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[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Yeah, but I do wish Motorola had given it the front-facing speakers of the Moto Nexus 6 and the rear camera OIS. There was really no reason to leave those off (especially for the price they charged), as Motorola showed they knew how to do rear camera OIS and had just put front facing speakers not only on the Moto Nexus 6 (with almost same specs as the Quark) but also on the recently-released 2014 Moto X, which was also 5.2" display.

In fact a lot of people who had just bought the 2014 Moto X in September were very ANGRY that Motorola was releasing

a similar sized phone a couple of months later with MUCH BETTER SPECS

:

Note that in spite of the stereo speakers, the 2014 Moto X has a SMALLER FRAME (height/width) than the 2014 Quark.

1440p vs 1080p

Snapdragon 805 vs 801,

3GB RAM vs 2GB RAM,

3900 mAh battery vs 2300 mAh battery,

Qi wireless charging vs none

21MP camera vs 13MP camera.

Many of these Moto X buyers felt ripped off. Up until then, the Moto X was allegedly Motorola's "flagship" device. (Allegedly... in reality, all Motorola did was copy LG's flagship device from the previous year.) But, the 2014 Quark was EVERYTHING the 2014 Moto X should have been -- except the Moto X had stereo speakers and the Quark didn't. Motorola screwed up by not giving the premium-priced Quark stereo speakers and rear camera OIS.

2014 5.2" Moto X with stereo speakers.

With those two features, the Quark would indeed be a perfect phone. All you would need to do over the years is add more RAM (until this year, 3GB RAM was still plenty), add IP68 dust/water resistance, maybe slim the bezels a little more. But all the main hardware features would be in place.

Or put it another way, how about a "regular-sized" updated Moto Nexus 6?

Or an updated ZTE AXON 7, with Qi wireless charging?
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
I'm still hoping ZTE releases an update to the ZTE Axon 7, aka ZTE Axon 8 or whatever they decide to call it. (There was no ZTE Axon 6, so the next one may not be called 8.) 2016 ZTE Axon 7 has fantastic hardware specs (same Samsung 5.5" 1440p AMOLED display Pixel uses, front facing stereo speakers, award winning quad DAC, frame designed by BMW) -- just needing Qi wireless charging to be perfect. It really matched or beat almost all the Pixel XL specs (except for camera) at about half the price.

Due to the lack of Snapdragon 835 chips earlier in the year, it's not unrealistic if ZTE decided to delay any update to 2nd half of the year. In past years, they announced flagship updates anywhere between May - July, so we're not hopeless yet. Also, they promoted their North America president to worldwide president a few months ago, so maybe he's ordering new designs. He was very pro-consumer last year, implementing company-sanctioned bootloader unlock policy for U.S. ZTE Axon 7, which was later accepted by ZTE worldwide. Who knows? They may be working on a slim-bezel design that's just taking more time. That's one area (among many) where OnePlus failed with the OnePlus 5. VERY dated design, coming out after the LG G6 and Samsung Galaxy 8/8+.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
somehow XDA posted a duplicate!
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
Sooo uh, I've converted like 3 people to using Turbos now, since they're now cheap (~$90!), reasonably plentiful and run on GSM with minimal intervention.

Sure, they're stuck with stock MM for now, but it's not like it's a bad ROM at all (especially after some of the Verizon bloat is yanked out), and they get to enjoy Active Display.

Lovely how it continues being a relevant device 2 1/2 years in, eh?

Hear, hear. I love my Turbo, no regrets for spending the $25 to free it from Verizon's clutches.

I wish the phone was a bit more energy-efficient sometimes - the 805 and screen are fairly power-hungry creatures (the former especially if tuned for smoothness), and bluetooth is a bit problematic if left to its devices - but the screen continues looking fantastic and with RR I have just about all the functionality I could want.

Even the loudspeaker, shoving sound through the ~2x8mm slot as it is, sounds pretty good thanks to A.R.I.S.E..

