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[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
But with our Motorola Quarks and other phones, those two are tied together. You often cannot get root without unlocking the bootloader. I know you know that, but just putting it out there. So many times in the Droid Turbo forum (before Sunshine, and even after Sunshine because they didn't want to pay), many people said "I don't WANT to unlock my bootloader, I just want root!". Well, guess what... :)

LG phones in the past have been different. There have been exploits in the past to allow root, TWRP, ROMs installation on the LG models like the LG G2 and LG G3 without unlocking the bootloader -- I installed TWRP and ROMs on several AT&T 2013 LG G2 and 2014 LG G3 bootloader locked phones -- but those methods have been thwarted now by this ADB flash commands removal and other security measures. Even with "bootloader unlock" on the 2017 T-mobile LG G6 and LG V30, there's still no root.

Yes, right now only the "open market" LG G6 (North America US997 and Europe H870) have bootloader unlock, root, ROMs, etc. You can go here and see:

LG G6 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Development

I alluded to this before -- but someone claimed to have rooted the Verizon LG G6, but for their own reasons chose not to publish the method. All I can say is 7 months after release there's no published root for any of the carrier-branded LG G6 due to LG's removal of the ADB flash commands. I'm not going to buy a phone I cannot root on Day 1. I'm not going to buy a phone HOPING I will be able to root it someday.
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
looks like root has been achieved on the XL... but you probably already knew that....
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
I did. It was only a matter of time. Google phone = dev phone = yet another reason why I'm on team Pixel. My replacement 2 XL gets here today! Hopefully it's relatively issue-free. I'll post all the details (manufacture date, blue shift presence/severity, presence/absence of black splotches on screen when viewed through polarized sunglasses, functionality of fingerprint scanner, burn-in) when I have them.
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
so it appears that VZW is ramping up for Black Friday. recently, they ran a promo where you get up to $300 on a trade in for the Pixel 2. That stopped briefly, and has now been replaced with 50% off - not a huge difference (just $25 extra) for the 64GB 5" model. i called to ask them to sweeten the pot, but didn't get much (50% off accessories - yay)

but when I called them today to in inquire (playing dumb), they offered me 25% off for the Turbo ($162 value - certainly more than what I would get on swappa).

still holding out for 2 more weeks....

the great advantage of this phone is that I'm not pressed to get a new one, so the deal has to be what I want (and more importantly, what I can afford).
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Verizon version can't be rooted. It has locked down bootloader like all Verizon phones.

https://xdaforums.com/pixel-2-xl/help/verizon-locked-bootloader-t3691313/page7

You have to buy from Google if you want dev work.
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
right.... but just putting out there.... I've read where some have gotten theirs from Verizon and were able to unlock it. I'm thinking that it could just be a random device (50/50 shot) or booting it without the SIM card.... but I certainly plan to test before I buy.
[Moto Maxx General] NepoRood:
When the first gen Pixel came out, the Sunshine team cracked the Verizon bootloader rather quickly. It was so easy, they released the exploit for free. It was quickly patched and no longer works, which is why the Pixel I got from VZW a few months ago went back, I couldn't unlock it.

Since jcase already had an unlocked bootloader, he saw no reason to try and get around the patch. I don't know if he will get a Pixel 2 or not (I can ask him later), but, if he does, it won't be the XL, he has a strangely high hatred for everything LG, lol
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
One shipping delay and delivery to the wrong house later, I finally have my replacement Pixel 2 XL. Here is all the info I can think of.

Model: G011C (Pixel 2 XL Just Black 64 GB)

Manufacture date: October 24th, 2017

Blue shift: Present, but not awful. See attached photos. The photos make it look slightly worse than it is.

Black splotches when looking through polarized sunglasses: Not present. After reading a few forums though, it seems like that issue was caused by certain screen protectors, not by the screen itself.

Fingerprint scanner: Way better than my old one. It hasn't failed to recognize me yet, and I did a bunch of tests of both index fingers.

