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[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Deleted member 3020814:
I'm trying to get this to work with no luck. The post you linked mentions shorting the data pins and making sure you have power when you plug the connector into the tablet, then pulling the data pin short after half a second. I tried several levels of resistance from 40k ohm to about 75k ohm with no luck. Unfortunately I couldn't get closer than ~5k ohms away. I tried stock and lineage versions with no luck. I can make OTG work but I can't get both at the same time. I'm also weary about the buying the simulcharge since no place has sold them in years and they mention only older stock FW. Not sure how well it will work without the software support. Anyway in the slight chance you see this I'd like to get more info on how you made the setup work in terms of HW and SW.

Edit: Found the rest of my resistors. Got it to 64.9 also tried +/- 100 and +/- 1k with no luck.
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SubnormalNebula:
So I wasn’t able to reproduce the above results myself, I’m to sure what I did to get it to work. I did, however, get it to work by activating “lan hub” mode after messing around for a while. I think the resistance for it was around 110k ohms, but I may need to double check that.

I made a cable with that resistance across pin 4 & 5 and it seems to charge. As far as I can tell it’s only a slow charge (max 1A) so it may need a kernel modification to charge at 2A.
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Deleted member 3020814:
Awesome thanks for your help. I finally got it. 136k (2x68k resistors) ohms across the 4-5 pins. Didn't need to short the data pins. On this stock based rom. I'll have to check the Lineage rom I was using tomorrow. The only downside it that it requires power for the OTG to work in this mode vs a hard short which will allow OTG to run on battery. Not a huge deal though I can easily work around this with some relays. Charge does appear to be at ~1 amp (I only tried for a few minutes) which isn't a huge deal. I don't mind if it loses a bit of charge with heavy usage I just want it to have at least some charging.
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] User848:
Any other manufacture devices support this (some Chinese devices, like Xiaomi)?
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] User848:
Does Samsung Galaxy Tab A 7.0 support OTG+Charging at the same time?
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Palima:
I saw some custom Chinese tablets' builds that could support Host/OTG while charging, but they were not from major brands like Xiaomi. I also tested Lenovo Tab 4, and this tablet also supports this mode. Of course, we're only referring here to Micro USB tablets as USB-C tablets have a different methodology of supporting this functionality.
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] poniedzialek1:
Helo,

I want to dig up that topic because I found tablet meeting my specifications, Kruger&Matz 7" EAGLE 702 (USB C!, LTE, radio, mini jack)

So I would like to ask will it work if I use HUB USB C to 4 x USB 3.0, one USB3.0 as tablet power and rest of usb's as data connections. Or should I buy USB C Splitter (USB C to 2x USB C)

Would be great if first option will be working because it have external power supply.
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] solidxsnake13224:
For anyone still looking into this again, the correct value for the Tab S2 SM-T713 (gts28vewifi) for OTG + Charge with the stock kernel (tested on LineageOS 16 and 17 for me) is 121k. This will set the device to a cable type of "UNIVERSAL_MMDOCK" which allows OTG as well as fast charging, up to 2.1A. Found in muic.h in the samsung kernel source:

