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[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
Oh, come on, it's fun to read. It's the forum equivalent of Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown.

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[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] billa:
Best info yet on this thread.

Thank you sir.

Case closed ya'll!!
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
When you think of a complete sentence, feel free to post it.

Or just trying to pad your post count in meaningless ways? :rolleyes:
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] BIG_BADASS:
Well, Android is technically Linux, and Linux has a root user, which is far more powerful than the standard user. Has a lot more permissions, etc. Think of the root user as the Linux equivalent of the Administrator account in Windows.

So to truly take control over your Linux device, you will need access to the root-user. And rooting just so happens to be 1000 times easier with an unlockable bootloader. Not saying it can't be accomplished with a locked bootloader, but it needs to have a vulnerability and exploit developed for it. That's how we got root on the bootloader locked LG devices.

Once you root the phone, install the bash shell and a terminal program, you have a fully functioning UNIX device, which is far more powerful than when the standard user uses it through the GUI
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
Why do you want to be admin of your home Windows computer?

Think of all the bloatware and trialware the OEMs put on. You can't renove that without being admin.

You don't "own" your computer unless you are admin. You have full control.

In fact, that's where "pwned!" came from, it was typo for "owned!"

Root=admin

Your Android smartphone is a powerful handheld computer. Until you have root, you don't really own it -- the carrier does or the manufacturer does. You paid several hundred dollars to RENT it.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Mysticales:
Lately that statement is more and more true... about us renting our own devices...

Example, smart tvs. Get a notice that one day "Due to licenses, we will be removing Skype from your TV" So even if you had something installed on devices. One day you wake up and its uninstalled.

Least with root. We block everything.

Also... giving this, because I blame Chazz.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
Here's an even better example with Samsung phones...

Not all the Note 7 phones last year were faulty. Many Note 7 owners loved their high-spec phablet phones and wanted to keep them. But due to PR fallout, Samsung issued a recall and then for holdouts Samsung decided to brick the devices unless they were all returned it to the REAL owner (Samsung).

Samsung the manufacturer was only able to brick the phones they had sold through pushing an OTA update. If your Note 7 was not rooted, then Samsung was able to fully control that phone and BRICK IT. Even though users had paid top dollar for their phone. Samsung STILL OWNED the phone.

Until you root your phone, you will never own your phone. It's not just about blocking ads or custom ROMs, it's about control.

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For those of you who missed this, there are Snapdragon S8/S8+ versions (with all U.S./Canada carrier bands) which have easily unlocked bootloader and TWRP:

Note this dev has both Verizon and AT&T SIM cards in his Snapdragon 835 S8/S8+ with UNLOCKED bootloader, root and TWRP custom recovery.

Swappa, eBay or Amazon is your friend. ;) You can sell your current locked down S8/S8+ and buy one that is easily unlocked, has all the carrier bands (including Verizon), and already has root and custom recovery TWRP.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] billa:
Looks like the best version for the US market which includes all our domestic bands would be the HK version, but according to its thread the HK reportedly is only rootable if flashed with the Chinese firmware version, and I haven't seen a *#0011# screen yet to confirm the fully working US VZW cdma/lte bands.

Hope that changes soon...
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
well technically on android there is a root "session" and a super user (similar to sudo).. so a bit different for sure
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] leeboski44:
At this point I'm wondering if the beneficial information in this thread outweighs the confusion its causing... :confused:

I do realize the OP seemed to have good intentions, but I would like to think that if I was the OP hopefully I would vote to lock it down. At the very least correct the title.

Just MHO
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
I don't think the OP cares. He hasn't posted on XDA since April and the last phone he discussed was the HTC A9.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
There is zero confusion.

Those of us with half a brain knew even before release the BL would be locked.

Once released it was proven to be locked.

Everyone at this point given its been out for months now should knows it locked. And if they dont they must live a very sheltered life.

What's to be confused about lol?

sent from my Note FE, S8 plus, S7 edge or S6
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
Let me take this opportunity to correct some other mis-information in this thread:

NOT true, or at least not all true. The

Chinese and Hong Kong Galaxy S8/S8+ variants have Snapdragon 835 and they have easily unlocked bootloaders -- and all the U.S./Canada carrier bands.

They also have TWRP custom recovery.

So, it's NOT true "ONLY the international Exynos models have unlocked bootloaders." Some Snapdragon 835 models also have easily unlocked bootloaders.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] leeboski44:
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[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
Not my thread dude lol...i was the second poster and told the OP it would likely be locked.

