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[Moto Maxx General] NepoRood:
Sometimes you just need that extra volume...

A few weeks ago, I almost grabbed an Axon 7, but changed my mind. I could see myself getting a newer model for sure, as we get closer to the end of the year, picking a phone (for me anyway) is going to get more and more difficult, lol
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Good news for you!

LG V30 U.S. carrier unlocked version (US998) will have T-mobile's 600 Mhz LTE band 71.

LG V30 US998 will have ALL the U.S. carrier bands, so you can take it to any carrier you wish -- even T-mobile. Otherwise it would be pointless to have a U.S. unlocked carrier version if there were any carrier bands it did not have.

Confirmed by T-mobile via Twitter. Thanks to [MENTION=772402]starscalling[/MENTION] for giving us the info. I found the Twitter post he saw.

https://twitter.com/TMobile/status/906909686682624000

He says you can buy it "directly from LG unlocked", but you can also buy it online from other retailers like B&H Photo, Amazon, etc. It's the same LG G6 US998 U.S. unlocked carrier model. IF it makes anyone feel better to buy it from LG, that's fine. But you can probably find discounts on eBay from volume dealers.

Since we KNOW the U.S. carrier unlocked version will also qualify for LG's REAL bootloader unlock (unlike T-mobile's faux bootloader unlock on the LG G6) THAT is the one to buy.
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
Eh, LG's past phones have lacked several US bands, compared to say Samsung's unlocked models that seem to support everything.

(so have Motorola's and probably others, just saying)

The problem I have with that tweet is the language.

"You'll be able to purchase it directly from us, for the full 600mhz experience"

"or (alternatively), directly from LG unlocked"

The latter implying that the US unlocked copy is unlocked and thus has the common US LTE bands, but the former implying that for the "full 600mhz experience", or band 71 support, it has to be from T-Mobile.

Hopefully I'm just reading too much into it, but the FCC documentation supports only the T-Mobile variant getting band 71 iirc. We'll see in a couple weeks.

I mean, I could just tweet LG or T-Mobile and ask for clarification, but ehhhhh lazy and not worried enough to bother. The hardware support is there, it can most likely be enabled regardless of "official" support.

Edit: curiosity got the better of me, and I tweeted them for confirmation.

Edit again: https://twitter.com/Xoftpes/status/907867685613998081

I should have worded it better - that's what I get for trying to do things at nearly 3 in the morning - however, they did Like my response instead of correcting me, so... *shrugs*

In other news, apparently the 128gb variant isn't going to be that much more expensive, something like $50...but I can't remember where I saw that.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Yeah, when I saw their tweet initially I tried to parse the language too, but decided it meant both would have it which makes sense. Otherwise it would be pointless to have a universal U.S. unlocked carrier version if there were any carrier bands it did not have.

I have no explanation for the FCC findings unless there's going to be a "revised" submission or something before the US998 model is officially announced.

Thank you for further verification. I'll post it in the thread I started over in the V30 forum.
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
That would be my guess, yea. Someone over on reddit has suggested that if what T-Mobile says is true, it might mean that LG has/is going to file a class 2 permissive change so they don't have to go through all the hoops again.

Last post over here on this, gonna carry it on in the v30 forum.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
My dozen USB to Type-C adaptors came in yesterday, so I'm now at the point of no return. ;)
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
I just might have to go V30 too. I'm reserving judgement until after October 4th though. I want to see the Pixel 2 XL in its final state before I decide whether or not to sacrifice timely updates in favor of a superior device.
[Moto Maxx General] johnbravado:
What are thoughts on this one. it seems pretty cheap not sure if we can get inthe states though

http://www.doogee.cc/detail/ip68-rugged-smartphone/112

or is doogee an unknown company and you are shooting darts at reliability
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
It looks okay I guess. Certainly very rugged, which is cool. FHD is not cool. I like my QHD. Also 12V 2A "fast charging?" Isn't that just what standard smart phones charge at? That's not fast at all. It packs a Mediatek chip, and their chips don't have a reputation for being super awesome. "Slimmer bezels!" Slimmer than...what? Slimmer than if you put a postage stamp on a brick maybe. But those are some biiiig bezels by today's standards. IPS display, not OLED. Not a terrible thing, but not cutting edge. Huuuuge battery is very nice.

