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[HTC Wings] arpy:
Gps?Yes or no?

Bored to read the whole Threat...

This guy HERE tells, that GPS is definetively on Board,only disabled by ROM.The Hardware between the PreProd and the Prod Modell are identical...but the Hardware isnt strong enought.

Now ive run THIS tool on my Wings....and it stopped at ComPort 4 (uhh?Bluetooth is switched off,my GPSmice is off,..)status:GPS Starting...:confused:

I am shure to have a Prod modell....after that ive startet Efficasoft GPS-Utilities (with gpstest 1.04 on comport4 running...), configured on com port 4,disable "search for BT Devices", start....:eek: and now i can see ONE Satelite:eek:....Ive never tried to use a GPSTool without a paired GPSMouse...or try to flash any RadioHermesWizardTytnblablarom to my Phone...

Ok.Can anybody try to use his Wings like the way above?

Is it really simple like that?GPS Is always there?Too poor to get a fix?

edit:

Tested Efficasoft GPS Utilities on a OUT-OF-THE-BOX HTC Wings on Com Port 4, Baud Rate 9600, after ca 3 seconds Time and Datesync says 01.01.1601 01:00:00, one Satelite, poor signal....now veeery poooor signal....

Mow Tested same tool with BT GPS on Com port 6,Baud Rate 57600, after 3 seconds Time and Datesync correct, three Satelites, good signal...now fixed...
[HTC Wings] bigflavor:
COM4 is the GPS Intermediary Driver. Read the last portion of the wiki.
[HTC Wings] arpy:
ups...sorry...
[HTC Wings] metalpeter:
I have also got an HTC S730 (UK Version). Great device!

Offcourse I would also like to see GPS working on this device, so if I can be of any help to you please let me know (besides screwing open my phone offcourse).
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
:D

Can anyone confirm?

If it's true then for sure I wasted a hell of a lot of my time :D
[HTC Wings] NetrunnerAT:
I have a Question!

Can some on make Photos with a DSLR and a Makro Opjektiv on both sides from the Mainboard?

I need Sharp High Res Pics from Proproduct working Wing and a not working Product Wing. If its sharp enough ... possible i can see something! On the device they have a working gps ... have you HardSPL installed?
[HTC Wings] Motowntheta:
I tried and no luck... looks like your time is not wasted yet :)
[HTC Wings] rooomish:
He spoke about BT (bluetooth) external receiver.
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
Oh ****, didn't notice that.

Later today I'm gonna try to security unlock walram's phone.

I will then make a modification to the Wings HardSPL so that we can "talk" to the radio AT command interpreter. An AT command of specific interest is: at@startgps

It should respond with:

[WCDMA] startGPS OK
[HTC Wings] NetrunnerAT:
How you edit the SPLs? With Disassembler Code Copie and lock what he does?
[HTC Wings] mromega:
The hardware

Hello folks! I've been lurking here for some time, but now I must add a few things so you don't start in the wrong end :D

The small antenna connector on the right side is not for GPS.

If you look at the left side of the mainboard, to the left of the battery connector, you'll see some missing components and one of the obvious things missing is an antenna connector (you see the pads match exactly).

I took a picture and marked with some colors to explain.

Blue: The antenna connector goes here. Exactly the same type as the WLAN one at the other side.

Green: The GPS antenna goes here. It looks nearly the same as the WLAN antenna.

Red: Two possible placements on one of the components here. It's only a capasitive coupler so I don't think that would be the biggest problem.

Yellow: I'm not sure, but to me it looks like the trace between these two pads should be broken (else you'll ground the antenna signal).

To me, this is doable, but there might be other problems if you compare a pre-prod model and a "normal" one.

The production model is missing a lot of other components: The RFR6500-chip with externals and a lot of filters and chips under the small lid right of the camera.

If you get a software working for it, I'm happy to modify the hardware on my S730 to see if I get any signals. The best would be if we could get high-res pictures of a pre-prod model though :)
[HTC Wings] johankj:
Nice one! :) I'm also waiting for an unlock, then i may do a mod too...
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
Thanks for this. Could it not be that WLAN and GPS antenna are shared?

I don't think RFR6500 is missing, since that chip is replaced by the RTR6285 which interfaces with the MSM7200 in Wings. The RTR6285 UMTS/EGPRS transceiver with integrated receive diversity and GPS, is one of the producs affected by the December 31st, 2007 injunction ordered against certain Qualcomm products. Is there a RTR6285 in your phone?

