yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RayB:
Tried using this again tonight. I knew about this software before the OP had slapped it up here. But, since day one, it crashes my phone all the time. Cycled home from work. Stopped to sync up on 3 occasions, each time had to reset as it crashed once again. I added up the points I had found and would of accumalated 9000 points ish. I live in a built up area. Good thing about Tokyo :) ... But, this software is basically cack and unstable. What good is it if you have to keep reseting, you are advised by others not to stop it but to force quit it from the settings panel so it does not bomb your phone. This is just silly. I work for a software company, and if our stuff did this we'd be out of business.

Sorry just fuming....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zetajunkie:
zippyioa,

I'm curious how many points have you been able to leech off of the people in these forums? i noticed that you get 20% of the points that people you referred to navizon. Although they still receive their earned points, you get the "bonus" points.

How much extra cash has this thread made for you?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ach2:
Leeching is not a nice description - I'm supporting Zip because one day I'll be a millionaire from this (one point/penny a time) :D

At the end of the day, I'm making ALL my points and he gets some for free - but, look at his posts - most are in this thread supporting people with problems on the software he's pushing...

However, I'm curious too - the extra points have got to be worth a few quid :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Exactly, In <another forum> my signature is advertising a free $25 AT&T giftcard with activation of new AT&T service. I put the people in the AT&T referral program, they get a $25 card, and I get one too. I've gotten several BT headsets for free because I paid for them with giftcards from the referral program, and the people are happy because they are getting an extra $25 off the best deal they can find.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] raibenski:
But will it work in Finland and other european countries?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ach2:
I don't know about Finland but probably yes. I know it works in UK, France, Romania and Turkey (so far with my travels this year). Unfortunately, most of the time I'm in the back end of nowhere so only get a few points at a time. I can't wait to get back to Shanghai or KL though - a new cell or access point on every building - this is where I'll get my million quid :):)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi everyone,

As Ach2 and Jay said above, I posted the program here in the first place to let people know about it. Off the back of that referral I have received some extra $$$ but without my original post many wouldn't even be aware Navizon existed. Ach2 also mentioned that I have offered a fair amount of support (along with many private messages) to those that are really stuck so I feel I have done a bit of extra work to earn the referral points ;)

The way I see this program is it is something for nothing (except running a bit of software when you are travelling). For those, like me who travel a lot in built up areas, it is a chance to get a lot of points for doing very little over and above what you would be doing anyway! :D

Sexylatin1 check your private messages

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sethyboy:
well perhaps you can help me then...

I flashed Dutty's 6.1 rom and now I cannot get navizon to install or let alone run if I load my backup I made... currently I am running the rom with bare programs that I need to survive.

Is there an issue with 6.1 and navizon? I can get one of the java versions to run but it doesn't do anything and doesn't recognize the GPS.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I can't say if there is an issue with that rom or not as I run the standard T-Mobile rom on my MDA Vario III, but I am sure that others have mentioned that they are running it on Duttys rom without trouble - I may be wrong!?

The wording of your post suggests that you had Navizon running OK, but then you flashed Duttys rom and it wont work now - is that correct?

If so there could be something missing from Duttys rom that Navizon needs to run ok.

I presume that you have tried to install on the phone, not the memory card?

Also have you tried a soft reset then installing Navizon?

Let me know how you get on.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] freewind29:
I am using dutty's 6.1 rom, and navizon runs fine. No problem at all, I just made around 2000 points today, and it turned on, updated, and close smoothly. Try to remove the navizon program and manually remove the whole directory, the directory remain there even after you uninstall the program. Install the program after you clean it up.

And bye the way, I installed it in my SD card, and no trouble at all.

Hope this help!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] freewind29:
Hi Zippyioa,

I believe I have made you few tons of bounus, but still wanna thank you for your information!

Cheers!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sethyboy:
Like magic.. this time when I downloaded the file to the device and installed it to the device it worked.

I had tried every combination and alot of resets but it finally worked. odd as it may be.

Super cause this is the last week I will be traveling for work for awhile then it' the same trech for 6wks ugh. If I had only known about this program when I was driving from PA to NH, VT and all those other NE states...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
You are welcome. I am glad you like the software and thank you for thanking me!! :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I'm glad its working ok now sethyboy
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Has anyone noticed that in the last 48 hours or so the Navizon website seems to be slow when you login and try to view your points balance (especially when you click on he "rewards" link)?

It also seems to be slow to update points I have sync'd as well - anyone else experiencing this?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bigdish:
Hi

Yes tonight have had probs with my points total.

