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[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] zulu99:
Without root you can't decide nothing. Google and the manufacturer think what is good for you.

You can't disable also your security, is like you have an house where you can't disable the alarm and you can't never see If the thief came in.

If you get a virus, you can't see it and also you can't delete the infection.

In tech words:

The security model of Android is completly wrong. Because start from the assumption that only Google and the manufacturer can own system permissions. All current security implementations like selinux, secure boot, encryption etc. are good, but the end-user should be the real owner, otherwise this is not security but just a "walled garden" controlled by Google.

The end-user should be able to change also the platform key and the bootloader keys....or at least should be able to sign system apps otherwise is just a monkey in the hands of this big companies and of the authorities.

P.S.

In Europe with root you not lose warranty. In the past i fixed my rooted samsung phone without problems.

Hardware defects are different than software defects. If you restore the stock firmware and the hardware defect is still visible no one can refuse the warranty. there is a law for this. https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
Unless I feel that there is something that I can't do with my device that I feel is essential for my day to day usage of the device, I don't think that it is worth rooting.

But, anyway...

This is a topic to discuss DeX, not whether rooted/unrooted is better.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] pRo_lama:
[MENTION=1469500]zulu99[/MENTION]: Give me one example from real life / use when you need it. Into PM please.

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[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] dusanzk:
While this may be true for someone who is a developer or simply knows what they're doing i think you're forgetting that about 95% of people out there don't even know how to enter Developer settings on their device, i'm not even gonna go into signing their own apk's, adjusting system permissions or any kind of system level modifications.

Google, Samsung etc. are obviously focusing more on the "average customer", this can further be backed up by the fact that more people are buying these devices that you say are "not ours".

I want to have the option of root but not for the same reasons you're mentioning, I sometimes have more faith in security when it comes to company's with thousands of developers, technicians, engineers then i would in my abilites to completely secure my own device.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] zulu99:
I respond with only one thing and after we can also stop this off topic about root

Go in this page https://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s8+ an check the page visualizations of various topics. Take a look to TWRP recovery thread. Count the visualizations and compare.

Are few the users that don't understand what means ROOT. Fortunately.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] dusanzk:
TinyCam Monitor Pro will be updated for Dex soon, it's an IP Camera monitoring app, for those that aren't familiar with it.

I'm just gonna go ahead and say it, it's the best one there is, maybe even better than any PC equivilant.

PRO - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alexvas.dvr.pro&hl=en

FREE - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alexvas.dvr&hl=en
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
Also another app that may get support soon is Paperboy - A Feedly newsreader app:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dottedcircle.paperboy

I previously asked for support and the developer responded with:
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] ProStreetCamaro:
only tried mine for a few minutes. I have to give it to Samsung on this one. Dex works surprisingly well. I will be using it every morning from here on out at work.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
+1

Many are complaining about the price, but I think after trying it with your own device, it feels great, and you can suddenly justify the price as it feels like such a great experience!

Quick tip, enable 'DeX Developer' settings by following the guide in the OP to enable windowed/fullscreen mode in all apps!. :)

Have fun! :)
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] krumbs:
Got the DeX dock today. Have enabled developer mode and can resize app windows. But somehow the Netflix app seems immune to this. Any workaround?

Also, how do I keep two windows active? The idea is to have the browser (or MS Word) take up 60-70 per cent of the screen, while a video stream plays in the remaining area -- a news channel live stream, for example. Currently, the moment I click on the browser window, the video stream freezes...

Apologies if this has been already discussed.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
I see that 'Netflix' is one of those few apps that don't have the maximize button, but can be resized manually :eek: lol

The trouble with the freezing is that Netflix was developed for an older app lifecycle system that pauses the application when it is not in focus. You will just need to ask them to add multi-window support to allow you to watch content whilst you are doing other things.

I mentioned the apps lifecycle in another post quoted below:

Obviously Netflix haven't upgraded to this newer system yet though... it has been in use for a while though I should add, roughly since the multi-window preview in Android Marshmallow (Developer preview).
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] maxmotos:
I just picked one up thru Amazon $149, Hopefully gets here quick. I am curious what dex brings to the table.https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Station-Desktop-Experience-International/
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
[MENTION=7378910]maxmotos[/MENTION]:

Happy for you! :)

If you have any questions in the mean time, I'm sure many of us would be happy to help! :)
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] ProStreetCamaro:
Coming at you guys from Dex right now. Just messing around figuring everything out. This really works much better than i expected it too.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
That is definately what I think too!

