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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wilsonzone:
Chainfire

This is uplifting news. I waited for a long time for this phone to come out and it wont hurt me to wait alittle while longer for some GOOD results. I hope the drivers are what this forum is expecting and not some quick patch to calm us down for awhile.

I really appreciate all you have done to help all of us here !!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] getwilde:
Okay, I misunderstood. Sorry, all, for the controversial post.

Wow, very interesting! I wonder if this was a public 'interview' or just an informal discussion between Dr Seiche and the author of the article.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mindbeat:
woho :) nice article! That rocks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nick Collision:
Thats good enough for me!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] joshuah82:
This is great news if it's true. But there have been a few moments like this over the past couple months I've been keeping up with it. Hoping it's true. I am going to buy mine at the end of March. Drivers or no drivers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
Not like these there haven't, at least not for me.

If you're keeping off buying, I'd say wait to see how it plays out :)

Even IF they deliver the drivers... who knows what will be fixed and what not? :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] joshuah82:
Yeah, but it's hard to pass up on a device THIS connected whether the scrolling is smooth or not. With ATT it's either the Tilt or the Treo 750 and the 750 just doesn't do it for me. I am definitely appreciating all of the hard work you and others are doing for the community though. I'm fairly confident it's going to make a difference in the end.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nick Collision:
If they deliver a portion, just the video issues, that may get us a lot closer to fixing other issues ourselves would it not?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ladytoast:
I agree, very good news if true.

I have been using the beta of opera 9.33 (which is brilliant even in this early release and will certainly be purchased) and it makes all the difference in the world having a fast fluid movement on this phone, it's a joy to use. If the whole system could be like that we would be looking at a class leading phone, as we all know. It would be due to the hard work of key members of this forum. Nuff respect.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
completely depends on what/how... impossible to say until the drivers are here :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] aksd:
Bad news, they'll only optimize video playback and not release drivers. Thats whats posted on engadget :(

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
I think I called it. :P I wish I was wrong.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] grandpareza:
I just went on an emotional roller coaster from the earlier article and now this one. I wonder if this is what bipolar is like...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Tupac_Shakur:
we should just proceed with the lawsuit unless we get the drivers, not some patch. If this is the case, keep the lawsuit on track please.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ekw:
wow lame! i bet you there just going to throw out some optimized caches with windows mobile and call it a fix.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nick Collision:
Speculation is that they may only be enabling the QTV enhancements into their native media player applications like CorePlayer did. If that is the case, then I'll be grossly disappointed.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/02/18/htc-cooking-up-faster-video-for-affected-devices-no-drivers-i/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] met3ora:
Well, looks like we haven't made too much of a difference if that's all their planning to do. The worst is that they can now say they've done something about it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
If this is the case, then the video playback problem can be removed from the classaction website. however there will still be much on the website, like the touchscreen bug and gaming. htc will still realize these problems exist. they will still get the complaints.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nick Collision:
We wont know until we see the goods. But the Engadget post implies it will not be a major update.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
They never post their source, or source it here when they speculate. Engadget is always late to post things like this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nick Collision:
You are correct that Endgadget.com is often not on the bleeding edge, and not first to post corrections nor sources.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
They are usualy wrong about stuff like this that people know more about here.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] KraFT_mk:
Damn!

So much drama those days for me!

I decided yesterday (with a little help from Mr.VP Dr. Florian) that I will get the Cruise today.

I just have no choice I must get something very very soon.

And now this!!

TyTN II owners, put your cash back in your wallet -- for a minute, anyway.

!@&^@&@^%#&

Damn!

Kraft, peeling a banana with lots of drama...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ceevee369:
THAT is what I (and many others) feared for. No drivers, but a .cab fix? Can not be true.... :eek:

Hope shrinks to make this TytnII "top notch"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] FloatingFatMan:
As long as it fixes the performance of the device, does it REALLY matter so much if it's not via the driver we want?

All we've been wanting is a device that doesn't respond half an hour after doing something. If they can do that without a driver, fine; but it has to sort out ALL the performance problems...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] KraFT_mk:
***

Source: Independently, though, we've received word from HTC that that's not quite true.

***

This is what 90% of people were afraid from and thats more than enough to create a Brazilian soap opera or drama like this one :eek: ...

