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[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DragonFire1024:
1) if you install the play store, you can use almost every Google app available. Spoke like gmail may or may not Work. It seems to greatly vary from person to person. If you don't install the play store, to use 98% of Amazon apps, contacts included, you have to register with Amazon.

2) you won't be able to disable OTA without root i don't think. Made small discovery today that may change that but I won't know until I reflash. I'll post instructions later as this doesn't require any additional items or configuration. Your best bet is to install a no root firewall but that's not 100%. If you install one, I highly recommend going for a premium paid one, NetGuard. though It's still free, some advanced features cost a small donation of you don't want to purchase the app. It's highly customizable. One paid feature goes right down to blocking individual IP addresses apps try to access. https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] glasseye1:
I will install play store. It's Amazon I wish to avoid since their services in Canada are restricted.

My desire to limit OTA is only to preserve the play store capability in case Amazon kills that function in future. Otherwise, I'd have no problem running the latest software.

Thanks for your advice, DragonFire1024. Netguard will be a learning curve, but a welcome one.

The tablet is due here on Monday. I'm sure I'll have more questions. Your extensive contributions elsewhere on this forum are impressive and appreciated. :good: Thanks again.

Peter
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bhcompy:
Installed Adult Swim off the Play Store (again, not available on the Amazon Store) and the cable authorization won't function(just sits at the loading screen when attempting to get to the login screen for any cable provider). Don't have this issue with other apps that require cable authentication(FXNOW, HBO GO, etc), but perhaps there is some missing dependency? Thoughts? I followed the 4 apk install method to add Google Play Services, the Play Store, etc.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ryevick:
***Noob***... I picked up a Fire HD 10 64GB via the Black Friday deal at a great price. I have already installed Google Play Store and several apps. The only thing that annoys me so far is the Navigation Tabs of the OS. If I could just get rid of that I'd be fine. I have my Home screen organized just the way I want it with the apps and folders but I suppose I'll try and root it. I haven't used the Nova Launcher before, I guess that's what you have to do if you want a different GUI or Screen layout??? I don't know. My Fire OS says the build date is 11-12-18 running OS 5.3.6.4 (626533320), it also shows it checked for an update on 12-5-18. That seems odd to me because most everyone else including the tutorial video shows OS 5.6 and that was posted 1-2018. That doesn't make sense.

I need some advice. Thanks in advance!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] llsektorll:
Why is there no rom scene for his device? Is bootloader locked or something?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ryevick:
Any help is appreciated, waiting.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] acehighdan:
Alexa + Showmode Fire HD 10 (2017)

So i have 2 x Amazon Fire HD 10 (2017) "KFSUWI" Tablets

I live in Canada so alexa is disabled.

in fact its so disabled that i have more functionality with alexa on my OnePlus 5T.

I would like to know if there is any way for me to fully enable

Alexa with show mode (alexa hands free) on my tablets.

Both Tablets are running Fire OS 5.6.1.0

Both Tablets are successfully Rooted.

My Goal: To be able to just speak to alexa even with the screen off

just like my USA Fire HD 10 (2017) Counterparts.

Albeit with likely less functionality, but at least the hands free talking anyway.

Thanks

Dan

BC, Canada
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ryevick:
2 questions.

What does KFSUWI stand for? I see it mentioned a lot but don't know what it means.

Do I have to Root my tablet to use the launchhijacker?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DragonFire1024:
It's the amazon product id. You do NOT need root for highjacker.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jcursiolf:
Does anybody have the original Amazon Store app (not the Amazon App Store) from the Fire 10 HD?

I accidentally lost it because of Google Play Store auto update feature. Now the one from Google Play Store does not work.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pettigrew95:
DELETE
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tonylwat3:
So I am having issues..I couldn't start new qeustion. What do I do if I have updated Alexa through Google play. I can not uninstall as it's a system app.

Warning to the wise make sure not to cross install apps or cross updating apps. And make sure that you disable automatic updates on both Google and Amazon. For those of you having trouble installing Google play I used the 2017 method. When downloading or Google play make sure you download the latest version. Google play services and Google framework make sure that both of the match and go no higher than Android 6.0+. 7.12 Varaint (0) . Had great luck with latest version compatible. Also reboot after enabling 3rd party sources. Remember disable after done.

