yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Abdulll.h:
Oh no..

If you keep updating more people will try it

I believe that You can't judge after 1st or 2nd release

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It is the fastest ROM I tried here with decent battery SOT

I'm using the Korean version of S8+
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] tykoon:
I'm enjoying the rom. Did have a random reboot on the latest version today though.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] auras76:
Random reboot?

I dont have any.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Abdulll.h:
No random reboot here too
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] tykoon:
Not sure what happened to be honest. The phone had been in my pocket. Took it out to check something and it was rebooting. I am not running any special mods of any kind just this rom as it comes.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Abdulll.h:
Strange, I dirty flashed it with no problems

I would recommend a clean flash after backup
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] deh2002:
So far so good on my 955n

Thank you
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] tykoon:
Not sure if my reboot could be connected to this thread: https://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s8+/help/screen-pocket-t3602663. The phone was in my pocket. Not sure if it could reboot itself though as as far as I know you need to push the power button to get to the reboot option.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] dayl1ght:
I make Full Wipe and install the rom, but the Photo widgets cant find it on Screen?

How activ the widget ?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] dayl1ght:
https://xdaforums.com/apps/magisk/module-iytbp-magisk-t3619705 - I cant install iYTBP for Magisk - Ad-Free YouTube with Background Play , last rom work perfect .

have you edited ?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] auras76:
Its working only with xperia launcher.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] oulouloul:
your rom is just good.. near perfect.

s8 plus and s8 are new and expensive phones.. they need some extra time. thank you for your hard work. wait a little bit more, keep updated! regards
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] dayl1ght:
But Magisk v13.3 flase SafetyNet Status , the rom need fake Knox 0x0 .
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Abdulll.h:
Please update this!

I like it, it's the best ROM for s8+ so far
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] auras76:
ok.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Ojuani:
¡Madre mia this is really very fast rom!

Congratulations for your hard work

Keep on!

Thanks
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Ojuani:
The wifi connection is super fast. What did you do to make it?

Any build pro tweak

Thanks advanced
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] bornwilder:
I have been using this rom for the past few days and i gotta say seriously by far the best rom developed that suits everything i want from my phone. It's fast and i can't complain about anything except for the lack of samsung apps. Can't seem to update or download the galaxy essential or galaxy gear manager. Could it be a rom issue or is it due to my csc? Flashed the correct csc for my phone but still can't find the samsung bloatware store.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] :
+1

I want to see an Update too!
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] vibrantliker:
Please update!!!
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] samteeee:
[MENTION=2112104]auras76[/MENTION]

Welcome & thank you.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] krsambhav:
Flashed Ur ROM, Yesterday. Till Now Fastest SE Based ROM. Loving It, Just The Battery Doesn't Runs Like Others. Please Update. Thanks
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] ounerkouks:
hi

animated scale its possible to 0.25 ? ( if no, its possible to update ? )

thanks
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Abdulll.h:
Strange

I get 6-7 hours Screen on time

Try to re flash again
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Abdulll.h:
[MENTION=2112104]auras76[/MENTION]

When is the next update?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Ojuani:
Me too
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] auras76:
I'm on vacation until the end of August. When I get there, it's going to be updated.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] samteeee:
Thanks for the info, bro.

And have a good one!
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] auras76:
Thanks.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] boostnek9:
I would LOVE to have this for 955u. Stock boot and kernel of course but the rest would be amazing. :)
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] lightninbug:
Can you please make this compatible with the Snapdragon variant? We could only flash through Flashfire
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] muppetmaster916:
snapdragon please.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Abdulll.h:
I'm still waiting for the update ?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] ScottBroker:
Will this rom work on the new Root for the US variants now?????
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] samteeee:
No. Just the provided firmware on the Snapdragon thread.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Nulltown:
I have a very basic problem. The phone won't go past the Powered by Android screen. I thought my BL needed updating, but I flashed a BL and CP from July (the latest I could find) and it's still not booting. I can go into recovery and restore my previous rom state perfectly, but this rom never boots. I've tried about five times now. Anybody have any suggestions?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Abdulll.h:
That never happened to me

Have you tried a clean install?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Nulltown:
Sorry I might not have been clear - I've never succeeded in installing this rom. When I said I can restore my previous state, I meant the rom I had installed before.

I've tried installing this as cleanly as possible, wiping everything except internal storage.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Abdulll.h:
I miss understood sorry

Try to quote the Developer he usually replies
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] jujomar:
Does this rom work with Snapdragon?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] auras76:
V2.0 its done.will be updated tomorow.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Abdulll.h:
Waiting for the best ROM ??

