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[Samsung Gear S3] tincansoftware:
Update:

Since I got back I've caught a virus, slipped a disc and broken a tooth - I think my home town is trying to kill me.

More relevant to you guys, two of my developers have admitted defeat and left their roles. The first was developing the screen reader accessibility service, the second was coding the STT hooks for Tizen. I've left the accessibility service for now since it can be made functional using another developers service as a 3rd party plugin; much easier work than securing a new service. I've just finished the STT API calls, so the watch app is complete to stage 1 (sending commands).

(On a side note: both these Devs told me that what I was asking for couldn't be done... so you can now be 100% certain that it'll be done, mostly coded by myself, and finished soon. I'm a bit oppositional like that, especially when I'm told something is impossible).

This just leaves the following:

1) Integration with 3rd party accessibility service (basically just invoking the service & passing a few parameters via intent extra data).

2) Final touches required for the stores (eg, deep links, screenshots, etc).

So I'm now anticipating having it all available by the end of this week - by the end of next month I hope to have the following also available:

1) Basic Bixby, Alexa and maybe even Cortana support.

2) Some results and responses to the watch from Google.

Thanks for your patience, it should pay off in the next few days. I'd cross my fingers, but given my run of luck this week I'm afraid I might break them!

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Thanks for the voke of confidence! I'm completely with you on this; I actually used a Sony SWR-30 until early this year solely for its assistant and call integration - when technology from half a decade ago is preferable to the current top of the range, you know there's a problem.

I almost bought an S2 until I found out there was no assistant support; I bought the S3 assuming there would've been by that point. This has therefore become a passion project for me - the emotion is more "resentment" than "love", but it's getting the job done!

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The initial app will be for sending commands to GAssistant, with minor responses. Another is in the works to bring GA to the Tizen based watches, however due to how Google are licensing the SDK it'll most likely have to be a subscription based service (as much as I hate them).

Off-topic:

Just a note on SPay; since I published my guide on getting the watches SPay working with unlocked phones Samsung have responded by updating the SPay Gear plugin. It now works on unlocked phones without all the messing around - if you followed my guide (think it was here on XDA, not sure) however, re-enter your cards instead of importing them or they'll be rejected by the bank verification. Don't know why, but it works if you add them as new cards.

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Yes, it should now.
[Samsung Gear S3] bogus83:
Man, sounds like a rough week. We're all eagerly anticipating the release of this project, but I'm certain nobody will mind if you need to take some time and rest up.

That's fine, I'd be happy with one-way communication with no responses at all. I mainly use GA to trigger automation commands where the result takes place in the observable world, and having this ability on a watch would remove the requirement to dig out a phone or be near a smart speaker. Full GA support would be great, but I bet there are a lot of us who just want to trigger GA routines, IFTTT, or AutoVoice/Tasker.
[Samsung Gear S3] tincansoftware:
Thanks, although I've reached a compromise. I have everything up and running now in a slipshod kind of way; I'll publish the apps within the next 24 hours, and make amendments as necessary.

Then we're definitely in the same boat; able to search using a browser, yet unable to switch off the lights or cue up Netflix through the wrist.
[Samsung Gear S3] jd_ashurst:
[MENTION=9224011]tincansoftware[/MENTION],

I'm guessing this will be downloadable directly through the Galaxy Apps store?
[Samsung Gear S3] tincansoftware:
That's the plan; the watch app is headed to the galaxy store obviously, and it'd be easier to have the droids in the galaxy store as well (and not just because one of Samsung's peculiarities is their prohibition of deep linking to the Play store if possible).

I'll be submitting the droid apps to the Play store anyway; there's still some rough code and uncaught exceptions which may delay entry to the galaxy store compared to the more forgiving play store.
[Samsung Gear S3] jd_ashurst:
[MENTION=9224011]tincansoftware[/MENTION] sorry if I seem pushy or anything. I've just been looking forward to this for a month or so so I'm a little excited :D

Could we see a screenshot of the UI as a teaser?

