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[X Style (Pure) General] tech_infinity:
[MENTION=2317756]rmaspons[/MENTION] how is camera and performance compared to MXP.

Also is the difference between screen quality minor?
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
Except it's $450... And the mods things seems kinda useless to me, might be good for others but I don't see the point.
[X Style (Pure) General] rmaspons:
$350 in Amazon... $399 in best buy... $449 in Motorola web but with free speaker mod.

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I updated it to Android 7 and is great. No lag at all. The camera quality is fine. No better than Moto x but no worst either. And have front flash too. I bought basically for the battery life but I'm happy with it. It's $350 on Amazon
[X Style (Pure) General] aybarrap1:
For what it's worth, the international model with dual SIM is selling for $350 on Amazon with no warranty. The US version is still $450. With Best buy, it is a matter of finding them doing a sale, but otherwise $450. I personally will not buy a phone more than $400 before taxes considering the options available out there. Personally $350 is really my cutoff and since Moto mods are not a big deal for me, the Z series is not really in my considerations for a future phone.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
No LCD, no deal.

If it had an LCD screen, I'd think about it for 2020 when the price comes down, but not otherwise.
[X Style (Pure) General] vu45:
Wait for a Nokia that's more of a true midrange? That build quality to price ratio for the 3, 5, and 6 has already made me a fan. The commitment to security patches is also a nice touch....if they keep up with it.
[X Style (Pure) General] aybarrap1:
Same here. Nokia 6 has stereo speakers so it is very possible they will utilize this feature on other phones. But the 6 is only utilizing a SD 4XX and the planned flagship is the reportedly the infamous SD 835. Don't really need the power of the 8xx line but 4xx is a too little. Hoping for a $300-$350 mid range with a 6xx processor.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
The only thing missing from Nokia is Verizon

If they can get Verizon on board, it'd be a real winner.
[X Style (Pure) General] bw03:
I had the same issue. I do use my phone but it it didn't last nearly as long as when new. I ended up getting a replacement battery on ebay and my phone is back to the way it was when new.
[X Style (Pure) General] tech_infinity:
I too am waiting for the oneplus 3t to get cheaper
[X Style (Pure) General] Bysler:
Save up 50 USD more and get the Moto Z Play or go used on Swappa.
[X Style (Pure) General] aybarrap1:
Well they really wouldn't have to do that. The MXPE serves as a perfect example as it works pretty much with both GSM and CDMA networks.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
Certified?

Doesn't the IMEIs still have to be certified with the carriers though?
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
MXPE is certified by Verizon, Sprint, and US Cellular for CDMA use.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
Maybe, but probably not

If Nokia6 can get CDMA and also get certified in the same way, then it'd be a viable option. I don't see them going through the effort though.
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
Not likely... I doubt we will see CDMA support from Nokia
[X Style (Pure) General] tech_infinity:
Lenovo zuk z2 plus is also a decent replacement but I don't think it's available outside of china or india.
[X Style (Pure) General] aybarrap1:
This is true now that I think about it. With Nokia trying to get back into the market after the fiasco they suffered with Microsoft, it makes sense they would start slow.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
With or without CDMA, many would be of little use for domestic LTE

Even if Voice-over-LTE was viable everywhere, it still wouldn't matter since many of those devices lack most of the important domestic LTE bands. Nokia, Huwei, and Sony might make some great devices, but they're never going to succeed here if they ignore the ever-important band 12, 13, 17, 25, and 26 markets where they'd be most useful.
[X Style (Pure) General] -sandro-:
What about Lenovo P2?
[X Style (Pure) General] aybarrap1:
That's true. Nokia has stated it has plans to release a US model of their upcoming flagship device. What is unknown is whether their roadmap for this, or budget to mid-range devices, will be available unlocked or carrier specific only.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
Domestic Nokia wouldn't be a bad idea

If they choose the Motorola model, there'd definitely be a market for it. And with the big four converting over to these ugly rounded-corner-screen designs (Apple, Samsung, LG) massive bezels (Motorola) and high prices, (everybody + HTC) there's definitely a place for somebody to build a better Moto X for North America and the entire world. Nokia could pull it off now that it is relieved of the burden of Windows.
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
Nokia only needs one thing to be successful in the US... They need to get 2 of the big carriers to subsidize their devices and offer them cheap with a contract. How do you think Samsung got so popular here, it certainly wasn't because of their device quality (at least not back then it wasn't, they are much better now) was better than HTC or Motorola at the time.

