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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] kin0kin:
Also, as a serious audiophile, I really really urge that people think TWICE, or TRICE, before jumping on WALKMAN phone. I bought the w950i as I only paid a little over $200 for it new, and it has 4gb built-in. I'd expected the sound quality to be at least as good as some MP3 players....boy was I wrong..my Hermes + SRS WOW with Stock earbuds beat the crap out of the walkmanphone with whatever EQ on it, even if I amped the phone and use it along with my Sennheiser HD600, there's still no match at all. I immediately felt stupid for buying that phone. Fortunately, the phone was for my GF so it didn't bother me too much and she didn't seem to care too much about Sound Quality, convenience was all that matters to her. As for me, WM, hands down. I wouldn't mind playing with an iphone after it gets matured. ATM, there's just so many things that's lacking on it...undeniably, the UI is great...Apple's always good with UI and design..a very innovative company indeed. And TBH, I thought HTC's Apps played a great deal of a role in keeping the competition up. If WM looks like WM5/Stock WM6....I wouldn't be surprised that WM would slowly get crushed by Apple in the future.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] jompao:
I will probably jump ship to when an 3G Iphone is available and I see that you can actually install 3d party apps on it.

I did however see the new Samsung I780 and it looks very nice, small formfactgor, localised proper keyboard, 3G, Wifi, bt, GPS and touchpad like on a notebook to control stuff..
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] TBCompDesign:
I've been a WM user for a long time. I used to lurk on the forums waiting for all of the new roms waiting to install them all. I also used to try out EVERY new 3rd party app that hit the market. I've been a long time member here, in fact my registration here is the longest standing for any website I'm actually active on.

It pains me to leave it all though. I'm buying an iPhone in the next couple of weeks. When it first came out, I still had my "Well who cares, I've got my good old HTC" mindset but have seen it perform better for the purposes I have reduced to using my phone for.

I want to be clear on what those purposes are, I listen to alot of podcasts and audio books. I also do alot of email and text messaging. Thats pretty much it. I don't need a great camera or fast Internet. with that said, the iPhone handles the audio that has become such a big part of my phone usage over the past year better than any WM device ever built.

How can you go wrong with a 160dpi 3.5" multi-touch screen anyways?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] GldRush98:
My girlfriend got a blackberry curve a few months ago and I am amazed by how FAST and how WELL it works. Makes me jealous I'm stuck with this bloated troll known as Windows Mobile.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] mattk_r:
I definetly sympathize with you on this topic - many of times lately I've scoured the AT&T website debating to get a phone that I CAN'T flash 30 frigging times a day - just so I can lead a normal life again.

I think it boils down to what you want it to do. I like to have the flexibility to shape it any and every way I can, and try to find a way around something that doesn't work well. Some people prefer simple and reliable.

'Tis a rough blade edge to manuver, but here we dance on it every day :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] larsuck:
I live in Japan, home of some really slick phones that never make it to Europe or the states. Most people look at my Tytn and say things like, "its so clunky!" and "what?! it doesn't have a TV tuner?!"

But recently I sent my Tytn away for servicing (HTC refused me by the way, caught me out with a different bootloader) and it was away for a week. They gave me one of those slick phones as a replacement and I totally went into withdrawal. It felt like when I was quitting smoking and the replacement phone was like that nicorette gum - necessary and yet sooo unsatisfying. For me Matt, there is no more "normal life" to go back to.

Iphone is really, really nice. But in the end it is going to be just like Mac computers. With WM and with Windows, I can do what I want, how I want, when I want (and usually for free). Iphone and OSX trade these freedoms for a smoother, cleaner and more stable system. It is a fair trade-off and may fit some people's needs, but I'll take the former any day.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] LouMessina:
WM or HTC or AT&T?

It does appear to be getting worse, but I'm not sure where the blame falls, probably mostly on HTC.

Without having altered the systems, I recently went from WM5 to WM6. There was a decrease in memory; IE slowed to where it's practically unusable; mail/messages are deleted with each reboot; auto send/receive doesn't work; programs suddenly close; no javascript; Flashplayer 7 doesn't work on most sites; can't view You Tube on their new mobile site; video clips on WMP are still poor; streaming frequently doesn't work; Search, Zip, & Voice Speed Dial programs are useless; Windows Update does nothing; & I have to manually change my connection settings before each email or data use.

In the past, I found home-made patches in forums to correct some problems. More effective versions should've been routinely offered by HTC.

I'm not versed enough to know the difference between a cooked ROM, a baked ROM, or one that's been roasted @ 360 degrees for 1/2 hr. I'd like to see that minimized by their getting it right in the first place.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] C Brown:
patience patience patience. You guys act like you have a equivalent to windows me on your device. I only have small problems that a soft reset will take care of. I dig windows mobile I dont think its that bad.

