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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] teddyteddy92:
this thread is old, but i have running this on diamond!

i simply followed the guide on second page. In addition you must change the paths in bochssrc.txt to get the files from "internal storage" (you must change "\****\Bochs\BIOS-bochs-latest" to "\Internal storage\Bochs\BIOS-bochs-latest" or the name in your device, depending on language...and so on for the other paths)

Then start bochs and follow the tutorial and you will get win 95 running.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] joao12ferreira:
I have windows 3.1 running in my phone, it isn't useful, but sometimes i use it to play old games :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] anon1811:
@joao12ferreira:

Could you please explain how to do this and what hardware you are using?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] joeldemaj:
This version only works on old pda..2003SE below..so sad

its not support wm5 above
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] brewhoxs:
Me too without configuring to set display on 640x480 cause my device display are WVGA, then i edit bochsrc.txt to change config file:

display_library: rawout, options="divtwo"

Then i get only splash screen :(

Any advice?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Vukile:
I really would like to emulate XP on my PDA. especially if I get to do it via SD card.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
Hello guys, My name is Nemanja and I wrote that Serbian tutorial.

First of all don't be so sceptic about this. This is real Windows on PocketPC. It have been done years ago, and I just posted really good tutorial how to do this.

Windows 98 Extreme Edition (ex. Vista98) has been in phase of developement for about 3 months. It isn't done yet but it is still fun to use. Windows 95 is currently best running in Bochs (Boot time about 2 minutes). Windows XP runs reaaaally slow but it is running.

If you go to my Profile (profil) on elitesecurity.org (Best IT Serbian forum) you will see that I done some crazy x86 emulation on Pocket PC. For example using FUSION PC and Bochs I ran Mac OS 7.5.3 on Pocket PC. And I'm talking about full run, with colors and everything not black-white like in vMac.

If you would be interested I can translate my tutorial into English.

Pozdrav. (Bye.)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Vukile:
Please, put a link to everything we need on this forum.:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
It includes some piracy, am I Allowed to do that?!

Will do later. (it is 9:50 AM in my country)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
This Goes for Windows 95

Things thet you need:

VGA Pocket PC (Or you can run it on QVGA Device with Nydot Virtual Display)

Emulator Bochs ver. 2.3.5 (latest)

Total Commander CE / Resco Explorer

SE_VGA (In Serbian tutorial I sad this is needed but I discovered new way, and you don't need this.)

bochsrc.txt (I will give you that)

VGAKEY

Pocket Console

And I suggest WinRar because I pac my files in tar.gz archives.

Links are at the bottom of the page (they are 4shared)

1. Download PocketConsole and install it in you Internal Memory.

2. Download Total CMD/Resco Explorer and install it

3. Download VGA_KEY(or Resco Keyboard) and install it.

4. Download Bochsrc.txt and copy it to "/" so the path be like this : /<this is the place in which you place file>

5. Download Bochs 2.3.5 unpack it and install it to "/SD Card/Bochs" so the path be like this /SD Card/Bochs/<content of archive> (if you don't have SD Card PM ME)

6. Download Windows 95 image (nekifajlovi.tgz) and copy win95.img to "/SD Card/Bochs/" so the path to the file be like this " /SD Card/Bochs/<here is win95.img>

7. Switch you Pocket PC to Landscape mode.

8. Program one of your Hardware buttons to show you input menu when pressed - Keyboard"

9. Open Total Commander or Resco Ex. and go to /SD Card/Bochs/

10. Run bochs.exe file

11. Press 6 and Enter on VGA KEY

12. Turn on your VGA KEY and press FN two times. Then "F" buttons will show. Press F12 and then F5 (Mouse enable and fullscreen)

13. Windows 95 will now boot. (If it show some M$ error just press enter)

My folder on 4shared (Try my PianoNM, it is freeware program which lets you play piano on you device!) :

http://www.4shared.com/dir/4570212/fe2ec730/sharing.html

Try it!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Martinhdk:
NMILOSEV - GREAT.. Welcome to the FORUM.

I hope you will do some writing here as well as using some of the very skilled developers if you need any assistance. I am sure we are many that would find it great to run a downscaled XP on oru PDA´s. And the reason??

