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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Have you installed to the phone memory or the memory card?

When mine was on the memory card I had odd issues like this.

If it is on the phone memory you could try uninstalling, soft resetting and reinstalling? Worth a try!?

Keep us posted

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi odm420,

Glad you like it. With points like that on your first day you should do well.

To really maximise the points you find check out my post here

Any questions please ask.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi kcrumbley,

Don't know if you fixed it yet, but you could try Cameraware - I should have suggested it earlier - sorry :o.

It was created by Paul at Modaco and is a very stable client that runs Navizon in the background.

It has an additional bonus for UK users of adding a one time payment to have static speed camera warning.

People having issues with Navizon crashing or not running properly (like your standby issue) have often found that Cameaware is much better.

You can find the installer as an attachment on one of my earlier posts in this thread here

I hope that helps.

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Actually, I was using CamerAware exclusively until I found that it was not compatible with iGO8. I made a few posts here about it, but we weren't able to come up with a solution. So I use CamerAware with Live Search and Google Maps and Navizon with iGO. This is where I run into the problems.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Sorry, I forgot that series of posts - we didn't get anywhere did we.

So you are finding that Cameraware and Igo8 don't play together and if you use Navizon instead of Cameraware your device goes into standby?

I don't use Igo8 so can't test it, however I have read other forums about Igo8 taking over other programs. I currently use Cameraware and Tomtom which work perfectly together. In the last few weeks I have driven hundreds of miles with both running together and not had a single crash. The points I found have put me number 2 in the stats for the month (if I stay there it will be the first time for me so fingers crossed!)

If you drive or walk in enough new areas (and they are highly populated) maybe you should consider investing in Tomtom to get more Navizon points (they will pay for you investment if you get enough points!)

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Well since I can't make it in the top three, I'll cross my fingers for you! ;)

When using Navizon with iG0 (or Google & Live Search), the device won't go into standby because of the other GPS program running. However, if I only have Navizon running it goes into standby. I actually tried to use the Navizon map, but I had to keep tapping the screen every few seconds to keep it bright and to keep the phone awake. Most of the time that I run another GPS program, it is just so I can get an overview of the area and to create a "plan of attack". I don't want to keep two programs running when Navizon should be able to do both (since it includes a map).

Thanks for your help with this!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Did you get anywhere with this?

If not, what ROM are you running - maybe that is related??

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
No, I'm still having the same trouble. I tried changing every setting that I could think of but nothing helped.

I'm running the stock AT&T ROM for now, but I plan to flash one of Kareem's RevROMs soon.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MikesDroid:
Just downlaoded (with your referral), took a walk LITERALLY around the block (4 streets), and this is what I got...

------------------------------# mapped----Points

Wifi discovered by you-----------31---------93

Cell towers discovered by you----2----------30

Wifi already mapped-------------1-----------1

Total: 124

I'm going on an hour and 20 min interstate drive tonight, i'll leave it on in my car (plugged in of course) and see what happens. Having the software installed for 5 minutes got me 124 points so far. Long way from 10,000, but we'll see.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
I presume you have uninstalled, deleted the folders/files for Navizon, soft reset and reinstalled?

If not, give it a try - it MIGHT fix it??

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi MieralGray02K,

124 points sounds like an OK start just for going round the block.

Don't be disappointed if your interstate drive doesn't get many points (other than cell towers) as not many homes/businesses are within wifi distance of an interstate. Also in a car you are less likely to pick up as many points as walking because you travel faster and miss more.

You will get the most points by walking in built up areas or by visiting big cities where you can pick up lots of wifi points easily and cell towers are tightly packed.

Also if you are mapping areas that havent been mapped by other Navizon users (like your block) you can pick up more points too. Perhaps its a good time to take lots of walks around your neighbourhood to boost the points (with the added bonus of improving fitness at the same time!)

Keep us posted :D

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wharrad:
Had a bit of a push this weekend, really wanted to win a mug for comedy value in my first month... Figure I drive a lot, and just walk around the towns closest to where I live for the first time - y'know, really build up the numbers.

Well, guess what? The area's got amazing coverage so I get no where.

Oh well.

