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[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
I'm just not buying into the cry for security updates. We all want updates to improve our phones but using the excuse for security updates seems dishonest. This cry for updates is a never-ending complaint with all Android devices, not just HTC. People can get upset but that is just how it is seen. Everyone always threatening to leave for something better and nothing is ever better. But by all means, don't stop complaining, keep them on their toes lol.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Bey0:
I hope you are not serious about security updates being part of "whining". If you followed any IT security news you'd know that security exploits get used often within hours or days of being found/reported. Here we are talking months since the last update of this device. This can be extremely serious. Mobile phones are essentially internet connected computers and can be used (and already been used) to mine bitcoin (probably the least damaging aspect, other than material loss of the device/battery), to be part of a botnet, or steal personal / bank details in more targeted attacks. Sometimes no user interaction is needed, so cannot get away with "being carefull online'
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] gokhanknc1:
Do not deal with people who advocate for a flagship phone, update for 8 months. Because these people are heavy fanboys. And he gave his mind to the rent. It's really sad to have such people. What Htc does is less. Customer like sheep ... :rolleyes:
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] p50kombi:
Everyone is entitled to speak their mind.

Your opinion might not be other people's opinion.

I for one couldn't care less for these security updates.

Just because I prefer htc over other phones doesn't make me a fanboy, it's my choice and preference.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Ole J. Williams tells you who are the blind fanboys...

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I haven't had a "security update" on my HTC One M8 in years and I feel completely secure lol. My M8 is just fine.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] skinbis:
Shut up man with your condescending attitude. Do you think Google is stupid to be working on security updates and pushing them out? People are not whining. They are just asking for what's due them. "My M8 is fine" **** off man! It's not about you. If you don't need updates why are you here then?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Don't let my opinion bother you. Makes you look like you have issues.

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HTC has never let me down with updates. That's my opinion and I'm allowed to have it.

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So then you answered your own dilemma, buy Google phones or apple.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] android_patrizian:
This is after all about updates here.

Knowing that HTC doesn't support even its flagships might prevent some potential buyers from purchasing a HTC device. And might lead them to the decision to buy a secure and up-to-date smartphone (meaning everything apart from HTC). Anyway the hardware isn't too bad.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
And that is your choice. Making threats isn't going to change their business model.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] android_patrizian:
Once I wondered how a company that produces quite good hardware could loose hundreds of millions of dollars and their customer base. If you possess a device and/or read here it gets clear. Who doesn't put the client in the center of the business will vanish from the market, in this case sooner than later.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] mightywhites29111971:
It's as simple as that. I had the M7, M8 and the U11 and this will be my last HTC device. They do not care about their customers anymore. This is the reason why they will soon be out of business. IMO they made the best Android phones until about three years ago, and now they are in free fall and they just don't seem to care anymore.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
It has nothing to do with your imagination. It's all about over marketing.

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Like a broken record, the same old wore out complaints from whatever oem you change to. The U11 and the U12+ are still the best smartphones. You all will be back.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] mightywhites29111971:
There will be nothing to come back to. Their business model does not work. The Senior Management Team needed sacking years ago and fresh faces put in place. I don't like saying it, I've had Samsung and OnePlus devices, but they were not as good. It is not about creating good hardware, after sales service is more important. HTC do not provide it!
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nickluck:
That is way shortsighted point of view you're trying to defend. It's not true all oem are the same: my wife's Honor, Sony and Apple keep updating regularly. Sometimes security patches, sometimes bug fixes, sometimes new features.

It's undeniable (though you might try to deny it) that this will make customers feel more considered.

Current behaviour from htc just reinforces the idea they're sunk and it will make them sink even faster.

Honestly I don't see a way out for them. Once all die hard fans will abandon, they'll end up like Windows mobile.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Man the overall majority of people are not tech people like the people in here. They go into their carrier store and buy what is the best deal for them or what they are being sold. They do not care about updates nor do they even know what they do, they just want a phone.

HTC is not in decline due to their lack of updates. Enough already.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] gokhanknc1:
I hope, those who defend htc like crazy people here are taking the paying for their labor! Because these discourses can not be explained elsewhere! What are you defending? Did not you get updates for 9 months? You can like htc. I respect that. U11, my fifth htc device. But it does not stop me from seeing these facts. Htc is not old htc. Even if you do not accept this, the world is in a state of affairs. We pay these companies with money in a bag. And we have to take it. Think customer-focused; if you are not working for htc, of course ...
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Why do you care so much? Just buy another brand. Problem solved.

