yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Olipro:
I don't want to poke fun... actually I do, but I won't.

Unless you want to offer to let people send you their Nike and then modify it with a receiver and amplifier module, I have the nasty feeling that you're not going to get a hell of a lot done.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] joaosousa:
Then why do you read this thread? Don't you have to work on your unlock business?

Don't waste your time with us... We won't pay you to help on this...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] flashmp3:
I'm sad......I had the choice and I choosed niki instead of polaris for its good looking
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
thats great news for wifi!.

what does the RFR6500 look like? im thinking although its not in the wings it might be in the nike still. doesnt look good though for gps :(
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] sackbauer:
ladies ;-)

it appears that some of you are getting impatient on progress of getting this gps and wifi thing done.

remember, you all bought this device knowing that it has no gps and wifi functionality.

if it may happen that it will work somewhen in the future this is a bonus - no more no less. if you want wifi and gps buy a cruise or step back to trinity.

also appears that due to these things no rom other than tom's rom is developed so far.

my two cents on this

cheers and all the cookers out there keep up the good work on xda-developers.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Olipro:
It's not a business, this is the first time I've ever done this, and I'm not running this like it's some corporate enterprise; unfortunately, for me at least, money is more than a mere commodity, then again, perhaps you're one of these people who sponge off their government to get by.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Olipro:
exactly... historically, HTC float around ROMs internally with GPS enabled if it can be done in software, but I've not seen a sniff of that, so it does indicate to me that it's probably not possible, and is also part of the reason I think it's unlikely.

WiFi is *definitely* there (the chip at least) but like the GPS, it's again a possibility that there's no antenna... buuuut, if not, it might not be too problematic to fit one.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] flashmp3:
I bought my TOUCH DUAL cause it was said that there were wifi and gps but software unactivated. It was the same when the Trinity was released. Then came the GPS on it. I thought it would have been the same here but i misthought. Cause the activation was by HTC, and in our case they don't talk about activate it
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] joaosousa:
Maybe you should be more concerned about you illegal website and illegal business running there, then with what i do or i don't do.

I hope you see this has a friendly warning...

And by the way, i won't spend more time writting to you, i do have a lot more important things to do.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] sackbauer:
hmmmm, you are right - trinity was also released without gps and wifi ...

in anyway - sit down, relax, take a deep breath and donate to the right people ;-)

they are the ones giving us support on our devices ... nearly 24/7
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Olipro:
concerned? illegal?

they merely pay for my time, obviously you can't charge for the software itself. you're living in a dream world if you think it's reasonable to expect people to give you everything on a plate, so get stuffed.

and you flatter yourself too much, I don't give a flying rat's arse what the hell you do or don't do, all the best to you, but I personally wouldn't work on it beyond changing the NV items.

The bottom line is, I'm selling something because I have the skill to, and you dislike it either because you can't sell it yourself, or because you need it and don't want to pay for it, and **** the prinicples bull****.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Gajet:
This thread is making me cry and want to get rid of my Niki so I can return to the civilised Artemis Forum.

Why not stop the badgering and return to your own projects, Olipro has made an unlocker for the Niki, it is his perogative if he wants to have a minimum donation for it, just like when Tupisdin sells unlock codes that is his right too. Anyone who dosn't like it is free to pay 4 times as much to another company, persuade their telco to unlock for them or stop buying phones locked to the wrong network in the first place.

HTC have indeed released devices that were hardware capable of more than was available at point of release, if people wish to explore enabling any hidden functions they should be supported and encouraged. Frankly GPS would be fantastic, but I bought the device knowing GPS was not an adsvertised function.

*****ing at each other seems somewhat pointless, what is hoped to achieve. You are working on seperate projects, why get bugged out about what the other is doing?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] DaVince:
Dude, just ignore the joaosousa guy.. he's a moron.

Back to topic, if the chip is really there, then it's just a matter of time before you guys figure out how to use it. I don't know anything about those NV items and stuff.. I just wish you all the best.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] joaosousa:
This moron (joaosousa) is working on the gps and wifi project, so you should at least have some respect.

I just hope that one day you don't need to use something this moron has worked on for severall hours and days...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] FuzzMunky:
@DaVince: You are only going to exacerbate things by picking sides in other peoples arguments.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Vorbeth:
I thought this was XDA-Developers.com, not *****-a-thon.com

Near on 2 pages of *****ing, I mean jesus, so what if Oli want's a fiver, he could have kept the damn work to himself...

I think I'll be back in a few weeks, let you children get over your Tantrum. (That's both sides).

