yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kapollo:
glbench results

I run the glbench (comm. edit.) on keiser with the 29/07 drivers and well it run, and the results are in the file atteched (sorry it's a bit unformatted). What is courious about them is that some of the functionality is described as failed/unavailable well ok but lights ... hmm
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PH03NIX-ZA:
djboo and mycell, what version ROMs are u using please?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] djboo:
romceos 4.1 beta 1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Total Memory: 0x01040000 (17039360 bytes / 16.25MB ) SDRAM

BusInterfaceMode: 2

InternalMemSize: 0x00040000 (262144 bytes / 256K) SRAM
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jasthom69:
0x40000 = 256kb

Hope that helps
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kraize:
Yep. They run at 520mhz :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ernest33:
:) Oh the "light.exe" demo...it's beautiful. Oh and "Manilla" these rotating numbers...

All that with a Dutty Series V1.

All the demo work very well (triangle GL give me 51fps) :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MarkanthonY:
This may be of some help

http://www.dynamixsoft.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=29

I ran this 3d benchmark test after dling the 06.22 driver release and got on average 77 fps and it ran the test in full screen. Maybe someone could figure out how their 3d engine works on our kaisers and develop the full drivers for the full screen.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Yes, it's called GAPI meaning software, not hardware, 2D. GAPI has been deprecated for quite while now for DirectDraw and D3D.

Of course deprecated is nothing but words from MS because they don't force their OEMs to support DD/D3D in hardware like GAPI was.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
what? kaiser? 520mhz? what device are you using?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kraize:
Yep. Kaiser. Well AT&T Tilt. But what's the difference? I usually run it at 624 Mhz. HTC Performance :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dyetheskin:
thought the kaiser was unable to be overclocked
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Details on overclocking please

Althought I'd hardly recommend OCing it when using HSDPA - battery will die. It can't even handle HSDPA in hot weather, it stops charging due to overheating.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
I tried that HTC peformance cab and it doesnt really overclock it. It didnt really make my games faster. It's ment for the 6800 (and im not sure if that even works) but it would be nice if a developer on this forum is able to get it to work on the kaiser.

Unless you can record a video showing GBA/SNES at full framerate (or atleast frameskip of 1) with sound support, I wont believe it lol. I already tried that .cab. unless there is a newer version?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
DDI 3.55 patch

This is a bug-patch for those running L26v9 with DDI.dll version 3.55, and basically anybody else too until the next official HTC-CA release.

Just unpack and drop it into your \Windows.

File Type: zip	ahi2dati.zip (4.1 KB, 263 views)

edit:

attachment removed as it is now integrated into latest HTC-CA drivers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpope:
Sweet. This did it for me. All the test apps work for me now...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kraize:
Which emulator shows the frame rate? lol. I don't use it often. I haven't played it in a while. I'm addicted to WarFare :D so if you can tell me a good emulator, I'll gladly take a ss.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PH03NIX-ZA:
Works!

Aww!!! Thank you so much NuShrike !!!

Now the benchmarks are all 'visible' and run completely smooth with triangle 'down' to 52 fps. I don't notice any change in portrait / landscape switch speed, but that's probably because it's so fast already. It's the same as the touch pro as in a youtube video of it.

Interestingly raw framebuffer in tcpmp is up to 84% from 71.77% with DirectDraw up from ~42% to ~44% and GDI remaining about the same I believe. Could just be some massive random/systematic error in the test cause of the way I run them (i don't run the whole video nor do I stop the test at the same place each time).

TomTom 6 feels about ~10% faster, but thats just most likely a placebo from the other tests running successfully.

Do you think that if I where to dump all the possibly relevent dll's from ROMeOS itls still work?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
any of masterall's emulators (from modaco) show framerate. PocketSNES PicoDrive.

I recommend Finalburn (a MAME emulator). It doesnt show framerate but it's a matter of being smooth or not. Try Metal Slug with sound enabled. on my kaiser it lags but on my girlfriend's pantech duo it's as smooth as can be!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
These don't use D3D, DD, nor OpenGL, but instead GAPI as far as I can read in the source, and the binaries. Maybe some part of GAPI is broken in the newer roms.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] deuzeff:
Hello NuShrike,

it did the trick for me too, it works on my L26V9 :-). All tests (except Text 3D) working fast and well !

One stupid question: how can one close the triangle or cube test? it's fullscreen :/ w/o a closing button.

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpalo:
Working fine on official HTC branded WM 6.1 ROM. Although I cannot really see any difference in device responseness in general. E.g., portrait/landscape changing still takes 3 seconds.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] FabX:
Sorry but I can't understand using this driver what application can I speed up?

I'd like to have a fluent "program" scroll... what useful if I see a 3d cube rotating?

