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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Tec1106:
That means that the acummulation of money greatly decreases, as the AP's and Cells in your vicinity are no longer new?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
There will be a reduction BUT with new sites going live all the time and/or by taking a new route to work or to the shops or friends you can find new sites all the time.

Anytime you go somewhere new just make sure you have Navizon running and you will get points which will get you money - what have you got to lose?

Register here http://my.navizon.com/Webapps/UserAd...e=5D565A5C5A57 Install the software and start earning!

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tyeo098:
Does this use data? (GSM/3G/Edge/HSDPA)?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
It uses your phones Wifi to find Access Points, it uses your phone to find cell towers and it uses your GPS to find where you are so it can map the access points and cell towers. As far I understand it none of these are chargeable or use data.

The position of access points and cell towers is stored in a file which is sent to Navizon using a data connection. By default this is set to sync once per day (at which point it would probably use your cells data connection) however you can disable the auto sync and choose to do it manually - at this point you could use Wifi or an Activesync connection to avoid data charges.

You can stop the auto sync as follows: Menu > Options > Data > Remove the tick from Auto sync daily

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Tec1106:
I smell extreme battery drain
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Its not great on battery but when you are in the car you can use a car charger so its no problem really.

It is a bit of an issue when on foot or on a bike, but if you are not out for too long and you know you can top it back up again (either by car charger or power socket) again it is not too big an issue.

Hey, you could always use the money you earn to buy a spare battery :-)

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tyeo098:
Car charger huh?

You obvoisly havent read the myraid of topics about car chargers bricking Kaisers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I have seen a few posts here and there but never had an issue myself.

I have an MDA Vario III from T-Mobile UK and use a car charger that I bought on eBay for my old XDA Orbit. Have been using this setup since the start of October with no problems so I guess I have never really been too bothered about this issue.

Thanks for bringing it up though.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
When I first heard about this program on Friday morning I was unsure that I would ever reach 10,000 points.

For those of you thinking the same, my hometown of Stratford-upon-Avon is not that built up an area. I have only travelled to and from work 10 miles away from home (using mostly rural roads with few buildings) and today into town and back (which is much more built up - lots of APs and cell towers).

I have already built up over 1200 points just on those two drives (25 miles) - that is without travelling around REALLY dense urban areas (big cities) with lots of buildings and also without walking around - just driving which misses lots of sites as it doesnt have time to log them!!

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] snooginsguy:
Man zippyioa, mention a good thing and get beaten up for it! To the naysayers, Navizon is a good deal, though yeah it doesn't rack up on your day-to-day commute. But if you do a lot of travel for business or whatever, it can become fairly luicrative. I only used the GPS option on my old 2125 (it didn't have wifi) and i still got 10,000 points pretty quick.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] xzaloox:
yep.. navizon is super .last week i accumulate 35000 points ( 60$ )

and total amount of money what i earn form navizon up today is 333.03 dollars
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Tec1106:
I completly get the beating part. For me, it feels like this guy is using this forum as a free commercial space for his or his employers product. I don't have not too much respect for that, as this is a Developers and users forum. Forgive me if I'm wrong, though :)

If I'm wrong, then I recommend not making your posts so cheezy and ad-like. When I read the text, it feels like I'm reading a marketing text for a new product, or so. That's why people turn naysayers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi Tec1106,

Thank you for the reality check - I hadn't realised how cheesy my first post sounded - point taken and amendments have now been made - hopefully it reads better now?

I guess years of working in sales have taken their toll on me as I didn't even realise I was doing it!

I work for a data cleansing company in Warwick UK and have no link to Navizon other than recently joining this scheme. I found this software through Paul at Modaco on Friday morning, saw the potential to earn money from it and wanted to share that chance to earn money with everyone here.

I have been using the XDA developers site for several years now to help me fix issues on my phone and I thought this would be a nice way to pay everyone back for the help they have given me - I also thought it was nice to earn something back from our expensive devices for a change. :-)

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Woof_:
Zip I would agree on the cheesy part. I did however sign up using your code just to give it a try. We'll see how it goes. Thanks for the tip.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] myv6mustang:
hey bro i was worried about power as well...what i do is go to system tab and end the program from there. it will cut ur wireless off for u. only had the program for 10 mins so still playin with it
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Yes, shut it down from the system tab, and not the X. I accidentally did that today and the program locked up. I just got the perpetual spinning color wheel of death. After 5 minutes I just gave up and soft reset the phone. When it came back up it was really lagging, and I tried to run Navizon, and it wouldn't run. Some error message that it was missing files needed to run, and to reinstall it. Anyway, the screen locked up again, so I soft reset again. When it came back the menus were lagging so slowly, and then it just froze up. I soft reset again, and as soon as it came back up I did a hard reset, and setup everything from scratch again. I am now running with no problems, and I'll remember to exit the program properly from now on.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nemanracing:
Just installed on my XV6800 aka HTC Titan. So far so good! Just sitting here in my room found 2 APs and 18 Cells!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
you got a looooong way to go, gl man!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jamieay:
Question / Observation about the ScanInterval

Hello all! First, many thank to all who have contributed to this thread - lots of good info. Now, I'm running Navizon on my Kaiser (Tilt) and I've got an observation about the ScanInterval settings in the registry. Back when I started using Navizon I had noticed that the number of APs found would update fairly frequently - depending on the density of the area as quickly as every second or two.

