yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] live2themaxuk:
Yeah i look forward to this, its definetly the best thing to try first. Is this what jockyw2001 is working on ?

Lets hope you can do it soon.

Jamie
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Dagnelinos:
just for information... a probably date for test a working SPL with RTAST Command? :D
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
I think yes ^_^, i have send him all my shared OEM Rom Folder to test this.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] live2themaxuk:
Looking forward to it. . . . . donations waiting for great success!! :D

J
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] rbiez:
I have a Niki with the following Protocol version, but no wifi or gps:

25.61.30.03H
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
I see ... i am to 100% sure ... Polaris and Niki use the same Radio Roms! :cool:
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] florent85:
For me the radio rom is 1.58.16.27 and the protocol version is 25.61.30.03H
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] sterbaya:
Do you think wee can extract Polaris Radio to flash a Niki ?

If there is a problem, I think we can boot Niki in canary to flash the original Radio.

Do you think we can brick a niki with polaris radio (only) ROM ?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] clonmult:
The only proof will be to check the contents of the two side by side; it is possible (albeit not probable) that they could have the same version numbering for what is ultimately two completely different code bases.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Billokko:
Me the same
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
New very Hot Infos!

I mess today with a lot of radio roms!

This is my tested resulte!

Kaiser, Nike, Polaris and Wing can use the same Radio Roms.

I have compare a Nike and a Polaris Rom. Both are the same!! If you check your Protokoll Version, you can see W or H on the end. This is a Hardware ID.

This create new questions!!!

Do we need more then Edit the NV item to get GPS to work? Possible Radio Chips with Hardware ID H are only Device, they have buildin this Hardware function? What Hardware ID are possible? I have see some Kaiser with other Hardware IDs.

NEXT about Wifi!

I have open the Nike SPL 1.12 and 1.16 and have compare with a Kaiser SPL. I think, the SPL init the WIFI Hardware!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] live2themaxuk:
Good going mate. keep up the good work.

I have had a look at an LG KS20 service manual today, its very interesting, with lots of infomation about the circuits and software/hardware etc. Does anyone have or know of a similar service manual for the Touch Dual? I think it would be VERY helpful here

Jamie
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
For Dual i havent see a Manuel! ... but can you share the LG KS20 with me?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] live2themaxuk:
Hi there looking at the

http://rapidshare.de/files/38526183/EN_KS20_SVC_ENG_1123_1.0_.pdf.html

Look at pages 35- 35 and 77. It clearly shows what chips to look for for Wifi . it seems the MSM7200 is almost like a 'motherboard' but you still need the Wlan and GPS 'modules' for it to actually work with those things

I think, we someone is willing to scan some HIGH RESOLUTION pictures of the touch dual's internals, both sides of the circuit board, using the above manual, i think it would be pretty easy to ascertain if the nessacary chips exist.

cheers

Jamie
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] SoftTuning:
Hi guys, in this days I will try tu use an SD wifi in a card reader insert in the external mini usb of the niki... If it works I wrote you here the solution and the instruction to do it.

Stay tuned!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] spone1:
Dont waste your time doing that, SoftTuning. It will not work due to the way how USB works. In order to connect a card reader you will need a host (an A) port, not a device (B-) port such as the one on the phone.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] graey:
Well, actually there are converter cables for miniUSB to the big host ports, and there is a host-usb driver out there for WM6 (maybe 5 too), but it only supports mass storage and HID devices (it was around here at XDA in the development section). So the 'only' thing that remains is a WLAN driver. And that's a tough one, as there's not probably gonna be one driver that works on all usb-wifi adapters. It is theoretically possible, though :P
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] leonida73:
i agree with u!!!

All the way!!!!!!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] leonida73:
Still continue to agree with that post.....
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] leonida73:
Still stand with that opinion...