I hate ? os. Any ideas how to replace? .....love the tablet.... Would love to root but worried about bricking. I've tried the hijacking method. It messed up my Google account after reboot, and there was a noticable delay in switching to home and fire still showed briefly. Thank you so much for all your help.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dr Zoidberg:
If you update the Amazon app from the Play store and it stops working, delete the app and install this one:

https://www.apkmonk.com/app/com.amazon.windowshop/
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wings516:
Currently rooted running SU. Has there been any headway using Magisk for the Fire HD 10 yet? I can only find old info from summer 2018. Root hide works fine, but obviously, the goal is safety net which nothing fixes besides magisk.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DragonFire1024:
Without an unlocked bootloader, no magisk.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yourrealking:
Two simple questions regarding HD 10 and Google Play

I don't want many apps, but I want YouTube (must) and a few Google apps such as Chrome/Google Search (if possible). After reading posts/watching YouTube instructions, it seems that I cannot just flash OpenGapps, but I need to install some APK files.

The questions are,

(1) Does it require root? Posts/videos did not mention rooting. If it does not, how can the PlayStore as a non-privileged app, generic app, can install/update other apps?

(2) What happens if I install Amazon updates? I don't need any Amazon features, but they may contain security fixes, so I would like to install them. But does it remove all Google stuff to install Amazon updates?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DB126:
1) Root not required; Play Store does not install "privileged" apps; it has the same capabilities as 'sideloading' which can be performed on any Android based device regardless of root status (as an aside, I do not have the Play Store installed on my unrooted Fire gizmos; simply sideload what I need).

2) Most Amazon updates do not remove 3rd party components but may break their functionality.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yourrealking:
I did not mean that Play Store installs privileged apps, but I meant that it probably needs privileged features to scan apps and install/remove updates silently. So, I assumed that, on normal Android devices, Play Store has higher privileges as a system app. I know there are some permissions that only system apps can get.

I almost never use Play Store to browse and install new apps nowadays (I did so in the early days of Android, but now I have figured out that I do not need apps other than a few), so I may not need Play Store installed for that purpose, but don't you need it to update apps automatically? Or do you install all updates manually using APK? Apps like YouTube constantly get updates, and as the nature of a client app, old versions may not work, so I need to keep them up to date.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DB126:
Nope - Play Store has no special privileges. Just another app.

However - YouTube app (and Play Store) require Play Services so you might as well install that resource pig. I typically consume YouTube content via browser which is satisfactory experience.

Don't get me wrong - I'm no Google hater. But FireOS is not optimized for GPS which leads to various annoyances that spoil the UX.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DragonFire1024:
Actually it's not GPS related at all. Amazon removed the value 'com.google.android.gms' from the frameworks location package providers. Install play store apps. use silk to navigate to Google.com and scroll to bottom, you will see location, blue is active. Make sure location services is on. Download Google maps, open the app, tap the dot for your location. If not blue, tap share location. Wait a few seconds. Dot will turn blue.

Sometimes you can turn off location, reboot, make sure it's still off. Open Google app. Navigate to Google.com. scroll to bottom and tap location or update. Tap yes and or confirm for all pop ups.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yourrealking:
How trustworthy is the Amazon AppStore?

I knew that there was no official YouTube app there, but for the heck of it, I searched it for YouTube. There were many results, and the first app was developed by "YOUTUBE.COM". When I clicked the developer information tab, it only said that and nothing more.

The app was a dummy app that had a web browser control that just shows https://m.youtube.com. Anyways, given the fact that Google hates Amazon. I am quite sure that the app was not developed by YOUTUBE.COM, i.e., Google. Can developers just use any name in Amazon AppStore? Because, there is an impersonation rule in Google PlayStore. If I used that name as my developer name, I would get policy strikes and eventually banned from the Store. Does Amazon do such validation? I mean, what if I used a developer name like "Microsoft.com" and uploaded a text editor app like "Words"?

In short, does Amazon check/scan the apps and the descriptions for security as Google does?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DB126:
Supposedly - but it is obviously imperfect and not a displicined as Apple and Google equivalents. I source all my sideloaded apps from APKMirror or XDA. Been years since I browsed or installed anything from Amazon's store.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DB126:
Are you saying the official Youtube app does not require Google Play Services? That has not been my experience.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DragonFire1024:
I am not saying that. I wish it were that easy. Sorry I didn't mean to imply that.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yourrealking:
I had given up and installed Google Play as the instructions on the web. My guess is, that Fire OS already has some residual Play Service components in it. Otherwise, the Play Service/Store would not be able to some of the tasks as user-installed app. For example, the Play Service was not even removable once installed.

Anyways, most of the things work well, but I have two problems with Gboard. If someone knows anyways to fix these, please let me know.

1) Red underline for every word. The system language is English, and I am typing with the English keyboard. But somehow, the system thinks all words are misspelt. On my other Android devices, only misspelt words get a red underline, but on Fire, almost all words get a red underline.

