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[X Style (Pure) General] devsk:
I am hoping that version comes to US....typically, Android One is for emerging cheaper market. Moto X line was never designed with that market segment in mind (Moto E was).

If Moto X4 with Android One is truly updated by Google every month like Pixel devices, I would buy it in a heartbeat. I am very doubtful of that but who knows, may be Treble does allow Google to do this with no effort needed on their part after the initial release.
[X Style (Pure) General] sk8223:
I thought OEMs handled the updates for Android One devices. The Mi A1 is getting updated by Xiaomi, which thankfully is decent about updates... security updates, at least. As for Moto, IDK. IDK how I could trust Moto again. Technically I should, since I did receive the Nougat update, but it took waaaay too long.

I was about to buy the Mi A1 from Geekbuying yesterday, but the black version (which was discounted) got sold out... and Geekbuying changed the shipping date to 46 days. What??
[X Style (Pure) General] Zedik:
Every time I'm about to pull the trigger on the Moto G5 plus, and now the Moto G5s plus, I remind my self that I still didn't get Nouget after Motorola has promised the MXPE will get it.

And also there's seems to be a problem with the charging hardware of Moto devices. We have two MXPE 2015 and one Moto G4 plus, and all have charging issue : the charging port was replace on one MXPE, and the second seems to have a bad battery and charging port. It keeps shutting down randomly, no matter how much battery it has.

The Moto G4 plus stopped charging after 9 months, and we had to replace the charging port, which didn't fix the issue, so it's still in the service lab.

I think we are not going to buy Motorola again.
[X Style (Pure) General] sk8223:
Yeah, I was considering the G5 Plus or the G5S Plus, but I don't like how Moto's going about Nougat for the MXPE. So what if I got the update on my Style. What if I had a Pure? I'd be stuck on Marshmallow! Even ASUS, despite its horrible OEM skin over all of its phones and crappy headphone audio does its best to update its phones. My Zenfone 3 got Nougat, August security patch + planned O update next year. Too bad the screen and audio suck (I love the Moto X Style's screen so much now that I'm using it daily... it's as saturated as an OLED panel without the burn-in drawbacks; sad that battery sucks BAD).

So yeah, wait till the end of this month or next for the Mi A1 to go down in price. I'm looking forward to the 10V amplifier and stock Android... sweet, sweet stock Android. If you want to order it right now, check https://goldway.aliexpress.com/store/311331 This is a reputed seller trusted by reddit.com/r/Xiaomi but they only do DHL shipping, which means brokerage fees. And they only have ugly Rose Gold in stock. :( I want the black version so bad but it's overpriced everywhere
[X Style (Pure) General] SR3TLAW:
Moto X4 anyone?
[X Style (Pure) General] Cowbell_Guy:
Pixel2 only reasonable option for those on Verizon
[X Style (Pure) General] BackDaws:
LG V30 without a doubt and if you dont like the skin add the stock theme :) and its ace.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
After paying around with a used 6P from swappa and considering G5 Plus and G5S Plus, I think I'm going to sell the 6P and my 32GB X Pure (keeping the 64GB Pure) and buy an X⁴. I wish it had 4GB RAM and 64GB internal storage, tho.

I've read reviews and specs that state it will have Moto Voice, as well as Alexa and Google Assistant. I can't imagine that it will come with all three, but if it actually has Moto Voice, that functions like the Pure, I'll be super stoked.

I'm already looking forward to the Moto X⁴ forum.

ETA, Crud! Now I've found that there is an unlocked version of the Moto Z² Play....

I reckon I have more research to do.
[X Style (Pure) General] obs3rv:
I hard-bricked my XT1572 and find myself in the market for another device. I found that not owning a backup smartphone is kind of limiting (I have a ten-year old Nokia 2630 -- capable of running midlets conforming to MIDP 1.0 -- and that's it), so I've ordered a used Wileyfox Swift as that backup phone, from Amazon Warehouse Deals here in the UK. (I should be able to store it long-term with little impact to battery capacity because I can just store the battery separate from the phone rather than inside it -- one of the things possible with a removable battery.)

