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[Xiaomi Mi 5s Plus Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Xiaomi Mi 5s Plus's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.

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[Touch Cruise General] Anks:
I've just got off the phone from O2 after ordering my XDA Orbit 2 on their new tariff. I am a little sceptical however. I called them yesterday and they said that the phone was released today, the guy I spoke to was adamant about this. So I called up this morning and spoke to a nice lady. She told me that the screen said the phone was not released until the end of February but thought that was wrong and was sure it was today and went to check with someone.

She came back and told me it was available and the original Orbit was not being sold and all orders would be dispatched as the Orbit 2. I was given a choice of whether I wanted it with or without co-pilot, I went without and was told the cost was £19.99 on an Online 35 18 month contract or free with the Online 45 18 month contract. Still dubious whether I would get the original Orbit, she said she's go and check with a manager and call me back. Got a call back 5 minutes later to confirm it will definitely be the Orbit 2 so I placed my order.

Still wonder which I'll get, anyone else placed an order?
[Touch Cruise General] qtek_metanol:
ohh a big mistake.....!!!! :eek:
[Touch Cruise General] rashm:
I just got told to call back on Monday.
[Touch Cruise General] gareh:
Apparently Mine's on its way too.

I made sure they said it was the Orbit 2, so should be with me on Monday/Tuesday!
[Touch Cruise General] vijayvasa:
whats the number you people are calling? I was SAID on monday
[Touch Cruise General] gareh:
O2 Upgrades... 08706003009 Option2, Option2, Option2.
[Touch Cruise General] chris2403:
Ive just been told its out on the 31st February :rolleyes:. Seems as though no-one really knows whats going on but thats just ridiculous. at least pick a date that exhists
[Touch Cruise General] nick666:
woohoo!

Just ordered mine (by dialing 202 on my existing o2 phone) - will be delivered by DHL in 1-2 working days (so Monday or Tuesday next week)

I triple checked it was the Orbit 2 (rather than Orbit 1)

Just for info the deal I managed to get was:

Free phone

18 month contract

600 x-network minutes

500 texts

unlimited internet

without the satnav software (not sure how much extra that would have been)

£25/month (is the £35 tariff but went through the retentions team who knocked it down).
[Touch Cruise General] rTyler:
:D:D:D

this is the best by far... does it mean, we newer gona get it?! :rolleyes:
[Touch Cruise General] rTyler:
wow

how did you manage that?!

25/month with the new tariff??

sounds amazing
[Touch Cruise General] nick666:
Phoned up a few weeks ago asking for a PAC code. They offered me £15 off my current tariff (£35) if I also took the £7.50 data bolt-on taking it to £27.50. I said yes but wanted to wait for the Orbit 2 and he made a note on the system. So when I called again today they offered me the £35 tariff which now includes a free bolt-on. Told them about the previous offer which was still on their system so they offered my £10 off the new tarrif.

Might just have been lucky, but means they are willing/able to go down that much if you push them.

I spoke to Martin Peers ex 70682 in the retentions team initially. Not sure if dropping names and mentioning offers that other people have got helps but it might be worth a try.
[Touch Cruise General] dzign-it:
just rang to order. there in stock, but the upgrade "shop" isnt working, need to call back later.
[Touch Cruise General] rTyler:
I N S T O C K ! ! !

i can confirm; they have it, just push them.

first i been told, it`s coming out on the 31 feb. i was laughing... quick recheck and i got the same tariff as nick666, but 35pm. i am a select customer, but couldn`t get any better

waiting for monday waiting for monday waiting for monday :D

thanks nick666
[Touch Cruise General] jonboyuk:
Guys!!! Please tell me what you said!!!! I called them 3 times. Here are my experiences;

1. Called upgrades. Not out till end of Feb sorry, can't help.

2. Called new buyers. Out on Monday (this was reconnaissance work to see if they had it). As it happens I want good upgrade offers!

3. Called the retentaion dept and said I wanted to leave. I said the I know for a fact that other people have bought the Orbit 2 and I had been denied. The guy sounded bemused and said, well let me check....end of Feb. I said but it's on your website under the business dept. He said ohhhh yes I'm afraid that's a diff. dept and only available for business users because it's a business phone. He did say they would knock £20 off my existing £30p/m tarriff however! But no phone!!!! How can I blag it? Normally it's 3rd time lucky!
[Touch Cruise General] nick666:
Sounds like the message hasn't trickled through to all the departments yet - so sounds like you've just been unlucky!!

