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[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] scribbles92:
Being that Samsung is serious about being a big player on the Exchange side of things, KNOX is baked into the OS and I cannot see them unlocking the bootloader for unlocked devices. While I completely believe you were told those things in confidence I have pretty much seen first hand how misinformation or even disinformation from some people can be conveyed just to give you a quick answer to be done with you and move on. I stood in a local TMo store in SoCal last year to look at some phones and get my son a phone and a Rep from LG was just hanging out in the store talking to whomever had questions about LG phones while carrying the yet unreleased G5.

Long story short, he let me hold the device and I asked him a few questions. One in particular, "...will the bootloader be unlocked?" He then said, wow you ask some good questions, let me call and find out. He stood right there and dialed someone to give him the answer (I could here the person on the other end so it wasn't him pretending to call somebody). Took about 10secs... The Rep told me, "no, the bootloader isn't locked...". That very next week, the G5 came out and I ended up ordering online from TMo. The fact of the matter is, that bootloaderWAS locked and I waited 3 painstaking months to be able to root it. I felt lied to... I would have never bought that phone knowing that it was locked. The G3 that I got in 2014 was unlocked so I had no reason to not believe him... I was pissed and although I'm not gonna place the blame all on him because he called someone to ask but I'll never believe another Rep ever again so, we'll see but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you...
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] DeathShot9:
I don't mean to be rude, but did you mean to quote my message? Because it specifically said that those phones are NEVER getting an unlocked boot-loader in the US. I mean, I was pretty certain of it to begin with, but I've asked anyways and the answers I kept getting were no. And these are people I KNOW, know what boot-loaders are, because I've seen their phones, and we've talked about our custom roms and our modding adventures, and their eyes don't glaze over when I show them my Ubuntu MATE live USB compiling android.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
I think he was agreeing with you and adding his own experiences/information to your post.

I've done that before, not to answer a question or retorts, but to vehemently AGREE. And then the person I'm agreeing with gets confused. :) because they're expected a difference of opinion or something...
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] samccfl99:
I for one will never buy a non-rootable android phone. My almost 3 year old G900-A, rooted with (5.0) custom rom (yes, it should have been a T, but I did not know at the time) still works fine and has a removable battery! Still no way to unlock the BL EVEN on an ATT S5, even though every other variant has been cracked.

Googley & Shamsung & ATT pretty much killed modern android dev on USA phones...Sad.

Cheapest NEW G950-F currently $719 (YIKES!)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Gal...hash=item2f02bc8d5e:m:mxHf7iW6d6RMlsIIdZWrbuQ

Cheapest NEW G935-F currently $530 (STILL TOO EXPENSIVE)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Gal...253551?hash=item2eec7f2e6f:g:0JkAAOSwAuNW3Hm-
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] DeathShot9:
Heh, after reading your comment and re-reading the reply to mine with that mindset it makes sense. I've just been on the internet for too long man, I need to get out, but there are no doors, only windows with a bone shattering, organ liquifiing​ drops... ;)
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] this.guy.lol:
If the G955U unlocked from bestbuy comes unlocked ill get one. But incase it hasn't been announced already, having a bootloader unlocked and Samsung pay not working is BS and whoever said that needs to loosen their helmet a bit. I'm on the G955F with magisk 12 and I got all the apps that break working. Had the G935F with the same setup and everything worked. Even samsungpay and snapchat.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Josh McGrath:
Sorry won't let me slim down the quoted

The LG rep was correct. The TMobile g5 boot was unlocked (unlockable) but LG removed fastboot commands.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] namsir:
Hell to the freaking yeah......bought unlocked s8+......i made the right decision......rarely happens...lol
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] noahattic:
so i have read this post multiple times.

So the North American model (US/Canada) can never get unlocked bootloader S8/S+ i guess, but is it still possible to unlock the bootloader?

I am using note 5 with exyno chipset and i can see there are way more dev supports in S7 / S7+ since they do have snapdragon models.

I m wondering which chipset has more dev supports?? Exyno or Snapdragon?

I just cannot live without rooting my phone.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] galaxys:
You need Exynos which has an unlocked Bootloader! Snapdragon had no way to unlock it's Bootloader...
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] noahattic:
Thx, pal.

have to look for a reliable shop to buy the international version now.... i m thinking of getting the dual sim version, since.... extra functionality!!!

would it be an issue for future dev development?? i mean the dual sim version can share the same rom to the single sim one?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] galaxys:
Should be no issue with the dual...
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] p3ernie:
Ok just to clarify, the new unlocked s8 phones for the US avail for pre order will NOT have an unlockable BL?