I hope you get more users because your ROM is underrated!!

Break the download button everyone ??

I get 8Hrs + SOT on this ROM
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] bornwilder:
Looking forward to switch back to ur new rom tomorrow. Loved ur previous version only thing was i had some ram management issues and unable to delete folders. Could be due to experimenting with too many roms. However i have formatted the internal memory and awaiting v2.0
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] vibrantliker:
Waiting.........
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] auras76:
ITS UP.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] vibrantliker:
Thanks!!
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] melvngt5:
1. Can i install Notorius Kerenel?

2. Can i install Note8 ZIP Apps?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] :
[MENTION=2112104]auras76[/MENTION]

thank you man. it's this the final and latest version if you made?

1. yes

2. yes
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] melvngt5:
Final ROM! No more Updates? :(
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] :
read here this statement mate:

https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=73139128#post73139128

may be the final version, but i don't hope it.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] melvngt5:
Ohhh Sh....T:mad:
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] lightninbug:
Working on Snapdragon?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] :
any change to get the default clock displayed in the notification bar instead of the potato clock?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] carlitobahsoun:
of course notttttttttttttt....

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any ss about battery life in this rom???
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] auras76:
No.will be updated.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] melvngt5:
Thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] vibrantliker:
How do you get SafteyNet to pass?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] tykoon:
I was on v1.1 and I flashed the G95xF_FD_Firmware_AQH3. Then the phone rebooted and now I am stuck in a bootloop on the Samsung screen. I cannot seem to get into recovery mode either unless I am doing something wrong. Can you advise please?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] auras76:
Try to install again the trwp 3.1.1-2.install v2.0 rom with full wipe and flasheable bootloader-modem.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] tykoon:
But how do I do that? I cannot get out of the bootloop.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] auras76:
Flash with odin twrp.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] actinhic:
Good morning,

Really like RomAur v2. Fast, simple, without gapps : an hour sot / 10 per cent battery. Only back2kill is missing for me. Huge thanks [MENTION=2112104]auras76[/MENTION]
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] auras76:
Will be added.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] tykoon:
Odin TWRP flash fails. Can I safely try the method in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTi3uBkpJic to flash the previous bootloader QF7 first ?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Abdulll.h:
Nice ?

I'm waiting for N variant support
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] actinhic:
Did you try (via odin) to hold vol+ and power and bixby buttons while (simultaneously) pressing start button when you flash twrp ? I insist : simultaneously press all the buttons. (Had the same issue, had to ask someone to hit Start for me to be sure it's simultaneous...)
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] tykoon:
Not sure what the problem was but I managed to get to TWRP by flashing the previous bootloader in Odin. I then did a full wipe and reinstallled the rom and firmware zip again. The phone booted fine and I did a basic setup and all seemed OK. Then I tried to reboot to recovery to test it. Unfortunately it went into a bootloop again. As my phone has been not working for the whole day I decided to try the process again with another rom. So I flashed the previous bootloader again, did a full wipe and then installed Renovate Ice and the firmware zip from SoLdieR9312. Now everything is working fine. So seems I had some issue with your zips that I could not resolve. Thanks anyway.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] meddylad:
Installed this and its great - but how do I access Dolby? I don't have an icon and sound effects takes me to Viper

## found it - after a reboot I've got a Sound Control icon where I can choose Dolby/Viper/Beats ##
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Xgztylm:
Pretty weird....
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] geminga:
The screen is flickering and I can't do ****
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] ajaymalkani:
Outdoor mode

Is there any way to keep the outdoor mode always on? Instead of turning off after 15 min etc.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] samteeee:
Guys;

I can't get rid of "Magisk not activated"!

Cannot install any modules and safety net is down too!

Any suggestions?

Tried all google search etc. to no avail.

Thank you.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Zombie_krale:
Now I've tried all the stable roms these past three days, and this is the best. Thank you for the excellent job.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Zombie_krale:
One request though, I had resurrection rom on my former hyuawei p9, and it had an awesome mod where there was a what's it called equalizer/visualizer in the navigation bar when you played media.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] aLmoravado:
Smooth ROM; and battery life seems to be better than the one I was on before. Thanks!

Status bar icons are dark, except for battery, clock and download speed (all of which are in white). Is there a way to change the status bar settings? I tried through ROM Control and 3Minit but couldn't find the it.

Also, can we change 4G to LTE in the status bar?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Dimergon:
Anyone else experiencing this issue, or has it been resolved? Looking for a new ROM and this seems perfect in every way except this issue with the Samsung apps. I have a Gear Watch 3 and I need to have the Galaxy Gear Manager on my phone.

