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[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Pantumaca:
HTC to lay off 1,500 employees from its Taiwan division (22% of workforce)...

Well, we can say we will not see an update for a looooong time.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] zopostyle:
Maybe it's from hardware/manufacturer part, not software development.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] eminc:
Hmm

https://twitter.com/LlabTooFeR/status/1014023984021671936?s=19
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Turtl3z:
That would be a pleasant surprise

Edit: wrong quote
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 5m4r7ph0n36uru:
Yes it is. HTC kept up all factories during the last six years even though some stopped production due to the streamlining of the product portfolio. Those are going to be shut down till September. For the rest, the future course hasn't been set as of yet. Depends on the fact that HTC could decide to outsource production completely, say to companies like e.g. Foxconn - would provide HTC the flexibility needed for the competition. We won't know for quite a while I guess.

Bottomline: software departments and research will stay unchanged.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Tassadar81:
Don't know if the sources are reliable source but seems that the update reported is for taiwan version :(

http://htcsource.com/2017/07/htc-u11-camera-security-update-july/
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] JEANRIVERA:
That was last year, did you even read the article? Or the comments from last year in the article?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Tassadar81:
Sorry you're right. I filtered news on google "last month" but probably something gone wrong :o :D
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Pantumaca:
Thanks for the info.

In the meantime let see that update announced by Llabtoofer
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] KlotX:
What do you guys think about this: https://www.technobezz.com/official-update-htc-u11-will-support-project-treble/

True?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] mlodykaras:
It's a really weird news, especially that it's from 8th of March and it mentions upcoming U11+ which was realeased in 2017 lol
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nomaj:
Fake 100%
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] KlotX:
That's what I thought. Thanks. :)
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Horatyu205:
Did any of you guys receive the promised update? Thanks!
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] eminc:
I am sure you will see a post here when (if) there is an update available
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] liam_davenport:
Don't worry soon as goes live you'll know this update is long overdue..
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Pantumaca:
Is here!!:

LlabTooFeR (@LlabTooFeR) twitteó:

It's here ? Make a note, this build doesn't pass safetynet checks... So we may see some other build to be deployed over ota unless HTC certifies it... Yeah, it's U11 ? https://t.co/ywuYTFZMc9 https://twitter.com/LlabTooFeR/status/1016935980010483718?s=17

OMFG! Unbelievable...
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Electronic Punk:
Most of us are on .10, .11 I have the RUU for but never bothered, .12 is the result of 6 months hard updates.

Fortunately the U11 software is in a good stable place, but sad lack of effort really :p
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] pbaudis:
Support for HTC in the Czech Republic promises me a new security update for two months. It will be released in the near future, but it is still a question WHERE ?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 5m4r7ph0n36uru:
We should wait an see how large the update really is shouldn't we. And as HTC had all patches up to April 2018, at least according to a test by SnoopSnitch there really was no need for an update of an, otherwise stable and well running system.

In most cases the tested QMR has another version numbering than the release version. So let's wait and see.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Electronic Punk:
I would be hugely suprised if my U11 running October 2017 security updates was patched all the way to April 2018.

You may be referring to the 12 which is in a far more recent place.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 5m4r7ph0n36uru:
Wait mine is on November 2017 and SnoopSnitch never gave me back that there's anything to be patched, until 2 weeks ago.

So now is the right time, as it got some things that might be good to be patched up.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Electronic Punk:
Yeah sorry November, but all of course before Spectre Meltdown at least.

Additionally, I think all the popular custom kernels do include some security fixes themselves!

Never used Snoopsnitch before, looks interesting, but mine only goes up as far as 2017-12 not sure if I can look at the last 6 months as well.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Electronic Punk:
Not to dismiss how happy I am to see a new security update of course :)
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] luarpc:
Let's wait and see!!!!

https://twitter.com/LlabTooFeR/status/1014023984021671936

:o
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] rabbitp:
Security - 01.11.2017. Realy HTC?

Why should I buy U12+?

They do not respect the customer.

I am with them from HTC Diamond.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] ShyamSasi:
Yup, I agree.. I used to be a hardcore HTC fan and a customer since Wildfire but updates are just slow like the security update. In getting emails from our IT asking to update because I run company applications on them and my phone is on outdated security patches ?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] gokhanknc1:
Finally!
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Tassadar81:
Is it european?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] gokhanknc1:
Taiwan ??
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] JackalJackalJackal:
What month of security ?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 5m4r7ph0n36uru:
June 2018.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] mlodykaras:
I wonder if this update is just about security updates or maybe they did some optimisations in the background. 8 months wait... Not bad for a flagship:p
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] hristovvilyo:
European update of Oreo is postponed and coming soon in 2019 for example.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] eminc:
8 months of wait and 2 months old security patch and who knows when the us version get the update.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 5m4r7ph0n36uru:
System is still running fine on my U11. No need for optimizations, but only security patches that finally got some valid fixes for the U11 in June, according to the Google Bulletin.