/* MUIC ADC table */
typedef enum {
ADC_GND	= 0x00,
ADC_SEND_END	= 0x01, /* 0x00001 2K ohm */
ADC_REMOTE_S11	= 0x0c, /* 0x01100 20.5K ohm */
ADC_REMOTE_S12	= 0x0d, /* 0x01101 24.07K ohm */
ADC_RESERVED_VZW	= 0x0e, /* 0x01110 28.7K ohm */
ADC_INCOMPATIBLE_VZW	= 0x0f, /* 0x01111 34K ohm */
ADC_SMARTDOCK	= 0x10, /* 0x10000 40.2K ohm */
ADC_HMT	= 0x11, /* 0x10001 49.9K ohm */
ADC_AUDIODOCK	= 0x12, /* 0x10010 64.9K ohm */
ADC_USB_LANHUB	= 0x13, /* 0x10011 80.07K ohm */
ADC_CHARGING_CABLE	= 0x14,	/* 0x10100 102K ohm */
[B]	ADC_UNIVERSAL_MMDOCK	= 0x15, /* 0x10101 121K ohm */[/B]
ADC_UART_CABLE	= 0x16, /* 0x10110 150K ohm */
ADC_CEA936ATYPE1_CHG	= 0x17,	/* 0x10111 200K ohm */
ADC_JIG_USB_OFF	= 0x18, /* 0x11000 255K ohm */
ADC_JIG_USB_ON	= 0x19, /* 0x11001 301K ohm */
ADC_DESKDOCK	= 0x1a, /* 0x11010 365K ohm */
ADC_CEA936ATYPE2_CHG	= 0x1b, /* 0x11011 442K ohm */
ADC_JIG_UART_OFF	= 0x1c, /* 0x11100 523K ohm */
ADC_JIG_UART_ON	= 0x1d, /* 0x11101 619K ohm */
ADC_AUDIOMODE_W_REMOTE	= 0x1e, /* 0x11110 1000K ohm */
ADC_OPEN	= 0x1f,
ADC_OPEN_219	= 0xfb, /* ADC open or 219.3K ohm */
ADC_219	= 0xfc, /* ADC open or 219.3K ohm */

ADC_UNDEFINED	= 0xfd, /* Undefied range */
ADC_DONTCARE	= 0xfe, /* ADC don't care for MHL */
ADC_ERROR	= 0xff, /* ADC value read error */
} muic_adc_t;
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alex_465:
Thanks a million! Worked like a charm on Galaxy Tab S2 (SM-T813) with stock rom.
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Baso_1990:
hey everyone i have samsung galaxy tab a 2016 (SM-T585) android 8.1

can this device get usb host + charging?

planning to install it as my car stereo.
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CCooperTech:
Me too, exactly this set-up, same model year etc, its going into a 350Z.

According to Workshop twelve you can do it.

OTG/USB/Charge/HUB…. WTF?!?!? | Workshop 12 (workshoptwelve.com)

The 100K quoted is not working for me.

However I have tried 100K, 121K, 64K 65.9K 40K, 88K 89K all with no success so far.

The Lava simulcharge is not available in the UK, and to import it (on a chance it wont work) is costing over £100, I am reluctant to spend this on a chance.
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CCooperTech:
Samsung SM-T585 wired to a Suyama Hub (De-Soldered the USB Micro lead and soldered my own new one in)

SUYAMA USB OTG Adapter for TV Stick 4K, All-New TV: AmazonSmile: Electronics

With power into the hub and a new Micro USB lead with 87.5K resistor between Gnd and sensor pins.

This now charges and provides 4 USB OTG ports.
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Baso_1990:
will try it with 87.5k thanks
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Baso_1990:
Y otg cable (replaced 4 pin micro usb connector with 5 pin micro usb connector) + 68k + 20k gives fast charging and data commuincation on Galaxy Tab A 2016 (SM-T585) solved. thanks for help
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Baso_1990:
hi again...since sm-t585 is too big for my dashboard im trying to fit something smaller.

i have sm-t230nw sitting in my drawer so im trying to do the same thing like with sm-t585 - otg host + charging.

tried many resistor combinations but still no luck.

i can get only charging or only otg if i short ID and GND pin.

does anyone have info for this or similar tablet how to get it to work.

any info is welcome.
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rubenzambrano:
Hi!

I have this samsung tablet Active 2 (SM-T390) with a USB C OTG cable (CC1 to GNG with a 5K1 resistor) but it only works the OTG. Does this tablet supports OTG and charging simultaneos?
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smnc:
For USB-C devices like the SM-T390 you don't need (and shouldn't try to use) the resistor method, you can just buy any USB-C dock or hub with power pass-though.

