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[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
6.1 upgrade is out!! FINALLY!
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
And there are roms with the P3D driver too ;)
[Touch Cruise General] kepel:
zip file

hey manaa,

I have upgraded to the 6.1 since most of the calls that come in or are going out from my country (Luxembourg) are interrupted (apparently they can here me, but I cannot hear them).

I was hoping to install your cab to see if this solved the problem. Why does the cab come in 001/002/00x files -Am I doing something wrong?

thx,

Tom C
[Touch Cruise General] deechte:
I guess you extracted the cab on your PC. Don't. Copy it to your PDA and execute it there.
[Touch Cruise General] dinamitex:
wm 6.1 and 3d drivers

I tried but I did not understand it .. the official rom 6.1 (htc site) contains the polaris 3d drivers? I still have to install the cab? sorry for my english ..
[Touch Cruise General] cleans:
where download this RUU?

RUU_Polaris_VF_FR_3.13.163.0_radio_sign_25.85.30.07_1.59.42.23_Ship.exe
[Touch Cruise General] manaaa:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2696345&postcount=9
[Touch Cruise General] gns89:
very nice job:p

i would like to know if i can install the drivers without changing my rom ( i have the original one from htc)

Thank you.
[Touch Cruise General] Hyperfly:
The same question.
[Touch Cruise General] nickleby:
Can i use this drivers with my original Windows Mobile 6.0?? My phone still have waranty, so i can't flash it to 6.1 or 6.5 :confused:
[Touch Cruise General] vanito:
My Drivers are the MSM 7200 how install these?, thank you

BR

Vanito
[Touch Cruise General] Hakim Rahman:
Procedure instal Drivers MSM 7200

download drivers on your PC (installation will be triggered after step 4.)

uncheck "Allow USB connections" in Activesync

restart phone in tri-color bootloader mode and start MTTY 1.42 (attached)

press return until you see Cmd> prompt and type: rtask c (if you never installed the diagnostics drivers before the installation of three drivers will be triggered (modem, diag com port diag and nmea com port)

good luck :D :D
[Touch Cruise General] Straputsky:
In some case yes. But I have to say also, that I'm really a bit disappointed. I buyed my first HTC Smartphone more than two years ago and was surprised how good playback quality was. Now two years later, with a dual core design and doubled CPU performance (also doubled in price) I'm not that surprised. I think today you can demand from such a device that is able to play a video in 320x240 smoothly. If it is able to decode a h264, I would have been surprised again.

Btw I also prefer a better antenna for gps and yes I would have paid for it. HTC was congratulated for the wrong things. The hardware features are possible due to the Qualcomm-Chip. HTC's job was it to implement this chip to its fully capability and they didn't make this job that good. That's why I complain about HTC and congratulate Qualcomm for their chipset.
[Touch Cruise General] singrysweets:
Htc Response

I dont think they plan to do anything about the problem we are having with the drivers. I wrote to them and this was there reply.

"Please note, “HTC is committed to delivering a portfolio of devices that offer a wide variety of communication, connectivity and entertainment functionality. HTC does not offer dedicated or optimized multimedia devices and can confirm that its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices do not use ATI’s Imageon video acceleration hardware.

HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smartphones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats.

HTC values its customers and the overall online community of mobile device enthusiasts and fans. HTC plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high-resolution video support.”
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
"HTC is committed to delivering a portfolio of devices that offer a wide variety of communication, connectivity and entertainment functionality."

Also both Qualcomm and AMD sell their chips/chipsets whith easily configurable drivers.

Also HTC forgets, that the problem is not limited to video playback.

"HTC does not offer dedicated or

optimized

multimedia devices and can..."

