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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ach2:
I'm with you snooginsguy - give zippyioa a break - all he did was plug a good program. Sure he'll get points from referrals but not at our expense.

Of course it'll be heavy on battery and if your car charger doesn't work buy one which does - seems quite simple to me.

I've signed up (using zip's referral number). I travel worldwide for approx 7 months of the year so I (and zip) should get a few $ along the way. I got 14 points for switching my phone on at home, I'm travelling to Heathrow this morning then in Romania tonight - we'll see how it goes.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
"So what you're saying is that we're helping a company spam us based on out GPS location?

Thats weak man.

I dont want spam messages, and dont say its not spam, because if its unwanted, its SPiced hAM"

tye098,

The reference I made to them sending us location based messages was an idea I had NOT something I read anywhere on Navizons site, it was simply a feature I figured they could add at some point to generate revenue as payback for giving us money to find sites for them.

I agree spam is NEVER good, but if I could subscribe to certain stores AND offers/services I would be fine with the messages they send me.

An example - a music fan who could agree to Virgin music advising them when a new album was in stock for their favourite band. Using their location Virgin could message the user to let them know the new album was instore when they get near a Virgin store. They could also include a discount on the purchase if the user showed the message when they buy.

You get the album you wanted at a discounted price, Virgin get increased footfall and a sale they may not have had otherwise (you may also buy other things whilst in store) and Navizon get a commission from the retailer for finding the customer - we all win - so if it was managed well it wouldnt be spam!

Again, let me stress that this is MY idea, not something I have read on Navizons site!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Thank you for backing me up ach2.

By posting this I was only trying to let others know about the program. I feel like I have started a huge debate by suggesting something like why don't we all go out and drown kittens!? :-)

Like you said I do get referral points when you register, but YOU still get the same amount of points you would have had if you found them yourself so YOU don't lose out!

As for the other points you made - Navizon may not be for everyone but if you are:

1) OK with sending info to Navizon

2) Happy to use the program whilst you are travelling about

3) Using the right car charger

4) A regular traveller

then you have the potential to earn some money for little/no work.

My hope was that some of the readers here find this topic/software useful.

Thanks

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] d3sm0nd:
Your link contains:

?referral_code=5D565A5C5A57

Are you getting extra points when we sign up? :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi d3sm0nd,

I do get extra points, but as I said above YOU still get the same amount of points regardless.

Thanks

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Has anyone thats using Navizon had trouble with their buddies/groups showing on the map?

Mine was working fine until late last night when they stopped appearing. Is it just mine?

Thanks

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] swiftgs:
Re

So people can say they already received money, because if they do I'm going to sign up as soon as my kaiser is repaired (from a broken brodit car charger :().

I drive from Rotterdam (NL) to Bergen (Norway) thats about 1500 km through a lot of dense cities. so I think i can make some money there... But i just want to know if anyone received something yet.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I only signed up on Friday so need a few more points before I have enough to get paid, but see post 17 in this thread and I know several users on other forums who have already had money paid directly to them via Paypal.

It appears to be a great service for little effort.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
I use a car-charger from e-gadget depot that shipped with my Kaiser just fine. I'm using a new tip from my iGo car charger and that works fine.

Navizon can use data (GPRS/UMTS), and since it's somewhat an unstable NETCF program, you want it to upload your data as you move around before it crashes or hangs your TyTN II. Luckily, it seems all logging is to non-volatile so you can just sync your data after your start back up.

Navizon is basically competing with Google Maps' new cell-tower based GPS except Navizon has been doing it a bit longer, and Navizon ALSO supports using WiFi for GPS positioning instead of just cell towers. Makes it much more accurate.

My referral code: http://my.navizon.com/Webapps/UserAdmin/register.aspx?referral_code=5D565F585B5C :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I like that NuShrike - I recommend the software to people, get the post going and pop my referral link in to get a little back from it - so you just come along and drop your refferal code into the mix! Thanks! :-P

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Yup, I set it to high.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I tried several of Duttys, Sleuths and others but finally settled on L26_WM6.1_PRO_V1_Hybrid (Based on the ATT 209 build) because it offered what I wanted and seemed the most stable.

Since loading it GPS cold boot time straight after a soft reset can take 2-3 minutes instead of the original 30 seconds that the T-Mobile stock ROM took, but subsequent GPS start ups are more like the usual 10-15 seconds. As everything else works so much better I can live with this minor issue!

