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[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
[MENTION=2350392]borisb[/MENTION] and why did you ignore the included 3.5 adapter?

anyway i dont see a point of a thread like "why i am returning" these threads are always controversial

besides no one asked you :laugh:

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but but but the bezel, i would sell my soul for that bezel :laugh:

[MENTION=2350392]borisb[/MENTION] serious issues with lighting: simply switch to touch auto exposure from the camera settings but hey you are not here for solutions ;)
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] AarSyl:
But, he....then you...ugh....dag....

All I can say is...apply liberally.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] fernando sor:
yeah I was sucked into the s7 edge. looked great good camera. Wait until you cant play angry birds without freeing up memory.or having over 180 touchWiz system apps That no other OEM has bogging down your phone.

every year the reviews say that TouchWiz is slimmed down and better. it isnt trust me.I never hated a phone so much as i did the edge after a few months. and you will still get lag. I never could go to apps in system and scroll without lag. Even when it was new. and forget root or custom roms.

the 11 is the fastest performing phone I've ever used. Ill appreciate that long after the luster of the screen is gone.

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there is no way that the s8 has better sounding speakers.if you mean glaring instead of crisp from one speaker then I agree.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
I got them both side by side. Don't believe everything they write on android police.

If there is a difference, it is questionable to my ears.

The HTC10 was way better, the "resonate" housing of the phone is bullcrap.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
emmmm. NO! I had the z2, never again.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Hey, don't blab your mouth just for the sake of saying something. I actually bought the device.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
I used it. It works great (and works on the s8) but I am not going to have an adapter with em everywhere I go.

also it looks lame when I walk with it. I got extra cable to hide in my pocket.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Flynnchen82:
There goes your better sound:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjO9XIgmD0A

Ridiculous
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] matekaneve:
Man! Don't wear skinny jeans! They're no good for your balls!
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
I don't understand, did you post it to prove my point?

[MENTION=4061224]matekaneve[/MENTION] :) my balls are big and made of brass, trust me they won't get hurt.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Flynnchen82:
Seriously i give up. You are the worst troll ever.

One can hear it and even the reviewer says the U11 is louder and clearer. But ok...
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] namartlu:
So HTC has no question 30-day return policy for U11? How does it work? Who pays return shipping? I am tempted to try it out...
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 4ktvs:
Could you explain this or was this thread made because the Samsung galaxy S8 is slower than the HTC U11 and Sony XZ premium by a mile?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] afuller42:
I just pre-ordered the premium today. It was a very hard decision. I know the u11 is more for the money but put in 4 orders all to be canceled by HTC and paypal. Then came across Sony's upcoming and said let's see if best buy takes my money and sure enough, all went through and pick up in store on Sunday.

There's things I like about both phones, I'm going to miss the HTC devs here and will most likely come back in a couple years. But the premium is such a beautiful phone with awesome display and the fact I haven't really done much with my HTC 10 after rooting don't really care about that stuff much anymore, but like I said I'll probably be back.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Sounds like a guess to me. I have the Galaxy S8 . Slower by a mile it's not. Neither it's noticably slower . In fact you really have to play with both side by side for a while to see a difference.

And how would you compare the Sony if it's not out yet?

I noted 15 reasons why I am returning it . Speed is not one of them.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Just added number 16:

Earphones drain battery . 7% in 20 minutes .
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] StilsonCanyon:
So being able to listen to 45+ hours of music on a single charge is not enough? How many hours do you require?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 4ktvs:
Below are some videos of speed test and I think they show that the Galaxy S8 is noticeably slower even if by normal peoples standards it's not by a "mile".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7vLoFJcfsI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGchExRacVM

You can order the Sony XZ Premium today from clove and it will work on AT&T and T-Mobile's LTE bands. I asked what reason you discount the Sony XZ Premium not the HTC U11.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] mrlakadaddy:
No body cares.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] haZethew0rld:
You have to pay for shipping back. I paid $20 to send it back full insured just to be sure. (With the free insurance it would've been around $8-11)
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] AarSyl:
I can't tell if he's serious, and that's really concerning...(instant thanks to who can guess that quote...)

If you are serious, then who taught you math? That's ~21%/hr battery drain...which would be just short of 5hrs....

Or...maybe you meant 4-5hrs....I get it now...
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] richteralan:
This is pure BS. 7% in 20 minutes? Get lost.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] *justintime*:
Pfeww you are making life really hard for yourself.

Why you just leave the adapter on the headphone plug? If you go with your headphones it will go with the adapter....
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
cause I have several of them (work, home, car) and I use them differently (calls+ music and so on). Essentially you might be right.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Since you got lost I don't go there anymore.