And yes, we're still waiting for pre-production model pics ...
[HTC Wings] mromega:
No, it's very unlikely they share antennas, and seeing how the hardware is on the S730 I'm 99,9% sure it's the GPS antenna path I see there. I will try to make the software changes to enable it and mod my mainboard so I have a (hopefully) working antenna. Will post pictures of this mod when I'm done :)

I haven't checked up on the use of RFR6500, I just saw it on a low-res picture of a prototype (which I can't post here).

Hopefully someone can make a working software fix for the GPS-activation (I'm a hardware guy :p)
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
So which tranceiver is built in your phone?

The sw support is all there in the radio rom. And the rf config item can be changed as well. See the thread :D

So make your hw mod (cut the trace, solder a connector etc) and try it !

If u need help wrt the sw changes drop me a PM
[HTC Wings] Terror Factor:
Wow, really nice to see some progress here. If this phone has gps enabled, it has really everything I need/want/expect from a smartphone!

How did people get pre-prod models anyway?
[HTC Wings] mromega:
Seems like I have a problem flashing my phone here. Might be me doing something wrong.. My phone is application unlocked, I start SSPL and reconnect the cable, but I get a "Unknown USB device"-error from Windows. The connection works fine when I don't run SSPL though.

Any ideas about this?
[HTC Wings] mromega:
Well, finally got the phone flashed with HardSPL, but I face another problem now :( The FTP is closed and I need the Kaiser ROM..
[HTC Wings] NetrunnerAT:
i need some help!

can some one provide a full nv-item dump of a preproduct wing and product wing?
[HTC Wings] mromega:
I guess this case is coming to an end :( I've followed the signal path even further now (as I didn't get very good signals). The antenna path ends up at the other side of the PCB and next to the missing RFR6500-chip. Looking at the block-diagram of it, it is required to filter and amplify the GPS-signals. I might try to populate the PCB with parts from a Kaiser, but it won't be a solution for a lot of us (if it works).

If anyone have more schematics of the MSM7200-set (or parts of it in the 65xx-series), please send me a PM as I'd love to dig a bit deeper.
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
There must be some sort of rf tranceiver in the production Wings. Have you spotted it?
[HTC Wings] mromega:
Well, we have the RTR6275, but it doesn't incorporate GPS. The RFR6500 and MSM7200 is used for that. What I'm wondering about is if the MSM7200 can be used as a GPS receiver itself.. I need schematics to figure that out. There's got to be something since I get some data from the GPS :s A pinout of the MSM7200 would help a lot!

The RTR6275 is used in both versions of the phone, only that the pre-prod got RFR6500 and some externals aswell.
[HTC Wings] norwegianS730:
what happened in the niki thread concerning the same matter ?

Because some trouble, the GPS and Wifi Project of our Crew will go to

TOP SECRET STATUS
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
Okay, finally we know what chips are built in the Wings. And since the RFR6500 is missing in the production model we don't and won't have GPS :(

The Kaiser 3G/GSM RF part consists of Qualcomm's RFR6500 (receive with integrated GPS) and RTR6275 (transmit) as well as AWT6280, AWT6273 and AWT6273 amplifiers.

mromega, you find most of the data here

norwegians730, don't know why they call it a secret
[HTC Wings] niloodn:
RTR62X5 North America 3G

Based on the information indicating that the chipset in these phones consists of the RTR62X5(6275 or 6285) and based on the specs I have found on those chips from press releases based on a google search of the chipsets it would seem that the radio in this phone at the very least would be able to do North American 3G on 1900Mhz.(6275 indicates 1800, 1900 or 2100. 6285 appears to do additional bands.) I'm not sure if the 850Mhz band would be required, although I believe I have read that 850/1900 is used idependently of one another. Also, I recall seeing screenshots of some of the pre-prod models indicating that they were roaming on 3G Fido which from what I can tell delivers UMTS on 850/1900. Granted, from this post it is evident that there is different HW between the pre-prod and prod models, however, if the radio is constant is it conceivable that this phone could be provided with a Radio ROM upgrade to expand its UMTS reach?

I know this is a bit off topic from the original subject, however, the talk of chipsets got me curious.
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
Yes, the supported bands are determined by the rf configuration. So set NV item 148 to 0x11 (17 decimal) and try to connect to a 850MHz network.
[HTC Wings] blacknight:
Just bought a new S730 and under phone settings it has selection for WCDMA Euro band, US band and Japan band, so I would assume it works on 1900 UMTS.
[HTC Wings] DeGon:
Please guys, save the original subject of this thread. Its about the (lacking) GPS.

---

Can anybody else confirm that? No built in GPS with the production models ever?