2) Japanese not working. I have added the Japanese keyboard, but it does not show any conversion candidates, and when I first switched to the Japanese keyboard, it shows a toast that says the Japanese language pack has not been downgraded yet. But how to download the language pack?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DragonFire1024:
Well if all goes well, we'll be unlocking these tablets in the next few days.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yourrealking:
You mean, if it all goes well, we will be able to get rid of the Fire OS, and install a real Android (custom ROM), in a few months?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yourrealking:
Please ignore the first issue of my previous question. A few hours ago, there was an update to Gboard, and by some amazing coincidence, the problem is now gone. The second problem regarding the Japanese keyboard still persists, though.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TexD:
Hello, could anyone please confirm if the Amazon fire HD 8 (7th gen) 2017 will receive an Android Nougat (7.1 ?) update?

Thank you
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DB126:
Unlikely. Amazon tried that with 4th gen HDX (Android 4.4->5.1); it was a mess. Everything after has been confined to the major version of Android it shipped with. Makes sense from an Amazon feature/functionality perspective. Not that much difference between FireOS 5.x and 6.x.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TexD:
Thank you, i asked because if I'm not mistaken, Fire HD 8 7th and 8th gen should have the same hardware apart the camera
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DB126:
There may be subtle component/soc differences but probably no disqualifiers. Bigger issue is pulling off such a massive change via OTA update. Even a 1% defect rate generates a lot of calls. To what benefit given the primary purpose of this gizmo (Amazon ecosystem/shopping portal)?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tek3195:
HD8 7th gen black screen after "successful" update

Hi, I'm a bit baffled here. I reflashed hd8 2017 with 5.4.0 and it will not power on now. It belonged to my wife and was getting buggy with a lot of sporadic lagginess. I had stopped, blocked and or removed all things Amazon that I could last year and installed all of her google apps without any issues. Bought her a new Lenovo Tab4 10" and was planning on flashing this one back to stock and getting a fresh start. Was considering hardware mod for root access but after update was "successful" I hit the power button to reboot and that was the last time I saw anything on the screen. It was running 5.4.0 before so not a downgrade issue. Recovery claimed the update was a success and I haven't seen it since. Any thoughts or ideas on what I may be dealing with ? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DB126:
Likely the update failed (obviously) and somehow borked the bootloader. This is symptomatic of using the wrong .bin file, ie: one lower than 5.4. regardless, if you can't get to stock recovery the only path to a working device is the recently discovered hardware mod. Sorry for the bad news.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tek3195:
Well that sucks in its own special way then doesn't it? I downloaded the .bin from a thread here in the forums and numbers looked right it was 5.4. I guess the borking would cause recovery to print success when obviously not so successful, huh? Oh well, I would throw it in the damn garbage but now it seems to have presented a challenge. That must not be allowed. I'm off to study up on the hardware mod. Thanks for the help, man. Appreciate it.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TexD:
I have "disabled "all background processes via developer options(background process limit--> no background processes) on a Fire HD 8 7th gen , I can't tell if battery life is better compared to "standard" option, does it make any difference? Do some processes auto-reactivate even after you have "disabled" them?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DB126:
Likely won't help battery life (obviously process dependent) and may have the opposite effect as continously reloading/reinitializing processes is resource intensive. The option you reference does not kill processes, it simply prevents them from remaining in the background which is harmless if the process is 'idle'.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yourrealking:
How to remove a Google account?

I have added two accounts, and I want to remove one of them. I have not found a way to do so. Settings does not have the necessary screen, removing from the Google Settings just added an unremovable "Account action required" notification that asks me to sign in again with that account, deleting the data of Google Play Services did not work either.

Can I delete an account, without resetting the device or rooting the the device?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DragonFire1024:
You have to go into your account through the web and go to device security section. It will list any device, and if you reflash a lot, there will be a lot. Find the device, tap it and remove it's account access. You might have to do this several times if you've a lot of devices listed, even if it's the same one over and over.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuyInDogSuit:
Any news on this?

Also, what benefit is there to installing Xposed on this?

And why can't I reinstall the Prime Video or Kindle apps? There's no error, it just won't install. Tried from the Play Store and I tried sideloading them.

And signing in on the device doesn't seem to work. It just says "Device registered," but when I go back and into that menu again, it asks me to sign in again.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyl4rk:
I have installed Google Play using the four apk's method and also installed Chrome. I am not able to log in to google, I get a message to log in in Settings but can't find where to log in. Fire HD 10, rooted.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NFSP G35:
[MENTION=4267571]sd_shadow[/MENTION], please update the first post. There are root methods, both hardware and software, as well as a way to block OTA even without root.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sc4r3Crow:
Hey guys,

I have a Fire HD 10 (OS 5.6.3.4 - 626533320) with Play Store installed. I also play some games on this tablet. Everything is fine except graphics scale of Dominations, map is shown to big and I can't zoom out - only zoom in possible.

