yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] 30adi:
That's why phone goes back :)
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] srt99:
QUESTION-

does this "jelly/wobble thing" occurs while playing games (let's say fps game) and while watching videos and movies?

i watch a lot of movies and play fps games on my phone, so i need to know before getting this phone.

and yes, i have watched videos which demonstrates this "effect" and i have noticed it and now i can't "un-notice" it. i see it in every reviews now.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] westside80:
Just wait for the software fix to fix your hardware problem. I'll say it'll be fixed in the next update. They usually try to fix hardware problems with software updates first thing. I returned mine because I used common sense but you just keep waiting for it to be fixed. It's your money.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Sukhi:
Go and have a first hand experience either in a store or on your friends device. The videos on the web are exaggerated. Some units have greater effect while some don't have it at all or might have it to the slightest effect. Some people can notice that easily while some still can't notice that at all.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Benrap:
Could somebody clear out something for me:

I understand active matric oled displays update each "pixel" individually, and each pixel has it's circuit. My question is if the pixel updating is done all at once, or is it a scan (like a camera taking a picture)? Logic tells me this effect is caused by it being updated by a scan and not all at once, but i would like a concrete answer.

And if it is scanned, is it from bottom to top row by row? Top to bottom? Left to right and then top bottom?

Thanks to whoever answers!
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] i1009123:
It's impossible to update all the pixels at once because it requires screen controller with 2073600 pins.

Devs already confirmed than OnePlus 5 display can update screen in any direction.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] robertogl:
Well, no. Link?

Inviato dal mio GT-I9505 utilizzando Tapatalk
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChrisJ:
It's not really a scan as such as that was more the terminology used in the days of Cathode Ray Tubes (CRT) where an electron beam was scanned left to right and top to bottom to excite phosphor so it glowed for a period of time. As long as it was done quick enough your persistence of vision would mean that you didn't notice the flicker.

With this sort of display, the matrix is set and reconfigured rapidly. As i1009123 inferred, the problem is that bandwidth of the connection between the GPU and display panel hardware. You just couldn't practically send enough information in one go to update the entire panel. Hence, it has to be done in a more sequential manner. Top down, or as it would seem in the case of the OP5, bottom up.

What is annoying me most about this whole controversy is the premise that the screen has been installed 'upside down'. If the screen is capable of being configured to refresh in the opposite direction, which evidence would seem to suggest is possible, then there is no upside down. This is simply a case of mis-configuration. The big question is whether it is possible to correct this in software of firmware.

As I have mentioned previously, I don't 'see' the problem. I don't doubt that it is there, I just can't perceive it unless I deliberately look for it or view the screen through another non-synchronised device. ie another phones camera. It is wrong to say that the videos of the effect which are kicking around are inaccurate but in my opinion at least they are exaggerating the issue.

There is also the issue that many of the people that seem to be bashing the OP5 for this don't even have one. I come to Oneplus after being a devout Nexus user since the Nexus S. In my opinion the OP5 is solid device and great value and I would suggest that anyone put off by the Jelly issues goes and has some hands on time with one to see if it is actually a problem to them.

If they are able to reconfigure the panel refresh direction with an update then great it will placate many people. If not, it might still be just fine you individually.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] a g bell:
Agreed it's just oneplus come out with there bs stories and insult the intelligence of half it customers.

https://www.phonearena.com/news/One...again.-Goes-back-to-calling-it-normal_id95783
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChrisJ:
I honestly don't think that was the intention. What they said in this statement was technically true and the reason why some people see it and some don't or at least aren't bothered by it.

They have suggested elsewhere that they are looking at the issue so I would read this as acknowledgement that it is a problem to some users.

As for insulting the intelligence of half it's customers, well yes the ones that hang round on XDA and are clued up on stuff won't be impressed by that statement. However, 'some' of the other half who have just bought a phone and are wondering why the screen is a iffy when scrolled won't have a bloody clue what is going on.

When you are into technology it is really easy to assume that everyone else gets it too. In reality, the vast majority of people won't have the slightest idea about this issue or indeed if it is an issue at all.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] BoboBrazil:
Since I returned mine how soon do you think they switch out panels without telling anyone to fix the issue? I like the phone, but I had severe jelly effect on the 2 OP5 I had. I'm hoping a month or two from now you can buy one without the issue.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChrisJ:
I don't think switching out the panels is the answer. They can't install them the other way round as the connector would be in the wrong place, it would take a major hardware revision. In my opinion they can either sort the refresh direction in software/firmware or they can't.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] BoboBrazil:
From what I've heard they can't fix this in software, but they can order new panels from Samsung instead of using the ones meant for the 3T....
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] a g bell:
So the ones that didn't have a clue would of accepted any explanation and not be to concerned.But the others who do have some base knowledge, get insulted l don't quite see the sense in that.lt doesn't insue trust in the company one plus .That said l am loving my nexus replacement ?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChrisJ:
Not quite what I meant or said to be fair...