Anything else, they will just be seen just like most other "off-brands" except for their name recognition, which wont count for much in this country... I would be surprised if more than 1 in 250 phones is purchased outright outside of person's carrier.
[X Style (Pure) General] aybarrap1:
I agree this will be the deciding factor in the US. Overseas they should be able to build up just from their name alone.

With any luck they will carrier brand some models on a few carriers, but offer an unlocked US version as well.
[X Style (Pure) General] adrenatek:
no LG or Samsung for me, cheapo build, overpriced and not that great. Doubt I'll buy another moto after the 1575, probably gonna get an HTC more than likely. It's too bad in a way, because I've been using Motorola almost exclusively since the Razr V3.

Prerequisites I look for are: most LTE bands/carrier universal, 5 inch screen, stereo speakers, unlocked bootloader, snapdragon 8xx or better processor, and a friggin headphone jack (irritates me that apple turned this into an "option")

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This is so ridiculous. I'm in the US and it makes no sense to me at all, I can't even remember the last time I bought a phone from a carrier.
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
Whether it makes sense or not, 99% of American consumers don't even know they get a phone anywhere other than from their carrier, much less actually do. Even most prepaid or MVNO customers in this country think they need a phone from whomever their carrier is. Those of us who know better are clearly the minority.

It's stupid, but the cellular carriers have conditioned the country to believe that is the case.
[X Style (Pure) General] jason2678:
I don't know about the other major carriers or MNVO's, but AT&T doesn't even subsidize phones anymore either. The days of paying $100 and signing a 2 year contract to get a far more expensive device are gone with them. They try to herd you towards payment plans where you pay full price for the phone over two and a half years of monthly installments; at best it is a glorified no-interest financing. If you poke around enough you can find purchase options, but those just end up being full price for the phone too. The number of devices they sell is dwindling too. Just Apple, Samsung, LG and a few extra rugged one off phones are left. While that makes sense for them on devices they have to support, it stinks for consumers. Especially when there are so many powerful and more budget friendly phones available. At this point the only leverage they have is they refuse to support some features on phones not purchased through them. They won't let the MXP use VoLTE even though it is capable and both Verizon and T-Mo allow it. Their response has simply been if you want to use all of their network's features you must get a device from them, but they only peddle overpriced flagships and low-end trash that are usually hopelessly locked down.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
On contracts and portability

If I were to venture a guess, it probably stems from the fact that universally-certified devices like the Moto X Pure Edition are still a very new variety. Before LTE and SIM cards, CDMA was almost always whitelist-only, so there wasn't any using of Sprint phones on Verizon or the other way around, nor was there much (if any) GSM capability contained in CDMA phones, so using it with a GSM service was out of the question. For that reason, it was just easiest to try to use a phone on the carrier that it was originally earmarked for and the easiest way to do that was with a visit to the retail stores.

This is true. If I remember correctly, Tmobile, AT&T, and Verizon got rid of most of their 2-year subsidies, and even Sprint is shying away from it too, offering those dumb rent-to-own financing options instead. Personally, if I know that I'm going to be with a provider for two years, I'll take the contract all day long. The payment plans are just another form of contracts, but the service provider makes even more money while avoiding the negative stigma. Just like Apple and the headphone jack, it's a shrewd business decision, but it ultimately hurts the consumer.
[X Style (Pure) General] aybarrap1:
I had to laugh reading this. I love how the carriers offer "early upgrades" with their financing option. They"pay off" the remaining balance of your current phone provided 1) you are a certain amount of time in your finance agreement, aka contact, 2) your phone works and has to be in good condition, and 3)you finance another phone. And of course they now own your old device. They can now "refurbish" your old device and sell it for more than the remaining balance they "paid off". And let us not forget the fact that their cost for the phone is less than what they sold it to the customer for.

