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[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] EtherealRemnant:
Well as of right now, approximately 8% of Verizon customers who buy that phone are guaranteed to not have service at all and the realistic number is probably more like 10-15% given Verizon's liberal coverage maps. Verizon doesn't have their entire network on LTE yet, especially in rural areas and as everyone has experienced at one time or another, just because the phone says LTE doesn't mean it actually connects.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
I have never experienced that. My only bad experience was a slash through the signal bars. Never had fake LTE. Now I'm not having any issues. I do not think it's the coverage area that's the problem.

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I'm not very knowledgeable about any of it but it seems an LTE phone would need more than one band to boot up to. Something happens on bootup. Or something doesn't happen. I never drop or lose signal as long as I boot up with signal. But I don't know, hopefully they unlock bands 2&4 for us so we will at least know something.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] christiebunny:
It's a pity there's no one with enough legal background to bring a suit against verizon about all this, put some pressure on them

With all the various ways people have tried to fix it, and even the RUU not fixing it, especially in light of the fact it runs so cleanly on any other carrier's sims, there's basically no chance it's HTC causing the issues instead of verizon . Not to mention i DO have LTE data, just not calling-- but I have calling, and wifi calling too, on any other carrier. (I've tried several sims)

I also think it's far more than "8%" of U11 owners that have issues. But hopefully the update will come soon, and fix all these problems :(
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] EtherealRemnant:
You can't really hold Verizon accountable at all for a device they don't carry. All BYOD models have an out for any carrier lawsuits because they are not guaranteed to work on that carrier, its up to the manufacturer to bake in that support.

We had the same issue when T-Mobile launched Band 12 - people could get LTE but couldn't make calls because VoLTE wasn't available on their network on certain devices but the devices supported Band 12. The response was most of the industry disabling Band 12 on devices that weren't certified for T-Mobile's VoLTE.

I understand your frustration but in this situation, its up to HTC to make sure that their phone works with Verizon since they advertised it as such - that means they have to work with Verizon on their own to make sure its fully compatible. HTC should have just paid the CDMA tax to Qualcomm if they wanted Verizon customers to have the device, end of story.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] OMJ:
Agreed about HTC taking responsibility but it was Verizon that mandated LTE only...
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] EtherealRemnant:
Verizon shouldn't have any say in that. It sounds more like they refused to whitelist the U11 for CDMA. If you have an unactivated Verizon SIM and put it in the U11 will it activate? If not, Verizon refused to allow the device on their network - they can't control what someone does with their SIM card with the exception of blacklisted phones but they can control the CDMA aspect like Sprint does and refuse non-Verizon branded hardware on their CDMA network.

And if that's the case, that would also explain B2 and B4 not being available - Verizon cannot restrict B13 because of the open access provisions on their 700MHz but they can on the other bands.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
I don't understand, what does CDMA have to do with bands 2 and 4? Or just band 4? I do not see how a device can be stable with access to only one band. Band 4 is their XLTE advanced. It's not CDMA.

Verizon has never let us bring our own device, but now that they are they are not really, they are still restricting it by not allowing us access to bands 2 and 4. That is the only thing that makes sense.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] EtherealRemnant:
Well that's exactly what I'm saying. The Open Access rules on B13 require Verizon to allow any device to use that band - but it doesn't apply to CDMA or any other bands.

The LTE only Exalt that Verizon released supports B13/4/5. It obviously will work better than the HTC U11 which is restricted to B13.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
So CDMA has nothing to do with it. When my phone reboots with no signal, it seems to me it is cause it only has one band to boot up to. If that band is not available then there is no other bands and something is triggered to kill the signal. The only issue I have had 4 times now is after a reboot.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] christiebunny:
I'd agree.... except both HTC and verizon have said the U11 is guaranteed to work on verizon's network. That's WHY i bought it, verizon's the only thing I've got in the area with any decent signal.

And I don't think CDMA has anything to do with it, this is supposed to be an LTE only phone. I wouldn't be nearly as annoyed if I could call over LTE, or even wifi, but I can't on verizon-- but it works for calling and wifi calling on every other carrier I've tried, including tracfone which I think uses verizon's towers.