I was trying to say that for many that buy phones these sort of issues just aren't on their radar. It isn't that they haven't a clue (I didn't say that), they just won't be sighted of the issue and even if they are they will just accept it if they aren't too bothered.

Those that are more into technology (your average XDA member for example) will feel affronted with what was probably just meant as layman's explanation of the effect.

While I'm not bothered by the issue in the slightest, being a nerd I'm following developments with interest.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] a g bell:
I am too?But no sorry my opinion of one plus is jaded by the way they have dealt with the whole situation. It would of been better to have past it of in a software update than go around making up stories.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] setheleh:
Dudes it is a fking hardware issue get used to it or send it back to hell...

Mi-4c cihazımdan Tapatalk kullanılarak gönderildi
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Yep! Mine is already "burning in hell" :D
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] CalamitySir:
To be honest I can't tell if mine has it, if it has it, it would be so slight that I can't notice it, now that I take a closer look, my old LG G6 and OP3 also has a little jelly effect when scrolling. So I wouldn't exactly call this a defect. Also ever since using FreedomOS with ElementalX kernel combo, I think the effect is now completely gone. I could be wrong but I really cannot tell, be it from far, near, or when using any apps.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] AcmE85:
You are confusing display-afterglow with the jello effect.

Yes, my OP3 has afterglow, but when I turn it upside down I see afterglow + jello.

If you don't see it that's great.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Benrap:
Theoretically, could this issue be solved by modifying the kernel a little? I'm not much of a programmer, but I'm guessing here that android doesn't deal with how the things are displayed, but rather spews out frames and lets the kernel do it's thing. In this case, if you modify the kernel and make it "send" the screen the pixels bottom to top (top to bottom on the op5) instead of top to bottom (bottom to top on the op5) would this be fixed?

This would not work given the screen itself has a module that does all the calculations, but I doubt that's the case.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] i1009123:
Few devs already trying to fix jelly effect (https://xdaforums.com/oneplus-5/help/jelly-scrolling-kernel-test-t3631232) by modyfying kernel config.

Unfortunatelly I can't help them because I don't have OnePlus 5.

If changing screen refreshing direction doesn't help much then maybe jelly effect really isn't caused by reverse direction?

Jelly effect exists on every screen. I noticed it HTC M8 and Samsung S7. Of course even if the device is upside down it is still only little noticeable. Also I see it on my LCD IPS screen when I move any window to left and right.

Maybe some of OP5 displays are really broken and they need more than 16,7 ms to refresh and it causes that jelly effect is more visible on them?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] woundman:
So, I just installed a tempered glass screen protector on my phone and I am getting the jelly scrolling effect now. I had the stock screen protector on but decided to replace it because it's not meant for long term use and already had lots of noticeable scratches. Has anyone tested if the "screen protector" is messing with touch sensitivity and causing the jelly effect? I never had issues with the jelly scrolling effect before I applied it and I've been using my phone while over two weeks now. How many people have screen protectors on their phone and are experiencing this issue?

Edit: I'm trying to reproduce the bug and it's kind of hard. Sometimes it does it, other times it won't. I have to scroll extremely slow to even make it happen.

Edit2: Figured out how to reproduce the jelly effect 100%. Seems certain parts of the screen cause it to happen. I'll upload a video explaining and showing it.

Edit3: Turns out I figured out how to reproduce the bug while changing/testing my tempered glass screen protector. If you want to see it, here it is: https://youtu.be/ylPgd4V-z98
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
What I see in your video is not the jelly effect at all!

I can not see any image stretching!
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rebel7022:
Your video was a big nothing burger.

I just tried to recreate your video didn't work & your video was a waste of time way too long
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] dasti555:
Guys. TWRP is just laggy or why in almost every aroma installer i can see it? It's just because of what?

Anyway .. What actually turn display upside down? Because how is possible that recovery and everything is on normal position? How does phone know that it should be rotated?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] snippem:
My opinion don't take it personal.

I don't see anything absolutely nothing the Yelly bug more and more become a nitpicking.

Tomorrow I am getting my replacement op5 and no not replaced for the yelly and I probably will never notice this phenomenon.

More and more after reading this thread and watching vids I begin to believe there were just a bunch of op5 screens that were faulty.

That the screen is upside down is a fact and that it reacts in a different way must be true.

But this reply and video states how impressionable some people are.

Wanting to see what other see why not just use ur op5 if you do not notice anything than what is wrong.

