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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drewcam888:
Any gsm only TP2/Rhodium users gotten navizon to run and detect cell towers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drewcam888:
Rewards now back to $15
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
That's great! Maybe it will now be worth it to buy a cheap Go phone to use the SIM in my spare Tilt.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Ok I am now VERY impressed with Navizon - the payment has just arrived in my Paypal account taking just over an hour after I redeemed the reward - what service!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Ttblondey:
maps

Hi guys,

Finally I get connected to their server with APs & Cells located,thanks again for those who help me[you know who you are] but I seems trouble loading the maps-loading was way too long,try using Google maps with sn error stated :This program requires a Data connection.Please contact your carier,or visit www.google.com/gmm/configure.html on your computer for more info. (Error:connectError [183]):confused:

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Does your phone have a data connection? The message you posted sounds like you dont?

Cheers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Did you get any further with this?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] techfiend2:
I tried it and it works fine. It does crash sometimes but it is making me money for doing nothing so I don't care.

Thanks for letting us know about it Zippyioa. I registered using your referral to say thanks :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
You are welcome techfeind. I am glad I could help and thanks for using my referral link.

The crashing does seem to be a lot better since the last update (in fact I can't remember my last crash!) I tend to sync while the program is still running - don't know if that is the solution??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gatx80:
Hi,

i tried using the virtual GPS with only the GSM. and the wifi off . it dosent seems to work.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbritten:
there probably isn't coverage in your area, mine works great
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gatx80:
coverage ?

how can i check if there is coverage in my area.

thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Log in to the Navizon site using your details.

On your home page click on Coverage and look at the map where you tried to use GSM.

If you have lots of cell towers it should work ok I guess. Let us know how you get on.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbritten:
Navizon just increased the amount of points you earn for mapping wifi ap's and cell towers, now you can make money even faster. I've made 60 dollars in a week abd a half so far.

Check my signature for more info.

BTW, you can run it in the background while using YOUR favorite app and make money for doing nothing.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cashn:
one problem i seem to have is that whenever i X out of Navizon it wont come back up, i have to turn phone off/soft reset to pull it back up. not that big of a deal, just slightly annoying, anyone else having this problem?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Radeon123:
And they also decreased the points for cells and AP's already mapped :(

Luckily I don't think many if any are around my area though (Neath & Swansea, UK Wales), more for me :D

Only up to about 2400, that's mainly driving to work, not driven much further at the moment. Could have picked up thousands if I knew about this program Christmas time as I drove from South Wales to

London for the new years day, dam it :eek: :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi Radeon123,

I think you registered using my original referral link in post 1 of this thread? If so, thank you for using it!

I am glad I posted about Navizon now as it has really got people interested in it. I have been using my MDA Vario III since the start of October and had an XDA Orbit since Feb 07, both of which could have been earning me money. Oh well I am getting it now!!!

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gatx80:
HI zippyioa,

well i check my coverage. not much cell towers. only 1 around the area. i tried with google mobile. GSM locator. it works. but for Navizon . still cant.

but took my Tytn 2 with Navizon on for drive. and find that the program auto connect to my GPRS plan to update the server. is it possible to only syn after i return home where i got an internet connection ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Even if you X out, it still leaves a 2MB .NET instance in ram behind. You have to kill it with some process explorer such as TaskMgr or Wisbar Tasklist. THEN you can run Navizon again.

It really doesn't clean up after itself, even with the latest version. Modaco's CamerAware w Navizon is actually much better because no crashes and it actually cleans up the Navizon crap.

gatx80: turn off auto-sync.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Thats great for you then gatx80 as you can map the AP's and cell towers for the first time and earn more for them too :)

As for the auto sync, nushrike said about it above but to stop the auto sync go to: Menu > Options > Data > Remove the tick from Auto sync daily

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Blowfish64:
Ah well, it was interesting while it lasted. They pretty much all but killed the appeal of it now though (1 point for a cell tower already mapped, and my area's pretty much saturated already). I'm not about to waste my time finding 10,000 different cell towers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I still think there is an appeal.

The idea behind Navizon is that you are earning money just for having your phone, sat nav & wifi on as you travel. If you are using them anyway what are you losing? Ok I guess battery drain is an issue, but if you are in a car - you can use a car charger.

I don't see anyone else offering this sort of incentive and I am always happy to find new ways to get money to fund my expensive taste in technology! :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] stmasi:
This is a pretty cool piece of software. Just on my drive to work this morning, I've already discovered 318 new APs. Think I'll take the long way home tonight.

