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[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] sallam5010:
lol seriously man hahahah nice trick
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Chad_Petree:
HTC just needs to improve their hdr* mode, I get blown out skies quite often :(
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] whencut86:
Looking at the pics and low light capabilities of the camera in both auto and manual mode, I have gone ahead and ordered the HTC u11. Been a Sony fan all along and switching to a non-Sony phone for the first time. My choices were HTC u11, xperia xz1 and pixel 2. Pixel 2 was expensive compared to others. HTC has same memory capacity, expandable card slot and good audio experience and a pack of headphones in the package at a lesser price. So had to settle for HTC U11.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Boskoel03:
Good choice,using my for 2 months now and i am still really really satisfied,i am sure u will be also.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Al3xxxinho:
Well, I think that HTC is not providing same quality for same money.

Basically, me and a friend both have an HTC u11, both dual sim versions, running the same version of android 8.0

My phone: has a red-ish tint on the screen / camera is worse in the same lighting conditions

His phone: screen is more pleasant to look at, does not have the red-is ting / camera is better in the same lighting conditions

Both phones have JDI LCD panels.

I'll upload two photos and let you guys judge which one is better:

First photo: iso-728 and 1/15 sec

Second photo: iso-494 and 1/20 sec
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Cueball74:
Original vs. Google Photo Enhancement

Attached are two images, before & after. Original pic was HDR-Auto, enhanced pic was cropped and adjusted with the Google Photos Palma filter:

Original

Google Photos Palma Filter
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] sercos72:
Did you choose the '' Auto touch exposure and HDR Auto'', those settings make the difference.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Al3xxxinho:
No, both were identical in terms of settings.

I've uploded another photo with the tint at low brightness. Color profile was set to vivid with the slider at neutral. Comparison is made with a redmi note 4x.

In the other photo, you can see that the text and details are lost and everything does not look very sharp. I did multiple photos, all showing the same result.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=12j8oqlbq-9fp9dTeny1R2ZPRwrWD633T
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] sercos72:
Maybe your device has hardware problem. Best settings for auto mode: HDR Auto and Auto Touch Exposure enable.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Al3xxxinho:
I think it does, that is why I'll try and have it replaced. Will speak with HTC on monday, it's a shame really.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] @Peterrrrr:
Anyone here who knows if there are any place on the web that have raw ding files from U11?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Jbb3393:
https://t.me/htcu11group/5203 this is the version I have found best lately, with some settings edits. Gives great results with portrait.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Anakha56:
So who's U11 has a hot pixel? :( Sadly the phone is an import so support will be difficult...

*edit*

So not a hotspot but rather lens flare. I have never had this problem with a smartphone camera before so I dont think HTC are doing software tricks to get rid of it and instead are showing it in full glory. Back to being content with the phone, just needs faster updates...
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] kurkosdr:
This, this is why Samsung is raking in billions while HTC is almost bankrupt: Consistency vs lack thereof. Some examples from personal experience:

HTC Evo 3D: Misaligned camera lenses ruining the stereoscopic 3d effect on some phones

HTC One M7: You either got a purple-haze camera that got worse over time from ST or a greenish tint camera from Omnivision. I once got both from eBay!

HTC One M8: Some of the models had a "light-grey", less well-anodized metal (again, got both from eBay, M8x phones have the light-grey metal while M8n have the dark grey metal)

HTC 10: Battery problems on some batches (from a friend)

HTC U11/U11+: You either get a perfect camera or a very grainy one (I got the grainy one, despite ordering straight from HTC UK :crying:).

Does anyone know how we can see what sensor our U11/U11+ phones have?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Lion_Smith:
Try software "Device Info HW"
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] stargate1000:
Auto hdr. Straight out of camera.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] stargate1000:
Auto hdr. Sun was just out of the frame to the right, handled very well.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nebulaoperator:
I should not worry much about a little noise it's normal. It has good dynamic range and detail. I also like the white balance.

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Clock image is so clear and defined. By the way did you see that drop of water sitting in the middle of the plant ? :) ?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] stargate1000:
Yeah I noticed the drop of water. I really do think HTC have a winner in the camera department without a doubt. Love mine.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] gavinfabl:
Looks very good.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nebulaoperator:
[MENTION=1022629]stargate1000[/MENTION] Can you tell if there is an option to disable whether EIS or OIS while recording video in settings? If so would you be willing to disable one and record 1080 video while walking or simply being active? Surely you don't have to do that but if you have opportunity. The reason I mention it is there is frame jitter/stutter observed on video recording by people on youtube. Someone suggested to turn off the feature I can't remember which one of them.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] stargate1000:
Yes no problem. Will do later when I get a chance.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nebulaoperator:
[MENTION=1022629]stargate1000[/MENTION] Thanks! Enjoy your phone :)
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] stargate1000:
I cannot find any option to turn on or off eis or ois. My video also seems to be pretty smooth as far as I can see walking about the garden.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] narenrata24:
I like to shot long exposure shot and it has ability to shot 32 sec long exposure shot can you upload this type of image
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] stargate1000:
Yeah will try this evening for you.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nebulaoperator:
Good to hear that but it;s a shame HTC does not include that option. If you want upload video you are more than welcome :) Thanks
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] tony.wheeler:
Wow. Impressed with the camera. A few photos from today attached.

