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[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] tboy2000:
So the P10 apparently uses different components​ for memory which results in different speeds during use. Lots of people complaining.

The Mate 9 is advertised as using the faster UFS 2.1 memory. Is this the case of are we being made a fool of too?

Install A1 SD Bench and tap internal SD card for a quick bench.

Post your result to check consistency. One of the attached photos shows a high read result 358mb. That was taken from this video: [youtube]-BkHCJ3uv9Q[/youtube]

My result is significantly lower 179mb (see other photo).

What's your result?
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] novastar1:
eMMC / ufs lottery seems to be an extremely stupid move by Huawei.. Especially since they are trying to better establish their brand name

But nothing new though, there is:

Sharp/Samsung/JDI Panel lottery on even the most expensive and high performing Samsung TVs

Hynix/ Samsung/ micron memory lottery on Nvidia gpus

Explosive battery lottery on note 7

Sudden death lottery on note 2

Bootloop lottery on LG g4

Just goes to show that being an early adopter really makes no sense in most cases

Still happy with my mate

But appalled that Huawei would risk their name just to keep up supply
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] Sasa_Jevric:
Mine is 314,6 read, write 124.2

I don't know how to add picutre here :)
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] fengzi88:
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[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] MaTiCeK-:
I am so appalled by this. I hate when companies are making falls promises.

I see most of us get speeds around 350mbps. In the P10 articles, they are using the AndroBench app an there the threshold for UFS 2.1 is around 700mbps.

Reading speeds of my Mate 9 in AndroBench are around 550 mbps. Go figure...View attachment 4120922
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] microhaxo:
I am getting ~590 read in androbench as well.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] kunalmalviya:
I was debating between this and s8+ and just ordered mate 9 couple of days ago but now debating whether to keep it or return it. Had mate 8 which I really liked.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] Sasa_Jevric:
I am getting too about 590 in androbench app. I been reading somewhere that UFS 2.1 should get above 700 in androbench app. I don't know what to think now ?
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] zayidhs:
These are what I got
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] ShaKki:
interesting, way higher than most here on reading but half as slow in writing lol
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] cnutt1:
331 and 118 for me
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] MaTiCeK-:
This is getting more and more suspicious. Now Huawei have removed mentions of UFS 2.1 memory on the Mate 9 product page!

Android Authority has an article on it.

I for one am selling this phone and steering clear of Huawei for the foreseeable future.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] novastar1:
Keeping mine I think.

It's the same phone that I was happy with yesterday before I saw the news. It's still a step up from my OnePlus 3

I'll keep my eye open and never buy anything at launch though.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] MaTiCeK-:
I should have said I was thinking about switching anyway...
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] tboy2000:
This is really sad news. I love my Mate 9 but I feel really cheated. I will be honest the specs including the inclusion of UFS 2.1 memory was a huge selling point. It's also why I haven't put a micro SD card in my phone and am using the internal storage only as I thought it would be the fastest. Don't know what to think especially with my poor results in the OP.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] MaTiCeK-:
[MENTION=350938]tboy2000[/MENTION] i totally agree!
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] microhaxo:
Despite being under 700 in read (more like ufs2.0 590), this is the fastest phone i've ever used.

Feeling like you have to question the legitimacy of what you paid for though is no fun..
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] 5[Strogino]:
Wait and don't sell Mate 9 !

Are you really trust to Androbench where sample file is too small to show accurate results?

What is purpose of using it? Does it show real type of hardware? No! It just reads sample and measures speed, but it does mean nothing.

Is anybody know right method to test f2fs with his caching and optimizations? I think "simple read" is not right there.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] Swan Princess:
Darn! So Huawei is playing the UFS lottery on the Mate 9 as well? Is there nothing sacred?! I feel quite disappointed right now.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] vista1984:
As a Chinese. I feel so ashame. I hope they will make detail explaination and apologies. I like this phone alot but this is not acceptable.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] tboy2000:
Yes why remove the reference of UFS 2.1 from the Mate 9 advertising too? The only reason they would do this is if they are using different suppliers and components too and can't guarantee USF. Just like the P10 saga. Shocking!
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] tboy2000:
So I tried AndroBench and got around 500 or so. I then went to Phone Manager app and ran the Clean Up tool and then tried AndroBench again. This time I got over 700. See screenshot. So guys try cleaning files, memory and cache with Phone Manager before trying AndroBench.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] ginda10:
So I've just read this where they compared with samsung ufs 2.0 with mate 9 ufs 2.1.

