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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChrisJ:
Principally, the display panel will be communicating with the phones processor board in a manner not dissimilar to a digital monitor connection to your graphics card. From the source code trawl it appears that they are currently doing the inversion in the display compositing before sending it display. So it is appearing the right way up but still refreshing bottom to top instead of top to bottom. I think the panel should have been configured to refresh in the other direction.

Personally, I can't see the effect on my OP5. It might be present but I can't perceive it with the naked eye. If I video the screen on another device I can see it slightly. In my opinion the videos of it kicking around are exaggerating due to their frame-rate etc.

My guess is that there are many other phones kicking around with inverted panels. Purely down to how they have been integrated and where the display panel connectors are. However, they probably got the panel config right.

For the OP5, it is either going to be a really easy 'fix' or it isn't possible at all. Either way, I'm keeping mine as I can't tell anyway and I love it. Fast, well built, camera adequate and nothing close with this much memory.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Batfink33:
Yes but the current it travelling in one direction, the refresh will go with the current.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] CroW_D:
I can confirm this also but this isn't begging me that much like the jelly
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] alex9898:
The fact that the image composition is managed by the GPU is no evidence that the GPU also managed the direction of the refresh of the screen. Those two things are completely different.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] nadejo:
Ive checked twrp and even there i've noticed some scrollings are ignored. Sometimes it doesnt occure at all and sometimes its so often that i dare to scroll fast. :( Actually the jelly effect isnt that bad on mine compared to the videos, i can live with it since it's on all devices depending on screen orientation. Its only bugging us because we all are used to it being the other way around. Now that its inverted it seems twice as jelly
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] CroW_D:
Well with all that touch issues you have I have it actually tho since OnePlus one to be true lol. But I can life with it. But those jelly I thought I am getting used to it and it becomes normal but nope not so far. Have to say it isn't that strong like in some videos to see. But it's begging me...
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ReyTheBoss:
Okey it's getting really confusing now

hey guys check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ8071Dptng

well appearently we still didn't crack that mistery yet ...

i definitely don't see a jello effect on his device , not even slightly

so what is it ?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ZakooZ:
What? I don't even know where to start, the current going through the LEDs isn't even DC it's AC at very high frequency because the pixels are switched very fast using a special type of transistor. They're not in series because that would mean 1 dead pixel would destroy entire rows, in fact they are all in paralel because they push electrical current from the top layer of the screen to a deeper layer. The SoC doesn't even control the panel directly, it only sends data to the panel according to the DSI standard.

The panel then handles the data it gets, which is an algorithm that looks like:

1. Start at row 0

2. Start at pixel 0

3. Lock the pixel (drain the storage capacitor?)

4. Write new data to the pixel (the pixel will keep the same color data until it is written to again)

5. Repeat 2-4 for every pixel

6. Repeat 1-5 for every row

7. Go to 1

It could technically be possible for the panel refresh direction to be inverted if the DSI standard has configuration bits which allow for such. The DSI standard is behind a register/pay wall, so I don't know.

Source:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US20070152217.pdf

https://www.mipi.org/specifications/display-interface

edit 1: On the first source, figure 1A is the structure for each individual pixel (subpixel?). Notice how transistor T1 is controlled by a 'pixel-select' data line (step 3 of the algorithm), and T2 is controlled by the voltage of the storage capacitor, which supplies the voltage for the LED to stay on even after the pixel has been unlocked.

edit 2: In fact, Xn and Yn in the picture are akin to the pixel coordinates (x,y)
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] BoboBrazil:
He got a free review unit. Review units might have been cherry picked.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] robertogl:
This is the real problem. We have to wait and hope that the standard allows the direction switch that we need. But I don't think so, they would have done weeks ago.

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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] NisseGurra:
Thanks, nice info.

The strange thing tho is that the panel update frequency is much higher than the "jelly" behaviour, it seems more that there are some software trick by oneplus to give an snappy device than went wrong when they mounted screen reversed. Anyone tried the various kernels to see if it reduces this "feature"
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChrisJ:
I didn't say it was. The refresh direction of the screen will be managed by the screen hardware/firmware. See the post above by NisseGurra.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] nadejo:
To be fair i've had the touch responsiveness issue with the preinstalled screenprotector on the op3t aswell qnd it settled after some weeks or months. I think the screenprotector migut be to thick or genarally a bad conductor ill give it some time and eventually buy a new screenprotector. The jelly effect is only bugging me when using the phone horizontaly (homebutton beeing on the right). When i start scrolling with the right thumb the lines look like they are slightly bending on the left. But i remember that ive noticed the opposite on the op3t but never complained about it as it was natural to me. Im still happy that ive bought it. And i dont want to send it back because as some of us already pointed out, there are chances of getting worse devices as replacement. Ofcourse my trust to oneplus is gonne by now. And i will wait some weeks next time before i order a new device.