I support a brand I believe in. They are the innovators and they have never done me wrong so I want to see them succeed. Besides the fact they still make the best phones.

It's hard to survive when you got China wanting to take over poor little Taiwan and you got Samsung and apple Giants controlling the market. You buy what you like and we will buy what we like. Hopefully HTC makes a comeback. I'm quite sure it's in their best interest.

Why people get angry when we don't group think blows my mind lol. Like herds of sheep.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] gokhanknc1:
I get what I want and I do all kinds of criticism. This does not concern anyone. I can not be his slave because I bought an object!
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
I think the problem with HTC is far above your heads. It has nothing to do with updates or support. It is much more than that. Taiwan is a small nation with brilliant innovators but they cannot compete with super Giants taking over the market. Not when we do not have a free market capitalism economy. We got elitist controllers who pick winners and losers and we got China pressuring other nations to not do business with Taiwan cause China thinks they own Taiwan. It will backfire.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] xunholyx:
He didn't quote or mention you, but you of course needed to respond, thereby verifying his post.

Good job!
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] gokhanknc1:
I do not want you to answer my messages. You're free in bull****! This is not a good place to do politics. Chinese , Koreans ... These are not interested in me. I'm not a brand-addicted sheep. I defend anyone to death. I can say that right is right, unjustly unfair. I would recommend the same to you. Instead of throwing the whole crime on someone else, you have to see the actual guilty!
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] p50kombi:
Can someone pass the popcorn?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] xunholyx:
Sure. I'm popping some now. :D
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Keep on keeping on. It's a never ending battle. Get all your thrills all you want. Why you all get so offended over our choices blows my mind. Keep getting offended. We do not care.

It seems normal people would just move onward and upward.

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Lmao he didn't quote me but his message was to me so I don't have a right to respond??? His post is far from justified. Bam.

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I know it's easy to be led like sheep onto the bandwagon but these are HTC threads. Dog them all you want but don't get all prissy when we try to defend them.

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You all think it's a funny thing that HTC is struggling. HTC is the innovator of smart phones. If you think Chinese phones are gonna beat HTC you are sadly mistaken. Their prices might seem the new Awakening but that will come to an end. Rooting for HTC to fail is just plain effin stupid. But do what you do. It's not very smart but you will do it anyway. And continue in here with your bashing. Something I never understood cause I never go to other oem threads and bash. So it must be some kind of love hate relationship. Move on or support. This argument is getting so old and ridiculous.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] x_d_n:
The problem with HTC is that it's no longer a mainstream brand with strong carrier support, availability in most stores, etc. It's becoming a niche one with online distribution only where most of its customers are fans and many of them are tech people. A mainstream brand can afford a bad update policy (most users don't care as LibertyMonger said), a niche one with lots of techies amongst its fans just can't do that without complaints and they know it.

On another note, any news on the U11 security update? Is it definitely going to be the 1 June update (that's 80 days ago) or could we get something more recent when the update arrives?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] xunholyx:
Please post links to where I've dogged HTC devices.

I've never said I don't like HTC. Never! I have been critical of some of the things that they do, and so have many others, because they do have things that they do that are worthy of criticism. That's a fact. also a fact, I have no hate for them at all. If they didn't go to a glass back, I'd probably be rocking the U11 or 12+

Here's the thing. If I post something critical (not in this thread but in others), or anyone else does the same, you are jumping on here saying everyone is haters and uninformed and want HTC to fail. It's just not true dude.

You need to stop being so fan-boyish buddy. It's getting tired.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
So you say we should just accept that HTC is finished. Nah. Not gonna happen.

We both can deal with it.

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It's all getting old. Move on already.

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Why keep harping on a phone you don't like? I don't get it. Move on.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] xunholyx:
Did I say they were finished? I can't see in my post where I said that. I have however posted before in another thread a couple of months ago that it looks like they are failing and that I hope they don't.

Dude, for the last 5 or 6 yrs I have been a regular contributor on the HTC forums. My HTC devices are all dead, but I'm still active in the threads here trying to help people with HTC devices through their problems. Does that sound like hate to you?

