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[X Style (Pure) General] s27moto:
there is nothing bad because we have good 2 years with our phone now if we like to try new update it's right time to try custom rom
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
You're missing the point.

I'm not arguing about the effectiveness of a custom ROM, that's not what we are talking about, this thread is about the stock N update.
[X Style (Pure) General] gavsi:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nougat_update_starts_hitting_unlocked_moto_z_units_in_us-news-23214.php
[X Style (Pure) General] autosurgeon:
Although only new phones have to use a new launcher so it would seem as long as they were device certified prior to March of 17
[X Style (Pure) General] john.r.m:
My take is

they want the 17' moto x to be released with N as a selling point so their holding off pushing it to the 15' moto x line. Why would you buy a 17' moto x if the cheaper 15' moto x had N 7.0
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
Perhaps, but Lenovo seems to take anything they can to keep from updating old devices... Look at the Moto G 2015. :/
[X Style (Pure) General] datchico305:
They really don't seem to care that much if you want good support find an OEM that is committed to all the devices and push out updates as promised more of the reason why I went with the OnePlus 3t the promised nougat before the end of 2016 and it was released on the 31st
[X Style (Pure) General] Sagar_1401:
December patch is out now for retasiads :/
[X Style (Pure) General] AsquareX:
Android Security Patch - India XT1572

Received it.
[X Style (Pure) General] Sagar_1401:
i was shocked when i received notification... i was hoping for nougat but turned out just a patch and that too no rjio compactibility :( ... kmon lenovo....
[X Style (Pure) General] CostasV23:
Xt1572 or 1575?
[X Style (Pure) General] AsquareX:
XT1572 - India
[X Style (Pure) General] finneyp:
Received the Security update (for December) today. This is an indication that Nougat update is further delayed! Lenovo sucks!
[X Style (Pure) General] quakeaz:
It may also indicate that Lenovo neglected to release several updates, so they are doing it now before Nougat is released. Maybe to lessen Moto X user's frustration with the company, might be too late for that...

No December patch for retus yet.
[X Style (Pure) General] plazzmex:
Well, Xposed isn't out for nougat anyway, and without it there is no use for Android...

Anyway, Marshmallow is fast and friendly, so no need for Nougat (Just for the new notifications ?)
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
Well, according to the author of Xposed, it may be SEVERAL months before Nougat is supported... rovo89 said it will take several hundred hours to get Xposed working with Nougat, and he can only commit about 5 hours per week. So do the math, if "several hundred" means 200, then it's 40 weeks... if it means 500 hours, then it's 100 weeks.

Doesn't sound to promising to me...

https://www.xda-developers.com/rovo89-updates-on-the-situation-regarding-xposed-for-nougat/

https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3034811&page=5
[X Style (Pure) General] quang_nguyen:
Also no for Ret EU version in Vietnamese network yet :(
[X Style (Pure) General] Sagar_1401:
z play gets updated worldwide and some said it'll get by may... fake ruomrs spreaded.... it'll be out soon... its just matter of time and patience
[X Style (Pure) General] quakeaz:
So I decided to call Motorola support, I've asked them about Nougat via online chat in the past and gotten nowhere. The call wasn't much different. He was unable to give me a date, but what he did repeatedly say was "Android 7.1", so hopefully that's what we will get. I just hope it's not another 6 months.
[X Style (Pure) General] AsquareX:
Read a post on Google+ saying that the person got December security patch right before Nougat update on his Moto Z Play. So when he updated to latest patch, it was followed by Nougat update immediately. Maybe that will be the same for us? Surely not as fast as the Z Play but we can hope our next update will be of Nougat just like him.
[X Style (Pure) General] Fran Torres:
I have read that in India or somewhere people are getting December patch on their Moto X Pure/Style
[X Style (Pure) General] quakeaz:
This thread is one of those places.
[X Style (Pure) General] marksedge:
After I get this bloody nougat update . I definitely won't play this long waiting game anymore . Which ever device I transition to better stick to the G@d D@mn story or so help me Buddha
[X Style (Pure) General] raywallet:
I will get a huawei p10 by then
[X Style (Pure) General] autosurgeon:
Lol at anyone that thinks any manufacturer cares about software updates.
[X Style (Pure) General] Suri149:
I got December security patch moto x style

:)
[X Style (Pure) General] aybarrap1:
In a nutshell: Consistent updates means getting one of several devices. Nexus/pixel (android), iPhone, or Windows Phone (with W10M). Android devices outside of Nexus/Pixel line means being at the mercy of the manufacturer and/or carrier. It has been this way for years and nothing has changed. I hope for the update to nougat, but don't expect too much either.