I've noticed selfies are still reversed (mirror image) in the resulting photo, not been able to resolve that so far.

I'm getting used to the squeeze to start the camera..
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] tony.wheeler:
A few more from outside. It's quite dull out so it's clear the camera has boosted things a bit, these are all slightly low light. The photo of the small yellow/green leaf bush was taken on Pro (jpg). I did that because the auto white balance hadn't quite got it right.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] blueberry60:
I loved photos, colors are so natural, especially below that, impossible to describe how amazing it is:
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] narenrata24:
With your photo now I am can't wait to buy this device but where is htc I am desperately waiting for you
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] narenrata24:
My friend don't forget to upload long exposure shot for us
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] tony.wheeler:
I'll get a few more today and get outside in the dark to capture some (but I've no phone holder to steady it..)
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] narenrata24:
Ok no problem
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] tony.wheeler:
Example Photos and Videos

Here are some full quality images and videos for you all to see - this hardware is really good quality :good:. These were taken by me (all hand-held) using the auto settings. In the photos I did adjust some exposures to take account of background lighting and in some I set the HDR mode to on. In all others the HDR was left at auto (the normal setting).

I left the camera in 4:3 ratio (default) to ensure maximum number of pixels (setting 16:9 just zooms into that cropped area). The videos were taken on FHD.

Photos are here: https://goo.gl/gwcgwe

My comments/observations: great photos in general with lots of tonal range. Very little adjustment is required (except as always for back lighting) to be able to get great photos. Taking photos in bright light outside is really good - the bright screen also means the detail on screen (for focusing etc) is more easily seen than was the case on the HTC 10. However, with the new screen you cannot see the screen in horizontal mode with polarising glasses (I'm OK with that because if I want to see details I'd lift the glasses and making it now OK in Portrait means use in the car is great even when driving with polarising glasses!). Have a look at the photos I took indoors where the lighting was mixed between natural and tungsten - the exposure and the white balance is great (the screen matched the reality of what I saw. In general the camera adds a nice boost to indoor shots so that detail pops out. In almost all cases all of the indoor shots in my examples are brighter than I saw - but that makes the photos look good and there is no sign of exposure problems. Maybe it is the auto-HDR but it really does a good job. Within these photos you can see all the photo attributes to see shutter and aperture etc.

Videos are here: https://goo.gl/sF4dVg

My comments/observations: The video files are large (4, 54 and 175MB). The biggest at 175Mb is "VIDEO0006.mp4" and worth looking at. In this video example you can clearly see, as I pan the view horizontally, the stabilisation artefact (from about 23 secs) that I understand is being referred to as shuttering. The video picture 'jutters' and it's not very impressive. This is my main gripe so far and I suspect caused by the Electronic stabilisation. Others have commented on it and so long as it's electronic (and not caused by the optical stabilisation) then HTC may be able to remove this problem. When the video is not panned the picture is good, and the sound impressive.

I hope this helps those that have yet to get theirs - it will be worth the wait. Do get a case that stops the phone being slippery! While out and about holding the phone taking photos and video I kept thinking about what if I drop it!! You will likely want to get a clear soft case as I have to ensure better grip (than the HTC supplied one).

Have fun :).
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nebulaoperator:
[MENTION=238433]tony.wheeler[/MENTION]

Wow. Thank you so much Tony ! I see you really took some time to take them and arrange for viewing.

As for the stills I am very impress how well camera maintenance white balance. My Pixel cannot do that to be honest. Images are slightly on the softer size that might be due to the lens and luckily HTC does not try to compensate it with sharpenning . I also see gentle tendency to saturate images under less sun conditions but that does not bother me it's not intrusive.

Panorama mode is pretty impressive though my sharp eyes could see the stitching here and there :)

As for the video quality it's just OK . Jitter and the digital artefacts are visible. I really hope they could start update by disabling EIS ( Iv'e red somewhere too that causes jitter combined with OIS )

By the way do you think there oleophobic coating on the lens gals so far?

Thanks!
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] RSK01:
Can't wait to see your camera review on the 11.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] tony.wheeler:
Thanks. Glad to help.

I hadn't even heard of an 'oleophobic' coating before you mentioned it.. But after a Google Search...

Yes it looks like it must be there. I did a very scientific test :eek:. I polished the phone (glass shine) back and checked the lens was clean too. Then I pressed my finger tip on the camera lens - I could see no finger print. Then I tried the phone back :(.

