yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] martin02:
Sounds great! Haven't had time to try this myself yet... any input on whether it affects the quality on actual images taken? No reason why it should but one never knows :-)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] aksd:
We'll not exactly. Nightmode is a software related thing where the fps is forced to slow down to allow more light onto the CMOS sensor(not CCD in this case ;)). Here the software is being fooled no the hardware, if you point the cam to a bright scene yo'd see it begins working as normal, this is because night mode disables. This is for sure a software problem and not dependant on the raphic drivers. SE phones and others offer a Nightmode which is manually activated, but HTC for some reason has made it auto activated.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] thefunkygibbon:
if it is software, then surely it is just a matter of replacing the software with another version of the HTC camera application for it to work ok. Which i would assume had already been done. I'm sure the versions that were cooked into most Hermes roms were versions that didnt come from any Hermes originally.(as they were newer)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] _DrG_:
when i wake up the phone it returns back to the today screen, minimising the camera app......
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Cubibubi:
damn thanks a lot mate, really good, but also really just a temporary fix: if you fix it that way, but then move your camera to a bright area, it rearranges itself, (= it's still ok then), but if you put it into dark area it gets laggy again.

but still a cool thing, very useful.

by the way:

i found out that taking a video with the SECONDARY camera is somehow tricker and you have to aim accurately, but it never gets a lag! try that out people
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Cubibubi:
both, pictures as well as videos
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jym04:
Nice find!

It's not that practical but its okay. Maybe now I can film some better movies..!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fusi:
haha! this totally works! but if you then point the camera back at something bright, it kicks the nightmode crap back into play and the fps plumets - this is so down to sh!t software :(

nice find!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nsa666:
Thx! That works. They should do an option for nightmode in settings!:mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DavidMc0:
Good find, works well, but shows up how daft the HTC devs have been with this one! Why would they not have figured this out and sorted the problem before releasing the kaiser? I really don't understand it, they'll just give people reasons to look elsewhere for their next phone!

Good find though ;-)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pjam:
Just another "excellent find" post.

Well done, much, much better.

pjam
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Audio:
simply awesome. Thank you so much for this, although not a fix, it's one step closer...

Thanks a bunch mate.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] smads:
CMOS - Stand corrected ;)

Not too sure about the shortfall of this camera being software related though. This fix certainly tricks the software but ultimately, it's the camera hardware that lacks sensitivity in dark areas, requiring a long exposure (slow shutter speeds) which leads to poor frame rates. Again not a graphics problem as the graphics card is just waiting for the camera hardware to deliver..which of course it does in normal outdoor lighting conditions (requiring faster shutter speeds)

True Nightmode cameras have extremely sensitive cmos/CCD arrangments allowing faster shutter speeds. SE phones are great and in likelyhood have a cmos that is considerably more sensitive than our beloved Tytn 2

Rgds

Stuart
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Foxhunter123:
Why can't someone of you pro cooks just find that place in the software that auto activates nightmode and disable this function...? Would be so very nice :cool:

I would if I could but I can't... ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] undac:
am I really the only one who noticed a pretty massive "delay" with this trick?

ie it's rendered at a high framerate but it's also delayed quite a bit so if I point at one object and then quickly point at another I will still see the first object in the seeker for a second before the seeker gets up to date so to speak
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Carlis:
U have the security code activated , right?

WM5-> have that feature (bug).

Unactivate the code and its not doing it.

Carlis
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Rumball:
Hey guys...not sure if you know this already but you can get the software to display in real time the FPS by setting

HKLM\Software\HTC\Camera\Common\EnableFrameRateInfo = 1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Eraser85:
many thanks, now I can finally do some indoor vids!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
We gotta figure out how to disable that altogether.

This method didn't work for me at all. Tried it for 20 minutes, no change whatsoever. Using Dutty's v3 ROM + latest Nadavi camera.

[edit] AHA! Got it to work. Reason was the S2U2 - if you have any kind of locking app that launches/does something when you turn on the screen - it won't work. When you turn on the screen it has to go DIRECTLY to the camera app. It does increase FPS significantly. This definitely makes me very hopeful, I bet this can be used to fix the "camera low-light sensor malfunction" (look, I gave it a name!) [/edit]
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Allude2Prelude97@gmail.co:
This didn't do anything for me either...i have a Tilt running the Kaiser ROM and Nadavi's camera 5.0.4.2915

[edit] nevermind, i got it to work, very cool! [/edit]

[edit again] ive only got it to work once though haha oh well [/edit again]
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dizzy33:
Thanks a lot, that works great on my TYTN II !
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] laakness:
This is amazing, really. The hand over the lense works every time!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] siemi1:
Is rter anyn possibilty to tur this "night mode" of.

