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[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] Abhi Dahiya:
No point asking reviewers. Probably all of them have been shipped UFS versions for positive impact on them and customers as it provides better performance. Have seen reviews online claiming Honor 8 Pro has UFS storage which sadly isn't true.

You can see honor 8 pro reviews. Most reviewers are getting 130k-140k on Antutu while majority of users are getting around 110k. What contributes to the drop ? Inferior storage and Ram.

As for price, actually I don't have an issue upto 40k, so OnePlus suits me. But the jelly issue with their screen made me not buy it.

Btw if 30k is your budget, you can wait for Xiaomi. Mi6 is probably not coming to India but it is rumored that Mi Note 2 or Mi6 Plus(whichever is the nxt one to launch) will come to India. And most probably some versions will be priced upto 30k.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] K.khiladi:
Yup will have to wait now.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] adriansticoid:
I'll wait for the results man.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] MrHuman:
So, any actual owners of the Honor 8 Pro noticed the memory bottleneckin? Or just people who don't own the phone?
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] Abhi Dahiya:
How a person who owns one with emmc but hasn't used the UFS version is going to notice the diff ?

Let a person with emmc one play with ufs one for few hours and you would see him/her complaining about slow performance going back.

And the thing is Huawei is fooling customers. All reviewers were sent units with Ufs storage and ddr4 ram which resulted in them praising it's performance quite a bit, while users are getting emmc everywhere while at some places ddr4 and ddr3 mixup is there. So they are literally trying to fool the customers
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] Ankul:
Info regarding Memory.

Hi guys, I'm from India.

Contacted Honor company official support.

They clearly said that all Honor 8 pros being sold in India have emmc 5.1 storage not ufs.

Please do keep this in mind before buying.

Cancelled my order.

Hope it helps.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] K.khiladi:
Other than OP5, there's no alternative to honor 8 pro. I am sad.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] adriansticoid:
LG G6? Galaxy S8? Xperia XZ Premium?
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] K.khiladi:
In India, it was priced at ₹30k and only other viable option here is OP5 at ₹33k.

Lg G6 is ₹39k while the other two are above ₹50k

That's way lot.

Edit - Gonna buy it as there's no better device in this price range in India. Even though it has emmc.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jatty:
I have just received my honor 8 pro and I am my using s8 plus side by side I am not seeing any lag or drop in read and write speed s8 plus is having ufs I can confirm my Indian 8 pro is emmc but hardly any performance difference
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] adriansticoid:
I almost forgot. Honor 8 Pro's one of the biggest selling point is its price.

Even on heavy operations?
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jatty:
I don't play games and I don't even know the titles but in media consumption there is no lag at all
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] K.khiladi:
Yup, they have struck the right chord with their pricing.

Just ran the andro bench on my current device and the read speed came at lowly 60 MB/s

So for me, Honor 8 pro is much better if it provides 250 MB/s read speed. ???
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] adriansticoid:
So that's why you're not noticing the difference.

Haha. :laugh: We can wait for like 5 years more. UFS will be the standard by that time.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
I'm on the same boat as you.

Trying to not to go a 2nd time to OP5 but no one sells nothing competitive in that price range.

H8Pro looks great ... that 5.7" 2K screen is a wonder and now I found this :crying:

This storage type issue that Huawei is fooling us should be not legal.

I hate when manufacturers try to fool consumers! Examples:

Iphone 6s had the Samsung vs TSMC cpu lottery.

Samsung S8 also has emmc lottery.

Oneplus cheats benchmarks and screws screen assembly.

nvidia on the gtx 970 announced 4gb of ram and really only assembled 3.5GB

etc....etc...

Now H8Pro has this!

Jesus Christ .... don't know what to buy.

I think I'm doomed to try one more time the OP5 (returned me 1st one because of big wi-fi problems).
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] K.khiladi:
I can't stand the jelly scrolling issue on OP5. Although, this emmc issue is a minor niggle for me. So, I will buy honor 8 pro soon.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] Karly Johnston:
It is pretty outrageous after the last scandal that Huawei would continue to defraud its customers.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] Abhi Dahiya:
My Redmi Note 3 already scores 230 MBps on Androbench:cool:, so i assume it has emmc 5.1, it also has sd 650, quite a capable processor with A72 cores and nice GPU.

