yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] inf02:
I'm thinking of getting this phone, the only thing that is holding me back right now is how some people say the camera is horrible. Anyone who has the V20 or has had the V20 can give me their opinion on how the front and rear camera is with Snapchat? If you have any could I see some examples as well. Thanks!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Still_living714:
It's good but then again snapchat on Android sucks
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] inf02:
Thanks for the reply man
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Shane Oo Mac:
The camera is bad ass ....

No issues at all for me.
[Xiaomi Mi MIX  Questions & Answers] Djezpur:
My Xiaomi Mi MIX runs Global Stable ROM 8.2.5.0 (MAHMIDL). Noticing a substantial loss of battery life overnight, I decided to take a closer look using BetterBatteryStats. Turned out that Kernel Wakelock 6aoooo.ssusb was keeping the phone from deep sleep.

The cause was pointed out in this thread https://xdaforums.com/oneplus-3/help/6a00000-ssusb-wakelock-wld-bbs-t3463062: the wakelock initiates when connecting the phone to a PC via USB in MTP mode (probably keeping the phone awake for file transfers) but the service persists after disconnection.

A reboot terminates the wakelock. Luckily I found another workaround by enabling USB debugging in Developer options (although it's hardly a real solution).

Furthermore BBS registers a lot of wakeup alarms from com.google.android.gms and android. Has anyone else noticed this behaviour?
[Xiaomi Mi MIX  Questions & Answers] omerbagi10:
My mi mix drained 30% over 10 hours (even the battery saver was enabled), I dont know what causing it and I do have USB debugging enabled :confused:
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Questions & Answers] Majpayne:
So my phone keeps going off and I look and there is nothing there anyone know why? Best I can figure it's signal but not sure at all.
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] asderdd:
​

This rom has ported from OnePlus 3T.

What's working :

Boots

RIL

Wifi

Bluetooth

Video Playback

Audio ( Record and Playback )

Sensors

GPS

What's not working:

Camera ( Videos And Photos )

Wired Headphone ( Bluetooth headphones work )

Please tell me.

Instructions :

Download the latest build

Reboot to recovery

Flash the latest build

Reboot

Downloads :

Builds : Mod Edit: Links removed

Google Apps : http://goo.gl/j5ZJCF (The zip contains apks, just install all of them) (Don't forget to give read contacts permission to contact sync app)

Screenshots :

Spoiler content hidden.

My PayPal address for donations

Currently I don't have an Mi 5s so I ported this rom without a device. For more trouble-free ROMs, you can help me get Mi5s and keep up with daily updates. Paypal address: paypal.me/asderdd12

XDA:DevDB Information

Port HydrogenOS 3.0 for Xiaomi MI 5s, ROM for the Xiaomi Mi 5s

Contributors

asderdd, Cenkay

ROM OS Version: 7.x Nougat

Version Information

Status: Beta

Current Beta Version: Release 1

Beta Release Date: 2017-07-07

Created 2017-07-06

Last Updated 2018-08-11
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Legezu:
What is different in this rom compared to cenkay's rom?
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] rhyme4u12:
It's same ROM from him as well but seem they fixed some few bugs and released for public
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Cenkay:
Those who participated in the beta test again this ROM. This version is different from the beta test version!
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] fereidooni:
wow i was wating for this

thank you devs

im going to flash this :good:

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f2fs support ?
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] rhyme4u12:
I think OP edited the post indicating camera now works
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] fereidooni:
i find some bugs for now

gallery app dosent work

error : please upgrade or install oneplus aplication thorugh official way

finger print dosent work just do nothing when i push my finger

so fast and smooth

battery the best without doubt

and really nice looking
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] lallianpuia:
Thanks dev