I can't see upgrading until something equivalent or better comes out with an SD835+ (for T-Mobile's new bands). Considering manufacturers are still stuck on primarily 1080p and the lemming-train behind Apple's "bravery" regarding headset jacks is still wearing off, it's gonna be a bit.

---

Regarding OIS, it's a hardware feature and probably handled via the camera's firmware; I wonder if there are any camera modules floating around out there that would physically fit and are electrically compatible, and whether supporting such a thing would be as simple as swiping blobs from another device.

Probably not, but it'd be pretty neat, right?
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
No worries about GPS. I prefer

GPS Test app

myself.

This screenshot was taken indoors, in a room with no windows. 3 meters, 17 satellites available. Driving home tonight it was 19 satellites available, but I didn't get a screenshot of that.

Not even an issue. I look at my display straight on, when it's unlocked. When my display is unlocked, I don't hold my phone sideways with the volume buttons pointing towards my eyes. :) So, I never see any blueish tint...

If I'm not actually holding my phone -- if it's on a table or on tilted Qi wireless charging pad -- then the display is LOCKED and the black & white "Always On Display" is showing me notifications. There's NO blue tint on AOD.

But if I'm holding my own phone and looking at it, reading emails, I couldn't care less about OTHER people not being able to read my screen due to some off-angle, slightly blueish tint. It's none of their business. ;)

Maybe someone will yell at me, "Hey, tell LG to get rid of that off-angle blue tint so I can read YOUR emails better!"

I actually like that other people standing to the side probably can't read my emails or texts...

Yes. LG has really optimized the battery on this. Sure I would always like a bigger battery, but I was afraid going from 3900 mAH to 3300 mAh and a bigger 1440p display. I have been pleasantly surprised. I'll be using it for several minutes, and it will still say 100% at the top.
[Moto Maxx General] stirlitz99:
Thanks for the reply!

So the V30 seems to be the right choice to move forward. Quite expensive, but the one to think about. It is rarely found used here, and like $300 upwards. Small mobile store sell them for $400+, and the V30+ is close to $500. The V30 is close to $700 at large retailers... so wanna think twice before I put my money in it.

Your GPS is fine, so I hope I won't be disappointed either. :)
[Moto Maxx General] schwinn8:
I just bought my wife's V30 (64GB) off Ebay for $319 shipped... brand new in box... you just have to know what to look for and be patient. Used models can be found for less...
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Yes, that was great deal for brand new.

You can also find "mint" (like new) V30+ 128GB LS998 for that price. You just have to Frankenstein convert to US998 (carrier unlocked with fastboot flash commands) - - which is covered in the V30 Frankenstein thread.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LG-V30-LS998-128GB-Titan-Black-Sprint-Smartphone-A-Mint-/192609345150

Brand new gives you less worry, but for mint V30+, that's a great value. I've bought two of those myself, then immediately converted them to US998 V30+ and bootloader unlocked with no problems.
[Moto Maxx General] schwinn8:
Agreed, you can get a mint used unit too for a similar price (with more storage). We chose the new because that way I knew the battery was brand new... besides with the SD card capability, I don't need to worry as much about storage space, which is nice. Again, that was our choice, others may choose differently.

In the end, the point is, no one should be spending $400-700 for this phone...
[Moto Maxx General] schwinn8:
I was jealous of my wife's new phone, so she is getting me one for Xmas now... so I'll be off my Turbo soon!

