yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[OnePlus 3T Questions & Answers] derAndroidler:
But Vertex has not many features, right?

I have official RR installed, but now I am unsure, if I should use one of the unofficials?!?

Are there many differences?
[OnePlus 3T Questions & Answers] phoberus:
Yes, Vertex has only a few features but is extremly stable and fast.

The official is good too, almost all roms for our phone are good. It's your choice :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] blackspawn2:
What is in your opinion the best browser (last version) for our Kaiser instead of Explorer.

I never tried Mozilla Minimo or Netfront...any feedback?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cotc2001:
For quick n easy when on GPRS Opera Mini

If on 3G OR wifi then opera mobile.

I've tried the rest and these are the best IMHO
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zcink:
I've tried Minimo and found it absolutely useless. Was not impressed with Opera Mini, but Opera 8.65 is Impressive.

I've never tried Netfront but I would like to.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MikeChannon:
To be honest I'm not sure that these kinds of thread get us very far - and often lead to arguments.

The best advice is try them all yourself and lookup Menneisyys guides as he does a superbly dtailed round up of these.

Having said the above, I'll ignore it and say this:

Another vote for Opera Mini's latest version (very fast and actually a nice set of features and viewing options - great on the road) Free so you can have it anyway alongside any other browser

PIE is actually pretty decent IF you install the slow scroll fix CAB (without the CAB installed forget it)

I also use Opera Mobile. Actually I sometimes run bothe PIE and Opera mobilesimultaneously- there are some sites that just render better on some browsers than others and it's not always consistently the same browser. So that's my choice or rather my three.

Mike
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zcink:
Can you post that .cab here. (PIE slow scroll fix CAB) I can't seem to find it in a search.

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DrX666:
Opera mini, no doubt!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MikeChannon:
PIE Scroll Bug Fix for Kaiser_Tilt

Mike
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zcink:
Got it -- Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] icewhitenewyear:
honestly i have found opera mini the abs. best hands down..the only thing i can say that it should add is a way to have more than one window. but thats it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
Another vote for Opera Mini. Don't forget to read my related tips & tricks, which make it MUCH easier to use - for example, the invocation hack. See http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Web Browsing, browsers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
Try it with Jbed, using the hacks & shortcuts I've developed and/or explained in my Bibles. With them, OMini is WAY better than without.

You didn't lose much - OMini and/or Opera Mobile / IEM with a decent plug-in (PIEPlus + Flash + CrEme for Java) is WAY bettter.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sbirsen:
Could you send a link to your bible ? Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sbirsen:
Ok I found it http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?cat=168
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cp_kirkley:
Picsel Browser pwns Opera Mini IMO. I split time between Picsel and Opera 8.65.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ratcom:
There was me thinking I was the only one using "Picsel Browser" ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gabriel31337:
I'm looking for some tabbed browser, I'm currently using ANB Web Viewer, but want something better :rolleyes:

Any hints?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cp_kirkley:
I know were in the minority for sure, hehe. Cant tell you how many times a WM user has asked what browser i was using and where they could find it!:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
Let me disagree - if you know the right hacks/ shortcuts, Opera Mini is by far the easiest to use. Particularly now with the bookmark sync features between your mobile device(s) and desktop browser(s) - it REALLY rules!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ZzFDKzZ:
I use PIEPlus
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] redsrule2500:
opera mini by far
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbritten:
agreed, I don't use anything other than opera mini anymore, it's the closest to a a real desktop browsing experience
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Shadowdh:
But which version of opera mini... there is the advanced int one and the basic int... I am guessing for the kaiser it is probably the advanced... (said in a small voice hopefully)... boy there is just soo much to learn....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mean-machine:
I'm using all browsers depending on the site I'm visiting. Netfront is pretty similar in operation/possibilities to Opera Mobile. Both can open some sites PIE cannot. On my PC I mainly use Firefox, but Minimo is a major letdown, however we need to remember that it's only release 0.2 not 8.65! There was, however, one feature I liked. Namely, possibility of remembering passwords. I know that when you loose your phone it's not good anymore, but still it's more comfortable when you visit lots of sites requiring logging.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] 4Site:
Mines a mixed bag

I dunno why but personally I like using Picsel for day to day use. It's just so fast and the zoom capabilities and rendering is awesome. However it doesnt support much in the way of technology nothing complex in javascript, or anything else besides. But overall it just feels so smooth compared to anything else. In a few upgrades it will outshine anything else even Opera Mini (which i find tedious, dont like the way it works as a java applet instead of a native application and its zooming and rendering pales in comparision to Picsel)

If i've got forms to fill in or the site is a bit complex I use Opera Pocket which has it all in terms of technology, but is soo slow at rendering and it has a massive memory footprint.