Will these unlocked snapdragon s8's have better data and voice coverage than the Exynos version?

I am trying to figure out the best s8 model that will be on Verizon that I can root. I don't care too much about switching carriers.

Any thoughts?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] 954wrecker:
You need a snapdragon with sprint and verizon. The exynos just wont work right for cdma providers since they are gsm unlocked phones.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
to be even more clear, as of right now there is no root for any US snapdragon s8/s8+ and the Unlocked US version willalso most likely be BL locked as well
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] lesdense:
Let me ask nearly the same question that's being discussed here but from a different perspective. I'm long-time Verizon but I'm about to jump ship to T-Mobile. It's bad enough that Verizon-compatible phones are so damn hard to unlock the bootloader and/or get root while sometimes the International (GSM) versions of the same phones have bootloaders that you can unlock in Settings by flipping a switch! Worse yet, if you have Verizon you just plain can't USE some of the more interesting phones out there these days, like the ZTE Axon 7, the Huawei Mate 9 Pro or any of the OnePlus models.

So, my first T-Mobile-ish question is -- "if you buy a phone that has an Exynos chipset rather than a Qualcomm chipset (like the Samsungs) do you AUTOMATICALLY know that the bootloader will be easily unlockable or do you still have to check specifically to make sure the Exynos chipset phone you want is bootloader unlockable?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] 954wrecker:
Exynos are all easily unlockable, rootable, and T-Mobile compatible
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] p3ernie:
Thank you that's what I needed clarification on. This whole thread is confusing because someone said the 950U is able to be rooted and I thought maybe they were referring to the unlocked version...
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
No this title of this thread is exactly the opposite of the truth. In the beginning we tried to tell the op that, but he vehemently insisted several layers of customer service specifically told him the U.S. bootloader would be unlocked. (Not carrier unlocked, not SIM card unlocked, but bootloader unlocked.) We told him then they were WRONG.

This was before the phone was released, but even then we knew the difference between Snapdragon and Exynos variants. The real question back then wasn't whether the Snapdragon would be bootloader locked, but whether Exynos would also be...

Since then the thread has been resurrected many times by people hoping the title was true. And lots of educational information has been imparted... but the title is and always has been false. We all knew this BEFORE the S8/S8+ was even released.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] 954wrecker:
Should be a warning as to how dumb customer service and tech support and anyone who believes them are.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
he is talking about the US unlocked version shich hasnt released yet.. i do agree the title is incirrect and sammy reps are garbage lol but my question is, i though the US unlocked version didnt launch until tom or something at best buy?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
Read my post again. The answer is there.

The answer has been known even before any S8/S8+ launch. Any.

I specifically mentioned carrier unlocked versions. Go back and read.

NO SAMSUNG BOOTLOADER UNLOCK FOR SNAPDRAGON VERSION.

Some dev team like Sunshine may do something with an exploit, but we're talking about user bootloader unlock option from Samsung.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
You didn't read my post.. I know all the US variants have locked bootloaders but OP is referring to the US "SIM Unlocked" S8 devices which are not released yet and you are referring to it in your post as if it is already released and yes, it will also have a locked bootloader.. was just advising that it's not yet released
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
I've answered three times. I don't care whether it's been released or not. It will NOT be bootloader unlocked. But it HAS BEEN RELEASED.

And I referenced ALL SNAPDRAGON MODELS. I pointed out we knew this before any release. So, it still holds. I specifically said in my post whether carrier unlocked, sim card unlocked whatever. NO Snapdragon models (which have to be U.S. due to CDMA carriers in the U.S.) will have bootloader unlock. Thus, the title to this thread is false, always has been and always will be.

Not sure what you are arguing about.

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It was released or at least available for preorder 9 days ago.

You can now buy an unlocked Samsung Galaxy S8 in the U.S.

Posted May 9, 2017

https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/09/you-can-now-buy-unlocked-samsung-galaxy-s8-in-the-us/

Samsung surprises with early release of unlocked Galaxy S8

You can now buy a fully unlocked Galaxy S8 and S8+ for $725 and $825, respectively, through Best Buy and Samsung.com.

MAY 9, 2017 6:56 AM PT

http://www.greenbot.com/article/319...with-early-release-of-unlocked-galaxy-s8.html
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
lol i am not arguing it will be bootloader locked which i clearly indicated..

you were responding earlier as if the US unlocked variant was already released and I was letting you and everyone else know it is NOT RELEASED yet, simple as that..

pre orders do not count as being released by any means, get off your high horse lol, everyone already attacked the OP and made it clear his information is completely inacurate just as you implying the US Sim unlocked variant was already released was inacurate..

ill leave it at that
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
Nothing I said was incorrect and I'll leave it at that. We knew none of the Snapdragon S8/S8+ models would have bootloader unlock before ANY were released. I've said it several times now, and I can keep copying and pasting that as much as you want.

