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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Crazysamz:
the drivers

Ok, I've been going through most of this thread and can't seem to find the drivers. Is there any link someone can give me to the drivers as a cab or maybe a ROM file?? I don't want to flash a new rom, I'm running the legitimate AT&T Rom, I'd rather not void my warranty for as long as possible, and would like to avoid my phone from getting bricked. Maybe there's some registry tweaks I must do along with the drivers?? Maybe I should wait until the official release of Windows Mobile 6.1?? Or should I be running a cooked/hacked ROM of wm 6.1 with the drivers?? Can someone just get me some links to some of these things please, I can't go through more than 20 pages of this thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] godashram:
there are no drivers yet.... the thread was (still is?) to find a way to obtain the drivers...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Imsaffor:
Anyone else want to post the drivers too? I think theres tens of thousands of us looking for that same link.

I'd sure love it if you could. heh heh.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
what drivers are you looking for? they don't exist yet...

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Crazysamz:
the drivers

They still don't exist yet!!! I don't mean the HTC drivers, I mean like homebrew drivers, nobody's made any beta drivers yet????
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Memnoch30:
Calm down. It makes you look like you're dissing people for taking too long as if this was an easy thing to do.

I suggest we add a little "Current Status" in the first post to avoid having people who don't read ask the same questions again and again and keep this more on topic.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Audi2Audi:
I second the motion for a "Current Status" blurb in the first post!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omikr0n:
IMHO it is not necessary. All that one has to do is to watch htcclassaction.org.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Imsaffor:
it appears as though my sarcasm escaped the internet...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dobbyone:
Are there any specifications, APIs etc available for the MSM7200? How does one develop drivers for a closed system :>
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
Since March 31st came and went ... without any drivers from HTC, I thought we should step up our efforts again.

I created a new thread to organize our bad press/publicity efforts for HTC a little better:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=383758
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Autourdupc:
MSM7200A vs MSM7200

Few days ago, I post this message...

Maybe the MSM7200A is the same as the MSM7200, and only frequency is different...

Did you check this point ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
It's not out yet (Xperia X1), so until it is released, we won't know for sure.

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Autourdupc:
Dear,

Already released... :)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=339745

BR,

Laurent
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jasperrr:
No it's not. :confused: >.>

Nowhere in that thread, somebody says it's released. Next to that, it only just got announced:

http://blog.se-nse.net/2008/03/03/x1-is-an-h2-product-weve-got-the-official-statement/

Kind regards,

Jasper
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Autourdupc:
Dear Jasper,

Maybe you are right...

What do yiu think about this one ?

http://devicearena.com/2007/12/23/toshiba-portege-g920/

Hope this can help !

Laurent
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
Cool find.

Maybe, since it seems to be a Toshiba manufactured device, this phone has the proper driver?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] noyz:
Glad to see you guys are still working on this. Keep up the good work, I've seen you hit the Gizmodo and Digg headlines a few times.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Martinjv71:
Face it- HTC will never help you.

Let be real- this issue is dead. They could have supplied these in an instant. When were they supposed to release drivers? Did They- List they are spending money on development of new hardware. Please let's be realistic.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] s0undw4v3:
Issue is dead? depends on how you people take it further.

I'm from Israel, and here the TyTn2 is probably the most "advanced" PDA around, but because people in Israel haven't really seen anything like it (the whole PDA-lifestyle is only in it's dypers) - noone's complaining.

I read a post with one of HTC's replies, encouraging the customer to purchase a new HTC device, if he wants better processor support...

I think that if you people (AT&T, Verizon, T-mobile... customers) send written letters / faxes to your service providers, with copies to HTC offices, stating that you DON'T GET SUPPORT for your devices - it will make a bigger media-cloud, forcing HTC to make a move.

I've had a few DVD drives (30-50$ worth) that had firmware upgrades to read/write on discs FASTER!

So how is it possible for a f***ing smartphone/pda manufacturer not to support it's own NEW LINE OF PRODUCTS?!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Quitter lol.

Issue will be dead when it's resolved.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
We're doing that. I've personally wrote, and called, and posted and asked and complained.... maybe are doing the same.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Autourdupc:
if msm7200, one can imagine getting the driver from it, and perhaps find some usefull stuff for our phones
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] s0undw4v3:
Sorry... It's just that everytime I read posts about it, this issue is more absurd to me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Martinjv71:
LOL- It's not new. It has been out for close to 8 months now. They are already working on and releasing new PDA's as we speak. Seriously, Technology moves so fast that these units are old news.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Martinjv71:
LOL- :) It pretty much has been resolved by all the unanswered email, letter and the false release dates just to stem us off.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Well that's their say. They also damaged themselves in the process, and among kaiser owners - damaged themselves big time.

