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[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] eagleeyetom:
Guys, please. We want to have it polite. You don't really have to throw crap at each other.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] impulsar:
Google never violated GPL, do some research before just saying anything :eek:
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] nasir.da.vinci:
That's how team hyper not violated gpl

No need to release source until its stable.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] impulsar:
[MENTION=3544509]eagleeyetom[/MENTION] do you agree with him?
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] eagleeyetom:
GPL is simple. Binary = source.

So, let's say that the kernel was released today, so its source must be available today. That's the perfect scenario.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] #MiUi:
GPLv2 asks only for kernel sources.

The device trees are dependent on the wishes of developer.

But till now, in my experience, I haven't had a device whose developer didn't release the source of the device trees.

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That is against XDA policy. A dev cannot fork and present it as his own work. He has to give credits at least. Ain't I right [MENTION=3544509]eagleeyetom[/MENTION]
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] eagleeyetom:
Here's a rule:

12. Sharing

XDA-Developers is based on the principle of sharing to transmit knowledge. This is the cornerstone of our site. Our members and developers freely share their experience, knowledge, and finished works with the rest of the community to promote growth within the developer community, and to encourage those still learning to become better. There are those, however, who take advantage of this model and try to make personal gains from the hard work of others.

In order to preserve the delicate balance between sharing for the good of the community and blatant self-promotion, regular members and developers alike must understand (and agree) to the following:

12-1. Give credits where due - Credits and acknowledgements for using and releasing work which is based on someone else's work are an absolute must. Works reported to have no credits will be taken down until proper acknowledgements are added by the member in question;

12-2. Courtesy - While most of the work released on our site falls under the umbrella of open source, that is not the only license model being used by developers on xda-developers. In order to prevent problems, we ask that if you decide to base your work on someone else's that you check the license model being used (as it might not be as permissive as one may think);

12-3. Re-releasing other's works as your own is forbidden. The code that you release into the wild must have something beyond minor aesthetic changes that makes it better than the last. As this can be subjective, kang reports will be reviewed on a case by case basis. If you feel that your code has been kanged, please contact the Dev Relations team (listed below) if you cannot solve the issue amicably via PM. Please understand that you will be asked to provide evidence to substantiate your claim;

12-4. Developers can issue take down requests (by contacting the Dev Relations team) under the following circumstances:

- in-process builds start showing up on forums when the developer is not yet ready to release the work;

- cases in which another developer is too aggressively soliciting donations or misrepresenting the work (kanging);

- unofficial builds where an official build is already available;

In summary, we want people to have access to work and knowledge alike. Sharing is good and courtesy and ethics go a long way.

Developers with questions, comments, complaints, or concerns about our rules (or anything!) should send a PM to our Dev Relations team (efrant or sykopompos) or to a Moderator. We are here to help!
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] #MiUi:
So anyone cannot fork sources and present as their own work.

See [MENTION=7125732]nasir.da.vinci[/MENTION]
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] tuxmaster3105:
I am just saddened to see that this community is in need of intervention by XDA mods.. Iv been a Linux enthusiast for over a decade and have been hanging around XDA forums over 5 years and four devices but never have i seen such a thing happen. I dnt know anything about fan boys or inter/intra dev team politics, but just the fact that all this is happening points to a much more fundamental issue. And that is the fact that this community (of land users n devs) doesn't truly understand and hence not able to embrace the true spirit of open source!

Most of you devs are pretty young (not undermining your skills and talents in contributing to the development of land) to really understand how Linux/Android/open source got to the point where it is today - competing heck to neck with the apples and Microsofts of the closed source commercial world! I can tell you right away that it did not happen by bickering and snaring at each other about who gets to score more cool points!! Bloody grow up ppl..

XDA is not Facebook! I have seen ppl posting replies as if they are commenting on a damn status update.. Sadly the culture of popular social media has greatly eroded the values and decorum of good old usenet like forums. Respect and appreciation for fellow devs has been replaced by jealousy and unhealthy competition!

Please ppl, it doesn't matter who got it right first, what matters is how you can improve upon it and make your contribution to the collective effort. That is how this revolution started and it is our responsibility not to let it squander.

Peace
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] m0eter:
Well, all this is kinda embarrassing. I'd like to hope everyone could come together and develop with combined force and in a more or less civilized manner. Just like almost everything in the open source community. But it seems these bridges are burnt here...

I can speak only for myself, but I'd never touch a ROM, when I can't check the kernel, device tree and the vendor files, and thus can't rebuild it on my machine. To me, this is the reason for using open source software: being able to check and rebuild binaries.