I doubt i am gonna notice any major improvement in performance jumping to Honor 8 pro, so not really thinking of buying it. Also all the reviews praising it's awesome performance are based on UFS versions which exactly won't be the case with user ones. So i am out.

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There is quite a lot OP5 provides over Honor 8 Pro for a meagre price increase. Faster ddr 4x ram, much much faster ufs 2.1 storage, a lightning fast charging and as fast fingerprint scanner, a way superior Processor, remains cool all the time(no heating up), superior camera in low light, battery life is similar, and display is a toss up as well since OP5 has benefit of Amoled while Honor 8 pro has 2k one.

And not to forget the flying fluid as **** Oxygen OS with fast timely updates. But but but, they had to ruin something, so they ended up mounting display Upside down, like seriously ? Who the hell does that ?

I am gonna wait for OP5T now, will come with all the fixes and polishing like that of OP3T. Or Mi Note 2/Mi 6 Plus will be great as well. Also Nokia 8 is about to be released, is rumored to be priced much lesser than other flagships
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Nokia 8 should already be here to spice things up!

Hate the actual state of choice .... nothing!
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
No european Honor 8 Pro here yet?
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] mydragoon:
personally, I feel the whole honor sub brand is up to max of mid range. I won't consider them "flagship", even this Honor8Pro.

as for OnePlus5 screen mounted upside down, it's intentional and by design. and logically speaking, should not have been an issue. just that, somehow this jelly effect came about but it's puzzling. no one is sure what caused it.

I feel sometimes a few micro seconds difference in installing apps or starting it isn't that big in the end..

I've never really bothered too much with benchmarks. as long as it's decent and not far off from other similar spec phones, I'm ok. at this price range, can't complain much. these days, phones are getting ridiculously priced. look at Samsung and HTC. and even iPhones. I'm just glad there's still a few "flagship" spec phones at mid range price.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] K.khiladi:
Well, the after sales service of OP is pretty bad here in India. Also there's no service center of OP in my city.

Well, even honor 8 pro uses DDR4 ram. The Kirin 960 is just a step below the SD 835. Also, I am sure I am not going to notice a lot of performance difference between both the phones. The fluidity on both phones is on the same level. OP5 has an inconsistent camera. A little of bit of heating is normal. Nothing to worry about.

Only the storage being emmc doesn't affect the performance of the device so much as to toss it out of the choices.

And also it comes with double the storage. OP5 doesn't even come with expandable one.

I just calculated how much storage I will use and surely 64 gb is not gonna be enough. Just songs are going to be around 8 gb, Images from previous phones amount upto 10 gb and then installing apps is gonna take more storage.

So, I am going to buy it.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] MrHuman:
You can't of course. Much like a person who does not own one or even seen one, he can even less. Get my point?

Not defending Honor or anything, I knew about the possibility of getting one with slower memory (EU varient), I just didn't care because the performance is there anyway.

This phone is fast and responsive in every way. Is there any actual everyday programs (not benchmarks) some of you want me to test, which would show FPS or some and can be compared to other phones.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] K.khiladi:
You can try running some big games like modern combat, asphalt 8,real racing 3 to tell about the loading times. (If you can download that much data) ?
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] MrHuman:
And you can compare that to a unit with faster memory? You got the loading times?

Data or download speed is no problem.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] MrHuman:
Just downloaded Asphalt8 and launched it a couple of times, it took about 7-7,3 seconds to load the main menu from when I pressed the icon. Even tried with HS, Firefox and Spotify on, no difference.

Anyone can check a units loading time with faster memory?
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] Skyress:
Honor 8 pro India variant have emmc 5.1 with ddr4 ram unfortunately :( (antutu score 125k-130k), the Chinese variant (v9) with ufc 2.1 is a bit faster when copying large files, rendering videos, and benchmarks! but honestly i dont see much difference in day to day performance, about loading times of asphalt 8 in india version is around 8 sec and 10sec respectively in opening menu and starting race respectively in highest settings! let me know if u want me to test anything!

