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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
TBH, I've stopped it entirely. My 'Regular' route with work doesn't permit me to deviate off the path and it allowed the PDA to work properly for a change and not overhead most days. It also means it doesn't drink the battery.

If I was travelling more over non-set and regulated routes then I'd be ok, but I'm not.

Perhaps in the future I might. But not now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I travel a handful of routes to work and find that I still pick up new points now and then. I guess this could be down to new routers etc or the phone picking up points it missed before?

I don't get anywhere near the volume of points that I used to, but I still pick up some here and there.

The biggest amounts I collect are when I do a day out somewhere new. I went to Solihull at the weekend and got nearly 4K points in a few hours!

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
Oh yeah, thinks like that it'd be different but for now there aren't many routes I can change bearing in mind I've got a timed departure, timed delivery with only a small margin for traffic issues. Plus I'm delivering a valuable load. Well. Valuable to someone. :D :D Afterall, I'm just a driver :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
Well. I tried it again. Installed it and the PDA crashed. Then failed to boot properly on restart. Kept locking up everyway I tried it. In the end I had to a hard reset and make sure it was uninstalled and removed from every part of the registry and disks before continuing.

Staying away FULL STOP from that package!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] warrmr:
Zippy i hope you dont mind but i have created a facebook group for this program and put my referal link in.

and damn you for mapping out solihull thats my zone i noticed theres lots of points mapped around the hillfield/monkspath area is zippy to blame for this or do we have another mapper competing for ground.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shadowfixeruk:
Evening :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] warrmr:
i bet youve even nabbed all the points from the flats by tudor grange park.

altho i have noticed no one has nabbed the points for th emobi mast by the fieldhouse on knightcote drive ive drivven past there 3 times trying to get it to register on my phone but its not picking it up.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Sorry for the late reply - just got back from hols in South West France (mapped lots of points there and back :D)

Elwyn - Your issue with crashing your phone seems strange I find the latest Navizon very stable. What version are you running and what version of Windows Mobile? If its a cooked rom - whos is it?

Warrmr - I have done a few visits to Solihull so you can partly blame me but I am more Stratford/Warwick based. You probably have a lack of points in Solihull to blame on Shadowfixer and other Solihull travelling Navizon users! :p

Glad you are enjoying it!

Take it easy

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Navizon disabled by using iGO8

I actually use CamerAware to log my Navizon points, but I've found one problem with it: If I run iGO8 (GPS software) at the same time, CamerAware still runs but it does not pick up any new wifi or cell towers.

But here is the weird thing: I can run both programs as long as I keep CamerAware in the forefront; but as soon as I switch the screen to iGO8, it stops picking up anything. Then when I switch back to CamerAware, the MPH and direction reading goes crazy (almost like it stored my different speeds and is trying to "catch up" to current) for a few minutes and then it begins to finally track what I am doing in the present.

This is very annoying since I have to minimize my GPS tracking software in order to pick up Navizon points.

Also, this does not happen with Google Maps or Live Search, but I don't want to be stuck always having to use data to download my maps (iGO8's maps are on my storage card).

Any suggestions?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
Latest downloaded from their site, logged into my wifia AP and it did all the updates. Following day it died. OS is Orange Original WM6. No cooks, basic tweaks..

As for Stratford/Warwick/Leam I'm in Coventry and have covered those areas too ;) :rolleyes:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
That is an odd one. I dont have iGO8 personally so cant test it but I do run Navizon and Tomtom side by side with no problems.

Have you got both programs set to use the same GPS port and baud rate? If not, give this a try and see if it fixes it (sorry thats the only thing I can think of!)

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I am on T-Mobile with Leos rom so not sure if its an Orange issue you are having there. You sure i was Navizon the caused the crash - mine has been SO stable since the last release!

Did you have an issue with your phone overheating and frying the innards several months back - or was that someone else? If so, I guess it may have heated up again and reset the phone? I haven't had any issues with this myself. On a 6 hour trip across France last week it was 30 degrees plus and I had it running non stop with no problems.

p.s. I wondered who was to blame for all those "Already Mapped" points I found around Warwickshire!! :D

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Hyden121:
so has anyone actually made any decent movey from this system?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
I just downloaded the newest version of Navizon (3.5.1.2), and I am having a little trouble getting it to track me. When I open it and go to the dashboard it says "Tracker Status: Disabled" and I can't find anything in the settings that would allow me to enable it. Also, I have the power settings up all the way (to have wifi on at all times) but on the dashboard, the wifi button stays orange while the Phone and GPS buttons are green.

