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[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
IMEI won't change when converting to US998 and then on to bootloader unlocked and rooted VS996. And we won't discuss (forbidden XDA topic) how IMEI can be changed.

For Verizon, for any non-Verizon branded phone the best practice is to use an already-activated Verizon SIM card. So, probably same thing with a Verizon MNVO...

Actually, for Frankenstein to convert to US998 V30 for bootloader unlock, you can use any North American V30 variant -- EXCEPT for T-mobile H932. U.S. Cellular V30/V30+ is fine. Ignore the ebay sellers who say it's locked to U.S. Cellular. It's not. They are just using the same generic language for their other U.S. Cellular phones.

Did I answer all the questions?
[Moto Maxx General] schwinn8:
Awesome, thank you! Just wanted to make sure I didn't offend someone, haha! Yes, you answered all my questions!

I didn't think the IMEI changed (and I don't really want to make this happen anyway). So, if I just put in my already activated TW SIM it should work... ok. I may stick with a US998 from your previously recommended YYWireless seller, as they won't take returns if you change the software (which I'd have to do to test it).

So, with an activated SIM, they won't block me in any way even though the actual phone changed, huh? I figured they might... but this is good to know. (I thought I had to "activate" my Turbo on VZ via their website when I switched to from a Galaxy S3 a few years ago... that's why I was worried). I guess I'll find out!

Thanks again!

Speaking of which, any changes to your thoughts now that the new phones are released? (V40, Pixel3, etc?) I think I'm not interested in those, because they lose the headphone jack, cost a lot more, and have that idiotic notch...
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Yes, just remember YYWireless probably already converted it to US998 from LS998. ;) It may still be on Nougat and you will just have to upgrade to US998 20A or 20B for the WTF bootloader unlock exploit.

They shouldn't. Many others have used on Verizon LS998 V30+ converted to US998 V30+ (bootloader unlocked and rooted) then even

converted to Verizon VS996

"V30+" successfully (while keeping bootloader unlock and TWRP). And Verizon doesn't even have a V30+. :p All I can say is it should work for a Verizon MNVO also.

Google at least ADDED back Qi wireless charging to their Pixels -- when they were the first (2012) to have Qi wireless charging in the first place with their Nexus phones (may they rest in peace). But they only did it because Apple FINALLY added Qi wireless to the iPhones last year. They should never have dropped it in the first place!

Same with the headset jack. In 2015, Google made fun of Apple for dropping the the headset jack, then did it themselves in 2016. Google has lost their way. Of all the premium phones, only LG and Samsung seem to have headset jacks. And both of those have Qi wireless charging. In addition, LG has the Quad DAC for exceptional audio.

Don't even get me started on the iPhone copy-cat idiotic notches. :rolleyes: Looks like Samsung is the only one with any sense? Samsung will NEVER have a notch -- and I am disappointed in LG for caving in with a notch for the V40. At least with the V40, apparently you can "hide" the notch -- but why have it in the first place? My V30 doesn't have a notch and I'm quite satisfied with the almost-zero bezels.

I guess add "no notch" to the list? ;) Plus, the

V40 doesn't have bootloader unlock and root.

. There's no Development section whatsoever in that forum!

LG V30/V30+/V30s

1440P OLED (537 ppi)

Qi wireless charging

3.5mm headset jack

Quad DAC

IP68 dust/water resistance

rear camera OIS on normal lens - plus 120 degree wide angle lens

superfast fingerprint sensor

128GB internal storage

microSD port for additional storage

bootloader unlock and root

no notch

Just make sure you buy a decent case,like Spigen. These V30 can be slippery as fish wiggling around. Love this one.

Spigen Rugged Armor LG V30 with Resilient Shock Absorption and Carbon Fiber Design for LG V30 (2017) - Black

https://www.amazon.com/Spigen-Rugged-Resilient-Absorption-Carbon/dp/B071JV1L9Z?ref_=nav_ya_signin&
[Moto Maxx General] schwinn8:
Sorry, one more question. I'm seeing US998 models being sold on eBay, but the listings say "US CELLULAR ONLY". Is that a thing? Does that mean I would not be able to use those on Total Wireless for some reason?
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Ignore that warning. ALL US998 are carrier unlocked. That is generic language applied to other US Cellular phones.
[Moto Maxx General] schwinn8:
All right... I trust you! Pulled the trigger on an ebay listing for a NEW V30 (64GB) US998... I can return it if required, per policies stated, but hopefully I won't have to!

