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[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Galactus:
Did you try the P7 Wireless. They actually upgraded the drivers used from the stand alone P7 (hard wired) model. The 99 classics are great, I prefer the warmth of the P7 though.

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To be honest, whenever I have looked for wireless headphones, the main ones I seen mentioned are:

Sony MDR1000X

Bose QC35

B&W P7 Wireless

Sennheiser PXC 550

I hear nothing but meh things regarding Momentums 2.0 lol
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] harkirat01:
I actually wanted to try out the wireless one cause everyone's been raving about them but sadly these guys didn't have them at that moment. Let's see when can I get my hands on them.

I am not a fan of warm sounding highs so maybe that's why I liked the Mezes more than the P7s. The Mezes just sound musical. They really have a fun fun sound :D
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Galactus:
Yeah it's a decent step up, so much so that wireless mode is better than the original P7. It packs a 1 volt amp inside as well, so it is actually louder in wireless mode than using the headphone jack on any smartphone apart from the V30 with its 2 volt amp.

I think genre of music plays a big part. I think the P7s sounded better when I was listening to hip hop, RnB, EDM, Dance, Trap etc whilst the 99 classics sounded better when listening to musical scores (GoT, Vikings, movie OSTs etc).
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] ShyamSasi:
I am hoping Razer phones adapter works with our phone. Atleast in paper it is Audio Adapter with THX certified 24bit DAC
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Borh77:
Hello

Does someone know if the JBL reflect aware sold on the HTC website works also on a windows PC ?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] warmarin:
Got a usb type c to 3.5 dongle working

Hello guys,:good:

I wanted to share my experience. My official HTC dongle for my u11 wasn't working either, so I bought this Xiaomi adapter just for the sake of trying (Xiaomi Mi Type C to 3.5mm Audio Adapter Type C USB C male to earphone on aliexpress)

As soon as I plugged it in the u11 said it wasn't supported, then I remember that i read about an app here that worked with chinese adapter, it didn't work either, but one of the suggested apps on the play store was Audio Router, so I downloaded it, and voila, i can use the xiaomi adapter on mi htc u11 at will.

Just set Audio Conector, the first option, to plugged and that's it. and select unplugged to get audio back to the speakers.

AND now the official HTC dongle works every time as well, (xiaomi sounds a bit warmer but really good nontheless).

[IMG="XIAOMI adapter"]https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1gEaGobwTMeJjSszfq6xbtFXae/Xiaomi-Mi-Type-C-to-3-5mm-Audio-Adapter-Type-C-USB-C-male-to-Earphone.jpg_640x640.jpg[/IMG]

Seems I can't post links but the names should suffice.

Hope this helps everyone (i'm guesing this should work on other phones):laugh:
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
Didn't know xiaomi did one, how the volume and audio quality compared to htc dongle?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] warmarin:
I feel it has slighty deeper bass, it might justo be me, but besides that i can't tell any other diference

I haven't sit down to do a in depth comparison, Yet I'm pretty sure they are pretty much the same thing
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
Thanks!

Did you try this app (root)?

It will be great if you can tell if the volume is louder with the Xiaomi, anyway is there any Hi-Res logo on the box?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] warmarin:
the app didn't ask for root, i have magisk 16.3 with no audio modules installed on htc oreo rom.

as for hi-res logo, the dongle came on a hard ziplock like bag, all in Chinese with no hi-res logo (just xiomi logo).

on loudness i'd say is the same as the htc dongle,

i kept the xiaomi dongle as back up, because the htc one works everytime now, so i'm using this one as it drives my xiaomi hybrid pro hd, grado 125e, and kz-kst loud enough for me, usually at 60% or 80% of volume. but first impressions are that the htc and the xiaomi dongle are pretty much the same. this weekend ill try to do an blind test once i get back home to try it with higher bitrate flacs.

one con of the xiomi is that you have to activate it everytime with the app. the htc is just plug and play

the xioami dongle is a bit shorter and thiner but feels well built.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Borh77:
I have received the new NextDrive Spectra X. Really small form factor and fantastic sound with Sabre ESS 9018Q2C.

