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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] skuzz:
Not even necessarily overheating, just the phone saying something to the radio like "make me a sandwich" and the radio responding "OMG IT KNOWS MY SECRET PASSWORD TO MURDER MYSELF" and then it goes into wonko mode and kills the device.

Kinda like the secret code you could type into a Sanyo 4500 that would "Erase NVRAM Y/N" and then totally wipe the device including it's FCC settings so it didn't even know it was a phone anymore. That was pretty funny actually except for the erased phone part.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Malik05:
I dont have the data plan on tmobile, nor am i using the 5.99 trick...i am able to get access to the Data from my device through a proxy, hence its freeee....sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...but lets not get off topic here...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sWuRv:
I'm not sure what did it, but I Think I Just Solved It!!!!!!

I think I just figured out how to fix it!!!!!!! I was tinkering around and got my red light brick to turn on!!!! I'm not sure exactly what fixed it so here's everything I did-

1. Removed the storage & sim cards.

2. Took off the backplate.

3. Removed the battery.

4. Bent these 2 pins up a little bit:

5. Put the battery in at an angle, so that the power leads were connected, but the metal shielding plate on the back of the battery was not touching:

6. Hit the power button (with the battery still "halfway" installed) Bam, green light of life.

Somebody please confirm this. Meanwhile I'll be copywriting this process so anyone who performs it owes me 10 bucks :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dfresh305:
@swurv:

Tried that before I sent it in, didn't work. Good thought tho.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sWuRv:
I had a brick about an hour ago, and now my phones alive and well. So it worked for me. I just need someone else to confirm.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drokkon:
So my replacement Tilt isn't working either, so they're overnighting me a third one. In the meantime, I haven't sent back my original (RLoDed) Tilt, so I thought I'd play around with some of your theories.

I didn't know what to try besides installing the battery and SIM card and trying to push down the power, camera, and stylus buttons (I knew I was doing it correctly, because I had to use this to return my second Tilt to factory specs). No response whatsoever! This thing is deader than a doornail. Except for the red LED, of course... that works REALLY well whenever it's plugged in.

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but the only thing I can confirm is that this did NOT work on my RLoDed Tilt. Tried it several times in various ways. I think you just seriously lucked out! :D

Best of luck, all... if not actually in fixing your RLoDed Tilts, then definitely in avoiding the $500 service fee if AT&T discovers we voided our warranties. :p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kjb86:
I tried that myself before sending mine and it didn't work

Although, I didn't try hitting the power button when the battery was only half way in
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sWuRv:
drokkon- did you try hitting the power button with the battery half in? Could you fiddle around with this and see if you can help me refine what it was that revived my tilt? another thing I was doing before this was to connect/disconnect the usb rapidly. plug it in kinda half-assed and barely move it to make/break the contacts. I coulda swore it was the "tilted" battery that did it! When mine turned back on, i was holding the battery at an angle, and had to completely seat it afterwards. Damn I kinda wish I could rebrick mine lol so I could help some folks out by figuring this out.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drokkon:
I did try hitting the power button with the battery half in and tilted... I figured that was the key thing, rather than bending those contacts up (which I also tried).

But I'd love to help you refine what revived your Tilt, but I'm sitting here trying everything I can think of involving jiggling the USB cable and tilting the battery, clicking the power button and holding it down...

...I got nuthin'. :( Very happy for you though!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sWuRv:
Damn man sorry for sayin I found the fix, when apparently I didnt. At least we know its fixable.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] netnerd:
SOMETHING IS GOING ON!!!!!

not just tytn ii !

i just received my Imate Ultimate 6150 from mobileplanet.com today!

charged the Imate 6150 about 3 hours, the charging light on phone went off.

when i turn it on, Imate 6150 shows this message "battery low, auto shutdown now". (so the phone keep powering down after i press the power button)

when i charge the phone again, the charging light went off in 1 min, i guess the battery is full. and when i press power again, it power down again!

this is not a joke! i find out about this thread by searching "low battery"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] netnerd:
WHAT THE @$@@ IS GOING ON?

this happen on tytn ii, my imate 6150

and other Imate pdaPhone too!

http://forums.imate.com/searchpro.a...single&top=300&criteria=AND&submitbutton=+OK+
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] scooter1010:
Same Here

