yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] shweeney:
just had the same issue with 0131 version, reboot to black screen, but the notification bar is available. :(

seems to have happened at the same time as yesterday - I wonder is that just a coincidence?

Edit: - switching Airplane mode on/off has got me back into the system. Weird.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] amaurypastora:
Had same problem so I installed RR. It happened to me a lot of times and never noticed why. I rebooted like 10 times and wiped cache and dalvik until I got back to system normally.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] shweeney:
How's RR working for you? My phone did this again this evening but a reboot got me back in. I was wondering if it was WiFi related.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] mparus:
update fist post - new build
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] MadKode:
Any news on RR?
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] mparus:
Maybe tomorrow
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Eduardo58:
Thanks for your work [MENTION=1784357]mparus[/MENTION] :)
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] desalesouche:
hi, If you compile with : export WITH_SU=true before brunch , su will be integrated in the rom
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] darcknescrz9:
Thank you very much for your work I love this rom.

I only have a question

It's going to be otg support? if it's possible. in cm12 works perfect

It's essencial for me, I use a external DAC for music.

I understand that in cm13 there was a problem that it's the reason that why could not be activated.

I did a clean install of the last build and everything works well, for the moment I didn't found any issue or random reboots, I will keep testing.

Have a nice day!!.

Enviado desde mi G760-L01 mediante Tapatalk
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Potato997:
I think he already knows and is building the ROM without root for whoever don't want root in their device. He linked the root add-on in the OP for who want root.

It was already possible to compile CM 13 with and without root in the same way.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] mparus:
I know, but I don't use su for apps, only for adb.

In the first post exist link to add-ons with su and unroot.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] mparus:
OTG not supported at the moment

I don't have any DAC device for tests :(
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] darcknescrz9:
I know, I test it, it's no difference for external dac and keyboard, mouse or a usb storage device. if works with a external storage, works for a external DAC. maybe in the future you can intend add otg support, when you have time.

Enviado desde mi G760-L01 mediante Tapatalk
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] mparus:
if anyone have random reboot - please try this kernel https://xdaforums.com/devdb/project/dl/?id=23109
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Potato997:
Is it only for LineageOS os or also for RR?
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] mparus:
Only LOS, I build RR kernel later
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] denden1979:
Thanks friend for all your contributions to the community

Enviado desde mi G760-L01 mediante Tapatalk
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Sparko612:
Fixed my mtp issue, many thanks indeed. lineage god damn amazing even proximity working too so so happy your amazing bro :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] NAJI23:
mtp connect ro pc are fixed??
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Sparko612:
Stupid error on my part had device connection would not show so just reinstalled driver and fixed it right away
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] amaurypastora:
Maybe it is because it happened to me when I came back to home, but obviously not everyday.

RR it's fine, I got some random reboots and sometimes I can't unlock the phone and I have to reboot. Also you have all the personalization from RR so if you like it you can try it.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] mparus:
Random reboot with latest kernel?
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] shweeney:
I've clean installed the Feb 10 version, no issues so far.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Sparko612:
Also with RR I'm not able to import any sim contacts as they don't even show
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] amaurypastora:
On RR yes. Like two or three per hour.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] mparus:
new kernel https://xdaforums.com/devdb/project/dl/?id=23135
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] shweeney:
how do I flash the kernel (sorry for stupid question).

also - do I need this new kernel if I'm running the 20170210 ROM?
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Potato997:
Boot to TWRP, Install, Click on Image, flash it
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] shweeney:
thanks, looks like I do need it as I just had another random reboot.

only it's not random - it seems to happen when I leave my office and the phone disconnects from the WiFi, 3rd time it's happened now with different builds.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Sparko612:
Will the new kernel fix detection for sim contacts ??
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Reep1324:
Only two reboots so far, when the phone connect to wifi from LTE (home and work). Not always. So I installed the new kernel thru fastboot...
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] nantzen:
exactly the same form me..
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] mparus:
Please use latest kernel
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] MadKode:
Should I use recovery or Flashify?
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] shweeney:
I've just flashed it from TWRP

haven't left the office yet though :eek:
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] MadKode:
It was happening to me at home. Now that I left I'm pretty sure is WiFi related. Every time I go to school/work I get a restart near the bus stop. There's a McDonald's with an open hotspot in front of the bus stop and I'm beginning to suspect that the restart is triggered by that hotspot somehow.