For the rest. Its not possible to change the direction the screen is refreshing.

As much as you cannot make a led light glow inverting the poles.

We cannot raise the refresh rate of the panel naither which would lower the jelly effect as much as we cannot overclock the ram. Because its too risky and would probabbly cause issues. However we might be able to increase the amperage. But the only guy i know who is able to do this is arter97 as he provided voltage control for the pannel on the galaxy s6 on arter kernel.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ReyTheBoss:
NO NO NO NOT AT ALL he bough it for retail you can check his unboxing video !!

go back to his channel and check !
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
I'm not a reviewer and my device doesn't show the jelly effect.

I also bought it right after the presentation in 20 of June as the one in the review. "1st batch" also.

I'll try to make a video too.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ReyTheBoss:
so it means it is fixable by a software/firmware update right ?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ZakooZ:
Unknown, only OnePlus would have the documentation required to know if it's fixable.

Unless we can get our hands on "DSI Specification" or the datasheets of the specific panels, but I think all of those are confidential.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] nadejo:
Increasing the voltage of the pannel should increase the amperage. (The amount of energy that flows trough the pannel at each frame --> at 1/60 second) the more it flows the faster it will draw the frame. This doesnt mean it will increase the frame rate but it means it will draw the frame faster which will probably lead to larger frame pauses. Actually that small black stripe you see in the jelly videos going upwards and on other phones downwards is the gap where the panel switches to the next frame. This gap should become bigger at higher pannel voltage but therefore the jelly effect should be gonne. Also we must know how both framebuffers implementations interact with each other.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChrisJ:
Just no. This has nothing to do with voltage, current or polarity. Please just stop with this wild conjecture, it is helping nobody.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ZakooZ:
The refresh is most likely locked to a timer which is independant of the supply voltage. Should run at about 125 MHz (1920*1080*60) to apply stable 60 Hz refreshes. Every time the timer has a signal edge the next transistor is activated.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ReyTheBoss:
What we are doing here is pointless

what is the most efficient way to get this to OnePlus themselves ???

let's make sure we do that , that's how we'll have a chance of fixing it

*****ing about it and giving theories n suggestions and trying to break it down on our own won't solve ****
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] EVR_PR:
To be fair, after this whole issue exploded they only released a Hotfix update for people in the Netherlands with data issues. Ever since then, OP has gone silent. Who knows what the next update will include.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] nadejo:
As the current will allways flow from anode to kathode changing the direction is physicaly impossible. Maybe its possible to eliminate the jelly effect by generating a jelly effect in the opposite direction in the operating system but this would create a touch delay by at least two frames and would shrink device performance for the process of simulating the inverted jelly effect
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ZakooZ:
Doing some googling I found some some specifications for a samsung OLED panel

http://panelone.net/en/5-3-inch/SAMSUNG_AMS529BY03_5.3_inch-datasheet

The relevant part:

Our "driver ic"s are S6E3FA5 and S6E3FA6 as we already know

Moreover, it seems 'Reverse Scan' is the feature we need

Maybe we can use the website to find the exact panel model that is installed in the OP5? Seems to be different than "S6E3FA5 S6E3FA6", those seem to be the model numbers for the drivers, not the panel itself!
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Made a video with my sons Honnor 8 @ 60fps and I think I have it too a little :(

See for you self:

https://youtu.be/XKsg9lUnHJs

What do you think?

It's more noticeable in chrome websurfing for instance Amazon (didn't film it do).

This plus the constant problem of connecting to my wi-fi router and Devolo 1200 I think kills my hype with this phone that I love.

RMA is an option now for me :crying:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] RokRovan:
Hardly noticable.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChrisJ:
I can't actually tell if you are trolling or not now.

If you are then you are doing a great job . If you aren't then your grasp of electronics is really shocking.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Amazon in Chrome is more noticeable.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] nadejo:
Im not trolling.

The cathode is at the same time the minus pole, because the positively charged cations migrate there and are discharged, ie, reduced, with the absorption of electrons. The anode attracts the negatively charged anions during electrolysis, which is a plus pole.