You see hung up on that the carrier unlocked version isn't in anyone's hands yet, and that doesn't matter. I specifically said those would also not be bootloader unlocked.

Yet at the same time you admit they won't be bootloader unlocked. So, you seem to be saying I'm saying something incorrectly and I'm not.

My copy and paste fingers are ready.

This is the post I wrote, to which you started this VERY strange argument:

I stand by everything in this post and if you do not, then you either don't know what you are talking about or you are not reading it well. The OP was written back in February before ANY S8/S8+ were released and we are merely saying NONE of the Snapdragons would be bootloader unlocked and we knew that before ANY were ever released. We didn't have to wait until release to know that.

What we did have to wait until release was to see if the Exynos were bootloader locked, as there was speculation Samsung might do that this year.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xgerryx:
I would like to ask a simple question. I'm sorry if this is kind of stupid but the info on all of these variants is pretty messy at the moment. If I wanted to jump from my Moto x Pure to a Galaxy S8 and use it successfully in the US on AT&T, have an unlocked bootloader and root, which exactl model do I need to buy? Is there one that fulfills all of those things?

The unlocked (carrier) being sold on the Samsung site as a preorder seems like it would work. Am I missing something? It looks like the G950F lacks a couple relevant bands for LTE and 3G though. Uhg.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
only the international exynos models have unlocked BLs so any US model will not give you all of what you are looking for as they are all snapdragon devices

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LOL you need a day job man, calm down no need to get panties in a bunch.. you clearly do not understand what I am saying so no point in me responding to you again.

And to add, I clearly understand more than most ppl considering Ive owned every Samsung Galaxy device sibce the beginning (and other devices) as well as have contributed to the community for years and have been on multiple carriers as well as devices with unlocked bootloaders, locked bootloaders with root have utilized every mod/rom in the books and am an RC..

but its ok, i dont expect ppl to recognize my work with probably over a million views and over 100k downloads for my work to be recognized by anyone haha
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Josh McGrath:
This may be a stupid question, but has anyone tried flashing twrp, or anything before putting in a sim card for the first time?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
For what purpose?

Sim card has zero impact on locked BL status.

Sent from my S8 plus, Note 7, S7 Edge or S6
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
I understand clearly what you are saying and you are WRONG.

I really couldn't care how many downloads you have, etc. I've also written guides and have lots of thanks for my efforts. Just don't put words into my mouth and then try to correct those words.

I clearly said this:

Since you claim you know what you are talking about, then I guess you are not reading it well. :p

You are not comprehending or do not want to comprehend what I am saying. You are picking an argument on some non-existent point where you THOUGHT I said something I didn't. So here goes, copy and paste -- just like I promised. Maybe if you actually read it, really read it you will see.

__________

(copy and paste)

Nothing I said was incorrect and I'll leave it at that. We knew none of the Snapdragon S8/S8+ models would have bootloader unlock before ANY were released. I've said it several times now, and I can keep copying and pasting that as much as you want.

You see hung up on that the carrier unlocked version isn't in anyone's hands yet, and that doesn't matter. I specifically said those would also not be bootloader unlocked.

Yet at the same time you admit they won't be bootloader unlocked. So, YOU ARE AGREEING WITH ME while at the same time seem to be saying I'm saying something incorrectly and I'm not. You seem to have severe reading comprehension issues.

My copy and paste fingers are ready.

This is the post I wrote, to which you started this VERY strange argument:

I stand by everything in this post and if you do not, then you either don't know what you are talking about or you are not reading it well. The OP was written back in February before ANY S8/S8+ were released and we are merely saying NONE of the Snapdragons would be bootloader unlocked and we knew that before ANY were ever released. We didn't have to wait until release to know that.

What we did have to wait until release was to see if the Exynos were bootloader locked, as there was speculation Samsung might do that this year.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
you are a waste of breath.. you are the one blowing things out of proportion when all I asked was that if the US unlocked version was released yet as I didnt believe it was until today....

then you completely go off the charts about the bootloader again and again when i was never even arhuing about that..

so why dont you yourself learn to read before giving smart remarks and taking threads off topic if you cant answer a simple question to begin with because your stuck on your high horse trying to prove your snarter than random xda members such as the OP.