So, I just pull the SIM out of the Turbo, and pop it in this, and I'm ready to roll? It just sounds too easy, haha!

Once done, in order to root, I need to go to a specific version of Android? I just want to "lock down" root before they go and change/remove it later... I don't really need it right now.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
See the WTF INSTRUCTIONS I'm about to post. It's like a Decision Tree. I need to do this, I don't need to do that. Until you get to the "LET'S Go" part, where everyone is at the same point - - with fastboot flash commands and specific OREO date firmware.

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=76584629&postcount=193

Print out and read. It's not really hard, just detailed. You are already one step ahead by buying US998.

Verizon people like [MENTION=5420028]gimpy1[/MENTION] (longtime poster with Droid Turbo) and [MENTION=4993913]my.ads0[/MENTION] have done this before you and can give more advice.
[Moto Maxx General] stirlitz99:
[MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION]

I've recently changed the battery in my Droid Turbo.... and broke the GPS antenna connector from the motherboard. Nope, did not go back.

It just does not worth to have it fixed by a repair shop. :/

So I went through all possible phones to replace my loved Turbo, all and I mean all what do exist and not older than 2016. The V30 is the only one that is something like the Turbo.

2 questions. The GPS is more than important. My girlfrien had a G5. A crap. GPS is a shame. Slow, weak and never got closer than 14-15m in precision. Totally unusable.

My brother has a G6. The other crap. Signal is weak with 9-10m precision. A bit worse weather and it drops the signal.

The Turbo was fast, solid and like 3-5m precise. My other phone is a Xiaomi Mi5 and is also fast and stable with 3-4m precision. W/O using data. It is a must for me.

How is the V30's GPS performance? I use GPS Status and Toolbox to check GPS performance.

What about the blue discoloration of the screen when viewing from angle? Checked the Turbo, and it is just perfect, no discoloration or blueish tinting.

Just one more: what about real world battery performance? Better than the DT?

Thanks!
[Moto Maxx General] schwinn8:
I posted on the V30 forums, but wanted to mention it here too. We got my wife's replacement phone (V30 64GB) and the WTF thread on those forums helped get the phone up and running quickly. It's now bootloader unlocked and rooted... very nice!

The V30 is nice, very fast... you can see the difference between this and the Turbo easily. Wife hasn't really had much chance to use it (still getting her data transferred... SMS doesn't transfer automatically... many other things did, which was cool). So, I'm working on that now. Still trying to get VOLTE working, but it may be because I disabled My Verizon too quickly...

We're on Total Wireless, a VZ MVNO... transferring to the new phone to ZERO effort. Just swapped the SIM into the new phone, and it worked immediately. I still did the updates (phone was originally on Nougat)... now it's on the VS996 Oreo ROM.

Have a little more to take care of with Volte, but otherwise the phone is running great... and it was pretty easy, too, thanks to [MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION] !
[Moto Maxx General] z4ck1n:
Pixel's Brezels are ok. I find xt1225 brezels prefect. I think brezels less is useless features for me. Same goes for QI charging. Good to hv but not must. It's extremely important to have refined polish software over superspec hardware. Pixe'sl camera is one the proof.
[Moto Maxx General] pizmak:
[MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION] Do You know if there are any new phones with something like the IR sensors that we have in quark? I really like the ability to wave my hand over the phone to see the current time or notifications.

I think this might be just a Motorola feature, but since You did so much research into new phones, perhaps You know better :p
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
Not addressed to me and I'm not 100% sure, buuut.

In theory any modern phone with a proxy sensor should be able to register waves for pulsing Ambient Display. Pocket mode (pulse when proxy sensor is uncovered) itself is a pretty old concept, too. I mean, even the by-now-ancient Droid 4 could do these things, though it only had a short-range proxy sensor (so it was more of a tap-to-wake sort of affair).

