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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] juiceppc:
Can we all agree that the Camera is worse than the TyTN I in low(even moderate) light in all categories? That's pissing me off the most lately because I REALLY would like to use this camera and not have to carry an extra one around. That's the whole point of puttin one in right?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
Actually, it did not seem too bad to me with the fact the TyTynII is lacking the mini light that the TyTyn had and it really needs that for the card OCR. Biggest problem is the light restricting rear lens (take the back off your phone and then try the camera) having upgraded the camera app from the thread in this forum I find it more than adequate for my needs.

In the same thought that this phone does not replace a laptop, you can never have a substitute for a proper camera and fit everything else it does in a cigarette packet! :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] spider_j:
I have had my Tytn II (or o2 XDA Stellar, anyway) for 3 weeks now, and I am very happy with it.

I'm intrigued; how many of the people who spent $700 (mine was free on contract) did some reading on the device before buying it, or did everyone just go and get it on day 1? If you spent that much money without reading or at launch, forgive me, but you are really very naive. Most of you seem to be very technically savvy, so must know that nothing is perfect. The video driver issue has been very well documented here, and on other sites. Any serious research before investment would have revealed the issue existed very quickly.

My second question is, when you discovered that it was "piece of [insert expletive of choice]" as so many seem to think it is, why did you not just return it and get something else? Or stick it on eBay?

I knew full well when I got mine that there were alleged to be video problems, but I didn't get it for that reason. I wanted a phone, text, email, keyboard, doc editor, ebook reader, emergency web browser (I'm never that far from a PC!), GPS and stopgap MP3 player.

I have been pleasantly surprised, as I was expecting video to be a pain in the backside, but when I put 2 films on there last night, they are perfectly watchable. Yes, I had to re-encode, but it took around 7 minutes and 4 mouse clicks to do each .avi. I will not say that they don't run better on my quad core PC or my dedicated Archos PMP, but I would hardly expect them to either!

The scrolling on mine in perfectly smooth in the main, the program screen is the same, and I can honestly say that I have noticed no difference between TomTom 6 on this and the other 3 devices that I have used the software on. It's a damn sight smoother than on the youtube clip someone posted way on this thread.

I appreciate that some people have had problems. I don't doubt that this is the case for one moment, and they have my sympathy. Not everyone is in the same boat, though, or perhaps not everyone had the same expectation of the gadget that would be all things to all men. Cognitive dissonance over the price seems to be a major motivator here, as someone else pointed out. Without the pretentious psychobabble.

There seems to be a "black and white" divide on this issue; people are either saying "They are all broken" or "They are all working perfectly". This just doesn't seem to be the case. Some of use are happy, let us be happy! Every thread seems to be dominated by this issue. I am a natural cynic, and have been very happy with this device.

Just for the record, I am not newcomer to the world of pocket pcs. I bought my first device - a palm with a black and white screen - around decade ago, and have upgraded once a year since then.

For it's size, the Tytn II is a wonderful device - if it is working correctly, I concede - and certainly tops my list of the devices of this kind that I have had.

Incidentally, whoever thinks that 6 or 7 year old iPaqs performed better - get your old iPaq out and give it a go - I did, and the rose tinted spectacles shattered very quickly!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] unwired4:
Thats the thing I can't understand.

You can get pretty much all your money back on ebay with a state of the art device - or IF the device was mis-sold to you then you can get a refund.

Instead all these people are whining and throwing their toys out of their prams.

Just think, if you kept quiet, people wouldn't realise that you were foolish enough to buy a pile of crap in the first place.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Blowfish64:
Please stop saying that kind of complacent crap until you've tried out a recent Nokia or Sony-Ericcson phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gabriel31337:
I would say in the time of buying my Kaiser (10.10.2007) there weren't many reviews, and the ones being there were kind a describing Kaiser as a superior device.

It still is, its all-in-one feature richness cannot be beaten by anything on the market, but why just not get from the device all it could serve? Half speed cpu devices with correct gpu drivers can outperform Kaiser in any GPU drastic task. That's just unhidable fact.

I want ot ask you a question: Would you buy an nVidia 8800GTX card and use default MS drivers provided with the OS or you would rather use the manufacturer optimized ones if possible?

That's what is it all about.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gabriel31337:
Exactly. It's like saying 50 years ago there will never be a laptop or mobile phone.

Dude, it' called technological progress :cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
I just new someone would come out with a reply like this...:p

Tell me if either of the devices you quote have ALL the functions of the TyTynII??

They ARE dedicated camera/phones but are STILL no replacement for my Canon camera..GET REAL!!

Look, no one here is saying the TyTynII is perfect...This thread is for people that are HAPPY with it! For a change from all the whingers.

