yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TiltedAz:
IMHO, it doesn't negate the underhandedness of this thread. There are several who helped others while not benefiting from the pyramid. At the least, the OP should make a small donation to the forum.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RayB:
I see what you mean. I finally went back and looked at the first post. He buried it in the link without mentioning it at all. meh:rolleyes:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bigdish:
OMG

Can we stop all this !

We are all I hope experienced enough to know when you click on a link there maybe a ref involved.

I have my own account with Navizon but visit this thread to see how people are getting on with the prog.

Good luck to Zip !!

You can get support also from http://www.navizon.com/phpbb2/index.php

r

Andrew
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] soldierbot:
I have made $60 in the past 6 days, using Navizon. Can you please point out additional "underhandedness" threads where I can similarly be used and exploited? :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I don't understand why some people are getting so upset?

As I stated in an earlier post I started this thread to share it with users of the forum who helped me so much, giving them a chance to earn some money too. OK, I earn some referral points if you use my link (which I didn't hide this - it's been commented on in many of the posts within this thread!) By using my referral link YOU dont lose out - Navizon still give you the usual points - so it won't affect you!

I don't usually get drawn into silly arguments but I feel that I need to respond to the negative comments. I just had a quick scan through the MANY posts in this forum - as the person who commented should have done before writing in such a negative way! ;) - I quickly found several quotes that make a mockery of the negativity.....

"I just got another $20. Not bad considering I've been using this software about a month now, and I got paid $40 driving places I was going to anyway"

"I have made $60 in the past 6 days, using Navizon"

"I think Navizon is great. It has earned me 60 $ for doing what I do anyway, in 3 weeks."

"haha and I just cashed in another reward for $19.60 lol. Let the nay-sayers whine about the software. I like making free cash to spend thru my PayPal"

Those comments came from 4 different users (none of them were me) and there are probably many more who feel the same way but don't post! I think this proves that its not a pyramid scheme AND that I am not the only user who is benefitting from it! :cool:

As Bigdish said above "Can we stop all this !" and try to keep posts at a more constructive level in the future?

p.s. Thank you to Jay and Bigdish for the backup btw! :D

Thanks

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] singhnx:
I don't think that his point was in that you're getting referral points, but rather that you didn't come out and state in your first point that you were going to get referral points. There's always been a pretty big thing in this community about people making money off of others without complete transparency. Anytime you stand to make money off of someone, you should say so. (I don't know if you've gone back and edited your first post and now do say so, but when I first say this thread, it wasn't readily apparent).

At least that's my interpretation of it. Does that make sense? You posted a link without being crystal clear that you were standing to make points off of the referral.

I don't have a problem with what you did, but that's because when I placed my cursor over your link, it showed me that you were referring me to the website.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi singhnx,

I can understand your point about being honest regarding the referral points - nobody likes deception! When I started this thread it wasn't my intention to be underhand or to hide anything. I have just updated the first post to reflect the fact that I get referral points if you register with my link.

Thanks for your input.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dagentooboy:
Thanks for the link and the instructions. I am having a problem where if my phone goes into sleep mode and I try to turn in back on with Navizon running it won't come back on. The screen doesn't even light up and if I plug it in the charge light doesn't come on. I am using this ROM

BTW great idea about putting it in your signature as you can see I have done the same thing only with my referral number :) (I got to do what I can)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi dagentooboy,

You could change the setting in Menu>Options>Power Tab. I have mine set to High and this seems to keep the device active so it doesn't go into standby (at which point I guess it also stops finding wifi/cell sites too!?)

As for a fix on the refusal to turn back on, I changed my settings to low adn let it go into standby and it starts up fine. I am using the standard UK T-Mobile MDA Vario III rom though - not tried Duttys ROM so maybe the issue lies there?

Anyone with Dutty's Official WM6.1 5.2.19716 UC RTM had the same issue and know a way round this?

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Barreto:
Hi all!

I signed up yesterday about 10pm local (just 24 hours ago). By the time I got everything set up, I got about 50 points, just for turning the prog on.. Then, I switched SIM cards (I got two more sims from diferent carriers) and I got some more points. After 2 hours of messing around, I had about 100 points.

Today I went and came back from university (50km total) and went out to dinner with my girlfriend (maybe 50km more).

As I arrived home I went to check my navizon account: about 5000 points in only onde day!! :D

I guess I won't earn so many points from now on but, as I live in Portugal, there aren't many cell/ap registered, and I have tree different carriers..

Just hope they really pay out!

