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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nyl_111:
spb pocket plus 4.0.2

Hi,

i,ve just downloaded and installed the spb pocket plus 4.0.2 but it seems that it was only a trial version. do you guys have a carck or a serial number i could use? thanks so much...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tyeo098:
wtf ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JethroXP:
Tilt died after two days

I got my tilt on February 28th, it died March 1st. I left it charging overnight and in the morning found the blinking red light. Would not power on under any circumstances. I took it back to the AT&T store, they swapped in a fresh battery, didn't work. Then they took my battery and put it in a different Tilt and it worked fine and showed 100% charge. So they exchange my phone for me.

With the first phone, I immediately upgraded the ROM from 1.57.502.2 to the latest version 1.62.502.0 and it worked fine for those first two days. The markings under the battery cover on the dead phone were:

36H00563-00M

181007(RC01)/US

My new phone has identical data markings, hopefully it wll last more than 2 days.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CalvinL:
I thought the models that were bad had this build date:

36H00563-00M

181007(RC01)/US

Maybe it's not related to build date. I only read the first 8 pages. And that was 2 weeks ago, so I could be wrong.

I have the build date that I mentioned, which is why I'm kind of worried.

If I flash a rom, like, let's just say, Dutty's Official WM6.1, will I void the warranty? If I do, I want to keep the Tilt for a month or so before I try anything.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] anthonychow:
My wife bought the phone (AT&T Tilt) on 10DEC07. I didn't open the gift until Christmas. I have been using the same AT&T ROM (bypassed the bloatware installs).

On Thursday, 06MAR08, I plugged the phone to the stock AC phone charger. Woke up on morning Friday, 07MAR08, I got the Red LED of Death. Time-to-death: 73 days.

I logged on to the AT&T's web-based technical support and suggested me calling 800-801-1101 (phone insurance and replacement). I called and the rep asked me to visit a corporate store to see if a different battery/charger would make a difference. Complying to their policy, I made a special trip. After 5 minutes in the store, they drew the same conclusion: dead phone.

Called 800-801-1101 again to report the findings; the rep promised to ship me a reconditioned phone.

Phone

P/N: 99HCY090-00

SKU: 64761

Other numbers found: 36H00562-00M 181007(RC01)/US

Battery

Brand: Samsung

P/N: 35H00086-00M

AC Adapter

Brand: Delta Electronics

P/N: 79H00051-01M

Model: ADP-5FH B
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wim26:
I didnt get a red light. It just stopped loading. Returned the device and got a new one. There are a lot of people that have this problem. My device was running stock OS. So that cant be the problem. This was the second device i returned. :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cellgeek:
I purchased my phone on 11/19/07 - it officially died a slow and tortured death on 3/7/08, 3+ months later. I called AT&T and procured a warranty replacement phone an it had the "red light of death" out of the box. So now I'm awaiting a new phone and we'll see how it does.

Frankly, as much as I like the Tilt phones and how cool it is - I'm starting to consider going back to Nokia and Symbian. I've had an E61 since they came out and I keep finding myself going back to that phone because it just works, consistently.

Yeah, yeah I know I should be burned at the stake for saying that, but my experience with HTC phones hasn't shown they are the most robust devices. I flashed my phone quite a lot with different ROMs and I have to wonder if flashing them caused some of the issues because of heat (my phone would get warm during flashing). I think on this new phone, I'm going to use the AT&T OS and see if it lasts longer. If this dies - I'm leaving the HTC Tilt and heading back to Nokia - maybe.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jackleung:
Ok, it's my turn and it was dead on Monday while I was charging it overnight. Take the phone to the service center on Tue, and get my replacement today.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] joe22359:
im so pissed, i got my tilt like around Christmas time and it died today. I charged it fully, unplugged it, went out for a little went to check the time and it was done. i had no roms either. i plugged in my phone and i got a red light wtf, this is my 2nd replacement phone because my 1st tilt had a dead pixel. will they fix this or give me a new phone atleast?

