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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
Ok 11. sorry. Looks like someone is grumpy, its past their bedtime.

I have a PSP, and your right, it does play games! good job!:D

i suppose you would be happy if Microsoft released the next xbox and the graphics and peformance were worse than the first xbox? Perhaps the 3rd generation xbox wont be a gaming machine...

If your so happy with your device why are you even posting in this thread?

im not the one that's angry, your the one that has the anger problem, commin in here giving everyone **** for no reason.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sorted69:
yeah I'm 11, spot on.

Why do you keep harping back it it being a games machine. its not.

I come on this board as its full of good info and as I said before, I find this thread amusing and your just making a fool of yourself more and more.

Come on, some one put up or shut it with the whole driver/lawsuit thing...

There are a lot of people talking loud but saying nothing...

I imagine HTC people monitoring this thread are laughing pretty hard.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rakdoll:
Please, no posts other than related to topic. Oh, and please, do not react to posts like above, it's the best way to stop wasting anyones time, who HAS TO read your useless *****ing to each other. No one is interested.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nd01:
*sigh* I don't think the kaiser is a gaming machine, i'd just like to watch my movies on it! The sooner the drivers get issued, the better. If they don't issue the drivers, i'll try and get something else that someone else has made. Either way, we would all like our phones to work at their full potential, gaming machine or not.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] karkoura:
that means all the PDA phonse using Qualcom 7200 will face the same problem!!!!!!

do you think wthat will be the solution ???????

thanks for your concern
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kavalier:
Look people stop bickering and do some leg work

we have a few leads that everyone loses sight of becuase of dumb irrelevant arguments

either get back on track or dont flame people for starting new redundant posts

imho this thread is not making ANY progress so it needs to be deleted.

someone either man up and go get a lawyer to sue, or call the people at todosmartphone.com and get them to dump their sedna rom

i would do this but i dont know a word of spanish

a lot of talking and no doing
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dobbyone:
In the review they write that they are suprprised from the video performance and that probably HTC have included the driver, and there are posts on the site requesting a rom dump ;>
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
ok, without the insults, and staying on topic, i dont think it should be strickly gaming. But I atleast think it should be able to be as fast as the phone 2 models before it?

The wizzard was able to processes things faster, the it could atleast load the start menu without needed to wait.

It could play video better.

It could play games better.

and worst of all, it didnt have that annoying htc screen bug.

I'm not trying to say i want this to be only a gaming device, i just want it to be ATLEAST as fast as a pocket pc from 3+ years ago...

dont you see what im trying to say? and what eveyrone else here is trying to say? its way slower than any htc device that's been released.

which previous phone did you own?

i owned a t-mobile sda (200mhz processor) and the video played better, and games ran better. The camera didnt take 10 seconds to take a picture in low light either, it took about 1 or 2 seconds.

People in this thread have tried to do something about it, but any normal person like us cant do anything, it's HTC's or Qualcomm's choice if they want to do anything.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
Rest assured, the next crop of HTC devices WILL have video drivers, because the extra muscle is needed to power the VGA resolution screens. If not this generation that we see drivers, the next surely will.

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] macsbac:
The problem with that though is I am so pissed off with the performance of my Kaiser that I am using an iphone as my everyday device. The iphone is not perfect but 4 major updates fixing user issues in less than a year, HTC released none for the Kaiser despite its obvious driver flaw. For me its not even about which device is best but which company I think will listen to me and maybe do something about it. My contract is due at the end of the year and when upgrading device, I will consider a windows mobile device, a new iphone, symbian based etc I will wait and see whats on the market but one thing I know for sure it will not be a HTC manufacturered device. The other thing is I will never trust a review on any windows mobile based site or forum, they are clearly unable to be objective when reviewing devices, not one mentions the poor performance of the device.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Doughnut:
LOL! There are not going to be new drivers, nothing to see here, move along people.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
No drivers. No 3D acceleration. Just a couple of idiots screwed over.

Awesome!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] greenbrd:
I'm in. Send me $50 now and I'll sign an agreement to send you any money we get from that class action settlement.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Ayle:
What's up with all the name calling and senseless bickering?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
People lost a lot of money because of stupid statements like that. No matter how smart and how right you think you are, you have no clue what will happen.

