yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ramontrotman:
This topic has been floating around the forums for a long time now. For as long as chefs been cooking, they’ve been trying to cook their “perfect rom.” Well…unfortunately they can’t do it by themselves. They need some help from us…so this thread is for any and all feedback we may all have as users, to offer to our chefs in order to achieve our goal.

Keep in mind guys, we’re all different people, we all require different things. Let’s keep our thoughts realistic and respectful. We’re use to 3 types of roms….Full, Medium and Light (lite.) Let’s see if we can offer up a somewhat standard model and set of applications for each type of rom.

But not just apps….lets break this down to CE builds..OS tweaks…radio performance…visual preferences…..EVERYTHING!!!!

also (i know this is gonna cause an outbreak!....) if there are any outstanding issues you've been having with all coked roms across the board...feel free to mention....The more we're all aware of something the better the chance it will be addressed!

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((Results and conclusions))

-For the most part, we can all agree certain apps should not be cooked in because they're updated too often.

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((Topics and issues))

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*well i can't edit the poll...so we'll have to do this the hard way. So we have the "to be cooked or not" apps figured out. Next is the model in which the roms are produced. Like i said before...theres usually 3. Lite, Medium and full. We need to define the roll and specs of each and what they contain. Sound Off

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At the request of mr.dutty i've added a poll. Im not sure if i can do this, but i'll try to switch it up everyday with a new subject everyday or so.

* = current topic
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] swtaltima:
almost was going to warn you to get some flame retardant clothing at first glance. However after reading a bit more it does not seem to be a bad idea, assuming it can be kept free from garbage. Ill put some thought and contribute what i can but not a bad idea.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dan13l:
A few things I look for in a cooked ROM -

Hardware keyboard performance: We're talking about a device that features a very nice full hardware keyboard, and roms should take this into account. I've encountered roms that have laggy keyboard entry, other weird keyboard entry problems, and some which work beautifully.

Careful which apps are cooked in: If an app is likely to get updated frequently, it's my opinion that it shouldn't get cooked into a rom (unless, of course, it's a PITA to install in the first place). There'd be no point cooking PointUI's Home into a ROM, as it gets updated a lot. Also, the legality of any cooked in App should be considered. For example, I'd love to see a rom that's got Opera Mini cooked in and ready to go as the default browser, which is a lot of fiddling around and hard work, rather than a rom that uses the NOT FREE Opera Mobile.

Screen Rotation Speed: Some ROMs have managed to achieve near instant screen rotation speeds, others have not. It'd be great to know what settings affect this, and cook them in.

Options: I hate Large Start Menu. I love the fact that you can easily turn it off without any side-effects. I love the fact that Quick Menu gets cooked in, but you have the option to not use it (I'm firmly in the "loving quick menu" camp though, at the moment).

Most important: Speed. I really don't feel like this device is performing quite as well as it could do. I think we could get there - I think there's still some exploring to do, and at some point there'll be a major breakthrough.

Maybe this thread is the start of all of that?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] duttythroy:
Thank you For starting this as this will alow us to find out from different individuals thier own opinions and also from different chefs as to how we can maximise the best performance out of this baby kaiser.

At the moment Im trying different stuffs:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] briggs81:
I don't know to much about this stuff, but in my last month of looking at these forums.. I think a lot of people use these

- Pocket Core Media Player

- SOme form of Registry Edit

- Task Manager (Detialed one, WTask i think it's called?)

- Pocket Screen

- Office (obviously)

- Note pad (love it)

- Touch Settings

- Query Analyzer (maybe not for everyone..)

- Slide 2 unlock (better to get that yourself probably now that I think about it)

- Schapps advanced config 1.1

- KaiserTweak

- Total Commander looks pretty usefull

- Some sort of FTP program

- I wish there was some app for linking HTC favorites in the cube to their contact record (give you option of calling,e mailing, etc, instead of a quick call)

Not very advanced stuff, but stuff I hav efound pretty usefull that i never knew about.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ramontrotman:
lol no worries man. i got my suit bag unzipped and waiting!

i guess i'll give it a go....

me myself...I prefer a Full rom. but it seems very unrealistic as to what’s in a full rom or not. I’ve been talking to dutty a bit about this and he wanted me to get some ideas and get back to him….so I guess this is the place to get it all together. For those of us with a tilt…we all know how fat the shipped att rom was. But the funny thing is…it wasn’t slow at all! This is what sparked my thoughts. How about…a full rom = a bloated rom! But not bad bloated….good bloated. I’m talking about any and all those little apps we all know and love. Such as….group sms…call firewall…opermini (files provided to set as main browser…I think that should be left up to the user,) tom tom...quick menu….Live search and all other live apps, all HTC current apps and dialers….ect ect. I wanted to include slide to unlock, point ui and pocket cm…but these apps are updated too often to cook in….but non the less would be great for a full rom. I believe the cooks can find a way to make a rom like this work!

