yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fisha21:
Sadly, there is currently only one developer still working on this, despite efforts to involve others. True, he may have built on others' work, but we still already owe him much for the time he's spent on this, when others have moved on.

I do hope you all remember your pledges to donate if/when this does come to fruition.....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Sorry to deflate things a little, but I think the 3D drivers isn't on the same path as what we want for 2D scrolling in IE and such. However, it looks somewhat accelerated in Opera Mobile, if my eyes aren't fooling me because I can see tearing that wasn't there before when finger scrolling.

I also don't think 3D is on the same code path needed for video either, so CorePlayer probably has that end locked up with their QTV support.

The best way probably is to take the path OSX took and make their entire graphics layer OpenGL/3D based. Then, instead of 'scrolling', you're just moving 'textured' polygons around, and you can then twist and other fun things with them. That's probably what TouchFlo3D is and why it exists.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
Try to run the manila on it? FPS get any better than 4? Good luck, cant wait to see more progress :)...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
True that... though I have some thoughts of my own on this that may benefit GDI/DDI 2D.

That depends on what and how. In mobile DirectX (and the last few version of desktop DirectX as well), DirectDraw is actually part of Direct3D (instead of the traditional D3D being an add-on to DD). Getting Direct3D to work (which seems to build primarily on libgles - OpenGL ES - driver) may just boost DirectDraw as well. If not, it should be possible to write a pure DD replacement using only D3D. I don't know what GAPI / GX uses internally, but I'm sure a GX replacement using DD/D3D/OGLES could be made (for example, Camera application and many older games uses GX).

Anyways, as for CorePlayer and QTV, QTV doesn't work on quite a bunch of ROMs and devices. I have already contacted them asking if there is some way we would could possibly build a plug-in display driver - just for testing if nothing else. From my own tests with CorePlayer and TCPMP, the biggest drawback seems to be scaling... and now we got hardware based scaling. Got to be possible to do something with that.

Partially my thought as well... Though this brings problems as well. There may be another trick to accelerate GDI/DDI, and do the rest like this, like I said above.

BTW, long time no IRC ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] chaps:
Any more news Chainfire? (shameless bump post)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
read my little thread i made about DirectDraw:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=404237

The new diamond roms and wm6.1 roms dont support DirectDraw. So as long as this continues, the OpenGL will not help much..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bronx:
... sorry to dig it out, but can anyone (cough, cough... looking at You Chainfire... :P ) tell us if there's any progress in bringing us the driver almighty??

second question is: do You think, that this opengl driver may help with fpsece framerate??

thanks and hope to hear from You soon, as I am turning violet from holding my breath...

br

bro
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
It's a work in progress, nobody here does magic you know :)

If there's more news, you'll get it. Right now, work is still being done on the OpenGL ES driver.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
Chainfire i am very sad, the Diamon ran quake 3 at only 1 fps. what does that tell us about the Kaiser even when we get working OpenGL?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
Feel the "little" difference if you use the button controls only vs. using the touch screen? To me this means the touchscreen routines eat up way too much processing power. I mean, missing graphics drivers is one thing, but this touchscreen adds to this picture. "Don't touch the touchscreen", so to speak.

Buster
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mregw:
I am using Hyper Dragon III Diamond WM 6.1 on my Tilt... and it appears to have working DirectDraw and Direct3D drivers.

Just ran Dynamix 3d Benchmark

Average FPS: 83.82

Min FPS: 60

Max FPS: 94

As for DirectDraw... Watched a streaming video via my wifi connection in "battery saving" mode.

TCPMP benchmarks @ 97% - 110% in every mode:

Bench Attributes:

Time - 0:54:864

Frame Rate - 32.15

Sample Rate - 24065

Data Rate - 627 kbit/s

Original attributes:

Time - 1:00.000

Frame Rate - N/a (assuming 30)

Sample Rate - 22050

Data Rate - 575 kbit/s

DirectDraw - 105.63%

Raw FrameBuffer - 109.14%

Direct - Crash

GDI - 97.02%

Overlay mode works fine.