I'm going to try

Hope make me satisfy
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] fereidooni:
Camera doesn't work yet :crying:
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Zubodub:
Thanks a lot! Can't wait for the release without major bugs as camera and headphones
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] MuLinBoy228:
Will support ota updates?
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Cenkay:
No OTA update support.
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] MuLinBoy228:
What about Oxygen OS? When it will come out?
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] terron66:
Best OS! Very fast and smooth, better than all firmwares for mi5s.
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Addymore:
Wow! This rom is nice! Waiting for camera then will try it asap....
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] asderdd:
For gallery app just change this line in build.prop

ro.product.brand=Xiaomi

to

ro.product.brand=OnePlus

Also testerers reported fp is working well.
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] terron66:
Calls very laggy, only 3 lanuages now, camera, fp, ambient display, very few brightness levels
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Addymore:
camera working?
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] lallianpuia:
This build is weekly or nightly??
[Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] fereidooni:
Not working yet

---------- Post added at 12:41 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:40 PM ----------

Is just a beta version for now

---------- Post added at 12:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:41 PM ----------

Thanks a lot

But my fp not working at all do you have suggestion ?

And this rom have f2fs support or not ?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Christian72D:
In an other forum is a discussion about "Sprite Terminator" and one user says that the program even has a password protection against hard-reset.

I really could not believe this, because i think this is so much low-level that no program can prevent this.

Or am i wrong?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] benmyers2941:
I dont think it could be blocked. I supppose it could work like a BIOS password on a PC, though I haven't seen an implementation of that in years. Essntiallly it locks the PC from booting without the password.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] Wallaceman105:
Need to replace my screen, can't find a replacement to buy.

Anyone know where? Device is NA model.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] Choose an username...:
You can just use the VIP warranty, they should give you a free screen replacement

Good luck finding a replacement screen if you don't wanna claim the warranty... I haven't found any replacement parts for this phone anywhere
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] prot-:
I noticed audio in all my camera recordings (+ audio recording apps) doesn't work any more.

I've never dropped my phone.

I factory reset but nothing changed.

I've looked it up and Google have officially admitted it's a known hardware issue with the soldering :(

Looks like I'll have to send back with warranty.

Damn!

Will I be able to unlock the bootloader with my replacement still?
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] sakumaxp:
I just got my pixel xl a few days ago after switching over to Google project fi. So I thought I'd give the stock messenger a try, I find that when I get a text and reply with the quick reply notification pull down, after I press send the notification won't disappear, if there a fix or is anyone else having this problem too?
[Nova Launcher] paulospml:
I like to use Nova but I like more one specifically page without dock to fix widgets and other information.

Anyway to do this on NOVA?

Using an Oneplus 3T now and cant not leave the stock launcher because of shelf.

So can we make a page like this?

I se that action launcher have an option like this swiping right to left, but i prefer Nova and have a prime version.
[LG G5 Questions & Answers] simonatse:
Hi guys,

I'm having massive problems with my phone. As you can see here, the Android System has used up 50% of my total battery and there is no way I can make it stop.

{I tried inserting images but cannot due to 'new user'. The picture basically says that Android System uses 50% of battery, when phone is at 2% battery and that the CPU on time was just over 8 hours.}

System and Apps are updated to the most recent versions.

I tried

- disabling permissions for all apps (which has led to some follow up problems, and briefly fixed the problem, but it has reappeared now)

- deleting data from Google Play Services

- deleting cached data from system storage

I didn't try factory resetting my phone, since I am hesitant to go through the hassle of backup recovery.

Any input? Might it be possible to further dissect the 'Android System' process with a program somehow, so I can see specifically which request/app is keeping the Android System busy for 8 (!!!!) hours?

This has even affected my charging times, which are now abysmal, because the f*cking process keeps on sucking energy while charging. I also frequently am putting my phone into flight mode during the day, just to extend the lifetime somewhat.

