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[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
OK, just didn't know if you knew with the 2017 LG phones "bootloader unlock" doesn't mean what it should mean, with all the ADB commands removed in the V30 and LG G6 -- especially the T-Mobile model. We would get it explained on page 1 and then have to go put out another fire on page 12. ;)

"Hey I unlocked my T-mobile bootloader!"

(Then the usual nonsense, "pictures or didn't happen" comments -- even though we TOLD people it could be unlocked but it wouldn't do any good. Having to explain yet again the ADB commands had been removed, etc. This is stuff we told them even BEFORE release.)

This is why the T-mobile LG G6 (with "unlocked bootloader") has 23 page pledge thread still begging for root, and the carrier unlocked version of the LG G6 has two PAGES of ROMS and kernels. Tons of dev work. Will be the same for the LG V30.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
The LG V30 is lighter than the Note 8. People in the V30 forum have commented on that, for good or bad. IF you want heavier you can always add a case. Maybe add metal weights in the case, the way Beats did to make their headphones seem more "premium". Tear downs found metal parts in the headphones just to add more heft, to fool people into thinking they were "better".

BEATS BY DRE HEADPHONES TEARDOWN FINDS METAL PARTS INCLUDED JUST TO ADD WEIGHT

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-...inds-metal-parts-included-just-to-add-weight/

One-third of the entire weight of the headphones comes from metal weights.

This is a somewhat common trick to make products feel more substantive.
[Moto Maxx General] kitcostantino:
if i am not "one guy", then i can say i had that same exact experience. had a conference call in which i mentioned how much i love the Axon 7 and appreciate bootloader unlocking and custom roms as MiFavor is garbage. i knew that wouldn't be well received, but that was on the back of explaining why i have 2 axon 7.

if i had to guess,ZTE is more concerned with carrier partnership than anything else. im afraid the Axon 7 was a one-of for them. Could have been a great direction and many people around these parts favorite new oem...best SOC of the time, great display. but alas, project M (ulty) is a waste of time, money, and effort. im all idgafs on a folding screen. much like moto mods, its a novelty at best, and the shelf life in the US consumer market will be a year or less before everyone forgets what it was.

Man, i need a job in creative control of an OEM. Somehow, they do not understand where the lines end between IRL use and theoretical prototypes.

How dumb is it to step backwards and make a modern day flip phone, ZTE? The US market has no shortage of mediocre phones. less than 2k display shouldn't even exist. It is a poor presumption that something like resolution doesn't matter. Moto made that mistake over and over again. (E, G, X) that and SOCs.

EDITED:i guess i now have a new understanding on the below: https://www.androidcentral.com/why-dont-oems-use-last-years-chips-budget-phones?amp

always go with the best SOC available. No one wants a 600 series Snapdragon. Its not that they are that bad, but they are not that good either. Always use an AMOLED or better panel. always have dual stereo speakers. Always have as close to a 4000 mah battery as design allows. no one, anywhere, anytime, has or will ever complain about these things. All of these things are what i look at first. Wireless charging is a bonus, too.

Somehow, all of these companies get it wrong. Note 8 would be close if there were any ability to unlock bl. Id even be okay with a $1k price tag in that scenario. But I want root. I refuse to give in on that one point. i have and will continue to pass on every phone that cannot meet this one simple criteria. Between my xt1254 and my a2017u, i can hold out another year . Nothing compels me otherwise. I keep hoping to see better news somewhere, but so far, no dice. there's always next year. i told a friend recently that i feel like this year is 2015 all over again. no great choice in android without deal-breaker caveats.
[Moto Maxx General] NepoRood:
Spot on man, you know I been waiting on the Pissel 2, now look, lol. I guess I should have took your advice and got the Axon 7...

But now, I don't know what I want, as soon as I get something, what I "should have got" will be released :silly:
[Moto Maxx General] kitcostantino:
well, when i have an extra $80 to blow, apparently, ZTE will replace my duracoat failure. They do not sell parts, which is a negative for someone like me, but still kinda cool. Warranty that covers dum acery. lol

rhen, i will have 2 axon 7.
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
Speaking of ZTE, check this crazy thing out: https://www.zteusa.com/axonm/
[Moto Maxx General] NepoRood:
I posted a link to the FCC filing for that the other day, but I agree, it is crazy looking. Not my cup of tea though...