Which Bluetooth GPS is good then?
[HTC Wings] bigflavor:
I'm confused here:

It's been stated that the prod model of the S730 (WING220, the EU version) has the RTR6275, but not the RFR6500? The only choice you're left with is the combo of the RTR6275 and the RFR6525.

Regardless, any of the radio chipsets contained within the MSM7200 all support GPS (refer to bottom of page 3).

I'm sure this isn't like a revelation, and you all have seen that doc before... but why, then, would you say that the GPS is and never will be enabled, because it doesn't exist?

So, it's clear that in the WING220, the chipset is a RTR6275/RFR6525 combo? If this is true, then fo'sho' there's no support for the 850/1900 UMTS.
[HTC Wings] niloodn:
Strange Indeed

I saw the product options in the pdf as well and I was thinking the same thing. The rtr6275 does not appear to be able to function on its own and do UMTS on 2100, it would appear that the UMTS aspects are offloaded at least part of it over to the RFR65XX. So if doesn't have the RFR6500 it would seem that it would need to have the RFR6525 to do UMTS at all on 2100. Unless of course it has the RTR6285 which appears to do it all. Why HTC would manufacture the phone without the support of the 3 main UMTS bands though seems strange. Unless it was disadvantageous from a mfg cost standpoint to use the 6500 vs the 6525(6500 being a more expensive chipset combo) it would seem more logical to use the 6500 as it has a wider support for the main UMTS frequencies.. namely 2100 Euro, 2100 Japan and 850/1900 North America.(sorry but T-Mobiles NA UMTS penetration on 1700/2100 has got to be next to nothing, I hear they have some towers in NYC) This way they can use the same HW and keep the same mfg lines to make the phones that serve all of these markets. The only other reason I can think for HTC to lock down the current phones(if that is what is being done) or make another model with a different chipset is to not upset the big cell phone companies in the US.. namely ATT in this case and perhaps lose out on a big contract where ATT will buy tons of these phones from HTC and then resell/rebrand and hook people into 2 years plans. HTC would likely sell many more phones thru ATT or another carrier in the US than they would without the company subsidizing the rebranded device. So perhaps that is the motivation.
[HTC Wings] bigflavor:
Agreed. I believe they must be manufacturing the phones with different chipsets for that exact reason.

Unless it is, in fact, just an NVRAM setting in the Radio ROM (which may be suitable for disabling)... not hardware, but software.

Maybe there are values in the NVRAM that say which chipset is being used.
[HTC Wings] blacknight:
Any updates on this? Is it possible we have the RTR6285 and that is the reason there are "missing" components on the circuit board since the 6285 does it all and doesn't need another component?
[HTC Wings] jkiller122:
does this work on the t-mobile wing or do i have to add something cause I seened it said on pre production wings.
[HTC Wings] bigflavor:
The Wings and Wing are different phones.
[HTC Wings] SamuelTee:
a month is gone

Hey guys,

are there any news on this built-in-but-not-active-gps in production units issue?

Greetings,

Samuel
[HTC Wings] blacknight:
Looks like the Vogue guys have managed to get the onboard GPS to work on their devices, link to thread is below. Any chance something similar would work for our Wings?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2147736#post2147736
[HTC Wings] leewilko:
Bump for this guys...... Any fresh looks at this now?

Bump for this guys...... Any fresh looks at this now?
[HTC Wings] Bohngus:
Some one did test it on S730?:confused:
[HTC Wings] mpattonm:
I wonder how you think this will help.
[HTC Wings] BLL1989:
hello guys,

i'm kinda new, so don't blame me for any mistakes. And I am dutch, so please don't blame me for my bad english. I read through this tread but there are a few things i don't get.

First of all, I too, am the of a HTC S730. But that raises 2 questions already. Do I have a "wing" or a "wings" or is it the same??? And how can I see if I got a pre-production model, or a normal production model???

I am searching internet to find out what is wrong with the internal gps. I also read somewhere that there wasn't a gps inside, that is was all just a hoax. What is true about that, is there any proof that there really is a gps inside the phone?

I want to help you guys by testing software or values, but are there really people who do have a gps inside that is working correctly??

Is the gps (when it is reall inside) in the production model compromised, or does it have a lack of power?

And what is with the chipset, I read that production models have other chipsets but I don't quite understand that.

I hope i get some answers to this big pile of questions.

Thanks!!!!!
[HTC Wings] 10332007:
If you own the HTC S730 then you have a Wings or Volans, the "Wing" is from T-Mobile and a completely different phone.
[HTC Wings] bigflavor:
1) GPS chip is on the chipset.