Because its possible....:):):)

Please post you developement status ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
Sure, thanks.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lungothrin:
thanks, worked on my tilt without any problem, just the pocket console that you have doesn't work. i uploaded one which works with wm6.

Edit:Be careful with Nyditot Virtual Display!!! the versions below 5.02 do NOT support wm6 and after a soft reset the device wont boot up if you changed it to 640x480 or 800x600. so get the latest version, AND remember that after installation, open the program and select the standard configuration then and close and reboot. and after that you can change the resolution safely! in general this program is very risky, so be careful with it.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Vukile:
In order to run '98 where could we get the img? What does point no.4 and 8 mean? I did all these steps but nothing happens.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
Windows 98 runs slowly but I can upload image if you really want it...

4. You download file Bochsrc.txt file from my folder and copy it to root of your device - /

8. Go to Settings > Buttons and then select some button and make it show keyboard when pressing it. (Select Input Menu from dropdown list)

lungothrin - I did not have any Console problems on 2003SE but thanks. Any information about spped and usability?

Bye.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Vukile:
My fascination with '98 was because it could be skinned like XP. Could we do the same with '95? Do I create a special folder for the img file or does it sit directly in the Bochs folder?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
Put the image in Bochs folder. I will upload win98 image tommorow.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lungothrin:
well, it is very slow, but that is becuase of Bochs which is a very slow simulating program. The speed is the same on any device, as i saw many discussions about this on other forums.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
Yeah it is slow. Try removing cpu:ips=15000000 line from Bochsrc.txt. Then it should work faster.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Midget_1990:
Hi, what is the geometry of your OS7.5 img? or do you ahve the BOCHSRC.TXT for it?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] frenchglen:
This is the most interesting thread I have seen on XDA for a while. For me, I will definitely try it one day if/when it becomes useful for what I do.

I'll just sit back, watch and enjoy the show... :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mikeeey:
ive followed these steps but im not quite sure what ive done wrong. when i launch the .exe nothing pops up, nothing happens.

im using an AT&T tilt with nydot virtual display. ill keep checking over my steps.

are we supposed to unzip the windows 95 image or leave it zipped? i unzipped mine, im not sure why its working
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lungothrin:
because the pocket console that you have installed from nmilosev post is not for wm5 and wm6. i have posted the proper pocket console(MS console) in last page, post #28.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] klmsu19:
this is interested but how well will it really run even on 128mb/256mb ram/rom
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Martinhdk:
Well. I guess mem card and a perhaps a downscaled version of XP is the answer.

Perhaps this should be tried:

http://www.litepc.com/xplite.html

"The latest developments in XPLite now see clean installations of Windows XP in under 350MB and Windows 2000 approaching less than 200 MB (excluding paging file) with much smaller memory requirements! These sizes are obtained simply by running XPLite/2000Lite on a fresh install of windows. Enterprising developers should easily be able to strip out additional log files, INF files and unused drivers to reduce the footprint by another 50MB or so. If your goal is to run a dedicated task in as little storage as possible - then look no further than XPlite."

Anyone ever tried this??
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
I did, and it is very slow...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Vukile:
How do you disable the virtual display on the startup? It leaves my screen stuck at the bootscreen.

EDIT: had to hard reset just to get rid of tha display crap.Pissed off:mad:. Forget emulation, this is what I meant.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] rickwyatt:
could someone upload win98 or winxp plz thanks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
2rickwyatt:

I will upload it...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] rickwyatt:
thank you when will you upload it?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] HDuser:
Never. Please be kind enough to respect the rules of this forum.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] rickwyatt:
i didt mean on xda developers i meant here

EDIT Mod - Link removed
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] HDuser:
We also dont post links for comercial products on this site unless it is a link to the offical site.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] palmbluetooth:
Hello nmilosev, thanks for your post I was looking for a long time for something like this.

I have a problem when I run bosch file it starts running and than tells me there is no enough memory (I'm trying to run it on a Hermes with 8gb sd card), what I'm doing wrong?

Please help...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
Hi, PalmBluetooth, it does not matter how much free storage memory you have. Go to Settings, system, memory and adjust the glider so you have at least 9mb of free program memory.

