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[X Style (Pure) General] sk8223:
It's the Le Pro3 Elite, as listed in my signature. 4 things I hate about it:

-the annoying charging LED you can't turn off without rooting or Xposed (I'm assuming)

-No expandable storage. I have only 6 gigs left

-No headphone jack; I have to keep an eye on battery life while browsing and listening to music now

-eUI sucks and I'm running a modded version of it that doesn't pass SafetyNet (not an issue if you buy from the U.S.); stuck on 6.0 without official updates because LeEco is bankrupt and ready to die
[X Style (Pure) General] meissner.t:
I finally replaced my X, too. The battery life was just not bearable anymore. It was hard to find something new that didn't blew the budget and could be considered an improvement over the X. The new X4 was not an option at all. I settled on a Sharp Aquos S2. I went with the SD660 / 6GB / 128GB version. Imported to the US and running great on AT&T

The good:

* Performance is great, awesome SOT (6h+)

* Almost stock Android, no bloatware. Came with N 7.1.1 and September Security patch

* 2nd SIM/ SD card slot

* display is very nice, crisp and bright

* very compact and small form factor, 80% body to display ratio

* Unique (at least in the US)

To get used to:

* no headphone jack. I got mixed feelings about this, but it's a compromise I was willing to make

* I don't expect to see a lot of dev support on this and I have no clue about sharps update policies.

The bad

* no stereo speaker. This was a big sacrifice since the build in speaker on the bottom does not sound particularly good. Will have to use headphones more often from now on

Cheers,

T
[X Style (Pure) General] Jonathanlc2005:
I unfortunately am in this same boat. My phone got completely destroyed by a person who has mental issues. I actually liked that phone and got a replacement of it last month under warranty too :(

I wish I could buy the customized version I got but that will be a price I'm not willing to dish.

So... I'm forcing that one to pay for it, should I go essential or wait for the s9 due to the headphone jack?
[X Style (Pure) General] SR3TLAW:
Appreciate everyone's detailed input so far. This has been a great thread.

Walked into Verizon today and actually got my hands on the new Pixel 2. Getting my hands on the device especially something important like a cell phone is always something I encourage. Spending serious money on something regardless of all the great reviews I read on the web. It's like buying a $500 fragrance and just hoping that it smells good? Lol

Absence of a Headphone jack will be tough to part with. It reminds me a whole lot of the Ethernet (RJ45) jack. Super funny fact. I just learned as I'm typing this: Most people think that Wi-Fi stands for wireless fidelity - way wrong. Even if it did there is absolutely no "Fidelity" in Wireless. If you're like me and unsure what "Fidelity" means please google it like I just did and I hope you smile as I did lol.
[X Style (Pure) General] digitalmahdi:
Loved my moto, it passed away 2 nights ago. I dont know should I go for minimal budget this time and take Mi A1 or wait for One Plus 5T and get that pretty, any thoughts on this?
[X Style (Pure) General] Spencervb256:
I'd wait for the 5t personally...but that's just me. I got the OP5 just before it went out of stock, and I am loving oos as well as the amazing development community behind the device. I'd hold.out for the 5t, or get a 5 from an unofficial seller
[X Style (Pure) General] Brandroid28:
Wish I had more options. I started getting the digitizer problem that seems somewhat common. Don't think it's worth the $130 someone is asking to fix it. I could just try to replace it myself, but I'd still need help getting the stripped screws out. US Cellular sucks, and I'm stuck, lol.
[X Style (Pure) General] Spencervb256:
Nah I'd say not worth it. I replaced my screen after cracking, tried to do it myself, then ****ed up tiny pins on the motherboard where the flex cable for the LCD went in. Had to get them micro soldered for ~70usd. A month later that screen became unresponsive on the bottom corner....and so I had to get it fixed AGAIN with a new screen...which wasn't even great quality as none of the replacement screens are. So in the end, I spent 100 on the first new screen, 70 on the micro soldering (I know my fault for ****ing up the tiny connectors) and then another 130 for replacing the screen a second time. What I thought would have been an easy 100 dollar fix, turned into around 300 in the end. Partly crappy luck, but still, replacement screens are not great quality, so in my opinion not worth it
[X Style (Pure) General] Brandroid28:
Yeah, I thought it'd be easier from the iFixit guide, but I fkd up already, lol. So I probably would again. I actually messed up a year ago, when I bought this from Swappa to save $35 for a brand new one - that'd still be under warranty. It became unusable with all the navbar ghost-touching. Doesn't respond at all now. The guy said he already bought the parts, so I hope he can return em, or I'll just have to pay whatever rectifies it. That price included a new battery. But another X Pure on Swappa would cost $170. Guess I'll tough it out and find a navbar alternative. Really gonna miss it. Thanks for the input. Feel a lot better about just leaving it alone. Couldn't believe my luck, either.
[X Style (Pure) General] Oaklands:
I am going to give this device to my son. I finally decided on a Samsung Note 8. I have always been hesitant to go with Samsung due to their reception not being as strong as Motorola. However, I have tested it in some marginal areas and it keeps a signal and passes my test. I'm really happy with the features and so far it is a great phone. I was down to the Pixel 2 XL and the Note 8. I never even looked at the Pixel, when I went in the store, due to all the problems they are having.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
Word on the street is that the replacement screens are no good

