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[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] 954wrecker:
Unlocked US version will work on every network with every band possible. The carrier versions it gets tricky as far as what bands they have and the 2 GSM ones wont work with the 2 CDMA companies. The Sprint one probably won't work on Verizon. The Verizon definitely won't work on Sprint. This whole mess is dumb they shouldn't be allowed to get away with this BS anymore.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
Don't blame the h/w providers, blame the carriers. CDMA is used in about eighteen countries and usually by one or two of multiple carriers in those countries. The rest are all GSM. Most of the major CDMA carriers are already in the process of phasing out CDMA in favor of going all LTE. VZW is retiring CDMA by 2019 and will be 100% LTE for voice and data. The Canadian carriers are migrating faster than that. A single modem can now support myriad GSM and LTE frequencies. When everyone's on some combination of GSM and LTE network incompatibility will be greatly minimized.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] KennyLG123:
Just remember tmo uses a unlock app on their devices. To where if you are on a different carrier wanting to buy a tmo s8 getting it sim unlock is extra steps...been through this already with tmo. Its a $$$$$$ game. I always buy international devices now with exynos chips. But if you buy service with tmo for 45 days the app will unlock the device. Just giving a heads up......lol
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
Sure have.

Are you talking about the exynos bootloader or the snapdragon being locked though in this particular post?

Still waiting for you to show me a thread on the magic twrp which unlocked the exynos note 7 bootloader too....im sure you have had time to eat a few bags of apples by now.

Sent from my Note 7, S7 Edge or S6

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Very little unfortunately

Sent from my Note 7, S7 Edge or S6
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cantenna:
My phone does a ton more because of root... 710+ installed apps more...

Anyways i just bought an s8+.. if it come with an unlockable bootloader ill simply return it and buy an s7
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] seh6183:
Your phone does "a ton more" with root, yet you couldn't name a single thing other than the 710 apps you have. Man I bet every single one of those apps are useful.... I mean because there are at least 644 useful apps on the playstore, I just looked it up.

The s8+ Is and always will be locked and if you find a way to unlock it you will trip knox.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cantenna:
Their useful to me! I guess for your ignorance is bliss!

Enjoy knox!
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] seh6183:
Uh.... have a great life lol
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cantenna:
But further to this, xposed and certainly viper4android, can't live without.

If i want knox feature, and i may in the future, ill buy one of their nice watches.

But knox on android phones... not on my phone! Call me old fashioned but its not android unless it has root and an unlocked bootloader...

I dont have any lyalilties to Samsung either... The second their phones stop being what i deem to be a fundamental android device, ill will shop elsewhere! But untill then, i buy them because they, up until the S7 Exynos, still are an android device with the best hardware.

I mean really, i just dont get why someone would buy a samsung phone with intent to not root or install a custom rom? If thats not your cup of tea you are way better off with an apple device; far better LTS for security and their app store is way more robust! I just dont see the market for a samsung phone without root, i just dont get it!?

1 year after the ekgc-200 galaxy camera 2 was released stagefright exploit went live, samsung never patched the exploit!? This would not happen with apple.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] seh6183:
I can barely understand your ramblings. I hate to burst your bubble but xposed doesn't work with Android 7.0. Also i think most don't want to give up their warranties and samsung pay to use viper. That's where the problem is.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Phredeee:
I used to think that way. After living with my Note 7 I thought not being able to root wasn't so bad. Samsung Pay is the deciding factor for me. If not for that I would be looking at a G6 or Pixel XL. Is it as flexible as the old way of rooting? No. Is it as inflexible as one of those fruity phones? No. It is somewhere in between with some other advanced features. Things evolve.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] eichenberg:
Can you two please take your married couple bickering to PM please. This is not adding any value to the thread.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] seh6183:
Yea because this thread is cram packed full of value. The title of the thread is a total lie to begin with and everything else is just whining and speculation. What were you hoping to come from this thread? A bootloader unlock that doesn't trip knox? Maybe the xposed developer will come in here and read all this value and decide to make xposed work for Android 7.0 too.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] 954wrecker:
The title is ridiculous. You can ask a dog or cat and get a more accurate answer than asking anyone employed by samsung. Everyone with half a brain knows the bootloader is locked on the S8 and S8+.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
Well sure most normal people dont want to give up warranty and perhaps pay thats true.

But dude i think your forgetting where your posting...this is a development forum where most of us could care less about warranty or knox...you are the minority here.

Why are you here anyway if you arent into development? Just to preach about warranty and knox lol?