At the bottom of the panel there is the substrate then comes the anode, then the conductive layer, then the emissive layer which is organic and then the kathode.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] shujin51:
I know how we can fix it. We need someone to program oxygen to be upside down and then use an app like rotation control to invert it. BAM issue fixed! Wait, nah! It wont work because that spot is still at the top xD
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] nadejo:
Its not the os which causes the issue. Its the panel. And i dont think an app will physicaly invert a panel ?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] shujin51:
I used that rotation app and tried scrolling through Instagram. No more jiggly ****....So oneplus did messed up
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] nadejo:
You mean you hold the phone upside down? If yes thats natural but still not a solution. And its still the panel. It just delays on the other side instead and you dont notice it.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] robertogl:
Well, turning around the phone works, because we use the panel like we used on the 3T. But yeah, this is not a solution.

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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChrisJ:
Nadejo, I'm not trying to insult here, really I'm not. However, despite all of the words in your post, none of them have any relevance or make any sense to this issue whatsoever. The actual behaviour of the individual pixels on the display matrix is completely irrelevant.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] shujin51:
I would have preferred when they mount it the right way cause I never pay attention to the bottom>_> What manufacturer in their right minds would mount hardware the wrong way. It's like someone trying to design a pc tower to have the motherboard mounted up side down which is totally retarded. I guess im returning my device until they find a solution ....I was so happy to get a new device after using the ONE for so long but oneplus just fking ignore the issue and pretend like it is normal. Fking Chinese and I am not racist cause I am Chinese by blood :P
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Used that app and noticed no dif.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] shujin51:
Do u hold ur device upside down? Cause that the purpose of this app so u can check if the bottom of ur device actually has this issue.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] gee2012:
Appearently OP is working on a software fix for the scrolling issue, scource (Dutch) https://www.allaboutphones.nl/oneplus-5-jelly-scrolling-scherm/.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] nadejo:
Some people were discussing about changin the current flow direction thats why i wrote this, sry :) i know its not possible to fix it. In theory its only possible to make it invisible to the user by generating an inverted jelly effect accross the userinterface of the system. But it would be totally pointless. As it would use allot of cpu/gpu load an generate touch delay.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] a g bell:
Please save me from the jelly trolls
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] shujin51:
If they don't they gonna make a huge MINUS this year. That's for sure!
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] cheesechocolate:
That's more like a wish than a fact.

That's not how big corporations work. Big corporations like OnePlus and Samsung are only concerned about their shareholders, at least in the short term.

In the short term, OnePlus will sell enough of these 5s and make their shareholders happy, despite some negative noise on the internet.

You have to remember what kinda customers we are. So many people didn't even return their Note 7s despite that things blowing people's faces apart.

This is just a puny glitch in comparison. All they need to do is come out with a statement saying they will fix it with an OTA update. They don't have to actually do it. They just have to say they will. That'll buy them enough time to work on the next generation of phone and when that phone launches, no one will give a crap about the 5....you're talking maybe six months here.

That's how big corporations think. That's how CEOs think.

You have to make the right kinda noise, suppress the wrong kinda noise, and when you can't do that, buy time to play the game again.

IMHO, nothing's gonna happen. They have sold you the phone and they have made their money. Now they have to focus on making the next gen of the phone so that they can sell you that too.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] shujin51:
If I were the CEO I wouldn't allow my product to launched in such a half assed way...That's embarrassing and will refrain users from buying early batches next year
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] B3501:
Except 99% of people aren't techs and won't notice any problems with the OP5, they might see it but not understand. The OP CEO doesn't care, he only wants to make money and will with the OP5.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] shujin51:
Too bad that xiaomi and oneplus are the only companies that sell budget phones with the latest snapdragon cpus....I would buy the mi6 if the screen would be bigger >_> I would also buy a google pixel but the price is still too damn expensive for a last year phone
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] cheesechocolate:
And if you do that as a CEO, you'll get the first kick in the balls from your CFO. That's why most CEOs don't act like you hypothetically would.

Think also as a shareholder. If I were the shareholder of OnePlus, I couldn't care less if few thousand units out of millions reported some glitch that could be dismissed or the users assured that something will be done. No need to actually waste my (the shareholders') resources, just say that you will and keep selling this model till you come up with the next generation update.

Everyone will forget Everything in six months.

You want proof? Just look at where Apple's stock is today. This after the latest port-less super expensive MacBooks and the monster of a featureless iPhone

As long as your marketing is good enough, such minor negative PR can always be tackled.

It's not a car that'll kill someone on the road if broken. It's not a battery that'll explode in your face. It's just a frigging jelly type scrolling on some units of an otherwise pretty solid phone.