When I ordered today, it was through the upgrade number, but because I mentioned that I'd already spoken to the retention team they put me through to them. Unfortunately I can't remember the name of the girl I spoke to, but was definitely the retention team. She did take a while when checking if they were available so might not be on the screens yet?
[Touch Cruise General] jonboyuk:
Damn O2, why does it have to be so difficult?! I did speak to the retention team and I was on hold for 3 mins while he went to find out! Should I try again - what if I get the same guy? How embarrasing!!
[Touch Cruise General] reyjabs:
One more member for the petition. Hurray!!!!!!!:D
[Touch Cruise General] dzign-it:
I called them back, systems are still down.

She first said they dont have them in stock, end of feb is release date. I told her no, its out today and they do have stock. she said "erm...hold on.....*types*....oh yes its out later today" lololool.

Systems still down though, have to call back again
[Touch Cruise General] HandySpanner:
Sounds like a lot of angst. I think I'll just wait until the 31st of Feb :rolleyes:
[Touch Cruise General] chris2403:
just called upgrades told it was in stock but i wasn't eligible till 6th so i wanted the cancel that contract and take out a new one, he put me through to sales, was told not in stock till 31st feb, told him i was told by two people(including a manager) it was out today, started shouting at me saying if they had it why would they want stop people from buying it or something, wouldn't let me speak and then the w****r hung up on me :mad:. all i said was i was told it was out today, that was the last thing i said. Gonna ring upgrades back on the 6th because so far all the representatives there have been excellent. was offered £35pm, 400mins, 1000txts, 12 Month Contract and the phone for £39.99 and that was without haggling.
[Touch Cruise General] jabok:
Online 35 including unlimited web + free handset for £25pm... same deal as the previous dude. Just went through, smooth as silk - no discussions about availability, no haggling, etc. 1-3 days delivery. :D
[Touch Cruise General] Nocturne_sa:
Just adding a bit of info..

Went to my Local high street shop here at Reading and they have it in stock..exactly same tarriffs as the online ones..so if you guys are in a hurry to get one then i suggest going to you local O2 stores...
[Touch Cruise General] jonboyuk:
What a bloody farce!!! They have it in shops yet "it's not available"!! This is doing my nut in. I wonder when sales closes? I might have another go tonight lol!
[Touch Cruise General] dzign-it:
what an absolute pisstake!!!!

Iv spoke to 2 people, both said £19.99, was going to do a better price for me but the system was down and i was told to ring back.

Just rang back, the dumb ass lady says its 49.99 and she cannot sell any cheaper. WTF?!!!??! GRRRRRRRRRRR.
[Touch Cruise General] jabok:
I should add that my £25pm deal with the handset for free was an upgrade and they'd put me through to retentions.

Makes a nice change from the days when I was with O2 previously and they wanted to charge me £50 (at end of contract) for a handset that was free to new customers! :p;)
[Touch Cruise General] jonboyuk:
Fourth Time Lucky!!!

:) Well I did it!!! Called again :) I did what nick did, I called the upgrades dept and said I would like to speak to the retention dept. This time they had the Orbit 2's available to everyone (as opposed to my last 3 attempts). He wanted £49.99 for the phone and I retain my old £35 a month contract.

After a little blagging - he agreed that I could have the phone for free and I've swapped to the new 500 texts & 400 mintues, unlimited internet which is £35 a month AND because I'm an existing customer he knocked £15 a month off.

So - Orbit 2 Upgrade, Free Phone, New Tarrif for only £20 pm. Good eh!
[Touch Cruise General] jabok:
:) Cheaper than buying a Touch Cruise retail, assuming you're an an 18 month contract.

Don't think that's the "proper" new £35pm tariff you're on though as you get 600 mins and 1000 texts with it (as well as the unlimited data bolt-on of course).

Still, £5pm saved if you don't need the extra minutes/texts. ;)
[Touch Cruise General] ukemaxxer:
Has anyone managed to get one as a new customer yet?
[Touch Cruise General] zebby:
I picked one up this afternoon from Durham o2 store. They had 2 delivered today. Very pleased with mine ;)
[Touch Cruise General] ukemaxxer:
Good to know they are out there, what contract did you go for and how much was the phone?
[Touch Cruise General] zebby:
£50 for handset (although with trade of £30 for an old brick = £20), but thats on a £40 12 month contract. Sim card is for the Mrs as she talks a lot !

