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[Thinkpad Tablet General] tmihai20:
[MENTION=653931]enigmo[/MENTION]: well, Nexuses are a different breed, I had a Nexus 5. The device itself must have official bootloader unlock and also good developers. Developers maintain custom roms for devices they own. As soon as they switch to another device they stop supporting that older device. I would be perfectly happy with LineageOS, as my older G Pad 8.3 had. I was a little reluctant to buy my Mediapad M3 because of the lack of community support, but I did it anyway. BTW, Mediapad M3 has a somewhat unlockable bootloader (somewhat because you need to create an account on a Chinese forum and that is not that easy).

Anyway, coming back to the Lenovo Tab 4 8 Plus, I will pass the information you provided to my sister. This is community power right here :)
[Thinkpad Tablet General] enigmo:
Just sad that there is clearly a reasonable market for mid-sized tablets, but so many manufacturers mess up either by removing functionality, crippling performance, or charging stupid money. A 10" slab requires basically a laptop bag. 8" tablets can squeeze into cargo pockets, or utility pockets on bags. That's a major bump in usefulness. But I digress.

In another measure of community power, rather than sending this back I've decided to give it one last go. I've seen on a few forums that people have had more success with Transcend brand cards, so I've ordered a 64GB one to try. If that works, I'll be keeping the tablet. If it doesn't, I'll be sending it back. Either way, I'll post here what I find.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] Sindee75:
I am buying this tablet today used. I want to remove the bloatware. How did you remove it??? Thanks!
[Thinkpad Tablet General] enigmo:
Please note all the messages here and on the official Lenovo site forum about the SD card issues. You part with your money at your own peril.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] Sindee75:
Thanks for the heads up, I am aware of the SD card issues on some or many of them. I plan on testing my sd card before buying it.... 47 bucks seems like a steal providing all works! And, [MENTION=6421550]zelect0r[/MENTION] how did you remove the bloatware?
[Thinkpad Tablet General] Krizzii:
You can disable most of the Lenovo apps, but there are not that many. There were a bunch of Microsoft apps included, you can deinstall those easily. I bought the tablet in Europe, maybe there are different apps installed per region.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] wavelet:
++

Actually, this tablet was better in that regard than many others I've seen, incl. unlocked devices.

(it's probably a good idea to backup the apps before you uninstall, in case you decide you want them in the future)

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Thanks!

I gave Light Manager a shot, but it didn't work for me (maybe because the tablet isn't rooted, and I don't want to root it just for this); also, if there's no multi-color notifications, it's not really very useful for me. I use the colors extensively to differentiate notification sources on my phone.

I wrote the developer of Light Flow, and he replied that Lenovo devices usually don't follow the Android LED guidelines for developers, although he's willing to take another look if I send him debugging info. I'm probably not going to bother.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] Ja_som:
Yeah, it will be much better if we can use all colors.

But, if you have find some time, I will be really grateful if you send him that info. Because he didn't respond on my email, and I like Light Flow, not only for the led, but also for the sound options, also, some apps have LED notification which I want to disable, and I can do it via Light Flow.

I use GravityBox (Xposed module) now, but it does not have all the options which Light Flow has (e.g. do not notify when screen is on), and I'm sure other users will be also grateful :)
[Thinkpad Tablet General] wavelet:
Actually, turns out the market for mid-priced tablets is very small outside of the iPad, and AFAIK the vendors make very little money off it. Between phones & phablets on one side and lower-end laptops on the other, there's no much market. Those people interested primarily in reading on a tablet typically buy a Kindle or other e-reader.

(Actually, I originally bought an 8" tablet only because I wanted a larger device ot read on than the 6" Kindle, and after two years of waiting, there was still no reasonable choice. I've never regretted that choice -- an Android tablet can do so much more, and it's very useful looking up a term on Wikipedia while you're reading etc.)

Some of this can be seen by the minimal amount of marketing the vendors do (no magazine / TV ads, unlike for phones), the minimal specs published (I had the devil of a time finding out which devices have 5GHz WiFi, and for some even a weeks of research didn't turn up an answer), the generic, ridiculous 8-page leaflets that serve as "user manuals" and the lack of after-sale support: A single OS upgrade is about as much as you can expect, vs. 2-3 for phones.