It is not availble anywhere except on the Taiwanese shop. I had to contact them via email to buy it and they accepted to send it to France with DHL. It has the CE and FCC label so maybe it will be sold in the US and the EU in the future.

I had previously the Encore mDSD, very nice sound, but it had a lower end chip (ESS 9010K2M), the form factor was bigger, and most importantly, it stopped to work after only 6 months... The Spectra X is made in Taiwan so I hope the construction will be better than the mDSD which was made in China.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] *justintime*:
Curious for the next user who uses to connect the Fiio K1 on his U11.

I am out of ideas... Tried every cable and adapter possible in a cable shop.

With an OTG adapter it gives a few crackles and its over, no sound.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
Any new FW update for the HTC adapter?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] *justintime*:
Nope... Still the same.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
They are waiting that I buy the U 11 :p

Edit: Just saw the review of the A9 on GSM Arena, while it's still beat the U 11's adapter by 9 points in stereo crosstalk it's pretty close, and as far as I remember I considered my A9 royal for the 3.5mm audio, better than M9 but one step under the 10 which is pretty good
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] rmc6901:
My K1 and cable I bought is out for delivery. I'll let you know what happens after I try it out.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] eneka:
works fine with my fiio e07k with the OTG cable..
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] *justintime*:
It's not a problem in the phone my wife's U11 has the same issues.

Ordered one other cable and then I'll give up.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] rmc6901:
Just tried it on my U11 using a Fusion pro series cable. No go. Neither Power Amp or Google Play Music will produce any sound through headphones. Is there some trick to enabling USB audio in settings? It can't be this difficult.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] rmc69:
Fiio K1 and HTC U11

Ok, I went to Hifi.org and according to posts there they are claiming the K1 does NOT work with USB Android, meaning only for PCs and laptops.

Other Fiio's may work, but not the K1. If anyone here is using the K1 successfully with their U11 and 3rd party headphones, please enlighten us on any settings

you had to change, what player you are using and a link to the cable you bought. Thanks.

https://www.head-fi.org/f/showcase/fiio-k1-portable-headphone-amplifier-dac.21130/reviews
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Galactus:
Hmmmm works for me. The only other thing I did was try the K1 in my PC before using it on the U11.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fosmon-Mic...0426&sr=8-2&keywords=usb+c+to+micro+usb+cable
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] rmc6901:
Thanks. I ordered the cable you suggested. Will have to wait Saturday. Thanks for your help.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] *justintime*:
Ordered that cable too... I am a bit anxious. I have tried a dozen of cables and adapters in a store.

But do you at least hear some crackles? And does the led come on?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
Anyone compared the S8 3.5mm VS U 11 bundled adapter 3.5mm?

Is it really the same quality and loudness or one of the 2 is better?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] liam_davenport:
*This is all my personal opinion so may vary to your music, volume you listen at and what headphones you use. By any means am I an Audiophile I just enjoy music daily and a good set of Earbuds/Headphones*

I've compared U11 over adapter to OP3, S7E (Exynos) and Pixel XL all 4 devices stock using my Audio Technica ATH-M50X's at 75% volume

Kept it as fair as possible all using the same music player (Phonograph) and the same Flac file

Samsung S7 Edge (Exynos) to me sounded the best probably due to the custom DAC it uses while OP3, Pixel XL use the stock Qualcomm one

Followed by OP3/U11 pretty much on par both sound ok ish nice and loud. Average user wouldn't be able to tell

Pixel XL we all know how that goes probably the worst sound of 2016 funnily enough was the loudest of them all but just sounds awful really flat and distorted

To get the most of out of them you would definitely need and external DAC and if you own a HTC 10, LG V20 or a ZTE Axon 7 and care about audio I would skip this year unless you're not happy with those devices and doesn't matter if you run a DAC or not :good:
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
Do you know if S7e = S8 for audio?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] liam_davenport:
I'm not sure but the S7e isn't anything amazing I doubt the S8 is Samsung don't care for Audio.. This is the best they could do
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] rmc6901:
No crackles and yes, the blue LED came on. One thing before I got the k1 I installed the USB audio player from the play store. It sounded good, but I lost audio when using other players like power amp so I uninstslled it. I am going to wait until I get the cable on Saturday and if still no sound, may try reinstalling that app. If still a no go, I'll keep looking for another DAC.