Are facts hurting your feelings? I should make a video.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] richteralan:
LOL. I have the phone in my hands, listening to music through the adapter.

Haven't seen the battery drop 7% in 20 minutes.

Please make a video.

You just fail at trolling.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Yea horrible. They won't give a shipping label.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Na, i think your still lost.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
I have been watching videos since you mentioned it. I am going to give a serious thought. The OP5 should be out in a week, I might wait to see that one too.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
This is my experience. As I said, if you love this phone good for you. I don't and I think that its not for me.

I have been trying to return it for the last couple of days, even called the call center 3 times.

As far as the brightness, I am not talking about the camera. It happened when I unlock the screen or open chrome. Its a random dimming that drives me nuts. The camera has nothing to do with it.

As far as bands go. The phone is missing band 30 (http://www.htc.com/us/smartphones/htc-u11/) so why would I want to keep this phone on AT&T?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] godofpornings:
Wow. Your so cool. Coming on to a HTC forum with your Samsung fanboyism. Your so totally cool mate. ****. Bet your mates think your the man.

What's next? The led light is too bright that it causes aids in your eyes? Or maybe the finger print scanner is too low causing you to fumble around while watching a sexy unboxing of a S8 with tissues on hand?

We all know the S8 is great but there's a few things that it don't do good. Same goes for the HTC. Only a low life troll on the internet would seek out the time to go on another phone company forum and bash it with complete lies and utter bull****. Grow up mate. There's more to life then saying X phone is better then Y phone. It's abit sad and pathetic.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Galactus:
Have you guys never heard of "Don't feed the troll"?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Proof?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] AarSyl:
Yeah, seriously. How long will you guys continue?

I'm not claiming that he's lying or overreacting about his device. Maybe he got a dud (of course, that only applies for some factors). I have a dud S7, my wife's S7 is perfect. Who cares about proof at this point. [MENTION=2350392]borisb[/MENTION], you tried the phone and didn't like it. That's your preference. Return the thing (or keep trying) and stop trying to defend yourself.

To the others, the bickering keeps bumping this thread to the top of my list. Please leave the man alone.

I'm not defending anyone. I'm waiting for the opportunity to get my U11 today (which...I saw the blue in a store last night...and boy, is that thing pretty).

Reporting this nonsense to get locked.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Stephen:
Moderator Warning

Guys keep this thread on topic and lets calm down a bit. We are watching this thread and may close it, if the bickering continues.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
I think you nailed a classy response.

Kinda feels like you were writing about yourself with your snappy comebacks.

But to respond; yea I wrote down what I think is correct. No one really disputed it.

You contributed exactly nothing, hope you are proud of yourself.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
https://youtu.be/rT1hW_t2Y1o

Two devices. (Wanted my wife to use it) .

You can see the redish hue.

Shot with my Galaxy S8. Hope it proves something and now we can have a discussion.

Another point : car Bluetooth.

The Galaxy is much clearer, the htc handles my car system poorly (yes I have a car).

I can also make video of the car since everyone things I'm a liar .

I can make a video comparing the two. But I am not going to narrate it cause I am not a YouTube person. As a matter of fact, I can make a video for each point if anyone wants . Is that trolling too?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] godofpornings:
Yeah go ahead. Can you do a speed test of HTC and S8. Also the speaker loudness.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Ok man. I got a good one for you I 10 min.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
https://youtu.be/dKSBRIuWkWc

Sound test
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
I have some videos. Wanna have a discussion?

https://youtu.be/dKSBRIuWkWc
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Speed test.

https://youtu.be/VXDd4RLPlp0

Really ****ty video cause I don't have 3 hands and the camera is on a box.

But you can tell that the u11 opens apps quickly. It's the in app that is pretty much the same or better for the Galaxy

Waze no GPS detection was quicker on the Galaxy and the zombie game start.

As I said. I dont see the u11 being a higher level performer.

At the end of the video is days: "don't even mean " but can I tell my friends now I am the man mate?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] *justintime*:
Still waiting for a YT video for proof on the car... ??. Just joking.

That's indeed way louder must admit. But does it sound better? The S8's i have hears distorts very easy.

And ehhhhh TWRP is on the S8? ?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
No. The u11 sound better slightly. You can tell from the video that the basses are better separated from the highs because there are two speakers. But it does not matter cause it's low and I wont be rocking it just as I wont rock the Galaxy .

Besides the top speaker is lower then the bottom. Both phones sounds worse then my 10$ Anker cube.

In YouTube videos the u11 hides the voices (like a ****ty seround system) and on a train setting the Galaxy takes the advantage.