I think I'll try to get a used LG G5 H850 off an auction on eBay as the replacement for the dead XT1572, then sell the latter for parts. The former has a healthy XDA community, has much less drama in unlocking and relocking the bootloader, and seems to have an active Lineage OS port to it. (It also helps that it has a decent camera, fingerprint reader, nice display, removable battery, microSD card reader . . .)

If the XT1572 had not died, I probably would have tried to use it for at least another year, and then upgraded to a used, eBayed ZTE Axon 7 or similar phone of a similar vintage.

(I'm one of those people who always buy used phones -- they're fragile and depreciate too quickly for me to pay full price for a new one -- and I think the sweet spot for me is probably 12-18 month old flagship or near-flagship models that are just coming off warranty as people upgrade to new phones, and that due to their flagship-ness, have active XDA developer communities and daily driver quality Lineage OS ports. They've depreciated to the £150ish price range so I can snap them up, and if they break irretrievably, it stings but not so badly. And I then try to use them for at least two years before upgrading. I've found that's about the point at which things like newer versions of CM/Lineage OS start to lag or flake out as developers lose interest in the old device. Prior to this XT1572, I did this with a Samsung Galaxy S i9000 and a Sony Xperia Z C6603.)
[X Style (Pure) General] mikelebz:
Returning my Oneplus 5. Pre-ordered moto g5s plus from Motorola... Pre-order price for base model is $230 - 10% student discount - 5% mailing list discount make it $196 and change.... It's a no-brainer for me.

Will miss USB-C and notification light though.
[X Style (Pure) General] lip008:
I think I'm going to buy a used Pixel XL 32GB for $300 as my Pure replacement. The guy selling it has the VR head set and all the original packaging. It is the Verizon model but I'll deal with that. $300 is still more than I want to spend on a phone. I usually buy flagships like the other guy 12-18 months old around $250 or less and end up getting them NIB. I was hoping to hold out for a s8 but with the Best Buy sale being over for the unlocked version the price has seemed to jump back up on Swappa and in general.

I haven't put any ROMs on the Pure yet so maybe I'll experiment. I read about all the users on here tinkering and then getting poor OST or other issues with call volume. The amount of time I want to tinker with these phones is beginning to decline.
[X Style (Pure) General] Jonathanlc2005:
Just tried the essential phone and I can't get into it because of my spoiled taste for 2 speakers and headphone jack
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
HTC maybe?

Used is definitely the way to go. At this point, the Pure Edition and HTC Ten seem like good buys because they check all the boxes - price, good LCD screen, (especially on the MXPE) cellular bands, design, software, etc. Between those two though, I still prefer the Pure Edition (although I do have yet to try an M10 in person).

Just don't accidentally fold the 6P in half ;). It's one of the few newer smartphones that has such a feature.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
Roger, that!

While researching the X⁴ I found that the Z2 Play is currently available in an unlocked for all US carriers version and has double the internal storage and another gig of RAM, when compared to the X⁴. I'm about to pull the trigger on the Z2 Play. Trying to decide if saving $60 is worth going with a used "mint" over new from Motorola.
[X Style (Pure) General] lip008:
That was on my short list. Some guy around me is selling one for $450. I passed on that $300 Pixel last night and met some guy who sold me an unlocked s8+ with receipt (purchased in July) for $400. I'm spoiled with the two speakers as well but will let them go for the price/condition of 8+. I'll give the Pure a lot of credit because even if money was no object there wasn't a clear cut device that I had to have as the replacement.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
I stopped at the Costco kiosk, last night to look at Motorola phones. They had none, but they did have a butt ton of Samsungs. The Note 8 is crazy tall and shinny and the S8, while smaller, has the same tail and skinny craziness.
[X Style (Pure) General] lip008:
I don't mind the s8 being skinny, but the plus is definitely skinny crazy. For scoring it at $400 I'm not complaining. I may see if I can parlay it into another device through a trade but that brings me back to that I haven't really found something I love enough to just go out and get to replace the Pure. I don't care for any of the new moto phones. If there were no bezels on the their Z line I may be interested. Who wants a super thin device with a screen/device ratio of like 65% or whatever those awful things are.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
The Z2 Play is 70.1%...just sayin'.:silly:
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
on the topic of screen-to-body ratio...

It might be a repeat of what we saw with the HTC One line. They made the original M7 too good, and as a result, each consecutive release since then (M8, M9, M10, U, U11) has failed to measure up, even though every one of those successors is still highly attractive in its own right when not compared to the M7.