Im not the OP lol, i would never post anything so stupid .
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Dabman:
Hei. Can you tell me if it is possibility to unlock bootloader on SM-G950/955F, aspecially without increasing KNOX counter?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
Lol....Absolutely not possible.

sent from my Note FE, S8 plus, or S6
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] partcyborg:
Its not possible to unlock the bl period. See the million threads/posts about this lol
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ulthirm:
Will it ever be likely possible to unlock the bootloader for TWRP? if not, how might you suggest i go about replacing it with one that will be? Should i resell on ebay or is there a better option?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] jhofseth:
The obvious problem with bootloaders is that experimentation is necessary to develop unlock methods, but experimental failure is way too costly. If someone can develop a strategy to flash a Hong Kong or Chinese Snapdragon S8/S8+ bootloader to US Snapdragon S8/S8+, then we would have a viable route due to those bootloaders being crom unlockable. Maybe someone gets a modified Odin to do it or someone gets dd copies of relevant Hong Kong or Chinese Snapdragon S8/S8+ bootloader partitions to distribute, etc.; or, better still, some expert finds a relatively safe exploit that doesn't risk bricking. Root is definite progress, though. :)
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
Based on previous devices highly unlikely.

Best option is sell the POS snapdragon and buy an exynos...we had root and twrp within the first week of launch.

sent from my Note FE, S8 plus, or S6
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
For Exynos in U.S., the problem is people who insist upon using Verizon or Sprint, or who don't want to pay for their devices upfront. They want. CDMA and/or carrier-branded phones.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
Yeah that does suck unfortunately exynos and CDMA dont work
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] jooniloh:
Don't know much about radio technologies here. If I get an exynos model to use on tmobile, are there any variants that would allow me to still utilize 4x4 MIMO and 256 QAM? I saw some posts on here about users flashing tmo firmware to the US unlocked version to be able to use that, but I'd imagine that'd be a problem with an exynos chip...
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] KennyLG123:
You have to watch what your doing you don't want to flash files designed for snapdragon on a exynos device or vise versa..
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] jooniloh:
That was literally the premise behind my problem.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MrSteelX:
Delete
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] wireproof:
What about the Note 5 on Verizon? That has CDMA and GSM capabilities in the US.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
Well it only came in exynos as did the s6 so it had to work, It was engineered to work on cdma. But thats an exynos 7420...totally different than todays version which does not support cdma.

Its kinda of stupid i think...exynos for this region, snapdragon for that region.

Whats tbe point, go with one and call it a day, probably all comes down to $$. Sammy wouldnt do it if they didnt benefit from it
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tidbits:
I believe it has to do with the promise Samsung made with the Note 2 and documentation. Ever since they made that promise the US version has always had Snapdragon. When they brought the Exynos back they believed people forgot when when they were asked for then quickly went back to Snapdragon the following year and still no documentation.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Totaltelecom:
It's total BS, THEY ARE TELLING US THESE DEVICES ARE NOT OURS! Verizon's argument years ago was bootloaders were locked because they were subsidizing devices. They no longer subsidize devices so why are they controlling what we do with them by LOCKING OUR BOOT LOADERS? then they fool politicians by telling them "THEIR devices are unlocked" and can be used on other carriers. (note how the carrier States they are their devices) That is not the same thing as a boot loader. Then the FCC ALLOWS their subscriber agreement TO STATE that you cannot enter in a class action lawsuit against THE CARRIER? another travesty . This combined with taking away removable batteries? I don't know about most of you, but these devices are not very compelling! Paying a lot more, for a lot less. Plus oem terms of service exclude us from class action rights.

Maybe we all just need to start buying flip phones again? It's the only way our voices will be heard?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
bcuz the dev community is very small compared to the bigger audience as well as allowing unlocked bootloaders can and will cause customer dissatisfaction with the larger audience since ppl will screw up their phones not knowing what they are doing as well as can manipulate their devices which impact the network/experience which could also impact the larger audience negatively..

its already been determined as near impossible to change the facts so we need to continue exploiting to get what we want.. its a game of cat and mouse and apparently the way its going to be for a long time so get used to it
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Totaltelecom:
It still makes me *****y, ugh. Even the nexus with a sealed battery! Seriously?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cantenna:
How embarrassing for you! My outdated rooted S4 via Lineage OS is more secure than pretty much all Samsung devices on the market right now all because of root! Moreover, any Samsung device this old would never get a security update such as this. So there ya have it chump, undoubtedly the best reason and why purchasing a device that does not allow for unlocking the boot loader and root access is an utter wast of $$$$$

Cheers dumb ass!

