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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] dotocan:
Well, how much experience do you have with photography? And do you look at your photos only on your phone or did you try looking at them on a larger screen, like 24+ inch monitor? You can look at good and bad photo on a phone side by side and not see much of a difference, but put it on a larger surface and you start noticing a ton of differences.

Also, people who don't care too much about the photography or didn't try a ton of good phones and cameras usually can't tell if the camera is bad and they will like it because they can't compare with thousands of other photos they've seen.

Same thing applies to various other stuff. Take my friend for example, who always uses Samsung phones. He never tried using something with cleaner android like Pixel or OnePlus and he doesn't get it why I say that samsung phones lag. He just can't see that lag because he is pretty much used to it and he didn't have the chance to compare it to something else.

Can you provide samples of those awesome pics you took? I'm interested mostly in those with low light.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] gREENNNNN:
Here you go:

And this one with low light (very low, 19:00 in spain, 2 much clouds, no artificial light inside the building)

PD: you can notice some mistakes on the 1st pano due to my bad hand pulse (sorry for my english :P)
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Batfink33:
The darks are losing their detail and blacks are being crushed. The last pic you posted in the church is especially bad for loss of detail. Look at this pic from the S8 for example. There's clear detail in the shadows and dark areas and no blacks are being crushed.... View attachment 4197775
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Eric214:
I'm an enthusiast photog so if I need pro style pics I'll just get my Nikon. The OP5 camera is more then fine for 98% of users. People are just ridiculous over these phone cameras. I just got my phone yesterday and took about 40 pics in both good light and low light. It was as good as my 6P in good lighting and almost as good in low light. I don't worry about 4k video usually, I record in 1080p normally since I don't own anything with a 4k display. I know it's still a little sharper on an FHD screen but not by a lot.

Plus I'm sure they can add EIS to 4k in an update if they choose. If you can stabilize 1080p on the same hardware, I can't see why they couldn't add that to the 4k side.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] gREENNNNN:
Tbh, the picture i took its 2 much darker than yours, i mean, there was practically no illumination, and the photo is still lighter..
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Batfink33:
There's no detail in it, that's the problem. The OP5 doesn't have the individual pixel sensor size to record enough detail in dark areas hence you get crushing and lack of detail. All the flagships started moving away from high megapixel counts to low megapixels with a bigger sensor a few years ago because of this, OP haven't.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] madnav:
There is no hardware for EIS. It is software algorithm that takes CPU performance hit.

1080p 30fps and 4k 30fps will have a vast difference in the amount of bitrate and data points to manipulate; which is why it is not a feasible solution without having a toll on CPU available to actually record an ongoing video.

That is a technical limitation. If they manage to invent an algorithm that does the task in an exceptionally efficient way then that is a different level of achievement worth recognition industry-wide.

As for people claiming that OP5 camera is just as good as the others:

It is a subjective argument you are making, and not as objective one. You can like what you see but you can't expect others to have the same perception. If you could get to arguing objectively by comparing with a reference point then it might make sense to others. Do not rule out the possibility that you might have come to OP5 from a phone with not so great camera, while others might have experienced better cameras on a smartphone before OP5.

This whole argument of whether a camera is better or not can be assessed by looking at samples.

For people arguing about OP5 is still a great phone even if camera isn't the best one:

You are right, OP5 is a great all-rounder phone. BUT this thread is about camera comparison; and only people whining in a camera thread are the once that go off topic to justify shortcomings as OK just because other things are great.

People come here to learn and share what they have learnt.

If you find a post breaking rules then report it.

If you find a post misleading then reply it with evidence to defy it.

If you find a post technically incorrect then correct it with proper sources of explanation.

But instead, simply whining that "you are wrong with your thinking and expectations" just because "I live my life with certain other standards and expectations" is simply being inconsiderate and elitist.

Lastly, many people criticising camera samples here need not be doing so because they are stuck with their purchase. Some people buy phones to review, try, and just as a hobby too. Don't assume that every critic is a poor fellow in distress.

:peace:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] alex9898:
Don't you find it extremely disappointing that your new, smartphone can't be as good as one that is almost two years old ?

IMO it should be able to compete with devices from 2017 and not struggle against one from 2015. Especially since the price is similar to the one of the 6P back in 2015.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] madnav:
Cheapest phone that can beat OP5 in low light camera performance is Nexus 5x. It has same sensor as 6P and Pixel and lacks OIS. Invest in that if budget camera phone is what you want.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] alex9898:
You are right but I find that the 6P has more in common with the 5 that the 5X which is a little less high end.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jeebuspwnz:
So far, I would say that the camera on the OP5 is "decent", but it isn't as good as the camera in my Nexus 6p. I can't get anywhere near the same level of detail in moderately dark situations as I could with the 6p. Granted, the 6p often only achieved those amazing results using HDR+, which did take a bit of extra time for processing, but the end result WAS better photos.