In the same way, Motorola has gone downhill (in terms of design) since the release of the Pure Edition. The "replacements," including the Z series and upcoming X4 aren't terrible looking, (at least when compared to their Apple and Samsung competition for 2017) but they fail to measure up to the standard that was set by the Pure Edition, which was so good that it simply didn't leave much room for improvement. For all intents and purposes, the Pure is Motorola's One M7.

For folks who are serious about moving on from the Pure Edition, they are just going to have to accept the fact that smartphone design is hitting a bit of a slump right now with these ugly 1980s-style rounded-corner screens (seriously, who thought that was a good idea?) and/or unsightly bezels. Motorola really caught a break with this one because if the other OEMs had continued down the path of improvement that they had set in the preceding years, Lenovo's smartphone line would be ridiculed right out of business. The only reason they remain competitive is because everybody else happened to make a similar mistake ("ugly is the new pretty"). Actually, if you look at it that way, then Motorola could possibly be considered the trendsetter and market leader!

TL;DR? The choice will be to either embrace the ugliness or wait it out until things (inevitably) self-correct.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
No. I read it all and I totally agree.

FYI, I just gave back from best buy, where I held the Z2 Play.

MAN! That thing is really slim! It's about the same size as the Pure, in height and width, maybe a couple mm taller.
[X Style (Pure) General] sk8223:
It's not carrier locked, right? Otherwise it has the chance of getting blacklisted... :( Happened to my friend who bought an iPhone that was locked to AT&T

I picked up the LeEco Pro 3 Elite from Banggood with cashback. lol That name. Was 166 USD, previously 134 USD with coupon. Good specs for a good price. But it's not gonna be my main phone, just a media player. Not unless I'm able to remove LeBloat and pings to Chinese servers. I'm still considering the Mi A1 but headphone static issues with it are making me reconsider. I might even go for the G5S Plus... ugh.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
on the case design of the z series...

I held an original Moto Z once and it was quite thin, but without the "style shell" or any of the other "Moto Mods" accessories, it just felt incomplete. If, for some strange reason, I ever did buy one of those, (and with its Oled screen, the odds of that are quite remote) it would always have at least something snapped to its back to avoid that feeling of Motorola Emptiness.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
I always have a case, on anyways....

Are the Super AMOLED screens really that much worse than the IPS LCD that will be on the X⁴?

I found thie YouTube and it seems that SUper AMOLED is nicer than IPS LCD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWA96CqiETg
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
My take on the "Oled versus LCD" debate

The YouTube smartphone reviewer establishment tries to drive that home every chance they get, but after having been burned by Samsung and their "Super Amoled" nonsense twice in a row, back-to-back, I decided that I was officially done with the technology for the foreseeable future (at least until it matured). My biggest problems were green tint, burn-in, and the unnatural color saturation that is forced in the software to perpetuate the Oled "vibrance" myth.

With advances in the technology, it appears that OEMs are starting to double down on making the accuracy at least a little bit better, (with some offering an option to force a natural display profile) but there's nothing that anybody can do about burn-in, short of counter-burning. This reality makes buying used devices on eBay a risky proposition.

Also, the Moto X Pure Edition has one of the best & brightest panels ever seen on a mobile device, so it's easy to see why so many of us are Oled skeptics now. It's tough to downgrade after experiencing the absolute best that the technology has to offer. I can't speak to the quality of the upcoming Moto X⁴, but because of the fact that it is a "midrange" machine, I don't have the highest of hopes that its panel will live up to the Pure Edition's legacy.
[X Style (Pure) General] sk8223:
As a fellow OLED skeptic I agree. My PS Vita's burn-in was so bad I sold it. Gorgeous screen though. But a bit too saturated for my tastes. I love my Style's screen and the blacks do look inky black. Heck, even my 5 year old ThinkPad produces those inky blacks with a much crappier panel (1600x900) and plays 1440p just fine. I won't pay extra for OLED especially since the screen will just end up degrading on me in 4 years. Even the S8 has burn-in issues now. WTF.