Is there a way to manually adjust scale/resolution for certain apps respectively games without root?

Thanks in advance...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DragonFire1024:
You'd have to learn how to use apktool then learn how to alter the files to do just that. It's not as easy as you'd think. So yes there is a way, but it took me months to crack it and countless reflashes to get it right. Even then you are still limited to the extent of the apks resources.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sc4r3Crow:
Thanks for the reply.

Will these apps/games still be "official" so that I can update them via Play Store?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 5h1v4u:
Is there a ringtone for audio calls on HD 10?

Hi, I've whatsapp installed on fire hd 10 (7th Gen). I can hear the notification sounds when I receive a message but no ringtone (it's just silent) when receiving audio/video calls. No problem playing mp3 or videos. Default ringtone option on whatsapp shows as unknown ringtone and doesn't make a sound when selected. Any help?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tek3195:
I deleted my navbar.

I goofed up while removing amazon apps from KFDOWI. I've lost my navbar so it's rather difficult to search for the backup on the device. I backed up all removed apps but batch removal wasn't my brightest move (at least not LARGE batches). Will someone let me know which amazon.apk contains navigation bar, I really don't want to reinstall 50 apps to find it. Thanks.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DragonFire1024:
That's a good question. I haven't figured it out yet. I assumed it was in the framework and systemui. I guess not. If you figure it out, please let us know. That would be a huge thing because then I can probably activate the stock Android nav bar.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Htc Pirate:
I was trying to root my Kindle Fire HD 10 (2017) using SuperSu but it didn't work. Then I tried Kingroot and I think it worked. After that, I used Xposed to get rid of the stock launcher and replaced it with another launcher and it was working fine. But then I restarted the tablet and it has been stuck ever since. Basically when I power on the tablet now, I first see the white/silverish Amazon logo followed by the animated orange 'fire' logo. I tried to get into recovery (by pressing power and volume up together) but that didn't work either as I still get the white Amazon logo followed by the orange 'fire' logo.

What am I doing wrong here? Is the device permanently bricked? :/
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DragonFire1024:
Power off by holding down power for at least 20 seconds after the screen goes off then release. Then Hold down the volume up button, then power and keep both held down and when you see the white amazon logo, release both buttons.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Htc Pirate:
Thanks, this worked. Managed to get it working on Fire OS 5.3.6.4

What's the best way to properly root it now and get rid of the bloatware? I want to remove the launcher and useless apps.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuyInDogSuit:
I can't enable write permission on my SD card because of that stupid "parental controls" error. How do I do this? There no listing for this in the activity launcher.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DragonFire1024:
This may help https://xdaforums.com/hd8-hd10/help/root-real-allow-apps-to-write-to-t3898884

Also may consider using apps2sd. It does a lot more than just putting your apps on external storage.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuyInDogSuit:
Any reason why I absolutely cannot install Amazon apps? I would have liked to keep Prime Video and such.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DragonFire1024:
You will have to delete them and either sideload them from APK Mirror, or install from the play store. May need to make them system apps again if root. You just can't cross install apps. It's either from the play store or app store. Not both.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuyInDogSuit:
I'm not using the Amazon App Store. I can't install from Play Store or sideloading, at all. The apps aren't even installed to begin with, they were removed by the debloater.

EDIT: I might add that I've already cleared the data left behind by the removed apps using app2sd.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DragonFire1024:
Using a sdcard? Also go to emulated/0/Android/data and delete any data folders for uninstalled apps. It could be something in a config XML. I have an idea to change the device_owner.xml. that might help. Just change the info to I think com.google.android.gms?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuyInDogSuit:
Yeah, I've got an external SD card installed. I'll try that, see what goes. Not sure about the config bit though.

EDIT: There's no residual files left behind.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DragonFire1024:
Do you still have the parental control apps installed? They shouldn't get uninstalled, but disabled and frozen. Because one of them is set as administrator. The only way to undo that is to customize the file at /data/system/device_owner.xml to cater to google gms. I was using the account manager. Then remove the parental app as admin, clear data's of the apps, and disable and freeze them. Or install icebox apps freezer, clear the values in the file, save it and try to set it as device owner.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuyInDogSuit:
What do I set the component as?

I'm not even sure what you mean by the last part. Clear values in what file? Set what as device owner, how?