Maybe I missed something
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pyraxiate:
You rock man. Just as a note, this also worked on my tilt running Garmin DK1 Final :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PH03NIX-ZA:
For the triangle you just tap anywhere in the middle of the screen and the engine will stop, tell you your average frame rate and then u can close that. For the cube though, I still havn't found out, so I just use the task manager and 'guess' where the program is in the list (since it always refreshes on the screen and covers everything else up) and close it there.

Im probably gonna flash the second tytn II with ROMeOS 4.1 somewhere in the weekend
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Restorer:
Installs and works well on the newly released Orange UK 6.1 official update *except* for the text - which appears as multi-coloured blocks. I assume it is supposed to say something and move?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PH03NIX-ZA:
Ya, the text still doesn't work on my tytn II yet, so what is it SUPPOSED to do and what is it supposed to test?

Im also guessing it's obviously 3D, but what part of the hardware is it supposed to test?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Martinhdk:
READ THIS: http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php#update_20080729_1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dragonfyre13:
This is specifically for the drivers as they are under development. Essentially the test programs check out specific parts of the D3D drivers. The D3D drivers, when used in real applications power your games, or anything else that does 3D rendering. Once they get the D3D drivers working with the test programs, it's a small jump to get them working with standard programs. As it stands now, they likely will work with a lot of 3D programs, rendering them on the hardware instead of software, thus speeding up the phone for 3D operations overall. The reason everyone is giving attention to these programs (like the spinning cube) is that it is a proof of concept that 3D rendering is working, which is a HUGE leap from previously. This really is amazing work, going from nothing, to something like this.

You say that you want programs to work and use these drivers, but we're not up to "production quality" yet. As of now this continues to be an in development effort. I'm sure there will be a huge announcement when 2d rendering, 3d rendering and openGL are completely supported. In that case, all of your applications will take use of the drivers, and work much faster, and more efficiently.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PH03NIX-ZA:
Sorry, but theres no mention of text that I can find, only tube and triangle.

unless the text is part of a GLBenchmark suite?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mycell:
3D Drivers

Hey thanks NuShrike, that last patch worked I can now run the tests on my tilt.

3D Demo App: plays with cube in the center of the screen with a yellow ball orbiting around it.

DLLCheck: gives me Dlls check finished

Lights:

Driver

Desc

Id:0

Ident:00000000-0000-

0000-0000-000000000000

Name:

Vendor: 0

Hardware Rast True

Hardware T&L: True

Using video Memory

Cylinder turning in the center of screen

Triangle test gives: 51FPS

I am running the unofficial AT&T 6.1

3.55.502.1 WWE
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nenadr:
Just tested 29.07. drivers on Stock HTC WWE 3.X.405.0 ROM and everything sitll works (like 22.07. worked also) .... Triangle still on 51 to 53 FPS, and 3DText still not shown ..... Tested with GLBenchmark and FullScreen Portrait mode works OK (although it has some delay in upper part of screen in fast movement sceenes), but FullScreen Landscape mode (Dinosaur Test) was very very slow.... it seems that there are still some problems with landscape mode. Also there were tests that didn't showed anything on the screen, but GLBenchmark finished.

Attached are results.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PH03NIX-ZA:
Alright, I installed ROMeOS 4.1 on the second Tytn II and it behaves the exact the same way as my L26 v9 Tytn II with the latest driver cab and dll patch as in TomTom 6 doesn't go any faster and the portrait / landscape toggle doesnt go any faster because of it (though the ROM makes it go much faster then even my L26 v9 ROMed Tytn II, even after loading it with all the extended apps and even more apps. so great ROM) though trangle for example is the same fps of 53, so thats great.

The Radio I used is NEON 1.58.25.17 (as HT recomended somewhere in his thread) and the SPL I used was 3.28.

As TomTom improved for you, what radio and spl are you using, (if different at all) djboo?

It could just be a different version of the ROM though
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
awesome! what makes the patch so it's compatible with 3.55? I'm guessing this isnt possible with DDI.dll version 3.14?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] moegdaog:
yea..works like a charm 3.55 .dll for L26 V9 ROM...Sphere spins now and triangle does its thing too..eh has anybody tried doing a new Magician vs tytn ii TT7 video yet with these new driver thingies? see if the magician still beats this phone in route demo mode?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
How come this has got glue on it again?

Has a Class action started or a Moderator change?

Soz, been away for some time..

Would really like to see some closure on this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] daedric:
I'm not actually sure that i understand your point of view...

Actually... i don't understand nothing from your whole post.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
Err. Thread title/result!!!

This was removed from stickey from inaction so has something developed is what my question revolves around as most would notice!!