I'm gonna miss this phone's screen when I inevitably ditch it. 1080p 401ppi is the norm for many SD625 phones and I can't say I like it. Would love to see an iPhone-like 720p panel on an Android phone though. iPhone LCDs are so good.
[X Style (Pure) General] techware7:
Bought a Moto Z play off amazon deals, looks brand new. Got it with Marshmallow. Flashed Nougat, rooted, went back to marshmallow, then upgraded again. I'm liking it. I haven't restored all my 300 something apps I have but I'll do it this sunday and see if it lags. No lag right now. I have an X pure 64GB version and my wife has the 32 X pure. Battery life on X pure sucks BIG TIME. The front facing camera on the Z play is worse than the X pure. Video looks better on the Z play. Battery is a monster. Might sell both pures. I though about the G5+, G5S+ and low light camera/video just sucks BIG time on both the G5+ and even more on the G5S+. With a toddler at home you want to get at least some ok pics when the sun goes down...
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
Bought a swappa Z2 Play 64, last night.

Now, I have a 6P 128 and a Pure 32 to sell.

I'll keep the Pure 64 as a backup
[X Style (Pure) General] JoeNeckbone:
After bouncing back and forth between, Pixel 2, OP5, and V30 I decided on.....keeping this phone. After factory reset and upgrading to nougat recently the lag is gone. My only complaint with the pure is battery life, other than that, it is fine for how I use it.
[X Style (Pure) General] gokart2:
Was waiting on the Pixel 2XL exact specs. Have decided on the V30. As an avid audiophile, and a family photographer, it has won me over. I had an OG "made in the USA" Moto x with an amoled display and it had zero burn in, was amazing, best screen I had had yet. But hearing about the color bleeding from the S Korean LG v30's has me.a.bit skeptical. But this device after the N update is crap. I'm getting foreclosing on a ton of apps all the time. Has been a great device but I'm ready to move on. Gonna wait awhile still to get more feedback after both release, but I have steered towards the LG. Also, basing this off an UNLOCKED V30. If there isn't one. The makes things much different.
[X Style (Pure) General] ominousnimbus:
I'd love a 2 XL or even an XL, but the price differential for either against the MXPE's non-existent resale value isn't worth what they offer, at least for me. Adding a fingerprint reader, the extra 1 GB RAM, and moving away from Qualcomm's forsaken 808/810 era would all be the main selling points. If a new 128 GB XL somehow shows up somewhere around $500, I might do it.

I'm not noticing any perceptible improvement in either performance or battery life on 7.0 so far. Both are acceptable, but could be better. Also, I turned on encryption when I did the factory reset upon upgrading, and am already reminded of how the 808 runs noticeably worse with it enabled (not by a lot, but just enough to annoy me). The frequency with which recent app reloads happen, even with only 5-6 apps in the list and none being heavy duty games or anything, has always irked me with the MXPE. I feel like the XL or 2 XL would offer a significant ironing out of these quirks and annoyances. If they were still at or near Nexus pricing, it'd be a no-brainer. The MXPE has been a good device for the money, aside from updates. I really can't recall it being buggy or unreliable on any occasion - there are plenty of iPhone users who report more glitchiness than I've ever seen with this device. If it had shipped with 4 GB RAM and the 808 hadn't been such a dog, I probably wouldn't even be paying attention to the Pixels.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
Apple, Sony, and Motorola!

As furiously asinine as iOS can be, you've got to hand it to Apple for always equipping the iPhones with excellent cameras and top-notch display panels. I wouldn't expect anything less for the price, but still.

If you want to get back into it, Sony's updated version of the Vita (the 2000 series, if I remember correctly) not only ditched the Oled panel in favor of an LCD, but also switched over to a standard MicroUSB for charging and data transfer. They've held their value pretty well though, so it's up to you to decide whether it's worth it or not.

I thought they've held their value pretty well. $150-200+ for a circa-2015 device that was originally $400-600 brand new isn't too terribly bad in this era of rapidly-depreciating mobile devices. Especially with how vocal the peanut gallery has been about calling for everybody to trade in their Pure Editions in protest of the whole updates thing. I have the sneaking suspicion that these people love their Motorolas more than they're letting on ;).