I'm running RR nougat, maybe this is something common to both ROMs!
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] mparus:
I upload later new kernel for RR
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] mparus:
anyone have split sdcard to internal and external volume - this is howto - http://blog.sam.liddicott.com/2016/02/android-6-semi-adopted-storage.html

and fix for move "big" apps to internal sdcard (apps with symlink in libs directory):

commit for devs - https://github.com/CyanogenMod/andr...3e15c37#diff-b106e862a9c3d2640b3f638997110f56

and file to users - unzip and put file toybox from attachment to /system/bin/ directory

I include this fix in next rom build.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] drakenabarion:
Toybox works nicely. I can move big apps between storage now.

Anyone copying the file manually, when you move it to /system/bin, be prepared to have to edit the permissions in Recovery as at the instant of the copy, Root Explorer could not see files and system acts Oddly (which is to be expected since I don't know a way to copy with permissions). TWRP file management has a chmod 722 option so its pretty easy to sort out, just be aware that until that happens, you won't be booting etc.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] shweeney:
A couple of times now my home button has stopped working.

Might be something to do with System Profiles which I have setup to trigger on WiFi connection. Switching to another profile has fixed it.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] mparus:
update first post - new build from yesterday
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] mparus:
support for aptx

from

https://xdaforums.com/oneplus-3/themes/mod-aptx-codec-t3521228

edit: remove attachment - our device has no aptX license
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] sajadzare:
Why es file explorer app doesn't touch folders in start for about 5 seconds ? Test everyone and report. In RR and Lineage
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Potato997:
Probably because Es File Explorer is too blootwared
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Sparko612:
Latest lineage build :

Can't read sim contacts

Can't access SD card using pre installed file manager keeps saying to elevate root privileges not sure if anyone else has this happen ??

Other than that its perfect and will be using from now on brilliant work [MENTION=1784357]mparus[/MENTION] your the best :laugh:

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Yeah your right used to slow my phone down too because of bloatware
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] osharko:
hi, is there some bug in that new version? i'm coming from the official 5.1.1 (B360), and i have a bug that when i double tap on the screen, the screen won't wake up and i need this feature, for this i'm thinking about the upgradeing.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] sajadzare:
[MENTION=1784357]mparus[/MENTION] thanks for your hard work . in lineage and RR in camera video recording when switching from back camera to front camera ,the app was closed
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] nantzen:
how can I remove it?

aptX license? is it possible to bypass this restriction? is it something hardwired?

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installed v.20170214 and.. no more random reboot!!! thanks! [MENTION=1784357]mparus[/MENTION]
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] osharko:
hi, is there any microSD issues? maybe with a 128GB model?
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] nantzen:
I had no issues with my 32GB and 64GB uSD. About 128GB I don't know, but I suppose that if it is working for 32/64 it should also work for 128GB.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] osharko:
is possible after the installation do a rolling back to the stock 5.1.1?
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] kamilb365:
Yeah, put the Update.App file in a dload folder in your SD card. Then turn off phone and hold power and both volume buttons until installation begins.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] inlin3:
cant upload gifs of videos in whatsapp in lastest builds
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] NAJI23:
build of 214 has a aptx codec??? or i have to install the flashable zip
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] kamilb365:
4G Data and WiFi work really slow on this ROM..

When on stock I get normal snappy feedback and on this it takes a long time to load even a Snapchat message. Otherwise its great?
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] shweeney:
Yeah, I've had the same impression, wasn't 100% sure though.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] RVSSi4N:
Same here.

How to turn of the root icon (#) from statusbar? In the settings I can turn off all except this one :crying:
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Takamoto:
I've the same request for cm13
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Potato997:
It's not possible on CM. But on RR you can disable the icon.

The only way to disable the root icon in CM is to download Chainfire's SuperSU app and use it as root manager.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] arafam:
Would anybody send me a video for how to install this rom on my g7 l01..i have never used a custom ROM before,my phone is running marshmallow official update without root.. any help please.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] kamilb365:
First you need to unlock the bootloader (Send an Email to Huawei in your country [e.g Huawei Ireland] and ask them for a bootloader unlock code. They'll reply back with all the info they need from you and then they'll send you a code to unlock it.)

Then install a custom recovery (I'll post DL link later)

Then you need to download all the files for the ROM (You obviously need the ROM itself and optionally Gapps.)

Then you wipe system data and wipe davlik cache from the custom recovery and flash the ROM and the optional GAPPS from your SD card.