New ATT Tilt bought on 1/2/08 DEAD RIP 1/9/08. Battery was at 90%. Went to wake it up from sleep mode and it just flashed the red light of death. They must have Microsoft giving them spare Xbox parts. I had my old Nokia for 3 years and not one bit of trouble. I think HTC owes a lot of people and apology and official recall. I will let you know what happens at the Att store tomorrow.:mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mutantblack:
well so finally I got my phone back from warranty claim. I got the phone I was so happy and turn it on. Guess what? My phone has wave like there's another thread mentioned about the problem. Whenever I press lightly, the phone will produce like a little water wave. And it is worse when I slide out the keyboard. Huge wave and the screen will flicker. WTF??? This is my third phone I got. First one, dead pixel. Second one, just went dead. Now the third one, producing wave. God, I never have problem with my 8525, just with this phone. Ok enough rant. Now I have to claim aain for the third time.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dfresh305:
happened on my 8525 as well. I'm straight out the ca$h tho. No way I'm getting it replaced or repaired with all the crazy stuff I did to it. lol
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drokkon:
It's been freakin' me out from day one. All these RLoDs near the same time; mostly Tilts, but some other models too.

I want answers! From AT&T or HTC or whomever.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] scooter1010:
Abt Red Light of Death

Just wanted to update you on my one week old dead ATT Tilt. Went back to the store I bought it from and they replaced it without hesitation. The sales rep said he was familiar with the problem but claims it was the first one for his store. I don't know if I believe that however the point is mute. Let's see how long this one lasts for.

:confused:

Scooter
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drokkon:
I just have to point out that it's a "moot" point - but you reminded of me of this awesome clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIkJ4BUChxI

Back on topic: I'm glad you were within your 30 days! I would love to have been able to just get a new one at the store instead of dealing with the exchange department!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] scooter1010:
I checked that you tube out and laughed my arse off. Thanks for the chuckle on a pretty crummy day.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JayNld:
TYTN II normal again after bat drain problem ...

Hi all,

For whatever its worth, here is my experience with my TYTN II and what seemed to be very similar to the problems described in this thread:

- I got my HTC TYTN II mid-November 2007. Happy with the unit and its battery performance.

- Successfully flashed my phone for the first time about a week before X-mas with Dutty's Hybrid No.7B TouchFlo ROM.

- In the following week noticed nothing unusual. Phone seemed to work normally (Note: at work the phone is on the USB charger most of the day).

- On one morning during the first days of the X-mas break, I attempted to turn on my phone and ... nothing dead as a brick.

- Put the phone on the USB charger and (luckily) the orange charge light came on AND I was able to switch on the phone.

- In the days thereafter I noticed that whenever I would leave the phone lying about off the charger, it would be dead after a day.

I checked how long it took to drain the battery: After verifying that all radios were off (Flight Mode in Comm Manager), no processes were reported running in task manager and with a 100% battery charge as reported in the settings|power screen) I switched my TyTN off. After 24 hours I switched it on and found a battery charge state of 70%. Next time I tried to switch it on was 8 hours later and ... dead. On another occasion I found the battery to be 50%, I soft reset the device, it rebooted and immediately gave the low battery alert and went to sleep ...

Every time I was able to hook it up to the (USB) charger again and bring it back to life again, so in that respect I have been luckier than most of you, but a phone that drains itself in about a day without even the phone in standby mode is not very useful. So a couple of days ago I was about to decide to return the phone when I decided to make one final try. I installed KaiserTweak and set all settings that could have an effect on battery consumption to the most battery friendly setting. I reset the phone, charged it and left it over-night as I had done in previous experiments. The next morning battery charge was still at 100% !!!

So my best guess at the moment is that after flashing some settings that are not readily visible made my phone consume a lot of power in stand-by mode. It seems that by using KaiserTweak I reset those settings to battery friendly ones, although I still don't know what setting(s) was(were) the offending one(s) .... My phone is behaving normally again now since the past 2 days ... keeping my fingers crossed that this was really THE solution.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drokkon:
Wow, thanks! Even if it's not the same problem we're having, I'm definitely going to keep your tips in mind when I get my next Tilt and flash a ROM to it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] skuzz:
I wish I could say mine fried itself from hacking, but I had the original OEM AT&T firmware on it.

Frowncow.

It's been almost a week now though and my new Tilt is still rocking *knock on wood*.

Here's hoping anyway...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dfresh305:
ditto on the stock firmware. I did not have time to change anything before it died. Newegg is amazing at taking care of me tho. They overnighted me a new one, but claimed they had no clue about the issue.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nadavi:
Hi,

Can you please share What settings did you put in KaiserTweak?

Thanks,

NAdavi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TitsMagee:
I will tomorrow, thanks!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TitsMagee:
Okay so my butt was lazy and was using my Nokia 9300 (I really love that phone) and called the warrenty dept late. Well I got my new replacement tilt today and I put in the same battery and it started right away and my battery power was a 92%! I have had the battery out of the Tilt for a week now.