I was thinking of buying a cheap, broken-screen Pure Edition to keep around as a backup, but it looks like even that wouldn't be worth it. Your findings are reflected in the eBay and Amazon customer reviews for almost every replacement screen assembly available (at least the reasonably-priced ones) due to the high defect rate. There is some speculation that they're all just factory rejects.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
I bought my original, 32 GB MXPE, from an Amazon sale, in December of 2015, for $350. About a 6 months later, B&H Photo had a 64GB MXPE for $250. I kept the 32 as a backup. I tried a Nexus 6P out, this summer, but really missed Moto Actions. I got Z2 Play about a month ago. The battery life is WAY better than either MXPE or the 6P. Now the MXPE 64 is the backup and the MXPE 32 & 6P are listed on swappa.
[X Style (Pure) General] Jonathanlc2005:
Hey guys... I wanted to update. I switched to the essential when it went $450. I love it. The stereo speakers and the headphone jack is a bummer but apparently they are releasing one soon as a mod. Battery life is phenomenal!!

I get 6 hours on screen time
[X Style (Pure) General] sk8223:
The G5 Plus seems to be pretty cheap in the States... as little as $70 in-store at Wal-Mart. You guys are lucky b*stards. If I had the time to go on a cross-country trip for one I would. Otherwise anyone wanting stock Android can go for the Mi A1, which is patched for Krack AFAIK. It should come down in price by next year.
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
$70?!?! Where the heck have you see that? The E4 16GB for Verizon pre-paid (locked) is $70 on sale once in a while.

The G5+ runs $229/$299 retail and on sale $179/$239 or so
[X Style (Pure) General] Jonathanlc2005:
Best buy has an offer where it's 50 dollars off unlocked phones and additional 50 if you get cricket Sim but just sell it online
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
That's still no where near $70, but still a good deal. If a guy could apply that to the E4 Plus it would be around $70 but I imagine you have to maintain Cricket service for a while, and with them dumping their 8 and 12 GB plans it wouldn't work for me.
[X Style (Pure) General] sk8223:
In-store deals from Wal-Mart. Weird that you Americans don't know about it while us Canadians do: https://forums.redflagdeals.com/wal...unlocked-phones-store-only-major-ymmv-2139553

We're so desperate for cheap good phones that we know all the U.S. deals lol Phones are super pricey up here in the snowy north
[X Style (Pure) General] aybarrap1:
It's not that we don't know but rather that deals like this are extremely limited and not really advertised since it is probably only at a relatively few select stores. I have multiple Walmarts (at least 7) within 20 miles of me and it is next to impossible to find any phenomenal deals like the one you link on phones in stock. Reason: either they never get shipped in, or they get a very limited quantity which most of the time the workers snatch up before it can get to the shelves. I just don't bother anymore.
[X Style (Pure) General] G_Man18:
My MXP is still getting me through, but I am looking. I do not need the latest/greatest, but I need Verizon US compatible, want removable SD card, and I am kind of an old dog that likes certain apps that require root--Root Explorer, TiBU, Gravity Box, LMT Pie Launcher, and just control of my phone. Oh, and I will not buy another phone from Verizon. So that makes the Moto phones about the best fit. I have narrowed down to G5S+ and the X4. I am leaning toward the X4 with the better processor, screen, water resistance and camera. The two things holding me back are lack of TWRP and Magisk (so far), and the available versions. I cannot understand why the 4G/64G X4 is not available in the US. I almost jumped on the Black Friday discount, but I thought that price was even high for a 32G phone. So I will hang with the MXP a little longer and see what the developers get done (I love those guys) and what Moto offers. If my phone crashes out tomorrow, I will get the G5S+.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
The price will drop like a box of rocks, but the camera will remain mediocre...