Verzonden vanaf mijn iPad met Tapatalk
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] 30adi:
Can you see the jelly here?

https://goo.gl/photos/dWrvav2dBhFGLmVw5
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rebel7022:
Kinda. Hey your name says sent from nexus?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] 30adi:
Yep! I send my OP5 back because jelly effect :(

Here's another one:

https://goo.gl/photos/5XS7VgQDqzNMd9nF9
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ghostetr:
That's really weird.... I'm from Denmark and i bought my phone here, and I haven't had any issues, no Jelly effect, no nothing my op5 runs perfectly.....

So it's probably hardware related??
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] BoboBrazil:
This is the same like mine were. I had 2 and returned both. I hope soon they will fix the problem so I can buy another one.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] 30adi:
I think so, because display is upsidedown.

On any other device the effect is there, if you turn the device 180°.

My Nexus 6 has that effect also.

Maybe guys on the other thread manage to get it done :)
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rebel7022:
Omg you returned 2. I bet there was nothing wrong with either
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] invinciblecc:
I agree with you

. It's been exaggerated a lot

I noticed it when I brought the device

Then tried to notice it on my old note 3

Wasn't much if a difference really

. Honestly.. If the fault of something comes to a point so minute that we have to debate if it's even there

People should then learn to ignore it..

!!

But that's my 2 bits

---------- Post added at 08:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:23 PM ----------

This phones performance is phenomenal.... Even big apps stay in the ram of my 8 gb 128 gb version can't really ask for anything more from the market for this price

And abd या btw i may have 300 or more apps installed and am still getting phenomenal battery...

Finally a phone which can bear my extreme use and which I don't have to root so early to debloat it

That's saying something...
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Jelliol:
Such a champ !

I hope to meet u in my life.

Funniest guy ever.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] 30adi:
Come to Romania! I am not that funny tho... ;)
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] rouyal:
Maybe you have low standards for a phone, but that kind of crap engineering doesn't get a pass from me. I shouldn't have to learn to ignore it because it shouldn't be there, especially on a $500 phone. Then you will be upset when they fix it in a revised version, or the 5T.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] altvolt74:
have you folks try add this line to your vuild props see if the proble persist (backup ur current build.props)

debug.sf.hw=1

debug.egl.hw=1

debug.performance.tuning=1

debug.composition.type=c2d

debug.mdpcomp.logs=0

debug.mdpcomp.maxlayer=0

debug.overlayui.enable=1

persist.sys.ui.hw=true

persist.hwc.mdpcomp.enable=true

persist.mdpcomp.4k2kSplit=1

persist.hwc.mdpcomp.maxpermixer=5

persist.mdpcomp_perfhint=50

persist.metadata_dynfps.disable=true

persist.hwc.ptor.enable=true

ro.fps_enable=1

ro.fps.capsmin=60fps

ro.fps.capsmax=60fps

ro.debuggable=1

system.fps=60

cpu.fps=60

gpu.fps=60

dev.pm.cd2_samplingrate=2

video.accelerate.hw=1

try check if they aren't repeated ..... if work let me know to make an new thread
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
x2 :good:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] DrIreland:
Does anyone have experience returning the phone for a new batch? Has it been confirmed that the effect is the same on every phone?

I don't like a jelly effect at all, but it might be something I could deal with since it's such a good phone otherwise.

But I'd like to know if I'd have the chance of getting a phone with a less noticeable effect if I got a replacement?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
x 2
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] invinciblecc:
Maybe I won't like it if they fix it in one plus 5t...

Maybe they will...if they do thell definitely fix it in op6

But u in know what.... I would have used this phone for and enjoyed it for min 2 to 3 months and max 6 to 9 months by then...

So in the end it comes down to this..

I knew what I was buying before was buying it...

And nothing is perfect I would have taken s8+ and hated it cos it doesnt have the 8gb ram..

And what's the most important thing in life...

Time...

Not money...

Time...

And this is where matters for me and I'll repeat it

I would have used it for 5 months more by then!

And those 5 months are more important than any new phone...

And yea.... I say this because I need 8 gb ram... Any other phone is not an option...

For those who have another option by all means return this and buy the other!

Peace out!

---------- Post added at 11:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:03 PM ----------

Again... Dude if you have to try hard to reproduce the bug... Forget it or buy another phone..if you have another better option that is.... . Don't go after op to fix it.

You'll be all the better for it

---------- Post added at 11:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:04 PM ----------

Response to an earlier post

It's like I need a car and need a car today... Not months from now today..

And I have a budget....

I don't have a perfect car for my budget..

I won't buy a Lamborghini

I'll buy whatever is the best option.... And wait for it if the wait is definite not indefinite....

But once I bought it.... Its mine....

If they release a refined version a few months down the lane...