Are they not entitled to their opinion as you are?

What's wrong with that?? :)

EDIT: Quite funny actually, its like watching a sketch from Python's 'Life of Brian'... 'Persecute the heretic, KILL the unbeliever' :D:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] spider_j:
Of course, I would rather use the manufacturer optimised ones. But if there weren't any, and using the default ones meant that I couldn't do what I wanted, I wouldn't have bought the card either!

As I said, it sounds like you know what you are talking about with technology, so I can't believe that you haven't been bitten before (let's face it, we all have!). Surely before making a big investment, "wait and see" is a better policy?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gabriel31337:
Luckily i didn't spend much on my Kaiser (used O2 points to buy it :D) that's the biggest reason I'm staying with it :rolleyes:

But:

What if that graphic card would have nice advertisement and also assure you with full media experience? Would you buy it? And then realizing there is something wrong what would you do? God bless nVidia is not a sucker company and CARES about its customers :rolleyes:

Edit: hm... we could discuss here forever, this is leading nowhere. The cruel fact is we have that device and there is something wrong with it. Don't tell me 7000 people comparin to you 6 without these problems (or just happy with its poornes as it is now) is not proving that fact :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
Have you got this comment permanently on your clipboard and just keep pasting it everywhere?

Every thread seems to contain the exact same comment from you??:D:D:D

It is a good point though and I do agree with it. Still have to say I'm happy with the unit but as others on here have said, could be HAPPIER!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gabriel31337:
Show me which ones :)

And yes, the relation is just ideal so I will use it every time needed
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bronx:
yupp... You're 100% right Mate.

as I stated before it would be great to play final fantasy or tekken 3 on kaiser, but we cannot for now.

so what? shall I bin it then? as I said before, it is quite fast and behaving rather normal for wm device. at least from htc. I simply don't believe that wizard or any other praised device will be that fast stuffed with all the goods that most of us use.

get real. there are only two options:

1. HTC listens to those whinings and releases update (... well I doubt it as they don't give a damn)

2. some briliant dev makes a homegrown fix/drivers (..... well.. none of us have the specs, docs and tools for the msm7200)

I believe that threating them and ussing offensive tone doesn't help at all.

to repeat once again- HTC never advertised Kaiser as a multimedia machine with acc 3D gfx capabilities. period.

br

bro
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TexasPenguin:
+1

I use TomoTom almost every day for business.

Yes, the camera sucks in low light - big deal.

Yes PIE scrolls ridiculously - but Opera mobile doesn't.

Every device could be better, this one is without a doubt the best I've used including the 8525 and the 8125.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Vosberg:
OK, 50 cents (or higher with inflation:) ), The TnTY 2 that i have has meet the criteria that i needed. I was tired of carring two units (a Tungsten T5, and an Ericson W810i), and wanted some thing that would accomplish what i accomplished on both of the units. I needed something reasonably fast, small (cause in the future i need to get a laptop for the main side hobbie / responciblity that i have - Graphics design), and have my touch screen back. So initally i got a E62 - and hated the Symbian Operation system. Blackberry is a phone that i did not need, as no email, no web browsing, and no touch screen (i got used to the touch screen from 5 years using a palm) The Palms that AT&T Wireless, sorry, Mobilty, has out do not have the graphite area, so they were quickly ruled out. So i got the Tilt, flashed the ROM so that there was no all the stupid "bloatware" on the phone, and have been using the device for about a month now. I did my resurch, checked with all, but found about this group of people (which, by the way, ye-all have been a huge wealth of knowlage!!!) and having no major issues with the device. Yeah, with any device there are good and bad points. The majority of the time, there are only a few that will acturally complain, or to be iritated about the weak points, as most oft, the good actually out weighs the bad. I feel that that is the same way with the TnTY 2... But again, that is just the humble thoughts of one, i could, and if need be stand corrected!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] juiceppc:
Nokia does.

I will try that updated Camera app.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Steve-C:
Interesting that the slowest of the three so far seems to have a ROM version in the middle, yours is the lowest version (so I'm guessing the oldest) which is the fastest, mine seems to be the highest (again guessing newer) and it's pretty much middle of the road. Also the FPS seem's to be the highest (or nearly there) on all three.

Would be really interesting to get this test and the spec of people that aren't happy with the devices to see if there is a particular ROM version or something that shares a common thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Steve-C:
Which one? I was considering the later Communicator range this time around as I had several of the previous incarnations and they had finally started to get close to the compatability of my HTC Uni and Windows, but the Symbian OS put me off.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] unwired4:
I had a Tytn and now I have a Tytn 2.