PS, just for comedy value, I live just south of Stratford-upon-Avon. Cheers Zip!! :) I blame you!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Glad youre enjoying it wharrad! :D

Don't give up too early on the coverage front - even in well covered areas I still pick up loads of extra points by parking out of town and walking different routes in and out to get the points I don't reach by car.

South of Stratford probably has some pretty good coverage as I started using Navizon in Jan 08 and do several journeys a month down that way. I spend a lot of time in Banbury and Oxford (plus the villages and roads leading to them) so I probably picked up most of those points already.

Dont forget that you still get points the first time YOU find them even if other users found them first - you just get less if they are already mapped.

Where are you based? Perhaps I can suggest areas I haven't been? ;)

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Balrog82:
I signed up yesterday und just by driving from work to my girlfriend and back today, I nearly got 400 points. though my area is not excessively discovered yet. nearly not at all to be honest. not yet :D we will see where we will get with this.

I dunno if this has been asked for already. what is, when the 2 weeks of premium trial are over? am I not able to discover wifi then anymore?

The only thing I have to check out, is, if I can use my Navigation software at the same time. There is some travelling coming up soon, and I want to use this opportunity to raise my score. But, I will need navigation for this most likely.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
You will still be able to discover wifi and cell towers when the "trial period" is over. You can use other navigation software alongside Navizon. I know that the following programs work: Google Maps, Live Search, Tomtom, iGO/OCN.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi Balrog82

As kcrumbley said you dont need to pay for the premium version to keep mapping points. Users like us with built in GPS and wifi on our phones dont really benefit from the premium option to be honest.

We use the standard software (which is free) to map cell towers and wifi points - in doing so we earn money from Navizon.

Navizon pay us because they use the info we provide to create a "virtual GPS" map. This service is accessible by premium users (people without GPS on their phone). Buying into the premium option gives non-GPS users the ability to have location based services using the signals from the wifi and cell towers that we locate!

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MikesDroid:
I started using this, then decided for $15, it's not worth the wear and tear on the phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Interesting view Mineralgray

Using Wifi, GPS and your phone together will cause a reduction to your battery charge (not an issue if you are plugged into a car charger). One or two people have reported extreme heat but most users are fine. I don't think its fair to say that using Navizon will cause "wear and tear" to your phone!? :cool:

At worst if you do trash a battery (in 7 months of heavy Navizon use mine is still fine!) you can get a new one for around $30 using just 2 $15 Navizon rewards.

The program is not for everyone, but many users find that they collect more than enough money for doing little more than starting some software :D

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Yeah, I agree with you Zippyioa. Just by running this software while I do my normal driving/walking, I have earned enough to pay for my phone and some accessories! I haven't noticed any problems with my Tilt from prolonged use of Navizon (along with other navigation software), with the exception of occasional "warmth" from my phone.

But like you said, everyone won't benefit from this software, but the majority can.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tcdtilt:
justifying my phone purchase

New to site and have found it to be very helpful. I am now ready to make a few $$ with my phone. I have been reading in this thread and it looks to me that this is a legitimate deal. I have registered for an account and am now wondering what the best setup is. I have an ATT Tilt with WM6.1. should I download the Navizon software or the Cameraware software. Seems that CA software is more stable. appreciate the help from a newbie.

tcdtilt
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
I use both programs. I like CamerAware because it displays more information (speed, direction and Navizon points), the only problem is that is doesn't work will with iGO8. The newest version of Navizon works well with very few crashes. And Navizon works with all GPS software that I have tried.

I hope this helps.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Not so long ago Cameraware would be my first choice due to it being more stable, but I find them very similar now so your choice is made by features.

Cameraware wins for me due to Navizon points count and speed camera warnings, however Navizon has the map and buddies feature which I do miss in Cameraware...

I would suggest you try one for a week, then swap to the other to see which one you prefer!

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Balrog82:
Thank you for the answers. This premium membership thing was a bit strange to me, because it was not good described. Well I know now. Good to hear that recording works fine after the two weeks.

But what about this "Work offline" option, which is available for premium members only? Is this the same? Does this only apply to navigating? Because I do not want to drive around with my data connection switching on all the time. Switching it off when driving is very dangerous, which I found out until I found this option.

Regards
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Work offline is not for Premium users only. It is to do with the mapping function of Navizon (how Navizon uses your data connection to get map info!).