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[X Style (Pure) General] Suri149:
Guys there is any chance of volte update after nought update why moto x style not solve issue of volte reliance Jio
[X Style (Pure) General] Fran Torres:
yes, that's right, I didn't read it xD
[X Style (Pure) General] s27moto:
any news ???
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
News on what? The Nougat update, then nothing has changed. May at best, never at worst.
[X Style (Pure) General] quakeaz:
According to the Moto X subreddit, the Dec. patch is now hitting some US models.
[X Style (Pure) General] Nick N:
Nothing here yet. I hate that I have to remove the SIM to check (T-Mobile).
[X Style (Pure) General] Rmsalt:
Android Upgrading this morning

My Moto X Pure upgraded this morning to Android System Version 24.231.16. What does that mean?
[X Style (Pure) General] AsquareX:
It means you have got December security patch for your phone.
[X Style (Pure) General] BackDaws:
I couldn't give a **** about nougat, I love this phone so much, only thing I could wish for is better battery life and amoled screen, if Motorola sold this phone with a 4000 mah battery and amoled screen as a Moto X pure+ I would be on it.
[X Style (Pure) General] aybarrap1:
If Moto had deemed to use just AMOLED, I would have been willing to pay $50 more. That would have made moto display a perfect feature as with previous X models considering it would have lower impact on battery.

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[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
Just say no to Led!

If Motorola had decided to use Led technology, you could not have paid me enough to use this phone. Its LCD screen is one of its greatest strengths.
[X Style (Pure) General] Sagar_1401:
in India the December patch came like 2-3 months ago
[X Style (Pure) General] xabr3:
Only this day left for lenovorola :p:p:p
[X Style (Pure) General] andromobilogy:
Maybe its May 2018 :eek:
[X Style (Pure) General] sommart4428:
This is 1st. of June now. My Moto is still android 6.0. Very sad.
[X Style (Pure) General] jahciple:
Even if we get 7.0, we are still behind the updates.
[X Style (Pure) General] cricetus:
I think somebody of members on xda should write a letter that we are bery disapointed and we are unhappy with this what they are doing with our update.

Wysłane z mojego XT1572 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
lol... why? Do you think they don't know? This link to the official Lenovo forums is full of 500 posts of "less than happy" people talking about the Nougat update on the Moto X S/P

https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-X...gat-Update-for-Moto-X-Pure-Style/td-p/3399914

Pretty sure they know...
[X Style (Pure) General] cricetus:
Ofcourse they know, but i think we sholud do this

Wysłane z mojego XT1572 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[X Style (Pure) General] Notstewie:
Got tired of waiting this ****ty update, installed Lineage os, 7.1.2 and I cannot be happier. I would not care if they pushed the update now as this is running pretty good.
[X Style (Pure) General] screech:
Is there a downside ? do the sensors, moto display and other knobs work on lineage ? I am guessing they use the cyanogen tools ?

PS: Sorry for the noob question, but have not research lineage and am getting to that point too.
[X Style (Pure) General] lmulli:
I've actually gone the other way and reverted back to stock as I find the custom ROMs I've used are not as stable or as smooth.
[X Style (Pure) General] ominousnimbus:
The custom Nougat ROMs are never going to be totally flawless with Bluetooth/camera/cellular connectivity and things like that, especially if we never get stock Nougat for the proprietary "blobs." Lenovo has totally f***ed those of us who value stability and reliability. I'll probably be moving on to another device later this year, even though I'd hoped to use the MXPE for longer than that originally.
[X Style (Pure) General] Notstewie:
Sensors work fine, there is no moto display and the gestures work (double chop for flash .. etc)

The only bug I faced so far is sometimes the LTE data stopps working but the signal is still there, I could not care less because I use wifi most of the time. I will look into that bug here in the forum to see if there is a fix.