I'm almost sure that it's only a matter of time before device comes out with same/similar chipset and with drivers that we'll pull out and port to Kaiser. Then it'll be resolved.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
I just advised someone not to get an HTC touch because of this issue.

I really hope they don't buy the phone.

If I can convince at least a couple of people not to buy HTC phones, I am happy.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Doughnut:
FFS its not that bad...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jasperrr:
Yes it is. At least for some of us it is.

So GET OUT if you only come here to flame
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
You know what I find strange? The Sprint Mogul, which features the same chipset as the Tilt and the Polaris (with the exception of CDMA and EVDO Rev.A instead of 3.75G) performs 25% better in graphics benchmarks. Maybe the problem is that the MSM7200 is busted...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dobbyone:
Well the MSM7200 was meant as a gaming platform (Brew etc) that could compare to a PSP, I don't think it's busted. But with the Broadcom infringement I doubt that there will be any new devices based on it, thus no drivers for us. I would be happy even with 2D acceleration.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Doughnut:
Im not here to flame, but in all fairness the way people are going on, its as if the device is unusable, i use my TyTn II on a daily basis, emailing, streaming alot of videos, music, pictures, web browsing etc, its never failed me. Ive owned quiet a few PDAs from the O2 XDA to the TyTn II and its no way as bad as people make it out to be.

To be honest its a excellent product, it does exactly as it says. If you're dead set on a media device go buy a Archos/iTouch/etc...

If you want a all round communication device TyTn II does the job, simple as.

Yes drivers would be nice, but it doesnt decide the fate of whether ill buy future HTC products.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MobilePhoneUser:
Okay, fine, let's say you're not here to flame. Then why are you posting here? You clearly have no interest in getting the drivers, which is of course what this thread is about. Move on...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
If you have owned other PDA phones you must not have used them much because it is hard to find any older WM phones that perform worse.

... or you have no clue what you are talking about.

Please leave this thread???????
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TurboX2:
so who knows why the bounty sticky was locked?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
They are prepping a driver fix in the meantime, thus no donations are needed anymore.

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
^ What?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kdemetriou:
Point is that many of us have a long history of HTC phones, we also upgraded (I use the term loosely) from a Titan because Titan had no GPS but had everything else to what we understood would be a better phone. Point is that the Kaiser will not realistically run many of the programs/games that the Titan did and by the way the GPS is not that good anyway. Now do you understand?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Dust2Dust:
O.T.

Huh?? I have had several BT and wired GPS-units (Nemerix, sirf III, U-blox supersense etc.). None of them performed as well as the internal GPS of my Kaiser... I get fixes indoor (concrete apartment building)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Doughnut:
Dont be so daft. What alot of people are missing is the Kaiser is like a I-Mate Jam with a keyboard, wifi & GPS. Apart from the driver issue, imo it is the best hand held device out there. In terms of graphics im aware my previous PDAs done a better job, but i didnt buy a PDA to watch movies & play games on it, if i wanted to do that i would of bought a Sony PSP.

HTC are definitely in the wrong and screwing their customers over, however its not the end of the world.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Barneyabz:
Well I have a Kaiser (on a Corporate contract) and I use it for all my business needs, including managing several email acounts, using Outlook etc. I don't have any games on it and don't watch videos, however I was very dissappointed at the slow rendering of screens, I mean ordinary screens like Internet Explorer with graphics etc. I upgraded from the Tytn 1 and have to say I now feel what was the point! Yes its got inbuilt GPS, but my old phone synced very nicely with a gps receiver in the car.

Have to say that as a regular HTC customer, (this is my third HTC phone in four years), I feel they have let me and everyone else down. When I see the hardware advertised I expect it to be working fully - end of story.

So I for one will think twice about buying another HTC device, and I am spreading the word at work (20,000 employees - no idea how many are entitled to a Corporate Mobile though!) that upgrading their phone to an HTC is currently pointless.

Cheers

Barney
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
Are you retarded that you do not undestand it when people ask you to leave a thread and stop thread crapping??!?!?!?!?!?!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kdemetriou:
What?!

Are you serious? You just now agreed along with the several thousand other Keiser owners that have signed the petition that HTC are definitely wrong for screwing their customers over, but you still believe that this is not significant? Well lets do the sums. 1 Keizer say around $700 times several thousand makes a lot of money in my book. This is without factoring in the silent majority.