My important criteria (price aside) were FHD screen, 5GHz WiFi and decently future-proof amounts of RAM (3GB min) and builtin storage (32GB min), esp. since this will be shared between 2 kids. I also left out tablets over 3 years old, both for future-proofing reasons as well being worried about HW support. For example, I'd seen several local complaints that local Lenovo lab was not able to do any repair for Tab2 devices -- no parts are available.

I very quickly found that aside from the very expensive Samsung Tab S2/S3, there were very few choices. Xiaomi's Mi Pad 3 is discontinued after only 3-4 months on the market.

That left only the Lenovo Tab 3 / Tab 4 -- as long as you don't buy the crippled US versions, that only come with 2GB RAM / 16GB storage) -- and Huawei Mediapad M3/M3 lite (again, as long as you didn't source them from the US, where no Huawei tablet has 5GHz support).

Since this time it a tablet for my kids that stays at home most of the time, I decided to consider 10" models: as well, which brings up quite a few more options.

The weight (Tab 4 10 plus vs. Tab 4 8 plus) is only 175g more, and they both fit in my man bag -- the 10" is only 3cm longer. Price difference here is only $35, and it's similar for other brands; soI eventually bought the 10".

As far as support goes, I'm fairly certain none of the other brands I found (Asus, Acer) would have better support than Lenovo (both vendor- and community). Samsung would, but the price is an issue.

Other Tier-1 vendors (LG, HTC, Dell, Sony, Toshiba, Fujitsu) don't do Android tablets. HP used to, but stopped, and Panasonic only does an expensive enterprise device.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] zelect0r:
Check the Main Thread.

https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3664407
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
I am looking at buying this as a replacement to my aging Nexus 7 2013, https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-TAB...208324&hash=item3d473ae1a5:g:LCEAAOSw2hNZrmNj

It's ships from Israel. I would want TWRP and Root.

Any concerns besides the SD-Card issue and lack of Factory images.

thanks,
[Thinkpad Tablet General] wavelet:
I'm Israeli, and have the 10" Israeli version bought locally.

Before you commit, make sure which regional version of the tablet it is.

If this is the Israeli model of the tablet, just be aware that it won't carry a warranty outside Israel (this is generally true for all mobile devices unless they expressly carry an international warranty).

The Lenovo model number is ZA2E0023IL (The "IL" suffix stands for Israel in all Lenovo products).

This is the local chain where I bought mine (click on the US flag at the top to get the English product page), to see the detailed specs; AFAIK, there's no difference between this version and the other Asian versions in HW or SW (some non-cellular Euro versions are 3GB RAM/16-32GB storage, and the US versions 2GB/16GB), and the Android version will be stock 7.1.1 .

https://ksp.co.il/?uin=41306

The tablet will probably start up the first time with Hebrew as the default UI language, but you can immediately change that.

That price of the eBay's seller's you linked is slightly above what the cheaper local physical or online retailers in Israel would charge (by about US$35), but AFAIK none of them send products abroad.

If you find one that does and that is able to deduct our local 17% VAT (legally, products sent abroad are exempt, but the retailer has to be set up for it), the price would be ~$285 (not incl. shipping).

You can also get the German version with the same specs, za2e0063de, a bit cheaper, from the following online shop; they automatically deduct the German VAT from shipments to outside the EU (at the top right you can change the language to English and the destination country to USA, and then they already automatically show the VAT-less prices).

https://www.computeruniverse.net/pr...plus-tb-8704f-za2e0063de-wifi.asp#add-to-cart

So total cost should be 289 Euros incl. delivery to the US, or ~$360 (assuming there's no Customs duty in the US, which AFAIR there isn't).

I've used this German store before for computer parts and they're reliable, but otherwise have no connection to them.