Edit ffixed by jumpstarting battery
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gidwick:
well Im from the UK and had my TYTN II for just under three months and last night was using my phone (72% battery charge) then it froze, low battery warning popped up then switched itself off, when i got it powered up again battery was showing 0% so plugged it into the mains for twenty mins and managed to boot it back up with 85% battery showing, but it wasnt charging anymore.

Phone wouldnt charge with either mains or usb charges (although it would still sync with the pc, so used the remaining battery left to back up everything to memory card and hard reset the phone, before i also got the dreaded red light of doom.

Phoned t-mobile up and its still under warranty (apparently 24 months) but i have to send it off for repair which will take 3-5 days, hopefully this will solve the problem..will update later!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bobudesu:
How do you jumpstart the battery? Did you use the bouncing battery method?

Mine just died and I only got it this past Monday (3 days ago). Warranty is going to send me a new phone, but if I can get this thing working before I get the phone (monday) it'd be realllll nice :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drokkon:
Best of luck - it sounds like you've read a bit of this thread, but try to read all of it. You'll find the two jumpstart methods including "bouncing" and the other involving stripping a power cable.

You'll also find that the vast majority had no luck with these methods, and most of us agree that the problem is NOT battery-related anyway. Finally, bear in mind that both jumpstarting methods are potentially dangerous to your phone and its battery (and possibly you :eek:). This is of particular interest, because if you're talking about AT&T, they're going to be sending you a replacement unit, NOT a replacement battery...

It took me three or four exchanges to get a FULL replacement kit. Every phone they shipped me had issues until this last one, which I've been happily using for over two months now (knocking on wood...).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] leon sprouse:
tilt wont charge

I had a Tilt that did the same thing. It started out saying battery needed charging . Plugged in charger red light showed and phone would not come on . Sent it to htc and got a call from them saying I had a bad mother board. They sent me another phone. Sorry guys mine did exactly what all of you are describing. Hate to give you bad news but now you know.It can't be fixed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jimsearle:
My AT&T Tilt had the same issues. I called AT&T, they had me do a couple things like pull out the battery & sim then replace them. Then verified my info and sent me a brand new phone, with everything including the battery and with the latest official AT&T ROM, got the phone the next day.

I'm not happy the phone died, but happy to get a great replacement so quickly. Only bummer is the warranty does not start over, it's still from my original date.

- Jim
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mcgregja:
I think I've just experienced this issue, but I'm not positive.

36H00564-OOM

061107(TB02)/EU

TytnII purchased on 9/19/07

I live in the US

I got on the train to go to work this morning and I bring up Skyfire to read the news. I noticed that my battery was around 60%. I'm confident this reading was correct because I had charged it the day before. About 10 minutes later, the unit simply shut down, no battery message, nothing. I didn't notice any red lights at the time. It was a bit warm however.

I got to work, where I usually sync daily, and tried charging with the USB, which I use almost exclusively. I got red lights, at first blinking, then solid. I left the phone alone for 10 minutes, removed the battery and cleaned the inside. I then plugged it back in, got amber, and attempted to boot.

At this point, it cycled, which probably resulted from a drained battery, although I'm not positive. After leaving it charging, I tried again after about 10 minutes and it booted fine. Seems to be working OK now, although I'm nervous that it could simply shut down again at any time.

I can understand if the unit got too hot and shut down for safety, but the fact that the battery showed 60% one minute and then wouldn't boot the next brings me to think that the unit might be headed to the RLOD.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] trojanmate:
Spookie

Little bit different than most of the guys experience, though maybe I am heading the same way. When I plug the wall adapter into my TyTN II the led goes orange and indicates charging after a minute or bit more the led goes off and stop charging. However on the PC-USB connection it charges perfectly. I turned my phone off completely and plugged in the wall charger and it charges well. Could it be ROM or application issue? As it doesn't make sense why it charges under certain conditions if it is a hardware issue !!!

Any insights?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Financial Panther:
Hello.

I have a cingular 8125 and had the same issue many of you are having with your tilts and the like. I wanted to thank everyone because this thread was a lot of help.