:D

Thanx, zippy.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Blowfish64:
Maybe so for you, but not worth the hassle for me. I've got to load up the program, turn on wifi, and connect to the server which causes my phone to freeze half the time. And now with the new scoring system I'd have to do that for months just to get $20. I've got better things to do with my time than deal with that, especially considering how unstable the program is anyway.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I'm glad you like it stmasi

I find that I am always on the lookout for new routes to work/friends/the shops etc. I have also found myself driving slower too as I found more APs that way. Not only am I earning points, but I am becoming a safer driver too :D

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Radeon123:
Thanks to the new scoring system, I gained over a thousand points today using a slightly different route to work, was only a 25min drive :D

As above I also notice the program can be very unstable, I always make sure I sync before I exit the program or it will sometimes crash I exit and even slows my phone down and requires a soft reset :(

Still love it though :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I agree, the new scoring is working well for me too!

If you take unusual routes to/from places you can find lots of sites that are so far unmapped which really helps build up the points :D

I had issues with instability, but the last update seems much better on my MDA Vario III. I generally sync before exiting - don't know if thats why?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] verona:
I just noticed the referral ID of its original poster here.

Program wastes your fuel. The one and only who earns enough money is the one who started the snow ball system

Regards
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
By using my referral code to register you don't lose any points. Several users have been kind enough to use it as a thank you to me for highlighting the existence of this program (thank you to all who have done so! :) )

As for the the comment that "the program wastes your fuel" - you can't expect to just drive around for the sake of it and earn money over and above what the fuel and running of the car would cost.

If you are doing the drive anyway (or even better if you are walking or cycling) you can run the software while you do so to pick up points while you travel. For each site you find, you earn points, which in turn earn money, all for simply running software during a journey that you would have done anyway - how is that a waste of fuel?

Zippyioa

As I have said before this software is not for everyone but as other posts confirm I am just one of many happy users.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] techfiend2:
Well I have just under one week of using it and my first payment is in my Paypal account already :cool:

I have a little way to go yet to get my second payment but I have some nice city driving for work next week so should get enough points to claim another $20.

I LOVE MONEY FOR NOTHING!!! :D

Thanks again Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ach2:
You must have been really burned by pyramid schemes in the past for you to take the time to register with XDA just so you could slam a scheme which has worked well for ages (years I think). YOU don't lose anything by usinf Zip's referral, but there are many users here and elsewhere who gain just for having their phone on.

If you don't want the chance for free money then ok, but personally I should get my first $20 by the end of the week - and yes, Zip also gets 4 points for every 10 of mine. - sorry, only 2 points for every 10 of mine.

Now, if you've got anything constructive to say......................
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
:cool:

I hadn't noticed verona had just 1 post here, so you may be right about him/her really being burned in the past - why else would you register just to slate someones post?

As you said, its a chance to earn free money, if people dont like the idea of Navizon, they dont have to use it! Those that are using it are happy with the chance to be rewarded financially for using their phones GPS/WIFI.

What name did you register under at Navizon ach2 - I dont see your name on my list of referrals!?

By the way - I only get 2 points for every 10 of yours, not 4! ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gatx80:
Hi Zippyioa

thanks that work for me the 1st time . after that when i try to update the data via wi-fi when i got home it keep giving me this problem "displayed because of optional resource assembly" :mad:

and i had alot of points store :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cproaudio:
zippyioa I just registered using your referral
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] united002:
Another option to rack up points as well is to swap sim cards, if like me you dont use your kaiser as your main phone, get some of the free simcards that are available then you will logup other networks cell towers on your routes too!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ach2:
How about this for an idea......

Use Navizon and post some of the proceeds to the HTC Class Action to help us all get better video drivers (Thread and website). Let Navizon pay for our lawsuit :D:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Not sure on that one - I sync mine automatically though so am unlikely to see it guess. Have you tried ticking the box again to see if it works ok again? If not you coul, uninstall and re-install Navizon to see if it fixes it?

Don't stress about your points - from many other posts I have read and from Navizons FAQ if it crashes during sync your points are saved in a file and uploaded the next time you sync successfully. :D

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Thank you cproaudio, I hope the program works well for you and wish you well on your search for access points :)

If you have any questions please ask.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I have heard this before but I can't try it at the moment as my MDA Vario III is locked to T-Mobile. When I get that SIM unlock sorted I have Orange, Vodafone and O2 SIMS standing by. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] k9tim:
GPS Prob

Ok- running a Tilt with Dutty v3 final (or whatever its called now ;) )

I installed Navizon twice now trying to fix a GPS problem.

