yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] catch-22:
Well said Beasty! Thanks for uplifting 'downed' spirits!

Not only Mamaich, we also have The Darkforces Team just in case people had forgotten that most of the new ROM builds floating around came from them, remember the leaked ROM a few months back?

I think our Uni has some juice left even for WM6.1 & the latest enhancements available for her younger VGA sister Athena! The 128Mb RAM hack by Mamaich will prove it's worth in the long run.

As always, a new Uni era will arrive to replace the last one!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] Midget_1990:
I still have a uni, soon to have 128mb of RAM and curently running WM 6.1.1 :)

however my main device is now a nike so my roms/posts wil be less frequent
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] teixeirabmb:
WOW!! An Universal with 6.1.1 and 128Mb...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] TehPenguin:
Guess I was being a bit gloomy because I haven't updated my ROM in a few months, and I heard a few of the developers were getting new devices.

So, I'm downloading ranju's new ROM, and I'll see how that goes...

Thats a good point.

If a lot of HTC's software doesn't work well with VGA devices, why would HTC release a WVGA device?? Guess that kinda makes the Omni look *very* doubtful...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] mo3ulla:
how many trial period remain ????? :D ( who in theme will understand what i mean)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] catch-22:
Forgive me if I unintentionally overlooked you Sir as one of the ROM builders!

There it goes fellow Uni owners, our own mod itself has WM6.1.1 ROM confirmed running in Uni. I'm curious when it's going to be made "public" :D :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] DaVince:
My girlfriend's the one using my Uni now, and believe it or not, she's using a WM5 ROM... you know why? Because we need video call.

Ever since last year, I've been very active here in the Universal thread, always hoping for a WM6 for Uni that fully supports video call... alas.. that day never came. Although there have been other improvements for the Uni.. but none of them really concerns me. I've already had a TyTN and now a Nike.. looks like my girlfriends Uni is going to get replaced with a Nike too (since this device is just too damn sexy :D). The only thing I missed would be the VGA screen (although the great features of Opera Mini, full TouchFlo support, and almost complete apps compatibility for QVGA made me miss the VGA a lot less since VGA always gives me problems with app compatibility).

We have to face it. The Universal is still being used and modded until today (much like the PlayStation2), but it's era has already ended.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] beast0898:
Hey Davince,

Long time since we've seen you around my friend......

I have to disagree with you my friend, as far as Business productivity tool, nothing on the market has come close to the Universal......... it is the only device with a decent sized screen for writing emails and working with documents and no other device has a keyboard as comprehensive or useable as the Uni's.

The Universal era has not ended, with the introduction of Mamaich's great patch to support 128 mb memory and SDHC cards, you will find it impossible to find another PDA on the market that matches for speed, functionality and storage capacity. The Kaiser and other devices that use mini SD's can only support 16GB cards........the Uni beats that too.

The Uni has been reborn, and is far from dead my friend!!

Cheers,

Beasty
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] Midget_1990:
no trial period :p Ive got the real thing :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] jrronimo:
When are you going to release for us a ROM, then??? :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] dreamtheater39:
hey midget!!

Gawddd, do I envy you or what???!!?!! :)

When would it be made public? Approximately? :D

Could you atleast tell us what's new and what to expect in 6.1???

Thanks and cheers!

San
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] lukeap69:
my uni is dancing in excitement.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] beast0898:
hi all,

6.1 Can not be released at the moment.

Cheers,

Beasty
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] Midget_1990:
Indeed, just letting everyone know there is hope for the uni :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] DJ Palmis:
Oh.. We can have 6.1!!

WOW.....

So: in WM6 we have no videocall.

But, DON'T CARE: NOBODY use videocall...!

Nobody WHO??.. I don't know.

Let's make a pool:

What we will loose upgrading to WM6.1:

You can upgrade but there are NO:

A) SCREEN DRIVER..

Well.. DON'T CARE..

B) PHONE..

Well.. DON'T CARE..

C) SMS

Well.. DON'T CARE..