Thanks for your hard work buddy
[Samsung Gear S3] red_hits:
[MENTION=9224011]tincansoftware[/MENTION] will it work with other languages like French ? Thank you for your work !
[Samsung Gear S3] zippyioa:
I've been watching this thread with great anticipation. I have never really liked S Voice as it usually takes numerous attempts to get near what I want it to do, therefore I don't really use the Voice features which is a shame.

Google assistant on my phone and my Google Home nearly always get it 100% right first time, so if you can extend that service to my S3 (and also my just now pre-ordered Galaxy Watch) them I'll be a VERY happy chap ?
[Samsung Gear S3] slaydog:
What made you go for the Galaxy Watch, out of curiosity..?
[Samsung Gear S3] zippyioa:
Mostly my addiction to gadgets! ?

I got the Gear S3 at its launch so I've had it almost 2 years and fancy a change.

An Android watch really appeals as a replacement, but battery life of 2 days doesn't work for me.

I nearly got the Ticwatch Pro, having owned the Ticwatch 2 Onyx briefly before the Gear S3 I know they make great hardware, bit the reviews seemed to indicate battery wasn't as good as claimed.

I would stick with my Gear S3, but it's lack of proper waterproofing means I can't swim/shower with it, both things I took for granted with my 5ATM rated Pebble Time. When I read IP68 I incorrectly assume it would be fine in water (I know others risk theirs, but I won't).

The Galaxy Watch is 5ATM so I will only need to take it off to clean/charge it which really appeals.

I have found the S3 battery life to be around Samsung's suggested 3-4 days. So hopefully the 7 day claimed from the Galaxy watch will be realistic for me.

After the unpacked event I wasn't sure if the upgrade would be worth it..... so decided to wait for a better battery life Android Wear OS watch......... but then I saw the pre-order offer on the Samsung quite this morning..... A free duo wireless charger and Galaxy Watch 46mm for £299. I got almost £9 cashback from Topcashback off that to, so I'm happy.

I should be able to sell my Gear S3 (which I got for £280 originally) for around £120 to CEX. After 20+ months use I'm happy with that ?
[Samsung Gear S3] bogus83:
The new Galaxy Watch doesn't support MST for Samsung Pay. Sounds like a cheap used Gear S3 is about to become a lot more popular... and that means a lot of people are going to be excited about this app!
[Samsung Gear S3] MrBrady:
MST is really the only reason I'm using this watch. I was getting my hopes up that the new Gear watch would still have MST and also be running Android Wear like previous rumors.
[Samsung Gear S3] levistep:
Can't you buy a smart watch that runs Android Wear/Wear OS and use Samsung Pay through Chase Pay now that Chase & Samsung have partnered?
[Samsung Gear S3] hawkjm73:
The big deal is WHERE you can use MST. NFC payments are really great, but merchant support is still thready. Maybe half the places I regularly shop have NFC terminals.

MST, though, can be used at near every location. It interacts with the magnetic strip reader as if you were swiping a physical card. This is why the S3 is so valuable, even if it means the frustration of no WearOS.
[Samsung Gear S3] bogus83:
"Can't you buy a smart watch that runs Android Wear/Wear OS and use Samsung Pay through Chase Pay now that Chase & Samsung have partnered?"

Even if that were possible, there are no WearOS watches that I know of with MST. So you'd be limited to NFC, and that would significantly reduce its usefulness. Given the choice between a Tizen watch and a WearOS watch both without MST, I'd go WearOS for the native Google and Android apps... I already have MST on my phone.
[Samsung Gear S3] levistep:
I understand the difference between MST and NFC. My understanding is that Chase & Samsung partnership allows you to use MST technology through Chase Pay now. I am incorrect in this assumption? I always assumed MST was a software thing and not a hardware thing, right?

I don't know why, but i'm obsessed with getting MST on my watch even though I have a Galaxy phone. I think because i'd prefer a Google phone in the future
[Samsung Gear S3] bogus83:
Unfortunately no, MST is very much a hardware technology that's supported by software, and Samsung owns the company that invented it along with the patent for its implementation. That's why no other watches or phones had it, and it sounds like no watches in the upcoming generation will have it at all unless Samsung puts out another product at some point.