I don't know what I'm going to get, the LG community is a bunch of jerks, I think, so no V30 for me. I think I'm just going to order something old and tested, like the 6P I have, get me by until something I

really

want comes out :cool:
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
Yeah, I'd never get one of those (the guts are very mid grade, and I can't imagine that will mean good things for dual screen performance), but good on them for actually trying to bring something new-ish to the table. We need someone to raise the bar of what is considered innovative in phone design.
[Moto Maxx General] NepoRood:
Take a look at This, may be something, may be nothing. Interesting concept though, just don't know how a NonDroid OS will be, lol
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
Interesting I guess, but a phone is only as good as its ecosystem, and I don't see a $1700 phone whose number one selling point is privacy (something that anyone who has ever used social media doesn't care about) creating one that is very robust. Maybe this will be more attractive for spies/celebrities/tin foil hat wearers/hardcore privacy hawks, but similar privacy-forward options exist that do not sacrifice Android.
[Moto Maxx General] NepoRood:
I was just sharing something that was shared on a different thread (but same concept, lol). I've considered the Moto Z2 Force, actually, a friend of mine has one and needs help bringing up the device tree. I've done about all I can without actually having the device.

But honestly, with Christmas coming up in a couple months, and having a 9 year old, I probably shouldn't be getting a phone right now...
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
Haha yeah I hear that. I adopted a dog last week, and while they are much cheaper than kids, it was way more expensive than I thought it would be. Probably not the best time for a Pixel XL 2 purchase, but like Aziz says, treat yo self.
[Moto Maxx General] NepoRood:
After much debate, and chatting with my new ROM team, I decided to get a Pixel XL (1st Gen) from Swappa. Good deal on a mint condition, 128Gb phone, and since I had a Verizon model for a few days, I know what I'm getting (this one is from Gooble and only used a month)

This phone will last me a few years or more, I'm sure. Glad I got to know all you Quark users, maybe we'll match up on devices again in the future.

Regards,

Nepo

PS, It comes with all factory accessories and 4 different cases :good:
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Happy trails!
[Moto Maxx General] NepoRood:
Sorry I can't (or won't, actually) join you on your V30 journey. The folks in that part of this community are just a bunch of d!cks, for the most part, I think anyway.

Here's an interesting tidbit:

The Verizon LG G6 was bootloader unlocked and rooted about 5 months ago, give or take. However, the "Senior Recognized Developer" that pulled it off didn't share it! Why? Because he doesn't, and never will again, support the LG community :silly:

I have no links or anything like that to prove it, I just have his word, and I believe it. Mostly because of who he is...

I also know a guy that has a rooted Samsung Note 8, SD chip...
[Moto Maxx General] mrkhigh:
Enjoyed the ride with you.

I am not sure how much longer I'll be on this device.

Maybe another year? I have little reason to change phones.

It is speedy enough for me, likely will get Oreo.

And even with the older battery it lasts most of a day still.

I personally would probably go htc10 or u11 at the moment....
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
I've run into some of them already. :)

They don't like I post links for proof of what I'm saying or refute their misinformation (again with proof).

One guy tried to get into an argument with me about the AT&T LG V30. He tried to say it had T-Mobile's LTE band 71 in spite of the FCC saying it doesn't. Because an online LG customer rep told him it would "work" on T-Mobile. So, therefore I didn't know what I was talking about!

Oh my goodness. I had to explain to him T-Mobile right has no standalone locations with only LTE band 71 (it's a new band to supplemental other already in place) -- so yes he could be on T-Mobile with OTHER LTE bands with his AT&T LG V30, and furthermore "working" on T-Mobile could even mean HSPA. You would still have data and phone calls. The fact LG says the phone will "work on T-mobile" has nothing to do with new LTE band 71, which right now is ONLY on the T-mobile LG V30.

I repeatedly told him it's no mystery what LTE bands the AT&T LG V30 has, and posted links for proof. FCC tests for every phone for every band any carrier in the U.S. uses. There's tons of documentation.