For those interested, I can recommend the ebay store I bought ours from, since they are BNIB units... and the store just dropped the price a bit more, so it's $299 for a brand new 64GB version! https://www.ebay.com/itm/LG-V30-US998-64GB-US-Cellular-Smartphone-Silver-Mint/173602248812

As ChazzMatt was right to point out, ignore the "US Cellular" mentions... it ran on Total Wireless (VZ MVNO) without ANY modifications. I still went to VS996 anyway, but it's not limited to US Cellular in any way, contrary to the listing.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
[MENTION=2839177]schwinn8[/MENTION], the middle option below is your phone. It's there because of you. But posting all this here so others can choose which one they want. ;)

Holidays coming up. Here's THREE great deals on 64GB V30/128GB V30+ on eBay below. You always need a spare! Also, very likely eBay will suddenly throw out one of their site-wide 15%-20% off coupons around Black Friday or Cyber Monday? I'm just guessing. They tend to do that around various holidays. A bunch of us bought "mint" V30+ for ADDITIONAL 20% off "Buy It Now" price during Father's Day week.

* LG V30 LS998- 128GB - Titan Black (Sprint) Smartphone A Mint - $299

I've bought from that guy several times or had others buy from him. Just make sure you get the "mint" one. Use

Frankenstein

to convert to US998 or Verizon VS996. Or convert to US998, bootloader unlock, install TWRP, root -- and THEN convert to Verizon VS996, like [MENTION=2839177]schwinn8[/MENTION] did. ;) But US998 also works on Verizon; US998 works on ANY North American carrier.

OR if you want BRAND NEW IN BOX -- with 2-year LG warranty:

* BRAND NEW IN BOX - LG V30 US998 64GB US Cellular Smartphone-Silver - $299

Same price as the "mint" V30+ but it's NEW and already US998...

* BRAND NEW IN BOX. Ignore that the listing title says "mint" -- the listing itself makes clear it's brand new AND the two users above bought THREE of these new V30 and can verify it's BRAND NEW and eligible for 2-year LG warranty. I've re-written the listing title above to be what it SHOULD say. :p

* Also ignore the statement it's for "U.S. Cellular only". It's a genuine, new US998 V30+. Seems to be U.S. Cellular overstock, but we all know all US998 are carrier unlocked. The ONLY difference between the B&H Photo "open market" US998 and the U.S. Cellular US998 was the "open market" was eligible for OFFICIAL bootloader unlock. We don't need that with WTF.

This thread has a MUCH simpler bootloader unlock for US998

than the OFFICIAL LG bootloader unlock (which I did for one of my V30). Many, many people have bought U.S. Cellular US998 here in this forum and know they are carrier unlocked. That's just leftover language from OTHER U.S. Cellular phones they sell.

REMOVED THE THIRD LISTING, WHICH WAS FOR NEW V30+ -- AS THE SELLER IS SHIPPING 64GB V30 IN A V30+ BOX. I RETURNED MINE AND GETTING A REFUND.

LG V30/V30+

1440P OLED (537 ppi)

Qi wireless charging

3.5mm headset jack

Quad DAC

IP68 dust/water resistance

rear camera OIS on normal lens - plus 120 degree wide angle lens

superfast fingerprint sensor

64GB (V30) or 128GB (V30+) internal storage

microSD port for additional storage

bootloader unlock and root

no notch

Just make sure you buy a decent case, like Spigen. These V30 can be slippery as fish wiggling around. Love this one.

Spigen Rugged Armor LG V30 with Resilient Shock Absorption and Carbon Fiber Design for LG V30 (2017) - Black

https://www.amazon.com/Spigen-Rugged-Resilient-Absorption-Carbon/dp/B071JV1L9Z?ref_=nav_ya_signin&
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Here's your 15% off code for eBay for November 21: PICKFAST

See attached screenshot. If you missed it maybe more coming by Christmas.

________

Holidays coming up. Here's THREE great deals on 64GB V30/128GB V30+ on eBay below. You always need a spare! Also, very likely eBay will suddenly throw out one of their site-wide 15%-20% off coupons around Black Friday or Cyber Monday? I'm just guessing. They tend to do that around various holidays. A bunch of us bought "mint" V30+ for ADDITIONAL 20% off "Buy It Now" price during Father's Day week.