I am now officially happy! Not with FedEx though. They suck.
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
I recently added the Google Pixel 2 to my VZW cart online, but did not check out. i then get a text from some sales rep nearby telling me to book an appointment to chat about the great items saved in my cart. to me, this is a clear violation of my privacy as i never authorized VZW to contact me like about deals/sales opportunities. so now, the question is, which course of action do I take?

A.) delete the message and move on with my life

B.) reply back and tell off the sales rep

C.) contact VZW and complain - maybe even start a class action lawsuit

D.) reply back and see what kind of deal the sales rep can get me

depending on my mood, I may go with option C.
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
I'm sure you probably agreed to let them do that in some TOS that you agreed to at some point.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
I know with Straight Talk MVNO, the TOS had all sorts of stuff listed, but then there was an item near the bottom that basically said "We'll do what we want, and we're always right. Even when we're wrong. Deal with it." Of course, stated in verbose legalese. ;)

I dumped them after a year and never looked back.
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
yup. I did see that somehow there were checkboxes selected for contacting me on deals/sales. however, I have never received any until then.
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
so seriously, why not consider the Samsung Galaxy S8?

root is available, has wireless charging, 3000 mAh battery, 3.5mm headphone jack, and is $350 off at Best Buy
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
I would only get the Exynos version. The snapdragon root version has 80% battery charging limitations, right? And latest updates block that root, right?
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
Not sure. Will continue to research and may try.
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
Played with it at best buy. Not bad. Installed adhell, and worked perfectly.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Three bits of news.

Ordered

my first LG V30 yesterday

. To qualify for the LG $400 Visa gift card I will need to order the 2nd one (or any eligible LG device -- but I'm buying a 2nd LG V30) within 45 days. (You have to pay for the first by December 2 to even get in the game, then buy a 2nd eligible LG device within 45 days of the first.) To clarify, it's technically pre-order since that "open market" US998 model is not yet released, but it will qualify as a purchase since I paid in advance. B&H Photo (the authorized retailer) says so. I'll have it in hand within two weeks, as the phone will ship on December 5.

Both the European H930 (64GB V30) and the H930G (128 V30+) were added to the

LG bootloader unlock list today

. The "open market" (officially carrier unlocked) US998 will be added sometime after it's released on December 5. Took 3 weeks for the H930 to be added to the list, after it was released in early November. So, probably just after Christmas for the US998 (the phone I ordered)?

Oreo started rolling out for the South Korean LG V30 carrier models

. Hopefully others will follow soon.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
None of the ones you list have built in Qi wireless, and most don't have headset jacks. The Moto ones can have Qi wireless with larger battery --

with mods, but that's a ripoff. Motorola gives headset jacks to the lower budget Moto Play (1080p, Snapdragon 6XX) but not the alleged "top tier" Moto Z (1440p, Snapdragon 8XX)? They also give larger battery to the lower budget Moto Play, but shrink the battery for the more expensive Moto Z. Pay more money, get LESS features? I've given up trying to figure out Motorola.

I do like that the HTC has stereo speakers.

Same criticisms as above... I'm not going to downgrade my specs with a new phone. :p

But look at this:

LG V30+™ | Unlocked

US998U Unlocked

http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-US998U-Unlocked-v30-plus

See specs at that link, but

Snapdragon 835,

bootloader that can be unlocked,

64GB (V30)/128GB (V30+) internal memory,

4GB RAM,

dual cameras in back, with rear camera OIS

Qi wireless charging,

quad DAC, headset jack,

almost zero bezel design, 6" 1440p OLED

IP68 rating

Not totally perfect -- needs a better front camera, stereo speakers, 2GB more RAM -- but it checks off enough boxes to replace my Quark. I not LOSING anything, not downgrading any features.

V30 (64GB internal storage) unlocked for North America (US998) and Europe (H930) was released, and Europe models (H930 64GB, H930G/Italy, which is a V30+ 128GB model) has already been placed on the LG Bootloader unlock list. There's already TWRP and root. North America model will soon be placed on the list.

