yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Wings] mpattonm:
???????????

Man you should not say that like this. My heart is just not strong enough for this.

TELL US PLEASE! I BEG YOU!
[HTC Wings] Mark Hewitt:
Ignore him, he might as well have a completely different phone ;)
[HTC Wings] NoNco:
ppff

dumdidum phone is Pre-Production so ignore it.
[HTC Wings] playerkiller:
dumdidum, if you have enough and reilable information to enable gps, then post them, if not, please stop filling this thread with junk. We're all waiting for someone who can connect to GPS to open his wings and check its components.

I guess things like "Mine works", or "I can connect to xx satellites" aren't useful at all to this community, nor to the success of this task.

This is my point of view, ofcourse.
[HTC Wings] rooomish:
Hi guys. It seems to me that you did not go fully through this thread. If yes you must firstly know that dumdidum has pre-pro model, secondly - thanks to him we have some results and tests concerning the behavior ot pre-pro model and last but not least we have dumped pre-pro ROM from his mobile.
[HTC Wings] WasStoNed:
2nd that roomish....back to subject please :)
[HTC Wings] 10332007:
and I third it or whatever you say :o

Others have posted about stability issues with GPS on the pre prod phones, if he got it working stabily that will be usefull information to everyone and helpfull possibly to those working on the software side to help enable it.

Less troll's please ;)
[HTC Wings] bigflavor:
I was updating the first post with learned information on the thread about the RUU . Threads are always getting out of hand.

When a final conclusion is made, there's the wiki. Agreed?
[HTC Wings] playerkiller:
Not trolling anymore. Promised. ;)
[HTC Wings] Surfboomerang:
still no-one who dares to open his/hers pre production model?
[HTC Wings] walram:
wish i had one...

I flashed the kaiser radio to the wings. Now the NV item 148 is the right value. still no working gps. I also tried the different os versions, but with no results. what's next?
[HTC Wings] joy.d:
hehe - whats next now .. yes - i don´t know it.

i think it´s easier to open and activate the gps in samsungs blackjack or Motorola moto q9h device - than in a wings :-(

*** It´s not really a wing - is only a broken ;-) ***
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
What value do you read? This was already tried by someone afaik and the value could not be written even with kaiser radio. Please check by reading NV items after writing, thx.
[HTC Wings] walram:
It reads 11 (or 17) instead of b (or 11), so it is the "kaiser" value. Will try tomorrow if it can be changed to something else. didn't try.
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
I just read your reply again. So you only flashed the Kaiser radio, didn't write anything and your readout is 17 ?

This can actually not happen. The default value for production Wings is decimal 11 and that value will not change to 17 just by flashing Kaiser radio. Please check if you can write 17 with Kaiser radio installed and also check if that value is persistent by immediately reading after writing.

Note that NV Item Manager by default shows decimal values
[HTC Wings] bigflavor:
jocky:

Is it feasible that the NV items are being re-written upon boot by something in the OS (not a locked value)? Or is that not possible, and the NV items are being re-written by something in the NV items (or radio or whatnot)?

My opinion is that there is no locking, and there is no security, really... just that the values are being re-written upon reboot. Semantics.
[HTC Wings] playerkiller:
Nope. If you write value and re-read values just after, without rebooting, you will find none of your modifications are applied. This means the program reads the values but don't write them. :)
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
I will hopefully have some time for h*rdc*re h*cking this weekend. The idea will be to write a utility which can read and write flash nand pages. With that util we will read the page that contains item 148. We will do that both on Wings and on Kaiser. Next step is to find out which item attributes are different, patch the Wings version accordingly and then flash it back.
[HTC Wings] norwegianS730:
wow, thats great. i see some donations coming........
[HTC Wings] walram:
ok, to get some confusion out of the way, here is what i did:

took the kaiser radio version 1.27.15.32 from here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1843581&postcount=6

modified (with a hex editor) KAIS to WING and flashed it to the s730.

tried gps, not working.

flashed the pre-prod os. keyboard not working.

flashed the test version os. keyboard working, gps not. instable rom.

flashed the prod os (second version). keyboard not working

flashed the prod os (first version). keyboard working, gps not.