Waiting it out is probably the best bet at this point. The pricing volatility on these things is astonishing. "If you don't like the price, just wait two weeks" ;)

My main concern would be with the cameras. I have the feeling that going from the Pure Edition to the 4th-generation X or G5S+SuperDuper would lead to a noticeable drop in image quality. It's worrying enough that I personally wouldn't even consider it without seeing some side-by-side comparisons.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
The wife got the X4 last week.

FYI, the system takes up 13GB of that 32GB internal storage.

The camera has a slow shutter speed.

I will be attempting to install the Google camera app. I think it is a possibility, but haven't had the time to try, since we are feverishly building props and rehearsing for a Christmas play. ;)

ETA, I side loaded Google camera version 4.4 and the shutter is virtually instantaneous. The only issue is that there is no setting to save pics to SD card.
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
Yeah... The system space thing is because of Nougat's software slots, there is essentially two copies of the system software on the phone.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
That's what I read, also.

It came as a surprise, but the wife doesn't use much storage.

Just wouldn't want others to be caught off guard.
[X Style (Pure) General] aybarrap1:
Thanks for the info.
[X Style (Pure) General] the-light:
Im waiting for my mate 9 to arrive. I still think mxp is the best phone ever spec wise to its time, it had it all, today, there will be compromise with every phone
[X Style (Pure) General] aybarrap1:
I agree. Sticking with the phone a little longer. If it wasn't for the weak processor, I would have jumped on the Nokia 6.
[X Style (Pure) General] StankFiss:
If I wasn't on Verizon I would pounce on the oneplus5t.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
I would at least like to try a One Plus device, but Verizon.

I really do like my Moto Actions / Voice!

I was DD a Nexus 6P for a while but couldn't live without that Moto stuff. I tried to make it close, but couldn't get a reliable app for reading SMS aloud when driving.
[X Style (Pure) General] StankFiss:
I love moto apps also. Ive stuck with them for a long time. From bionic to ultra to moto pure. They haven't made a phone that I must have. Biding time till I see the moto x5 specs. No leaks of yet just rumor. The Moto pure should last another year or 2. Still a beast with nougat.
[X Style (Pure) General] Jonathanlc2005:
I switched to the essential but I miss the pure so I bought one as a backup
[X Style (Pure) General] jonpagecr:
Finally I had switched to Xiaomi Mi A1 , It's really a good phone.

pd. I still miss the stereo speakers.
[X Style (Pure) General] 2be3_80:
And how is ? compared with Moto?
[X Style (Pure) General] jonpagecr:
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overall the Xiaomi takes good photos, but not on low light.

the Zoom is better on Xiaomi Mi A1, you can see the comparison below

[IMG="Xiaomi Mi A1"]https://i.imgur.com/YrRreFD.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG="Moto X Pure"]https://i.imgur.com/ftfIIwu.jpg[/IMG]
[X Style (Pure) General] 2be3_80:
Is that a cropped image? Could you please attach 2 original shots? Thanks
[X Style (Pure) General] jonpagecr:
here you have another set of photos

Moto X Pure

[IMG="Moto X Pure"]https://i.imgur.com/G2rGmxd.jpg[/IMG]

Xiaomi Mi A1

[IMG="Xiaomi Mi A1"]https://i.imgur.com/kSQVH8M.jpg[/IMG]
[X Style (Pure) General] autobotguy:
Well my Moto X Pure bought the farm and no longer reads SIM cards. I've jumped ship and moved onto the Galaxy Note 5. Picked a 32gb unlocked for only $200. The sounds is definitely not as good as the Moto X Pure, but its still decent after you run Samsung's Adaptive Sound setup. Not a chance of Oreo coming officially to the Note 5, but after experiencing it on a Nexus 6p, its no big deal. Currently rocking 108mb down, 60mb up on Family Mobile's LTE unlimited plan. ^_^

BTW...i'm sorely missing Moto's wiggle camera and chop-chop flashlight gestures. I used those all the time!
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
Comments on gestures

