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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
Like I said, pending the "fix" or whatever it is and what it actually enhances, the donations should resume and become more finalized after that. There are still conflicting reports that HTC plans to release actual video drivers and reports that the fix is just an OS enhancement.

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] muthaflaco:
^^ Please post the reports of HTC releasing drivers. ^^

The ONLY reports I've seen are about the software fix.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bankside:
Software fix

This seems to say it all. No driver, just a software fix.

http://lifestyle.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=12010
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
This fix better get quake running on my tilt, multi player style.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mav42:
ok Just spoken to a real person @HTC Aust (sydney) after i got thier head office #(Aust) the whole issue is down to licencing and paying a fee to use video hardware, which in this case HTC didnt :o, i was also told that HTC are indeed looking at resolving this issue in the very near future
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Name_of_Alan:
I know it was mentioned before..... that the video driver for the iMate 9502/8502 could be a source of joy for creating a driver for the Kaisers... well, the release of said iMate devices here in Australia is about to happen.

Telstra (our local nasty, big phone company with nasty habits) has posted full page ads touting the devices... that they will be out in early March, world exclusive launch to Telstra.

So maybe they can be used as a source of driver information after all. A WM 6 device based on the Qualcom chipset.....

Check out http://www.imate.com/pt-pr-2008-Telstra_Ultimates.aspx
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
This is probably what Manila is being written for?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
Just because a new device has 3d acceleration doesn't mean they are compatible with the msm 7200/7500

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
Since the video driver project is dead, can we lock this whole thread?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
So? That's it? Nobody wants to look at this? Nobody cares to update?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Straputsky:
I thought we'll wait what HTC will do. When HTC has released their fix, we know where we are and can progress from there. Am I wrong?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] johnllombart:
That sounds like a fair plan. Has anyone heard whether the new Verizon Touch will have the drivers? If not, which new HTC phones will?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Either they're all working hard on it and ignoring XDA, or nobody else is working on it; based on the null responses I've been getting.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] johnllombart:
That's Sad. Another company gets away with disregarding the wants of it's customers.

Unfortunately, this obvious case of misleading advertisement (or just plain false advertisement) goes unpunished. HTC will probably release another 'band aid' fix to cover itself from liability. Hopefully, this will do something.But, they seem pretty adamant about not releasing a video driver.

This seems like a clever game of releasing a new chipset with crippled multimedia performance and then repackaging the current phone gen w/ the necessary drivers and marketing it as the new end-all-be-all phone.

Shame on you HTC.

After all is said and done, and everyone forgets about this issue, it's still a crying shame that I could play my snes emulator on the PPC 6700 just fine but not on my touch.

sigh
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] flashy:
I'm sorry for being ignorant, but what is the fuss about with regards to the video speed/quality?

I can play avi's, scroll quickley etc on my kaiser and I don't have any need for any updated drivers.

Or is everybody talking about Games and higher FPS sort of thing?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] boart:
http://www.htcclassaction.org/ <-- read thit. but if u are happy with ur kaiser, then dont read it. maybe u are not happy anymore after reading :-)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Apex i ITR:
I felt liek you....like how does this concern me. But you know what after being in a situation where I had to use the camera.......I'm completely in support of this movement.

The camera phone on the tilt takes pictures worse then a 1 mega pixel camera. its absolutely horrible. If I had known I serious may not have bought this phone.

When the iPhone comes out with a 3g handset then I'm probably going buy one and swap Sim's. The UI is slow as molasses when compared to the Apple UI.

I had such high hopes for this phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Torino10:
Maybe you should wait for the release of the Xperia, I'm certainly hoping HTC has learned it's lesson by then with trusting Qualcom processors. I am personally hoping that Dev's on this site will be able to backwards engineer the drivers for the Xperia to make my Tilt live up to my expectations, I have a lot of faith in XDA-Developers, I hope I can learn enough by reading the forums here to one day contribute something useful myself.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cmcginnis:
As a fairly new Tilt owner and a software developer by day, I have taken interest in what it will take to create hardware D3D drivers for my Tilt. Having said that I do not have any experience write device drivers or working with hardware directly, but you have somewhere! Why not with one of my favorite gadgets.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] halfchkn:
Yes, you can play AVI's.. but can it play them WELL? if you do the comparisson, the unit doesn't perform anywhere near the expected way. Once again, this is an expensive unit compared to most PDA's on the market. At least it should perform like it is.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cmcginnis:
I do not think the driver project is dead. We just need to port Android's linux drivers to WinCE! http://git.android.com/?p=linux-msm.git;a=tree;f=drivers/video/msm;hb=HEAD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coincoinlapin:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this project is NOT compatible with our (tilt-users) qualcomm chipset. Something about revisions... 7200 vs 7200a I don't quite remember.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
7200a is 65nm (lower-power) version of the 90nm 7200, so no.