There's very clearly something on the lens that resists oily finger prints. Impressed.. Why not across the entire phone back I wonder?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] gavinfabl:
With a coating it would make phone very very slippery. So reason samsung s8 omits one from the back side.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nebulaoperator:
As far as I remember HTC 10 had lens glass easy to smear ( can't tell you for sure although) . That would give me extra headache to keep it always clean .
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] tony.wheeler:
Low Light Examples

Here are a few low-light examples. I took these just now - the subjects are not the best but I tried to capture a few variations in colour and brightness. It's actually getting quite dark outside. You can see all the detail in the attributes as these are full quality shots from the camera (on 12MP full auto).

https://goo.gl/lAcX9K

The photos are in numeric order so you can see how the light levels are low. In the last photos (of the hanging basket) I deliberately forced high ISO by increasing the brightness of the photo (touch screen and slide finger up to brighten) - you can see that even at the ISO 3152 of the last image (IMAG1508.jpg) the detail is there. In fact the green leaves in that shot of the bush below are easy to see in the photo than they were for my eyes!
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] stargate1000:
Couple of raw files lashed through lightroom mobile. There's definitely a lot of data to be had in the raw files (more than my LG G6 ever had. I always thought they were lacking a bit - and always had a huge purple magenta cast in lightroom)
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] tony.wheeler:
They look very impressive, thanks.

I've not really tried the Lightroom mobile app but I'll look at it now I know it handles our raw files.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] kaw900r:
How is the zoom function? Hate to say it I used my wife's iPhone7plus and the zoom is very good like 8x or something. Would be nice to be able to use out in nature when you can't get to close... t/u
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] Fred98TJ:
Looking good so far. The flash on the photos of the white flowers blew the highlights completely though.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nebulaoperator:
7even plus would excel here because it has x2 optical zoom.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] stargate1000:
Just a few from today. I'm over the moon with this phone. It's a beast in most departments.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] stargate1000:
Few from the aquarium today, 2 auto edited in Google photos and one in lightroom (dng) converted.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] tony.wheeler:
Thanks. It's a great camera that's for sure.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] synplex:
This was taken today while walking my dog in Dim over-casted skies. I'm Amazed at how bright and clear it came out. The colors are true to life and the condition weren't the best. I have high hopes for the Phone's Camera! :D :victory:

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(*This is a smaller compressed upload)
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] tony.wheeler:
A Few More photos - a Day out at Stourhead

A few more photos to see how the camera performs. Some are uploaded here (to ease access) and all (many more) are shared from my Google Drive: https://goo.gl/JEoM2H - there are 57 photos here in their original form.

I am uploading a few 4K video examples to YouTube and will share links later.

In case anyone wants to know - these photos are all handheld on what was a gloomy day. The location is a beautiful UK National Trust location called Stourhead: https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/stourhead
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] tony.wheeler:
:) I just uploaded 6 examples of 4K video to YouTube. This link will show a playlist with the videos there. These videos were taken at the UK National Trust Stourhead site like the photos above. The remarks against the videos describe them. The videos are here: [url]https://goo.gl/cQkMCy[/URL]

All shot on the 4K setting and captured to the local phone memory. You'll see how good the sound is, the sound zoom function, examples of the macro capability, and the 4K in general on what was a rather gloomy day. The video on YouTube is from a straight upload (no processing at all) and I must observe that the video seems brighter and slightly more colourful when viewed on my laptop - so I suspect that the YouTube processing has caused some undesirable changes - I'll clearly annotate if I do upload and allow YouTube to process any enhancements.

The audio zoom function does actually work - and very well as you will hear in the examples.

I hope this helps. I continue to be impressed with the phone in general but the camera in particular. Panning video shots
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 5m4r7ph0n36uru:
First 3 quick shots taken yesterday and today with my new U11.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] mosincredible:
Was passing by the pet aisle in TJ Maxx and said, "this looks like a colorful scene" and took this beauty. You can see all the different textures and details in each toy.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] tony.wheeler:
Great shot. The camera certainly takes a colourful picture but saturation is about right for me - not too vivid.:good:
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] KevinDC:
What's your take on the shutter speed? While pictures come out looking good, it seems (to me) that the camera itself is slow to actually take a picture. Maybe I was just spoiled by the instant responsiveness of the S8 and the Pixel, but it always seems to take a half a beat after I've pushed the button to take a picture, regardless of HDR settings or focus or lighting, etc. Has that been your experience too?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] 5m4r7ph0n36uru:
I recognized that it's fast when hitting the button on the screen, while it takes a little bit more time when using the Edge press. Maybe this is to give us the time to stop the short wobble when pressing the frame!?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] *justintime*:
I am not a photographer so this is just auto mode. Click and snap.

http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/594124522ae42/tapatalk_1497441102311.jpeg?

http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/59412456b3ec4/IMAG0055.jpg?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] cstark27:
Here's a crude and quick side by side of U11 (left) Vs Pixel (right) in really low light.