Can a mod please remove all this crap from the Dev forum's, I'm sure there is a place here where the children can fight, but development forums are not it!

What you have to remeber in this world is that most coders put themself's in a class above anyone else.

"I did this, but there ain't no way I'm gonna tell you how", it's this sort of self-centered arrogance that put's a LOT of people wanting to help out! It's just crap.

So what if your "leet" enough to be the first person to do something, Take pride in that fact, but it would be nice to see how this stuff is accomplised, then maybe others could take a load off you, so you don't feel like you sit for hours to bring stuff to the community, no one asked you to sit for days at a time to do this.

Community, Ha, makes me laugh, this isn't a community, if a few closed groups, that snub their noses at anyone else.

If some one asks a stupid pointless question, so what, they had the gut's to ask!! good on them, ask away. I know I won't ever laugh at you for asking.

I think if this site is to be the community it set out to be, some of these closed groups should open up and welcome us "noobs". If they don't want to do that, they should get their own place, let this one be the community it should/needs be.

Ok, rant over.

Pick this post apart, ***** about it, I don't really care.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] joaosousa:
Thanks Klutsh, i agree with you 100%.

Relatting to gps and wifi, as soon as we get something, we will share it here.

Once again thanks, i think your words mean a lot.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Olipro:
Yeah, I do agree... except for one thing.

there are certain things that can't be taught, and by which I mean they can't be taught without a hell of a lot of stress and annoyance.

that said, if there's someone else out there with a bloody good programming background and a fat helping of ARM assembler then get in touch.

and I know nobody asked me to do it, but somebody did ask me to give it away for free it seems.

and yeah, you're spot on about the elitism, but we can't help it ^_^ ... got to polish the ego now and again you know.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] cmonex:
where you're wrong is this. not all people are alike. some will learn a lot faster than others
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Madman_nl:
GUYS!!!!

Let this be the last post about the bickering, now let's get on-topic again
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] FuzzMunky:
HTC's been paying everyone to bicker. To break morale. It's all a cover-up.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
what does the RFR6500 exactly look like?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] madds:
lool

sentence of the day....
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] rvintem:
I can´t help with photos, but there again, here are the schematics...look at the last page of the PDF. Hope it will be useful.

http://www.ent.eetchina.com/PDF/2007..._RFR_AN_01.pdf

P.S. If you want I will email it for you for 5€...mmm...no, 5£. :D

Kidding...keep up the good humour ;)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] rvintem:
I can´t help with photos, but there again, here are the schematics...look at the last page of the PDF. Hope it will be useful.

http://www.ent.eetchina.com/PDF/2007FEB/DTCOL_2007FEB15_AVDE_RFR_AN_01.pdf

P.S. If you want I will email it for you for 5€...mmm...no, 5£. :D

Kidding...keep up the good humour ;)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Valvarin:
It's Enought

STOP BASHING NOW GO BACK TO DRAWING BOARD

If this chip not exist we have a chance to get running this, but we have to make this as a community and not this way!!!

Here is what the chip do: This Link

This Chip is 5 Years old. It's like a coprocessor and do the calculations for

the raw GPS-Data and GSM-Data

And look at this pls:

there is a chip like the RFR6500
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
if someone tells me what to look for i'll look for it. will the chip be labeled?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
turns out im gonna need some kind of instruction for disassembling my niki, ive got all the screws out but nothings coming loose. its as solid as a rock, i dont want to force it.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Valvarin:
hmm

i disassembled the niki today but i was at work and had no microscope to

see all chips
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] TryOG:
I kept mine closed, that's why I didn't see the chips... :) (Just joking)

Nice to hear that people really help eachother to solve this problem, but I hate to say this.

Don't let this happen like it did with the HTC TyTN (Vario II).

Succes!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
cant see 1 chip begining in RF/RT.. i see a pm7540
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Valvarin:
hmm, if this chip is there you will find a RF/RT IC too

I think these chips u will find:

RFT6120 RFR6120.

