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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] a g bell:
If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound oh wise one?think before you answer ?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] zathus:
I don't doubt it's there but I don't see it. Eyes are different. We see things differently.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] BoboBrazil:
Confucius say OnePlus 5 has its jello, but not everyone sees it.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] JhinCuatro:
Don't know if its even real or not. People claim it's real, regardless of whether or not it's there. On a video where it isn't observable, people claimed to have seen it. Starting to think this is just pure horse****. My oneplus 5 doesn't have it, but if someone claims to see it I know they're bull****ting.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] phloston6:
To anyone that claims their phone does not produce the jelly effect: Please make a video doing some slow scrolling through a webpage or Instagram or something. The key is slow scrolling. I'm still on the fence about this purchase. Really curious to see if every phone is affected or if there is some delta on the way the screens behave.

BTW, I've inverted my screen on my Note3 and can't seem to produce any sort of jelly effect.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
What's the screen Panel ID (see in AIDA64) are you guys are receiving lately and do you notice the jelly thing in it?

The initial batch had s6e3fa3 and s6e3fa5 panels.

Anyone has a different one yet?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] faizul134:
Mine have also. But when I upside down the phone, there is no jello/wavy effect. But in normal position it occurs.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Goronok:
My 8/128 has a s6e3fa5 screen with no perceivable jelly
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] setheleh:
Can you please post a screen capture video slow\fast scrolling ?

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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Goronok:
Don't have a second device to capture. Sorry.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Can you please tell us what's your panel ID ?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] joho5:
If you turn any oled screen upside down on any phone and scroll up (it would actually be down, but the phone is flipped), it does it on 100% of phones I have checked. Its not on some, and not on others. The screen is upside down and it is there.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] faizul134:
My panel ID is s6e3fa5
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] toniling310:
i picture tells u what is jello effect: just swiping up an down u will find it what it is talking about , the upper part always recover much slower than bottom part

u can test it on your other phone you will see the opposite.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Anyone has a diferent panel ?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] BoboBrazil:
I think there was a panel with this model that had a 6 at the end also.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Archer:
Mine doesn't do it, and neither does my friend's (mine is the 64GB and his is the 128GB version). I've seen one video of something horrific looking and my phone 100% does not do that. If you can show how to reproduce it 100% of the time then I'll post a video of my phone not doing it (or be proven wrong).
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] robertogl:
You can do like the video with the Twitter app.

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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] panhansx:
Yeah, break your legs and you will see you cant walk anymore! That logic!

Fact is everyone has this effect but its very subtile. If you dont notice it... Fine other wise live with it or send the phone back.

The whole thread is just about how to reproduce this effect. And people that say that they dont see it. On every single page like a never ending story. Come on guys!

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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Abhi Dahiya:
Agreed, even i can see it really bad in some of the youtube reviews. Even when they scroll in something like app tray, it's so damn visible.

But in some, i just can't see it, no matter how the phone is being scrolled.

I believe some panels have better performance and mask the jelly issue pretty fine, making it hardly noticeable. Amoled panels have quite a bit of inconsistency like color point, saturation etc and that's the reason why it's very visible in some and hardly visible in others. It's there in every unit, because refresh is happening upside down in every unit but some units r masking it very well.

Such inconsistencies are not really seen in lcds through
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chaplan:
On IPS panels you get the same jelly effect.

The effect is actually a misinterpretation from our brain, due to the fact that the refresh is made on flip-flop way and our vision persistency will trick us to see it, or not, regarding of the scan direction.

Visual persistency is what helps us perceive motion pictures continuously, the basics of Cinema per say.

I have turned my computer screen upside-down and i "can see" a great deal of jelly on scrolling, it's always present no matter what, be it AMOLED, IPS.

It's the inverted assembly OnePlus made that critically made it so "visible" on this device.

I see no way of masking it to be honest, either OnePlus acknowledges this as a true and real problem and finds a way to make it right or the users who are more prone to feel the jelly effect are doomed.

I have found people that can't tell the difference and it makes sense to me.

Not everyone has the same visual accuracy, and when senses enter the equation there is no way to tell how every individual sees, hears, feels...

It might be a bit subjective but to me it's there, and in a big way, when i flip any device i have tried to replicate this "jelly effect" on.

On the videos most people will see it more clearly because they are not interacting with the device to make it happen, and in slo-mo footage it becomes quite obvious.

Lets not forget that a video is a captured representation, recorded and played out, and it is different from what we actually see on site.