**Update : edited the apn parameters and mobile data works again.

other than that it is far better experience than stock even without moto display with so many features and customizations and latest security patch.
[X Style (Pure) General] ominousnimbus:
lol typical... custom ROM is a great experience, but oh yeah BTW, the core function of a cell phone doesn't really work right. Might just not receive that important call for a job interview, or the alarm might not go off due to some other bug, no biggie though. As I said, for those of us who want to use our phones seriously instead of just as a tinkering playground, Lenovo has bent us over and it's about time to move on or accept Marshmallow permanently. I'm sure a marginally Java-literate intern in Beijing is hard at work making a slightly less butchered version of the code Motorola's team handed over when they were all fired.
[X Style (Pure) General] Notstewie:
I never said anything about cell reception. Calling is working just fine. Only the mobile data had an issue. And btw it turned out to be an issue of apn and now it is working fine.

I agree with you about Motorola screwing people over. :D
[X Style (Pure) General] Sagar_1401:
Running du (rc) with handbag kernal.. Getting 4-4 1/2 hrs of sot which is best for our custom rom (till now )..
[X Style (Pure) General] SoNic67:
Can you share? I am curious, can't imagine a setting that would act intermittently.
[X Style (Pure) General] Notstewie:
The LTE logo had a small x on top and there was no internet. I found some proxy settings in the apn settings which I had not see before. Removed that and internet worked fine on LTE so far.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
But think of the multi-window!

Indeed. But for those folks who absolutely have to have multi-window two months ahead of everybody else, the risk is there to be taken. Some of the phone's features may not work right (or at all) and you might have even worse battery life, but who cares when you've got multi-window, right?
[X Style (Pure) General] crash613:
There is an announcement today that the moto X Play is Rolling out 7.1.1...maybe there's hope.. Maybe that is the holdup.. The jump to. . . .1.1
[X Style (Pure) General] Sagar_1401:
that might be a case which may be true but if we jump from 7.1.1 then it'll take more time for official roll-out of 7.0

play and style/pure has different chipset and features so we can't say that pure/style will also be updated to 7.1.1

the .1.1 is just showoff there is no handful features added to it.. .1.1 and .1.2 are just showoff

there is nothing extra in it just buildprop edit and done.
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
Moto X Play is NOT a real Moto X device, in the next generation of devices it became the Moto G Plus... what it gets has no effect on us.

And that "announcement" didn't come from Lenovo/Moto, so take it just like the annoucement that the Moto X Pure edition was getting Nougat update rolling out a couple months ago, with a huge grain of salt.
[X Style (Pure) General] jDally987:
Lol, funny you mention that, I actually DID miss a job interview because of this phone. Tried to make an international call to a recruiter in London and it just wouldn't connect. Called verizon and turns out since I have the unlocked version and VZW doesn't officially support the moto X, it's not capable of making international calls. :////////// Can't get in touch with the lady now, she won't respond to my emails and voicemails, so here's a big fat middle finger to you Moto, you made me lose a potential job.

I completely agree with everything else you're saying. Other phones I have had ZERO problems owing only to the hardware when rooting & installing custom ROMs. My main criteria for buying a phone nowadays has been primarily the ability to do that (which is hard with the ever-dwindling number of devices w/ unlocked bootloaders). I bought this one since the whole goddamn selling point was the "pure android" experience, it's even in the ****ing name! So now that Lenovorola can't push out firmware, BASED ON PLAIN AOSP, 19 months after it's released, on their flagship phone, I go to put the latest version on there myself as usual, and what do I get? Bootloops. A ****ty as **** camera that barely works half the time. The occasional radio issue. And worst of all, lag in the menus that seems to come & go but when it rears its ugly head, I swear the phone just acquires down syndrome all of a sudden and will not respond to any inputs without a 5 second delay. It takes me a few minutes just to clear RAM and restart and that only helps sometimes.