As for verizon 'blacklisting it', it's listed on HTC's site as verizon compatible, they even offer a 'verizon version', though the hardware's the same. And I've been told by several rep and techs at verizon, that it IS compatible. But no one at either HTC or verizon, seems to be able to track down the cause of all these problems. :(
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] EtherealRemnant:
The problem is that Verizon is only allowing it access to B13. B13 is heavily congested so they push a lot of that traffic onto B4. B2 is for rural mostly.

Say what you want about the lack of CDMA support, it DOES make a difference. If it had CDMA like the Sprint model does, you wouldn't have calling problems.

And Tracfone uses AT&T for BYOD.

Maybe this radio update has B2/B4 support. I wasn't aware until [MENTION=3795321]LibertyMonger[/MENTION] mentioned it that Verizon customers only have B13. Verizon could be actually certifying the device which would allow HTC to unlock their other bands on Verizon SIMs. Seems quite a bit late to add support for the phone though so we will have to wait and see.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
That's what I'm hoping for and hoping it happens within the next two weeks, if not I will have to return it for a refund. I'm thinking Verizon may have thought they could get away with only b13. But it's not working.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] EtherealRemnant:
FWIW, HTC just ended an app testing program so a release may be coming pretty soon.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] p50kombi:
Look guys, I know you have issues but please make a seperate thread for these verizon specific issues as I do not see what this has to do with updates to the htc u11 ;)
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
An update to the Verizon radio most certainly does have everything to do with the next update.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] p50kombi:
yes, but not countless to-ing and fro-ing of post regarding LTE or CDMA and lawsuits, you'd have to agree on that...
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] jnclocker:
I know when is our unlocked update coming? Don't wanna hear about Verizon anymore. They suck and don't give a **** as it is.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] OMJ:
unfortunately it does not...still only B13

what app testing program are u referring to?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Pay attention. It was already mentioned that the update is being held up do to some testing for the Verizon radio. Don't want to hear anyone whining about when the update is coming either. But I don't care cause I don't dictate what people say, at least not anymore. I was finished with the Verizon talk but if Verizon radio testing is holding up the update, it was relevant. Now since OMJ just stated it's not including band 2 or 4, it's settled for now. Complaining about someone's post doesn't make it any better. That's my final thoughts about it. I apologize if I was off topic.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] bioan:
Got it today for the EVE_001.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] eminc:
I think the mistake of htc is, trying to give one update for both new stuff and verizon fix. They could easily give the screen fix and 60fps as a first update, and then focus on the Verizon thing
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] rom116:
Not sure if you are aware, but i think all of the custom ROMs have the 60 fps and screen fix baked into them...So you don't have to wait for the US Unlocked firmware update to roll out to take advantage.

However, even though i have VIper Rom installed and it has those features, the 60 fps video recording as well as other video recording still has some frame drops. I am hoping that when the firmware update comes to us and I am running the correct firmware that will clear up.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] EtherealRemnant:
Well then I don't see how they could fix a damn thing.

The HMS program. I got the email that it's over yesterday which would tell me that the apps tested are ready to go into the update which is a step closer to releasing it.

We shouldn't have to go through any of that, we should have a proper update. Not all of us are interested in flashing our devices at this time, particularly with the dicey S-OFF situation and the inability to factory lock the phone. HTC needs to get its act together and push the update, end of discussion.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
A lot of us fellow XDA members really appreciate the little bit of information we were getting here referring to a possible update to fix our Verizon problem. No one who is isn't on Verizon don't want to talk about it, we are getting no support and no information as to why this bull sh%t is happening. We don't have any help so any help from anyone is very much appreciated, I do not think it wrecked your life. Not trying to be an ass but just because it doesn't concern you doesn't mean we cannot discuss it. It seems when people attack others for posting it just adds to the nonsense. Why everyone wants to be dictators is irritating. Let's just hope HTC does the right thing with this update and fixes this issue, I know Verizon is causing it but HTC sold Verizon U11's.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] p50kombi:
Then open up a dedicated thread is what I meant, this thread is here to report when updates are happening, not to report issues with carriers or when updates are not happening..

I'm not saying you guys shouldn't share this information, I'm just saying give it a dedicated space and not on this thread, what's so hard to understand about that?