KraFT
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] noyz:
I can be satisfied with a .cab fix as long as it actually fixes the problems.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
They need to get their facts straight. . . . . they are causing people to pre-give-up and then sell their devices. . .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
I think it will fix other problems, like bottlenecks. They are cleaning up other messes to make the phone run fast. I think they should do both.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] noyz:
Why don't they take the damn donation money and pay for the rest of the drivers themselves. Jesus f*cking christ this is so frustrating. Dancing around and ****-dicking is getting them no where and just making the customers more angry and impatient.

Buy the damn drivers, release the damn drivers, move the hell on.

/rant
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
Haha, you said **** dicking, becuase the money hasen't been collected. If they did the donation the smart way they would have ahd it in a paypal account or something and that would have actually encouraged developers, but seeing as we can't beleive everyone's word then they probably backed off becasue it will usualy be half of what the total amount is(some people wont pay or pay less).

Plus no one wants to pay HTC anyways because they sold us a unit with out the needed stuff so why pay them? Pay an indipendant developer from here, thats who the donation money was intended for.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jon_k:
I'm still waiting to pay the amount I offered. In the thread I believe it was $50?

Still waiting. I don't have to worry about not paying -- because nobody seems intent on taking the bounty. I'd pay if drivers were released, but it's one of those things that people will not develop unless paid up-front. It's quite a hunk of money, if I knew it were possible without requiring internal specsheets -- I'd develop the drivers myself.

Unfortunately, I think there's things you have to know about the chipset, it probably requires intricate knowledge of Windows Mobile, and I'm not a programmer.

My money still stands. At this point I'd withdraw my offer and put it towards a lawsuit against HTC in a heartbeat if it was required. Fortunately class actions are usually free.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] private69:
Driver Update

Hello,

This is a new french site who annonce that Htc who announced that will make driver video.

http://www.mobinaute.com/126670-htc-promet-drivers-video-smartphones-touch-dual.html

Private69.

@+++
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bamse:
I believe it also applies to the original TyTN.

Right?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] unwired4:
Do you really think that a worldwide unlimited licence to provide said drivers would be available for a few thousand dollars?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Boinng:
Translation

Here's a typically bad Google translation -

I'm hoping that the reference to March 'next year' is either a mistranslation or misunderstanding - and it's encouraging that the HTC Europe guy is actually quoted as saying "driver" - albeit in french presumably.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] calarfe:
A little translation :

Mr CHOU hopes that the drivers will be available at the end of March. And Mr SEICHE says that the drivers, that will allow (edited : graphic) video acceleration, will be available soon.

Hope this helps.

edit : I correct my translation, SEICHE said "video acceleration"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nebc100:
Drivers should be available "at the end of next March"

Hello,

I just want to clear up a comment that has been made.... the translation of the french website was badl translated. It should have read that the drivers should be available at the end of "next march" not "march next year".

We don't have to worry that we will have to wait more than 12 months for the update. (So long as HTC come good on this comment) :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] draxredd:
also, this article is only a recap of all that has already been said here and there. nothing new at all.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Boinng:
I must have missed something, but this was the first time I'd seen a direct quote from an HTC exec that specified *drivers* were on their way. Everything else I'd read was second hand/unconfirmed (or stated that the patch wouldn't contain actual drivers at all).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
Well, lets keep our guards up and hopes up. If this does get released by March HTC is back on my list but, then I will sell my Tilt when the SE smartphone comes out(after people who will benchmark it say its ok). I like HTC, but I don't want this to happen to me again, I just trust SE more.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Digitaltigre:
I totally agree. If there's one lesson to be taken from all this it's not to fall for great marketing tricks and skimpy reviews. We need to know how to avoid falling for this again. Is there a website or a benchmark that can tell us what’s really going on? These reviewers seem so enthralled by the handsets they review that they don't give us a real world view. Did you ever see any review of the Kaiser include any negative feedback? I didn't. So this is the question. Where can we get realistic, reliable reviews/benchmarks of devices? If a place doesn't exist, have we just discovered a need that the Internet doesn't yet fulfill? Maybe a new site is needed?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] neilson:
HTC MAKES THAT PHONE TOO!!!

(queue Evil Laugh)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] corleno:
it looks like everyone fell for this device without doing any research :)

guess i wasnt the only one
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Zman28SS:
Actually, I'm sure we all did research. The problem was that all our sources(the reviewers, HTC, and Qualcomm chipset pdf) were completely misleading about the device. This is the main ammunition for the lawsuit. Had I known the performance issues were that bad before purchasing it, I would've kept my Wizard until the next wave of "cutting edge" devices were released.