Any information you have is not classified information and like stated you already attacked the OP when the thread was created to argue with him as well about what he was told by samsung reps that most of us know is incorrect infofmation lol let him think what he wantsIand believe who he wants.. i clearly stated he wasnt referring to ANY carrier s8 ddvices and was spe ifically referring to the carrier unlocked version and asked when it was coming out.

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OH, and here, let me copy paste (you should try it) my original comment that you are so intensly arguing with me about lmao
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] sakohunter:
I think alot of people are getting confused with SIM unlock and bootloader unlock.

The us unlocked version coming out would be SIM unlocked. Unless they came with an exynos processor.

I don't see why Samsung would release both a locked snapdragon and an unlocked snapdragon.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
correct lol.. we all know it will be sim unlocked but OP was specifically trying to say it will have an unlocked BL which 99% of us know it will be locked lol.. i think it comes out today? not sure but then they can clearly show the op that is has a locked BL so he too can learn never listen to Samsung reps lol
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nathan.7118391:
(Opening the door and walking out) "Man it sucks in here. . ."
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Josh McGrath:
I'm just wondering if it locks via OS commands after a us based sim card is inserted. I highly doubt it, but just a thought.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
No it doesnt, locked when it leaves the factory, at least theres never been anything to say otherwise

If it was true there would be something we could work with to get root on snapdragons but having that happen is looking highly unlikely.

Sent from my S8 plus, Note 7, S7 Edge or S6
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] t12121:
Wanted to mention, got my s8 direct from Samsung, at&t model. I got the exynos version. With at&t software installed. Antutu states it's the exynos version.

Double checked, it's not the exynos version. Brain playing tricks on me again.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Acoustichayes:
Well yeah. You can order either model. It just took a little for the Exynos version to be available to the US.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] 954wrecker:
No chance I call BS from either antutu or you or both.

Not possible to order an Exynos AT&T phone from samsung.com in the USA.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Acoustichayes:
Woah woah. I was just saying you can buy an exynos version in general!
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] louisd:
What happened to the "Told You So"? I was quite looking forward to it.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Josh McGrath:
You just have to wait for it every year lol

T-Mobile V20
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ThePublisher:
Just bought my wife an unlocked S8 from samsung's trade in promotion. Great deal only paying $459 with tax and sending them back some old smartphone from my desk drawer. I would have gotten myself one, but I must have root. Dang you Samsung, dang you.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] golgothagecko:
Can a mod please change the subject of this post? It's very confusing because there is no unlocked bootloader.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
Well since everyone knows there is no unlocked bootloader it cant really be confusing lol.

Sent from my S8+, S7 edge or S6

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Just buy the exynos version, problem solved.:thumbup:

Sent from my S8+, S7 edge or S6
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ThePublisher:
I think an Exynos Note 8 is probably in my near future, or at least as soon as I can get one into the USA for a reasonable price.

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Just buy the exynos version, problem solved.:thumbup:

Sent from my S8+, S7 edge or S6[/QUOTE]
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
Right. It's like "THE WORLD IS FLAT!" threads over in the cartography forum. Everyone reads them for the humor, not because it's taken seriously in any way.

And has been said over and over, buy an Exynos variant if you want S8/S8+ unlocked bootloader. And you have to buy that from another country outside of U.S./Canada.

U.S./Canada only got the locked down Snapdragon variant.

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Not sure everyone saw your edit. ;)

Still not sure how you thought it was Exynos variant, but thank you for correcting.

Because another point of contention among people who didn't know better was U.S. customers could buy "unlocked" versions straight from Samsung and that unlocked definition would include bootloader. That's basically what the OP was saying...

These people were hoping carrier unlocked also meant bootloader unlocked, and we told them NO. They kept insisting we had to wait until the phones were actually shipped from Samsung to really know. No, we don't. We already knew.

The OP was written back in February before ANY S8/S8+ were released and we who knew better clearly said NONE of the Snapdragons would be bootloader unlocked and we knew that before ANY were ever released. We didn't have to wait until release (carrier models or those straight from Samsung for U.S. market) to know that.

What we did have to wait until release was to see if the Exynos were bootloader locked, as there was speculation Samsung might do that this year. Luckily they didn't lock those down.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] RiceHog:
Exynos Variant that work with Verizon in the US

So is there a Exynos variant that work with Verizon in the US? What would be the model I should search for?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
No, there is not an Exynos variant that will work with Verizon. BUT there is a bootloader unlock Snapdragon version that will work with Verizon... Hong Kong S8/S8+ has Snapdragon chipset and easily unlocked bootloader and now has TWRP. Comes with AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, and Sprint bands also.

https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=73054814
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] adam_ky:
This thread is irrelevant and should be closed and removed.