Conclusion: this is a great phone for someone who is active, practical and doesn't care about having the latest and greatest technology in a sexy package. This is the phone for your friend who likes to hike to the top of a mountain and take pictures (camera specs seem nice on paper, but only a true review will tell for sure). And yes, you can get it in the states. There's a link to where you can get it on Aliexpress on the website. It should work on non-Verizon and non-Sprint based networks, but make sure to match the bands the phone can do with the bands the network can do before buying.
[Moto Maxx General] johnbravado:
so pretty much turbo still more superior. I am using the XT1254 on T-Mo which is fine it works, but without the 2 T-Mo bands that penetrate sopecifically band 12, it get not that great service. so need a new one. I tired to look into openig the bands but when i try and do the NP Tools part it seems to fail when i reboot with NP Tools so i cant install drivers so i cant use the tools necessary to try and add the bands. might be an issue with the operating in Nougat now and the how-to was written during kit-kat
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
If you're going to get a new phone, why not just buy a T-Mobile branded phone? Or an unlocked phone guaranteed to work with all US carriers like the Pixel?
[Moto Maxx General] johnbravado:
that is plan but also dont want to spend a grand for minor improvements. honestly i could buy a nexus 6 on swappa for $150 unlocked and be right where i am now with T-Mo coverage. but that one being $300 if it was slightly better i may have upgraded.
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
If I were you, I would wait for the Pixel 2 to launch and then get a Pixel 1 when the price goes down.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
This weekend I'm probably selling my new in the box XT1225 which I had as a backup phone for either my wife or myself. Bootloader was never unlocked, still on Kitkat 4.4.4.

Clearing the decks. I won't be getting the V30 until probably December... I expect the unlocked version to be released mid-November. But might as well sell the backup phone now before it drops in value any more.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
If you don't care about wireless charging, look at the specs of the 2016 ZTE AXON 7. Same 1440p AMOLED display as the Pixel XL, plus award-winning quad DAC, plus stereo speakers. 4GB RAM/64GB + microSD card.

Has Verizon VoLTE and T-Mobile bands. Yes, Verizon VoLTE on both ZTE stock Nougat and custom ROMs, even though it's not a Verizon branded phone. Has AT&T and T-Mobile bands too.
[Moto Maxx General] johnbravado:
that might be exactly what i do. the pixel does seem like a decent upgrade without having to spend a grand after pixel 2 comes out
[Moto Maxx General] Marky__Mark:
Yup. Or i could just save $700 and not buy a new phone for the next two years to use my perfectly good droid turbo with a brand new battery. I need a phone with a 3.5mm jack. Buying a pixel 1 would cover me for at least the next 4 years.
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
If you spend $700 on a Pixel 1 post-Pixel 2 launch, you're doing it wrong. But yeah, I don't think most people on this thread really need a new phone. There are no groundbreaking features that anyone has put out since the Turbo was released. I just want a new phone because I'm a nerd and I want one.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Not "groundbreaking" but more cumulative features that have added up to be greater than the whole.

Only this year, in 2017, with Snapdragon 835 has the CPU speeds really leaped over what the Quark's Snapdragon 805 could do. Yes, even last year's 820 was "faster" than the 805, but

835 is even double digits faster than the 820/821 and has the gigabit modem capabilities.

Also, IP68 water resistance which was not readily available in 2014. Heck, even Apple apparently still can't do it in 2017 -- they only have IP67 without a headset jack and both Samsung and LG have IP68 WITH a headset jack.

Plus the zero-bezel design trend.

And then for the LG V30 the huge camera improvement with

f/1.6 aperture (with glass lens)

and quad DAC.

All while keeping...

Qi wireless charging -- not going to give that up!

1440p OLED -- don't want to give that up either!

At least 64GB internal memory. Bonus for microSD card expansion beyond that.

Plus rear camera OIS -- Motorola should have included that on our Quarks. :rolleyes:

and finally the 3.5mm headset jack.

With bootloader unlock and root, of course.

