LET THEM KNOW YOU CARE!!!

All the best

PS: While this is not a permanent solution, reinstalling AA v2.9 brought functionality back.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
That is one way but this thread is read by Google employees and AA developers so posting a comment here has a higher chance of being noted by Google: https://productforums.google.com/d/topic/android-auto/pLTqJpGGFPs (@fbike)
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] NU13:
Have also given it a one star with a stated reason being i cant run AA obd2.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Alphaelectric:
Hi again,

in this case, I will post my email to google in here, too.

"To whom it may concern,

I am a frequent user and buyer of services by google. I understand that I trade data for the services rendered and that is fine with me.

While I am very satisfied with the overall quality of your services and products, I wish to address one issue that really bothers me: OBD Support in Android Auto!

I love Android Auto and use it every single day! I have in fact waited for a software just like this, to bring together my favorite phone applications and make them usable inside the car. In fact, in the past ten years while smart phones were on the rise, I have made numerous attempts on my own that included a crazy amount of adapters, cradles and cables.

Now we have Android Auto and while maps and calls are great, I have bought my new radio with one more feature in mind: read OBD info!

This is the single piece that completes the puzzle. My car is from 2005 and does not have a fancy LED dashboard like other cars today.

Thanks to the ODB2 Plugin from Emil Borconi (developed at XDA Labs), I am finally able to do that.

https://xdaforums.com/general/paid-...uto-torque-t3657805/post76042479#post76042479

With it, my car tells me if the roads get icey and when the engine has operating temperature. It warns me of traffic cameras and dangerous situations ahead. I always have the most important gauges in view - just like the old analogue gauges I had in my 72 Buick and 72 Toronado! Only digital and better!

Unfortunately, after updating to AA 3.0+, this plugin no longer works. I understand that there are issues with it going against certain guidelines.

I believe that this - while technically justifiable - does not do this application justice. If you look at the attached picture you will see that the information presented in this app does not distract the drive and is purely informative. It is not flashing, not disturbing, not loud and does not require my interaction.

Being a true innovation to the Google play store and a real improvement for people driving cars that don't have expensive LED instrument panels, I would like to make a case for this app.

Please alllow this app onto Android Auto and into the store. This is where it truly belongs.

Thank you very much for your consideration."
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Kingcraft:
Very well written Alphaelectric, thanks for doing that!
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] inlovewithsue:
Thanks! Followed your recommendation and put my review to a 1 until they bring back OBD2
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] bsm123:
Hi, how come obd2AA has been removed from xdalabs? Anyone got a link for the apk? Thanks
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] mic18u:
Because google banned it from Android Auto, so it's been temporary removed so no one else can buy it until a fix is in place, I'm sure Emil can email you the apk..
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] bsm123:
Ah ok. Emillll please email me the apk.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] emersonmsd:
Changed my rating for AA to one star.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] :
I did the same.. If it has 0, this would be my choice.

All should do the same. Google should change the name.

Google using the name "android" which is similar to open for android auto which is probably the most closed system.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
Nice sum up, please do post it on: https://productforums.google.com/fo.../pLTqJpGGFPs;context-place=forum/android-auto as well.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
Sure but please email me to borconie@gmail.com
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Alphaelectric:
Most certainly! I hope it helps !
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] bhebert2940:
I was able to regain use of carstream and obd2aa by downgrading my AA to v2.9. I turned off auto updates and I will keep it at that version until there is some sort of resolution to the newer versions.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] elfeo:
it works obd2aa with AA to v2.9 where it can be downloaded
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] mikera67:
No dice here, tried a few older versions of AA.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] bhebert2940:
PMed you the link as I can't post it here due to forum restrictions
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] barry666:
Do You have another link you can pm Me [emoji16]?
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] bhebert2940:
PM sent
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] barry666:
Thanks I got a package seems corrupt error on the Android installer screen when it started, anyway thanks will keep searching
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] froader:
Confirming this to be working. Nice to have OBD2AA working once again!

Also, I should have thought about trying this, but thought it was server side so app version wouldn't matter. Fingers crossed!

FYI, for those looking for the app, just go over to apkmirror.com
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] m00n61:
It will only work until the first update to Google services. With GPS ver 12.5 it won't work anymore.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
Not quite, I'm on GPS (Google play services) 12.5 and with AA 2.9 it still works...
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] jb.traveller:
Just downgraded to AA 2.9, do I need to patch again? I will try later today or tomorrow if it works. Should all of us on 2.9 report back if OBD2AA stops working, that way Emil will have a bit more data.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] jb.traveller:
Okay, AA 2.9 works without any patch. I had another Samsung SW update this morning ( G930FXX52DRC3 ) this was before I removed AA 3.1 and installed 2.9. :D
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] m00n61:
Lucky you :)

I was on AA 2.9 and GPS 12.1. There was an update of the Google app that also updated GPS to 12.5. Anyway, after that update custom apps stopped working in AA2.9 also.

All hope is not lost, I am currently running AA2.9 with custom apps on Lineage 14.1 :)
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Toto1971:
Emil i have purchased the app but i need it to reinstall with AA 2.9 have a rooted S8+. How can i get it?
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Goon818:
Hello guys you can download 2.9 here.

https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/android-auto/android-auto-2-9-5749-release/
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Emil Borconi:
Send me an email to borconie@gmail.com
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Toto1971:
Installed AA2.9 and obd2 but is not woking.

Any idea ?

Also question my phone is rooted but when installing obd2 it will not ask for root rights is that normal?
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Goon818:
Yes this is normal.

You must activate the developer modus from Android Auto an then the option allow unknown sources.

In these video you see, that you must do.

[youtube]cr7Onzl5jro[/youtube]
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] niewiederfrei:
Hi,

yes i know and all done but the app is not visible in AA in the car.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] capt.kitsune:
Hi Emil, are you able to send me a link for the .apk download?

Thanks in advance!
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Ahpigsy:
So downloading AA 2.9 has fixed it for me. But how do I stop Play store from upgrading it to version 3.x?
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] bhebert2940:
Turn off automatic updates
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Ahpigsy:
Well, that update didn't last for long. Soon after returning to install version 2.9 I got the AA error message that the cars software maybe out of date and AA exits.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] froader:
Go to the play store and under AA uncheck auto-update via menu. This is per app!