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[Fire General] -Space-Madness-:
That's taking brand loyalty to a rather extremely militant level.. Could be because the dev simply enjoys getting the most out of a device... Could also simply be the fact that the product is pretty slow due to the obscene number of background tunning apps that decimate the processing speed of the device. I like Amazon. Don't get me wrong. But take into consideration the logic of making the device "amazon centric".. As you put it. They do this because it allows them to sell a product that uses higher end parts at a more affordable price yes? However, due to its " Amazonian centricities" the fact that it uses higher end parts becomes completely moot. For several factors.

*the higher end features are generally useless when the computing speed is consumed by a plethora of apps running in your background to monitor your every move.

*this is reduced further when restricted to a very, very limited app market that has minimal use.

* That's yet again taken a step further when a fair chunk of general uses for a mobile device (like YouTube for example) have also been severely restrained and limited.

These are only a few examples. My knowledge is admittedly limited, as I have literally had my kindle since yesterday afternoon. But these is the information I've collected the small number of hours I've used the device.
[Fire General] Robius:
From an enterprise corporation perspective, this screams multiple teams each working on and testing their set apps and not collaborating enough for final testing all apps together.

Yes it all ends up working in the end, but to the detriment of the original design with lots of feature creep and other business decisions that benefit the company.

Bloat.

All this tracking makes the company money, as data is the value of the cloud, not water/oil/electricity.

They'll even turn off the ads for you, just to keep you as a customer providing more data over time.

Cheap device for your privacy. Good deal?

Maybe not.
[Fire General] -Space-Madness-:
Agreed. I really wish I took a picture of the tickbox during activation that asked me if I allowed Amazon (not the tablet itself) to know my wifi router password. Red flag alert right? That's clearly an attempt to sink claws into all the wireless devices on the connection.

Certainly an eye opener.
[Fire General] DB126:
Lol - can see where this is headed. There's a business side and a technical component. Many XDAers think the latter leads the horse but of course the former is the real driver. When the device no longer supports sales objectives (directly or indirectly) Amazon will drop it in favor of something else. Really quite simple. Amazon should have made these gizmos little black boxes by obfuscating its Android roots.

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What?? This is getting better by the moment. Looking for my tin foil hat ...
[Fire General] -Space-Madness-:
Wasn't a stab at "OMG Big Brother!" stuff. More that it's pretty ridiculous for a company to ask you to share the password to your router with them. Unless that company is the provider ofc. There is absolutely no reason for them to want that information other than doing something sketchy. And that sketchy crappery is likely collecting more data and info from all devices on the connection. Not some big conspiracy . Just you know.. basic cut throat business stuff haha.

As to the reply directly above this one. I understand that the manufacturer needs to make money. That's fine and dandy, they can't produce a product without profit. But when that attempt to gain profit goes to such an extreme as to greatly reduce the results of said product for ther buyer? That's another ball park entirely. I mean, using the bulk of the CPU and memory to perfact advertising? That's a little much, and that's just that part. Removing all access to anything but Amazon stuff is very, very much too much as well.

As I said, I get they need to make money, but there are some things in the device that are pretty unneccessary.
[Fire General] DB126:
Amazon is not asking for your router access/admin password (lol) but rather credentials to the WiFi SSID of *your* choosing so the device can connect to the "Internet". The request is neither naferious nor inconsistent with virtually every other wireless consumer device that needs network access. Amazon is not in the business of compromising network security to "claw" information from hapless consumers.

Amazon may have opted for noob friendly wording that you are interpreting literally. Might want to pen them a suggestion; improvement opportunity.

As for hardware utilization, creating a walled garden and other 'extreemes' Amazon can do what ever they want. No one forced the purchase. Nor is it a prerequisite to using any Amazon product/service. Numerous alternatives exist in the market place. Amazon offers a 30 day no-questions-asked return policy along with a very liberal courtesy exchange policy while in warranty. Plenty of time for you to contemplate your mistake and take action on any regrets with minimal financial impact.
[Fire General] -Space-Madness-:
Heh.. didn't realize one would try to presumptuously belittle.. so , for the sake of clarification, I'll simplify to make sure my statement is understood.