But many are skeptical and just assume that it'll be terrible, so they wont even give it a try... :rolleyes:
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] Motawa88:
Did anyone try playing games?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] jaben2:
Ill end up picking one up. Just ain't going to order when it is 30 or more days backordered. Maybe the price will come down too
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] KenHua:
Thank you very much for the tips and all the imformation that you have provided. Most importantly, thanks for starting the thread for all to share. I have learned many useful tips from the forum. I'm not sure Dex is considered expensive but for the functions that it provides, it is worth every cents to me that I have paid. Thanks again!
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
Thank you very much for the feedback! :)

It is people like you that make me enjoy providing info and support on here! :)
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] r8dooo:
Ever thought about doing a YouTube video, your tips for me have been exceptional really helped me enjoy Dex in more ways than I would have without this thread.

Bravo for you work and contribution to this thread.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
When I have the time later this week I may consider putting together a DeX video for those that may be interested, but to also give a real users perspective and not just some 5 minute journalists impressions...

Thans again! :)
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] pRo_lama:
Guys. I have problem with keyboard. I don't have problem with QWERTZ or QWERTY (personally prefer QWERTZ), but my language have punctuations. And it's really annoying to use virtual keyboard for these symbols. Do you have any idea how to fix it?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] Meleor:
Hi Guys!

Do you think the Dex will work on this kind of extension/dock ? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/turn-your-smartphone-into-a-laptop-mobile-android/x/16210921#/

It's more convenient than carrying a dock +screen + keyboard + mouse.

Thank you for this thread.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] KenHua:
Samsung ought to pay you handsomely for helping people making the best out of their Dex product. Your forum provides far better support than that of Samgsung's own Support. May be they should engage you to support their customers and seek your input on enhancement of their product.

By the way, can the Audio output be set to Display Device by default instead of Phone upon docking? Also, the UHQ Upscaler for sound is grey out when docked and output thru HDMI. Anyway to activate it?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
Thank you! :)

I'm not sure, I'll look into it, and if I find a way to automatically force it to switch over to HDMI audio out, I will see if I can bring that feature to the 'DeX Hub' app.

I guess that this is just something that Samsung will need to push out an update to enable... There are a few options which are greyed out/disabled which I think shouldn't be, but I assume that Samsung will fix these problems some time soon.

p.s. It seems that DeX is separate from the OS, so Samsung could push out updates to DeX without needing to push out a whole system update, this could be great news in the long term! :)

It certainly looks promising, and it shows a picture of the GS8 connected to it, and they mention the GS8 is faster than the Apple Macbook Air, which implies that they may be working to acheive what you are looking for with their 'LapDock'!
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] dusanzk:
I also use letters with punctuations such as č, š, ć.

I have three languages, Russian, English and Serbian, the first thing i did was go into Language and input, On-screen Keyboard, Samsung Keyboard, Languages and types, Manage input languages, then add the languages you want.

After that go back to Language and input, Physical keyboard - here you should see each of your devices (keyboard, mouse) with languages listed underneath each of them, I have a mouse and keyboard connected via bluetooth and for some reason I have seperate tabs here for the keyboard and the mouse (like i'm gonna type with my mouse). Anyway, under the keyboard name click on the first language, English for example and select the English you want, UK, US etc. then go back and click on the second language, Russian for example and click Russian, now the third language, Serbian, is not available when you're selecting the keyboard layout so i chose Croatian which has the same keyboard layout as Serbian so that worked well for me. When you select all of these you can switch between them via the keyboard shortcut (Shift+Space Bar), a little toast notification will show up at the bottom to confirm the change. My actual physical keyboard has Russian and English letters but i memorized the ć, č, š etc. from the Serbian keyboard and that's how i use my keyboard with those letters.

FYI - I had come across a serious bug where i could not switch between language inputs if my keyboard and mouse were connected via the USB receiver, that is why i switched to bluetooth. Basically, whenever i tried to switch, the phone would freeze up, completely, requring a soft reset.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] KenHua:
I'm using Logitech wireless Unify Mouse/KB combo and all work smoothly without any issues. The mouse has extra buttons (Forward/Backward) which make navigation very easy. My keyboard has extra buttons too (Music, Play/Stop, Volume up/down, Mute, Search, Refresh, Forward, Backward, Email, Home, Power Off/Lock), all functioning smoothly without hesitation. Just sharing my experience...
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] pRo_lama:
Thank you very much. This is exactly what I needed. It's working very well.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] KenHua:
MS Office Licensing Issue:

I have been able to use MS Office products on my phone without problem but it requires me to subscribe when the phone docked on DEX. Is that normal? I am using WPS Office as a backup. Has anyone has the same issue, or solution, please? Thanks,
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] dragunbayne:
It has to do with screen size. When you use DEX you are over the size limit for free licensing. If I remember right the size limit is 10". I can't use the free one on my Note Pro for example.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] KenHua:
I read about the 10.1" size limit but do they really based on the size of my monitor, or TV? :D
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] dragunbayne:
That's my guess. The app probably runs a check when launched and detects the size of the screen it is being ran on.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
Just a quick update.