But I couldn't let the misinformation stand, because the AT&T LG V30 does NOT have LTE band 71. Wishing it does doesn't make it so. IF no one on XDA challenges that kind of crap, then it's accepted as fact by others later on.

I try to help people, and try to impart information. Over here I'm thanked many times for helping people, over there it's like they want to shoot the messenger. "What do you mean I can't root my $800 phone? You don't know what you are talking about!" Well, back in EARLY SEPTEMBER I explained why, before the phone was even released. I provided the information...

That is interesting, because LG removed all the ADB flash commands from the T-Mobile LG G6, while still letting you "unlock" the bootloader. You just can't do anything else like root or install TWRP.

So, it was assumed there's no reason to crack the bootloader of the other carriers' LG G6, because you would find the same desolate landscape as on the T-Mobile model.

LG did the same for the T-Mobile LG V30.
[Moto Maxx General] NepoRood:
You were here when I started, and so was Matt. I'm sure you are correct (bhb27 will work it out) and I'd still be using my Turbo if it wasn't in such a sad state, lol.

_Post-Removed_by_Nepo_
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
Motorola seems to have a new line out (one with 5000 mAh battery). some available through Amazon Prime with their lockscreen ads. reading through moto's website (at the E4 plus specifically), they're claiming "stunning design". now sure what is so stunning about a plain back?

but interesting to note that none of them have wireless charging.....
[Moto Maxx General] mrkhigh:
Huge battery, poor specs....
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Right, Motorola released two "budget" phones (i.e. poor specs) this year with 4,000 and 5,000 mAh batteries -- which shows OEMs can place larger batteries into phones if they wish. Especially with 5.5" or more displays! Our phones have 5.2" AMOLED displays with 3900 mAh batteries!

Yet Motorola purposefully crippled the Z2 Force phone with only a 2750 mAh battery, to FORCE (see what I did there?) you to buy a silly battery mod. You're having to pay extra for what they should have given you in the first place.

It's ironic the "poor specs" budget phones have BIGGER batteries and headset jacks the premium phones don't have!
[Moto Maxx General] gimpy1:
It's all about the money.:(

---------- Post added at 05:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:50 PM ----------

My Verizon droid turbo is three years old next month. My brother in law has a moto "g4" that is only 6 months old, that I can have for free. He says the boot loader can be unlocked although he hasn't done that. I told him that I would take it. He is not sure if it is a g4 or + model.

Even though it is a more budget Verizon phone, do you think it would be worth giving up the turbo for it? The first thing I would do is unlock it and root it.

Or should I get a newer better phone (pending cost and wife's approval)?

Thx

I haven't talked to him in about 3 weeks and he is about 2 hours away. The reason I don't really know what one it is.
[Moto Maxx General] NepoRood:
Never turn down a free device :good:

Get it and try it, it's free, lol. If it doesn't work or function like you want, you only wasted a few hours driving...
[Moto Maxx General] mrkhigh:
G4 plus upgrade; g4 downgrade

Comparison

https://www.phonearena.com/phones/c...Plus,Motorola-Moto-G4/phones/8956,10053,10054
[Moto Maxx General] gimpy1:
Thx, both. That's what I figured. If I don't like it, I can always get rid of it myself. Knowing my b-i-l, it probably is the g4 and not the plus.:confused:
[Moto Maxx General] ragtim:
Damn nice response. Thanks. Also I couldn't agree more on your quibbles. I also believe that the v30 has the hardware for WMC should LG release the functionality in the US. that would be amazing.
[Moto Maxx General] mrkhigh:
[MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION] why do you ignore HTC? Is this solely because qi charging ?
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Probably unfair of me, but I wrote them off a long time ago because of design. Here's why:

2013 LG G3 5.5" 1440p with LASER FOCUS camera vs 2013 HTC One M8 5.0" 1080p.

They're very closely the same sized phone, but HUGE difference in resolution and display size.

5.5" 1440p vs 5.0" 1080p

3GB RAM vs 2 GB RAM

Laser focus rear camera with OIS vs a camera

single speaker vs stereo speakers (one win for HTC)

Now this year (2017), when everybody and their brother (including APPLE) is going to zero bezel this year, what does HTC pull out of it's pocket?