I personally can live whithout the acceleration, but not optimizing a High-Qulaty, high-cost device is a bit of outrageous :mad:

HTC Highlights on the device:

Enjoy a full multimedia experience with the large 2.8

Make the most of a full range of entertainment features with FM radio, MP3 player, video clips and a 3MP auto-focus camera.
[Touch Cruise General] wonderiuy:
TomTOm 6 (shipped with device) scrolls map like ****. It's supposed to run at least like it does on older devices. I get nearly 3 fps in TT6 -> will get lost at first rotatory when the map doesn't show me the right exit
[Touch Cruise General] JNGold:
This I don't get. You have some people say it runs like crap and others say it runs great. Obviously memory and other processes running at the same time play into the performance of any application on any device.

If my device (on pre-order) doesn't come by late Feb, I'm going to cancel my order and live with my 750 until better options are offered and are more readily available.
[Touch Cruise General] Olioaglio:
The Orbit2 provides smooth scrolling with TT6 just as other devices did before.

And just like other devices before scrolling start to stutter with more and more

avtivated POIs. Deactivate them and scrolling gets fluently. Thats it.

Olio
[Touch Cruise General] Surfboomerang:
Does anyone know if there is a phone with a Qualcomm 7200 or 7500 processor and with the driver? And should it be possible to extract those drivers from that phone?
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
If there were the drivers wouldn't be an issue
[Touch Cruise General] Abbsta:
HTC's Response: No Drivers

"HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smartphones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats," reads the official response, in part. Furthermore, the company has officially confirmed that Imageon drivers are not in use on the affected devices, but that it "plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high-resolution video support." To be totally fair, HTC never promised Imageon acceleration to begin with".

Endgadget
[Touch Cruise General] MjjB:
If i get it right- then according to htcwiki

Sorry- found this too late...
[Touch Cruise General] SabbeRubbish:
It's important to note how subjective users' opinions are. To me it's clear. The devices run TomTom at 3fps. For some people, this is fair enough and thus it runs perfectly. For others (including me) that's a little sluggish at the least...

So it's all a matter of how you look at it...
[Touch Cruise General] Ziggy95:
Concerning the video problem, you can use coreplayer 1.1.3.

It is not free but now movies are perfect to see on my touch cruise.

Maybe i can send the bill to HTC ?

Ziggy
[Touch Cruise General] JNGold:
Watching videos is just one small problem that the driver issue covers.
[Touch Cruise General] Ziggy95:
On my personal list, video was problem #1.

Problem #2 is camera who is too slow, i am tired to tell my friends don't shake the head ;o)

Ziggy
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
The drivers would fix that too... and much more...
[Touch Cruise General] leopold1:
My contribution :(

I also send HTC support my question concerning the video problem:

Hello,

I'm having problems playing WMV files on the HTC Touch Cruise with media player. The movies don't play smooth. If I play the same movies on my 3 year old Asus Mypal 620 with media player there is no problem.

I'm I doing something wrong?

For a 600€ device I expect that it surpasses a 3 year old Asus Mypal by far. Certainly if media is concerned.

Thank you

And this was the answer, as usual:

"Dear Sir

Thank you for contacting HTC Europe regarding a query about the video HTC is committed to delivering a portfolio of devices that offer a wide variety of communication, connectivity and entertainment functionality. HTC does not offer dedicated or optimized multimedia devices and can confirm that its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices do not use ATI's Imageon video acceleration hardware. HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smartphones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats. HTC values its customers and the overall online community of mobile device enthusiasts and fans. HTC plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high-resolution video support. Hope this will answer you question but feel free to contact us using the following ref.: 080125EM00021215 Should you have any other query, please do not hesitate to call us. Your local number can be found at: http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html Kind Regards, Daniel Villa A HTC Data Support Engineer callservice@htceurope.com - HYPERLINK "file://www.htc.com"www.htc.com
[Touch Cruise General] SabbeRubbish:
Damn it, the support people really got the standard answering policy...

Stop talking about the video playback I would say, but start confronting them with the OTHER video-related issues, namely laggy operating system, slow photo camera...
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
Maybe they'll answer whith something else when we start sending them mails about the other problems :mad:
[Touch Cruise General] SabbeRubbish:
True, but they can't tell us that their devices were meant to be laggy right?

Now their just telling us: oh right, the video playback thing, well, you didn't buy a video player so it won't go that far.

