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[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] :
I don't understand hate for such marvelous phone in this thread. I know everyone has their own opinion and i truly respect that. I think LG should ask each person what they want and add features accordingly. Is it really feasible? Phones are made for masses not for few people. I don't care about wireless charging so it doesn't mean that I should hate G6 or V30 for having wireless charging feature. You need to think in mature and sane manner. There are many people around the world who can't leave without wireless charging. Same thing applies for waterproofing. I think there are billions and billions of people who wants their phone to be waterproof. Many people even carry their phone on beach plus there is also rainy season in many countries. In order to add both these features LG has to get rid of removable battery option. Atleast those few minorities who wants removable back option can use Powerbank. However the Majority consumer who wants wireless charging and waterproofing don't have any alternative solution. So they buy phone which has those features. Another thing that I wanna add is I am a kinda person who will never buy a phone without audio enhancement, that is the reason I am least interested in buying Samsung phone. I also understand that I come under minority cause most people don't care about Audio. You know why because Apple, Google and Samsung phones are top selling in market. All these company phones are nothing compared to LG, HTC and Sony smartphone when it comes to Audio capabilities. LG V20 and G6 price drop like a huge sudden sensex fall. I am more than 100% sure that LG V30 will be a huge success. Chill out guys!
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] joeygee23:
600MHz band 71 on T-Mobile sealed the deal for me. Easy root, unlocked bootloaders, TWRP & ROMs....time to let go... just like the removable battery. Times have changed.

It was fun while it lasted.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] Moon75:
LG phones are ok I think v30 is good more compact we have to adapt with the change thats how it is. After all we use phone to make call and few other stuff these days, relax and be happy any phone G2, G3, v20 or Htc, Sony or other is good its up to you.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] ttabbal:
My thought on the V30 was to buy a V20. :)

As for "times have changed", maybe. But to me it's more than convenience. It's a question of ownership. If the owner of the device is me, and since I paid for it I believe that I am, than to truly own it I must be able to run whatever software I wish on it. And it's not a grey area. I own it or I don't. If I don't, then I'm sure as hell not giving someone else $1000 for it. If I buy a computer, the manufacturer of the computer doesn't get to tell me what software I can run. This isn't any different, outside of the modem firmware. To use the perennial car analogy, if I buy a Ford, they can't force me to use Ford gas.

After having a non-removable battery start failing, I don't want another one. It's a part that you know, 100% will fail. And these days, the hardware is likely still relevant. So now I have a device with a failing battery that works fine and could keep working fine for a significant time. But to keep it going I have to break out a heat gun and pry the case apart. And hope I don't damage something else in the process. Not to mention, since they aren't considered user replaceable, the OEMs often don't make replacement parts available. So you're stuck with grey market cells you can't know aren't going to have a problem. I can see why the manufacturer benefits, but I don't see any benefit for me.

600Mhz, meh.. If Band 12 is any indication, it will be a couple years before TMobile bothers to light up my area. By then, I'll likely be considering replacing my device again anyway. And even if they did it tomorrow, I get plenty of speed and coverage on the existing network.

Obviously, everyone has their own needs and priorities.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] vvhiterice:
Samsung s5 had wireless charging and IP67
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] RojasTKD:
And early active models had waterproofinf and a removable batter, but it is easier too design a waterproof device without a removable batter.

More importantly I think the loss of these features has more to do with the marked demand for a certain aesthetically appealing design. Basically the masses want a pretty looking modern glass smartphone, it desires form over function. LG is just giving the market what it desires to sell more unites, you can't really blame them.

I'm just glad they giving me the core components I want (Quad DAC, great camera and video features) even if I'm loosing some of the features I like (removable battery, IR blaster). At least we are getting water proofing, wireless charging and a bigger screen in s sleeker smaller body for the sacrifice.

I hope they succeed and sell a lot of unites so we can keep getting V series phones in the future.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Agreed! Great thought. This is what we called sensible thinking. Many of this guy's don't even know the benefit of snapdragon 835 processor and Amoled Screen. They are using generations old phone and saying it is better than latest technology phone. Performance difference between LG V20 and OP5 is day and night. I am a power user. I play lots of High graphically intense game. Charge my phone 3 to 4 times a day. I open multiple apps at same time. I use word, spreedsheets and edit Videos on mobile. Play songs in background. V20 hangs several time while doing such task due to high Ram usage. Also get warm which contribute to slowness. I have to turn on my AC to minimize the slowness. HTC 10 was nearly stock and memory management was Amazing. However since it was having 820 processor it used to get really warm. I also think LCD screen contributed to lag, so I used to keep it at 35-50 brightness on both LG V20 and HTC 10. Both HTC 10 and LG V20 get hot while charging. I never had such problem with OP5. Op5 biggest disadvantage is camera and lack of important features. I still find V20 better than HTC 10 and Op5. Sometimes you gotta adjust and think in logical way instead of complaining all the time. LG V30 is beautiful looking premium phone unlike V20. LG V30 totally checks all the right boxes. It has all the good features from various phone for eg premium looking like HTC 10, small form factor with Amoled screen like Samsung S8 etc while enhancing exclusive V series features such as wide angle dual camera, Audio recording and Quad DAC. That is what we want when we spend so much money on something. Peace.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] mingkee:
It will be ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO ROOT like G6.