While the double-tap power button camera gesture is an adequate substitute on that issue, stock Android has no replacement for the flashlight gesture, and it's something that I miss more than anything else when I'm away from my Pure Edition. I'm surprised that other OEMs haven't caught on to this by now.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
:o

https://swappa.com/listing/VNT893/view
[X Style (Pure) General] xantanion:
Oh geez. You live near me
[X Style (Pure) General] sk8223:
$210 for the X Pure?? ? Seriously though, take to Craigslist and Kijiji and you'll find plenty of people who'll be willing to pay this price or more. Since it's mint and 64 gigs, you might be able to eke out $250 for it, or even more if you post on Kijiji or something. Swappa's filled with tech-savvy people looking for a good deal. And you don't have to deal with refunds or scams with Kijiji/Craigslist since it's all cash.

If anyone is wondering about the LeEco Pro3 and its many variants--they're worth it for $150 USD or less. Of course, I paid $208 Canadian rupees for mine because of how little our currency is worth. My Pro3 Elite has been holding up great. Haven't run into any SafetyNet issues and online games... online games play like a charm on this thing. I used to struggle so hard to game on my Moto X Style and now I game for hours without the battery dying on me or the phone heating up to dangerous levels.

However, I've only played 2D online games and 2D PSP games on my LeEco, but I think it'd do just fine with 3D gaming. If you want a phone specifically for Pokemon GO or some other online game (yes, people like this do exist, like me), you can't go wrong with the LeEco Pro3, especially since it has a 4000mAh battery and now, Oreo ROMs! The GPS is quite accurate and the phone has 1700/2100 3G and 4G, so it'll work with T-Mobile. In Canada, this means the phone is compatible with all carriers.

I have yet to flash a custom ROM on mine, for reasons. The games I play aren't compatible with 8.1 :/

I've debloated the LeEco's ROM and it's performance is pretty snappy thanks to UFS 2.0. But storage is a real issue. 3 gigs left out of 32ish. Not good.

I've even gotten used to using the included headphone dongle. :crying: This is our future now. Also, the camera in this thing is better than the Moto X Style's, but what newer IMX camera isn't. I still use my Moto X for video recording though, because I can put an SD card in it. But focusing is a real b*tch.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
Thanks, for your constructive criticism and suggestions.

I'd rather get less for it than deal with the thugs prowling Craigslist.

I don't know what Kijiji is, but I'll check it out.

ETA, I'm not in Canada. Can I use Kijiji anyway?

Is it like Canadian Craigslist?

Would someone in Canada buy this phone?
[X Style (Pure) General] sk8223:
I agree about Craigslist, it's shady as hell. But Kijiji here in Canada is really safe. I thought it was available in the U.S. but it seems Kijiji in the U.S. is now eBay Classifieds.

As for Kijiji, it's easy to get away with selling a phone for a high price if your ad is well written enough. Probably because phones cost ridiculous amounts here, lol. You just have to wait a while for responses.

If not Craigslist, try Facebook Marketplace. I got an 8 quart Instant Pot off there for $100 CAD, and the Instant Pot is not cheap these days. Especially not the 8 quart version. I think you could get away with charger $250 if you make the ad detailed enough.
[X Style (Pure) General] Poiuyt00:
Well I got the Pixel 2 XL and I was fine with it but apparently you can't use hot spot on it with Total Wireless. So I have to try and sell it now. Still looking I guess. Worried that all newer phones might have the Hot Spot not function with TW now.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
Hotspot won't work, even after rooting?
[X Style (Pure) General] dzidexx:
I am waiting for Xiaomi Redmi Note 5.

https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_redmi_note_5-8893.php
[X Style (Pure) General] Poiuyt00:
OH I am sure you can but I don't want to root as I still wish to use Android Pay.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
Ah, torn between two lovers.
[X Style (Pure) General] 2be3_80:
What about magisk?
[X Style (Pure) General] aybarrap1:
Yep. Thus far Magisk offers the best of both worlds. So far it has worked perfectly in holding root and an unlocked bootloader so I can still use Android pay, banking apps, etc.
[X Style (Pure) General] Spencervb256:
Exactly. Plus Google has seemed to stop caring about stopping it for that past few months...so it's thriving
[X Style (Pure) General] smithmal:
Accidental post...