They will match-online basically. However since he could not properly check online - since it was not showing today (apart from in the business section)...any differences will be sorted out next week.

Inc. co-pilot and car charger / mount.

Hope this helps.
[Touch Cruise General] ukemaxxer:
Cheers, looks like it's off to the shops tomorrow. Wonder what trade in they will give me on an unlocked and unbranded N73. Soon find out
[Touch Cruise General] phsnake:
i did try 2 order it yesterday(1.2.08) but unfortunately they had system down, after reading this thread i called them today saying "your colleague promised that i'll get it on tuesday, but system was down yesterday" and i'll get it(hopefully). Girl was nice no probs, she asked only about tarif..... try this way.
[Touch Cruise General] KK43:
Before I switch to O2 to get this phone when my contract is up, does O2 also give unrestricted internet browsing? Or are they still doing that silly i-mode thingie?
[Touch Cruise General] jonboyuk:
No they do an unlimited web package now. Actually, if you choose a 600+ min tarriff you can have the unlimited web bolt on free (or £7.50 pm if you aren't 600+).

I just realised my tarriff is 600 mins, 1000 text, unlimited web, free orbit 2, 18months, upgrade from last tarriff all for.......... £20.00 p/m! I think I got a good deal! Phone arrives Monday.
[Touch Cruise General] ukemaxxer:
I just picked one up at O2 shop in White Rose Centre in Leeds. Told they only had 2 left
[Touch Cruise General] jabok:
Damn! Think if I phone them up and say I'm sending it back as it's too expensive they'll give me an extra £5 off!? ;) Still a good deal at £25 but £20 obviously better! :)
[Touch Cruise General] stephencurle:
Hi all,

Hoes the unlimited web allow you to use it as a modem or is it only for web on the handset?

I am on Orange at the moment and out of contract as of today.

The rounded corners on the XDA appeal to me in preference to the more angular Cruise.

Are there any internal differences between the two?

Thanks

Stephen
[Touch Cruise General] dzign-it:
ordered mine,should be here tuesday/wednesday.

cost me £19.99, id called 3 times previous and was in no mood to haggle lololol. 35per month contract.
[Touch Cruise General] nahguam:
I have to wait til May for my T-Mobile contract to end but I went in to O2 in Chesterfield today just to get a feel for the Orbit 2. They had been sent 2 handsets on Friday. 1 was sold on Friday and the 2nd was being sold while I was in store. Popular handset!

I did have a play with the dummy handset - the scroll wheel isn't like I imagined. Whether it was because it was just a dummy handset I don't know but it protruded out more than I liked and it felt very 'grainy' when scrolling, like there was sand in the mechanism. I was expecting it to be like a mousewheel - with definite clicks as it's scrolled. Is a real handset like this?

I much prefer the overall shape of the orbit2 to the polaris, but I definitely prefer the look of the scroll/nav wheel of the polaris, especially as it has a light around the central button.

(I would also like to know if the O2 unlimited net allows you to use the phone as a modem as I use my Hermes like that all the time)
[Touch Cruise General] ptpeetee:
Damn. I just ordered mine on an upgrade today at £35 a month for 600mins, 1000 texts and unlimited data.

Should I call them back before the phone arrives to try to negotiate a better deal, or threaten to send the phone back under their 14 day return policy as a negotiating tool?
[Touch Cruise General] jonboyuk:
In my experience - ALWAYS pretend you're leaving and that you've had bad service and that you're going elsewhere and they will pull all the stops out. Okay so you have to lie a bit (or maybe not) but it's worth it.

As far as using the new O2 tarriff for data as a modem...don't! It clearly says, not to be used as a modem for a PC/P2P/Audio/Video Streaming/Voice! Anything else goes though!
[Touch Cruise General] ptpeetee:
I don't think that would stop me from using it on the odd occasion as a modem for my laptop. I don't think they'd be able to tell the difference between me using the phone to collect my emails or the laptop to do the same.
[Touch Cruise General] zen123:
you guys who already got it can you tell whats included in the box Thanks
[Touch Cruise General] gareh:
So how about establishing a VPN connection to your home router (DD-WRT) over PPTP on your phone, then setting this as the connection for the internet. You could run voip, stream media, use as modem, etc without o2 knowing what traffic is being transmitted?