Benchmarks in Overlay with colorkey (YV12 & YUY2) mode. "Blitting" disabled.

DirectDraw - 106.12%

Frame Rate - 30.54

Sample Rate - 23455

Data Rate - 596 kbit/s
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
DirectDraw works on several ROMs, but it's not hardware accelerated.

As for Direct3D drivers, Dynamix 3D uses software rendering with GX (I think, could be DD), it does NOT use D3D or OpenGL ES.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Girvo:
I also submitted a detailed piece to Engadget Mobile, along with links to Class Action, this forum, and all other news articles.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
Posted here from another thread...

Chainfire, is there any possibility of putting a 'selected comments' on your HTCClassAction.org with a caveat that this should be taken on-board by 'H' PR people??

I was just thinking you could select the most damaging comments you find anywhere to tag to this as 'Customer Research' that 'H' are not doing themselves.

This would allow you to give ANY comments you see fit within reason without providing technical backup and suffering any legal reaction from 'H'.

Product evaluation with the customer is paramount for future business projections and if others apart from 'H' can see this (sending to their own support site is not seen by anyone else!!) it will surely hit their share price!! :D:D:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nick Collision:
All I'm saying is that the top reviewers seem to rank our Kaisers/TytnII's as top notch. Sorry I don't have links at hand to post examples of very favorable reviews, but there are plenty to be found. Google it. Any review site worth its salt would clearly demonstrate these issues.

Is this the result of bad testing procedures? Or a result of the H company sending hardware accelerated phones only to the major reviewers and leaving us consumers out to dry??? HRRMM... ponderous.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CUSTEL:
You will all....

FAIL

That is all...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
I think this is just down to the reviewer being 'led' by PR info from the company and only limited testing!!

You have to remember that we as users put these devices through many various format testing depending on our uses and we all come out with different results but the clear picture of this device having a couple of extra functions from the original TyTyn does not excuse the fact that I can not play the same video files I had for that device on this one without degradation!! :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nick Collision:
@custel: Thank you for your vote of discouragement. Care to elaborate on our failure?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nick Collision:
I suspect you are correct, I hope you are. But given the lies, diversions, and fabrications given daily from not only "H" but "Q" and "A", my faith exists in the groundswell of users here at XDAdev.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ceevee369:
Custel, with all respect for your Rom's (the greatest here) , there is not one single reason to say that we will fail.:confused:

I am in touch with Chainfire from my home base here in Taiwan and started to contact local Media and other "sources" to prepare any further action.

When the case is strong enough (which will need a lot of consolidation work to be done and funds raised as Taiwan lawyers will not work pro Bono) it is still possible that we will

Succeed.

But yes, how can you be so sure? Ever worked with global Companies? Any idea how HTC might react if they see a camera crew in front of their buidling when a lawyer deposits a court order?

Tell us why you are so sure. it might be more than an added value.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Excellent, great job.

All we need is publicity now =) LOTS of it!! =)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
and you have already

FAILed

to exercise your brain it seems.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Blowfish64:
Yeah, I'd like to second that. Holishi is NOT the enemy here, it wasn't like he had any part in their decision, and I didn't post his quote to get him in trouble, so please don't flame.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ceevee369:
Indeed. I have email and tel nrs from 3 taiwanese HTC employees and none of them is accountable (as this is the QC department's responsibility) and can not and will not give any answer on plenty of mails i have sent.

Honestly i hope that the HTC guy will keep his job as he is neither entitled to give any reponse. Only HTC can provide a press release where we all wait for.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Zyren:
How has this only gotten 62 diggs? i think somethign is wrong. I went to the site at 61 diggs, got my girlfriend, another friend, and i to digg it, and its now at 62...

Anyways, great website. if we get this on gizmodo/engadget/tgdaily we'll be set.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mike Philippens:
Oh, de drivers are a good idea. It's just the lawsuit that makes it sound ridiculous. I wouldn't take this very serious if I was at the receiving end of the suit. A petition, organized protest and a lot of noise are more than enough for these matters.

