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[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=14l3uaq&s=3

sorry for the bad video quality, but check how the scrolling / icons look when im going thru my programs

i dont remember my apache doing that, although it's been awhile since i've used it

is that because of the lack of video drivers or is that normal?

is there a way to fix it if it isnt?

thanks
[Touch Cruise General] pistonripper:
Will this have similar drivers to our 'limp' phones http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct....Category=C62DF6CD-AFEA-4595-9DC6-E0C8930B4118

And here is a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u966J0DnBjo
[Touch Cruise General] TheOnly1:
Not true :D HTC has offered a GPS enabled ROM for the Trinity a long time ago :eek:

http://member.htc.com/member/SoftwareDetali.aspx?pid=3

Date is 23.05.2007

I know that bashing for fun is a mass sport, but the facts clearly state that the P3600 got a GPS ROM almost a year ago.

On another note: Are the problems really a driver issue or simply Qualcomm hardware that's not living up to it's own hype? Is there a single device with the MSM7200 that has 3D and video acceleration enabled? I can still remember the hype around the Nvidia NV1 3D chips a long time ago. It was advertised as the first and best 3D solution of all times and actually never got Direct 3D support. Same story with some S3 chips in the 90's. S3 promised to deliver the drivers that would unlock the 3D hardware and actually never delivered, simply because they finally admitted that there was NO 3D hardware in the chips. Just a thought.
[Touch Cruise General] schaggo:
I thought I fuel the fire by presenting another ARM based platform with hi-res video support and 3D functionality with GPS included. Unlike Qualcomm its not focused on phone centric functions, but none the less... They say, OpenGL ES, Direct3DM and OpenVG is on board. And of course a vast array of possible in/outputs, as google translates: a large number of peripheral and external interfaces to the Connection of touch screens, storage units, video cameras, DVD players, satellite radios and other equipment

Check it out:

http://www.meintomtom.de/content/n/309/SiRF_stellt_neuen_GPS-Chip_vor.html

http://translate.google.com/transla...S-Chip_vor.html&langpair=de|en&hl=de&ie=UTF-8 (Google Translation)
[Touch Cruise General] carryo:
HTC to release handset video 'fix'

HTC to release handset video 'fix'

26th February 2008 15:27 GMT

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/26/htc_video_driver_fix/

HTC has pledged to release a "software optimisation" that will dramatically improve its handsets' performance. However, the news may not impress phone owners hoping for full video drivers.

A number of users of HTC handsets have complained that some models don't provide the video performance they believe the hardware is capable of delivering.

Earlier this year, HTC promised to look into the problem. It now states that its “top engineers” have discovered a fix to “dramatically improve performance for common on-screen tasks like scrolling”.

HTC's TyTN II is just one of several handsets users have complained about

The software optimisation update will supposedly benefit several handsets, including the TyTN II, and will be released soon - after more testing.

What the fix isn't is a set of video drivers for the phones' Qualcomm MSM7200 and MSM7500 chipsets, because that would require a major software development effort.

"It is important for customers to understand that bringing this functionality to market is not a trivial driver update, and requires extensive software development and time.

"Video drivers are a much more complicated issue that involve companies and engineers beyond HTC alone.”

In short, it needs its carrier partners to say they want the functionality and to therefore fund its development. HTC isn't going to do so on its own, at least not without pressure.

Such a push could yet come from the folk behind the HTC Class Action website, who have threatened the firm with legal action if it fails to deliver a solid solution to their devices' playback problems.
[Touch Cruise General] rhov23:
If the scrolling, camera and the other glitches are fixed, I will be happy.
[Touch Cruise General] MrSmith22:
The whole thing will still be a less than mediocre device... I'm ready to beat someone up.
[Touch Cruise General] kolobok01:
Dose any one have a link for the fix ??? I like to try it out.
[Touch Cruise General] raskell:
It isn't out yet. Keep watching. . . . . . and waiting. . . . . . . eventually an HTC minute will equal a Microsoft minute. . . . . . . . .
[Touch Cruise General] luismix:
VIDEO DRIVER WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED BY HTC

They say that needs too much time to do this, that´s the main reason:

http://www.theunwired.net/?item=fix-htc-to-optimize-video-issues-with-a-software-fix-only
[Touch Cruise General] edan:
So let's pay one of the XDA Dev guys to do it... what's the pool up to now? 3,000 dollars?
[Touch Cruise General] SuperJMN:
I will pay for it. A volunteer programmer to pop up? Yes, it appears that they do only think about money, that in fact, is what user's satisfaction is.