In 2015, I won a free LG G4 in a contest -- but sold it on eBay and bought 3rd backup Quark (which I still have new in the box and will put up for sale this weekend) ;) Because the LG G4 while ostensibly having a faster CPU and a couple of other features (rear camera OIS with laser detection autofocus and microSD card) was "better", in reality to me it wasn't really better than my Moto XT1225. For one, I couldn't root it as it was a locked-down AT&T carrier-branded LG G4. :rolleyes:
[Moto Maxx General] TheSt33v:
All true, but these are only things that enthusiasts like us care about. None of these things really constitute a need for an upgrade in the true sense of the word.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
No, I still use my phone every day and it does what I need. Web browsing, XDA, Facebook, corporate and personal email accounts, open Word documents and Excel files, PDFs, etc. Even makes phone calls! [emoji14] Thanks to XDA devs I'm running Nougat custom ROM, but even my wife's phone on Marshmallow RR still works just like she needs.

If I really needed a "new" phone, I still have a brand new Moto XT1225 on a shelf in my office. Still has Kitkat 4.4.4 with a bootloader I've still never unlocked. It could work right now by just putting in my AT&T sim card. Within an hour, I could have it up and running with custom Nougat ROM, etc.

(EDIT: sold it in October 2017.)

I think a brand new 2014 Quark would still be better than (or at least as good as) some of the new mid-tier phones out there?

When people in these threads ask, "what is a good replacement for my Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx?" Well, it depends on WHEN you bought it. I bought two Moto XT1225 in December 2014 for about $700 each. I had to buy them from other countries! (Puerto Rico and Mexico) At the time they were top of line, the best phone you could buy, period -- except for maybe the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 or Moto Nexus 6, both also Snapdragon 805 phones but both of which had drawbacks (size) compared to the Quarks.

1440p AMOLED,

Snapdragon 805,

3GB RAM,

64GB internal memory,

Qi wireless charging,

21MP rear camera,

3900 mAh battery.

Ballistic nylon back with Kevlar underneath.

Whereas other people bought their Quarks last year USED, for like $150- $200. Sure, still excellent specs for the money, but not top of the line. With XDA devs, yeah, you can keep pace with current phones to some degree. But at some point, you want the newest specs, best hardware available again.
[Moto Maxx General] Hlcpereira:
If we looked for us from Brazil, that we don't have VoLTE here (it's in tests), I think we can disconsidered that detail of Axon 7, but of course stills a valid and great option. For some of us, the device that will replace the Quark must have strong specs, but without some stuff, and of course, a good development stuff, like OnePlus 5, OnePlus 3/3T, Mi6, Mi5/5s, Moto Z1, Moto Z2 Force, but have the people that look for more battery, and they look for the Moto Z1 Play, ZenFone 3, and some others devices that I don't remeber now.

Of course, we have different priorities of what we want.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Until OnePlus puts out a 1440p phone, I still consider them mid-tier. Sorry, I've had 1440p AMOLED since 2014 and any manufacturer that can't put out at least one 1440p phone is a pretender. OnePlus is full of hype but doesn't deliver the specs. If they want to join the ranks of top tier OEMs like Samsung, LG, HTC, Sony, Motorola you have to put out a truly high spec phone. Until then they are just like any of the knock-off Chinese 5.5" 1080p slab manufacturers. There's at least a dozen or more "generic" 5.5" 1080p Androids out there by various budget Chinese OEMs. Blu, Mi, etc. OnePlus is just like them, in my opinion. If you can't do more than 1080p, you aren't a top tier OEM.

They even shipped one phone without NFC! Much less Qi wireless charging (which I will NOT forego). I really really detest OnePlus. Until they put out a phone that impresses me. They are hypocrites with their "Never Settle" motto. They always compromise their specs. :rolleyes:

Whereas last year's ZTE Axon 7 -- same price as the OnePlus 3 and 3T! -- was exactly the type of phone OnePlus needs to build but never has. ZTE is not a pretender, but actually joined the big boys in specs. 5.5" AMOLED -- same display Google used in the Pixel XL, same Samsung part number! Award-winning quad DAC, front facing stereo speakers. They even pulled off Verizon VoLTE and they aren't a Verizon branded phone or sold by Verizon (like Pixel phones). That really impressed me. (You don't live in the U.S. so you don't know much about control-freak Verizon.) Phone even had easily unlocked bootloader with lots of development. ZTE is the company everyone should be fawning over, not OnePlus.