You keep trying to make me look bad, I'm not sure why.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] axst_68:
Hello, if someone need it for UHL single sim

modelid: 2PZC10000

cidnum: HTC__001

cidnum: HTC__M27

cidnum: HTC__002

cidnum: HTC__034

fotadl-az.htc.com/secure/OTA_OCEAN_UHL_N71_SENSE90GP_HTC_Europe_1.27.401.5-1.13.401.1_release_508421mblbxch3xa0ws9fz.zip
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] eminc:
Well, I don't want to use a custom rom on my brand new device. I will eventually move to custom rom but I would like to keep it stock as long as I can
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Kisakuku:
WWE 1.27.401.5

OCEAN_UHL (Single SIM) | CID: HTC__001 / HTC__002 / HTC__034 / HTC__M27 | MID: 2PZC10000

OTA 1.13.401.1 -> 1.27.401.5 (courtesy of [MENTION=8531645]axst_68[/MENTION])

OTA_OCEAN_UHL_N71_SENSE90GP_HTC_Europe_1.27.401.5-1.13.401.1.zip

HTC / AFH ( MD5: eb5a430eefa6ff2399eae56abffc279d )

firmware_1.27.401.5_OCNUHL.zip

boot_1.27.401.5_OCNUHL.img

recovery_1.27.401.5_OCNUHL.img

Note: Unlike the 1.03.401.6 RUU and 1.13.401.1 OTA / RUU for OCEAN_UHL, HTC__A07 and HTC__J15 are not included in the list of acceptable CIDs for 1.27.401.5 OCEAN_UHL, since these two CID / MID combinations do not exist "in the wild".​
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] dephyr:
2PZC50000 BS_US001 WHL (Single SIM) US Unlocked. When will it be published?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] GraeFNZ:
Australia and New Zealand OTA for 1.28.710.4 is here:

http://fotadl-az.htc.com/secure/OTA_OCEAN_UHL_N71_SENSE90GP_hTC_Asia_AUS_1.28.710.4-1.11.710.5_R_release_508367w73qo7fr1y4ghlhy.zip
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] EtherealRemnant:
At this point HTC might as well just hold off and release Oreo really.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] EtherealRemnant:
Well HTC better push an update fast.

https://arstechnica.com/information...s-of-devices-to-attacks-no-clicking-required/
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] OMJ:
Field testing hasn't even begun yet... Not gonna be anytime soon
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] EtherealRemnant:
Oh I know. And when it does come, US unlocked will get it last anyway. This will probably be my last HTC because of their poor choice with regard to updates. Both Sprint and US unlocked should have been WWE devices. I'm not in the least bit happy that HTC ****ed all of us who bought the US unlocked model over. One of the advantages of buying unlocked phones has always been not being hindered by carriers when it comes to updates and HTC flipped the script for this phone and simultaneously took away permanent S-OFF and then on top of that they screwed over Verizon customers by making it seem like it would work well on their network to increase sales when the reality is quite the opposite. HTC obviously has learned absolutely nothing from their past failures and as I just typed this message, SwiftKey wiped out my words 5 times because of the stupid touchscreen bug that has been fixed in new firmware just infuriating me even more.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Just stop dictating. Move on. We have a thread, not getting any outside help or insight. Someone offered their perspective and it pertained to the next update and we appreciate that. Can't help it it doesn't effect you.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] p50kombi:
Sigh.. Fine..

Have a great day..

I'll make sure not to step on your toes again when trying to keep a thread on topic.

Not getting this update is making you very tetchy isn't it.. ;)
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] christiebunny:
It's making a lot of us 'tetchy' :p
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] OMJ:
Updates are so overrated, too many ppl get pissy because their model hasn't been updated yet. The us unlocked model is not entitled to faster updates than the other models. With the Verizon issues, I'm sure they are trying their best to resolve the issue, sounds like good customer service to me... They will push the update when it's ready. It's unfortunate for the other carriers on the us unlocked, but it is what it is...
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
No. I am completely fine. My phone is working great. Could be better with a Verizon radio update. Someone mentioned something about the next update is being held up due to some testing to the Verizon radio. If that is the case and it fixes our problems it will make a lot of people happy. It's really as simple as that.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] EtherealRemnant:
If I type at more than one letter per second speed, the screen thinks that I made a line and deletes the whole word which is incredibly obnoxious. If you had the problem you would be *****ing about it too. Of course asking HTC about it they just say that Oreo is coming soon and more details later, totally clueless as usual. The touchscreen bug takes this phone down from being almost perfect because it severely impacts the usage. On top of that, in multi tap games it screws up too which can be devastating in certain situations, one time actually costing me in game currency I had earned. I almost threw my phone when that happened. This was fixed in the kernel on the new updates.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Anon2016:
Ahh. HTC. Frustrating.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] michaelbsheldon:
What's he talking about US Unlocked getting something last month?