We could also make the shutter roll the culprit on this video scenario vs real scroll on a device, but a simple scroll will not trick shutter roll to such an extent.

This has been a minimised problem over the media, most reviewers say its minimal.

For me this effect is actually a defect.

For me this is the real no go factor on the OP5, and its sad.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
AMEN! :highfive:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Archer:
I have done, on both mine and my friend's and neither of us have the problem.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
I may buy it for the 2nd time to see if it's a screen lottery or not.

If it does, returned it will be in the next day!
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] robertogl:
Video?

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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Archer:
Give me a link to the video you were talking about, just to be sure we're talking about the same thing. And why do you want me to post a video?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] robertogl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2X50k9Bj9Y

You have said some hours ago that you'll post a video of your phone...
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Badassian:
I don't have a OP5, but when I rotate my screen on my Oppo Find 7 180 degrees and on my old Moto G 2nd Gen and start scolling up and down ANYWHERE, I can see the jelly effect. I know other people have tried this already on other phones, but just thought I would give my two cents with my phones. I think Chaplan's post #1053 is correct. It's inherent in IPS screens (and I think if we had a greater sample size, on ANY screen) that if you virtually rotate what's on the screen to display 180 degrees around, you will see inconsistent refresh rates, or rates that are we are not used to.

So it all boils down to Oneplus' decision to rotate the screen just to save space on the bezels. It clearly is an oversight that Oneplus is not willing to admit and no amount of software updates will fix this.

At least I know that my next device WON'T be a OP5

Although I am curious, has anyone tried to rotate the screen on the OP5 180 degrees AGAIN and see if the jelly scrolling is still present? Because that will literally rotate the screen back to "normal" so to speak right?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
What phone are you interested then?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Badassian:
I would go with the XZ premium since the interface is probably just as smooth if not smoother than the OP5 and it has a microsd card, which is another thing that stops me from getting the OP5.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Isn't the Sony software weak?

Also the price is higher no?

EDIT:

looked at XZ Premium .... Jesus those bezels LOL :cyclops:

really ugly :(
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Badassian:
You're right about the price. But for 3 years, I've used a chinese made phone (Find 7) and now I know that although the build of Chinese phones rivals the big names like Samsung, their overall device support SUCKS. The OP5 is a great phone, but now a few weeks after release, problems just keep showing up like the screen, the camera being lackluster, that 999 dialing glitch, cheating on benchmarks etc. The phones just gives me a bad impression at this point.

From the reviews I've seen, the Sony software is extremely close to stock Android, and Sony is fantastic at updating their devices (the Z3 is still being updated to nougat!) and I've lurked around the Z5 and XZ forums and dev support is strong with lots of AOSP Lineage OS based roms available.

edit: The bezels are large, but I find that a good thing, since I can grasp the phone at the bezels.

The other option in my mind is the Xiaomi Mi6, but again, I'm afraid of the software support and quality. The dev support for this device is not the strongest (although there is a lineage OS rom build available)
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
4K isnt it overkill?

(sorry for the off topic :D )
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Badassian:
I watched Erica Griffin's review of the XZ premium and she describes 4K like seeing out a window when viewing 4K video. Some people will see the difference, some won't, but I would rather gamble on my ability to see beautiful 4K content rather than noticing jelly scrolling hehe

Yeah we are off topic lol

edit: if you don't mind the software, I think the MI6 is a great alternative to the OP5 and it's cheaper. If the Mi6 had better dev support, I would buy it instantly.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
As we are talking on OP5 alternatives (off topic again :p ) .... I also like the Honor 8 Pro but the "eMMC 5.0 instead of UFS 2.1 novel" drove me away :(

Don't really know what to buy atm.

I think I'm going to risk a 2nd try with the OP5. :fingers-crossed:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Badassian:
Yeah, tbh, this year is not the best for smartphones. It seems like all smartphones I consider are either 1. too expensive or 2. have too many problems. Maybe I've become more picky lol

I wouldn't buy from Huawei, their software is even worse than Xiaomi imo. Battery life on their phones are not the best, except for the Mate 9.

I'm just disappointed. If it wasn't for the screen, I wouldn't mind buying the OP5
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Abhi Dahiya:
Observed a really weird thing today...

I ended up using my xiaomi phone upside down for a few hours (Xiaomi software supports 180 rotation in majority of apps) and jelly effect wasn't perceivable after a bit of time passed But after i switched back to normal position, i was seeing Jelly effect even in normal position. WTH !

I am thinking if our eyes can really adapt to how a screen behaves after a certain period of time ?

