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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
Status update

I'm sorry it has gone this way, but I have to say we've had a major setback.

The guy who was supposed to be handling all this on the US side, talking to the lawyers etc seems to have fallen off the face of the earth. This is why there haven't been any updates on that. No more replies to PMs and e-mails. I didn't want to say this before because I thought he might just be busy, give it a few days, etc. By now it has been almost two weeks.

About the new york state guy, we have someone standing by to 'drop information on his desk' so to speak, (same with HTC HQ in Taiwan, btw) but we wanted to hear what the lawyers had to say first, so we could create a package for him streamlined with what the lawyers think are the key points.

So the question is, what now. I think we need a new pointman for the US.

Thoughts?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] KraFT_mk:
Hi all.

I was waiting for the Cruise since it was announced and I followed all the device problems that HTC made with their drivers and I can say that you are all doing a great job.

At the Mobile World Congress VP of HTC just announced thier new GPS HTC P3470.

If few reporters could start asking the questions at the events to the CEO`s and VP we should get some results or at least fresh info...

****

"The HTC P3470 integrates GPS-location into an innovative and high-powered phone that brings location-based experiences to customers looking for power and affordability," said Florian Seiche, Vice President, HTC Europe. “We are very pleased to announce this addition to the product portfolio, continuing our commitment to provide an option for every user.'

http://www.htc.com/press_room/03-press-080211_03.htm

http://www.europe.htc.com/z/pdf/misc/3GSM_Bro_06.02.08.pdf

***

Anyway, at the moment I decided to wait for Toshiba G810 Portege smartphone...

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/n...toshiba-portege-g810-windows-smartphone.phtml
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dsyro:
Maybe our pointman got bumped off by HTC hitmen :)

Just to be clear on this Chainfire, what would the "pointman's" tasks include? I'm asking because people would probably need to know before they start volunteering.

I'm also wondering if physical presence of a person in NY is even necessary at least at this stage. Maybe contacting the lawyers by phone and e-mail would be adequate. I believe that your site includes most of the data that a lawyer would need to make an initial evaluation. If a positive evaluation comes out I think that people would be more willing to get involved as plaintiffs.

But I really don't know how the whole process works in the States so maybe I'm just talking nonsense.

P.S. Btw Kraft_mk, I think you should keep the discussion on topic, this thread is long enough as it is. Plus you will find a lot of people here not too keen on news of future HTC products.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nsa666:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/103357

Big geman News-page that also links to http://www.htcclassaction.org/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dardar2:
Once you have that toshiba msm7200, maybe we can use its dll ? :rolleyes:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ponicg:
The NY Pointman(me) and the US Pointman(someone else) are quite different. I've got a few contacts in the NYS gov't that are pretty consumer friendly, but I don't have the time to work with lawyers on full-fledged lawsuit, etc. That's where the delay is, I think. Chainfire can comment further, but I'm still here and ready to help as best I can.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Please don't dissapear =) There's a lot of people that need your help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
I like the idea of opening tickets at ATI's support. I've opened 1 as well, asking them for drivers, or at least information on Imageon functionality/sctructure.. hopefully some kind of SDK that developers can use, or at least gain better understanding from.

I think more people should do it, the more exposure we get the better. It only helps us and hurts HTC.

http://support.ati.com
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ponicg:
Unfortunately for me, I work on a PC all day long. I'm not going anywhere!:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
I never said that the lawsuit was a no deal ;). I meant for someone to make an Idea that is just under lawsuit and has almost the same affects that a lawsuit will make, if you understand now, now you know what I was talking about in what I posted.

Please people we need idea's! I am only 14 so I am stuck there. . .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Surfboomerang:
maybe a little sidetrack, but I contacted ATI for a driver request

After a little discussion I got this answer:

so all HTC phone owners...UNITE and go to support.ati.com, create an account and post a driver request. Maybe.....

(I attached the whole conversation in this post.)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] deathpulse:
Well - I just opened a trouble ticket with ATI. Can't hurt - lets see what happens. This trouble ticket issue should be a sticky - so all others can see and open one. Mods?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] johnnyb138:
opening a ticket right now.... is this the first known attempt at asking ATI for the drivers? they seem the most compliant so far :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] None01:
I'm submitting one too and I would recommend everyone else to do that.

It just take a few minutes, and it doesn't kill you :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] matthijsm:
Ticked submitted :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Ticket submitted, was transferred to "appropriate department" after stardard answer that is taling about desktops..

We need more tickets!! Come one people, go and do it. Now.

If they answer with standard letter - just go there and say that it doesn't answer your question, and they will transfer the ticker to real people.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] persiansown:
Olde posted this...