I did say you should relax on the fanboyism though. And you should. You get in the most arguments on the HTC forums out of any members here. And by a lot. Seriously. The fanboyism is the reason why.

Anyway, this is super OT, so if you want to continue this conversation, contact me via PM

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Exactly, but don't forget that you weren't quoted or mentioned in the original post, but you had to jump in and be a fanboy.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Stop with the fanboys attacks. Like I said if you don't like what HTC is doing move on. We can prefer an oem without being labeled a fanboy. But I guess not cause it's fun to jump all over HTC. Stop preaching to the choir we will buy whatever phone we feel we want to buy.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] xunholyx:
Yes we can, but you are not.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
All your arguments are ridiculous. We have our own brains I promise you that.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] xunholyx:
When did I ever say you didn't have brains? When did I ever say HTC owners are stupid? When did I say anything even close to this? What is wrong with you?

I'll tell you something I did say:

This is super OT. If you want to continue this conversation, do it via PMs
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
It's so not off topic if the U11 is running great without a "security update". People like to complain. I know the U11 is not anything to complain about.

And my response was never meant for you. You just happened to jump in.

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We can keep crying over this but you all already made your minds up. You think HTC sucks because they are not perfect. We get it. No need to keep beating it in our heads.

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All of my HTC devices since the HTC One S are like new. No issues ever whatsoever.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] xunholyx:
It is off topic because not once have we discussed security updates in this thread between you and me.

And your response wasn't meant for me I know, but your response was a jump in on its own. I decided to jump in after that because your fanboiyism is getting old. It doesn't only bother me, but many others based on the arguments you start anytime anyone mentions an HTC flaw.

For the third time I'll say this: tghios conversation is OT and you can PM me if you want to discuss this further. I know you've seen me post that. So PM me. super simple

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Pretty sure it's OT since updates were never mentioned by either of us during this exchange.

So once again, if you want to continue this conversation do it via PM
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
It's not off topic cause people are whining over updates that are un needed [youtube]d6dXhzGx4Fg[/youtube]

I do not wish to continue this exchange cause it is it's ridiculous.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] xunholyx:
yet you continue here instead of via PM :rolleyes:

what are you scared of?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
For the life of my experience with Android I have never had to worry about security updates that is just a crock of crap. People just want updates. It does not matter what they are.

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LMFAO I'm not scared of anything. I laugh at all of you that try to degrade HTC. That is all.

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Do you even own an HTC U11???
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Dang... I just sold all three of my old HTC One S phones. They are tiny but they were beasts.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] xunholyx:
Why do you ask? I've never said anything about the u11 ever. And why don't you just go to pm?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Because, the whole point of my aggression is because of senseless conversations like this. No one is forcing anyone to buy HTC phones. We have a choice.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nickluck:
Oh my, leave him be. Don't you see he just wants the flame? I replied to him once but have seen it's pointless.

I also apologise for this further ot.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] xunholyx:
Once again and for the last time. I told you that if you wanted to continue this discussion that is fully of topic you should PM me. I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about that.

I won't continue here BECAUSE THIS IS OT. It has nothing to do about updates.

I don't want you to PM me any more. This conversation is over. Your obsession with HTC is correct. Everyone who has a criticism is wrong. They are just haters caught up in the conspiracy to bring HTC down. HTC never does anything wrong. Amen. :rolleyes:

Like I said. This conversation is over.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] p50kombi:
Damn, I ran out of popcorn before I even got halfway through your little lovers quarrel :laugh:
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Horatyu205:
I lost all the storyline already...this discussion is pretty sad actually..we all love HTC, we wouldn't be here in the first place if not..:highfive:
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Pantumaca:
What about the European update? Taiwan and USA got it time ago...

I must say that receiving the june patch almost in September is a little...mmm... disappointing
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] kurtschmeichel:
EU got the November patch in January, with nearly 3 months delay. And now June patch in August, also 3 months delay. So everything is normal.

Android P should come in January or February 2019.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] mlodykaras:
The answer is never. With HTC 10 was/is the same. I think management have been running around in virtual world too much recently to notice where their problem is. It's about carrying about the customer and not ****ing up lunches of their new products. If they still keep repeating the same mistakes (especially for the price we pay) everyone will stop buying the phones including me. Well most already did! It used to be so much fun here on xda. New versions of software, HTC always improving and adding things, flashing new viper ROM every couple of days. It's all gone quiet now. Let's just honour our beloved brand with a minute of silence and close the chapter and move on.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Pantumaca:
If I do not remember bad, the Oreo update in Europe had to be stopped due to some problem with some carrier and then restarted.