One question zippyioa,

If I (a) refer another person (b) and that person refers another (c), will I get a percentage from (c) eranings? Or do I earn only from direct referals?

Thks zippyioa, this is working great for me!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] singhnx:
It certainly wasn't my intention to imply that you were being deceptive. Thank you for not taking offense at what I said and also for editing your first post.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi Barreto,

Glad your liking the software and that your points are building up quickly.

BTW - default on your phone is for wifi to scan every 20 seconds - if you drive a lot with that scan time you miss loads of wifi points - if thats the case make sure you change the Wifi scan time using the excellent cabs posted earlier in this thread by Shogunmark (he has a monkey with a gun as his avatar). Simply copy them to your phone and install by clicking on one with file explorer. The next time you load Navizon the new scan time is in place.

One of them sets your phone to scan wifi every 1 second so you get LOADS of extra points - its a killer on the battery so make sure you use a car charger when you use a 1 sec scan time!

I carry the 1 and 20 sec cabs with me on the phone. That way I install the 1 sec scan time before I drive and the 20 sec before I walk!

As for the referral question - I understand it that you get 20% of all referral poitns so if you - a) refer a friend - b) and b) refers another friend - c) you get the following:

c) collects points

b) gets 20% of c)s points

a) should get 20% of b)s 20%

(I think that a) makes sense and b) is correct :D)

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
You could also use my CamerAware Buddy and have the phone dynamically set the WiFi scan speed depending on how fast you're moving. It also helps you clean up after the Navizon client, and a quick and finger friendly way to kill it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
I had an issue with the software yesterday. I was leaving town on a short day trip. I loaded navizon and clicked Start. About 5 seconds later I got a message saying my username and/or password was not valid. I checked the account info under the Account tab and everything was correct. I closed & re-opened the software, same message. I soft reset the phone, and still no results. Quite sure I was dealing with a server issue I left for my trip. After 30 minutes on the road I didn't have any AP's or towers logged. I pulled over and actually registered a second account, and put that info into my software, and then set it to not auto sync. Once it was properly scanning I then changed my account info back. I was able to login with my original user ID that evening and then uploaded what I found. I think that's a pain that it won't scan & log points if it can't communicate with the server. What happens if you are in an area with no cellular service? Will it not log points?

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dagentooboy:
Mine scans for points without the server and I sync it up at work and at home. The main thing I have had a problem getting started is the GPS sometimes you have to stop and start it a few times to get it going on mine.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi Jay,

In response to your post:

"I got a message saying my username and/or password was not valid. I checked the account info under the Account tab and everything was correct. I closed & re-opened the software, same message. I soft reset the phone, and still no results" I think that Navizon had an issue yesterday. If you look at their forum they had a post about an issue where nobody could login - they resolved it soon after it was reported to them I believe!

"After 30 minutes on the road I didn't have any AP's or towers logged."

Not sure on that one!? Maybe linked to the issue above? Keep an eye on that one and report it if you get it again.

"I pulled over and actually registered a second account, and put that info into my software, and then set it to not auto sync. Once it was properly scanning I then changed my account info back. I was able to login with my original user ID that evening and then uploaded what I found"

I guess this was after Navizon fixed the login issue?

"I think that's a pain that it won't scan & log points if it can't communicate with the server. What happens if you are in an area with no cellular service? Will it not log points?"As far as I know when you collect point but don't sync afterwards (either due to lack of coverage or choosing not to) when you exit Navizon the sites you found SHOULD be logged in a file called BPDNaploc.dat - in the Navizon programs folder.

On restarting Navizon the APs and Cell Tower counters are reset to 0 BUT the sites you found should still be stored in the .dat file. The next time you sync ALL sites that you found should be added to your total (at least thats how I understand it!)

I hope the issue is gone now - let us know!

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
The issue is resolved now, but as I said yesterday it didn't log anything once it determined that my login info was "invalid". I have the 1 second cab installed, so basically it should be constantly scanning WiFi. That 30 minutes that it wasn't logging I did not see any activity on the WiFi icon in the top bar. Once I pulled over and registered a second account it went through. I started a scan, then changed the login info back to my regular login. Hopefully this won't happen again, but I would really appreciate it if they released a more stable application. I've also noticed that if I click "Stop" while its in the middle of a WiFi scan I get the spinning colorwheel of death, and the only way to exit is a soft reset. That's simple enough though, I just wait for the WiFi scan to finish before I click Stop.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bigdish:
Well for the WiFi scan I am using this http://www.modaco.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=23876 Thanks to Nushrike and it works like a dream :)

I have found to stop the "spinning wheel" is not to stop Navizon but exit the application.

