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[OnePlus 5 Themes, Apps, and Mods] jose13683:
A couple of weeks ago the user [MENTION=3578456]txx1219[/MENTION] made a very informative post about the RAW formats available on OP5 camera Hal: RAW_SENSORS, RAW_10 and RAW_12.

When the first beta came out, the only format available for OP5 was RAW_SENSOR, while the Gcam mod worked only with RAW_10. After modding the Gcam to use RAW_SENSOR,we ended up with greenish pictures.

This was 2weeks ago...someone knows the current situation in beta3 hotfix/OOS5.0.1? If we can clear up the mess,we can open another thread on onplus5 support "begging" again for a working Camera2API implementation...
[OnePlus 5 Themes, Apps, and Mods] Kernodle:
Now that the Oxygen 5.0.1 OTA is released, any way to get this working without root/unlocked bootloader? Was a simple sideload last time.
[OnePlus 5 Themes, Apps, and Mods] S4turno:
New updates since my last post:

» MGC_5.1.018.177470874.41362666_LOS-15.1_A7.0-8.1_MI5S_v2a.apk (BSG, 2018-01-09, changelog)

» MGC_5.1.018.177470874.41362666_LOS-15.1_A7.0-8.1_MI5S_v2.apk (BSG, 2018-01-09, changelog)

» scrubber_GCam_5.1.018_25.apk (scrubber, 2018-01-09, changelog)

» scrubber_GCam_5.1.018_24.apk (scrubber, 2018-01-09, changelog)

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[OnePlus 5 Themes, Apps, and Mods] ndarkside93:
Delete
[OnePlus 5 Themes, Apps, and Mods] romano19:
i try but cant config to work with portrait mode :(
[OnePlus 5 Themes, Apps, and Mods] exodius48:
Will them work on Oreo?
[OnePlus 5 Themes, Apps, and Mods] The-|joker|:
do i need to flash any extra files to get HDR+ to work on OOS 5.0.1 with android 8.0.0? because when i try choosing any option in Camera Config HDR+ the camera goes completely black
[OnePlus 5 Themes, Apps, and Mods] Android-Andi:
Yes, you need the old camera Hal.
[OnePlus 5 Themes, Apps, and Mods] The-|joker|:
is it this fix? because i just flashed it and i still get the black screen
[OnePlus 5 Themes, Apps, and Mods] Pshemo__:
Use one of the Arnovas' versions, 1.1 or later. In config only few options work, here are mine:
[OnePlus 5 Themes, Apps, and Mods] blackjackEX:
Gcam5.1.018-Arnova8G2 - v.1.4 can working at android 7.1?
[OnePlus 5 Themes, Apps, and Mods] Android-Andi:
Sorry for OT, but you remember which line needs to be removed?
[OnePlus 5 Themes, Apps, and Mods] Javi22:
Thanks. For me it's crashing that options after taking photo

Nexus 6 working fine but takes lot of time to take the photo

Enviado desde mi ONEPLUS A5000 mediante Tapatalk
[OnePlus 5 Themes, Apps, and Mods] Pshemo__:
Yes, unfortunately on Oreo it hangs/freezes when you try to see the captured photo
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] eduardoamm:
Hello, this is my first publication...

A few days ago I made the update of my terminal, from version 6.0.1 and I can not flash version 7 from flashtool, everything worked fine, after flashing the computer was up to version 7.1.1, after a few days observe Which at the time of downloading and connecting the computer started with constant restarts or bootloops, until you can turn it on, also the computer occasionally has problems with the speaker, plus flash failure does not turn on ...

All this happened after flashing it

I can not enter the flash mode, pressing the volume button -, the phone turns on the green light and turns off and on again and is not detected by the computer, I would greatly appreciate the help!

Please
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] DHGE:
- do a hard power off: VOL+ and Off

- do a factory reset

- plug the USB cable to another port

- reinstall USB drivers

- try another cable

- try another PC
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] eduardoamm:
Thank you for responding to my post.

- from the hard power off: VOL + and Off

I do it several times, and still nothing

- from the factory reset

It is restored by the sony configuration and neither does the equipment works normal except for the LED flash of the camera, and sometimes the problem of the mentioned speakers

In addition to proving in 3 different computers, with two different cables in addition, installing the drivers and everything, I do not know what else to do, when I connect the phone with fastboot is recognized, or through trasnferencia, there is no problem with that, only the flashmode .
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] dachao:
I have the same problem with my XZ but found a workaround. When prompted to turn of your phone and plug it in flash mode reboot the phone instead. When the screen goes black hold the volume down, when the phone turns back on it will go into flash mode. Works for me every time.
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] gspbeetle:
Strange enough I reproduce this "flashing green-led" flashmode issue today, but it was the USB cable problem (type c -> type c).