I am able to track and upload wifi and cell towers. BUT I have no GPS at all. I don;t have GPS in the options menu, no where to set GPS com ports or anything.

I have even initiated GPS with GPS Test and get a ton of birds visible.

Also, every time I start Navizon, it starts looking for bluetooth devices. I assume it wants to see an external bluetooth gps puck.

What the heck am I missing here?

Thanks, and this is a pretty cool little app!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] united002:
in the options menu scroll left, for some reason it defaults one option to the right and hides the gps settings, i had the same problem with mine too ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] k9tim:
hahahahaha! no doubt!

Thanks very much!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
As United002 said above - goto menu>options and scroll left (I think most of us missed that one first time round ;) )

On my MDA Vario III I have the following in the GPS tab:

GPS: COM4: (ActiveDevice)

Baud Rate: 4800

Auto start is ticked

Output port: Off

Use Physical output port is ticked.

On the Account tab you should enter the account name and password you registered with - without those nothing syncs.

If your settings are correct you should see three green lights for Phone, Wifi and GPS after you start the software - it can take a little while to get going.

Your phone should now pick up Access Points (via Wifi) and Cells (Via the Phone) at which point you should see a count appear at the bottom of the screen.

It will start with "0 APs and 0 Cells located" then as it finds a site (either AP or Cell) those numbers will increase e.g. if it found 3 Access Points and 1 Cell Tower you would see 3 APs and 1 Cell located.

Once those numbers show on the counter your phone is seeing sites and you can sync then to add points to your account (Menu > Sync)

It can take a few hours for them to update the points showing on your account so be patient (mine took around 4 hours to appear at first
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
baud rate is 9600 NOT 4800
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gatx80:
Hi,

thanks for the information. but i doubt the points are stored in a file. i tried uninstalled and installed again. but the same thing happen. i suspect it because of the firewall and antivirus that cause all this .

:confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shogunmark:
Here, you all should try this cool little app from modaco..

http://www.modaco.com/content/Windo...amerAware-BETA-aka-CamerAware-hearts-Navizon/

works great with navizon and displays speed :D the camera alerts dont work in the US but thus far this app is pretty good!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shogunmark:
Here is something else i have for everyone..

I disliked all the navizon apps because you couldnt set the wifi scan time, kinda like how you can in wififofum. According to the registry the default scan time is in 20 second intervals.. i created a few cabs to change these values. Now changing these times could cause instability but i have been running at 3 secs and found no issue except faster batter drain... And these values can differ from device to device, so this has only been tested on the kaiser and works, cant be certain it will work on other devices.

1 sec

3 sec

5 sec

7 sec

10 sec

20 sec (Default)

**EDIT**

Cabs fixed and re-uploaded... im an idiot :D also added a 20 second cab to set it back to default!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbritten:
cab install unsuccessful for me (tried the 5 sec one)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Interesting idea shogunmark!

Do you find that a decreased scan time interval gives you an improvement on the number of APs you find? As it is scanning more often I would have thought it would pick up APs your phone would miss on a 20 sec sweep - ESPECIALLY when you are in the car travelling past houses at speed.

Definitely worth some investigation.

Thanks

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cproaudio:
Battery hog

I found a major problem with Navizon. This thing is a battery hog!!. I set it to work offline b/c I dont want the 3G data session on, especially when I got the wifi and GPS turned on. After 10 minutes of driving, it cause the battery to heat up. I'm thinking it's draining the battery too fast. When the battery gets hot, my charger stop working. This is the same problem I have with Google Maps with My Location turned on. The phone and charger work fine if only 1 of its data radio is on. Tomtom works just fine by itself. Streaming audio/video with Orb to my phone works just fine. But if a program such as google maps or Yahoo Maps is running where it requires GPS and 3G data to download maps then the phones get really hot quickly. At first, the battery indicator on the screen stops flashing. Then the charging orange LED starts to flash. The battery setting still showing that it's charging. Then after that, the left LED starts to flash green LED like I unplugged it but the battery setting still showing that it's charging. I did get 530 points for driving 10 miles though.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi cpraudio,

That sucks!

My MDA Vario III gets hotter than normal when its running more than 1 radio but not to the point where its messing up the charging!

Something sounds wrong there - anyone else had that problem?

Glad your getting lots of points though ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] 4Site:
Thanks folk

I've signed up using NuShrike's referal... i think enough people have probably signed up with zippy's... i'm sure he'd agree to us spreading out the profits as thats what his doing here in this thread i believe
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] surfsquid:
hi guys, first post so be gentle!

