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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Early signs for me seem to be good. It doesn't seem to hang as much (although I haven't used it that much yet!) and it definitely appears to sync quicker and without errors which is good news.

Will keep you posted if things take a turn for the worst!

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Yeah, I haven't been using the software as much anymore because of stability issues. I figured it wasn't worth it because for the most part I had found all the towers and AP's along my daily drive. I'd say for the past 3 weeks I've only run the software if I went somewhere that I don't go on a daily basis. I'll download the new version and give it a try.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jagr:
how does navizon recognise the hardware that is used to earn the points. is it by the ppc's wifi mac address or sim card? does it mean if i buy a 2nd hand ppc and that guy has used it on navizon and earned all the points in the region that i stay, i cannot earn anymore from that ppc?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
You get a username and password from Navizon and put it into the account tab of the software. You could actually be running several devices using the same account.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jagr:
what i meant was, what if its the same device? what if i bought 2nd hand from someone else who also used navizon on his phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ach2:
As Jay said - just input your account name and password into the navizon software on the ppc and it will overwrite his account details - then all the logged data will go to your account.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
I tried navizon and found that it slowed my phone down, drained the battery even when I verified it wasn't running. It also doesn't like to uninstall, I had to hunt down the rest of the files and manually delete them.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ach2:
I've found that some roms don't like Navizon - mainly wm6.1 roms - and I stopped using Navizon for a while. Since switching to Q-mobile 1.2 rom I've had no problem with Navizon. I use it in my car, with TomTom and also make/recieve calls and don't see any freezes hangs etc... In fact, all round I find this rom great - to the extent that I haven't flashed a rom for nearly 2 weeks, and I used to change up to twice a day.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
yup, it was a 6.1 rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SHiBBi3:
just upgraded to the new version....

really unstable for me.... I am now unable to sync offline... it just says 'requesting download' and just stops....

in addition, it also crashes more often when I press 'stop' than before...jeez... I lost 7000 pts i bet if it didnt save anything when it crashed...

does anyone have the old .cab?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
That seems strange SHiBBi3 - for me the new version seems much more stable - fewer crashes and almost no endless exits!

Can't suggest anything that can help as mine seems fine but as far as your un-synced points go, I remember reading this in an earlier post: "The file that gets uploaded is BPDNaploc.dat and lives in the Navizon programme root. Once you have successfully uploaded it gets deleted. Multiple loggings without syncing just add to the file which gets created the first time you use after a sync. This file survives "crashes" and as it is constantly being updated while you log any points lost would be minimal."

It may be worth you making a backup copy of the BPDNaploc.dat file before you re-install as it SHOULD still have your points stored if they didn't sync! At least that way if it gets overwritten when you re-install the old version of Navizon you can copy the backup to your Navizon program folder and try to sync again.

I have attached an old version for you, I hope it helps.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SHiBBi3:
I am getting the message

'displayed because an optional resource assembly'

Has anybody run into this? Does this warrant a reinstall?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi again S

There is a post here in the Navizon forum about this error message. By the looks of it the cause and fix were never really discovered.

What version of WM and Navizon are you running?

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SHiBBi3:
I am running WM6 and Navizon 3.5.0.2

I managed to sync, but didn't get the rewards...

This update has been very disappointing..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I just spotted this thread on the Navizon forum.

Hopefully your points are delayed - not lost! :rolleyes:

I also found this - might be worth a try if you have experienced the issue SHiBBi3 has had!?

Keep us posted!

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] birdheh:
new version crashes

I have just downloaded the new Navizon version onto my Hermes running 6.1

i have Navizon 3.5.0.4

Teh program loads, Wifi and bluetooth gps both hook up upon start. shortly therafter I get an error and have to quit, having done nothing!.

I have removed program and loaded it into main memory and I get the same problem. I uninstall and put back on card and same problem.

Traveled 200 miles today, and the same tomorrow and can not use it. GPS works fine with all my other mapping programs, it is only Navizon.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi Birdheh,

I had the same problem with the latest update. I noticed a "details" button on the crash page so I copied the text from there (see below) and emailed it to Navizon support. They are looking into it!

