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[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
It's my impression you can't use USB-C headphones and plug in to charge at the same time? If that's not right, please correct me.

Removing the 3.5mm headset jack doesn't improve smartphone functionality in any way. It doesn't "improve" Bluetooth, it doesn't improve water resistance. IP68 with a headset jack (LG, Samsung) is better than IP67 without headset jack (Apple). So, why remove it?

Removing headset jack doesn't give you room for a bigger battery. I have a BIGGER battery (3900 mAh) right now WITH a headset jack than many phones today without a headset jack. On a 5.2" phone. (The headset jack is a very small 75 cent part.) Motorola currently puts a 5,000 mAh battery in a 5.5" Moto E4 Plus phone -- WITH a headset jack. How? Because they want to do it.

Yet, they cut the 2017 Moto Z2 Play from 3500 mAh (2016 Moto Z Play) to 2750 mAh because they wanted to shave off 1mm -- AND they kept the headset jack on the Moto Z2 Play. 1mm apparently = 7,500 mAh. I don't mind a phone being 1mm or 2mm THICKER if they keep the headset jack. No one is begging for credit card thin phones. And Motorola realized that by releasing the 5,000 mAh Moto E4 Plus -- AND it's NOT a thick phone! They can do it if they want to do it.

Having a 3.5mm headset jack doesn't prevent anyone from having Bluetooth ear buds or USB-c headphones, if they wish to use those... NOT having it means you need one of those and there's complications, workarounds.

So, why not leave it in? Removing doesn't help in any way, only hurts. Unless you have stuff to sell that requires removal. ;) Apple and Google are both trying to foist Bluetooth earbuds on us. Google made fun of Apple last year and are now doing the same thing!
[Moto Maxx General] Diego1751:
True and good point for the charging and listening issue(edit can be done with dongle but dongles are eh), but in my humble opinion, if removing the headphone jack allows the device to be cheaper/better waterproofing/smaller/make room for a bigger battery then that is good news to me.

my laptop doesn't have a vga connection, and I dont miss it. but I'm not crazy enough not to have ethernet/full size usb/hdmi/and sd card

Are you still leaning toward the unlocked v30? it looks like the XL2 will be nearly identical
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Neither Google nor Apple are lowering the price in any way, to lose a 75 cent part.

And there's no limitation on battery in a smartphone, even with a headset jack. You are listening to OEM lies, if you think so.... :) I have a 3900 mAh battery in my 5.2" Quark AND a headset jack. And with BIGGER screen size and bigger frame than Quark, say a 5.5" display, 5.8" display, 6" display, they should be able to put an even BIGGER battery in!

For instance, go look up the Moto C Plus and Moto E Plus. Phones released this year! How big are the displays? 4,000 and 5,000 mAh batteries and both have headset jacks. They are BUDGET phones. Headset jack and battery size has nothing to do b with cost.

But in more "expensive" phones like Moto Z2 Motorola puts in SMALLER batteries, because they want to sell you mods.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
But no headset jack on the XL2 for no logical reason.

Yes, going to buy the LG V30 unless the rumored ZTE AXON 9 shows up and beats it.
[Moto Maxx General] Diego1751:
I'm not taking one side or the other, the more hardware and i/o check boxes the better imo. actually I agree with you and will probably get a headphone jack in my next phone (at work I need to keep my phone in my pocket to avoid potential damage from cross fire but can use cheap earbuds that if become damaged can be easily replaced, and have an inline mic that can be used for voice commands)

all I was pointing out was that from a manufacturing standpoint including legacy i/o is a tradeoff. inevitably by definition including the headphone jack constrains design and cost to some degree. it could mean the difference of having a hump, or chin, less room for front facing speakers or larger bezels on a device or affecting how the board of the phone can be placed internally or adding extra points of failure by running a ribbon to the connection. also its inclusion could be a deterrent to experimenting with new form factors. also when you are talking about n number of units then 75c parts add up.

maybe 2017 is too early for some but like the VGA connection on laptops I dont believe it is around to stay much longer as legacy compatibility can be achieved through a dongle (meh gross) or buy a pair of usb c earbuds if someone doesn't want to go wireless/ the only use case for the headphone jack at this point is if you have a specific high quality audio device that cant be replaced, because correct me if i am wrong but usb c is in terms of technical specifications is superior in every way to a 3.5 mm jack?