I took notice when people started talking about the ScanInterval setting in the registry. With the default ScanInterval registry settings (there's one in HKLM\ControlPanel\WiFi and one in HKLM\Comm\WiFi) of 20 seconds and 60 seconds, I still had updates as quickly as once every second or two. So I did a little experiment. I drove a 3 mile loop near my house with the default settings and found 154 APs. Set the registry entries to 3 and 60 and found 147 APs. Set the values to 20 and 3 and found 149. Values of 3 and 3 got 155 APs.

On my Kaiser it doesn't look like the ScanInterval registry setting do much of anything in terms of Navizon's ability to find APs. I stopped and restarted Navizon and WiFi between each registry hack.

Any thoughts?

Jamie
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] myv6mustang:
used it for the first time today. Drove a total of about 20 mins. Work >home>work>home and i am already over 600 points. I looked at the site under rewards there are some people in the 6 figures on points :eek:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Interesting. However, even though the official MSDN docs (http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa916274.aspx) only names Comm/WiFi, I only see a ControlPanel/WiFi entry on my Kaiser.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Delete your attachments then?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jamieay:
Are you sure? My Kaiser has both. Did you try searching the registry for "ScanInterval"? That's weird...

Jamie
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Done - didn't think I could do that :) They say you learn something new every day!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RayB:
Although, I do agree it is not a virus. It certainly does freeze alot more than time to time. Daily for me, and a soft reset.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] myv6mustang:
I haven't had that issue. it does use a lot of mem but close it and ur good. no probs after closing
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Well, the results are in: I've been using the software for a week now and this is my points standings as of tonight. Not bad considering for the most part of the week I really haven't been farther than about 4 miles from home. I'm almost to getting my first payout.

Here's a few tips to gain as many points as possible:

Obey the speed limits, especially in residential areas and you will find more networks.

If I'm in no rush to get where I'm going and I'm passing a big apartment complex I pull up and park in the lot for 5 minutes. You can rack up a few hundred AP's if you're willing to wait a few moments for your phone to find them all.

When possible take different routes coming and going.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
I said it's like a virus. Learn to read.

Anyway, here are my points:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ronfin44:
...and I said it wasn't like a virus, learn to comprehend jackass. :rolleyes:

To anyone that has had the freezing issue. Do this. After driving or walking and collecting a bunch of AP's and Cells, sync and send the info to the server, and when you wanna turn the app off don't hit the "Stop" soft key. Close the app by going to Settings/..../Running Programs and end all there. It'll save you the headache of having your device lockup when you try to end Navizon.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
So where did you say it wasn't like a virus? You may have said it wasn't a virus, but never did you say it wasn't LIKE a virus.

What does a virus do to a computer? Causes it to hang, crash and slow it down. What does Navizon do to my phone? Causes it to be very slow and crash. Therefore it is LIKE a virus.

On a better note, I should have my first 20 dollars sometime tonight! :) (But yeah, then it's coming off. Maybe when Navizon creates a more stable release, then I'll continue using it.)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ronfin44:
It's not like a virus, because I stated it WASN'T a virus. *sigh*

Continue reading...

A virus doesn't just make your PC hang, and actually causes damage to it if not corrected. A large drain of your resources from any number of apps running will do the same thing on your PC like it does on your phone as is the case with Navizon. Nothing even close to a virus which many times you wont even discover running until problems start to pop-up. A frozen phone or PC needs a simple Alt+Ctrl+Delete to stop some tasks to free-up memory, or a Soft Reset on your PPC. Not like a virus, and just what happens to every PPC or PC when your resources are tapped-out.

Also, make sure you go back over the same tracks when possible cause you'll still find new AP's you missed the first time around, even after a few times by the same locations. You'll notice a jump or a spike in AP points whenever you come to an intersection and wait for the light to change, so passing back over the same tracks a few times ensures you nab close to all of the AP's in your area.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
Just a tip to everyone, try not to go out and drive around for the hell of it. You could end up wasting a lot of gas that way. Next thing you know, earning 20 dollars wasn't so free after all.

I went to 3 or 4 apartment complexes that were about a mile or less away from my home. Park and just let your phone find them all or if you want to rack points up even faster, get out and just walk around. Most apartment complexes have a wifi internet service such as InstaConnect that has many AP locations around the apartment complex.