The reason it won't work is because it's Android. It's the same as trying to bring a MacOS Nvidia driver into your Window XP. Read up on kernel infrastructures, kernel mode versus user mode drivers, etc.

Maybe there's some hardware info that can be gleaned and ported, but you'll still have to write a driver from scratch, or an emulation wrapper that which would be slow.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cmcginnis:
Agreed. I was looking at as a source of information that seemed previously unavailable.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeymc:
current touch cruise owner

hey guys,

i own a touch cruise right now, but i'm considering switching to tytn ii because i really need the keyboard.

i want to know if every single tytn ii is affected by this video problem as well.

some ppl in the polaris forum don't think they have this problem at all.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Imperium:
Yes, every TyTN2 is affected unfortunately.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mackaby007:
Kaiser is great IMHO

I disagree entirely. I'm all for the drivers to be produced and made available to us for maximun benefit across the entire Kaiser, but my Kaiser runs just fine compared to my previous TyTN I and Athena/Advantage.

My gripe is that we haven't received what was advertised and that is because HTC have not sought to use the hardware of the Qualcomm 3D chipset which would greatly enhance the Kaiser in every respect.

Video playback is now actually as good as it was on my 624Mhz Athena, thanks to Coreplayer 1.2.x as it uses the QTV overlay (hardware support).

My kids have 200 Mhz Wizards and my Wife has a 200Mhz Touch and I maintain them all. Believe me, the refresh rates in general use and screen rotation, video playback etc...blows them all out of the water.

I watched a movie on my Kaiser last night (using Coreplayer 1.2.1) with a resolution of 640x360 (that's almost VGA - Athena could not handle this a few months ago, but can now with latest version of coreplayer). I played the entire movie and lost less than 0.25% in dropped frames!

Is the Kaiser performing fine? IMHO and years of user experience with many HTC PPC's...Yes, BUT it could be the best ever PPC/Phone ever released if it had hardware support throughout.

Bottom line: I'm glad I got me a Kaiser.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kasaad:
Need a testing device?

Try Device Anywhere by Mobile Complete. They have hundreds of actual phones setup to a public server where you can actually access the phone. This is not a VM but the actual devices. Very slick!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fisha21:
Interesting idea.

But looking at the pricing structure, it would actually be a lot cheaper to buy a device.

Good thinking though - more outside-the-box needed, I think!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iatropoul:
Mickeymc kaiser and polaris share the same issues regarding garphics acceleration! They both have qualcomm 7200 without drivers! So I cannot understand why polaris users say that they don't experience any problems with polaris!!!!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeymc:
that was exactly what i thought too. but i don't know how to explain this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWHVFlHLtjw

???:confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeymc:
does anyone know if o2 xda stellars are suffering from the same problem?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] goknights:
Mine is a two part question. First, when Android comes out will we be able to simply 'flash' our kaisers, replacing windows mobile with Android? Second, if we are able to use Android, what are the odds that the drivers they were using for the 7200a chipset in the demo movie would also work for our 7200 chipset.

Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
Partial driver implementation

Hi Guys (and Girls)

I have been following the Driver issue for about a month now as that's when I got my XDA Stellar.

Has anyone actually looked at the MSDN.com yet for how to build drivers? I have had a browse and found out some stuff that we may find useful when it comes to getting some hardware acceleration and porting some android HW acceleration.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa910457.aspx

(it does say Windows Embedded CE but I expect the principles are the same)

It seems that we can start with the basic software driver and then add hardware accelerated features as we discover them. When it comes to discovering the HW acceleration hopefully some of the android source will help.

I am having trouble finding windows mobile specific driver development information in MSDN so if you find any let me know!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Raven_coda:
Flashing Android to our kaiser could be a possiblility. I doubt an image will be made for us so that means we need to get Android working on these phones ourseleves.

Using the driver for Windows Mobile is out of the question as the Android driver is really a Linux driver. Linux has a completly different way of looking at hardware then Windows does. However, once the Android (Linux) driver is out in the wild there is a good chance that it will provide us with some much needed info to help with writing a new Windows Mobile driver.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cmcginnis:
I have been kicking that idea around for that past week. Unfortunately I don't have the time to devote to it, especially since I have never written a driver before.