Oh, and if you get the German or Israeli version, the charger brick is international 110V-220V , but comes with a Euro plug, so you'll need a simple plug adapter to connect it to US wall sockets (or just use a US USB-socket charger).
[Thinkpad Tablet General] enigmo:
My only concern other than the SD, factory images, and rooted 3rd party images, would be the price. I know it's a different model but my non-4g one of those cost about £140 via Argos eBay (large UK retailer with an eBay shop for refurbs)
[Thinkpad Tablet General] wavelet:
Could you provide the link? I can't find any 8" Tab 4 plus model on the Argos eBay store, only the non-plus version or Yoga tablet. They do have the 10" version for £200, but only 3GB RAM / 16GB flash, which IMO isn't worth getting .
[Thinkpad Tablet General] kc12:
8704X update 000038

The latest update has resolved my 5ghz wifi connection issue.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] HiddenSanctum:
Does anyone know if there is a place to see the changelog for the March security update? Also if the March update fixes the touchscreen bug?
[Thinkpad Tablet General] tmihai20:
A very good question. I did not find anything in a quick search with Google.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] phynix5800:
There are reports on the Lenovo forum it doesn't fix the touchscreen ghost touch issue. I have experienced the problem myself a short time after updating.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] HiddenSanctum:
Ah that's a bummer, hopefully the next update then
[Thinkpad Tablet General] wildcat777:
I can confirm also that the touchscreen problem is still present after the latest update.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] kc12:
Bloatware removed.

I decided to remove the bloatware on my tab4 8 plus lte, instead of just freezing them. It greatly improved the performance. FYI purposes I enclosed my antutu score.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] HiddenSanctum:
How were you able to remove them completely?
[Thinkpad Tablet General] kc12:
Root and titanium. You have to boot to twrp after deleting them and wipe cache and dalvik cache or you bootloop the next time you reboot.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] kc12:
It wasn't easy, but I managed to get quite a bit of bloatware off my tablet. Stock on the left.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] dywersant:
Since the last update i noticed that i was able to remove some of Lenovos bloat directly from the launcher. That Alexa thing went straight to trash, ive also removed their keyboard without any hassle. Before i had to use root/titanium.

On the side note the ghost touches glich is gone. But, and that might be important, i have done full device wipe before patching.

To sum it up - the last update seems good, no problems so far, old gliches seem to be fixed .
[Thinkpad Tablet General] wildcat777:
Although not as frequent,the ghost touch glitches are still present on my WiFi only tab...gutted.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
I just ordered my Tab 4 8 PLus with 4/64 and Wifi-only from Ali Express. Part number was listed at TB-8704F.

Can anyone recommend a simple Smart cover/case that turns the tablet on/off when opened/closed?

I am looking forward to having TWRP, ROOT and Xposed on it.

How do we get a dedicated thread for this line of tablets and move out from under the Thinkpad Table General group?

EDIT: I ended up buying this for $10, https://www.ebay.com/itm/Slim-Leath...var=651041638548&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
I have Magisk 16.4 installed and running fine with GravityBox (N). When I try to install magisk-remount.zip or the updated version via TWRP it fails.

The original and updated mount.sys Error message say the same thing says "/data/magisk isn't set up properly Please install Magisk v14.0+"

Any suggestion on how to get my System partition to be RW?

EDIT: I downgraded Magisk to V16.0 and could now install remount.zip
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
I opened build.prop in /System and could not find either of these entries. Is there another build.prop file to look at?
[Thinkpad Tablet General] kc12:
I couldn't find them either. I believe they were eliminated during one of the updates, as the file sdcard/ logs doesn't exist either. But not sure..
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
uSD card recommendations?

I am looking for a 128 GB micro-SD for the Tab 4 Plus. I have a 32 GB card currently installed which seems to be working okay.

Has the Corruption problem been fixed or am I just lucky to have not seen it yet.

Anyone know of a good vendor and reputable supplier that doesnt sell fakes for a 128 GB micro-SD card?

thanks
[Thinkpad Tablet General] kc12:
8704X update 000041

I got notification today for update 000041
[Thinkpad Tablet General] Ja_som:
Also here is one...
[Thinkpad Tablet General] kc12:
AnTuTu with 000041 update..

The best I can do.. down from 000038 which was 78±. How about you? The difference is with the CPU.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
My score
[Thinkpad Tablet General] dywersant:
Made this and thought somone else might find it useful.

Twrp flashable full firmware, updated to the latest patch.

TB-8704F only.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dgo9h4epmf3z9hb/TB-8704F_S000036_180502_ROW.zip?dl=0
[Thinkpad Tablet General] tmihai20:
[MENTION=6612046]dywersant[/MENTION]: the F version is the WiFi only one? I am not using the tablet, I am getting it for my sister, just in case. Hers is not rooted, but it is good to have a backup like this.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] dywersant:
Yes. Model ending with F = wifi.

Wysłane z mojego LG-D855 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
Very helpful,.

If needed, would I install the zip from TWRP or do I need to extract the files and restore?
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
Under developer options there is a setting called "Select USB Configuration" I would like it to be "MTP" so that I can quickly do file transfers when plugging in a USB cable. On my phone I can only get "Charging" to work/stick.

Is anyone else seeing this problem?

Anyone know how to get "MTP" to be selected as the option??
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
What app are you using to look at your device and memory?
[Thinkpad Tablet General] kc12:
Diskinfo.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=me.kuder.diskinfo
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
Looks like I have some more debloating to do. I removed all the Lenovo bloatware in the list that you shared.

What else can I remove to free up more system space? I realize that it is at my own risk.

Also, why do I have some many mount points compared to your report?
[Thinkpad Tablet General] kc12:
Just a guess on my part... Titanium and magisk doesn't work properly with our tablet.

That's what I've found... Use a root browser, I'm using es pro. Go to system/ app & priv-app. You'll probably find a lot of the apps you deleted with titanium have folders still here. Sometimes the apk is gone, but the folder and the oat file still remains. You'll have to delete them here. Sometimes other apk file related are here.. kidozone, kids store, ect... They don't show in titanium. Check the vendor file too.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
The folders in system/app and priv-app don't look bad. I ran SD Maid after deleting the Apps via TiBU which may explain the lack of empty folders.

There are a lot of files in /vendor that are carrier specific like Telfonica, LATAM, DT, ChinaMobile, etc. My tablet is WiFi only. Would deleting these folders/files free up system memory?

Everything is working fine. I will be on the road for the next 3 weeks, so I am going to leave the system alone for now.

What have been your issues with Magisk? I installed the Buysbox module which required clear cache before I could boot.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] Ja_som:
What is the point of free space on system partition?
[Thinkpad Tablet General] dahawthorne:
Simon (or anyone else), have you had any more problems with SD cards in your Tab 4? I've just bought one (TB-8704F) knowing that this problem with SDs exists, and I'm naturally reluctant to spend a lot of money (£80) on a card knowing that one day it might suddenly die. It's good news at least that your card wasn't fried, as I've seen other reports saying that the card no longer works at all in any device. I'm currently using a Sandisk 64GB to see if it has any problems before risking a larger one. Since the tablet has only 16GB on-board, it's basically useless as a stand-alone device without a card.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] Ja_som:
[MENTION=6161558]dahawthorne[/MENTION]

I bought an 64GB SanDisk card, I only can use it as portable storage, when I tried to use it as internal storage I've got an error while formating.

But I only tried it once, maybe it was only a issue and if I try it again, more more times, it will work. I have the 64GB version of this tablet, so for now I don't need to expand it so much.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] dahawthorne:
Thanks. I wouldn't ever risk using an SD card as internal shared storage, since I've seen posts about Motorola devices destroying the entire OS when the SD fails - and I even know someone who suffered it. It's probably fortunate for you that your device refuses to let you use it as internal, especially with this device's reputation for corrupting SDs...

Edit: While reading through this thread I came across this post:

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=75966439&postcount=82

which leads to this Lenovo forum discussion on SD corruption:

https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo...orruption/td-p/3800093/highlight/false/page/5

and a post on this page has this suggestion:

1. open contacts - search for ####3333#

2. secret menu appears, see screenshot

3. choose "method three" = "close log after reboot" and then click "Exit"

4. unmount sd card in Android settings to be safe

5. reboot

I haven't suffered any corruption, but since I got my Tab 4 only yesterday there's still plenty of time :)

I've tried this suggestion anyway in the hope that I'll continue to be lucky, though I'm not clear if this is a fix requiring it to be done on every reboot or if it's a permanent resolution.