I remember several times I have seen the same model low end device available via financing and on the prepaid shelf at an AT&T Corporate store. The prepaid was actually cheaper. On several occasions, at an I asked about buying a phone outright and was told I could not without going on the Next plan, but I could go to a store like best buy to buy outright.

The Next plan is the carriers way of making more money IMO. To me they give the false illusion that the plan is better when really it is not. Even with ETF fees not applying if you cancel, they still make more money.
[X Style (Pure) General] adrenatek:
God, what a screw-job...let's see....spend avg of $25-35 a month on service and $400 every 2-3 years or so for a phone = ~$1240, OR, spend avg $50 a month postpaid with taxes MINIMUM + average $100-200 downpayment + $24 a month "financing" MINIMUM for the same thing = ~$1926 BEFORE your wonderful "iphone forever" thing that resets your bill every year and you get to pay another happy little downpayment. It's like the dummies are subsidizing the people that can do math....fine with me.
[X Style (Pure) General] aybarrap1:
It is not really subsidizing. It is just business. Most people want and/or think they need the latest and greatest, but they don't want to shell out the $600+ to a $1000 up front. I really can't blame the carriers for their business model because while they really don't advertise the real costs outright, they don't hide it either. I don't think everyone that does the financing option and "upgrades" is dumb. Some people are just wanting the latest and greatest and don't care about long term costs. Some just don't bother to take the time to do some research. Many of us here understand our hardware needs and realize that we really only need a device that costs $400 or less and have the power to switch carriers (to some extent).
[X Style (Pure) General] jason2678:
Exactly. You nailed it.
[X Style (Pure) General] Winston1990:
One plus 5!

But im tempted to spend the extra cash this fall and get a new pixel device! I am hooked on a big screen and i will never ever get a device without good update support so that only leaves me two phones in my opinion even worth looking at anymore. Iv learned my lesson and will never stray away from companies that don't void your warranty if you unlock your bootloader. Thankfully i didn't unlock mine or i would be stuck with a moto x with a faulty charger port and no quickcharge!

One plus and Google pixels are the only way to go in my book!
[X Style (Pure) General] Hemidrosis:
Google added the Pixel in the End of Life support page. But, if you're gonna slap a custom ROM on it, then you need not worry. :)
[X Style (Pure) General] Winston1990:
The way i wrote my post was bad grammar....

What i was trying to say is i will never buy from a company that voids your warranty if your unlock your bootloader or doesn't give updates in a decent time frame, and must support the device for at least 2 years.

That leaves one plus and google devices. I've learned my lesson with this phone...

Screw you Lenovo for ruining a great company! Screw your Motorola for voiding warranties on (pure, play, unlocked devices) with unlocked bootloaders that have hardware, not software defects!

My usb port went bad and i would have been screwed if i unlocked my moto x pure. IT failed after not even a year!!!
[X Style (Pure) General] ominousnimbus:
This. Can't see myself going with anything other than Pixel or OP now.

I thought many times about unlocking the BL on my original MXPE purchased at release in 2015, but resisted, since we got a Marshmallow update. Sure enough, about 10 months after purchase, the charging port started going bad. The RMA process was painful enough as it was, but I would've been totally out of luck had I unlocked.

Lenovo's policy on unlocked BL voiding the warranty is particularly bad because their hardware quality control seems subpar.
[X Style (Pure) General] aybarrap1:
Personally, I think many of the smartphone manufacturers are having quality control issues. Samsung, LG, and Huawei have all had issues that have made some of the recent flagships unusable with the last couple of years.

As far as RMA with Lenovo, I think this is the worst I've seen with any major known brand and this is just for those who have not requested the unlock code. With an unlocked bootloader, Lenovo has basically said don't bother contacting them. Some have reported that Lenovo will not repair their device with an unlocked bootloader even if they are willing to pay.
[X Style (Pure) General] Cowbell_Guy:
Personally I've loved this phone. It has great hardware, I.e. microphone and radios. It's rootable and on Verizon with high end specs.

Aside from the pixel 2, what are my other options for a phone that fulfills the above this year?
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
The Verizon requirement is the limiting factor here... Other than a Pixel device, the only currently available devices are the Moto G5 and Z series. Luckily, I am not under that restriction. :)
[X Style (Pure) General] tech_infinity:
The zuk z2 plus is looking like an excellent replacement. It gives 5-6 hours of SOT over 1.5 day of usage for my friend.