So is it safe to say that if the sequential read is above 500+ then it's ufs 2.1?

artice link
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] yfnew:
I tried to find the Mate 9 product page on Web Archive and did not see the page mentioning UFS storage from one of the old archived copies. Also, on Huawei's Chinese website, it still says that all Mate 9 have UFS 2.1 flash. I believe that all Mate 9 have UFS 2.1 flash, but it is not as optimized as the UFS version of P10 (or the EMUI 5.1 software from P10 has some optimization), so the speed is slightly slower.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] Sasa_Jevric:
Mine is still 580 ?
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] progosu:
it has nothing to do with optimisation, it's either UFS 2.1 or not. If you're getting speeds around 500-600MB/s on read then you got UFS 2.0, if you get around 300 read you got eMMC. If all the phones had UFS 2.1 they wouldn't have removed it from the specification list on their website.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] nikooe:
These are the results I got.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] tboy2000:
Wow great results. My write speeds are terrible.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] Leighm0:
Not sure if this is an issue with the Mate 9 Pro but looks like mine is ok..
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] tboy2000:
Sorry is this mate 9 or pro version?
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] WieserZ1C:
MHA-L29 Customisation 432 Europe, delivered by Provider ( 1&1 , Germany
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] MaTiCeK-:
Hm, could it be, that provider versions have UFS 2 and SIM-free/free market versions have UFS 2.1?

Probably not, but it's worth exploring...
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] yfnew:
No. 500-600MB/s is not UFS 2.0. See this chart. UFS 2.0 can only reach 350MB/s sequential read speed. Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-128gb-ufs-mobile-storage,28639.html
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] microhaxo:
So it looks like the majority of us are on UFS2.1 which is good.

They probably took UFS 2.1 down from the mate 9 page just in case there was a possibility that they used different chips, they didnt want a snowball effect. Unfortunately by taking it down, it made it appear worse.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] zayidhs:
This is what I was about to talk about. Most people have no idea which speed UFS 2.1 begins. Everyone is thinking 700MBps (I did too!) until a little research (http://www.edn.com/design/integrated-circuit-design/4442378/Choosing-a-mobile-storage-interface--eMMC-or-UFS) did me good.

eMMC 5.1 with all tweaks and prioritised settings to get a high benchmark score can only attain about 400MBps. UFS 2.1 can achieve about 40% more than the eMMC 5.1. That's about 560MBps

This is a thread some guys were commenting on reddit:

CassiuziPhone 7+ Traitor (and Nexus 7) • 150d

As true as this may be, it's worth taking with a pinch of salt. Different benchmarks can, and do give very different results in their storage speed tests.

For example, GSMArena measured a 128 GB iPhone 7 and got:

Read - 926 MBytes/s

Write - 308 MBytes/s

Which is far higher than what Anandtech got for their tests, and also higher than what the Mate 9 got, as shown in the OP's table.

Ideally we'd have a reliable, cross-platform, consistent test, but as far as I know, we don't have one for storage speed between iOS and Android, yet.

100

TachyonGunXDA Portal Team • 150d

Worth knowing: AnandTech uses custom settings on Androbench. I've tried their settings and confirmed it, that's why most people's results are different than theirs, most sites just fire the benchmark on default settings. They only use one I/O thread, change the test size and make the block size for the test smaller. By default Androbench will spit numbers not commensurable with real-world usage.

I'm not going to beat myself over nothing. I'm getting over 600MBps, and my phone is freaking fast and smooth.

What more could I ask for?.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] panchovix:
before anything, yes antutu is not that app that should be taken on mind here, but anyways

why is that score so low? i tough 140-145K it was the normal score for the Mate 9, what is your RAM score?
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] progosu:
stop spreading this bull****, I have UFS 2.0 on my OP3 and here is the result:
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] panchovix:
this is right, <600 is UFS 2.0 (to be sure tho, i would say 550 or 500 is pretty reachable too at 2.0)
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] storm00:
My results...
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] Governa:
My Mate 9 L29C432B156.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] storm00:
After clean memory...
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] dannytgt:
There's is mine
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] xdesouz:
Huawei mate 9 128gb 6gb china ver

My benchmark result is 758mbps on androbench and 635mbps on a1 bench..