Still interested in any other owners' advice and particularly thoughts on this proposed fix above.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
I think the SD card problem has been fixed. The OS no longer writes a log to the SD card.

I did the hidden menu option, just in case. I am using a Samsung 128 GB card.

I switched to transferring files via ftp and wifi because my computer doesn't see any files on the internal and sd card memory with a USB cable.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
Gps roaming seems broken. I am in Europe and can't get the GPS to find any satellites. I have tried many things including

Going outside

Loading gpsA data

Rebooting

Multiple GPS checkers

Toggling location scanning and location mode

Any suggestions?
[Thinkpad Tablet General] kc12:
Reference to phone vemdors - I have deleted these typs of files on other wifi tablets, but each tablet rom is different. I personally would give it a try. But who knows with this tablet until you try. So maybe wait till you get home in case you have to restore.

I have issues with titanium not allowing me to remove system apps. That's the error I get occasionally. Or sometimes it says it can't find the apk. I then go to es file and locate it, then delete it. The reason I say magisk might not be working properly is because sometimes es file will give me the message " read only file system " and denies the task. A reboot corrects it. None of these issues are consistent. All random. And nothing that would deter me from using them. I just keep it in mind.

Does the wifi tablet have a gps? Or are you referring to A-gps? One of the apks on my bloatkill is fused location. If you removed it, and backed it up, reinstall it. See if it helps A-gps. It shouldn't have any bearing on gps though, if you have that. Fused location is a wifi location booster, so to speak. As I understand it, it's not needed. You could try reinstalling it anyway.

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There's very little space available. Depending on what you want to install to system file, you might not be able to. Deleting does free up quite a bit of space. If you know how, you could repartition and move that space. Besides, I don't want them.. they serve no purpose. I'm paranoid. I want them out of my tablet. ?
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
Can someone post or send me the APK for the Lenovo Fused application?

I want to see if it makes my GPS work.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] kc12:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PD8BkpfQw2YI6ZUEH0zgz4aq-UyRY7Iu/view?usp=drivesdk
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
Getting a message that "the package appears corrupt"

wondering if i need to copy it to system/apps versus installing it.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] kc12:
Try moving it to priv-apps and the~ install it

Edited: If that doesn't work try putting this folder in priv-app and install

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1xOyYKFT43zIT8caV1rU3HqZXZaRPB7IO
[Thinkpad Tablet General] symbiansimian:
LTE question, USA t-mobile

Has anyone tried to get this to work on T mob in the USA, specifically 4G/LTE on band 2 and 4?
[Thinkpad Tablet General] kc12:
I'm using it in the usa with freedompop, which uses at&t and band2.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] cowbutt:
Has anyone else noticed that adb isn't running in secure mode on the Tab 4 8 Plus?

I just connected my new Tab 4 8 Plus to my computer, installed the Lenovo adb drivers, and found that I was able to adb to the tablet without having to authorise my computer's RSA fingerprint, meaning that anyone who had physical access to my tablet could do the same. getprop ro.adb.secure shows it's set to 1, which should mean that the user has to authorize the fingerprint of any computer that tries to connect via adb.

I also had the same experience using adb from a Linux system (which obviously doesn't have Lenovo adb drivers available!).

My tablet is running the TB-8704F_S000036_180502_ROW build, software version TB-8704F_RF01_170517.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
Did a bit of clean up and now have over 1 GB of free system space.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] swieder711:
Reported my results too quickly. After running just the debloat script, many apps were stopping like gmail, Twitter and Evernote. Tried wiping cache system wide and uninstall/re-installing the apps. No luck.

Thankfully TWRP system.img had me back in less than a minute.

I am going to try just debloating some of the carrier system apks and see if that is stable.

Has anyone else used the [MENTION=6939319]Hemphiz[/MENTION] debloat script with success?
[Thinkpad Tablet General] kc12:
I had to authorize with the 8704x 000041 row.

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I haven't had a chance yet. I plan on editing it first. I'll let you know how it goes.