Read this and get your hopes up.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/what.s-w...ow-wm7-and-wm8-are-going-to-fix-it-333536.php
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] TBCompDesign:
C,

I have read the Gizmodo articles about WM7 and 8. I guess I'll have to re-evaluate when I see it. I've been on the Cutting edge with WM devices since the original HTC (Spaceneedle) T-Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition with flashing roms, but it has really gotten OLD. Mostly because anytime you flash a rom, it seems stable for a week or so but then boggs down and gets frustrating because you have to soft reset EVERY DAY!!!

My Linux webserver at home, granted we are talking about different technology here, has been running without a hickup or reboot for 388 days. I know I can't expect performance like that from a WM device but come on, this things got more horse power (Processor and RAM) than my first Windows PC. Why can't I get some stability out of it?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] unicorn78:
I think he should do more reseach about WM. I like WM because I can change many things, programes, utilities, interfaces, rom...., I only encounter some small problems each time I change my room, but I can find a solution quickly. There are many good men here :). If I satisfied with those I had in my phone I think there would be no issues. In the fact I only reset my phone when has a request for resetting after installing a programe.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] GldRush98:
Good article!! WinMo is terribly broken... The problem is though I do not believe MS will give enough of a **** to fix it :(
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] character:
it so sad hearing this

I am a windows mobile user for several years now I can say is that compared to any phone that I have used in the past windows really rocks...

I am no computer literate but with this phone I was oblidged to know how to use photoshop learn some basic programming and hopefully can build my own OS

windows mobile let me link with this site and have found new friends and that was amazing that a simple phone can bind peoples mind in working an almost perfect rom for most of the users

yeah just like any relationship there are ups and downs maybe you are just feeling tired but again you will miss the moment if you let your windows mobile go... I have tried this one bought an Iphone though there are sites suporting Iphone I sold it to go back with windows IMHO flexibility is what windows mobile is all about no phone out there can match windows operating system ( though there are still stability issues ;))

just my 2 cents
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zephxiii:
Are you fing serious? WM is a fing mess compared to s60, the ONLY reason I use it is because of touchscreen, and functionality, other than that, i hate it.

S60 3rd is nice, and I love switching back to it, and when i do, its like a nice refreshing break from lets get frustrated with the stupidity of WM. It just feels like i have to work too f*cking hard to make WM somewhat nice to use. And when i finally do, i have to f*cking soft reset it.

The only real functionality for me that wm has, is remote desktop. I miss podcasting on S60 (so nice!), as well as nokia maps (no internets needed), and RSS feeds. I hear WIFI is a million times better on S60 too, wish mine had it, wifi f*cking pisses me off in WM, always had dig through menus just to connect to ****.

OH and f*cking christs sake, can we get a native browser that is a joy to use FOR ONCE ON WM?!!?

AHHHHHHHG RANT RANT
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] GldRush98:
preach on brother.

I hard reset the phone tonight and the wifi on at boot for no reason went away. Restored a backup and it came back right away, so something has gotten corrupted. God only knows what though. I am so sick of this stupid phone.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ChaoticDruid:
Maybe if you guys that are complaining quit flashing so many of the new trash ROMS, you wouldnt have these problems, its always HTC or MS's fault...I have an old LVSW ROM running here, have been since it was released, and its beyond stable. Sure the software you install can cause issues, but thats not HTC nor MS's fault, I really think a lot of this simply boils down to user error, and blaming others is a lot simpler than saying "I just cant stop jacking around with stuff".
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] irockash:
I'm starting to hate having a touchscreen. My buttons are starting to stop working randomly (associated with the white screen o' death), and at times I'm forced to use the touch screen.

Yes its only like 2 inches, but its alot easier to move my fingers milimeters especially with one hand. Its fine every now and then when I can spare a hand to hold the phone in, but usually not (they're not friendly to smokers, I think HTC is trying to make me quit).

I like the trackball on the BlackBerry's (but they're slow, even with wifi), and I'll lose 3G going with Symbian, but I may have to bite the bullet and keep track of wifi hot spots.

Software side I have no one to blame but my self, flashing every two days now (actually I blame it on these chefs for being so damn productive), but usually I can make WM work for me. I think I just need to take a break from WM.

No honey, its not you, its me...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] rugby:
Please do some research before posting inaccurate information:

MS bought $150 million in stock in 1997 and then sold it a few years later. It was non-voting stock and less than 1% of Apple's worth.

I have a TyTN and an iPod touch. I use the TyTN less and less these days because I'm tired of having to get a stylus out to do anything on it.