I won't forget it, HTC.
[Touch Cruise General] Kynddelic:
Understanding the video pb : Tomtom vs Route66

Regarding the well knowned problem about display drivers, and so Tomtom refresh rate, everyone has seen the video on http://www.htcclassaction.org/, or has tested himself on the Cruise.

I have installed Tomtom 6 on my cruise, and like others, i had a display refreshed at less than 1 fps...

I'm curious about this pb, so today i've installed Route66 Navigate 7 on my cruise (same ROM, same SD, ...). Route 66 display is refreshed smoothly, without any problem, even in 3D mode like Tomtom !!!

This is the same HTC bad (?) video driver used by the 2 applications. So, where is the problem ?? Finally, shall we consider that there is a problem of compatibility of Tomtom with the Cruise ????
[Touch Cruise General] Azure465:
Tomtom 6 works well on my swedish htc Cruise, much better than all those videos
[Touch Cruise General] Kynddelic:
So you're the lucky guy ? the one (and only one) who have a top-speed Cruise ??

Is it Tomtom 6 provided by HTC, or an installed one ? Can you give the exact version (click on the signal strength on main screen). Mine is 6.010
[Touch Cruise General] chiekh:
I think the Tomtom ver provided by HTC is 6.032.
[Touch Cruise General] MrSmith22:
HTC use to make some of the best Pocket PC devices but they're getting knocked off that spot quite quickly. I'm really going to investigate my next device before I make a purchase - this applies to buying from any vendor.
[Touch Cruise General] Kynddelic:
Just tried with this version 6.032 => same problem, refresh rate in demo mode at nearly 0,5 fps ^^
[Touch Cruise General] Wolford:
Actually mine works fine too....Swedish version and 6.032
[Touch Cruise General] cybert:
Mine works perfect as well. Doing maybe 5-10 FPS. Swedish, version 6.032...
[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
mine works pretty god damn crappy...

its the latest one 6.0.32 or w/e that came with my TC
[Touch Cruise General] dortyboy:
tomtom build date 23/01/08 works great on my cruise. my only issue is the camera button doesnt work. i press it and lights show up but the application never opens.

also i wish this was windows mobile 6.1
[Touch Cruise General] SvanteH:
Same here.
[Touch Cruise General] Kynddelic:
OK, found the problem : too much POI displayed :o

Now Tomtom works OK, like it did on my old Qtek S100. No visible difference.

Conclusion (IMHO) : no video driver problem to run Tomtom
[Touch Cruise General] TheOnly1:
Grrrr. This TomTom thing gets really boring. My TC runs iGo 8 (VERY HEAVY APP!) much better then HP iPAQ 316, which is a dedicated navigational device with a 600 Mhz Intel CPU and should rock the house. So if there is a problem it's with TomTom and not with some freaking video drivers for sure as iGo 8 has a lot more 3D than TomTom has ever had or will have in the foreseable future.
[Touch Cruise General] dardar2:
AFAIK, there is no future for Tomtom on pocket pc. I think they have no plan of Tomtom 7 for ppc, but I may be wrong :(.

dara
[Touch Cruise General] stesa:
I'm worry you are right and this is a real problem , not all the **** wrote about some driver of a great device !!
[Touch Cruise General] TheOnly1:
Is it really a problem not having TomTom :confused: Just some alternatives:

1. iGo 2006/8 - Cool app. And maybe the only really usefull alternative, if you happen to live somewhere in Bulgaria, Romania, Greece or Serbia. AFAIK also the best solution for Russia, Ukraine and all other former Soviet republics. For Eastern Europe in general this is a must have.

2. Navigon 6.2 - A bit heavy but runs OK on the TC. Also rich map material. When "Reality View" comes to the PDA version it will be a real contender to the throne :D

3. Route 66 - Cool app. Maps could be better. I personally don't like it as maps of EE are old and incomplete.

4. Destinator 7 - A classic. Now with TTS voices. Also good maps.

And that's just a few of the programs you have to choose from :cool:
[Touch Cruise General] stesa:
in my job I use every days many hours gps , I own all the above and others like garmin xt and sygic/maporama , listen to me , tomtom is another's world sw.
[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
igo is def. the best graphics wise, but its slow on the turns / directions

often times with igo i find it tells me to turn after i have already passed wherever i'm supposed to be turning to.
[Touch Cruise General] TheOnly1:
TomTom may be from another world, but it simply sucks in terms of map material. Try to use it in Bulgaria (where I live). There is only one very old beta map and it will only help you getting rid of ypur driving license :) iGo in contrary has street level coverage of all major cities and ALL national and regional roads.
[Touch Cruise General] stesa:
surely you are right talking about eastern europe maps , in western europe tomtom maps are fine.
[Touch Cruise General] schaggo:
I don't know what its all about. Tomtom ran just fine on my original German Orbit II, and it runs fine on almost all ROMs I tried. I felt it a little sluggish-ish on the Polaris Test ROM on the xda ftp, but other than that, always ran and runs perfectly!