LG should release the unlocked V30+ (128GB internal storage) soon. I don't know why LG can't just RELEASE a phone. They stretch things out for MONTHS. I wanted to buy TWO LG V30+ for me and my wife -- but I was forced to buy a V30 I did not want, just to qualify for a $400 gift card before the December 2 deadline. If the unlocked V30 was available by December 1, why is the unlocked V30+ not yet available? :rolleyes:

I will buy a V30+ (as long as LG releases it within 45 days of my first purchase, to fulfill the $400 gift card requirements), but I really wanted TWO. There's only $50 difference in the two models, with double the storage. So, I'll give my wife the regular V30.

Anyway, bootloader can be unlocked, works on Verizon if you care.

And there's a T-mobile network menu that seems can be enabled via root, for those obsessing about T-mobile's new LTE band 71...
[Moto Maxx General] mrkhigh:
Thanks for replying in the proper thread.

Sadly, the htc's are probably pipe dreams. I really like HTC and would have bought the u11 over the v30 but to each their own.

I will most likely have to choose from Verizon's website.

I feel the z series is gimmicky but I also feel the z2 beats the pixel. I also am pretty sure I'd get the battery add-on.

I'm not a huge lg fan and to get a high end lg without an unlocked bootloader is not going to be one of my top choices just yet. That and I do not believe it is an option.

I have no idea when my next phone will be supplied, but I suspect it will be soon.
[Moto Maxx General] Hlcpereira:
LG for me is same as trash. After the problems with the LG devices and LG of Brazil is such a big motherf**ker ( actually same as other manufacturers). But about the devices, that's is the way some people have went. From what I observed, they look for a phone that in have a great battery, a good battery backup and a powerful hardware. Mi5s Plus, OnePlus 3/3T and OnePlus 5/5T handle this easily. You have your preferences and I don't disagree with you since I have mine too, but that's the truth about Moto Maxx users, same as me. And I think you're the only one quark user that is looking on that way, looking for a device that you won't lose anything of quark.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
OK, got mine tonight. Picked it up from the UPS store. B&H Photo charged me the $819.99 (the reduced rate). I couldn't remember if the price had changed yet when I ordered. Still need to call them and see if they'll price match Best Buy $799 (even though that's actually a higher price when you factor in tax). ;)

Yes, still has the plastic screen protector on it.

I probably won't really get to mess with it until this weekend. Not set up yet, of course.

And then I need to buy a second one (LG V30+) by January 10.
[Moto Maxx General] Nitefire77:
I got myself a Galaxy S8+ for $350 off at bestbuy with no trade in required ( I still have my Droid Turbo, and play with my turbo still)

My impressions? TouchWiz has come a LONG way, where it's actually not an eyesore and is snappy and quick. Substratum support is wonderful, and for having a 6.2" screen it is nearly the same width as my turbo.

Oreo is coming soon for it, I have the Oreo beta flashed on mine, and bloat free unlocked version firmware.

I recommend checking it out

I know most people are skeptical of Samsung's due to TouchWiz, but they have worked hard to fix complaints about it

Also, it has a headphone jack
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
(Posting here, so it won't be off topic in the ROM thread...)

Yes, I'll keep my XT1225 as backup phone. And my wife is still currently using her XT1225 daily.

Still waiting for LG to place this "open market" US998 phone on the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list, like the European H930. Took three weeks for that one, after release. So, probably a few days before Christmas?

Unless they wait until after the "open market" V30+ is released... My wife will then be given this phone and I'll take that one.

I wanted to wait until root was available before buying this phone, but LG is just taking too long to release it.

They released the unlocked European H930 in early November, then waited until December to release the unlocked "open market" North American US998. (Not the U.S. Cellular model, the one eligible for bootloader unlock.)
[Moto Maxx General] dwh2o13:
Great! So the us998 is the American factory unlocked version - V30+? Just want to make sure I will be looking for the correct version of the phone..
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
V30 US998 "open market" has been released early December. V30+ US998 "open market" is available for pre-order.

These are ONLY sold by authorized retailers, NOT by carriers. U.S.Cellular model is the exact same model number, but theirs will not be eligible for bootloader unlock. LG checks the IMEI.