D) KEYBOARD DRIVER

Well.. DON'T CARE!

For those who cares (like me)...

Simply use the good WM5(like me)..

Because.. I USE WHAT I BUY....................................!!!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] Midget_1990:
ok....

been taking you're happy pills recently? ;)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] DJ Palmis:
You reason..

Sorry.

But it's very sad to see Universal upgrading forum with only one or two ROM..

And what is the reason?

"I don't use this, i don't use that.."

There are people who make ROM for those who weld their Universal (128 MB.. WOW..) BUT the same people don't care about a chip that is already on Motherboard!!!!

That's incredible!

Poor Qualcomm MSM6250.

It's already inside.. But nobody cares about it..

Life is so unfair...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] Midget_1990:
NEWSFLASH! People dont buy a device because they NEED every feature it offers (if you do then you are lucky) most people only need or want SOME of the features. Personally I brought the device for the VGA screen, Bluetooth, Hardware keyboard and Wifi. All of which function perfectly on WM6. Luckily the only major bug in wm6 is the lack of video call drivers, i say luckily because I'm willing to bet that this is the least NEEDED feature of the Universal for the majority of people (note NEED not WANT).

Sorry for not fixing something i never have and never will use. Video calling, to me is useless and also way too expensive, this seemed to me a fairly good reason why i shouldn't use up what little time I have free at the moment on implimenting it.

If you want to use video call DIY or use WM5, its up to you. However please stop spamming the WM6 threads with 'WM5 is great' style posts they dont help anyone or achieve anything.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] unapproachable2kx:
Since there are always less developers addicted to Uni maybe someone can redirect me to pages,docs,hints where I can learn how to port a Rom from a device to another?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] Midget_1990:
i dont think there are written docs, everything ive learnt was passed down from people who know more than me (thanks guys)

if people want more cooks i may look into teaching someone, but after my exams and I will choose who they are :P
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] mo3ulla:
qustions like

1. difference between file and module

2. how module goes to ram from phisical storage

3. what is virtual base adress

4. eip (execute in place ) modules ....

5. modules sections

6. windows mobile boot structure

+2 random

if pass i may share some knowledge
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] Toroman:
Hi everybody,

I have not been around for a long time, and visited the forum today to see if anything new is happening with the WM6 support.... I ran into this thread, and just have to make a comment to this.

You guys have done some wonderfull work done making the WM6 available at all on the Uni as some people made Linux support also. The pitty is that it doesn't work perfectily even today, even after so much time...

I can understand that the developers will develop and put their effort in implementing the features that THEY think are needed and usefull, and it's ok with me, but please don't measure other people's needs according to your expiriene You are right that people don't use videocall,for instance,very often, but for sure there are people using it, and at least people that would like to know that they CAN use it if they want to (even to show his fancy 3G device to some nice looking girls :D). BTW video call is not more expensive everywhere, for instace, with my operator it cost me the same as regular call.

I beleive that more people ever used the videocall then upgradedtheir Ui to 128 MB.... but the support is there...

Don't get me wrong, I strongly support the developers efforts, and I'n not blaming or accusing anybody, they did lot's of great work... just don't justify lack of some features by the "fact" that it is not important for everybody out there.

The reason something is not working or working bad is in the fact it was never intendened to work (WM6 on a WM5 device). So every step forward is pure extra ! To be honest, there is still a ton of things in today's WM6 ROMs that are not running perfectly, it's not just videocall... But, if it works, ok, if not, ok... One can always buy some of the new WM6 devices and have it all :cool:

Best regards to all of you !
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] shlomki:
actually i've had about the same questions pretty much =]

we sure could use that knowledge.

pretty please with sugar on top, teach us! :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] mo3ulla:
main q is - i dont need students .. i need someone who can assist in development with wise advice or something like .. tech someone from zero is not good .... 90% who trys to cook .... broke total teach ... becose module structure full of hard to undersatandable things ... without know about that your works will be full of bugs ... becose utilities are good ... but sometimes they will give errors (especially XIPPORT sometimes critical errors in physical map) and you need to know how do it manually if want to cook something without bugs you need to be ready to do all things manually.. most of tryers not ready for this
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] dreamtheater39:
Hey! Thanks a bunch for the great news m8! Feels like i've got second wind :)

Agaiin, could you atleast give us some info as to what new stuff it has in it??? :)

Thanks for your time, take care,

San
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] unapproachable2kx:
Actually I don't mind to pretend a full help assistance in Rom developing,err.. Rom Porting.