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I agree. If you want really good sound as is without an external DAC or amp, there are 3 phones that provide that : the Axon 7, LG V10 and V20. Others like the S8, G6, U11 sound decent enough to please the majority, but you don't know what you are missing until you listen to one of these other phones with good quality headphones and source material.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] *justintime*:
Ahaaa so your K1 was working partially.

Mine never gave sound on the U11.

You can skip Dragonfly it only benefits on third party players. Not on streaming apps.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] rmc6901:
Thanks. I have the black Dragonfly. I wasn't impressed at all with any phone I tried it on.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Galactus:
Yes and if you root either one of them you can make it louder than the HTC 10 without distorting audio. The DAC used in the Exynos devices should be given more praise really.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
Interesting!

From what I heard VR

movies

are having black bars on S8? (not talking GearVR but Google Cardboard)
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] *justintime*:
Some nice background information reading on USB Audio support.

Also something about Kernel changes. Maybe something to check for [MENTION=4684315]flar2[/MENTION]?

So we can route all audio to an external DAC?

The Dragonfly routes the audio on Spotify and Deezer YT etcetera. But it doesn't benefit on audio quality or loudness. Like it's bypassed or something.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] reaktor TuT:
*SIGH* I'd love to move back to HTC but for now I feel driven to stay with a phone with a 3.5 jack and decent DAC. Such a shame as HTC was a leader in audio just a couple of years ago.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] rmc6901:
Actually, the more I listen, the better the U11 sounds. To me, usb audio is definitely different and you have to get used to it. I admit I'm spoiled by my Axon 7 and V10. At the end of the day though, the U11 sounds pretty good. It looks like usb-c audio is probably here to stay so we might as well get used to it.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] rmc6901:
Firmware update to the 3.5 adapter this morning. Not sure what was changed, still checking.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Timewise:
Hey guys, so I finally got my Hifime sabre 9018 type C dac, and here are my thoughts:

Apps used:

- Spotify (320 kbit/s)

- Neutron (flac, approx 1000 kbit/s)

- USB audio player pro (flac, approx 1000 kbit/s)

Headphones used:

Sony MDR-EX1000 (16mm dynamic driver, 32ohms impedance)

Sony Mdr-1a (40mm dynamic driver, 48ohms impedance)

The first thing that I noticed when using the Hifime was that the amp definely works, I had to use a much lower volume on it than on the standard from htc (although the volume of it never really bothered me). I didn't use any eq or other enhancements to keep everything as fair as possible.

But here's the thing... With regards to quality I didn't hear any difference whatsoever. At first I thought that the Hifime sounded better, but after a couple of hours I had to be honest with myself and contribute the difference in quality to a placebo effect, I really wanted it to sound better.

I did however see in both Neutron and USB audio player pro that both dacs were recognized as one was supporting 48khz (htc) and the Hifime 44.1khz. However, the same driver was used for both in Neutron.

According to reviews about the hifime it should be an impressive dac for that amount of money, and supposedly better than the K1. The fact that I didn't hear any difference with multiple headphones, files, and apps makes me wonder if an external dac (be it fiio, hifime, or htc) can even be used to it's full potential on Android right now. What if the dac from htc in the dongle is actually pretty good, but we can't properly use it since external dacs aren't properly supported in Android right now? Any thoughts about that?

In the end I was curious to see what the Hifime could do and if it could beat my Creative X-Fi soundcard, so I hooked it up to my motherboard (Asus RoG Maximus Hero VIII). However, I couldn't find the Hifime in my device manager so eventually I gave up.