Phones with HUGE bezels. :rolleyes:

now

compare that phone to the LG V30.

5.5" 144p vs 6" 1440p (with LG having the SMALLER PHONE in every dimension)

IP67 vs IP68 (either is not bad, but LG wins)

f/1.7 camera vs f/1.6

stereo speakers vs single speaker (the one win again for HTC)

And yes, no Qi wireless charging. But I just don't see anything special from them even since that REALLY big screw-up in 2013. They seem ho-hum to me. I sort of ignore Sony Androids the same way.
[Moto Maxx General] mrkhigh:
I own a HTC m8, a HTC m9 and HTC m10. And a cheapy 525 I think?

HTC allows an easy unlock, for what they won't unlock sunshine will.

Audio is typically pretty good, reparability is relatively simple. Buttons and USB are easily changed, screen is cheap.

M8 and m10 communities are solid, m9 is decent.

Don't get me wrong they aren't amazing, they make some silly mistakes (m9 had heat issues, that they addressed via firmware), but definitely worth a mention.

I personally do not care for bezeless screens, but I'm sure that bias will pass for me.

I understand writing people off though. Samsung is no longer an option for me (unless work demands it) and Sony is dead to me.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Now that Google has bought them, maybe they'll now do amazing designs.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/22/e...ing-customers-get-credit/?ncid=mobilenavtrend

Essential just dropped their price by $200. Now it's priced more honestly. ;)
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Pixel 2 XL has OLED burn in issues, while LG V30 does not.
[Moto Maxx General] olegfusion:
Frequently checking this thread. Frequently checking pdadb.net and gsmarena. I also would accept LG V30 as many other people in current thread. Also, nobody mentioned, but LG V30 is available in DualSIM variant in HK.
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
i am currently entertaining the idea of going with the Pixel 2. I've read that folks have been successful in using a wireless adapter (USB-C) with a thin case.

so, as long as the battery life holds up for at least a full day, then I'll be fine making that sacrifice. the other piece is that I'll have to get them google pixel ear buds.... still okay with that... but I'm waiting for the price to drop on black friday....
[Moto Maxx General] Hlcpereira:
Since I look for power of the hardware and cheap price (for a phone here in Brazil) mainly, I've looked for Moto Z and Xiaomi Mi5s+. Both are 4GB of RAM and 64GB of internal memory, but Mi5s+ have the battery of 3800mAh instead of 2600mAh of Moto Z. And of course I'm not just looking for a device for use, I'm looking for a device to bring ROMs too (That's why I'm looking for that devices instead of OnePlus ones). After all I think I'll get the Mi5s+ (or both of them). SD821, a big battery, 5.7" LCD IPS display, 64GB of internal memory, 4GB of RAM and 3800mAh are enough for bring me a great experience.
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
I got my Pixel 2 XL a few days ago and I love it. AMA!!

I'm running officially supported Android 8.1. The screen looks a little muted at first glance, but when I compare it side by side with my Turbo, the Turbo image looks unnatural and even had a yellowish tint that I never noticed before. After seeing that, I've grown to really like the way the Pixel does colors and I probably will keep it that way even after Google rolls out their Samsung-esque super unnatural color saturation mode. As for burn in, I'm not really seeing it. If I really look for it, I can kind of see the navigation bar when I display a full screen gray image, but that's the only instance where I can see anything. This could easily just be image retention. I've played multiple youtube videos at full screen, and I haven't been able to see any burn in/image retention. Then again, it has only been a few days. I'll be watching that closely, but Google is offering a 2 year warranty that covers that issue, so I'm not terribly concerned about it. I'll provide photos of whatever if requested.

And the real icing on the cake? Google confirmed that unlocking the bootloader/rooting/any software modifications at all will NOT void the warranty!!! I'm in device heaven.

Source: http://phandroid.com/2017/10/20/google-pixel-2-root-warranty/
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
root established on the Pixel 2 (but for whatever reason, not on the XL)
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
Sweet. I'm not in a hurry to root though. I can't think of a single thing I would use that for on this phone.
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
Adaway!
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
I thought you didn't need root for that anymore?
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
are you able to run it on your Pixel?

