yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
Correct: you understand it correctly...
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
Where did I say: this CSC gives PHN? Nowhere!

The firmware-package is for ALL CSC's in OXM the same: there are NO separate firmwares anymore for i.e. PHE, PHN etc...

If your phone has the PRODUCT-code PHE (UNbranded Spain) and you flash the package I posted here, your CSC will stay PHE and will NOT change to PHN
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] maik005:
You better look what you wrote...

to go into Download Mode you have to press Power + Bixby + Vol down

for recovery it is Power + Bixby + Vol up
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
In the dialer:

*#34971539#
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] DrearierJester1:
Looks like it carries the same camera firmware as with AQF7
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] maik005:
No, Rear Camera (Main) Firmware was updated for me from AQF7

AQF7: F12LLKD01GM

AQG5: F12LLKG01GM
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] chippyuk:
[MENTION=1586120]henklbr[/MENTION]

Thank you for all this!

I have been out of the game for a long time now and things have changed to please excuse the naivety of my questions.

1. I can flash the SM-G955FD onto my G955F wihtout issue via Odin as mentioned above. (I can see that he components are named 955FXX... as non Dual Sim ones are) so that is ok.

2. My phone is now network unlocked and I have already flashed the BTU/XEU f/w onto it. Will flashing this version give me faster OTA or will it make zero difference and will I have to Odin them every time.

3. Based on my attached screenshot the Service Provider shows as XEU/O2U Does this mean that I cannot flash this via Odin using the HOME_CSC or at all as I cannot see O2U in the list?

I am with O2 UK but as mentioned my phone is now network unlocked.

I would rather flash without having to rebuild of course but not sure what issues I may encounter as O2U is not listed in the HOME CSC or is that no longer relevant as my phone is network unlocked and will pick up XEU?

Again, apologies for the questions but it has been a long time since I played with this stuff.

Thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] DrearierJester1:
^^ must have missed that D & G detail. Just woke up, Good morning! :D
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
[MENTION=241837]chippyuk[/MENTION]

XEU/XEU/O2U means the current CSCs on the phone are XEU but the original CSC on the phone when it was purchased was O2U. Your phone isn't on O2U, the original CSC is just showing the origin of the phone.

This may give you faster updates than being on O2U since XEU Unlocked models usually get updates before carrier devices. However don't take my word for it. Samsung takes time with all updates.

Edit: Oh yeah, since your phone is on XEU and not O2U, the HOME_CSC will work just fine.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] chippyuk:
Great Thanks!

So I can just flash this via Odin with the HOME CSC (I understand it may still require a reset of course) and should not have any issues, Samsung Pay should still work (do not use it at the moment as the UK support is rubbish and no MST)

Thanks again!
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] maik005:
Right. And with HOME_CSC you don´t even have to reset.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
Yup, it doesn't trip KNOX so Samsung Pay and any bootloader security related services should work fine.

You can flash with HOME_CSC and this being a security patch update shouldn't cause any issues but I'd recommend doing a backup anyway in case sh*t goes bad and you have to reset.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] chippyuk:
A little off topic but am only looking for confirmation really.

One thing I have noticed with AQF7 and also AQG5 is that I can no longer Fast Charge when using magnetic connectors anymore, this includes a few from Aliexpress as well WSKEN ones. If I revert back to AQDI it allows me to Fast Charge with them again. Has anyone else experienced this and found a way around it?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
If you know it's OFF-TOPIC, why still ask?

This/Your question should be in the ACCESSORIES-section...

I've NO PROBS with my ORIGINAL Samsung wireless charger...
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] x.Orville.x:
I will get updated if this it's my csc?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
The same question you asked on 08 jun 17...

Flash AP BL CP & HOME_CSC_OXM and you will get updates
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] x.Orville.x:
Ok thanks
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] chippyuk:
I posted here with that little 'caveat' as it is something that Samsung has changed in the Official f/w, it is not really connected to a particular accessory and because I thought it the best place to ask for a quick answer as people visiting this thread would have swapped 'stock' f/w regularly and may have encountered the same issue.

It is not in reference to Qi charging but the small magnetic connectors that plug into the Type C port with a magnetic cable.

My intention was not to offend, it was a simple, polite question for which I was looking for an educated answer and as people like your good self are very familiar with the Official releases I was hoping someone here may have been able to help or advise as I have already googled the life out of it over the last month or so :(
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] kashortiexda:
Anyone got a link other than Mega for the July update ?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] misiokicio:
Use samfirm like the rest :) nice and easy to use... Even Henk provided a screenshot from it yesterday, just type the same and download ur July Firmware
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Incarniac:
Updato is also very nice and easy to use. Releases seem to be a few days after SamMobile or SamFirm, but are on there now.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] maik005:
The network search page is new. before there was only one entry for every provider.