The hardware in this phone is ****ed, only slightly more ****ed than the abortion of a company it came from. I normally don't rage like this and I'm even wondering if I'll be complacent in a month when they release (???) Nougat MAYBE, but this is just goddamn ridiculous.. my last phone was an LG G2 and I swear it was the best, most solid device I've ever owned, ever. When Marshmallow came out, I upgraded from its stock Kitkat and instantly felt like I was holding a new phone. Everything ran faster than the day I first got it, and with perfect stability. Honestly I've been researching and contemplating buying a used LG V20 just because it's relatively cheap, and the closest thing to my needs right now so I can get off this ride, but I feel like I'm going to regret it if Moto's update comes soon and then the late summer-fall wave of new phones makes prices crash on all the old ones.
[X Style (Pure) General] autosurgeon:
Your problem is Verizon. I make international calls on ATT with this phone.
[X Style (Pure) General] jDally987:
Yeah that is true. It's just sorta the culmination of all the various little things about the phone that consistently annoys me. Plus I didn't know it couldn't make international calls on VZW period, but now that I do, it's a pretty strong impetus to ditch the phone, which compounds upon all the past grievances ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[X Style (Pure) General] smallmj:
I'd call that a pretty strong impetus to ditch the carrier, but that's just me.
[X Style (Pure) General] jDally987:
:/ you're telling me. It's one of those things where I'm still on the parents' plan and not sure if jumping ship from paying $50/mo for my line is worth it. Also haven't done much research on carriers at all.

In the past I've considered going to Republic or Google Fi, but they still seem kind of sketchy, and the phone selections are eh. (that's part of why I chose the Moto X, Republic has BYOD now)
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
This phones makes international calls on Verizon just fine, as long as you have international calling enabled for your account.
[X Style (Pure) General] SoNic67:
Use Google Voice. It's cents per minute to most countries, who cares for the overpriced carriers capability?
[X Style (Pure) General] Akopps:
First they push the Nougat OTA into May. Now it's already June. My MXPE still shows nothing new in the OTA. This is a typical Lenovo/Moto experience with the OTA updates. Are they trying to release Nougat ROM when it's already one year old?
[X Style (Pure) General] Sagar_1401:
Soak testing is yet not finished... There may be some issues so they might be working on it
[X Style (Pure) General] lmulli:
Soak testing? I'd imagine by now that not only has the device been soak tested, its drowned!!
[X Style (Pure) General] anth0nymDROID:
It's not water proof so it most likely failed
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
The sky is falling!

If nothing else, this experience should've been a hint that this phone is no more "based on plain AOSP" than the Samsung Galaxy S is. Just because it isn't themed to hide the blandness of the default AOSP skin doesn't mean that it's "stock" in any other regard. In fact, with all of the special value-adds, I wouldn't be surprised if this device's software was more complex than Samsung's, HTC's, or LG's.

The V20 is nice, but I don't think that anybody's going to be unlocking the bootloader on the Verizon version anytime soon, which is something that you indicated was a priority.

Oh no, whatever will we do? The multi-window-enabling update is coming out in June instead of March! How will we survive?! First we endured the threat of "global warming," and now we're going to have to wait on that bleeding-edge software update for an additional fraction of a year? Oh the humanity!
[X Style (Pure) General] jDally987:
Thanks for telling me this, I wasn't aware the Verizon unlocking process was so long & fraught with issues. Guess I can't go with the V20 then.

I agree, it shouldn't be a big deal, but if the stock FW just had the updated emojis and removed paste delay of android 6.0.1, I wouldn't be so upset. But a couple little things like that are kind of significant issues for me and so I'd rather just flash a nougat rom, BUT WAIT!, the irredeemable issue with that is that the hardware and drivers (camera, etc) are so disagreeable to third-party roms that it's hardly even worth it with the slowdown, hitches, various bs.

I really don't wanna stick with the pure for any longer. Anyone have any great recommendations for VZW phones I could pick up used?

EDIT: I'm currently checking out the HTC 10, looks good ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[X Style (Pure) General] arwarburg:
ZTE Axon 7!
[X Style (Pure) General] acejavelin:
Except that signal reception... most people who have had one complain about it. Otherwise it's not a bad device from what I've seen but there are a few common complaints. Note that this is the opposite of the Axon 7 Mini, which has virtually none of the issues the Axon 7 has, except you can't root it because the bootloader isn't unlockable.

Axon and OnePlus have something in common here to keep in mind though, once the new model comes out, the old one is forgotten for software upgrades... So basically you get a single OS upgrade, and a few maintenance updates.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
That's it? Just the symbols?