You can download the evaluation version of the Windows Embedded 6.0 Platform Builder which provides the source code for different display drivers.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=7E286847-6E06-4A0C-8CAC-CA7D4C09CB56&displaylang=en

I plan to tinker with it at some point, just not sure when.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] goknights:
I meant using the 7200a android driver on our 7200 running android , not win mobile. Sorry for being unclear.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] janys:
Maybe somebody already posted this...

HTC's driver issue is LG's, too
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Btw, you should try to get Platform Builder 5.0 since that's what Windows Mobile 6.x is running on (much like Win2000 is NT5.0, and WinXP is NT5.1 while Vista is NT6.0).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rev3nant:
Windows Mobile 6.x is based around Windows CE 5.2. And Platform Builder is a set of tools for building a platform around Windows CE (like Windows Mobile).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
So I can use Platform Builder 6.x to target WinCE 5.x/WinMob 6.x? Nice to know and thanks for the correction. Now it makes sense why getting PB5.x was so difficult.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
I will have to have a look at Windows Embedded 6.0 Platform Builder. I would have a bit of a tinker with the idea as well but real work is way to busy to spare the time till year end
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rev3nant:
You can use Platform Builder to target a world of weird devices (like car computers), as long as you have required loaders and drivers, not only Pocket PCs and Smartphones.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] m_m507@hotmail.com:
Can you please send me that unlock code.

I spent countless hours on the phone with att but they would not give me unlock code for my tilt. They say I have to be with att service for at least 3 month before i can unlock it. Please send me that code, I'm going to Germany in April and would use my phone there instead of renting one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Macgyvec3:
His code won't work for your phone. Each phone has an individual code. At&t has them for their branded phones. It's related to your IMEI. You'll have to get it another way. Maybe buy it from them?

P.S. Your phone will work as-is in Germany with At&t. There will probably be extra charges but the phone itself will work just fine anywhere in the world through At&t's service. Ask At&t what charges would apply.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rflnc1:
he means so he can buy a sim there and use it. I suggest reading the wiki http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TiltSpecificWikiPage
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] webpatrick:
I'm Sorry guys (and girls), but you are off topic here.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MDA-Fan:
I´ve made some tests and benchmarks yesterday and came to the conclusion that my kaiser performs like my magician when the magician is set to 200 MHZ! (Altough it´s nothing really new)

Thats a shame!

I´m going to sell the kaiser and never ever buy a HTC product again, if there is no fix within a month!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
smh @ all these video driver addicts, who cares.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jasperrr:
Could you please get out of this topic instead of hijacking it.

There are a lot of people that care probably more than 75% Because some people want to be able to actually watch videos instead of slideshows and others want to be able to use tomtom like it's supposed to work not with a huge delay.

So please if you don't care then just don't reply. No need to start yet another flamewar.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ulupong:
any update about the software optimization that htc will release?? almost end of the month already still they did not release yeat =c
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jasperrr:
Finally, XDA is back online.

Still no updates as far as I know :/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rob.ocelot:
Very insightful comment from our resident AT&T tech support person!

gqstatus, I hope you remember these words when you need technical help from people here again like you did a month ago to fix the busted USB port on your out of warranty Tilt. I'm sure everyone will be just as eager to care about your situation.

Back to the topic at hand:

The ides of March are fast approaching and we've heard naught a peep out of HTC!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ceevee369:
LG KS20 has same driver issue as HTC models

For those who missed it on CNet Asia:

http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2008/03/13/htc-driver-issue-is-lg-s-too/

This concluded that nothing can be done with further looking at the LG KS20 .

Too bad.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
So can someone explain to me the point of including a special processor with no drivers in a badass phone? Isn't that like installing a $300 video card in a badass desktop and using generic Windows VGA drivers?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
There really is no point to it. They could buy the chips but not the driver.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
So they made the phone cost more for no reason? This phone really doesn't put that chip to use at all any better than the Wing puts its chip to use?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
I'm not sure if making it cost more was their intent, I'm sure it had to do with GPS and a chip that was current and not old.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
Oh ok. I was under the impression that there is a single chip in there from ATi that handles graphics purely. So I guess its a whole chipset that includes ATi graphics?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
From what I gather it's a chipset that handles

cpu gps and video, maybe even wireless..