Navizon.exe

> ObjectDisposedException

>

> at System.Threading.Timer.throwIfDisposed()

> at System.Threading.Timer.Change(UInt32 dueTime, UInt32 period)

> at System.Threading.Timer.Change(Int32 dueTime, Int32 period)

> at System.Net.HttpWebRequest.startReadWriteTimer()

> at System.Net.HttpWebRequest.ConnectionClient.Read(Byte[] data, Int32 offset, Int32 length)

> at System.Net.HttpReadStream.NetworkRead(Byte[] data, Int32 offset, Int32 length)

> at System.Net.ContentLengthReadStream.doRead(Byte[] data, Int32 offset, Int32 length)

> at System.Net.HttpReadStream.ReadToDrain(Byte[] buffer, Int32 offset, Int32 length)

> at System.Net.HttpReadStream.doClose()

> at System.Net.ContentLengthReadStream.doClose()

> at System.Net.HttpReadStream.Finalize()

In the meantime if you need a reliable, working version to see you through your 200 mile drive can I suggest you try CamerAware?

It has been mentioned earlier in this thread. Its a speed camera warning system (only in the UK I believe) which has been developed by Paul at MoDaCo (who is officially the man!!).

The best thing is that it has Navizon built in and seems to be much more steady and less prone to issues - despite the last Navizon update.

Latest cab is attached.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RikF:
Confused...

Ignore me, I'm an idiot! Problem solved
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi RikF

Navizon uses:

1) Your phones Wifi to find Access Points

2) Your phone to find cell towers

3) Your GPS to find where you are so it can map the access points and cell towers.

As far I understand it none of the above are chargeable or use data.

The position of access points and cell towers is stored in a file which is sent to Navizon using a data connection. By default this is set to sync once per day (at which point it would probably use your cells data connection) however you can disable the auto sync and choose to do it manually - at this point you could use Wifi or an Activesync connection to avoid data charges.

You can stop the auto sync as follows: Menu > Options > Data > Remove the tick from Auto sync daily

Additionally if you are trying to avoid data charges you should also stop Navizon from sending your position using the "Tracker" facility. You can do this by going to Menu ->Go to map -> Buddies -> and remove the tick from Send my location.

That should work fine, but please feel free to ask if you have more questions.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RikF:
It all seems to be working now (the work offline option was what I needed). The reason that I need to make it work offline is the fact that I don't have a data connection on my contract! I tend to use wifi most of the time.

My only other question about the software (other than 'when can I update to the latest version without it crashing!) is how long does it take for the data sync'd to the navizon server to show up? I just did a trial run of a few APs and cell towers in my area and sync'd them up to the server through wifi, but my account page still has a eurovision style 'nil points' on it. Should I give it a while (hours? days?) before I start more troubleshooting?

Thanks for the help
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Newly syncd points normally appear within 30 minutes on my account They sometimes take anywhere up to a few hours to appear I guess it depends if lots of points are being uploaded to the Navizon servers.

I would allow 3-4 hours before giving up on them!

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
I just upgraded to the latest version, and now it runs & starts automatically when the phone soft resets. I had to go to the windows directory and remove the navizon shortcut from the startup directory.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi Jay,

Not had the same issue with this version - I remember that on an older one a good 4 weeks ago.

Did taking it out of startup resolve the problem?

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Yeah, taking the shortcut out of the startup folder stopped it from running on a soft reset. The problem was that the program was starting up and scanning in the background on a soft reset. Happened once and I nearly didn't make it through the day before being able to get back home and charge up again.

I now have a new issue. No points I have synced since I've done this upgrade have been applied to my account. Yesterday I went to a neighborhood that had absolutely nothing plotted, I even zoomed to street level to double check this. After I synced last night my points are still the same, when I click on my data nothing is shown in that neighborhood, but when I view everyone's data curiously enough now there are AP's plotted all the way through that neighborhood with a huge cluster right at the person's house I was visiting. I should have hit my next payout by now as I am only a few hundred points away from that now, but now my points are not showing up.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Update: I again upgraded to the now latest version this morning, then ran some errands. I synched, and the ponts are showing 5 minutes later. It must have been an issue with the client I was using. Its a shame all those points I found the past 2 weeks are gone forever.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi Jay,

Yeah the program going wrong and losing points sucks, but hopefully the sites you found are not too far away from your usual hang outs. If they are quite local for you, at least you can re-discover them and earn the points 2nd time round!? :D

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hakushox:
I wish there was an option to write your findings some format to be stored on your SD. Later it could then be uploaded to the website. Would save us from losing our few discovery data.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
Well, the area that had no AP's logged previously is about 80 miles from home... :( On top of that, now all the points I logged there will be considered "previously found" because they are now showing on the coverage map, but not under the my data map. That's what clued me into the fact that I was not getting points. If I went for a drive along my standard route and collected 300 AP's, and then synchronized and got no points, I figured I already discovered them earlier. Yesterday I went to an area where there were no points found previously, and I still don't have the points... :( I guess I should have upgraded again after I did the last upgrade. Last time (about 10 days ago) I upgraded. Then the very next day after I upgraded I got a message saying that another upgrade was available. Well, I had just upgraded the day before so I ignored it... :(

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
That is annoying - I guess you could contact the Navizon support team to see if they can do anything?