My random write on androbench is too high (147mbps) .. Is it normal? Why everybody else just get 20mbps??
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] iceanger:
Mine reached 810mbps on androbench~
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] itsjustmeagain:
Mha-l29c432
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] tboy2000:
Why is my sequential write so low compared to you guys? Something is not right.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] JayVee:
I do have similar values. Maybe it is a peculiarity of the 6GB/128GB Chinese version?
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] goranimo:
MHA-L29C432B156 bought in EU

A1 SD Bench: 652 / 142 MB/s

AndroBench: 742 / 181 MB/s
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] Diplodocus123:
This ist ridiculous... I'm so angry right know! First and last Huawei device for sure!
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] sinnedone:
Lol :D

Is the phone still as fast as it was before you read this article?

Does the phone still have a Kirin 960 that outperforms the new hotness Samsung Galaxy S8 with it's snapdragon 835?

I suggest everyone stop looking for things that are wrong and be happy with your purchase. :good:
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] Diplodocus123:
Hm, that is correct. But anyways I was willing to pay 100% of the price so I should expect to get 100% of the device that was advertised. Simple as that. Why the hell should I accept anything worst I have payed for? I just don't get it.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] BLEK0TA:
Mine results http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/58fcb16d7cccb/Screenshot_20170423-155018.png?

http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/58fcb178cdf7c/Screenshot_20170423-154132.png?

So mine have definitely usf 2.0 and no 2.1
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] tboy2000:
Yes I partly agree with your post. It is still a fast phone. However I do feel cheated if I assumed I was buying a phone with fast UFS 2.1 Storage and fast DDR4 ram and it may not have it now. I feel really cheated. Especially now Huawei have taken down all reference of such memory specs from their advertising where it was once before. This makes the whole thing even more suspicious. Surely this illegal? To advertise one thing and sell you something else? Such a shame. I love Huawei and their phones and want them to succeed. Why ruin their reputation now with such bait and switch components. I do have a sour taste in my mouth now.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] BLEK0TA:
So after clean memory tried again and it look I have definitely usf 2.1
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] BLEK0TA:
No I have provider version and look on my last result.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] JayVee:
This is indeed a great disgrace but companies always create something like a backdoor...
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] leo72793:
Radn the androbench test and i got this.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] sinnedone:
I'm not saying don't be disappointed with this news, what I am saying is in everything in life if you look for faults....You WILL find them.

This is common practice in manufacturing especially is electronics.

It's called​ a silent revision. It's usually because either the original spec'd parts are in short supply so must be replaced by something else, OR that cheaper components that perform similarly are used to save money and have higher profit.

I'm all in for a petition or something to get this noticed by Huawei though to let them know we do not appreciate this.

All that being said... Mate 9.....

Great phone.:D
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] Medrow:
Hi, I agree, it is a great phone but one of the reasons I bought it because of faster memmory. Luckily I got right one..
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] qrtnielsen:
Hi.

I have bought my MHA-L29C636B158 in England and it was delivered from China in a shabby bag.

Maybe that is why I am one of the unlucky guys that get low memory speed and are in a long waiting list for updates!

My readings, as I am not yet allowed attachments:

A1 SD Bench:

SD Card = Read 68,73mb/s, Write 26,63 mb/s

SD card = Read 347,38 mb/s, Write 126,88 mb/s

Internal memory = Read 341,04 mb/s, Write 128,65 mb/s

RAM= Copy 7383,77 mb/s

AndroBench:

Sequential Read = 536,22 mb/s

Sequential Write =140,44 mb/s

Random Read = 93,82 mb/s

Random Write = 6,21 mb/s

and so on.

I just do not understand the inconsistency between the two tests?