For a media rom….pretty much the rom…plus all the htc goodies we’re all used to. And the the rest of the inessentials….things like flash lite…youtube already cooked in....ect ect. It should be kept clean and nice.

A lite rom?....nothing! lol…lite roms are for those of us who like to tinker ourselves or just don’t use a damn thing on the phone…so I think it should be just the os! And call it a day.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] duttythroy:
I think we need to add a poll of some sort to vote on what apps should be included in each rom so we can observe, study and compare what individuals use in thier roms and what they dont like.:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ramontrotman:
point ui makes for a good debate....the reason i would cook it in is because it comes with its own update client. so even if an older version is cooked in....or an update is available a day after the rom is cooked....you just need to go into update and that will take care of that. but i do agree with the idea of frequently updated apps should be avoided.

the screen roatation is another one....i agree. i've seen it vary from rom to rom even within dutty's camp. maybe the cooks can unite and nail that one down.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ecltech:
I've been using different ROMs over the last month or so and what I normally go for is the lite ROM with all the performance updates. Then I add my own apps to it. From the ROMs that have applications cooked into it I may use 80-90% of it which I find is not good for me and I think this holds true for most, if not all users. Everyone has different taste/needs.

Maybe a ROM with just the OS and performance/optimization tweaks and leave the rest up to the users. They can find the cabs for everything so why bother to cook it in. The other thing with cooking in the apps if is if the app gets an update a new ROM is needed.

Or just cook your own ROM. :) There's enough info within the forums to make your own ROM and include whatever apps you want.

Maybe the focus should be on optimizing the OS and leave the apps to the choice of the user.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] duttythroy:
I cooked a lot of roms but always stick with the full rom, Reason is i could take out 50mb of programs out of a rom and This doesnt give me that equvalent space and also performance sometimes are un-stable, thats my own opinion.

I think there is a halfway line with how much goodies you can install in a rom to please most people
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ramontrotman:
all good points...i tend to agree with you. but lets not forget we're dealing with people who dont know how to hard slp...refuse to read through 30 pages of posts or even use teh search feature. so a full features rom will always be needed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ecltech:
This is true. For a full featured ROM I think a based ROM might be better versus cooking in many apps. Here's a list that I think can be a good starting point for a base ROM. Some utilities, tweaks, visuals, etc. The rest can be managed by the user.

- Advanced Config

- GPS Test

- HTC Album

- HTC Camera (new version)

- NotePad

- Registry Editor

- Pocket RAR

- Office w/OneNote

- PDF Viewer

- psShutXP

- QuickGPS

- Total Commander

- NetCF 3.5

- ClearTemp

- KaiserTweak
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ramontrotman:
agreed. can we all agree this should be a common app set?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] duttythroy:
Thats almost what I got apart from pdf viewer which i left out for user preference with adobe reader
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] diar:
the most popular apps don't have to be cooked into a ROM. every ROM can be a light or medium with everything else added as shared backup files using Sprite or SPB Backup. in another thread, some folks expressed reservations about my idea of Backup Install Packs, but i still think it could work. and no one would be forced to use them. it's something at least worth trying.

after flashing a new ROM, the ROM cooker or someone else could install demo versions of the most popular apps (HTC apps, Resco, SPB, SBSH, Opera, Palm Messaging, Kaiser Tweak, TCPMP and the plugins, etc.) onto their devices. They can then make a backup of their devices and make that backup available to other users. Then if someone installs the identical ROM, they could simply install the entire backup of those applications to their own devices. Users can keep the apps they want and register them with their own serials. They could then uninstall the rest.

that would be my idea. keep all ROMs medium and lite and let users customize them to full status with backup install packs.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] pkley:
PointUI drove me nuts, was nice and pretty, but in the way. Then again, I don't like the Cube either. Perhaps if I set up the cube I'd use it more, mainly for the contacts though - I don't use WMP or HTC's, I use TCPMP.'

I love the apps Dutty has, especially WKTask with its launcher and battery bar, quickmenu is awesome (without the large setting).

PocketCM has asked that it NOT be cooked in so...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] johanromijn:
IMHO a ROM should be usable for as much user as possible.

For one person S2U2 is a must-have application, but others just don't like it.

So a stable, fast and clean ROM should be the best for everyone.

Everyone can add his favorite apps, or don't add apps if you don't like them!