In Menu > Options > Data you can choose:

- Local database, if you don't have internet access on your mobile device (OR you don't want Navizon to use data on your phone!)

- Remote, if you do have internet access on your mobile device (Navizon will query the data remotely BUT this costs you at your network providers rates!!).

Then choose the frequency you want Navizon to update your position (default is every 5 seconds). Then hit done.

If you just want to map without using Navizon features, you can check 'work Offline' and this should avoid data usage (check this on your phone though AND check out THIS post too!!)

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Balrog82:
yeah thanks zipp, I have disabled everything already and now it is working completely offline, except the sync which I do over the data connection. That is no problem so far. I read this other thread post you linked as well before, that is why I was so curious about the data connection the first time i used Navizon.

But what is this data connection then good for? Does it directly verify the access points and cell towers I discovered or what is it? I would have simply left this option on, but I have a very cheap data plan, which is limited by time.

Regards,
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Glad to hear you got it sorted!

The benefit of an on the go data connection is that you can update your points as you find them (not a critical thing!)

It is essential if you want to use the map side of things or to have your location published frequently using the "Tracker" service. I dont use either of these so for me it doesn't matter.

Hope that helps

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Balrog82:
ok, now i get it. using the tracker would be a fine toy, but to be honest ... you can track my movements with my records as well. at least you can see where I am driving around :D

the only thing that is left to test is using navizon in conjuction with navigation, as this didn't work last time i wanted to test it. i think it was because i changed the gps baud rate or something like this, but cannot revert the setting somehow in navizon ... strange.

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edit: tried to switch back to 4800 baud yesterday and it worked. had navigation running at the same time which worked flawless.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Glad you got it sorted - sorry for not replying but I was out till late last night and at work all day today!

Good luck finding the points and earning some $$$!! :D

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vcespon:
Strange results on rewards page

Hi, I don't know if you already have seen it, but there are very strange results on the "mapper of the month" page. There are 3 people with over 2 million points, and the top 10 users have 13 million points in total.

Either the server computing the totals has gone crazy or someone is trying to cheat Navizon.

A few days ago none had more than 100000 points (in the last months that's more than 99.9% of the people gets). Then suddenly we start seeing people with millions of points. That of course is impossible, you'll need almost a million new access points discovered in a week, or 2 per second, working 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

I have notified the support team of Navizon, so they can check the server and the accounts. They would have to pay more than $13000 this month if the numbers are not corrected.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Thanks for pointing this out. I really hope that this is not the result of someone attempting to cheat the system. If so, that may ruin a it for all of us. I stopped looking at that page once I mapped my local area. I hope to discover new places to job and thereby get more points. I hope this gets fixed!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vcespon:
Well, it has been corrected now, I have just received an e-mail from Navizon about the issue.

Now the page looks more "typical" with amounts of 25000 - 45000 points.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] borov5:
Thank you!

=)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi Everyone,

It looks like Navizon are reducing the amount they pay for each reward.

I just logged in and saw this:

"Please note: starting Friday October 10 2008, the cash value of each reward will be set to $10."

I guess they are paying out more than they are getting back from premium subscriptions and have to reduce to compensate for this? Oh well, they are still paying money for doing nothing (except for running some software when we travel!) :D

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Well, then I hope that they reduce the Paypal Transaction fee again. I always wondered how long can they keep paying out before it becomes unprofitable.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
I stopped actively contributing when it dropped from $20 to $15. I reckon I've still got an active account but rarely use it these days. More because I have no desire to flatten my battery using wifi & gps and having the phone 'on' in my pocket.

BTDT got the payments and gave the results ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hjeng:
I feel the same. Navizon drains battery fast and slows the phone down a lot. It's quite buggy with 6.1 rom. My Tilt battery won't last a day with the software running in the background.

In the past year, they have shrink both the points and the amount they pay significantly.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
Forced to buy premium software!!!!!

Navizon is now forcing its contributors to buy the premium software in order to redeem rewards! They now have a note that states that you can only redeem 1 reward and then you MUST buy the premium package (or use your next 10,000 point reward) in order to keep redeeming rewards!

Since I have a phone with internal GPS and a professional grade mapping software OCN8, I have no need for the premium Navizon version! So all of my mapping efforts over the past month will be wasted!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Elwyn M3100:
Not necessarily. It gave you an insight into what could be managed with your phone a bit more. I've got the full version, but I don't use it anymore. It's not even installed on my phone. TBH I suppose I could put it back on but it would eat the batteries! I have no way to charge it at work...