I have posted on the Navizon forum.

r

Andrew
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] F2504x4:
I seen where this question was asked before,

but with no response.

Will this work with my Hermes/8525 ? I have a BT Gps and i am running WM6
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Yeah, it will work with a BT GPS.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Well, with my first $20 reward, I bought another phone! (I've been looking for one of these for a long time, I have a NOS Stromberg Carlson housing kit in Lime Green that I'm going to install on this phone...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=130198713400&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=003

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bigdish:
Still having probs with AP's being recognised as "found by me "

Anyone else ?

r

Andrew
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
I'm not having a problem. I'd say that probably 2/3 of the AP's I find are "Discovered by me".

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi Andrew,

APs discovered by me are being added without a problem - although points are still taking quite a long time to be added to my total - sometimes a few days or so. Are you sure that it's not just a long delay thats making it look like you are not being rewarded correctly!?

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bigdish:
Hi

I am getting the points but for "Wifi already mapped".

On a trip to London this weekend I amassed 4000 + AP's and only about 260 were "Wifi discovered by you".

According to the coverage map I was in a lot of unmapped areas - backstreets away from the main routes.

When I check "my data" they are there !

As I have already been rewarded only 1 point I can't see the the server reversing that to 3 points.

:mad:

r

Andrew
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
You have to zoom in to the lowest level to see if an area is really unmapped. At any level other than the lowest it will show a random sampling of about 150-200 markers. Note the 2 pics I have here... The first is the enitre metropolitan Washington, DC area. The second is a zoom into the area around the Aquia/Garrisonville exit on I-95 in Stafford County. If you look where I have that area marked on the first map, there are no markers shown in that area, there are 686 markers there, but the map is only showing 195. Of course, just by randon distribution most of these markers displayed are on Interstate 95. There are still 491 markers in that area that are still not displayed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bigdish:
Hi

Thanks for that.

I was at maximum zoom when I checked.

What I have done since is synced again. (I had saved my large data file to my PC before I originally synced when the server was playing up)

Copied this file to the Navizon folder and synced again.

Strange this time it changed the AP's discovered by me to a more reasonable level and updated the points.

Until I am happy with "large" data uploads I will save the file as a precaution.

r

Andrew
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
The point sync issue seems to be a lot better now.

I had a LARGE number of points waiting to appear for several days that seem to be showing now!

I hope its the same for everyone else that were having problems!?

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bigdish:
Yeah the server seems better now - but it still took me 2 uploads before the correct data was shown.

Again the Ap's were shown on "My data" maps before they were converted to points. I guess this must be an update thing - a bit worrying when you think they have not been registered and converted to rewards.

I understand that the DB has been changed so maybe this is now normal ....

r

Andrew
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] soldierbot:
Thanks for the heads up on this program, zippyioa.

Here is a partial screen of the waps and cell towers I found just walking the dog the past several evenings.

Here are my stats...

...already submitted for one reward and it showed up in my paypal acccount about a half hour later. I hope you enjoy the residuals :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jasperrr:
Wow that looks awesome soldierbot.

Too bad I don't have a dog anymore, then I would have actually enjoyed walking with him :p

Well as soon as I get my TyTN II I'll just cycle around my whole town. (Nothing mapped so far in my area and I live in the richest village of the netherlands so there must be plenty of wireless AP's here :D)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PsyberEMT:
Ok, wow. Nifty software. I'm an EMT (Ambulance guy for those that call us something else over the pond hehe) in Atlanta, GA, so I drive 14 hrs / day 3 days a week and 8 hrs a day the other 2 workdays. Racked up 2000 pts driving home from work (installed it sitting in the station), that drive took about 10 minutes. I cant wait for a good solid week on the ambu to see what I can do. Apparently most of Atlanta (off the interstates) is rather uncharted, so this could be a nice way to help pay the cellie bill ;) Thanks to the OP for the heads up on the software.

Just fyi:

Running dutty's 6.1UC, AT&T Branded TyTN, AT&T Wireless
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Thanks for serving in the EMS field... I wish I still had time to drive an ambulance, but now that I own my own business I haven't had time to do it. I've been out of it for about 6 or 7 years now...

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
Ok, I've had this running for a few months. And it's taken out a few phones too.

With GPS, Wifi and Phone system 'scanning' whilst on charge the battery gets hot. REALLY HOT. I've had at least one phone toast itself due to those services running. And even now the replacement gets hot as well.