Thank you.
[LG G5 Questions & Answers] TheMadScientist:
try one of the wakelock detectors in my case a no root one have to set up adb or throught chrome it gives instrucs but it can tell u whats keeping ure device awake

ive noticed facebook syncing locations even aftermarket messangers can do it

id start there also u can try booting into safe mode for a couple days and see if its a rouge 3rd party app if safe mode proves effective try disabling all 3rd party apps and ever 2 hours or so reenable 1 by one and see if one of them are causing it
[LG G5 Questions & Answers] barisbayrak:
Do you use any Phone case?

LG-H860 cihazımdan Tapatalk kullanılarak gönderildi
[LG G5 Questions & Answers] TheMadScientist:
What does a case have to do with it?
[LG G5 Questions & Answers] barisbayrak:
I used that case and my battery Was draining fast. Than now i dont use it and my battery Come to normal

LG-H860 cihazımdan Tapatalk kullanılarak gönderildi
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] zakariya tomal:
Hi, could anyone refer me the latest twrp and adb files that will work on my FRD L09 B385?

I've tried installing twrp 3.0.3 last time. After rebooting to recovery the screen kinda got stuck saying - your device is rooted and cant be trusted

Your device is booting now....

I had to restart the phone then.

sorry for noob question. :D
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] adriansticoid:
Use 3.1.1 from HERE. It should work.
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] zakariya tomal:
Thank you. I have another query though. Im my phone's developer menu oem unlock option is off and grayed out. I can't turn it on . Will it be an issue ?
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] adriansticoid:
Did you unlocked bootloader before?
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] zakariya tomal:
Yes i did . I've installed twrp before too. But restoring from twrp caused my system setting not work so i flashed update.zip and other file to go back to stock recovery i guess. I lost twrp recovery that way.
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] adriansticoid:
Big mistake man. You should've flashed through dload.
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] zakariya tomal:
? A senior member recommended this

https://xdaforums.com/honor-8/help/help-thread-questions-t3524455/post72859318

See page 34 and 35
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] adriansticoid:
Try flashing the same files again. But this time, extract the update.app then flash them through dload. Largest file first.
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] zakariya tomal:
There are two files http://update.hicloud.com:8180/TDS/data/files/p3/s15/G1278/g104/v73891/f1/full/update.zip

http://update.hicloud.com:8180/TDS/...ll/hw/meafnaf/update_data_full_hw_meafnaf.zip

Which one to extract?
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] adriansticoid:
Both of them. The update.app inside.
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] gopinaidu77:
Adrian dont suggest that
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] adriansticoid:
Why?
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] gopinaidu77:
Why should he install update.app in the ota ? That will brick his device:crying:
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] zakariya tomal:
Okay I'm officially lost now.

I've finished downloading the firmware . Could you guide me how to fix this?

My phone is working fine with unlocked bootloader. Except flashing twrp didn't work. Volume up+power doesn't get me to recovery. Now since the oem unlocked option is grayed out i cant decide whether i should flash twrp 3.1.1 or not?
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] zakariya tomal:
Should i follow this procedure?
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] adriansticoid:
This is the same as dload method.
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] zakariya tomal:
Yes . Im asking if its safe? I will go back to stock and locked bootloader if i follow this procedure . Right?
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] adriansticoid:
Yes and yes.
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] gopinaidu77:
So any updates OP?
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] gopinaidu77:
Better u dont try that method. It wont work
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] zakariya tomal:
Suggest me another method please?
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] gopinaidu77:
Did u try to flash them ?
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] zakariya tomal:
Not yet. Should i?
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] gopinaidu77:
Yes u can ,but flash both the files one after the other through twrp . If the first one is successful , then after that install second one immediately without making a reboot
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] zakariya tomal:
Problem is i don't have twrp installed.

Please read my thread 1st page.

