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[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
But T-Mobile will be selling a carrier branded LG V30, not a Pixel (that we know of) and LG would gladly lend support to T-Mobile in the form of early prototype. Whereas Google doesn't need to, because LG is making the LG Pixel XL 2017, coming out later this year. Google can get the info from LG.

Watch live:

http://www.techadvisor.co.uk/how-to/entertainment/how-watch-lg-v30-live-stream-3663262/
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
That's a pretty sound line of reasoning. It didn't occur to me that LG ran T-Mobile carrier phones. I guess this is because when I think "carrier-branded", I think of Verizon and their stupid walled-garden network and radio/bootloader neutering, and forget about the others with their somewhat less offensive practices.

Even that aside, thinking about it further, it also wouldn't make sense for LG to build the radio support into the XL 2 while leaving it out of the v30, unless they just waited too late into development to add it. They'll technically be competing phones, after all, it wouldn't make sense to give the competitor an edge (even if it really isn't an advantage yet).

Well, we'll see in 5 1/2 hoursish. 2am for me, but I'm usually still awake then, so guess I'll watch.

Edit: didn't realize phoneArena had added the v30 to their comparison thingy. The phone really is ridiculously thin compared to our Quark and the height/width is quite close. We knew the dimensions, sure, but actually visually comparing them...jeez.
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
v30 is live.

Official specs listed here:

Chipset: Qualcomm Snapdragon 835

Display: 6.0-inch 18:9 QuadHD+ OLED FullVision Display (2880 x 1440 / 538ppi)

Memory: 4GB LPDDR4x RAM

Storage: 64GB UFS 2.0 ROM (V30) or 128GB UFS 2.0 ROM (V30+), microSD (up to 2TB)

Rear cameras: 16MP Standard Angle (F1.6 / 71°) / 13MP Wide Angle (F1.9/ 120°)

Front camera: 5MP Wide Angle (F2.2 / 90°)

Battery: 3,300mAh

Operating System: Android 7.1.2 Nougat

Size: 151.7 x 75.4 x 7.3mm

Weight: 158g

Network: LTE-A 4 Band CA

Connectivity: Wi-Fi 802.11 a, b, g, n, ac / Bluetooth 5.0 BLE / NFC / USB Type-C 2.0 (3.1 compatible)

Colors: Aurora Black, Cloud Silver, Moroccan Blue, and Lavender Violet

IP68 certification (water and dust resistant) and is MIL-STD 810G compliant

voice recognition (for unlocking using a combination your voice and user-defined keywords)

face recognition (for unlocking using the front facing camera)

fingerprint sensor

wireless charging

Others:

Processor has a heatpipe, presumably connected to the aluminum midframe; the left side of the phone is gonna get hot under heavy use

Frame is an "H-frame" design, looks like I-beam principal used in buildings. Here's hoping it's as not-bendy as past phones

Gorilla Glass 5 on front and back

Watching the official thing, it has "fast wireless charging", 50% in 55 minutes, short of QC 3.0's 50% in 35m; probably 7.5w or 10w wireless. There wasn't a qualifier on the charging details, unlike during the B&O segment when they were showing off the IEMs bundled with the Plus (I guess), and CNET says that it's region-free; we should all get it this time.

No idea about the quad DAC. It was leaked as also being region-free, but at least one site I've seen seemed to think it would be subject to region. Guess we'll see.

Additionally, Android Authority has reported that the v30 is the first phone to support T-Mobile 600mhz/band 71.

It's like Christmas.

Time to watch some reviews that have popped up.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
LG V30 hands-on: Believe the*hype

LG is back in the*game

https://www.techspot.com/news/70786-lg-v30-hands-believe-hype.html
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
Unfortunately, my celebration of apparent 600mhz support might have been premature.

Android Authority is the only one reporting it so far - most other sites are either parroting them or speculating - and I can't find any official sources. There is this site who has this tidbit:

It's just weird all around. Gonna go to bed now, hopefully by the time I get up, T-Mobile or LG will have given an official yay or nay on the matter.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
http://bgr.com/2017/08/31/lg-v30-t-mobile-preorder-release-date-plans-600mhz-phone/
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
Yea, T-Mobile has since officially announced it too.

Just need bootloader unlocking and no fatal design flaws, and it'll be just about the best thing yet. I haven't gotten to watching them all yet, but reviews have been mostly positive.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Very informative, quick paced 5:30 video review. See link below. This phone is what the LG G6 should have been.

