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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
The buddies feature isnt something I use but I guess if you had a group of friends who also had the software it could have its uses - many of them listed here!

One thing worth noting from that page is the following:

No Big Brother here

With Navizon's buddy tracker, only users that are member of your groups can see your location. So you can only be located by the people you want.

And if you don't want anyone to know where you are, you can even turn it off altogether by unchecking "Send location".

As RayB said above - if you don't like it - don't use it! :D

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CUSTEL:
I don't even use a windows mobile phone... I was just making an observation...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
All of my recently collected points seem to be showing in the rewards page now! :D

Hopefully Navizons server upgrades are complete and they will be more consistent from now on.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Good. I'll give it a workout this weekend. I'll be delivering flowers for Mother's Day. I think I'm going to write down how many points I have before I start, then check again Saturday night. When I delivered flowers on Valentine's Day I earned a reward equivalent to how much I spent on fuel to deliver the flowers! Now that I have a stable client running I want to see how much I can really do!

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Jay,

You love your flower delivery don't you! :D

I hope it works out for you - it's good if you can max out what you earn!

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
LOL, I get $8 for each delivery. I have a large pickup truck with a covered bed. I can usually get about $300/day doing deliveries, and I plan on delivering flowers for a half day on Thursday, and all day on Friday & Saturday. I figure if I can keep moving I should get about $700 - $800 for 2.5 days work. Hopefully if Navizon works properly I should earn enough points to pay for my fuel. I am halfway to my next payout. Hopefully I can get at least 15,000 points so I can get 2 payouts. I estimate my fuel costs will be about $30, so 2 payouts should cover it.

Its not bad money considering I'm doing this on my days off. I love extra spending cash. I will need new tires on my truck soon, and I estimate that will cost about $700 for the tires I want to buy (I don't trust my life to cheap tires).

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Native Error? Can't run Navizon!!!

I installed Navizon onto my AT&T Tilt. I did a soft reset and when I attempted to start the program, I received the following error message:

A native exception occurred.

ExceptionCode: 0x80000002

ExceptionAddress: 0x016a8328

OK to terminate

CANCEL to debug

Pressing cancel does nothing. I have uninstalled and reinstalled at least four times (soft resets each time) with the same result.

Any suggestions/ideas?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I've not seen that error myself so did a google search.

I would suggest you follow the ideas here:

http://www.navizon.com/phpbb2/viewt...start=15&sid=c37860c447008973263da889dc681c94

It looks like someone with a similar issue resolved it - but I think it took a hard reset to do so - hope you dont have to go that far.

Let us know how you get on!

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Forced to do a hard reset

I was forced to do a hard reset in order to get this program to work. My account still doesn't show any points yet. I am also upset because I went for a walk tonight and collected a lot of points but the program froze before I could upload.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
kcrumbley

I'm glad you got the error sorted. I know you had to hard reset but it should be worth it if you travel a lot as the earning potential will make it worth your while.

As for the lack of points, when you log in and click on statistics are you seeing the following....?

Page currently unavailable due to system maintenance. Please check back later.

. # mapped Points

WiFi AP discovered by you: 3 Points

Cell Tower discovered by you: 15 Points

Wifi already mapped: 1 Point

Cell tower already mapped: 2 Points

Tell me more

You have claimed Label rewards

You have Label new rewards available

Each reward will be converted to $15 when redeemed. The funds will be sent to your Paypal account. The Paypal fee in the amount of $0.40 will be deducted.

If so, don't worry as I am getting the same and have been for 24 hours! Your points shouldn't be lost, they just haven't been added to your stats yet :D

As Navizon stated at the top of he page "Page currently unavailable due to system maintenance. Please check back later."

Hopefully they will be up and running properly today :cool:

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Program keeps freezing!!!

I have been using this program for only a few days, and it has frozen up on me about three times already! I have been forced to do a soft reset in order to be able to use my phone again. Of course then all of the APs and Cell's that I collected have disappeared! Is anyone else having this problem? Any way to prevent this?

BTW, Navizon is usually the only program that I have running when I use it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi kcrumbley

Your not having much luck are you! :confused:

Lockups and freezes have been discussed many times in this threads many posts. It seems to be very dependent on the Navizon version, the ROM and the Radio rom that you are running on your phone.

You could try this alternative from Modaco as many people find it more stable. You can use it free of charge to collect Navizon points.

It also offers the option to be warned about speed cameras in the UK (this is a paid feature).

http://www.CamerAware.net/cameraware.cab

I use this myself now as it seems very stable (and the speed camera warnings are saving me fines and points too!)