And my enable oem unlock option is turned off and grayed out. I am not sure if it will have any affect if i try flashing twrp 3.1.1 again
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] adriansticoid:
I thought flashing this in TWRP fails?
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] gopinaidu77:
These days i saw success with many people using this method
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] adriansticoid:
But I recommend to OP to flash it in dload since it was proven and tested.
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] gopinaidu77:
I dont know about that bro . Since u said its proved ,he can go for it without second thought:angel:
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] adriansticoid:
Go try it now [MENTION=5541272]zakariya tomal[/MENTION] :)
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] zakariya tomal:
Okay. I'll let you guys know :)
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] adriansticoid:
Goodluck. ;)
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] zakariya tomal:
Some guide says to put the dload folder in sd card same says to put it on internal storage :mad: which one should i follow?
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] adriansticoid:
Inernal storage.
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] gopinaidu77:
Its sdcard if it is a full package. U can try internal storage if it is a rollback package
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] zakariya tomal:
I want to go back to stock and locked bootloader. Should i just keep the update.app in internal storage and flash?
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] gopinaidu77:
No , put it in sdcard /dload/ . If the erecovery says no package nofound. Then goto settings/storage and set sdcard as ur default storage . Later it will install without issues
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] King Mustard:
I have a Pumpkin 13-RQ0278E Android-based touchscreen car stereo.

Sometimes, I do not have a data connection so need to drop back to FM radio.

The built-in FM radio app is a bit poo.

What do people usually use?

My device is not supported by NextRadio and Spirit FM is £5.64, so I don't want to spend that kind of money if it's not very good.
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] surdu_petru:
Resurrection Remix N v5.8.5 For Honor 8 PRO (DUK)

> Officially Supported Devices : DUKE-AL10, AL20, AL30, L09 & TL30 <

*** Stable Version 5.8.5 ***

About

Downloads

Installations

Features

Issues

Sources

Credit

Special thanks to the LineageOS Team, OmniROM Team , SlimROM Team and of course to all the supporters !

Kernel GPLv2 compliant : android_kernel_huawei_hi3660 !

This ROM is provided by OpenKirin TEAM (XePeleato, OldDroid, surdu_petru )

RR Screenshots

​

Best regards,

XDA:DevDB Information

RROS 7.1.2, ROM for the Honor 8 Pro

Contributors

surdu_petru, XePeleato, OldDroid

Source Code: https://github.com/OpenKirin

ROM OS Version: 7.x Nougat

ROM Kernel: Linux 4.x

ROM Firmware Required: Android N (EMUI 5.x)

Based On: LineageOS

Version Information

Status: Stable

Stable Release Date: 2017-09-20

Beta Release Date: 2017-07-06

Created 2017-07-06

Last Updated 2017-10-24
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] surdu_petru:
*** reserved ***
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] adriansticoid:
Holy cow man this is insanely fast! :victory::highfive::D I can't wait to lay my hands on this phone. :)
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] adriansticoid:
What's all with the emojis? :rolleyes:
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] srvoleti:
Very happy to see the fast development undertaken by OP, expressed gratitude!!
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] adriansticoid:
You could've just said that earlier instead of posting emojis.
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] venugopalu007:
OMG, Fastest ever by OpenKirin , Really Impressed , I think This mobile Has faster development than honor 8.
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] cheeze.keyk:
Stop Spamming the thread guys just for the sake of your Honor Points! If you appreciate his work just hit the Thanks Button.
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] srt99:
excellent work. looking forward to get this device.

one question though, does the camera utilise both rgb and monochrome sensor while taking stills just like in stock rom, or does it only use rgb sensor?
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] thilak devraj:
wow.. this is just unexpected.. that too,beta for a starting build is just excellent..

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i think , no.. camera sources arent released by honor yet:(
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] adriansticoid:
Since video recording is a bug now, we can guess that the camera is like half the quality.
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] joe2k01:
Guess WhitePugKernel will arrive also on this beautiful device now ;)

Nice job guys :highfive:
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] smouker:
Thank you for your work!

I just flashed it, but the device is stuck on the bootloader screen (Device cant be trusted bla bla...) I followed exactly the installation instructions with openGAPPS ARM64 7.1 micro package.