And epic fail Samsung!

https://imgur.com/a/BPmsB
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] highaltitude:
Why is this thread still even alive... Beat Dead horse, beat dead horse. Anyone not a dumba$$ knows Samsung hasn't had a bootloader unlocked in forever (other than international)
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
to prove the futility of believing customer service reps. ;) Even "escalated" to the highest level.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] highaltitude:
I guess the phrase "can't fix stupid" comes into play. They are not going to unlock US bootloaders ever. Sorry. It hasn't happened in years, and as things get more complicated with design, security and software not going to happen in the future.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Josh McGrath:
Are even the low end Samsung phones locked on T-Mobile?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tidbits:
Yes they are. Almost all Samsung phones are locked except the Exynos and Chinese variants.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] partcyborg:
Um. Phones that aren't rooted with selinux enforced aren't susceptible according to everyone who ran the test

Also, do you realize that all that app does is check a database of chips/idea/whatever that's infected, along with possibly checks for root and/or selinux? It definitely does not actually try the vulnerabilities as they don't want to release them yet. Because your phone is heavily modified this app is likely meaningless for you.

Please just stop and let this thread die. While we all hate them, things like Knox actually do a lot for security, they just shouldn't be forced on us the way they are. If you had one iota of computer security experience you would know this, and not be talking out your ass.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cantenna:
thanks buddy... Happy to let this tread die but the point is, there was a lot of poor advice in this thread, just thought I needed to set the record straight!

iota of computer security experiance?

Right, im actually a bit OCD when it comes to that sort of thing... and I seriously question your knowledge in this category having read your last comment...
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
point is no one cares about blueborn if you are already rooted and those not rooted wouldnt want it patched since they might need it for root.. and no one cares you lie to be on an old phone..

you seem like the smart one trying to compare an old device with the latest n greatest just bcuz u can use lineage lmao
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cantenna:
and yet im one of the very few who own an S8 that is as of today blueborne patched, all because of root and xda devs...

My carrier still has not put out update and probably will not for another month.

yes, this post does make you look like a bit of a wanker..
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] partcyborg:
Lol
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
lol u wouldnt have root at all without me, id say your the wanker.. u seriously made negative comments about the s8+, argued that yours4 is better but yet you own an s8+ and used my root method lmao

if thats not a wankeri dont know what is
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cantenna:
I own exynos variant, so no, not your root method sorry if that doesnt stoke your ego like you had hoped for... But hey, thanks for chiming in with your words of wisdom anyways...
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
lmao if u dont own a SD S8/S8+ then why are you even in here if not to just troll??

yea, very childish, you must be young.. thanks for reviving a dead thread with irrelevant discussion/opinions
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] cantenna:
because when thread was started it was unknown if Australia and international would be getting a lock bootloader or not... not childish, strong opinions from both sides were shared, but ultimately, because of how blueborne patch has been handled recently, it demonstrates that root is indeed more vaulable if timely security updates is what your after.

You clearly havent been following this thread though and decided to jump in uninformed and troll yourself.

Anyways, im done, point made, take care, thanks for the snap dragon root method.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Interceptor777:
girls stop fighting
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
Lol....:D

sent from my Note FE, S8 plus, or S6
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MrSteelX:
while looking inside the s8 AP_G950U1UEU1AQH3 meta-data. what is the fota.zip for ???

password for zip is "fotatest1234"
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Josh McGrath:
I would post that in the Android general section or general s8 section for devs. That's very interesting
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
its meta data.. not really useful for much of anything lol at least i havent found a use for it yet

---------- Post added at 04:42 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:37 AM ----------

its not really of any use.. u can flash it in odin but doesnt appear to do anything.. ive had the eng boot (the one we cant use) and its fota.zip cracked for months before root lol
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] TyLLy_4:
What is going on in this thread?

Oh, a Senior member and a recognized contributor arguing like preschoolers ....

I guess that's cool ... (NOT) is this why we don't have a way to unlock the boot loader yet?
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Android-Desire:
Lol you are the child.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ASHLEY117:
t.me/Galaxys8ands8plusglobal group on telegram is s good laugh. Some idiot is claiming that an outfit called the "Bootstomp crew" have unlocked SD bootloader.