Edit: Copy pasting a 2gb video took around 30 secs! and pasting from computer to device, u can get around 30mbps write speed! :(
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] MrHuman:
I got the emmc varient too. Loaded with high settings as well. Seems 7,30 and 8 secs is about the same time, since at least I only used a wristwatch to check the time.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Any of you are from Europe?

Did you bought the european version?

Need to know if the european version also as emmc?
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] MrHuman:
I bought mine from a Spanish store, and it does not have the fastest memory, it has ddr4 and 5.1emmc.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
That's really a pity :(

How did you see it? Androbench scores?
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] MrHuman:
Androbench yeah.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Anyone in europe got a H8Pro with UFS? or simply they don't exist besides the review units?
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] aKp1:
I've got emmc! 128gb + 6gb version!

Though not disappointed!
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] MrHuman:
So everyone who has this phone seems happy about it's speed and performance, the ones who don't have it seems to be the ones complaining.

Antutu results, not too bad :)

http://s628.photobucket.com/user/Sp..._20170717-100801_zpsf50x8bky.png.html?filters[user]=144122852&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=1
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] grizmo@123:
I am going to buy an device today. Confused between the honor 8 pro and oneplus 3t 128gb, don't want to spent the extra bucks for oneplus 5. Does the emmc storage make a big impact on performance??

Please guide my buying
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] srt99:
it makes difference in loading big games, copying files, installing apps, importing videos/images to your video/image editing app, etc. all in all, loading time for your various activities will be reduced in ufs.

ufs will be (may be) a mili second quicker in launching an app.

however it should not affect the FPS on your games, that depends on SoC.

switching between apps running in the background depends on RAM so i believe LPDDR4 on h8pro should be just as fast as any other phone equiped with same type of ram.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] grizmo@123:
So if its only some milli seconds difference then honor 8 pro should be the better performer than oneplus 3t, as kirin 960 is better is better than SD 821.

So I should just go for honor 8 pro?? Ok
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
After seeing this I think H8Pro is a no go for me :(

[YOUTUBE]82OQ6dnzA3k[/YOUTUBE]

EDIT:

The H8Pro unit in this video has UFS!!!

I cannot imagine if we compare a retail unit with eMMC to OP5!

It will be a massacre :eek:
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] hubik.j:
Bought today in the Czech Republic: Honor 8 Pro Black 64GB. It has eMMC :(
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] adriansticoid:
So now we can assume that all H8 Pros sold in stores are all eMMC.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] Skyress:
thats op5 8gb variant, and ofc its faster it just need to push 1080p, and 835 is superior to 960! speed test for ufs and emmc5.1 are going to be similar as there is no copy-pasting of files involved there! in performance standard op5 wins!
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] adriansticoid:
Also in the video, you can clearly see that app opening animation is faster in OP5 than Honor 8 Pro. This can be simply adjusted or turned off in Dev Options.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] Abhi Dahiya:
No, faster animations can only do so much little! Split second difference maybe.

But when an app is opened, all factors come into play, Processor, Internal Storage from where the app is being opened, Ram where it is being opened. So in all 3 areas, OP5 is superior and it clearly loads faster.

And the difference is very evident in Games because GPU on s835 is much more superior (more than 2x) than kirin 960. Also, OP5 has to push half the pixels.

OP5 has the best setup of processor, storage, ram, operating system in any phone. Till now only matched in performance by XZ premium.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] MrHuman:
​

The 2k screen is a big factor in performance compared to FHD.

And yes, the first thing I did was to reduce the animation time to 0,5 from 1. Horrificly long animation times vanilla on the 8 Pro :).

It is only natural the OP5 wins. In a sense a FHD screen is enough on ~5" screen, that is why the P10 plus also looses to other FHD phones in benchmarks etc.