Kurt
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] tboy2000:
At least you guys all have consistent write speeds. Mine is way way low like in the 30s or 40s. How can the read speed be high but the write speeds be abnormally low? Any ideas?
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] panchovix:
Guys see good if you have less than 550-580 on Sequential read, if yes is UFS 2.0, reading many forums now, here are not only people affected, there are a lot more people, and it is seems is affecting more newer models than older ones
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] bonamarzius:
It seems ufs 2.1 :D
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] Sasa_Jevric:
You have high read, but slow write.

I have 590 read but 140 write
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] BLEK0TA:
My writing speed is low cuz I have not enough free space like u can see. I'm thinking all mate 9 have ufs 2.1
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] zayidhs:
Not really, I used to have just over 600 and thought so too till I read about the phone manager.

Go to phone manager and click optimize, after optimization, you'll be having 100% then go to clean and run it also.

Afterwards, go to Androidbench and try again, you'll most likely get the required score.

I'm yet to see a Mate 9 user below 700.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] qrtnielsen:
Hi!

Thanks for the advice about cleaning, which I did, and thereby increased the values:

Sequential read = 583,19 mb/s

Sequential write = 139,62 mb/s

I wonder if I continue cleaning that it would bring me over your threshold of 600 mb/s, ?

Kurt
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] zayidhs:
I think it will, a friend who bought his Mate 9 when I bought mine had to clean over 5 times.

When he did the Micro, he got over 700.

Also he said, he closed all apps.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] tboy2000:
Someone on Twitter says there are Mate 9s with UFS 2.0 instead of 2.1. See photos...

https://www.gizmochina.com/2017/04/...-ufs-2-1-description-official-mate-9-website/
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] zayidhs:
Errr nothing concrete there. I've been looking around and in forums but haven't seen seen any 2.0 yet. It seems Huawei might push new batches of Mate 9 with 2.0 that's why they don't want to make it public cos it'll affect sales.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] user4774:
If your device is rooted, you can check it yourself with 100% confidence.

So far there is hard evidence only for UFS 2.1 Samsung 64GB chips and UFS 2.0 Toshiba 128GB chips used in Mate 9

and nothing for eMMC (also from Toshiba ?).
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] sinnedone:
Apple did they same thing not too long ago. Remember how fast the 128gb iPhone was in benchmarks compared to the other models?

In the end it really didn't effect the usability or experience of the phone. Everyone was pist about it as well.

I say blow up Huawei's spot so it makes it to the media more to "hopefully" teach them a lesson.

Like the iPhone faster memory fiasco I highly doubt there will be any recalls, refunds, or class action lawsuits. In the end this is industry standard for silent revisions. Sucks for us though.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] Swan Princess:
So in order to get the faster memory we should turn down the 128GB version in favor of 64GB?

Another factor in the component lottery are the different screens. It may be off-topic here, so I sent you a PM. Please reply regarding the color profile.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] JayVee:
I doubt that. I have the 6GB/128GB Chinese version (MHA-AL00) and my values are quite good:

AndroBench:

Sequential Read = 764,84 mb/s

Sequential Write =183,51 mb/s
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] Swan Princess:
Yes, but what vendor is reported for your RAM and ROM, and what type of RAM? LPDDR4? I have a feeling the larger ones have cheaper, slower values due to minimizing cost differences between 64/128GB? I'm jsut speculating here. Would be nice if we got anything more, then fog from official Huawei!
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] microhaxo:
I have a 64gb USA variant and my androbench is ~589 read.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] xdesouz:
My mate 9 128/6gb but benchmark result much higher than 64gb.

My random write is 148mbps (64gb version just 20mbps max)

and my sequential read 806mbps and seq write 185mbps...

---------- Post added at 03:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:55 PM ----------

If 64gb comes with ufs 2.1 and 128gb comes with ufs 2.0, there is no way my mate 9 benchmark can surpass any of 64gb on this thread.

see on another posts, there is 2 other people with 128gb/6gb have similiar result as mine
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] Diplodocus123:
Actually nobody knows anything until an official statement is posted. Just wait and see.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] ante0:
A1: 330, 140.

Androbench: 560, 150

L29C432
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] Mostar088:
Huawei Releases Official Statement on Why It Used Different Memory Chips on Huawei P10, P10 Plus

When the Huawei P10 and P10 Plus flagship phones were introduced at the Mobile World Congress (MWC) 2017, Huawei had stated that these phones feature UFS 2.1 storage chips. However, recent benchmarks from AndroBench app of Huawei P10 and P10 Plus have revealed that the Chinese manufacturer has included different storage chips that produce slower read and write speeds. The company has now issued an official statement on why it has done so.