The only way that the Quark really differs from most other phones is the addition of the two bottom IR bulbs, which I believe are for providing more light so waving can be registered more reliably (and in unofficial ROMs, they provide illumination for "face" detection). Even without those, the light from the sensor alone gives it reasonable range.

If you have a specific phone in mind, you should definitely go to its XDA forum and ask; even if the official ROMs for a given device don't have wave/pocket detection, it's a pretty good bet that CM/LOS/derivatives do. Most developers/maintainers are pretty good about getting the most out of the hardware they're working with.

Of course, if you're asking about official ROMs only, well...that's a whole different bucket of fish. Manufacturers in general seem to really like limiting their phones by offering a specific set of features and advertising them as if they're something super-special, instead of simply offering everything and letting the user choose what to use. A good example is the Quark itself: they were so fixated on making people like and use the proxy sensor setup and Active Display, they didn't add an option to enable double-tap-to-wake, something our hardware obviously supports. Granted, Active Display is really neat, but having the choice would have been nice.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Someone got their hands on the Nokia 9. It's locked in blocky case so they couldn't see exactly what it looked like but they were able to get specs, take pictures with the phone's camera, etc. Has headset jack, capacitive buttons, seemed to have aluminum body.

French site, use Google Translate:

http://www.frandroid.com/marques/no...-presentation-impressions-et-caracteristiques

5.3" 1440p AMOLED

Snapdragon 835

4GB RAM (at least this prototype has that). There may be a 6GB RAM version.

Looks like it won't have the Carl-Zeiss rear camera or either the software is not optimized yet.

This other site says:

http://www.knowyourmobile.com/mobil...al-lens-camera-qhd-display-snapdragon-835-cpu

But I don't know where they get this information. It's NOT mentioned in the French site.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Andy Rubin’s Essential Smartphone Could Be Announced On May 30

https://www.androidheadlines.com/20...-smartphone-could-be-announced-on-may-30.html
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Why couldn't Rubin make the Essential better -- especially with the advantage of starting with a clean slate? The Essential Android phone is a LOSER, especially in light of other 2017 Android phones:

* No 1440p

Only 1312p which is ALMOST QHD. For the money they are charging, should be full 1440p. I've had 1440p AMOLED since 2014, and I'm not downgrading. Even Apple is finally going to 1440p this year.

* No headset jack

You can have headset jack AND still use Bluetooth earbuds if you wish. It's not either/or. Also LG and Samsung both proved you can have IP68 water/dust resistance and have 3.5mm headset jack. There's no reason to omit this functionality.

* Battery way too small for the display size

Don't say use is "optimized". Give me a larger battery first, then optimize all you want to make it BETTER. Lesser spec "budget" phones this year have 4000 mAh (Moto C Plus), even 5000 mAh (Moto E Plus) batteries. I have 3900 mAh on my 2014 5.2" 1440p AMOLED Moto XT1225, so it's not hard for a competent manufacturer to do. Nobody is begging for credit card thin phones, while everyone wants a larger battery. Again, for the money ($700), why are you skimping on a battery?

* No front-facing stereo speakers

* No IP68 water resistance

Nor any water resistance whatsoever, when this is becoming standard, especially in 2017.

* No Qi built-in wireless charging

This phone has a ceramic back, in spite of the "titanium" claim, so would have been very easy to include that feature. Even Apple is adding Qi wireless charging this year, LG has added it back, Samsung never dropped it. If I have to plug a mod in for some kind of wireless charging then that prevents other mods. BUILT IN Qi wireless charging.

So, NO sale.

It’s not hard to include all those specs. Why won’t someone do it?