Why can't I change the tracker status to "enabled", and get wifi to turn on when I click start?

Any ideas?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
I've made about $135 now (the price of my phone) in about 2 or 3 months, and I have yet to leave the state!!! :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Depends what you mean by decent! :D

I cant retire on my earnings, but I generally get one reward ($15) every week or so (sometimes sooner). This adds up over time and isn't bad for running some software as I travel.

Before I mapped all the points in my area I was getting a reward every 3 or 4 days.

If you live in a built up area (big cities) with lots of residential buildings and walk around them you can find LOTS of points.

Give it a try - if its not for you, what have you lost?

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
The Tracker status can be enabled by doing the following:

Click on Menu>Goto Map>Menu>Buddies and tick Send Location

This isn't very obvious!

FYI with the tracker option enabled your position is sent to the Navizon group (which can be seen when you login to your Navizon account). Other group members can also see where you are and when you were last tracked - some people are funny about this.

As the tracker updates on a regular basis it will use data while you are travelling - be careful if your data costs are high.

NB You dont need to enable the tracker option to find points and earn money - only if you want your position to upload to the Navizon group!!

Whilst I am on data usage - the position of access points and cell towers is stored in a file which is sent to Navizon using a data connection. By default this is set to sync once per day (at which point it would probably use your cells data connection) however you can disable the auto sync and choose to do it manually - at this point you could use Wifi or an Activesync connection to avoid data charges.

You can stop the auto sync as follows: Menu > Options > Data > Remove the tick from Auto sync daily

As for the Wifi issue - sometimes I find that Wifi doesnt turn on when I launch Navizon - there doesn't seem to be a reason for this. If it happens I goto Comm Manager and turn it on, then exit Comm Manager- it seems to work fine in Navizon after that! The power settings only relate to how Navizon handles Wifi once it is running - e.g. "Always on" means that Navizon will stop your phone from switching off Wifi

I hope this helps.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
I see. I just took a little drive and Navizon was able to work with iGO8! So it must be a problem in CamerAware (maybe because it also tracks direction and speed).

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
It was a good thought, but I have now tried Cameraware and Tomtom together and they work fine. They both track direction and speed so that knocks that theory out (unless Igo8 does it differently from Tomtom?)

I launch Cameraware first, get it going, then hit Start and launch Tomtom. I then set a route and start driving - after a few mins if I go back to Cameraware it is still logging points.

This possibly suggests that Igo8 is where your issue lies? Have you checked that the Comm Port and Baud rate are the same on both programs?

Let me know how you get on.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] phantomy2g:
Hey man i just read some post i live in california united states and i wanna try this out
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi Phantomy2g,

Check out my first post in this thread here

If you get stuck let me know!

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] phantomy2g:
Hey i set everything up and i got the 3 lites going but no points yet imma take a walk and see oh 1 cell located just now and 2 aps just sitting here typing
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vcespon:
It depends on how much you travel or are willing to walk/bike every day.

I have collected 28 rewards ($412) plus $60 for winning the Navizon contest 2 times in 3 months, so the phone is slowly paying for itself.

I'm currently fighting for the first place in July with someone whose nickname starts with mic.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
That's a good point. CamerAware works with Google Maps, Live Search, and now Tomtom, but not iGO8. I just installed a new build of iG0, so I'll try it out again to see if I can use them together. I'm glad that at least the new Navizon will work with it!

Thanks for all of your help!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
It will be interesting to see how you get on - keep us posted.

Is there any reason why you chose Igo8 over Tomtom? I never tried it, probably because I started using Tomtom so many years ago and its always worked for me so I stuck with it.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
No, no reason. iGO8 was just the first 3rd party program that I came across. I want to try Tomtom once I get a larger storage card (8gb or more). I'll let you know what happens.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
For anyone who is new to this program, the best way to build up points fast and earn money is to do the following:

1. Run Navizon whenever you can so you always map points as you travel

2. Run Navizon even if you are travelling a route you have already travelled as you often pick up points you missed the first time round!

3. If you can walk or cycle the route instead of driving it you will pick up MANY extra points due to travelling slower and the phone having more time to pick up more wifi signals.

4. If you are driving - SLOW DOWN!! - you will save fuel AND pick up more points due to travelling slower and the phone having more time to find points

5. A long journey will not necessarily give you lots of points!! Many people have mentioned travelling hundreds of miles expecting a large number of points. Open motorways have very few houses near them so few wifi points are available. This means you can only really map cell towers.