I have two brothers-in-law in Brazil and some other friends, so I know what is popular there. I know that items like Qi wireless charging are not at the top of the list -- that mid-tier phones with bigger batteries (like last year's Moto Z Play) are more what most people want. I understand that 1440p is not "must have", that 1080p will do. It's just once I have had those features, I'm not giving them up. I've had Qi wireless charging since my 2013 LG Nexus 6 and 1440p since my 2014 Moto XT1225. I am not downgrading with a "new" phone.
[Moto Maxx General] Marky__Mark:
I hear ya!
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Well, just sold the backup XT1225 on Swappa. Wow, that went fast. I probably underpriced it.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
re: LG V30

re: LG V30

Even though the U.S. carrier unlocked

LG G6 (US997) was released

on May 12, 2017 -- 75 days after the

initial LG G6 global press conference (February 26, 2017)

, it wasn't until

June 29, 2017 that LG added both the U.S. and European carrier unlocked versions to their official bootloader unlock list.

(that's REAL bootloader unlock with ADB flash commands, not the faux bootloader unlock they foisted onto T-mobile)

123 days or OVER 4 months! Between global announce of the LG G6 and the procedure to officially unlock bootloader and root an LG G6 (and even then only two models of the LG G6, the U.S. and European "unlocked carrier" models).

Extrapolating that timeline -- which is probably fruitless but fun -- means the U.S. carrier unlocked US998 will go on sale around November 14, but won't be available for bootloader unlock or root until December 31, 2017. That's 123 days.

Since I won't buy a phone I can't root on DAY 1, IF that same timeline holds, then it will be early 2018 before I'll be buying this phone...

______

I don't mind waiting until mid-November for the carrier unlocked version -- because I'm not buying a carrier-branded version which won't receive bootloader unlock AND root. I can understand the carriers need time to fleece the suckers, so I need to wait like 5 weeks after the carriers start selling the phone to for the carrier unlocked version to be released.

But I don't want to then have to wait an additional six weeks after that for REAL bootloader unlock code...

Hopefully LG will do it faster than with the LG G6?
[Moto Maxx General] newbe1droidx:
Anyone know about the new russian phone that doesnt let any apps know your info or google etc. Heard a rumor thats all
[Moto Maxx General] CASEY_K:
After 2 years, 2 turbos, one screen replacement I did myself (which I'm quite proud of having done successfully) and now breaking the screen again. I'm just accident prone when it comes to phones, the 2 in 2 years is by far an achievement in itself. I have finally decided to move on from the turbo, not getting rid of it but it's time to "upgrade". The only problem is, I can't find anything that would compare, or at least something I would feel satisfied with. Especially thanks to [MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION] and all his praising of this device. You my man have successfully ruined any other devices chances for me lol. That's why I want to ask you personally, what do you suggest? I want to get a new phone this weekend but.... I have to be able to root, not sure if I can live without an unlocked bootloader and has to be able to run on Verizon. I've been looking at everything possible but still can't decide. Last option is drop 150 on another turbo. I really want something fresh tho.

Thanks in advance, I'm still open to everyone's suggestions btw.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
ZTE AXON 7

5.5" AMOLED (exactly same Samsung panel in the Google Pixel XL, has same part number)

Google Daydream VR certified

64GB/4GB RAM + microSD card

award-winning DAC

headset jack

front-facing stereo speakers

frame designed by BMW

20MP camera with rear OIS

bootloader unlock on request and has root, custom ROMs

For Verizon users, CDMA bands and Verizon VoLTE (on stock Nougat and LOS 14.1)

ZTE Axon 7. Comes in gold or grey. The only thing you would be giving up would be Qi wireless charging (for now), but gaining front facing stereo speakers and award winning quad DAC. Same 5.5" AMOLED display Google used in the Pixel XL. Bootloader can be unlocked, it even has Verizon VoLTE with both stock Nougat and custom Nougat ROMs. The base model comes with 64GB internal memory, 4GB RAM + microSD card. Rear camera OIS.

(There was also a 128GB/6GB RAM model released months later, but I don't recommend that one. It was never released in the U.S., only China, so would be import only and Verizon would not work.)