Not sure how much merit it holds but...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dirlan2001:
Crossposting, I know but

Hi all,

Maybe it has been said before, or maybe I'm too late with this idea.... Did any of you take a look at a WM 5 rom for the hx4700 ? This machine has an ATI ImageOn GPU.....

If of any interest : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=335422

As far as I could check, there are some files that sound very ATI to me. I have also somewhere an official WM 5 upgrade from HP, which might be of service if need be.

Cheers,

Dirk
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Doug2873:
hate to burst your bubble, but QUALCOMM is who we need the driver /SDK from...this is very specific to the MSM7200/7500, and Ati either will not be able to develop such drivers (or due to fear of legal action from Qualcomm since they sell "tiered chipsets") or give us these drivers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
If all goes well, update tomorrow.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] meeek:
*crosses fingers*

I hope it's true because that would be AWESOME.

I can wait another month :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
What were you planning?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nick Collision:
I can tell you what it will NOT be. It will not be a link to drivers, so dont get your panties in a bunch.

What it is most likely to be is informational updates, again consolidating information, integrating new info, and perhaps providing new contacts. All of which are welcome.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
Well, I prefer commando style, but I was never expecting a driver link, I understand what is going on here. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Rockafela9:
This looks "promising". We'll see where it goes.

I can see him in March saying, "we are expecting the updated drivers to be provided by June". so on and so forth.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] private69:
For All

Hello,

opening a ticket right now....

Private69.

@+++
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rfarnell:
Ticket opened with ATI. That PDF that was attached to this thread was helpful. I just changed the phone type and a few other tidbits.

Could we put anything on the HTCClassAction.org page concerning this idea or do you think this may insight spamming/foul play?

Rob
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] swiftgs:
Re

Also submitted a ticket today! :D

hopefully it will all be solved soon... (or not :mad:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] KraFT_mk:
Yes of course!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
Site updated!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rfarnell:
I've created a Digg article based on the WMexperts article on Qualcomm and HTC if anyone is interested in raising its awareness.

http://digg.com/gadgets/Qualcomm_HTC_chipsets_and_features_An_Insider_Q_A

Rob
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
Site updated...

Peter Chou mail seems to be legit.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
SAAAWEEET!!

Man that is absolutely amazing news. Better could not be hoped for =))) You know, it'd be so funny if it turned out that HTC was actually our best friend in all of this.. and Qualcomm is sitting in the background lying to manufacturers like HTC, stealing technology from Broadcom... haha.. What a turn of events!!

Again, not saying that it's the case.. but it'd be worthy of a bestseller book novel if it were.

As always, Chainfire, excellent job. I'm sure if it all settles, there's gonna be many grateful people if you "catch my drift" ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Digitaltigre:
This is good news

I really didn't want to end my love affair with HTC! :o
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] KraFT_mk:
theinquirer

I just got an email from Tony Dennis.

He is a journalists at www.theinquirer.net for telecomms and PDAs.

He saw my e-mail where I express my anger towards HTC and all "pro" reviewers. At the same time he finds all this very interesting and he will do a deeper investigation.

I hope he will help.

KraFT
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DSmithZ28:
Chainfire, why did you take the htcclassaction link out of your sig????
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
XDA (the forum software) is *****ing about it. I'll adjust it later :) (damn, today is a busy day!)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] at10ti0n:
i was thinking about the same thing what u said... still... i keep my fingers crossed :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mindbeat:
Woho! :) Not a second late, :) was so about to sell my Tilt, but now i´m keeping it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jym04:
Awesome. This is great news..!!! :D

But I wonder why Peter Chou chose to reply an email instead of making a public statement.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
That would confirm that there is an issue. That would contradict their official statement of "Kaiser will not have drivers due to our price policy".
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] getwilde:
Normally I'd dismiss any email that was proportedly sent directly from a high-level company executive. Most CEOs don't mingle with the masses. However, I read somewhere that Peter Chou has a (very good!) reputation of sending email directly to end-users. If that's true, then it lends credibility to this claim (or at least it means I can't just dismiss it as a hoax). Have others heard that about Mr Chou?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wilsonzone:
I really hope this pan's out, I love my Tilt, just want the Tilt that I thought I was getting. :(

Everyone here has worked so hard and it just seems like dead ends.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
Few, I was waiting to see someone say that the email was spoffed. . . Wow, that is fantastic news. I think that he realized that they indeed had a problem and there was a lawsuit brewing, so at the same moment he emailed the person, he told the dev dept, to work on a driver(which I think takes about a month). Hope this will work out for the best of us, but lets not get our guard down, this could be a diversion.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] getwilde:
That's good news. I look forward to Mr Dennis' article. Device manufacturers need to be held responsible for misrepresentation of their products. Likewise, professional product review services need to be held responsible for misleading or biased reviews.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
This is good news for the XDA chat/flame/moan forum...:mad:​