So its not the Battery.

I'm pissed b/c I lost so many Texts and other lil things on the old phone. So I'll be calling AT&T for a discount.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mutantblack:
that's why you always should back up everyday. I use the sprite backup and it's good enough. At least you got the replacement phone back already. i am still waiting for mine.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kjb86:
does sprite back up actually back up text messages?

I lost a bunch of small things like that too, or at least, I assume i've lost them.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] msg1285:
Has anybody solved this problem yet.

My phone was working great yesterday and I even noticed battery life was better than normal. I plugged my phone in with 30% battery I happened to wake up last nite and noticed the lite had turned green but I ust left it plugged in until morning. When I woke up 4 hours later all I have is the red light and not response form anything.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sWuRv:
Yes, I had a red light brick and, by messing around with the battery I fixed it. I was trying different things and all of a sudden I pushed the powewr button and it booted up like nothing ever happened. Search for a thread I started called "red light solved", or something similar. Note that someone else had tried the same things that seemed to fix mine, and reported that it did nothing to his. There is hope, though. I have fixed mine so it is entirely possible to fix yours, we just need to refine exactly what the problem was. Obviously it is a battery problem, so start messing around. If you get yours to boot up, please remember exactly what you were doing at the time so we can refine the fix. Good luck!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] msg1285:
I don't completely agree it is a battery problem. At least not mine, I went to the At&T store and tried a new battery and it still didn't boot.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tyeo098:
I **** myself when it bricked, does that count?

And its not a battery issue at all, the device was simply complying with FCC regualtions and IF YOU READ THE MANUAL (or my other post, which you can dig for, I am not going to quote myself) saying that in an event of excessive heat caused by a defective chip, in complying with FCC regulations (here in the USA) the devive will promptly (in lamens terms) brick itself. Or as I like to say it, DUD3 1ts t3h br0|<3n!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sWuRv:
OK whatever. Mine was bricked and I fixed it by messing with the battery. I guess playing around with the battery magically replaced a "defective chip" in my phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tyeo098:
Or maybe it wasnt bricked at all and the battery simply wasnt pushing hard ebough on the contacts that ensure that it is in
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sWuRv:
I'm just trying to help people and let them know that a RLOD doesn't necessarily mean that your phone is bricked. I fixed mine and I'm hoping other people can fix theirs too. ^Sorry for the snotty comment, no hard feelings I hope. I'm pretty sure the battery was making good contact, as I don't think the bending of the pins is what revived mine. I guess all I'm trying to say is that I had the same symptoms that everyone else with a RLOD had, and mine was able to be revived. So there's hope for anyone with a RLOD.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] msg1285:
sWuRv from what I have read ( and I have read close to 100 posts) you are one of a very very few that have had the RLOD fixed.

Does anybody know exactly how the 4 prongs on the back of the phone work, are they just a gound for the battery?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tyeo098:
They're just little contact switches, push them down, battery in, them up, no battery.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hakunamatata:
Stock TILT RLOD

Mine was still stock since I was not sure if I wanted to keep it. It was fine till last night but the charge was a little low so I put it on the charger and went to bed. This morning, it was bricked. Now, let me say this. This is the first time I have left it charge overnight. And from what I have read so far, that seems to be a common case with a lot of people here. before this, I followed the standard best practices of battery charging, charge when extremely low, take off charge as soon as full.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drokkon:
I don't expect how they can expect someone to hover around their phone and stop charging it when it's "full." Isn't that what these "smart-chips" inside chargers are for anyway?

I'd venture to say that us RLoDers are a minority, and the majority of Tilt users charge their units overnight.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jonathanrobertbolton:
Add me to the list:

Woke up this morning (late) to a red light. 16 pages and no solution but to return it? This sucks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wildbilll:
Sorry this is long.

I first noticed mine had a charge problem when I was on a 2 hour trip using Garmin Mobile XT, it was plugged into the Cingular OEM Charger in the car.

I didn't pay attention to the led. After 2 hours, it made a noise and quit.

When I unplugged the charger, it restarted, but it told me it was almost gone on the battery.

When I plugged it back into the OEM car charger, the LED was red. The screen brightness was flickering, like a voltage that was fluctuating. The car was off, so I can't blame it on the alternator.

I took the battery out, it was warm. (so was the phone) I waited till everything cooled off, but that made no difference.

When I got home, I plugged it to the OEM wall charger and it charged up completely, led was amber until full charge, then it turned green.

Later I put it back on the car charger and it showed it was charging.