Let me know how you get on.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Zippyioa, thank you for your quick response! So with cameraware, do I just login with my Navizon info? How is everything sync'd up with my Navizon account? Do I run both together, or does cameraaware replace Navizon?

Also, will the 1 second and 3 second cab files work with camera aware?

Thank you for your time.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
You use Cameraware on its own - it has Navizon API built in so you can log and sync points using Cameraware only - this is how you aovid the Navizon crashes :D

It defaults to 1 second wifi scan time when you load up Cameraware and switches back to 20 second scan time when you stop the program.

Hope that helps.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
CamerAware/Navizon Readings

I have been using CamerAware for the last few days and it works perfectly! I haven't had one crash yet, and my points get updated without a hitch.

I have one question. When I load CamerAware, it usually will show W: 15/15 C: 6/6 (for instance), but sometimes it will read W: 6/15 C: 2/6, why is that?

I know that it is not W: new/total - because it shows 9/9 right now and I am at home (no new apps discovered).

Do you know what this represents?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
It has crashed one too often for me :( This time I ended up doing a hard reset and recover from backups, so have now retired it from use.

Also, for the time being, I am on a static secured route with work which I cannot change, therefore for the time being I won't be using the software. Makes life easier that way ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
You should give CamerAware a try (link is in post #437), when you are able to drive different routes again. It hasn't crashed on me yet - I am even able to run multiple programs while using it (google maps, HTC Audio Manger and others)!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I'm glad you are finding Cameraware much smoother - I rarely find it crashes so have switched to it on a permanent basis myself.

The reading on screen (W: 1/10 C 3/6) is a breakdown of Wifi points (W) and Cell Towers (C)

The FIRST number (before the /) is the session count since the last successful sync.

The SECOND number (after the /) SHOULD be the total since you first connected (i.e. the sum of all the sessions).

"but sometimes it will read W: 6/15 C: 2/6"

In the example you gave you gave - you have found and sync'd 15 wifi points in total this session. Since the last sync you found an additional 6 wifi points (making 21 in total).

You have found 6 cell towers in total this session. Since the last sync you found an additional 2 cell towers (making 8 in total).

Bear in mind that the points you find here are not necessarily new points as far as Navizon are concerned - when you sync 200 points in an are you drive frequently you may only be rewarded for a few of them. If you are in a new area (where you have never been before) you should be rewarded with ALL the points you find.

Hope that makes sense.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] clstan:
Problems getting credit for WiFi found...

But even if you are in an area that has been frequently scanned...it should list those points that have already been found...right? I just went on my lunch break and logged 6 Cell and about 150 WiFi points on my drive. (I've verified on the Navizon map before I left that there weren't any on that route that have been identified.) I get back to the office and do a sync before I shut the program down. I check on the computer when I get back in and my WiFi found by me goes from 87 to 117...Wifi already mapped is now sitting at 22. 117+22=139...nope...nowhere near the 150 of the new/undiscovered route.

HEY NAVIZON ENGINEERS! Are you counting EACH instance of an SSID for the router as a separate router...or counting an SSID ONCE for the entire area? I know that if someone doesn't change the default SSID on the router...you could have a bunch with the same name. How do you differentiate one to another? Is there any way we can view what was actualy captured, what was credited as New Finds, existing finds, and duplicates because I think we are being jipped out of valid points.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi clstan,

You should be rewarded by Navizon as follows:

WiFi AP discovered by you: 3 Points

Cell Tower discovered by you: 15 Points

Wifi already mapped (by another user): 1 Point

Cell tower already mapped (by another user): 2 Points

In your example above it does look like Navizon gave you incorrect points for the 150 wifi points you found. The issue may be that you had already discovered some of them (if they are near your work and you have been there before with Navizon running then it is highly likely that they were already mapped by you. If so, you would not be rewarded for them a second time)

It could be that Navizon have not updated ALL of the points you found. In 4 months of using Navizon I have seen them take varying times to appear on my account - sometimes several hours, sometimes a few days (if they are having server issues :rolleyes:) and on many occassions SOME of my new points appear immediately and others appear later!

You stated above "I verified on the Navizon map before I left that there weren't any on that route that have been identified" - how did you get to this map?

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I don't know exactly how they decide if a wifi AP is old or new but I found this:

http://www.navizon.com/Navizon_wifi_gps_and_cell_tower_positioning.pdf

Pages 15/16 seem to show relevant info?