I will try to learn on my way,

I found Buzzdev.net site talking about RomMaster for WM5 Xip,is this valid to WM6 too?

and another about Rom porting by Utak3r but unfortunately in Polish,

maybe someone can help him to translate in English?

BuzzDev.net http://buzzdev.net/read.php?64,31296

Utak3er http://mobione.pl/index.php?page=porting_ROM
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] casouzaj:
I find myself quite reliefed that Midget's Uni is running WM6.1, because I feel that someday my beloved Exec will also run it.

I mean, I'll, most probably, enjoy it for many months (if not years :D) to come.

Cheers!

Carlos
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] King of Rapture™:
Dear Master Midget_1990,

Interesting! I have couple of questions though:

1. Will the WM 6.1.1 have support for 128mb of RAM?

2. And, are we going to see official Universals sold with 128mb RAM?

Thanks,

KOR! :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] mo3ulla:
1. why not ? memory detection not depends on build

2. offical unis with 128 mb :D :rofl: ... universal discontinued ..... and production shutdown ..
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] tomal:
HTC has no further plan for Uni, meaning that you wont see it next even with 64 MB...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] DaVince:
Hi there beast! Glad to see you're still with the Uni.. nice to see one of our finest ROM cookers still working with us.

I have to completely agree with you on this one. Nothing and I mean NOTHING beats the Uni's fast hi-res screen and well laid out keyboard.

Not even the Athena/Advantage since it's screen suffers the same issues of all the new devices of HTC (starting from TyTN, Kaiser, Touch Series, etc.) which is the screen tap CPU hog. For those who doesn't know, all the new devices of HTC suffers this issue, which, whenever you tap the screen, gwes.exe uses 40-60% of the CPU which severely slows dows any stylus heavy applications (esp games).

And the new ROMS that you guys have been releasing have been unbelievably feature packed.. so yeah.. maybe.. the Uni is still doing good.

Except that mystery of gettting video call to work.. but yeah, like midget said, it's the least important feature.. I only use it like 3-5 times a week... but it's something that you just can't live without once you get used to it. And it's the same price as for regular voice call, so why use voice call if you both have a 3G signal?! But that's just me.

I'm currenty in love with my Nike right now, but if we get a Uni with a working video call (and a working TouchFlo).. I might start falling in-love wih my Uni again. :D
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] teixeirabmb:
We can make video call with WM6, we just can't receive it.

You have a cab here for eg.:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=342039

Uni don't have the cube, but it has a perfectly working clone (uses flash). Here is the topic:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=336234&highlight=HTC+Cube+Clone
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] DaVince:
Oh yeah, was that was Leo and Beast's implementation from way back..? They were able to get VC working partially. If only someone was able to perfect it.

And btw, TouchFlo is not just about the Cube.. In fact, I'm not really a fan of the Cube. What I really liked was the flick and scroll capabilities. Although an almost similar implementaion was already achieved via efrosts FTouchFlo. But there are still things that you can only do with the original TouchFlo (eg. changing from SMS to Email via swiping left to right and vice versa, viewing the next/prev message by sweeping horizontally, full Audio Manager support etc.)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] teixeirabmb:
Yeah, I believe it's a cab made from beastyleo's ROM... We all wish a fully operational VC but until now, no one achieved that :(

So using an Uni we just miss a few TouchFlo functions :P :)

I just can't adapt to QVGA PDAs (specially using opera), because I really use it as a laptop and athena is just too bulky.