Bummer because I like this phone better than the 6p in every other area other than on-device speakers.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
You are not standing in the same spot between that auto and pro photo... you moved closer for the pro mode photo. Meaningless comparison.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] B3501:
People seem to need to justify their purchase and not want to admit they spent almost $500 on a phone that doesn't give better pictures than 2 year old Nexus devices!
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] dondavis007:
Bring it on with thoose pictures.

It's not the best of cameras in lower light so more tips and tricks helps us all.

I've noticed that using the HD mode helps a bit in lower light.

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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] paulyz:
Returned OP5 and bought S7 edge..... how good to have nice pictures inside/outside, I can take a photos of mooving kids..... yes, s7edge isn't geek phone, but good performance, good battery ... and 20 eur cheaper
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] sippinhenn:
The diffence is like 6 inches. Of course, it's still a meaningful comparison.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
Judging by how much the background moved, looked like a few feet. That statement was a bit harsh though. Yes, shooting in pro mode or in RAW will typically be better.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ZakooZ:
S7 Edge over Oneplus 5 ?

(+) Edge QHD display

(+) OIS

(+) Low light camera performance

(+) No jelly effect

(0) About equal screen on time

(0) 4GB RAM instead of 6GB, doesn't make a difference

(?) LPDDR3 vs LPDDR4X (probably no real world performance difference)

(-) Slower charging

(-) Older SoC

(-) Have to buy used to get the same price (depends on market. S7 Edge is 700€ new here... the 32GB model)

(-) Lower amount of storage for the same price (depends on market)

(-) Slower SoC (snapdragon version only)

(-) Touchwiz lag

(-) UFS 2.0

(-) Official software support almost over (OP5 is likely to get 1 more major update... likely...)

Am I missing anything?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] B3501:
Waterproof

Always On Display

Better Build Quality.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ghettopops:
Missing a lot of photos in this hur Camera Thread.

Camera has weird focal points for up close.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Flying Fox:
I have questions not concerning to Samsung (I have one ;) but to Oneplus 5:

1, Is there any advantage of the dual camera system except wide-angle/tele and portrait mode? Is there any other mode where it comes to work that I haven´t recognized yet? HDR, Dynamic Range.... low light advantages?

2, I can´t find settings, where I can scale down the pics to lower megapixels. This would provide much better pics I believe but until now I couldn't´t find a menu where I could change the image size.

By the way.. much more reasons for the OP5 as well as for the Samsung devices.

I love the community here - great and high level development - good ground to play around. And, except picture quality (for me not that difference compared to S7) unbeatable performance at the moment ;) - but this is too much OT now, sry guys.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] B3501:
Why would lowering the megapixel count give better pics?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Flying Fox:
It depends what you want. Less pixel interferences (pixels too close), details more natural, sometimes better low light quality. But you lose the advantage of big crops. But as I said it depends on the results you want to achieve while taking a picture. I use RAW and at least Lightroom for developing. This gives pretty good results. But I miss some presettings .. and knowledge about the two lense system. Portrait Modus is katastrophal, but otherwise nobody says I have to use it ;) ..
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] MrWilsonxD:
Wow, these are fantastic!
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Flying Fox:
Compared again on this site: http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=4&idPhone1=8647&idPhone2=8523&idPhone3=7431

It´s worth scaling down and comparing then, also looking at the edges. I really can´t complain about bad quality of OP5. Sold my S7 this nite ;)..
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] dondavis007:
Those are epic pics. How did you edit them ?

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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] madnav:
That can give variable results depending upon what you are comparing. In the low light sample this is how it fares.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] paulyz:
paid for new 480 eur with 24 month warranty. Price depends from country.

With sotware everything ok, s7e will get android O.

bloatware disabled with package disabler (without root). Slower charging time, but it has wireless charging, I like this from nexus 4. You forgot about IP.

yes, performance and custom roms are in OP5 side
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] matlacki01:
Here is an interesting camera comparison between OP5 and iPhone 7 Plus :

https://www.cnet.com/news/iphone-7-plus-vs-oneplus-5-camera-test/

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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] dondavis007:
Some pics from today.

The last one using the zoom. View attachment 4198699View attachment 4198700View attachment 4198701

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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] dotocan:
None of these are could be called real low light shots. Most of them are taken in very good lighting conditions. The church one is kind of low light but not really, because that bright sun ray is coming through the window on the right and illuminating half of the area. Still, I can use it as a reference point. It has some detail smudging on the tiles and very little detail is preserved in the dark area. Look closely on the golden decorations, you can barely tell what they are, it look like the details where somehow merged together. Look at the painting in those golden decorations, I have no idea what is on it.