2) Not on a production model.

3) It has a lack of an antennae. It is also disabled via an NVRAM setting, which, when changed, doesn't retain the change; due to security on the NVRAM.

4) This is not the case; however, no one knows which chipset the S730 has.

Referring to the bottom of the wiki may address some more questions.
[HTC Wings] BLL1989:
thnx guys, that are some good answers. but how about the pre-production and production models, how can you see what type you have?
[HTC Wings] asimolo76:
I Hope I Hope Hope I Hope

no new? I have to lose hope? or we are working?
[HTC Wings] mromega:
I have pretty much put it on ice as it won't be possible for a normal user to get the parts needed to "fill in the blanks" on the mainboard. There are more interesting things to do right now :) ..Like playing with the Diamond :D
[HTC Wings] joy.d:
hehe, or play with Touch Pro, the Nokia E90 revenche..
[HTC Wings] jldiablo:
Is this possible? I know that the 7200 CPU got the GPS-ONE function but the S730 doesnt have an antenna built-in...
[HTC Wings] asimolo76:
??????????????????

:eek:

There can believe! you have surrendered! you are the only hope for resolving the problem gps, possible that no more interest this problem ?

I hope I hope I hope ............... :D:D:D
[HTC Wings] Drobcek28:
everybody waiting for HTC solution :(
[HTC Wings] sat_ana:
You can wait for a long time....no hw no party :(

Regards
[HTC Wings] joeytri:
HTC S730

Is there a manuel how to enable internal GPS on HTC S730?
[HTC Wings] sat_ana:
Yes, of course :rolleyes::cool::eek:

Regards
[HTC Wings] lpmat:
i don't understand how to install hardspl

i do all the steps correctly, but what file did i put when i run the costumruu?

is only run that ,and its installed?

please help me i would like to have gps enable.
[HTC Wings] neolux23:
NV RAM Issue Solved

Hi Guys today i made it to change the nv ram value "148" from 11 -> 17 an it remains. Wait a while Later Today or Tomorrow there will be a howto. But unfortunatly the change of the NV Value does no Matter. I Got 1 Sat and no Fix with GPS Test. Next i will open the HTC S730 and after this i will call qualcomm for help :cool:.

Grretz Neolux23

ps: Maybe its a registry issue i play a lot with it ;-)!
[HTC Wings] nielswillems:
preproductio model or normal model?

Hello neolux,

Do you have a preproduction model?

Or a normal model?

Did you really find 1 sat? is it now for sure that there is certainly a GPS module in our Wings? I hope so, waiting for your howto.

Greets,

Niels
[HTC Wings] neolux23:
Hi, i have a production Model. And yes is it for sure that GPS is Inside in this dammed Phone. Because its integrated in de MSM 7200 Chipset. One Problem to activate GPS was a NV-RAM Value that have to be changed. And with the Standard ROM this was not possibel. After a lot of Flashing my Device i can now Change this Value. But the GPS isnt working corectly @ all. I get most of the Time 1 Sat and NO FIX. Its maybe the Antenna. Next Step for me is to Open this dammend Phone and try to fix this.
[HTC Wings] neolux23:
Hi Guys can anyone with a preprod Model or a Kaiser try something for me? i have only a prod model.

Include in the QPST-Software is a tool called "Service Programming" you get it starting like the nv_item manager. Can you confirm or not, there is a Section called "GPS" or "gpsOne" ?
[HTC Wings] erzhuo:
I tried it today, but it's not working.

The value stayed 11.
[HTC Wings] asimolo76:
No any news about ?

with official release of WM 6.1 htc have say anithing about GPS ?
[HTC Wings] 10332007:
It is not on the 730's spec sheet, so doubtfull you will ever see it come from HTC. Since Winmo is just the OS it is highly doubtful that it alone will enable GPS. Less of a chance from HTC since they discontinued this phone a month or so ago.

Your best bet is someone cooking it up, but most of the discussion left off with our phone missing some hardware that would allow the NV setting to stick enabling GPS.
[HTC Wings] Beretta1526:
From what I understand, the GPS module is only partially present in the production model. The portion that is integrated in the MSM7200 may be activated, but it also requires that an antenna be connected. I'm told the production model of the S730 lacks the antenna and the connection to that antenna. This may explain acquiring a single sat, but no lock.

.
[HTC Wings] asimolo76:
Arghhhhhh !!!!!!

is it possible that nobody has been able to open the model of production and check that the antenna is missing ? I can not open my s730 model production, someone has a manual ?
[HTC Wings] johankj:
I have a broken S730 production model (GPS was not recieving), what do you need pictures of?