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
This is what Navizon support said in their email response to me today:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dyetheskin:
timing

this takes too long even to get some moolah,by the time i get money i'll probably have a newer device
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
I've been averaging about $20 every 3 weeks, and in my daily driving I generally don't go more than 5-10 miles a day.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi dyetheskin,

If you registered in the last few weeks don't forget that Navizon have had several issues with the last few updates to their program.

There are many posts about the problems - the worst of which meant that points tha you collected were not being uploaded. This seems to have been resolved now, but certainly wouldn't have helped you with collecting points :D

To help you collect more points have you changed the wifi scan time yet?

By default it scans every 20 seconds which misses LOADS of points, especially if you are driving.

There are several cabs attached that change the scan time from 1 to 20 seconds (thanks again to Shogunmark!!) This makes a HUGE difference on the points you find but bear in mind that the 1 second cab will eat through battery - definitely best to use a car charger with this one!!

Please feel free to ask if you have any questions!

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
One thing to note. I just noticed today that it says that rewards payments are now $15 instead of $20... :( Lucky I just got a payment in earlier this week for $20. I used it to buy an internal Bluetooth card for my new laptop. ($20 + shipping from Dell)

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
They posted it last week, but then took it down again so I thought they decided to stick with $20. Looks like they changed their minds again :mad:

This may put some people off, but I am sure they are reducing it for a reason. If most people are mapping and earning money from them, and not enough people are buying the premium software to give them the revenue back again, I guess they have to do something!?

I would rather see a slight reduction in reward payment and keep getting paid than see my rewards go totally! :) I still see it as money for (almost) nothing!

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
Whats the difference that Premium gives?!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RayB:
Ya, I had a giggle about the 15 bucks when I noticed it this afternoon. Maybe for twenty it was worth babysitting my phone, well just barely, but for 15 when the thing crashes consitently?? By the time you catch your phone not collecting you have missed all the points you would of gotten.

I just dont know. I would buy the premium if I did not have to reset so much. The blackberry version does not even see the phone on my bb, I thought I would give it a try but obviously cant with that issue.

meh:cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RayB:
To think of it. I would like to know if anyone in this thread/forum has a stable running copy on whatever ROM they are using. If so, please do share?? For example, today walking from one of my stations It crashed 3 times in 25 mins after collecting about 150 points each time. This is on Duttys most recent April 9th ROM. I have a coworker running it on a Win 6 Kaiser and he is having the exact same issues so it is not ROM related.

Any stable builds we can mirror?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
I'm running the stock ROM on a Kaiser without crashing. The phone manages to run fine for days at a time if necessary. I need to keep it 'slid open' merely to cool the sucker as it gets so hot, but it does it's job.

You want to have a look at other software that is running on your PDA...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
I downloaded the latest version of Navizon last week and the software has been very stable (Finally!) I am using the most current official AT&T ROM minus the bloatware.

Rewards going to $15 is a dissapointment, but I will still use the software. I have received 3 payments so far. $60 Ebay shopping money just for running the software while I go about my regular business. I really can't complain about that. With my rewards I bought 2 vintage landline telephones for my collection, and an internal Bluetooth card for my new laptop.

Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RayB:
Thanks guys,

Ya, I thought it may be other software as well but have tried many configs, even with just navizon alone installed with nothing else. Mind you, the last time I tried it on stock ROM that came with my phone was 1.5 months ago.

Perhaps a flash of the original HTC ROM back to 6 and just navizon to test the theory is called for. The only thing I worry about is that my co worker is using that build with issues also, but then again his is a Japanese OS so there is a little difference.

I will report back on my progress.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
I'm using the latest stock AT&T ROM released about 2 months ago. Details are in my signature.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
It's too bad they still haven't fixed the bug where the program doesn't really quit,but leaves a 2MB zombie program in ram for a while.

I've noticed that WM6.1's GPS setup is much stabler than 6.0, and can tolerate whatever Navizon puts it through without locking up the GPS interface. Used to have to reboot after running Navizon, without kill protection, but WM6.1 makes it fairly stable now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RayB:
Well,

I tried just a base dutty ROM 6.1 WinMobile with nothing but Navizon installed, worked for about 1 hour then consistent crashing, about 6 times in 40 mins.