I've installed the app on my phone but it just keeps dialling through on 3g/gprs and doesn't display any numbers at the bottom like you said. Also selcting options from the menu doesn't seem to do anything as when I reenter the menu they have reset!?!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shogunmark:
They are fixed and ready to re-download.. Im an idiot and forgot 1 little line in the xml code which caused them all to fail.. but they are good now and i tested them!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shogunmark:
This is why i made the cabs, i was not happy with the fact i couldnt change the scan times. I do lots of driving and need the faster scan times. I wouldnt suggest it if you are just walking around :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shogunmark:
I have similiar issues, but mine is usually on for 45 minutes before i get a RED blinking power light and the phone is hot enough to fry an egg on! I drive about a 3 hours a day, and with CamerAware running (the navizon client i am using) even with the screen as dim as it can go i still overheat... if i run the inca-x streaming video client (turn my phone into a streaming dash cam) then its only 30 minutes before the phone is to hot to charge...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] surfsquid:
nvm, i got it working now, discovered 5 new cell towers right by my house!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] united002:
Yep ive been having the same problem charging the phone too, my lighter socket only produces 0.85 amps and it cant keep up with the power drain, the way ive got round it albeit a bit expensive was to buy an invertor to take the 12v dc to 240v ac then use a normal house charger plugged into it, that charges the phone. Its all hidden away so it looks ok (cost £24 for the Inverter and £7 for a multi lighter socket) not ideal but until solution is found it was the only way i could overcome the charging problems.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] neok:
this is amazing, i just had a look at the coverage map in my small village and noticed only about 10 wifi ap's were mapped in the main street and none byond it.

i had a little walk (about 45 minutes) and discovered 277 new wifi points and even a new cell tower ( i guessed they would all be mapped) 865 points the first hour after the install is not bad i guess.

gotta love the duch dsl providers giving a wifi enabled router to (almost) every new customer :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] surfsquid:
I just went for a quick walk too! 2 cell towers and 100 odd APs in 30 mins. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Excellent post shogumark!!

Is there an easy way to switch between each scan interval?

I was thinking of having it set to sweep as follows:

1) Every 1 second when in the car on car charger (so battery isn't an issue and you get more AP's when travelling at a faster speed)

2) Every 5 seconds when cycling (will use less power and hould still pickup plenty of APs)

3) Every 10 seconds when on foot (to use even less power and not overscan - when on foot you are pretty slow generally!)

Any ideas?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Wow, thanks. Totally unexpected. Thanks!

Does KaiserTweak expose the WiFi scan times? From the cab idea, I edited the reg entries manually, but I'm surprised it's not already exposed by somebody else. Sounds like a short programming project! :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shogunmark:
it shouldnt be hard to modify the latest kaiser tweak, or just have them include it in the next release... i can work on it tonight but dont have time at the moment... in the meantime you could always drop them in a folder on your storage card and install the cab when you need it, the cabs are small and wont take up much room...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shogunmark:
ok.. here is the kaiser tweak xml edited for wifi scan times... when you change the value it to which ever it will change in the registry to whatever, however the app defaults back to 1.. not sure why, and it doesnt change the registry to 1.. maybe when im not at work i will dig a little deeper...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] 4Site:
NP mate a 5 minute drive to work and 5 mins back reaped about 800 points, not bad at all, lol enjoy your share mate

TIP

I live in Central London found that although most of the main roads were pretty conclusively mapped, most of the side streets weren't touched, might be a good idea to stay in residential areas to gain better points use streets more when driving if its at all possible, it'll probably mean less congestion as well.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ronfin44:
Ok, today was my first attempt at using this, so I was VERY curious to see how I'd do. I'm a UPS driver so I thought this would be a great thing to do while I was already getting paid to drive around. The numbers below are copied/pasted right from my Rewards section. Starting from ZERO this morning, this is what I got:

. # mapped Points

Wifi discovered by you 1393 4179

Cell towers discovered by you 18 270

Wifi already mapped 1412 1412

Cell towers already mapped 38 76

Total: 5937

So 5,937 points for driving around and only able to cover HALF of my area cause my battery started to get around 20%. I started at 9am and turned it off around 2pm. So 5 hours I was able to get outta my Kaiser (down to 20%) and accumulate almost 6,000 points. I didn't sync until I got home, and I'm not sure if I lost anything when I shut my device off before syncing, so tomorrow I'll run the same trip and sync hourly and see what I get. One thing I noticed, is everytime I would stop, which is like twice per block on average, I'd start to register more AP's faster. Like giving it more time to pick them up before I drove off. Def curious to see what happens tomorrow. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
If you can, car-charger! :) Even if it'll pay for your replacement battery.