[OnePlus 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] theduke7:
[MENTION=4487956]S4turno[/MENTION] , oh...i'm not going to quote that entire thing :D

1st of all , i don't see a promise tbh, their wording was clear, they'll try to give some sort of a solution, the blobs few months back was a good 1st start, and people are asking them to Open Sucre, that's why carl made the comment i quoted. (my mistake on the OS being Open Sourced)

about AOSPA, as i remember, crazylex said it was open couple of times on the thread...i'll check it though.

that said, ofcourse they have some problem, i'm sure they're not the same ones, but that's the nature of development, Facebook suffers bugs and downtime to this day (also apple released brand new phones with bad OS update a couple of time)

the OPX couldn't be updated (like the Z3) because of the SoC, Qualcomm didn't release updates for the graphic driver for 801 , so there wasn't anything to be done, they can't develop their own Support for the chip...i know this because i had a Z3 (among a long list of Sony devices) and at that time there was a statement by Qualcomm i think.

the OP2 on the other hand suffered because it had issues (even HW wise) that OP couldn't (or wouldn't bother) solve... i can't defend OP for this though, that's the one time they promised and didn't keep their word (the one time)

Samsung people are like Apple people , sorry to say, their Zombies, but at least on Samsung's case at most cases they are justifiably so(supported by good hardware on flasgship devices and fair support)

Apple on the other hand... oh my, the SoC thing is can't be proven, that's the way Apple's like it, let them put android N on their IphoneX and let see how it fairs! it's designed for their OS and just that, i have give them the OS update point though, but again that's a google issue not OP issue, Google needs to make 1- spicific mandatory demands to OEM on their UI, because afte all it's understandable that companies use even the UI and edit the OS itself as competitive edge, Samsung people can't live without their horrid bloated stoneage UI, but Samsung made it for them , like Apple makes it's OS specifically for their target audience, but Google has to put rules in place to allow itself to have at least the capability to push updates itself to all devices (it can be done like android one)

until they can do that (not before andromida i think) they can (like the kernel license) force the OEM's hand to even comply or commit to give 5 year software support .

so, apart from the OP2 mistake, they're trying, it's a relatively new company, and we as people who bought the device because of the dev friendly marketing, should also understand that with that the majority of their customers are still the regular people who just don't care what version of Android it's as long as they have a certain feature (or features)

hmm, i think i skipped a few line, oh yeah, yes Moto and HTC (and others) allow bootloader unlocking but through code generated by the company and with some consequences) , OP and Google devices are the easiest (with just fastboot) and it's allowed .

and yeah not going to repeat the apple thing again, not until they show me Android N running smoothly on an IphoneX (the phone without FP sensor, headphone jack and a face detection teck from 5 years ago :D )

[MENTION=4447339]AcmE85[/MENTION] , and they're dev friendly, what other device (outside of google) has this much activity on its community,

and yes they can do all these things to the camera, but you think if they've done that we'll benefit more, we're not getting 10% of the Pixel Cam experience by using this Mod, i actually prefer what OP is doing, maybe in your eyes it's taking too long, but development takes time, we're now just asking for the camera, but put yourself in their position, now we'll take the time and provide a camera solution, then ...a new outrage will come, if you visit the OP forums you'll see it's now a joke the amount of complaining and demands from silly stuff like accent colors, to crazy outlandish stuff

i think they'll release something, their future setup now includes a dual cam, so they wont be concerned about it, i think as i said before it'll come with or just after O releases

the end CM era is part of the issue, and we also need to understand that, they're trying to be what they're promoting, but it takes time, if they get there or not does not just depend on them, a developer friendly community doesn't just consist of a company that obeys consumers orders, we as users and devs (and all in between categories) are also part of it and if it fails OP might lose but we also lose.