Sent from my Note 7, S7 Edge or S6
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
Back in the day of dual core SoCs, 1GB of RAM, and ridiculously heavy overlays rooting was a must to get any reasonable performance out of your phone. When HTC was still a player I rooted and ROM'd my heart out to get EU Sense features that were maimed or missing because of the heavy hand of U.S. carriers. That was then, this is now.

The performance differences between a modded phone and standard is negligible. Any differences are measured in milliseconds when you're talking beastly SoCs with 4+GB of RAM. You can disable or uninstall 99% of what you don't want or use leaving your completely stock phone relatively clean.

Both Google and Samsung have made security a priority to protect increasingly sensitive (and valuable on the dark web) data; especially surrounding mobile payments. As hacking tools and methods become more sophisticated so will Google and Samsung's steps to protect the data of their aggregate user bases. Samsung putting Apple-class h/w security on the Exynos 8895 is a good example of that.

Rooting and ROM'ing is a hobby and nothing more. It's no different than playing with the intake and exhaust of your car to try and get better performance or just to make your car "special" compared to the throngs of like cars on the road. I've been on XDA since 2009 and there's a marked difference in the membership and audience. While XDA used to be 70-80% "modders" and 20-30% neophytes that's changed. Between increased phone performance reducing the need to customize and enhanced security making it more difficult more people are leaving their phones alone. 2/3 of the conversations on XDA's general forums are pure Q&A and exchanges about tweaks and enhancements that don't require root.

A lot of people in the U.S. have turned to imported phones. Not necessarily to root them but to get them without carrier bloat and to see updates in this lifetime. I've had AT&T phones for the past three years after formerly importing my phones. For the S8+ I'm importing again for the reasons just indicated. That and I'm buying it outright and the UK version is actually cheaper.

So here we are in 2017. A mixed crowd where peaceful cohabitation should be the rule of the day.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] meathammer386:
free wifi tether
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cantenna:
I think the advantages that root brings on a phone outweigh by a landside the advantages knox and samsung pay bring to the table and if i need those services ill just buy a gear watch because there is absolutely no point of custom roms and root on a watch.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] seh6183:
And there you have it. Laid out in plain English. This is the explanation to end the argument once and for all.

Foxfi. No root needed.

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Yet you continually fail to mention even one single thing beyond "viper" that is worth rooting for. Read the previous post to yours.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] meathammer386:
i said free wifi tether foxfi you have to pay to unlock or it shuts down
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cantenna:
Not that I continually fail to mention, theres just too many reasons to mention really to be bothered...

Heres one though, tasker and secure settings xposed plugin, there is literally a ton of bugs ive encountered were touch wiz lossese settings and fails to be reliable on my s7 edge, ive created a number of tasks using tasker with secure settings xposed to add redundency to re-apply setting i want to remain applied by touch wiz os.

I prefer unlocked bootloader because while sammy makes good hardware, they seem to fail epically in software support and security updates beyond a year, i have a Galaxy S4 that still runs the latest security patches and is useful today for no other reason than root an an unlocked bootloader (and xda)

I want this functionalty so i dont piss away 1500.00 with a device that isnt supported in a years time.

And yes i know xposed doesnt exist right now but it will exist if bootloader is unlocked and if it isnt and cant be, then i buy a pixel because im not a fool.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] seh6183:
Sigh. You can't pay a few bucks to support a great app huh? Just have to have everything for free? Sounds great. Also I don't use foxfi. I tether all the time with tmobile though the stock settings. Never have a problem. Foxfi would come into play when you tether an insane amount and tmobile starts warning you. However for the casual person who tethers occasionally there won't be any issues right out of the box.

Sorry to hear that 7 dollars will break the bank for you. Interesting you would pay 900 dollars for a phone but 7 bucks for an app is totally out of the question.....
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Termynat0r:
I have never in my life seen any place in Germany where you can pay with Samsung Pay. The same with Google or Apple Pay, so I think this is more of a US handicap
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
And others may think differently. That doesn't make you right and them wrong or vice versa.

And it doesn't exist because of tightened security Google implemented in Nougat. Everyone previously turned to Exynos for its unlockable bootloader. It'll be interesting to see if the h/w level security Samsung's added to 8895 still allows the bootloader to be unlocked. You don't implement h/w level security for nothing.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] seh6183:
Hahahahhahahahahah. You don't know any about samsung pay apparently LOL Research MST
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
Half of these purchases were made in the EU...
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Termynat0r:
Only a genius like you could conclude that I don't know anything about samsung pay when I explicitly said I have never even seen a opportunity to even use it ... "LOL"

I hereby congratulate you wholeheartedly for your success in purchasing things with samsung pay in the EU which Germany is indeed part of.