Perhaps others can hear a difference with the Hifime, but I couldn't. Aside from that, the build quality is absolutely abysmal. The dac is extremely light, but it's still to heavy for the attached cable to maintain a proper connection to your phone. Needless to say I will be returning this.

I hope htc can improve the quality of their dongle through updates as I will probably stick with it. Finally I'd like to say that the dongle life sucks, and HTC should have included a 3.5mm jack, and give people the option whether they want to use their usonics or their own headphones. Then everyone would've been happy.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] *justintime*:
Thanks for the extensive testing.

It's strange though that Neutron and USB Audio player didn't make a difference.

The Dragonfly sure did. And in Neutron it was mentioned in the USB audio device.

External DAC and Android is a hit or no go.

It's a shame.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Timewise:
Yeah don't know why, both apps did prompt me if I wanted to use the USB device with the respective app though...

Perhaps there is a difference between your experience and mine because there is a clear difference in impedance between our headphones? 200ohm vs 48ohm?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] *justintime*:
No i don't think so... Because in Neutron it was telling me it's playing through the Dragonfly and the sound was superior.

And Amp was definitely working.

With streaming apps the amp sounded like it was off.

If it was bypassing or something. But definitely playing with the Android sound driver. It's strange though... If there is also a DAC inside the U11.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Timewise:
Hopefully now that more and more manufacturers are moving towards usb-c well see more high quality options for external dacs. Also, since Spotify will probably release a subscription with lossless music somewhere in the near future, they'll hopefully also support usb devices.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] duowing:
So this isn't the most scientific test, but I just received my SD835 S8 yesterday. So before I send my 11 back for the weird gaps and manufacturing issues I thought I'd do a test. I put the S8, U11, and the 10 side by side loaded up Vampires by The Midnight on Play Music over WiFi so it's playing at the high quality. I set all 3 to play at Volume level 11 because that's about the max I can bear. I'm using the 3.5mm HTC headphones as my test. So I made sure to update the U11 adapter to the latest firmware then began. I would play from 1:15-1:48 over and over just because it seemed like a nice test. The 3.5mm jack on the S8 is decent, but definitely quieter than the U11 with adapter, and way quieter than the 10. Then I went ahead and tried plugging the U11 adapter into the S8.

Well the sound is definitely louder at step 11 when the adapter is plugged into the S8 and just about two volume step behind the 10. The USB adapter to 3.5 didn't work on the HTC 10 though. I wish I had some better headphones to try and push. The sound quality seems to my ears through these headphones the same, but just at different volume levels. So I would say the U11 with adapter seems to be about 3 steps behind the 10 as far as volume goes. This is interesting to me because it makes me think that something could be modded to boost the output to the USB DAC and get closer to the 10. It seems Samsung must be boosting the power to the USB DAC for it to be louder. This is a completely unscientific test, but I think still interesting. Anyone have a Moto Z Type-C to 3.5mm they want to try out?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Freak07:
So a dragonfly red and uapp deliver very good sound alongside my audeze sine. I used flac files for listening.

I also had a chance to try it with a dragonfly black and I’d say if you aren’t on a budget get the red one. It is more harmonic and the sound is more balanced.

Overall if you are really interested in sound quality you shouldn’t use streaming services like spotify etc.

But there is a trick with the dragonfly I found on another forum. may work with spotify.

Play a file with uapp pro. Go to settings, hardware volume and max it out.

Press home button. Pull down notification bar. Stop music and exit uapp via x button.

Start spotify. Audio should be rooted via uapp driver. :svetius:
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Freak07:
I just confirmed that this neat little trick is indeed working with Spotify :)

So You are able to Use your dac also with spotify now and get audio routed via DAC :)
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] *justintime*:
Wow that's is a great tip. Unfortunately I send the Dragonfly back.. [emoji20]

Verstuurd vanaf mijn LG-H815 met Tapatalk
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 4ktvs:
I am not an audio expert but I have to say the HTC U11 does a good job other than a lack of separation compared to my Sony Z3 compact. It also lacks detail in some areas though most people wouldn't likely care unless they did what I did with the devices side by side. It did win in adding a bit more detail to drums. I guess that's from HTC liking how beat's does things.