The USB type-C connector doesn't even have an ID pin to short with the Ground pin like a micro-A or micro-B connector does.

USB-C devices don't use USB On-The-GO (OTG) like the older devices discussed here, instead they use something called Dual-Role-Mode/Dual-Role-Devices (DRD).

Whereas USB-OTG host/client was determined by hardware; DRD uses context to determine the host/client devices, which needs to be implemented in firmware/software/logic.
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] veggav:
Does anyone know the resistor value for the Samsung Galaxy Tab S (SM-T800)?

Tried 68k, 136k, 100k, 50k, I can get it to charge but not OTG.
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Qwaks9317:
Hi, im actually trying to do the same thing that yall but i dont understand how to apply your technic. what does i have to do to charge and use otg simultaneously? Thanks a lot
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mbquartiano:
Hi!

For those searching a cheaper tablet than the Samsungs, the Lenovo tab m8 (hd) supports OTG and charging at the same time:

mine is the tb-8505fs (wifi only); there's also a Lte version available (tb-8505x) but I can't say if it's the same.

Cheers

Daniel
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jmxda21:
On my fusion tablet it will only charge ans use usb together fior a few seconds at same time when resistance is bewtwen 45k and 68k , then it either either just charges or uses usb, (android 9 with usb default option is charging)
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RGeB:
I can confirm that 120kohms works for Tab S2 (TM-713) running stock Samsung Andoid 7.0 (build NRD90M.T713XXS2BTK4). Thanks solidxsnake13224!

One thing to point out is that When the 121 kΩ ID resistance triggers ADC_UNIVERSAL_MMDOCK mode, the Tab S2 charges from the micro-USB port and simultaneously provides OTG data; but it does not send power from the tablet to the USB device when external power is cut. This is good for me (80 mA drain into an idle OBD reader would otherwise soon exhaust the Tab-S2 battery), but it may not suit everyone (some folks want the music to continue after the car is turned off).

Does anyone have (or can link) a description of all the features of each muic ADC mode?
[Galaxy Tab S2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RGeB:
The same OTG-power splitter does not work for a Lenono M8 (no OTG data), so I guess that Lenovo has not used the Samsung muic modes in its Android kernel.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] London luke:
thats what vodaphone Uk give me (shame they dont offer a larger amount !)

for emails (very small and about 3 a day etc what sort of Mb's will i use a month .Might use the Internet for 10 mins a day also
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] murphdsurf:
Hello all,

Pixel XL user here running the Beta 7.1.2 and for the past couple of weeks I've noticed that some emails don't fit to screen (even though I've enabled it in Gmail settings).

But when I try my Google inbox on the same device I can view the same email in the screen.

I've tried going to the app and clearing the app cache (under apps setting)

Any ideas or does anyone else notice the same issue??
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] Fikiish:
Same deal here on an s8+
[Moto Maxx Android Development] Debuffer:
Downloading... Feedback soon.
[Moto Maxx Android Development] Romullo Sousa:
:o
[Moto Maxx Android Development] albertogrim:
New ROM!!!, download.....

Enviado desde mi Moto MAXX mediante Tapatalk
[Moto Maxx Android Development] Scrluiz:
FINALLY!! best ROM I've ever tested!

Let's see how it works as a (UN)official ROM.
[Moto Maxx Android Development] Romullo Sousa:
Cool
[Moto Maxx Android Development] Hlcpereira:
Taking a look. Hoping to stay in level of AEX. :D
[Moto Maxx Android Development] Unusualfire:
why work 4 kernels always? how to fix?
[Moto Maxx Android Development] DRossigalli:
Downloading it now. I'll post some feedback after some tests and a day of casual use. Looks promising!
[Moto Maxx Android Development] lazlow_og:
Can you just provide the kernel of this rom?

By creating a flashable kernel if possible??