So it's the software's support for special symbols that is the big issue? In that case, just wait a couple of weeks for the official N release.
[X Style (Pure) General] Akopps:
I think the bigger problem here is not that we're not getting multi-window-enabling feature (although, it can certainly be useful on a phone with a big 5.7-inch screen like on MXPE) but the fact how little security updates we're getting. Our Marshmallow firmware security level is what, like a year old now? How great. How great to use a smartphone that's potentially vulnerable to old and well-known exploits.

As for my whining about the release date being March vs June, please note that March was already _ridiculously_ late. Any motion to postpone the update past March looks bad, very bad.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
Look on the bright side!

Security updates are overrated anyway. It's largely just a scare tactic used to sell new phones (and from what I've seen on Reddit and the forums, it's not ineffective). And for the record, the "patch level" for the latest release is December, making it only six months old. For a 2015 device, that's actually pretty good.

And a March release for a ~2-year-old device is not "ridiculously late." You can't reasonably expect bulky, bleeding-edge software to get ported (by the OEM) to a phone that they're not even selling anymore in a span of just 3-4 months; especially when one considers how complex this device's software framework probably is.
[X Style (Pure) General] cablord:
Actually, since the OS is rather stock, they only need to port the camera and IR sensor stuff (which are not common among common phones)

Moto voice has turned to a hook to just catch a phrase and pass it to gNow or Assistant, most of their apps are stock by default (in the non contract variants anyway)... I would recon that if they put some manpower to it they could have finished the update rather quickly, however it does seem the Lenovo don't tend to update any of their products (even Mobo's on Laptops get bios updates really late....) so it's not that surprising, sad though, I really enjoy my MXPE but will probably switch in the following month to a different phone (annoying since it isn't even 2 years old). But I will switch not because of the update but because of wear and tear that occurred on my specific phone :)
[X Style (Pure) General] autosurgeon:
Yeah that isn't really how it works. Every but of hardware in the phone requires proprietary drivers and software settings. Whether the os looks stock has nothing to do with it.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bill720:
Not exactly...

As [MENTION=3602592]autosurgeon[/MENTION] mentioned, the visual theme has little to do with anything anymore (in fact, I theorize that it probably hasn't for seven years or more, (if ever) but that goes a bit beyond the scope of this discussion). There's a whole covfefe of hardware and whatnot in this phone that they have to code specifically for, (possibly even more than what is seen in other devices) so it's not just a simple matter of "porting AOSP" and calling it a day. The mainstream mass media has drilled into people's minds that third-party skins automatically equal bad performance, poor battery life, and slow updates, when this theory actually has almost no basis in fact. I can't blame folks for believing it since it comes up in so many high-profile smartphone reviews, but it really is a case of fake news misleading people. Something always has to be the scapegoat though.
[X Style (Pure) General] NahuelMS:
Maybe a couple of us have problems to count. Use your fingers, when Android N was launched this device wasn't even 1 year old, now it is getting 2 years old because lenovo take almost a year to update the device. Samsung S6 got Nougat a long time ago with almost all S7 features. We have one years waiting for an update with no new specific features in acomplishment with "Lenovo" policy of "new features=buy new one". Even Lg v10 got nougat with the features of g5 and g6 and soon the G4.
[X Style (Pure) General] m+a+r+k:
It's not Lenovo/Moto folks.

The main problem is that Qualcomm have stated that they are not updating drivers for the Snapdragon 808 CPU any more. They have dragged their feet over this for some time and maybe 7.0 did get done many months ago, but they have stopped now and any current bugs in the drivers is not a priority. The 810 was the cut off point and indeed the Force did get Nougat, but I think even the 810 is now finished.

I don't think we will get it and if we do it will be 7.0 which was done months ago but still has bugs. We won't get any further updates.
[X Style (Pure) General] anth0nymDROID:
That doesn't make any sense. 6p and 5x use the chipset
[X Style (Pure) General] m+a+r+k:
Yes, but when did they get their updates? They were first in the queue and since then Qualcomm have ceased work on the 808. Also the hardware is different, the drivers have to match the hardware, sensors and radio. It's this that takes time and testing and they aren't doing that now.