I received a USB-3.5mm audio connector today, and I have noticed that when it is connected to the dock, the device always defaults to that as the audio output device.

I thought I'd mention that as it seems that by default when connected to an HDMI display, it doesn't switch to that as its default audio output device, but with this adapter it always defaults to the 3.5mm output.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] KenHua:
Thanks for the update. Can you check if phone call voice is channeled thru USB as well, or stuck with the phone speaker? I prefer to use earphones rather than talking to my phone in the dock. Wish Samsung would provide an option to channel phone voices thru HDMI in the future.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
I guess that over HDMI, they imagine that the volume of the display may lead to the person on the other end hearing their voice echoing... I haven't tried using it to make any calls, so I can't say anything about that. But if past Android experience is anything to go by, I know that all sounds were directed to the USB headset instead of the phone speaker. I assume that this will work exactly the same...

I can't test the phone calls with this currently though, as I'm busy for the rest of the day...

I also have a USB jabra headset, it might be worth me trying that out to make calls too!

*NOTE*

This is the adapter I am talking about by the way:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01H2XF8V8/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] Femmetechstic:
Sorry I'm kind of falling into this topic, I answered 'yes' to the poll but I'm not planning to at the moment because the price is holding me back.

I currently have a Chromebook and I'm wondering if a DeX set up would offer me anything that I'm not already getting from my Chromebook. I guess I'm being held back by the fact that the Dex isn't actually ery established yet if that makes sense?

Anybody else been in this position? What decision did you make?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] KenHua:
Just my 2 cents! Dex offers great value for money as far as I'm concerned. It doesn't bother me too much if it's $50 more or less. The most important is that it works great. S8 is the most powerful phone you can have. Dex allows you to make fuller use of it and makes your S8 even more valuable. Most chrome book does not offer the same power. The effect of big screen and the convenient of big keyboard and mouse are important to me too. I use Dex as a docking station at home rather than a portable attachment. I'm glad that it has worked out well for me.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] ShrekOpher:
If there was a laptop DEX dock is pick one up in a heart beat. I have no need for a desktop DEX I already have an amazing Desktop computer but it there was a way to use DEX on a laptop dock that had a rich screen too I'd be down.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
Then you want to check out this:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/turn-your-smartphone-into-a-laptop-mobile-android#/

If you scroll down you will see that just recently they added the statement that it is capable of working with Samsung DeX.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] moby777:
dex works on rooted devices?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
One of the guys who had previously posted on here confirmed that he has rooted his device and DeX still works fine! :)
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] KenHua:
Does anyone has issue with the 3-Dot Menu whereby when you click on it, it shows up as expected, but if any of the items has 2nd level menus, the whole Menu would be closed when the mouse is moved over to any of the sub-menus? For me to access any of the sub-menus I will need to use the arrow keys on the keyboard to navigate. Any comments would be appreciated.

Edit: For example in MX Player.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
I have tried with AIDE and I don't experience this issue when navigating between several dropdown context menus (child context menus included), so I would assume that it may be an issue with MX player...
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] KenHua:
I have double checked and all the apps that has child-menus has problem in my case, e.g. Whatsapp. None of the Samsung apps that I have used uses child-menus, so I can't test them. It might be some compatibility issue with my wireless mouse but not a big issue. Thanks for your quick response.

Edit: removed "QuicQuick from the e.g. coz it works fine. Sorry...
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
I couldn't find sub menus within QuickPic, but I did see that bug in MX Player Pro, but as you can see in the image below, this is not a DeX bug as AIDE works fine with mouse over sub-menu items events...

In MX I see that the bug only crops up when you try to highlight a menu item which contains an arrow (suggesting that it contains sub/child menus). But as I say, I've not seen it in anything else...
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] KenHua:
[MENTION=4060819]SmilerOnline[/MENTION], thanks for your further checking. I'm using an old version of QuickPic and a sub-menu would show up when I selected just one folder followed by clicking the Menu. But strangely, and I'm happy to say, it functions correctly in this case. My appologies for the error report. Whatsapp has such a sub-menu when you are in a chat, and it has the same problem as MX. Thanks much...
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
No problem!