No fastboot command = no custom recovery = no root.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] evo4g63t:
I really doubt the v30 is going to be unrootable...yes every generation of phone has been getting progressively harder to root but if a phone has enough support there will be enough developers that will work on rooting the "unrootable".

I don't know I understand LG is in the business to sell phones I totally get that but as someone in his 30s where he was part of the generation that got devices that were packed with features (looks be damned) I am a little hurt LG is becoming another face in the crowd.

The v30 is still v series at heart, looks to have a exceptional camera, software based "second screen" and most of all the Quad DAC with enhancements.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] melihcarter:
So friends, I know that all the units have been pre release devices but what's with the front facing camera? Image quality is unacceptable for any lg phone let alone v series phone. That's my only disappointment I guess. Also ois doesn't seem to be very good either but that can be fixed with an update. Though there's nothing to do about front of facing camera [emoji53]
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] @rbiter:
Why seal the phone with a battery and make it a very expensive but still disposable device. There are cases, designs and services that can get your phone waterproofed. If I'm in water or sitting a few inches above it I don't need waterproofing. I just don't use my phone and focus on the activity at hand whether swimming, fishing or defecating. Sealing batteries in phones so people have to buy a new phone because they dropped it in poopoo water is non sense. The V30 romance is over for me. And I have to wait several months if not a model year to get the note8 at a much palatable price. Not paying $1000 USD for a phone with a sealed battery. Don't know if the Red phone has a swappable battery but the $1200 entry price looks more appetizing if it does swap. Anybody want to sell an F model of the note8 for $600 USD?

Sent from my LGV20 using yo Mama's unlocked bootloader.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] 2muchspl:
Though Im thirsty to give the 835 a spin, this is my first LG phone and it's been fun,esp rooting it. But the future of the V30 might not be in my future. It seems its mimicking other phones as others has pointed out and Im questioning the release day value vs waiting 7 months or so. The price would be my only sway and it would have to be near the $600 mark or I might as well go back to Samsung (if my money begins to burn a hole in my pocket).
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] zeruth:
Yeah it'd be cool, but LG <-> TMO communication is awful, and they will find a way to piss every one of us off.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] CHH2:
After watching a few videos for the V30, I'm really excited about it. A couple of question marks for me are figuring out the actual camera modules so I can see if they're physically the same size or different sizes like the V20. (The wide angle is physically smaller which is partly why it is so much noisier than the regular one.) Looks and sounds like they made some improvements in the photo/video category though.

The other question will be which tests it passed and which tests it failed for the military durability tests. It failed enough of them to make me question the durability claim and wonder what kind of case I need to get for it.

I've only used the IR blaster on my V20 a couple of times out of novelty. I have a spare battery for my phone with charging cradle but I rarely remember that I have the spare battery and often act like the one in the phone is all I have. So I won't really miss that. (Plus, I have two external battery packs already due to previous phones.) My other problem with the V20 spare battery charging cradle is that it is fidgety as to what charger will actually work with it. My preference is to carry only one charger for all of my USB-C devices. In this case, it would be my Chromebook so that's what I carry. It doesn't work with the cradle. So I'm not losing anything as far as removable batteries go. I will miss the second screen. I actually used that a lot.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcsww:
The two biggest disappointments for me are only 4GB of RAM and no IR blaster. For those who own a V20, there is very little reason to upgrade at all.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] mingkee:
After V20, I will go strictly on unlocked models.

Probably Sony (more developer friendly)
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] RojasTKD:
They two cameras will be different as with all current dual camera devices.

Main: 16 MP (f/1.6, OIS, 3-axis, laser & phase detection autofocus)

Wide angle: 13 MP (f/1.9, no AF), LED flash

Still, that wide angle is an improvement over the V20. From the samples you can see it pics that are a little less wide then the V20, but also with less edge distortion.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] nerys71:
2 years my ass. I am looking to replace stock batteries in 14-18 months. tops. I was super stoked for the V30. its not even an option now. I could never buy the V30 (ok for $100 I would buy it) without a removable battery its a disposable paper weight. I have my zero lemon on my V20 and I freaking love it. I will never go back. it would have to be stupid cheap for me to do it. disposable phone disposable price.

