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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] troybperk:
Got it started from a red light of death!!!

Ik, I believe sWuRv was onto something. My Tilt had the RLOD today. I tried everything, even what he suggested above to no avail. So I called warranty and got my replacement on it's way, express shipping waved and all. So I decided to everything I could think of to try and get the thing back on so I might be able to back up my data again.

I started fooling with the battery, like sWuRv suggested but I moved it all around at 45 degrees or so pushing the power on button. I noticed while it was plugged to the USB with red light on that every now and then the red light would flash when I moved the battery so the contacts moved (while holding the battery at that 45 degrees). I started getting the light to go yellow but it would not stay. So I unplugged from the USB and kept trying it while pushing the power button. It eventually started and I was able to back up to my SD card. One thing I can tell you is that this process caused the phone to get hot and smell like electronics burning a little. There is definitely a power problem inside.

I have no idea how or why this worked but it did. I think I will still take the replacement even though I have to figure out how to swap my fancy invisible armor clear protector skin.

I'll try and update on whether this phone dies again or what until I get the new one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sWuRv:
Thank you so much troybperk!!! Everyone thought I was full of $#!t and was just trolling for attention. Good to see someone else had success. Do you remember exactly what you were doing when yours came back to life? Maybe you could help me narrow down the fixing method (I know mine was sort of vague, it needs help). I never smelled any burnt electronics when I was messing with mine. Hopefully people will start fooling around with their RLOd tilts, instead of just sending them in for a refurb. Soon we will have a sure fix instead of just a vague "mess around with the battery" fix. By the way, after reviving mine, I haven't had the issue show up again. I think it was about a month ago when it happened. Again I thank you for the semi-confirmation of my semi-fix! One step closer to getting this bugger sorted out.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] troybperk:
Unfortunately I wrote about all I did, fooled with the battery until I saw the red light blink once and a while (this was while it was hooked to the USB cable. I eventually started seeing the yellow light while doing that. Then I tried the same wiggling with the USB unhooked (no cable plugged in to the Tilt) and it finally booted up. My alarm from this morning actually started beeping a few times like it was frozen in time when it must have locked up.

It's definitely power (hardware) related. My phone is working right now and it was definitely RLOD all morning long.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kicker jeep:
alright i will confirm this too....my phone was truely RLOD..... i did the same thing that these guys did just jammin the battery in and out and it "jump started the phone"

exact process used

Moto Razr charger

hold down power button

"bounce" battery on and off the contacts for the battery a good 100 times or so

green light apeared after the red light started to flicker a little bit..... tis as if you were giving the phone CPR or something

im not going to call this a fix all i know is that the phone was RLOD and now it is working....battery is at 54% right now and i will post back in a bit to see if it has risen at all....

no smell arising from device

running origional rom but have had other roms on there (alex's)

hard SPL still installed on device

SPB phone suite is the last software that was installed on the device

reg tweaks installed as well, the usual ones no sms, hsdpa enabled blah blah blah

that is about all i can provide....the unit was on the computer overnight charging....when i woke up it was RLOD....and i was sad....i did have the ATT store replace the battery for me as well dunno if that had anything to do with the issue...

in the time that it has taken me to write this the battery is now at 55% so it is charging.....on wall charger with MOTO razr charger
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kicker jeep:
ok lets take a little closer look at what happened within the past little bit....

after gettin the device all up and running it was behaving very oddly.... it would go through multiple attempts to connect to the data network for various reasons....after showing that it was at 55% on the charger it went back down to 54%... i pulled it off the charger and took it into the other room to do something......within 10 min it was down to 46%....now having a data connection my blackberry connect should have a valid network connection....but it did not... not sure why...

the best that i can conclude is that it was trying to connect to so many things all at the same time that it exhausted its self that fast....

so the question is how many people out there that have RLOD are running the BB connect software on there devices and have made REG edits to the data connection time outs and the HSDPA mod availability

editing those settings together may confuse the device and make it think that it has to connect to too many things at one time....

just another thought process that i thought that i would throw out there...

here are some things on the my device that would use the DATA connection and automatically initiate the connection on the device rather than you opening a program forcing it to connect such as Internet explorer

GPS update

HTC home weather tab

SPB weather tab

Blackberry connect

SPB insight....RSS Reader

text messages going in and out....my phone sees quite a few of those
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tyeo098:
So now we have solutions...

We need to start a new thread with solutions (the cpr colution and the 4 degree solution)

So that newbs who pwn their device can fix it.