so i flashed a lot. also because the keyboard wasn't working.

back to the question:

fact: before all the flashing nv item 148 was 11

fact: I never wrote a new value for nv item 148 during the flashing

so it must have been changed by flashing.

i tried one minute ago to change the nv item 148 from 17 to 18. it worked. when re-reading the value it still is 18. changed it back to 17 again. re-read the value: again 17.

in the bootscreen i have:

R 1.27.15.32 (modified kaiser radio)

G 22.51.88.13H

D 1.21.00.00

If you like i can post the modified kaiser radio so somebody else can try?
[HTC Wings] playerkiller:
Walram, gps not working means "no fix" or means no signal?

There's a great difference. No Fix, means it's still locked, no signal could mean lack of antenna.
[HTC Wings] walram:
you see 1 or two satelites once in a while. I tried with gps-test.

I don't think this is a real gps signal because i also tried with a bluetooth gps receiver and inside our office building we have absolutely NONE reception.

maybe i should try openng the phone and connect an antenna. but what kind of antenna? i don't know...
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
@Walram: excellent, thanks for clearing the misunderstandings. Remains to answer the question if you've got no fix or no signal.

Yes please post the radio for double checking.

What I have learned from your flashing crusade is that the radio.nb appears to include the entire NV repository or at least item 148. It's weird because I flashed Wings radio from latest ROM on my Kaiser and afair I still had value 17 in item 148 after flashing it. Will need to check that again. Also dumdidum flashed Kaiser radio 1.27.12.11 on his pre-prod Wings and still his GPS kept working. Strange. Walram, could you please try Kaiser radio 1.27.12.11 once more ?

Well, after confirming that you have a no signal it seems the next thing to do is to solder a 10cm wire, but before doing that we need someone with a pre-prod Wings to open it up.

EDIT: I just read your latest post, you prolly don't have a signal
[HTC Wings] playerkiller:
Right. At this point, no other way. Or put it under an x-ray machine... LOL

Edit:

Walram: could you use htcgpstool app to see if gps fix is still disabled?

I'm having 2-3 satellites always showing, even indoor (gosh) but no way to fix them.
[HTC Wings] delta-101:
For what it is worth, may I just mention, on the very first time I tested the GPS on my Kaiser, I had to take it outside and GPS_Test took 10 - 12 minutes to get a fix..

Indoors it only saw 1 or 2 sats, and never got a fix.

Ever since that first time, it ususally gets a fix in about 40sec.

So it is worth leaving it outside for quite some time when testing.
[HTC Wings] Surfboomerang:
that is common for first time GPS use
[HTC Wings] joy.d:
if you have a solution to update the radio Version easily and the NV to the correct settings, than I can try the GPS Antenna of my Kaiser into the Wings.

its a operation on open body :-)
[HTC Wings] mpattonm:
If you do that, could you do us a favour and take the pics during that operation? I guess it would be quite beneficial to see it in action, plus if you could take detailed pics of Kaiser antena component and also note whatever is written on it (so then we can try to source it on a market).
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
Please add a screenshot or a photo of the display.

I will flash prod-Wings on my Kaiser, set item 148 to 11 (decimal) and do the same.

@delta-tm2: you are quite right. I'm also a bit afraid this is overlooked by our testers! So guys, go outside and wait long enough (10-15min)
[HTC Wings] joy.d:
-> So guys, go outside and wait long enough (10-15min)

why you dont use the Software that is preinstalled into kaiser to become the GPS Corolation Data loading over Internet? Than you dont must wait 10-15 min or?
[HTC Wings] playerkiller:
I left my phone outside 30 minutes. Now satellites are gone even indoor... :/

Dumb....

EDIT:

Noticed something with gpstool: each time i try to send a cold/hot start or use any item on function menu, my phone returns a "beep". Usually it indicates something wrong. Anyone else noticed that?
[HTC Wings] joy.d:
btw: knows anybody how i can mark a text into a *.txt file on Wings?

is there any solution to mark text, Files or whatever like Control C, or Control A or Control V on PC?