The more bugs we can find now, the quicker we can get the app developers to iron them out!

Now we know that it is the apps at fault, we should just let those app developers know!
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] ShrekOpher:
Yeah I saw that I don't trust it. Would be really cool, but it looks like it still has some major issues.

I actually still own one of the old April 4G Web top laptop docks. I can get the phone to mirror to the device, but still can't get DeX to launch. I'm 5hinking there is something in the doc the triggers 5he DeX OS.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] russ18uk:
Yes, there has to be. It's the same when connecting to Oculus and the phone runs Oculus Home setup.

Need a tear down to see what's inside.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
Just to add:

In the DeX settings 'About' screen, it shows the 'DeX station version'.

So there must be some data getting sent between the dock and the phone to identify that...
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] navyenzo:
Hey guys just got my dex, overall very intuitive interface.

I was looking at the dex apps and I couldn't see the adobe apps.

I downloaded them from the Google playstore and when I run them they just look like a magnified version of the phone apps, no different than they look on the phone.

Does that mean that Adobe is still developing the dex special versions of their apps?

Or am I missing something?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] erclalle:
Hey, I'm very keen on experimenting with my rooted S8, but has anyone tried to (1) teardown DeX, and (2) logcat the data sent by the dock so that one could attempt faking it on the S8/+ ? I'm thinking the easiest way would be to modify the entrypoint in the apk so that the checks would not be performed on the phone's side, but that would require some reverse engineering.

Is any dev looking into this?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
Great news! :)

So far they have added full keyboard and mouse support, so any shortcut keys (i.e. 'ctrl+v' to paste) and right click should work fine.

But the UI (in Adobe Reader at least) does look like it may need some small improvements to the desktop experience.

[MENTION=1870968]erclalle[/MENTION]:

I have had a quick look through some of the apps files to try and find the trigger for DeX mode, but I haven't really found anything that I can manually trigger... so far everything that I have tried requires system level permissions and I don't have them permissions for my device...

Maybe some devs with a rooted device can do a little more, but I don't want to root my device, as there is nothing for me to gain from it, I will only lose out by rooting my device.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] erclalle:
Haha it is your own decision to make, but if I can give you one reason to root the S8, stereo speaker mod is out!

Anyway it would be great to hear from anyone who has both rooted and owns DeX so we can explore a little bit the callbacks going on.

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I'm not sure if it has already been asked, but does (1) creating a shortcut for DeX apk (using quickshortcutmaker or any other, no root required), (2) plugging the DeX dock, but switching to mirrored mode, (3) clicking on the apk shortcut on the homescreen, launch DeX mode?

In the same fashion, is the previous method works, what happens when you click on the DeX apk shortcut when the DeX dock is unplugged? For me it freezes the screen during ~1sec then nothing happens (at least as far as UI is concerned) but maybe once DeX is plugged once the behavior changes.

It would be a quick check to see if just tinkering with the DeX apk can force it to launch without the DeX.

Thank you very much!
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
I tried a launch intent to trigger it from an app I created, but it said 'package does not exist', and as I posted several pages before this, it seems that when DeX mode is triggered it appears to replace the launcher apk with the DeX launcher apk.

I scanned all system broadcasts running between undocked to docked state and the only thing that seemed to show up was 'package changed' switching out the phone launcher for the desktop launcher.

I think that some rooted users could use this info to try and build an app that automatically does the apk switch without relying on the system to perform the switch. Although, I am not 100% sure of all of the steps that will be required to launch DeX, this is probably just one of many...
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories] SmilerOnline:
I've published another app optimsed for DeX.

This was simply developed because I wanted an alternative to notepad on Windows which skips the intro screen and lets me start taking notes immediately (which can be essential when you need to log keywords from a discussion with someone as reminders right?). It supports multiple instances so you can have as many windows open as you like for all of the note-taking you need.

It is not designed to replace MS Word, it is just designed to be an app that is quick and light weight enabling you to get straight into taking the notes that you need and separating notes of different types into separate windows.

It does offer the ability to save/print those notes if you need to by the way.

The font choices and font sizes are there just so you can make it look more suitable for you.

I have added a cost to this app just to support further DeX optimised app development.

I am open to feedback.

DeX Pad - Google Play store link

[IMG="DeX Pad"]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0p08R4K2QsmrDQKey-plkkEkjijYS8nxEAI71H9HWsXnJfWsRYjjOF7pkP5LC2HBuOU=h600-rw[/IMG]