Now there is one entry for every technologie!
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] zermd:
download

Does anyone have a torrent of the mega link or parts in mega.... it could help me!
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] panchuckles:
Im really so confuse, There is a problema if I install DBT (from Germany) on my s8+ ?

Enviado desde mi S8+ mediante Tapatalk
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] XkobiX:
If you choose to use other csc your data will be lost. So take a backup of your important stuff and install DBT
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] t-shock:
Although EUR CSC is a part of the OXM multi-csc, it still confuses me why it hasnt took the QG5 update via OTA

Do they cherry-pick the countries?

PS. Before going nuts and screaming at me, that I should use the Odin to update to the latest, I just made a question. I know that I can use Odin
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] maik005:
The updates are roled out in phases... CSC by CSC. not all at once. and not even all CSCs in a Multi-CSC do get every Software version via OTA or SmartSwitch.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
Yes unfortunately they do.

Samsung is very slow with rolling out updates for some CSCs.

I just got used to Odin flashing every update that comes out instead of waiting for the OTA to be released on my CSC.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] opus.ignotum:
Suscribed
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] mys3:
Forgive my ignorance but I currently have an unlocked UK s8+, I flashed the BTU firmware from sammobile but it started in German until i changed language and was showing as DBT firmware. I flashed CSC and not home if that helps.

What did I do wrong?

My aim is just to flash updated firmware as it's released rather than wait for 02 UK who were my original carrier
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
Download the phone info Samsung app and post a screenshot of the CSC tab.

Did you have a UK SIM card in the device when you flashed it?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] mys3:
See

Thanks. Yes I had an EE UK sim in the phone

CSC: G955F0TF1AQF8
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
That seems to be the CSC for the O2-UK ROM.

Sent from my Pixel XL
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] TiGuy82:
I don't know what I am doing wrong, I have NPH rom of June and now Flashing to the XSG it keeps my ROM from June. What I am doing wrong?

I own a SM-G955F.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
Which ROM are you flashing?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] hamad138:
The performance improvements are quite seeable. My phone feels a lot smoother now
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] mys3:
I originally bought the phone on 02 contract but have since unlocked it and I'm running EE SIM in it. How do I go about running BTU software on it rather than rely on 02 to update the phone?

Appreciate the help
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
Download any AQG5 ROM wirh the OXM CSC.

Power off your device, make sure the EE SIM is inserted, go to recovery, do a factory reset. Boot to download mode, flash the entire ROM including the CSC file (not home CSC), then do a reset in recovery again, and reboot your phone.

Once you start up and go through the setup screen, you should be on EVR (EE's CSC) or BTU/XEU (Unlocked UK CSC).
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] maik005:
Flash the full firmware package from here with the CSC_OXM not the HOME_CSC_OXM.

This WILL factory reset your device!

Your CSC should then change to BTU/XEU IF you have your SIM inside the phone while flashing.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] TiGuy82:
https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=73022335&postcount=377
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] mys3:
Thank you both^^

So to be clear I can use the firmware in this thread as it's included in the OXM firmware and the only difference will be my CSC will differ?

Thanks for your patience. I've been away from android for a while and this has changed from my last Samsung.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] maik005:
yes
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
Was the flash successful?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] cloudx720:
Guys can anyone help me with my situation? ok I have a unbranded galaxy s8+ United kingdom/Ireland csc XEU I'm on the three network but I have no volte or WiFi calling options. Would I be able to flash over my current firmware with the either the United kingdom (HG3) or the Ireland (IE3) the Ireland firmware is newer than the United kingdom one so I would prefer to flash the IE3 one but I'm not sure if I'll get the volte and Wi-Fi calling options!?!? Thanks to anyone who can help me.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] TiGuy82:
No. I flashed and I still with old firmware version :(
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
Flash the one for the area you're in.

If you're in Ireland, flash the IE one while your 3 UK SIM is inserted in the phone, then wipe data in recovery and do a factory reset. You should be on the H3G CSC.

Did you flash all 4 files?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
Where and how did you download the firmware?

If with SamFirm: how did you do that?

When I fill in the parameters (SM-G955FD - XSG) I get the CORRECT FW with the july patch!

You can also use SM-G955F - DBT -> also the July patch

Flash AP BL CP & HOME_CSC_OXM (read msg 1 & 2)
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] TiGuy82:
I Downloaded DBT rom and it worked. Thank you so much! :)
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] donharden2002:
Deleted
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] TheUndertaker21:
Daydream update ? Anyone ?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
G955FXXU1AQGB (Multi-CSC OXM)

At this moment, Samsung is rolling-out a new Firmware-update in Thailand (THL) for the S8/S8+

This firmware is an update from G950FXXU1AQG5 to G950FXXU1AQGB for the Multi-CSC OXM

When available for download, it'll be posted here -> STAY TUNED :D
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] carlitobahsoun:
plz i like to know if bixby voice is in the update ..thanks
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
1. This FW is just released, only in Thailand so I don't know

2. The chances are VERY LOW, because BIXBY is released ONLY in home-country South Korea and USA at this time (if it was released in more countries, you should have known already by Samsung!)
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] carlitobahsoun:
ok thanks if u did install plz update us what new...thanks
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
As I mentioned earlier in this message:

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=73213325&postcount=430

This FW is NOT AVAILABLE for download yet...