I can Do that with remote Software like http://www.mymobiler.com/

but what should i do, when i´m on road and male extremly hardcore hacking?? :-)
[HTC Wings] playerkiller:
There should be a ctrl alt emu, but i really don't remember its name
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
Of course, but for this kind of tests I prefer as little interference as possible.
[HTC Wings] walram:
I flashed radio to version 1.27.12.11 (after modifying) and the nv value was 17. I can change it, save it and it is stored again. GPS is still not working though.

I tried the program HTCGPSTool. I see the same behaviour as in gpstest. sometimes you see 1 satellite (even after 30 minutes). In the settings-screen you see some logging like:

$GPV...

$GPG...

$GPR...

it seems to be repeating all the time.

In the HTCGPSTool Thread i found two other programs, gpstool and gpsrouter. should i do something with them?

I ran the Configure_GPS.CAB and rebooted. no effect.
[HTC Wings] walram:
In the Satellite-view: "Mode2: Fix not available"

Is that because there are not enough satellites to be able to get a fix? Or it is a mode of the chipset where a fix it not an option :(
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
You could flash the original Wings radio and try once more. Please check if NV item 148 is still 17. Thx.
[HTC Wings] walram:
modified kaiser radio for Wings

I uploaded the modified kaiser-radio to the ftp site.

Radio_1.27.15.32_Modified for Wing CustomRUU

So this kaiser radio can be flashed on your Wings
[HTC Wings] walram:
guess what i was doing at the moment... :)

still 17, trying to change...

it can be changed! funny. well let's boot and see...

ok, so after flashing a kaiser radio (modified one) and flashing back to the Wings radio. you can change NV item 148 to whateven you like.

now, with htcgpstool i hear a beep when enabling the "Start NMEA Messages" option. The result is the same so far, no satellites and the repeating $GP messages. I looked them up: http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/nmea.htm
[HTC Wings] norwegianS730:
these messages are nmea sentences, so maybe its hope :rolleyes:
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
Great work :)

Now please change item 0148 to 11 (decimal), do a cold boot (remove battery) and try the GPS tools again. Check if there is different behaviour.
[HTC Wings] walram:
changed it from 17 to 11, but same thing happened.

same messages appear.
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
Ok, many thanks. So there we have it, the proof that there is a hardware difference between pre-prod and production models. Hopefully it is "just" the antenna and to find that out we need a volunteer to open up his pre-prod Wings.

EDIT

walram: There is one more chance ....

Can you please back up your NV repository with "QPST Software Download".

I will then send you a PM and a download link for my Kaiser NV repository which you should restore also with "QPST Software Download".

Please practice backup/restore and let me know if you want to try this.
[HTC Wings] walram:
ok, busy this weekend. will try asap
[HTC Wings] playerkiller:
Wait. Afaik Fix is needed to hook satellites signal and "fix" position. If no fix even with an antenna, you can't use it.

Right, or am i missing something?

Does gps app on kaiser reports the same no-fix mode?

PS: That "beep" on gps app sounds weird. It's a beep usually returned for errrors or warning.
[HTC Wings] delta-101:
On my Kaiser I get the same message on the Satellite-view: "Mode2: Fix not available" until the fix is done, then I think it changed to "Mode2: 3D" - however no beep, or not that I have noticed.
[HTC Wings] playerkiller:
Uhm... then it's ok... "no fix" is just the mode before gps unit hooks satellites and gets position.

Thanks delta. The fact you don't hear any beeps might be something to work with. Jocky is it possible the application does not work properly if gps chip is disabled?

I suggest someone with pre-production rom tries to use the htc app and test if hears beeps. I suppose the chipset returns an error code that's not displayed when operations are performed.
[HTC Wings] johankj:
Hi all, I've been following this and a few other threads regarding the S730/Wings, I own a production model myself. I know a few things about GPS, so I'll try to chip in whenever there seems to be a question regarding the workings of GPS.

The sentences you see in HTCGPSTool are so called NMEA sentences. I've logged a good 20 mins (outdoor, but not in complete free view), which I have attached. Here is a sample few lines of the output when I have a fix on one sat.:

$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K*4E

$GPGSV,1,1,01,28,,,24*74

$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66

$GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*53

$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*32

What we are interrested in is the $GPGGA sentence, which contains no information, whithout at least 4 sats.