You see, the black connect box that you use to connect to the great information sendy God in the sky.. you know, the one you get to by swiping down from the status bar? Yeah, not that one no. The tick box that I am referring to was during activation, after putting your magic sky box's name and password in. Was during the step with a series of tick boxes ranging from "Do you want Amazon to save your photos and videos into the cloud." Which for the life of me I do not understand not only why a rainforest would want this information, but also how they managed to fit it into a 7 inch plate.

Rapido update: A link referring to what I speak of-

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201730860

According to Amazon it's in case you decide to buy another product, so you can access the wifi without the strain of typing the router password in again. I can see this being slight,mildly handy with their phone. Or perhaps a tablet with paid data. Still sketchy regardless of their stated motives. Take that as a paranoid conspirist's mentality if you want.. I wouldn't trust giving a market with that.
[Fire General] DB126:
Cute. WiFi and router passwords are different things. The former permits a device to connect to an AP; the latter gives administrative access to the AP/router. Significant difference. Apple and Google also offer to store WiFi passwords in the 'cloud'. Nothing unusual about what Amazon is doing. As always the choice is yours.
[Fire General] -Space-Madness-:
I've never had anything that asks for my routers password beyond the phone. Then again I've also only ever used pay-as-you go phones. So maybe that's the reason. I wouldn't give the information to the carrier either. I still see it as a bit much. As I see how much of the tablets resources being used as a bit much as well.

I do agree that maybe they should at least inform that most of the ram and such will be used by the background apps.. let the buyer really know what they're going to get. It's a fair price for the product sure. From what I've read the device costs over a hundred dollars to produce, yet is sold at half it's price. A profit cut such as this is absolutely going to need to be compensated. But.. how will me having YouTube make me suddenly not want to pay for my prime membership to have two day shipping, and access to a random movie from time to time? How will having access to Google Play Store make me cancel it as well? These are highly unnecessary to IMO, as is the fact that there's so much in the background running to pump that data out, that the device lags, and takes quite a while to download an app.

It's not my internet connection. For example. Kik messenger downloads on my dirt cheap Kyocera Hydro Reach via WiFi in less than thirty seconds, yet takes ten+ minutes on the Kindle.. even longer had I kept Bluetooth on during the download (as to WHY it does this I have no idea.). But this conversation has turned away from the topic!

Kudos to your program, Savvy. And keep up the good work.
[Fire General] -BoneZ-:
Trying this now...
[Fire General] DB126:
You were not asked for your router's password as noted in several posts. But as you said this is going OT. Enjoy your device.
[Fire General] scoobdriver:
I now have a strange network issue, where most apps can see the internet , Chrome browser, email etc, However iPlayer, and the google search app do not and I get a network error.. does anybody have any ideas ?
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
Do the apps force close or display an actual error regarding the network/internet?
[Fire General] scoobdriver:
I can force close them , Iplayer displays a message saying iplayer is unavailable , Google does not show any notifications , 'Cant reach Google at the moment'

Hangouts, google photos , Google play store etc all function which is strange.. even gmail.

Iv'e removed the apps and re-installed with no difference
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
You got Gmail to work? How' you do that?

Try uninstalling the Google app via settings and reinstall from the Google Play store. I just had the same issue and I uninstalled via settings and reinstalled via the store and it fixed the issue. I would presume Google prefer you download it's main app from the store rather than an APK.
[Fire General] Gengis26:
Can you give me any information?

1) Should my tablet be switched on during the process?

2) Do I need to enable ADB drivers?

3) If I open the .bat file and select an option, it says that the tablet is offline (sorry for my english)
[Fire General] scoobdriver:
I fixed by factory reseting , And re-running the remove amazon apps script, however I removed the following lines, I had added which had been mentioned in an earlier post could be removed..