Smithmal
[X Style (Pure) General] nocaps:
Or if you don't want to hack your phone and play whack-a-mole with Google's attempts to block exploits you can just use pdaNet and tether via USB. Even if it worked you may not want to use native tethering with Total Wireless since TW prohibits tethering and native tethering sets a flag that tells the carrier the hotspot function is active. They haven't seemed to enforce the tethering ban thus far but why broadcast the fact that you are doing it? A pdaNet USB connection combined with VPN will effectively conceal tethering in most cases. If you need to feed lots of devices then this may not work for you, but if you primarily just want to connect a laptop it's a good solution that would prevent you from having to sell the phone.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
FYI, sold it, this past weekend for $200! :p
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
Well done

For a phone with such a whiny userbase, the fact that somebody was willing to pay $210 it indicates to me that it sure does hold its value well and perhaps isn't as hated as the peanut gallery might lead us to believe. At any rate, you definitely made out well there.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
Especially, since I bought it, new in December 2016, from B&H Photo, for $260.

I really liked the X Pure. It had lots of development, great speakers and screen. I had two, at one time and would run different ROMs on each.

The only real cons were battery life and weight.
[X Style (Pure) General] sk8223:
Maybe that person didn't know much about smartphones and assumes brand name = good. Motorola's always had a great reputation worldwide, after all.

I think us whiners have a right to whine. Lenovorola pushed the Nougat update out after a year of nothing, and right as Google and other OEMs were planning Oreo roll outs. It's a shame HMD Global is choosing to cripple their new Nokia line-up by not allowing people to unlock the bootloader, or else Nokia could be the new Motorola, except better. The Motorola that Motorola used to be.

I'm mostly angry that we're not getting any security updates. Even Xiaomi does that much for its devices, including low-end phones like the Redmi 3S. And they've got market share in third-world countries with populations that can't always afford to care for that kind of stuff.

I hope Treble fixes bull**** attitudes towards updates once and for all.
[X Style (Pure) General] xantanion:
I agree with the security updates to a point. Most users will never be affected by the flaws as most use their phones for games and Facebook. Users like us who modify and do other things like it to be the most up to date but comparing oems to Google is not fair. Google controls Android so it makes sense their phones are the first to update. But even then they only get 2 years of updates. When did the pure release exactly?
[X Style (Pure) General] aybarrap1:
This phone is already more than 2 years old so expecting updates now is unrealistic. Even Google limited updates to a certain timeframe. Now I will admit Lenovo dropped the ball on getting at least quarterly updates to us. However they did finally come through with nougat and a subsequent security update to address the KRACK vulnerability. The update was after the 2 year mark by the way.

I believe HMDGlobal is still looking into the possibility of showing for unlocked bootloaders. However you have to keep in mind that they have only recently come back into market under the Nokia name. They are more concerned about getting market share up.

EDIT: Not really defending "Lenovorola" about the updates but they had Nougat in testing some time ago. The word out as to the delay came down to some issues with the update installing and causing problems with the device (bootlooping, bricking, or something and I don't want to really go digging to clarify). So Lenovo did not release the update until after they fixed the problem(s). Given that the MXPE was no longer their latest and greatest at this point, they probably did not push that hard to get it done timely. Either way, at least they came through with the update and for that I give Lenovo a "tiny" bit of credit.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
I never understood it... and still don't

Do you though? Look at the comparable devices from other OEMs released around the time of the Pure Edition from Samsung and LG. The Pure Edition wasn't much more than a month or two behind them with the release of a stock Rom based on Android N. Also, as [MENTION=2444885]aybarrap1[/MENTION] pointed out, this phone got both the Bluetooth and the WiFi (KRACK) patch, with the latter being released outside of the two year support window.

For that reason, I still fail to see what all the fuss was about.
[X Style (Pure) General] JoeNeckbone:
After coming across this... https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...-via-google-store-financing-free-18w-charger/ I pulled the trigger....should be arriving by the end of this week. :good:
[X Style (Pure) General] slim6596:
My Moto X pure went haywire one morning and went into a bootliop. I manually flashed the stock Nougat ROM and it seemed ok for a bit. Then random reboots, Bluetooth issues, and general buggies caused me to finally switch to the iPhone 8 Plus. Got the 256gb model and couldn’t be happier.
[X Style (Pure) General] pizza_pablo:
:eek::confused::eek: