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[Touch Cruise General] rhov23:
isnt the dual msm7500?
[Touch Cruise General] Frepke:
Touch Dual

No, it has an Qualcomm® MSM7200™, 400MHz.

Look here: http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=316

kr.,

Frepke
[Touch Cruise General] pistonripper:
When I did the exact same test on my Orbit 2, I get the same speed as the Touch Dual ( I feel for the Kaiser guys) and thats with 7 applications minimized.

I'm running the original HTC shipped ROM, with no tweaking what so ever...no increased glyph setting, filter cache diabled, system cache size auto.

I've also run bepe's 0.67 ..although fast boot, found it slowed down after a few days so stuck to the HTC ROM as opposed to the original O2 ROM.
[Touch Cruise General] lionel1:
I complain of this issue also!!!!

Hi guys,

I been a HTC tytn user for the last two years.

Two weeks ago I updated my O2 contract and bought an Orbit 2.

I have sent an email to HTC today concerning this issue also. :(

I am not sure if they will do anything.

Maybe we will have to wait for the very experienced users around this forum to provide us with a hacked video drivers from some newer device. :)
[Touch Cruise General] schaggo:
The video is deceiving, the difference is much less obvious in the video than in reality.

My Polaris is somewhere between the Pharos and the Touch Dual. The Pharos, being 'slow' still showed empty spaces during the scrolling and loaded the icons after a split second, so does my Polaris. The Kaiser in the video did the same as the Pharos, but it took considerably longer to fill the empty spaces up with icons. Whereas the Touch Dual (I tested two units that day, they were the same performance, one in a Sunrise shop, one in an orange shop, the vid is from orange because they featured all 3 devices in a row) had no delay at all, icons got scrolled into the picture and didnt have to build up first, they were all just there and it was absolutely instant to move the scrollbars up and down. My Polaris isnt that fast on bepes .67, it's faster than the Pharos and the Kaiser shown in the vid, but no match to the Touch Dual which seriously was operable with no delay at all. I still get a slight delay when moving the scrollbars up and down like crazy ;)
[Touch Cruise General] pistonripper:
I think I must be clutching at straws...If only HTC delivered...more so qualcomm ...because this chip is getting popular in WM devices from renowned manufacturers HTC, LG, Toshiba, Sony...somethings got to give.

Message to Qualcomm...you aint got the drivers have you ?
[Touch Cruise General] virbotrix:
Interesting Interview, regarding your post. :D

http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/editorials/qualcomm_htc_chipsets_and_feat.html
[Touch Cruise General] pistonripper:
Reading that, if I was HTC I would either:

1. Get qualcomm to develope the driver to be able come atleast close to the perfomance/capabilities promised initially...If any.

2. Threaten/and carry out never to use qualcomm again..there are better chip manufacturers out there PowerVR / upcoming Nvidia APX 2500 (although I am dubious about this company..they can't even provide good Vista drivers )

3. Not trust Qualcomm to delivery a 100% solution, unless overseen stringently by HTC.

If HTC are genuinly the fall guys in this (considering all thier past devices have performed well) and qualcomm in some sort of trouble (half thier website is taken off) regarding some injunction order) then we can kiss the drivers goodbye.

As far as I can see no manufacturer has the drivers, even the much touted Xperia X1 runs laggy, when you look at the latest videos, I posted a link a while ago.

I for one cannot sympathise with HTC, leaving thier users out in the lurch and not even attempting to come forward with any kind of half rectifiable solution, instead sending out merry go round statement and emails. Our basic rights for drivers are falling on deaf ears.

Look at this thread and many others..were not asking for new features, ONLY DRIVERS !! Althought I think the issue is far deeper as in the fact the that the ARM11 is a badly designed chip.