Then tried a Winmobile 6 stock HTC ROM on the way home from work with very similar results. Ran for about 60 to 80 mins, then consistent rebooting required to get it to keep counting network points etc.

So the only thing I am seeing is that it runs smooth for about an hour or just over. Could this be an overheating issue. I did not think it would be a problem as I am running full power mode but scanning while cycling so there is always a nice breeze cooling off the unit.

shrug.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
We all have bad days :(

I've just managed a 12h shift at work with it running constantly. It has been doing other things as well such as running Navigon SatNav and occasionally Memory Map today too...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
I'm also running Dutty 6.1 19209 with bunches of other apps installed. Mine is wrapped in a Seidio case so it might not get to run as cool as a naked Kaiser.

I've been able to run it walking around a mall for an hour, drive somewhere else for another hour (powered by car DC), go some places grocery shopping, and then left on overnight.

I usually stop it between each of those trips with my CamerAware Buddy wrapper (not sure if this makes a diff besides killing zombies), but I've haven't had to reboot to keep it working the next time like I used to.

A test I used to do to instantly test stability was the run Navizon and then run Garmin. Used to freeze but not anymore.

My setup: AGPS is off, comm speed set to 9600bps for each app (Navizon, CamerAware, Garmin, GPSTool, VisualGPSce) while the control panel is left at 4800bps.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RayB:
NuShrike,

Thanks for that. Do you also let Navizon manage the power for the wireless. I do, and set it to high. I have tried camera buddy with earlier beta versions of Navizon but was still getting crashing. Now I try using the shogun cabs in this thread instead of having to use that.

I will reflash to dutties, mimick your settings and see what I get.

Thanks,
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
On Valentine's day I was delivering flowers in my pickup truck for a friend who owned a florist. I had the Tilt in my Brodit charging cradle all day long, and I had Navizon running on a 1 second scan and TomTom Navigator 6 both running. I did notice the phone getting warm after about 2 hours, so I took the back off the phone while in the cradle. This seemed to keep it cool enough.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Tec1106:
Ok :) Apologies

But there is one question, though. How does these people afford to pay out that kind of money to people? Imagine 100.000 users. That's alot of money in a year :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Tec1106:
Ok :) Apologies

But there is one question, though. How does these people afford to pay out that kind of money to people? Imagine 100.000 users. That's alot of money in a year :)

Huh? Double posting? :s Strange. How does one delete an message?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
You are welcome Woof. Its still early days for me but I am on 1200 points after just 2 days of very light use - I hope it works out for you!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] smuook:
My question is where does all this infomation go (towers and wifi spots) and what is it being used for? Is this program giving the information back to the company? If it seems too good to be true it probably is. They are probably using you to collect this data for some larger purpose. I'm a little skeptical of "good" deals like this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] austinsnyc:
I didnt know this WAS now the place to pitch your software???
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
That is a hell of a lot of money - I hadn't really given that much thought.

I found this on their site: http://www.navizon.com/Navizon_wifi_gps_and_cell_tower_positioning.pdf

Didn't read much of it but the bits I scanned seem to say that they see GPS as an option for navigating, however they see a future use for WiFi and GSM to fill in the GPS gaps (like inside buildings/shopping malls where GPS doesnt work)

They are using our info to map a network of APs and cell towers so non GPS handsets can use that network to navigate with them in these non-GPS areas.

I guess they could also make money by selling advertising for shops. They would know where a person was so could send them a message when they were near a store advertising a special offer to get them to go inside - the store would pay to get the increased footfall.

Like you said they will be paying some decent money for our info so they must see a value in the future!?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Ttblondey:
worldly use

I would like to know whether it is for worldly use if we register or for just countries that they are in.Because i live in Singapore.

Thanks

Ttblondey
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I just looked on the groups section of my Navizon page and found a link to a map showing where the users were last seen.

I have attached a map showing users that have ticked to show their location - theres probably many more who hide themselves, but as you can see people are all over the world including several in Singapore so it should work fine for you.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tyeo098:
So what you're saying is that we're helping a company spam us based on out GPS location?

Thats weak man.

I dont want spam messages, and dont say its not spam, because if its unwanted, its SPiced hAM
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sendaris:
If your phone dosn't have GPS and you sign up to use navizon as a "gps"/location service they charge you a fee, which I assume combined with advertising covers paying their GPS users for mapping their networks for them.