I've heard there is another app (DNS66) that can perform the same function.

would you be so kind to verify that, please?
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
DNS66 runs. What website would you like me to test it with?

UPDATE: I googled "adblock test" and went to a bunch of sites designed for that sort of thing. I didn't see a single ad, and one site even gave me a confirmation that it was working. However, the app runs by establishing a VPN connection, and my Pixel is warning me that the app is running in the background and using battery. I would imagine that all adblock programs probably do the same, but it's something to consider I guess. I tried Adaway but it does still need root, so I couldn't use it. I'm sure root will be up and running for the XL 2 eventually.
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
thanks pal....

maybe check one of those "free" apps that contain ads. i think there is a setting for DNS66 to work like adaway, but not sure if still needs to be running.

from my understanding, adaway simply blocks the path and does NOT run in the background. so maybe you could greenify DNS66?
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
I downloaded a random flashlight app, and DNS66 was not able to block those ads. Also, I don't see any setting in DNS66 that changes the way that it works. Adaway adds a hosts file to somewhere in /system (or wherever Magisk puts it if you're using Magisk) that blocks all addresses within the file. So yeah, I guess that one wouldn't have to run in the background.
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
ok, well thanks for checking. i still plan on getting the regular pixel 2 (XL too big for my tastes).

guess I'll see you around on the Pixel forums (oh wait, XDA separated the two).... oh well...

thanks for your contributions for the Turbo, whenever I see one of your posts, I always know it comes from a reliable, knowledgeable source.
[Moto Maxx General] NepoRood:
I haven't rooted my Pixel XL (1st Gen) yet either, it's running great, snappy AF. I would like to be able to use TiBu and V4A and will root it eventually, I'm sure.

If the Pixel 2 had a headphone jack, I would have got one...
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
Update: I RMA'd my Pixel 2 XL. Audio issues. All audio coming out of the phone started buzzing even if I was only at 50% volume. I noticed it after I applied a screen protector that used a liquid applicator, but that shouldn't have hurt an IP67 rated phone. The RMA process was really smooth though. Since I was within 14 days of purchase, it was a no questions asked straight return and refund. I've already ordered a replacement. Fingers crossed that I get one of the rare, totally issue-free units. It seems like manufacture dates of October 20th and later are the safest. Mine was October 10th.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
The pig phone Essential has dropped ANOTHER $50. Best Buy is one step from throwing them in the dumpster.

If you remember, about a week ago Essential dropped the price by $200. Now Best Buy is selling it for $50 LESS than that. I still wouldn't buy it.

No QHD (1440p), no headset jack, no built-in Qi wireless charging, no IP68 or even IP67. Just missing way too much to be a "top tier" phone.

Some tech reporters still try to claim it has QHD but it doesn't. 1440p is QHD, 1325p is almost QHD. Which is emblematic of the entire phone -- it's almost a good phone. :)

https://www.gsmarena.com/essential_...ce_cut_in_us_now_going_for_450-news-28099.php

https://www.androidauthority.com/essential-phone-best-buy-offer-812587/
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
something big must be coming for black friday (at least I hope).

but I'm soooo hesitant to get another phone. don't want to lose the features that I enjoy now (wireless charging, 3900 mAh battery, everything working just the way I like it).... all for what, just to be on the latest OS? I feel like I'm most of the way there with Google Assistant and Oreo Launcher on MM....
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
If you're totally happy with what you have, why get a new phone?
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
what's the fun in sticking with an older device?
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=73906123

Cumulative features that add up over a 3 year period.
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
LG G6 is 50% off at Verizon until Friday.

Very tempting.

When I do a comparison between that, the quark, and pixel 2, the LG appears to be the winner.
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
thanks, I was wondering why I saw some development threads, but no "How to root" threads for the LG G6.

so this just confirms my desire to get the Pixel. I'm not interested in unlocking the bootloader or custom ROMs/Kernels, etc. so long as I get the latest OS releases. I really only want root, which, according to what you typed, is not achieved yet on the LG G6 for my market.