The Xperia X1 scenario is a funny one..when we viewed the initial videos, with the device running smoothly, no memeber of public was allowed to handle the device, only Sony staff were. Now that the member of public/journalists are allowed to play with it, its laggy..It almost feels like 2 different devices.
[Touch Cruise General] creiz:
So yeah, that's it? HTC were tricked by Qualcomm in buying crippled chipsets from the start, without them knowing what they did buy? If that's the case, then we should target qualcomm, instead of HTC, and even so, if my understanding of that situation is right, and HTC is in the same position as us, I wouldn't mind paying an extra for these drivers, as long as it doesn't cost me an ARM. So basically we're playing "that's his fault not mine" here, eh...
[Touch Cruise General] overfusion:
sorry guys but i don't understand (for my bad english) if there's a FIX to missing driver Quadcomm or not yet.......If yes where can i download?
[Touch Cruise General] swtos:
EEeeeehhh, use the following link

http://www.google.com/cse?cx=000825...ivers&sa=Search&cof=FORID:0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[Touch Cruise General] Straputsky:
Why? I bought the device from HTC. If they have a problem with one of their suppliers that's not my problem. Maybe HTC has received a discount because of the "trouble" - we don't know and I don't care. HTC is responsible for their products. If they were tricked they can make some agreements with Qualcomm but that's up to HTC.

Best solution for HTC: Getting a discount for the chipsets and waiting for WM 6.1. Then advertise the speed advantage of the new WM as the eagerly-awaited speed fix. That's business. :D
[Touch Cruise General] sonus:
I think the scrollbar is a better test then Touch Flo, moving the bar requires faster screen redrawing.

BTW, how does the Touch Cruise (and the others) compare when you scroll the screen using the builtin HTC shortcut to programs? (The one that is linked to in HTC Home's program launcher by default) B/c that program screen has FLAWLESS scrolling.
[Touch Cruise General] schaggo:
To be fair this can barely be called a "test", now can it...? Its more some pathetic try to visualize and meter the performance of a device, geez, ridiculous.

but nonetheless, my Polaris failes, the Kaisers obviously do but this Touch Dual didnt... Yes I tried the test with the HTC Launcher as well, but since this one works on all devices there is no point in trying it. The thing I wanted to try is what actually doesnt seem to work.

I'll retest/refilm the whole thing unsing the scrollbars when I get the chance to get to the airport shop again.
[Touch Cruise General] deechte:
Exactly! You buying a product from HTC defines a legal relationship between you and HTC. Well, technically, you have a relationship with the store you bought it from and they have a relationship with HTC. So the store is the one that should be answering to your complaints. They sold the device to you. It's complicated though...
[Touch Cruise General] creiz:
Yeah, but is WM 6.1 really that faster? I've been using bepe's ROM, and I didn't notice that much of a speed-up on my device. (of course, the tweaks he made helped a lot, tho, and now I can use my device without having to reset it each morning.)
[Touch Cruise General] JAYmasta:
can tell me somebody this driver possible to download or not ? if yes can somebody give me direct link ....
[Touch Cruise General] schaggo:
You don't need to download it, it's already located on your harddrive in your Windows directory. It's quite easy, copy it over to your device and you'll get full acceleration. A tipp: take the Windows Vista DLL and you'll get a working Aero interface adapted for Windows Mobile on your device, isn't that cool? It's called grAccDrv.dll and can be found in C:\Windows\System32\drivers

Have fun!

Edit: I forgot to add, you'll need a 32bit DLL, so if you're on a 64bit OS ask a friend of yours to provide you with the DLL. Windows Mobile is 32bit only...!
[Touch Cruise General] .ForumUser:
lmao lmao lmao
[Touch Cruise General] schaggo:
It's actually not even that funny. But boy, this is like going into a police station around midnight, black leather clothing, black leather gloves, a big bag on the back and a mask over your face: sorry guys, anyone tell me where the next jewelery store is? It's just not funny anymore...
[Touch Cruise General] kolobok01:
is this file will help with proformas on polaris?

And ware do i put it in Polaris?

And i cant find grAccDrv.dll on non of my computers vista or xp. Can some one post it?

Thank for your help.
[Touch Cruise General] schaggo:
Oh

my

god

...

Somebody shoot me please.

There is no damn fecking working driver for the damn overpriced but grossly underperforming recent HTC devices!
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
Einstein said this once... "Two things are infinite, the universe, and human stupidity, but I'm not sure in the first one"
[Touch Cruise General] schaggo:
It's not even stupidity, it's just borderless and endless lazyness!

People come here, see something or not even, and click "Reply" and thats it.
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
Hell, people if people are lazy enough to write whole sentences on forums, then what's a few word in google, and not getting barbecued???