It was revealed on a Huawei forum in China that some P10 users get more than 700 Mbps read and write speeds whereas some could not cross read and write speeds of 300 Mbps. Hence, it is speculated that Huawei may have used six combinations of RAM and storage types on P10 and P10 Plus:

LPDDR3 RAM and eMMC 5.1

LPDDR3 RAM and UFS 2.0

LPDDR3 RAM and UFS 2.1

LPDDR4 RAM and eMMC 5.1

LPDDR4 RAM and UFS 2.0

LPDDR4 and UFS 2.1 storage

The starting three combinations are the worst possible combinations while the last combination offers the best read and write speeds. It was found that the most expensive variant of Huawei P10 Plus that comes with 6 GB of RAM and 128 GB storage is found to include eMMC 5.1 that offers the slowest speeds of less than 300 Mbps.

Huawei has now released an official statement which confirms that it has used multiple storage chips on P10 and P10 Plus smartphones since it ordered them from multiple suppliers in a bid to avoid shortages. Here is an excerpt from the official statement:

“To meet global demand of millions of units, Huawei has employed the standard industry practice of sourcing solutions from multiple trusted suppliers to ensure a balance between user experience, quality and sustainable supply. Relying on a single component supply can lead to a shortage, meaning delays for consumers who wish to buy our new products. In the case of flash memory, in this instance, Huawei has chosen multiple simultaneous mainstream solution suppliers.”

According to Huawei, AndroBench app that was used to find out different storage chips on P10 and P10 Plus do not provide benchmark scores on the basis of daily use of these smartphones. It further added that it is randomly using memory chips on P10 and P10 Plus on the basis of the components that it receives from suppliers. So, it means that there is no confirmed way of getting a Huawei P10 or P10 Plus with the best memory chip.

. The company also claims that it has not made any false claims on P10 and P10 Plus. ”Among all Huawei P10 marketing collateral, there has been no commitment to the use of only one specific flash memory,” the company said. It disagreed on making any “discrimination or intention to defraud consumers.”

Gizmochina

https://www.gizmochina.com/2017/04/18/huawei-p10-flash-memory-issue-official-response/
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] tboy2000:
They need to make an official statement on why they removed the 2.1 UFS reference from the Mate 9 advertising. What's that all about? Very suspicious.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] Swan Princess:
So the top-end Mate 9 Model with 6GB/128GB may get the bad end of the stick as well? All this information is making potential buyers, like me feel quite so anxious and uncertain.
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] hukaka:
How about me?Mate 9 2017 just used couple days.

Just curious either USF 2.0 or 2.1?
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] iamwangz:
Huawei MHA-AL00 2m ago

1.84 GHz · v7.0 · Long benchmark

55,062MB Cached read

........R:348.85MB/s

...W:123.07MB/s

Huawei MHA-AL00 3m ago

1.84 GHz · v7.0 · Long benchmark

55,042MB Cached read

.......R:309.07MB/s

..W:93.58MB/s

Huawei MHA-AL00 6m ago

1.84 GHz · v7.0 · Long benchmark

55,062MB Cached read

.......R:302.04MB/s

.W:45.64MB/s

Huawei MHA-AL00 8m ago

1.84 GHz · v7.0

3,684MB RAM

..................................................................................................................................................................................X:7,378.88MB/s
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] lmerega:
My 2 cents:

MHAL29C432 - EFS 2.1

Bye
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] Diplodocus123:
Why are your write speeds and SQL this low?
[Huawei Mate 9 Questions & Answers] darkdawn:
Is there something that may affect the seq read speed ?

like having too many files or having an SD card in the phone (I know it should not affect this, but i thought i would ask anyway)?

Are all your tests done with default settings ?

cause I am getting like 590 MB/s in SEQ Read , and couldnt get it any higher.

Even after doing a system clean up and optimize.

Really sad to feel cheated even though it is a fast phone and does almost everything well.

It is just the feeling to know that you paid for something and got another thing .