Double!!!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] grewofthegrew:
hello

can you say me if i can have gps and wifi on my touch dual.

i m french.

i m reading post.

but someone says yes or another one no

help me thank you
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] leonida73:
Hi,

i suggest u 2 continue reading... you'll understand your own...

Shortly: there were people that told that gps and/or wifi were built into but disabled.... FAKE!!!

That people took money from donations and gone away!!!

In my contry that is bad, that is called theft... but in the net?

If u want gps buy an external bluetooth antenna, if u want wifi change your phone
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] cefoul:
Just to clarify a point. Technically speaking, wifi is really built in, but it's disabled. It could only be enabled at a low level, within the bootloader (SPL), not with any rom. Regarding donations ... I'm away from these discussions. I'm an old Internet user, and very disappointed how the Web became a money maker. I remember these old days you easily found around the world people enjoying to help each others .. just for fun against commercials companies.

Now, like in any other things, money became the king. But we get what we built ... Don't blame others, we are all humans.:(

Cheers.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] webvan:
It's certainly very disappointing that these guys have dropped off the face of the earth (well at least these forums) with feeble excuses (pictures of wifi working are on my girlfirend's laptop, etc...) but if memory serves they weren't asking for donations out of the blue, it was to buy a test device that they could experiment with.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
tztztz

I doesnt gone away ... i havent took money, but i have hardly brick my first HTC Niki. You are a idiot in my eyes ... sorry this Project is died since valvarin isnt avaliable. I am angry to about him ... **** hapens. Next time ... buy i device with functions you need and dont cry about unsupported possible cracks.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] biktor_gj:
So then F*CK YOU STUPID MORON. Now you pissed me off. There's no WIFI, nor GPS on the Nike., You get it? NOTHING. You could have opened your fu**in phone to see it by yourself, but you're too stupid and too lazy to take 4 damn screws apart and see for yourself that there's indeed no Texas Instruments WLAN module (the only thing HTC puts on it phones for wifi), neither there's is an antenna module, not from qualcomm or anybody else inside. Buy a phone wich has it if you want, or go f**ck yourself, I don't give sh*t, but if you want something do it yourself. Or find a Pretec MicroSD wifi module, or enable USB on the go to get host usb working. But please, shut the f*ck off and stop blaming others. I guess you don't like being insulted, do you? neither do the rest of us. Buy a life.

The fact that you donated money (unlikely that you personally did) doesn't mean that there's gonna be whatever the f*ck you want. I'ts not on the phone. It cannot be enabled. Get it?

@Eveyone else: Sorry for the post. It really pissed me off.

@Mods: Why hasn't anybody closed this thread yet?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] shinji_73:
I already asked to adimn for closing this thread and here's the answer:

"Hi,

I've looked at the thread briefly but don't see a reason to close it. if there's a specific post that is offensive, pleas report it with the report function and a moderator will take a look at it.

Best regards"
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] rling:
If they wont close it, then, mods, please unsticky it, and let it die naturally.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
We have compare all phones ... you tell nothing new ... both are inside, but gps havent the right antenna and rf chip. Its very difficult to explain. Its like Wing and Sedna.

I say the same hehehe

Host USB isnt present!

yes ... please ... this is a zombie thread!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] biktor_gj:
First I know I tell nothing new, but it seems people don't read more than the last page of each thread, so it seems like we have to repeat it over and over again. In fact I already said this very same thing some time ago on this thread...

About the wlan ic, if it's there I haven't seen it. I took photos of the main board inside (some here http://rapidshare.com/files/210484243/100KV803.rar), and I saw the brf 6300 ic (bluetooth module), but no traces of a tnet wlan module or anything like that. On the GPS side, I know (I've seen qualcomm's product brochures) that the msm7200 platform does support gps and agps, but that doesn't mean it's "populated" for calling it something (my english is not that good :()

Anyway, about usb host, in fact it is present (http://web.archive.org/web/20060615....com/download_library/pdf/msm7200_chipset.pdf). USB on the go standard tells you can switch from client to host using the same wires (http://www.usb.org/about/faq/ans6). You don't have vout, so you should need to get +5v from somewhere else to powerup the device, but it should be possible to enable host mode anyway (don't know how to switch from client to host though)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] leonida73:
bla bla bla

Results?