Cherio!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sWuRv:
I have never used the blackberry connect app, so that's not the problem. also I started a thread called "Red Light Of Death Fixed (sticky??)" right after I fixed mine. I guess everyone thought I was trolling or something because it got no attention, but we can post our solutions in there in place of staring a new one. here's a link:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=358136
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] troybperk:
Update

My Tilt did something similarly after I brought it back to life from RLOD earlier tonight. The phone took a few minutes at least to connect to the network. I have no tweaks or non AT&T Roms installed as I already had exchanged to receive this all new phone due to a blown speaker, from the store.

After leaving the service area (in the country) the phone took longer than usual to find network access once I went back out into service areas later tonight.

Something is definitely still not right with the phone, is my impression.

All I can report right now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tyeo098:
Have you tried hard-resetting or reflashing after bringing it back to life?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kicker jeep:
mine too has been taking unusually long to re-connect to the network after a soft reset....all is not well in the mind of my tilt....

and yes i did a hard reset to fix the issue....still it lags for connection to the network upon restart
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sWuRv:
I never had any issues with mine after reviving it. It was as if nothing had ever happened.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] troybperk:
I'll try and use mine over the weekend as I should have my replacement on Monday. I just had to do the revive again as my battery ran completely dead and when I plugged it into the USB the light was red and the phone would not start.

This time, about ten minutes ago, I plugged it into the wall charger and fooled with the battery at an angle as described earlier and I was again able to get back to a yellow light. The phone appears to be charging as normal again now. So these can definitely be brought back like this. I'm still swapping the thing out.

By the way, I have the original PHIHONG "sideways" style wall plug.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] risingphoenix:
Just revived mine with the battery trick...

Excellent :-) Thanks a lot!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] connorxda:
Dead Death star phone

same issue here this morning. My wife's phone just wouldn't turn on. Tried all the tricks.

36H00563-OOM

181007(RC01)/US

going back to the ATT store to get a new one and will ask if they have one that doesn't have this build date or has a newer number.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jfbarbato:
red light of doom

I'm new here!

I have the same power problem. Red light, no ressponce, the "good charger", new phone (2 days old), etc. AT&T store to replace my phone, but said they are not aware of this problem. I sent them this link.

36H00563-00m

181007rc01/US

I'll give it one second chance and then move on.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tyeo098:
Its Death!! Red Light Of Death!!!!!

Well, did you try and do the tilting thing?

Did you try the Kaiser CRP technique, and if you say 'well whats that' we will all nobb bash you for posting in a topic you havent even read...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] over2land:
By tilting thing, do you mean the battery trick?

What is this "Kaiser CRP" technique? I've read the whole thread, for fear I too wake up one day and my phone has died too. I don't remember a CRP technique. Post number please?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tyeo098:
Ah, im to lazy to find the post number, but some users have had sucess by touching and removing the battery contacts together...

Its called cpr because it looks liek you are trying to do CPR on the kaiser, and in a sense you are reviving it,
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] collinssc:
RLOD - Revived Now Hosed

Phone:

36H00563-00M

181007(RC01)/US

KAIS100

Battery Info:

DynaPak

Model: KAIS160

Rating: 3.7VDC 1350mAh

Woke up this morning to the RLOD.. used the Kaiser CPR Technique.. After about 70 or tries it came on for about 10 seconds -- green light then the yellow light flashing, then the distinct smell of burnig electronics and RLOD again..... now it seems to be completely hosed....... can't even get the red light to blink

I am going to try again in a bit Off to deal with AT&T......
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] themetalmaster:
HOLY CRAP!!!

DUDE! This worked, at least now I can reflash my phone to stock for a warranty return. I guess it shorted something because I heard a loud electrical pop :/.... But great work. Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Boinng:
With due respect, you didn't read my question - I know that various different Kaisers from different places and running different firmwares have done this, but have any of them done it outside North America? I'm guessing your european/hong kong Tytn was in America when it RloD'd?

I'm probably just clutching at straws, it just seems striking to me that although there are many (far too many) reports in this thread, they all seem to be coming from US-based posters. I can't imagine why, if it's a hardware fault effecting virtually every build of the Kaiser, that would be - unless it's actually something to do with the mains supply, or particular network conditions? No help if you're in the US of course, and there's no question that this shouldn't be happening regardless.

Can anyone prove me wrong? Any reports of Kaisers failing like this in the UK, or europe, or asia?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] collinssc:
Dead Dead Dead

Second Try....Can I have a moment of Silence for MyTilt...

got a Half A$$ vibrate and more of that burnt electronics smell..... one more try then.... Off to deal with AT&T......

and now for moment of silence for my Tilt......

moment is over....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] meandu229:
im on t-mobile in uk n ites happened to me
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Boinng:
There goes that theory then! Oh well, it was nice when it lasted.. :o
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] collinssc:
USB Power

Has the RLoD happened to anyone when they were recharging using a usb connection?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kjb86:
Yes, well, not America, i'm in Canada and I was of course in Canada when it happened.