With the latest software, the camera is better in the Tytn2 period

The image resolution is significantly better and although its slow in low light - the resultant images are better. The flash on the Tytn was only worhtwhile for taking pics of business cards and the like. It was useless otherwise.

I love having a 3mp camera in my pocket all the time BUT - I take a proper camera with me when I am going on holiday.

And back to the point: everyone who argues that the device does not match the sales literature should return it for a refund. If you are right then the retailer/network cannot refuse...?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] borealcool:
Now this is the perfect example of someone who is satisfied with his device and didn't just come in this thread to either counter-claim, bash or insult the thousands who feel have been deceived by Qualcomm's specs. The rest of you happy-go-luckies, including the OP, should be ashamed of your flame-baiting comments.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
WHA??

Hold on there guy, did you read all the posts in this thread (mine for instance) from the first to the last??

Most of the 'counter-claim, bash or insult' as you call it came from the -VE lobby to our first 'WE ARE HAPPY' posts and we replied to, as is our right.

Poor old mikechannon came into this thread with his views without a single 'counter-claim, bash or insult' and a realistic way of trying to examine the problems people have and found himself NAILED TO A CROSS!

Is it just me or do some people see just what they WANT to see at times.:o:rolleyes::D

Ya have to laugh at it really. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] borealcool:
Please, your first post was on the 8th page and what did you have to offer? This ridiculous statement:

You are a well established HTC fan boy around these parts, but that statement takes the cake. No one has asked for or expects a unit that is "great at everything", just one that's above mediocre at a basic function. No one has flamed the unit on all it's functions either. Just a very important one that happens to involve 90% of your Pocket PC experience, which is visual interaction.

As for your singling out mikechannon, yes I know he is a moderator with thousands of posts under his belt. But to imply that 7000 people are the ones with "random" defective devices when it should be the 5 or 6 odd men out is preposterous. The percentile with an issue is overwhelming and if anything is laughable and has been laughed at plenty, it is your corporate lacky self, Farsquidge.

Here's to the fallout of your idiotic loyalty !
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
Ha Ha, you just haven't a clue how ridiculous and (TOTALLY wrong) you are...I work in Customs and Excise as a Systems Engineer if you want to know and have 0% corporate ties with anyone..Probably get arrested if I did..:D

BUT.. and this is the main point..YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR VIEWS !

AS is anyone else...

It seems (if going by your reasoning) that HTC have lots of employees on here because everyone that says its OK (but with faults that NO ONE has dissagreed with!) must be one. :rolleyes:

What's your problem? Why if someone says white to your black do you have to insult??? :p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Steve-C:
As you said to me...chill. :D It would seem that the -ve's of this world will not budge, conceed, compromise or accept any view that anyone could be happy with the steaming pile of dog do (the -ve's opinion, not mine!) that is the Kaiser. We +ve's have been happy to say we are ok with the device, but understand and have sympathy for those who aren't. We just get flamed and insulted back.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gabriel31337:
Hm... so if Qualcomm is the manufacturer of that chip, shouldn't Qualcomm provide the HTC with proper drivers?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] unwired4:
I propose a Kaiser Challenge!

All the -ve's can go into their retailers/network and demand a refund as their devices were obviously mis-sold/not fit for purpose etc etc

Whilst all the +ve's take pics of them on their Kaisers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] weasel:
Chalk up another happy customer :) - yes I could be happier :D, but overall satisfied with my Kaiser. Sure it has its problems, but overall, it is fit for MY purpose.

My personal gripes are:

Some issues with bluetooth A2DP on my Plantronics headset, but bluetooth quality for the phone is fine

The camera sucks, but I have rarely used any camera/phone anyway - and I understand the latest camera software is an improvement

I use Opera for web browsing (PIE has always sucked) and its adequate and have no interest in playing videos, so can not comment on the drivers etc
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bronx:
:-O

I just cannot believe that senior members of this forum behave this way...

forum is for sharing info/ one's point of view/ disscussing, but You've gone to far. why don't You let other people have their opinion? why so many insults?

is it because of the way You've been raised by Your parents or are You hater by nature?

LET US HAVE OUR OWN POINT OF VIEW AND DON'T TRY TO SHUT OUR PIE HOLES AS WE HAVE RIGHT TO CHATTER IN HERE ASWELL.

stop flaming and if You don't agree with us then do not read this thread anymore.

thank You and sorry for caps You all netequette lovers... ;)

br

bro
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] unwired4:
The irony of the negatives flaming this thread is just too much...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mike19722:
?????

this thread is sooooooooooooooooooo stupid..........keep your opinions to your selves.....just don't use your f*!king camara in low lighting!!!! is that so difficult
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] XtreMe_G:
Ok, here's my contribution to this so call "happy" user thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1rzCAmpt9s

Hermes vs Kaiser, TomTom demo at 200%.

