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[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] LoliSmith:
I spoke to an electronics manager today. He said you pre-order by putting down $50 or if your carrier requires a higher downpayment due to your credit, then you have to put that amount down. Then when the phone arrives, the discount is off of the financed amount and then they apply your $50 as a downpayment. So for the Verizon S8, you pay the sales tax on $720 and $50 downpayment to Walmart and then it would be this:

$720 - $150 discount - $50 downpayment = $520 = $21.67/mo

If you are on new UDP, you can participate in the Verizon promotional trade in, but the amount you get in promotional TIV depends on the device you trade in. It is either $360 or $240 promotional TIV depending on the device you trade in. The promotional TIV is given to you as 24 monthly bill credits and if you pay off the S8's DPP early or terminate the line, you forfeit any remaining bill credits. The bill credits take 3 billing cycles to show up and you get bill credits x 3 on the 3rd bill followed by 1 per month after that.

If you are getting an S8+, the promotional TIV can be as high as $480.

Yes, you can do the trade in at a corporate store once your S8 is active on your line and the S8's DPP is showing on your line. After that, just take your S6 to a Verizon corporate store to trade it in, you will get $360 TIV for it paid out in 24 monthly billl credits.

Were you on new UDP when you pre-ordered?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] misterwal10:
Is anyone else having trouble pre ordering from tmobiles site? Been trying since last night
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] mrfuzzie23:
anyone know how easy/hard cancellations are for Samsung.com orders? or how about returns? curious... thinking about ordering from them but want to be able to return or cancel if needed
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] FluxionFluff:
Ohhhh, okay, so it's like Best Buy's offer, except you don't have to pay anything upfront to pre-order. Even if your carrier requires a down payment, you simply pay that, along with tax, when you pick up your phone. Not bad at all, but too bad the nearest Walmart to me that will actually do pre-orders is about 45 minutes away... so that's a deal breaker. D:

Would have been much more tempting if you could go to any Walmart to pre-order, like there's 2 within a 5 min drive from my house. Thanks for the info and straightening this all out, haha! XD I'll add it to the front.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] 954wrecker:
I'll be cancelling my order soon so I'll have an answer in about a week. This company is extremely disappointing to deal with at every level. Cancelling may be the easiest thing to do or it could be a huge pain in the ass.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] Majin101:
I'm surprised no one thanked the OP... I appreciate your time and research on these! Very helpful.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] galaxys:
Well said! Kudos:)
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] syphix:
"Pre-ordered" on Target.com, but they never took any payment...never guaranteed any actual product. And never sent a pre-order confirmation email...
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] eyc:
Does anyone know what happens to grandfathered UDP if you "finance" the phone through a retailer like Best Buy? In other words, can I buy the S8+ at Bestbuy, finance it over 24 months, and save the $100, while still maintaining my grandfathered UDP? Or will this be considered a change in my account that will cause me to lose the plan?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] FluxionFluff:
If you wanna cancel, you have to contact them via phone or email. Apparently, you can't do it on your own, without contacting them.

Go fig. That's annoying, but hey, least your order went through. :) :good:

Thanks guys!! :D Much appreciated! Had some help from a few other members here, but I wanted it to be as through as possible. Glad people are finding it useful. That's all I can ask for. I actually learned a bit about the other US carriers, which is cool, since I honestly don't look too much into them otherwise (as I'm on AT&T), haha.

That's a bit weird... O.o When I pre-ordered at Best Buy, they didn't ask for payment either, but I did get a pre-order confirmation. Not sure if that's because I did the pre-order in store, but that doesn't make sense though anyway. You should have gotten a confirmation e-mail, especially if you got it online. You don't always get them if you pre-order in-store, but Best Buy is one of those companies that sends you one anyway.

Did you check your junk mail? It could have ended up in there by accident. Otherwise, I would contact their customer service about it OR you can go to your local store, whatever's easier for you. Definitely get that figured out ASAP~ you still have time to get it fixed before launch, but... sooner the better, of course. :P

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Nothing new to add, but feel free to let me know if there's something I missed or need to update and I'll do it as soon as I can! :D