I only use PIE for accessing the main youtube site, (anyway to get the plugins to work for opera), the browser out of the box really has fallen behind the times.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sdlopez83:
Esmeric JBED... Opera Mini 4.0!!!! Best hands down
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] smuook:
Opera mini for general surfing... amazingly fast, easy to use, and looks and feels like the www. The only drawback is the startpage imo.

Opera mobile is a more robust browser and can handle ssl, certificates and such better. You can copy text and save pictures... plus I like the dowload manager better.

I don't touch PIE or mozilla.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] 246810:
*Opera mini negatives*

You can’t copy and past into the browser of opera mini- well on my device you can’t. For example, if you have a url stored on a word document, and you want to open it on opera mini, you can’t simply copy and past the url into opera mini’s browser. You have to use your stylus or finger and painfully type in the long url . No such problems occurs with windows explorer, a simple copy and paste does the job.

*mozilla negatives*

The screen seems far to packed with little signs and bright colours. Moreover, I find it to be pretty slow and often takes quite a while for the application to start up

*Explorer negatives*

Can only run one screen. This causes me to have to use Opera mini and explorer simultaneously when I need to be browsing two websites at one time.

Best browser (s) to use, both IE and Opera Mini when used together.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] centella:
opera mini
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] GaRudra:
that's not true you can use your stylus en keyboard!

just push crtl+v
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sane:
False information... PIE can run multiple windows at the same time. Pocket Plus 4 has this plugin to enable this feature. Im sure there are other ways for doing it also, if your not using Pocket Plus...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] 246810:
I never knew this. Can you provide a link?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sane:
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/pocketplus/?en

Pocket Plus 4 is not freeware...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] 246810:
Dam! And I thought the best things in life are free
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sane:
Like i said before, I wouldnt be supriced if there was a free option for this also.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jebus Chrit:
Is opera mini as fast as it gets for mobile browsers? It doesnt seem fast enough. Im looking for something at desktop speeds but I guess that wont be possible for a couple of years.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sane:
Opera Mini is fast, I use that and PIE.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bapssystupr3m3:
do anyone have the install file for opera mini?? i got it on the site and it didnt install properly..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jebus Chrit:
But is it the fastest? Sometimes while using it I feel like I'm using dial up. Then what shocked me was an iPhone on edge was able to load a page almost as fast as me. I thought 3g was supposed to make edge look like garbage.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] London luke:
I had 5 hours with a iphone last night (O2) and i was shocked at the download speed!! its as fast or faster than Opera 3 or IE. If that sucker had GPS i would have one tomorrow. The call speech quality was in a different league
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sane:
Opera Mini 4 loads pages instantly in my experience. I would say it works about as good as Mozilla on my pc.

I receive 3G/H speeds about all the time from my operator in Helsinki.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jebus Chrit:
It doesnt load pages for me instantly, it takes about 7-11 seconds where as my firefox browser on my computer takes less than 2 seconds. I am picking up 3g but it doesnt seem to be doing much.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sane:
Pages normally load in 1-2 sec in Opera Mini for me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] forcedalias:
There's also another browser that's about to make its way to WM6 which looks promising:

Skyfire

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/28/skyfire-browser-for-windows-mobile-is-game-changing-does-flash/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] 246810:
I've tried doing this on opera mini and it doesn't work. It does work however on opera mobile.

What are you doing which is different from what I'm doing to achieve this?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] snooginsguy:
I'm using Netfront, and I like it better than Opera mini. Never could get Picsel Browser to work. netfront does tabs, and it has a nice thumb-wheel selector for your favorites, which is just fun to make spin around the screen.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bapssystupr3m3:
anyone have the cab for opera mini?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DANKY:
Yeah that's what Kanye said too.

BTW Hands down Opera Mini FTW
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] 246810:
Lol. But you can copy and paste in opera mobile but not opera mini?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fubofo:
Just to let you know, this bug also works for my Artemis. Beforehand scrolling while pages were loading was a big no-no but now its great. Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cp_kirkley:
Only thing that bugged me about Opera Mini is that it opens PIE in order to download files. Which would still be better than Picsel (which doesnt download at all :D) but I go with picsel because the zoom in or out too my liking, much more than mini.

If the new opera is anything like mini I'll switch back in a heartbeat though.:cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
He may have meant text input fields. Then, with ALL MIDlet managers (except TAO), you can both copy and paste.

Of course, you can't copy any in-page text.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
Please DO follow my articles - I've explained this all. See http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde...he FREE(!) Web browser you MUST give a try to
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ko0ky:
Opera MINI by far!

Put my vote in as Opera Mini. I love this browser on my windows mobile device. I really love the zoom feature on the opera mini, and my personal opinion is it blows away opera mobile and PIE.