If you find them it's a bad sign.

the RFR6120 doesn't support GPS
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
ive put it back together now. i couldnt see any chips begining in either rf/rt.. unless it was under some sheilding i missed. it doesnt look good does it?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] fritsypeij:
@Valvarin: the document you took the screenshots from, says these are the available combinations in an MSM7200 chipset. All of these combinations support GPS. (i guess by saying available they mean these combinations are the only ones)

Further I think the rf/rt chips are sheilded because the phone needs them even for a simpel call over GSM**** or UMTS and ducamie didn't find them. Sorry if you find my post useless, junior just wants to help :P
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Valvarin:
nothing is useless.

but i don't know... cuz this is for msm7200 chipset and we have msm7200b

chipset
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
ive foolishly somehow forgot to take a picture of the underside of the board, there was at least 1 more qualcomm chip under there but it wasnt an rf/rt model.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
sorry about the pube lol
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Valvarin:
the big chip in the middle is the MSM7200 chip i cutted the metal plate
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] FuzzMunky:
I have read in many places that the MSM7200 has all the features built-in, that are required to support GPS. So why would there be an RF/RT chip? Perhaps I am missing the point.

Does the chip under the metal say MSM7200 or 7200b?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Valvarin:
MSM7200 and thats irritated me...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
well the software reading for the processor is 7200.. who said it was 7200b? is the 7200b better or worse than the 7200?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Valvarin:
pictures say more than thousend words^^

last line!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
oh i see... hmmm.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ZhenMing:
The strange thing is, there is no information of msm7200b chipset at all... and the advertised in HTC is msm7200... can that "b" means rev b?

if really in the phone is MSM7200b... it's also means the advertisement from HTC is somehow not correct.. cheat consumer???
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
could it be that there is no physical difference between the 2 but a firmware difference?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Valvarin:
hmm... but how u can explain that a MSM7200b Chipset has a PM7540

IC and the MSM7200 Chipset a PM7500 Chip?

It's in the curcurit plan in the PDF-File here
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ZhenMing:
The problem now is.. now one can confirm this... and we only can base on the advertised spec.... furthermore, the hardware chip that we can see is only qualcomm MSM7200
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
If you want know, what Chipset you have -> QPST it tells MSM7200b or MSM7200a?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Johnston411:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=375917

I thought this might be of interest.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] balviforever:
this is amazing.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] rvintem:
According to the table above, all MSM7200 configurations have a working GPS: RTR6275™, RTR6275™, RTR6285™, RFR6500™ and RFR6525™. The only diference would be in the UMTS capabilities/frequencies...

Am I seeing it wrong?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
The thing is, I couldnt see an RF chipset. Unless someone else can find one, I dont think the niki has one. Another thing is the PM chip, theres bearly any information on the pm7540, whats with that? To be honest all this stuff goes over my head and I dont really understand but from what I can logically see is that HTC have built a device with the bear minimum hardware specs for what they've announced. Theres zero information on msm7200b, probably because it doesnt exsist and its just been blasted with some differant firmware by htc maybe, i dont know why.

Im trying to stay optimistic but it doesnt look like gps is gonna work without hardware modifications. (from my lacking perspective)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] gfreek:
I take my hat off and admire the valiant effort that everyone is putting in to get full functional GPS on Niki!!! however after my conversation today (at IPTV World Forum 08 in Olympia) with a techi from mobile tv content provider based in Taiwan, he says GPS is NON functional on the Niki as HTC have NOT included all the the necessary hardware, I asked him how does he know that for fact? he says this is inside info coming from people he knows in the technical team within HTC.

I didn't go their specifically asking questions about my Niki, I went over there to promote my company services, and we just started talking and wanted exchange business contacts, that's when I got my Niki out and the conversation started from there really about HTC phones etc...

I see no reason not to believe him as he certainly knows what he's talking about and the fact he is from Taiwan and as we all know HTC is based there!

On a positive note I asked him about the Wi-Fi being enabled on Niki, he goes thats feasible as far as he knows the hardware is there on Nike it's just HTC put a non-functional wi-fi Radio in Niki, it's just case of getting the correct signed radio for it and it will work:)

So there you have it folks!! I hope for everyone's sake whatever this guy is saying on GPS is wrong!!! we can only pray, miracles do happen!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] janan:
let's see if this clarifies sthg wrt chipsets...

hello all!

I've been following this thread for time and think i've sthg to say wrt to hardware, basing on the photos previously posted.

1. [Mainboard] We can see a PM7500 chip, which is a power management / power source for MSM7200 chipsets. Both produced by Qualcomm and hard to get info about... (see table posted by Valvarin on #272 this thread). It worths its location on the mainboard: close to MSM7200.

We also can see an KAL009001 chip, which is the RAM memory (Samsung chipset) and a Xilinx chipset (smaller), which is the ROM memory, in this case, an FPGA chipset (that is, an EEPROM, Electrically Eraseable and Programable ROM).