Just saw 'CAF' on the kernel tree of our device, thought of giving it a try...
[Moto Maxx Android Development] ChazzMatt:
Until proven otherwise I would tend to believe it's the exact same kernel used in all the Quark ROMs, which is now coded by [MENTION=5747496]bhb27[/MENTION]. He has a "stock" kernel he uses in RR 7.x and crDroid and a standalone "custom" kernel with more options.

All the other ROM devs have been using his "stock" kernel -- which was started by official CM dev [MENTION=2228410]Skrilax_CZ[/MENTION] with CM12, 12.1 and CM13. [MENTION=5747496]bhb27[/MENTION] has effectively taken over the kernel work to make a Quark kernel that can be used in Quark ROMs.

I may be wrong that there's nothing different about the kernel in this ROM -- but until now all Quark ROMs for the past two years (since March 2014) only exist because [MENTION=2228410]Skrilax_CZ[/MENTION] adapted the Motorola kernel sources to work with CM (now LOS). Then [MENTION=5747496]bhb27[/MENTION] took over that work and has continued to request Motorola kernel sources for Quark. All custom Quark ROMs (which work with ALL Quarks) have always used the same kernel, based on CM tree (now LOS). (CF's Verizon stock-based ROM for the XT1254 does not work with XT1225 because it does not use this "universal" Quark kernel.)

I really don't think the dev for this ROM has done anything different to the CM/LOS kernel except run commands to make it work for this ROM. No offense, ROM work is different from kernel work. This can be a GREAT ROM while still using the same kernel all the other Quark ROMs use.
[Moto Maxx Android Development] Romullo Sousa:
Thanks brother .. yes regarding kerne of ROm yes we use base kernel made by the team cm / los .. I do not bring any modification in the kernel regarding the bhb ... even because who is master in that area and [MENTION=5747496]bhb27[/MENTION]! The kernel that I use but a base kernel of the team quark cm / os that with some modifications caf ... I just did not use the bhb mod kernel as an option!O
[Moto Maxx Android Development] ankurcshah:
I am not able to get root access to this rom, how do I sort that out?
[Moto Maxx Android Development] Debuffer:
Flash supersu or magisk
[Moto Maxx Android Development] DRossigalli:
You need to flash SuperSU
[Moto Maxx Android Development] newbe1droidx:
I just turned it on in developer options
[Moto Maxx Android Development] Tode29:
The Wi-fi tethering is not working. When enabling it, it says "Error" in the hotspot name.
[Moto Maxx Android Development] Scrluiz:
Camera isn't working.

By the way, I'm using Moto G5+ Camera but could you fix it in next update? thanks bro and good luck! :)

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it depends of Dev Marsh, otherwise, bhb27's kernel has a lotta options, maybe next update we can see more governors, who knows... ;)
[Moto Maxx Android Development] Romullo Sousa:
This messing up the issue of the kernel used in my ROMs! I want to leave of course I'm not working in the kernel because it does not have "need" as [MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION] spoke using kernel stock .. the kernel work and different from the ROM as he spoke ... I think I would not need to start some work Specific in the kernel since [MENTION=5747496]bhb27[/MENTION] has elevated it to a nice level .. our kernel is simply "****" thanks to [MENTION=5747496]bhb27[/MENTION] .. i work the bhb rom the kernel we use it all in a beautiful sync for all dev and users .. .
[Moto Maxx Android Development] ChazzMatt:
Thank you for clarifying yet again that you don't do dev work on the kernel -- you try to make the ROM as good as possible. ROM work is different from kernel work. You can have a GREAT ROM while still using the same kernel the other Quark ROMs use.

I've corrected/educated -- whatever you want to call it [MENTION=7287518]Scrluiz[/MENTION]

again

and

again

about this -- and he doesn't seem to want to understand....