What bollox ????
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] carbon271:
https://xdaforums.com/tmobile-s7-edge/help/potential-to-unlock-bootloader-t3544220

What about something like this I don't know if it helps alot [MENTION=3812611]elliwigy[/MENTION] but might be something you already tried
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] DanHutchins:
I'm confused. Not really sure why people still think root is Necessary since the only reason to do so by most is to back up the device and custome roms Samsung's now have an app you can get that allows you to use substratum without root. That to me replaces custome roms. Then there's the backing up of the device. If you have a samsung account and a Google account you can back up the device data that way then just keep a copy of the firmware on your pc. Backup complete. Then there are those that say it's to crouded with unwanted apps, I say, most can be uninstalled or disabled. If you disable it, ya, it doesn't completely free up all the space but if you clear the Cache and data you go back to the factory app and it does free a lot of space. The reasons behind root nowadays just don't make sense to me anymore. I'm not saying don't do it and I'm not trying to change peoples minds just saying it doesn't make a lot of sense.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
I'll never own a phone I don't really own. Root is being admin of your own handheld computer. If you don't have root, the carrier or OEM actually still owns/controls your smartphone (handheld computer).

I'm not renting my phone for several hundred dollars, I've bought it. And I will totally control it.

No other reason NEEDED. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] aloknm:
Well said.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] unimatrix725:
Well obviously you have never relied upon Google or Samsungs BackUp & Restore. Seriously Lacking! I just did this less than a week ago. Google put back most of my apps, BUT NONE OF THE DATA! Kinda pointless. I now have to reset passwords on tens of apps, just to login. Really Pisses me off! This is way easier when Rooted. Have a few days left to return... I was lied to also by Samsung, the "unlocked" part.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] jhofseth:
Root is OK. Bootloader unlock is fun. True, some people wouldn't use common root features, and many people don't miss what they are not used to having or being able to do. For example, my two phones (switch sim every couple days) are T-Mobile OEM unlocked Motorola Moto Z2 Force and US Snapdragon S8+. They have the same CPU/chipset and the same 4GB RAM. But, the OEM unlocked Moto Z2 Force is more fun precisely due to being OEM unlocked! Root is small potatoes when you are OEM unlocked. So, when I switch back to the Snapdragon S8+, I do appreciate the larger screen and quality build, even while I dread the 80% battery and the inability to follow true kernel and ROM development for the phone. So, root is OK, but it is merely the tip of the iceberg! :)
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] jhofseth:
I suspect the most probable explanation is they misunderstood this or someone referring to articles about it, etc.:

https://seclab.cs.ucsb.edu/media/uploads/papers/bootstomp.pdf

It is a complex article but they did not unlock our bootloader. :)
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] DAC.IT:
i stopped buying Samsung with the original Note , theyve tried to be APPLE since then .I only buy only unlocked , developers or nexus devices , and stay away from carriers , I almost went with sprint to get the Essential , but Sprint lied , they get you to click the button, then tell you about overnght shipping and after you pay they send an email saying they dont have any in stock and it will take several weeks to get one , CANCEL
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] TheGhost1951:
Remember When....

Yeah, I know, Alan Jackson had a song about it hehehehe. Anyway, remember when you have the fun of changing your own oil, and that wonderful job of replacing the points, plugs and condenser. Repairing anything under the hood, like starter, alternator, fuel pump and water pump. I mean it was your car, you had total control and say over what took place. Look at them now adays and you can't even hardly get your hands in between anything under the hood. Changing any of the components now is almost impossible. You know what I mean. Same thing with our cell phones. Not that long ago, we were able to flash custom recoveries, roms or anything else we had a mind to without the least amount of difficulty. Not any more. It just about takes an act of congress to to flash a custom rom. As I look at it, I am buying the phone, therefore it is my phone and I should be able to what the heck I want to with the phone without some yahoo telling me no you can't cause I am protecting you from possible intruders.... or some such nonsense. sad, just like big brother government looking out for our best interests........ Until next time guys, keep codeing, breakthroughs do happen. The Ghost:good::)
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] partcyborg:
Fo sizzle. Drop a nizzle in this pizzle when your present your argumentizzle to the suprizzle courtizzle of the you eszizzle of ayezzle.

*mic drop*
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] gqukyo:
I was thinking similarly! Lol
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] TheMadScientist:
:eek:Speechless:eek:
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] iamnotexisting:
Unlocked US will never happen
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] carldw:
?omg why was there all this fighting we all know Samsung wouldn't unlock the bootloader for the usa version of there devices because that's what the carriers want
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Guides, News, & Discussion] TheMadScientist:
I dont know but the US carriers are not unlocked and that means this thread has no purpose at the moment

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