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[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Brunnys:
Hi to all,

I just wanted to make a debate about the real capacity of our phones batteries.

That's because I found an app that allows us to measure the real capacity and I found a quite astonishing result: it seems like my battery has the same behaviour as a 2200mAh ones!

In fact, with all connection active (Bluetooth, Wifi, LTE, synchronization..) I barely reach 3h of SOT daily.

I used 3C toolbox (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ccc71.at.free) using the instructions in this answer (https://android.stackexchange.com/q...ity-of-a-battery-in-mah-received-fake-battery in "How to measure actual capacity using 3C Toolbox").

Also if you can advise different apps and methods to do this, I would be very happy.

Thanks to all!
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Cozzmy13:
The real battery capacity is the advertised one. 3000-3080mAh.

Xiaomi uses lower binned batteries which degrade a bit faster over time. An app can't measure the real battery capacity or estimate it accurately. The SOC we have is power hungry and inefficient, that's why it's so hot too.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] reddsmokee:
I think it's 1500 mah or something like that. I get only 2 or 2.5 hours screen on time. The results has been never changed which i've tried several roms.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Brunnys:
Well, the app don't measure the battery capacity, but how much current flows in when it's charging.

So you're saying that the main problem is the age of the battery..

Do you think that changing battery may improve the result?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] andrei80:
3h sot is normal, when used from morning till evening. When used continually, I get 5-6h sot. An app cannot accurately measure battery capacity. This phone, like many others, is built to last a day with moderate usage...
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] k23m:
Hello, this is a very interesting topic, so I decided to check the real capacity of my Mi4c's battery with one of these. When the phone turned off at 0% I recharged it to 100%, while still off, with the following result: 1.76Ah @ 8.8V as I was using a QC2 charger. Let's translate it to the battery's 3.8V assuming 80% charging circuit conversion efficiency:

((8.8 * 1.76) / 3.8) * 0.8 = 3.2Ah

My battery is 6 months old and seems to be slightly better than specified.

If you use a 5V non-QC charger try one of these to measure it and assume higher 90% efficiency. Android battery apps are useless, please check it out with a hardware meter...

:highfive:
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] adamuadamu:
I'm already running third battery with my mi4c, all three tested with a similar hardware meter:

1. original battery, but already with signs of being worn out (shutdowns, sudden voltage drops) ~12Wh, not tested as being new

2. aliexpress replacement (getting worn out after 3months of use) ~13Wh

3. some battery I've got at local online shop that seller claims to be original (not 100% sure, but dimensions and weight match the original one) - sligthly over 14Wh

4. -another mi4c, as it was brand new- just over 14Wh from empty to max; surely the battery is in good condition as the one can reach 6h SoT

and I've tried different chargers (QC,non-QC) and no go - no way to see 15Wh or more being transmitted in one charge on both mi4c's I've got at home
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] andrei80:
Find out about battery behaviour of Nexus 5x, as its specs are very similar to mi4c's and compare battery capacity and standby/sot
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Cozzmy13:
And our battery behavior is a lot better.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Ydraulikos:
Should I consider the values from /sys/class/power_supply/bms/ valid?

charge_full = 1983000

charge_full_design = 3071000

Does that mean that my battery capacity is now only ~2000 mAh?

EDIT:

charge_now_raw reports 2952776 when my battery level is 98%. So something is definitely wrong there.

Writing more stats for comparison:

cycle_count: 20430

resistance: 279541

esr_count: 63

voltage_now: 4223995

voltage_ocv: 4323094

capacity_raw: 9495
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] k23m:
Your results are fine but you're not accounting for the efficiency of charging which also decreases with higher...

charger's voltage

meter's internal resistance

connecting cable and contacts resistance

My 15.7Wh on the meter is actually around 15.7*0.8=12.5Wh on the battery.