and I use my ir blaster DAILY.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] CHH2:
The specs you're quoting I'm already very well aware of. It's the physical size of the sensor which interests me most at this point and the info I've found so far is a bit disappointing. The main imaging sensor is supposedly the same as the front facing one from the HTC U11 and main sensor for the Asus ZenFone 4 Selfie Pro? A Sony IMX351. (The wide angle sensor is only described as a smaller Samsung sensor.) This sensor is physically smaller than usual main imaging sensors. This plus the upping of the pixel count makes me a little curious as to how it's doing so well in initial reviews. With the wide angle being a smaller sensor and also increased pixel count, I am again curious about this increase in imaging quality. I think I might not pre-order this time around and might see if I can't somehow get my hands on a test unit first. A bit too much head scratching this time around for my tastes.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] chriskwarren:
Water resistance is not a gimmick though. I am out hiking with my dog or at the park daily in all kinds of weather. Having my phone out in the rain when waiting for fellow hikers to message me is invaluable. Travelling this summer I was able to use my phone to look up a restaurant in the rain without worry. I used to make a removable battery a must-have, but if I can get better water resistance that works for me.

Unfortunate that they removed the IR blaster. A media device phone that has the ability to control all your media devices in your lounge is a good way to differentiate.

V30 looks like a solid phone, as long as the screen is acceptable. I'll probably be getting one, and I think this will be a hit as long as LG can deliver stock.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] railshot:
I am switching carriers and had to get a new device. So to replace my 7 months old V20, I just bought a .... V20. I don't consider it a perfect phone. I would have preferred an AMOLED screen and Wireless charging. But the latest flock of "form over function" apple wannabe phones including V30 are a downgrade in features for me compared to V20. And for $300 for a new/open box phone is still a great deal. I'll hang on to v20 until it either becomes completely obsolete, or phone makers release something that appeals to a power user. With replaceable batteries, I can wait awhile.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Removable battery is really a good option to have... Samsung got rid of it long time back. Now LG.. Rip.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] @rbiter:
Anybody wondering how the value and utility of a phone went down with sealed batteries and now the OEMs are upping the prices dramatically?

Sent from my LGV20 using yo Mama's unlocked bootloader.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] chriskwarren:
Removable battery used to be a must-have for me but not anymore as I gave up on it as a feature that manufs were going to have moving forward.

Any phones being released this year that have it as a feature?
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] @rbiter:
I'm sticking to the V20 for awhile. Have a Moto x pure for backup. Might get the note 8 if I can find an F model for a great price.

Sent from my LGV20 using yo Mama's unlocked bootloader.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] TheoThorpe5:
I upgraded to a V20 Dual SIM (H990DS) as my first ever LG smartphone. I am never buying an LG phone again. Only reason why I upgraded was because my rooted Samsung Galaxy Note 3 experienced hardware failure on the voltage regulator that sends power to charge the battery. Battery was good, and tried another spare battery that I used regularly with it. Would not charge either of them. The LG phone is cool yes, but LG refuses to unlock bootloader on their international models including the Dual SIM H990DS to make it easier to root. I simply have to have root in order to modify iptables so I can tether without paying my carrier for it.

The LG V30 looks pretty cool, but that is also its downfall. It looks too good to even touch and too fragile to drop. No removable battery is also a deal breaker for most people. Hopefully they did keep the microSD card slot, as most flagships these days don't even have that, which was a big deterrence from the OnePlus 3T I was originally going to buy. No LG for me anymore besides the V20. Back to the drawing board for a rootable phone.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] sobriquet506:
My thoughts on the V30 are very simple:

LG couldn't pay me enough to replace my V20 with that pile of hot garbage, and it makes me much less likely to even consider LG phones in the future.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] CHH2:
A) What makes the V30 a pile of hot garbage for you?

B) Exactly what other model out there doesn't fall into category A? You know, since pretty much every single flagship phone out there is now the same design. I'm curious as to where all of these people who don't like the changes made from the V20 to V30 are going to run to.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] melihcarter:
Don't like it as you want but calling a gorgeous device with high end specs "hot pile of garbage" is just too much.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] BigMosley:
I was in my local Best Buy and wanted to compare it to my Note8 and my Best Buy didn't even have a store demo model. I found that awkward seeing how the phone is to be available this week. The store employee told me to go to a carrier store to look at it....
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] sobriquet506:
I think you know exactly what: the removal of key features from the V series, esp. the removable battery. The thread asks for my opinion, and the changes made render my interest in replacing my current phone with a V30 exactly equivalent to replacing it with a hot pile of garbage: I just wont do it, whatever the apologists and hipsters think of the aesthetics.