Now, look at this church photo, it was taken with a nexus 5x.

http://ibb.co/kSFwDQ

Zoom in to the farthest end of the church and you can still see what is on the paintings.

So, with OP5 you can't see the details on a painting not so far away from the photographer, while with 5x you can see those details even when the painting is way further in the distance.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] paulyz:
Why you not show photos made with low lightning? We all kniw, what outside OP camera is ok
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] gavinfabl:
I don’t get the hate with the OP5. The camera is extremely capable and pulls off some incredible shots, even in tough scenarios. It’s not perfect across every scenario or mode. No phone is. Recapping on each mode this is my thoughts on the camera with a camera showcase review. https://gavinsgadgets.com/2017/06/26/oneplus-5-camera-review-flagship-or-sunken-ship/

I have created an album for my OP5 photos. What I liked was the extra pixels due to the larger optics, which enabled me to crop nicely without loss.

I particularly like the burst mode. In overcast lighting, all the burst shots I took of my 3 dogs were in focus. Even single snaps were great due to thr quick capture.

My Flickr album https://flickr.com/photos/41336136@N08/sets/72157682617608304

What I do think is Oneplus should have done many of the updates to the camera before releasing the phone. Some of the modes that aren’t performing well should have been fixed prior to release.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] atistang:
So one of the things holding me back is being let down by the camera on this phone. I currently have a Nexus 6P and I love the camera on it, if the OP5 compares then I would be happy. I noticed that the aperture size of the OP5 is 1.7 where as the 6P is 2.0. Wouldn't that mean that, software aside, the camera itself should be able to outperform the 6P in lower light situations? IDK I really don't know much about camera specs. I'm just trying to understand how much better the cameras could potentially get with software updates.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ZakooZ:
The 6P has a bigger sensor (1/2.3" vs 1/2.8") and bigger pixels (1.55µm vs 1.12 µm), it's very likely it that it takes better low light pictures regardless of aperture
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] atistang:
Thanks, I figured there was more to it than that, just didn't really know lol
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] bamfsig45:
I thought this looked pretty good to my untrained eye.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jeebuspwnz:
I have both (6p and OP5). The 6p takes better pictures in almost every scenario. The only area I would say the OP5 beats it is in outright speed of picture being taken, which can help during an action shot. Indoors or in low-light, the 6p blows the doors off the OP5.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] AcmE85:
https://xdaforums.com/nexus-6p/themes-apps/mod-camera-nx-v4-google-camera-zsl-hdr-t3494435

Have fun.

Edit: no this isn't for the OP5. There is no HDR+ for the OP5.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] t2jbird:
Do you have HDR+ working on your OP5?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] AcmE85:
Of course not. Read the quoted text. He was complaining about the slow processing on the 6P,

so I linked him a fix for that.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ReyTheBoss:
Do you think such modes will be available for the oneplus 5 ?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] t2jbird:
As this is a OP5 thread I focused on the fact low-light was better on the 6P, which is mostly due to HDR+.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] alex9898:
If you talk about making HDR+ work on devices that are not Pixel/Nexus, then yes, it's possible.

It has already be done for the Moto Z but not without some drawbacks (ZSL doesn't work so you have to wait a little after each shot exactly like on the 6P without mod and battery life take a hit).

---------- Post added at 08:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:18 PM ----------

That's not true. The good low light performances of the 6P are mostly due to the large sensor and big photosites (exactly like the Pixel or S8)

Even without HDR+ activated, the 6P takes low light shots with little noise and good details.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ghettopops:
The pup.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] swhtownboy:
I don't see why the camera is getting so much hate, I think it's pretty damn good. I took this picture at the boardwalk, fully auto, literally point and shoot. I'm standing under shade and the sky is still has good exposure... and a random picture of jambalaya?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] swhtownboy:
O yeah...and the boardwalk lol
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] saccentekennedy:
A little bit of tweaking on Snapseed, but only minor. I'm finding things a little unreliable... But when it works, it works well.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ReyTheBoss:
The camera IS indeed

Great

... but it needs optimisation in portrait mode , pro mode for video , EIS for 1080p 60fps and 4K , and enhancing low light performance ! .... other than that it it is great , and with that it'll be perfect
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] B3501:
If it needs all those things then it isn't great! It's an old sensor no better than a 2014 phone.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ReyTheBoss:
It is great when u put it in good conditions , it'll be better with those fixes , and even though i don't recall any phone from 2014 having a good camera like this , even if there is , cameras these days are so good that we are relying on our personnal preferances to choose between them , the differences are veryy smal and there's quite litterally no camera on a midranged to highend phone that won't do the job well , even from 2014 , so chill out bro , it's still good

