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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mkrle:
What about i-mate ultimate 9502?

It seems to run on MSM 7200 and WM6, so if it has drivers can they be used?

I know that they still don't ship it but someone has got to have a test model.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
Received a reply!

Thank you for your inquiry

We here at HTC definitely understand your concern about being able to use your device to its full potential. In this case regarding the video rendering capabilities of your AT&T Tilt.

HTC has received similar feedback from other users and we are currently collecting examples to assist us in developing a fix. We request that you provide us with the following information about your device so that we can further investigate it. Please include:

Your full name:

Mobile number:

IMEI:

P/N:

S/N:

ROM Version:

Details of issue:

Please provide a detailed account of the issue that you have experienced, which includes:

Program used

File size

File format/encoding

Resolution

Video scaling (50%, 100%, full screen, etc.)

Any other details that you believe to be relevant

We apologize if this issue has caused you any consternation. Please provide us with the above information at your earliest convenience.

I hope we have answered your question in detail. Feel free to contact us again if you have any further questions.

HTC Technical Support

http://www.america.htc.com
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tex_tech_monk:
What's the big deal...

We should all be up for that! Given the number of users and downloaders I see here, this should be no problem. Has anyone actually organized a specific fund for this?

So that we can donate? We should all donate 5.00 or whatever , and see what happens
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Macgyvec3:
Tried it

I have the same rom as you and I've tried all the at&t roms. Haven't tried an HTC rom yet. I don't have any bloatware and have hard reset it. When I say it is out performed by the 6515, don't mean that in a complete sense. Obviously the TILT has is beat but it sure doesn't feel like it. The memory difference is a HUGE deal. But just opening menus and using internet explorer is much more responsive. My 6515 also got more fps in Playstation games. That absolutely should not be.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fisha21:
I thought this was a good idea and tried to drum up some enthusiasm but you can see from my thread how much interest there was:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=359644

I contacted Cmonex and she confirmed that she would be happy to look into this if a TyTN2 could be provided.

I think there is probably more support for legal recourse than exploring other solutions on the site at the moment. Not that the two need to be mutually exclusive.

I know Chainfire has spent 100+hours trying to find an alternative solution, but even he acknowledged that there are devs here on XDA that have more experience who might be able to help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] VTECaddict:
edit: nevermind
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] invasion13:
Hi,

Due to the lack of honesty and support from HTC for all the worries with the kaiser (video, camera, bluetooth, etc) , i think i have found my next pda phone provider(same features and more, lighter, bigger screen, thinner, et), From now i'll boycott HTC and i will discourage all my friends and colleagues to buy products from them .

I hope some HTC spies will read my message

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/10/sonyericsson-xperia-x1-qwerty-with-windows-mobile/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kamark:
TYTN II Big time sks. I will be getting xperia. Buying htc tytn II was biggest buying mistake. No more htc. They couldnt find a soluton within long realease time. sk it!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mightyox:
I am just about to buy one today but reading all this made me think twice. Maybe will wait a bit longer or go for another device.

Using BB at the moment but really miss PPC.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] scullness:
as metioned in other threads, HTC is the ODM of the xperia x1:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/10/no-wonder-sony-ericssons-xperia-x1-is-so-good-htc-makes-it/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Yuanlong:
Same here. The XPERIA looks like a very attractive alternative. Just wondering what will the price be when it arrive in Australia.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Melkor:
There is another manufacturer wchich introduced the Qualcomm Chipset into his newest product:

Toshiba!

They presented their new Portege 810 on 3GSM

Perhaps they use a driver which is compatible to the HTC models

Link:

http://www.theunwired.net/?item=mwc...he-new-portege-g810-windows-mobile-smartphone

Melkor
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ceevee369:
OK, no ODM X1 made by HTC for me than.

Take a good look at MEIZU M8. Maybe a rising Chinese star ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] korben:
Yeah.... IF it ever comes out :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jgermuga:
Nearer term, the iMate 9502 will be using the MSM7200 chipset if it ever comes out. It was anounced back in October. Should be interesting to see how well it actually works, since it is also VGA too. Meaning, if it runs well and can play video in VGA, imagine what the Kaiser could (should) do with a proper set of drivers under QVGA.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Liquidfire:
Im sure this has been mentioned but I could not find a reference to it in this thread.

Today I was watching a movie which was playing very well in the Core player. When I decided to switch over to my Bluetooth Fm transmitter and the video became unbearable. So after a few tries, the bluetooth definitely made my video completely unwatchable :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
I was thinking about this issue the other day and it occured to me that this could also have a significant impact on battery life.

Without the proper driver it might draw twice the needed electricity from the battery than with a proper driver.

