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[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rauttis:
I'm more and more starting to think that this is just a weird quirk with the AMOLED panel and viewing angles. If I look at the display from an above angle (top of the phone closer to me) the jello effect is almost entirely gone. From the opposite angle (or looking straight at the display) the jello effect is there. Why didn't people notice this on the 3 and 3T then? The panel is mounted the other way around. Just flip your 3 or 3T and you'll see the same weird jello effect you're seeing on OP5. This **** is weird.

Now I do think the adaptive vsync might be causing some other stutter issues, but I'm starting to think it has absolutely nothing to do with the jello effect.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] xeonyxorich:
Tried it didn't work for me
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] DrIreland:
Has anyone else noticed an improvement in the latest 4.5.7 update?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
My OP5 doesn't have a noticeable JE ... what I feel is the screen latency seems improved.

Default keyboard seems more responsive. Anyone confirms this felling?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] DrIreland:
Yes I think an improved latency, possibly while scrolling too kinda masks the JE. I do see improved latency
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
I noticed it when typing on the keyboard or calculator!

It may very well affect positively the JE!

In my device I never felt the JE anyway.

What I noticed was the "wave effect" in landscape (that occurs in every phone ) ... it seems more reduced! :victory:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] johnnydue:
My camera is quite bad (redmi note 3). I am convinced that the problem have something to do with the human eye. The effect I see and what the camera records are very different. I can't see jelly when I turn the screen upside down but there are no difference on the camera. There are some diagonal shadows that may be the refresh direction, but I think that the direction should be vertical and the diagonal effect may have something to do with the shutter.

https://streamable.com/xeumk
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Abhi Dahiya:
So it's official... A new OnePlus 5 color is coming. Possibility is of a mint gold color.

What if the new color is of revised batches with jelly screen fix ? ( Though possibility is very low since it's not a new model, just a new body color and hence it's really difficult to fix the screen orientation as such)

But still, what if ?:p
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] snippem:
Well that is like admitting as a company you did it wrong. Not going to happen:)
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] OlMightyG:
Imagine a part of the display refreshes slightly delayed (due to technical reasons). Normally this part is on the bottom side of the display on other phones and in addition the area is smaller. But you can see this also on other phones with AMOLED displays (tested Galaxy S5 and S7). Because the display is mounted top down in the OP5, you can see the "lagging" part on top, so the effect is more visible to the user.

So imagine now the display refreshes from bottom to top like on the OP5:

You scroll up and down. What happens? Bottom part starts moving immediately because the refresh of the display starts on the top (which is the bottom in our OP5). because the refresh is not fast enough for our eyes, we notice that the top part of our display (that is normally the bottom part) is not refreshed. The movement lags a moment and we see the "jelly effect". You have a "tearing line", like when you turn off VSync in your monitor or dont have Free- or G-Sync and the produced frames do not match the refreshrate of your display. Although it seems proven that this is not the actual problem with the OP5.

But this is my description of this effect.

So, what would fix that?

-You make the display refresh faster. I don't know if that is possible via firmware. But this might make the lagging area smaller by moving the tearing line more to the top (respective the actual bottom of the display) or reduce the lag so that our eyes dont see the effect.

-You make the display refresh the opposite way. I am quite sure that this is not possible to do via firmware. But this would "move" the effect to the bottom part of the OP5 display and would at least make it more difficult to notice.

-I am not sure if this makes sense, but theoretically you could split the screen virtually and make the hardware refresh each half at the same time. If both areas refresh fast enough, you wont see any effect at all. But this would only work if the problem is not caused by the display but by the GPU or the interface between GPU and display.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tendor83:
Off topic, because this is a Jelly effect thread, i just upgraded yesterday to 4.5.7. Up until now I didn' t see any noticeable improvements in the battery are, or Wifi connectivity.

The update is still fresh. But I'm glad OP addresses the issues raised by their clients.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tendor83:
I didn't see any performance improvement regarding the Gboard (standard keyboard installed on OP5).

Gboard was already faster when compared with SwiftKey.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Balino:
With the latest update the jelly effect seems to have reduce quite a bit for me.. it's nearly not visible at all
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
On the camera app I notice that when slowly "panning" the image does micro jumps!

Also notice when scrolling slowly on the play store the image jumps too.

Is it firmware or the apps?

Anyone notices ?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Badassian:
I'm just hoping and hoping again that the strong developer community behind this phone will someday implement a firmware fix for this jelly effect
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] srt99:
there is no firmware fix for this. if it was possible, oneplus would have said they would provide a fix.

it is a design flaw. no firmware can fix a flaw in the design.

we just have to get used to this.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] BoboBrazil:
Or return the phone and wait for 5T;) that's what I did
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] kodinos:
Any luck if I try to return the phone now and request a refund with the "screen orientation flaw" as justification?