The iPhone isn't perfect, however I will take a serious look at one if there's a 3G version that licenses activesync.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] noellenchris:
I swore I read that somewhere on the internet... It must have been true....LOL

Thanks for correcting my error.....I guess he sold his shares in 2001..

later

Chris

PS... try sending a picture via bluetooth with one of those iphones...lol
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zephxiii:
yea, the iphone's lameness pisses me off, great job jobs.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] GldRush98:
Wifi on at boot is being caused by BlueFire Mobile VPN!

Another mystery solved, only 1,092 left to figure out.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] rugby:
That won't work, I know that.

Here's something about the two companies. Apple will include fewer features however for the most part they will work well. MS will include thousands of features that may or may not work at all depending upon things like the phase of the moon, tidal movements, etc.

I don't own an iPhone as it doesn't do the things I want out of a device, however my TyTN drives me batty with how many clicks it takes to get somewhere or the fact I need my stylus to navigate.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] noellenchris:
I started w/dell PPC - sold it & bought a laptop - picked up an MPX200 smartphone (backlight went out) - got an 6682 symbian - realized I missed my PPC and picked up an 8125 - sold on ebay and ended up w/hermes.....

After all that I found out I like the PPC/phone combo. I won't leave home without it. I can open tons of docs/files etc when I need to reference them. It's nice to have all the features handy. I have to admit though it takes some effort to find a good combo of roms and software to be reliable though, but I like it and know that I'd miss it if I get rid of it.

Chris
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] rugby:
I use my TyTN mainly as a planner/datebook for my business. It syncs via OTA Activesync to my kerio mailserver so everything is available to me immediately. I can enter in tasks and events on the phone, and when I open up my macbook pro, everything is there. That's why it's valuable to me. Email is great as well and it's been a lifesaver as a DUN modem for my macbook pro when I'm out and about Indianapolis here.

I just wish somebody could really make a revolutionary product, small like the TyTN however not as thick, and give it a higher res screen and a MUCH better interface for main GUI. I look at my TyTN screen, and then look at the iPod Touch screen and the difference is night and day.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] fordracerguy:
What made me ditch my windows based phone was the bugs as well. I would get multiple alarms waking me up. Calendar events would get shifted one day to one month off for no reason. Internet Explorer had really slow scrolling. I got an iPhone and love it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zephxiii:
funny you should mention the alarm issue, i've experienced that numerous times myself, it always boggles me.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] neo519:
I am absolutely with on you on this one. I went from Motorola, SE, Panasonic, and then S60v3 it blew my mind. I was lost first at how complex things were but things just worked the way it should. I used my E61 for 2 years and loved it, including the wifi which works the way it should work (You decide which internet source to use when you launch an application that uses internet). Also the E61 has 16Million colour screen as compared to 65k screens, I saw this when I compared with my HTC touch. The point of a smartphone is to be quick and simple yet have all that necessary options if you need it. I now understand the differences between s60v3 and WinMO, one does not need any tweaking because everything works, and the other is basically like a computer where you build on it to make it work the way you want (pretty cumbersome to go through so much steps to get one thing to work).

For the dude that wanted remote desktop? I use to have TSClient on my E61 (vnc & rdp), and it works beautifully. I was also able to get MS push email and blackberry working at the same time, along with my pop3/imap emails.

MS has to wake up and realize that the whole world is not full of techno geeks out there that like to "build" a phone. They need something to cater to regular users too and I hate to say it "flashy" (iphone).

When comparing the new s60 ui on the N82, its just so much simpler and faster than going through menus in Winmo. With my HTC touch I soft-reboot the phone everyday cuz it gets slow (and I have to rely on an app to clear my memory). I just got fed up one day, and just swapped back to my E61 for a few days, what a sigh of relief. My mp3 ringtone worked on my BT headset, which on Winmo only played the generic crappy ringer. I even considered selling my phone on craigslist, had the add typed up and everything. But I felt sorry for the WinMo device, like a bastard son, you dont want but you know he's good for something later on.

I'll keep my HTC touch for now just to play with the roms, but the nokia N-series is getting better. Nokia is not number 1 in the world for cellphones for nothing.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] GldRush98:
lol, this is SO true.

Yup, the Alarm feature in windows mobile / ce has NEVER ever worked right.

This glitch has been around for over 8 years now and Microsoft has still not ****ing fixed it.

It just shows you how much MS does NOT care about Windows Mobile and doesn't give a rat's ass about people who use it.

But this has always been MS's attitudes towards things. Basically, **** fixing broken features, just ADD MORE NEW features that won't work right either.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] noellenchris:
WOW......sounds like we need a counselor for WM anger control...lol

Cheer up...... it's not that bad..... without ever owning different devices, we'd never know what we like....or what's good etc.