Quote"

You can also remove more apps... ex:

adb.exe uninstall -k --user 0 com.amazon.unifiedsharefacebook

adb.exe uninstall -k --user 0 com.amazon.cloud9.kids

adb.exe uninstall -k --user 0 com.amazon.webview.chromium

adb.exe uninstall -k --user 0 com.amazon.geo.client.maps

adb.exe uninstall -k --user 0 org.mopria.printplugin

adb.exe uninstall -k --user 0 com.amazon.ods.kindleconnect "

is there a sticky , Faq etc, that describes which each app does and any dependancies..(ive tried search) Some I can kind of work out , but things like com.amazon.webview.chromium I'm not sure ??
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
Uninstalling webview may cause some issues with some apps. You won't be able to read information for apps on Google play. Pandora wouldn't work either.

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Not sure why or how, but Gmail is working.
[Fire General] savvytechwinner:
Gmail works! all you have to do is download it from the Play Store
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
Well it works now lol. I had downloaded it from the play store a few resets ago and it was't working. So either they did an update which fixed the issue, or it was something on the tablet we either uninstalled or didn't. To be honest this one is a mystery to me.
[Fire General] DB126:
It was not working for many individuals bases on reports in the Play Store thread. Likely an update to Gmail and/or Google Play Services restored functionality. It wasn't just you. :)
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
Last update was August 1. So very possible. I hadn't tried it for quite a bit prior to that.
[Fire General] pjazz:
Very Lost

Can anyone help point me in the right direction?

I tried the utility, but got stuck "waiting for device". Then I tried to install drivers from Root Junky's Super Tool. There I also ran into issues. When selecting Device Manager -> Portable Devices -> Fire, I got the error "The folder you specified doesn't contain a compatible software driver for your device. If the folder contains a driver, make sure it is designed to work with Windows for x64-based systems."

Next, I installed drivers using the .exe file provided. I then tried to install fastboot, but there I run into the "waiting for device" issue again.

I'm not sure where I should go from here. Any help is very appreciated.

Thanks.
[Fire General] sinergine:
Enable debug mode...
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
Yes. Plug tablet into PC. To Enable debugging tap settings > device options > tap serial number 7 times to make sure developer mode enabled > tap developer options > enable ADB > when the pop-up comes up on tablet, check the box to remember then tap yes.

If that doesn't work, try changing the cable.
[Fire General] -iNSiGhT-:
Hi all,

Just got my Fire 8 HD today and it just passed through your tool.

All great !!! Thank you man !!

Only one thing (i could live with but) : is it possible to not have Fire launcher appearing briefly when hitting home button ?

Thanks again !

EDIT : Gmail is not working for me (Fire 8 HD 2017)
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
Go here. Make sure to have Nova installed, or your preferred launcher. You'll get kicked to lock screen if you swipe apps closed using the recents button (square button). There's a cheesy fix for it, so if you aren't bothered by it that's the best I've been able to do for now. https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=73308364&postcount=181
[Fire General] pjazz:
I tried all of those things. I think the issue is the PC. The only pop-up I get when I connect is that I am connected to a low power charger.

Windows 7 with only USB 2.0 ports if that makes a difference.
[Fire General] savvytechwinner:
That means you are using a CHARGE ONLY USB port basiclly you need a new cord also I don't think USB 2.0 works with this it migth I really don't know my point is if you can get your hands on a Windows 10 computer with USB 3 and above you are golden
[Fire General] DB126:
- almost certainly cable or Windows drivers

- Win 10 has a more robust suite of built-in drivers so connects more easly; however Win 7/8 will work fine with proper drivers pre-installed

- USB 2.x is fine; I often recommend over USB 3.x; device port is USB 2.x

- try swapping cables; often fixes connectivity issues

- also try a different USB port; avoid external hubs (powered or unpowered)
[Fire General] Turin_Turambar:
Ok, I tried this and it worked... but I think it removes a bit too much Amazon 'bloatware'.

It removed the Amazon store app!

I tried to install it again from Google Play store, and I couldn't. I tried Amazon Shopping and it says it isn't compatible with my device. I searched the apk but it fails at the end of installing. I found another version in the Play Store, Amazon for Tablets, it tries to install but it never appears.