Actually the updates, after the Taiwan variant got it, are going to roll-out according to sales numbers. Guess Europe will be within the next two weeks. Don't know how sales are in the US compared to Europe. Would say in case if the U11 theybare quite the same.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Pantumaca:
Impressions, please?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] gokhanknc1:
Nothing changes ...
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Pantumaca:
Thanks.

That is good, I guess... The u11 works really good, the only thing was the outdated security patch.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] cat explosion:
Japanese variant HTV33 received an update on 24-July... Version is 2.44.970.12

When will the other regions being updated?

https://www.au.com/information/notice_mobile/update/update-20180724-01/
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Pantumaca:
Japan - 24/7

Taiwan - 31/7

Europe - 10/8 ¿?

With the u12+ and u11+ the ota took 7-10 days from region to region. I guess with the u11 will be the same.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] metropical:
is anyone here running an unlocked U11 on T-Mo US?

Any issues?

What is current OEM OTA version?

Is the BT v5 or still 4?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] eminc:
Software number is 2.42.617.6 with December security patch.

I am not using t mobile currently but I was using it last 3 months without a problem.

I am not sure about the Bluetooth version. Is there any way to check it?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nalluri:
Officially Android 9 Pie is released today.

Can we expect update by December ?

HTC Europe stuck with November 2017 security patch but atleast provide us with new stable android and all will be forgiven.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] eminc:
By December? For the u11?

U12+ maybe. I don't think even the u12+ will get it by December though
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
The U11 got the update in November last year. I still expect HTC to be among the first.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] JackalJackalJackal:
Are you sure you're waiting for Android 9 for your HTC U11 ? Is that a joke ? The security update is almost a year old. The chance is only HTC U12 +.

The HTC U11 is a dead phone for HTC. :crying:
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] eminc:
They might give it fast to the u12 but I don't think it will be same for the u11. I am still on the December patch, so, no, I don't have any hopes for the Pie
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Wildclip:
No issues I've encountered.

I think it's v5 since it supports Bluetooth le now?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] amit_sen:
I think early Feb 2019 is better timeframe for U11 as we have to remember U11 is not flagship for htc anymore. Still it will be way earlier than s8, note8, g6, v30 etc . U12 will get it by mid Nov to early Dec.

Jun security updates for u11, u11+ will be last release on Oreo.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Pantumaca:
The u11 was the flagship in 2017, but not now. It will receive android p as the htc10 received Oreo this year: february-march depending on which market we are talking about

Oh, it was in November for American market. In Europe arrived in January...

And yes, the u11 will receive android p. Htc always push two system updates to its flagships.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] gokhanknc1:
Look for the first android phone making brand! It's really a shame! Gradually it is erased from the market. As someone who has used M7, M8, 10 and u11 models, I will never get HTC again. I can not go after you more than a company that has no respect for the customer! Everyone will pay for the mistake!
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Pantumaca:
But what is the problem?

The u11 works perfectly, with no issues and smooth like a baby ass.

The outdated security patch? Right, but the security patch is not only what Google say, it can be implemented by manufacturers through its kernels and ROMs

I mean, I do not want monthly updates introducing more bugs than solutions. With two or three updates per year (updates developed correctly and tested) is more than enough.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] hristovvilyo:
The security updates is not mandatory but Google make security update every month? Why? Android 8.1 also is not mandatory... Come on! Google make this updates because they not have another job to do? Realy?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Pantumaca:
No, they do not have other thing to do really. Android is the main data collection tool for their purposes.

Google do that because as any other OS, android have to upgrade and enhance its options and features to compete with others. This means more clients, more money and more data collected.

A phone with the latest android version sells more than the exact phone with the previous version. Why? Because we are that way, always wanting the newer (and not always is the same as better).

If htc (or other manufacturers) patch the kernel they do not need to apply the monthly updates. I mean, a phone with an older security patch can be more secure than other with one more recent if the manufacturer has good engineers.

Once said that, I agree with htc should update more frequently... Maybe once per quarter?