So, Universal still isn't dead for me ;)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] PsiDOC:
I wonder why I bother? Have been building WM5 roms for about 3 months and whilst it's one hell of a learning curve I think I am getting there with most of it - thanks to Midget_1990 and Beasty for your assistance when I got really stuck. I owe you both a beer or 2.

I have also built WM6 roms for personal educational purposes and for cross referencing with WM5 but never released them as it seemed everyone was releasing WM6 roms so there was more then enough choice for all.

There were times when I have been so frustrated with the whole thing I felt like chucking it all out and digging out my old Nokia E61, but no I stuck with it, developed the roms and released them - all be it minor releases.

On average it has taken me 25 development builds per releasable rom that I am prepared to put my name to. That's a hell lot of time and effort on my part and may I add the users of the roms I have made seem happy with very little complaints.

Add to this all the time spent helping people out via PM that have bad flashed, CID errored out and even in one case a complete strip down of the uni to remove a rattling noise. All the above have been done happily as I like to help out in any way I can.

Then a vote of no confidence like this comes out, which simply says all is doomed because some of the devs are leaving and in the opinion of others, us lot that are learing the trade are not worth it!

So is it time to get me a kaiser, leave the allegedly sinking ship that is the universal and start developing for that as it's an up to the minute phone? Or should I keep with my UNI and just dev for myself as I am obviously, according to the 1st post, not up to the job of public releases.

Assuring you of my best attention at all times.

Yours feeling just a little bit kicked in the teeth.

PsiDOC
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] ultravox:
No doubt that the thread caused some action in the Universal forum.

It's a pity that some developers are moving on, but that's quite normal, it's the way of life.

I'm afraid that some users are (in my opinion) missing the point:

- Cooking, customizing it's not the difficult part, like National soccer league

- To port a ROM to the Universal, that's another championship... Like Champions league; very few participants and not all can get to the final draws.

I've been trying for long, when I get the time for it, to learn. Yes, experience users have been quite great teachers ( JW,Leo,Beasty,Thingonaspring,Ranju, Midget and all users that I've PM), but to get a place in champions league it's very hard.

Again, so go away, but new will come, Universal is still a great device, with no substitute for the time being.

The join effort of all will keep new ROMs coming up.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] DaVince:
PsiDOC, TehPenguin didn't really mean it that way. It's just that the devs he was referring to were making the new builds or they're getting their new ROM builds from some first hand source.

Newer builds = New compiled core OS files/dlls.

All we can do is add OEM's or modify registry entries on the builds they provide using kitchens.

If those devs lose interest in our Unis, that means no more new builds. And we got stuck with just modifying the same ROM build forever.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] mbirth:
Looks like the i-mate 7150 comes at the right time. This might become my Universal successor.

http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_ultimate_7150-1882.php

Cheers,

-mARKUS
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] hbahaie:
It is a hoax, it was announced since start of 2007 and not released till now, also, it was removed from clubimate.com from a while. The new announcement now is the kaiser competetor ultimate 9502 http://www.imate.com/product.aspx?product=ultimate9502

THERE IS NO Uni SUBSTITUTE TILL NOW.

Please Midget_1990, release the wm 6.1 to revive the Uni ASAP, or I think the main killer for Uni is the current development stagnation stutaus that we live now. Many are converting now to less features devices, and if wm 6.1 release is delayed more and more, there will be a little develpers and users here to celebrate its release.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] dreamtheater39:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7031.html
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] PsiDOC:
Which is what I have done with WM5 hence the 25 odd builds per release. Any muppet with half a brain can chuck a bucketload of crap into a rom, however if you actually tried my builds you may be plesently surprised to see what works that didn't before.