I just said I have never seen an opportunity or even a "We accept Samsung Pay"-sign anywhere. How are you supposed to know how to use this niche payment system if you don't research this?

EDIT: Also if you take a close look at this german information about Samsung Pay (http://www.samsung.com/de/apps/mobile/galaxyapps/samsung-pay/) you will close to the bottom notice that it says "Only available in Korea, USA, China, Spain, Australia, Singapore, Puerto Rico, Brasil".... sooo I don't know about you but for me the only country out of these which is part of the EU is Spain.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] 954wrecker:
You just confirmed you dont even have a clue what samsung pay is. We dont have signs in the USA for samsung pay either....IT JUST WORKS.... It's not like android or apple pay it doesnt need the business to have any special equipment and it does not use NFC
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Dr. Fed:
Hmmm....I'll believe it when I see it. Many times the rep you're chatting with doesn't know squat. Still, we can hope this is true.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] seh6183:
Rather than taking the 5 seconds it takes to research MST on Google, you further embarrassed yourself with your zero knowledge and also dug yourself into a now 12 foot hole which you have no escape from. You should probably just take off from this thread and hope no one recognizes your name in future posts LOL
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Termynat0r:
I literally confirmed that I have no clue but take a look at my EDIT nevertheless.

I really like the ability of people in this thread telling my that I have zero knowledge after me asking for information because I have zero knowledge. But you kept on trolling in this thread for the last 5 pages so won't take it a bit seriously.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] seh6183:
I'll do you a favor. Samsung pay (MST) simulates a card swipe. The card reader has no idea that you didn't just swipe your card. You can use it on a debit card reader from 1996. You're welcome.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Termynat0r:
THANK YOU. I'm just wondering why they said it would only be available in some countries, maybe it's region or software locked for us.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] seh6183:
There is the slight chance that when you try to add your card they try to block you from doing that do to your locale, but if you were to get around that and just get your card added, you could use it freely. They cannot stop you once it's up and running.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Phredeee:
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amen
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cantenna:
here in Australia the banks use their own pay apps that are actually cheeper to use then samsung pay. They also work with root.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] seh6183:
Every single thing you have said is complete and total non sense. I can't even make out what you are saying half the time man. PLEASE STOP POSTING COMPLETELY AND JUST TRY READING INSTEAD.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cantenna:
No and it is so clear to all who have had the experiance I have had that you are full of utter nonsense; making comments based on a total lack of experiance.

Enjoy:)
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
Dude...your the one who said twrp unlocked the bootloader on the exynos note 7 lol....now thats nonsense.

Sent from my Note 7, S7 Edge or S6
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] seh6183:
You know nothing.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] mocsab:
I too would like this to be true, but unfortunately this level of support doesn't konw what we are talking when we say LOCKED BOOTLOADER. Honestly, they are thinking only about phones being unlocked as in LOCKED TO A CARRIER - a buck to a donut that US Varients will be locked.

My biggest concern is about International - the International phones have been the only ones to avoid getting locked and some say that may be because SAMSUNG PAY wasn't universally avaialble. Now that it is near for areas that have not had it before, we may end up getting the G950F Locked too - I sure hope not...
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
Lol...

I called you out twice on your magical twrp to prove it and shut me up and you did nothing.

If what you said was true you could show me.

Sent from my Note 7, S7 Edge or S6

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Yeah thats going to suck if the exynos gets locked...

Sent from my Note 7, S7 Edge or S6
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
Apparently more Samsung Pay users have figured it out then Android Pay users. If Samsung Pay's a niche, what's Android Pay?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Phredeee:
Not sure the area included in this data, but I can say that Samsung Pay is way more popular in my local area than Apple Pay even though there are many more iPhones.

It's all about not having the point of sale machines and Samsung Pay working at existing ones. I know in SoCal there are many more Apple Pay places 'cuz I saw the signs. Never in my life have I seen a sign about Samsung Pay :) :) That is the beauty of it. It just works no signs needed. It has a huge WOW factor.

For me personally if Android Pay was more available I would take a longer look at other phones. They way it is I only look out of curiosity.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] SBERG117:
Force, you'd have more luck trying to reason with a empty coffee cup...lol
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] meathammer386:
thats you not me
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Josh McGrath:
Back on topic.. sorta... I'm being ignored by Des on Twitter, so we all know what that means. Same thing with the S7 "if we ignore it, it will go away"
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cantenna:
I think the most entertaining thing you said was viper4android was easily replaced by an external amp....