Anyone else facing this Issue?

Cheers
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] adriansticoid:
Did you remove encryption?
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] smouker:
I can access the sdcard in TWRP yes.

I formated Data and wiped internal, Data, System, Cache
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] adriansticoid:
Then it should boot. :confused: Please try flashingnagain without Gapps.
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] smouker:
already tried it...

Is there a difference if im flashing the Rom from sdcard or does it have to be on the internal storage when i flash it?
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] adriansticoid:
The location doesn't matter. Even you can flash a ROM located in OTG. Let's wait for Surdu to answer.
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] maxDa84:
This rom have the mute microphone bug. In the calling I push the mic soft button but not silenced the icon change but the microphone working and listening my voice pls fix
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Binojvj:
Error in installing.

Hi Guys,

I'm trying to install on my Chinese version of Honor 8 Pro and it fails with the following error.

"Update process failed with ERROR: 7"

I'm using TWRP 3.1.1-1. It's a DUK AL20.

Any help would be really great.

Thanks. :)
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] shashank1320:
Had same issue on my China variant 6X. Couldn't figure out the issue and debranded the phone. Able to do now :good:
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] adriansticoid0312:
Let's wait for the team to fix it.
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Binojvj:
So, debranding is the only way around this? This ROM actually supports AL20, right? That's why I'm wondering why it's not working.
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] shashank1320:
It should work on most of the variants but need to check this thread if someone with this model or other China variant like AL10, AL30 etc. were able to flash. If they are able to flash this ROM, you should also be able to do this.
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] lunchplease:
I have a Chinese v9 I rebranded then all these ROMs flash fine though I've gone back to stock honor 8 pro Europe software as prefer it
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Binojvj:
Hey.. Any pointers on how to rebrand it? I'm looking to do the same.
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] lunchplease:
Hi there

Just follow the rebranding thread on the Honor 8 Pro forum by Morph.....has all the links there, though you will have to download and use DC Unlocker and pay something like 10Euro at one stage when it is used to unlock again. But if you search the thread there's a fair few of us who've rebranded using that and the DC service

Good luck and remember to follow the instructions word for word and line for line!
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] surdu_petru:
Please, take a look here !

Tested and working 100% :)
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Cauterize4:
Please could someone explain what the 'encryption' issue is with this ROM? What exactly isn't encrypted and is it anything to worry about?
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Ruppi64:
I once wanted to install Resurrection Remix on my Honor 8 Pro .... also works so far, until something is wrong with the camera.

The recorded videos are not displayed correctly .... without thumbnail.

is that the same with you?

and is there a solution for that?
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] jak989:
Hi,

I'm facing the same issue. Could you explain a little bit please? Did you just flash the nocheck-recovery and than via Dload?
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] 01sr.me:
can update from RROS v5.8.3:confused:
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] 01sr.me:
Thanks for your answer;)
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Binojvj:
Bricked a DUK-AL20 trying to install the ROM. I had a few failed attempts before as well but I was able to recover using the Huawei recovery which downloaded and installed the OS automatically. Now that also is not working. It's downloading and installing but restarting to launch the same screen again.

The build it's automatically trying to download is DUK-AL20C00B181-FULL.

I've tried to install DUK-AL20C00B173 via dload method and failed. :(

Any help would be really great. Thanks in advance.
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] xdasith:
is it just me that the fingerprint failed to capture multi taps or is this a known issue? if its known issue than its alryte
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] jak989:
If I wanna restore to stock, do I need to rebrand the phone? Because the model changed to AL-30.

Original it was AL20 but was successfully rebranded to L09 before I installed PROS.
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] PalakMi:
Did you delete fingerprints registered on EMUI before flashing RROS?!
[Honor 8 Pro  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] xdasith:
I guess so. well if that might be the case, its there a way around? Many thanks