BUT!! Bad new for the guys that bought the cheap 'CUT DOWN VERSION' of the kaiser called the TILT!​

Any update produced by HTC will ONLY apply to the TyTynII...​

Anyone with a 'Tilt' will have to chase AT&T for their update as it is a TOTATALLY different route... Different hardware, totally vendor supported! And HTC are not obliged to provide the updates...AT&T are...;)​
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] internetadam4657:
@ farsquidge

not necessarily. the main difference is the lack of front camera on the tilt. everything else is the same on the inside so whatever HTC pushes out, us tilt users can use it assuming that we have hard-spl'ed our devices. at least i would assume that would be the case but i could always be wrong.....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
Please quote your source on stating that there are no differences!!

Please don't work on gossip...

There were three versions of the "Kaiser' sent out into the real world from production...

a) a BETA version (that many believe was used as the pre-production for Asian and the AT&T unit)

b) A final unit used as the 'Worldwide' production version.

c) An updated 'Final unit' that eliminated hardware bugs from the 'Beta' unit.

Don't quote me on this as there are still ongoing legal aspects BUT you have to be in the REAL world to know what's what.

(Notice, not one smiley!)

H.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
How about you quoting a source for saying that HTC drivers will not apply to Tilt? I'm 99% sure that it's not the case.

Why?

Because drivers are at the level where these devices do not differ. Front camera doesn't count.

Because HTC ROMs for Kaisers fit Tilts perfectly fine (and ROMs are touching a lot more stuff than mere drivers)

Because developers here are very bright, and even if there are tiny differences that would prevent drivers to be used on Tilts, I'm sure it'll be something easy to fix.

Inside they are 100% the same. It's like saying that nVidia drivers for GeForce video card will work for HP computers and won't work for DELL. Nonsense.

Developers, correct me if I'm wrong.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
What planet are you from?? Where did I say that???

Gotta geta grip guy... Hardware differences are all I quoted...

Sheesh...

And that is NOT including the lack of drivers that we

ALL

agree with....YAAAA! Qualcomm and there teird sales policy!!! (and stupid HTC PR people for thinking they had Hardware acceleration without getting the drivers cause a US company called Broadcomm prevented it!!)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Dude, you should stop smoking weed.

Here is your post's EXACT quote:

And after that you proceed to ask for "source on stating that there are no differences!!"

So, I'm asking you to provide source for your statements.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] joshuah82:
Ha, unlike the Sprint Mogul, the ATT Tilt is NOT totally vendor supported.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
seriously? the tilt is exactly the same minus a stupid useless front vga cam. if htc provides drivers for the kaiser, it WILL work on the tilt. and if by some chance it wont, there are tons of cooks here with the knowledge to MAKE them work on the tilt. common sense
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
Exactly!! Don't take the miniscuel differences to seriously, its the same hardware just changed by the carrier request. Its the same MoBo but a few addons are off and a few visual differences, that's it. It still has the VGA camera slot its just you need to connect one(Look at the tytn or the 8525 mods that put the vga cam back).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ?Glitch:
Yes, and the US Whitehouse staff are to be waterboarded over the 1 million missing emails ... :rolleyes:

?Glitch
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
LOL!! That guy needs to get out of his hole and put them side by side. . .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] internetadam4657:
YES! THANK YOU! Somebody besides me realizes the real truth! Farsquidge, if you can prove my previous comments wrong about the only hardware difference being the VGA camera in the front via a CREDIBLE website, then I will hang up my ROM flashing hat for good and retire from the XDA site for good.

This reasoning is exactly why TyTN II ROMs will work without problems on the AT&T Tilt, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE EXACT SAME PHONE (except the front-facing VGA camera)!!!!!!! NOW STFU AND ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE WRONG! Also, if they were different phones and they were not compatible, the Tilt would have a totally different section on the forum and would NOT be grouped under the section labeled KAISER aka TyTN II.

P.S. I'm sorry if I come up as being rude, but the 1 thing I can't stand is people who think they know it all when they really don't.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
Yes, yes yes!! I know I know. . . That guy is gonna say something watch.:p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
You guys are misunderstanding farsquidge, I think.

What I'm fairly certain farsquidge means is, htc releases an update, this does not mean AT&T as provider will distribute it to its clients.

AT&T users are not able to get it from the HTC website. So many users could be screwed. Ofcourse, those who hang around here won't be, as they'll just flash the new ROM / update / whatever or if necessary someone will 'fix it up' for ATT first.