15-day return window has passed by the way.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Nope! you have to keep it or sell it.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rebel7022:
Oh I'm enjoying my 5, then I'm selling the 5 for 400 after I buy the 5t, so I get to use the 5 with the minor jelly issue all summer and fall for 150 bucks, that's a deal to me, and I get to upgrade. The jelly doesn't bother me I love how my phone can take heat compared to the 3t, I sold my 3t for 420 a couple weeks ago, that's how I always upgrade, if I leave my phone on Craig's list for less than a week it will be sold. If you keep your phone in a case & are conscious about your phone it's easy to resell, treat your phone as a rental kinda. I like upgrading every time oneplus releases one, it's easy to resell their phones . To everyone who returned their phone, that's on you. I'm having a blast on my 5. I don't worry about heat anymore as I binge on my phone lol
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jumpcom:
This issue is happen even in ipad 2 If you rotate it 180 degree ..
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ten_piseth:
i want to buy one of this too ,but fell annoy by testing on me Samsung Galaxy Note5 ( use it up side down 180 degree)..

so just wait ....... hmm
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] GCbard:
i have had the oneplus 5 now for over two weeks. I look hard forthe jelly effect and do not notice anything. Maybe a slight effect if I really look for it. I have been using android for years and developed a little. I haveused the google pixel, pixel xl, lg g6, samsung s8, etc, and this is by far the best I have had to date. Really good device!
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
x2 :highfive:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Supersaiyan.IV:
This thread is really long, so I'll make this brief.

If a screen is mounted up-side down, and the image has to be flipped. Then what do you do?

Use the GPU to flip the displayed image, causing battery drain.

Use the display controller itself to flip the image.

Obviously 2. which means that the 'wavy' effect is caused by bad controllers embedded in the display.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] MishuMS:
it's just me - or the latest OOS 4.5.8 update reduced the jelly effect significantly?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Maybee :p .... I'm still on 4.5.7 and noticed a little.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] DrIreland:
I noticed that too..
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] srt99:
if that were the case, then other smartphones too have a bad controllers. because i notice this effect on my s4 when fliped upside-down.

nope. still the same. if jelly effect was reduced op would list that in changelog. may be you have gotten used to this jelly effect so you aren't noticing it. i am starting to get used to it.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] davfiala:
Sure, imagine that changlog, "Reduction of jelly effect which we claim that doesn't exist"

Many users noticed that, including myself. I am pretty sure, that OP is trying to fix this in silence.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] srt99:
they did acknowledged the existence of jelly effect and said it's "natural" because of how human eye works.

technically they are not wrong.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] 008bond:
Jelly effect is still prominent on 4.5.8.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] shangxor:
I don't know if it depends on each person eyesight or different screens. I have the 128 model and I don't notice it. Asked a few friends to look at my phone also and they didnt notice. Also some of them asked why they "had to use the phone in that weird way scrolling". Cheers !
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Yash24:
Guyz it's not an software issue or the issue of AMOLED display.

OnePlus 5 jelly scrolling effect is possibly due to it's upside-down display.

It's not a manufacturing problem or a software issue so can't be fixed through a update or replacement.

If the issue bothers you a lot, the only recourse right now seems to be getting a refund or a swap
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] gingi007:
I followed this thread and saw most of the videos showing this effect. I recently got the 64 op5 and noticed it only when I really really made an effort for it. Using it for couple of weeks now and it works great, not seeing this at all.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] elmalote:
I have the 128GB version and don't notice it.

Looked at some videos on YouTube and I must say some of them are horrible. Mine is nothing like that. I can only notice it if I really try hard.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] snippem:
Yelly seems to be only for the people who have read it must be there and are hypersensitive I think.:cool:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] marvi0:
Today I tried yet another oneplus 5 and the jello is still there. I guess this is really subjective and it affects people in different ways. For me I just can't stand it am afraid.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] shadekh:
And Oneplus is guaranteed to intro the 5T with "fixed" display and SD 836 in just a few months. At which point every OP5 user will hate the phone
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rebel7022:
Cool Ill buy the 5t first then put the 5 up for sale for 400, that's what I always do, my oneplus phones always sell in less than a week, I keep them in good shape, so I basically rented the oneplus 5 for 150 $ for like 6 months. That's deal
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] tharmor:
Thats not a deal.....paying to find faults on a high end device is what it is...
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] xxBrun0xx:
As much as we all like to think the OnePlus 5 is a high end device, it isn't. It's a mid-range device with high end internals. Three reason it costs $400-500 less than a comparable S8+ or pixel XL (and soon note 8 and pixel XL 2) is lack of engineering. Engineers are expensive. Not paying for proper engineering is why Chinese devices are often cheaper than their American counterparts and why they often look suspiciously similar to other devices. I love my oneplus 5, but it's not high end. Margins are actually pretty minimal on modern phones, so there just aren't that many places to cut corners, especially when you have to pay a software team to update the device bi monthly for over a year after release as they did on the 3/3T.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] snippem:
Really nice you are thinking for us but what makes it mid range ?