But then again...I'm not an American... ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Doug2873:
yes, thats why you are french, and let every country walk over you...world war II, cough...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Blowfish64:
Haha, yep, definitely sounds like a Frenchman. Since we HAVE had a petition and organized protest, and NOTHING even started to change until the threat of a lawsuit, I'm so reassured that everything will be alright and sufficient because you say so.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] megaman:
In France, several internet informations pages talk about the problem since 1 or 2 days ago !

It seems that they took HTCClassAction.org as reference...

In France, there are some persons that think that lawsuit is a good thing !

We have an organisation, DGCCRF that we can contact for this kind of problem and others...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ceevee369:
CNET ASIA reports HTC problems.

:)Some HOT news to share from Taiwan guys.

I was able to get in touch with Jonathan Gardner (see Google) and it only took a few hours to get this on the CNET Asia Blog with his help. Thanks jonathan!

Spread the word. (and to be continued as this will create even bigger word of mouth)

Some content from the article ;

Do HTC phones actually suck?

HTC, the flavor of the month from Taipei, may be pissing some people off. While the company continues to build cred for handhelds (Dopod) and handsets (big in the U.S. in particular), I was just alerted to the fact that the emperor may actually be partly naked:

"Welcome to HTCClassAction.org. This site is intended to spread awareness about the issues with recent HTC Smartphones

and PocketPCs, and gather information for a possible class action lawsuit against HTC. That class action lawsuit will

be a last resort and is still far off, hopefully we can raise awareness and publicity high enough to convince HTC to

solve these issues without a lawsuit. It has however now been over six months since the first affected device was

released, and as of yet, HTC has done nothing."

While we need to wait for more evidence, this is a bit troubling.

Read more at

http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/theroc/post.htm?id=63001857

Best,

Jonathan
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omikr0n:
I am astonished how quickly this spreads. Great work ceevee369! :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mikulec:
Hi I see u r from Slovakia, just a little question: does htc have customer service in CZ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mregw:
Thanks for that information
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] qazzi76:
mregw

mregw what hyperdragon version are you using - is it the IIIs, IIIi or IIIm version?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lungothrin:
do you think these people can help at Here

they say they can build custom drivers for WM.

might worth to take a look!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Yup, it's all GAPI.

And the benchmark is the same (82.2FPS) as on Dutty's last Diamond release, so nothing special. So much for negative testing by others.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Wishmaster89:
I think that lungothrin is right and it would be good idea to contact those guys and ask them for help. Maybe with there help we could use full potential of the hardware in our pocket pc's.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] raiisak:
@Chainfire

The drivers we see in action here, is it the wery same (just hacked ofc) you posted on this forum? We played alot whit those but never seemed to get oure heads around libgles_cm.dll :D Oure conclution where to wait for a skilled getleman comming around rewriting it for oure usage. Anyaway, this is dynamite. Keep up the good work. We are all cheering for this :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
It's a mashup from files from the official Kaiser 6.1 ROM, various KS20 ROMs and various Diamond ROMs. I couldn't tell you per file where it's from, but it's one of those three. These files are then either hacked or wrapped... and that's how it works.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mregw:
RUU_Kaiser_HyperDragon_IIIs_WWE
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] qazzi76:
Thanks mregw!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mregw:
No Problem.

A little more information about my Tilt (Kaiser).

Chip: QualComm MSM7201-400mhz (BroadComm patent compliant)

OS: CE OS 5.2.19591 (Build 19591.1.1.6) HyperDragon IIIs

Radio: 1.65.16.25

Everything runs like a charm except for the camera, but I use the "temporary fix" for it.