When available, it'll be posted here and you can download/install it for yourself... ;)
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
It looks like a fairly large update considering it probably won't include the August security patch and doesn't include Bixby Voice either.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Nightf0x_007:
please i need help here , flashed twrp recovery and now my G955FD wont boot also i cant flash stock firmware using odin (note only box ticked is f.reset time) please help what should i do
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
NO ROOT-talk in this thread!

Read msg #1 1st sentence: NO ROOT AND/OR CUSTOM ROM TALK HERE!!!
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] carlitobahsoun:
i pm u

---------- Post added at 08:09 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:08 PM ----------

any news about thl new firmware???
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Nightf0x_007:
my problem now is with odin
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
And?

If you had an ORIGINAL Bootloader on your device, you wouldn't have problems with Odin...

Secondly: this is NO Odin-thread for problems with Odin

Your question should be in:

1. TWRP-thread

2. Odin-thread (https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2711451)

End discussion in this thread...
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] joseportillo:
Hey, I have a G955F which has bloatware from a local carrier. This phone is unlocked, but only for the four local carriers, it cannot be used in another country. If I install this European ROM, would it unlocked internationally ? I am asking this because I am going to Europe in two months and I need the phone unlocked.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] vladmir:
Flashing a European firmware won't unlock your phone. I have a unlocked phone but I'm only able to use any European carrier SIM card, it's a region lock.

I'm not 100% sure but I think you have to find someone to do that unlock, try to find on eBay that service....

Enviado do meu SM-G955F através de Tapatalk
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Amar.B:
With all due respect why you are always giving people hard time instead of helping. I know it can open a new discussion which is not related to your thread but we all know if you really wanted to help him you simply could by msg him in pm instead of writing along story about thread rules. I've seen you posting in other threads referring to your thread. I just want to say that xda was always about helping people not to give people hard time. Cheers
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
With all due respect, [MENTION=5119443]Amar.B[/MENTION]

If people have trouble with FW, changing CSC etc. they are helped in this thread: no problem (it has discussed already many times, this forum has an excellent "search-function", but we try to help as much as possible) -> Thanks [MENTION=1572395]maik005[/MENTION] for this, AND his patience! :)

But: if you see message #1 1st sentence of this thread, it's stated clearly that "ROOT and/or CUSTOM ROM"-talk is NOT done in this thread: there are much other thread about those subjects...

And if people "screw-up" their device with not knowing "how to go back to stock after ROOT/Custom ROM", then they should search 1st info about "How to..." before going to "ROOT and/or Custom ROM" and not asking in a thread without "respecting" some things as stated in msg #1

One simple thing; we're trying to keep this thread as clean as possible, ONLY OFFICIAL STOCK SAMSUNG ROM-talk here...
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Amar.B:
I got your point and i understand the forum rules. i don't want to explain more and give my point of view. Short note let's keep your thread clean. Cheers
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] iamsloany:
Been trying for days to download the july update from samfirmware keeps stopping around 80%

Looking for XEU G955F

Anyone have a mega link?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
Try using Updato instead. I think it has Google Drive links.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] trickie69r:
Check here: https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=71668023&postcount=2, as that is a megalink containing OXM CSC firmware which is a multi CSC and includes XEU.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
G955FXXU1AQGB (Multi-CSC OXM)

New firmware available; upload will follow later

For people with SamFirm: these are the parameters for download:
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Bec de Xorbin:
G955FXXU1AQGB/G955FOXM1AQGB/G955FXXU1AQG5/G955FXXU1AQGB now available via SamFirm. SM-G955FD & THL.

EDIT: Wow, [MENTION=1586120]henklbr[/MENTION] was a little bit faster ;)

EDIT2: Also, as have been said before, all SM-G955F/FD & OXM firmwares of the same version are bit-identical.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
SamFirm downloads are ridiculously slow right now, no alternative way to download the firmware yet.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] chippyuk:
Try it again, mine downloaded in 4 minutes flat which admittedly is a little slow (ISP dependant of course) but acceptable.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
I tried twice within a span of 5 minutes, max speed it attained was 200 kB/s, usually it's a lot faster and I always use SamFirm for my downloads but this time somethings up.