Who cares... The time matters my friend
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
No more news on this?!
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] BoboBrazil:
What kind of news? Oneplus is ignoring the problem and saying the problem is our eyes.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
No news then :D

:good:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] BoboBrazil:
I'm gonna wait a month and buy another one and see if the problem is fixed like when they secretly fixed the yellow band on OnePlus One. I bought a HTC u11 in the mean time, but htc sense isn't really my cup of tea.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] B3501:
How can they fix it? Its in the phones basic design that to fit the rubbish camera in they turned the screen upside down. They'd have to design the whole phone again which they won't. This phone is toast.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ghostetr:
I have the op5, and i don't have the jelly effect, nor have i had any problems.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] BoboBrazil:
They could buy new panels that we're designed to be used with this design from Samsung.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] B3501:
It'll never happen. They'll release the OP5T first.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Balino:
On my op5 it's barely noticeable, it's not boring at all.. you won't tell it's there if you don't know about the issue. I love this phone but coming from an op3t it doesn't seem a totally different device, seems more an op3t2 eheh the speed improvement is definitely there tho
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rebel7022:
To me its way better it barley gets hot
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] gunnerhk:
So I'm not the only one waiting for that to happen:laugh:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] DSF:
I can clearly see the effect on mine, very woobly :")...

But i kinda like it, looking so jelly mmm
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] lucci_x:
Can you explain why this could propably work? And why don't you test it yourself. I don't want to try it not knowing how it works. But I'm willing to help when I can.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Astur_Torque:
Yes, you have
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ghostetr:
WTF no I don't?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Astur_Torque:
Yes, did you read the lastest carl pei's statements?

Enviado desde mi Oneplus 5 mediante Tapatalk
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ady1976:
I've passed this onto to the bug hunters and asked them pass it on to technical why is vsync enabling and disabling, this could be the cause of both issues, first input lag and the jelly effect.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] casual_kikoo:
@ all : https://twitter.com/arter97/status/879765561651085312 !

Go check this out !!
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] nadejo:
Considering the screen being inverted makes it more obvious that the driver doesn't share enough time for the gpu to render it for the screen as the screen has a higher refresh rate than the ui is Generating. It cancels the frame as soon as the amoled Panel draws the next frame that's why the lower part of the screen seems to respond faster

Conclusion: the Panel is not fast enough for the newer driver or it's a hwc thing (Hardware composer) that only a Firmware can fix. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Maybe they ran out of new Panels in the first Batch and included the older panles but kept the new driver. As we know the onplus3 had also two different Panel variants. And I don't think they make hardware issues in the second Batch as usually these Kind of stuff is happening at the first batch

If this is the case, They will include an unified driver (most likely the old one) or Panel dependent drivers.

But on the other side it's also possible, that the Panel isn't fast enough
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ZakooZ:
Can you try forcing GPU 2D rendering in developer settings?

That forces every surface render to go through OpenGLES which may have different sync rules. It slightly decreases performance but might fix the jello effect
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rauttis:
Not seeing any difference with Force GPU rendering enabled.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] nadejo:
It's not limited to 2d Content. But we've tried that already

Can someone who is rooted check thair Pannel Name ?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] benschhold:
did someone allready tried to edit build.prop? maybe debug.egl.swapinterval=0 or debug.egl.swapinterval=-60 ??
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] nadejo:
https://github.com/OnePlusOSS/android/blob/oneplus/QC8996_N_7.1/pull_library.sh

If you check this link you can see these three Panel related lines.

qdcm_calib_data_samsung_s6e3fa3_1080p_video_mode_dsi_panel.xml

qdcm_calib_data_samsung_s6e3fa3_1080p_cmd_mode_dsi_panel.xml

qdcm_calib_data_samsung_s6e3fa5_1080p_cmd_mode_dsi_panel.xml

These Panels s6e3fa3/s6e3fa5 were both used in oneplus3t

The lines saying ...cmd... tell the panel has a command Mode architecture means it has it's own frame buffer implementation built on the panel. However there are maybe even three variants of which the newer one has its own frame buffer implemented in the panel aswell because there are two variants of the older s6e3fa3. I don't understand that yet, Maybe the older s6e3fa3 works with both framebuffer methods who knows. This would explain why one of them says ...Video... And the other line ...cmd... But Im sceptic if that's even possible.

But if the samsung_s6e3fa3_1080p_video_mode_dsi_panel is a seperate third Panel, it will require the frame Buffer to be generated on the mipi Host processor on the soc that must pass a timing controller before it reaches the Panel. The timing controller is vsync i think.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ramisto:
I have the same "misfires" when trying to swipe up in drawer (Nova launcher). Plus the jello/wavy effect. Plus seeking through songs in Play Music. This looks like a rushed up product or QA department needs some procedures updates :(