Significant Performance Tweaks:

Use Schap's Advanced Configuration Tool to apply the following changes:

File system cache - Enabled

File system cache size - 8MB

File system filter cache - 131072 sectors

Glyph cache: 64KB

Significant add-ons:

Microsoft.NET CF 3.5

SQLServerCompact 3.5 Core

Bluetooth A2DP

Adobe FlashLite 2.1.x

TCPMP H264 plugins

JUVS HTC Network Plugin

Skunkworks FlashVideoBundle

YouTube youtubeplay

Schap's Advanced Configuration Tool

Total Commander

TomTom Navigator 7.450 US PPC

Microsoft Voice Command 6.1 US PPC

HTC FullScreenPlayer 1.05.080514.0- Needed for Youtubeplay &/or Diamond Alubm

HTC Diamond OutlookEnhancement

HTC Diamond PictureEnhancement

HTC Diamond RandomAccess

HTC Album 1.0.1030.720 (Great Album for Kaiser)

Adisasta WinMobile Torrent

Windows Live Search

Opera 9.5 QVGA port Build 1184

Yahoo! Go 3.0 Beta

ClearTemp

Granted that I only paid $99 for my Kaiser on AT&T's website (refurb NIB), I'm pretty satisfied with the Mega Device that I have. However, I would greatly welcome any performance enhancements the said drivers may provide.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] raiisak:
Thank you for the respons, guess we have to wait and see :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jed2i:
so when will this driver come out?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jyan_osu:
Treo 800W has Direct3D?

I doubt anything on the Treo 800W would help but who knows a post on WMExperts says it has D3D drivers

http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/treo_800w_direct3d_hardware_ac.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
Incoming update, stay tuned!

EDIT: Sneak preview - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg6FtbNRY_w ... Update on site in an hour or so!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ycavan:
Very Nice! :-d
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gman8966:
Oh boy oh boy!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NerdsMcGee:
Woohoo! Can't wait for this! :D:D:D:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
Site has been updated.... and will be again in a few hours hopefully :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jyan_osu:
Out of curiosity, will any program benefit from the drivers? Or is it just the fact we can run some tech demos now?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] raiisak:
hmmmm. currently on train back from the airport, what do we see in the movie? friggin connection keeps dropping on me :(

edit: nm, D3D ftw :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shmilson:
Wow!

Excellent news! That's one step for men, one giant leap for the community. ;)

Way to go! Thanks for the perseverance and hard work for all those involved.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bronx:
sweet...

I'm just thinking- now that we have a proof that hardware does exist onboard, aren't we cheated a bit by HTC claiming something different??

I believe it's a first major asset in this whole class action.

anyway... I am not in a let's-go-to-war mood, so hacked or official drivers... let me say this guys

THANK YOU

br

bro
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] snoo74:
I love this com^2unity and those guys ... so, just waiting 4 the cab. =D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rajmagi:
I would if possible ........

Btw this community does bring me in a new level of something :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kristoff_sz:
Isn't that thread should be sticked at all?

And who the **** gave less than 5 stars, making this thread only 4.

Thats shame on you asses!

I just cant wait for relase. ITs something big and something out of my mind. Cant specify it :D

Chainfire, say thanks from me to the Man, who did that thing, and say thanks from me to Yourself! Thats a great job. I also would like, to PM you soon, to ask about one thing (not about D3D).

Thank you.

Cheers,

Chris

EDIT: Can't stop pressing F5 on HTCClassAction.org... :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Wishmaster89:
I don't know if its a stupid question or not(sorry if it is :p) but I'm just curious will Touch Diamond benefit from all these drivers improvements?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] neilson:
I think you will see grown men weep tears of joy with this release. Damn, I just get angry at HTC for bringing us to this state of affairs.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
I see you are all getting excited, good!

Do keep in mind this is not a fix-all solution. The drivers are NOT complete yet and full-screen modes do NOT work yet (also these drivers only do OGLES and D3D, not DD, not GDI/DDI, not touch). But we thought it was time you guys get something to play with :)

What apps will work with it, I cannot say. OpenGL ES seems really picky, but I think most non-fullscreen D3D apps will work (haven't found the time to test a couple), but we'll leave you guys to figure all that out.