Even though there are no drivers to use the graphics acceleration of the chip, it can be assumed that the chip is still powered and draws electricity.

Let's assume a simple example of a program that has 1 unit of calculation work (for CPU) and 1 unit of graphics work (for GPU).

With the drivers the CPU and GPU would execute this work concurrently.

Step 1 calc and graphics work:

CPU: 1 unit of work - GPU: 1 unit of work​

Without the proper drivers the CPU has to do all the work and will take longer:

Step 1 calc work:

CPU: 1 unit of work - GPU:

0

units of work

Step 2 graphics work:

CPU: 1 unit of work - GPU:

0

units of work​

Because the GPU is still powered it takes twice the amount of time and thus probably twice the amount of electrical power to do the same amount of work as with the driver.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mav42:
this is the message i got from HTC Tech support Aust on the 8th Feb:

This issue is related to hardware limitation of the device. The limitation is caused by the Qualcomm chipset used on the device. At the moment HTC do not have a solution for this problem. We do not have a driver update to give out . We cannot say if there will be a driver update made available for this problem as HTC is still addressing this problem.

Keith

Support Technician

in previous posts I noticed HTC saying they dont have hardware acc built in there chipsets,yet this post i recieved states the hardware is limited(limited to not working in my opinon) which i read as the the qualcomm ati acc is there but we arnt using it and turned it off

all very confusing
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
well it's clearly visible and "working" as the new CoreCodec's Core Player V1.1.3 has the APIs working on the Kaiser's version of the MSM7200.

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
I have just posted something on the AT&T forums about the issue.

I was surprised but there were absolutely 0 posts about this.

I have very little hope but maybe (less than 0.5% chance) if we post our frustration in their forums about the problem, AT&T will wake up?

http://forums.wireless.att.com
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Are you kidding me - there's a bug thread in the Tilt forum about this.. none of the AT&T employees have posted in it though, they're staying off of it.

We need a lot more AT&T customers calling about their Tilt problem. We're really missing out on a very powerfull ally, just because we can't get them to hear us.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
I agree with you 100%.

I have emailed A&T twice already with no response.

People need to get off their asses and complain to their carrier.

Sorry, I missed the previous posts on the AT&T forums. they were deeply buried.

We need to keep those up and alive at the top of the forum:

http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&thread.id=75562

http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&thread.id=74863

http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&thread.id=75728
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] joerao:
Today, HTC and AT&T held an open house at my company's campus. The HTC rep that came onsite could not publically comment on the status of the drivers, but did metion that there were legal issues between HTC and Qualcomm that prohibited him from further explaining the situation.

Has anyone heard similar rumors regarding legal conflict between AT&T and Qualcomm regarding this issue?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] medellinrob:
You might get some info here, not all, but some:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=359994

By the way, There's more than 30 pages... could some one just please inform me a summary of the status of the drivers by olipro and the dll expert?

(ie, they got the kaiser and started working on it just now)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
You mean HTC and Qualcomm..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fisha21:
I have been in touch with olipro and cmonex and they have not yet got a kaiser. However, 4site and I are working towards getting them one, so hopefully they should have their hands on one soon!

Just keep an eye on this thread...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] clmntch:
Do we know anything about the hardware?

I would like to contribute, video driver development.

I have a couple of questions:

1) Do we have a memory map?

2) Do we know how the msm7200 is connected?

3) Do we have specs for the hardware?

4) Do we have anything to get started with driver development

Basically what i'm looking for is something like http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UniversalResearch

Next, I would like to see if we can get our hands on some device specs

btw, the links on the main Kaiser page to msm7200_desing_cs.pdf, redirect you to qualcomm...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
The Qualcomm website appears to be a mess. Whatever links you clink on the website, they redirect back to the homepage.

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Michaelr219:
GREAT find... but this is absolute bull... our phone is capable of soo much and we are getting the short end of the stick because Qualcomm thought they could slip one by us. Even though, its us as the consumer that is only capable of putting them on a pedistle. I really hope they issue the drivers as a courtesy... It would be retarded and a huge blow to Qualcomms future earnings for them if they dont just to make an extra buck. All this time we were blaming HTC, when it was indeed qualcomm who was stiffin us... I dont care who coughs up the extra money at this point, but these need to be delivered pronto... I dont think the consumer should be left with the short end of the stick when we were over promised and under delivered
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Straputsky:
Hm, according to that interview I think both companies are guilty. Even if the chip doesn't underperform, there wouldn't be a huge performance gain without the drivers. But HTC never intended to buy the drivers. They just thought, the "standard version" is enough. Unfortunately the chip has some problems and doesn't perform well so the "standard version" isn't enough any more to match up with older devices. But even if it didn't have the problems we wouldn't get the performance we expected.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Michaelr219:
My point exactly, not only are we missing the drivers that would make our device optimal... we have the sub par drivers that cant even keep up with older devices... Our phone should be twice the quality that it is... In all aspects... but with htc being cheap and also not being given all of their options due to Qualcomm pulling a fast one. We wont know what are phone is capable of.