Wow, viper4android support is so important, it makes such a signaficant difference, i will buy only hardware thst supports it. google really needs to just buy out the dev for rights... its that good. Its crazy google hasnt embeded it in google os... If google does that apple is toast. The audio viper4android produces is wow! If google offers viper4android with all it customization in its os then i might consider a cage environment. Music is life! Viper4android alone carys with it every winnning argument for root! I will unconditionally dump the S8+ if i cant have viper4android... seriosuly!! External amp is an utter joke you really cannot conpare the two and viper4android, 4 the love of music, defeats anything knox offers hands down!

Sorry i rant, lol, but some serious dementated opinions here against root and unlocked bootloaders, where is this kool-aid coming from??
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] vibrantliker:
OMG. I couldn't have said that better. Having v4a is THE top priority for me. Why I'll probably wait for the next one+. (Currently on LG V20). Don't get me wrong, I love a new Samsung phone but having the ability to listen to music the way viper allows is invaluable for me. Been a rootable Note user for years.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
Congratulations. That's the first sensible reason I've seen in this thread for wanting/needing the bootloader unlocked and/or root. But here's the deal. We know S-835 versions of the S8 won't be unlockable. With the h/w security Samsung's added to 8895 it might not either. If

all

S8s end up locked down those needing an unlocked bootloader or root have a simple solution. Don't buy them.

Einstein's definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different outcome. Rather than waste time and energy lamenting or trying to change Samsung's decisions on security buy a phone from a vendor that still offers the flexibility you're seeking. In the case of Viper you have a choice - buy the S8 for all the features and advances it bring and give up Viper -or- give that up to get Viper support.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
I couldn't agree more.

Unfortunately people will still buy devices they know are locked and they will still whine and complain about it after lol.

Such is life I suppose

Sent from my Note 7, S7 Edge or S6
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cantenna:
Right, i bought an 8895... so...

Wanted that vr deal... Anyways, not like i cant return it... ill probably just buy anothr exynos S7 Edge if i do which suits my needs fine.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
We don't know for sure but something's up...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11149/samsung-announces-exynos-8895-soc-10nm​

You don't go to the lengths of adding h/w level security to an SoC for giggles. For those that

absolutely

have to have root and/or an unlocked bootloader it's probably sensible to wait and see if the 8895 can be rooted/unlocked instead of being first in line for an $800 disappointment.

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The Samsung KNOX/locked bootloader "thing" has been going on for two years. There are still folks that won't buy a phone without an FM radio, IR blaster, or removable battery. The new wave of missing features people are mourning includes flat displays, square display corners, a 3.5mm jack, and non-glass construction. The times they are a changing. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ShadowDXS:
Sad but true. It seems to be the money maker these days. And to the companies that are still trying new things, they get greeted with trolls and bad press.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cantenna:
There is speculation here that Samsung may have shackled android on S8 Exynos to such an extent that is no longer able to function in the same capacity compared to its predecessors and/or other android devices... Anyways Australia has a law that states you are entitled to a refund if the device you purchase does not "do what they are meant to do..."
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] androidbuff123:
okay folks.. here is the deal.

1. Bootloader will not come unlocked... it doesn't matter what level of technical help you got.. those guys don't have a clue. I will shave the hair off my head if the US phones (or even an international one for that matter) comes with unlocked bootloader.. not happening.. period.

2. There is a group that loves to root/mod their phones.. Personally, to me, I hate the frigging ads! and that is my #1 reason to root... Back when HTC ruled the roost, rooting was important because you really needed to root your device to get some decent experience out of it when android was just horribly buggy... .... but nowadays it really isn't required. Google, Samsung and Touchwiz have come a long way.. Use package disabler pro to disable apps you don't want intruding your experience.. You'll also find little success with some adblocking apps out there on certain browsers..

3. If you are buying a Samsung phone in the US and not using Samsung Pay or willing to do something to your phone that will gimp all of Samsung Pay/Knox features.. then it's a shame..

4. I can understand the need for SIM unlocked phones.. but I don't believe that an unlocked bootloader is typically necessary. Yes, we all would LOVE unlocked bootloader, custom roms, root etc AND have all the original features of the phone.. but you can also use a nexus or pixel for that....

5. The S8/S8+ will be a good phone without any out of the box customization/mod. Give the manufacturer a chance.. TRY the phone just the way the manufacturer intended it... yea I know the carriers think they know better.. but screw them. Disable all of the carrier bloatware if you want to.. but use the phone just the way the manufacturer intended you to use the hardware and software.. there is some benefit to that .