How I can restore it, or install it in another way?
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
Without root, the only way to restore the 'uninstalled' APKs is to factory reset. Note that you can edit the .bat file to your liking to keep or remove what you desire. There is also a thread I made where you can manually 'uninstall' as well.
[Fire General] Turin_Turambar:
Mmm, then, I would do a factory reset, what parts of the bat file should I comment/remove?

Maybe this one is the store app?

adb\adb.exe uninstall -k --user 0 com.amazon.windowshop
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
That's up to you. Download Application Inspector from the play store, or an APK. That will list every package/app installed on your device. Tap the app and you will get your package name example: com.amazon.windowshop which will be listed right at the top.

Take that list and pick what you like or dislike and compare it to the tool's list and decide what is right for you.

I have yet to do so, but will try to today, to make a list of what I left installed on the tablet. Be advised though...don't uninstall any apps that relate to the actual function of the system, like webview for example. Amazon webview is required for some apps to function properly, including believe it or not, the play store. At least avoid the system function apps you aren't sure of or have no clue about. Because each time you make a mistake, you'll have to reset. Some of us have been through more resets than we can count, including myself.

Alsonsay you want a new camera app. Install the new camera and open the app before uninstalling Amazon's. That assures the new app is compatible and that it will assume the position as the new camera.
[Fire General] savvytechwinner:
Not unless you factory reset. Sorry.

Remove this line from the bat

'adb\adb.exe uninstall -k --user 0 com.amazon.venezia'
[Fire General] savvytechwinner:
com.amazon.windowshop is the Shopping App, Have fun
[Fire General] krsmit0:
Factory reset
[Fire General] nerdymurdy:
Thanks for this tool. I just got my Kindle Fire HD8 today, and though by the time I came across this handy utility I'd already installed gapps, launcher hijack, and Google Now Launcher (I'm not a fan of Nova), my patience with having my app drawer full of all that bloat quickly wore thin. I think the only thing I added was the removal of "Connect to Goodreads" ("Device Setup," com.amazon.kindle.otter.oobe), and I saved Amazon Video from the deletion list. So my continued sanity is entirely to your credit.
[Fire General] arex805:
Hi everyone, I'm new here as I recently started my adventure with Android tablets as they are so cheap right now.

Even though it's my first post here, I've been fallowing a few threads and trying to put everything together.

I really would like to thank EVERYONE here for sharing their ideas and tutorials for people who are too stupid (like me) to figure it all out on my their own.

Special thanks to fallowing contributors

DragonFire1024 for initial use bloatware removal commands on fire tablet

BaronKiko for LauncherHijack

savvytechwinner for this noob friendly .bat file

Davey126 as well as all above for their ideas and answering some noob questions

Now my fire7 and fire hd8 runs much faster with a normal launcher

Really hope root will be available at some point but I read it might not happen for fire 5.4

BTW fire hd8 on Amazon sale is one of the best new price/performance tablets IMHO. Bought it new for £50

also I took advice and bought used HDX7 3rd gen. Best used gadget I bought for only £20!! With a custom os it beats everything bought today in under £150 range.

Once again massive thanks to all of you contributors here.

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[Fire General] hmr1956:
Works great

Thank you, love this.

:good:
[Fire General] Jake1702_:
I only wish I could use the tool on Linux since my Windows partition is a bit... broken, at the moment.
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
What Linux OS are you using? I'm not sure it matters though. I'll have to look for the bookmark, but you can install ADB or a program that allows you to use it on Ubuntu. I was able to use the terminal on Ubuntu and the tablet hooked up just fine.

If you manage to get that done, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to manually uninstall apps. The code can be run through a terminal so long as it has the ADB SDK installed. You can look at this thread to get the manual instructions: https://xdaforums.com/hd8-hd10/general/root-required-remove-amazon-bloatware-t3636796
[Fire General] Jake1702_:
I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 but last time I tried to install adb on it I had no luck.
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
It will take me a while, but let me look around and see how I managed it. I'll reply in a bit regardless.
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
Try this. I am pretty sure this is how I got it working on my Ubuntu. I was on 17 something so I don't think the version matters too much. You can also try this (scroll to the top).