i know it might look like i'm kissing OP's ass , but i just love the camera , and more importantly what's sitting behind it .. i hate all it's flaws and i pretty much experience them like all people , but if they just "Try" to bring fixes i'll be really happy with it :)
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ankit Kabeer:
Camera is good for almost all conditions except for low light. And eis for 4k will come so no worries there
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] dotocan:
Did you look at nexus 5x camera? It's way better than this one, especially in low light, and it's on 2015 mid range phone. And they cant fix crappy low light performance on OP5 because it has small pixel size and not so good sensor. It's hardware problem, they can do very little, maybe nothing, about low light quality with software updates. EIS on 4k could be done, it would be great to see if they can at least make that work.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ReyTheBoss:
Any phone's camera will be better than this outdated sensor on the OP5 , on fixing the low light performance i meant crancking the ISO down a bit because the app uses very big ISO values which is reaaly weird , or maybe some software tweaks , you don't know what they can do ! ... or at least i hope so because it will be a shame to throw a good phone like the OP5 away
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] B3501:
The OP3 camera barely changed the whole time the phone has been out. I highly doubt OP will optimise the OP5s camera much. It's a fail.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] dotocan:
I kind of know what they can do since I'm an app developer. Sure, I'm not OS developer so I don't know exactly what they can do, but I more or less understand the concept of it. Software is not magic, you can only do with it as much as the hardware limitations let you. Lowering the ISO would mean darker photos, you can probably try that yourself in pro mode and see the results. But it has those high ISO values to collect more light, so it already is software-tweaked. If there was a way to make low quality sensor produce great photos only with software optimizations, don't

you think every phone manufacturer would do that? They would have to spend waaay less money on hardware and just do software optimizations, but sadly, that's not how it works.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] alex9898:
I am under the impression that most people here doesn't understand that the IMX398 is almost the same sensor as the IMX298 in the 3T.

I can understand the confusion because OP was misleading during the announcement of the OP5 (Saying that this was a new sensor made especially for them by Sony) but in fact, there is not much new coming from a 3T.

Both are 1/2.8 inch Exmor RS Stacked Sensor. Being both 16Mpx, pixels size is the same 1.12um. Only differences are the Dual PDAF on the IMX398 against single PDAF on the IMX298 and the lack of OIS on the IMX398 which OP try to compensate with a larger aperture (to allow for higher shutter speed).

And those kind of specs are what we used to find in older phones. For example, even the Note 4 use a bigger 1/2.6 inch sensor also based on Exmor RS tech with OIS. It's also a 16Mpx so pixel size is 1.16um even a little better than both 3T et OP5.

Now, industry has moved to far bigger photosite size and bigger sensors.

- S8 uses a 1/2.55 inch sensor with a unit cell size of 1.4um

- HTC U11 uses a similar 1/2.55 inch sensor with a unit cell size of 1.4um

- Pixel XL uses a 1/.23" sensor with 1.55um photosites.

- Even the Sony ZX Premium which is a 19MPX has bigger photosites (1.22um with a 1/2.3" sensor).
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] PKFR4Life:
Viewfinder Quality

I can't remember ever being so critical with photos coming from a smartphone, and the only thing I can say for sure is that I swear the photos on my ex-Nexus 6P were better, but besides going into that, has anyone ever thought how awesome things look through the viewfinder and wondered why don't the photos come out as well as they look when you're about to take the shot? Do you know what I mean? I see the subject I want to take a photo of, focus on it manually or allow the camera to focus itself, I pause and notice the awesome detail and how sharp the edges of things can be, and then I take the shot. I look at the photo and I'm like, man, what happened?

I just thought about taking a screenshot of the viewfinder and comparing that with the actual photo taken. What if the screenshot has more detail? :laugh:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] atistang:
What bothers me the most out of the samples I have seen are the soft "water color" or "painted" edges that it gets sometimes. From what I have read that effect is do to the software over processing the photo. And since I was a proud owner of a 2014 Moto X I am more critical of camera performance. IDK if you know about the Moto X, but it's camera was about useless anywhere but outside on a sunny day. Other than that the 2014 Moto X was a great phone all around, but I hated it because about 50% of the pictures I took looked so bad I would delete them.

I love the way 80% of the pictures come out with my 6P, I'm worried that the OP5 will be another Moto X for me if I get.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] PKFR4Life:
Yes! Thank you! I mean, I would have to view the photo at 100% but I still see it very easily and I don't remember noticing those defects when taking photos with my Nexus 6P. So I don't think I'm bashing, I'm literally aware that I can't help but notice something is "weird". And it is appearing to be this way indoors more often than not. Just something I have to adapt to. Disappointing but not a game changer I guess considering everything else the OP5 has going for it, including price point.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ReyTheBoss:
That's actually something i noticed as well !! that's why i kept hoping for software updates to fix it and make it better , the viewfinder shows soo much detail you'd swear it's da best camera ever ! like wtf ?