If you are still not sure your points are being logged properly it may be worth posting in the Navizon forum - I don't think they read here so you wont get much feedback from them unless you post over there! :D

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] clstan:
Go to the Navizon website and login using your UN/PN.

Top of the page select Coverage.

It will now show you an area that (should be) centered on your home position. It will show you just a small random sample of points (Cell & APs) from the area. Zoom in to show more data and to really see what areas have/have not been mapped.

Now as far as my points. I looked at my "main" route that I go from home to work before I left this morning...and there wasn't much of anything there. After I got to work...I synced my data and then by the time I got to my desk and logged in...all those points from this morning were there.

As far as my lunch break (a few posts ago)...I went a completely different route to a restaurant nearby...but far enough from my office to be able to claim a bunch of points. As I said before...I verified before I left that there were little to no points on the route I was going to take...but after I got back...the website only credited me 30 APs of the almost 150 that I found. So I only got around 90 of a possible 450 points (that was if all of them were new APs.)...again it gets back to the coverage map showing nothing in the area.

So where did the rest of my points go?

I'm tempted to find an area on the coverage map that has never had anything discovered in it...drive to the center of the area (with Navizon OFF)...and start capturing in the center of this new area. I would STOP the data capture before I left so that I know I would have no chance of stumbling across one of my points already discovered before. If the numbers captured in my phone don't add up to the new counts on the website then we know that Navizon is cheating us out of points. (And therefore $$$.)

I know it's been discussed before...but I think we really need to SEE the data that we captured. I think we should be able to view the data in our phones (viewing only...we cannot edit nor manualy enter new data to prevent cheating). We also need to have a report on the website (and/or emailed to us) showing the last sync packet statistics...New APs/Cells, Already Discovered by others, and discards (and reason for the discard). I think we also need a way to dispute the discards.

And also in my last post...We need to know how the data is parsed. How does Navizon count APs with similar/same SSIDs nearby (one could be on channel 1...other 11). Does Navizon count them as 1 or 2 APs?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Once you are on that page do you click on the "My Data" link or do you leave it on the "My Coverage" page?

I am fairly certain that the "My Data" option is the one that shows the wifi APS and cell towers YOU have mapped. I am not so sure on the My Coverage page - although to be fair mine does seem to be very similar to my My Data mapped points :confused:

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
:D

All very good questions... people have posted in the Navizon forums about missing points or points not showing up after syncing before.

The reply has always been either "we have a server issue" or "there was a problem with the old Navizon version, have you updated to the latest version?"

Have you checked there are no updates available. If so it will definitely be worth you posting here: http://www.navizon.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1801

Bredita is usually very quick to respond.

Keep me posted how you get on!

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] clstan:
I've been using the "My Coverage" page which I believed to be showing all points mine and others together (this way I know an area wasn't mapped). I did switch it to "My Data" and "Both". The page showed that I had a total of 274 markers.

But if I add up all the points on my rewards page...it only adds up to 151.

Wifi discovered by you.....117

Cell towers discovered by you.....3

Wifi already mapped.....22

Cell towers already mapped.....9

So according to this...the server DID accept my points (showing up in the map)...but I'm not getting credit for it (as shown in the rewards page).

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I did verify that I'm running the latest and greatest version by running the "Check for Updates" button...I am running the version they show as the latest.

I'll work on compiling all this data tonight and post it to the other forums.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] clstan:
Just wanted to let everyone know that I posted my issues to the Navizon Forums..."Missing Rewards...HERE IS PROOF!

Please look through my post...and try it for yourself. See if you run across the same thing...where one screen shows your markers but your rewards don't get credit for it. If it's doing the same to you...post here and on the Navizon site...lets see if they will fix it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi clstan

I would expect that you will get a reply fairly quickly.

As I said above bredita in Navizon support is usually keen to sort these issues quickly.

Almost all of my points appear without problems, but I know I have seen SOME points that I felt I logged in a new area that never appeared in my total. I always put it down to a delay and expect that they did eventually get added, but as it was only a handful I didn't really follow it up!

Fingers crossed you get your issue sorted - keep us posted!

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vcespon:
Working better now

I have switched to Nothrills WWE V3 ROM and it seems to be working better now. I have carried the phone with navizon on for 3 hours several times without it hanging. I'm collecting 1000 - 2000 APs every day and currently I'm number 1 for this month with 80000 points.

At the begining I did not think I could reach this, but I'll have 10 rewards ($150) collected by the end of the month.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Great news. I could never get Navizon to work consistently for me. However, CamerAware is working out great. Are you a truck driver or something?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] clstan:
I'm not having any more problems with the software running. I just question whether I am getting full credit for the markers I find. (Coverage map of "My Data" shows one total...Rewards page shows a different total.)