However, I think its only a matter of time... Someone will figure out how to configure the drivers from other devices with similar chips that theyll release. The consumer always wins, its inevitable
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] manaaa:
Olipro got an Orbit 2 (Polaris) .. same msm chip
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] olde:
Email From Peter Chou, CEO HTC

You may wish to make the good news from HTC available to 1000 xda-members who committed $10k bounty to anyone who fixes the HTC KaiserTytn2/Tilt:

Wed, 13 Feb, 2008, From Peter Chou, CEO HTC

http://www.htc.com/about/02-about-2-2.htm

...apologize for the issues you encountered. Thanks for the feedback we are working on a quality improvement and hope to release a new driver end of Mar. Thanks for your patience. Regards, Peter. Sent from my Windows Mobile phone.

If any xda-developers are near to getting a fix, they should contact Peter directly. You may also wish to contact the various media interests who are tracking http://www.htcclassaction.org/ and indicate HTC has committed to respond to customers concerns.

Is the aforementioned bounty available to HTC employee(s)? There are no rules mentioned about how to qualify for the bounty in the numerous threads on this topic.

Regards, olde & kevin@bongowireless.com

Provide your email address to be included in the correspondence.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
So if someone comes up with drivers for the MSM7200 devices, will they be cross-compatible with MSM7500 devices, or will there have to be another unlocking project?

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fisha21:
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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dirlan2001:
Maybe ?

Hi all,

Maybe it has been said before, or maybe I'm too late with this idea.... Did any of you take a look at a WM 5 rom for the hx4700 ? This machine has an ATI ImageOn GPU.....

If of any interest : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=335422

As far as I could check, there are some files that sound very ATI to me. I have also somewhere an official WM 5 upgrade from HP, which might be of service if need be.

Cheers,

Dirk
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
WHAT?!

Not sure about your grammar there, but as far as I understand those were the words of Peter Chou? Did you have an email conversation with him or something? Please post the whole thing...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
I concur:

WHAT?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] persiansown:
I concur too!

WHAT!!!!!!!!

If this is true, i shall crap my pants
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ladytoast:
I'll third that but in tiny writing

WHAT?

More info please...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
We demand DETAILS!!

How am I supposed to sleep now?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nick Collision:
My question is not "What?"

WTF???
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Isaygarcia:
WHAT THE HELL???

that where the words from Pete chou??

aahh!!

more details please!!!

now i cant sleep!! god damn!! (( sorry ))
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
In layman's terms please LOL

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ladytoast:
So we are going to believe someone with 3 posts that mysteriously doesn't offer any more info? :o

Come on olde.. spill the beans!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Doug2873:
Yeah, I hate to call BS on something positive like this, but come on...3 posts and he's the one that gets a response from Peter Chou...?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Isaygarcia:
hummmm...

ok thats true.. we cant beleive at all.. just wait.. if nothing happens... .... ....

just wait...

and dont leave the work... if someone is developing drivers or something.. just keep the work on..

Saludos!:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Well that was like 4-5 hours of good mood hehe.

Oh well, back to finding solutions.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
This is the ATI Imageon driver from, I believe it's the HP 4700. Rename the file, removing the .zip extension and extract with Winrar.

Hopefully it helps in some way.

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] w000ter:
APRIL FOOLS!!!

no.. wait..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gthing:
The bounty is not available to HTC employees, as it clearly says on the front page. HTC has a responsibility to provide us with drivers for their device, and we will consider the hundreds of dollars we spent on those devices as a reasonable bounty.

---

The only way I see this as being true is that Kevin at Bongo Wireless went to bat for us with HTC. If he has any kind of pull, it's possible he actually got a response from Peter. But if this is true, I wonder why they have not announced it themselves.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gthing:
Taking another look at it, I'm going to say there is greater than 50% chance that this is legit.

The reason they haven't officially announced it is that they don't have a release date - nor do they even know if they can get the drivers working. He said in his email "we *hope* to have ..."

The only thing that is a red flag for me is the fact that Peter apparently sent the email from his mobile phone - as if he doesn't have a computer at his desk?! Then again, it does explain the grammar...

If I had to call it right now, I'd say it's legit.

But of course we'll see...