I'm sure someone will correct me soon enough.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChocoIncognito:
I've been lurking here and keeping up with the video driver issue for the Kaiser for a while now. Regardless of video issue I read so much about (which affects me heavily), I picked up a refurbished Tilt from AT&T, flashed it with a custom ROM from Dutty, SIM unlocked it, and put it on T-Mobile. I needed a new phone as soon as possible, and the promise of community-made drivers in the near future kept my hopes up that the purchase I was making was a positive one.

While CorePlayer has resolved my video playback issue for the time being, general interface sluggishness and poor performance on the Super NES emulator I am using make the mobile device I'm using even less worth the purchase price. Now, keep in mind that I still believe that this is a wonderful device. I'm not going to say that I'll never buy another HTC product or anything silly like that. However, the potential for the device to be even more awesome, even more flashy and impressive, even more USEFUL, is right there here in front of us. This is why the driver is important to the community.

So with all that said, let's throw some things out in the open here. I will admit I have not read all of the posts between page 1 and 53. My attention span is not that epic. However, the first post states that cmonex and olipro were supposed to be on this thing. From what I could tell, at least one of them should have already received the hardware to test their projects on. It's important to know if anyone is working on this project at this point so there are no false hopes or a true person to put our hopes with.

Another troubling aspect is the money raised for this project. If there are $7,808.55 saved up for an independent developer to provide a driver, why has no one jumped on this? Is the money simply pledged, or does it actually sit in a bank account somewhere? And more importantly, if someone does write a driver, how many of the pledgers will really pay up? I didn't have a chance to pledge, but I'd probably give in $5 bucks for someone's hard work.

So, in short, what's the general status of all that's going on? Android Project has a driver, it seems. Xperia may have a driver we can modify for use. Maybe the driver will be released by HTC in May. These things are known, but what is ACTUALLY going on right now?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
The money is just pledged ATM. So there isn't an account out there with money in it waiting. I'm sure that might help get things moving or not.

The way I look at it is that hopefully in the near future, we will get the drivers, install them and feel like we have a new phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
This is the forum with the nicest people that I've ever been on. I rarely see insulting and partisanship here, so I believe that people here will come through. Almost everyone seems really grateful. I'd toss in $5.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] osirisHTC:
So, is this correct ?

HTC decided not to pay Qualcomm for the better drivers ?

I wonder how much money HTC saved by not paying ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Macgyvec3:
Not "saved," made.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] livefastdiefun87:
At the end of the day we can all ***** and moan as much as we want but HTC scrimped on the drivers and we have to live with it. As soon as someone gets these drivers available I will donate £20 ($40) come on guys this is worth the cause. Who needs live aid when we have driver aid
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
You know whats strange? Playing SNES roms on my Wing is actually possible sometimes, but I have to keep the sound off. So I should be able to play at much better frame rate on the Tilt I just ordered. That's all I really want to do in terms of graphics! That, and watch videos, which my Wing actually does pretty well. So the tilt should be able to do even better, no?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dizzy33:
no .............. sorry guy !
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
wtf? you cant be serious...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tfdeere:
Unfortunatly it's true. You'll probably notice that your Wing will outperform your Tilt with video performance. :(

The tilt is a great device, but is crippled by not having the proper driver.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MDA-Fan:
Hmmm? To say that I never buy a HTC product again is stupid? They messed around with US! I guess you don´t know what you say. On the one hand you are "begging" for drivers and on the other you say HTC has done everything right? I´ve spent a lot of money to get that thing! There are other devices (not HTC) on the market that have similar specs and cost a lot less! And most important you get what you intend to get!

I feel like I´ve bought a car with a V8, but there are only 4 Cylinders working! In such case you also wouldn´t say "Hmmm? But it looks nice, the radio is working, the handling is good......"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
Super Mario something or other runs smooth on mine.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jasperrr:
Yes snes roms work fine, but they also run smooth on very old pocket pc's.

Try running a GBA game instead, 2~4 FPS with final fantasy tactics ingame 10~15 FPS on the menu screen.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
it sounds like your trying to depress me. :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pistonripper:
Read this post...may be of interest to you guys if HTC don't come out with the drivers

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=359991&page=33

Post no#327

Buy a HTC P6500 Sedna..and strip the drivers out of it !!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dperren:
I wouldn't hold my breath. If HTC had made a set of drivers sufficiently similar to those the TYTN II needs that they can be trivially ported then they would have released them independently to save themselves all of this ballache.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
He never said it was stupid :confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rev3nant:
At least one sane person here ;)

Totally agree.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Burko:
HTC aren't going to buy the drivers now, has anyone asked Qualcomm for a quote on the price for the drivers?