I actually even posted a video response to the htc class thingie Tomtom comparison of Tomtom running on my Polaris:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWHVFlHLtjw
[Touch Cruise General] dardar2:
I bet you hold HTC shares, don't you? :D
[Touch Cruise General] stesa:
I bet he hold the true
[Touch Cruise General] darkazally:
I just spent 2 weeks in UK, Germany and Italy (western Europe). TomTom was perfect, even down to the tiny streets in Padova Italy. Did not get lost once. No complaints, even traffic reports worked great.
[Touch Cruise General] TheOnly1:
Actually the TC has a very fine GPS unit. Fix is very fast and at least for me all navi software runs fine. Including the memory hogs Navigon and iGo 8.
[Touch Cruise General] Jimbo9:
Excuse me to interfere but isn't this discussion going way off-topic?
[Touch Cruise General] TheOnly1:
Actually no :D The so called "TomTom lag" is one of the main issues in the video driver debate and I fond it strange that TomTom lags and othe GPS progs don't.
[Touch Cruise General] TDO:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but TomTom runs on the Touch as "smooth" as on any other PPC device. If you don't like it use another GPS program.

TDO
[Touch Cruise General] TheOnly1:
Huh. I actually never played really with TomTom (no maps for my coutry), so my opinion is only from fooling around the menus and cursing the lack of maps :D So it was not me speeking about lag. It is in the first pages of the topic. As I said I'm quite impressed with the GPS chip of the Polaris as it performs visibly better than my old Artemis.
[Touch Cruise General] SabbeRubbish:
If you want to see the bug, just get *some* map and plan using advanced route calculation, then start the demo (at > 100% e.g.). You will surely notice the lag.
[Touch Cruise General] stesa:
surely ?

why don't you try to read the precedent page ?? you can easily find this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWHVFlHLtjw
[Touch Cruise General] TDO:
But in real live navigation with tomtom there is no lag.

So what if there is a lag in some simulation nobody realy needs ...

If you want use the cruise for navigation with TomTom it is perfectly usable. Not worse than any other PPC.

TDO
[Touch Cruise General] seelanj:
Good reading material for MSM7x00

http://brew.qualcomm.com/bnry_brew/pdf/brew_2007/Tech-303_Ligon.pdf
[Touch Cruise General] Olioaglio:
Have found THIS LINK from Virbtotrix

over in the ppc-welt.info forums, which states, that HTC does

definitely NOT planning to release a driver update to add ATI accelaration

capabilities to the TC, but instead soon want to release a software fix which

claims to dramatacally increase the performance though.

Let's hope, they are right :p

Olioaglio
[Touch Cruise General] virbotrix:
Actually I got this link from this thread, some pages backward. :D

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1974168&postcount=261

Greetz
[Touch Cruise General] Olioaglio:
OK, then sorry for confusion, I wasn't aware :p

Olioaglio
[Touch Cruise General] TheOnly1:
Jesus :) We all know this PDF file. The real question is: Is the MSM7xxx living up to it's own hype? I can remember too well the Nvidia NV1 and various S3 chips back in the 90's. They promised much and delivered nothing. And they also got such nice presentations btw :D I want to see even one functioning MSM7xxx device with drivers in order to believe to Qualcomm hype. So far all HTC devices + LG KS520 are not delivering as we all know. We will see if the various Toshiba phones will have the mythical 3D as well as the SE XPERIA. But if the Toshiba's don't have I will really start to doubt that Qualcomm is not delivering the hardware they promise.
[Touch Cruise General] Straputsky:
Good point. I wonder if Qualcomm is too expensive, so nobody wants to buy their drivers. But maybe you are right and even the drivers won't give us the speed we expect. All in all Qualcomm looses some reputation. I would like to see a device which shows the total performance of that chip so we can compare (but as long as Qualcomm sells engough chipsets there won't be such a demonstration :().
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
Please read, watch, and listen carefully.

http://www.helloandroid.com/node/303

Somewhere in the middle, they mention that the chipset used in the device is the MSM 7200...
[Touch Cruise General] nushuth:
hi all! i'm an italian htc owner.