You're right, lots of shortsighted people saying "hey, but it's pretty, just go with it" have emboldened OEMs to shameless heights of regressive profiteering. Me, I'll stick with the V20 for at least 4-5 years given the lack of an attractive alternative, then move away from the flagships to something mid-grade with a removable battery, or just the cheapest thing that will get me OpenStreetMaps and basic comms. My laptop's always with me anyway, and with a wireless chip it certainly becomes my preferred driver for internet and communication if the insouciant masses really manage to impulse-buy us out of phone options other than $1000 sealed bricks designed to last ~ 12 months.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] CHH2:
Which is probably going to be your best bet. With the V20, the best bet to see one first was to go to an AT&T store. Not sure who it would be for the V30 but yes, Best Buy would be the last place to look.

That's what I figured. Well, enjoy your V20 for the rest of your life. I suspect removable batteries are dead now. IR blasters are dead too.

As long as svelte devices that hit a certain IPXX rating are what people clamor for (And by what I've seen in every single video and print review for over a year now, that's everyone. Even the ones who want removable batteries.), we will forever see sealed units with batteries that the end user cannot replace. Using built in batteries, they can make a device smaller/thinner then seal it up for the IP rating. A battery the user can remove by design has to be bulkier which either makes the phone bulkier or they have to make the battery smaller and everyone raises holy hell that it doesn't somehow violate physics and have days of SoT but in a small form factor. And wow did people raise a stink that the V20 only had a 3200mah battery.

And I know you didn't mention it but I've seen it as the other groaning point but the IR blaster is probably dead too. I'm not exactly the most up on home theater tech but even I have zero items that use IR anymore. IR is going the way of the dinosaur.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Agreed:svetius: I have used phone like OnePlus 5 and HTC 10. I can honestly survive with a phone which doesn't have removable battery. As i always said something to lose but so many great things to gain. Water proofing, wireless charging, better wifi speed and network speed(Very important) Bigger display yet convenient to carry(unique technology advancement) I am using smartphone so that i can be connected with my family and friends without any issues. Also enjoy watching movies, playing games, completing work related productive assignment and projects without worrying about any problems. LG V30 is a huge upgrade over LG V20 and G6. If you really wanna know, what modern smartphone can do then try OnePlus 5. HTC 10 is the most beautiful looking phone. I can't say same thing about LG V20. Samsung learn their lesson long time back and got rid of ugly looking removable back phones. Today they are successful. Now LG is moving in right direction. I wish LG V30 change their fortune and make LG as successful as Apple and Samsung.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] @rbiter:
Yeah, like so many phones are thinner because the battery is sealed. Let's start charging outrageous prices on our flagships because the phones are .2mm thinner but you can take selfies in the shower now. Damn, my eyes just rolled out of my head.

Sent from my LGV20 using yo Mama's unlocked bootloader.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] CHH2:
Back in my day, our eyes had to roll uphill, both ways, in the snow. Fact is, removable batteries are probably dead. I don't see them coming back any time soon. As for prices, I don't like it either but they know we'll pay it. That cat has long been out of the bag. Until sales stop, they'll charge what the market will take. Unfortunately, I don't even think about resale value when I buy a new phone. I consider it "disposable" and hope like hell someone does a trade in deal when it comes time for me to buy a new one. (Which does look to be happening this time around with the V30. I suspect that means LG knows they have a possible hit on their hands.)
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] gsw5700:
The good news is, the V30 is well made, so you can probably get the battery replaced after 18 months for £75 ish
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] melihcarter:
So based on this video, v30 should be around 95 - 97 camera score compared to pixel xl

https://youtu.be/OCqBHavIuAY
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] CHH2:
I guess I'll know soon enough. I just kinda sorta blundered my way into pre-ordering a V30. Supposedly (and I don't know if I trust this or not) it will ship anywhere between today and the 9th. Guessing that's just a standard quote they tack onto all orders though. Went ahead with the overnight ship too. Would love to have it for a concert I'm going to on the 11th to do side by side with my V20 and my work iPhone 6s.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] storm68:
My thoughts are I'm quitting with LG phones. This will be my last.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] a_petrov303:
I see that V30 will become available on some US major carriers' websites. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to buy it for a non-US resident (I have a US PO box) and how? Also in case if there will be a trade-in deal, and they accept V10 or V20 (I have both), how does it usually works? One can post it to a designated address or it has to be done in a physical store (so no go for me then)
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] runningnak3d:
What a bunch of d****e bags: https://fccid.io/document.php?id=3522063

Notice something missing in that list of LTE bands? Band 71. So, if you want use the 600Mhz spectrum that T-Mobile bought, you will be buying a H932 T-Mobile carrier branded V30.

I was looking forward to buying an unlocked V30, but now I won't get an H932 even if I (or someone else) am able to finish reversing the LAF protocol.

If you look at other models in that link, it looks like the Verzion version is going just be a rebranded US998.

-- Brian
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] KUSOsan:
Out of curiosity what are you planning on going with after LG
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] storm68:
I actually don't know yet. Not a big Samsung or Apple fan it'll be hard to choose.