But got to say, man do I love Android multitasking :D
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] K.khiladi:
That becomes evident when compared side by side but if someone only uses honor 8 pro, he won't feel that its so slow (compared to OP5). A normal user won't start a stop watch to compare both the devices. He will just use it. So for me, the difference of 2 seconds doesn't matter.

Also the cost is ₹ 3k less with double the storage.

And most importantly, it doesn't have that jelly scrolling issue. If you get to see that issue once, you won't be able to ignore it. You will have to live with it.

No matter OP5 maybe the fastest device in the world right now but again day to day performance comes into play where none of the devices lag.

That's what matters.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] Abhi Dahiya:
True! And yea, that jelly issue is something that can't be unseen once one has seen/perceived it. It will be with one till the end of lifetime of OP5 :laugh:

No issues with Honor 8 Pro, just wish it had a bit better GPU and UFS storage
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] K.khiladi:
Well, we as humans always keep wishing. ?

And everyone wants a perfect device but the truth is no device is perfect. ?
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] MrHuman:
Weird, juwt installed temple run2 and it opens much faster then in that video, much like the op5. Even recorded my screen, when doing it. Can you upload videos to photobucket? Can someone else also try, because it sure did open fast for me.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] grizmo@123:
Will custom ROMs improve performance of the 8 pro. It sure has the hardware.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] MrHuman:
Here is my video, must be the animation times or then the unit in the video is slow for some reason.

http://vid628.photobucket.com/albums/uu6/Spacedilgar/2017_07_18_09_37_15_zpsdz95avla.mp4

Okey, watched my video and that video a couple of times and my phone loads almost identical to the op5. There is definitely something going on in the youtube video Honor 8 Pro, most likely the animation times, because it is slow.

Fixed my link, should be working now
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
For the ones that still thinks eMMC is OK, see this eMMC vs UFS on a P10:

[YOUTUBE]02ZbqdM7jN4[/YOUTUBE]

2K has nothing to do with the storage benchmark! Stop saying H8Pro is slower because of the 2K.

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It has nothing to do with perfection mate!

If all reviews were done with eMMC devices there was no issue here to talk about. :cool:

The problem is that Huawei sent to all press/reviewers units with UFS!!

Why I ask?! If as some one of you say the performance difference is not significant???

The purpose of sending units to reviewers is to get good results and convince consumers to buy the device!

So if I buy it because of good reviews, in the end I expect the same performance level and the same hardware.

Hauwei is not being serious with this attitude and it already happened with the P10 variants.

Can anyone show me a review with eMMC or where I can buy a retail UFS unit?
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] MrHuman:
And again in real life this becomes only visible when transferring large files. Gaming browsing shouldn't be effected.

I agree otherwise with you, this is deliberately fooling customers. Although my experience and video above shows this opens (at least temple runner 2) apps nearly identical to the op5 and I find the performance running apps top notch, it does not transfer files as fast as the review units and it doesn't look good for Huawei.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
https://www.phonearena.com/news/UFS-2.1-explained-the-storage-technology-in-todays-top-Android-phones_id95180

https://www.gizmochina.com/2017/04/22/huawei-p10-memory-scandal-removes-ufs-2-1-description-official-mate-9-website/
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] K.khiladi:
I know about ufs and emmc. I agree they should have sent the emmc variant for the testing instead of ufs. And they did wrong there.

But again when it comes to real life, one is not gonna see the difference until and unless he compares it side by side with a ufs one.

For the asking price of ₹30k in India, there still is no better device than this.

And so, it becomes the only option in that price bracket.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
I can get those

Honor 8 Pro 6GB/64GB -> 503€

Oneplus 5 6GB/64GB -> 499€

What would you choose?
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] K.khiladi:
If jelly screen issue happens with my OP5, I would straightaway return it. I would not want the fastest performance with an issue that is straightaway visible.

But it's your choice that whether or not you can live with that issue of OP5. If you can, OP5 seems better for you.

In India though, Honor 8 pro has the upper hand in both pricing and storage. Honor 8 pro provides better value for money.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Yep the Jelly effect is a possibility. :(

Here in Europe we don't have the 128GB version of the H8Pro.