It didn't.

Last month was August, and most current update was on 14 July.

Proof: http://www.htc.com/us/support/htc-u11/news/
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Anon2016:
And now he "Has confirmed with head of US product management that it indeed did roll out." Anyone on Twitter might want to post something.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] michaelbsheldon:
The "Head of US Product Management" must be smoking the same substance that Jeff Gordon [MENTION=501059]urbanst[/MENTION]rata does......
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] OMJ:
Well maybe if you posted a link to the Twitter post instead of a screenshot.... Smh
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] EtherealRemnant:
Maybe there will be some action now. Who knows.

https://twitter.com/urbanstrata/status/908459338171215872
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Anakha56:
I jumped in on the bandwagon and gave my 2c. Figured the more people saying that their US Unlocked does not have the update will get some more traction. I bet the file has been uploaded and is there waiting but someone did not push the publish button :P.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 09Ram:
Look at what I just found:laugh::laugh:

Sprint latest update, but nothing new for US unlocked, which doesn't help me at all.

Anyway, here's the link for Sprint. http://www.htc.com/us/support/updates.aspx
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] joshiameya:
The balls on this guy, the management is delusional.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] jhill110:
It's (sprint RUU) been on the spreadsheet for a couple of weeks now by Mr [MENTION=4321403]Kisakuku[/MENTION]
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 09Ram:
This is probably what Jeff Gordon is talking about since Sprint seems to be the only US carrier :laugh::laugh:

And it's out before unlocked ?? Incredible.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nikosssb:
Just joined the twitter thread.. hope to see something moving soon..
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Kisakuku:
WWE 1.27.401.5

OCEAN_UHL (Single SIM) | CID: HTC__001 / HTC__002 / HTC__034 / HTC__M27 | MID: 2PZC10000

RUU

2PZCIMG_OCEAN_UHL_N71_SENSE90GP_HTC_Europe_1.27.401.5.zip

AFH

WWE 1.27.401.5

OCEAN_DUGL (Dual SIM) | CID: HTC__001 / HTC__J15 / HTC__A07 / HTC__034 / HTC__002 | MID: 2PZC30000

RUU

2PZCIMG_OCEAN_DUGL_N71_SENSE90GP_HTC_Europe_1.27.401.5.zip

AFH

Will upload firmware and TWRP backups in a bit.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] EtherealRemnant:
He confirmed that it was held up but the way he said it leads me to believe it was just this specific case and that Sprint and US unlocked should be released at the same time in the future and were actually meant to be released at the same time. Of course no set date but "very soon," which generally indicates 2 weeks, 3 weeks tops. Not ideal but better than nothing.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Ainz_Ooal_Gown:
So was this Sprint update to Oreo or just a patch?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] jelive:
Routine update to 1.28 few weeks ago.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Ainz_Ooal_Gown:
Okay so since I barley (2 days ago) got my sprint U11 does that mean mine already came with it? I didn't give it a test run on stock I immediately unlocked the Bootloader and flashed ViperU .-.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Kisakuku:
WWE 1.27.401.5

OCEAN_UHL (Single SIM) | CID: HTC__001 / HTC__002 / HTC__034 / HTC__M27 | MID: 2PZC10000

RUU

2PZCIMG_OCEAN_UHL_N71_SENSE90GP_HTC_Europe_1.27.401.5.zip

AFH

OTA 1.13.401.1 -> 1.27.401.5 (courtesy of [MENTION=8531645]axst_68[/MENTION])