2017 is too early because ironically while I was looking for a 3.5mm cable I found my first android that still has a micro hdmi port hahahaha :p
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
I wasn't bashing your views, I know you were just stating their argument in a somewhat neutral way -- but their argument is full of fallacies.

No, USB-C for audio is not superior, it still has to be reconverted back to analog or something for you to hear it. I'm not an expert in that category, but I've read the reasons for and against and whenever someone points that out, it tends to stop the discussion because there's nothing to say after that. :p No one has ever dispute that point.

ZTE Axon 7 has award winning quad DAC and headset jack and front facing speakers. OEMS can design what they WANT to design. IF they want to leave out the headset jack, it's because they have some ulterior motive.

Same reason Motorola gives larger batteries on budget phones, but smaller batteries on more expensive phones -- they want to sell you SOMETHING ELSE to replace it, a battery MOD. Oh....

Same reason Apple ditched the jack and then sells dongles and bluetooth earbuds. NOTHING is improved. Bluetooth was there BEFORE the jack was taken away. But they want to sell you something. Google made fun of Apple last year for removing the headset jack, but now they are doing it this year because now they ALSO want to sell you Bluetooth ear buds. Not because Bluetooth ear buds are superior in any way to 3.5mm headphone, but because it MAKES THEM MORE MONEY.

It's not about improving the consumer experience, they are actually TAKING AWAY functionality. Same way Apple took away DVD drives on laptops. Not because it helped anyone -- you then had to buy an add-on DVD drive to connect to USB port -- but because they wanted to SEPARATE YOU FROM YOUR OWN CONTENT, and force you to use paid Apple streaming music and videos. It's NEVER about helping you. (I won't buy a computer without an optical drive to this day.)

So, no removing the headset jack does nothing. It's not about more space. The

Moto C Plus has a 5" display and a 4,000 mAh battery.

The

Moto E Plus has a 5.5" display and a 5,000 mAh battery.

No one complains they are "too thick". Because no one is begging for credit card thin phones in the first place. ;)

My 5.2" Moto XT1225 with 3900 mAh battery is not too thick.
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
i would not be surprised to see a phone come out where there are ZERO ports. would make a great case for a full waterproof device. however, I still won't get it as I like being able to plug in my headphones. I already have two bluetooth devices connected (watch & car), so don't need a third (not that I have my headphones in while driving), just that I would hate to have to keep charging my headphones.
[Moto Maxx General] hitokage004:
That may just be the cord/wire, or at least the micro-USB on the end. I have several cables (different brands) where that connector broke, but the rest is fine. The durability of micro-USB connectors sucks - yes they rated for a higher number of insertions and removals, but that is under ideal circumstances. While I agree with it being preferred to have to replace the cable over replacing the phone or trying to get it repaired, I'd rather not have to replace the cables as often.
[Moto Maxx General] Diego1751:
[MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION] what do you think of the new feature in the s8 and the lgv30, to lower screen resolution for battery and increase performance by lowering the demand on the chip

I haven't been able to find any technical documentation to see how this ACTUALLY works under the hood (I'm someone that tries to dig deep into understanding hardware. I like knowing what poly-Si TFT diamond pentile matrix means :p I've refused to get any device without oled since the galaxy s2 always using black themes for battery life. thats the biggest reason I got the turbo besides verizon gave it away free and much I HATED the s4 with only root/safestrap compared to the actual unlock method on the s2.... anyway)

my understanding after looking and a lack of technical details is that its a high level software trick just lowering the virtual resolution and its not actually taking advantage of the active matrix in an oled display.

thoughts?

any documentation as to how much battery this actually saves appreciated
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Your description of that is pretty accurate from my understanding.

I know in our Quarks people tried to lower the resolution through build prop and it never actually saved battery, probably because it was still somehow using native resolution just displaying it worse. ;) It doesn't have the Galaxy S8/LG V30 software tricks built in.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Interesting.