Just a theory...
[Touch Cruise General] BadTasteUK:
Bought mine on Friday; it has 1GB microSD with CoPilot7 pre-installed, car charger, windscreen-suction-cradle-thingy, headphones, remote control, USB connection, mains charger. That's it (I think).

By the way, the O2 firmware does seem to be bug free so far (although I would prefer to have the HTC Home Page with the huge digital clock).
[Touch Cruise General] jabok:
Can't you just install it from here - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=355277 (HTC Home Plugin v1.6.cab 299.0 KB ) ?
[Touch Cruise General] asanon:
Can I buy it in the US?

I was wondering if there is a way for me to buy O2 XDA Orbit 2. I live in the US, and of course I can't have a contract with O2, but Orbit 2 is much cooler than Touch Cruise!

I hope there is a way...
[Touch Cruise General] BadTasteUK:
Unless you have a friend in the UK who's willing to take out a contract, you'll have to wait for them to appear on ebay. :(
[Touch Cruise General] BadTasteUK:
Hi Jabok, I tried that, it only puts an additional bar on the home screen, as opposed to the full HTC home page that you see in photos of the TC.
[Touch Cruise General] finesse:
OHHHHHH I hate tmobile, they have no plans to upgrade their version of the artemis.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
[Touch Cruise General] jabok:
Ah, that's disappointing... I'm wanting the full HTC home page too when I get my device (tomorrow hopefully.) Perhaps we have to wait for the cooked ROM... hope you've donated! ;)
[Touch Cruise General] rashm:
You could install the Kaisers home screen and change the theme to black.

Works fine....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=365244

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=344544
[Touch Cruise General] BadTasteUK:
Didn't work for me! :( It showed an analogue clock with a corrutpted background, and three lines on the right showing mms / sms / email.

I was hoping for the home screen that has the big digital clock on it. Here's a pic...

Does this exist somewhere as an easy download?
[Touch Cruise General] rashm:
Is this the file you downloaded?

HTC Home Plug v1.6 [eng]

http://rapidshare.com/files/69610818/HTC.Kaiser.Home.Eng.0409.6Tab.schen.cab

If so, unsure why it did not work for you..
[Touch Cruise General] dirty_dog:
O2 are now telling me they dont have any online after being told to call back today.

any suggestions for another department to call as I am a new customer?
[Touch Cruise General] dirty_dog:
but a store local to me has them in for £200 on a 35ppm 18month contract (600mins/500txt + bolt on)

expensive?
[Touch Cruise General] jabok:
Very expensive, considering some existing customers are getting them for free on the same contract BUT reduced from £35pm to £20pm! :eek:

Good to see them treating existing customers well but seems expensive for new people, especially as the N95 8Gb is free on the £35pm deal and it's a more expensive handset (retail).
[Touch Cruise General] Johny1fin:
Yes its expensive when you consider that for £45/months its free with copilot 7, as I got one on Saturday in Chesterfield O2.

So an extra £10/month is still cheaper over 18 months.

I have read on this forum that some are getting it online with o2 for free on a £35/month contract and paying £25/month.

John
[Touch Cruise General] rashm:
http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=63916&d=1199218526

info from January brouchure...advertising at £50 for the 600 plan
[Touch Cruise General] zen123:
I only wanted the phone not bothered about the minutes so as my son's contract was up mid March I went for an O2 Business deal. After a bit of haggling I got free handset (haggled down from £49.99) for £28pm + VAT 300mins 50 txt on 12month contract. That's equiv to just under £400 in total so not too bad.

Tried hard but I couldn't get any of the £20 pm with free handset deals even though I with O2.
[Touch Cruise General] shocket:
I am getting my orbit 2 tommorow and was looking forward to the htc home page like alot of others, does anyone who has changed the homepage got any advice on the best one to download and if it is working well and leaves the rest of phone working as it should,

by the way o2 retentions did it for me for free on 25 pound 18 month contract with copilot etc
[Touch Cruise General] magnumforce2000:
I got a rubbish deal from O2 even though I have been on there top package for over 4 years (O2 MAX).

I couldn't get anything and I tried... so in the end I got the Online 45 (1200 mins, 1000 texts) + data bolt on for £45 (18 month contract). Phone + GPS software was free.