LG V30 Hands On!

https://youtu.be/RxZolcHl67Q

Here's one VERY important tidbit from another review. *So, when you actually get your hands on one of these phones, remember this!

It would be the first thing I would change... I would immediately nix the "new" arrangements and bring back the "classic" app drawer. *All my apps live on my desktop? NO. I have over 300 apps.

__________

BOOTLOADER UNLOCK.

Wait for the U.S. carrier unlocked version that will come in a couple of months. Those are usually the ones that are bootloader unlock eligible.
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
That is, above all, the general opinion that seems consistent between reviews.

If they had done something like this, instead of the G6...oh boy would Samsung be feeling the hurt.

It wasn't really possible, though, what with their OLED screens needing time to develop, and they couldn't have "led the charge" for 600mhz/b71 at that point.

Or just use a different launcher; have you tried Smart Launcher? I've been using it since Froyo, normal launchers feel icky and cluttered to me.

I'd be willing to give LG's launcher a chance, of course, but I don't see it being any different.

That seems to be the trend, looking at the supported devices list. But I really hope that the EU gets an unlockable variant too, because that'll help sell more phones and boost development; a lot of our devs are overseas.

Heck, if they would stop being dumb and enable it for all variants, it would kill the S8 in the dev/enthusiast market. But alas...
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
LG Outs Twitter Sweepstakes, Giving Away Three V30 Flagships.

Slim chance of winning doesn't mean no chance of winning :good:

Also, FrequencyCheck.com has the bands listed for the T-Mobile and Verizon variants, but I can't say how old or reliable the information is (notably, the T-Mobile list is missing band 71).

Edit: PDAdb has spec sheets up for the T-Mobile and Verizon variants, but I can't be arsed to go through and see if they match the above band/frequency lists. They're pretty old entries.

There's links to foreign variants at the bottoms of those pages (or just search), those entries are fresher.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
I use Nova launcher, so yeah I'm OK.

Forgot you need European. Yes, an unlocked European version is also usually released.
[Moto Maxx General] NepoRood:
The V30 is coming in at 95% for me, all I'm waiting on now is to see where the Pixel 2 lands. By the time the P2 comes out, we should very well know which one to get. Meaning, the V30 will be unlockable or not, or the P2 will have the specs we wanted.

Personally, I'm happy to wait another month or so, as I was looking to buy come mid October anyway ;)

Also, prowling about the Essential forum, things are still around 50/50, no TWRP or root yet, and some are sending it back, while others are keeping it. Still, I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on that (and most of that comes from this thread :D)
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
The LG V30 hits most of that list.

The only quibbles I have is no front facing stereo speakers, and I wish the battery was more like "4300" mAh rather than 3300 mAh.

Also, there were rumors the LG V30+ variant would have 6GB RAM in addition to 128GB internal storage, but turns out to not be true. Only difference in the LG V30 (64GB) and LG V30+ (128Gb) is the larger internal storage. I can live with that -- but with other OEM's going to 6GB for flagship, this is where LG could have stepped up in the specs race.

The LG V30 is what I'm getting vs Pixel XL 2017 because I still want to keep headset jack. If the Pixel XL 2017 also has a headset jack and only lacks microSD card (but has 128GB internal storage option), then I'm still giving the LG Pixel XL a chance to convince me. The carrier unlocked versions of the LG G6 came out a couple of months after the carrier versions. So add September 21 + 60 days or so for the LG V30 carrier unlocked version -- which should also be eligible for bootloader unlock. Then, allow a few more weeks for the Ebay dealer price to come down. :) Nice Christmas present for myself, much like the Quark 3 years ago.
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
I don't need it, I live in the US and am currently an unfortunate victim of Verizon's overburdened extended network (via Tracfone, service quality has been getting worse and worse lately; both myself and another in the household aren't having some incoming calls routed fast enough before the callers give up. On normal days, it takes 2-3 rings on the calling end before the phones start ringing!).

I'm excited about band 71 support because that means I can have Tracfone switch me over to GSM service, at which point I'll be on T-Mobile and can hopefully use the new towers they're going balls-to-the-wall to deploy as fast as possible. If things end up as they think, their rural coverage here will be at least as good as Verizon's, and that's what has stopped me from switching to their network for all these years.

I hope for EU support because it'll mean the myriad devs living over there will be more willing to get on board and create cool stuff for us commoners. And...well, it would be nice for them to have a nice unlockable phone too, even if they don't want to make us cool stuff.