Good luck to all.....hope everyone can find a phone that works for them....

WMRage........MadCow..no I mean MadWM etc...lol:D

Chris
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Khristopher:
I used my TyTN for about 4 months before getting my iPhone and recently switched back to my TyTN because I missed the real keyboard.

Honestly, I can't stand it anymore. My iPhone has completely spoiled me and I just can't tolerate all the quirks and such of WM. I didn't even use the TyTN for a full day before getting frustrated with it and going back to my iPhone.

Microsoft really needs to do something with WM as it's become stagnant and falling behind innovation wise.

I'm by no means an Apple fanboy (I own an iPhone and an iPod video), but at the same time, I can see the allure of expecting, and having things "just work". If WM could only "just work" it would be a lot more useful!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] cyberscribe:
I completely understand your frustration. You paid a lot of money for this thing and it should make your life easier not cause you grief and anxiety.

But really, you should simply talk to the provider and share your frustration with them. They may have a solution they can offer to keep you as a customer.

I mean what can you lose?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] irockash:
Just thought I would throw this in there: from my experience, only Nokia phones will do this, and it doesn't seem to be limited to S60. They also push audio through bluetooth, although it's only mono.

Bah! I thought I decided on getting a Tilt, but now I'm not so sure! I'll get one anyway, if anyone wants to buy it off of me, 450 - 500 usd brand new, I think they can unlock them on this forum now.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] GldRush98:
My provider is ATT... while I love their service here, I really can't stand talking with them. Every single shop I have gone to, not a single person in there can tall me anything about Windows Mobile phones aside from "you can make calls and stuff".

About a year ago I was looking for the GPS receiver for the 8525. 4 of the 5 places I went to had NO idea what it was, what I was talking about, or that it even existing. The final place I went to was a direct ATT outlet (not a subsidary) and I finally got someone who knew what it was and found one in the back for me. lol
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] C Brown:
I can admit that I do agree the fact that you have a device that runs smooth and stable but only for a week is irritating. I soft reset my device every night before I charge it. That helps a lot. I figure its not really an inconvenience if I'm going to sleep. I've always kept them overclocked slightly above the stock settings. I run only what I have to from the device. I just put schaps 4.30 on my device its stable and its okay but I think ill stick with my Shamanix Grass and add what I need. Thats the most stable and responsive set up I've had thus far. I rarely see and slowdowns. I have good battery life. So I think its up to us to find set ups that suit our needs and at the same time make compromises. We all know theres no perfect device.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] TBCompDesign:
As the "Data Guy" at an independently owned AT&T reseller, I know exactly what you mean. You either need to go to a Corporate store, and half the time you never get someone knowledgeable, or call around and find someone who can answer a few intermediate level questions about the thing. even something simple like "How much RAM does it have" to qualify a sales rep to go and see. don't be surprised if you have to travel far and wide in order to find the answers you are looking for.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] rugby:
This is pretty much a universal truth about any retail environment. Go to an Apple Store and ask about Final Cut Pro, or OS X Server. They will stare at you blankly. Why? Because the pay scale at an Apple store or ATT store doesn't scale up with your level of knowledge. If you know a lot, you still get paid the same amount as the person who doesn't know anything.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] C Brown:
It only gets better when I went to a at&t store to get a set of the headphones. They said they didn't carry them for the 8525 but only for the tilt/8925. I looked at him and said its the same set. He swore up and down. I said ill buy these and if you can prove to me they don't work then ill walk away with a useless pair of headphones. If you cant prove it I want my money refunded and I keep the headset. Well he made it half way through a Tupac song and was opening the register with quite a nasty look on his face. Gotta love it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] irockash:
WinMo Strikes again

Well after having an increase in the white screen frequency (and my tax retun coming in) I decided to buy a Tilt. I was looking at the Curve, but I couldn't get push email without paying 20 bucks more a month. And theres nothing else in ATT's lineup as powerful, so I jumped.

It sucks pretty much having the same phone (OS) but in the end, i'm happier with this, I guess.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] tonytr:
What causes my frustration

I thought I would add my $0.02 worth to the discussion.

What is really driving me crazy is not the phone, I have an 8525, but the seemingly random failures of Exchange Activesync as far as being able to sync my outlook email and especially calendar properly & completely.

This was the reason I switched to the 8525 from a Palm Treo 650. The very odd and maddening thing about EAS is that "sometimes" it works. I've been all through the various troubleshooting docs, spoken to my IT department, googled like crazy, and still there are times when "no" calendar entries made in Outlook2003 will be synced up with my 8525. That makes it practically worthless. My IT dept, btw, says "submit a req for a crackberry, we don't support anything else."

There, I've vented, I feel slightly better... :)

tonytr