Some of them are definitively valid, others depend on type/firmware version of the control chip integrated in your battery. Here are mine:

POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=bms
POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=51
POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY_RAW=5143
POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=432278
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=3837410
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_OCV=3874031
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_MAX_DESIGN=4400000
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=0
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW_RAW=1481002
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW_ERROR=98504
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=3101000
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN=3071000
POWER_SUPPLY_TEMP=285
POWER_SUPPLY_TEMP_COOL=0
POWER_SUPPLY_TEMP_WARM=450
POWER_SUPPLY_RESISTANCE=110778
POWER_SUPPLY_RESISTANCE_ID=50306
POWER_SUPPLY_BATTERY_TYPE=x11_atl
POWER_SUPPLY_UPDATE_NOW=0
POWER_SUPPLY_ESR_COUNT=64
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_MIN=1
POWER_SUPPLY_CYCLE_COUNT=0

It was measured with the power gauge at around 55%. My CYCLE_COUNT is surely higher than 0 after 6 months of use, and your CYCLE_COUNT=20430 is simply impossible ;)

I'd more believe your charge_now_raw = 2952776 than charge_full = 1983000.

Incidentally, the simplest way to get these stats is from TWRP in ADB:

adb shell cat /sys/class/power_supply/bms/* > bms.txt
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] alterbang:
Hey guys, long time no see :)

I did not see the thread, but i went on with my speculations on the same matter.

I bought this from amazon https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00NPVZHAO/ because i wanted to test my day-one mi4c battery.

It has roughly one year and a half.

Well...from 0 to 100% it gets a whopping 1617 mAh (see the attachment).

I was disappointed, but hey, maybe i had a degraded battery to start with, and since i never measured before i went on to buy a new original one.

Well, yesterday it arrived. changed it, discharged to 0%, charged to 100%.

Okay, it's only the first cycle, but...

1800 mAh

I guess advertised capacity is a long way from the real one?

After all, if this is correct my old battery degraded by 10% in 18 months...and that's realistic.

Please tell me i'm wrong. :(
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] mendocino_610:
I bought it for this job and I wait. But unfortunately there is not much hope
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] andrei80:
Nexus 5x has very similar specs and very similar SOT. Also, the original qc charger is supposed to charge using 5v,9v and 12v, not only 5v. What does that say about your research? Either both manufacturers lie, or you're doing something wrong.

I get anywhere from typical 3h(usage from morning till night) to 6h(continuous movie watching using streaming). For the record...
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] alterbang:
I took the photo with the phone disconnected, but i remember that during charging it's at steady 8.91 v and 1.02 A

I'll take new pics after some charge cycles with the new battery and post the results.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] k23m:
Yes, please read my earlier post in this thread.

((8.91 * 1.617) / 3.8) * 0.8 = 3.03Ah

Which is exactly as advertised by the manufacturer.

No need to change batteries, your SOT is low because of the awful apps you use. For example, did you know that "uninstalling Facebook app saves up to 20% of Android battery life"? You can still use FB and its notifications without the app - read the article.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] alterbang:
Thanks [MENTION=7182780]k23m[/MENTION], i felt like a student again but after reviewing your formula you are right.

I though the tool's mAh measurement were already adjusted for the battery's voltage, but as you showed we still need to do some math.

I guess that i didn't need a new battery after all, but now that i have one it's certainly better!

I don't have issues with SoT, i do 5-6h on TS CM13 (i stay on marshmallow for xposed) but i just wanted to test battery degradation.

I will still post new battery results after a few cycles.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] mendocino_610:
Where did you get the original battery? There are always fake on the internet.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] alterbang:
ebay battery seller with 20k feedback 99%+ positive.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] mendocino_610:
I never saw the oem parts of xiaomi on the internet but I dont know i hope this original.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] adamuadamu:
most of the batteries on ebay look like the ones from aliexpress

I've already had one - it's crap after couple of months. Also a bit smaller and lighter than the original one and really bad and unpredictable SoT after 3-4 months

Now I'm running some other (rather non-original) battery bought locally in Poland - it has same dimesions and weight as original, but it's not keeping 4,4v at full charge, ie. immediately after disconnecting the power source, the voltage drops to ~4,35v and stays there. Not going to complain too much, as I paid only a little bit more than for another crappy one from ali and I got it within a week. I can only hope it works better than other BM35's on the market - ask me in two monhts ;)

I've got a comparison photo - https://www.dropbox.com/s/ck5iqu2xpf227iw/batt (1).jpg?dl=0

left: original Xiaomi

middle: the one bought recently in Poland, it looks a bit higher than original, but it's only the black wrapping paper/tape, when you squeeze it with your fingers, it's exactly as the original

right: aliexpress
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] mendocino_610:
Here is my 0-100% results, very disappointing for me. Is there something I missed? Original 1.5 years old battery..
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] andrei80:
Read up
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] mendocino_610:
Sorry I do not really understand how my battery capacity should be, according to my results. I am very noob this subject.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] mendocino_610:
Today I re-tested it with the my old nexus 4 charger. Since it was not in fast charge mode, it took almost 2 times as much time, but the result is great.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] andrei80:
So, the story is, quick charge uses 9 and 12v to charge and those toys don't register more than 5v. The battery is fine, the chipset is a bit power hungry
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Ydraulikos:
Changed my battery to a new one and battery life has improved a lot. So charge_full is definitely working as it should.