Just a friendly precaution.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] greenbrd:
Then you would be a fool to not take advantage of my stupidity. The offer is open to you as well: send me $50 and I will forward to you in full any cash settlement that comes my way as a result of a class action lawsuit.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mav42:
Driver update wont happen, HTC dont care about thier Customers, and HTC feed us bull sh@$ and lies.... botom line HTC have our money and are laughing all the way to the bank
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zakiwashi:
this thread seems to have lost any useful purpose it may have served! isn't it about time it was closed?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] maloso:
Ciao a tuti :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] brooksjat:
I agree...mods, perhaps at least removed as a sticky?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rakdoll:
If the meaning was to spread awareness then it is really helpful to have this thread stickied. Since this is where I found about the problem first place. That seems to be the only pro left of this thing stickied here. But mods, Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] daedric:
Status:

Well... i've been folowing more or less close this thread...

Could some of the hackers from the comunity please list the status of the problem? Like, what as been atempted,which models use the refered processor and suffer, or not, from the problem ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
No one is working on it.

Oh, rest assured that you will be flamed in a second but there is nothing being done.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SouthernLuke:
I wouldn't flame HIM. But you are quick to point fingers and ask people to speak up and help out.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
As are you! What are you, 12?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drutort:
it would be nice if those individuals that are working on the drivers, regardless how much work... or if they have slowed down or if they are waiting for other devices to come out... it would be nice to just know... some info would be good IMO or feedback i should say
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sorted69:
your an idiot, your the one making the most noise about this so YOU do something with it or stop *****ing.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Pfeffa-rah:
Hmmm,

A lot of flaming going around here and verry little of any constructive value...

Are there people actually working on this problem?

I, for one, would be verry happy with proper drivers. And YES I would like to be able to play nice games on it :)

"Need" is a strong word for it but it would sure make me happy.

greetz,

Pfeffa-rah
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] daedric:
I Double that.

I haven't lost hope, somewhere, somehow, a device bearing our infamouse chip will apear, that will make our life easier finding drivers or a means to enable hw accel...

Hope is the last one to die...

... wich means it will see you die before... :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] stuff:
If I was smart enough, I would spend all my days working for a driver fix.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Rayan:
In my case, I love the Kaiser (well it's more a love/hate relationship) but I would love to have the video driver issue fixed.

I mean, it works just great but I believe that the driver issue is causing my video streaming to become choppy and almost unplayable.

I compared the lousy Kaiser with an "inferior" device like the Nokia N95 and the N95 blows the Kaiser out of the water!... I mean, Youtube videos stream a lot quicker and with much MUCH better quality than the "mighty" Kaiser!...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
I think all the newer devices, and ones made by HTC will feature the updated 7201A, 7501A chipsets (A meaning accelerated), so it seems like it'll be less likely.

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DaVince:
Or at least just the touchscreen bug.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
Shut up or put out.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MikeChannon:
A long time ago this thread started out as a Video Driver and Unlocker Project. It ceased to be used for that purpose several pages back. I doubt anyone seriously carrying out work on this would post here with the way this thread has developed.

Unsticking the thread

Oh and there are quite a number of posts here that could and perhaps should be moderated. However, I'm sure we will all behave sensibly from now on.

Mike
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sorted69:
Can I get that in English please?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
New updates = slightly new hope.

Hopefully the drivers get released for the Tilt!

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] undac:
Try any "realtime" game that uses the touchscreen for input.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iservealot:
Well, if it becomes "easy" to reverse engineer e soem DLL's to get popper video support, it might be nice to see some developers get together to develop a fully interactive 3D Windows Mobile add on system.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jgermuga:
I like that suggestion. I wonder why they don't.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jim_R:
I imagine they don't as nobody has contacted the appropriate areas of AT&T or HTC with such a proposal. What's that saying about the squeeky wheel getting oiled first? :p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
play call of duty 2.

watch a video in tcpmp and slide the volume as it's playing.

play an emulator such as FinalBurn and use the onscreen controls.

there are many more possibilities, just play a game and touch the screen.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] austinsnyc:
i thought with CES Coreplayer was going to show how they fixed the drivers? Am i missing something here but I thought they released the new version no?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jaygriggs:
I heard they got THEIR program working so they have some knowledge of the driver but maybe not our solution(where everything works) but at least something to help xda. anyone hear anything?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ceevee369:
Still no official announcement from Corecodec nor his founder Betaboy.