[MENTION=7287518]Scrluiz[/MENTION], see all these Nougat Quark ROMs below? They all use the SAME kernel. The exact same kernel. Who coded it? [MENTION=5747496]bhb27[/MENTION]. It's the "stock" Quark kernel used in the CM/LOS tree. [MENTION=2228410]Skrilax_CZ[/MENTION] the CM dev started the kernel work for Quark ROMs and now it's been continued by [MENTION=5747496]bhb27[/MENTION].

[MENTION=5747496]bhb27[/MENTION] also has a

standalone "advanced" kernel

he develops, which you can download and install in any of these ROMs. It has more governors, more I/O choices, more hotplugs, etc. Personally, I run the "stock" kernel found in all the ROMs -- but BOTH are coded by [MENTION=5747496]bhb27[/MENTION].

[MENTION=8166511]Dev Marsh[/MENTION] maintains two of these ROMs below (the top two on the list actually, as they are the newest). The improvements and differences he puts in may make you like them better than another ROM on this list. The CM/LOS ROM (further down) for instance will have less options than RR (also further down). Some people actually LIKE less option -- less choices to deal with. Some people like a more "basic" ROM. Whereas others want the kitchen sink thrown in (American slang for "everything"), so they can customize their ROM completely. I'm sure [MENTION=8166511]Dev Marsh[/MENTION] has his own development signature for his ROMs, things to make his ROMs stand out.

[ROM][7.1.1]All Quarks][UNOFFICIAL][OMS] Cosmic OS for Moto MAXX]

[ROM][All Quarks][7.1.1_r25][OFFICIAL] AospExtended ROM V3.3 [OMS/DUI]

[ROM][All Quark][7.x] Resurrection Remix

[ROM][UNOFFICIAL]AOKP 7.x For All Quark

[ROM][Quarks][LOS/CM 14.1 Unofficial][7.1.x][2016-12-30] (hybrid of CM14 and Resurrection Remix)

[ROM][7.1][All quark] crDroid Android

But guess what is IDENTICAL about every one of these Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo/Droid Turbo ROMs above? The kernel. The ROMs are all different, try them and find a favorite -- but any differences will be due to ROM features or dev choices, not anything related to the kernel.
[Moto Maxx Android Development] ceelos218:
Im getting a System UI has stopped after installing the rom fresh.. wiped data/cache/dalvik/rom, etc.. only stops after i try setting up pattern lock.
[Moto Maxx Android Development] mackyd:
Back camera does not capture photos with dual flash just blinks for single shot and camera failed with media
[Moto Maxx Android Development] Romullo Sousa:
I will be releasing update this week running some bugs.
[Moto Maxx Android Development] gimpy1:
I just found this Rom the other day. The download in the OP is from April 11. Have you released/updated the Rom reference your above post on May 5? Nice Rom

?.
[Moto Maxx Android Development] Meruem:
I have two questions:

Does Ambient Display works in this room ?

Which one is better to daily use, this one or Resurrection Remix ?
[Moto Maxx Android Development] gimpy1:
I use them both, along with a couple more. I do think that ambient display does work, but I am not using this Rom at the moment. I think you turn it on in both the display and also the gestures settings. It's a personal choice as to which is better. I keep waiting for an update from dev marsh, but, I think he lost his phone which might be affecting the updates. Not sure about that.

But, he has put out two really good roms (I use both). This one and AEX. I hope he keeps them both updated.
[Moto Maxx Android Development] Hlcpereira:
So no more updates right? Or will you get back with CosmicOS for Quark? :confused:
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] zeon22:
Samsung has started releasing official nougat to tab s2 and most of you have already flashed the images. Some have nougat on their for device for almost a week. I would really like to know their view points on this update. Like battery life, wifi/bluetooth connectivity, stability, features etc.

Share your likes and dislikes coming from marshmallow build, or anything you would like to share . :good:
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] fre78:
I flashed Stock Nougat on my SM-T810.

I can be wrong - still testing - but I have the impression that wifi connection is not that stable as it was when I used Lollipop Stock (I've never used marshmallow).