And of course it differs person to person. One may adapt very fast, one may adapt very late. Some don't even see it
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Archer:
Fine. 100% fact it does absolutely nothing like that video. I'll post a video later.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] a g bell:
Mine is nothing like that video too, that is a crazy exaggerated piece of fiction . Anyone who thinks OnePlus released a phone that scrolls like that is seriously deluded or just trying justify to themselves downgrading to an s8.

I would once again suggest to anyone reading this troll thread to go and try the phone for yourself and see how it scrolls in reality.Posting a video of this is for all intense and purposes is pointless.The device recording the video may or may not show a true representation of what you actually see.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] gunnerhk:
I think people need to state their panel id when they say they see or don't see the jelly effect.

Considering there are people who don't see the jelly at all, there may be different versions. Or maybe the effect is more pronounced in some versions.

It could also depend on the software you use often. Some GUIs may make the effect stand out.

I think a similar debate took place with the rainbow effect on plasma tvs and dlp projectors. Some people saw it, and once you see it you can't unsee it.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Batfink33:
"downgrading to an S8" *facepalm*.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] EsteBandido4444:
the jelly scrolling is noticeable, but it's not annoying at all.

the only dislike I have about this phone is not cutting the right corners.

Seriously, 8 gigs of RAM, and an upside-down display.

I wish resources went for better software support than having the "best" hardware out there. (i.e. apple, 2 GB of RAM. However, iOS has never behaved laggy)

FHD is the perfect corner to cut regarding YouTube's 1440p glitch when watching videos on MarshMallow
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] a g bell:
Yes this is what l meant ?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] invinciblecc:
Yea seriously that video is damn exaggerated... Just for the sake of it I'll make one of my phone and post... I think I might have a slight jelly effect but I don't care.... The phone is awesome and yes... You can unsee it even after seeing it... You just have a need to forget about this thread... Cos there's others on xda.. Haha....
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] chazarss:
Panel id = s6e3fa5

i dont see any jello effect
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Abhi Dahiya:
Here is a Oppo R11 indian unboxing video ->

[youtube]qGZpR67EIAk[/youtube]

As R11 is a twin of OnePlus 5, was curious to see if it has same jello effect and yes, it has! See where the reviewer scrolls through Antutu app, it's clearly visible.

If even Oppo has been unable to correct it after all the OP5 debacle, i think we should really give up on any solution present whatsoever for this issue.

And for all this ****, no one else but Oppo is responsible. OP has been picking up Oppo phones as reference for designing their phones and Oppo messed it up this time, iphone copy, upside down screen.

And not to mention OP was stupid enough to blindly copy Oppo setup without giving in their own thought :mad:

Edit - So this jello effect is visible in this full blown Android Authority R11 review too

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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Batfink33:
Poor design from Oppo and then poor that One Plus didn't fix it. They don't care about the consumer only that they sell a lot of phones and make money. Remember Oppo and thus One Plus are one of the biggest mobile companies in the world and this shouldn't be happening. People can dismiss it and say they can't see it but it's there and it's a bad design fault that makes Oppo and One Plus look like poor companies.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] toniling310:
i feel oxygen 4.5.6 has gotten it fixed/better.... can someone confirm? looks like screen refreshing rate has increased
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
If true that is wonderful news :highfive:

I can only test it when my units arrives next week.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Batfink33:
It was only a fix for the 911 bug.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] toniling310:
ok guess i was wrong:(
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] AcmE85:
Wrong thread, please delete :)
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ricksrod:
There is no change in this release for me, the jello effect is the same as before.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Jack123hello:
iphone lags as well. I've using 6s for a while and there is a noticeable lag when switching between apps that are loaded in RAM. What you see when you jump back to the opened apps are just screenshots and they're not fully loaded (you can't interact with the apps).
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Gu$houn*:
Hello,

just got mine OP5 6/64 today, screen panel ID is s6e3fa5 and the jelly effect is present and it's real deal breaker for me because I can see it everywhere.

P.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
My advice to you .... return it asap! :(

My OP5 8GB will arrive in two days, and if it displays the jelly effect too noticeable it will go back the next day.

I'll be sad but I wont keep a defective device just because it's fast!
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Gu$houn*:
Yeah, I know. Actually I am going to order another one right now if the problem persists, what do you think, is it worth trying it or not?

P.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] robertogl:
Every op5 had the same display, so..

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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Gu$houn*:
So it depends on the eyes of the owner and mine are apparently good ... so return it is.

P.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] robertogl:
Exactly.