I'll try again later today.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Bec de Xorbin:
No problem here downloading. Update also ok, SM-G955F & NEE.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
Heh, whoops. Turns out was just a DNS issue, I restarted my router, flushed DNS cache, restarted my laptop and it's now downloading at 5.2 MB/s, should be up and running in no time. :D
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
G955FXXU1AQGB (Multi-CSC OXM)

This ROM is the latest ROM for Multi-CSC OXM released 31 jul 17, and can be used for ALL CSC's mentioned in Multi-CSC OXM!

This is official Samsung ROM, so KNOX won't be triggered!

Change CSC for i.e. use Samsung Pay

Your data will stay intact, but it's possible you get "com.android.***** has stopped" -> Then a Factory Reset is needed (in Recovery)!

What's new:

* Android 7.0

* July security patches (Samsung Android Security Updates)

* Stability Improvements

Model	SM-G955F

Model name	Galaxy S8 plus

Country	Netherlands

Version	Android 7.0

Changelist	1190623

Build date	Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:10:22 +0000

Security Patch Level	2017-07-01

Multi-CSC	OXM

PDA	G955FXXU1AQGB

CSC	G955FOXM1AQGB

Download for install with Odin 3.12.7: MegaNZ

UN-ZIP the archive and place the files in the designated slots in Odin 3.12.7

HOME_CSC_OXM -> data will stay intact

CSC_OXM -> device will be resetted (NOT included in archive for "smaller archive" due to "download limitations" MegaNZ)

This package contains the HOME_CSC of OXM Multi-CSC, which include the following CSC's: ACR AFG AFR ARO ATO AUT BGL BNG BRI BTC BTU CAC CAM CEL CHO COO DBT DKR ECT EGY EON ETL EUR GLB ILO INS ITV KSA LAO LUX LYS MID MM1 MWD MYM NEE NPL ORX PAK PCL PHE PHN PTR ROM SEB SEE SEK SER SIN SKZ SLK SMA STH THL THR TMC TPA TPH TTT TUN TUR WTL XEF XEH XEO XEU XFA XFE XME XSG XSP XTC XXV ZTO
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] ryaneu:
Changelog for G950FXXU1AQGB update in

http://doc.samsungmobile.com/SM-G950F/THL/doc.html

Build Number : G950FXXU1AQGBAndroid Version : Nougat(Android 7.0)Release Date : 2017-07-31

- Device stability improvements, bug fixes.

- New and / or enhanced features.

- Further improvements to performance.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] iacobus86:
Someone has tried it?

Enviado desde mi SM-G955F mediante Tapatalk
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
Ques: did you read previous posts first?

Maybe you should do; then you can come to the conclusion some users have installed this new FW on their device... ;)
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] iacobus86:
This new ROM is of 31th July so the comments of several people were published two days ago. So it is clear that nobody has put their opinion yet ;)

Enviado desde mi SM-G955F mediante Tapatalk
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] XkobiX:
I installed it yesterday. Everything is just fine. No noticed changes.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] MeltdownSpectre:
It's obviously not a major update seeing that the OTA was only 400~ MB and it didn't even include the August security patch.

I've installed it on my S8+ and it feels and works the same way as the old AQG5 update. Nothing to write home about, it's probably just a bug fixes update.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Bec de Xorbin:
If you want my completely subjective opinion (no more proof than a feeling, could be placebo), slightly bigger-than-normal battery drain introduced in AQG5 seems to be gone.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] TiGuy82:
I installed it with no issues.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Bec de Xorbin:
Curiously this firmware https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/galaxy-s8/SM-G955F/PCL/download/G955FXXU1AQG5/182354/ has the newest CSC G955FOXM1AQGE. Could things get messed up if I just flash that HOME_CSC? Maybe it's not worth it because most likely there's no benefit.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] maik005:
I will try it out... downloading now (but for S8 - G950F)

Normal it shouldn´t make a problem because they are all OXM.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] maik005:
At least for DBT S8 here there is no difference. Serviceprovider Version is still the same only CSC Version changed but maybe only changes for PCL CSC?
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
cc: [MENTION=1572395]maik005[/MENTION]

Why would you do that?

Stay with the ORIGINAL files in the package and don't mix; CSC are only configuration-files (country specific)...
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Bec de Xorbin:
Yeah, maybe. Funny that they included newer CSC than in THL but left AQG5 for everything else. Samsung works in mysterious ways ;)
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] NeedleGames:
Hello, I need help. I want to get updates faster as I'm still on june patch.

https://i.imgur.com/xqDtdhZ.png

*#1234# says it's ODX.

Phone had polish carrier bloat.
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
Other members of this thread, and myself, have answered this question several times already in this thread...

This forum has an EXCELLENT SEARCH-function -> use it!
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Guides, News, & Discussion] NeedleGames:
I searched before but only found german version not polish and even then everyone argued and disagreed on what to do and op of question just disappeared