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[General Topics] Mazda:
That sounds great and all but the fact is that Josh won't do a damn thing when it comes to mod related issues. I know because I told him about Jerdog being a snake in the grass and abusing his power and he told me 'I appreciate you bring this up blah blah blah I will talk to the moderators about it and get back to you soon". That was 2 months ago.

He won't do **** because he's held hostage by the moderators. If he does the smallest thing and they don't like it, they tell him that they'll walk. The moderators are volunteers and know they got Josh by the balls. He does anything they don't like and there goes Josh's small army of volunteers.

So you camping out as great as that sounds, is not going to do anything. Josh will tell you he'll look into it but you got a better chance of winning the lottery before Josh disciplines Jerdog and the other corrupted moderators on here.

We can also sit here and have a discussion about rules but is not going to matter one bit. Is like rewriting laws and still keeping the corrupted police officer in the payroll. Jerdog is dirty. From abusing his power as a senior moderator (I think he weasel himself to admin now) to his company that leeches off open source (fastboot), is all dirty and bad for any developer and XDA.

I'm not going to just shut up. What was done to me was wrong. Jerdog knows it. Josh knows it. I've provided more than enough evidence to support my claims YET nobody around seems to give a ****.

You guys talk about wanting to change this place but when presented with EXACTLY what's wrong with this place, is met with defensive comments and bull**** promises.

I'm not going to shut up about this. JJD or Jerdog are going to have to ban me which at that point will further prove my point BUT anything short of that and I'm not shutting up until there's change.

What Jerdog did was wrong. Moderators from the newest to the most senior one, if you actually believe 1/10 of a percent of the crap that Mike Channon said about change then do what's right. Right the wrong that Jerdog has made.
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I thought this thread was about "What should XDA's policy be regarding sharing of code?"

And I thought it was about building a direction to move forward? Not about one person's grievances unrelated to the discussion.

Guess I was mistaken. Carry on. :good:
[General Topics] Mazda:
You're right. Let's pretend like there's not a problem and silence people by telling them to get back on topic.

Typical XDA....

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Guess you guys want everyone to come on here and tell you how you all are doing a fantastic job and how nothing should be changed because XDA is so great, right?

Is pathetic that when presented with an issue, you guys try to silence it with this crap that of 'get back on topic'.

Why not fix the issue? Is too much of an ego hit to admit that XDA is a cluster? To admit that one of your own, a high ranking XDA mod is corrupted?

Fix the problems at hand and quit the condescending remarks and typical XDA mod comments

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Also Darth, don't be a hypocrite. You and I both know that I've caught you before in a hangouts chat talking a bunch of **** about me and fostering that environment. I still got the screenshots.

You and I both know how corrupted this place is.

Why act like suddenly what I'm doing is this horrible thing when you yourself have done worst?

Why not fix the issues at hand? Be part of the solution instead of trying to silence me with condescending remarks!
[General Topics] Char_G:
Well, I am not a dev, but I've been with Ground Zero ROMs for several years and I work with the Substratum devs as well so I'm going to voice my opinion on some of this. My main role is user support and dealing with annoying users can be very frustrating. Asking questions, even repeat questions, is just something we have to live with. But disrespectful behavior towards​ devs should never be tolerated. I think disrespectful users have to be dealt with promptly, and removed from XDA if they can't play nice. There will still be plenty of traffic on XDA without them. The communities I moderate on G+ are generally peaceful, pleasant places where people feel safe, because we won't tolerate anything less.

As far as donations go, I believe a lot of so called 'devs' who post ROMs do so in the hopes they'll get donations. This leads to work being kanged and posted, doing away with donations would IMO, remove some of the motivation for that.

Thanks hunters are another big problem, posting a dozen or more ROMs without credits or labeling threads unofficial is common. They go hand in hand with the donation seekers.

Posting someone else's ROM before they've released it should not be allowed, posting unofficial builds of supported devices shouldn't be allowed either, unless they've gotten express permission from the original team to do so. Unofficial builds of unsupported devices are fine, as long as the original devs are credited and the threads are in order with sources and unofficial tags.

I guess I'll stop there :p
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Not at all Sir. No one has silenced anything. No posts have been removed or altered. You say you aren't heard, as do others. You also said Josh has ignored your discussions, yet, here it is. A public discussion thread opened by xda to discuss issues on all sides and work together towards a coming together.

The OP is pretty honest and open. Admitting things could be handled better by all involved, Moderation included. So everyone has a chance now to speak and offer suggestions, ideas, complaints, etc. And in the end, it's everyone's hope that things can be tweaked to help move forward in a more positive environment.

And now it's been completely derailed. Wouldn't you agree? We're all trying to look forward, and dwelling on the past won't help that effort. Either will focusing on any one person's views and opinions.