I doubt that they'll ever say: oh right, the buggy OS thing, well, you didn't buy a desktop computer, so it'll stay laggy...

I've sent this issue already, their time to fix it - and a hard reset WON'T do...
[Touch Cruise General] jacob12:
My first post here:)

I have a couple of questions regarding this problem.

Does the poor drivers only affect video playback(and maybe a slower camera), or does it make the device laggy in "normal" use also?

Seems like most people are very happy with the general speed of this device.

Their only problem is video playback. Personally I don't care about video playback since I almost never use it. But I do want a device that's not laggy in general use.

Having read all the tests on this device and can't remember seeing them complain about the speed....

I was sure I was going to buy this phone, but now I have some "small" second thoughts........
[Touch Cruise General] JulianL:
I don't play video on my device so I can't comment on that. As far as general lag is concerned, I have to say that after about 10 days of using it I'm just a bit disappointed. I had an Artemis previously and before buying the TC I read all the reviews and saw raw benchmarks that seemed to show performance somewhere between 150% and 175% of the Artemis on things like raw CPU power plus I read that WM6 is noticeably snappier than WM5 so my expectations were built up fairly high.

My gut feeling is that in general use the TC certainly doesn't feel 50-75% higher performance than my old Artemis, I'd say it's about the same performance or maybe 20% better at most. Unfortunately my Artemis broke about a month before I got my TC so I can't do a side-by-side comparison anymore so these are just my impressions so treat them for what they're worth.

Bottom line though, would I but the TC again today? Yes. The performance is definitely no worse than the Artemis, I love the functionality, and the doubling is storage memory is really nice. It is a bit of a kick to install a new application for evaluation and, even with all my day-to-day applications already installed, I still have more free space left on the device than I did on a totally empty Artemis. That is a benefit that isn't a subjective impression, it's a cold hard fact.

- Julian
[Touch Cruise General] SabbeRubbish:
You should read www.htcclassaction.org - it clearly states WHAT the problem is exactly - to whatever level of detail you want to know ;)
[Touch Cruise General] Perjan:
As far as i can see for now it sounds like when you install a desktop computer from scratch.

When you scroll in your internet browser looking for the latest drivers for your videocard the screen isn't able to give a nice scroll but is blinks like hell. The same as your TC's are doing.

So if there is an comparisson between windows mobile and windows for desktops there is no driver at all installed but uses the standard temportary driver (for desktops an VGA-Compatible instead of dedicated drivers like Forceware for Nvidia or Catalyst for ATI).
[Touch Cruise General] vasil:
Just installed CorePlayer 1.1.3.

Benchmark shows 125% (it was 85-92 in TCPMP) using "QTv Display" settings on MPEG-4 Video (640x352@23.976fps)...

The problem at the moment is that machine hangs in stand by (doesn't wake up). It was fine before CorePlayer installation. Anyone else experiencing same problem???
[Touch Cruise General] SabbeRubbish:
And when you installed that computer - you IMMEDIATELY download the latest video drivers for your device to STOP the blinking, as you don't want that - that's just NOT a feature of a deskopt environment, definetely not when you just installed your new graphics card or it came shipped with a superb card!!

By the way, Opera doesn't blink that much on WM ;)
[Touch Cruise General] Perjan:
Thats the whole point of my story ;)

The software doesn't matter because its the same in tomtom llllllaaagggggyyyyy and annoying:(
[Touch Cruise General] veerals05:
How hard would it be to just create a driver for the device?!
[Touch Cruise General] Hornet331:
impossible without sdk/data of the chipset.

thats why htc needs to provide some.
[Touch Cruise General] Perjan:
or qualcom
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
AMD is a possibility too
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
Need data on the chipset?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1853940&postcount=20
[Touch Cruise General] manaaa:
OH. MY. GOD!111

it hurts reading the features of the chip
[Touch Cruise General] SabbeRubbish:
Indeed it does... :(
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
After reading I suddenly feel the urge to kill...
[Touch Cruise General] JulianL:
Yeah. It looks as if more could be done than just the video drivers if HTC would only invest in software development. There seems to be DSP stuff in there so I suspect that they could do really good things for the battery life on music playback if they were willing to do a low-level recode of the MP3, WMA and AAC/AAC+ codecs.