I had the RLOD, or so I thought, and I was using just a run of the mill 4 pin charger. After I took the battery and let it off for a while I tried the trick that someone on this thread suggested, which was to hold the battery pin connection near the phones connectors. That actually made the phone turn on once again but it went dead as if the battery was drained, which i new wasnt. I figure before I spend money on a new phone, since this current phone was bought off of ebay and the warranty was rejected, I thought I would buy a new battery.

I purchased a new battery and so far the phone is working same as new. It has only been a day or two so Im not sure how long this second life will last but I thought I would pass the info along in case it could help someone, like this post helped me.

Good luck everyone,

Jack
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] 1gb:
return it asap
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] svcglobal:
RLOD

This will not help who already got the red led issue but probably will avoid new owners at this "club".

Never charge any battery with the phone on or in stand-by - let the internal power supply to do care the battery alone - always turn the phone off.

Better yet, buy a stand-alone charger.

Probably managing about 1A of current for both battery and phone electronics could damage the internal power supply and causing this fault.

To prevent USB charging as well, enable (check) in the Advanced Power option, the "When device is turned on, do not charge the battery when connected to the PC". This option was not there without a good reason.

At last, this will not harm you device at all. Good luck.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] chrismoo:
The fix worked but at what cost?

Well I found this forum today after my new 2 day old Tilt went red light on me.

I did the battery flipping thing whilst on hold with AT&T (for 45 mins) and all of a sudden there was a huge POP! and the light went amber. I pulled out the charge cord and the phone powered up. No radio though. I did a reset and then put the phone into flight mode and then reenabled the phone and it seems okay now.

I think I will try and get a replacement tomorrow, the POP did nothing for my confidence....I don't feel happy leaving this charging over night or leaving it charging unattended...

Anyone else experienced the loud POP effect before getting their phone revived?

Thanks for the tips on the resus....it just all seems too suss....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] chrismoo:
Guess I found out what the POP was

Seems like my radio is now toast as I cannot get any reception and its dropping all the time on the odd occasion it does seem to find a signal.

I hard reset and still have the same issues so I guess I am off to the AT&T store tomorrow.

This sucks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Financial Panther:
Im sorry was that reply to me?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mmalka:
I fixed mine

I bought a used "like new" Tilt on ebay, from a reputable seller who offers a 30-day warranty. I already had one Tilt, with no problems (Sleuth ROM).

I got the second Tilt today, in the original AT&T box, and indeed it looked like new.

When I pressed the power on, nothing. I thought the battery was dead. Then I hooked it to my USB, and the red light came on, and I (wrongly) thought it was the charging light. A few minutes later, still nothing. I then took the fully charged battery from my old Tilt and put on this new one. Nothing. Red light when hooked to the USB or to the wall charger, and no light at all with just the battery.

I then realized that the charging light was supposed to be yellow, instead of red. Checking the HTC manual, it only said that the flashing red light would indicate low battery, but it did not say anything about steady red light.

I tried everything I could think of such as pressing the hard reset keys, soft reset, plugging and unplugging to the USB or to the wall charger, with or without the battery.

Then I started to read the almost 30 pages here on the forum, and tried the "pull contacts up, and place the battery at an angle" method one guy described here. Still nothing.

However, later on another guy said the angle method worked for him after he played with the battery several times, but he felt a burning smell. I then realized that he probably short circuited some of the battery contacts while playing with it.

So, instead of aligning the battery contacts exactly to the contacts on the phone, I inserted the battery at an angle, but tweaked it a little bit sideways. All of a sudden I heard the typical sound of a short circuit, the burning smell, and the red light turned into yellow.

I powered the phone on and it seems to be working. It has the original AT&T ROM.

This was a few minutes ago, so I am not sure if the "solution" will last. What is striking me odd so far is that although the battery gauge is showing it 100% charged, the yellow light did not turn into green yet.

I MUST alert you that what I did is extremely dangerous, and I would not recommend to anyone, as you could not only cause even more damage to your phone, but could also cause some harm to you.