Wait, what. Does the Essential Phone not have bootloader unlocking as promised? I would have thought that'd be a pretty important feature to get up and running for launch.

My god, what a trainwreck that whole thing is turning into.

Yes, well...can't have everything.

I see it as an excellent device to hold us all over until something better comes along. Though it's looking like the v30 is going to be hard to top in respects other than the battery, so that might be quite some time indeed...

Don't forget the B&O Tuning, for the v30+. It gets you a shiny stamp on the back and...actually, nobody seems to know what else aside from vague suggestions of "improved sound".

...yeeeeaaa, it kinda sucks, definitely not worth the extra $175 it was leaked as costing in my opinion.

I can get a top-of-the-line microSD card for less than that and have...significantly more than an additional 64gb. The additional trampstamp doesn't interest me at all, and ARISE or just viper4a alone takes care of any sound-tuning wants/needs, so...yep. They can keep the overpriced variant.
[Moto Maxx General] NepoRood:
IF the Essential can be unlocked, no one has tried to yet (they have a 15 day Money Back Guarantee, which is void if you unlock the bootloader, according to TOS).

I've just got to wait on the next gen of Pixel, I'll kick myself if I don't, lol. The first line is a "good" device, my Wife loves hers, and I liked the one I had for a few days, it was very responsive, just fragile.

Also, front facing stereo speakers aren't what they're cracked up to be, at least on my 6P, even using ARISE. Also, if the P2 XL doesn't have a headphone jack, or at least an adapter, then yes, I'll get a V30 (and I'll build whatever ROMs I can for either :good:)
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Apparently the carrier unlocked U.S. version which is bootloader unlock eligible will be LG V30 US998.

Manufacturer #: LGUS998.AUSASV

One site is speculating mid-October, but that seems too early? I'm guessing mid-November or end of November.

Put a Google alert search on that model number. LG V30 US998.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1357369-REG/lg_lgus998_ausasv_lg_v30_us998_64gb.html?email=
[Moto Maxx General] olegfusion:
Hi all.

First time I decided to look at the thread like this.

Quark (XT1250 at my point) is one of best devices I ever had.

I checked out this thread and really there are no devices for replacement. Still looking for:

Battery around 4000mah

device screen any type any resolution not less than FHD as small (not less than 5.0") as possible display

unlocked bootloader for clean rom

Internal QI charging & qualcomm fast charge technology is a must.

LED notifications should be on device

LTE FDD 3&7; 20 would be good, but optional.

3.5 jack.

Any suggestions?
[Moto Maxx General] olegfusion:
Kinzie is an option, but it is a bit old too.

Lg v30.. Battery is definitely a question.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
OK, let me give you another possibility but which still fit into your list of requirements. Not RIGHT NOW, but maybe in the near future. Read this below, but let me preface why you can't do this right now. The 2016 Moto Z (with Snapdragon 8XX, but does NOT have a headset jack) has

custom ROMs which have mod compatibility

. The 2016 Moto Z Play (with Snapdragon 6xx, but DOES have a headset jack) has custom ROMs, but for some reason

they have not made any with Moto Mod compatibility

. The

devs are investigating, working on it

.

When they solve that Moto Mods compatibility issue with the Moto Z Play, maybe here's your solution?

_____________

2016 Moto Z Play + Moto mod.

I checked in the 2016 Moto Z Play forum and the Lineage and RR ROMs have the LED notification light, just like ours.

(I can't suggest the 2017 Moto Z2 Play because it has no ROMs yet and therefore the LED light won't work as a notification light on that one yet.)

Do NOT buy any of the Verizon branded crap with locked bootloader, but instead the ones with free bootloader unlock from Motorola.

1080p (FHD) and Snapdragon 6XX. If you can live with that, the 2016 Moto Z Play has a 3500 mAh battery which got raves. Add Qi mod or Battery + Qi mod (for even more battery if you wish) and you are good to go. For instance with either the

Tumi

or

Incipio

mod you would have total 5720 mAh battery. (3500 built in + 2200 battery pack/Qi wireless mod)

TUMI or INCIPIO 2200 mAh + Qi wireless battery mod

Or if that's "too much" battery (5720 mAh) you can buy just a

Qi wireless add-on mod.

With Snapdragon 6XX and a 3500 mAh battery, you may not need a battery + Qi mod, but could just go with Qi wireless mod.