I think that's his point.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
No he was stating they where The "AT&T Tilt" and the TyTN II are completely different and the update would never work ;). I know that but thats what xda-developers is for ;). :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RemE:
I agree with Chainfire, I doubt that AT&T will put out the fix should HTC actually do something (fingers crossed). I'm sure anyone here on XDA will get fixed up, but the general AT&T public won't have a clue.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Alemaker:
hmm.

They (HTC) just released a new ATT ROM this evening,doesn't address the driver issue obviously but does fix various things like the horrid bluetooth problem, supposedly. So I disagree, they may take awhile after a fix is posted but I highly doubt that a issue as big as the driver would be passed up by one of the largest buyers of HTC equipment,ATT.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DaVince:
Stop bombarding farsquidge. Who the f*ck cares anyway? We all know TyTnIIs and Tilts are perfectly the same.

Now, my concern is.. was it mentioned on that email that this fix would include our Nike's? Polaris'? (Now that's a different hardware)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
Well, I think that they will release it eventually like the BJ. . . and the Tytn.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ?Glitch:
AT&T ROMS are hosted on HTC's servers, HTC builds the ROMS, AT&T approves them for release after they are evaluated. Once they correct this issue, it stands to reason they will add the driver to the ROMS accross the board for the QC chipset driven HTC phones (inclusive of carrier rebranded). Now my question is are they going to debug the software 3D rendering module, or are they actually going to pass the processing to the video hardware. Time will tell...

?Glitch
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Oh geez, look at us - a small mention of possible driver update in 1.5 months and we're already worrying about distribution... hehe. Starting early, eh?

Anyway.. I think we're golden. AT&T actually has been pretty good about updates.. and they're definitelly very good with customer support. At least that's how it's been for me for past 6 years (3 2yr contracts).

Whoever was talking to Mr Chou via email should ask him whether it'll be a full set of drivers or just something useless like QTV..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
Don't mention anything about video play back, just say the truth(everything).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
Thanks Chainfire, that is exactly what I meant. If anyone tried to think first before they typed, we ALL know you can flash Tilt's with TyTynII ROMS...

Trouble is the idea behind my origional post also applies to any class action against HTC!

Only people that have purchased a HTC TyTynII will be able to be cited in it and any comments/data gleaned from people that own a Tilt (or ANY vendor rebranded unit) will be thrown out of court.

You can not take out a class action against HTC if you own a faulty AT&T Tilt. Those people can only take class action against AT&T.

Hope people can get their brains around that one??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Alemaker:
:eek:

Trouble is, you didn't think before typing.The manufacturer of the phone is HTC NOT ATT. ATT bought these Kaisers-and yes these are all Kaisers (TyTNII AND Tilt), from HTC. Regardless of what is says on the outside of the phone IT IS MADE BY HTC. It wouldn't get thrown out of court because they are the same model of phone made by the same manufacturer, irrregardless of branding. And also, not that I'm a lawyer, but if this did go to court, there is the broader picture involved with this driver, as this issue affects not only the Kaiser, but several HTC models of phones.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Boinng:
Fairsquidge is right, regardless of who manufactured the phone, the Tilt is sold by AT&T as an AT&T handset, and any recourse you as a customer have is to AT&T, not HTC. Tilt customers have no contract or relationship with HTC at all, that's a fact. That's why any email to HTC about the Tilt results in a "thanks but not our problem" reply, because it really isn't. They made the phone for AT&T, but what AT&T then choose to do with it, and how they advertise is, is entirely up to them.

If AT&T Tilt customers had wanted to take anyone to court over the drivers, it would have had to be AT&T. AT&T might have a case against HTC in turn, but that would be between them.

Your Tilt could explode in a million razor sharp pieces, and it would still be AT&T you'd have to sue.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] unwired4:
At the risk of being flamed off this thread again... I did point out 100 pages ago that customers can only sue their suppliers. A class action would however simply attach all the retailers/networks who supplied branded versions of the devices.

If anything that would be the most sensible way forward for such a class action anyway as it would get the networks to apply a lot of pressure on HTC to avoid the hassle.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Alemaker:
lol

ATT could be named as a plaintiff in the class action just like anyone,as they are customers who bought the phone also.

Anyhow, just like my earlier post, it would be HIGHLY unlikely that a major buyer of these phones, ATT, would be left out of any agreement
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Alemaker:
Exactly.

Well said,

no flames from me.:p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
That would also work, but it would take time to make a case and this seems like hope, and if its true, then this will be eaiser to get the drivers than sueing. Now if we sued last year around November then we would be starting the cort session this month.

Hey I wanted them to sue but now that we have 2 options then we can do that incase this is a dud.