Well, while I was writing this long note, the charging light just turned green. Now I have to decide if I will keep the phone or return it to the seller.

Good luck, and I hope this detailed note could help more people in the same situation.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] removed dot us:
Long time lurker, first time poster here...

I'm sad to report that my Tilt bit the dust today as well. Just before dying, my Tilt was plugged in to my computer's USB port to top off the battery. I got a text message, typed out a quick reply on the keyboard, and hit "Send". Just afterward, the screen went blank and the RLOD came on.

I found this thread and read through the first couple of pages... ended up trying the battery trick as recommended here; rapidly removing/inserting the battery while the power cord was plugged in. After a few tries, the phone "popped" and came back on. Just after it finished booting, the phone got very hot -- about as hot as it used to get after an hour or two of tethering, which I did very rarely -- maybe three times since the day I got the Tilt. It took about 15 minutes (14.75 minutes longer than usual) for the phone to get a signal, but making calls was pretty much impossible. I counted 38 tries before I was able to make an outgoing call to my boss (this is a company phone) so that I could share the good news.

AT&T is sending me a replacement, but it looks like it won't be shipped until Monday. This leaves me without a working Tilt for the next 3 days or so. :( My full story about AT&T is pretty long, so I won't bother posting it here since this isn't exactly an AT&T carrier issue as much as it is a hardware/build quality/HTC oddity case.

Phone build numbers and whatnot:

36H00563-00M

181007(RC01)/US

P/N: 99HCY090-00

Battery:

Samsung KAIS160

P/N: 35H00086-00M

Chargers:

Various mini-USB cables (charged only by PC), trusty 3 year old car charger from my first HTC phone.

Purchased: 12/23/2007 in Maitland, FL

Died: 04/13/2008 in Houston, TX

R.I.P Tilt
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drokkon:
For anyone still struggling with this issue, there are two other threads that may have had more success with a solution: here and here.

I can't verify anything because I exchanged my RLoD unit 5 months ago, and hopefully I won't have the opportunity to verify any RLoD solutions in the future either.

However, I just wanted you all to know that there are other solutions on the table besides "jump starting" your battery.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] flashriprock:
I think svcglobal is onto something concerning the RLoD. Since this thread was started 72 people have had the RLoD happen and out of those 48 were on while charging and 24 did not say if the phone was on or not.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iltoivfe:
quick question?

So i just experienced the RLoD on my 2 week old refurb tilt.

Within those 2 weeks, i flashed duttys rom and added all my other programs from my 8525.

Because of the RLoD, i called AT&T customer service and they were offering to send a replacement.

I just wanted to know if my warranty would be voided because i have a cooked rom on my tilt.

thanks in advance
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] snooginsguy:
It would be, but I suppose that depends on whether they're able to start the phone up again. I got the RLOD a few weeks ago and was able to get it to reboot in a crippled state, but enough that I could reset the SPL back to AT&T's so they wouldn't suspect anything. That being said, you may want to try some of the techniques mentioned in other threads to get the phone to boot up, and if you're successful restore the original ROM and SPL before sending it back.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drokkon:
I had the exact same question and started this thread. You should read it, as many people had some great insight, but the bottom line is that you should be ok. I couldn't boot my RLoD to purge Dutty's tasty entree either. I crossed my fingers, returned the unit, and everything went smoothly. Until they sent me another crappy phone. And another. And another. And then one that worked.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] The_Venom:
Wow... I'm here too. Wish I wasn't

I just got my tilt on may 6th. it is now may 11th... RLOD. furious does not justify my state of mind. reading almost every page in this forum makes me believe this is not just an oversight on HTC.

I didn't run any additional plugins and i immediately wondered why this thing was getting hot. even my stylus was very warm once removed.

I got it running following your suggestions and it works... just not as a phone. it takes a long time to get a signal and then it won't make/take any calls. Advice?