The cable in question can access mtp mode and fastboot mode normally thou.

It is likely not the same issue like yours, but still very strange.
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] gungsye:
same problem can not enter flashmode but can enter fastbootmode....
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] ttoan1224:
I have the same problem.

I've found that my phone does not enter flash mode at the first Led flash, so plug the cable while hoding volume up (fastboot mode), if the led just flashing blue then I hold volume down to get into flash mode. else if it connected in fastboot mode then i just unplug it and do again.
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slegg:
Thanks for the tip! Works well with my Xperia XZ + Lenovo T460 + Aukey USB cable combo.

Had a headache with phone not entering the flash mode. Flashtool said it's connected in recovery mode, usb debugging off. Perhaps sth to do with trying to update the TWRP to the latest version (3.2.2) via the PlayStore app and turning the recovery non-functional. I wanted to update to the latest FW before reflashing TWRP in fastboot mode.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Lawliet918:
Anybody tried the modded Google camera app for Snapdragon 820 and above?
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] knightxs:
I tried it but the app is not working. Force closes everytime I open
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] karrouma:
Eh, not working.

Didn't open shtting down all time
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Of123:
So annoying! it works on other phones... HDR+ would probably make the XZ one of the best camera's!
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] jpcosmico:
First app I really wanted to work on this phone :crying:
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] josephnero:
Well I even tried converting it to system app but no luck
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] shadowhunter20:
maybe some devs here can mod the app for our XZ. :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Pandemic:
Wny post a question in a themes/apps topic ?

Sometimes i dont understand why people aimt reading the rules and mess up the entire forum -__-

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[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Lawliet918:
read the rules. this forum is not only for themes and apps but also for announcements and DISCUSSIONS of themes and apps. we are discussing the google camera app. i don't see anything wrong in posting it here. don't be so rigid.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Pandemic:
Oh yes where you see here discussions after Themes and Apps ?

It need to be posted in Guides, News and Discussions and not here !

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[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Lawliet918:
here's a screenshot of the forum rules. it clearly says you could post announcements and DISCUSSIONS regarding themes and apps here. so before you even go policing everybody else's post, make sure you understand the rules yourself. i don't frickin' care if you're a senior member. go police somebody else's post because, last time i checked, i'm perfectly abiding by the forum rules myself.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] josephnero:
Calm down guyz. Let's think of ways we can make it work on our phones. No need to get edgy over simple things
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Lawliet918:
was perfectly calm here until this guy goes barging into my thread like he's the owner of XDA.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Rudy:
is there anyone that try this on aosp?

I think we can't use it on stock xz because hdr+ on google camera needs raw support to work.

as I suppose, here is the logcat:

and I already try this on AOSP but no luck, aosp doesn't even have camera2 support.

Anyone have any idea for this?
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] josephnero:
And magisk module to enable support again results in crash
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] dihluan:
Interesting.....c'mon DEVs. make it happen :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Lawliet918:
modified google camera with HDR+ version 1.3. support for more phones but not sure if XZ is already included. https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=673368273298980236
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Rudy:
I don't think it's gonna work, unless our device have raw support.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Lawliet918:
yeah, i think so too. that's just too bad.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] josephnero:
Yeah.still no luck
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] josephnero:
Report: version 1.4 still not working
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Wiggazz:
No RAW format

As some people have said, i don't think it's possible unless Sony come out with an update that enables RAW format. You can see in the crash log that it won't open because it doesn't support RAW:

--------- beginning of crash
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime: FATAL EXCEPTION: main
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime: Process: com.google.android.GoogleCamera, PID: 7878
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime: java.lang.IllegalStateException: No HDR+ compatible raw format supported.
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime:	at ckk.a(PG)
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime:	at ckw.a(PG)
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime:	at kk.a(PG)
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime:	at clc.a(PG)
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime:	at iyd.a(PG)
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime:	at cld.run(PG)
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime:	at gim.run(Unknown Source)
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime:	at avh.run(PG)
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime:	at java.util.concurrent.Executors$RunnableAdapter.call(Executors.java:428)
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime:	at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(FutureTask.java:237)
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime:	at java.util.concurrent.ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor$ScheduledFutureTask.run(ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor.java:272)
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime:	at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1133)
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime:	at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:607)
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime:	at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:761)
09-24 22:46:20.682 7878 7878 E AndroidRuntime:	at asy.run(PG)
09-24 22:46:20.686 1375 1391 D ActivityManager: New dropbox entry: com.google.android.GoogleCamera, data_app_crash, 91eb263c-f6c0-42ee-8d4e-31f51d7273e9
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] ratoune:
Works on latest AOSP Oreo builds
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Wiggazz:
When will sony release the 8.0 update?
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] snake218:
How is camera quality compared to stock nougat?
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] ratoune:
No clue, I'm talking about the Aosp builds you can fin ROM thread. Using bitti09 builds it works
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Wiggazz:
So Sony might not even include RAW support with 8.0?
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] snake218:
Goog question. Anyone knows if XZ1 has RAW support?
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] josephnero:
It doesn't
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] snake218:
Sad, then 99% sure XZ oreo won't.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] zohaib0001:
Or developers just need to port Raw support from AOSP to stock Oreo firmware, when it released..
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] josephnero:
Yep. That's most likely
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] gshumway:
Dear Developers ... please help us to use the Google camera with hdr+ on xperia (x Performance). the Quality is so much better :) thank you