* LG V30 LS998- 128GB - Titan Black (Sprint) Smartphone A Mint - $299

I've bought from that guy several times or had others buy from him. Just make sure you get the "mint" one. Use Frankenstein to convert to US998.

OR if you want BRAND NEW IN BOX -- with 2-year LG warranty:

* BRAND NEW IN BOX - LG V30 US998 64GB US Cellular Smartphone-Silver - $299

Same price as the "mint" V30+ but it's NEW and already US998...

* BRAND NEW IN BOX. Ignore that the listing title says "mint" -- the listing itself makes clear it's brand new AND the two users above bought THREE of these new V30 and can verify it's BRAND NEW and eligible for 2-year LG warranty. I've re-written the listing title above to be what it SHOULD say. :p

* Also ignore the statement it's for "U.S. Cellular only". It's a genuine, new US998 V30+. Seems to be U.S. Cellular overstock, but we all know all US998 are carrier unlocked. The ONLY difference between the B&H Photo "open market" US998 and the U.S. Cellular US998 was the "open market" was eligible for OFFICIAL bootloader unlock. We don't need that with WTF. This thread has a MUCH simpler bootloader unlock for US998 than the OFFICIAL LG bootloader unlock (which I did for one of my V30). Many, many people have bought U.S. Cellular US998 here in this forum and know they are carrier unlocked. That's just leftover language from OTHER U.S. Cellular phones they sell.

REMOVED THE THIRD LISTING, WHICH WAS FOR NEW V30+ -- AS THE SELLER IS SHIPPING 64GB V30 IN A V30+ BOX. I RETURNED MINE AND GETTING A REFUND.

LG V30/V30+

1440P OLED (537 ppi)

Qi wireless charging

3.5mm headset jack

Quad DAC

IP68 dust/water resistance

rear camera OIS on normal lens - plus 120 degree wide angle lens

superfast fingerprint sensor

64GB (V30) or 128GB (V30+) internal storage

microSD port for additional storage

bootloader unlock and root

no notch

Just make sure you buy a decent case,like Spigen. These V30 can be slippery as fish wiggling around. Love this one.

Spigen Rugged Armor LG V30 with Resilient Shock Absorption and Carbon Fiber Design for LG V30 (2017) - Black

https://www.amazon.com/Spigen-Rugged-Resilient-Absorption-Carbon/dp/B071JV1L9Z?ref_=nav_ya_signin&
[Moto Maxx General] Mrpookie:
Will be looking for deals on this in the next few days.
[Moto Maxx General] mrkhigh:
I upgraded to the pixel 2, been very pleased. unfortunately I have the Verizon version though.

Bought the wife a HTC u11 for Christmas, it has virtually the same specs as the pixel 2 for less money and a better screen.

There xaiomi mi mix 2 is a very tempting device but, having never held one I couldn't bring myself to buy it.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
No headset jack, no Qi wireless for either. Doesn't meet the criteria I set for Moto Quark replacement phone. ;)

Glad you are happy with the phones, but I have a list and the 2017 LG "V30" was the only one that met everything where I didn't lose any features from the Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo. I actually have the V30+. I could also get the 2018 V30S and have more RAM... V30S is just a V30+ with 6GB RAM -- but otherwise is identical to the other V30 and uses the same "WTF" bootloader unlock and root method.

LG V30/V30+

* 1440P OLED (537 ppi)

* Qi wireless charging

* 3.5mm headset jack

* Quad DAC

* DTS 3D stereo (with root to enable LG libs)

* IP68 dust/water resistance

* rear camera OIS on normal lens - plus 120 degree wide angle lens

* superfast fingerprint sensor

* 64GB (V30) or 128GB (V30+) internal storage

* microSD port for additional storage

* bootloader unlock and root (all variants)

* no notch

If I didn't care about root, I could get the 2018 V35 (JUDYP). It's basically an LG G7 in a V30 frame, with no notch. Call it an "updated" V30, but no bootloader unlock and root exploit like we have with the (JOAN) V30/V30+/V30S.
[Moto Maxx General] mrkhigh:
The v30, pixel 2, and htc u11 are the same processors, ram, and all unlockable with a decent community.