There is another BIG lies from HTC. If a chip called "MSM7200" is based on or contain an ATI imageon hardware, you cannot sell it with the same name but without imageon circuit.

If that's the case, you have to change it's name, something like "msm7200 lefty". So HTC can't say "this smartphone does not have imageon hardware" or "MSM7200 does not have imageon hardware" or sometnig like that.

that's the case:

1) kaiser does not have an MSM7200 chip in it

OR

2) kaiser HAVE full imageon hardware in it.
[Touch Cruise General] Straputsky:
Someone has mentioned that fact before (maybe here, maybe in the Kaiser forum). My answer is, that nVidia did the same thing with the 8800 GTS (2xG80 and 1xG92). Three (!) different cards but one name. But does HTC deny that there is no imageon integrated? I don't think so. They "only" refuse to create some drivers (or buy these from Qualcomm).
[Touch Cruise General] TheOnly1:
Nushuth:.....OR the Imageon part of the MSM7200 is not working as advertised by Qualcomm ;) btw, I watched that video and I tried to see if the guy was actually playing Quake. HE WASN'T. This may very well be also a prerendered video of Quake. If I ever see a MSM7200 based device with real 3D I will admit that HTC are a bunch of bastards. So far there is none. On the other hand the only 3D accelerated game that would actually run on a possible 3D chip under Win Mobile is Call of Duty 2. All other 3D games (2 in number) are Nvidia only :eek:
[Touch Cruise General] virbotrix:
I don't know if you've allready seen this video, but that guy plays quake with an msm7200 on the kaiser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slOf9d5YHOM

and the HTCinsider explains something about the chip, that there actually isn't really imageon inside, but something similar.

http://htcinsider.blogspot.com/2008/01/htc-kaiser-has-no-imageon-chip.html

Greetz
[Touch Cruise General] TheOnly1:
This guy plays the well known PocketQuake in software mode. I'm also playing Quake I on my TC and framerate is nice. We are debating if Quake/Quake II can run in hardware accelerated mode. There is even a PPC port of Quake III Arena :)

Of course bear in mind that Quake 1/2/3 are not really playable as the original controls are not meant for PPC. You lack a mouse etc.
[Touch Cruise General] MrSmith22:
Has anyone seen this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qhx1Ln0Z8Q

This guy managed to get really smooth playback but how? I also confirmed it is the Polaris 2, did a screenshot and then used Adobe Lightshop to lighten the image to see if it was this device and it is.
[Touch Cruise General] kaefers:
corecodec coreplayer 1.2.0 pocketpc QTv

Well,

I have seen videos running extremely fast on the Polaris, using coreplayer.1.2 [Mod Edit: WAREZ Info removed, UR Warned next time is banned]

It has QTv Hardware Overlay support.

Have not seen someone with it while trying to play f.e. PocketQuake, but vids I have seen - omg fast.

I am not posting a link, may well not be allowed to.

But I have heard of some search engine called google.
[Touch Cruise General] MrSmith22:
Are you saying that the version on the official website doesn't have QTv Hardware Overlay support built in?
[Touch Cruise General] Starwalker:
The official version has the QTv Overlay support too. And it works really fine.

He wanted to say, that the version someone has uploaded on Rapidshare is "free" (a cracked version, that is not legal).

Best regards

Lars
[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
wow @ android vid

that is amazing

and to think all of our devices are capable of that...

btw, what is QTV?

some kind of software acceleration?..i'm about to wiki it

can it be applied to the OS as a whole instead or is it something proprietary that core came up w/?
[Touch Cruise General] kwbr:
New HTC device in June

I wonder what this will bring, what chipset will be used and if this at last will be the device we are waiting for ;)

Or just another hype?
[Touch Cruise General] stesa:
look at the date of the link......... :D
[Touch Cruise General] dortyboy:
i dnt know if mine is different or am just lost but my tc has MSM7200-400MHZ

CPU QUALCOMM(R) 7200

SPEED 400MHZ
[Touch Cruise General] manaaa:
21 days left from today..

we will see if htc offers a fix, with or without drivers we will know in the near future
[Touch Cruise General] vasil:
That's last years invintation for HTC Touch Launch in Leicester Square :))
[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
don't hold your breath. :p
[Touch Cruise General] firefoxuwe:
Polaris Video Driver Fix

Here is new Polaris Video Driver Fix

or herehttp://www.htc.com/member/SoftwareDetail.aspx?pid=59"]
[Touch Cruise General] manaaa:
hi,

your post is related to the camera issue, not video driver issue
[Touch Cruise General] Ajacied410:
Still nothing..i don't think that they are going to change something..we all are screwed big time.