So basically I get the same as a new customer so nothing for loyality for free.

I'm tempted to sent it back within 14 days and go somewhere else.
[Touch Cruise General] dirty_dog:
thats interesting I was told £79.99 with that plan!

someone from sales should call me when they can sell it later today as they apparently cannot at the moment :confused:
[Touch Cruise General] asanon:
Sad news...:( but thanks!
[Touch Cruise General] moby_jones:
seems like o2 are taking their time to get their act together on this handset. I went into one of the O2 stores in Aberdeen today to enquire about it. They had 2 in stock but the woman couldn't get it to come in less that £249.99 on ANY tariff!!!!:eek:

The shop was filling up with undesirables so I said I'd go back in in a week or so to see if they were in any better shape:(
[Touch Cruise General] stu123:
I phoned O2 sales this morning as a new customer and they said the phone was unavailable. I went to my O2 store in Swindon this afternoon and bought it for £49 on the £35 tariff. Would have been free on the £45 tariff.
[Touch Cruise General] Biomehanika:
Loyalty

I am a current O2 customer and got the phone for £20 on the Online 35.

My friend is a new customer and has been informed that the Orbit 2 is being held for existing customers only until Friday 8th.

Might be that O2 are expecting high sales and are making sure that existing customers have first shout.

Sounds like a loyalty incentive to me...
[Touch Cruise General] logan602041:
Orbit 2 available now on business contract.

Success at last!, I called O2 today and was told Orbit 2 wasn't on their system yet and therefore orders could not be placed, despite being called and offered an Orbit 2 by one of their reps on 1st Feb.

I tried again and again thinking maybe a different operator would get a different result, I explained the situation to the last guy and it turns out that the Orbit 2 is available first as a business phone and you can get it before general release if you call their business number.

When they asked I told them I was self-employed and I was offered the phone for free on a 12 month £28/month contract.

Now I sit and wait, happy hunting!
[Touch Cruise General] underzone:
Suitable HTC home plug in (the one with the large digital clock) here: (Schen's 6 Button HTC Home today screen plugin v2.1.1005.722)

http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/ph...ation-pack-cab-files-all-devices-14-10-a.html
[Touch Cruise General] delboylee:
I just ordered mine this afternoon, been an O2 customer for 7 years, I managed to get the Orbit 2 free on:

800mins, 500 text, data bolt on all for £32 a month, 18 month contract. (£40 p/m with 20% discount). I'm tempted to send it back too after reading some of the other guy's deals!
[Touch Cruise General] magnumforce2000:
I would have accepted your deal! Not sure why some people are getting better deals that others. I have been on the O2 Max £75 a month plan for 4 years.

I think you get 14 days to return the phone, so I might do that if better offers come out within that time.
[Touch Cruise General] delboylee:
I think I got an OK deal. Not sure if the minutes are rollover? They used to be on my old tariff! That's good you got the sat nav too. Is that just software? I heard google maps works quite well too, I'm new to WM so still learning it all!
[Touch Cruise General] schaggo:
I could get you a German Orbit 2. My GF is from Philadelphia and her family is still over there. Her father is a business guy and jets back and forth between Europe and the US. I could give him a package and tell him to send it to you. Price would be 499 Euros plus shipping (inside US) of course. If German is to you what cooking is to me ;) you could always flash it with an English ROM, be it a Touch Cruise or UK Orbit 2.

Question@all: In a German forum I found pictures of the UK version of the Orbit 2. It looked quite different, bigger screen and no O2 logo at the bottom. Can anyone confirm? Can anyone provide a picture of his UK orbit 2?

And the German Orbit 2 ROM features the same stuff as the Touch Cruise except a different default theme and preconfigured O2 data connection stuff. Weird you Englishmen have to suffer some O2 branding :(

Forgot to add: TomTom including Germany, Switzerland and Austria plus Major Roads of Western Europe is included, for free. Other maps, covering almost the whole world including US and parts of Asia can be found online...
[Touch Cruise General] HandySpanner:
The review at http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/4wm-reviews-hardware/14241-o2-xda-orbit-2-review.html reckons that CoPilot is in the ROM. So I dunno whether it's an optional extra anyway, or whether they all come with it. Sure they could give you the phone without the maps (which I think comes supplied on a 1gb SD card), but I wouldn't be surprised if they *all* come with CoPilot.