The real test for me will be when I get home and start taking pictures of my child...
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] AarSyl:
That's....a tough comparison...
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] cstark27:
If you open the full size picture ( http://i.imgur.com/2Skxp4o.png ) it's easier to see. The U11 packs more detail and more is in focus.

So far, I am seeing the U11 offers more detail in lower light situations, and is quicker to focus in those conditions.

In daylight, they both offer about the same amount of detail, but the Pixel's HDR+ is better at not blowing out the sky - it will still look blue instead of white.

After having tried the S8 camera against the Pixel, and not liking the S8, the U11 impresses me.

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This has been my experience as well, especially compared to the Pixel.

The Pixel captures instantaneously and the resulting photo is exactly what you intended to capture. The U11 pauses for a bit before snapping. Maybe ~0.5 seconds. Sometimes it seems quicker as the app "warms up" after taking a few photos but may just be a coincidence.

The S8 appears to capture instantaneously, but the resulting photos were again 0.5-1 seconds past, and my side by side comparisons revealed that.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nebulaoperator:
U11 detail is superior. I am surprised to see that because U11 tends to have ugly grain in low light shots but here. Did you have HTC in Auto mode? HDR+ on or off?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] cstark27:
That was HDR Auto on the U11 and HDR+ Auto on the Pixel.

Here's U11 HDR Auto (left) vs U11 HDR (On) (right). I prefer the HDR Auto even though it's darker, it still appears slightly sharper and with more detail.

Full size: http://i.imgur.com/3QFy8mu.png
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nebulaoperator:
I would totally expect opposite software tackling low light image by introducing noise reduction algorithm by smudging it. Do you mind to upload original files I would like to take a look at exif data please.?
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] cstark27:
https://goo.gl/photos/YPmxaX26ibQCntaA7

Click the info button for some basic EXIF, and to see my comment about what photos are what. Included a couple more, too.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nebulaoperator:
Thanks. I downloaded images and inspected them on my Photoshop. Seems google took and compressed, downsized resolution some of the images and exif data gone for half of them. Just upload them on wetransfer and post the link to upload here. I find this case curious :D and would love to give another look at them
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nebulaoperator:
Someone created little camera comparison gallery here U11 vs S8 vs Iph7: http://imgur.com/a/zh4GZ
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] AarSyl:
That was a pretty good display of each camera. It made the iPhone 7 look really bad, though.

There are cases where the S80 will take better pictures than the U11, like the picture with the statues (the gravel has much more detail on the S8).

I don't determine by the camera, anyway, because I use the phone for much more than that. I use and switch between plenty of apps, and RAM management is important, as well as fluidity when switching. I am currently using a Nexus 6 with a cracked screen covering 75% of the display instead of my beautiful S7 right now for that same reason. Lag is real, not placebo...and I don't deal with that well.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] nebulaoperator:
In fact gravel is no better than U11. I would say U11 has a marginal advantage in detail. The trick here is touch on screen exposure that brightens the image and the gravel but the sun gets overexposed. I have applied curve adjustment in Photoshop to U11 image to match the brightness that's all. Now compare both files. Also look at the concrete base of the statue and compare to S8, it barely has any texture. The trick in the gravel Samsung applies heavy sharpening here while HTC U11 brings the detail straight out of the camera without any sharpening. Link to both images : https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B0YVARBKY0hpSjFYeF92NUx5dDQ?usp=sharing

Another thing is to look at is gravel colour . Look at the gravel colour variety on U11 shot and at the same shot on S8. HTC image contains many colours while S8 reduce it to a single cold blueish Hue.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] jassu:
Why the selfie quality is so bad ? In live view the picture looks sharp bit whrn you take a picture, save it then it looks not so sharp. I hope they will fix it with an update.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] skypilotofhope:
No OIS on the front-facing camera has an impact. I'm noticing it too.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] jassu:
But there is a EIS on the front. Maybe a mod will solve this
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] duowing:
Is it me or does the optical video stabilization actually seem worse than the 10? When doing side by side the viewfinder in the 10 seemed noticeably smoother. I then switched hands in case maybe I'm more stable, and still same thing. It looked like software cleaned up the rest, but the 10s video to me felt more natural where the 11 felt more software stabile.
[HTC U11  Guides, News, & Discussion] jadespacee:
RearCamera Issue.

I received the pre ordered HTC U11 from jarir yesterday and upon checking the rear camera, I believe there are bugs on it. The pictures taken were not as good as those coming from initial review.

Am I the only person having thiskind of trouble?

What am I supposed to do to fix this? Thanks.