In low quality videos (like the ones I get through MMS) the u 11 sucks. I guess it's an advantage for a mono speaker for a mono file.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Hey buddy . The only one trolling is you. So unless you got a device and you are willing to post videos like me. Dont respond and go troll Best buy .

But if you want to have a discussion please take a look at my videos and discuss.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] godofpornings:
That S8 dont sound better then the u11. Louder does not mean better. Infact the u11 is loud in real life as stated by most reviewers. Also your speed test were wrong due to not knowing what apps were open already on each devices etc.

There's no way in hell the S8 speaker is better .... It's logic. Also your telling me that you want a louder phone? Are you planning to play it in a park or what. The speakers on the u11 sound deep and rich. The S8 sound is tinny and sounds borked as ****
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] AarSyl:
Did you ready post properly? I wasn't trolling you...I was telling you to stop going back and forth with them. You're wasting your time. Every device is different, and I was actually commending you for giving the device a try.

But...I'm a troll. First for everything, I guess. And for the record, my device arrives tomorrow, with a $150 discount from Sprint.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] liam_davenport:
Also returning mine tomorrow morning great phone but shadowed by crappy software
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Sorry if I misunderstood.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Actually my speed test was correct. All the conditions you said we're met. No open apps on both devices.

And about the sound . My video.prpvez otherwise, I do that trust Android police or super Seth TV.

I only trust Flossy Carter :)
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Actually my speed test was correct. All the conditions you said we're met. No open apps on both devices.

And about the sound . My video shows otherwise, I do that trust Android police or super Seth TV.

I only trust Flossy Carter :)

If you think this is a rich sound you must be dreaming. It far far from being rich.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] AarSyl:
No worries
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Thanks Buddy. With as much trolling we have gotten over the past few years from Samsung fans I do not think it is out of line to ask for proof. This is an HTC thread and I am an HTC fan so I think we have the right to defend ourselves lol. I think they are both great phones, I personally just would never purchase a Samsung device. I do not like owning something everyone else owns and I like the freedom of an unlocked bootloader. I actually think the size of the U11 with the bezels looks better next to the S8, I think the S8 looks odd, tall and skinny. Bezels have never effected my use of a phone. It just comes down to personal preference. I think that if I didn't like the U11 I just wouldn't buy it. I have never liked Samsung but I have also never trash-talked it down in the Samsung forums. Not accusing you of doing it but it happens quite a bit. Seems Samsung fans go out of their way to lay more damage on HTC. Thanks for the videos.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Cryosx:
I know that the S8 will get louder on a flat surface since all the sound waves are reflected perpendicular to the surface. Is the difference between the two still negligible while holding it in hand?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
I see your point. The reason I put the thread up is cause I am mad at htc. I am a fan since I got the first Nexus and put an HTC Tom on it. They have the technology to blow everyone else out of the water but they keep on trying to gimmick us .

They could add the 3.5 jack, and keep the screen ratio lower, but they invested in design and the glossy fluid back finish .

It's like when BMW started selling 1 series cars. Made by BMW but lower performance
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
It's also better when you put the phone in a cup.

And also even better when it's over Bluetooth
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
I don't ever use my 3.5mm jack and most people I know don't ever use it. I couldn't recall the last time I have stuck anything in that hole so it's just an unused hole for me. It is nice to have I guess but it hardly gets used by most. And I actually think HTC did a great job with this phone. It most definitely does not deserve to get bashed as being a failure. I think you will be in the minority with your opinion, most average people will love this phone. I think most people are smart enough to choose which phone they like best, we don't need to be told constantly how much better Samsung is over HTC.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
That's what she said ;)
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 4ktvs:
I kind of miss the 3.5mm jack as I do have a few good in ear headphones that use it but I only really use those at home and I can use my PC or my two old phones that have AM/FM radios.

I do agree though that this phone is still great. I have had Samsung's, moto, Sony and now this HTC U11. There is many choices out there and in the old days the differences were large now it's not quite that big of a deal as there are so many choices now in the market. Though I will say that I personally greatly miss having a removable battery with flagship devices.

I would give the HTC U11 a solid 8.5/10. Mostly over the headphone jack and smallish non-removable battery. My perfect 10/10 phone currently doesn't exist but it could if someone would just make a phone from 4.5-5 inches with the following:

1) A user removable battery with SD card slot. Also let it be a bit thick to stick a larger battery in it.

2) IR blaster, 3.5 headphone jack, hard home button.

3) Top of the line SOC (835 snapdragon or something that is about just as powerful)

4) Give it a 16:9 1920X1080 OLED screen (So that the phone isn't wasting power driving pixel's I don't need. 4k would be nice but a odd non video standard resolution just doesn't do much for me other than make me think of the lost screen on time/battery life.)