So if you want to check your battery health a simple cat /sys/class/power_supply/bms/charge_full should do the trick.

You can compare the value with the charge_full_design (3071000) to see how much your battery capacity has degraded.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] qwasy:
I tried it, and got 3071000. Dunno, seems a bit weird, since I'm using my phone for 1,5 Years...
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] mendocino_610:
2467000 it's true?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] djtutis:
How can I use the trick that you mentioned?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] coroneta:
I got 2579000 2 years old battery
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] vasil_d:
Mine is 2716000 a 1,5 y old phone charged AT LEAST once a day. Some times 2 or 3 :) (heavy user + allot of GPS navigation)

What type of measurement units is this value for? micro AmpHours?
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom Software Upgrading] amjad4u:
please answer me my stupid question! I really confused of 6828 ! please tell me can I use ppc software for hp 6828 ??
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom Software Upgrading] andrew327:
Yes U Can use wm5 software and games to hprw6828 phone

so simple ..............
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom Software Upgrading] brian_2cool4u:
the silly answer would be NO. the 6828 is a PPC and not a smartphone
[Other SmartWatches] Wh1T3L10n:
Hello everyone...

I have preordered my first SmartWatch ever... :D

I have decided to go with ZeBlaze Thor...

[IMG="ZeBlaze Thor Black"]https://i2.wp.com/smartwatchspecifications.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Zeblaze-Thor-1.jpeg?fit=375%2C377[/IMG]

It looks amazing and what i saw from videos on YouTube, it also works great...

I had to make a decision between Thor and Lemfo Les1...

And Thor looks better to me...

All the same specs except : It says that Thor have Gorila Glass 3 protection, and new samsung sensor for heart rate.

Other specs are :

Processor - MediaTek 6580 1.3GHz / same as Les1

Screen size - 1.4" SuperAmoled / only Amoled in Les1 description

RAM/ROM - 1GB/16GB / sam as Les1

Battery - Some sources say its 450mAh / 350mAh in Les1

It uses nano SIM / supports GSM (850/900/1800/1900MHz) and WCDMA (850/2100MHz)

It also have GPS, BlueTooth 4.0, it weights only 63g...

Price was really nice (99€) :D

I will make video unboxing and review when it arrives...

Do you guys know some ZeBlaze forum where can i find updates and misc stuff for ZeBlaze SmartWatches?

Cheers!
[Other SmartWatches] wizwin:
I ordered mine (mine also first Smart Watch) from GearBest using Expidated Shipping on 30th April 2017. Not yet shipped.

May I know where you ordered from and to which Country.

I was searching for the same information. Maybe it is standalone and syncs with Google Fit.
[Other SmartWatches] fast-ip:
i have mine now. Nice watch. fast. battery could be better, but if you configure wisely your watch, it lasts!
[Other SmartWatches] wizwin:
Did you order from GearBest?
[Other SmartWatches] Wh1T3L10n:
I am from Croatia...

Ordered mine from Banggood...

I got my tracking number... It says that mine Thor was shipped 2 days ago... ( i ordered 4 days ago )

So where can we find some official firmware for our Thor?? :D
[Other SmartWatches] Wh1T3L10n:
Well, first i will use it only connected via bluetooth with my Mi5... And later i will try with sim card...

I won't use GPS, and ill try to turn off all things i dont need...

Can we root our Thor and delete all things we dont need?
[Other SmartWatches] wizwin:
I did not find any links for THOR yet.

However there are steps to root a Zeblaze Blitz. Hopefully there will be root as soon as devs get hold of this powerful watch.

Sent using Android
[Other SmartWatches] Sargro:
Hello,

I am planning to buy this watch, but have a couple of questions, maybe someone figured it out already.