Anyone write an email to Kevin?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hafftrak:
Please do not email regarding the above post as this person is using my email address without my knowledge and I will not respond. Thank you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] olde:
Peter Chou

Cripes, will you folks please keep your hair on?

I only emailed Peter Chou a day ago, and his reply was only a few hours ago. As you saw in the reply, which I just posted, he says HTC is working on the drivers, and he expects them fixed by the end of March.

So, I replied to Mr Peter Chou, and copied the administrator for htcclassaction.com and the guy who registered xda-developers.com. I asked Mr. Chou if he would mind contacting both of these individuals so they can validate his posting to all 1000 of you who are pledging money for a fix.

Maybe he will write to you all, maybe he won't, but cripes people, calm the heck down. HTC made a mistake, they know it, their CEO owns up to it, and they are promising to fix it.

Anyone who can help them aught to contact Mr. Chou directly, it does not have to be us versus them. I certainly doubt he would let HTC staff claim your reward bounty, so you'd still get the $10k reward and you might also get a chance to work with HTC's developers.

If you want Peter Chou's email address, search this site for it. I'm not the only person chatting with him. He seems unusually accessible to his customers, although you folks might want to sound a little calmer and more respectful if you write to him. -- Just a suggestion.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] olde:
Should I Apologize?

I thought you had repeatedly agreed to help me out with this. Your reputation and opinions could add much weight to the discussion. However, if mentioning you is inappropriate, I will try to edit your info out of my last post. Where do you stand?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hafftrak:
You want me to help you after you emailed me today. Your subject line being, and I quote, "TyTN II driver fix or refund". Furthermore you say, "I can't help feeling that this device could be wonderful if it had adequate drivers, but in the absence of these drivers, please authorize a full return and refund", Since you've had the device since November. Look, this isn't the place to air our dirty laundry. I have already expressed my feelings about this driver issue and I will stand by what I've said before, mostly, this issue is hardware limitations, its not a dual core but rather a 400mhz processor, granted the drivers could have an improvement but Rick...you wanted a business device and your ranting about video drivers. I see many others in here not happy with their drivers but still have their device. Just be patient and wait for an update like all of us. Email me or call me as you know where to find me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] olde:
Yikes!

My friend, you were CC'd on my email to Peter, it was not addressed TO you. The email asked Peter for a refund, not you. You are not on the hook for anything and you have done nothing wrong, so don't be alarmed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
Some people need to chill out and actually pay more attention

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dsyro:
What the hell?

I'm sorry, I don't understand... You asked HTC's CEO for a refund? Is this thread becoming a portal to a parallel reality?

Who is olde, who is kevin@bongowireless.com, who is hafftrak and why should any of us care?

This story is just ridiculous and it stinks to high heaven.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mav42:
Hmmmm Just for for the record i would like to point out I DIDNT buy a TYTN 2 as a Business Phone, but i THOUGHT I did buy a high end pda that could play movies and play games, and have windows that would be faster than a O2 XDA Exec, Obviously Business phone translates to LIMITED HARDWARE ,nodrivers but still charge high price.

VSBENCHMARK

O2 XDA EXEC(HTC UNIVERSAL):2444

HTC TYTN 2: 1438
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
I too got a reply saying that there was a driver coming in March.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Yzord:
As far as i know they wont bring a driver for the issue, but they will make a rom which works more closely with the cpu.

Read http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/editorials/qualcomm_htc_chipsets_and_feat.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
I don't know what are you all ranting about.

All I read is excellent news which I'm very excited about. I just hope that they release whole set of drivers... that'd be amazing, what a powerhouse Kaiser would become.

Whatever the case, I'm feeling very optimistic. We went from "almost no hope" to "drivers being developed for free by manufacturer of the device". I like that.

P.S: pissed-off pessimists that are sure that HTC owes us drivers can ignore this post and continue yelling that JUSTICE MUST BE SERVED and THEY OWE US DRIVERS. Yeah, they probably do, but they could've turned away and ignored the whole thing.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
I concur:

WTF?!?!?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wilsonzone:
I agree, somthing sounds off about this, since there is so much heat on this matter, why would HTC not just put out a press release and calm us all down.

So I 2nd, 3rd and 4th the above:

What!!!???
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Macgyvec3:
Hopes up?

I agree that I don't want my hopes up and then be crushed by some idiot's prank email. If it is legit then I'm sure we can expect a confirmation soon but it might not be a press release because possibly HTC does not want to confirm all the bad press to the press.

If indeed we will be getting our issues fixed then a big thanks goes out to all the hard work done by htcclassaction.org, xda-developers, and all the people who have pushed for it.

I thank you regardless of whether we get our issues fixed or not. You all have done great things!

Thank you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SatScan:
Speed up IE ????

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