This brings it to price, screen and speakers.

P2 was just too expensive. U11 and v30 are similar priced.

V30 screen is definitely nicer but HTC almost always wins on sound.

The deciding factor was my wife wanted her htc10 because of the speakers and I could not ignore that factor while I could ignore led over lcd screens.

I actually visited the v30 forums before I bit the bullet.

I opted out though. I trust the HTC brand, so far my only experience with the LG brand is Stylo 3 and for a high end "low spec" phone it is pretty good.

It also annoyed me that I could not find a place where I could just buy the v30 on LG.com .
[Moto Maxx General] Mrpookie:
Only thing that has kept me from getting v30 to date is the fact that I am on T-Mobile and am not sure abt the carrier compatibility. Also I may switch to Verizon soon...

I understand that us998 version is "compatible" with both but it does appear to be missing at least one band for t-mobile and wasn't exactly sure abt Verizon compatibility but I believe its 100% Verizon compatible...

I've also been limping my quarks along waiting for another price drop
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Lots of US998 on T-mobile. If you specifically want the new T-mobile LTE band 71, then you need the T-mobile V30 H932. Just understand it's

harder to install TWRP and root on H932

. Also, the only North America V30/V30+ you can NOT Frankenstein to another North America variant is the T-mobile H932 (due to different RSA encryption). So, the ONLY reason you would want the T-mobile H932 would be if you were staying with T-mobile and specifically wanted that LTE band 71 while being a T-mobile customer. If you do, that's fine. However, if you are not a T-mobile customer, then LTE band 71 doesn't matter at all, and

all the other V30 variants are easier to install TWRP and root, using WTF exploit.

If you are on Verizon, it's very easy to either buy a VS996 V30 (64GB) or almost better, to convert a US998 V30+ (128GB) or even Sprint LS998 V30+ (128Gb) to Verizon VS996 firmware. ;) You can do that without bootloader unlock and TWRP -- just flash VS996 firmware via

Frankenstein with Dev Patched LGUP

and -- BOOM -- you now have a VS996 128GB V30+ (which Verizon doesn't even have)... OR bootloader unlock, install TWRP on that phone and THEN flash

Verizon stock firmware "ROM"

(sort of like computerfreak's stock ROMs).

You can also do that with US998 V30 (64GB) or any other North America V30 variant (regional AS998, AT&T H931, Canada H933). However, for reasons I don't want to go into in this post, you should stick with VS996, US998 V30/V30+ or LS998 V30/V30+. (There's a problem booting custom ROMs on former H931 and H933; it's being fixed but why worry about that? Just stick with the ones I mentioned.)

Note that if you go to Verizon with an LS998 V30+ Frankensteined phone (to US998 V30+ or VS996 V30+), while it will work flawlessly (especially on Verizon firmware) you will probably need an already-activated Verizon SIM card. "Original" US998 V30/V30+ and "original" Verizon VS996 can both be activated on Verizon, but Verizon gets quirky about activating former Sprint LS998 phones, even if they are have "VS996" firmware -- especially if they show up as VS996 V30+. :rolleyes: Many other Verizon network users like [MENTION=2839177]schwinn8[/MENTION], [MENTION=5420028]gimpy1[/MENTION], [MENTION=7907672]nnjimmy59[/MENTION] can chime in; some are on Verizon proper, while some are on Verizon MVNOs.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
10% OFF EBAY SALE

10% eBay sale until 6am Eastern December 8, 2018 (3am Pacific)

Buy your mint V30+.... It's 10% OFF ANYTHING, but V30+ is what's worth buying!

Use coupon code PHLDAYTEN by 12/8, 3am PT.