Its priced well: 16400 rupees(255$) SD820 64gb internal and 4 gb ram, and already got nougat.

Only drawbacks are weak speaker and a bad rear facing camera. And also its interface is a rip off of ios, which I hate.

Also it has a smaller 5 inch screen FHD. After moto x style I was looking for a nicr 5.5-6.3 inch display smartphone.
[X Style (Pure) General] Hemidrosis:
iOS-like UIs are very popular in China.

See: Xiaomi, Huawei, Oppo
[X Style (Pure) General] tech_infinity:
[MENTION=6671409]Hemidrosis[/MENTION] yes i know. Will probably just install a custom rom if I buy it. Another plus point is you'll not loose warranty if you root it. :)
[X Style (Pure) General] tech_infinity:
Has anyone switched over to the moto g5 plus full time? My mom has a moto g5 plus, it seems nice but I haven't used it that much. Can anyone who has used the g5 plus make some real usage comparisons with the moto x style? Thank you :)
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
I have played with it a bit compared to MXPE.

Double the battery life, roughly, and you gain fingerprint scanner and more stable Bluetooth. Drawbacks are no NFC, noticably lower sound volume on both speakers and headphones.

G5+ is significantly smaller in hand and doesn't feel as premium as the X, allows for much easier one handed operation. Cameras have little noticable difference​ quality wise, but the G5's is quicker at everything.

Anything specific? (We have one in our development test area)
[X Style (Pure) General] tech_infinity:
Thanks a lot :)

Pretty much confirms what I thought. NFC is present in the indian variant (not that I use it :P)

Only things holding me back are camera and display quality.

Will probably get it if I get a good deal in the upcoming sale.

Thanks again!
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
Honestly... It's tough to find anything with a display as nice as the Moto X without paying twice its value, but the G5+ is pretty good. Remember that the display panel is the cause of our battery drain issues too.

As far as camera goes, in the few pics I took neither device was visible better than the other, but G5 was faster at focus and startup.
[X Style (Pure) General] itslels:
Well I bit the bullet. I will be replacing my MXP as my daily driver with a Moto G4 plus 64 GB. I will enjoy the more active development, extra GB of ram, and better battery life.
[X Style (Pure) General] Androidlover99:
Not sure if anyone would read this but my personal opinions:

Motorola: NEVER again, their phones after 2015 are too ugly and I know update support is a no go.

LG: Nope, the UI is too ugly and bootloops scare me.

hTC: Very meh, heard the cameras aren't that good...

Samsung: I would love to get a Galaxy S8!... If the updates were faster and it didn't cost over 1K in Canada!

Sony: Big bezels, no fingerprint scanner in the west apparently, too expensive.

ZTE Axon 7?: Might be the best choice out of them all.

OnePlus?: Cheap cost, flagship specs, fast update support... Sounds like a win.

Only dark side with OnePlus: I heard OnePlus 2 got the short end of the stick with Nougat....

As in it still doesn't have it :/ which worries me for how they treat their devices after one major update. (Reminds me of Lenovorola!)

Also, OnePlus 5 might NOT have a headphone jack and cost $650 USD apparently... So that would really suck...

I'm wondering if I should just wait for a OnePlus 3T to go on sale, but what if I get screwed with them and end up waiting forever for Android O?
[X Style (Pure) General] Hemidrosis:
If you want the jack of all trades.. go with the Pixel.
[X Style (Pure) General] -sandro-:
It thought that Motorola still had a good update support having no skin on their phones. So basically OnePlus is the best now? Maybe because they have 5 phones at most! Once they grow they'll become like others.
[X Style (Pure) General] Androidlover99:
Pixel: Too expensive, big bezels, lense flare issue, the phone is too ugly IMO, no SD card slot.

But it would be one of my top picks, if they added more features to make it more like a flagship.

Well, being a personal Moto X Pure owner...

We got Marshmallow only two months after the MM came out, we never got Android 6.0.1, and we're still waiting for Nougat.