They don't care. Now it's up to you whether you wanna pay them to be their guniea pig.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ady1976:
That's very true everybody will forget in 6 months however I'm not staying for the ride, i did that mistake with the nexus 5 with it's ****ty microphone issues, OP is not going to fix this issue, it's as bad as a mechanic fitting a tyre in the wrong rotation, unsubscribing from this thread now as I'm not interested in the OP5 anymore, good luck who are hanging on.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] PIPablo:
Sorry I do not write very well in English

Puede que el CEO de OnePlus no este equivocado. Explico: En el el mercado nos encontramos con 2 Oneplus 5, el que falla y el que no. El CEO de OnePlus dice: No hay problemas con la pantalla del OnePlus 5. Entonces puede ser que las pantallas que fallan no son de OnePlus 5, sino pantallas de OnePlus 3/3t, recicladas a fin de cumplir con los pedidos. Entonces si encontramos la manera de verificar que la pantalla de los OnePlus 5 sin fallas soportan la gama de colores DNI-P3 y las que fallan no lo soportan tendremos chances de devolver a OnePlus los telefonos con fallas.

English by Google

OnePlus CEO may not be wrong. Explain: In the market we find 2 Oneplus 5, the one that fails and the one that does not. The CEO of OnePlus says: There are no problems with the OnePlus 5 screen. Then it may be that the screens that fail are not OnePlus 5 but OnePlus 3 / 3t screens, recycled in order to fulfill orders. So if we find the way to verify that the screen of the OnePlus 5 without fail support the DNI-P3 color gamut and those that fail do not support it we will have chances to return to Failed phones to OnePlus.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
This is the worst time to be a phone geek lover :eek:

Passing the OP5 what is left for us to buy? ATM I only see garbage :crying:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] cheesechocolate:
Even worse if you're someone like me whose fallback options are an iPhone 5s and a first gen Moto E
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
I'm worst than you mate ... after selling the 3T ( which I regret baddly already ) I only have one Samsung Ace 3 :eek:

My requisites for a phone are:

- Amoled screen

- Audio jack

- Front finger scanner

- Snap 835

Sadly there is no alternative to OP5 atm.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ReyTheBoss:
Why are you looking for an alternative ?? think clearly man !!

that jello effect is reaaly not a problem ... and even tho it's unexpected but they might do something , just like the vibration motor of the 3 ! and again i say : it is not a problem ! it's a reaally slight thing !

and the only other thing about the phone that u could consider a prob is the camera ... and no , it is great , just needs some optimisation , and OP has confirmed several tiiimes that they will enhanced , and i'm pretty sure they will ! end of it !

OnePlus5 is still the best Geeky phone ever and i'm still loving it
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
I have alot of wi-fi connection issues too!
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ninguem98:
Burying your head in the sand won't solve anything. If it bothers someone (and it seems so), this jelly effect thing needs a fix.

And I don't understand the comparison with OP3 vibration motor. It is still weak .-.

Now... although camera is subjective, it seems that the consensus is that OP5 camera is not on par with current flagships, but, as you said, some updates might improve the quality.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ReyTheBoss:
Do you think Those won't get fixed along as well ?

Is this really a deal breaker for you ?

can't you get around it in anyway ?

it's your call bro ;)
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
As to camera, in low light I think 3T camera was better.

I see too many noise in the OP5 photos in medium to low light situations.

Never been a fan of dual cameras and for me it's a gimmick!

I would prefer a really good 1 camera instead!

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After I spent 559€ I can't understand bugs like this !!
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ReyTheBoss:
The vibration motor is waay better than the OP3's and it's actually one of the best

if the jelly effect annoys you the only thing to do is Send it back and looks somewhere else ... but yes i never said it doesn't need a fix , but if it doesn't ... and u don't find a better phone , what are you gonna do ?

the camera is indeed subjective and without software updates it doesn't match any flagship performance

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can't say you are wrong , but i feel like you are like me , that's why i'm saying this , we don't have another choice , so i'm doing my best to accept the OP5 , even though sometimes it looks like i'm kissing OP's ass
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rebel7022:
I love my 5 is awesome and I can't wait for official RR
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ReyTheBoss:
[MENTION=4118408]jvidia[/MENTION] now you see that's the spirit XD
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Yep ... it kills me seeing a nice phone like this being ruined by stupid things like a screen problem and wi-fi problem.

Both technologies should be so basic this days that if I was an OP CEO/boss I would be knocking my head against a wall right now!!

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RR ? :confused:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ReyTheBoss:
That's why we should accept the phone and hope to find great fixes ... it is not the 1st time the community faced a faulty prob nor it's the hardest one to manage , don't forget the phone is 10 days old now ... just give it sometime

;)

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Ressurection Remix ! it's a famous custom rom :)
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rebel7022:
Resurrection Remix