- Julian
[Touch Cruise General] Ziggy95:
This pdf is perfect to ask HTC to take responsabilities with qualcomm for their bad integration of the chip.

It seems they don't take advantage of the chip.

Camera with 30 fps, i don't think it's actually the framerate and it's an exemple.

Ziggy
[Touch Cruise General] rhov23:
I'm in pain after reading that. Litteraly my chest hurts and my eyes wet :(
[Touch Cruise General] gmc:
Well i've noticed a bad performance on many stuff (video playback, GAPI use, normal use of windows mobile), too.

My old XDA Mini (Magician?) performed far better and it is 3 (or 4?) years old. What the hell. So i've bought a WLAN Upgrade for 700$ ?

The first thing i've noticed when using my new device was the choppy camera. Either Picture or Video (which is not even usable). You'll have a framerate of i think at max 5 fps. Taking good pictures is IMPOSSIBLE, you have to keep your hand still till the display refreshes to a clean view and then if you press the button it takes another 2-3 seconds till the photo is done and you can move your hand again.

First i thought all interfaces are choppy because Windows Mobile is not the best-performing OS i've seen at all.

But now, that i have read this stuff...im sooooooooooooo angry!

Also developed an own app which takes use of GAPI and have been struggling around for days, to find out why the performance is so bad when i only draw some Bitmaps.

My old Magician was able to handele 3-5 times the Bitmaps.

It's......oh man...dont know what to say....what i wanna do now is fly to Taiwan, meet the CEO and leave a big pie of sh*t on his desk.

Really then more i think about it, then more i get angry.

AND ALL THAT..on a device that was made to be (also) "nice-looking" with all the animated cube thing.

Maybe they saw that their cube is working also without Acceleration so they said "ok, why don't we leave it out" ...stupid!

Will stop writing now...it would end in endless loops of whining.

bye
[Touch Cruise General] Straputsky:
Which idi** posted the specs of the chip? Each time I read it, I become depressed. :rolleyes:

What a powerful chip and what a horrible integration in our devices. Should I laugh or cry? There's really no need to laugh about the poor hardware of an iPhone because that device uses its integrated hardware. ;)
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
iPhone my *ss, the hackers could unlock it, write programs for it, unlock hardware element in it whithin weeks after the frist has been sold.

As for us? A year has passed since the first PDAs whith Ati ImageOn have came out, and we even offered a huge bounty to anyone who fixes it, and even planning to lawsuit HTC over this matter. What are we doing wrong?

A lawsuit could be filed against HTC because mass deception as well :mad:
[Touch Cruise General] Surfboomerang:
ME! :D

Have a nice day!
[Touch Cruise General] stefan.popov:
How about implementing the drivers ourselfs?

Hi everybody,

I am thinking for some time now to implement the drivers myself. However, I am still new to this area so I guarantee nothing:)

To start with - can anybody supply me with the files of a complete rom image of a device that supports hardware acceleration either through oglES or D3D ? They might also be files from another OS (not WM).

Thank you,

Stefan

PS The answer to my question might already be on some forum, but I am quite busy now to do a comprehensive search. So please excuse me if this is the case :)
[Touch Cruise General] Dr.Mazika:
i wanna to knwo if there will be an update to fix this or i have to wait for htc to release a new products
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
Are you living under a rock? Please use google next time, you'll learn that HTC is not planning anything for supporting hardware acceleration.
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
Possible driver extraction?