Next of interrest is the $GPGSV, which lists the sats in view. This tells us that it can see sat no. 28.

$GPGSA is a status field for the quality if the tracking. The $GPGSA,A,1,... should read $GPGSA,A,3,... for a full 3D fix. The ,1, means that it's invalid.

$GPRMC is another fix format, and is similar to $GPGGA.

You can read more about the different messages here: http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/nmea.htm

In my experience, even with just a few sats, you should receive UTC time, which I didn't see. However, This doesn't mean that the GPS is not working (it may just be cripled in software or hardware). The fact that these sentences are present proves that there is a GPS decoder chip installed and working.

BTW, great work from jocky and dumdidum.

Edit: Attached file...
[HTC Wings] walram:
Tank you!

What i found interesting is the SNR of the satellites it finds:

$GPGSV,1,1,01,28,,,24*74

the 24 means signal strength. all the time it is 23 or 24. I found the same values myself. So i agree with you the signals are somehow manipulated and fake.

i agree. When looking al a normal gps receiver the first thing you see is the time. then the satellites are coming and finally the fix. Here we never see the time. even with a satellite "in sight".
[HTC Wings] walram:
backed-up the NV items. When restoring i get the message:

Could not Communicate in Diagnostic Mode
[HTC Wings] walram:
just for the information: after flashing the modified kaiser radio to the wings i don't hear the beep. when flashing the wings radio back the beep returns.
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
Ok, you must "security unlock" your Wings.

Please download my Kaiser Security Unlocker here and follow the instructions precisely!! Make sure you install the patched Kaiser radio (it's a special 1.27.12.11). After you have run the utility on PC (usually you need to run it twice) the tri-color bootloader screen will show "Security Unlocked" on the top line.
[HTC Wings] playerkiller:
Is it possible Wings Radio does not allow GPS app to work properly?
[HTC Wings] johankj:
The SNR values are certainly low, and maybe too low for the chipset to decode the time properly. I will check this with another GPS receiver, and log this too. When the sats come and go on the S730, they should be the same sats on the other receiver. If there is no correlation between the sats the S730 sees and sats my other receiver sees, then there is a strong possibility that the S730 GPS sends out rubish data. If the S730 sees the strongest sats, then there is a strong case for the GPS antenna somehow being disabled (but could still be software disabled! Remember the Qualcomm chip has a few antenna options).
[HTC Wings] walram:
can flash the patched (and modified for wings) radio, but I don't get "Security Unlocked" at the end. tried 3 times. i do get the message:

[] Done, your device should now be superCID and Security Unlocked

[] Your device is unlocked and you can change anything anytime ;)

[] Don't forget to flash your original radio

maybe the tool needs to be modified for the wings?

or do i need to install the kaiser SPL?
[HTC Wings] mpattonm:
guys, on a side note: is it clear that internal GPS should use exactly COM4?
[HTC Wings] walram:
don't know. we get the same results, exept the beep thing
[HTC Wings] j.senior:
Can Someone Tell Me If I Downloaded The Right Rom For Gps.on The Home Page It Saids Verizon But Im Sprint.i Was Not Able To Go Into My Msl Settings.so I Went Back To Factory Setting.can Someone Help Me Get Gps Plzzzzzzzzzz.thanx Ahead
[HTC Wings] joy.d:
btw. i´m out with wings problems. at friday the asus P750 is delivered in germany. i change the first time since 5 Years to other manufactor. ;-) maybe that´s the device that what i want.

Much luck with your project!

best greets to @ :-)
[HTC Wings] johankj:
I've investigated the output from the S730 and compared it to another GPS, both of which output I've attached.

Looking at the results, the S730 finds numerous sats. They are: 04,06,07,13,16,17,18,20,23,24,28. (07 has a SNR of 34! The rest has 23/24. For a good fix you need at least 40)

And for the GPS mouse:

02,03,08,10,13,15,19,21,24,25,26,27.