To maximise points you are best travelling in heavily populated streets especially in built up cities which have lots of houses/flats with wifi points. Multi story residential tower blocks are great for wifi points too - if you have the patience sit outside one for a while and see the points shoot up!

5. Stick with it! When you first start using Navizon it can seem like it will take forever to get to 10,000 points to earn a reward. It can take a while, but with patience it is suprising how quickly you find points.

6. Don't ever forget that this software costs you nothing to run but gas/petrol does cost money. Never expect that you can just drive around and earn more money from points than you pay out in fuel costs.

The best way to view Navizon is that its a free program that pays you money for finding points. Its a great way to make extra money if you are travelling a route you would be doing anyway.

As I have said many times before, if anyone has any questions, please feel free to ask.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pazookie:
so with oretty much EVERY RADIO TURNED ON ON THE DEVICE (wifi, 3g/gsm, gpa and maybe bluetooth if your driving (mostlikely)) how long does your phone last? i know even with the device plugged in hsdpa drains fater than battery can be charged and same with gps so this is mainly pointed at the guy on this page who said hes accumulated $400 plus $60 what kind of travel do you do and how do you keep your device charged?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I find that with my phone plugged into a car charger the battery stays at a constant when running Navizon (using Wifi, HSDPA and GPS together). I rarely use bluetooth as well though as I use a wired headset to talk!

I recently drove from just south of Dijon in France to Calais running Navizon the whole time and the car charger kept the battery at 100%.

When you are walking/cycling battery drain is an issue, but I normally get a few hours at least before hitting low power warnings - more than enough for me to walk into town, do some shopping and walk home to charge up again.

For longer walking/cycling trips I have a spare battery which I charge up and carry with me so I can swap out if needed.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] slovoflud:
i've signed up :) let's see how many i can find :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
I just ran Navizon with the new build of iGO8 and Navizon froze when I attempted to stop it. I had to do a soft reset in order to shut it off. I guess I'll continue to use CamerAware, and then try Navizon with iGO (hopefully yesterday's freezing was a fluke). Maybe I'll check to see if there is a new version of CamerAware out.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] VDubGli:
Sweet. Just signed up yesterday, havent even left my house, and already I have 50 points.

Only thing I dont like is that my phone is getting hot enough to cook an egg on it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] VDubGli:
Went for a 15 mile drive through a college and some businesses and racked up 1300 points. :D I like this program.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] brian_v3ntura:
lol i already got 446 points just by driving from my new house to my old house to cut the lawn..i wish i lived in a big city =\ jacksonville....i think its the biggest city are wise but not a lot of buildings compared to new york
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
When you are running wifi, gps and charging the phone temp will increase. Mine does warm up a bit, but not enough to make my dinner on it :D

How long were you running it for before you noticed it got that hot?

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] VDubGli:
I don't recall how long. Maybe 10-15 minutes?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
It shouldn't get that hot that quickly.

Mine gets its hottest after an hour or two, but never too hot that I worry about it.

What handset are you running and what ROM does it have on it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vatapa:
It seems that I can't log any cell tower here in Italy.

This is weird, because I can obviously talk and surf the net with my phone.

I tried with two different sims: Vodafone and H3G.

I noticed that in the map of data on navizon site H3G towers are not present.

Any idea ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vcespon:
Battery duration:

Ir depends on your radio. I'm getting almost 4 hours with 1.58.26.20

I have seen it go down 60% in one hour with other radios

If I'm going to be out longer I carry a second fully charged battery or a external battery pack (charges the phone though USB), I have a 5400 mAh one that should last a lot.

You must have a very bad radio, my phone charges while Wifi ON, Screen ON full brightness, HSDPA on. It charges at 600 mA with the standard HTC charged.

Also the phone does not get hot while running navizon. It get hotter while talking or using 3G. Do not carry the phone inside a bag or holdster, it get very hot that way.

Strategy:

1st, I live near a big city (3 million people)

2nd, it's almost unchartered, no one knows navizon here

3rd, I mainly walk. I have to walk for health reasons, I spend too much time sitting in front of a computer at work. So this is a way to enjoy it more and visit new parts of the city.

I have also tried it while on car, but you tend to be too far away from the buildings and moving too fast. Also, walking you can enter zones between the buidings where traffic is not allowed.

Points:

85000 points this month, but it would be more if Navizon had not done a change on the server's algorithm that discarded too many points. They corrected it a few weeks ago after I pointed out the issue to them and sent them solid proof.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jmbond31:
Jus installed using your referral code, zippy...gonna try this on the way home this afternoon and see what gives :) Thanks for the post and the info...we could all use a little spare cash!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Great tips vcespon!!