Google listened to me and decided to include front facing stereo speaker on the LG-made zero-bezel 2017 Pixel 2 XL.

Then, they proceeded to ignore me and remove the 3.5mm headphone jack for no reason. In fact, the Google Pixel 2 XL will only have IP67 water resistance WITHOUT a headphone jack, while the LG 30 WITH a headphone jack has IP68. Go figure.

I'm waiting to see how big the battery is on the Pixel 2 XL. Not that it has any relationship between battery size and presence of headphone jack. See Moto XT1225, Moto XT1254, Moto C Plus, Moto E Plus, etc. Many phones have HUGE batteries and headphone jacks. But since LG is making both phones and they're the same screen size as far as I know, let's see Google give this phone a 4000 mAh battery or something -- since they removed the headphone jack and that's one of the FAKE REASONS often given by OEMs. :rolleyes:

Pixel 2 XL has Stereo Speakers

https://www.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl-stereo-speaker-music-recognition-portrait-mode/

I wish the LG V30 had stereo speakers. It's the only thing it's missing... So, now we have to choose between fantastic quad DAC audio with 3.5mm headphone jack or front-facing stereo speakers. Why can't we have BOTH, like on the ZTE Axon 7?
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
Pixel 2 XL vs. V30 is going to be a really tough decision. I hate a lack of headphone jack in principle, but in practice whatever, I'll get an adapter. Since the DAC will be built into the adapter, just find an adapter with a good one. Somehow I'll survive without the ability to charge it at the same time as listening to music /sarcasm. Lack of water resistance sucks, but I take good care of my phone and I've never dropped it into water (just jinxed myself probably, especially since my Huawei watch went in the toilet the other day). I'll gladly put up with all of these for more, and more timely, updates. The V30 is launching with nougat, which means it probably doesn't support project treble, which means there is no extra incentive for LG to make any change to its current update frequency. I honestly don't know how good LG is about updates, but I do know that they're not better than Google. I kinda wish I didn't have to make these compromises though, especially since there's no real reason for them.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Well, my decision is now easy. Pixel XL2:

No wireless charging? Goodbye. Won't buy a phone without wireless charging.

Wish the LG V30 had the stereo speakers though.

And there's no reason the Pixel XL2 couldn't have headset jack and wireless charging. Why won't someone make a phone with ALL the specs? It's not hard. I have to laugh that the Pixel XL 2 has LOWER IP 67 rating without a headset jack than the LG and Samsung phones WITH a headset jack (IP68).
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
Yeah, I know you love that snail pace wireless charging tech. Why have your phone restricted to one general area tethered by a cable when you can have it restricted to one general are tethered by inductive charging distance restrictions :)? Screw it, I'm pulling the trigger. Unlocked Pixel XL 2, here I come! With timely updates from Google and almost guaranteed scene support for years to come afterwards (I just put Oreo on my Nexus 4 for god's sake), I won't feel bad about holding on to this phone forever (and at the price I'm paying, forever will be just long enough to make it worth it).

Hardware is great and all, but we're at the point where all of the top tier phones pretty much have the same guts. Water resistance is certainly nice to have, but my Droid Turbo made it this far without getting dropped into water, and my Galaxy S4 made it even longer before that, so whatever. IP67 is not nothing. The watch that I mentioned in my previous post? It's IP67 and still ticking just fine after its little toilet trip. I even soaked the thing in soapy water to clean it off. I covered pretty much everything else in my previous post, so I won't repeat myself.