So yes, they were really fast with delivering Marshmallow, but after that it just went downhill :(
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
Perhaps, but you usually only get one upgrade... Once the new model cones out, the old one gets no more upgrades. So is that really better?
[X Style (Pure) General] Androidlover99:
That's untrue, most Android phones get two big updates.
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
But not OnePlus phones... They get quick updates until the new model comes out, then a few security updates but no more upgrades. Typically one upgrade only, that's their history of the last few models at least. OP strength is in the development community, very active, second only to the Pixel/Nexus world I guess.

Great phones and really quick updates, but only about a years worth of them.
[X Style (Pure) General] Androidlover99:
That sucks... I suppose the best way to tell would be to see how long it takes for the OnePlus 3 and 3T to get Android O.
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
True...but the 2 never got Marshmallow so take that how you want.
[X Style (Pure) General] Androidlover99:
Yeah... But the specs of the OnePlus 3T are better than the Google Pixel so.

Also, that's untrue. The OnePlus 2 did get Marshmallow.
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
Yeah... I meant Nougat, not Marshmallow... My bad... And don't take what I'm saying wrong, the 3T is #1 pick at the moment.
[X Style (Pure) General] Oliie23:
Xiaomi anyone?
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
Doesn't have correct bands for US/North American use. But the Redmi Note 4 would be great otherwise.
[X Style (Pure) General] sk8223:
You Americans have so many good phones available to you for so little. I'm honestly envious. I hear you can get an iPhone SE 64GB for less than $200 USD at Wal-Mart. ? The 64GB S8 is $425 with trade-in at Samsung USA. Sooo... jealous...

Isn't the LG G6 rather cheap in the US these days? I heard it's discounted heavily in the US these days. Must be great having access to flagship phones from reliable brands for reasonable prices.
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
Depends what you consider cheap and how you do the math... The iPhone SE 64gb is $350-$425 refurbished (not new) from some 3rd party sellers on Walmart.com, although some prepaid carriers sell the 32gb for $159-$219, remember they are locked to that carrier which is something you don't have to worry about most other countries.

And the S8 isn't $425... Unless you trade an S7 or Note 5, but you don't know exactly how much you will get "off" until after you buy the new device at full retail and send your device in, so it's not really a "trade-in" but a buy back, in 2-3 months you will get a partial refund or credit or something (I don't know anyone who has done it)... If it's found not to fit the criteria for $200 off, you only get $50 back.

I don't know about the LG G6 being cheap either... $550-$799 at major retailers. You can't really count carrier phones, they are locked to that carrier and filled with carrier bloat.

Personally, I'd take a Redmi Note 4 in a heartbeat if it supported US frequencies... like 90% of the phones on the planet... We can't use Xiaomi, Oppo, Lenovo (non-Moto), Meiuzi, etc, they just don't work on our carriers.
[X Style (Pure) General] tech_infinity:
For those living in India there are 2 great deals for a couple of days:-

Lenovo Z2 plus for 11000 rupees (170 dollars) : SD820, 4GBram,64gb rom, dual sim. Android 7.0, 3500mah battery

Moto X Force for 13000 rupees(201 dollars) : SD 810,2K amoled display, 3GB ram, 32gb internal, dual sim, android 7.0, sd card, 3700 mah battery.

Le Max 2 for 15000: 2k display, 4gb ram, 32gb internal, 2k display
[X Style (Pure) General] ShadyUnicorn:
So, my main choices at the moment. Going to include con's of each (all have many pro's):

One plus 3t - bottom facing speaker, no micro sd, front facing fingerprint scanner with big bezels, camera

ZTE axon 7 - unlocking bootloader, bezel, softwares apparently iffy, home button not backlit

Huawei mate 9 - SOFTWARE, LCD, bootloader

Nexus 6p - 2015 phone (810 chip), no micro SD card slot, bezels

Moto X4 - (will update when it arrives) terrible support, bootloader, (leaks look) ugly

Honor 8 Pro - software, LCD, bottom speaker

(Wait for) Nokia 7/8/9 - means waiting lol

Edit: I've been practically stalking all these phones (that are out already), so ask any questions to help narrow the choice, please. :)