But since it has gotten to the point where some devs have to be forced to release the bare minimum to comply to the GPL, it all seems quite bleak. It seems that the equivalent of writing "FIRST!!111!!!" under a random reddit post is more important, than actually improving the quality of the sources.

But maybe this will all resolve.... here's one hoping.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] SKA97:
guys, you all started quarreling in this too.... guys please stop.. just dont humiliate others...

there is a proverb - give respect to get respect...

dont forget that...

after all we're all bros...
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] nervehammer:
i think my fellow friends have just make sure that folks reading this thread clearly understand what is an open source contribution, difference between kang and contribution, GPL compliance, some more xda rules which people tend to break.

What just happened was a past and now we should move forward and collaboratively get rid of any issue encounter with land. :)
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] MSF Jarvis:
Forking is allowed and you can also release it if you make changes. Simply forking and renaming is wrong and a violation of XDA rules yes.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] eagleeyetom:
As the discussion stalls, let me weight in to express my concerns. I'm not taking any sides - just merely mediating.

Let me tell you a story. I joined XDA in 2011, right before I bought my first Android smartphone. I was overwhelmed by the number of active projects available for my small device. Additionally, all sources were public and guess what? Other developers contributed, gave proper credits and used those sources to make the community strong. My device, that was initially released with Donut, lasted until Android 4.3. I wish all of you to have a similar result.

I understand that not every member here make things by the book. In fact, this is the reason we are here. Our goal is to eliminate the violations, lecture the offenders and make your life happier. Unfortunately, we are only humans and don't know about everything, so we need your input to properly do our job. If you believe that someone violates the forum rules, GPL or whatever, let us know through reports.

Sadly nobody from Team Hyper weighted in to say why the team is so reluctant when it comes to publishing the source? Even the most incomplete source is better than no source at all. I fully understand the frustration of some of you, but there must be a valid reason. I'm asking Team Hyper members to participate in this discussion.

On the other hand, insulting the members is not a way to solve the problem. We need mutual respect to find some sort of resolution. I think that we need to go back to the old times to see what to do to make a community happy.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] BlueFlame4:
I think you spotted one core problem: Many people mix up XDA with Facebook. IMHO the Thank-O-Meter is part of that problem. How is this any different to Facebook? You get "likes" for good posts. I think the idea of the Thank-O-Meter was to have useful development posts highlighted. In reality posts like ETA announcements, screenshots, etc. are "liked" much because they ignite hope for a sooner release of something.

The implicit problem here is that

a) Developers are encouraged to tease the "crowd"

b) The "crowd" gets a reward from these teasers (i.e. they are excited)

c) The "crowd" sees the developer as a kind of "god" who will one day release something to be their "saviour".

d) The developer gets a reward from the flattering of the "crowd" (like on Facebook).

a)->b)->c)->d) form a perfect Thank-O-Meter loop here IMHO.

^------------/

If you look closely you see that the above loop focuses on one person or at least one group while ignoring others. This developer is encouraged to keep his sources closed for as long as possible while getting more and more prestige for his "contribution". The crowd gets a new release while the developer is flattered more and more. He will not release his sources because then he is not "god" anymore.

Every new release == more flattering => more rewards for both sides.

Obviously the developer wants to release as often as possible, which highlights the next implicit problem I see: Not doing things properly..

The more I browse on GitHub the more I see stolen commits that were just copied instead of "git cherry-pick"ed. Why is that so? Well, developers are encouraged to deliver FAST but not properly. Of course it's easier for a beginner to just go to GitHub via browser, use CTRL+C/CTRL+V, git commit, push, voilá. The resulting binary is the same, but it's not the proper git workflow and credits/GPL are violated.

Another good example for not doing things properly is SELinux. How many so called stable (!) ROMs out there are SELinux permissive? Why should you tailor an SELinux context if you can just set it to permissive and it works. Do you even know what SELinux is!? The average Joe probably doesn't know and doesn't care. You as a developer have the responsibilty to make the device at least as secure as the stock ROM though!!

Conclusion:

It's always easy to rant about "the crowd" being retards or developers hiding sources. If you ask me these things are only symptoms of a bigger problem though: A very reward-driven culture that is implemented on XDA and in the internet more and more. The "user" wants it NOW and he doesn't want to THINK much about anything, it should just work. The developer wants to get hyped NOW! It's not about the device but about his ego.