It's all about the software now. Most people here will agree that stock android is the best android. And what makes stock android even better? When it is officially supported! No more scene drama, no more forum wars over people asking for ETAs, no more buggy releases (hopefully, I know Google's record isn't exactly spotless on that, but they seem to fix things quickly when they mess up). Getting a Google phone gets you the best possible incarnation of Android without having to compromise carrier-specific features (even the unbranded Pixel 1 could do Verizon wifi calling no problem, and I suspect the unbranded XL 2 I just bought will be the same), and also the strongest scene support of all devices by far. I can have all of my cakes and eat them too.
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
Yeah, I get all of that [MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION]. At this price point, it all comes down to which little features you care about and which you don't. When we say "why can't an oem just make the perfect phone and put all of this stuff in," the real answer is because the more stuff you put in, the more expensive it is to make, and the average consumer couldn't care less about most of it. For me, focusing on the software is way more important than on the hardware at this point. If I'm going to spend a good portion of every day interacting with a little screen, I want that interaction to be the best possible experience. The reason why Apple has been able to maintain their customer base is because they understood this early on. Everything that happens when I'm not interacting with it is negligible, except maybe for fast charging so I can interact with it again sooner. I agree with you about screen resolutions, which is why I went XL. If you put my 1080 S4 next to my 1440 Turbo, there's no contest.
[Moto Maxx General] sgtoutlaw:
It is so funny how opinions vary. You say that you think OnePlus drops the ball by having a phone at 1080p while here I am a person who won't buy a phone that has what I consider the useless 1440p.

Please give me a good 1080p phone with the battery size you keep giving these 1440p phones.

Requirements from person to person.

I want a 1080p with a large battery for extra extra long battery life.

A decent camera.

Loud speakers that don't sound like garbage, being loud is more important.

Good call quality.

I guess I am not searching as much as other people though, my droid turbo is working for me and has been for 2 years now. I try to imagine what I would actually do that would need something that much more can't really think of anything. I think for me I am at the end of the need for upgrades until some sort of super long battery life technology comes out.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
I had 1080p back in 2013 with the LG Nexus 5. Just like I had a 720p back in 2012. So, not going to downgrade. Some of the reason we own our phones is for bragging rights. For years, I've teased iPhone owning friends about my 1440p, Qi wireless charging and other features Apple wouldn't give their phones. Now that the iPhone X is getting Qi wireless charging (finally!) and going past 1080p to 1125p (WHAT the heck?), I'm sure not going back to mere 1080p.

And that's something else. There's tiers -- budget, mid-tier, top tier (premium). Specs go with those tiers. Snapdragon 8xx is top tier, 6xx is mid-tier, and there's 4xx for extreme budget phones. I'm not even going to try to justify owning a Media Tek CPU phone.

Resolution is the other indicator. All the "mid tier" phones have Snapdragon 6xx with 1080p. Premium phones have Snapdragon 8xx with 1440p. Anytime after late 2014, any phone with Snapdragon 8xx but has 1080p was a Frankenstein. A mid-tier phone PRETENDING to be something else.

________

Motorola released TWO

720p budget phones

this year with large batteries -- 4,000 (5.0", Media Tek) and 5,000 mAh (5.5", Snapdragon 427) and headset jacks. Yet, Motorola released a 5.5" 1440p phone, Snapdragon 8xx with a 2750 mAh battery -- and no headset jack. Go figure. Hey Motorola, put the 5,000 mAh battery in the 5.5" 1440p phone!

They also released mid-tier (Snapdragon 6xx, 1080p, headset jack) Moto Z2 Play, with the exact same frame and display size as the Moto Z2 Force (Snapdragon 8xx, 1440p, no headset jack) -- but just like last year, they removed the headset jack and made the battery SMALLER on the premium version of the phone. The mid-tier Z2 variant has bigger battery, more features. Even though you are paying MORE money and have a 1440p display on the top tier phone. For Motorola LESS features, LESS battery = higher price.

Stuff like this -- and super slow software updates -- is why Motorola will never get my money again.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
The only reason I wouldn't buy the LG V30 is if the rumored ZTE Axon 9 (the successor to the 2016 ZTE Axon 7) just really nails all my wants and needs. Like if it's the LG V30 + stereo speakers. ;) Supposedly will be announced in October, and the ZTE Axon 7 has been out of stock on the ZTE USA website for a few weeks now.
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] kadirnadir:
hi, i just bought an XZ, a notification popup appeared about system update and i installed now my software version is 39.0.A.3.30 / 6.0.1

i am checking the system updates but it says your phone up to date.

so i installed the xperia companion and it says the same thing.