We keep the company going, so why do you think that HTC screwing us over is not a big issue? Please explain as I don't understand.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dobbyone:
So what is the status? Is this fix coming?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rakdoll:
Since this thread is already so full of s#¤t I don't mind adding my own on the pile. :p

I found out from the other thread that devices shipped right now are shipping with different chip. 7201 instead of 7200. Does this mean that we who are having the "old 7200" should feel more or less betrayed and get rid of our kaisers while we can?

here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2132684&postcount=438

Should one feel like this after spending 700 euros? HTC just lost me, why should we even try to hang on? :mad: Please someone, tell me why I shouldn's sell the device? Is there any way that this still could be worth all the money and trouble in comparison to all the competitors?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
It's up to you whether you want to sell something that you paid for. Who are we to tell what you will do with your life?

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rakdoll:
I kinda hoped you would understand my question more like as:

Do you think it's even possible to get the chip to work properly? As ones have mentioned before, it could be its OEM-disabled. I was curious if the requested update is happening, but that needs the new shipped 7201 chip, which we dont have. :confused:

Still read somewhere that people couldn't find any differences between 7201 and 7200, so maybe we are in luck and we get our drivers, homebred or .. - official (not likely as official statement is against that).

At the same time I was just frustrated, so my apologies for the earlier question. But hey, in this case you are the specialist of this sector, which gives you all rights to give out advices how I should do- :)

My apologies for the moment I had there.. :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
It's not even clear yet. It may take several months to a few years to find drivers that unlock the video hardware (if it is even present), and if then, there are bound to be compatibility issues with certain programs.

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
The android project is giving me some hope.

as soon as we can confirm that the functionality is there, we will likely see class action lawyers all over this ...

I doubt there will be a fix but we might get a $100 - $300 check each.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SouthernLuke:
I wouldn't count on it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] maximus327:
I've got a friend in Nigeria that could help you with that...

Just send a payment of $29.95 by unregistered broker to MissingDriver@htcscrewover.com.

...You've got more chance at seeing cash this way then from HTC.

Then again HTC won't be seeing any future cash from me unless they step up to the plate and sort this out.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
Yeah, you will most likely see no class action suit. Even if you did, it probably would lose. But even if it did win, after legal fees, we'd each see some $50 discout coupons to any new HTC phone :bleh2:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/04/23/htcs-raphael-and-diamond-coming-to-sprint-and-looking-good/

These are coming to Sprint and they are bound to have some improvements.

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] greenbrd:
I'll sell you my forthcoming $100 - $300 check right now for 50 bucks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] maxh:
I honestly feel misled and cheated by HTC, so I feel that a law suit is fair game. Even if it's only $50, it's totally worth it if it only takes a few minutes of my time to get it. And it'll hopefully decrease the likelyhood of HTC doint the same kind of BS in the future.

So if anyone is interested in getting a class action lawsuit going, you could go to the SueEasy.com listing I started and pitch in your voice at the bottom of the page. After it gets some certain number of people joining, a lawyer will contact me (or us) and get things started:

http://www.sueeasy.com/litigants.php?class_action_case_detail=239
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
its worth a shot. you should post this in the ClassAction thread, and try and see if menyysis can sticky it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
Morons???

Having benefited from at least 3 class action lawsuits recently, I received at least $100 from each. And sales price for the devices/product in question for each of those was MUCH LOWER than the tytn II.

How about you give me everything above $50 if there is a class action suit and we win?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drutort:
it seems to me, that the drivers would have to have more then just promised amount of money... i say make a website and charge for the driver something like 5-15 bucks... and take donations once donations reach or the promised amounts that people stated is reached then the driver is given out for free, BUT to be honest who cant afford 5-15 bucks to make there device perform better all around... i think there is nothing out there that you can do for even 50 or 100 from buying a new device ;)

i say first get the promised money to the developers here IF and when they get the driver, then if its not enough charge small fee or until the donations are reached...

TBH i think its just lack of interest, from others outside this community, if there was a chance to make or keep making decent amount of money on a driver to pay back or get even on the time spent on it, we would have had a number of other individuals outside xda community come up and say they would be doing it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
There is not even anyone working on it inside the community as you can tell from this thread
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] thekilljoy:
if only real drivers had as much fire as this thread.

wow, all this over a driver issue?

so, the 7200/7201 do have drivers for other devices/versions of windows mobile...

coming from the driver mod community behind a lot of specialized nVidia, ATi, and such drivers.. this shouldn't be such a monsterous undertaking for people who're familiar with it and can get their grubby mits on another device running WM5 (or, ideally, WM6) over a 7200/7201 and just making the necessary tweaks.

instead its a 72 page flame war.

i guess i'll stick with the slow performance on my kaiser after all, rofl.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sorted69:
So many people *****ing about it and no one ready to do anything about it..