All we want is a an UPDATED "regular" sized Moto Nexus 6 (1440p AMOLED, front-facing speakers, Qi wireless charging, headset jack) -- but with a bigger battery, like the 2014 5.2" 1440p AMOLED Moto Quark which has a 3900 mAh battery. (Yeah, Motorola gave the smaller phone the BIGGER battery.) As I said before, phones with lesser specs this year have 4000 or even 5000 mAh batteries. It's not hard. Throw in IP68 water resistance. Done.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
If this Nokia 9 has Qi wireless charging, it actually looks like a good follow up to Quark. 5.3" 1440p AMOLED. 4GB RAM, 64GB internal storage. Even has capacitive buttons. They are keeping 3.5mm headset jack. Stock Android.

http://www.desinerd.co.in/nokia-9-specifications-leak/
[Moto Maxx General] santi1993:
In terms of dimensions over performance, the only one choice of the list is the galaxy s8, while maintaining dimensions outperform moto maxx.

There are phones on that list that cant even win the screen-to-body ratio xD
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Others are saying 5.5" display (may be the capacitive buttons are messing up the measurements?)

Also sites are showing not only 4GB RAM, but also 6GB and 8GB tests. So looks like some variants? The Nokia 9 may come in different variants?

Unless you know more than me, you do not know the screen-to-body ratio of some of these phones.

What is the screen to body ratio of the Nokia 9?

What is the screen to body ratio of the 2017 Moto Z2 Force?

Those phones have not been released yet. Last year's Z Force (Verizon exclusive) was 70.3% screen-to-body ratio compared to the Quark's 70.9%. If Motorola improves that on the successor Z2 Force (which will NOT be a Verizon exclusive) even just a little, then it matches or passes the screen-to-body ratio of the Quark. That is, if the screen-to-body ratio of the Quark is your standard?

(Caveat: I know Motorola has to keep about the same physical dimensions of last year's Moto Z/Z Force for the mods to work. I also know the Z2 Force will have the same 5.5" 1440p display measurements. So, this year's Z2 Force will probably also be 70.3%. But we don't know about the Nokia 9. The Nokia 9 and Z2 Force are #2 and #1 on my list, and neither have been released yet.)

That is an important spec (screen to body ratio), in my mind -- but the Galaxy S8 doesn't automatically win my money just because it has the largest screen-to-body ratio of this year's phones. Yes, the S8 does have Qi wireless charging, 1440p AMOLED, headset jack and the Exynos variant allows bootloader unlocking, so it has good attributes -- but still I want to wait to see what else is coming. I am very ambivalent about Samsung. I would have to disable a whole bunch of Samsung crap, like Knox. :rolleyes: If other phones like the Nokia 9 or the Moto Z2 Force have equal attributes and bring other things to the table (bigger battery?), they may be more desirable to me.

All these phones will have 1440p AMOLED, Snapdragon 835, headset jack, more RAM, even rear camera OIS. (Quark doesn't have rear camera OIS, which was a glaring omission even in 2014.) So, all these phones this year have equal or better performance than the 2014 Quark. This year's phones (with Snapdragon 835) are the first set of phones that I feel clearly surpasses the excellent Quark phone. Still, that doesn't mean I have to buy any this year, I can always wait another year.... Next year's LG G7 will have 1440p AMOLED.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
They've now revised that to be the TA-1012, from the TA-1004. See here:

NOKIA 9 (TA-1012) WITH 6GB RAM PASSED FCC; 4GB VERSION CANCELLED???

http://nokiamob.net/2017/06/17/nokia-9-ta-1012-with-6gb-ram-passed-fcc-4gb-version-cancelled/

But very strange they only have LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 7, 38 and 41 for U.S. They are missing LTE band 12/17, which is very important. AT&T and T-mobile both use that. (Band 17 is a subset of band 12. T-mobile uses LTE band 12. While AT&T historically used LTE band 17, now AT&T is also using LTE band 12. For phones like the XT1225 it will still show up as LTE band 17.)

I don't understand the strategy of having MOST of the LTE bands for AT&T and T-mobile but not all of them.

Also if they ever wanted to sell their phone in Latin America countries, you need to add LTE band 3 to that mix. LTE bands 3 and 7 are most used in Latin American countries. So, why do you have LTE band 7, but not LTE band 3?

Add LTE band 3 and 12/17 (besides the bands you already have) and then you have all of North and South America right there. You know? :rolleyes:
[Moto Maxx General] Raistlen0:
They also have this verbiage after listing the bands "This device contains functions that are not operational in U.S. Territories; this filing is applicable only for U.S. operations." Maybe that means it has others not used in the US ?