Yes, we should all get back on topic as you say, and put personal differences aside and come up with reasonable ideas to eliminate any gaps between xda and it's developers.

Senior Moderators had no plans to step into this, we would have preferred members begin with some brain storming. But as it is, the thread has become very single minded and lost all focus. Let's all guide it back on track. We all want the same thing, despite popular belief. :)
[General Topics] Mazda:
Dwelling on the past? That's all XDA does! Every damn time I post on here I'm looked on as if I'm Saddam Hussein or some ****. I haven't got a warning or even an infraction since Bush was President.

I'm dwelling on the past because that's what I'm pissed about. The corrupted Jerdog did me wrong. He took my RD title because he was mad that I organized Devs Base. He then started spreading the rumor that I was the owner, which is not true. When I wasn't buying into his bull****, he used what he could to **** me over. He took my title, replaced it with 'Former RD' a humiliating title and told me to kick rocks ALL OVER HANGOUTS not via a XDA PM or anything official because he knew what he was doing what bull**** and wrong.

As far as silencing people. You came in here with the full intention of doing just that, don't lie. I'm sure you all would love nothing more than if I dropped dead so you can ignore all the corruption and fool the n00bs into thinking you're on the up and up.

This place stinks. Is full of it. Fix the wrong you've done and maybe we can talk about the other issues because tbh corrupted moderators like JJD and Jerdog is exactly what's driven a bunch of developers away.

Oh and now you calling me SIr? Don't be fake. Call me what you called me on hangouts. Call me a troll. Go ahead...
[General Topics] mazwoz:
Mazda is 100% correct that changing the rules doesn't fix anything unless the corruption is taken care of.

Kenny, you've known and talked to me for years, I'm a straight shooter... This is 100% why I said what I said on the first page. If you guys want to fix the site and prevent the hemorrhaging of developers leaving for other sites, fix the problems. Developers are giving you the answers and you are trying to tell them it's not a problem or that it's off topic.

This is just like me not getting the RD title. I only develop original code and have more knowledge, capability, and experience than 90% of RDs and I've been given nothing but excuses every time I've applied. Excuses ranging from "too much team work" to "we don't understand your code". How does any of that make sense? XDA had become a corrupt hypocritical site that holds grudges and has moderators that defy the rules for their own reasons.

Popular ROM teams, app developers, themers, and developers of all kinds are leaving... It's not about what the rules say, it's about the fact that moderators choose not enforce those rules and screw over the developers. It's about ad traffic and power, nothing more.

If XDA wants change, it needs to focus on more than rewriting several rules and instead focus on enforcing the rules and fixing the corruption. Some rules need to be rewritten, but that is not the source of developers complaints. If this site is to be about development, listen to the developers. Keep the BS and feelings out of it and listen to what multiple developers are saying.

Don't ask for opinions and then limit us to a small set of topics because you don't like the consensus you are getting.

BTW, I've been programming for almost 20 years. I've developed everything from websites to large scale server client applications for the Air Force to apps like TWRP Manager and Live Backup. Even though this site does not consider me a developer, I am in every sense of the word.

/Rant
[General Topics] Neo:
Wow dude.. So while this is a whole other issue in itself and we all know how directly it relates to you, the purpose of this thread was not for hashing out complaints between you and another moderator or how unfair or corrupted you feel the site has become.

This thread was meant for the purpose of improving developer relations with a focus on code sharing and thread control. It's a good conversation to have and the majority of your first response was well thought out and on track with the topic of discussion! I couldn't help but feel near the end of it however that you apparently wrote it all as a foot-in for what's really eating you, and that has no place in "this thread". You wanna hash that out on XDA? How will anything improve with that situation via that approach? At the least, try and keep this thread aimed at a mutually beneficial goal for the developers and the site.

I know of course that any mod who quotes you will likely get some kind of derogatory rant as has been the typical response in the past, but I challenge you to prove me wrong and that you can focus on the topic of conversation.

Thanks,

Neo
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I called myself the troll, check again. I asked for an ETA. Lol. I can and do apologize for that if it upset you.

Anyway, this thread isn't about you, or me, or Jerdog, or JJD. That's my point and why I posted.

Both of us now are robbing the community of the discussion that has been brought to them to have, by spinning this thread far off course. We've all said our piece, have we not? Others should have a chance.

But it's obvious my words aren't helping here, so do what you must.

I'll bow out. Cheers!
[General Topics] mazwoz:
Neo,

Please, if you guys can't take any feedback about what the true issues are... Shut down the thread and do what you guys have always done; sweep it all under the rug and act like it never happened.
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Well said Neo. It's such a shame that a great idea, an olive branch whatever you want to call it gets totally derailed at every opportunity. I really was hoping this would be a constructive thread
[General Topics] mazwoz:
Wow, thanks for adding to the off topic posts.