I have mine back now from repair and all seems ok so far. so lets hope nothing goes wrong

Does me being in Canada help?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SCSweeps:
This is what happened to me too.

I got so excited that it worked, only to have it die on me. I tried to get it to do it again for about 30 minutes straight after and no luck. I suggest maybe people unplug it right after it turns on?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
Not necessarily.

I think there may be a few different problems here as 'CPR' works for some and others catch a smell of burning when the unit fails.

Can I ask, how many of those who have suffered RLoD 'Tether' their units? (as this is most prevelant in the US)

I have seen reports that units are becoming quite hot when prolonged tethering is used and I wonder if this large current drain/charge ratio is shortening the life of the power management circuitry within the 'Kaiser' and also causing secondary problems with some batteries.

It would not necessarily die when tethered, but once circuitry has suffered heat damage (may only be warm on the ouside but the chips will be at 100C+ to create this heating) it could then fall over at any time.

Just a thought! :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] collinssc:
itried several more times and finally called At&T exchange by mail.. they are sending me one for today... I hope
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] collinssc:
Mine died the first real time I decided to use the wall charger

and isn't 100c like 212f that seems like it would be really hot
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
Yep it is, ever removed your fingerprint checking the heat the silly way on a hot IC? I have, many times (just stupid I guess!) :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] spinefan:
Mine died while sitting in a desk drawer at work overnight (It's not my personal device, our techs use them and we have one for support issues). Plugged it in, and there was the RLOD. I did the CPR trick and it's back up and running (no burning smell). Of course, I just got the RMA device in about a hour ago. I'm going to watch the old one for a few days to see if the problem comes back, but so far, so good.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drokkon:
I'm one of the guys whose Tilt went out in late December. Never thethered. Really never stressed the unit AT ALL.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SCSweeps:
Do you have an instant messenger?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drokkon:
Actually, yeah - I run Windows Live for Mobile (Messenger and Mail) pretty much 24/7.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SCSweeps:
Hahaha noooo. I mean one I can contact you at. Check your pm :p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drokkon:
Aha - I thought you were trying to diagnose the RLoD.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SCSweeps:
Well I guess that could be an issue though. I think the Rlod is non-software related, but could be a heat problem like someone said in this thread. I've used tethering before and it heats my phone up pretty bad.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Zambartas:
Followup to my RLOD earlier post, forgive me if new information since my last post superceeds this:

I received my replacement Tilt the other day, it was a complete new package. The battery was the same, but the charger was a different model. The battery came stone dead, it did nothing when I tried to turn in on, so I tried my old battery from the bricked Tilt. It came on and was 90-something percent charged. I put the new stone dead battery into the bicked Tilt and plugged it in and just left it. A few hours later I unplugged it from the charger and swapped the battery in to the new Tilt. It was still stone dead. I put the still dead battery into the new Tilt, and plugged it in. The light flashed red for a half second, and then turned the normal orange color.

What I get from all this is that the common RLOD issue we are all having is related to the phone and battery not connecting to each other. The charge lights up steady red if there is no battery present, there must be some sensing signal that fails inside the phone that makes it think there isn't a battery connected to the phone. I find it hard to believe the issue is with the 4 contacts between the battery and the phone, it must lie somewhere else.

Hope this helps someone.

-Mike
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cmcginnis:
I got my first Tilt 8 days ago. After 4 days I got the RLoD. I went to the store and exchanged it for a new one. 4 days later, yet another RLoD. This is seriously not cool.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] LTxda:
This does suck. Of the two tilts I have, one experienced this. I've had it back for two weeks now and no problems...keeping fingers crossed. I hope AT&T puts some pressure on HTC.

Between the continued hardware problems and HTC skimping on providing the appropriate drivers...it would seem like the market is opening up for some competition unless HTC gets their act together. Lack of full hardware support and problematic equipment aren't conducive to good business.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] uuc328:
i shipped my RLOD tilt on Friday but i didn't think to get the numbers from the back of it

hope i don't get ahold of another bad one
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] uuc328:
here are the numbers from my RLOD replacement 8925

36H00563-00M

181007(RC01)/US

hopefully this one will last

pics of the new battery
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SJMES:
Freezing Stops Red Light of Death (Temporarily)