I can understand, but not agree with, those three months of difference between security patch and Oreo release.

But now, why Taiwan and USA got it and Europe is still waiting? Waiting for what?

Is htc really aware of their customers discomfort? We should do something
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Tassadar81:
You got the update?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 5m4r7ph0n36uru:
Europe is running the WWE = WorldWideEdition, and thus has to incorporate ALL patches for ALL carriers VoLTE and VoWiFI. That's why it needs so long: carriers don't report back in due time, as its not on their priority lists. HTC could roll out an update for sure, but what's the result of it:

People all over whining just more cause functionalities might be broken.

And according to SnoopSnitch there are still no issues/CVE HTC would have to react to, as they didn't even incorporate those bugs, security holes in their framework. So which discomfort are you referring to, the one of tech enthusiasts like us. We're just a small part of the customers really. And yes, Google does release a damn lot of securits updates. But most of the time only Google devices, or such devices running Android One, and the Google OS framework are affected, due to the very fact the security problems are in the Google OS framework many other OEM in fact aren't using at all. Wake up everybody, security updates are only a mock discussion after all.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] mlodykaras:
Do you still believe this myth? :silly:

How come when U11 was released it got 3 updates within first four of five months and WWE always got them shortly after TW and US updates. Why didn't they have to go through that long verification process back then? Just don't kid yourself. Software support is non existent. There are probably like 3 people working on U12+ and they have no time for other phones. Plus their customer support is just hilliarious. I had a first hand experience with them when my cousin's HTC 10 camera stopped focusing recently. And the saddest part of it all... I really struggle to recommend HTC to anyone of my friends anymore. That's how bad it got unfortunately and I've been HTC fanboy since HTC Hero.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 5m4r7ph0n36uru:
Well let me simply present you a proof of what you regard as a myth. They didn't have to go through this long verification process as VoLTE/VoWiFi hasn't been activated for all carriers on the U11 from the start. One example is o2 Germany, which is the network I'm using my U12+, and my U11 on. Those features haven't been implemented from the start, but got implemented and activated only with the third or fourth update.

Same applies on the U12+. VoLTE/VoWiFi aren't available for all carriers on the DUGL WWE version as of yet - again no such feature on my U12+ yet. They will arrive with Pie, because HTC has decided not to do the first verification run - due to the effort involved - before the release of Android 9 Pie.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] kurtschmeichel:
No, only observing…
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] mlodykaras:
Well that's weird. I thought those features are only enabled in branded devices (T-Mobile) for example and WWE doesn't need that as not many carriers are using this features in Europe. What about US though? They have WiFi calling as well and they get updates a lot sooner. And btw I'm on a network now with WiFi calling (Irish eir mobile) but it doesn't show up in the options as available in the latest software.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 5m4r7ph0n36uru:
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Actually I'm using an X.XX.401.X WWE based U11 and got VoLTE and VoWiFi enabled and working. So it's not only branded devices.

However, HTC has to check each time whether - and with which provider - these features should be added, tested and activated, and has to consult them in doubt. All providers that confirm that support should not be integrated will be ignored. Maybe that's the case with Irish Eir Mobile, or they don't have the feature activated on their network at all. However, HTC must check this for the WWE version for all providers and address it accordingly.

And furthermore the number of carriers to be adressed with each update are calculated - as I previously wrote in one of my posts

#Number of WWE carriers to check = (#Number TW Carrier + #Nuber US Carriers) x 10​

which is quite a large number.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] hristovvilyo:
If VoLTE and VoWiFi working before security update how you write:

This can't be the real reason for delay of security update how they told you:
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Yash24:
Q1. Hey i installed critical ops today played for 50 mins and drained 18%.!

I always get about 9 hrs SOT (Drain till 10%) without any game only apps like youtube whatsapp insta chrome FB Playstore.

Anyone who play this Game can tell if it's fine?

Those who play this please tell me.

Q2. AND ALSO

Here it is showing 1hr 45 min but I played for 50 mins(Just after installation).

[See Img attached]

How?

Why it's showing wrong?

Please Help