2016 Moto Z Play has easily unlocked bootloader (NOT THE VERIZON MODEL) and tons of custom ROMs.

2016 Moto Z Play has the 3.5mm headset jack.

2016 Moto Z Play has fast charge.

Is there anything I've missed? Again, see the note at top. You have to wait until they solve the Moto Mod issue for the Moto Z Play (Snapdragon 6xx, 1080p), if you absolutely need the headset jack.

Otherwise, you can go with the Moto Z (Snapdragon 8xx, 1440p) right now by adding the battery/Qi mod and have everything else you want,

including the LED notification light (with custom ROM)

. But you won't have headset jack.

Please do NOT buy any Verizon branded Moto Z or Moto Z Play models -- their bootloaders are locked down.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
[MENTION=7237874]NepoRood[/MENTION] and [MENTION=5521404]Septfox[/MENTION], here's the LG V30 forum to peruse. Yeah, I know you can find it yourself, but I've already posted some comments in the Q&A section. Correcting some misinformation about bootloader unlock, etc.

I've got that XDA forum bookmarked on my PC:

LG V30

Also been looking at

LG V30 cases on Ebay

. (Note that those search results are filtered for my preferences. You can change that.) Many are only $2 or $3 with FREE SHIPPING from China. Can't go wrong with that, take a chance. Order a couple! Yeah, will take 30 days to get here, but you still won't have the phone by then! ;) You'll still have a case or cases before LG has released the carrier unlocked version of this phone, maybe in mid-October.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultra-Thin-...hash=item36208e0153:m:mmni3TKzp1EpubFh46idCvg

This one above is $2.75 with free shipping from China. Choice of 4 colors.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/For-LG-Mobi...hash=item2a8b6350fb:m:mr1Q9MEIyGiaWn2w3wmQ0Lw

This transparent one above is $2.96 with free shipping from China.
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
Yes, but as a wrench in the works for me: sources so far show that the unlocked version doesn't have band 71. Fair enough, I guess, I'm slightly annoyed because this kind of band-exclusivity BS is part of why I'm getting away from Verizon, but ehhhh. At least the unlocked bootloader and non-CDMA-related nature of it possibly gives options.

I'm planning to hold off until someone finds out if enabling it will be as easy as flashing the T-Mobile radio. In theory it should work, all this region-free wireless and DAC stuff makes me think they're using the same actual phone between variants and the only difference is the firmware.

As far as cases: I like the look of both the black and minty MP Mall cases, but it's to be seen whether or not the front is protected enough. I'd really like to get a transparent case this time around.

By the time I get to the phone, there should be reviews out for most cases, so I can get the cream of the crop :good:
[Moto Maxx General] BoredDude:
After actually searching a lot, i've come to the conclusión that the best replacement for now it's going to be the LG G6. Maybe in the future if the G7 has the oled panel, bigger battery and both the dac and the wireless charging it will finally be an amazing replacement, but for now it's the best shot we've got. Unless you like bigger phones, then the v30 it's pretty much all i want in a phone but it's too big for me.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Here's all three side by side:

LG G6+ is the same thing as the LG G6 in size -- it's just the one with more specs. The South Korea LG G6+ in particular has Qi wireless charging, more internal storage, quad DAC AND all the U.S.carrier LTE bands. It's what ALL the LG G6 should have been. BUT none of the G6+ models are on the LG bootloader unlock list.

But looking at the size, I don't see the LG V30 being particularly huge. It's smaller than the LG V20 which was too big. I commend LG for downsizing.

Also, even though the LG V30 has about the same display size (5.99") as the 2014 Moto Nexus 6 (5.95"), it's SMALLER than the Nexus 6, which was TOO big for me. Thus, I bought the Quark instead.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
I would be surprised if the U.S. LG V30 carrier unlocked version doesn't have all the T-Mobile LTE bands, if just because of roaming agreements T-Mobile has now or in the future with other carriers. This is why T-Mobile phones have all the AT&T LTE bands. Works both ways.

If for some reason it doesn't, how's AT&T network coverage in your neck of the woods? I love AT&T GoPhone, but even if you want to stay with Carlos Slim, Tracfone has AT&T SIMs.

You can still dump Verizon...
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
I'd have to dig around a bit to find it, someone was looking at the FCC listings. The unlocked version didn't have band 71 listed; the T-Mobile model specifically did. But again, I would bet that the hardware is the same, if I can simply flash the radio (or add the band manually), I'll have the best of both worlds.