Can you answer to messages/emails sent to your smartphone, when paired via bluetooth, and no SIM is inserted in the watch itself?

Is it possible to connect it to any other fitness app?
[Other SmartWatches] Wh1T3L10n:
Not sure about bluetooth pairing and things you can do when paired...

One thing i don't like is the fact that you can not use Thor for receiving calls - redirecting them from your smartphone via bluetooth...

:/
[Other SmartWatches] Wh1T3L10n:
Anyone knows can we use only 2g network on Thor when sim card is inserted...

If battery won't last too much when 3g is on... i would try using 2g network only for calls...
[Other SmartWatches] lesommer@free.fr:
Ordered my first smartwatch too from Gearbest :victory:
[Other SmartWatches] movieifx:
Ordered mine today from Gearbest. An upgrade from my Fifine W9 which I've been using for about 18th months.
[Other SmartWatches] jgardet:
Got the watch last week and it looks great and works well. Two issues: 1) it's extremely difficult to open the SIM slot, even with the provided tooling (couldn't so far). 2) It seems pre-prod, the software upgrade tool is a "test" version and some functionality previously available in Blitz are not yet there. How to upgrade?
[Other SmartWatches] Wh1T3L10n:
ATM mine Thore is at the Customs Office... :/

It should arrive to my place this week...

So, guys... Those who got their Thor... Battery time? Without 3g... Most important part :D
[Other SmartWatches] thrownblown:
I got mine yesterday. I'll give a quick review:

pros:

-looks good, not huge

-full android play store

-not android wear

-many clock faces

-most apps I wanted were available (play music and stitcher)

-heart rate monitor works

cons:

-battery, 75% after an hour of heavy use (music via bluetooth from wifi and installing apps)

-the companian app is sketchy, requires many excessive permissions (somewhat justified if sending calls, notifications, texts 2-way via phone), is NOT available on the play store, and crashes my nexus 6 requiring a hard reboot when i try to connect

-round screen prevents access to the hamburger menu on many apps

-swipe right is hardwired to android back button, preventing the swiping in of the menu on most apps

-google fit hangs and won't run

-strava won't pick up the heart rate monitor

-can't add multiple google accounts (i email/hangouts/text/google voice from a work g-account, but have all android apps on a personal account)

-doesn't like T-Mobile if SF bay area, sees and connects to the network, doesn't get data down

I got this as an alternative to a Garmin Vivoactive HR. I'm a cyclist that uses a bluetooth power meter. I was looking for a smarter activity tracker that could play music and podcasts. Something that would pair to my powermeter for analyzing racing performance and track training sessions. It does meet my minimum needs. I was a little too hyped on it before I got it, and I do have to say my first impressions are that its a bit of a let down TBH.

it does track heart rate via one app. it does not transmit this information as a Bluetooth heart rate monitor. on most of the clock faces, it reports the last heart rate. unfortunately, it shows this a 0 padded number and the kerning is messed up since rarely do you exceed 200 and there's only room for a narrow character like "1". heart rate is also not offered as a background service for long-term tracking.

the app is super sketchy and attempting to connect crashes my phone worse than any app I have seen. the only way I have gotten out it to just hold my power button for 20 seconds.

try to do an OTA update and it just hangs with the word "test". that's confidence inspiring.

google fit hangs on startup

strava seems to work fine with initial testing, doesn't seem to register the heartrate monitor

I've had several android tv boxes from china and some cheap tablets, so I knew what to expect interface wise, but this guy is barely usable.

The hardware seems capabale. I'm hoping a firmare update or a custom rom will surface for this because its got potential.

Needs:

-data on the go, connecting, seeing 3-4 bars but not getting data is frustrating

-gesture to access hamburger menus

-heartrate background service that's easily toggleable

-heartrate broadcast via bluetooth

-multiple google accounts
[Other SmartWatches] Divagador:
I have it on my wrist right now and with everything off it's lasting enough. However the ROM is... too awful. I mean, it's fast and everything but I feel like it could be more optimized and less filled with crappy bloatware.

Is there any scene around the MTK6580M for these things? I would install any rom but the stock rom...
[Other SmartWatches] bamie01:
Root the thing and get rit of the bloatware.
[Other SmartWatches] Wh1T3L10n:
How to root it?

Any tips and tricks, and how to manual?