The sats they are sharing are no 24 and 13. No 13 is a somewhat weak sat moving of the horizon. No 24 is also a weak sat, hovering in the horizon at 25 degrees elevation. However, they are separated by about 180 degrees in the horizon.

Now, to me, this is as unconclusive as it gets. At least if the sats that came into view on the S730 were the strong sats from the other GPS, I would say that poor reception would be the likely cause of the GPS not working.

You can replay the attached files (or open them in notepad, if you like) with an NMEA parser like GPSCockpit from tycoelectronics.com (free). BTW: You could also tell where in the world I am!! :D
[HTC Wings] playerkiller:
If signal strength is so low then the hipothesy of a lack of antenna gets stronger.

I can only renew invitation to some prepro owner to open his unit..
[HTC Wings] rooomish:
During all time s730 forum exists we met only three quys with pre-pro model:

rafuz, narthexs and Dumdidum.

Dumdidum has been deciding not to open the mobile (I understand him), rafuz joined forum 10.1 for the last time - same date as narthexs. So we have not many chances to find somebody who will open it :-(.
[HTC Wings] goolpone:
I think it's only a software/firmware problem

hi it's a long time i don't come in this forum, but in the last three days i'm reading all about the new s730 because i want to buy one.

I think this forum is the best build enviroment where to make good think about rom, gps, radio or other else..

And i think there are lot of people that are trying to activate gps on s730.

My idea is: if it is a software problem, try to dump the pre-prod rom, radio, spl ecc and flash it on the official model.

If any with pre-prod user could try this without open his/her phone is better..
[HTC Wings] playerkiller:
Hi gool, it has been already done. What we miss, is a possibly hardware difference between preproduction model and production mode.

Let's say as example, prepro have an hardware component that can be identified as a gps antenna. Then tests (and progress) on production units would get a completely different significate.

Cheers

;)
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
Not 100% done. Walram will still have to restore Kaiser NV repository and I have to cross-check by restoring Wings NV and radio on my Kaiser. Hopefully I can do my part later today.
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
Okay, all looks fine and you patched the WING***** string in the special kaiser radio which is in the "super CID & security unlocker" distro right? The "Security Unlocked" should appear in the top line in the tri-color bootloader screen. Does it? (just power on in bootloader mode)
[HTC Wings] walram:
yes, I patched the WING***** string in the special kaiser radio which is in the "super CID & security unlocker" distro. The "Security Unlocked" doesn't appear afterwards.

in the info-file in the distro you say:

If all went well you will see the unlockcode on your monitor and your Kaiser is being restarted automatically.

this doesn't happen. I don't get an unlock-code and the phone doen't restart automatically. I get the following output:

=== Kaiser SuperCID and Security Unlocker (c)2008 by jockyw2001

=== Donations happily accepted, paypal to jocky_wilson@hotmail.com

[] Done, your device should now be superCID and Security Unlocked

[] Your device is unlocked and you can change anything anytime ;)

[] Don't forget to flash your original radio

Press Enter to exit
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
Forget about unlockcodes, perhaps I mistakenly pasted some helptext from the SIM unlocker. Just boot into bootloader (press and hold camera and power on) and check if the top line says Security Unlocked. Thx!

PS: I am doing various tests with GPS Tool and will post the text outputfiles shortly.
[HTC Wings] walram:
no it doesn't. would it be an option to try the hardSPL from the kaiser?
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
It is better to check as follows:

1. the kaiser special patched radio from cid+security unlocker should still be installed.

2. cold boot and enter bootloader

3. type "rtask a" (from now on text you type is not echoed to screen!)

4. type "setinfo" and paste the info shown on screen in this thread
[HTC Wings] walram:
here it is:

rtask a

SetHTCRegionInfo: block=9, CID=HTC__001, PID=00000018, IMEI=3500100164824201, SECU_FLAG=1

ah. you probably mean the secu_flag
[HTC Wings] jockyw2001:
CID should be 11111111 and SECU_FLAG should be 0 if the tool has run correctly. It did not run correctly and I must find out why. Usually it fails the first time and works the second time after a soft reset. I don't understand it gave you the "success" output.