So, don't trust resellers on eBay, because there's no way of verifying. I bought mine straight from B&H Photo, one of the authorized retailers specifically noted on LG website. I have also preordered the V30+ from them.
[Moto Maxx General] dwh2o13:
Yep.. I've gone through B&H before for my v20 and N6P(pretty good purchase experience on both). Glad to see that you got this device and hope you're happy with it. Your choice on this phone pushes me a bit closer to it for sure. Hope I haven't bugged you to much today... look forward to continuing the discussion as you test out the phone... Have a good one! :)
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
They also retroactively price matched Best Buy $800 price, even though with had it was really more expensive than B&H Photo $820 (no taxes, free shipping). In GA, Best Buy total price would be about $848. Still, they gave me a $20 refund when I asked...

Very nice.
[Moto Maxx General] AZTimT:
My wife got each of us an S8 Active right after they came out with AT&T. If it was unlockable with more rom freedom it would be a great replacement for the Quark, albeit larger than I prefer. I just heard yesterday about a Vernee Active coming out that seems pretty interesting, but I don't know how well it would work trying to put it on Verizon.

http://www.vernee.cc/ is the page for it if you too haven't before heard of it.

Edit: I am still using my 64gb quark for a business line with verizon as it provides better coverage where I live.
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
couldn't agree more. my first device was the Samsung Droid Charge - horrible! the S8 is really a great experience (aside from being too tall).

however, I probably will not root until they stop updating the device. despite all of the bloatware, battery life is great. I'm able to block notifications on apps I don't want to see. That, coupled with some great rootless tweaks and adhell, this is an ideal spot for me.
[Moto Maxx General] Aimless Rambler:
First, thanks for an excellent and informative post! I'm on the verge of replacing my quark but not quite ready to commit. I've been an LG fanboy for a long time (just recently relinquished a Nexus 5 I had 3 years) and considering I'm relatively poor limits my choices. I generally buy older, proven devices, how I ended up with the Droid Turbo (among others I've bought broken and repaired) and though I throughly love the performance, it's time is nigh as a primary device.

So given these few facts what is the general consensus on the LG V20? For an affordable option.
[Moto Maxx General] dwh2o13:
I've had the LG V20 for a few months now and have really enjoyed it. In fact, I plan on rooting the device here maybe later today or tommorrow.. I like this device for many reasons, but here are just a few.

- The display ended up being far better than I expected going to an LCD.

- IR blaster

-Expandable storage

-REMOVABLE BATTERY ;) Yes!

-Camera is great especially if you like shooting in manual mode

-And lastly, the second screen. I, like many people moving to the v20, thought it might be a bit of a gimmick. I can honestly say that I've used it far more than expected and it is one of my favorite features.

I was a bit concerned with a few reviews that claimed the phone got a bit laggy after a few months of use, but I have not noticed that at all. They are getting really reasonable in price considering the phone is only a little over a year old I think. I purchased the open market, factory unlocked version(us996). That's the one I would recommend.
[Moto Maxx General] Aimless Rambler:
Thanks!
[Moto Maxx General] NepoRood:
A friend of mine just sold his for $240, mint condition too, his only complaint was hardware issues when building/running custom ROMs. Said he was never getting an LG again, lol

There are several on Swappa though, for around $200 +/-
[Moto Maxx General] Aimless Rambler:
Good information to know.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
My second LG V30 arrived last night -- actually the V30+ with a 12/2017 build date. The 128GB black LG V30+ is much better looking than the 64GB silver LG V30!

Not a great picture of the two, don't have time for showcase shots. :)

Just finished setting it up this afternoon.

About to buy a 3rd one, another 64GB LG V30 for backup. A friend bought one from B&H Photo ($800 price match with Best Buy), then bought a 2nd LG V30 ($800) to get the $400 gift card and wants to sell it. Still new in the box. She only ordered it after she realized she needed to buy another. She says she'll split the $400 gift card value with me and sell it to me for $600... That would bring my average cost for all three to $643. That one should also have a 12/2017 build date, since she just ordered it last week.