This way, you don't burn too much gas and you can maximize points as opposed to just having it on to and from work, friends, dinner, ect. This works just fine too, but it CAN take quite awhile to earn that $20 in most cases.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] FlyEvolution:
This program is awesome. So far I've earned just under $60 for doing next to nothing at all (short of remembering to leave the kaiser on and plug it in to the cigarette outlet)

I wouldn't bother with it if you don't live in a really urban area though. If you're out in suburbia where your neighbors are 3,000 feet apart, it will take you too long to rack up points.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ronfin44:
True. Today I had to drive up to Hoboken from Philadelphia, so I took the Turnpike. I only got about 400 AP's on the way there. Once inside Hoboken I got 500 AP's in 15 minutes! So an hour plus drive nets 400+, 15 mins inside the city nets 500+. So on my return trip I took US Rt 1 all the way back. A little longer, but just on the drive home I grabbed 2,300+ AP's and 150 Cells. That was worth another $20 and I'm halfway to another reward just from my drive today. It takes a bit of planning ahead when you go somewhere, since you def wanna avoid dead spots like on a Turnpike with nothing but farms around. Inner-city driving is where the cake's at! ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
Got my money. :D

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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] anon2070:
This is great - I installed this for the 8 mile drive home and took the side streets rather than the interstate - i got THREE THOUSAND access points in 45 minutes. I'm going to drive home a different way every day!

http://my.navizon.com/Webapps/UserAdmin/register.aspx?referral_code=5C5A5E5D595D <--- my referral code
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
I'm going to be delivering flowers for some friends that own a flower shop on Valentine's day. I get $9/delivery + all the points I can rack up. I'll probably be going to several apartment complexes, with the phone sitting in the truck racking up the points! I'd be curious to see how much I can get in one day delivering flowers.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Sounds like a great way to make some extra money ;-)

Be careful not to go leaving your phone unattended and on show while you make the deliveries - even if they should be a quick call. Despite the extra income it would take a lot of deliveries and wifi points to pay for a stolen phone!!

Good luck with the deliveries!

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
When I deliver to apartments I always call them from the truck, and have them meet me at the main entrance to their building. The truck is never out of my sight.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Lurking Lawyer:
Apologies in advance if this is a horribly n00b question or has been asked and answered before, but in my defence this is a first post and I'm only a 2 day owner of my TyTN II :p

When Navizon is running, the PDA keeps trying to hook up to mobile internet. I assume that this is because the "check for updates" box is still ticked in the Options list. I've tried unchecking it but it doesn't seem to save the setting. Every time I do so and click OK, if I go straight back to the Update tab the box is checked again.

I'm paranoid about inadvertently running up huge data charges as my current tariff for the moment only has 1 Mb/month of free data usage. I know that logically running this shouldn't require GPRS usage, and I've removed the check to Auto-synch, just to be sure, but I'm perplexed as to why I can't tell it to stop looking for the most up to date version of the software.

Any ideas....?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Welcome to the forum!

Never be afraid to ask a question - just make sure you do a good search for the problem before asking to avoid being gunned down by the more serious posters on here :)

1Mb per month - that wont go very far :eek: Are you sure its not 1Gb p/month? If it is 1Mb, I would suggest speaking to O2 about a better option as the Tytn2 is made for the internet and you shouldn't be holding it back! I am on T-Mobile in the UK and pay £7.50 p/month for 1Gb p/month. I have never used up in 5 months of using it and use it all the time.

Now to your problem. If you fix the data option your problem goes away, but if you still wan't to avoid an auto sync (so you can wifi or activesync when you get home) then check the following:

Menu > Options > Data

Set locator to Local Database and remove the tick from Auto Sync Daily

Then go to the Update tab and remove the check box from Check for updates on startup.

That should fix it!

Let me know how you get on (or if you have other questions)

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Lurking Lawyer:
Yup - quite sure - it's the bargain basement £15 a month tariff so, until such time I as next renew my contract and trade up, or bolt on the O2 £7.50 "unlimited" data option (which actually equates to 200 Mb/month :rolleyes: ), I have to be careful about data usage, not least since each extra Mb over the free one costs £3! :eek: Not a problem for the moment as I don't currently surf much using the phone. I just want to avoid inadvertent usage!

Anyway, thanks for the pointer. I've changed the locator, as it was set to Remote. I had assumed I couldn't use Local Database as it said it was a premium feature and I have only the freebie version of the software.

Alas, even having done that, it still won't save the setting after I uncheck the box to stop it looking for updates. Aaaaargh. Thanks anyway for the help, Zippy.

Anyone else had this problem, or is it a known software glitch....?

(PS Zippy, I used to live in Solihull so know your part of the world quite well - the backroads of Warwickshire were my own personal test track for my car ;) until I moved up to Cheshire)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Ok, Here's my flower delivery update...