This community stockpiled one of the largest knowledges base related to HTC, and can be searched via google... sometimes I get fed up by the stupidity of some people... use your brains... that"s what it's for....
[Touch Cruise General] hambola:
Yeah some people need to remove the shrink wrap off their brains and start freakin using them, i promise it won't hurt. or maybe just a little at the beginning. maybe i should put a link to the search page in my sig....
[Touch Cruise General] deechte:
I share your grief, I really do. But can we please go back on topic please?
[Touch Cruise General] .ForumUser:
omg! someone pinch me please.
[Touch Cruise General] SuperJMN:
Once upon a time, when we were only children, a friend told me:

"Hey! Maybe we could insert a SEGA Genesis cart into our Super Nintendo! the slots are the same shape and size!"
[Touch Cruise General] Olioaglio:
Erm, could we come BTT please?! Thank you, gentlemen... :cool:

Olioaglio
[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
lol @ this discussion :X
[Touch Cruise General] @lber:
Just my own experience,

I compared some video performance between an AIRIS T620 and a new HTC POLARIS (from french provider SFR). Qualcomm 7200@400MHz VS Samsung SC244x@400MHz

Under Tomtom V6, for simulation and real navigation, the HTC seemed slower than the AIRIS to display map information. In the other hand, trip calculation is faster on the HTC.

Last saturday, I desactivated display of POIs, leaving some alerts (x4). Simulation and navigation are now quite faster than before, and faster than the AIRIS. I'll test video display (bench from TCPMP with some AVIs) and will try to post, as far as I can, a few videos samples.

Sorry for my poor english, it's not my first language.

Edit as 23/04/08: when I activate all POIS on both AIRIS and HTC, Airis is faster. When I disable POIs (leaving a few - 3-4 on the HTC), the HTC is faster.

To be continued...

@lber.
[Touch Cruise General] MrSmith22:
Well if you're going to put stupid answers up in the first place hoping to reel someone in to have a little fun, then expect to get such answers back...
[Touch Cruise General] regis59:
Hi all !

Toshiba will release Portege G810 within 2 weeks. This mobile seems to have Qualcomm MSM7200 too and WM6

Do you thinks we'll have a chance to extract interesting files/drivers out of this new device and use them into our lovely HTC Polaris/Touch Cruise ??
[Touch Cruise General] talal2sweet:
O2 don't have a clue

I Just rang O2 to see if they had in information on driver releases from HTC and apparently thy have no clue of any problems with video drivers and playback issues which suggests no has complained to them. :confused:

So for all you O2 owners of the XDA Orbit 2 and other models, ring up O2 and bug them until they request the driver release from HTC.

Just a thought really, maybe wishful thinking… ;)

but no harm in trying eh?!

:D
[Touch Cruise General] dysoong:
I braved the customer support jungle that is O2 and got this answer back in February:
[Touch Cruise General] virbotrix:
I just rang the Tech-Support from HTC in Germany and first of all, the woman on the line pretended to know nothing about problems with the performance of the TC. :confused: Probably the cleaner took the phone. :D

Some hours later, somebody else at the technical support line told me, that they are aware of the problems with the TC, but that she has no information if there will be a fix/patch in the near future. I didn't dare to ask about drivers.

The only answer was, if there will be any update you'll find it in the e-club.

Every conversation with the support is a disappointment, because all the time it's just, we can't say anything about that or we don't have any information about this.

Greetz
[Touch Cruise General] virbotrix:
Jepp, thats HTC.

All the time something goes wrong, they try to sit it out till the next devices hit the market. No improvement for existing devices just a little fix here or a cab there. But hey, why should they improve anything, you've allready bought the device.

Nobody expects from the TC that you are able to play HD content and that you are able to play games like on a pc, but at least the performance shouldn't be worse than that from former devices.

I don't know what HTC is thinking about their customers, but probably they just say: if the newer device will be great, there is no need for customer support, because they will buy anyway. Sure, HTC has developed a lot of cool devices and rules the market, but i really can't understand their idea of customer friendly support.

Greetz
[Touch Cruise General] bladebosq:
exactly! it should be able to at least play a 320x240 wmv file, without stutter and lag.... but unfortunately we have to "enjoy" crappy 3gp clips at 15 fps!!! WTF! you can't even play .mp4 files in built in media player!!! what a "rich media experience". lucky that CorePlayer does an awesome job, but you have to pay for it. if the developers at htc did a better job optimizing their software we wouldn't have this problem... but thats not lucrative to them (in their opinion), because then nobody will buy their new devices... it's just sad.
[Touch Cruise General] vinzi_76:
Noob here............