Like the picture says on htcclassaction "TYTN II *drivers not included" would've been all the info I needed to put my hard earned money back in my wallet.;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fb.knight:
i love that pic lol its hilarious and i for one did my research and still got screwed
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
They just make it not develop the phone its self. I knew that already. They are a manufacture of phones, meaning they will MAKE the phone by the clients specializations and their own(Flawed software). SE Will control what is in the OS and what it will need to enable the hardware.

Shutting off Evil Laugh tape. . .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wizzzard:
Actually I did research available reviews, unboxing vids etc. prior to ordering my Vario III on its launch. The trouble is most reviews were based on preproduction hardware/firmware. Pauls review over at Modaco from June 2007 doesn't mention poor scrolling in PIE, poor FPS in Camera app, below Par video performance, lack of 3D support but it does state it is a review of preproduction hardware and ROM.

<Quote>..

In conclusion

So there you have it. I've been waiting a long time for my dream machine to come along, and I thought the Kaiser was it. And it seems I was right. As ever, i'll reserve final judgement until I have the final device... i'm pretty comfortable saying that the Kaiser is going to blow everyone away when it hits the shelves. I wonder how the competition and even HTC themselves are going to better it (although of course they will), and take my hat of to HTC for their achievement.

It's quite simply awesome. Don't use your upgrade yet, start saving the pennies, forget the iPhone (and the Touch) and put your preorder in for THIS device. You won't be disappointed.

Paul's HTC P4550 Kaiser Pros and Cons

Pros:

- Massive specification

- Great keyboard

- Great camera

- Attractive yet functional and innovative design

- Buckets of RAM and ROM show Pocket PC in it's best ever implementation

Cons:

- Quite heavy

- Not VGA

- No FM radio or TMC

</Quote>

Pauls review is typical and no more or less misleading than any other I found at the time. I am guilty of extrapolating my own performance expectations coming from a Wizard 200Mhz 64Mb to Kaiser 400Mhz 128Mb with latest/greatest CPU and chipset. The device does not provide the improvement I was expecting.

Yes I hope HTC addresses the performance issues but I am aware that there are many reasons commercial and contractual why we may never get a satisfactory outcome. My main worry is that Qualcom have produced an underperforming CPU/chipset and that all the drivers in the world will not solve the issues we are having. You cannot make a silk purse from a Sows ear.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] private69:
New driver

Hello,

An another french web site who announced that htc will make new drivers :

http://www.ultimatepocket.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3560&Itemid=41

Private69.

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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rachidnl:
I think what we now see is quite typical: tech websites copying each other's contents and/or basing their stories on what's been said in this thread.

The best thing would be if an official media outlet would make a call to HTC Taiwan, ask for the PR and Communications department, and tell them that confusion has risen in the community about an e-mail allegedly sent by CEO Peter Chou, and that verification is needed on whether this e-mail is authentic.

Where's Ashleigh (iirc)?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] calarfe:
Same for me. After been trapped by SE and its calamitous P990i, I did a lot of research and been f.....d by all these blogs lying to please all the manufacturers and been sure to have all their future products :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] calarfe:
same than above :rolleyes:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
I like HTC, but people are jumping off the boat to get to the island to quickly and jumping too conclusions to fast. Lets see if this is true, and lets keep are guards up. If this turns out to be fake lets just sue them and let hell break loose Rambo style(the new movie was awesome).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dsyro:
I'm soooo tired of this story. Nothing's moving. I feel like I'm in a video desert looking for drivers and every now and then I hear people shouting "Look! Drivers, DRIVERS!!"... "naah, just a mirage..."

Sooo tired... I'm considering peeling it HTC's logo off my phone for 2 reasons: Firstly I've come to hate HTC with a passion. Secondly, I feel like I'm advertising HTC to people who have never seen a WM device in their lives and think that the Kaiser looks supercool!

I don't care (anymore) if they release drivers or not. I'd me more satisfied to see them going down than to get drivers for a phone that will soon be outdated and that I'll probably replace in a year or so anyway. But they can kiss my ass if they think that releasing drivers will restore all the frustration they have put us through (1000 different answers from their customers services, conflicting official statements, unconfirmed rumours they're happy to keep hanging over our heads, etc, etc)

A bit strict as a position? Maybe.

But the reason I buy WM phones (and the concept behind their very existence) is that they're supposed to make life easier (and bits of it more pleasant) by offering so many features in such a small package. They're supposed to help you do business, organise yourself, save time, carry information, make your time more pleasant, locate yourself, etc. They're not supposed to add stress and frustration!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Welcome to beautiful world of mega-corporations and technology. They go together as bullsh*t and diamonds.