Walking/cycling can REALLY boost your points over driving AND you get fit too :D I try to do that as much as I can.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Thank you for the positive feedback ;) I am glad you like it.

With rising energy, food and mortgage costs I think everyone could use a little spare cash - Navizon is a great way to offset some of that fuel increase. By driving slower to map more points I am using less fuel than my usual grand prix style of driving too!

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Okay, for some reason I can't stop Navizon from running without crashing the program. I am able to sync without a problem, but once I hit stop it just freezes! I have to do a soft reset to stop it from running. This happens even if Navizon is the only program running on my Tilt. :confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Not sure on this one - mine ends fine on the majority of occassions. I sometimes get a crash but its VERY rare. That said I use an MDA Vario III (T-Mobile UK version of the Kaiser) so the Tilt may have an issue - anyone share this problem on theirs?

Have you installed in the phones memory or n a storage card? I found the storage card to be more problematic - no such issues on my phone memory.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Yeah, it may just be a problem with the AT&T Tilt. I do have Navizon installed to the main memory as well. Still, I think it's a great program and I will continue to use it. I've earned over 91,000 points in a couple of months and haven't left the state (New Jersey)! Maybe I can get into the top 3 in August when I actually plan on travelling. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vcespon:
New kid on the block

It's going to be difficult this month, there's a new kid on the block (hello pad, wherever you are) and he's coming very strong. He's adding 10000 points every day. I have spent the weekend on another city and collected almost 20000 in 2 and a half days, but can only get 2nd place with that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Yeah, I see. You guys are making it very difficult for the rest of us! :(

It's funny because I thought you were a truck driver or something. I can't believe that you get all of these points by walking!!! :eek:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hey VCE,

Looks like you might even have to settle for 3rd place in August!?

Pad has a new top 3 friend - bov - who has pushed you down to 3rd for August so far. Well its day 6 of a 31 day month, I suppose there is all to play for :D

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vcespon:
:) I have not added points for 3 days, I think I'll log less points this month, (certainly not 10000 a day like Pad), it's August, and we're having 35ºC - 37ºC here.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] VDubGli:
I'll be happy to get 1000 points in one day, let alone 10k. Jebus christ.

Whats the most money you have received all together?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
I want to get up with the big boys of Navizon and earn 5,000 - 10,000 points per day!!! How can you keep finding so many new apps? Do you just drive to a new area and walk around for 2 hours everyday?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Navizon still has issues if you stop it while it's syncing.

Also, WM6.0 has GPS/.NetCF instability that Navizon keenly irritates. One symptom is the 2 or more minutes for Navizon to actually exit the process list after it's already quit while hogging 2MB of ram. This will accumulate if you start up Navizon again, sometimes even preventing it from connecting to the GPS.

This very cleanly disappeared after the official HTC WM6.1 release.

Meanwhile, Zippy gets a lot of referral points. Most of the rest of us have leveled off after a certain point.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
What I have noticed is that if I just choose "Exit" with the program still running, it will close out fine. It is only when I try to "stop" the program from running before exiting that it will freeze up. Now if it was able to tell you what your current points are (like CamerAware), we would be in business!

I'm trying to refer people as well, but I don't know many people with GPS enabled phones. :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] VDubGli:
I've been trying to refer people as well. I've put it on 2 of my website but got closed because they thought I was advertising "navizon"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Does anyone know how to keep the Tilt from sleeping when Navizon is running? Once the phone goes asleep the GPS is disengaged.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] VDubGli:
Go into navizon on your phone, go to options, go to power tab and check off allow navizon to manage power, then pick your choice of low med or high. Hope this works for you. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
I did this and chose high, but it did not help. The phone still goes to sleep while Navizon is running (whether I'm viewing the map or dashboard). This is very annoying because I have to tap my screen every two minutes to avoid having the phone go to sleep. Also, if I am using the map I would like the screen to stay bright at all times.

I know that I can change these settings for the phone in general using Kaiser Tweak, but I don't want to have to make registry changes and soft reset every time I get in/out of my car.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Sorry, I was away a lot last week with work so didn't reply until now.

Did you get this sorted? I can't think of another way to stop it going into standby other than what you have already done?

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
No, this still happens. I really don't know what else to do. If I run another GPS program, then that program will keep the phone from going into standby. However, I don't always need to have another program running. I'll keep trying.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] odm420:
today was my first day using navizon and i already have have 2400 points . cant wait for tomorow