Why are you pondering??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nick Collision:
Read the new posts in this thread. It was re-stickied due to the attention revolving around actual drivers in development and testing here at XDA.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rfarnell:
I'd previously read that the recommended SPL for ROMeOS 4.1 is 3.56 and the radio 1.65.24.36 or 1.71.09.01
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drutort:
well i finally gave up my dutty rom, and went to the romeOS 4.1 with niki 1.58.21.23 radio and hard spl 3.29

at first i couldnt close the apps, then i applied that ahi2dati patch and it let me close the demos with the x/htc taskmanager

i got 53fps on triangle too, oh and on the first demo named d3d demo (d3d) you can use the directional keys to spin fast/slow far/close etc... :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drutort:
everyone please go to http://www.jbenchmark.com

go the section for the benchmark and customize it with all cpu 2d and 3d stuff, then create account and upload your results :D

there are some 3d tests that worked, car race and fps shooter one :)

im not sure if they use opengl es, some of the high and med quality failed :(

so the fps is going to be low looks like by my results, because we do not have other 3d and 2d support, and the opengl es is not open for public only for private? wonder who gets there hands on that benchmark?

some other things to try?

https://sourceforge.net/projects/glutes/

works if you get the one with the sample and have the .dll and .exe in same folder, fps goes from 10-20?

also havent had chance to try this..

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=87506
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
hmm, I just flashed laurentius' v9 again, and these drivers do not seem to be working. I tried nushrike's .dll, but still no luck. only some of the demos open, and the ones that do either don't close, or run terribly slow...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kaasaanfiets:
It runs verry slow on my tytn2

i running the l26 rom (ROM version: 3.55.502.1 WWE) ((Radio version: 1.58.25.17))

when i load the triangle its more like its running 1 frame to every 10/20 seconds. that is when it doenst softreset itself or when it is completely stuck and needs a softreset.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fjc3:
try re-doing the patch. I am also using L26 V9 and it is working perfectly.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Isaygarcia:
GLBenchmark works!! (not too well but it does!!)

L26v9 *With ahi2dati.dll patch*

:( the dinosaur runs slow as hell :(... (GLBenchmark : OpenGL ES 1.1)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PH03NIX-ZA:
Oh, ok, I'll probably try those next. Just for proof I read those recomendations on post #506 over here on the official ROMeOS 4.1 thread here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=411692&page=51

But then again I didn't read the whole thread so I probably misunderstood something

So thanks for the heads up.

I'll try http://www.jbenchmark.com when I have the time, seems like it might be very interesting to compare results on a consistent and unified results database. Just make sure you provide your ROM, Radio, and SPL in a description if you are provided with one, and if the benchmark doesn't pick that information up.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drutort:
ya thats what i had, but now i have to rerun all the tests as i was use a noncompatable radio with my rom that i had freshly flashed ;) so now i hope things will be diff, GL benchmark after running and after that dino crashed and reset the phone, so i hope that doesnt happen

im going to rerun the http://www.jbenchmark.com as well, all of those so that our phone has some data at least on that site ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
that did it

ooh, look at those flipping numbers :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Have you guys ran Futuremark stuff before? Graphics benchmarks aren't meant to run fast especially a HD one.

Mikeey, just fixes the math that tries to figure out where to copy data out of DDI.dll. Kinda hard since DDI.dll keeps changing size between versions.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drutort:
no i havent tried futuremark stuff

but that first Jbenchark 1.0 hmm either its not working right but i got almost 21000 the highest score on that site was 15000 O_o

the other results im getting pretty good compared to what others have posted in the processed tests so drivers + cooked rom is helping a lot ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] FabX:
Ok. But is possible to use this alpha-version driver to test some real applications?

Is also planned the develop of a 2D driver?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pyraxiate:
Testing Real Applications

"What has also changed is full-screen compatibility. A hack was applied that fakes full-screen mode using windowed mode, this now allows GLBenchmark to run. Theoretically it should also allow full-screen D3D apps, but this has not been tested yet (we're sure someone in the discussion topic will do this)"

2D Development

"To elaborate further, these drivers do not accelerate video playback. These drivers do not accelerate normal Windows operation. Some of you have asked if we have abandoned accelerated 2D. We have not, it may still come. The simple fact is, that in this particular case, it was easier to work with the 3D drivers first."

Please, dont ask silly questions . . . . . . all of your answers are here. You just have to look.