My buddy's Hermes wouldn't power on or respond at all to being charged, including any LED lights turning on, after getting wet. After carefully taking the phone apart, soaking the motherboard in distilled water, letting it fully dry, and then reassembling it, IT WORKED! Thank you Alylea for the advice on how to do that! However, 12 hours later the RED LIGHT OF DEATH appeared. I tried everything on the forum. It wouldn't enter boot loader mode, playing with the battery or chargers and new fully charged batteries wouldn't effect it either. Finally, After a night in the freezer, it worked. Six hours later, back to the Red Light of Death again. Any Ideas? Could this be some kind of software issue that makes the phone shut down if it thinks its getting too hot? Any Help would be great! I am thinking of reinstalling the rom, radio, bootloader, and resetting the doc or what-not but I am afraid to start doing that if the phone would shut off half-way through. Again, Please, any insights would be great.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mattador86:
USB port is the issue

I have two tilts and one got the rlod today. Although initially frustrated by seeing it, I knew that I could find the solution on xda-devs. A few users believed that it could be a charger issue. I believe this to be true; however, I think that certain chargers are ruining the usb port on the phone. Although I am not sure which charger caused it (I have about 8 pc chargers, two car chargers, two old 8125 chargers and others that I use sporadically), it is clear that the usb port on the RLODed tilt is bent when compared to the working tilt. The last pin-5v charging pin- is in the worst shape, explaining why it won't charge when connected to a wall charger. I guess what I am trying to get at is, I don't think this is a problem with incorrect amperage/wattage but rather, a problem with the physical shape of usb connectors. Something in one of the chargers has ruined my usb port.

Oh and I do have the same bad built date (181007) if that means anything
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Tr0LL:
Mine had the red light issue 3 days ago. I had the dutty 1.4v Rom. Dynapack battery. Charger - 79H00055 (small rectangle one). Date:061107. Battery was at 90%+ and it was on standby. I tried to wake it and nothing. Plug it in to charge and I got the red light. So I spent the first hour playing with it (putting the battery in at different angles, half way, blah blah) and it booted. BUT, it died like 15 seconds after. For the next hour I couldn't get it to boot anymore. I called it in for warranty. Over the past few days I been trying to turn it on every so often and nothing.

Today, I got my new phone from the warranty exchange and after flashing it and setting it up to the way my old phone was, I tried the old phone 1 more time. It booted right up. It stayed on long enough for me to to revert it back to default SPL/ROM. In fact it's still working just fine. Now I have to call them and ask what to do. Send the new phone back or the old one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nakel:
Send the old one back. I was able to get my RLOD Tilt running again too, but the power usage was through the roof. Standby current went from 1 to 3 ma to around 300ma. Idle current went from 60 - 80 ma to 400 to 600 ma. If you're still considering keeping the old one, check your current draw with battery status first!

Good Luck!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
Is this kind of stuff common with HTC? I've recently gotten my hermes back from the person I sold it to. He is a long time friend. He told me one day it just started turning on to a white screen with lots of vibrating. It was hard spl 210 and 104. It wont even charge. My old wizard used to give me lots of weird issues too. luckily I was able to fix that phone. I just don't get it. A company that prides itself so much on making High Quality devices lets this happen to its' consumers. I'm no CEO of a large corporation but I'd like to think.. if I was, I would make sure my devices were of the highest quality knowing that my consumer base would stay loyal and continue to buy my products. oh well..

EDIT: But then again, I forget that HTC has it good right now. They can cut all the corners they want. Like making bad usb connectors. Why? Because it's going to be hard for people who seriously do NOT want to give HTC anymore profit. The new sony is being made by HTC, the i-Mates are being made by HTC.. guess settling for a Razor isn't so bad.....................
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
Can you provide a link for the UPS you purchased for your phone?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jgmdean:
Well in my case the RLoD happened when I was looking at my Tilt untouched on my desk, on the official charger, fully charged, and plugged into the power adapter off my UPS. So: Probably not for me. ;)

James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] w00b:
Reading all of these horror stories really has me worried. I bought an unlocked ATT Tilt a few days ago and it is on its way here. I have a question though, I am going to use this phone on T-Mobile, if I get the RLoD can I return it to ATT? Or do they ask you for your account with them and all of that jazz, because if they do then I am SoL.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jgmdean:
Eh, in THEORY AT&T should be liable for the initial guarantee period. However good luck on exercising that without an AT&T account. Your best bet is probably one of those $150 refurbs. If you do wind up with an RLoD Tilt in your posession, you might want to consider asking here to donate it to one of the Electronics literate here for analysis. You MIGHT have some luck calling HTC for a repair, but I doubt it.

James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] asfoor:
Tilt Just Died....

Red LED Light when plugged in.

I was syncing and all of a sudden, the sync disconnect sounded and the red led light came on.

bummer.... I just finished modding the best ROM and loaded all the applications three days ago

here is the build date numbers:

36H00563-00M

080907 (RB01)/US

Can someone tell me if these numbers are in the bad batch pool of bad numbers...

I am within the 12 month of warranty so I will get a replacement for sure.