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[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
Jesus H Christ...that's alot of money for the Sedena

But I guess since I spent about $850 on the cruise...:-\ I should have waited for that one instead...However, I don't like the form factor or the buttons and a few other things...

Lets get going here, if anyone can make these drivers happen you will have a big $$ donation from Mr. Surge (me) :)

Maybe we could start a donation to buy one of these for a good programmer here at xda and see what they can do?

Maybe some more research should be done about the specs to see if they are compatible with the TC or not...

I am not sure as I do not really know much about this, but I will definately donate some large sums to someone who is willing to help out the TC community.
[Touch Cruise General] bfrye26:
Honestly i prefuer the look of the Kaiser or the Polaris. This new phone is kinda extra bulky for no good reason. BUT if they have some sort of drivers in there, and at very least they may have some optimization that gives much better proformance since the chip is the same and the specs are almost identical ( a few extras but nothing that should change performance that dramatically) so there will be something we can learn from this device. We may get drivers from it. we may not. Either way we can maybe help make our devices run much smoother and work much better!

At least here's hopping! now we just need to find someone with one of these bad boys to explore there possibilities. In the proper hands i believe we may have something here.

Either that or someone should work on an android port HAHA..... now that would be sexy ;)

Just my 2 cents
[Touch Cruise General] ChumleyEX:
I'll bring the punch n pie, someone is going to need to get some seating.
[Touch Cruise General] darkazally:
That Sedena looks fugly...The form factor sucks.
[Touch Cruise General] kelpi:
shhh...you're gonna scare them all away.
[Touch Cruise General] rev3nant:
Because it's not made to be sold for mere mortals. And for businesses it looks great. Large screen for capturing signatures and fast CPU and video performances is just what is needed. Our company is considering buying this device for the next project. So looks don't matter at all.:cool:
[Touch Cruise General] mimoracer:
htc sedna p6500 first contact

no scroll lag no camera lag no waiting sign this device is really fast

we must ripped it for our polaris or we wait for near fix i hope at first april

look to this

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yTgJ08_tQzM
[Touch Cruise General] rev3nant:
Didn't show much to make a definite conclusion.
[Touch Cruise General] Rudegar:
" And for businesses it looks great."

it does look like the kinda device that my postman carry to scan the barcode off

my parcels and for me to write my sig on the screen on

got alot of pen marks so guess some of those postmen tried to use real pens rather

then the stylus :P
[Touch Cruise General] logan602041:
HTC P6500 SEDNA owners off the starboard bow!!!

Hey I found some HTC Sedna *****edit: Sirius owners (NOT QUALCOM - My mistake)***** owners discussing their machine right here on this site: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2066599#post2066599

These guys may have the answers we need and be willing to donate an organ or two :D

We need a dumped ROM and they don't have their own section on this website and we're their nearest family, lets make them welcome.

They're asking for one: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=373757

Furthering their cause furthers our own!

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Ignore me, I confused Sirius and Sedna both were once labelled HTC 6500 from what I can tell, these guys were Sirius owners NOT Sedna.

Back to hunting Sedna owners
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
Guess no one did bother to mail the admins of this forum to open a Sedna section...
[Touch Cruise General] logan602041:
HTC 6550 Sedna dedicated forum request

Yeah maybe you're right, well i've bunged a request in for one here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2066651#post2066651

I think thats the correct place for a forum request to the mods and admins.

Maybe if some more of us post requests here they'll throw a HTC 6550 Sedna forum up and we can get things moving for everybody.
[Touch Cruise General] fishes234:
Those posts date from last November. Aren't they talking about the HTC Sirius? (which isn't a qualcomm chipset?)

Is there some confusion going on betwen 6550 (sedna) and 6500 (sirius) ? I know I am.
[Touch Cruise General] logan602041:
Sorry my confusion

Yeah I think you are right, I've found pages on the net talking about 6500 sirius (not Qualcomm), 6500 Sedna (Qualcomm), 6550 Sedna (Qualcomm), and it threw me. :confused:

Maybe just bad HTC labelling and me jumping the gun, the pictures looked the same to me but one of posts I linked to was asking about the Sirius - hands up I made a mistake there well caught fishes234.

Right back hunting for the HTC 6550 Sedna owners, better tidy my mess up and dust off the net.