Just super excited for the phone to come out already yo~ XD April 21 can't come soon enough!! Also, totally random, BUT still related, I ended up cancelling my S8 pre-order and changing it to the S8+. The more I kept comparing the two in-hand, the more I felt like the regular one was too small...
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] 954wrecker:
I would have agreed with you until the big cancel order button popped up this morning.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] FluxionFluff:
I've never ordered from Samsung directly, so only went off the info from their FAQ page, which said that you have to contact them to cancel. I do wonder though, if that's only because it was a pre-order that you could cancel so easily? Like, if you order something that's already on the market, do you still have that option?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] 954wrecker:
I think I bugged them so much this past week they are just daring me to cancel to get me off their back
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] FluxionFluff:
Lawl, that's funny, especially if that was the case, lawl. :P
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] 954wrecker:
I mentioned a few times talking to a supposed supervisor that its a good thing they didnt have a cancel button or we wouldnt be having this hour long conversation
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] syphix:
I have the print out confirmation (with preorder confirmation number, but still no email. Not even in my spam. Weird especially because they say details of the $100 gift card & VR redemption are in the confirmation email. So do I call my local Target store, or their online order support?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] FluxionFluff:
Hmmm, I'd try their online order support first as you placed your order online. If that doesn't work, you can try contacting your local store.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] syphix:
Target online support was no help. They said the order number I had didn't match the type of preorder numbers they usually provide. I went to Target.com again to try and see if somehow I went to a phishing site, but when I attempted to preorder it again (I did it twice before because I never got an email confirmation...), it said that I could only preorder two per person. So, my order is in SOME type of database...I don't know where, though, or who to contact next.

Again, no payment was made, only name, number and email. They specifically state that product might not be available on launch day, so I'm thinking of going for one of the other offers you nicely provided. I shop mostly at Target, and thought the $100 gift card would help with the wife approval factor, though. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] BarryH_GEG:
As I said previously. Buying high-end electronics at mass market retailers is hit or miss. Case in point below. Mark my words, when pre-orders start shipping the Walmart, Sams Club, Target, and Best Buy people are going to swarm the forums with questions, issues, and complaints about their orders and when/if their phones are shipped. Hopefully no one gets a defective phone. Getting that resolved is a whole different conversation.

This happens every time a major new phone from Samsung or Apple is released. The mass market retailers offer deals better than the carriers and everyone goes running. Then problems occur and the forum's swamped with complaints about customer service and lack of information. The carrier's aren't always our friends but they've gotten pretty good at handling pre-orders and getting phones in people's hands. We also pay them thousands a year so they have an interest in our satisfaction.

Here's something for the Sam's Club and Walmart crowd. They both have Secondary Agreements tied to their "bonuses." It's called a Secondary Retail Agreement. I'm pretty sure Target has one too.

By accepting this Instant Savings Discount, you agree to repay $200 of this discount ($400 for smartphones, tablets, and netbooks) and authorize us to charge your credit card in repayment of this amount if, you signed up for a 2 year agreement and during the 181 days after your new equipment is activated, your wireless carrier notifies us that the services you purchased have been suspended, disconnected, or deactivated, or if you return your purchase outside of the return and exchange provisions of our 14-day Satisfaction Guarantee. Other than simply deactivating a line we've activated, your wireless carrier could notify us that you deactivated if: 1) You fail to pay the carrier in accordance with their terms and conditions, 2) You transfer equipment we activate on one line to another carrier line, even within the same account, 3) You activate this equipment on a new line of service with your current carrier and use it to replace an existing line by deactivating the existing line.​
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] syphix:
Yeah, I kinda figured it'd be that way... pre-ordered on Samsung.com, instead.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] kevingaspar:
Put it on a payment plan and then immediately pay it off. Problem solved.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] LoliSmith:
It's called a secondary ETF and it only applies to subsidized phones bought under 2 year services contract, which Target, BB and Walmart no longer offer. So it's moot.

BB never had a secondary ETF.

I am pre-ordering through Walmart.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] LoliSmith:
That definitely wouldn't work. The promotional TIV is given as 24 monthly bill credits so you wouldn't get that. The bill credits would never even show up. All Verizon would give him is market TIV for his S6 if he did that, and it would be applied to the balance owed on the account.

Then you would get market TIV for your S6 and it would be applied to the balance of the account. The $360 promotional TIV is paid out in 24 monthly bill credits and those end if you pay off the DPP early. Also, you have to be on new UDP when you pre-order to qualify for promotional TIV.

There is NO WAY for you to get $360 promotional TIV for your S6 without leaving the DPP active for the entire 24 months. If you pay off the DPP within the first month, the bill credits will never show up. All you will get is market TIV for your S6 and it will be a bill credit applied to the balance of the account.

It's only possible if you leave the DPP active for 24 months. That is the ONLY way to get that. And like I said, you have to be on new UDP when you preorder to qualify for the promotional TIV.

If you want to pay off the DPP early, you are better off pre-ordering through SC to get the $150 + Samsung freebies. Then when the S8 arrives, pay off the S8 DPP and sell your S6 on swappa.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] FluxionFluff:
That really sucks. D: It's super weird that happened to you in the first place. Funny enough, I was considering Target, but considering that the closest one is like 20 minutes away and I don't have a real reason to go there all the time, I didn't think it was a good enough deal though.