Well, HTC's French CEO or whatever officially stated that drivers for video acceleration are coming.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PhilipL:
Hi

Spot on, it's all based on one email forwarded to someone else that has not been verified to be genuine. The same viral marketing that had us all believe the HTC Tytn II was going to be so brilliant is the same viral marketing making many think a fix is on the way.

As for the report from Dr. Florian Seiche, well the website doesn't quote it correctly for anyone to read the news item and understand what it was exactly that was said and by whom. If the drivers are really coming, why are HTC not shouting about them on their website? Some wishful thinkers may say they don't want to confirm anything in writing too soon in case of problems, but if that were true their CEO's would also be properly briefed to keep mum as well.

Until it's on the HTC website, it will do you as about as much use believing these reports as reading a Qualcomm specification sheet on the advertised chipset of said phone and expecting what you read to be what you get.:eek:

Regards

Phil
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ineluki:
That class action website really needs an RSS feed...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Boinng:
It's very possible to be too cynical and too sceptical - when actual high-ranking HTC personnel are being quoted all over the web on this, the only thing I'd expect to see on the HTC site is a clear cut denial, if the story were untrue.

Why would they put out a press release on the site confirming this story, when even their last press release - stating that no drivers were coming - was never posted on there either? The only comment on any of this on the website is a shareholder's briefing stating that they're not liable on the issue.

The only question mark as far as I'm concerned is whether there are actual drivers coming, or just a general performance patch. Frankly, I'd still welcome the latter, although like everyone else I'd prefer the former.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] getwilde:
That's a great idea, Glitch.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
Wow, that video is awesome, will be posted to the site. Any more comparisons coming up? :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] FloatingFatMan:
I'll see what I can do at the weekend, when I have more time. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] undac:
wow, that's a "great" video so to speak, HTC needs to see that ASAP!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gogol:
FloatingFatMan, thanks for the video :) It is indeed showing the poor performance of HTC Kaiser.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
FloatingFatMan's video and Gotanius' video now on-site.

Edit: Gizmodo France posted it, it's time some other big international / english site picks it up!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omikr0n:
****! I thought TomTom is supposed to run like that. Goddamit, you really know how to spoil one's mood. :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omikr0n:
I've submitted news to www.engadget.com . Hopefully they'll pick it up.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ahson:
I didnt realize it was the driver issues that was causing this problem, i thought it was just that my phone couldn't handle tom tom..

if this problem isnt fixed soon, i am never going to buy an htc product again...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
Hmm seeing as people didn't know TomTom was not actually supposed to run like that, I will add this information to the page.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mrmega:
This is great! Once again great job chainfire.

In appreciation for your efforts, the efforts of our community and willingness to put my $ where my wants/heart is I have donated to the htcclassaction.org site.

I also pledged in the bounty thread early on as well as making a private donation to chainfire some weeks back.

chainfire has helped lead the way, throw him a couple of $'s or euro's or whatever if you can, donate to the htcclassaction.org page or whatever you can do.

Above all, help to contact HTC and spead the word to the tech community about our issues, but please be civil & polite!!!!

If we all continue to be professional courteous and absolutely committed to getting results, we all can make a difference.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] FloatingFatMan:
It was probably the first thing I noticed about the TyTn II; although alas not until I'd had it more than 2 weeks and could no longer return it to T-Mobile. :(

I used to run TomTom regularly on my Magician, with an external bluetooth GPS, and it always ran as smooth as in the video. Seeing how jerky it was on the TyTn II rather shocked me!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] giojoe:
A++++

Thats for the guys who say this is a "business" pda!!! :D

EDIT:

I've sent an inquiry to a professor of laws at Harvard University. Hope , we get some good news
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
Ok I've managed to squeeze TomTom in there in a few places :)

Maybe I should also send TomTom a press-release :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omikr0n:
Not a bad idea. Especially since TomTom

IS

included in TyTN II's software package. (It was al least in mine.)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omikr0n:
Look what I've just come accross on HTC's site: http://www.europe.htc.com/z/pdf/press/PR_PDA_EssentialsAwards_EN_261007.pdf

Almost disguisting, if you ask me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
My sentiments exactly. I know why they won though:

- the hype

- support from service provider

This together makes them sell much more devices then their competitors, which is why they get the most votes :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mike Philippens:
That doesn't mean it is a good idea...a lot of people thought Stalin was a great idea too...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
You made me spill my drink :D