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OK this explains some of my confusion apparently HTC 6550 Sedna is due to be released in May 2008 I found this in the Kaiser forums they seem to be as eager as we are (bloody HTC):

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2066653

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[Touch Cruise General] sswalia:
i dont think the sedna p6550 has been released yet, i believe it is scheduled for release in may of 2008- according to http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=search&quick=1&mode=0&exp=htc 6550

unless somebody's got some magic, i think we might have to wait another month for our drivers
[Touch Cruise General] hidavi:
Its been out for months now...
[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
Well, today is March 30th, and tomorrow is the 31st.

Does anyone else besides me doubt we will be seeing any kind of FIX from HTC?

Is it possible the responses from their employees were fake?

Are they going to do ANYTHING about this? :-\
[Touch Cruise General] maati:
Here. I always said there won't be a fix.

It's not only possible, it's sure. They only wanted us to calm down and they achieved this goal. Htcclassaction is dead and the performance issues threads are dying too.

No.
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
Quite the optimistic one, aren't you?

I only hope Android will do something for us :confused:
[Touch Cruise General] FlaTEriC18041983:
But nevertheless, he seems to be right, so much time has passed, and nothing happened, nobody seems to care anymore, that's a great pity
[Touch Cruise General] SCSweeps:
HTC is pretty clever when it comes to that.
[Touch Cruise General] maximos86:
we want drivers and we want them now:p
[Touch Cruise General] dortyboy:
ya i want drivers now. because it cost way too much money for this fone to go ahead and buy a new htc phone without my problems being solved.

i have already started researching online about doing my own suit. i mean am gonna try to sue those mother f******
[Touch Cruise General] Krypto99:
Take a look at this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=381254

:)
[Touch Cruise General] swtos:
P6500 driver tested and works fine, except a major problem.

Pressing top button to power off your phone, strange things are happen.

Screen trying to "blow out" and tc locks ....

Sktools shows 8 - 10% better results ( original driver 740 - 760, p6500 driver 790 - 820 ) .
[Touch Cruise General] Johannus:
How did you do it??
[Touch Cruise General] dubbeld00:
It has nothing to do with the fact that it's April Fools Day tomorrow? ;)

But for real, if the driver is working, are you experiencing better onscreen performance, 3d acceleration and so on... (For example using CorePlayer, which can handle directx correctly (and fast))

Or are you still experiencing the same VGA performance...
[Touch Cruise General] TTboy404:
i hope this in not an apirl's fools joke

So are they saying, that they got hold of a sedna, dumped the rom, someone managed to get it on a kaiser or a cruise? with those results?
[Touch Cruise General] hidavi:
Not quite. They're still analyzing the differences between the Kaiser roms and the Sedna one.
[Touch Cruise General] rhov23:
Who's doing that? :)
[Touch Cruise General] hidavi:
A few smarties over at the Kiaser section. Some big names that were expected to have been there by now haven't showed up yet...
[Touch Cruise General] rhov23:
ok, thanks :)
[Touch Cruise General] TTboy404:
I read that, but thanks

I am a total idiot or noob whatever. I have no skills like this. Sometimes alot of these forums are completely over my head, i tread lightly to avoid being called an idiot. Save you life?, if i can, sure that is where my training is. The whole "clear" thing is sooo blown out of proportion on tv.

So i guess, it appears they are trying to get a better drumped rom, to tinker with, to see if the drivers are in it. It seems someone got one of the files working, but has a limited device.

I take it, this is so new, the heavies haven't had time to weigh in just yet. It will require another couple roms, and then maybe some time for them to tweak it?
[Touch Cruise General] hidavi:
Assuming that they can actually use the files in there, yes, it will probably take a few weeks to get everything sorted out.
[Touch Cruise General] TTboy404:
I have seen the price on the sedna

I can't begin to think what else would have driven the price up except the lic fee. And htc position has been, hate your luck, buy a new phone. D'oh, i just bought a 700 plus, you A hole....

Crosses fingers....people can actually upgrade their laptops, it just takes alot to understand, the manufacturers sure don't want this knowledge out there. I figure this is a similar thing.