Let's hope the cooking bussines can make something good of the firmware and drivers..otherwise we all have to accept the problems and try to life with it.
[Touch Cruise General] infido:
mail send yo htc support
[Touch Cruise General] DB60:
Complaint sent

Hi All,

I just received my HTC Cruise and being very disappointed by the slowness of the camera, I have sent a complaint as suggested in this post.

Also, thanks to this forum and the talented peoples, I have customized and changed the ROM to get all the options back as I bought it from SFR. I still have the ugly red Vodafone splash, but I hope I will found the steps to remove it ;-)

Again thank you All
[Touch Cruise General] g0r3t3x:
Anyone has any news about the fix ??? we are .26 and no news :(
[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
I was wondering the same, since htcclassaction dot org hasn't been updated in over a month, and no word from HTC about anything so far...except for that camera zoom fix that they removed from the site, which didn't really do anything imho.
[Touch Cruise General] hambola:
yeah man, we're waiting...tick tock. did they really remove the camera sharpness quality fix? I just saw it on the HTC site yesterday. The fix actually does make a difference I have before and after pics of what it looks like. There are these faint lines or patterns in the pic (noticeable in the blue sky on a clear day).
[Touch Cruise General] francescrm:
Hi,

I have been able to see a review of HTC P6500 Sedna and a comparision to several other PDA including Touch and Touch Cruise. P6500 Sedna carries same processor as Cruise but the result of this test (Benchmark SPB) shows that Sedna has much better video performances than Cruise so the reviewer wonders if HTC has included the famous video drivers in this device. Anybody has heard about it ?

Rgds,

http://www.todosmartphone.com/Revis...tos-Videos-y-Tests-Benchmark-notice-87P4.html
[Touch Cruise General] rhov23:
Wow! Here's the Page translated by google. Look at the diagram at the bottom

Graphics test ddb bitibit.

http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.todosmartphone.com%2FRevisin-de-la-HTC-P6500-Sedna-Fotos-Videos-y-Tests-Benchmark-notice-87P4.html&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8
[Touch Cruise General] pistonripper:
They MUST have the drivers for them !!!!
[Touch Cruise General] hidavi:
So maybe all that needs to be done is rip the drivers from the Sedena ROM and make them fit. I hope this is true. I'm disappointed to find out that the Tilt I just bought to replace my Wing actually has poorer graphics performance despite being otherwise nearly twice as fast :(
[Touch Cruise General] logan602041:
Light at the end of the tunnel or jumping the gun

Hope at last?, quick lets give the HTC P6500 Sedna owners their own little XDA-developer section, invite them in with open arms make them comfortable, persuade the poor unsuspecting victims to dump their ROMS and get someone "infinitely more intelligent than most of us" to sacrifice and then dissect the bugger and get us our drivers. :D

To any "infinitely more intelligent than most of us" people out there that might be able to make this possible, is this possible/likely? I'm willing to chip in with a donation to your efforts as are I reckon most people here.

OK release the ROM HUNTERS. prepare the knives :cool:
[Touch Cruise General] hidavi:
Sit thats right, we don't have a Sedna section! Why is that?

PS, there are already lots of incredibly smart people here that are perfectly capable of solving this problem given the appropriate hardware.
[Touch Cruise General] Zman28SS:
Just out of curiosity, which of the 2 graphics tests affect the phone's overall graphical performance more? I'm not exactly sure what DDB BitBlt is.

or
[Touch Cruise General] boqonx:
I read somewhere claiming it's coming out on the 31st. Better be true..
[Touch Cruise General] rev3nant:
Because of its limited availability for general public.

PS: Why do you all keep calling P6500 - Sedna? Isn't it Sirius? And P6550 - Sedna.
[Touch Cruise General] scilor:
BitBlt is a drawing method

What is the Sedna? has someone got a screenshot?

why htcclassaction isnt updated anymore?
[Touch Cruise General] hidavi:
http://htcphonestore.com/product.asp?itemMDL=HTC_P6500

$1000
[Touch Cruise General] wonderiuy:
Sedna in stock by Expansys: 24 available

http://www.expansys.it/p.aspx?i=157440