Surely it's a great thing to have rules like "Do not ask for ETA" but they contradict the current implementation of XDA (Thank-O-Meter/Donation-Button).
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] #MiUi:
Please, we are waiting for you TeamHyper.
[MENTION=5786839]karthick mostwanted[/MENTION] [MENTION=6620830]darshan1205[/MENTION] [MENTION=5713232]chaubeyprateek[/MENTION]

C'mon make your statements.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] groovepeppy:
Agreed
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] ledd988:
Devs stop talking and start working :D.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] wasimsiwan007:
Im waiting fof blueflame build!! Any news about it ?
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] psychopac:
Here you go

https://xdaforums.com/xiaomi-redmi-3s/how-to/discussion-lineage-os-14-1-blueflame4-t3629854
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] ledd988:
Toxic!!! Uuuuu I like it. I don't care dude... Thanks God you don't run this show and never will. :)
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] nervehammer:
hyper team do not really care about device at all they want money , fame and monopoly . I asked them to release device and vendor tree and they kicked me out of there telegram group .

They are blinded by fame and money . I feel as they are relatively young (age) they don't have spirit of team work rather they are in phase of competition who wants to impress more girls in their schools.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] groovepeppy:
this post made me sad

feels like leaving this device ?

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=73536217&postcount=271
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] StaticBlaze:
Indeed :(
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] william.johhn7!:
Yup. I'm back on MIUI just because of that.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] nibaji:
Did team hyper ask you money?

Or some guys just showed up saying that they are collecting money for RDs to buy device for giving the users N?

Maybe you are confusing RDs with Team Hyper.

Did you see them banging girls or asked you to arrange? Or is that your profession? [emoji57]
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] JoKeRLeE:
I think this thread create more problem between user and Devs ....
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] batatok:
No. I think this thread is a good idea for everyone to speak their minds and solve the present issues. For this it is necessary that all parties get involved in a RESPECTFUL manner. Let's just hope that all involved turn up here and find a solution that allows for a better atmosphere in our XDA section.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] william.johhn7!:
True. This thread is meant for improvement of atmosphere between users, testers and developers alike. But I've watched carefully and there are instances where the discussion turns against the developers. This thread will only be useful if everyone cooperated and appreciated the worthy.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] alexnh:
Failure to disclose bugs

Too many ROMs for land have (minor) bugs which are not disclosed in the OP. I would like to see devs be more honest about the little problems so we can make informed decisions about what to flash. Instead we must trawl through a 100 page thread to see what bugs are being reported by other users. I have entirely lost faith in some Dev teams and stick with an older ROM (fedosis) rather than flash then discover bugs or issues. This failure to disclose is dishonest and leads to users losing trust in devs. Similarly when a Dev team releases many ROMs but ignores the issues and abandons their ROMs I lose faith in them. I understand when this leads users to become frustrated and impatient with devs.

I think a lack of collaboration and competitiveness between Dev teams is leading to slow development for this device.

I have never before been witness to such a fractured and frankly childish development forum as we have for this device. It is shameful.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] amnher:
This is what i fear the most. Instead of true spirit of team work, this competitions and ranting exist and comparison between devs causing this divisioning and even abandonement. And we suffer because of this. If this atmosphere goes on, not only devs will go but also the future of this device development may die. i have been with many device in this forum staring from xperia x8/w8, xperia mini, xperia L, xperia z1, xperia z1 compact, samsung s5, nexus 5(love the communty there) and now redmi Land. I have already encountered trolls but never an atmosphere like this.

Just imagine if this group of devs cooperate instead of divisioning, just imagine the achievment it can reach. We have already lost zwliew and now this, dont wait for the time when all devs are gone. Selfishness has no room in a community of teamwork.

Peace
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] impulsar:
People need to understand that there must be something wrong that's why they're being objectioned.

Introspection is the need of the hour.

Let's wish the goodwill is restored (Or produced magically if it's not there already) :). And all the guys work together with real goodwill
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] TeamMex:
I started at xperia x8 too , I know eagleeyetom from his dev team on x8,

and well i never see people like that, this is the first time That I find people like this.

I am always open to receiving and / or helping when I can.