OTA_OCEAN_UHL_N71_SENSE90GP_HTC_Europe_1.27.401.5-1.13.401.1.zip

HTC / AFH ( MD5: eb5a430eefa6ff2399eae56abffc279d )

firmware_1.27.401.5_OCNUHL.zip

boot_1.27.401.5_OCNUHL.img

recovery_1.27.401.5_OCNUHL.img

Firmware

Combined FullStock Firmware

OCNUHL_1.27.401.5_FullStock.zip

Combined NoWipe Firmware

OCNUHL_1.27.401.5_NoWipe_TWRP3110.zip

TWRP Backup

Untouched System Image + Boot + Recovery

Nandroid_1.27.401.5_OCNUHL.zip

Note: Unlike the 1.03.401.6 RUU and 1.13.401.1 OTA / RUU for OCEAN_UHL, HTC__A07 and HTC__J15 are not included in the list of acceptable CIDs for 1.27.401.5 OCEAN_UHL, since these two CID / MID combinations do not exist "in the wild".​

WWE 1.27.401.5

OCEAN_DUGL (Dual SIM) | CID: HTC__001 / HTC__002 / HTC__034 / HTC__A07 / HTC__J15 | MID: 2PZC30000

RUU

2PZCIMG_OCEAN_DUGL_N71_SENSE90GP_HTC_Europe_1.27.401.5.zip

AFH

OTA 1.13.401.1 -> 1.27.401.5 (courtesy of [MENTION=7521917]ziand_[/MENTION])

OTA_OCEAN_DUGL_N71_SENSE90GP_HTC_Europe_1.27.401.5-1.13.401.1.zip

HTC / AFH (MD5: 9be3a916acd1a8efeeb7243b95db3b76)

firmware_1.27.401.5_OCNDUGL.zip

boot_1.27.401.5_OCNDUGL.img

recovery_1.27.401.5_OCNDUGL.img

Firmware

Combined FullStock Firmware

OCNDUGL_1.27.401.5_FullStock.zip

Combined NoWipe Firmware

OCNDUGL_1.27.401.5_NoWipe_TWRP3110.zip

TWRP Backup

Untouched System Image + Boot + Recovery

Nandroid_1.27.401.5_OCNDUGL.zip
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] jtommyj:
You need to compare software versions of course but my experience has been that when it's that recent of an update it isn't on the stock that the phone was probably in.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] jelive:
If u didn't take ota update may still b 1.13 Can go ino download mode n look.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] tal_sarid:
You are totally right. Using the phone on 1.13 firmware for two months was really unbearable due to the touchsceen issues, camera lags and the freezes of google photos.

When I finally got the 1.27 update two weeks ago I was relieved to see that all the annoying bugs was patched successfully.

Updates are so important, and not just beacuse all the stability fixes but all the security patches, everyone should get them ASAP!
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] jnclocker:
I agree with you 1000 times. Updates are important and we should just stop buying phones that the manufacturer doesn't give a damn.. that way they'll learn a lesson and take the hit... A phone like essential got September updates before the pixel got them....... These are the kind of manufacturer that we should support IMO.... Than the rest who just want your money....
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
The only way you can change this is to stop buying carrier phones on two year plans. Most people depend on this but it seems the trend is changing.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] joshiameya:
For the first time I M experiencing severe lags on this device. YouTube, fb, insta apps are crawling, especially the scrolling.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] EtherealRemnant:
That's normally the case but the US unlocked isn't a carrier phone yet its looking to be the last SKU to get updated as if it was actually a Verizon phone (since Verizon is notoriously slow with updates). The best part is that nobody seems to give a crap at HTC. I can't stand Apple for moral and many other reasons but it's crap like this that pushes people from Android to iOS - Apple updates everyone, at the same time, and models are supported for years (iOS 11 is available for phones as old as the 5S - a 4 year old device). You buy any Android device that isn't a Nexus or a Pixel and you may not even get updates for a year or you'll get security updates but not major version number updates.

In HTC's case, they've traditionally been pretty good about updates on the developer/unlocked devices and actually have a pretty good track record with T-Mobile and Sprint updates since those carriers don't tend to hold them up. Not this time apparently unless you have Sprint. Maybe we will get Oreo in July if we are lucky.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Apparently it's Verizon holding up this update. We have a serious issue with us Verizon users, I hate to see an update get held up but if it fixes our issues I know I will be happy. If not then they have no excuse.