Stop pressing F5 though, it will likely be several more hours before the CAB is ready.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wim26:
This is what I thought too. This will proove htc cheated us and not a bit imo.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] amkaos:
Please use the Slashdot and Digg buttons to get up on their frontpages, we can use the publicity!

im not finding any buttons..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
Oh I didn't know that text was still in there. We removed the buttons because nobody was clicking them... :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Praygo:
This has made my day, man I'm excited... what great progress. :) Props to the smart people and the xda community.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bilbobrian:
This is just great! I have been looking forward to this for a long time along with everybody else. I knew you all could get this done. IN YOUR FACE HTC!

I can't wait for a release.

Chainfire, let us all know if you and the others need a donation for all your hard work, You rock!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] draxredd:
To quote a famous sith lord... impressive, most impressive. Congratulations !

May i humbly suggest you release the .cab with a brand new thread and suggestion/form for user feedback ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] foobar1977:
AMAZING NEWS!! Many thanks to the devs behind this. Will work continue on dd support? thats what we need for decent video playback right?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
Oh I can't wait to read all the redundant posts. YAY.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] strikeone:
solid work Chainfire :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Praygo:
will this mean manilla will instantly work?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omikr0n:
I was very busy for the last few months, couldn't visit XDA-developers and similar sites.

I came today to have a look at the htcclassaction.org (no idea how that came to my mind), only to find my name in the "Thanks to" list. :eek:

Keep in mind - I haven't looked at the site for several weeks now. And I come exactly in the day of update. Tell me about signs, intuition or whatever. (And I don't believe in such things :rolleyes: )

To be honest, I am honored. I think my contribution to the whole "driver issue" has been little to none. All credit should go to Chainfire and other people really doing the hard work.

Now to the topic: I have a little bit more time during summer, so perhaps the time has come to bring my long-living-in-my-memory D3DM projects (back) to life? :)

Be sure that I will begin testing and developing for the D3DM at the very moment you publish the CAB or update or whatever.

@Chainfire and anonymous driver developer

Keep up the great work. You made me return to XDA-developers. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
Update: CAB will likely be posted in 3 - 4 hours (really, don't ask why :D)

We will put a donation thingy next to the download, but we're not laying claim to the bounty (yet). We may do that if we get them working perfectly, but to be honest it's likely a large chunk of the people who wanted it have moved on.

May do that in the future, but not with this release I think. People can post their experiences here, though.

Seriously doubt that, as it's meant for 640x480, but I guess sooner or later somebody will try and/or succeed :)

Funny coincidence! Can't be argued your post got the ball rolling, though. Your post is also a great example of how threads can get completely out of hand :D

Happy to see you back and hope you get some of your projects launched!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
omg! omg! omg!

If these are not great morning news, then shoot me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] GenesysLV:
Man. I thought this would never happen. I have to say a big huge THANKS to everyone who donated their time and money to this. HTC should write you a big fat check.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SH4YD33:
<--- Begins cooking ROM.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bronx:
oh yeah... btw.

chainfire, mate... can You confirm, that 6.1 is a MUST for those drivers? don't want to flash it, but if it's true then I'll start backups.

thx

bro
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
Yes, it requires a ROM based on the official HTC WM6.1 update!

Note that from these ROMs we've only test on Dutty's Diamond V1.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Dust2Dust:
I shall sit here and wait... no matter how long.... even if I have to work at 6 a.m..... which I have :-/

It is 9.33 p.m. now (in Utrecht)...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kristoff_sz:
Same time here, and have to go to work at 4.30 am :D Thats gonna be a long long and "young(?)" night...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Dust2Dust:
hehehe ;-)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] the-equinoxe:
Wow !!

Wow, I am amazed.

You guys did that what HTC couldn't/wouldn't.

I saw the video just moments ago, realy great job.

Cudos to the anominous hacker and all others involved.

Now let the new era of the Kaiser begin ;)