BTW: It fell 10m onto concreet :(
[HTC Wings] asimolo76:
i have open my production model

I have opened my production model and i post any photo ....

I can try to modify my phone to enable the gps if it possible !!!

Please see the photos and take me and all the world the final solution , in the past i have find any photos of pre production model but i have lose it can anyone of you check the difference from pre and post production model of s730 ?

good luck

P.S. sorry for my bad english

http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img4246agy3.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img4247aks8.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img4243aqn3.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img4242afk4.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img4245alb2.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img4244aew9.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img4241ajq6.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img4246abg8.jpg
[HTC Wings] asimolo76:
no interest ?

:confused:
[HTC Wings] spone1:
Imageshack is so horribly slow, I can't get it to show more than 10% of every photo :(
[HTC Wings] znial:
http://it.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2eznyar&s=5

http://it.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2eznyar&s=5

http://it.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=21cw9c&s=5

http://it.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=aa88rq&s=5

http://it.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=atlyde&s=5

http://it.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=212ekv4&s=5

http://it.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=212ekv4&s=5

http://it.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=20zcgn8&s=5

btw reuploaded to other site ^^

imageshak is slow, but these pictures is really big!

maybe i did some mistake in the order of pictures and some are dubbled (sorry)
[HTC Wings] asimolo76:
no news ?

???????????????????????????? :confused:
[HTC Wings] asimolo76:
photos of pre-production

I can not find more photos of the pre-production model, we never had? or I think I? can someone open his pre-production model and taking pictures of the card to verify the presence of antenna ? see for example my photos .

I think that with the photos we could solve the problem

:D:D
[HTC Wings] asimolo76:
!!!!!!!!!!

we need absolutely the photos of pre-production model
[HTC Wings] Prema:
Now i am a xda member since 2,5 years and never felt the need to be active here...but hey its gps

Regarding Pre-Pro pics:

The only forum members that wrote about having a pre-pro model are

rafuz, narthexs and Dumdidum.

Narthexs had to return his mobile

Rafuz last activity on 5th of February 2008

Dumdidum refused to open up his model a year ago, maybe that changed by now?
[HTC Wings] asimolo76:
i have found this Qualcomm tool update 4.5

http://z3x-team.com/?module=articles&c=news&b=6&a=51

can help us to unlock the gps on wings ?

see also

http://z3x-team.com/?module=articles&c=news&b=6&page=2
[HTC Wings] tzitzu:
some hardware infos about htc s 730

ok after i turn the forum with bottom's-up and try all nv and reg and etc.. i half made it with gps but i had to hard reset it

so a valid thing exist or i can make a great soup with it

thx for your kindness and interest

i know newest firmware suport it

but old school one aint or maybe that all i can get till now

its an interesting topic , as must users here will need help and i'll be able i'll di it (lol we are a comunity we do things like )

as far the cpu support it the mobo have it implemented , the gpsone FW should be given but htc seems to play with some gumyballs

when i ask about they said nothin but they let me know they knew something and keep hidding it

maybe no enought guts and keep the moto " lets sell as much we cam for a brand new "mercedes" even for the cleaners"

seems we have (smartest guys here) find a way with gps tool and virtual gps i config it (working with registery) i know it use the rf

rtr 6500/6525 for reception and it not need an separate gps antena old school hardware aint lovely anymore for them

beside tytn II hase hardware+ touch gps working etc... bla bla

a topic with lets try that and that its welcome but anyway a topic with exactly direction for many newbies its more than greatfully

many do it coz they like to play with smartphones many browsing here coz they need solutions

whatever same question ""how do i enable gps? "

best regards tzitzu'
[HTC Wings] tzitzu:
i've uploaded a dump made with QPST memory manager on ftp

mention:phone have hard spl and wm6.1 cooked

i have one with original wm if someone want's it let me know
[HTC Wings] Rubberducky:
Hi,

I've just gotten a HTC Wings phone, i'm trying to read my NV items now, i followed the manual on the first post, but it doesn't work.

When running rtask c in MTTY it says:

Cmd>rtask c

Calibration

Card inserted

Cmd5 CMD_TIMEOUT

Cmd8 CMD_TIMEOUT

SD Init OK

SDFATChkConf: RhOpenFile() failed WINGCONF.txt

HTC_SMEM_CE_RADIO_DBG_FLAG:300

Enter Radio Image

And when i run 'Read from Phone' in QPST, it says the phone isn't present, what am i doing wrong?