Maybe need to check with other countries equivalents of FCC for filings by HMD global Oy.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
OK, so it might have LTE band 3, just not listed for U.S. FCC. XT1225 was like that with FCC listing. But still I'm confused why not LTE band 12/17 if they intend to sell in U.S.
[Moto Maxx General] Syberkonda:
I just don't get why they don't sell a single model with all of the LTE bands and call it a day.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
I agree, and it's changing somewhat. But the reason was the carriers wanted to make the money for hardware that ran on their networks. Verizon in the U.S. has a strange LTE band 13 that no one else uses. So, they didn't want AT&T and T-mobile phones to have LTE band 13, because otherwise you could bring an AT&T LTE phone to Verizon without having to pay Verizon for that hardware. :rolleyes:

It was a BIG deal when the Google Store version of the 2014 Moto Nexus 6 (sibling to our 2014 Quark) could just run on Verizon. Stick in a Verizon sim card and it ran. You could unlock the bootloader, root and everything. (The Verizon version of the Nexus 6 had locked bootloader, of course.) That same year, the same thing happened with the 2014 U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250. It was identical in every way to the Droid Turbo XT1254, even the same FCC ID -- and same LTE/CDMA radio bands. You stick in a Verizon SIM card and it ran on Verizon just like the non-Verizon Nexus 6. And you could unlock the bootloader easily on the Moto Maxx XT1250 (clone of the Droid Turbo).

There are some phone manufacturers that are making "unlocked" almost-global phones. They are trying to appeal directly to consumers and not go through carriers. ZTE, for instance with their Axon 7. It has a huge swath of LTE bands -- even the Verizon LTE and CDMA bands, but isnot sold by Verizon. But even then, they are selling three versions, U.S., Europe, and China.

Europe: LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 19(800), 20(800), 28(700), 38(2600), 40(2300), 41(2500)

U.S.: LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 12(700), 13(700), 17(700), 20(800), 25(1900), 26(850), 29(700), 30(2300), 41(2500)

(The U.S. version also has CDMA bands which the European does not have.)

Why couldn't they combine all those bands and just sell ONE phone to the world? Because of market territories. ZTE has North America offices and they have European offices. If they all sold the same phone, you would just buy it where it's less expensive or has better warranty, and the other sales operation and personnel would be redundant.

Yeah, for a consumer it's frustrating when you want a "global" phone. Last year, LG released a FANTASTIC smaller 5.2" version of the LG V20 and it had waterproofing. The LG G5 was a disappointment (silly mods) and I think the V-series is too big, but this had all the V20 specs and MORE, and was a more reasonable size.

What's the catch? It was for Japan only and didn't have U.S. LTE bands. THAT was the phone LG should have launched to the world, instead of the crappy LG G5.
[Moto Maxx General] fungo45:
I've been using my Moto Maxx for over a year now, and still love it. I got bored with it at one time, but adding some new ROMs has brought it back to life.

During the time I've had the Maxx, I've tried three other phones - Moto Z, LG G5, and the ZTE Axon 7.

I bought the Moto Z because Best Buy was basically giving it away last year for $120. But it was a Verizon version, so I sold it quickly as I am on AT&T. Beautiful phone and thought the mods were great. I thought it was great to be able slap on the speaker mod, and then take it off when it was not needed.

The LG G5 was a similar story - Best Buy was selling it for $120 earlier this year. Never really liked the phone. Just felt cheap. The hardware was fine and it worked fine, just didn't click with me. The mods were worthless, though I liked the ability to swap the batteries.

As for the Axon 7, I loved it. I just got it last week, and within 24 hours I killed it. I was on vacation and my little nephew fell off a fishing pier, and I jumped in after him. For the day I had it, I thought it was great. The size was perfect, the screen was beautiful, and I loved the front facing speakers. Beautiful phone all around. I might look to buy another.

Until then, I'm back to my Maxx, and I'm okay with that. I might not have the same passion for it that ChazzMatt does, but still view it as a great phone from almost every perspective.