Hey has anyone tried to extract the imageon driiver from one of these products?

http://ati.amd.com/products/handheld/onboard.html

I can imagine at least SOMETHING could be useful.
[Touch Cruise General] Surfboomerang:
I have sent a mail to ATI Customer Support with the driver request....waiting for their answer
[Touch Cruise General] JulianL:
I wonder if this is a cost issue. The Qualcomm 4 page brochure that someone posted talks an awful lot about software and reads to me as if Qualcomm make this software available (e.g. audio and video codecs) but I wonder if they charge some fairly high licensing fee for the software stack and someone at HTC just looked at the price and said no, rather than load another $x onto the bill of materials for the device we'll just do vanilla WM6 with our existing HTC add-ons on the device.

If Qualcomm are trying to make extra revenue from licensing their software stack then it would presumably make them totally unresponsive to requests for driver software but if they view a good software stack as something that will drive sales of their chip design then maybe it would be worth approaching Qualcomm directly to see if they have any sample driver code, or at the very least some register-level specs, that they would make available.

The problem with this is that you will probably need to sign a non-disclosure agreement before getting it (can you believe that even the pinout for AMD's AM2 socket is under NDA for instance) and they might be suspicious of entering into such an agreement with an individual rather than a corporation.

- Julian
[Touch Cruise General] HandySpanner:
You can't just throw binaries at each other and expect them to work.
[Touch Cruise General] Perjan:
Hmmm seems the XDAII uses an imageon chip
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
Now, that's why i mentioned this page. ;)

The XDAII is a TYTNII right?
[Touch Cruise General] vasil:
I would say - not realy :)

XDA II is HTC Himalaya & Andes with windows mobile 2003 by default :)
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
No, it's not. And I dout that it's the same generation chip.

Himalaya: Qtek 2020 / Dopod 696 / Dopod 699 / O2 XDA II / T-Mobile MDA II / i-mate Pocket PC Phone Edition / Orange SPV M1000 / Vodafone VPA / Telefonica TSM500 / Krome Navigator F1

Kaiser: HTC P4550 / HTC TyTN II / Orange & HTC TyTN II / Vodafone VPA Compact V / Vodafone v1615 / SFR v1615 / Swisscom XPA v1615 / T-Mobile MDA Vario III / AT&T Tilt / O2 Xda Stellar
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
so, in other words, the files on the XDA are pointless? And what about other devices on that page? (which share the MSM7200?)
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
none of them...
[Touch Cruise General] Dr.Mazika:
Are u sure that this problem exist in all HTC Touch cruise devices i mean this may be in the silver one that some people consider it as a trial version not final .. any one have the black one have this problem
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
Pretty sure about that, because the issue affects ALL the devices whith MSM7200/MSM7500 chipsets. And it's not a HW related issue.
[Touch Cruise General] SabbeRubbish:
Try reading some more on the forums, there is no BLACK or SILVER version, they are all the same.
[Touch Cruise General] jomo25:
Right, the silver one only appears black in some pics because it is reflective and the lighting angle in the pics.

And the video issue is for all devices that use the Qualcomm MSM7200/7500 chipsets. Thousands of people are searching for this Holy Grail that fixes it. So, this isn't just a hunch that it doesn't exist yet (if ever).
[Touch Cruise General] Surfboomerang:
I've got a response from ATI on my driver request. See their answer below:

sight....:(

But I don't give up easy. My response to ATI:

Waiting for their answer...
[Touch Cruise General] drkbg:
is there any device on the market using qualcomm hardware video acceleration?

I'm starting to think that maybe the reason htc didn't include this is maybe overheating or battery issue...:confused:
[Touch Cruise General] axeluno:
Hi friends,

i don't think there are hardware issue or "stability / temperature issue" behind the lack of rendering video support.

My opinion is that HTC released the Polaris with a "subset" of functionality that ensure the best stability to hit the market on the best time: december!

The Qualcomm platform is realtively new (compared to Intel PXAXXX) so a large amount of time is required to study and develop "drivers" or other software very specific and tied to the hardware platform as needed to enable hardware video rendering.

HTC simply launched ealry a product with 100% hardware completed and 75% software completed. Software can always be provided later with rom updates.

At least, this is my hope! :-)
[Touch Cruise General] SabbeRubbish:
We are all hoping that. And thanks to htcclassaction.org we are trying to force them if they're not doing it.