Any thoughts?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] aLmoravado:
Galaxy Apps are working fine, except for Gallery. I see all the pictures under "Pictures" but only one album (WhatsApp Videos) under "Albums." When I try to move any image I get the "Can't move items - The selected items are already in the only album on this phone. You can create an album and move these items to it" message...
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Dimergon:
Thanks for the reply, I decided to give it a try despite a lack of replies to my question and it worked like a charm, and one of the best roms I've tried so far for the S8plus. Luckily I don't use Samsung's gallery app, it only ever acted up on me, instead I use Google Photos and I'm pretty content with it.

As a sidenote, have you noticed any battery drain while using this rom? I feel like the battery drains faster than when I was on batman rom.

Regards,

Alexander
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] aLmoravado:
I haven't used the Batman rom; so I can't comment on that. However, I see battery performance on this rom much better than CarHD rom.

As for Samsung's Gallery app, it has a few good features, such as motion stills and short story videos made out of pictures.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] chikrron:
Old rom. Dead thread.

Enviado desde mi SM-N950F mediante Tapatalk
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] neitin:
Hi guys,

I don't have clock on my status bar, not sure how to I get it, can someone help me.

Edit: I disable Potato clock and lost it, enable and have clock on my status bar.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] auras76:
This rom not get much interest from users.i spend a lot of hours to make this rom.sorry.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] neitin:
Got just give up yet. It’s great rom. I think it lacks awareness among users. I hope you continue to work on it.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] chefe161717:
This Rom is great, it works great.

It is the most stable Rom for the Galaxy S8 +
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] Spitfire400:
RomAur was always amazing on my sony Xperia z and now to find for the s8 plus is a surprise, but a very welcome one. I already know before even flashing it that it will perform amazing, and give the best of all worlds. Would be a great shame to see development cease at this early stage.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot] hardmaninc:
Is there a away to get Snapchat working on this rom ?
[Samsung Gear S3] 1979Sentinel:
A lot of times when I do a manual heart rate measurement the line is displaying a beating heart, but after a while the measurement stops with an error. That I need to clean the sensor. And next try it works (without cleaning).

I think the sensor is tight enough to my arm.

Does anybody have any tips??
[OnePlus 3T Questions & Answers] handverbrennung:
Hi,

i just installed lineage 14.1 on my 3t (used stock rom before). Now i can do phone calls (mic + "internal"/upper speaker working), but headphone ack and the "real"/lower speaker is not working at all. When i plugin my headphones it seems, that my phone does not even notice the plug. I tried several apps, did phone calls, etc. - audio worked nowhere. Now i'm giving up and try to find help here. Any ideas? Just wait for the next release?

Image used: lineage-14.1-20170706-nightly-oneplus3-signed.zip

Regards, Enno
[Sony Cross-Device General] devilmaycry2020:
Hi all

i searched in framework-res, systemui but did not find out the wifi icon. please help. thank you
[Sony Cross-Device General] Ticklefish:
It's most likely in the drawable folder in SystemUI.apk. You'll be looking for an XML file.
[Sony Cross-Device General] devilmaycry2020:
it's seem in 7.x didn't use picture anymore. they using something different for example "<path android:fillColor="?backgroundColor" android:pathData="M18,6.024l0,16l4,0l0,-20z" />" i dont know. i want to re-align the two small triangle on the left, right wifi icon.
[Sony Cross-Device General] levone1:
Haven't tested anything yet, but I see 'network traffic' section in res/layout/status_bar, and res/drawable/stat_sys_traffic... files. Seems like you could adjust height or padding, etc...
[Sony Cross-Device General] Ticklefish:
Yup. That's a vector drawable - it's code that describes the shape.

You can edit that code but it can be a little tricky. You're better off either replacing it with your own code (which is easier than it seems but still involves a little bit of work) or you can delete that file and put a PNG file with the same name in the appropriate drawable-?dpi folder.
[Sony Cross-Device General] devilmaycry2020:
thanks for your help. i want two triangle in red circle align to the its own corner of rectangle .
[Sony Cross-Device General] Ticklefish:
The in and out arrows are most likely called something like "stat_sys_wifi_in", "stat_sys_wifi_out" and "stat_sys_wifi_inout". You'll need to change those three.
[Sony Cross-Device General] devilmaycry2020:
Yeah, I think so, but I don't know how to edit. Do you know what program can edit vector drawable xml file,?
[Sony Cross-Device General] Ticklefish:
Well, you can edit the XML with pretty much any text editor. Hell, I've done it with Notepad before.