Windows 98SE image specialy designed for Pocket PCs only 150MB, it have games, paint, wordpad. I ripped Internet Explorer and some (for Pocket PC) useless software.

Download (97MB, be gratefull I have 64Kbit upload speed, it includes bochsrc.txt follow the tutorial for Windows 95, page 3) :

http://rapidshare.com/files/87099290/BochsWin98SE_EN_image.tgz.html

Next thing I want to do is remake the Windows95 image so it fits in 50MB.

Bye.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] palmbluetooth:
Hi, thanks for the quick reply, I got it to go past that, but now I get a PANIC error, do you know what to do about this?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lungothrin:
I have a 66 MB image, if you want it just let me know.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Martinhdk:
How far are Xp from being able to run
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
Cool, please send me link. (I supose you instaled Windows 95 with minimal mode and then deinstalled IE with IEridicator)

PalmBluetooth, please send capture of screen or write the entire >>PANIC<< message. I suppose you copied contents on CF Card of yours... That is just mine thinking :rolleyes:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
Oh, it runs but it really runs slow. It is almost unusuable. I will experiment with XPLite software and see if can get something.

Thank you all for replies.

Bye from Serbia. (BTW, Serbian tennis player Novak Đoković won Austarilan Open today! NAPRED NOVAK!!! (GO NOVAK!))
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Martinhdk:
YEEEZZZ.. Great NMilosev. Get into that XP kitchen and do some serious bizznezz.. hehe.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
LOL. Sure I will!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Vukile:
Embedded?:) I dont care if I have to remove the entire OS if it means I get to run a real pocket pc.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Rudegar:
problem is that it will always be emulation so there is only soo much speed to be gained

the x86 cpu is more generaly powerfull then the arm's
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Vukile:
Even with the 9MB sized version I linked to in my other post(No. 42)? That looks promising,even from an emulator standpoint.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Rudegar:
i'm not saying that it will always be unusably slow only that it will never be faster then on a x86 based
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mikeeey:
actually i was using the pocket console that you uploaded..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
2Vukile:

I ll do my best to make it as you mentioned.

2Rudegar:

You are partly right, but no one expects it to be fast as real PC. To me, even half speed of average PIII would be more than enought.:p
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Vukile:
The XP on the tablet PCs uses a touchscreen, maybe that version of the OS should be ported.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
That would be very complicated, I m sorry. No Go. :o
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mikeeey:
ok i got it to run now, but it just stays at a black screen that looks like this:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lungothrin:
do you see windows 95 splash screen before the black screen?

sometimes it takes more than 1 min to boot up. just wait and see what happens.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
I see the toolbox did not load. Try freeing more memory or running in safe mode (PocketPlus, or Pocket Breeze).

SOON!:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lungothrin:
Here you go. Link
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
Thanks. As you can see I resized 98 even more!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
Hey I just downloaded this and I think it is not working. Autodetection of Geometry failed and WinImage cant read file.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lungothrin:
I have the 98 with size of 16MB!, but it's not an image. you have to run it with DOS( PocketDos with ms dos 7.0) i have never tried it. but some people tried it and it worked fine.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lungothrin:
what numbers did you use in Bochsrc.txt for cylinders, heads, spt?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Vukile:
So you didnt have to go through the bochs process, you just ran your '98 from within PocketDOS? Can you use sendspace/zshare/mediafire please?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lungothrin:
well, i got it to work, use this as your bochsrc.txt: (note: this was done with bochs 2.1.1, so you may get some errors about parameters, but dont worry it will boot up properly, and another thing is that the language is in russian which i dont understand. i think i got this from a russian forum a long time ago.)