Are you using an actual Linux OS? In other words this is not on a virtual machine correct?
[Fire General] Jake1702_:
I'll try. No it's not a virtual machine.
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
Let us know how it goes :)
[Fire General] savvytechwinner:
Lol- mine is too. I would code for linux if I knew and like I said...

I don't want to.

Best of Luck with Windows
[Fire General] Jake1702_:
I'll just do it manually. I don't think I'll be wanting to use Windows for a long time to come since it keeps breaking
[Fire General] Nollog:
[delete_failed_internal_error]

I get this for almost every output.

It actually re-installs some apps on the tablet I've squirreled away in folders.

I'm running fire OS 5.4.0.1 did they patch it?
[Fire General] Jake1702_:
5.4.0.1 is a thing?
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
Yup. FireOS updated to 5.4.0.1 sometime in the last 12 or 24 hours. So it's possible they could've patched it. I would try running the commands manually and see what happens. With OTA presumably disabled, I am still on FireOS 5.4.0.0 build date May 31, 2017 and my "device has not yet checked for updates." Tapped 'check for updates' with the error "check for updates failed."

Check these items which will help in determining if you got or are getting OTA. You can use Droid Hardware Info or a like minded app to get most of this information.
[Fire General] Jake1702_:
Ahahahahaha great timing, I just blocked the ota updates with a firewall yesterday.
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
Be careful. My tablet updated to 5.4.0.0 while I had my firewall on. Suggest you disable OTA but uninstalling the appropriate Apps. NOTE: you can use those commands in an emulator if I am not mistaken. But do correct me if I am wrong.
[Fire General] Jake1702_:
Problem is I don't know the package names. Is there a way to find them?
[Fire General] mrmazak:
the tool has the files names isoated already, but you can find such files with a command like this , or similar

adb shell
pm list packages | grep ota
[Fire General] Jake1702_:
It went, as in installed. But I can't use it. Any time I execute an adb command it freezes the computer.
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
Or you can use App Inspector. It lists all installed packages. There are other similar apps. Saves the trouble of having too many windows open.
[Fire General] Jake1702_:
I'll look into those. Thanks.
[Fire General] DragonFire1024:
Sounds like you might have a bad partition somewhere or possible when you created the Ubuntu boot disk, you had a bad write to it. I would boot to windows and click start > all programs > accessories > system tools > disk cleanup. Make sure all boxes are checked unless they are important to you.

Then I would click start > all programs > accessories > system tools > disk defragment. This could take a while to complete depending on the last time it was done, if not automatically.

Last but not least, you should check your drive for errors. start > computer. Look on the left for computer and just under it right click 'local drive C' > properties > tools > error checking. This can also take a while.

If these aren't the issues or that doesn't fix them, maybe the version does matter, but I somehow doubt that highly since everything worked until you use it.

If none of those work, you can use your Windows recovery disk/cd to wipe that partition and allow Windows to reabsorb it. You'd have to start over, but at least you can go to the latest version of Ubuntu. Ubuntu although popular, has had some Windows issues lately, or were a few months ago when I installed it. I plan to get rid of it and got for another Linux OS because Ubuntu has a hard time reading hardware drivers. My problem with it: Everything works, except my internet. It won't read the Wifi drivers. They also forgot to add a grub that allowed you to duel boot. I had to spend two hours researching how to fix that.
[Fire General] Jake1702_:
I got it fixed anyway. Also, heads up, one of these apps (I assume Prime Photos) when uninstalled, breaks the screenshot function.
[Fire General] Robius:
which addresses did you block in the firewall?
[Fire General] Jake1702_:
I didn't block addresses, I blocked the apps.
[Fire General] DB126:
I have worked with 5 (correction...6) generations of Fire devices encompassing 3 generations of FireOS (v3-v5). Effectively blocking OTA updates involves one file:

DeviceSoftwareOTA.apk

I simply rename it if rooted. Otherwise, block network communications with a software firewall.

Going further is just asking for trouble.