The OP5 8GB/128GB version costs 559€ ( "only" more 56€ than the H8Pro 6GB/64GB).

All the prices I say already includes taxes+shipping.

If I'll go to the OP5 I'll buy the 8GB/128GB version :silly:
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] K.khiladi:
Good for you then. Go for it. ?

In India though the 8 gb version commands huge premium.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] Abhi Dahiya:
Wait! Why the hurry ? Nokia 8 is gonna launch, and if last year's strategy and OP5 jelly issue tells something, there is a very high possibility of OP5T, maybe in November ? Just 3-4 months
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] MrHuman:
I don´t doubt anyone is arguing that there is no difference between emmc and ufs, just that in RL usage with the phone there are not many instances it is visible, and when it comes to GPU/CPU performance and everyday use the difference is minimal.

Fixed my link when I open temple runner 2 with my phone, opens pretty much at the same speed as the OP5, and I have emmc.

http://vid628.photobucket.com/albums/uu6/Spacedilgar/2017_07_18_09_37_15_zpsdz95avla.mp4
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Nokia 8 ... saw it ... didn't like it.

Nokia 9 maybe a real flagship.

More 3-4 months means 3-4 months with a Samsung Ace 3? :p:D
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] K.khiladi:
And Nokia 8 won't probably come around the 550€

It's gonna touch 600€ for sure.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Nokia 8 has fixed hardware nav buttons with the "back" on the left. Hate that!

The same happens with the HTC U11.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] MrHuman:
Jvidia, have you checked my video on Temple runner 2?
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Not yet. Do you have emmc rigth?
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] aKp1:
[youtube]gE_QVEEPxGA[/youtube]

Definitely enjoyed this!

Honor 8 Pro vs OP5

OP5 does have ufs 2.1

:p
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] MrHuman:
Yup. The video is just a few msg back. It is wierd how my emmc loads faster then a ufs varient, mine loads much like the op5. That us why I'm questioning people here who say it should be clearly evident how slow this phone should be, especially when they don't own one, just saying that my experience is the opposite. At least mine loads temple runner 2 as fast (there about) as the op5. Don't have to energy to test more apps.

Edit, they really should take a phone with 2k screen and compare against it. Granted FHD is enough. If the Honor 8 Pro scales or loads apps and sites in 2k then sure, there will be a difference. Not talking about transfer speeds.

Oh well, the op5 is alsoa beast of a phone, with some issues though.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Can you please post here an AndroBench test score?

---------- Post added at 14:05 ---------- Previous post was at 14:04 ----------

That H8Pro also has UFS because it's a review unit!
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] aKp1:
Forgot about that though! :eek:

Anyhow, atleast the CPU power lives upto it! Running a skinned android with 2k screen!
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
Yep, but like in a computer that has one HD instead of a SSD, the CPU may suffer from I/O bottleneck with eMMC! :eek:
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] MrHuman:
Think I did a while back, if not then it is in my photobucket album, it clearly is a emmc varient. Linking from photobucket is a buggy for some reason so not going to atm.

Maybe we are putting a bit to much energy and time into this, this phone is awesome for it's price :P
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
For the price yes ... but my "problem" is that OP5 is the same price here ;)
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] K.khiladi:
It again is upto you. ?

If you want the fastest phone with stock android, go for OP5.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] Abhi Dahiya:
That's a Honor 8 pro review unit with UFS 2.1 storage. Get them to compare an emmc 5.1 one with OP5 and honor will play catch up.

I wonder why on earth is any reviewer not mentioning/picking up the fact that honor is fooling it's customers ?
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] jvidia:
They dont know about the emmc on the retail units or they are beeing servents.
[Honor 8 Pro  Guides, News, & Discussion] Abhi Dahiya:
This is OT, but how is the Sound Output and Quality through headphone jack in Honor 8 Pro ?

And where does it stand compared to OP3T ?

Asked as i am finally leaning towards Honor 8 Pro but Audio through 3.5mm jack is really important to me