No idea about AT&T coverage, I've never checked and never known anyone around who had it. I do know Sprint is worthless, someone had a Sprint iPhone and thought it was pretty magical that my Verizon phone could not only function outside, but inside buildings too.

Interestingly, AT&T's coverage map claims solid "HD Voice" (I'm going to guess VoLTE) coverage for most of the country, including my area. That seems incredibly unlikely, because if it were true, Verizon would be long dead :eek:

T-Mobile has gotten better here in the last few years, it's not as good as Verizon but it would be functional here at home. I will be moving off Verizon, even if I can't use the new band; I've missed a couple calls lately that weren't vital, but it would have been nice to have gotten them on time. This is getting ridiculous.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Do you live in one of these areas?
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
Nope. I'm about 60 miles SE of Kansas City.

I was basing my hopes and dreams on their projected EoY coverage: http://bgr.com/2017/08/16/t-mobile-coverage-vs-verizon-2017-600mhz-deployment-wyoming/

Could be that their priorities have shifted, which would prove problematic for me. Darn you, T-Mobile, not looking after someone who's not even a customer's best interests! *shakes fist angrily*

Still going to get the v30, barring any significant design defects or LG shenanigans. I am reasonably confident that I can limp along until deployment rolls around this area. Can't even get the phone 'til nearly the end of the year anyway, if they don't release the unlockable one right away.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
A dark horse has emerged, the ZTE Axon 9 -- successor to the ZTE Axon 7 -- reportedly to be announced in October. ZTE is skipping from Axon 7 to Axon 9.

I've got time to wait, since I'm going to buy the LG V30 unlocked carrier version if I buy that, and I've already ordered some cases. But this ZTE Axon 9 sounds promising as a comparison.

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=73665088&postcount=24

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=73680840&postcount=28

https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=73688195
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
Hmm, I wonder what happened to the Axon 8.

(cue conspiracy theories)

I'll be interested to see about it too, since the Axon 7 was apparently such a good phone. Something that's basically "that, with updated hardware and reduced bezels" would be pretty great.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
I think same reason OnePlus did 3, then 3S, then skipped to 5. ZTE did a 7, the a 7S for China -- so now a 9. Something about how the pronunciation of Axon 8 is too similar to Apple iPhone 8. I don't speak Chinese, so don't quote me on that.

For OnePlus, it's because 4 is associated with death or bad luck.
[Moto Maxx General] Septfox:
Sneaky edit :>

Yea, I actually knew this bit of semi-useless trivia, and was all "OH OH I ACTUALLY KNOW THIS ONE" when I got the email notification of your original post. It always strikes me as odd how, in this day and age, superstition persists and is even still prominent in some developed countries.

Still no idea about the Axon 8, though. I'm going to guess that you're right about the iPhone 8 thing, since 8 is otherwise a favorable number over there.

Guess it doesn't really matter to us foreign consumers what it's called, in the end, as long as it's a solid phone.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Yeah, because they seemingly pulled "Axon 7" name out of thin air to begin with. The predecessor to the 2016 Axon 7 was the

2015 ZTE Axon Pro

. (4GB RAM in mid-2015? 1440p, Snapdragon 810, 32GB & 64GB internal memory variants available. Actually pretty impressive for the release date.

Droid Turbo 2/Moto X Force later that year still had only 3GB RAM.)

2015 ZTE Axon Pro, the predecessor the the ZTE Axon 7.

Point is, there was no ZTE "Axon 6", and the 2017 Axon 7 was not ZTE's 7th Axon device or anything like that. :rolleyes: (Here's a

partial list of ALL ZTE smartphones --just for Android

-- which is 68. I'm not including all the other OS. I can only find 5 Axon devices in the list before the Axon 7, even if I include their tablets.)

See, the Axon Max came before the Axon Pro, which was then followed by the Axon 7. Once you have "Max", what can be beyond that? I guess they thought "Pro". But technically, Max is maximum and you can't do any more after that. Still, they gave us "Pro". And after that? NUMBERS!

I can see ZTE marketing execs saying, "We need a NUMBER. All the best selling phones like Samsung and iPhone have NUMBERS in their names! We need a NUMBER to be taken seriously!"

And someone says, "How about 7?" "Great!"

Then, the "Axon 7S" was just an iterative update, improving the Axon 7 slightly, a la OnePlus 3 and the OnePlus 3T. The 7S was not released outside China.

So, with the next world-release flagship model why not jump to 9? :p Heck go to 11! (Spinal Tap reference there.)

But yes, if it's a great phone, I don't care what they call it.