BTW, this type of comment would typically be deleted by a mod with an infraction if a user did it after a mood said stay on topic. Again, hypocrisy. Also, nice job trying to gang up on someone giving legit concerns.

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It's clear XDA didn't want to hear about or address the actual issues.

It's late here and I have to get up early. I'm done with all of this.
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All i can say is i find it sad you feel that way
[General Topics] Mazda:
You guys wanted feedback but now you want everyone to shut the **** up....

Bravo!!!!

XDA has once again proven that is never going to change a damn thing because every time someone says anything wrong or puts all the dirty and corrupted things out there, the gang of senior moderators show up to tell everyone how they're wrong for doing so and how EVERYTHING can be handed via PM hahaha

This place is a joke.

Neo I had a small amount of respect for you but is gone. You've proven that you're just like the rest of them. With Darth I expected no less than what he's shown here. He'll sell out his own to move up the ranks. He's got no spine but you Neo, I expected more since you know you're a developer and all.

You should really go ahead and lock the thread now. You've shown that you only want feedback BUT ONLY if it doesn't make you all look bad.
[General Topics] mazwoz:
Have you read anything I've posted on this thread? I was the first to lay out problems with the corruption, I got no attention or responses. As soon as Mazda does the same, he's berated and ganged up on. Please go back through the whole thing and actually read everything. Once you do, please PM me, so as not to continue to clutter this thread, and we can discuss this like adults.
[General Topics] Mazda:
That's too hard man! God forbid he forms his own opinion. Is easier to just kiss ass and cosign on the censorship that Neo and Darth started.
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I've read every post in this thread and my inbox is always open to anyone who wants to discuss anything. As far as i can see no one is being ganged up on we are just trying to ask for a constructive thread. The one thing we both agree on though is we should stop cluttering the thread so I'll leave it at that
[General Topics] mazwoz:
Hahaha, you know me. I hold no punches when people are obviously wrong and only contributing to the problem.
[General Topics] Neo:
No, we wanted feedback on the topic of the thread, not more butthurt from you Alex... I can't say that I didn't expect this kind of reaction. I mean, I did say you'd do it...

To be honest though, you know respect works both ways, that it isn't an entitlement, and that it's earned. Let's not pretend that we've done anything to have earned any respect from each other aside from civility in a few chats; I'm not pretending.

You know I see everything here and I've been itching for a long time be the first to "mic drop" with the truth :)

For the rest of you reading, I don't fault you in the least for coming to his aid and defending him vehemently. Ignorance is bliss they say, and you're only acting on what you see and know.

So, sadly, in an effort to keep conversation focused on the OP's intent, I will be that guy who cleans up the mess about how Alex was "wronged"

Peace
[General Topics] mazwoz:
If you can't see it, then there is no point in discussing it even further. All I'll say is that if you aren't ganging up on anyone, then what was the point of several moderators coming in here to tell one user to stay on topic, including you?

Does it take more than one moderator to handle this? Was there any point in you joining in? If the answer to either or both is no, then it's obviously ganging up. Sad that moderators are doing that, especially when it's to protect the corruption.

You sir are not with PMing on this topic.

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Wow, thanks for calling me ignorant. Just another example of abuse from a moderator. "Ignorance is bliss" when referring to a person or group of people is calling them ignorant and is offensive. Thanks for that. I'll be reporting that, just so you are aware.
[General Topics] Mazda:
Typical XDA, hiding corruption.

Now I'm this and that but hey let's ignore that one of your own is corrupted is screwing people over.

Good job Neo. Oh and look,seems like you got the approval of JJD hahaha classic
[General Topics] sykopompos:
I would highly disagree with cleaning up any post here and would advise against it.

This is turning into a pissing match now but cleaning it up would most likely be adding fuel to a fire
[General Topics] mazwoz:
And the last two pages including where neo just insulted me are gone. Funny how that happens. A moderator makes a mistake and the posts get deleted. Good thing I reported it before it got deleted.

Oh, and this is the exact censorship that we were told would not happen in this thread. Laughing so hard right now.
[General Topics] Mazda:
Hahahaha seems XDA doesn't want people to know how corrupted Jerdog truly is

Good job Neo! I'm sure Jerdog will give you a cookie and pat on the head now!
[General Topics] mazwoz:
But they did it anyway. And people wonder why Mazda and I have been claiming corruption.
[General Topics] Neo:
I insulted you? That's a stretch there bud.. You were told you wouldn't get banned, haha. No that I wouldn't clean up the Mazda crying again about what happened to him. Seriously, keep on topic. :)
[General Topics] mazwoz:
Off Topic
[General Topics] pstevep:
ohai.