None?

Oh what a mess!!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] rumble291:
Woahhh! Chill out!

Think about it!

What the guys here at XDA developers do is so good! Without them we would be stuck with boring bog standard Windows Mobile devices. When topics like this one appear its purely to see if it is possible and if it is then it most probably is done. Its not guaranteed to have WiFi and it to be working perfectly in hours! Like everything it takes time.

You might flame at everyone but the main point is.

If you want WiFi get another phone with WiFi.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] leonida73:
Ok, my mistake...

Wifi is present, yesterday hack my nike and enabled it for 4 hour, then...

it doesn't work anymore...

...stay tuned...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
no you didnt.

please close this thread, mods
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] leonida73:
Ouch!!!

U GOT ME!!!

Or not...

I will continue with tests about WIFI
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] carlosmozas:
Any snapshot to prove it? :)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] matiu:
Fake... wifi is impossible...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] webvan:
so where is Valvarin? Looking for a new girlfriend ?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] leonida73:
Snapshot...

As soon as possible...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Tim4:
it's too late for learning Adobe Photoshop :D ;)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] biktor_gj:
Buy yourself a life.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] leonida73:
A step closer...

now working enough to.... what... ****... ahmm doesn't work!!!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] tsowen:
This is my only warning to you all, I would sudgest you be a little more respectful to your fellow XDA members and also read the rules.

2. Be polite and respect your fellow xda-dev user.

There is no need for cursing, flaming, racism or personal attacks. There are a lot of different nationalities on this forum all with different cultures, this means that no matter what you're like, you'll have to adjust to people that are most definitely not like you. It will gain you a lot of respect if you help to keep the peace. It's disrespectful and therefore not permitted to create Alias Member names in an attempt to deceive others.

Next time I will hand out vaccation slips. Also if you have nothing constructive to add to this thread then stop trolling it.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] DaveShaw:
If there is not going to be any further progress on this project, then this thread has no reason to continue.

All I have read in the last 3 pages is fighting and argueing.

[EDIT] If I'm wrong with this assumption, then you can PM me.

Thread Closed.

Thanks

Dave
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
i think it too!

i am check some settings for some hacks in the moment! i need time todo some other thinks first!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] jockyw2001:
Excellent manual thanks!

And yes, you are absolutely right about the pics.

@NetRunnerAT: you could be right about the lack of support for Wifi in Niki SPLs. I will check that.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] live2themaxuk:
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showpost.php?p=528653&postcount=107

If you look at this thread, it helps us understand what would actually be needed if such chips exsisted on the board to get GPS and/or wifi working

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=293920

correct radio-rom, MAIN rom with correct Driver for GPS and Wifi also( we also need the driver in OS.nb) maybe we can extract driver from Touch Cruise?

It also is interesting to see how they were tryign to extract certain files/cabs from roms to add to an exsisting rom. A bit like if we were to do this with Touch Dual and Touch Cruise.

Jamie
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] jockyw2001:
This was all tried out on the Wings (also with MSM7200 and very similar to Kaiser, Niki and Polaris). Unfortunately a no go.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] swema:
Pictures!

I took mine apart and here are high res pics...

I hope someone can figure out if it has all hardware necessary for WIFI/GPS...

http://rapidshare.de/files/38600988/nikipics.zip.html
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] marazi:
im a noob in this area, but if the hardware is identical, why not try to flash a niki with the cruise rom...?? will it brick...?? is it impossible due to other restrictions...??

is it possible to get past these restrictions modifying the cruise rom...??
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] live2themaxuk:
you legend. thanks alot, ill have a little look later

Jamie
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Johnston411:
You are a braver man than me
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] jockyw2001:
The third pic clearly shows the TI BRF6300 bluetooth chip and the antenna. The BRF6300 spec says that this chip can coexist with TI Wlan chipsets and that the antenna can be shared. Do you see any other TI chips on the mainboard? It could very well be the one next to the BRF6300 and there is a connector too :) Perhaps you can lift the metal case ...