Please help me to decide wether to buy the HTC TC or not

I've seen it first hand on a sample unit of the retail shop I went to just a couple of days ago..........

What I did first is saw the graphic interface asap,I saw some lagging in the scroll down of the programs folder, I mean the icons keep on mssing out when I scroll the page up or down.............my question is..............is this very serious........or this is acceptable for a lot of TC users here by now,coz for me it does not bother me too muchas long as the icons dont appear for 5-10 seconds out......u know what i mean............its acceptable for me,dont know about a lot of people here???

Secondly,i tried the wmp in video tab,there are two videos at the time I tried the TC, one is with the stone and sandy video the other one is the flower and the bee,at first try,I watched the first one and its kinda choppy or theres a little bit stuttering with the video playback,but nevertheless still minor fault for me,but when I played the flower&bee video irs as fast as it could be........so what gives???

so what I am trying to ask you guys here,specially TC owners,is it worth it to buy the HTC TC even with this slight video inconsistence witht the device,from day to day use.........can someone here complain that its a total crappy " device"?

does the other things the TC do also as crappy as the ones in the video department?i.e. internet,camera,calling,GPS,etc.etc.?

So if anyone can help me just a little bit to shed some light and insights for me to buy the HTC TC or opt for other PPC........please your advise will sure help me very much

thanks a lot

Vinz
[Touch Cruise General] creiz:
Definitely buy it. then flash bepe's ROM.

Despite the graphic performance sucking massive amounts of ****, this phone is the best I had.

By the way, wrong thread, mate, but meh, it's okay.
[Touch Cruise General] badaas:
different device i know but sounds familiar mwg xda flame
[Touch Cruise General] manaaa:
nvidia learnt from their mistakes, enjoy this:

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=U3leaa38L48 - a hardware accelerated phone
[Touch Cruise General] regis59:
Anyone here thinks this possible ?
[Touch Cruise General] qoka:
since it wasnt possible to port the drivers from the lg ks20, i dont think so...
[Touch Cruise General] Quilapvd:
Maybe interesting: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa447495.aspx.
[Touch Cruise General] bladebosq:
what about upcoming phones htc will release, maybe they'll include the driver...

are people still trying to port the P6500 drivers or didn't that work out either?

ps.: just read on phonenews.com that htc is still going to release an update for their qualcomm based phones:

http://www.phonenews.com/htc-says-update-still-coming-nothing-else-3369/

at this point i don't even care about 3D graphics, but at least better performance, there are a lot of older ppc's that outperform my polaris, which is just ridiculous... also there better be a fix for the camera... but at least something is coming...
[Touch Cruise General] ikeabuchi:
Does the arm9 CPU control memory mapped op ocodes address the graphic subsytem of the MSM7200 (A) or is it controlled by the chipset MSM7500 (A)

The GPU hardware access, The answer I beleive lies in the specific control word written into Bios to access This portion, If we could get a internal Architecture of the chipset I believe i could code this application, when i heard about the 5199 bounty i give it a go!!!!!!
[Touch Cruise General] ikeabuchi:
openbrew.api also seem very interesting !!!!!!
[Touch Cruise General] MSRJ:
Update April 28, 2008: HTC has told PhoneNews that the update is still coming, but denies it will do anything with 2D or 3D graphics (surprise?). What it will do exactly, and how it will be spread (carrier provided or cab) is also still not clear.

http://www.htcclassaction.org/#update_20080428_1
[Touch Cruise General] rev3nant:
Could this have newer drivers?

http://www.htctouchfind.com/htc-touch-find-unboxing/
[Touch Cruise General] Creeep:
dont think so, because it looks like a normal Orbit 2 from O2..

so i think, this one have the same drivers
[Touch Cruise General] rev3nant:
But it's marketed as new device now :confused:
[Touch Cruise General] francescrm:
Nop !

Touch Find is Touch Cruise for mobile operators (movistar, orange .....), at least in Spain.