After about 10 minutes, the led went from amber to off. I looked at the battery charge screen, it showed it was charging, but as time passed it was actually discharging.(yet the word shown was "charging", and the screen stayed lit)

I tried a new car charger, same results.

I plugged it into the USB on the computer, it worked OK.

I called ATT and they sent me a refurb unit, less battery, rear cover and stylus.

It works fine. I don't know when the problem began. I have used it in the past on the car charger and never had a problem. I typically used the computer's usb to charge overnite.

I do classify this as the red lite of death, just only when using the car charger.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jonathanrobertbolton:
Put in a call to AT&T, and the replacement is on it's way. Tech I spoke with said he'd never heard of this before. I also called HTC and the tech I spoke with there said he'd never heard of it before. I asked both places to log this occurance. I really don't want to have to worry about this happening again, but no answers or solutions have been provided yet.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kjb86:
I have mine on its way back from repair. All i know is that they replaced the main board. They really wouldn't tell me anything else.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drokkon:
I appreciate the tips, but if you'd read any of this thread, you'd know that this is not a battery issue. Your theory was put forth earlier - while it may be a problem for some, it's not the cause of THIS particular RLoD.

Everyone here will tell you that they either a) went to the store and tried a fresh battery in their RLoD Tilt to no avail or b) put their own battery into the replacement Tilt sent by AT&T and the replacement Tilt powered right up with the battery at 100%.

I hope your instructions can help somebody somewhere, but I don't think they'll help most people in this thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] scooter1010:
I agree. That was not the cure for my RLOD Tilt. I am an amateur radio operator and have done the battery trick before with other devices. This is a manufacturing defect that turns the device into lock down mode because of a mechanical failure. Just my two cents.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pppppp:
A shame...

Boo.

(1) But don't disregard this: new batteries are DRAINED when manufactured several months earlier. Then, new batteries may provide no solution to the problem

(2) Many people (not the one who post) had the problem overnight or after draining the battery completely (in my case, I got to see the startup screen of the OS before the device fainted) In any case NOT WHILE USING the device.

For those cases in which the battery worked in other device, this theory does not apply, I apologize. :(

Cheers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] LTxda:
Well, I purchased two Kaisers/Tilts and one just died yesterday. Red LED crap. Called AT&T and they were going to send a refurbed unit but since I purchased these in within the last 30 days i'm taking it back to the store for a new unit. I paid for a new unit and expect a new unit. Let's hope this crap doesn't happen my other Kaiser. The one it happened to was for my mom and the poor woman is without a phone now until we get them swapped out. HTC quality seems to be on the decline. If things keep going like this we may be forced to look for another manufacturer of PDA phones. :-/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drokkon:
1) I'm nearly positive that AT&T ships Tilts with half-charged batteries. That's what my salesperson said, and when he opened my new box and inserted the battery, it booted right up. Makes sense, since the salesperson has to boot it up in-store to get you started. Not sure about batteries sold by HTC or other carriers.

2) That's when it happened to me too - overnight, not while using it.

I really think your solution has merit - it's just that the people in this thread seem to be troubled mostly by a non-battery-related RLoD.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Boinng:
Anyone OUTSIDE North America?

This thread makes for very uncomfortable reading, and it's obvious there's quite a serious and widespread problem here - but as a Brit reading this it also seems obvious that (apparently) everyone posting this fault is in the US or Canada. Some phones may be European versions or running various different ROMs (eg, not just Tilts) but none of these events appears to have happened outside North America. There doesn't appear to be anyone here who's had this problem in Europe, or Asia for example. Is there any chance that tells us something? I don't know, I'm just putting the idea out there, and hoping there might be some reason why this isn't going to happen to me!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
Damn.. this stuff has me nervous as hell. I keep checking on my tilt while its' charging lol. Making sure i dont see a red light. *knocks on wood*.

Just out of curiosity, which is better? charging with a wall unit or a pc?

if pc, any usb cord that fits will give the same charge right?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Malik05:
There shouldn't really be a difference. A standard charger emits 5V where as all standard mini-usb cable can emit up 5V as well, but can fluctuate depending on its hub ( i can be wrong, but i am pretty sure this is correct.)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] scooter1010:
Running out the door. If memory serves correct the USB/PC is a trickle charge and the wall unit is full charging.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kjb86:
Mine is a european version and I believe mine came from Hong Kong so it's not just North America
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ph0ne:
This just happened to me this morning on my way into work. I was charging my stock att tilt with the default $30 car charger sold from a ATT mall kiosk. Looks like I am making a trip to the ATT store. Should they be able to replace the phone on the spot or will they mail you one?