Here is hoping...but i have seen these guys make wm6 for devices that only wm2003.
[Touch Cruise General] swtos:
i made a rom with ddi.dll from sedna .
[Touch Cruise General] ouioui01:
swtos,

is it possible to make a cab for testing?

cheers
[Touch Cruise General] Johannus:
Is this an englisch rom? and if so can you upload it?
[Touch Cruise General] tkvapil:
And could you test graphic performance?
[Touch Cruise General] swtos:
Alex made a cab already .. :

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2071601&postcount=14
[Touch Cruise General] NikMel:
swatos,

I made a rom where I included ddi.dll and installed it on my device and I must say there is a gain in performance but not as mutch as the benchmarks show.
[Touch Cruise General] Johannus:
Can you upload this rom?? if it is in english...

Thanks in advance!!
[Touch Cruise General] Nizuli:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qhx1Ln0Z8Q Smooth to my eyes.
[Touch Cruise General] ingenious:
Hm... again Orbit 2 performing well (my TomTom demo was faster than TC's too)... maybe O2 have done a better job here this time?
[Touch Cruise General] Perjan:
Sounds we need a dump of your machine to cash out the 3000 euro reward for fixing the drivers ;)
[Touch Cruise General] Hornet331:
he disabled the hardware deblocking, thats why it so smooth. Vids/movies that need deblocking will look ugly as hell. :p

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1792982&postcount=32
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
The issue has been posted to several hungarian forums, and pages... a few more people should join the fold after this :cool:
[Touch Cruise General] manaaa:
thx :) .
[Touch Cruise General] manaaa:
someone received a response from htc yet?

Feel free to post their answers, even if double posted.

ty
[Touch Cruise General] manaaa:
found links at the search function are dead

http://www.qualcomm.com/iqsearch/index.html?iqname=MSM7200&x=38&y=3

so i decided to report the webadmin about this, today i got qualcomms webmaster's response:
[Touch Cruise General] SabbeRubbish:
Too bad their site sucks anyway, else we might have gotten some Google cache results to see anyway :)
[Touch Cruise General] apidapi:
I sent question about this problem to the HTC and this was answer

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Good afternoon,

We are very surprised to hear you are having problems with your device speed.

.........

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[Touch Cruise General] SabbeRubbish:
Same here, told me to "hard reset" my device... Like that's gonna help a lot...

That means losing some programs maybe even :D
[Touch Cruise General] ingenious:
Bad news, guys, very bad news :(

Check this out yourselves (if I start writing my opinion, it would take me the whole night...): http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/01/22/htc-chimes-in-on-video-driver-controversy/
[Touch Cruise General] Chainfire:
There's already a response at http://www.htcclassaction.org/responses.php#official
[Touch Cruise General] JulianL:
I'll play devil's advocate here but, after reading the links in the last two posts, I'm beginning to wonder about this whole thing. The key phrase in HTC's response that caught my eye was HTC saying it "... can confirm that its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices do not use ATI’s Imageon video acceleration hardware."

The HTCClassAction.org analysis dissects this statement and at one point says "Furthermore, it is very unlikely that this feature is not actually in the chip, as generally speaking it would be much cheaper for the manufacturer to just make the same chip in large quantities than making the chips in several batches but slightly different."

I'm not so sure. Qualcomm is a fabless semiconductor company, i.e. it doesn't manufacture the chips itself, it is essentially a design company. In fact not all the design is even from Qualcom, the CPU cores are ARM cores which come from ARM, itself a fabless operation (possibly the most significant one in the world, but then I'm biased because I used to work for them, on the first generation ARM CPUs).

I wish HTC could just be 100% explicit on whether that "Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices do not use ATI’s Imageon video acceleration hardware" does mean that the hardware isn't in there at all because it is a possibility, HTC could have commissioned Qualcomm to do a design project to just drop out that bit of the silicon and maybe integrate some additional stuff to keep down the discrete component count; they probably have enough volume to make it worthwhile if they are going to use the custom version for a few devices in their model range.

- Julian
[Touch Cruise General] drkbg:
for me it's obvious...after a year they will change a little in software and there will be new device with better video performance. if they give us everything now... why would we buy new device next year... it's was the same with SDHC drivers for Orbit 1 until someone from the community found a solution... let's hope there will be someone with enough knowledge to port drivers from other devices or even write them from scratch...
[Touch Cruise General] rhov23:
OMG

that was really bad news. But we cant stop now can we?
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
A quote from htcclassaction.org:

"Our verdict of this response: words of mass distraction!"