Online pricing right now for the 64GB/4GB model is $426-$440, depending on color.

Find it on Amazon and eBay or straight from ZTE USA. Uhmm.. just checked, you'll have to get from eBay or Amazon. ZTE is out of stock (but is only $400 if it was in stock). Here's an

Amazon link.

Make SURE it says it has the U.S. warranty. The ZTE USA would of course, but if you order from eBay or Amazon you do NOT want the European/Chinese models which may not work with Verizon. Also, the European model has lower audio output, due to EU rules. (Root and custom ROM can take care of the audio, but then there's the Verizon issue.) Just make sure it has "U.S. warranty" and you are OK.

The only reason I didn't buy the ZTE Axon 7 last year was because of lack of Qi wireless charging. But if you need a new phone, you can buy that now, then early 2018 you can sell it and buy the LG V30 if you wish, when the LG V30 carrier unlocked version (which will run on Verizon) probably gets bootloader unlock code. Last year it was 4 months between global press announcement and LG bootloader unlock release for the carrier unlocked models.
[Moto Maxx General] CASEY_K:
You are the man [MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION]

I can live without the wireless charging. The only way it really benefitted me with this phone and the last one is the broken power button. Life saver actually lol.

Thanks again I really appreciate your input.
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
great thread [MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION]

I, too, was looking at all of the features that I would like on my next device. It's similar to buying a new house or new car - you don't want to lose features that you enjoyed/are used to.

Very difficult to find a phone that is:

1.) not too big

2.) has Qi wireless charging

3.) wake on hand wave

4.) big enough battery

5.) still thin (relatively)

6.) is rootable from day 1

I looked at the LG G6, but did not have (from what I noticed) the wave hand to wake feature. the Samsung S7 looks good, but never sold on their batteries....
[Moto Maxx General] Diego1751:
Just curious, why is Qi a deal breaker? I have multiple Qi pads that I could use, but I find lining up the device perfectly with the charger to be too much of a hassle compared to just plugging in the phone for a faster and cooler (battery health) charging option. Plus when my phone is on a charger I often pick it up for a second to text, for example. It remains connected and charging while in use. I would rather have a bigger battery than the space for the coil imo, at least until wireless surfaces can be just like a mat you put the phone down on anywhere in any direction.

I have been eying the lgv30 or the oneplus5, thank you for telling me about the axon and nokia

the dash charge is imo superior because all of the circuitry for the faster charging is in the charger, thus allowing the phone to remain cooler. the proprietary nature also worries me, but I saw that they released drivers to allow custom roms to take advantage of it. that gives me relief.

I really would like the water proofing and the camera from the v30, if all these phones are going to have dual cameras I think the wide angle is far more useful than the zoom
[Moto Maxx General] jco23:
from my experience and understanding, the less often you have to insert something into something else, the less wear and tear it takes - thus prolonging the life.... :D
[Moto Maxx General] Diego1751:
very good point, the charging port is starting to get weaker on my quark
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
This is why you need triple coil chargers, especially the tilted ones. No need to worry about placement and you can see notifications at a glance.

Yeah, you still have to pick up the phone IF you get a message and you want to answer but sometimes you don't want to answer right then and and the ability to grab and go is the convenience. No plugging, unplugging, plugging, unplugging. Stress on the port.

I do plug in when I have to, but I really like the CONVENIENCE of not having to. A friend of mine keeps his on a tilt Qi charger in his office at work. He can just glance at his phone while doing his work, it's topping off the battery, and he can grab and go for a meeting.

Even APPLE is finally going to Qi wireless charging. (After what, 5 YEARS?) Samsung never gave it up, and LG is adding it back. After having it on my past two phones (LG Nexus 5 and Moto Maxx XT1225), since 2013, I'm just not giving it up.

Yes, that's one reason. But the convenience is another. I even keep Qi wireless charger at my mom's house for when I go visit her.
[Moto Maxx General] Diego1751:
I am looking forward to the v30/pXL2 or the axon9

The Biggest waterproof battery is going to win probably although front facing stereo speakers would be nice

after reading through this entire thread I am on the same page as [MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION] I just have 2 questions

1) what's wrong with just getting a pair of USB C headphones?

2) for Qi do you know if there are any magnet alignment solutions especially for the car