From everything I've found on my own and going over the stuff people gave me, I haven't seen any deal that's as good as Best Buy and Walmart, as both of them deduct money off the actual device, at least through retailers anyway. Gift cards are nice, but for me, if I don't go there because there isn't one close to me or have no reason to go there, then, it's just a waste.

Saw in a later post that you ended up getting it through Samsung's site. At least you're not out any money, but that'd be pretty funny on launch day, you get contacted about the phones you apparently pre-ordered from Target, but didn't get a confirmation for. Haha~
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] sloheim:
Here is another wrinkle to the Target offer that I don't see anyone discussing.

We all know about the $100 gift card at activation. No big deal.

But in my "pre-order confirmation email", it also states the following:

If I'm reading this right... I will get a $100 gift card at activation, PLUS a $15 gift card every 3 months, as long as this line is active.

Am I missing something here?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] sloheim:
I just spoke with a Target Mobile rep, who admitted he didn't know for sure. He checked with his District Manager who confirmed that YES, you will qualify for additional $120 in gift cards as long as you pay the taxes on your Redcard at time of purchase, and keep your DPP active for the full 2 years. Seems like the best deal out there right now.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] COCODRILO45:
hey guys has anyone beeb able to pre order the s8 thru Sam's club site it doesn't give me the option to pre order on their site and i went down to the store and they say i could only pre order online anyone that has pre order via Sam's club?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] GCbard:
i purchased it directly from samsung.com
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] shiftkenny:
This is actually a good deal. Because I can use the wife's Redcard and hopefully she will just pay for the taxes :)
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] eyc:
If you purchase directly from Samsung and finance over 24 months, are payments made to the carrier (e.g., Verizon) or are they made to Samsung? I ask because the Samsung website says "pay over time with Samsung financing." If it's Samsung financing, then how do the TIV promotions work with Verizon? Do I pay $35/mo to Samsung, but then get a $15/mo credit from Verizon? And, as a corollary, if I just paid off the Samsung phone on the third month, how would Verizon know enough to stop the monthly TIV credits?

ANSWER: I've learned that you cannot make use of Verizon TIV promotions if you purchase directly from Samsung.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] 954wrecker:
Call samsung.com when they open and I'm sure they will have some good guesses. I could tell you the truth but its funnier when the professionals make stuff up.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] eyc:
What? You know the answer, but would rather that I call Samsung? gtfo
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] 954wrecker:
Samsung.com and Samsung finance have zero to do with Verizon service or billing or anything. You pay samsung finance (TD bank) just like you pay macys charge card after shopping at macys
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] FluxionFluff:
Not sure if you tried to pre-order using the link that I provided in the OP, but when I took a look at the page again (and what I listed in the Sam's Club section), you have to pre-order online by 4/12. Otherwise, you have to wait until launch day to get it there. Also, if the pre-order options are an indicator of the colors they're gonna carry at launch, you won't be able to get all the colors, at least in store. (S8: Midnight Black & Orchid Gray | S8+:Arctic Silver & Orchid Gray) This could be different online.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] eyc:
OK. So, does that mean people that purchase directly from Samsung cannot get TIV promotions through their carrier? That's the underlying question to which I'm trying to get an answer.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] 954wrecker:
It might be easier to call Verizon than samsung.com but I'm 100% positive they have ZERO to do with TIV for any company. Plus Verizon will answer the phone meanwhile samsung left the office 90 minutes ago
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] equake:
I'm almost certain the TIV promo is only thru Verizon payment plan. The value of trade in is spread out over 24 months.

My 2 cents
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] LoliSmith:
Yes, that is what that means. You can only get the promotional TIV if you buy a carrier financed device. Samsung does not sell carrier financed devices. Also, if it is Verizon then you have to be on new UDP when you pre-order.

Correct, you must be on new UDP when you pre-order and buy the device on a Verizon financed DPP. You can pre-order the device anywhere that sells devices on Verizon financed DPPs - Best Buy, Sam's Club, Walmart, Target, Costco, Verizon - and once the S8/S8+ is active on the line and the S8/S8+ DPP is showing on the line, you can take your trade in device to a Verizon corporate store and trade it in for promotional TIV.

The bill credits END if you terminate the line or pay off the DPP early. So if your plan is to get the Note 8 or get the S9/S9+, you are better off selling your old phone on swappa.

FYI - Verizon reps are saying that the S8/S8+ qualify for the annual upgrade option. If you think you may want to do the annual upgrade option, you should not do the promotional TIV because you will only get 1/2 of the bill credits.

It's a waste of time to call Verizon reps. They will tell you that you have to purchase the device through Verizon directly to qualify for the promotional TIV. That is false. You can buy it from any retailer that sells devices on Verizon financed DPPs - Best Buy, Target, Walmart, Sam's Club, Costco. However, Samsung.com does not sell devices on Verizon financed DPPs. They have their own financing program.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] equake:
Do you know the steps/process online to get the TIV from VZW? If so, please post.