I have the same manufacture code and it seems like i have a DUD. I wonder if these bad devices keep travelling around, from person to person - never getting fixed? I wish i had bought a refurb... I am calling tomorrow to get this thing replaced, since I bought tons of accessories for it already.... anyone want a Monaco-Aluminum case? :D

suggestion/speculation as to why this thing overheats?

Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] redbandana:
sorry i can't help you. my device only overheats when my ex girlfriend calls or text me...

drum roll plz
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] The_Venom:
Nice! my wife thought it was cause i goofed it up... C'Mon woman (i mean... dear).

I sent it back for another and asked them to NOT send me one with the manufacture code we are seeing here. Bunch o-B**ches... now im without phone until ATT sends me a new one... and i said NEW! i paid for new and it better be new.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chaptop:
Well, I got my refurb tilt today, and of course.... RLoD.....

For the record, it is an 181007(RC01)/US model, and I think it's pretty obvious that this is a bad batch or something, because just about everyone I've seen on this forum has shown that this is the problem.

Phone will not boot, will not do anything except mock me with a red light.

New one should be here by friday, does anyone know if ATT is sending out any refurbs other then this line number, or am I going to have to worry that it will RLoD again...?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cellchamp:
So i have read about RLoD and phone gying issues, i have two tilts with following

Phone build numbers, can someone suggest which one is less like to encounter the RLoD issue?

Phone 1:

36H00563-00M

080907(RB01)/US

P/N: 99HCY090-00

Battery: Samsung KAIS160 P/N: 35H00086-00M

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Phone 2:

36H00563-00M

181007(RC01)/US

P/N: 99HCY090-00

Battery: Dynapack KAIS160 P/N: 35H00086-00M
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mrgoat:
Add me to the list. We are currently traveling to florida so i had my tilt mounted on the dash and hooked up via the oem car charger. I was it tethered to my Mac for internet while we drove. Battery showed charging the whole trip but i knew that the car charger wouldn't be able to maintain the charge indefinitely since it just trickles. We arrived at my aunts house to stay the night and i turned the tilt off and took it inside. This morning i hooked it back up to fire up the internet again and nadda. RLoD. Funny thing is i started reading around here and found this thread. I Tried the angled battery thing and it worked!! Unfortunately i had my wife's sim card in it and i wanted mine so i swapped sim's and of course it turned off and won't boot again. grrrrr!! Now with my sim in i get nothing, regardless of what i do. Oh well, i bought my tilt off ebay new so i don't think i can return it to ATT. What sucks is i JUST finished setting it up how i wanted it. SPB MS 2.1, SPB Weather, Dutty's 6.1 rom, WM7 Skin, It was *Beautiful. Sigh. ime to join the asses and get that 3G iPhone i suppose.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] addict1337:
I had the same problem, i peed on my phone :( (drunk)

thank god i had insurance.

So it may be waterdamage.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mrgoat:
i went to ATT and tried a battery from another phone. Mine booted right up so my problem is the USB port not charging. All i get is the red light.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nismax:
ok for those who cant boot phone because of empty battery try this it worked for me. TURN THE PHONE OFF. THEN PLUG IT TO CHARGE. IT WILL HAVE RED LIGHT ON LET IT CHARGE FOR SOME TIME THEN TRY TO BOOT. THIS WORKED FOR ME. it will recharge battery.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drmolle:
Thanks tyeo098 SOLUTION WORKING

tHANKS TO tYEO098, HE GAVE ME THE SOLUTION.

Im actually lve in Mexico and im using my 2nd Tilt first one I losted it. This one was just fine and have become an essential in my life, so when the red death ligtht showed I was 100% dissapointed.

I search trough several forums and thanks to tYEO098, I realize is all a hardware problem becouse the mini USB port needs at least a minimal charge to be functional, so if you dont have any charge left it wont work even for charging.

I got an independent battery charger and charged my battery full.

Then I followed other users suggestion of quickly conect and disconect the battery. Im not sure if this last step is essential but it worked, my phone is bak again fully functional.

tHANKS AGAIN

Since Im not coming back to USA untill next year, a replacement wasnt an option for me bu thanks to the forum I solved the problem