Hope this helps.

r

Andrew
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
From a fresh install you probably need to tell it to store the information locally on your PDA rather than sending them over your GPRS link. I've got NoData installed too and i send my data when I get in of an evening.

It stays running with me from 0700 to 1900 or from whatever work hours I have. I managed about 900 APs today and 180 cells. Can be more, can be less. If I was doing more inner city work then it would be more, but I spent most of the time pootling around at speed on primary routes.

If I can't login to 'update' then just leave it for another day. It's not the end of the world, they'll soon sort it :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SHiBBi3:
Got a quick question about sending the data to navizon...

I Don't want to use the GPRS connection to send the data since that will cost me.. so I have turned auto sync off...

But how else can I send the data to Navizon? I don't see an option...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
I thought there was some way of using active sync to upload the data, but since I'm on an unlimited data plan I haven't looked into it.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
You are right Jay - to sync using your home internet connection rather than your phones data you can connect to your PC via Actiesync then open Navizon and choose Menu>Sync

Should work a treat! :D

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Barreto:
12000 points an counting!

That's right! I'v withdrawn my first reward yesterday, and I'm a very happy user.. 10000 points in 4days :)

Got a little disappointed in the exchange to euros, cause I didn't really paid much attencion to the currency.. Just realized I would get a lot less than 20 eur yesterday.. 20 dollars means 14 eur :( But, it has nothing to do with Navizon, cause everything is working great..

I will continue to use it and hoppefully it will pay my montlhy cell phone expenses..

zippyioa: that 1sec cab works great (thks Shogunmark!) Just by going through the same route to the university (about 50km) I found around 300 new AP's :) It's a battery killer (from 100% to 20% in 45min), but I was expecting it to be.. Just ordered a car charger so I can make longer trips..

Regards
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Yeah its a battery killer on the 1 second scan but well worth it when you are in the car so you can charge while you drive and pick up loads of extra points!!

As I said above when I am walking, or on battery power I use the 20 second cab which gets a bit more life out of the battery :D

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SHiBBi3:
check for updates at startup

This is kind of wierd...

Don't know if anyone else is getting this...

under the 'update' tab, I can't uncheck 'Check for updates at startup'

anyone else have this problem?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] myv6mustang:
Got my first reward! Took a trip to atlanta. I made about 5K points in one day in atlanta. Guess you have to get access points over cell towers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I presume you mean you can uncheck it but its checked again after restarting Navizon?

This is an issue that Navizon have promised to fix in a future release.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Great news myv6mustang! :D

5K in one day is always nice - I've had quite a few myself, but sadly I don't have many more coming up....

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Yeah, you get less points for the AP's, but you find a lot more of them.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SHiBBi3:
Got 2k points so far in 1 day... I guess thats ok... long way to go though...

Question about the navizon map tool...

Is it using a data plan to download maps? or is it stored on my kaiser locally?

I have been using navizon with 'work offline' UNCHECKED... I have no idea if this is costing me... I haven't touched any of navizons tools like 'search', 'buddies' and all that stuff... is that the only thing that would cost me data?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi,

As far as I know if you use the maps they will use your data plan and cost you money for data usage.

You can still earn money from this program by mapping Wifi Ap's and CellTowers without using any data. To do this launch Navizon then select Menu>Options>Data, choose Local Database (Premium Feature) in the Locator dropdown and uncheck the "Auto sync daily" box.

Now when you collect points they will be stored until you are ready to sync and upload the points using your home internet connection.

When you get home connect to your PC and use your activesync internet connection to sync your points (run Navizon and choose Menu>Sync).

I hope that helps :)

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi jomo25,

Navizon seem to have resolved the issues with points either not appearing at all or taking several days to appear.

You said in an earlier post that you were enjoying watching the points accumulate and I bet the chance to make money will be even more fun :)

I thought you may appreciate the heads-up so you can enjoy it again! :D

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Yesterday I drove the same route I did last week where Navizon didn't authenticate me, so it refused to search. Up to the point where I got it working again I had found about 800 AP's and 12 towers. I am almost ready to claim a third payout, I think I'm about 2,000 points away. Its going to be harder though as at this point I find very few new sites and AP's on my way to work and around home. Each time I venture outside my town I make sure I run the software, and I try to take a different route each time.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi Jay,

I am sure you are already running the 1 sec wifi cab that Shogunmark posted - if not make sure you do - you'll get loads more points

Also have you tried using it while walking/cycling around areas you have driven previously? You can pick up many more points (although this may not be practical if you drive a long distance to work :p)

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
I am uing the 1 sec cab. however, where I live its not practical to walk or bike anywhere. There's so many cars on the streets that its not safe. I jog at the gym on a treadmill. No chance of getting hit by a car there.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
Normally I use it plugged into power during the day when Wifi/GPS/BT/Phone is scanning/active. However, yesterday I was in a vehicle that only had one standard siggy sockets and 2 euro sockets, so the battery got real low on the PDA and stayed low until an overnight charge despite trying to repeatedly charge it.