For further follow up click through this link keeping threads seperated:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1793934#post1793934

or: http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=640.0

I'll watch Corecodec's site constantly to see when they release any news (or hopefully the Coreplayer V1.2 version)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] redsrule2500:
Ugh, painful. If there isn't a fix, I really regret my purchase. I don't even have my Tilt yet! :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] undac:
Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhHG377wkQU
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sleeper-:
I just found the Toshiba Portégé G910 and G920 have the also use MSM 7200, so if those also have hardware-acceleration it might be better than KS-20

BTW @Chainfire: Could you somehow get me the missing files from the dump?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
Yup, but

1. it'll take some time for these new models to hit the shelves

2. Toshiba didn't bother providing the GoForce 5500 drivers for the chip present in the G900.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] flooty333:
I just did the tcpmp test u suggested...

Holy crap does that suck!!!!!

The whole video slows down just by sliding the volume.

Thanks for the eye opener.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kepela523:
Ok i got this phone for christmas, im commnig from a PPC6700, I must say i am very disappointed with this "upgrade." Are you guys absolutely sure its a software isssue? i feel like this thing wont ever get resolved until the next generation phone comes out, I am still in my 30 day period and i am highly considering returning my phone.

Are you guys sure there is even an ATI chip inside the phone?? I appreciate the fact that you guys are doing wonders to try and get this phone to work to its optimal performance, but its an expensive phone, and i can't accept the fact that its not working properly. its basically illegal what they did, if they claim that it has an ATI graphic chip inside, and its not working, then that is false advertisement.. No??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sleuth255:
don't know if this is news or not but I had a chat with the corecodec boys yesterday at CES. As you know, they have reversed the API and will include it in coreplayer v1.2 with EOM Feb release. As such, it will be the first Kaiser app to use the qualcomm accelerator. I requested that they post the api here so we could work on a general driver and they will give it serious consideration. Considering that their sources are saying that accelerated graphics will not be included with the win6.1 update, this project becomes more important.

I'm mobile so haven't had a chance to go through this thread so if I'm repeating anythig, I apologize.

Let's hope the API falls into our laps ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fisha21:
Surely the big selling point of Coreplayer v1.2 will be that it is the "first Kaiser app to use the Qualcomm accelerator". If they posted the API here for the devs to get their hands on, wouldn't make their product the same as everyone else's? Not a good marketing strategy surely?

Call me cynical, but I won't hold my breath for this one (happy to be proven wrong!!).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jonnyp4l:
Maybe I'm alone in this but if corecodec released what they know in an effort to help the XDA community, I'd be the first guy on their website buying their software. Look at the bounty we've amassed here with the desire to resolve this problem. The goodwill alone from the XDA power user community would be valuable to a company like that. Just a thought from the other side.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sleuth255:
Corecodec appreciates what we do here. We've helped them in the past too. I released an ATI patch for the TyTN that fixed many video problems for them. The patch was subsequently integrated into Coreplayer v1.1.

The effort here doesn't overlap their strategy. The Kaiser only is a tiny part of what they do. In fact, their main revenue comes from OEM partners. Coreplayer mobile is the intangable that gets them noticed along with Windows, symbian, linux, palm, and myriads of other platforms they support. I'm very optimistic that they'll give us access to the api. After all, if we provide accelerator support, they won't need to hardcode the next version for Qualcomm devices.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fisha21:
Fair enough! As I said, i'm happy to be proven wrong. I've no dealings with Corecodec or Betaboy, and am fairly new to the site, so my comments were purely "generic" - nothing personal against them at all. Certainly sounds like there have been some fruitful joint endeavours in the past. Well, perhaps I might hold my breath a little after all.....;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
Mike agrees with Mike.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tomashpl:
http://www.htcclassaction.org/

Update May 10, 2008: All About Phones [Dutch] also reports they were told by HTC there will be a ROM update for the TyTN II. From the page (translated from Dutch to English):

Q (All About Phones): What about the driver/rom-update for the TyTN II and other pda's by HTC ?

A (Mark Moons, HTC): I can confirm we will release a ROM-update for the TyTN II this month which will solve and improve most issues. This will also be a 6.1 update so the TyTN II will be completely up to date. I cannot confirm this for other devices.

All About Phones [Dutch] also states a source close to both All About Phones and HTC claims this update will contain hardware-accelerated drivers. According to that source, HTC has finally licensed it from Qualcomm.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ProudPop83:
http://www.intomobile.com/2008/05/0...ics-driver-update-for-htc-tytn-ii-kaiser.html

WTF?!?! I guess all the ATT Tilt users dont get a driver update if this actually happens.... This is crap.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] felixthecat:
does this mean i will have to unlock my mda vario 3 from t-mobile when the blessed day arrives ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ProudPop83:
I dont know... If thats the case looks like i better unlock my tilt.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wilsonzone:
Oh yea of little faith in this community, Tilt owners will be taken care of by those with the power to create, and we will take care of them. :D