This was going to come, as the company aren't getting the returns they used to as the system has done it's job...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
I see that this thread has been quiet for a few months now. Is anyone still collecting points after the reduction in the reward and being forced to upgrade in order to collect?

I am, but I've only earned about $30 this year compared to about $200 in 7 months during 2008!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Hi kcrumbley,

It has been a long time since this thread was active!

There are still a number of people that use Navizon (check out the top 10 board on their website and you can see that the users on it are always changing!)

Like many users, I was dissapointed when they reduced the payments, but it was always going to happen as they were not getting enough revenue coming in!

Then they added the "you can only continue to earn rewards if you upgrade to premium". That was fine because you simply use points to go premium :)

I don't travel anywhere near as much as I used to and I still pick up a reward now and then. For me, Navizon has always been about making small amounts of cash for doing nothing other than running software while I travel where I was going anyway. As I see it, this makes it money for nothing!

Sure, the amount of cash has reduced, but in the current world economy free cash, nomatter how much HAS to be good :D

For those who are interested in finding out what we are talking about check out the links in the bold text in my signature below!!!

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drewcam888:
I still use the program but yes the rewards are low. But any free money is good to me. I just really wish the freezing problem would be fixed in the WM version.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
I know what you mean. I'm running the latest version and they still haven't fixed the freezing. But, I'm also using CamerAware Buddy and I haven't had Navizon or CamerAware freeze up yet while using it! It also locks onto the satellites like GPS Test, so I run it even if I don't start Navizon!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drewcam888:
Has anyone gotten their Tilt to crash while using Navizon. I first discovered a WM crash while using navizon and logging. I got a "We're Sorry" WM window...would you liek to send the report to Microsoft. WIFI and the radio shutdown so I had to soft reset. After soft reset the phone still crashed without Navizon running after about a minute of sitting in the same crash location. This was all in an area with a high number of aps(approx 30 aps). WM crashes on its own.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drewcam888:
Double post sorry
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] josefcrist:
this sucks that i did not learn about this earlier damn. well i registered yesterday and i am up to 3000 points. but it looks like this was much more fun in the good old days when this thread was started.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Teej53214:
Here you go...

I am off today and I will try this out... see if it kills my battery and such.. I probalyl wont; stick with it, but hell, I will give it a shot... Hope you enjopy the bonus points ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] josefcrist:
yay i am currently no7 on the board. i have driven around a lot though. oh well it is a fun hobby.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kcrumbley:
It crashes constantly on my wife's Tilt - not that often on mine (especially after using CamerAware Buddy) - but she doesn't get an error message. It just freezes the device and forces a soft reset. Sometimes when I try to manually sync Navizon, it creates an "exception error" within Navizon and I have to "quit" the program. I'm not sure if this matches your experiences or not.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] josefcrist:
has anyone else had the problem of camera aware not syncing.

also when ever i sync navizon it says downloading then it downloads 2 files that i have no idea what they are. any help would be nice.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] quackerjack:
They pay

They do payout.

I use mine every now and then. Started in about Nov 07.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zippyioa:
Thanks for that Quakerjack, it's good to get some positive feedback about payment.

Cheers

Zippyioa
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Just like anybody else in Modaco, or whom ask for Paypal donations. If you find me helpful, you have the "option" just like you dropping your referral. I'm not demanding anything from anybody.

Otherwise, it's your thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Ttblondey:
Hi guys,

I have a problem needs 2 b solved:

1- after install the software, turn on the navizon software, i can't simply connect/receive navizon server with my tytnII gps.:(

2- Can't open Google maps after double click it to look at my location.

[It stated something- can't connect to the google server.]:mad:

I've been using Trackme, Rereperion but the samething happen when i'm out for cycling.

May i know is it because in order to use navizon & other gps server I need to connect to internet in order to go to their server or some other things that i'm missing.:confused:

I off my Bt when i use the navizon & other software.I don't have any problem using my tytnII gps & maps in my country(singapore) with the server located in my country.

cheers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jagr:
which software do i download? why do i have to pay for the premium version. i dont get to track wifi APs with the lite version