I was very comfortable in the community of Moto G, G3 and moto Z play until I arrived here

I bought this phone because I found it interesting and I never believed that everything that happened would happen, if I had known, I wouldn't bought this phone and would have gone directly to a redmi note 4x

If we get together maybe we would do big things but many have a huge ego others can not stand the pressure of being attacked.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] amnher:
Yeah i recall him overtaking that gingerbread rom for shakira hahaha

I also remember your rom lol

Anyway i hope this community can restart again for a brighter future that would benefit us all. And set aside differences and this "FAN" thing but instead support each other in the community
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] Pain29:
Hello i have a question

Can a developer add any malware or any type of virus in custom roms? If yes then what about official custom roms are those malware free ? I heard official custom roms have to pass a test to achieve official status ,is it true? :confused:
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] groovepeppy:
no offense or comparing devices user but i've joined desire, sensation, nexus4 once.

those 3 devices really made me feel nice using android device.

healthy forum

here, too much user demand without respecting dev's precious time.

very very sorry to write this, it's not applied to everyone here though.

you know what i mean rite, serious, no offense

just my opinion :(
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] nasir.da.vinci:
Finally!!

Goal of this thread Achieved.

hypers left development

[MENTION=6544538]impulsar[/MENTION] [MENTION=8445899]#MiUi[/MENTION] [MENTION=4269226]amnher[/MENTION] [MENTION=5186682]Suo.Eno[/MENTION] [MENTION=5578040]nervehammer[/MENTION]

Its celebrate time for you.

[MENTION=3544509]eagleeyetom[/MENTION] now you can close this thread and block me too.

And you can close the WHOLE redmi 3s thread if you want peace. Because some people in this thread replied to show , we redmi 3s users dont generate logs, ask ETA much , senseless, brainless, and abusive. So xda should block every people who don't know how to get logs and how to act in xda developers site.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] wasimsiwan007:
Is there other good developers here for land? I don't know about it also blue flame also left ik fedosis nd thia guy. So is there chances that land development will not die ?
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] m0eter:
Sure, a ROM developer can install anything he wants on your phone. It's especially easy to hide in vendor files.

This is why complete open sources are important...

Official lineage Roms are built from completely transparent sources on their git. So at least you could check.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] nasir.da.vinci:
Dont speak like noob neither they will block you too
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] batatok:
Nope. You seem to not have understood the purpose of this thread, at all. The purpose was to get ALL the parties together and find a solution that allows for a less toxic atmosphere. Not all involved took part in this. No solution has been worked on. Instead valuable devs have left development. I hope our community will learn from this and mind its behaviour and the rules a little more. Maybe we will see more Devs joining (or even returning) then . . .
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] nervehammer:
That's your mentality then let me tell you that it hurts land development directly and you think that this is our propaganda. Hmm that's really sad :(

You don't understand thing properly. They are responsible for this drama, they don't have to be in XDA for building rom and sharing it and ask for donations for the same. If you don't like your school kid you either change your school or stick to their rules, and violation of there rules == punishment !!!.

If you are in XDA you have to follow the rules and regulations.

You either don't understand properly or not trying hard to understand things properly because your eyes is covered by some group of peoples.

Cheers :)
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] impulsar:
Again, I won't spin things round and round and put my views in clear words.

First of all, mods know their work so stop teaching them. Second up, we always wanted reconciliation, not departure. If that's really their final decision then we totally respect it :) Otherwise they're requested to cope up with other devs, follow rules properly and help the whole land community.

Thank you
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] Vynikal:
So, a few observations from someone who follows Redmi 3s development only sporadically...

No, I haven't been in the Telegram group of HyperTeam, I don't know them, but the I've seen some ranting from many users here.

Seems like every noob believes he is entitled to his own opinion and somehow gained right to have all the ROMs fast, stable, etc...

No, you're wrong.

Developers do this in their free time. For free. Because they like doing it. They're doing it because of them, not because of you. It it only their kindness to share their work with us, ordinary users (including me). As BlueFlame4 said... it's not about fame.

Anyway, as almost all custom ROMs published here seem to be made by HyperTeam members (fedosis and TeamMex being exceptions), I've gotta ask: where are the device and vendor trees? I saw the kernel tree (may not be up to date though...), but the other trees seem to be private. I know there isn't any explicit law to share them (unlike kernel tree), but I think it breaks the spirit of open source anyway. You kang code from others, but they can't from you? That's not the right way... TeamMex has everything on his Github.

Just my two cents.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] lambroslnk:
XDA and this device needs this kind of maturity and cooperation. The good thing is the majority of the normal users will stay behind and support the efforts of mature developers. Just like they did with Fedosis who continued Zwliews work with decency and activity in his thread. Despite not having rom dev experience like he stated, he maintained the most successful Redmi 3s ROM so far. Your Nougat ROM could follow in the same steps. Wish you luck in any path that ends up happening.
[Xiaomi Redmi 3s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] impulsar:
Exactly, [MENTION=2952739]fedosis[/MENTION] is loved majorly because of his attitude and his habit of keeping us users updated :)