Interestingly, LG is working on a similar technology for their "LG Pay", called Wireless Magnetic Communication (WMC). A lot of articles mistakenly claim that LG is using MST because the two technologies are very similar, but not the same. So we might eventually get a WearOS LG watch with magnetic payment technology.
[Samsung Gear S3] MrBrady:
I really have no idea. It's not Samsung Pay that I'm interested in. It's MST. As far as I know, Gear S3 is the only watch that has MST and that's a Samsung proprietary technology. Would be great if it her watches start using MST too.
[Samsung Gear S3] jd_ashurst:
Not sure if this was a well known thing, but I found a way to at least use Google search functionality with voice in a pretty quick and accessible way since I think tincansoftware may be trolling. Not willing to call it yet but I'm skeptical.

Anyways, download Samsung internet, then set it to the activate on the double tap home key in settings. Then all you have to do to use Google search with voice quickly is just double tap home key and select web search on the menu. It's not perfect but it's pretty functional for simple searching.
[Samsung Gear S3] kangi26:
I'd say that since you've said "I think tincansoftware may be trolling", you have, in fact called it.

I might recommend that if you have a solution for something, then just share it. There's no need to say one thing or another about anything anyone else is working on. In my mind, THAT is trolling.
[Samsung Gear S3] jd_ashurst:
I meant I'm not claiming to be 100% sure that he is. It's just a guess. I'm not trying to disparage anyone, just sharing my thoughts. Also, I did provide a solution I'd thought of?

If you want me to go into the evidence, I can. I think it's pretty reasonable to get skeptical at this point considering he's said he had a version ready to share a few times, said he'd release it the next month, then the next day, then the next week, then the next day again, then just stopped responding.

If he actually does have something, I'd love to see it and admit I'm wrong.
[Samsung Gear S3] kangi26:
I'm just suggesting that publicly mentioning something that you suspect causes lots of problems around here. No one can make any determination as to why he says it'll be released and isn't. No one has any idea what is going on with the creation of it, Samsung not allowing it to be published or even what is happening in his(or her) own personal life. Just allow it to be what it is, when it is or even IF.

Yes, you did give a solution, sorry, I missed that :p
[Samsung Gear S3] jd_ashurst:
Perhaps you're right. Just seems suspicious but I probably could've worded it better. My apologies.
[Samsung Gear S3] armada786:
The golden rule of XDA is not to ask for ETAs. The silver rule should probably be not to give ETAs and just release it when it's ready. I, for one, took a while to learn that lol
[Samsung Gear S3] mrmrmrmr:
I've just found this thread (again) today and read all posts. at first I was excited because I believed tincansoftware. But now I think it is going nowhere.

Maybe tincansoftware is not lying or trolling but if there was something near to working we'd see proof of it. Maybe some screenshots or a prerelease, beta something..

Google has a beta process open to all developers.

I am also developing Android & Tizen apps and I know the process. Google's approval for such tools does not take more than a few hours. Most of my apps get approved in less than an hour.

Samsung's Gear apps on the other hand take more time to be approved. Like a few days to 1-2 weeks.

Btw, I have also decided to make an app to support Amazon Alexa assistant on Gear watches. Idea was simple;

1-record the voice on watch and send to phone

2-process recorded voice and send to Amazon Alexa api

3- get response on phone

4- if possible send the response back to watch

But I have no time to create this app. It needs some digging to code the 1st and 2nd steps. Maybe someone can do it. It is not a big deal if you've time.
[Samsung Gear S3] tincansoftware:
Hi all,

I can assure you I'm not trolling here; I honestly wouldn't waste the time and money on jerking your chains. I agree I probably shouldn't have given any ETA's. The ones I gave were based on estimations given to me by the coders I hired for the project. Unfortunately, as I think I mentioned earlier these guys turned out to be pretty useless and had misrepresented their abilities quite a bit. Myself, I can only devote one day per week to this project so I really was relying on their work to get this done.

So, to address a few things. The prototype which I mentioned was simply a Tizen app with a few hard coded commands, which were sent to the assistant via Tasker. The plan was to release with an independent accessibility service, however the coder hired was not up to this. I've tweaked the Tasker script enough for it to work as a kid app, so for now I'm hoping to release that and update to an independent service (or other solution) when it's ready.