Although most people wouldn't be able to tell what's under the bonnet apart from the version number and hexediting the version number has never been something I have favoured. What should I do? Make my own version numbers up to shout it out?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] hbahaie:
Your work is amazing, really I respect it too much, but what I prefer in wm6 and makes me stuck to it is not present in wm5 and I think it will never be by any means. It is the new dialer that link the phone dialer screen to the contacts directly, and in addition to the very beutiful feature, the ability to use the external keyboard numbers and letters to call even directly from the today screen. This is the main features I like in wm6. If those features is available in wm5, surely I will convert to it.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] DaVince:
Sorry, I didn't mean any disrespect. Maybe it's just that there aren't too many WM5 fans right now and new WM5 builds are not getting much interest. Most people prefer new WM6 builds... that are hopefully not just builds with revised/hexed build versions. I'm sure our respected WM6 ROM cookers wouldn't do such a thing just to arouse excitement.

I am actually one of the few people left using WM5 for the Uni. And since I haven't used my Uni for a long time, I never checked the Universal upgrading section and didn't know that you made an AKU3.3 WM5 ROM. I have now flashed your ROM on my girlfriend's Uni, finally I found something better than Helmi's. For that I thank you.

Again.. no offense, your WM5 ROM is awesome.. but the point is: WM6 versions will keep people's interest on the Uni. WM5 won't.

No new WM6 builds = Uni's End of Era.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] teixeirabmb:
That's a fact, but Universal ROMs builts are that old?

I believe Universal will have development for a long time and I'm not that worried for some dev swapping to other devices. This already append before and their leaving, also gave room to appear new developers.

See Blue Angels example. It's quite old, and besides it's multimedia limitations it still is a fine device. This equipment still have some good developers and recent WM6 builts. We should worry that much about Uni development. Presently, it still is one of the best PDAs ;)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] catch-22:
He he he, the Himalaya is even older than the Blue Angel & it's still running with a WM6 ROM!

I thought that Midget_1990 already mentioned that he's already running WM6.1.1, doesn't it instead signal a New Era for the HTC Universal?

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that the WM6.1.1 hasn't even been ported yet to other devices in the forum! (Unless it's up for release on HTC Athena where Midget_1990 is also active!)

My point is: as along as the Uni have ROM porters or ROM builders there will always be ROM cooks, ROM customizers or ROM enhancers or we ourselves learning to cook based on these new ROM builds. Of course, as long as the Uni hardware permits flashing these new ROM builds, the Uni Era continues ...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] mamaich:
WM 6.1.1 is unstable (device hangs on incoming call for example). I'm running WM 6.1 build 19400 for 3 weeks, runs perfect. Only issue - MMS cannot be received (have to take a newer client from some other VGA ROM).

Finally I have some free time to play with uni, so wait a week for a new ROM to appear.

I personally would continue playing with uni until HTC Raphael would appear. From what I've heard it would be a VGA device with kaiser-like keyboard and GPS/3G/WiFi/TV Out/USB Host and 3D accelerator. Hopefully dumb HTC programmers would not spoil a good idea.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] DaVince:
Now that's one hell of a device :eek:

It's like a dream come true.. A hybrid of XDA Flame and Kaiser. :D
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] willy792003:
thanks mamaich. you are uni's saviour. sdhc driver, 128mb rom, etc. hope that u also can solve one of wm6 biggest puzzle in uni, video call. thank you for all your work!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] catch-22:
Thank you Sir Mamaich for the info & the "confirmation" that the Uni Era is not ended yet!!! . So it's going to be WM6.1 as the next ROM for our Uni's.

Hmmm, so we still have the guru's with Uni's. I miss the other guru's as well, mwang, buzz, helmi_c, etc. .... wonder what devices they have now? Probably still a Uni with a newer device as the main PDA ! ;)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] teixeirabmb:
This is wonderful news!

This is wonderful, fantastic, marvelous, amazing news!!

With this features HTC Raphael would be a real substitute to Universal, if it had, of course, at least 128mb RAM and ROM and "pocket" dimensions and weight (not as bulky as athena).
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] maxstegi:
I have three questions to the WM 6.1 users:

Why aren't you releasing the new build?

Where did you get it?

When will you release it?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] catch-22:
..... no wonder developers are migrating away from Uni!? :p