Edit: I think why Sony wins in detail is because of it's software better able to deal with faults in the source such as lower bit rate MP3 partly leaving something out due to compression. Not sure how to better explain it and I could be wrong as my post isn't coming from being an expert in audio and is purely subjective.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
I am actually on S8 rooted, the sound quality and loudness are really good specially using the Dolby Atmos app which is very similar to Dolby on HTC 10 with earphones!

You should try this app on your U11, the surround effect can give the feeling of better stereo crosstalk, with the S8 the soundstage is now amazing thanks to Dolby Atmos
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] *justintime*:
Really? Did you go for a S8? [emoji15].

Dolby Atmos app... Hmzzz i guess i think I don't like that solution because of processing.

But i will try when it's rooted. Still waiting for Google Drive storage to kick in.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
Yep!

HTC Lebanon messed with price and availability of the U11 at a point I was disgusted, it's not available and will not perhaps before mid-July.

For now I really like the S8 and it's a keeper, audio is really not far from HTC 10 with the proper mods
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Galactus:
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[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] rmc6901:
I found out tonight that the usb-c adapter for the U11 sounds very good on the S8.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] *justintime*:
OK so i received the recommended cable. But again no luck only some minor crackles with the F1.

Then I looked in a box. And saw some cheap USB A USB hub.

Plugged it in the U11 and the DAC on a port. And guess what??

Volume increased and the stereo image is better. Even on the streaming app.

Wonder what happened with the Dragonfly because that sounded much better than the F1.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Galactus:
What Hifi put up their review and they describe exactly how I felt about USonic treble harshness and the adapter

Also noticed that using equaliser apps to boost sound, the K1 can get really really loud. The stock USonic can also get loud, yet using the adapter, it almost sounds like it is being capped, boosting more than 3dB results in what must be clipping, audio sounds squeezed.

Thinking of sending the K1 back though and just sticking with the USonics. I hate not being able to talk on the phone when someone calls. I don't think audio on the go is enough for me to get another phone though. The only other phone as smooth as the U11 with good good battery life and great audio is the iPhone and I already had a 7 and sent it back lol
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] rmc6901:
I agree. I'm pretty sure all the manufacturers are going to ditch the headphone jack, sooner or later. LG was the final holdout on the removable battery. It's only a matter of time before Samsung and others follow suit with the headphone jack. I'm hoping third party manufacturers will come up with a solution so we can use headphones and charge the phone at the same time.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Digitalkarma:
if i can get my rom up and running i will look into how to improve sound modifications. definitely an area of interest for me...
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] asafegous:
There are adapters for that
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Kisakuku:
Good luck finding a portable USB hub that fully supports fast charging, the bundled 3.5 mm adapter and the bundled earphones with ANC. There's a whole thread about that.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] asafegous:
https://www.google.com/search?q=2+i...&ved=0ahUKEwj-jaLVjOvUAhURfiYKHfU4Ac8Q-NEBCBE

Maybe not fast charge, but it'll top you off in the car.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Kisakuku:
It might charge, but you will not get audio. The bundled 3.5 mm adapter containing a DAC is required for this, so you have to use a USB hub. Have you actually tried the adapter you linked above?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] asafegous:
My device gets here tomorrow
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Kisakuku:
You'll see that the HTC adapter or an external DAC are the only ways to get analog audio output from U11.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] asafegous:
What do I need for charge and audio?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Kisakuku:
Read through the thread I linked above.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] *justintime*:
What i find strange is that the main headphone manufacturers doesn't offer USB C headphones yet. Over ear there are none.

The choice is very limited

JBL aware (very poor reviews)

Xiaomi (is a hit and miss on phones)

And some cheap Chinese headphones.... But must give them credit to produce them.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Digitalkarma:
can someone upload for me the audio jack adapter toolkit apk or the package name com.htc.fwupdatetool from their system folder if it is there. just wanted to take a peek...