Before posting this message, I installed Minimo on my tilt and it's rather disappointing to say the lease. It's made my whole pda sluggish and it's really annonying that even if your keyboard is slid out, it will always bring up the on screen keyboard for any type of entry. Although it looks like it's rendering the page formats OK, it's very slow to scroll. It has some promising features like a password manager and few other perks, but I think it's still too early to be considered in this runup.

just my thoughts on the subject.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Cavey.co.uk:
When I went to Japan 18 Months ago, I had Opera Mobile (8.5?) on my Wizard. This wasn't perfect, but it helped me keep in contact with people back home over WiFi.

Roll on my Hermes. Installed the 3 month trial/beta (license for Opera couldn't be ported) and Minimo 0.2, but I hardly used either them or PIE so I removed both. Got a copy of Opera Mini and when I was stuck and needed information, it made the web more than adequatly browsable.

After my Hermes had an accident I got a stellar and I have no intention of installing Minimo. I *might* install Opera Mobile and if it works buy it, but only if I really start to use the web from my phone.

On all of these I thought PIE was fairly crap and have never used NetFront and, looking at its site, it doesn't seem to have anything on Minimo, let alone Opera.

So, until my browsing habits change, I shall be sticking with Opera Mini.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] thejipster:
Anyway to get links from email apps to launch it on Opera Mini?

I tested Opera Mini and by far is the easiest and fastest to navigate compared to IE and Picsel Browser. Picsel zoom and scroll features take a little getting used to, and I find it annoying to zoom in and out using click and drag. Mini's touch interface is superior in my opinion. I can navigate any page with ease.

On that note,

Does anyone know how to configure your WM6.1 device (Tilt) to launch Opera Mini whenever I click on a link from an email for example, instead of IE, which is the default browser?

thanks

-------

just read the "bible" and it said you cannot launch OM directly from email links. That is a bummer.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Girvo:
I use the Picsel Browser. Its pretty damn good imo :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lextalionis:
DEepFish

Did anyone here get a chance to try Deep Fish?

http://labs.live.com/deepfish/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hrlyrdr247:
Theres a new browser called Skyfire

http://www.skyfire.com/

Its still a beta and haven't had a chance to use it but it looks pretty good.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] japher:
This thread has caused me to give Opera Mini a try, and I have to say is really cool! Anyone who has stuck to PIE/Opera Mobile in the past should give it a go. For normal browsing (cinema times, news, etc) its fantastic. This is the way mobile browsing should be.

Of course, I'll keep Opera Mobile for https (and any other more complex browsing that can't be done in Mini).

Until Skyfire comes along and kicks everyones arse, it's Opera Mini ftw!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
Exactly this is why I didn't understand why the Strategy Analytics Inc. folks ignored Opera mini entirely and ranked Internet Explorer FAR better than Opera Mobile... - see my remarks at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=362160
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
Don't bother - see my latest, related news collection: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=364567
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
Sorry, I haven't had the time to update ALL my previous Bibles (there're tons of them - just think of how much time I'd need to update all of them whenever a new, say, hack is implemented / new version is released) to reflect the latest changes. You'll need to check out http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=347689 . Start at the END of the thread and read in the opposite direction because the latest enhancements aren't reflected in the thread starter post.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] trjons:
My Opera Mobile automatically opens email links instead of letting PIE open them.

I never remember setting it up this way. Is this a registry setting? What if you want to switch back?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jdmspecdc5:
has anyone else had a problem downloading opera on their phones? the midlet manager opens and looks like it'll download but gives an error that the url is not found.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wormdevil:
Hey thanks for that Kaiser/Tilt (I have an AT&T Tilt branded Kaiser) IE Slow Scroll Cab fix. Brilliant!

This issue was driving me nuts!!! Only today on my second attempt at researching this issue did I find this post.

Thanks!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
There is an option in Settings to unregister this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] stolli:
can anybody link me to picsel for the kaiser? i was using it for my Wizard but cant remember what i did with the file...

thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dardar2:
Opera mini is great... on my sony ericsson K810i.

But for polaris or kaiser, Netfront 3.5 technical preview is awesome.

The rendering is perfect and it is as fast or faster than opera mini. It is like desktop browsing. Please install and see by yourself. The 3.5 technical preview is valid till 31 march I think.

I have tried picsel browser, minimo and opera mobile (9.5 beta) but my choise is for sure netfront 3.5

dara
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dungbeetle:
I couldn't figure out why everyone was so gung ho about opera mini, til I realized I was using mini v.3, not v.4. Holy cow, big difference!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MACkjam:
I have used and tried the following:

1. Opera Mini v3.1.7203 advanced

2. Opera Mobile v8.6

3. Minimo

4. Netfront v3.5

5. PIE

I dislike Opera Mini because you have to go into Java, and it's not that great for me. Yes, it is fast but useless for my needs.