In case you werent sure, or didnt see the link the many times its been posetd....

http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php#update_20080729_1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Fared:
I would say that the community needs a Stickey'd FAQ about the current state of the drivers, but I somehow doubt it would help...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pyraxiate:
Yes as that would imply people would actually read the FAQ first . . . . . . . . . . Which you and I both know the first thing new people do is hit the Post button in the threads . . . . . . . .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] herg62123:
i have tilt funning at&t wm6.1 version 3.55.

the cab dated july 29 either doesn't work or it over works the d3d and gl.

what i mean is triangles-doesn't move but when i tap the screen it shows 348 fps

lights runs choppy

d3ddemo locks phone up and i have to soft reset

so any help would work out please
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
have you tried this:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2472633&postcount=2212
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] FabX:
256 pages to understand driver development state of the art are too many for who,as me,didnt't read posts from the beginning!!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ASCIIker:
My first post...hope its useful for the driver's progress !!!

this is my first post so i'm gonna try to be as helpful as possible...

machine specs:

tytn 2 store bought unlocked from pakistan in may this year...4GB microsd card...minimal frills, essentials like resco, opera 9.5 beta, coreplayer, googlemaps...default htc home...no extra plugins except those unlocked by kaisertweak

came with wm 6.0...i upgraded to official vanilla 6.1 about 2 weeks ago after hardspl 3.58 i think (by the way, has htc's own RUU that ships with the ROM download EVER worked for ANYONE? :confused:)

i tried the july 29th driver cab and test apps...results were mixed after the first soft reset (might have been because i didn't yet know exactly how to close all the test apps :eek:)...a bit more consistent after the second soft reset (i think my opera 9.5 beta crashed in this particular session and may have still been running even though htc's task manager didn't show it)...and NOW they are totally consistent...EXCELLENT JOB and keep up the good work ! (fingers crossed) :cool:

D3D Demo: works !!! seems smooth and i like the D-pad interaction (~30fps estimated visually)...haven't figured out how to exit this app so i do a screen rotate using a hardware assigned button and then i use the vertical band that stays on the side because this app doesn't follow the rotation...on the vertical band, i can just make out the htc task manager X which kills the app nicely

Lights: works !!! seems very smooth...probably ~40fps...starts with a bunch of message boxes...first message box has zero filled values...hardware rasterization: true...hardware t&l: true...using video memory...bam! it works!

Triangle: works !!! consistently reports 50+ fps...i've had trouble closing this app sometimes especially when i forget i'm supposed to tap it to exit...my fingers naturally head towards the htc X more than i'd like...

Text3d: starts fine...i can make it exit ok...but the text is all blocky and unreadable...i can make out about 11 lines of blue text followed by one line of red text followed by 6 lines of white text...but thats it...its not readable at all

all in all, great progress! excellent forum! XDA has been a HUGE resource for this first time Windows Mobile user :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
I dont want to be the devils advocate here, BUT!

You have a phone that performs all the demo's very well....

Have you any SW or applications that are benefitting from this?

What I'm trying to say is, IS there actually anything out there that has been written to specifically use the 2D, 3D or whatever acceleration that has not been enabled here?

Please remember, if SW does not use specific calls (most use standard WM calls and no effort of redirection will change this) it will be no different!

Just askin....:o
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
What a difference from advocating changing one DLL/registry entry back in the day.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
As you say, being a little careful here and ASKIN!!!

Ya see, people like you shot me down for just ASSUMING this had a difference...

Have you any positives for a change??? Are you just here to flame???

As a reference http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2473186#post2473186

:p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Anybody have/know of a Toshiba G810 rom as official RUU or dump? I believe there may be something to be mined from there for 'official' GDI 2D acceleration.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] djboo:
tomtom is massively better, COD2 is partially better, pretty much anything that uses opengl CM is better. ES stuff isnt helped (such has Quake 3 and tony hawks 2 - hardware version)

the biggest difference is manilla...from 4 fps to at least 15. so nearly 4x better. yes the orig software has to support one of the driver supported API's (OpenGL CM and D3d i beleive) but its still a million times better than what HTC gave us.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Isaygarcia:
Destinator 7 Works a lot better with it :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drutort:
i did run the futuremark benchmark but, for some reason with pie it could not logon to post/view results gave some server error :( i didnt try it with mini opera though (copy link and past and try to logon there)

the truck demo in it was some what cool :) reminds me of what 2001 bechmark? ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] moegdaog:
People that have L26 V9.....use this .dll patch...put it In your /windows folder and just to make sure, also place a shortcut of the .dll in the htc ca driver folder in your device/program files folder..then run the .dll checker, then soft reset. Then go to the htc driver folder in your programs and run all the other test. Everything should work and give u ur information. Me personally I didn't place the .dll in he windows folder but I just put it in the drivers folder in the program files folder in my device then ran the dll checker and walah...the triangle spun around, the boxes did their thing and so on...but im having trouble closing the items and end up reseting my phone both times I've tried the test's, supposedly u can still pull down ur task manager and close the app normally or in landscape mode but I think u must rotate the screen first before u do all the test.

Also has anyone tried to do the magician vs the kaiser part 2? to see now with these new drivers, if the magician can still beat the kaiser in a tomtom route demo? Somebody needs to do tis ASAP!

...if anyone has an easier way of closing these apps plz repeat and tell some of us that are only trying to read the last ten or so post's in the 200 + posts plz that would be great.