However, no one seems to have bought this up, but I doubt its just me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Soldierbot that is one colourful picture - you must have a very healthy dog!! :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi Elwyn,

Something doesn't sound right there - I admit my phone does get hot after using Navizon for a while but not to the point where I would use capital letters to describe it and certainly not to the point where it kills the phone :eek:

You actually lost a phone to the excessive heat - what happened?

How long are you running it for each time you use it?

Looks like you are with Orange - did they replace it under warranty?

Anyone else getting this?? :confused:

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Radeon123:
My Orange Tytn 2 also get very hot when using GPS, wi-fi, phone in permanent 3G and charging the battery.

The battery status apps reports the battery temp at 47c (highest temp so far) :eek:

But even at that temperature my phone works ok for hours :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gunadeau:
I received my 20 bucks yesterday on Paypal

it's working good

http://my.navizon.com/Webapps/UserAdmin/register.aspx?referral_code=5C59595F5B5D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] myv6mustang:
My phone gets a little toasty too but i dont leave it on unless im driving. Besides i just put the phone through a torture test.

TomTom Navigator + Navizon+630 Miles + 10 hrs of strait driving, and phone works fine. Only issue i had was only made damn 2K points for the trip...:cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TiltedAz:
After 3 weeks I'm almost to 10,000 points. When I reach it I'm done, time to unload navizon, not worth it for me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
I've found for long days in the car I take the back off of the phone and leave it in the charging cradle. It seems to stay a lot cooler with the back removed, plus my cradle is mounted by one of the vents, so in the summer I can have a/c blowing right on it keeping it cool.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] myv6mustang:
I am kinda with you on this though. I find points dont come as fast as i thought and also for some reason when i have Navizon installed none of my other GPS programs will work without it running. This is a great program for travelers and delivery people.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
I have Navizon run both with and without TomTom Navigator 6 running and my GPS functions fine in either case.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
It was on the dashboard, the heaters weren't running but the SatNav was running on the Kaiser and Navizon was running too (ironically, Navizon and Navigon :rolleyes:). Stopped at Ross on Wye garage to get some sarnies, returned to truck to find PDA off. Took it off the mount to find it too hot to touch. So pulled the battery (with several pens and some loading gloves and left the battery to cool.

Got back on the road fuming. Once I arrived in S.Wales (destination) I tried to get the PDA running again. No joy. Wouldn't even boot up. Tried soft reset, hard reset, with and without sim or memory card. Nothing. Was reminded that I was glad I had taken my maps with me :(

Rang Orange and they arranged a replacement. That was faulty from the outset. Replaced within 24h.

The third one lasted me about a month, if that. A few days ago it locked up, refused to soft reset and refused to mate with ActivSync. Even after hard reset :( Lost all my contacts, so I guess the best backup I have of those are about a fortnight out of date, but I've also lost my work logs too. Dratio!

Spoke to Orange again today. Seems the previous replacements I have had are "refurbished / reconditioned" units. Tomorrow I'm getting a brand new one.

If I'm in the car / truck I'll usually have Navizon running on power. One thing I have found today is that running it with the screen open drastically reduces the heat build up... It still gets hot but not as hot as before. The battery mostly runs up to about 50-60'c. Driving time varies. With work it could be anything up to about 9h with a 15h shift daily... own driving is varied.

So. 4 phones since January. I've not heard any other details about the phones getting hot apart from that when the wifi is running on charge it drains the battery as well as putting it into a quick discharge cycle...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
That much heat definitely sounds wrong! It is common for them to warm up a bit, but not to the degree where they fry themselves!

I wonder if it's an issue with your car charger putting out too many amps/volts? See if you get the same levels of heat build up when you use a mains charger.

Also whats it like without charging?(obviously the battery wouldn't last the day, but it would be interesting to see if the heat problem goes!)

Does it get as hot with the car charger but only Navizon running - no tomtom/navigon?

Let me know what you find.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TiltedAz:
Another complaint. As I'm nearing 10,000 pts I've noticed new points aren't being added to the rewards total. Today I had over 400 APs and 50 cells located, should have easily been over 400 pts and put me over 10,000 pts. Nope, not according to navizon, it gave me about 120 points. WTF?

Do yourselves a favor, stay clear of this money making notion. It's a time consuming, carrot on a stick, pain in the butt.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jomo25:
I'm not sure if there is an issue on their side. I started using it yesterday and quickly racke dup 567 pts on a short trip. Today, I racked up at least 3-4 times that just doing all my travelling around town. But I've got credited for zero. My ohone still sees the APs and Cell towers, colects them, and it even says it syncs successfully, but there nothing showing up. Could it be a bad delay o their side...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi Jomo25,

Two issues could be affecting you here. Navizon have had slow server responses recently regarding points being added to your total. Many users are posting about a several day delay on points addition. This has been posted earlier in this thread I believe?!