PIE is usable but not great.

Opera 8.6 is very good, handles downloads well and I like the tabs. This is my second choice for a ppc browser.

Minimo is crapola...it is actually unusable it is so slow. I use Firefox on my laptop and it's great, but minimo sux like electrolux.

NETFRONT is the way to go for mobiles!!! You get VGA resolution up to 1024x860 I think and it has smart scroll which is as smooth as silk. It is also much faster than any of the other browsers above. I have only started using this and I haven't tried downloading anything yet. It also has tabs and lots of user-defined settings for display etc. Very fast and the closest to a pc browsing experience IMHO.

I will keep you posted as to my experience with Netfront v3.5.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dardar2:
I wasn't aware of a picsel browser for kaiser. The one I tried was for samsung
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] redsrule2500:
I just keep Opera Mini 4 open in the background all the time, and hit my shortcut button to be instantly taken to the web. Works fantastic, no loading java crap! Also, upgrade to 4....insanely better!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NinJak101:
can you point me in the right direction for the link for opera mini 4 for the tilt i did not see it on there web page

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bapssystupr3m3:
i'm currently using IE 6.1, opera mobile and netfront...i'd say opera and netfront are good in terms of scrolling around
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] phatphat:
Opera Mini seems like it has a good interface (thanks for the recommendations all), but how do you get it to stop the warning messages about starting a data call etc.?

Also, with IEM I open flash video, via TCMP + Flashbundle suggested here on XDA (treocentral link on the Youtube thread), but I can't seem to get any flash media working with opera.

Any ideas?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DJ_Bizarro:
that warning message is easily the most annoying thing ever.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] grandpareza:
When I had the Touch (Elf) it gave me the option to never ask persmission again for internet access. It was Opera 4. So I wonder if there is any tweaking that can be done to the applet (or whatever) to disable that "feature". Even though its not really a feature...more like an annoyance.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] swiftgs:
Re

I use mainly 3 different browsers....

1. Opera mini (because it's so damned fast)

2. Piscel browser (runs flawless on my tytn! and has a very nice interface)

3. PIE (for other things, for some strange reason after my tytn came back from repair i don't suffer from any slow scroll lag at all!

cheers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shadowlabs9:
Hi,

My vote goes to Netfront 3.5, fast, no scroll probles and stable (no bugs untill now)...

Cheers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DJ_Bizarro:
ive been using opera mini for not even a day. like i said the ask permission thing is annoying but i also cannot paste urls, i dont like having to see a different screen to enter text and after about 10 minutes of use it freezes and since i installed the app (today) my internet connection seems to work sparingly, after a complete restore to factory settings and resyncing all my data it works fine for now... i dont like opera for desktop so i dont know why i thought it would be different on my phone, oh well live and learn
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] aaronsmckee:
the fixed versions of opera mobile 9.405 are by far the best browsers available for any winmob phone including the kaiser. Chainfire has a fixed qvga cab posted in a thread (originated at ppcgeeks).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Cavey.co.uk:
Ok, I tried NetFront 3.5 and yes it's smooth, but I am still favouring Opera Mini 4 (which I now have set up to launch from a shortcut) and am looking forward to Opera Mobile 9.5.

Now new versions of Minimo either :(

Opera 9.4xx thread here
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] A.B.C.:
I've been using Skyfire for the past few weeks on my Tilt, and so far I'm really loving it. Before when I had my 8125 I used Opera Mini and i liked it as well. Minimo was terrible in my opinion, I used it on my 8125 before Opera Mini because I'm a firefox fan and it kept crashing on me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TiltedAz:
Opera mini is quick, but clunky at startup and when entering text. Also not secure. I want quick, nimble, integrated, and secure. Maybe skyfire will solve it.

I've tried NetFront, so far it seems a tad slow, but I like the page area zoom window and iconic bookmarks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] GLO:
OK, im reviving this thread for updated 2009 comments.

And whilst im at it, what tabbed browser are you using?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] andylong42:
I keep trying to "like" Skyfire, but find myself using Opera Mini still for the majority of the time. Skyfire is nice on flash websites etc, but the speed and simplicity of Opera Mini makes it my browser of choice. I like Opera Mobile, but after spending about 20mins trying to get it to accept my Facebook username and password I gave up!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tdusen:
I really like IRIS. Too bad they've stopped development for WinMo Devices since Rim bought them.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MLonon:
But where is it now?

Anyone know where I can grab Iris now? Seems like all the download links have been disabled....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] stylez:
Try this was only found via digin so hope correct http://rs136.rapidshare.com/files/253601439/iris-browser-1.1.9.cab