my last hope was in this adress : http://support.sonymobile.com/global-en/software/

i entered the imei number and my screenshot is attached

View attachment 4130824

please help me, is it normal, do i need to wait ? if i should, when will the update come?
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] lukem99626:
Hey I recently brought. One it got nougat straight away but not the 7.1.1yet any ways is yours brand new unlocked what region? Did you call Sony? Failing that use flash tool and upgrade it
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] DHGE:
check your region

new updates are not rolled out everywhere at the same time:

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[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Simson_Halder:
Hello folks,

I had an old HTC one M8 running android kitkat. I've rooted my phone using kingo root app then installed flashify. I downloaded the latest TWRP 3.1 and also ensure that the version was correct for the device. After installing the img file using flashify my phone restarted and stuck with a dialogue saying "Entering Recovery". I've gone through a similar post where a senior member said to hold the power button until it reboot up. That method is not working for me.

I would highly appreciate and be pleased if anyone can help me out. :eek::(
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redpoint73:
Is your bootloader locked? If so, that isn't the proper procedure for installing TWRP on this device. You can't install custom recovery on this device, unless you first unlock the bootloader.

Hold power+ vol up to force a reboot (may need to hold the buttons for a minute or so in a "stuck" condition). Once the screen goes dark indicating a reboot, let go of the buttons, and only hold vol down, until you see the bootloader screen. From there, if the bootloader is locked, unlock it using the HTCDev.com process, then wipe cache and flash TWRP with fastboot.
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] jayeshaupe90:
i flashed stock rom https://xdaforums.com/moto-g4-plus/how-to/moto-g4-plus-xt1640-43-athene-npj25-93-t3549369

and now i have no network and my finger print sensor is not working...

then i flashed the 23.1 build

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6R99CgoFhmKQUVMVWE4ckEyRms/view

still its not working.

someone please help me.
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] BlackBeats:
https://xdaforums.com/moto-g4-plus/how-to/install-official-firmware-soak-test-t3531296

Try this
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] jayeshaupe90:
u had the same problem?
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] BlackBeats:
nope but i have read threads most suggested to updat to nougat modem and device specific framework
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] jayeshaupe90:
i am not able to flash .

I does not detect my phone

model: Usb imei not showing

and when i click on start it says failed gpt.bin something
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] zeomal:
“Failed gpt.bin” something doesn't help us, or you.

Tell us the exact errors shown. We'll be then able to help you out to the best of our ability.

From my knowledge, you cannot flash a gpt partition file of an older ROM. You should, as Blackbeats mentioned, flash only the modem partition from the correct ROM for your device.
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] ____Mdd:
[MENTION=6119379]jayeshaupe90[/MENTION]

I think your phone became G4 (not plus !! )...

This happened because of flashing wrong firmware.. and this has no solution till now...

Check this [ https://xdaforums.com/moto-g4-plus/help/moto-g4-pluss-model-changed-to-g4-lost-t3496912 ]

If this happened (your phone became G4) then we cannot do anything to help you, otherwise correct me...

PS. Anyhow someone found solution for network.. read on second page of that thread..
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] BlackBeats:
as an experimental idea flash twrp then a custom rom then the modem file and see if it detects

PS then jtaging is the last option
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] MK+2017:
one more casualty, sorry I'm out of tears over my own dead set!

others are also trying, maybe different path to hell, but same result: https://xdaforums.com/moto-g4-plus/help/diag-mode-g4-qpsd-t3591683/page3
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] jayeshaupe90:
no success
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] BlackBeats:
Then jtag it go to the nearest repair shop and get the software restored
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] MK+2017:
if jtag is what i understand it to be is handing it over to Moto-the-BI*** repair shop, he can't.

his bootloader is unlocked so they are basically going to replace the board which is 80% of phone price.
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] BlackBeats:
Try some unauthorized shop local shop
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] Btrusa:
There seems to be a lot of lost IMEIs in the G4 Plus Community, I and a few others have narrowed it down to NV Data corruption, which needs a flash box or a new logic board AFAIK. Good luck mate!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S8+ Questions & Answers] lipon625:
its possible to do it like on the s7.. where you can flash the us unlocked firmware (g935u) on a branded phone like g935V
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S8+ Questions & Answers] ronj1986:
I'm hoping so. I do not have the s8+, but I've read all US models share the same model #, with a U at the end.