5) Keep the OS clean. If I want Facebook then by all means I will go to google play and install it myself. Shoving bloatware in 2017 needs to die.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] fernando sor:
It's not even close. HTC destroyed Samsung.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Boskoel03:
Imagine.

Once i had a phone i did not like ( brand not important for the story).

I sold it without letting everyone else know about what i did.

Did not tell even my loving xda after years spent here. Imagine.

I survived,moved on,and this is first time i am mentiong that cause i did not know there is need for dedicated tread for that.

Imagine.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Did you see my real life video comparison?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] godofpornings:
Have you seen all the other videos on YouTube on the speed difference? I think your doing something wrong with your HTC mate. Every video on YouTube will clearly overcome your video as you showed no stats, no proof of cache apps or anything.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] fernando sor:
Yes. Really no contest. I'm not sure how anyone could think that a single speaker would sound better then two.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Emmm. Ok.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Well my real life comparison said otherwise .

You tube channels are paid by someone. Fake news mate, trust yourself.

If you take everything at face value you might as well go and buy the LG G6

But I realize that a lot of it is self convincing.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] godofpornings:
I had the g6. Mate I rather believe YouTube reviewers specially the ones that actually show you the tests properly unlike yours.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Galactus:
You guys don't give up do you LOOL
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Well now you are just bad mouthing and I don't think you had the LG G6 or the U11 or the galaxy. Sorry mate, but facts should not hurt your feelings even if you are on the lower IQ scale.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Its a fight for honor, bragging rights and the women of westeros.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] StilsonCanyon:
From the person that I quoted:

I read that as 0.7% in 20 minutes, which works into 2.1% per hour (assuming the rate is continuous). That's how I arrived at 45+ hours (100.0/2.1 = 47.6).
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] godofpornings:
Clearly iv got a u11. I had a g6 beofre and retuned it. Seems like your trolling so I will quit ahead. Good night
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] AarSyl:
Makes sense. I didn't see the decimal point.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
What was your battery experience?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
I saw your post just now when I edited my first post.

I got the S8+ unlocked, gave the s8 to my wife.

All is good and order was returned to the world.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 5m4r7ph0n36uru:
Mine:
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] StilsonCanyon:
I don't have the U11, but I do have the U Ultra. My experience has been that I have noticed negligible battery drain relating to the USonic earbuds. I play a lot of games on my phone and generally get more than 24 hours between charges.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

not the same phone.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Cryosx:
If it's on a table it'll sound louder. But if you hold it, that's a different story.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] fernando sor:
i just finished my Samsung experiment and here is the thing. they come out with a nice new design that looks great, has a great screen and a great camera.

but after a while the software becomes an abomination. I literally could never go to settings/apps and scroll freely. I mean from day one it lagged when I had to scroll. this was on the s7 edge.the battery went to hell soon also. I would factory reset it twice a month. and forget root. the root method they FINALLY got was pathetic.

I will never own another Samsung Smartphone. Every year the paid shills who review their phones say the same thing, "touchWiz is toned down this year" they have been saying that since the s4 at least. They have every duplicate of Google apps you can think of and many that Google doesn't have. I had 150 apps frozen on my phone. 150!!

All they have to do is put out a cool new innovative screen and everything else is forgiven by these pathetic reviewers.

I coudnt even play angry birds without lag. Ill give it to them the s7 and s8 look great. but if its a slow piece of crap the allure of the screen dies quickly.

and now with this single loud GLARING speaker we have Samsung trolls trying to say it sounds better. I hope HTC makes it because Samsung is wayyy bigger the they should be. I am horrified by the thought of only touchWiz and IOS left in the future.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Cryosx:
I know, I have the S7 edge. Flashed stock nougat and the phone lags/stutters everywhere. Idk if it was like that in the beginning but right now it's utter garbage. Battery life also took a massive hit, had to charge twice a day.

That's why I'm here, on the U11. We got extremely smooth performance (even when downloading stuff in the back ground), we got good battery life, we got a good display, we got good speakers, and to top it all off our phone comes with an unlockable bootloader (unlike Samsung's US models).

I feel you bro.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] fernando sor:
Man I can't even express the difference between HTC optimization and whatever Samsung calls their optimization. Another thing is the finger print sensor is just spot on. I wouldn't even use the Samsung one. And Google now from any screen? Maybe worked 50 percent of the time. On the 11 it works every time and with the screen off.

If all I have to give up is a bezeless screen then I'm OK with it. I'm sure the HTC u 12 will go that route anyways.