Everyone needs to chill out. Moderators, developers, users, whom ever. Everyone take a step back from whatever device they are typing on and breathe.

[MENTION=1289361]Mazda[/MENTION] you know me. I've never said a disparaging word about you, I've actually stood up for you (ask around). No one is trying to stifle you, with the exception that this isn't the thread for what your complaints are. Your first post had some terrific feedback and I appreciate that. I would like us to get back to that conversation, which is why everyone is here. I understand your feelings of frustration, and honestly if I were in your position I probably would also. But by continuing down the line of communication that this thread is currently on, you are giving a self fulfilling prophesy. You are baiting people to delete posts, to close the thread, to ban you, but you are being unreasonable in the process, thus putting people in a position to where you can say either "I told you so" or "They don't have the balls to do anything". If you would like to voice your frustrations about moderators please do, but please go about it in a way that is better.

@ moderation team - please for the love of God leave it alone unless you have something that needs to be said about XDA's sharing policy

@ everyone else - I would greatly appreciate it if we could get back to conversation that was taking place before things took a very drastic left turn. If anyone else would like to complain about the moderation staff, please use the proper channels to do so. I am on the Moderator Committee and we take all reports seriously. But as someone else mentioned, we get a surprisingly low number of them considering all the angst against some of them.

this thread is an attempt to make our community better. please as a community let's have this conversation.

k thnx bai
[General Topics] mazwoz:
Nope, now neo is deleting all of my comments where I call him out. This is why developers are leaving and this is why people have lost faith in XDA. Very little had to do with the possible rule changes discussed in the OP.

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Ok, back on topic:

XDA rule changes on code and releases need to be adjusted to protect actual developers. Donations should be 100% limited to the current donate button in the profile. Rules should be enforced across the board and consistently, not based on personal feelings or interpretation. If moderators cannot tell the difference in code, they need to be taught or should not be making the call. More moderators need to be developers as this will ease tension.

I still believe that rule changes, while necessary won't fix the underlying root cause, but it's a start.

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This is because past experiences in this site have taught us that nothing will be corrected and things won't change. I thought you would have figured that out by all of the anger and talk of corruption.
[General Topics] Char_G:
Cookies anyone? :p
[General Topics] Mazda:
So by deleting posts, that's gonna fix something? That just shows that XDA doesn't give a ****.

Neo, Darth and the kiss ass that was following them around came in with the clear intention of shutting **** down. Bravo!!!! They've shown that XDA is not a place to voice your opinions.

Now you want people to just ignore that and ignore the corruption?

Darth came in here with his smartass remarks.

Neo followed up by trying to bully me into shutting up and that other kiss ass just kept on saying 'me too' like someone cared what he had to say.

Deleting posts is not going to silence or make things better.

You guys believe the bull**** you're typing here, look into Jerdog. Look at how my **** was handled. You start there and move on to other corrupted ass hats. You do that, developers will take notice. It'll show you give a ****.

BUT NO, is easier to delete posts and try to get brownie points from JJD as he's just 'thanking' posts but not saying **** lol
[General Topics] sykopompos:
I'll say it because I see it, I'm literally watching posts get removed as soon as they are being posted.

Guess I better get my camping gear ready and taking a trip to the office tomorrow
[General Topics] mazwoz:
Which, in my opinion, is not conducive to creating a stronger relationship between moderators and developers.
[General Topics] pstevep:
I'm not sure if you are calling me a name in all of this or not. But honestly I don't care.

I believe that what is being worked on is real change. It's a real effort to have open dialogue with all the developers on this site. Not to just rehash your situation.

I do know everything that went on with you, I don't know if you remember it or not, but I've been around here since you were on the OG Evo. I stepped in when you claimed another moderator was plotting against you. Again, I've done nothing but stand up for you.

Everyone gets it. Jerdog is a ****. No one is disputing that. But this also isn't the thread to talk about it. Not every developer on here has had the same experience with him as you. Not every developer hates him. Most users don't even know he exists. Believe me, there is stuff that will be talked about after all of this washes through. I can't make any promises to what will happen, because I'm not in the position to make those promises.

I can tell you this, the moderators will leave well enough alone in this thread and let the conversation happen. If you want to report jerdog, please file it with the committee. The same with any other moderator on the site, report them to the committee, that's why it's there.

you want to see change, make the change where you have the option to. it makes other avenues easier to use.
[General Topics] pstevep:
believe it or not, that actually doesn't help the conversation.

the post you are referring to is still there.

I understand you are part of the dev relations team and you have had my full support in what you are doing, but please keep this on topic.
[General Topics] Char_G:
Sometimes when tempers flare, it's better to take a break and calm down for a bit before continuing. Seems like this thread is at that point. Just my opinion