the trick with turning of kaiser and covering the lens works ok , till you poin on some very light place monitor or lamp:/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] yeantbron:
thank you very much !!!!!!:D:D :cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] y2flyy:
How are some of you guys' camera's switching back to the slow mode?

even when I take pics or videos in normal or light shots. it doesnt slow down at all. it stays this quick fps that this fix does.

so what it happening that you guys do this trick then it goes back to the slower camera fps????
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] starmena:
Im guessing they're probably turning it back on too soon.. It's happend to me already but not as much
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fisha21:
Well, this does work very well. As reported by others above, the FPS stays high even when I focus on or take pictures of bright objects. Only resets if you close and reopen the camera.

Have to admit though, not sure of the benefit of this. Sure the screen refresh is faster and smoother. The photos, however, are darker and grainier. The default FPS doesn't give brilliant pictures, but they are better than those obtained by the "fix" in low light levels. Surely the final picture quality, rather than screen refresh, is the ultimate aim?

Still, kudos to whoever figured this out - nice to see experimentation/ investigation hasn't completely ground to a halt in view of the graphics drivers issue!

:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nsa666:
it is better for videos than for fotos.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Just tried it... for me, quality after fix is actually better - without the fix there's a foggy trailing effect after objects, and it looks like crap. With the fix it's a tiny bit darker, but a lot sharper.

U know what we need? We need a cab file that turns this crappy low-light compensation off! Kinda like IE scrolling fix cab =))
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] siemi1:
i don't know if i'm doing something wrong but stil im doing it like that:

turning camera with camera button. next turning of tytn with power button then i'm covering the lens with my fimger co display is black after that i have 19,2FPS and it's ok but after pointing on LCD monitor or lamp i gos back to "normal" mode:/ and i have 5 fps:/. when i go back pointing on lcd its 20fps:/ on lcd only other it's 5:/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ray6:
Turn off the security password if you have one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] y2flyy:
try this trick instead of low light try it in a well-lit area. because like i said i did this trick in both low light and well lit and I am getting great results. without it switching back. so try that guys!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ewingr:
I would certainly agree...but you never get teh picture you intend to with such a slow refresh. By the time it snaps the picture, if you are taking pics of people, they have change positions and your intended shot is gone.

Of course, that's a problem to some extent with a 'real' digital camera. With this one, you never get what you intend...unless it is posed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
I have to say - video with 1-2 FPS and horrible, blurry objects is not a video at all.

It's a bad, blurry slideshow.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Laurentius26:
It works awsom :):):)

Now the camera has some use!

Thank you ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] briggs81:
This is great! Seems if there is a stronger source of light after you do this, it "wrecks" it again, but if you expose the camera slowly to a brighter source, it doesnt get wrecked as often so you should be able to take a brighter shot, even inside.

Weird how this fixes it!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bronx:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=355587&highlight=camera&page=18

post #174

I just wonder why nobody was paying any atention to his words?

anyway - best regards for grisu-sl for finding this and for blu3 for making it popular... :cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ray6:
Sent this to HTC, maybe they can offer a fix of some kind.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CorruptedSanity:
Lets get the terminology right.

Its shutter speed not fps.

The camera's shutter speed is faster, FPS is how many times the shutter opens/closes in a second. Hence, Frames per Second.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mr4000:
Haha.. great success !

This means that a softwarefix can be made to resolve the FPS issue..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mikulec:
do you guys know how can I solve this: when I push the off button, it automatically minimize tha camera app.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] princeasi:
are you using a stock or cooked rom???
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mikulec:
HTC stock,
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kinktao:
Nevermind, does.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] princeasi:
do you have any 3rd party apps on it that you've installed yourself??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mikulec:
of course,

I think it has something to do with the alt-tab function, but I dont know in which program this function was(maybe spb pocket plus).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] princeasi:
yeah I Think you should start with uninstalling your 3rd party apps, and then try the camera trick again!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mikulec:
maybe later, I dont use the cam too often, so Ill try it later,

anyway, thanx.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] schaggo:
I tried this on my Orbit 2: the indoor picture just gets unrecognizeably dark. It's basically just black. So its an unusuable trick for me...!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
I'm not sure how useful this fix will be since the pictures become so dark. I even tried using Paint Shop Pro 7 and Adobe Photo Shop 3 to try and brighten the picture, but they just made it look even worse.