The fact that it is a BRF6300 rules out any chances on a FM radio tuner, for that it should have been a BRF6350 (as used in Polaris).

EDIT

Although we are not sure the wlan hardware is included, I am sure that the wlan support is missing in the SPL.

Perhaps with a Kaiser SSPL it is possible to prove the existense of wlan hw by using the emapi test commands.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] live2themaxuk:
wow jocky that was a mega fast reply, you don t waste anytime . . .:)

yeah there interesting pictures. From my limited knowledge it does seem that Bluetooth/wlan antennas are commonly shared. In the LG KS20 they have seperate antennas for bluetooth and wlan, but the WLAN antenna in the KS20, is on a seperate board and it is connected from a connector on one board, to a connector on another board with has the antenna on it, using a normal RF WLAN cable.

I notice inthe niki there are two SMA type connectors. The one on the top board with the bluetooth chip is definetly Bluetooth/wlan related, no doubt, and you can clearly see the bluetooth antenna coming off the board. Whether this antenna at the top also potentially serves WLAN as well has alot to do with if the WLAN chip exists. . .what is that chip next to the bluetooth chip? (see picure)

Also, its possible that there is chip we cannot see on the mainboard obscured under the shielding frame. Maybe, the SMA connecctor on the mainboard connects to the top board via a *missing* RF cable to share the bluetooth antenna at the top . . . . .oooohh the mystery . . . .

Jamie
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] swema:
My guess to what is under the shield is an amplifier and SAW filter. The shield is soldered to the board so a bit difficult to look under... There is nothing but the connector on the other side of the board and there are no other boards underneath it. The SMA connector looks like it connects directly to the antenna.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Marqnet:
hi guys I am hooked to this thread with interest. just a thought has any one taken internal pics of the Touch cruise and compared the differences between the Touch Dual too?

just a thought
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] live2themaxuk:
yep and a good one too. . . .

whos got the guts?

Jamie
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] rumble291:
Couldn't you flash the radio rom from the cruise onto a touch? or are there some differences i read the both use a Qualcomm MSM7200 CPU.

Kurt
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] jockyw2001:
Meanwhile the main focus of this thread is on Wifi and not so much on GPS. I should consider renaming it :)

We now know that for Wifi there needs to be hw support (wlan chipset + antenna) and sw support by the SPL.

To see which chip check out the Kaiser Wiki.

For GPS there needs to be hw support (antenna and perhaps some peripheral electronics, the "gpsone" is part of the MSM7200) and sw support by OS. A further condition is that NV configuration item 148 must be set to 17.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
I think i have a working GPS Radio Rom ... try soon some tests!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] clonmult:
!!!!!

This is definitely a "we are not worthy" moment. A billion kudos to you!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Billokko:
oh yes.. I'm praying:):):)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] clonmult:
I guess that for me its more of a "it'd be nice to have" - already got a decent SiRF III GPS unit that works much faster/better than the unit in the T-Mob Ameo that a friend had.

Yup, onwards with unlocking the potential of these phones - GPS, WiFi, and decent video drivers!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] GpsPasSion:
Would definitely be nice to have, but what do you mean by "working", if it's a ROM that allows access to the GPS via standard serial ports like the GPStools we already had that gave access to the hidden SMD7 port but no fix, it's not going to be very useful...

Wifi would be more useful I think ;-)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] SMYKUL:
In actuality we can already access the GPS chip, I myself have used the GPSTools to recieve information from it (using a standard 16-key out-of-the-box Orange UK rom).