So, my wife and I will have the V30 and V30+. Then have another V30 for emergency backup. At that point, I will probably sell all but one of my Moto XT1225 phones (or may give it to my brother). Already sold one of them on Swappa a couple of months ago (the one brand new that was still in the box), but still have two. Will keep one so I can stay active in those threads, but don't need two.
[Moto Maxx General] dwh2o13:
"Your killing me Smalls" :) I can't really make up my mind on my next phone, but your black V30+ looks great even with the pic quality. I've got the V20 and the development side seemed to slow to a crawl early. Trying to figure out a plan for funds though. That leads me to the following question.

What do you think I could expect to recover on the sale of my XT1254? Mint condition really. I've always had a case and screen protector on the phone.. It's the blue nylon back, don't know if you can tell from the pic. If I could offset a bit of the cost it would be nice.
[Moto Maxx General] NepoRood:
PM me before you list, strong chance I'll take one or the other, I miss mine and too much work to get it fixed :good:
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Couple of months ago I sold my 3rd XT1225 on Swappa, which was mint still in the box for $210 (Swappa took $10, I got $200.) I could have gotten more, I probably underpriced it. I had just listed it, was still uploading additional pictures when I got notice it was sold. I saw others had sold for about $180, but mine was still new in box.

The guy who bought it was great, it's just he lucked into a very good deal -- or he quickly recognized the value being offered and jumped on it. He said he reads these threads.

If you go to Swappa, you'll see historical pricing. eBay will also show you actual sale prices in the "finished" sales search, prices the phones actually sold for, not those listed and never sold.

Here's my listing:

https://swappa.com/listing/RPX437/view

Feel free to borrow any of my description of it all help you sell your phone!

Someone right now has an XT1225 to sell for $150:

https://swappa.com/buy/moto-maxx-unlocked

I used Swappa because it's the XDA partner, and I figured users there are more informed.

I've used ebay many times in the past, but I figured not as many U.S. eBay users would know the value of a Moto XT1225.

However, you wouldn't have that issue with Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254.

But XT1225 won't work on Verizon, as it doesn't have CDMA nor LTE band 13. (LTE bands 2,3,4,5,7,17) The Wi-Fi will still work of course. Or you just want it for development purposes?
[Moto Maxx General] dwh2o13:
[MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION] Thanks for the information. I may very well sell the phone if I can get the right price. I still have the box and some brand new accessories to boot. It's a great phone and I've been meticulous with it. May I follow up with you after the Holiday? Have a few questions. BTW.. Happy Holiday Season to you and yours. [emoji319]

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Will certainly do that sir!
[Moto Maxx General] NepoRood:
Yes, I have 2 working phones and may be picking up a third. Or maybe just get the 1254 mentioned...

Thanks, I appreciate it
[Moto Maxx General] Raistlen0:
Why is band 71 not listed on the specs?
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Because only the T-Mobile variant has that right now. My post you quoted explains the carrier unlocked model can probably get it once rooted.

Do you not see the T-Mobile hidden menu folder?

Sent from my official carrier unlocked LG V30+ US998
[Moto Maxx General] Raistlen0:
I did see that but didn't think that they would only advertise it on the specs for the T-Mobile version. The FCC documents would probably show this though, right? Also does the V30 have root?
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
The European H930 and H930G has been added to the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list and have root, TWRP. "Open Market" LG V30 US998 (only sold by authorized retailers like B&H Photo, Best Buy, Amazon) will be added soon and will also have root.

T-Mobile made a big deal how you had to buy their branded hardware to get that new band 71. It's not guaranteed we will get it with root on the US998 -- but between that T-Mobile network folder in the hidden menu and perhaps flashing T-Mobile radio over the rooted carrier unlocked model, there's some possibilities.

No other phone (Pixel 2, Note 8) has it either, if that makes you feel better.

Sent from my official carrier unlocked LG V30+ US998
[Moto Maxx General] kitcostantino:
except S8 Active. ;)

speaking of tmobile and the quark, did anyone ever experiment with trying a droid turbo to moto maxx conversion? id really love the ability to pop my tmobile sim into my xt1254. ;)

on topic, i still think axon 7 is a great transition device coming from turbo/maxx.