The second thing - I presume you found new wifi and cell tower sites this time!? Navizon only give you points the first time you map sites - they dont give points every time you find the same site after that.

I hope that helps

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi TiltedAz,

I dont think that the issue you are having is an intentional attempt by Navizon to stop you reaching 10000 points. As I said above, they have experienced issues recently with points being added slowly.

As for it being a "time consuming, carrot on a stick, pain in the butt" - everyone is entitled to their opinion, so here is mine:

I don't see how running a program in the background while you travel is time consuming? Its simple and not what I would class a pain in the butt. Navizon isnt going to make you a millionaire overnight but it will allow you to earn a bit of extra cash for doing what you do anyway!

Its not for everyone, however many users are very happy with it and are keen to earn money for free.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
If you search the forums here for Kaiser and Hot then you will see quite a few issues of where the wifi, gps and phone on together as well as chargeing (ie, on being activated but not necessarily in use), causing the heat build up.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jomo25:
Thanks, but it really would need to be the first, if anything. THe first day was only driving home from work. Most of yesterdays driving was in places I don;t normally go. So, they may not be new to Navizon, but they were certainly new to me.

Well, I just checked and I'm still stuck at 567. So, if I don't see those added in the next few days, I may just give up. It's too bad, I was kinda havin fun watching it accumulate...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cbailey:
I think Navizon is great. It has earned me 60 $ for doing what I do anyway, in 3 weeks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi jomo25,

Are you using the software from Navizon or the Cameraware software?

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
I just got another $20. Not bad considering I've been using this software about a month now, and I got paid $40 driving places I was going to anyway. I wish the software was a bit more stable, a few times its locked up on me, I think I might have gotten rewards sooner as when it locks up I think it looses all data that hadn't been transmitted to the server yet.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bigdish:
The file that gets uploaded is BPDNaploc.dat and lives in the Navizon programme root.

Once you have successfully uploaded it gets deleted.

Multiple loggings without syncing just add to the file which gets created the first time you use after a sync.

This file survives "crashes" and as it is constantly being updated while you log any points lost would be minimal.

Hope this helps.

r

Andrew
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
One day I had thousands of AP's and about 60 cell towers logged when the software locked up and I had to soft reset about noon or 1:00pm. At the end of the day when I synced my stats only went up by about 40 cell towers, so I'm quite sure that time it was lost. I was driving in an area I had never used the Navizon software before, so it couldn't have been the server ignoring items I've discovered before.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
wow this thread is almost like an infomercial in its tone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] madmanfrommars:
So just to confirm, I don't actually have to be paying for the AT&T GPS service to use this right?

Damn I wish there was a way of running it on my car's nav system.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jomo25:
Yup, that seems to be the issue. I was originally using the Navizon SW. But I noticed that if I ran that, and closed it. Then tried to run it again, it wouldn't work. it didn't clean up beind itself very well, thus it would only work if I soft reset between runnings.

The CamerAware app worked nicely, in that respect. And it was accumulating on the screen and went to sync. The points didn't show up. I thought that maybe it was just some delay, esp. since there had been reports of people not getting credited for a couple of days. But now I realize those points are all likely lost due to an issue in that app or some problem between it and Navizon. Oh well. (A cynic would suspect that my points DID get credited, but perhaps to another person's account.) I'll monitor that other thread and see if it gets all sorted out. I'm fine with losing those points. And if its fixed and I get the urge again, I might try it again. Til then, my Navizoning days are on hold.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
since when did you have to pay for the gps service from ATT? It's a device in your phone that you purchased. Telenav is just something they sell you to use with it and is not needed at all to use your gps.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I did wonder as my points also stopped appearing around the time I started using the latest version of Cameraware. It's a shame because (as you said above) Cameraware appears to be much more stable than Navizon!

I hope they fix the issue soon - I will post here when they do!

Bear in mind if you had mapped points using Cameraware that didn't appear after you sync'd - Navizon should credit you with the points if you map the same sites again and sync when things are fixed (I hope that makes sense!?)

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TiltedAz:
No kidding. One person benefiting via a pyramid scheme should be nipped in the bud.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
But that person has also pointed out this software to others like myself who like using it, and has provided support for the users of this forum.

-Jay