we need RAW-SUPPORT ... please

thank you

gordon
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Wiggazz:
Agreed.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] CLShortFuse:
It works on Oreo AOSP with v2 binaries.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] gshumway:
there is no OREO für xperia x Performance :(
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Wiggazz:
Can you explain AOSP to me? I'm new round here
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] snake218:
basically pure android, no sony features.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Wiggazz:
So is that just a ROM that I can flash?
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] snake218:
Yes, in rom section are a couple of Oreo AOSP roms to try.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Of123:
So this app works on our phone, but I noticed there's no HDR+ and the photos are quite worse than our stock app. https://www.xda-developers.com/download-google-camera-motion-photo/
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] hugoprh:
Anyone that as tried on Oreo AOSP Roms, how is the image quality compared to Stock Sony Nougat? Knowing this will be very helpful =)
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] snake218:
I did, but tested only in low light indoor photos. Not worth it imo.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Vu Mai:
Since my phone lost its DRM. I gotta go the lengthy option to compare the 2 picture. One from AOSP oreo with Google Camera and one from stock camera in Nougat with DRM fix. Gotta say google camera really works wonder, but it's only a tad better than stock one. Until we got full drm fix on oreo, I'll say stick with stock cam, much less of a hassle.

edit: retracted everything I said, Camera works with Rudy's AOSP Oreo build, and the quality is much better than stock one.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] snake218:
Got any comparison pictures?
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Vu Mai:
I'll try to do one soon. Flashing rom back and forth is a bit taxing :o
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] snake218:
Thank you. For trying roms i think the best is make a backup with twrp from current rom, then you use the restore option if you wish to return to your favorite configuration.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] cyanides13:
Any update on the sample pictures?
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] quera:
Is it yet possible to have Raw support in XZ's Oreo?

I'm trying to get google camera to work, but always get this in logcat:

FATAL EXCEPTION: main
AndroidRuntime: Process: com.google.android.GCMods5, PID: 23104
AndroidRuntime: java.lang.IllegalStateException: [COLOR="Red"]No HDR+ compatible raw format supported.[/COLOR]
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] chrispearson:
Raw is active in Oreo aosp and HDR+ works
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] quera:
Great, I've checked and in AOSP raw is supported.

Let's ask developers to port RAW support from AOSP to our stock. I have some little knowledge, maybe I could dig into the code and bring it to us. Does anyone know exactly where to start?
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] :
Maybe we should ask Sony to add RAW photography to their stock firmware. We could even start a petition. Sony is a camera company after all, and because they stress the cameras in their phones so much, it is ridiculous not to include any form of RAW photography.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] quera:
That would be great, however I bet it's easier for developers to port than to beg sony, unfortunately. My next phone will be a Pixel.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] :
Yeah but Sony once said that if the demand was high enough, they would eventually add support for RAW photography
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] remmyhi:
The demand is there, high enough on the Sony support forum since xperia z.

Z1, z2, z3, x, xz - still there.

They will not implement it at all. Point.

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[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] :
Buy devices before the Xperia Z1 did have RAW support, right?
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] remmyhi:
Not as far as I remember. Neither of z-series had

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[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Sahaab:
Okay, so i modded the BSG pixel camera mod, to remove the close if no RAW support, the camera works now on my xperia Z5P, takes pictures, records videos, portrait mode does not work, HDR+ on and off i do not see a difference in thr pictures, so im guessing hdr+ not working either, overall pictures seem to be same or slightly worse in some environments and better in some, not a big difference