Tnx
[Other SmartWatches] bamie01:
I used Kingroot V5.0.5 .After two trys my zeblaze thor was rooted.

I use appfreeze to disable some apps.
[Other SmartWatches] Divagador:
I think Kingoroot would work too. I read about some perfomance issues if you root with Kingroot, draining the battery because it's filled with adware (not tested by my side).

Either way it would be nice to have some development on this model like it was done on the Blitz. I think there are a lot of brands with the same hardware around (like the LEMFO LES1 and I think the KW88 having the same MTK6580) which could benefit too
[Other SmartWatches] movieifx:
Don't have time to post to much on what I've done since it arrived this week. But you may want to check out this place.

http://roundandroidwatches.proboards.com

Device is available in many different brands notable one being lemfo les1.
[Other SmartWatches] Bugynou:
Zeblaze thor

I cracked for the thor and the super amoled screen to follow after a N01 D5
[Other SmartWatches] peppemirone:
Then some users who use it and make a small review? how are you? Is it worth buying it? thank you
[Other SmartWatches] DadBuk:
I have one of these smart watches - from Aliexpress. $125.00 Aust. It is great, I am very happy with it. With 3g sim card inserted and all other connections (wifi, Bluetooth, data) off - the battery last for about 30 hours. This is when using just as a watch, not using apps or listening to music. Once the GPS and data etc are on, the battery drops fairly quickly so would last maybe 6-8 hours. In terms of what can be installed on it, it is a fully working Android device, so basically anything. The question is whether the resolution and size of the screen support the app. For example, I use Strava on it to track my runs with the GPS on. It does this as accurately as my Garmin Forerunner 620. This works as the start and stop buttons can be accessed within the Strava app. But the Nike running app cannot be used. It installs and you can log in to it and can start a run but you cannot stop the run as the stop button is below what can be seen on the screen and the app does not allow this screen to be scrolled. It does not support ANT+ so you cannot connect a decent heart rate monitor band. I am 100% happy with this smart watch. For something that size, I do not expect the battery to last for days and understand that if I turn on data, Bluetooth etc then the battery will not last - just need to manage it. I purchased a second charging dock so have one at home and one at work. So far I cannot connect it to the pc to copy some music over. Have enabled usb degugging and it appears as a device on the pc but there are no shares. Normally I would expect there to be a notification on the watch to confirm how I wish to connect but that is not coming up - something for me to work out this weekend.
[Other SmartWatches] minds2003:
Hi, is there a t9 old style keyboard?
[Other SmartWatches] morganland:
Hello everyone,

I would like to ask you if I can use Zeblaze Thor

without

a sim card inside it. In particular, I would like to know if I can receive notifications from my smartphone (messages, whatsapp, etc) to Thor.

Thanks a lot in advance!!
[Other SmartWatches] wizwin:
You can use Thor without a SIM.

For notifications from apps on your smartphone you can use BT and WiiWear App.

You will only be able to see notifications from your smartphone and dismiss them.

This is not a Tethering Watch but a Watch Phone so the watch is a standalone phone.

To make calls and send SMS from the watch you need to install a SIM card.

If you are on Wi-Fi or 3G or install apps from Google Play then you will get notifications from the watch itself on which you can take some action.
[Other SmartWatches] morganland:
Many many thanks...understood!

Can I ask you and to the other members what do you think about the screen?

It gives a good feel?What about the colors?Is it true that it seems like an Apple Watch for definition, resolution, etc?

Thanks!
[Other SmartWatches] wizwin:
It has a very good and large display (Super AMOLED - 400x400). Colors are also great however I am not sure if it is comparable to an Apple Watch (Never bothered about iSheep products :p)

One of the downsides about this watch (like many other smartwatch phone's) is its battery life. (More issues on roundandroidwatches.proboards.com - Zeblaze Thor - Issues and Resolution)

I am usually on airplane mode and lowest brightness. With only pedometer and gesture support working. gives me a good battery life (when calculated based on battery level drop it comes around 48-50 hours)

I am hoping for some ROM updates, hacks and mods for this watch.
[Other SmartWatches] morganland:
Thanks a lot!

I know that the main issue is battery life...but if you know it...it's not a bad surprise!

If the screen colors, resolution ed feel are nice, I am very happy!

I think that soon I will buy this android smartwatch!!