The "God's" will see to that. :cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
All it means is it's not going to be an AT&T Rom. they are just assuming that people dont install other roms on their branded device. It will still work on our Tilt, it just isnt a AT&T rom. It would be like installing the Default HTC rom on our Tilt.

might as well say Dutty's Roms wont install on our tilts.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bankside:
HTC releases WM 6.1 for Tytn II

Well, its here! Download from HTC e-club. Loads fine.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zaharakis:
but works terible :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bankside:
agreed - wm 6.1 aint good

and it does not want to seem to run TCPMP. Also, for the first time ever having used PPCs for years I have crashes asking me to send reports to MS. Lord help us. It reeks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
im using the diamond rom 6.1 and tcpmp and coreplayer work just fine!

but duke nukem, quake, and quake 2 dont work =(. i get an error, im gonna flash to dutty's rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zaharakis:
about that,this version of TCPMP package working perfect in 6.1 roms ;)

http://rapidshare.com/files/117413198/tcmp_plugins.rar

and in that ""update"" of htc

just install tcpmp in storage card

and the 2 other cabs in phone memory.

sr and you'll see :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Autourdupc:
dear,

My tytn2 comes from sfr so i can not get updates from HTC. Can you please give me the link to the french new ROM ?

Best regards,

Laurent
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] undac:
Here's something called a camera driver seemingly hacked up with ogl and d3d drivers as well:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=395313
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
camera driver has no beneficial effects. Next!

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] moegdaog:
Tilt owner here...and honestly i watch downloaded torrent dvd's and avi movies everynight on my tilt using tcmp .072 player and youtube on the same player daily....and i have no problems with picture quality at all...i hear the others use coreplayer, saying its better but others also say the 1.202 version cant even buffer youtube correctly and u cant load or stream anything so im sticking to tcmp player. But anywayz watching dvd movies and youtube is crystal clear...no choppyness at all and i dont notice rames droping (i played around with video settings for a while) so i cant see what the big deal is with drvers...but what is interesting to me is that our qualcomm chipset is 3D? so it cant play higer quality videos with a better frame rate? is that the point of getting the drivers? because if a driver will give better quality then im getting right now that would be ridiculous but the video issues people are talking about i'm deffinetly not one of those people....videos on my phone player pretty damn good and ive seen movies on lesser phons like the tmobile htc wing and mda, and they deff. werent as good quality as my tilt so...if we can get drivers i hope everyone is up for it. I dont get why HTC wont let us use the kaiser to its full potential...but i also dont see how drivers will solve much cuz honestly the picture quality i can see on my own tilt really isnt that bad, deff. not as bad as how some people are making it seem, i mean come on its a phone not a labtop, some people just cant be satisfied though sry to say.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fusi:
.....*sigh*
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nicholasendean:
2nd .....*sigh*
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cristi_bv:
Did someone with AT&T tilt tried this driver? Is it as a .cab or as a ROM? can someone share it? :D

Thanx for all the great work!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
What driver?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Rayan:
Well, it seems that you, like HTC don't understand the driver issue... :)

It's not just that videos don't play as good as we want them to play, that's just one consequence of not having propper video drivers.

The issue goes further than that. It affects the whole UI experience, not just videos and 3d games LOL

There's a youtube video that illustrate this issue where someone uses an old HTC Magician and an HTC Kaiser and compares both while using a GPS software (I think it was TomTom) and the old magician beats the newer Kaiser in playback smoothness.

Another feature we can barely use is the camera and it seems it's also because of the lack of video driver.

Our Kaisers are usable allright, but the true performance has been compromised due to the lack of propper drivers. It's like running your windows xp in safe mode.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sswalia:
Drivers = boring????

Dead Topic???

I thought we were on the cusp of viable drivers- then everyone stops talking?

Am i the only one that was excited about june 22 + 23th video's at htcclassaction?

Whats goin on with it? Its been a week- has there been any more progress?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
Touch Diamond and Pro will be released soon in the states so no point in waiting forever for these to come out, if ever.

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
i too got excited, your not alone. i check htcclassaction.org everyday lol
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] slovoflud:
there is still a lot of work to be done. let people do what they do. what's the point of talking about it over and over? we've talked about it for almost a year now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] myrandex:
I definitely check the class action site plenty and I don't even have the phone yet, but I have one on the way because of a warranty replacement (free!!) :) I hope these drivers pull through though, as I am not a fan of safe mode either :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
*Claps*

It's like a dog that barks nonstop at nothing.