I can post apk if anybody wants, let me know
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] MotexT:
Yeah, good job, I wanna try it! Send me your APK, please
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Sherbhai:
Please send me the apk or if possible post the download link in the forum so other xperia owners can also make use of it.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Sahaab:
well heres the apk, sorry for being so late, i have been busy

not sure if this is the right apk to be

Google Drive
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Sherbhai:
Not working on the Xperia XZ Stock 8.0.. App force closes as soon as it opens.. Can you please recheck is the apk tge right one..
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Sahaab:
Try starting again, it seems to crash the first time and works second for me
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Sherbhai:
Not working tried several times..Even tried after clearing cache and data, redownloaded the apk.. STILL APP FORECLOSES on Xperia Xz Stock 8.0
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Sahaab:
Hmm well sorry dont really got an XZ to test with so ya
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] candemir2005:
All camera mods with newest version: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] KoningPaulus:
Anyone tried this on the x performance? No threads about it so far.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] :
Sony Xperia Developer World just opened a new GitHub repository called 'CameraTest'. In its description, they claim it is a test app for testing the Camera 2 API. Also, in files throughout the repository, the word RAW was mentioned multiple times. Therefore, this MIGHT mean that Sony is **finally** going to include full Camera 2 API support, with support for RAW image capturing. This would be a great addition and it opens up a whole new world for smartphone photography, and of course, it allows you to use the Google Camera with hdr+. Now let's just hope they don't ditch this project.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Alaa | Google Android:
Very grateful news ?

Can you please put the reference?
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] :
Sure. I already tried quoting the repository's description, but for some reason it wouldn't work. Here is the link: https://github.com/sonyxperiadev/CameraTest
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Alaa | Google Android:
Thank you ??
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Fl1nt91:
So... Is there a version working?
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] :
Not yet :(
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] busawahk:
Where did you find mention of RAW?

I opened the READ ME.MD file and no mention of raw. I also use the search feature to look for the keyword "raw" or "RAW" and nada
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] :
Hmm it's weird you didn't find anything. I must admit that I haven't looked for a week or so, and several things have changed. I'll try again in a second but we'll just have to wait and see otherwise.

Edit:

I hadn't really looked any further as to where RAW was mentioned last week, so this message might be a little less impressive. Nevertheless, in this file on several lines, including line 632, they do in fact mention RAW. Those lines indicate that when RAW is not supported, the app won't reprocess the image. In other words, the app expects the phone to have RAW support (which makes sense because it is an app for testing the camera 2 API), and if the phone doesn't, the app loses certain functions. It may not seem like anything major, but it would be pretty sad for them to release a camera 2 API test application without having full camera 2 API support, anyway.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] busawahk:
About RAW. Is RAW a hardware or software function? In the case of the XZP, was RAW disabled on the software part or does the XZP not have compatible hardware.

As far as my understanding of RAW is, is mainly Photoshop. RAW files contain the all the data at the time of image and therefore editing the photo is the same as real time changing the camera settings. If raw is just an image format that stores all the data, why can't that be implemented by software? I've read there are hardware expectations but it doesn't make sense to me unless there is only specific hardware which follows specific protocol.

What I'm asking is, if the XZP could do RAW, wouldn't it have done it from launch? Surely SONY want make sure their phones have all the bells and whistles.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] :
Alright first of all, this topic is for the regular XZ, not the XZP, but that doesn't really matter. Second of all, RAW is a function that needs to be supported by both the hardware and the software of a device, in order for Android to be able to make use of it. Indeed, it does seem kind of strange for Sony not to include software support even though the hardware supports it, but that's just the way it is. You know that the hardware supports it, because you can capture RAW once you've installed a stock Android ROM. It seems as if Sony is going to add RAW support soon, but we'll have to wait and see. I hope I cleared things up a bit. If you still have any questions, feel free to ask me.
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] busawahk:
Damn, I thought this was an XZP thread lol, my bad!

So the XZ on AOSP supports RAW capture... Interesting. Did it support from nougat builds?
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] :
I don't know as I've not installed and custom ROMs on this phone yet, but I do know that the same should be true for the XZP anyway
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] policepooh:
any one who focusing on camera go for omnirom 8.1 which supports all the features from googlecam by

scrubber_GCam_5.1.018_25 (scrubber, 2018-01-09, no config needed, changelog). Everything works including front portrait

regarding the rom please google omnirom for kagura even the rom seems to be stable too despite of finger print reader and etc
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] aer0zer0:
do you guys have magisk? and oreo? If so, try this. I can attempt to add camera2 api support forcibly with build prop mod, if necessary

https://xdaforums.com/essential-phone/themes/magisk-based-gcam-port-ar-sticker-t3730837

I realize its for essential, but try it, there are a bunch of different gcams built up into magisk modules
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] policepooh:
Camera2 api does not support stock rom
[Sony Xperia XZ Themes, Apps, and Mods] :
Are these any (rooted?) users that are able to install version 2.0 of the Sony camera app?

https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/sony-...mera-2-0-0-149-android-apk-download/download/

I'm curious if it changes camera performance and/or quality, because "version 2.0" does sound like a major change, right?