A few things are slowing me down. I'm trying to make the Android apps as innocuous as possible, since they use the phones assistant rather than the SDK. I'll most likely ditch the accessibility service and just integrate the assistant API into the companion app, despite the cost and assuming approval from Google. Another recent delay was that after getting STT working properly on the watch I completely forgot to design any UI; it's literally just a black screen with a "Hello, Tizen" label. I'm doing up a basic UI now, otherwise Samsung obviously won't take it. Finally, I'm trying to resolve some errors with the companion app running outside the emulator. At the moment it loads on startup and crashes; it reloads and works as it should, but that intial crash on loading is a problem for listing in the store.

The overall biggest delay I've faced over the past fortnight however was not having an S3 charging cradle after mine died. This meant I couldn't test my code (the SAP plugins for the emulators are a PITA), so I've been languishing.

So sorry about the missed deadlines, but rest assured it'll be ready soon.
[Samsung Gear S3] decievedthought:
Thank you for the update sorry for a few random voices we internetters can be a fickle bunch! :)
[Samsung Gear S3] rapdactyl:
Really cool to hear of your effort [MENTION=9224011]tincansoftware[/MENTION]! I'd eagerly pay for a Google assistant on the gear s3, especially since I now know the next Samsung watch isn't for me.
[Samsung Gear S3] jd_ashurst:
Thanks for the update [MENTION=9224011]tincansoftware[/MENTION]
[Samsung Gear S3] tincansoftware:
If you're a Tizen dev you know that these first two steps are far from simple for those unfamiliar with the API's; when I first approached this project it seemed that they would be, however the confused organisation of the reference materials and a number of uncorrected errors throughout make it much less so (honestly, I wouldn't have noticed a number of these had I not encountered them before in other code). If you haven't used these API's before then it could be a pretty big deal - it might take a while to learn the esoteric nuances required to get it going.

I had been planning on extending my app to support Alexa once it was done; if you wanted to do it instead you're welcome to write a plugin to piggyback off my software. At the moment, the watch sends a command via SAP to the phone, where the command is parsed before being passed to another plugin to execute (thus abstracting the execution code from the main communication code). All you'd receive is a string containing the query text, which you can then do with as you like; once I get the response-to-watch section done you'll also be able to send a reply back to the watch if you wanted.

Basically, the way I've set it up allows any approved app to send and receive messages from the watch without requiring the developer to code the SAP link or the STT procedure - just Android coding, nothing else. It'll even work with Tasker/Automate/etc for those who want to speak to a script. If you want to do this send me a PM and we can discuss; but please wait until I publish the app for a reply (as I probably won't be back here until then).
[Samsung Gear S3] Mr_Armageddon:
Keeping an eye on this thread. Looking to get the new Galaxy Watch to replace my aging Moto 360 G2, and really don't care for Bixby Assistant. Most reviews are showning it's pretty worthless at this point, although better than S Voice. If an app like this gives us Google Assistant, I'll buy.

That being said, waiting to put down money until I see what Google releases on Sept 10th along with Qualcomm...
[Samsung Gear S3] crxssi:
Count me as another person possibly interested in this concept. SVoice and its search results are pretty crappy compared to Google Voice/Now/Assistant/Search whatever on the phone :)
[Samsung Gear S3] mrmrmrmr:
[MENTION=9224011]tincansoftware[/MENTION] , thanks for the explanation.

So you don't record the voice on watch , instead you convert it to text and then send to phone through SAP. How do you convert the text ?

if you are on it, then maybe it is better to let you do the Alexa part as well. I really don't have much time to work on it , and trying to understand your interface would be complex. instead I believe you can add Alexa API easily once you do it for Google assistant.
[Samsung Gear S3] yuzaman:
I will be happy to buy an app like this because with google assistant my s3 will be near to be perfect; good work
[Samsung Gear S3] coolhandz:
With the new Galaxy watches not having MST, it means I'll be using the S3 for a bit longer as that is one feature that I'm not quite willing to give up.

With that being said, Bixby sucks and having Google Assistant on this watch would make me hold onto it for another 2 years or as long as the battery holds out.