Rgds,
[Touch Cruise General] phil-smith.tk:
Touch Cruise, Polaris, Orbit 2, Touch Find... all the same phone... just slightly different packaging lol

Or same sh*t, different box... :P
[Touch Cruise General] Quilapvd:
Here is a example of the HTC Cruise without the driver:

It's have an FPS below the 1.. sickness..
[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
i think we all know what it's like WITHOUT the drivers...since we all own this douchebaggery of a device :P HTC diamond premiered today...has vga resolution and manilla (3d touch flo) but has the msm7201A processor...i don't know anything about hardware / firmware / drivers though but logically it would seem incompatible for a port to kaiser/tc/etc.
[Touch Cruise General] JNGold:
According to MSMobiles (take it with a grain of salt), there's going to be an update for the TyTn II (non-carrier) and that's it.

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7334.html
[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
I don't believe it :|
[Touch Cruise General] pistonripper:
Nor do I..I think HTC has moved forward...and left us behind...looking at jittery redraw screens.
[Touch Cruise General] bladebosq:
since they are releasing a rom update for the tytn II maybe someone can port this rom over to the polaris, being that they are very similar devices...
[Touch Cruise General] the_scotsman:
Damn, I just saw this thread...I've had a Blue angel for a few years, and I'm about to consider buying an Orbit 2...but this has really stopped me in ym tracks!

Will this be resolved or just left behind by HTC? I don't want to spend a lot of money on a PDA that will underperform! :eek:
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
We'd like to know it as well...
[Touch Cruise General] PhilXdaOrbit2:
Take a look at this http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7334.html

Oh sorry i have not seen this post...
[Touch Cruise General] JAYmasta:
HTC official response is as follows:

“HTC is committed to delivering a portfolio of devices that offer a wide variety of communication, connectivity and entertainment functionality. HTC does not offer dedicated or optimized multimedia devices and can confirm that its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices do not use ATI’s Image on video acceleration hardware.

HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smartphones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats.

HTC values its customers and the overall online community of mobile device enthusiasts and fans.

HTC plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high-resolution video support.”

this is reply НТС on my e-mail
[Touch Cruise General] JC_Carrillo:
JAYmasta, read this http://www.htcclassaction.org/responses.php

that is a generic response from HTC.
[Touch Cruise General] phil-smith.tk:
TYTN 11 is similar enough to rob the drivers from though surely.. ??
[Touch Cruise General] pistonripper:
Someone should d a trial run and see if the current TYTN II drivers are compatible with the current Polaris ROM..that might answer a few questions here.
[Touch Cruise General] FlaTEriC18041983:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2191992&postcount=509

I find this some kind of promising, hope it will come true, and devs can extract the drivers for TC and TD users as well?!
[Touch Cruise General] sony-vaio:
Is that any news of the Video Driver for Touch Curise?
[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
lol read the post above yours..

htcclassaction.org

IF it comes out, its not going to be released for any device except the non branded kaiser...this is all speculation though imho cause we've heard this song before...wait and see
[Touch Cruise General] alex_bretean:
Any news?

Hello

Any news or rumours, guys? :D
[Touch Cruise General] JAYmasta:
accordingly this somebody make something with driver

I need test and make *.cab
[Touch Cruise General] JAYmasta:
beta first

beta second

with first beta CorePlayer Benchmark 600% on video 320х240

560х304 same105-110%, is before patch
[Touch Cruise General] martinabooker:
Please forgive me if this is old news (I haven't read this entire thread) but...

http://www.htcclassaction.org/#update_20080521_1

Is this the news we've been waiting for??
[Touch Cruise General] FlaTEriC18041983:
I can't get the grin out of my face... one day I don't look onto that page, and the big news are comin' :D that's what I'd call NICE!!!
[Touch Cruise General] the_fish:
so, does that work on touch dual too? AFAIK it has same cpu...

ill get a touch dual in next days and dont want that its laggin badly
[Touch Cruise General] Patrickschneider:
http://rapidshare.com/files/116479458/ATI_Beta2.rar
[Touch Cruise General] oo0:
?

after installation of beta 1 (taiseer camera), not much happened, camera still blurry, video seems at same rate, nothing special at my device.

and after installation of beta 2 (didn't remove beta 1, though) performance seems faster, haven't done any benchmarks, but device responses much faster. camera rate didn't change.