2. [RF top-board] See photo posted by live2themaxuk on #110 this thread. We can see, from left to right, black, round camera optics, a BRF6300C chip, a silver box, an external antenna connector (round, golden, concentric metal) and an internal antenna made of a bended metal and solded by means of two big, square-shaped stain connections. This BRF chip (Bluetooth Radio Frequency) is manufactured by Texas Instruments (aka TI) and you can find its specs here.

The most interesting feature of this chip is that it shares antenna with 802.11 chipsets, such as TNETW1100 coming also from TI (see this document). This makes me conclude that:

2.1 Whatever is encapsulated in the silver box, seems to be sharing the external antenna, and also the internal one (simply follow the thin copper tracks in the board)​

2.2 Maybe (just guessing) HTC has encapsulated the wlan chipset in the silver box for two reason: (a) accomplish irradiation standards and avoiding interferences to other chipsets in the board, that is, the BRF6300 and (b) prevent xda-developers knowing what the silver box contains in case they disassemble the Nike :D​

.

Sorry for posting such a big entry. I need some more time to analise the GSM/UMTS chipsets, which I think are the ones located in the mainboard under the MSM7200 (notice they're also electromagnetically isolated and seem to be connected to the second external antenna connector and also to the metal stick on the bottom of the Nike, that is, the internal antenna...)

Anyone has new photos? unfortunately, I don't have a Nike to disassemble... I would appreciate to have photos of the reverse of the RF top-board and any other boards inside the nike. If not, let me arrive any numbering/lettering in the chipsets you would like to know. I'll do my best to provide useful info.

Just a final word: please, don't go on bothering each other, this denigrates the community and people may loose interest in collaborating this forum... it's my humble opinion.

Regards
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] janan:
I forgot to say that, for those who may not know, bluetooth and wireless lan (802.11b/g) both work on the same frequency band, the so called ISM band around 2.4 GHz frequency (ISM stands for Industrial Scientific and Medical, it's a kind of "free" frequency range where you're allowed to transmit assuming any other's device could affect your communication, between a specific power thresholds...).

this is only to reinforce my theory on 2.1 in my previous post...

comments are welcome!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] jockyw2001:
Old news buddy, we already know there is a BRF6300 in Niki.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] janan:
this also reinforces what I said before... :)

thanks for your input gfreek!!!

hands to work guys... and thank you for your great job! i'm just deciding whether to buy a Nike or not, wifi is so important for me...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] janan:
I know jockyw, just wanted to make a review of what we *know for sure* and trying to link it with some guessing about the still unknown hardware in the nike...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
I'm not sure if it makes a differance but the power management chip is a PM7540 (see my picture post(page 29)). I dont know if this is still classed as a PM7500.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] janan:
imho, I don't think it makes a big difference. it seems qualcomm produces PM75xx chipset series, all under the power management functionality umbrella. it's a typical practise, afaik. Maybe the difference is the encapsulation, the connectiors, the logics inside, the power output/control, the output impedance, etc.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
yeah, that makes sense. i'll agree. thanks for that.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ironmansp:
look at this cabs...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
will this thing brick my phone? its for a N560 Fujitsu Siemens Pocket LOOX
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ironmansp:
in the last cab ...

there is a file called firmware_update.cab

perhaps the "masters" (looking inside this file) can find the way to activate gps or talk with gps chipset of niki

As I read in other forums, the fujitsu NX560 at the beginning does not have gps functions, so I can suppose that this update is a radio firmware update

This software gets te position of the satellites from internet and lets tomtom or others run faster because tomtom does have to wait to search the position of the gps satellites
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ironmansp:
inside htcgpsupdate.exe of NX560

I have open htcgpsupdate.exe wih an hexadecimal editor and I have foudn the next:

The htcgpsupdate.exe ask for a quit the battery and reinit again the NX560 so it is a firmware updater I hope (correct me if I am wrong)

text found:

G P S F i r m w a r e U p d a t e % s \ G P S F i r m w a r e U p d a t e . l n k \ W i n d o w s \ H t c G p s U p d a t e . s U p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e s u c c e s s f u l l y ! P l e a s e t a p O K a n d t h e n r e m o v e t h e b a t t e r y f o r 1 0 s e c o n d s a n d i n s e r t i t a g a i n t o r e - s t a r t t h e s y s t e m . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( C ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( B ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( A ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 9 ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 8 ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 7 ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 6 ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 5 ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 4 ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 3 ) . C O M 8 F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 2 ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 1 ) . T a p O K t o s t a r t G P S f i r m w a r e u p d a t e .

P l e a s e D O N O T p o w e r o f f t h e d e v i c e . \Windows\HtcGpsUpdate.s