Without Fix:

With Fix:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] supergodie:
:( :( :( :( ...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cproaudio:
First of all, that post has like 28 pages. That little info is buried somewhere in the middle so no one's gonna read it. 2nd, after reading his post, you dont need to cover the camera. All you need is run the camera program, push the power button so the phone will go into standby. wait 3 seconds and turn it back on. I've tried it many times and it works. For those that didnt work, you turned it back on too fast. wait 3 or more seconds.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bluemamba:
the temp fix doesnt last long at all. there must be a reg fix for this.

isnt there a way to keep the fps high at all times?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] briggs81:
I've noticed the front camera on the kaiser doesn't suffer from these laggy problems like the back camera does, at least for me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] redsrule2500:
This proves that all Kaiser problems are SOFTWARE SOFTWARE SOFTWARE......!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] whydanwhy:
I'm not too sure about how useful this fix in taking photos, the quality of the picture seems to fall dramatically. However, for video this seems useful. Here's an example of the quality difference:

Without Fix:..............................................................With Fix:

In a higher resolution photo, you can clearly see vertical marks occurring throughout the fixed picture, such as one would find in a low resolution webcam.

Also, puppy obviously disapproves of camera fix.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] svcglobal:
Someone is aware if this HTC Camera .dll update below also fix shutter speed problem?

Hot fix for TyTN II photo quality issue

If you zoom in on a captured photo and notice grainy, maze-like patterns within the image itself (this problem is caused by too much sharpness enhancement being applied in bright-light environments), please download and install this hot fix to solve the problem. Sharpness parameters within the photo will then be reduced with only a minimal loss of image sharpness.

More here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=375100
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] XtreMe_G:
nope, not the fix we are looking for......
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] laakness:
Is that a corgie? Good looking dog.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bull3001:
thanks alot, this has helped me out greatly
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MACkjam:
Another discovery...

There is a setting on my TyTN II within the camera app for lighting. The default is Auto, which causes the lag in low light. I have changed this to Daylight mode under the camera settings and there is a vast improvement.

Where does one see the actual FPS info?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] XtreMe_G:
HKLM\Software\HTC\Camera\Common\EnableFrameRateInfo

change it to 1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zamdar:
What does that do mate?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] AllTheWay:
Shows the frame rate on the screen. I usually get about 9 FPS.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] xxrippaxx:
Dude..... Thats ..... I Mean....... Thank You. This is awesome.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Speed_demon666:
Wow!! What a massive difference this makes and it only takes a second to do too!

One Noobie question..how do you get to the place where you change the values to see teh FPS??

If theres a thread about it (not sure if the Wiki has anything on it) just point me to it and I'll go off and read it.

Ta
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] XtreMe_G:
please tell me that you did see the two posts at the top of this page and you are just asking how to do what's described in that posts
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mikulec:
LOL...thats a proper search.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Speed_demon666:
err...yeah! Dont know where to find HKLM..tried looking in windows file and also search but doesnt seem to offer system files.:o

Like I say I'm a noobie to Palmtops:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mikulec:
Its in the registry, try to use total commander or some registry editor.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] godfa7h3r:
Wow....

I don't understand... what really throws me for a loop is that if you do that fix, and then show the camera to a bright light, then go back to the low light, it slows down again. It's like once it goes into low FPS mode, it doesn't recover until you do that fix.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bushu16:
GREAT FIND DUDE... wondering why it happens like that???
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] luvmygadgets:
Works great! Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jdmxjoe:
lol...damn I just sat here and figured this without reading this thread and thought I had a temporary fix. Im 11 days late lol. Oh well, works great.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] codecthelios:
WOW works real well. Nice find
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JahBless:
Not working here, are there any other fixes to it? Prior to flashing it and unlocking it, the camera far exceeded my expectations, it was completely smooth and video recording was great and was pretty happy since I just got the phone today.

Now, post unlocking.. the camera is garbage and not fluid at all, very choppy.. not sure what the problem is.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] warped_foobie:
Search for Nadavi's camera fix. Works a treat, almost better than my canon :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] deuzeff:
Just found out this thread, this is stunning, worked like a charm :eek: .

However, this would work only if S2U2 is disable, meaning that when you power on after putting four finger / palm on the lense, the camera prog shall come first, not something else like S2U2.

Amazing trick showing how ****ty is the software behind :p.

EDIT: for those who do not suceed (like me, I could not make it again right now :p), I found very important that when you cover the lens and then switch off the screen using the power off button,

let the finger/palm for at least 3/4 seconds

even if the screen is off.