Anyway, in the next few days we should see a ota.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] rmc69:
OTA is here for US unlocked. Security patch through June 1st.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Wildclip:
Duplicate
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] necktru:
I just received the OTA, June security patch, nothing more?? I think this gona be the last OTA for our U11s
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] eminc:
Well, we weren't expecting more than the security patch. And yes this is the last OTA for the Oreo. If HTC acts similar for the u11 as they did for the htc 10 like couple of guys said, we will get the Pie update in February or March
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Well at least we will be able to sleep better at night for a little while knowing our phones are secure!

This will not be the last. We will get Android Pie.

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Does anyone know what the improvements are?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] caviera:
Can I update without loosing root?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
I will bet the U12+ will get it by the end of September and the U11 by the end of December. :good:
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] weliyt:
Just reflash magisk in twrp after updating

On a semi-related issue, is anyone able to do

Used to be able to boot into twrp without flashing so I can back up original recovery, after update I can't just boot into twrp and I must flash it... meaning I cannot backup the original recovery
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 5m4r7ph0n36uru:
They promised to bring Android 9 Pie to it last year imho. Would be bad to see them not keeping their promise.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
I was wondering the same thing. We used to be able to download and flash just the recovery too.

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And just think, we all survived this long without a security update. LMAO.

The HTC U11 was so perfect it barely needed an update and we will get Pie.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Black-FR:
Didn't they also tell you, that they gonna bring a update for WWE?

You still believe any of it, what HTC says?

They updated us unlocked again, while they still give a fu.. about WWE.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 5m4r7ph0n36uru:
It is in the works. I know it, well let's say, not second hand. U11 sold better in the US so US is always first on that one. In contrast U12+ sells.better in EMEA which is why US got the first OTA after EMEA.

Security Patch with June 2018 will arrive on the European U11.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
As far as I can tell, my U11 didn't even need an update. Except for security maybe but I still never hear of any catastrophic security breaches on Android.

HTC hasn't been the best lately with updates but they have yet to let us down when it comes to a major Android version update. We will soon find out.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Embattle:
Security updates are about plugging holes before you hear about them, or more importantly have data stolen.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] gokhanknc1:
Stop bullshitting! Are you advocating that a flagship phone is not getting updates for 9 months? You may not need to update; but if I bought a top-of-the-range Android device, I'd like to get regular updates for 2 years. And there are brands that provide it. The Htc has not been defended. Do not defend; you are in a funny state!
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
I have my opinion and I'm allowed to. I clearly said major OS updates. And the U11 was so perfect I didn't need an update. Why fix what isn't broken? The U11 was broken at first for us Verizon users and that got fixed. Updates aren't always good, the battery life on the U11 was phenomenal so why fix what isn't broken? Some people just like to update no matter what the update is and still aren't happy. I'm not buying this notion that everyone cries for updates just for security updates. I've been around XDA for quite some time and know how people here always beg the devs for more updates. So yes I am saying that the U11 didn't need much for updates. We all have our own choices. We all know which phone to buy if you want the most updates.

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Just like with development, I feel HTC phones do not need much development anymore. I like just being able to use my phone and not spend hours and hours in Dev threads trying to make my phone perfectly optimized and themed. We just don't need it anymore. And it's wonderful. :victory:
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] gokhanknc1:
As long as you are like-minded customers, what HTC does is small. That's not what other customers think. The status of HTC, the best brand of Android, is obvious. Deplorable. The companies that do not care about the opinions of the customers are the end of it. And HTC is heading towards the end of that speed.

After that, you have given me tips on what to buy. There was no need for that. There are too many options. But the brand will never be taken again. :cool:
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Yes we all know the state of HTC. We know people get angry when we don't think the same and jump in the hate HTC bandwagon but we all make our own choices. I do not like the pixel brands for lack of sdcard support and for how ugly they are. I don't like pure Android I like edge sense, 3d audio and the speakers and the U Sonic headphones. As much as people want to hate on HTC they are still leading in innovation.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] gokhanknc1:
I do not like Stock Android and use htc ... this should be a joke. Hearing that htc thinks it is an interface like emui or miui :confused: Anyway ... The pleasures and colors are indisputable. Have a nice day...
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] gnabtib8:
Android Pie confirmed