display_library: win32

romimage: file="\Storage Card\bochs\BIOS-bochs-latest"

megs: 8

vgaromimage: "\Storage Card\bochs\VGABIOS-lgpl-latest"

ata0: enabled=1, ioaddr1=0x1f0, ioaddr2=0x3f0, irq=14

ata1: enabled=0, ioaddr1=0x170, ioaddr2=0x370, irq=15

ata2: enabled=0, ioaddr1=0x1e8, ioaddr2=0x3e0, irq=11

ata3: enabled=0, ioaddr1=0x168, ioaddr2=0x360, irq=9

ata0-master: type=disk, path="\Storage Card\bochs\Win95.img", mode=sparse, cylinders=203, heads=16, spt=63

boot: disk

ips: 1000000

floppy_bootsig_check: disabled=0

log: bochsout.txt

panic: action=ask

error: action=report

info: action=report

debug: action=ignore

debugger_log: -

vga_update_interval: 250000

keyboard_serial_delay: 250

keyboard_paste_delay: 100000

floppy_command_delay: 50000

mouse: enabled=1

keyboard_mapping: enabled=0, map=
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] neptune:
first off this is a very interesting thread...been a while since i've tried something new with my ppc. To get this to work I noticed that my storage card is not named SD Card....im guessing this will fix that issue...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lungothrin:
You have to install MS Dos 7.0 with pocket dos. then you have to run it under MS dos. i'll upload both of them soon.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lungothrin:
yep, you have to put your exact name of storage card in the path (e.g SD card, Storage card ...)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] neptune:
cheers, ima test it out right now
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] neptune:
i seem to get an error

error with sparse disk image \Storage Card\bochs\win95.img failed header magic check

can n e 1 shed some light on this error

edit:nvm, i guess ill just use win98 instead
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] tom_codon:
@ nmilosev : i tried in QVGA screen.It very big for QVGA screen.Possible anyway get it run normal in QVGA screen ???

If have any method to get it show normal in QVGA sceen.Please put here

Thanks for hard work.It really interester :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] anichillus:
Interesting thread :D

Okay, so I got 95 working on my almost dead HTC Wizard. Only thing that annoys me is the freaking mouse. I made some changes here and there in the BOCHSRC.txt.

I downloaded a touchpad driver and now i'm adding it to the img. Fingers crossed :D

One thing i have to say is that the virtual display is eating most of the speed.

I noticed that when switching from different zoom lvls.

Other thing, almost forgot. Why don't you use latest bochs 2.3.6 ?

I'm not expert and i can't port the 32 version to run on my device...and not a linux guy either :(

P.S. My device also has QVGA but i have to say that after some headaches with virtual display i managed to make it work perfect. All the screen is displayed ok now.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hlpdt10:
i try in my exec but it didn't work....when i run BOCHS.exe there is nothing happen.....may be may storage card not sd card...i tried to change part in bochsrc.txt but still not work...sbd help me plz..now i'm using wm06
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
2lungothrin :

I know about that, but it is almost unpossible to install some new programs in it...

Image file isn t working, it might be download error.

2neptune & everyone else who does not have SD Card. Go to notepad, edit, replace in first text box enter SD Card and in the second enter name of the card to which you copied files.

2tom_codon : Try using Nydot Virtual Display. It is recommended to use it with QVGA screen.

2anichillus:

I m glad it worked for you, what kinda of problems with mouse do you have?

It will be very nice to upload compiled Bochs 2.3.6. but it is more difficult that it seems. I ve tried compiling it but mouse is not working and there are bad file errors. I will wait for Russian developer GreateVK to port 2.3.6

2hlpdt10: Try using Pocket Console for WM6, page 3 or 4. Read entire thread.

I will upload 36MB Windows image as soon I get back from school.

Cheers.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] anichillus:
Well, the mouse problems i mentioned :

-sometimes it goes too fast. Meaning that i slightly drag it just a little and it moves way more

-sometimes I have to drag it for 5-10 times or even more to get from left to right for example

-and probably the most annoying thing is that i have to drag it and then click or double click a hardware button. Can't we make it somewhat touchscreen friendly?

I successfully installed the touchpad driver but this is not windows problem but Bochs.

Anyway, can't wait for the 98 image. And please tell me how do you work on it? How can one edit the oem ?

I am not talking about opening the image with winimage and adding or removing files blindly there :)

Other question, i have an 23 MB Win95 install kit from floppy disks. Is there a way of converting that into an .img ? If so, how to do it?

I tried installing it on an WmWare emulator..but something doesn't work nice :) and i don't know yet what.