Thanks.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] eyc:
I think you've said previously that, after you receive the S8--and provided you are on the nUDP and have paid off your DPP--you can trade in your old phone and after a few months the discount will begin to be applied to your monthly payment for the S8.

So, what happens to the remaining discounts after you finish paying off the S8? If, for example, the discounts begin to apply on the third month of payments for the S8, there will be three discounts/credits to be made after you finish paying it off, right? Do they just pay you that in a lump sum?

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If LoliSmith doesn't respond right away, I would check his post history. I think he's explained this like 3-4 times already in this thread.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] LoliSmith:
If it is true, it is definitely the best deal.

1) Once the S8/S8+ is active on your line and the S8/S8+ DPP is showing on the line, you take your trade in device to a Verizon corporate store and trade it in for promotional TIV.

That's the only step. You must do the trade in within 30 days of activation of the S8/S8+.

You must be on new UDP when you pre-order. You can pre-order anywhere that sells devices on Verizon financed DPP and their deals will stack with the Verizon promotional TIV.

Yes, make sure any DPPs on your line are fully paid off BEFORE you pre-order the S8/S8+ and make sure that you are on new UDP when you pre-order.

Then it takes from 2-3 billing cycles (usually 3) before you will see the bill credits. They give you multiple bill credits initially to make up for any that were missed, then after that you get 1 per month.

If it takes 3 bills for the bill credits to show up, you get 3 bill credits on the 3rd bill. After that you get 1 per month.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] eyc:
Uh oh. I might have f'd this up. I pre-ordered an S8 for my wife through Bestbuy and, to my surprise, at the end of the checkout process, it said that her device (an S6) had $2.60 still remaining on its DPP, which I paid then and there. Does this qualify as being "fully paid off BEFORE" I pre-ordered? I dearly hope so.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] LoliSmith:
If it let you pay it off during the order and would not allow the order until you paid it off, it should be fine. It is always safest to pay it off first - you can do it online through your account. But in this case since they prompted you to pay it off during the order, it should be fine.

Once you get your S8 active on your line and the DPP is showing, you can get an appraisal for the trade in phone here logged into your account:

https://www.verizonwireless.com/device-recycle/

The appraisal should show the promotional TIV. Stop at the appraisal, don't submit the trade in online. Then when you are certain you are keeping the S8, you can take the S6 to a Verizon corporate store and do the trade in there.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] antawnm26:
i just ordered through samsung using this ifo..it seems to be your best option due to not having to register things for promo
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] equake:
I tried the process online but does not show the Promo TIV, my S7 Edge was valued @ $190 going thru the site signed-on to my account Any suggestions? It asks for a promo code prior to appraisal which can be skipped.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] LoliSmith:
Do you have an S8/S8+ active on your line and do you see the S8/S8+ DPP on the line?

It asks if you have a promo code. However, there are no promo codes any more.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] equake:
Yes on both questions, I have the new UDP, and DPP. I have the s8. The s8 was preorderd thru BestBuy.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] skrubol:
FYI if you ordered a Verizon phone through a "3rd party" seller (Sam's Club in my case,) they require the primary account holder's FULL social security number, not just the last 4 digits. Also they maybe require the primary's license number (guy wasn't sure if it needed to be the primary or just an authorized user's license number.)

Very frustrating, wasted about an hour trying to pick up my phone this morning, now need to go back tomorrow.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] LoliSmith:
If you are logged into your account, you should see the promotional TIV when you go to get an appraisal. If you aren't seeing it, then perhaps they haven't updated the system yet. What date did you activate the S8/S8+? Were you on new UDP when you pre-ordered?

I know with the iPhone 7 launch it took a few days before the system showed the promotional TIV and before that people had to fill out trade in correction/recalculation forms. I would give it a few days.

That isn't true at BB so it isn't across the board. BB only requires the last 4 of the SSN and the Account PIN.

You have to be either the Account Owner or the Account Manager to pick up the phone.

Target's system often requires the AO's DL# and even if you are an AM, they still need the AO's info. Looks like SC is the same way. BB only needs the AM's info.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] equake:
I activated 04/19 and on UDP during preorder.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] LoliSmith:
Not sure if the early activation could have affected anything or not. I would for sure give it until Monday. Then if you are still not seeing the promotional TIV, call the trade in department and ask them what is up 800-416-8894. In the past when this happened, they had in-store reps fill out Trade in Correction/Recalculation forms but rather than go that route, I would just wait a bit and see if they get the system updated.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] skrubol:
Anyone else preorder a Verizon S8 from Sam's Club? I was surprised when I finally got to activating the phone, that the price was $748, not the normal Verizon pre-order price of $720. Not a huge deal, but I might have gone with a different store if I'd known ahead of time. Anyone else see this?