https://twitter.com/htc/status/1028000627794706432
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] AarSyl:
I wonder what HTC will do about the gesture features on the U11. I'm thinking that they might remove it altogether.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] zopostyle:
I even replied to them to let us choose. Disable hardware and use only the new, use only the hardware and use both, but lettings us decide as an option in settings..
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] eminc:
Gesture feature controls still takes place on the bottom of the screen. So I think it's unnecessary since we have the dedicated buttons but it wouldn't hurt to have an option to enable it in the settings
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] mlodykaras:
So what's the story with WWE update? Can we now assume that HTC abandoned us and it's time to move on?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 5m4r7ph0n36uru:
No. Actually the problem is with all the operators. WWE got 10 times as many operators as all other variants taken together. All those got to test and report back on VoLTE and VoWiFi. Guess we can all tell what this means don't we.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] hristovvilyo:
What about unlocked European model? The same story happened with Oreo update - waiting, no hurry, we will received more polished rom! And in the end we received old rom with old security update but after 2 months :)
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] korom42:
It is still on November security update... no updates for 9 months for UK carriers U11, wth

Compared to my last Sony device It was receiving monthly updates for to 2yrs at least (no big changes only security updates) but I find this is ridiculous
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Can anyone show any real issues caused by lack of updates? Just curious...
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] JEANRIVERA:
The real issue is people whining about not getting that important update they don't have yet and once they get it they will still complain because there is nothing new to play with because all it added was a security patch on the system level and nothing else
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] xunholyx:
Are you sure about this?

From my understanding, WWE is pretty much the same as US Unlocked. It works with every carrier. Anything carrier related would be from non-WWE devices bought from the carrier itself, such as T-Mo or EE or such.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] hristovvilyo:
For you security is not so important? In this case go back to Android 7 Nougat because U11 is great device and not really matter what operation system is installed. Or better Android 6!
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] JEANRIVERA:
that wasn't my point but as a matter of fact I do have more devices and some of them are running Android Nougat (7) and Android Marshmallow (6) and they are just fine and they are probably more secure than you will ever be with all latest security patches on your device or devices.

Security on a device start with the USER, first know what the hell you install on your device or know what comes pre-installed in it, research and investigate before installing dumb stuff on your phone, I have been using Smartphones even before Android came to life, and never ever had any issues with security or risking my data been exposed without my permission. for example I know you are listening to Beastwars (The Devil Took Her) and that took only 30 seconds to find out with your instagram account too, for someone who cares that much for security you don't look to secure at all

My point is Pre-Android era nobody used to care for updates on their devices, now all of a sudden everybody get in panic because they are not on the latest Android Security patch level, if you care so much for security updates get an iPhone or get a Pixel phone
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] hristovvilyo:
Thanks a lot for the great advices but we speak here for U11! Your post is great off-topic wisdom. Long off-topic wisdom!
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 5m4r7ph0n36uru:
I checked it with a European HTC official prior to posting this. He explained to me how many carriers are involved regarding VoLTE and VoWiFi. As all carriers promote that their services work with a free devices as well, the WWE variant has to incorporate such features and got them to be tested.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] mlodykaras:
Nobody is 'whining'. We or I just stated the fact the TW and US numerous times received updates (HTC 10 as well) and WWE did not. I feel sometimes like owning obsolete device even though it's a friggin flagship for 700e. And system updates are important and it's not about something not working. It's a about adding useful features, patching BT so I could use all the features on old devices, updating the sense home, removing that bloatware aka 'news republic', enhancing camera speed and auto exposure, adding more customisation options to UI and Audio! There are many things I was hoping for but the only thing I get is a delayed, already out of date Security patch. Hilarious!
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Hellberg:
The U11 is indeed a great device, with or without frequent updates, but I still think it's serious when a company like HTC obviously don't care about security on their devices. Sure, the security updates won't matter to many people, but some of the updates contain patches for pretty big security holes.. I'm not sure if the U11 with the november update is even patched against the rather serious KRACK vulnerability which should have been fixed in the November 6 patch (my U11 has November 1) . I also had a Samsung Galaxy S7 until just a few months ago when I gave it away, and that phone was still getting security updates regularly despite being more than a year older than the U11. Sure, Samsung is a much larger company with more resources, but they also have waaay more regions and carrier versions of their software, but they still manage to do security updates in a decent way. I really don't like Samsungs version of Android though, which is why I don't have a Samsung phone anymore, but at least they tried to keep it secure. And as someone mentioned, Sony also does a good job with security updates and I'm sure they have the same problems with carriers etc as HTC.

I still like my U11 and it works great, but it would obviously feel better to know that it's being updated regularly to patch any known security issues. So, I doubt that my next phone will be made by HTC.