LG V30 LS998- 128GB - Titan Black (Sprint) Smartphone A Mint - $285

LS998 V30+ easily/fully converted to US998/VS996 V30+ in 10 minutes...

Here's another seller below. Looks like he's already converted them to US998 or possibly AS998? He doesn't say the model, but says they are "GSM Unlocked" -- but both US998 and AS998 ARE GSM/unlocked while still having Verizon CDMA bands.

*Mint* LG V30+ V30 Plus - 128GB - Black (GSM UNLOCKED) Smartphone! - $295

LG V30/V30+

1440P OLED (537 ppi)

Qi wireless charging

3.5mm headset jack

Quad DAC

IP68 dust/water resistance

rear camera OIS on normal lens - plus 120 degree wide angle lens

superfast fingerprint sensor

64GB (V30) or 128GB (V30+) internal storage

microSD port for additional storage

bootloader unlock and root

no notch

Just make sure you buy a decent case, like Spigen. These V30 can be slippery as fish wiggling around. Love this one.

Spigen Rugged Armor LG V30 with Resilient Shock Absorption and Carbon Fiber Design for LG V30 (2017) - Black

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spigen-LG-...h=item3af07ab512:g:0fcAAOSwrtVZsv-A:rk:2:pf:0
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
New eBay deal for today December 15, 2018. See below.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
New eBay deal for today December 15, 2018. Buy V30/V30+
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
LG just added DTS 3D stereo...

LG V30/V30+

* 1440P OLED (537 ppi)

* Qi wireless charging

* 3.5mm headset jack

* Quad DAC

* DTS 3D stereo

* IP68 dust/water resistance

* rear camera OIS on normal lens - plus 120 degree wide angle lens

* superfast fingerprint sensor

* 64GB (V30) or 128GB (V30+) internal storage

* microSD port for additional storage

* bootloader unlock and root

* no notch

* fantastic battery
[Moto Maxx General] Mrpookie:
RR Pie ROM from BHB27 is amazing! Will limp my quarks along for some time now
[Moto Maxx General] snowboardwcu:
been hawking this thread for 2 years. think i'm ready to (i'm not but you know) move on to the V30S 128GB. i wanted more RAM and this is it. on AT&T here in the states. doesn't sound like there's any issues with that and converting over. looking for a reputable ebay store or do you guys just recommend direct from LG? as always, many thanks to [MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION] so much help over the years....
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Couple of sellers here:

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=78365486&postcount=395
[Moto Maxx General] snowboardwcu:
thanks i was checking those out but not much in the land of the V30S. lots of V30/+ but i think the extra RAM is worth the cost in the long run. i'll start hawking these sellers and others for options. thanks Chazz.
[Moto Maxx General] jaaa1976:
Hello ChazzMatt

Any new phone can suggest now? i try many phones.. but still not find phone for me.Now i have Lenovo P2 with 5000 mAh battery ..but want try something new.. MOTO MAXX I still keep.

Is LG G8 another phone try after LG v30 ? S10 i don't like curved screen.What u think about ASUS ZENFONE 6? thx
[Moto Maxx General] mrkhigh:
I'm eye balling the mi mix 3.....

But will likely buy a v30+ for starters.
[Moto Maxx General] Marky__Mark:
Moto Z4 looks pretty sweet. Has a headphone jack too.
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
In case it is missed in the sidebar: LG Announces the LG Q8, Smaller Version of the LG V20. Aka the former Glorious-Nippon-only LG V34 isai Beat mentioned above.

So hey, sort of a straight upgrade (battery aside) for (GSM) Quark users, since it should now have the bands it was missing as a JP-only phone. The 820 was fairly toasty but otherwise a solid SOC, I've read.
[Moto Maxx General] AlgebraicB:
https://www.xda-developers.com/moto...d-hd-display-snapdragon-835-2730-mah-battery/

No headphone jack for the Z2 Force and a smaller battery.

Nokia, please save us.