The real question is what you change the code to.

Editing Android Vector Drawables is tricky, but not impossible. Have a look here for some links that might help: https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=67417325&postcount=5358

Although don't forget what I said earlier. It may be simpler to just delete the XML file and use a PNG image file instead..
[Sony Cross-Device General] engloa:
Mod edit:

Thread closed as the cross dev section is not the place for this

Please seek help in your device Q&A section
[Sony Xperia XA1 Questions & Answers] Santo03:
Hi,

I'm thinking of buying Xperia XA1, but two facts hold me from purchase. The touchscreen issue may be only on some batch from factory, but I've read about weak signal reception compared to other phones. If you have XA1, can you evaluate, how strong signal is (2G, 3G, LTE)? If you have some other phone near you, can you compare? Thank you very much. :cowboy:
[Sony Xperia XA1 Questions & Answers] Ticklefish:
I'm getting pretty much the same signal as I was getting on my Z3 Compact.

And my Z.

And my Mini Pro..

There might be slight differences but I haven't noticed anything major.
[Sony Xperia XA1 Questions & Answers] Santo03:
Thx, it looks promising. :) I'm torn apart between Xperia XA1 and Huawei Nova. I must say that I like the appearance of Sony more.
[Sony Xperia XA1 Questions & Answers] ross23:
I see no issues with my XA1 and my Z5. In fact, i think the Z5 has weaker signal (fewer bars) in my area than the XA1. But in terms of speed and coverage they seem identical to me.
[Sony Xperia XA1 Questions & Answers] karandpr:
No issues around signal quality.

XA1 has signal quality equal to MiniPro and E1 ,

better than Active or RedMi 2 .

Tested on all three types of networks and two different carriers.
[Sony Xperia XA1 Questions & Answers] Santo03:
Great news! :laugh: thx
[Sony Xperia XA1 Questions & Answers] RohitBopnna:
Don't go you the number of bar's you see up there, the phones got good signal strength and quality.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] osa219:
Hi everyone:), I was wondering... Is it possible to use a ROM

for a specific model for other models have the same device specifications ??

and will it work properly?

Thanks !
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ninjasinabag:
Most of the time. You may have to flash a kernel that is specific to your device to avoid losing functionality.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] D3vr04:
I'm having a difficult time deciding if I should buy the Htc Tytn II (Kaiser) for the front camera, or just get the cheaper ATT Tilt.

Is the front camera worth it now or is it going to be benificial within the next 2 years for the USA?:confused:

If no, i'm just going to settle for the ATT Tilt.

Help please guys.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sixblade:
Well you have to ask yourself, how many people you know that have a 3g phone with a camera on the front of it as well?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Guilf:
Agree with above. How many people do you know that you could video call? Go with the Tilt - 100%. Love mine.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cornellfOo:
it's not worth it. go with the tilt.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
tilt all the way
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] noyz:
T-T-T-T-T-T-T-Tilt....

I just had to be different.

EDIT: But when people ask you if its an iPhone, because I get that a lot, tell them its a Kaiser.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] met3ora:
Do you really enjoy looking at yourself? If so, a front camera is quite suited for that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sane:
Well i have 3000 minutes of video calls a month on my contract (Helsinki Finland, operator Saunalahti).

I also thought about getting a Tilt, but just couldnt, after thinking that i have the free video calls. Not a big suprise i have made only one video call, actually only two in last two years, to test it out.

My plan has everything covered with the video calls: 3000 min of regular calls, 3000 sms, unlimited mms and unlimited data, but i still say the video calls are pretty useless unless you need them for some specific reason.

Btw. this plan here 49,95€ a month 24 month contract. + Have to take a mandatory 3G phone, price's start from 3€ a month :)... The phone can be sold straight...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] petard:
WOW those are some good prices.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shogunmark:
IF your in the U.S. then its pointless to get a phone with front cam..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sane:
Not bad, what ive been reading here... On the other hand, everything else cost here way too much...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ekw:
I use the front camera for a mirror, sometimes for quick video responses too. works great!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zetajunkie:
i've only used the front camera to capture video clips or pics. It's a lot easier when you see how much of an ass you look while filming...

with new roms being cooked, and the various methods to sim unlock available, the tilt would be a more price conscious decision. the 2 year contract and the potential for a higher rate data plan might be an issue though.

imho, the tilt looks a bit tacky compared to the tytn ii, but to each his own. I bought my kaiser a bit before the tilt was released so i didn't have the option, but i would still take the tytn ii over the tilt. I figure if i'm going to spend money on something, i should like it in every way, inside and out.