The problem encountered was that the antenna either wasn't present or the device was not utilising it correctly, therefore a "lock" was not possible (requires 3 satellites or more in range, mine *just* about picked up one). If an updated radio rom can get the chip and the antenna communicating properly, all that would be left to achieve is getting a standard interface working on the device (to relay the information to say; tomtom).

Then all would be well :-)

<edit>

As a side note,

GpsPasSion, This wasn't aimed at you ;-). Simply bad timing, I expect you know far more than I do. Just wanted to sum up :-)

</edit>
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] GpsPasSion:
No problem, actually you make a good point, maybe the Radio ROM can activate a "connection" between the chip and the antenna. Let's stay tuned ;-)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Dagnelinos:
if the nv item is set to 17 instead of 11 the gps chipset can receive more satellites.

In the wings forum, 2 or 3 guys working for fix this nv item on an recent radio rom.

If the nv item is set to 11 no satellite Fix, with 17 the fix is guaranteed on a wing model (preprod.)

i have my fingers crossed :D
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
uhm ... no nike fm radio ... i have check the pics :-/ ok i drop the fm radios and driver research -_-
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] SMYKUL:
Flags?

I wonder if the NV items are used as flags e.g. each binary 1 or 0 is taken as a boolean value(true or false). This would translate to:

11 = 00001011

17 = 00010001

in binary. So maybe that 4th bit is the key (setting its value to true). If so then we really should be leaving the 5th and 7th bit alone as we don't know what they do, producing a value of:

00011011 = 27

(combining the two values, aka a bitwise "OR" operation)

I propose this as if the value was some sort of address why set it to 11 in the first place? It makes no sense.

For example maybe the 8th bit turns on all of the enabled interfaces, while bit 4 enables the GPS antenna interface and the 5th and 7th enable maybe GSM and CDMA? Just a thought anyway :-)

<note>

Quick binary lowdown.

In a byte there are 8 bits. The placement of the bits gives them their value. Bits are only added to the total when they are turned on (set to "1"). The first bit is worth 128 the next is 64 then 32, 16, 8, 4, 2 and 1.

For example:

00000001 = 1

00000010 = 2

00000011 = 3

01000001 = 65

It's a bit like when you were taught mathematics at school with "hundreds", "tens" and "units". If you are given the number 152 you have 1 "hundredth", 5 "tens" and 2 "units".

With the binary example totalling 65 you have no "128"s, "32"s, "16"s, "8"s, "4"s or "2"s. But you do have a "64" and a "1" making a total of 65.

</note>
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
i think the same!

i use the same way on µC
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ironmansp:
where can I find gpstools and radio roms to make tests?

I would like to help.where can I find tools to test my niki?I would like to remember my hacking old times
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
in the moment ... no!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] joaosousa:
Can we make a status report point, so that we all can know how far we are from getting wifi/gps working?

I think i can make a summary:

-Niki has hardware to make wifi work (see pictures) but its software is blocking it (solution?! A correct radio rom?!)

-Gps: Not yet proved that it can work!?

Thanks to everyone working on this....
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
Please ... wait!!!!!

i need a working RTASK enabled SPL!! Befor i doesnt get this functions ... i doesnt release any Modded Radio Roms. I Dont want damage HTC Nike's around the world!!!

if it needs 2 weeks or month ... i havent a problem with it! do yu need this function now ... buy a other device!

a hard answer ...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] joaosousa:
I wasn't trying to rush you, i was just trying to know the status of this problem, i understand it takes time to get results and that we must always be aware of what we launch to the world.

BTW thanks NetrunnerAT for all the work.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] rumble291:
Good luck NetrunnerAT! :D
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] afhstingray:
i dont think that picture of a wifi antenna is the wifi antenna, as it seems to be connected to the external GSM antenna connector
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] obsydian:
jockyw2001 - Awesome Work

Keep it up :D
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] creamhackered:
Just seen this thread. Good work guys :) Hope you can get the GPS working that would be awesome