THIS IS NOT THE END :D

just a thought... wouldn't porting the drivers be easier if we could get the original drivers from AMD, or Qualcomm?
[Touch Cruise General] manaaa:
could be its easier to port them from a htc device, but dont forget it wasnt possbile to port the drivers from the LG KS20 using same chip.

THE SHOW MUST GO ON ^^
[Touch Cruise General] tigerpower:
I am really new in this problem and I am not sure to understand everything.

Anyhow, I found on the Internet a guy who gives some reg tweaks to optimize the video performance: http://feedmaster.daily-bourse.fr/index.php/2007/12/28/htc_hautes_performances_et_parametres_re

here a the modification to do:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\FATFS\CacheSize=0x1000(4096)

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\FATFS\EnableCache=0x1(1)

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Filters\fsreplxfilt\ReplStoreCacheSize=0x1000(4096)

HKLM\System\GDI\GLYPHCACHE\limit=0x8000(32768)

as I said, I do not understand everything, and I don't know if doing this would be any good.
[Touch Cruise General] swtos:
I agree...

I think that final solution is more complicated than replace ddi.dll ....
[Touch Cruise General] hbc:
But Alex wrote this cab not working.
[Touch Cruise General] NikMel:
it's not a cab file but a home made ROM :)
[Touch Cruise General] swtos:
Here is a TEST rom with ddi.dll from p6500 (sedna) ...

http://rapidshare.com/files/104231247/Polaris_WM6.1_TEST_DDI_DLL_SEDNA.rar

VsBenchmarks results : Graphics 1083 - 1298, others 1877- 2253, Jpeg 2200-2432, games 1256-1292

Use it at your own risk ....

p.s. i noticed that vsbenchmarks running as well but with unstable results ... ( some other drivers that i was test -from niki- had bigger problems) .
[Touch Cruise General] dubbeld00:
Normally:

Test 1 Graphic: 1259

Test 2 Others: 2154

Test 3 JPEG: 2624

Test 4 Games: 1507

So it only slows down...

(source: VSBenchmark 2007)
[Touch Cruise General] angelgmk:
Hey, there, im new to the forum and this is my first reply... Well im new to pdas too and my first pda will be bought today, i want the cruiser and of course, this new info about the grafic problems is really anoying me, i read all this thread and inspite of still thinking htc is the best around, i really hope you guys find the answear, i wish you all the best of luck :)
[Touch Cruise General] swtos:
sktools gives always better results than original drivers , but

vsbenchmark is unstable with p6500 driver ....
[Touch Cruise General] merkman:
So just to be clear, because I'm confused even if no one else is... what ROM is this? Is this a TouchFlo ROM with all the same features that the Touch Cruise has by default, just a faster video driver?

And if the video driver really is better, what kind of video testing have you done as far as watching videos? Which programs did you use? Which format was the video in, etc?

If this is essentially the same as the default Touch Cruise rom, then maybe I'll give it a shot. Though I've done a LOT of customizing and software installing, so I suppose I should wait until more folks have tried it.
[Touch Cruise General] wonderiuy:
So instead of asking so much questions, just ask yourself if u need a faster video driver. It's easy
[Touch Cruise General] corpus:
versions of original polaris and sedna ddi.dll files

hello

i`ve downloaded the file (ddi.dll) provided by _Alex_ and i`ve compared it with the original ddi.dll (from the original polaris wwe):

ddi.dll (_Alex_) - 284408 bytes; has version of 0.92.0.0

ddi.dll (original) - 284920 bytes; has version of 1.25.0.0

i don`t think that using of provided ddi.dll file is enough, since polaris has newer version of this library... :-\
[Touch Cruise General] swtos:
it's a test build just for fun :)

Please don't use this build cause you ask too many questions ....
[Touch Cruise General] NikMel:
That could be an optimized driver.

Sometimes more optimization makes smaller files.
[Touch Cruise General] Jasperrr:
True, but what about the version number :)
[Touch Cruise General] merkman:
Please don't answer any questions. Just sit there and reply to posts with nonsense.

I mean, what the hell? Normally replies on xda-developers is a "good" thing, with a great group of people all looking to use their devices at their full potential. But I come back to learn more about this ROM, and all I get is "you ask too many questions"??? Well gee, I'll just ask less since your so good at explaining things without them. :mad:

Swear to god, between the posts about people hating their phone 5 minutes after they buy one, to the bull**** like this... I can't imagine why the post count is so low here compared to the Kaiser forum, etc.
[Touch Cruise General] rhov23:
the kaiser has many more owners than our new polarisbaby
[Touch Cruise General] sonus:
Version number doesn't neccessarily mean anything. It could be in reference to the VGA build of that driver, or to the version of that driver developed specifically for that device. Which is quite likely, since the driver doesn't work "as-is" in our devices.
[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
if you look on the other thread someone explained about the versions and file sizes..