I started today with 9,434 points. In my travels today I found 2,240 new AP's, 8 new cells, 459 previously mapped AP's and 4 previously mapped cell towers. This totals 7,307 points today alone. Since this pushed me over 10,000 I redeemed my reward for $20 (Which is what I estimate my gas costs for today were!) so for running the software I got today's gas for free! I had to software lock up on me and I had to soft reset part way through the day, so I have no idea if that data was lost or if it was transmitted when I synchronized.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
An added bonus: I checked the timestamp on my paypal payment, and they paid me 20 minutes after I requested payment! That's fast!

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Lurking Lawyer:
Just for the benefit of anyone else who may have this problem, I posted a similar enquiry on the Navizon forum and one of the mod replied to the effect that it's a known flaw and has been reported to the devs to be addressed in the next version of the application software.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] turcomora:
Polaris and navizon

I am the first to admit that I thought this software was bs, but I was wrong. Installed software and on drive home made 1500 points! Software for the most part is very simple and does have cool features. Froze on me one time and was fixed with a soft reset. Now I think I have OCS and am trying to get all my friends to use this software. Excellent thread and very happy with software.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Thanks for the update! Lets hope Navizon sort it out quickly. In the meantime I guess you can manually stop it connecting on startup?

And you are right, this area has some great roads - I love it round here!

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
My only problem is that it freezes often, and I have to soft reset to exit the program. I'm quite sure when I do that I'm loosing the data its collected. The other day I had like 30 cell towers and a couple thousand AP's and I think they were all lost when it locked up.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jagr:
anyone using touch cruise with navizon? my friend doesnt seem to be able to sync using touch cruise. he gets something bout optional resource assembly error message
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Not seen that one before!

Have they installed on storage card or main memory? Main memory is usually less problematic.

Also I presume they are using the loatest version? (v3.4.0.5)

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sexylatin1:
Would Like To Try

zippyioa HELLO NOOB HEAR I WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS BUT I DONT HAVE A FREE GPS SERVICE .I HAVE A TILT UNLOCKED AND I USE T-MOBILE FOR SERVICES.THE FIRST THING IS WOULD YOU HAVE A PROGRAM THAT IS FREE THAT I COULD INSTALL INSTEAD OF THE ONE THAT CAME ON THE PHONE IT ONLY GIVES YOU A FREE 30 DAY TRAIL AND WOULD LOVE TO KEEP IT RUNNING BECAUSE I TRAVEL ALL OVER UP STATE NEWYORK FROM BUFFALO NY TO MAIN.AND NEWHAMTORE.SO I THINK I COULD MAKE A FEW DOLLORS OF THIS AND WOULD HELP ME PAY FOR MY 90.00 PHONE BILL A MONTH.THAT DAM DATA PACK IS KILING BUT ITS WOTH IT.SO IF THERE IS A FREE GPS PROGRAM THEN SHOOT ILL WOULD ASK YOU TO TALK ME THREW THE INSTAL OF THE GPS PROGRAM AND THEM HELP ME HHOK UP THE MONEY MACHINE..LOL.. THAT I WOULD NEED.PLEASE REPLY AND THANK YOU FOR THE MONEY MAKER TIP.HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU SOON.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi Sexylatin,

Firstly welcome to the forum.

You can use Navizon as a free GPS program but it works by triangulating signals form WiFi* and Celullar towers. It calculates the position of a wireless device by using several triangulation algorithms and a database of known access points (which users of the Navizon software send in to Navizon). In other words, it works a little bit like GPS only that it uses WiFi* and Cellular signals as opposed to satellite signals for traditional GPS. The downside of this is lack of accuracy. It is normally a good 500 metres out which isn't great for driving!!

If you have a lot of mobile data available in your monthly tariff you could use google maps mobile which allows you to put in directions to where you want to go. It doesn't give turn by turn directions, but hey, its free!

If you want a true sat nav with voice guidance your best bet is to purchase something like Tomtom or Copilot (make sure maps are available for the areas you want first). This is what I use with Navizon running in the background to collect wifi and cell point so I earn money to pay for this kit!!

If you have any questions please ask.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sexylatin1:
Still Need Help

Ok So I See I Dont Need A Gps To Run This So If You Could Take The Time It Would Be Great So Just Install The Program On My Tilt And I Dont Have To Run The Gps Or Do I .second I Think Im Gonna Boch This Up So I Really Would Like Your Help Once I Install The Program.please.im Im Up State Ny.in The Usa What Would Be A Good Time For Us To Comunicate Via Computer If You Have Instant Messaging.would Be Great.so Please Let Meknow When You Would Have Time And I Would Like To Do This And Conferm It Was Done Wright Buy Having You Help Me And If You Except Donation I Would Make A Small Donation For Your Time Thank You .....