Then switch on again w/o the finger/palm, the screen will be black within the camera app for 1 or 2 seconds, and the trick works great :).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] KyleK29:
Wow, this worked. Thanks for the tip.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JamminJaguar:
It's an awesome tip. Does anyone know a permanent fix so that I don't have to do this every time I want to use my camera?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] snooginsguy:
ah, delicious spam...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TurboX2:
maybe someone could make a script?

im getting quite pissed off at the phone recently
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bennell2008:
that is amazin my camera was soooo slow and its one thing that i hated about my divice buy now the video shoots as good as my n95 and even close to lg viewty cheers pal
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] KAF-KEF:
türkçe açıklama yapacak birileri varmı pek bişe anlamadım.:(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] deuzeff:
Hi KAF-KEF :),

this board is an english speaking community. To ensure to stick to the forum policy and get proper help, you may want to post an english translation of your post ;).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denny_1986:
i dont c any difference

i have slide to unlock installed and when i push the power button again...the s2u screen comes up...i unlock it and then it goes to the camera setup.....lets c what happens if i take s2u out

___

edit: ha yes it worked! great find dude!...the only drawback is if u focus the camera at a bright object like my laptop screen, the lagging comes back....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fl@tline76:
Hi guys!

new member here...

I'm a really happy owner of a new Tytn II, but not so happy about this video/picture issue... I was wandering through the registry in order to change the FPS value when i find the following keys:

HKLM->Software->HTC->Camera->Recparam

then, for every combination of resolution/video type (for instance £GPLarge, AVIMedium and so on...) i found that there's a key called FrameRate, and it's set to 15 (decimal).

Does anyone know if it can change/improve the performances of the video recording? Furthermore, there are a lot of other keys, influencing different aspects of the recording.

Come on guys, tell me that we can do something with these!

P.s. (sorry for bad english!)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wildcard13:
congrats! this is a great trick. maybe there are more in the same box? :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] chetech:
kamerayı açıyosun.power butonuyla ekranı kapat,parmağınlada kameranın

lensini bi süre kapalı tut.tekrar power butonuyla ekranı aç.baya iyi sonuç veriyo.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pinaklonkar:
works like a charm! thanks to the inventor :)

any other camera tweaks?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] renzhe:
OMG!!! i was kinda disappointed, UNTIL NOW!! THNX!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pinaklonkar:
Is there a tweak to improve the snapshot setting? The above trick is very good to improve the video capture framerates.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] giozera:
worst video recording device

I like my tilt but the video recording on low light is the worst I ever seen.this fix might work some times but recording still sucks big time. like yesterday on metallica concert I took video clips with my tilt and my friend with his N95 8GB version. when we got home we hooked up my tilt with 52" pioneer plasma with harman kardon audio system oh god it was disgusting I couldn't see and hear anything even I did shoot that video with this trick:mad:. and when we plugged N95 wooow! video almost as good as digital video camera and audio was amazing! with 7.1 harman kardon audio it felt like I still was at concert. I will never buy another HTC device unless miracle happens and they make device with everything working 100%. my next phone will be Nvidia Tegra amazing device!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] audiobastard:
right on w/ the tegra

supposedly should be around 199 for tegra based phone probably w/2yr contract. I'm all on that. The video on the tilt is so sorry I almost went and bought a nokia 5800 (until i found out it was a UK version lol).

For me, the fps trick works even if I transition between bright and low light sources. When I first tried this trick a year ago, I would get the problem as posted above where the fps would start to lag after transitioning to bright light source. This time however, if I put it to sleep for 4 seconds (e.g. one one thousand, 2 one thousand, etc) the fps stay high regardless of what the light condition is.

So, for those having issues with the lag returning, keep it off a bit longer.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sofir786:
There is a huge difference in quality of lens and camera when comparing n95 camera and a kaiser(tilt) camera, number 1 the n95 uses a premium lens that sony digital camera use called Carl Zeiss compared to the standard CMOS lens on the kaiser, of course the n95 will out perform the tily cos its 5megapixel and tilt is only 3, plus they record on different resolutions aswell
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] deyo-tytn:
Camera fix

Hi, I have TYTN II . I installed a TCP V11 MEGA WWE ROM, everything works great, but, of course there is a problem with Camera, there is HTC Camera 5.04 build 31875 and with that version temporary fix is not working, on the same device with earlier ROM I tried and it worked...

Any suggestions?

Dejan
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] idinaxui:
Great!

this method worked for me kaiser 6.1 shifu rom. no need to ****ch off the device, to and from standby mode is quite enough! thanks again!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sk8crazy93:
Great tip but stopped working

That trick worked sooo great! Thanks heaps but it has stopped working now :( I'm doing the same as i used to... Open the camera, cover the lens and standby, leave for a couple seconds then press standby again then its just still slow :confused: I'm sure ill work it out.. eventually
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vuxi:
HTC TyTN II camera fix

HTC TyTN II_TyTNII_Photo Quality