I'm experiencing wifi drops from time to time.

edit:

actually, there is no problem with wifi. After some testing, I found out that it's the 'optimize battery usage' that was restricting some functionality of my syncing app. After I disabled it, it's all working very well now.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Θοδωρής:
Guys please help. When I flash the nougat from odin on my device (t815) stuck in the last step. In odin says something for "radio" and then it says error. Can someone help me? I can install easy the Mm via odin but I cant in nougat

Im not root
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ivanox1972:
same error
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Ather:
Use Odin v3.12 for nougat updates
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Θοδωρής:
Yeah same error with odin 3.12
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ivanox1972:
I used newest. Few dayz ago updated friends t715 with same odi without problems. It is something about sequence of partitions, I think I have read something about it time ago. Remember as through fog, as we say here... I am sure someone has solition.

---------- Post added at 09:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:31 PM ----------

Friend, if yoi have time, download on sammobile also 6.01 for UAE and try. I not have time. I afraid you will be unable to flash even uae 601. If success, try ota or odin uae 7.0
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Znil:
The battery seems to drain a lot faster than on 6.0.1, I disabled location and debloated A LOT but it still seems to lose 5% per hour overnight with a lot of wakelocks and Android-System and Kernel seem to use a lot of battery.

Battety stats are a bit hidden in the settings so I use GSam Battery Monitor.

After some tests it looks like the WI-FI is waking the device.. When I'm not connected to WI-FI I lose almost no battery. Maybe it has something to do with the 5Ghz channel? Still trying to figure this out.

Playstore also seems to lag the device while updating apps, this I didnt experience on MM.

Automatic brightness changes too drastic, and sometimes it deels like the screen is not bright enough

I didnt test Bluetooth and location yet.

Other than that everything 's fine and I like the new nougat features.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ivanox1972:
friend, I have not time today, busy on job.

try this, read first and second post. problem is same as our and solution

https://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s6-edge/help/odin-fail-hidden-img-t3154903

or this

http://www.droidviews.com/fixing-odin-firmware-installation-failed-at-hidden-img-issue-on-samsung/

[MENTION=494193]Ather[/MENTION] what do you think boss, about this
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] zeon22:
Did you try factory reset? It usually take care of some issues.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Znil:
No I didn't. But I flashed the update manually so it was a clean install. Then I rooted, restored my apps using TiBu, debloated and wiped dalvik and cache.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Θοδωρής:
Man I think its not the same.. stuck after modem.bin. and before hidden.img

So i think is something wrong with the modem.bin file idk.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ivanox1972:
If like this, definitely. I have not seen on which point my fail...

Maybe you can try to download and flash XSG (emirates 6.0.1 rom), and try ota or odin over it...
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Θοδωρής:
Ok I will try anything today and If I find something I will reply
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] zeon22:
Thanks to [MENTION=4014506]ksr007[/MENTION] I was able to flash T815 nougat fimware to my T815Y(system & kernel to be exact). And just so you know doing this specifically will trigger knox. Anyways so far the nougat look really neat. Battery backup so far seems to me same as that on marshmallow. Wifi 5g and bluetooth are working well. I would like to tell you while I was optimizing my settings and all I found that my settings app became laggy. I was surprised that this happened to me, since I had just kinda installed official firmware in a way, what I found out later that I had disabled "print spooler" app in setting and enabling it fixed it. I can still reproduce this issue any time . Maybe its a bug or its just me idk. But overall the os is smooth as mm for me. Setting app and many more which earlier didn't had split/pop-up mode supports them now, thanks to nougat. I'll see how this performs before I root/modify it.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Θοδωρής:
Hey I find the solution

First on your pc extract any file from the nougat filmware with 7-zip

Then follow this guide to convert files from img to md5-tar

https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2446269

And just flash any file one by one via Odin..

Just don't install the hidden.img file. (Idk why this file needed) I hope someone from here tell us