"It's stamped with whatever build version it was (e.g., AT&T 1.62 has version 1.62, AT&T 3.14 = 3.14), so I'd guess that this is ROM 0.92 for the Sirius. It's missing the XML file found in Kaisers that indicate the version in the OEMVERSION directory. (It could be somewhere else, but I haven't looked.)

FWIW, all the files in the OEM directory are dated 09-09-07 or 09-10-07. Not sure if that matters or not, especially if the benchmarks are valid..."

And for the people asking questions...it's too early guys...

What I will do (I can only speak for myself) is watch the thread(s), be patient, and let the geniuses work peacefully...if they request help, give it to them...but don't bother with nonsense questions or have them explain their

every move, because it's counterproductive since it's so early in the game.

I know it's very hard to sit back and wait, because we have all been shafted and feel like there is something we should be doing...but unless you have the knowledge to help, there is really nothing more you can do.
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
It's a test ROM not recomended for users, only for people whith advanced knowledge who can fix/iron out the bugs on their own, not relying on people on this forum. And since it's a test ROM, and not a final release, you won't get a full documentation on it. When the final ROM is out you'll notice it.

Also the Kaiser is an older device whith more users, hence the larger userbase and board.
[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
just thought we could all use some humor..

if you don't know what lolcat is ull prolly think this is stupid so i apologize in advance :-x
[Touch Cruise General] Chainfire:
Golden !
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
tacgnol is better :D
[Touch Cruise General] phil-smith.tk:
Might as well join in with this...

Message sent today via Tech Support request to HTC:
[Touch Cruise General] fredchung:
Besides ddi.dll, anyone have the Coredll.dll, Fwes.dll of P6500?

I think we may need these 3 files to test the ddi.dll of the new driver.

coz, application calls coredll.dll through GDI, then fwes.dll, finally, asking ddi.dll to control the hardware.
[Touch Cruise General] TDO:
This is all useless!

The shpipped 6500 units are not faster than the kaiser or polaris.

Only the modell they tested achieved higher benchmark numbers.

You can read about it in the kaiser forum.

TDO
[Touch Cruise General] Jasperrr:
Nvm

Delete please
[Touch Cruise General] hbc:
Did you have any answer?
[Touch Cruise General] phil-smith.tk:
Nothing yet...
[Touch Cruise General] virbotrix:
I would not hope for a satisfying answer. I wrote 2 complaints to the UK Support from HTC regarding some problems with the HTC Trinity, which were well known, but only got one answer with the normal blabla ... sorry for that, but we can't help...

Customer support is a foreing word for HTC...
[Touch Cruise General] carlosmc:
Same here,... at the moment no answer ...
[Touch Cruise General] nokiolino:
same here also... see my signature!
[Touch Cruise General] majaelx:
todosmartphone review - hmmm

did u nottice that Sedna sucks on every other test besides DDB Bit-Blt,

i mean HTC make a device with the same cpu and sucks in every other way .... except the drivers.

is like u thow on the market a phone just to release some drivers or HTC is in a quitte a lot of vision.
[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
who knows whats up with this, ive given up tho...the todo guys seem to be MIA and the normal sednas purchased by people here are the same as our polaris'
[Touch Cruise General] schaggo:
Overperforming Touch Dual spotted

How can a Touch Dual perform that good then? It's the same hardware and a much older ROM...

I made a little discovery when I was bored and visited some nearby phone dealer, I captured it: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=S5UTO5QX

The Pharos felt more or less equal to my Polaris running bepe .67, the Kaiser was slow as hell but the Touch Dual was perfectly smooth, no lag at all, nowhere, never.
[Touch Cruise General] OpenGL32:
amazing - whats wrong ?
[Touch Cruise General] schaggo:
Well I just wanted to know how a missing Wifi unit can give such a speed boost... No, seriously, that Touch Dual was fast as hell, everything was immediately there. It's ROM is older than the Polaris' ROM, so why is it, lets call it, better?!