Thanks !
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hlpdt10:
i can run win95 on my exec now...thanks..but the speed is too slow...and may be i want the mouse more friendly...how can i "rightklick"? my exec have 64mb ram but in win95 we have only 8mb ram....can we improve of ram?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] anichillus:
The amount of memory can be adjusted by BOCHSRC.txt

However...you say that it is slow ? You don't even need to use Virtual Display and it's still slow ? That's sad news :(
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hlpdt10:
i dont know how to config cho improve the speed....and if i want to install some soft for win95..how can i do that..thanks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] wahkiz:
Hey i tried doing all the steps . running wm5 eten m600. bochs tells me there's no memory when my program memory is 28.5mb
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
2nichillus : Mouse is still in beta phase so dont expect it to get better. If you can please upload your 95 install disks, and Ill try my best to make them work good. Windows 98 (36MB) image is in process of uploading.

2hlpdt10 : Try putting "megs: 16" or "megs:24" instead of "megs :8" (without quotes). Right click isnt possible. (for now).

2wahkiz :try putting some smaller amount off memory (It is WM Problem) make it so you have only 10megs.

Greets.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
Windows 98 Micro Edition

EVERYTHING IS RIPPED OFF. Only program left is notepad!

It uses some of Windows 95 files!

Download (16MB, 40MB unpacked, I LOVE TGZ!:))

http://rapidshare.com/files/87326232/microwindows.tgz.html

Let me know your problems.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Vukile:
I hate Rapidshare. It says Im busy downloading a file and I need to wait......What file?!!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
http://mihd.net/fwkesz
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Vukile:
Thanks:):)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nmilosev:
No prob. I looove mihd mirrors!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] docnas:
@ anichillus

Do you mind posting all the changes/ different things u did from the origional instructions posted?? I have a wizard and want to try it on it ( not for any speecific reason but just because its cool )
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hlpdt10:
thanks for all...i'll test this....
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] anichillus:
1. Download PocketConsole (link)

2. Download VGA_KEY and install it.

3. Download Bochsrc.txt and copy it to "/" (I also edited it to write "Storage Card" instead of "SD Card")

4. Download Bochs 2.3.5 unpack and copy it to "/Storage Card/Bochs"

5. Download Windows 95 image (nekifajlovi.tgz), extract and copy win95.img to "/Storage Card/Bochs/"

6. Download and install Nydot Virtual Display(at least v 5,02) and set it on 640x480 Landscape

7. Program one of your Hardware buttons to show you input menu(the VGA Keyboard) when pressed

8. Open explorer. and go to /Storage Card/Bochs/

9. Run bochs.exe file

10. Press 6 and Enter

11. Turn on your VGA KEYBOARD and press FN two times. Then "F" buttons will show. Press F12 and then F5 (Mouse enable and fullscreen)

12. Windows 95 will now boot. (If it show some M$ error just press enter)

http://www.4shared.com/dir/4570212/fe2ec730/sharing.html

But USE the link to Pocket Console from 1.

I hope it covers pretty much any question.

Good luck ! :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Vukile:
Last time I changed anything in Nydot I had to hard reset. I didnt change anything except edit the txt file to say Storage Card instead of SD Card. Do the old school keyboard commands for Start Menu and other functions work on this img (Ctrl+Esc,etc)? I cant believe they never made PDAs like this in the first place. This img is slow, but its an exciting start. In fact, my criteria for my next handset will have to be something that can support a full OS while still fitting in my pocket.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] :
Fantastic!!!

nmilosev,

You are real talant!

Win95 work on Qtek 9000 very well!!!

And buil-in qwerty keyboard of Qtek work as well in Win95!!!

How we can set up network connection with gprs or wi-fi on Win95?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Aqrab:
very very intersting

anyone tryed

anichillus

steps ????
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] seifip:
Upcoming HTC devices with Qualcom's 1Ghz mobiel processor set to be released in 2009 is probably what you'r waiting for ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Aqrab:
is there any way to make this work fullscreen in QVGA
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mikeeey:
fullscreen QVGA would be nice...maybe a zoom features in bochs or something?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] chunga168:
what can be the possible benefits of running XP on your PPC?

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of having Windows Mobile which is designed for mobile?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Aqrab:
here a snapshot from my smartphone hahahahah