Very much looking forward to seeing this app come to fruition.
[Samsung Gear S3] Maciekh:
Bought Galaxy Watch, is there any way to user google assistant from watch?
[Samsung Gear S3] dertester123:
nope (other than some browser trickery)
[Samsung Gear S3] ch3ffy:
yes there is..kindda.. checkout "Wearable Widgets"

Pretty simple and functional too.

All you need to do is create a simple widget (I use Zooper Widgets" and add it to WW. Works fine, the only thing is that all you end up with is a way to activate google assistant on your phone..

I also use WW to add a weather widget from my favourite local weather app.

HTH
[Samsung Gear S3] Maciekh:
Thank You both for answers, for now it is not effective watch. I don't have voice to text recognized (polish) while typing sms or email. Cant answer outlook emails. Can't use Ok Google & some question. I still have Huawei Watch 2 lte, it looks older, it has slower menu but all above works... :( Do You think there will be some official link to use Wear Os features on Galaxy Watch?
[Samsung Gear S3] masterfury:
is it finished yet??? realy looking forward to this for my s3 frontier
[Samsung Gear S3] Cloudane:
Needless to say....
[Samsung Gear S3] mrmrmrmr:
oh come on... do you still believe this will happen ?
[Samsung Gear S3] coolhandz:
I want to believe.
[Samsung Gear S3] eleckito21:
We need "ok google" lol

Envoyé de mon SM-G930F en utilisant Tapatalk
[Samsung Gear S3] xjrc:
yes, it would be an awesome feature to have
[Samsung Gear S3] tincansoftware:
I do :)

The last few weeks the apps have been in review with Samsung; each round of validation takes a working week (~5 days), and we're currently up to the fourth submission. I believe this one has ticked all Samsung's policy boxes, which is the only delaying factor now.

It should be available end of next week all going well.
[Samsung Gear S3] mrmrmrmr:
great !

then you already have the Android part ready on market ?
[Samsung Gear S3] tincansoftware:
Not for the app itself (ie, the companion app) as the listing's suspended until the watch app becomes available. Until that happens the companion's not considered to be a functional app (obviously). The companions listing is approved, however, so can be activated once the watch app clears validation.

That's not to say that nothing's out yet. I've listed one plugin for the app already (allowing use of Google Assistant), which I've just updated to work with the new look Assistant. I've got another two plugins ready for listing (Clipboard & Alexa), but getting the Google Assistant back up was my priority.

So all I'm waiting on is approval of the watch app, essentially. If I get time I'll post a video showing it working with Google Assistant, but no promises.
[Samsung Gear S3] Saucery:
Is your app compatibile with Samsung Galaxy Watch ?? If so I'd buy it right away :)
[Samsung Gear S3] tincansoftware:
Yes, but it needs a local connection to the phone for SAP to work (ie, connected via bt or wifi.).

If it doesn't show up for you once it's approved let me know, I'm not sure if I explicitly supported the Galaxy resolution or not.
[Samsung Gear S3] erghetto:
so we should see the app available on galaxy app? is this what you mean?
[Samsung Gear S3] tincansoftware:
Not yet, hopefully early next week.
[Samsung Gear S3] erghetto:
yeah yeah i meant that.

however, i'll wait the advice here, because we don't know how it will be called on galaxy store XD i mean, which will be the name of the app
[Samsung Gear S3] Z793:
Can you send the app files ( .wgt , .apk )?
[Samsung Gear S3] Rushmed:
Cant wait, looking forward to release!
[Samsung Gear S3] caiokv:
That is so awesome! I am going to buy a new smartwatch, after my trusty Moto 360 died. And the frontier seems to be the best alternative around, but without GA it is so much less useful. Bixby sucks, but S Voice is much worse!
[Samsung Gear S3] Goldenrooster:
Would LOVE a little video to see the action that we can expect... Plllllease!
[Samsung Gear S3] erghetto:
Every day might be the good one.

We can only wait guys
[Samsung Gear S3] Gary Brett:
I'd be all over this if it arrives, I'm still undecided on keeping Galaxy Watch due to its terrible fitness tracking, this could definitely be the decider for me.

Good luck with it, can you let us know the name of the app on release?