Just my opinion. (Of course I always go for the LITE variant, cause I just don't use a lot of apps)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] undac:
What I would like to see:

Pretty much the default set of apps and tools in the stock ROM. Some of general use like pocketrar could be integrated but not much more.

Larger page pool.

What I absoltely don't want to see:

Too many UI changes, trial versions, bloated battery status apps and such.

Basically I just want the latest radio, OS and default apps all in one.

Stuff that's not likely to get upgrades for quite some time like the flash player and flash lite could preferebly be integrated but other than that I don't like too much tweaking, I just want the latest versions of the default stuff and then I do my own modifications and tweaks from there.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] walkerkd:
thanks for setting this up!! But i agree should install from CABs
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] xmoo:
No, They're updated too often to even think about cooking into the rom!

We need 1 stable EMPTY ROM. And cabs what have been edited for working on the 1 stable empty rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ramontrotman:
fisrt post updated

Okay...so next is the type of Rom and what they contain.

Lite – this is the rom I expect to get the less debate about. It pretty much speaks for itself. This should be as lite as possible. I believe if lite users could have a rom without windows they’d take it ;) . The idea here is….you and you alone control what goes on your phone. If it’s available in a cab…then it shouldn’t be cooked into the rom.

Medium – I think this maybe the sweet spot for most. I find most of the chefs on the site cook up roms that fall in this category. These roms should have the essentials listed above by ecltech…

- Advanced Config

- GPS Test

- HTC Album

- HTC Camera (new version)

- NotePad

- Registry Editor

- Pocket RAR

- Office w/OneNote

- PDF Viewer

- psShutXP

- QuickGPS

- Total Commander

- NetCF 3.5

- ClearTemp

- KaiserTweak

These apps are pretty much needed for tweaking, customizing, maintenance or general usability.

Full – These roms are far and few….anything goes here. Even though most of us are hip to the game, there are a few people out there who don’t really want to go looking for the latest and greatest. They’d love to flash once and get it all. I can vibe with that….I tend to see a lot of these roms in the wizard forums. Those chefs pack those roms like you wouldn’t believe. Even though I think most of it you’ll never even use….it offers up two things….it gives a dying device some breathe…and it gives a comfort level of “well if I need to use it one day…I’ll have it.” Can’t argue with that.

So….who agrees or disagrees….and why? What else can be said about this topic?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tsadek:
Speed advantage

Other than the obvious convenience is there an actual speed advantage to cooking in a program rather than installing from a cab??

sorry to go slightly off-topic here.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ramontrotman:
uuuuuuuum.....good question. we can raise this question in a few topics. but i dont think so. although, certain apps only work if cooked in. i remember when the cube first came about...it only worked "almost" right if it was cooked in. but as far as speed of any given app if cooked in or not...i doubt it. i could be wrong though...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] redsrule2500:
What would be really cool is a program you download and it creates the ROM package for you with every program you select :p A little over complex, yes, but it would be awesome.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ecltech:
Try Alex's Cooking Kit v4. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ramontrotman:
with pics and all
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ecltech:
Agreed. Seems to be a good balance between the 3 versions and what users may need.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tsadek:
I've started a new thread to discuss this because I think its quite an interesting question and don't want to take this one to off-topic
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] y2whisper:
I'm with rzanology and Dutty in terms of a rom with a lot of apps pre-loaded one of the major features is that it saves time when switching roms to instal 10 programs and not 25. plus for me it sometimes shows useful programs that i didn't know about and could use.

But at the end of the day a rom that flows smooth and doesn't hang is top notch priority. as well as having updated programs that normally come on a base rom (htc camera office mobile 6.1 etc)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] umchriswho:
Well in the poll, for PocketCM, you're NOT even allowed to cook the program into your ROM and release it. Check out their website. Be careful with this or else...

PointUI, I'm not so sure you can cook that into a ROM, too. It's better to ask or have a look at their website.

Just doing this to help you guys stay away from trouble (even if you didn't know).

Anyways, have fun going crazy!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Sleuth255:
I debated this with myself on 3.0 Sleuth and S2U2. In fact, it was cooked into some of my early test versions. Finally I decided to do a theme-matched version as an add-on.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Jibreil:
@DuTTy:

I've voted for PocketCM and Point UI. It would be nice if you could inlcude them.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] overcustom:
It seems we'll receive soon nougat update for kenzo, what do you think?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] DuraAdri:
What

Enviado desde mi Redmi Note 3 mediante Tapatalk
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] overcustom:
I've found this post in MIUI forum.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] rocknegi:
I think that this is a useless thread and no way related to development [MENTION=1140856]zelendel[/MENTION]
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Jaizu:
It's not useless, just in the wrong section
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] overcustom:
I'm sorry if I've posted this thread in the wrong section, but I don't think it's useless, because lot of people are asking about MIUI nougat update, and I've found this news which seems to be official.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] RootNightmareX:
Link?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] hallo6459:
en.miui.com/thread-524641-1-1.html
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] overcustom:
http://en.miui.com/thread-524641-1-1.html
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] RootNightmareX:
So its really officialy coming ? Nougat for RN3PRO?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] overcustom:
I don't know at all, I've asked your opinion.