I know it is more than just the internals but this indeed makes the difference for me.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] xxBrun0xx:
Price. That's really all that makes a device "high end" vs "low end". Think about "high end" watches. They aren't any more useful than "cheap" watches, they're just more expensive.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rebel7022:
This phone s dope yo
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] xxBrun0xx:
Agreed, as is my $150 Seiko watch. That doesn't make my watch as high end as a $6000 rollex. And to be clear, high end =\= good. See Vertu phones for reference.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] gre0ge:
Hi guys,

I want one OP5 but after I see notices about jello effects I have fear about that..

This problem has been solved? It's secure buy OP5?

Please help me,

Regards
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rebel7022:
Bro, I got the 5 and it's all that & a bag of chips. It's best phone, it takes heat like a champ, I cant see any jelly & I had my phone since day 1. You won't be disappointed, get the Karbom bumper case too , that's my favorite case.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] BoboBrazil:
It hasn't been fixed and won't be fixed. It's a hardware issue that is on every phone. Some people say they can't see it, but it's still there. Their eyes just can't perceive it. If you do any web browsing where you read slowly through a page you will notice it.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ionakr:
Soft gold versione here, europe, and i have it. Not a real deal
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rebel7022:
Do you like the soft gold color?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ionakr:
A lot, i love how it change from silver to gold depending on the light. And the finish on the fingerprint reader are awesome
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] MrWilsonxD:
It's not on every phone. -_- it's some of them.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] MisiekDP:
It is on every OP5. You can't see it but other people can. All devices are the same.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] MrWilsonxD:
No.. Compare this

[youtube]2apMftZk9wg[/youtube]

To this

[youtube]jueJzNTWGfo[/youtube]
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Devhux:
I see it on the second video too. It's slight, but it's there.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] MisiekDP:
And? I see jelly effect on second video. Scrolling is slow so jelly effect is smaller. Btw read the comment below video I may notice a very slight jello effect but very unnoticeable if I'm not strictly looking for it.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] MrWilsonxD:
That looks more like delayed refreshing from YouTube than jelly. If anyone has a webpage they know jelly scrolling occurs on, send it to me. I'd like to test. After owning my device for coming up on a month now I honestly have never noticed any jelly scrolling.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] MisiekDP:
Bro, every OP5 has the same panel and this screen is upside-down. When you rotate any display without jelly effect you should see this jelly effect :) I saw a lot videos when people say "no jello effect" and jello effect was visible so I think that jello effect is on all OP5 :)
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] MrWilsonxD:
I just don't think so, see this thread for example.. There's so many people saying they don't see it. And it's not like jelly is something you can just "not notice, it's extremely noticeable in the videos I've seen.

Even on xda articles some have mentioned their units don't have the jelly problem.

But I totally could be wrong, if someone could share a link to a website that they know has jelly scrolling, I'd like to see and record my results. I'm open to being corrected, it's just my experience with the phone thus far has been directly contrary to this "all op5 are affected by it."
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] worldsoutro:
I have gone through three different devices with the same level of jello effect. Not sure why this is still being discusses its a design issue and all O5 are affected. The effect varies on your own sensitivity to the issue.

Can we put this to rest finally?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] J_Dutch:
Amen, it's ridiculous to even talk about, OP even said it's like this.

But to add to your story, it's not only sensitivity but even more so the scrolling speed. With my normal scrolling it's not a big thing bit when I scroll the way they do on YouTube it's extremely visible but that's not in day to day use.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rebel7022:
You ordered 3 different devices. Are you serious
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] worldsoutro:
Not at the same time.

First device, I wasn't sure I liked it so I returned in

Second device, I bought it again because I changed my mind, but decided to return and get the HTC U11

Third device, I returned the U11 and got the O5 again
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rebel7022:
LMAO. The only thing I was worried about was did they run out of stock, cause I got mine at early drop. unless mine caught on fire I was keeping it. Iol this phone rocks.. Did you get the sLatE Grey?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] ddaharu:
I don't know but you guys but I love my OP5 with zero complaints. I have the jelly effect but it's so slight I hardly even notice it. also I think my eyes have adjusted to the inverted refresh rate so I'm more than good.