The best bit is that Navizon rarely crashes or seems to have issues with this ROM so I am very happy as I was missing lots of points with the stock T-mobile due to crashing.

I hope you get your issue sorted RayB

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RayB:
Ya me too :D

But honestly, it is not getting resolved. I have been hovering around 3rd position this month for points but it is frustrating collecting when you have to babysit the device. I have now tried about 4 Roms over the past 3/4 days with several combinations of internal GPS, bluetooth unit, it is not overheating as the unit is hanging around 26C while I cycle to work...

If I could get this to at least work on my international version of blackberry that would be suffice... but even that does not reconise the phone...

Perhaps I will give this ROM you mention a shot.

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ach2:
Give the rom a try - I was having loads of problems and changed to v6 of this rom and it's the most stable and fast 6.1 AND Navizon works
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi RayB,

It sound like you have tried very hard to get this working!

I have the UK T-Mobile MDA Vario III which as I stated above runs the latest version of Navizon fine on the L26 rom.

Which phone are you using and on what network?

What version of Navizon are you running?

When you install a new ROM have you tried running Navizon straight from a hard reset with nothing else installed? If not, try it and see if it still crashes.

When you install a new rom do you perform a hard reset straight after succesful installation? Apparently its the best way to avoid issues (according to many posts on xda-dev). I make sure I do it every time now just in case.

Sorry for the barrage of questions (especially if you have tried the above alread) but your determination to get this working may mean you overlooked something simple! :D

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RayB:
Ok thanks guys,

That is a yes in regards to all of your questions. I always hard reset after a flash, and yes to only installing Navizon and running that as well as many other combinations.

Trying this ROM now, lets see how it goes.:confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RayB:
Ok, I loaded up this image.. assigned similar settings as to what others are using in this thread and the first initial test is positive. I racked up 2500 network points and 40 cell towers by the time I got to work today and no crash which is a first. Usually, the max I have ever gotten was about 1300 before conistant crashing.

I will keep it on this week and see how it goes.

Thanks guys.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi RayB

I am glad you got there finally (fingers crossed) and I hope the smooth running continues for you.

It seemed odd that others were running well, yet you were having problems. For me it had to be something to do with a software conflict.

So others who read these post in ddesperation know what you did, which ROM did you go with, the L26_WM6.1_PRO_V1_Hybrid (Based on the ATT 209 build) rom that I mentioned or did you go with Duttys?

Also which radio rom are you using. Thinking about the crashing this is very likely to be a reason as it affects signal and battery life mostly but if I understand correctly it also affects GSM and wifi signal?

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
Well, the price has now gone down to $15 and it's getting more and more difficult to reach the 10k limit. It doesnt help that at the moment I've got 4 days a week where I'm running the same route which I cannot deviate from with timed departure and delivery times. So I'm just picking up the same APs and Cells each time.

What is the difference between Premium and the lower one? I've got the Premium one but don't know it's features yet....

As for position. I was consistently at about 20th but then slipped back. I'm now at 53. I'll keep it running for now, but we'll evaluate it later....

Cheers, Elwyn
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] californiarailroader:
It seems like if you live and travel in a rural ( http://www.gomendo.com ) area like me, this might take forever to make any money. Cell sites are at a minium 4-5 miles apart, sometimes 15-20 miles, and WiFi access is even more spread out. I think the only way I MIGHT make any money would be on our trips to the Sacramento Valley and Northern Sacramento Valley, or Eureka, or Weaverville west of Redding, or other trips like that, but those come intermittently, and most of the areas I work in there are rural as well, 10,000 sites would be VERY hard to come by up here. On the plus side, I don't think this area has been covered much, if at all by Navizon users, but I could be wrong, we get a ton of tourist and travelers though.

Even going into the Ukiah, which is the big town (15,000) here and 8 miles south of me, I only hit 5-6 sites, and almost no WiFi, until I'm in Ukiah that is and then the the WiFi becomes more widespread.

I'd like to do this, but I don't know if I'd ever make any money, am I wrong? Cell sites here are not nearly as dense as you guys have in the UK and Europe, and there are some good sized dead spots in this area. Oh, I am running Dutty's Hybrid ROM on my AT&T Tilt and love it!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
The annoying thing is, I live in a city, I commute to another large town and then drive a puddle jumper about 50 miles away to a large industrial estate, often travelling through other reasonable size towns to get there.