If anyone wants other kinds of test, feel free to ask, while i still have these two devices in a "stock" state.......both "happy" and "unhappy" users alike. I will try my best to do those tests.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tyeo098:
You obviously never got laid...

There is no bright-light conditions...:D:D:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hv_thugg:
whats this thread about again?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bronx:
lol...

mods! can someone lock/trash this thread please?

I think, that we are getting nowhere with it.

thanks

bro
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] budakjb:
Happt User

This threat is for people taht happy with their Kaiser/Tytn II or what ever u called it..

if u dont happy with yours devide..dont post it here ..

I m happy with mine... :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Steve-C:
I would be interested to see the comparison on PIE scrolling the main page of this site. Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] spider_j:
Only if every complaint thread is being locked as well.

Honestly, the thread was started for users that were happy. I feel that it would have been a useful exercise for potential buyers who may come across this forum, the foremost site of it's kind, looking to see if the device is worth buying.

A lot of the stickys are negative, to do with the video driver issue, which is an issue that does not affect a lot of people, but when those people try to have their say, a torrent of immature and semi abusive ranting is the response. Not all of the pro-Kaiser posts have been any different, but the whole point of the thread is "Happy users post here", not "Try to persuade the unhappy users that they are wrong, and then the unhappy users can flame you".
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bronx:
yeah... I know. how to say this..? I've started this thread.. :P

the purpose of it was to show that kaiser is not that bad and calling it crap and flaming HTC in majority of hot threads is immature.

whatever...

br

bro
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ekw:
im a happy user. I recently decided to change roms(from stock). And now my gba emulator plays at 90-110%, compared to 50-75% on stock. Never knew pokemon ruby can be so addicting!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] XtreMe_G:
do you want that with or without the scroll bug fix on the tilt?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Steve-C:
With please! I already know what it the Kaiser looks like with the bug. Thanks for doing this, I'm a visual person and tend to understand better from seeing than words.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] XtreMe_G:
Here you go, 8525 and tilt scrolling the main forum page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eidUxLO00BE

apparently the 8525 wm6 stock rom also has the PIE scrolling bug, i never knew. then again, i never really used a stock rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Steve-C:
Now thats interesting, PIE bug isn't Kaiser specific. Dunno why I thought that it was. Assuming the fix was inplace on both models, the Kaiser (thanks to the little timer thingy) is about 18 seconds faster scrolling the page and seems just as smooth.

Thanks for making that video, now I'm really wondering what all the fuss is about! Possibly the people complaining about PIE still have the bug, or are using more RAM/GUI (take your pick) intensive applications...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rwcozens:
Happy User

I too am a very happy user. I read all of the threads where people are complaining about everything and most of the time my device does not fail in those specific departments. I have been using PDA's for a long time from Palm to HP and now finally HTC. I have had the Hermes and now Kaiser which I am very pleased with. Used mainly for business use and not games (Have the PS3) and besides games are for after hours.

It is best to look at the positives as NO device is 100% best at all functions plus a forum like this gives the fundies a way to fix drivers etc. I will be purchasing the next best device from HTC...maybe Tytn III
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
Whoa mate! I hope you have medical insurance!!! (not for your choice of device cause I agree) as you have decided to expose yourself...:rolleyes:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] XtreMe_G:
i wont read too much into the kaiser "winning" the scoll by 18 seconds. If you notice.......the page appear bigger on the hermes, which might have made the scolling slower.

i have to add one thing though, the hermes did load the main forum page faster than the kaiser. I know there could be plenty of variables, network speed etc, but before making that video, i did open the page on both devices a few times and the hermes was faster every time. dont know if that info in actually worth anything though, like i said, there could be a lot of factors influencing it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fibb:
Another happy user here. Have looked at some of the vids and am wondering whats going on. Currently running one of Dutys roms, but found my UK T-Mobile Vario III to be pretty nippy from the start. Its just replaced my old universal so have a resonable amount of experience with these. Quiet a bit of software onboard including memory map nav and TT6, havent had any problems so far. My one scrolls quiet happily, switches land/port quiet fast, and navigating the menus is as fast as anything else I have tried.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Steve-C:
Similar to me then, I came from a Uni and run MM5. It's nice having the extra on board storage and integrated GPS, but don't you miss the screen and keyboard of the Uni?!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fibb:
Screen yes, keyboard no. The problem I had was that I fix scientific instruments for a living, and the uni didnt fit under my labcoat. Especially not when my pockets are full of spanner, bits of pipe, spares, etc. Just hope they manage to get somehting out with a higher res screen in the same size package. I actually get on with the kaiser keyboard OK.