8gb/128gb
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] worldsoutro:
Midnight black
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] worldsoutro:
Gotta take what I said back I just setup my new o5 and it's pretty bad.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] snippem:
And returning it for the 4 th of 5 th time maybe your expectations are to high.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] RMarques:
I have to try hard to notice it and even doing so, I'm still not sure if mine have it or not!
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Eric214:
I'm usually very sensitive to these types off things (lags, stutters) and I can't see anything. Appears buttery smooth. I do not believe for a second that the jelly issue is the same on all OP5 and it's just how people perceive the effect. Not saying I don't have it since I'm not recording it in support slowmo as I think that is what is needed to notice it on the majority of devices. So if I can't notice it without support slowmo video capture, that means to me.... I don't have it
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] worldsoutro:
I think your right! My order o5 didn't seem that bad but this one is really had. I can really notice it just by scrolling down a webpage a bit
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] kimw:
Dude. It has nothing to do with lag, stutter or smoothness.

Read the thread carefully and understand the problem first.

It is already confirmed that this optical effect is caused by the display unit beeing mounted upside down. It's OnePluses manufacturing decision. It's the same on all devices.

If you are not noticing it at all, it's because your eyes don't care much about a display that is refreshing its screen the other way round / inverted. That's good for you! Just enjoy your device as it is and don't try to look / search for the exact issue described here cause once you notice it, it cannot be unseen.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Eric214:
ROFL I've read everything on the topic, I've owned the phone since launch. Point is the effect isn't the same on every phone. I can see the effect on YouTube videos, seen it on my friends device, can't see it on mine, my friends didn't notice it on mine like does on his either. Hence, the effect isn't just in perception, the severity is different on different phones.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] kimw:
"Appears buttery smooth"

That's what you wrote. If you were looking for smoothness or lag, you didn't understand the issue at all. That's all I can say about your post since you referred to lag, stutter and smoothness.

I can link to the several statements confirming the isse due to the Display beeing mounted inverted as a manufacturing decision.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Eric214:
OMG dude I get it, I understand it. Do you have a hard on for this or something? You obviously don't get what I'm saying. I can't make you understand what you don't want understand. Move on and make your point with someone else who wants to argue with you.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] kimw:
Sent mine back because of this. I was one of the first discussing here. Go a hundred pages back and see my posts.

Your point with "smoothness" was misleading. That's what it is.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Eric214:
Lol so you don't even have the phone anymore? You do have a hard on for this. Get over yourself. Doesn't matter how long you've been in a thread, it makes you an expert? LoL
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] kimw:
What's your problem dude? I am arguing on your comment in the same way I did here previously. What's that "hard on" thing? No need for beeing disrespectful here!

Not once did I call myself an expert. I am referring to several popular tech review pages that have already explained the issue and it's nature. I tried to explain that to you. You are arguing on an already dead thread. The majority of people already understood the problem and its nature. There have been links to those tech review pages in here. We all got it. A lot of the users here didn't notice it as much as others which doesn't mean the problem (which is hardware related) isn't there.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Eric214:
And that's my point I tried makes 3 time. I never said it wasn't here, just that each phone isn't the same with the severity. If 2 people have 2 phones and both see it on one, but can't see it on the other, it's not that it's not there, but it's not obvious. So that must mean the severity of the problem isn't the same on both phone. My God I have to say the same thing multiple times for you.

Good luck in life dude
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] kimw:
"I do not believe for a second that the jelly issue is the same on all OP5 and it's just how people perceive the effect."

I find that misleading.

It's the same on all OP5 because they are manufactured all in the same way.

The only thing that is correct is the fact that people may perceive the effect differently.

Also Englisch is a foreign language for me.. So may take a bit longer sometimes to understand everything.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] legacyeah:
Did anyone of you owned a Moto turbo/maxx? It had the same jelly effect and I used to think that it's a feature. XD
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ionakr:
I find this funny, i have my OP5 from a week and sometimes i open the menù, twitter or instagram just to "jelly" various stuff.
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] rickysidhu_:
I noticed this effect intensely on the first OP5 I had. Returned it because I decided to stick with my Pixel XL.

Changed my mind recently and purchased the OP5 again, and I barely see it on this second unit.

If there is no variation between devices, then maybe it's just me :eek:
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] MrWilsonxD:
Lol, the oneplus 10 will be announced and people will still be debating here. ?

I think the consensus here is there is no consensus. ?
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] worldsoutro:
I think I am going to order it again and see
[OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Mar-cel:
I don't see this jelly effect too...