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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Yes every OP5 has the same type of display and it is mounted upside down in all, but there aren't 2 Amoled screens equal and I think that is contributing to make some people see the problem and anothers don't.

Also I think each people is different and have different sensitivities.

If you wanna try another copy, what you can do is to try a replacement but I advise you not to say the problem is the jelly effect because OP doesn't recognize it as a problem and will not swap it for another copy.

You must make up another "problem".

The best option for me is to simply return it in the 15 day period after you receive it and then buy another.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Gu$houn*:
Yeah, I know, I would just purchase another one and inbetween start the return process for the first one. :D

Maybe I'll try that, just to see the result ...

P.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
This one is my 2nd OP5, and if it is not OK I think I'll never buy from OP again.

Sad but true...
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Gu$houn*:
Yeah, that's exactly how I feel it, I just order another one 6/64 and if it will be also jelly I'll return it as well and we're done here.

P.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] DSF:
When will u receive the device?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Estimated delivery: Jul 27, 2017
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Manchue:
My 6gb variant is suffering from this issue, to a VERY bad degree. Absolutely ridiculous. Wish I got the 3T instead. Feel nauseous using this phone.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Are you still in the "15 trial day period"? If so, just return it. :good:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Manchue:
I honestly don't know if my store will take it back. They have a no-refunds policy with locally bought devices. It's going to depend on how I can explain the issue and convince them it's not a feature. I just got this thing today, and will see if they'll take it back tomorrow. Problem is I need a new phone and don't know I can risk getting another OP5.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Why didn't you buy directly from OP?? :eek:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Manchue:
By not having 500€ in my pocket. I live in Finland, and got the phone from a carrier over 36 months.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Jesus ... bad move man. :(
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Batfink33:
Yikes, unlucky.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] BoboBrazil:
5T will be in a few months with fixed panel. Just wait ?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] DSF:
Hope not, it would make us not too happy :-s
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] a g bell:
Yeah and it will be free too?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Abhi Dahiya:
Seeing how OP5 has unfixable jelly screen issue, i bet OP will release 5T with all fixes, few improvements/updates and polishing around...

And since they don't have half yearly release cycle like others, so to keep the hype and momentum going on they will make sure to release a 5T
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] BoboBrazil:
They released 3T. I don't see why they wouldn't come with 5T in November. Only 4 months away.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] a g bell:
Seeing how many op5 units they have sold l don't think so. Also wasn't the t used to replace the 4 number due to some Chinese superstition surrounding it. So l doubt there will be 5t most probably it will be a 6 at a later stage.

But again who knows with OnePlus
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] snippem:
And why would they do that they not even officially admitted that the screen upside down caused the so called yelly effect.

Also this phone is on the market for about 2 months and oh boy did they raised high expectations and when this does not come true you get about 100 pages like in this thread.

Makes you think what will be wrong with the 5t probably. More and more users will complain because again they make promises that will not be met for some.

Then again no yelly effect at all here but hey there was already decided here that luckily my brains does not notice this:)

For me the whole problem is like why fix something that ain't broken.

People see something on YouTube and so on and they want to see something sure there are units with this problem no doubt.

But what I have seen from people that make vids and you do not see a thing makes you wonder.

Screens are mass produced and I am sure there will be some inconsistencies but not as bad as shown in some YouTube vids.

Maybe there was a bad batch of displays or maybe units were not working as it should I think we will never know.

It's not only oneplus it's name that is involved Samsung is equally to blame do you really think oneplus did not ask if it would matter how to place a screen.

The only thing what oneplus seriously screwed up are there mindless Twitter messages and statements.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Abhi Dahiya:
Even OP3 sold in good numbers, yet they came out with 3T despite OP3 having no hardware flaws. And here we have an obvious hardware flaw to be corrected.

And no, 3T had nothing to with 4 being a bad number in China. 3T was just a small update and never meant to be a completely new phone, so it was an improved variant of 3. Just like how many other brands do too. Adding 's', 'x', to incremental updates.

OP4 name was for this year's OP5 but since 4 is ominous, they went with 5.

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We have already discussed what causes jelly issue, so no points in discussing that anymore.

OnePlus had to deny this jelly issue somehow because, it can't be corrected without a hardware revision. Why would they accept it ? Isn't it better for them to call it 'normal' and get away, rather than recalling so many phones and send new hardware revision batches ?

If they deny it, doesn't mean the issue is not there. It is there, and is to be corrected, and only way is a 5T.

You will see, only 4 months left