Have you checked your 2 screens to see if they match?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Well done vcespon - top slot for May (fingers crossed!)

I'm glad to see that Navizon is exceeding your expectations. When you get it right it's such an easy way to make money!!

Now comes the hard part - choosing what to spend the money on!! :D

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi clstan,

I kept an eye on your post in the Navizon help forums and noticed that Bredita replied to you sying it looked like there is an issue. He asked you to contact him with your username so they can investigate.

That was a few days ago - just wondering how you got on. Have they sorted it for you yet?

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Windows Live Conflicts with CamerAware/Navizon

I usually run CamerAware to track my Navizon points while driving (more stable), and I use Google Maps for GPS and the two programs run together without a problem. I recently downloaded Windows Live and I prefer to use that over Google Maps. However, when I run WL together with CamerAware, CamerAware stops picking up Wi-Fi apps and Cell towers.

Does anyone know why this is happening, or has overcome this problem themselves?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I just ran mine together without any problems.

I am running Cameraware version 3.080408 and Live Search v 3.0.3047.24749

Both are set to use Com4 for GPS. I launched Cameraware first and got it to connect. When it had a GPS fix I then started Live Search and chose to find my position using GPS. Once it found me I checked on Cameraware and it was still finding wifi and cell towers.

Check your versions and com ports and see fi that fixes it!?

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
I have the same versions of both programs. However, I had CamerAware set to Com4, and Live Search set to GPS Intermediate Driver (default, I guess). I'll switch Live Search to Com4 and see if this works.

Thanks for your help!!!

PS: Which free GPS program do you prefer? Google, Live Search, or another (I tried nav4all and I didn't like it)?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I prefer Google personally - find its quicker to load maps etc and seems to have more of the things I search for than Live Search.

I use tomtom for navigation (its still the best there is in my view) so I never use the free programs for this.

hope you get it working.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gai-jin:
What does the tomtom software do that google, or live won't?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Tomtom does turn by turn voice directions which I find essential when driving. It also offers traffic in the UK which Google and Live Search dont.

Until they add these options I dont see myself switching to them!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
It's working perfectly now! I think that Google's maps download quicker as well. I guess I really like the little pointer on Live Search better than the green dot on Google. If I could have a pointer/triangle on Google then I would use it more. It helps when I can only look at the screen for 2 seconds!

Is there a way to tell on the Navizon page who signed up with your referral code, and how many points they have?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Yep,

Goto the Navizon homepage, login, then click "Rewards"

You should now see the points you have earned yourself. Below them is the heading "Points from other users" and below this you can see the points earned from referrals with their names.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gai-jin:
Ahh. I can see where turn by turn directions would be useful. I doubt any service will offer traffic where I live, it's not one of the 'major markets'.

Do any GPS programs give an option to show your speed on the screen.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] clstan:
Rewards vs. My Coverage - Fixed!

I did finally get a response from them. It seems that it was a server error. They said that they DO sometimes have discrepancies between the Coverage Maps and the Rewards page...but usually it's very little if any...none to be worried about. But in my case...I almost had 125 markers difference between my rewards and my coverage. (I was shorted 125 markers on my rewards page.)

They did update my rewards page and the markers were about 6 different (more on rewards). I did some driving this weekend and now I have an 11 marker difference (in my favor).

Again for all...check to make sure the server is synced on your scoring.

- Add up all the "# Mapped" on your rewards page and compare it to your "Coverage > My Data" screens. It should give you a pick of random markers shown as well as the total markers it knows you have located.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Tomtom does this (well v6 does) along with a compass showing your direction :D

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I have never noticed this issue myself and I keep a close eye on my syncd points vs those I am rewarded with. There were issues several months ago where nothing was syncing but that was down to a problem in a new build of the software. They released a new one, it went away and its not happened since! :D Perhaps it was just a temporary glitch for you? Fingers crossed.

On a different point - I am having little or no issues with hanging and lockups like I used to. Could be that WM6.1 is the key as it seems to coincide with my switch from WM6.0. Anyone else noticed this?

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Not HUGE news but did anyone else notice tha Navizon have reduced the $0.40 paypal charge to $0.29 in the last week or so?

I remember a few people saying they should reduce it when the $20 reward went down to $15.

While $0.11 is not a massive reduction, it's always nice to earrn more!!

Cheers

Zippyioa