I might, at this rate, pickup a spare battery for it. That might be the way to go.....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I normally use Navizon when I am in my car so can charge it.

I have started to do more use on foot or on my bike as I get more points that way and its good for my health!! :D

A second battery is well worth investing in if you are finding that you are running low on juice a lot, if not don't waste your money. I bought a spare for a handset a few years ago, but rarely actually got round to needing it!

Cheers

Zippyioa:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
Indeed. I can ill-afford unwanted toys. Having just done my finances and got them up to date I'm glad I'm the only one I answer too as I'd have to ground myself for spending too much money :(

However, I'm 33rd on Navizon's listings and have had 4 rewards already ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bigdish:
Well I have spent a week in London and the points are there to be made in residential streets - AP's.

35000 !! A lot were already discovered.

Just wander off the main drag and collect.

r

Andrew :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
So you must have rec'd at least $80 off of that then... Not bad...

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
Yep ;) I got the most I've ever seen by leaving it running last week while getting lost in the centre of Birmingham! I think it was about 3000 in the first 2 hours around there, which was impressive but even so.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Makes me wonder what I might find in downtown Washington, DC. Funny thing is I've lived within 50 miles of DC almost my whole life, but I've actually driven downtown less than 10 times. Parking is non-existent, security is high, traffic is terrorible, there's always road construction, and the way the streets are laid out make travel within the city awful.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Sounds like prime Navizon country!! ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Yeah, but I don't think its going to be worth $50 - $60 in gas to drive to DC and back.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Trains, other mass-transit, or real hybrids (@ ~$30/500 miles)?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
It would still cost a fortune. The closest bus stop is about 2 miles away. I can't get a bus to DC directly so I'd have to get a bus to Dulles airport, then get a bus from there to a Metro (subway) station to get to DC. I don't have a Hybrid vehicle either as they are still very expensive. I was looking at the new GMC Hybrid SUV, and that thing is about $50,000. That is about $20,000 over the price of a similarly equipped vehicle with a normal gasoline engine, and it only gets 25% more fuel economy. To me that's not worth $20,000. I am also not putting myself in a subcompact deathtrap. The points to be had in DC will just have to wait...

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I guess it wouldn't make sense to drive that far just to collect points. I live around 90 miles from London so I could easily drive down there to get lots of points BUT it would cost me around £10 in fuel to travel there, then I would need to use another £10 to travel round and collect lots of points, then use another £10 to travel home.

A day trip to London just to collect points would cost me £30 in fuel (plus wear and tear on the car) so I would need to collect at least 30,000 points to get $60 rewards (just under £30) JUST to break even.

If you were nearer to DC (or going there anyway) I guess it would be worth it.

Navizon isn't going to earn you hundreds of pounds if you go out of your way because the fuel costs are just too high (here in the UK 1 litre is now over £1 / 2$).

It is a great way to earn money by picking up points on a journey you were going to do anyway.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Yeah, our fuel costs are rapidly reaching what Europeans have been paying for years. Right now the US national average fuel price for regular unleaded fuel is $3.24/gallon. If I was going to DC anyway I would definately have Navizon running, but a special trip in a vehicle that gets 12 MPG city is not worth it.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] birdheh:
no tracking

My system just downloaded the new version of Navizon. I can hook up wifi and gps but the tracking no longer turns on. Does anyone have the old cab as the new one on the site does not work for me anymore.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Thunder_PC:
No one has set up an XDA group yet on there yet? ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Mine is working fine with the new version of Navizon.

I presume you checked your settings are still correct since the upgrade (account details etc)

Also check that the Update rate for location upload is still set? (Menu>Options>Data)

And goto Menu>Go To Map>Menu>Buddies>Send Location (and make sure its ticked - if not your location won't be sent!)

I can attach an old version if you get stuck - just let me know if you ned it!

If you are still having issues it may be better to post your problem on the Navizon forum so they can investigate it!?

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Is this new version more stable? If so I may upgrade.

-Jay