This is speculation, but I personally blame the high-density screen of the Pure Edition for that. As stupendous as that brilliant LCD panel is, the fact that the phone has to render fonts and graphics at such a high resolution puts a tremendous burden on an already-overworked & half-baked chipset. The sheer power of the 808 can handle it, but it definitely breaks a sweat in the process. That's not to mention the fact that those cached higher-resolution graphics take up more memory too, so that's my best guess as to why this device's 3GB feels more like 1.5-2GB.

My personal theory is that if Motorola could've found a 1080x1920 version of the exact same LCD panel that was actually used on the Pure Edition, then this thing would've been truly unstoppable. Still, with so many phones using dingy old Oled displays or low-end LCDs, I'm just glad that the Pure got what it got. I'd take that over fingerprint scanners, NFC, infrared, or any other value-added feature

any day

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[X Style (Pure) General] sk8223:
Hey, you're right about all of that stuff including iPhone glitches! Man, my iPhone 6 drove my up the wall with all the audio bugs and memory refreshes I experienced in iOS 10. Now I know why Apple ditched the headphone jack. :mad: The 7.0 MXPE with a screen downgraded to 1080p is better overall, but memory refreshes on it while gaming are irritating as hell, especially when you're going from a encrypted 4/64 SD625 phone back to a 3/16 (in reality, 9 GB) SD808. I'll never encrypt this phone, it'd start slowing to a crawl if I did that!

One thing I do appreciate is the clarity of video. Viewing angles are so good and media consumption is great on this screen. I watch videos on the bus all the time and I'm always taken back by how crisp and accurate the screen looks even with CF.Lumen and Night Mode enabled. And people say LCD is inferior to AMOLED.

I'll forgive Lenovo if they stop overpricing their phones and bring their phones to Canada. I don't want to pay nearly $400 for the Moto X4. Especially since I can get an iPhone SE for $200 or less.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
I'm pretty sure a V30 will be the wife's next phone and there will be a US unlocked version. I believe the model number will be US998.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1357369-REG/lg_lgus998_ausasv_lg_v30_us998_64gb.html

Watch out, tho! It appears that the US Cellular version, stupidly has the same model number

http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-US998-Silver-lg-v30
[X Style (Pure) General] gokart2:
Yeah, waiting on the 998 unlocked one. If it follows past unlocked LG's, it'll have bootloader unlockability. Also though for a sec about the color bleeding......the Pixel 2 xl and V30 share the same screen.....wonder how many Pixels will have bleeding? Lol
[X Style (Pure) General] sk8223:
I actually like the Moto X Style enough to use it as a work phone, despite the grief it put me through today. The damn thing burned my fingers throughout the day and I was afraid to keep using it because I was sure that it'd die on me this time. I can't even imagine how bad the internals must be from all the heat output now. I don't even game on the thing anymore! I only read offline pages in Chrome. That's the most intensive thing I've done all day. Sheesh. It locked up on me so much today. Hopefully uninstalling a bunch of apps will make it more responsive.

I got my secondary phone today and I'm enjoying it so far. Got it for $160 USD + another $13 off from cashback. Great price for great specs. Shame it doesn't pass SafetyNet. That's why I have to keep my Moto around. Best part: no heat! It's also weighs less than the Moto. I rather like the build quality, too. But I prefer the Moto's screen, of course.

Oh yeah, and I'm still looking for a viable replacement for my Moto X. Can't replace it with the LeEco even if I wanted to because 32 gigs of storage isn't enough. I'm rethinking my decision to purchase the Mi A1 what with all the glitches. And the bad headphone audio. Why do so many phones these days come with compromises. :( It's either no headphone jack, no expandable storage, a hefty price tag, or something else stupid. I feel like we're regressing.
[X Style (Pure) General] tenson22000:
I'm waiting for Huawei mate 10 lite... Seems to be a good option.
[X Style (Pure) General] CLETjB:
First Generation Google Pixel XL 64 is looking like a good replacement, plus it's good at getting monthly security updates, and can be rooted, but it's still a bit pricey.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
You didn't say what your "secondary phone" is

I got a Moto Z2 Play a couple weeks ago and am enjoying it. I got the US Unlocked version, but they're are several. It has 64GB of internal storage, 4GB RAM, an SD card slot and a headphone jack. I have not experienced any heat from it, tho it's already cold, here, so time will tell. It's very thin and lighter than the Moto X Pure Edition and gets MUCH better battery life.