Some of you guys are really pathetic..

And for the record, I am more than happy with my kaiser, runs everything I need it to 100%

Maybe you lot got crap ones.. or are just sheep.

bahhh bahhh
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
well if your happy with it then i guess thats all that really matters huh? but then again i suppose it's easy to impress a 12 year old, being that this is probably your first cell phone. The rest of us have owned devices before the kaiser, and are not happy.

I'm not too fond of HTC lying to us, and the fact that my sda with a 200mhz processor peformed faster in gaming.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drutort:
can ppl please stop responding to such comments from both sides. I would like to see more ideas how to reach maybe other communities and attract others who have experience in video drivers, regardless of OS or device they should be able to take on such task.

Anyone know were such ppl exist and in which communities? or websites that we could reach?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sorted69:
No im not 12 years old and its not my first HTC device either, sorry to spoil your fun.

Yes it all that matters, I am happy, I find all of this attitude and anger very VERY amusing.

If you want a gaming machine, buy a PSP, DS or something, these are NOT gaming machines.

Sounds more like your 12 years old and someone **** in your oatmeal...

As I said before, if your all soooooo bothered about this "issue" why dont ONE of you step up and do something about it instead of *****ing like kids in a playground...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
This topic needs to be closed, the issues forgotten, and life goes on. That's the reality of what the situation has come to and I don't see an end in sight. It's time to move on people.

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] neilson:
Chainfire abandoned us, and then we abandoned him.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nd01:
My phone isn't exactly a multimedia center yet...

After watching Final Fantasy : The Spirits Within on my Kaiser from an 8GB high-speed data transfer card, and, i'm actually kind of dissapointed. Every two seconds, the audio and video would freeze for about a second, then continue playing. It's like, if you were watching a movie, and someone took the remote control and tapped the pause button every two seconds, and kept it paused for a second, repeating it over and over again. And i played the movie on my computer and it never paused at all, meaning there were no disc scratches or interruptions. Is this to do with the drivers? It's just the video playback i'm having problems with, all the other applications are fine. If the drivers come out, i'll be even happier, as i'll be able to use all the functionality on my phone.

or, if i'm wrong, is the video just buffering every 2 seconds? if so, please tell me how to increase the buffertime. I'd like to watch my movie with as little pauses as possible.

Or, if i've posted this in the wrong place, someone please PM me with the answer.

Thanks in advance to all who can help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Tna:
That is the problem we are talking about. It is almost impossible to watch any video with resolution over 320x240....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hambola:
You actually watched an entire movie having it pause every 2 seconds? wow, that's dedication.

your best bet to watch movies on your device is to encode to divx to 320x240 using pocketdivxencoder. then use coreplayer with Qtv to play the video. that will give you the best viewing results.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rhov23:
That is just a microscopic problem. Videos play well on Kaiser/Polaris.

The real problem lies in that the cpu handles processing that should be handled by a gpu, and therefor slowing down the overall performance, including video.

It's like paying good money to get a good auctioneer, and you get a person with stuttering problems, even though they have good qualifications on paper. (No offense to people that stutter)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] karkoura:
Ultimate 9205

please check the Imate ultimate 9205 it has the same qualqom processor, and we can get the appropriate video driver

please our experts confirm
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NetrunnerAT:
The Driver isnt the Problem ... it is present! The main Problem is, the GPU isnt start via SPL or some crazy settings deep the CPU.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nd01:
The movie i was playing was at WAS 320x240. I used DVD Catalyst to rip it, and the quality was at medium (default). No pauses on computer, but lots on phone. It was still watchable, but the pauses caused A/V Sync problems and eventually i was listening to a man in a woman's voice saying "We need to deactivate these lasers" and the lip sync was completely off. If you just left it like that without fast forwarding it it would go even more out of sync. And yeah, i already mentioned the annoying pausing part
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fisha21:
There are people looking into this - they do, however, have other things to do with their lives. Just because they aren't posting here everyday, saying "no luck yet,sorry", doesn't mean they are aren't doing what they can (and no, I'm not one of those people).

And as for this - I've been away a week so forgive me if I'm behind. Now, the drivers are there but the part of the radio ROM responsible for initialising it is not? Where did the drivers suddenly appear from?