The most I ever got was getting lost around Birmingham City Centre (UK)! Ahh well, I'll keep adding the extra points here and there to get one point at a time :o :o :o :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi Elwyn,

The difference between the lite and premium versions of Navizon can be seen in the table here

It looks like the biggest differences are that it gives you wifi GPS (mainly aimed at people with no built in GPS on their device I guess), it gives greater accuracy on cell tower positioning and it also gives you the option to log a trail to see where you have been.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RayB:
I went with the L26_WM6.1_PRO_V1_Hybrid. The testing on the way home also went well. Racked up 3000 network and 90 cell towers with no crashes which is way beyond anything prior. As well, I had it running my music via BT headset as well with no issues.

The strange thing is prior with Duttys, when I would run Navizon I used my music to determine when it crashed as it would stutter every 15 seconds when navizon was running. When it crashed or stopped logging networks my music would run smooth.

With this new ROM it runs music smooth and collects points efficiently. Now I can just cycle along and stop babysitting this silly phone.

Thanks guys.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
My parents live in a rural area. I always run Navizon when I drive out there, and I make a point to drive a different route each time I go. Before I started running the software there were no points plotted in that whole area. Although I didn't find copious amounts of towers or AP's, the ones I did find were all new, so they all earned the highest points level. That kind of made up for not finding lots to towers & AP's. Each time I go out there I earn several hundred additional points. It doesn't hurt to run the software as I'm already driving there. I've been thinking about driving to various neighborhoods in my pickup truck, and then park the truck and bike up and down each street to collect points without burning too much fuel. I could use the exercise anyway.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] birdheh:
crashing again

This new version worked for me for a few days and now is even worse. The program, as before, continues to work as I ride and drive. When I try to stop it it then just hangs and I have to reboot and all points lost. They told me before that the points were not lost, but they are. Also, since the upgrade about a week ago my tracking has stopped working. It says that it is tracking on my phone, but even when I am able to upload points they will not show on my tracking map. Nice idea that others have been able to make work, but the instability of this means that I use it for getting points and maybe bucks, but when I need a mapping program I am hesitant to use it. Sorry that I wasted my first reward on the full upgrade.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Tracking is part of the "premium" version. You get a 15 day trial of the premium version when you sign up. Unless you pay for the premium version you won't have the premium features after 15 days. If the software hangs up on shutdown the points are still in the datafile, and should be transmitted when you synchronize next, even though they aren't displayed on the screen. The only exception is if you have the bad version that was out less than a day about 3 or 4 weeks ago. This version was not crediting points to anyone, and was quickly replaced. I recommend upgrading to the latest version if you are not already using the latest.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] birdheh:
thanks for the reply

I appreciate the reply, but it would have been nicer had you read my original posting. I stated that I had the newest version. I also stated that I had upgraded to the full version. So your suggestions that I get the newest version and that tracking will not work unless I have the full version were rather useless, but thanks for trying.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jon_k:
Interesting, but AP's come and go so it must take lots of work to keep this DB going. For their GPS software it's 29 bucks 1-time fee to buy.

Yet they're paying thousands for us "roamers", wonder where their extra income comes from?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omikr0n:
It actually works!

I must say that I did not believe this software at first. I thought that Navizon would send you those $15, but I also thought that getting 10000 points would be close to impossible.

Now I don't. I gave it a try. I have got 3500 points just for yesterday! My trips included: trip to and from work by car (2 different ways) 2x8km, short bicycle trip (around 5km) and trip to my girlfriend (around 8km) by car. An average day trips I would say and already 3500 points! I expect to reach 10000 by the end of the week. Great!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Private investors?

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
They must be making money from other sources or they would have struggled to get this far!

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RayB:
For anyone considering I thought I would just add. The first version of this ROM has been working great. He came out with version 2 of the ROM recently. It is right back to square one. So, it is back to version 1 for me. Just an FYI.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sevencents:
help!

hi will like to check with u guys, everytime i start navizon

Tracker status: Disabled

and everytime it will connect to GSM/UMTS for downloading maps.

Does it means tat everytime i start navizon it will use data to connect?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi sevencents,

You dont have to use data to connect when you use Navizon. If you have a data plan with your network provider - dont worry as any data transfer wont really cost you anything. If you dont have a data plan to avoid data costs sync via your PC.

It could be connecting on startup for several reasons:

1. You have it set to look for an update on startup

(Menu>Options>Update - remove tick next to Check for updates on startup)

2. You have it set to autosync daily

(Menu>Options>Data - remove tick next to Auto Sync Daily)

3. You have it set to update your location

(Menu>Options>Data - Change Locator option to "Local Database (premium feature and tick Work Offline)

If you select "Local Database" AND work offline it shouldn't cost you anything for data transfer while you are mobile.