I've shared what I've found.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] aaaaaaziskurnia:
This isnt a development thread. Wrong sections! Just a NEWS OF DEVELOPMENT! Reminds it! There are GUIDE, NEWS & DISCUSSION section in main Specific device forum. Should be deleted very soon to keep this section clean.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] MikeyLee:
Not before June most likely
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Raaj52:
Just check the thread now! It will be under moderation because the guy who replied to the query was not having any idea of Android Nougat update for Kenzo, he is an intern mod (new recruitment) So please don't post further regarding Android N update, as I told in several threads and forums, if Kenzo gets Android N I will be updating it here as soon as possible. Mean while don't create chaos (I don't mean the OP) l. Thank you.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Androbots:
I don't what the hell is wrong with xiaomi check this
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] RootNightmareX:
This is old bro.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] naturist:
No moderator can know anything about MIUI. I bet half the moderators are hired by posting "thanks" "good posts" "very good posts" and spam like that. Simply ignore.

Though the guy [MENTION=4756934]Raaj52[/MENTION] did posted some useful threads in Mi forum. No offense. :p
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] AtomR:
Agreed with you.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Raaj52:
Yeah I am agreeing your view in a partial manner but there are some good moderators also who work really hard to bring a lot of useful things to the end user, there is beta and alpha programs which are purely managed by mods in which you can find lot of new additions and bug fixes. Those mods won't post frequently and you won't see them active in forum but they all are in touch with devs and beta/alpha team members. Myself I retired from the mod position due to the lack of time for posting useful stuffs rather than posting "Thank you" or Answering queries to some stupid users who never change. But still I can find some good mods like [MENTION=7447030]Muz_paray[/MENTION], [MENTION=340154]feds64[/MENTION], [MENTION=288264]veera[/MENTION]suri etc who really work hard for the betterment.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] naturist:
I created Miui forum ac to get official unlock permission. It's a shame that to check the tutorials, you have to reply with a spam "thank you" post. Is this 2000? Mi need members to spam the forum? I can go on with these things but it's waste of time. Everyone is this world knows how good is Mi forum. Check Xiaomi reddit if you need some good laugh, people make fun of the posts including me (can't hide it). Whenever I'm bored and have nothing..I mean nothing else to do in my life, instead of checking jokes or memes I visit Mi forum.

Examples?

http://en.miui.com/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=508000&pid=10125465

http://en.miui.com/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=508000&pid=10143014

http://en.miui.com/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=508000&pid=10143801

http://en.miui.com/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=508000&pid=10137093

I can go on with this......... :D Pure gold :P

FYI: I did joined the beta team for fun to see how the beta team actually works. It was more funny than I imagined. You have to sign up with qq to discuss the bugs. Jokes apart what the beta team members do? Hw 2 flsh rems? haaalp me unlaackk boatlders, volte dooontntntnt weeerk.

Seriously, Mi hire such fools to do beta test? Probably, that's why MIUI can never be a stable OS. I also know this veerasuri super moderator, had a wonderful chat with him and asked him to remove me from the beta group. What was his response? I can't tell you else he will think I'm a bit offensive here but it was fun too. :p

I'm glad we have xda else people would've died checking Mi forums. As I said, I respect you for what you did, only cause of you (unofficial unlock recovery method or something I dont remember now) I managed to survive with a Mi phone else it would've been sold within a month. That's my love towards MIUI OS. Nothing against the moderators, even I was a moderator here at xda, got busy with life so retired but I can understand the moderator's pain.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Androbots:
I agree.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Doomsday101:
I do not intend to keep the thread alive as few people have already mentioned the reason. But, this happens to be the only news by far that can lift some hopes up for the official Nougat update for kenzo.

http://m.gsmarena.com/nougatpowered_xiaomi_redmi_note_3_pro_spotted_on_gfxbench-news-23039.php
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] AtomR:
Nah. This was a device running custom ROM.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Archit9169:
pff. too late for miui to release nougat update. Peeps soon it will time for android O. All hail lineage os. I just hope that there wont be too many bug with O since xiaomi will never provide newer kernel source.