You can collect points as normal then when you finish collecting click "stop". Your points will be saved and you can connect to your PC when you get home and sync with activesync using your PCs internet connection by launching Navizon and clicking Menu>Sync

Let me know if you have more questions.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CUSTEL:
Why would I want someone to track my every move?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TomH123:
Read the title of this thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
It is taking ages to reach the final 10k points :(

TBH I'm actually considering shelving the usage of this on my current contract. If I was doing new routes then it would be different. but there's nothing really new that I'm doing anyway....

It was nice while it lasted!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
You can use the tracker function to see where your friends are.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] clstan:
Anyone having trouble registering? I keep getting a server error.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sevencents:
hi zippyioa,

i can't Change Locator option to "Local Database (premium feature and tick Work Offline) cos when i do tat Navizon won't run as it will shut down by itself. And now i can't sync it not even when using data...

I dun really know wat's the problem, i'm using HTC TyTn 2 or shoul i uninstall and reinstall again????
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
sevencents,

I am not sure on that one - never had it myself!

A reinstall may be a good plan. If you do, uninstall, then soft reset. After booting check all folders in Program Files are deleted before installing again.

Also I would suggest installing on the phone NOT the memory card - I found it more stable that way.

Let me know how you get on.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sevencents:
give up...

it's still the same, can't use local database den can't syncwit activesync or wifi, myst use GSM/UMTS...

i think i goin to give up on it already...

so sad, got money also can't earn :(...............
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ryanh11:
when i run it on my htc s621 it turns my wifi off so whats the point? also after moving throughout the program it creates an error that says its out of memory
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi sevencents and ryanh11,

I am sorry I cant offer more help on your problems with Navizon. I would love too but have not had theses issues myself.

You could try this alternative from Modaco as many people find it more stable. It offers the option to be warned about speed cameras in the UK (paid feature) but you can also use it free of charge to collect Navizon points.

http://www.CamerAware.net/cameraware.cab

I hope this works more smoothly for you both!

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi clstan,

Sorry I didn't reply to you - I didn't see your post until now!

I haven't tried registering recently as I registered months ago so don't need to do it again.

I think Navizon are having a few server issues at the moment as their site seems much slower than normal. They sometimes do maintanance on it which gives you that error you got.

Are you using the link in blue in my signature? - that appears to be working fine but did seem to take some time to load when I tried it just now! :D

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
I think so... I have not been able to view the coverage in my area for several days now. They must be working on their website. Points are still being applied though.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vcespon:
Very interesting for me

Hi, I just read your post this morning and this program comes very handy to me. I was just about to go on a trip for the weekend and after 6 hours I have just collected 3000 points. This area is 99% unchartered, so I'm the first one to discover GSM towers and WiFi access points.

I'm not going to become rich with this, but I have to walk as much as possible (medical prescription) and this makes it more interesting.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi vcespon,

I am glad you like it and its good that you are in fresh territory as you should collect many more points that way.

As you said, you won't be able to retire on the earnings :D but its a fun way to get a bit back from your phone for a change.

If you ahve any questions please feel free to ask me.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] 6666:
So I signed up. However,

When I go to Coverage/my data on thier site, It shows 25 point I have collected.

However when I go to rewards - It's blank?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi 6666,

I think they are being a bit slow updating points today.

I collected a lot of new wifi points on a walk this morning. They are now showing in my data page but have not yet been added to my rewards.page.

I am sure they will appear soon

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vcespon:
It was just one of those happy coincidences, I was reading the forum just before going on a weekend trip. The phone has been on with the GPS mapping software anyway, as I was going to visit several touristic places. So by just having navizon software running I have collected 2300 markers.

It seems that they do not update the rewards page on weekends, but that must be at least 5000 points.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] standbackiamcrazy:
Cheating me???????

I am also experiencing this since the start of the weekend all my rewards havent come up although my wifis i've mapped have appeared on the coverage map, hmmmmm.... all the wifis i've mapped this weekend have come up as unsecure, even though most of them aren't

Any one else experiencing this? GRRRR :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] 6666:
I'm still not seeing mine from fri night on rewards page.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CUSTEL:
That's my point, why do I want people to know where the hell I am?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RayB:
Good question but simple answer. Don't use it then.