Then reboot. The first boot-up may take a few minutes so don't start worrying.

The following video tutorial shows you the installation of the ROM but its in Spanish.

I know I didn't explain very clearly so feel free to reply if you have any questions

[VIDEO TUTORIAL ------>]. [youtube]JD71yNopxxE[/youtube]
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] drakenabarion:
Latest version I seem to be unable to use camera or flash light. Also its quite slow to boot. (about 3 minutes).
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] kriskurtgc:
Hello I dowloaded everything, everything seem to be ok, only one problem, I have a lots of app who dont work, they stop everytime, I tried to uninstall, reinstall via le play store but everytime it stop, it's not all the app but some, for example something idiot but my app for carrefour online because I buy my food online don't work anymore, the app of the game draw something do the same thing. If someone have some problems with app and know how to solve the problem. I didn't this problem with the CM13
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] kamilb365:
Clear Davlik Cache
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] kriskurtgc:
Already done , it s not work
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] sajadzare:
[MENTION=1784357]mparus[/MENTION] can you help me ,

I unpacked boot.img from your cm13 build and also boot.img from Mokee 6.0.1 latest build of honor 4x cherry .

And replace ramdisk of mokee rom with ramdisk of your cm13 build and repack your cm13 boot.img but when i install mokee rom and flash new boot image . Rom booting but still on boot animation logo. Can you help me to create a patch file for mokee honor 4x cherry rom for Huawei g7 ?

http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/58b284cc6119d/bootimg22222.zip

https://download.mokeedev.com/?device=cherry
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] mparus:
Probablay you must repack boot.img, replace ramdisk - from mokee boot.img to los boot.img or replace kernel,dts files only.

Wysłane z mojego G760-L01 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] kamilb365:
Re-download and and re-flash the rom. Maybe it didnt download properly
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] sajadzare:
I try it but not booting. I put the boot from mokee 6.0.1 of honor 4x cherry can you create a boot.img for g7 ?

http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/58b2a8bd172bf/boot.zip
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] kriskurtgc:
the same
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] kamilb365:
Maybe flash the rom first without Gapps and if everything works good then flash the Gapps from the recovery. And wipe Davlik Cache afterwards
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] kriskurtgc:
I Have no problem with the flash of the Rom everytime it's a success, now since I reflashed the rom, I have an other problem in the developper option for the autorization of the root I have adb only, before I have the option adb and app, I don't have anymore this option I don't understand and I did a clean install so I don't understand to don't have the option anymore
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] kamilb365:
You must flash the root file, check the first thread
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] drakenabarion:
I can't get the camera or flash/torch to work on the latest build.

Generally I don't use camera on my G7 anymore so mostly I don't mind the camera not working. However, some apps try to interface with the camera such as Facebook messenger. This causes the app to freeze until they access the camera. (bad design from Facebook!)

Anyone else got this issue?
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] mparus:
New ROM in Download section. Call recording and doze option enabled. And other small changes.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] luistro:
Thanks [MENTION=1784357]mparus[/MENTION]
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] NAJI23:
camera whatsapp not launch in last build 303
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Potato997:
On Resurrection Remix the ROM had this problem to.

Try to fix it in this way:
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] NAJI23:
whats app i edit build
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Potato997:
...sorry?
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] drakenabarion:
Camera works in the newer build (marked 03 March). Thank you.

Other than camera, I have always been stable on lineageOS
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] freeforce:
Mobile network is very low.

Is there a way to increase this?

4G continuous 1 stage.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] sajadzare:
Please add new Access point in Mobile network and fill first and second line, save , and set it as active access point
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Takamoto:
Is more stable this one or cm13 one?
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] freeforce:
Is this ?

I do not know what to do.
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] Sparko612:
You can search online for your network providers apn settings and manually input then save apn and set but yes that is apn settings to input manually select 3 dots in top right hand corner
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] redultra82:
Rom was going good till snapchat, I tried it all and get cannot open camera error
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] dogmaxpeppe:
Last build: I installed SuperSU app, tried to update SU binaries with TWRP from SuperSU app, after installing these binaries and reboot got stuck forever into bootscreen.

Edit: resolved flashing build and Gapps again with SuperSU binaries and wiping davlik/cache

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Helium doesn't work. Superuser checking loads forever, and same thing happens when I try to connect Helium with Desktop App (also enabling PTP mode). Anyone has this problem too?
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] freeforce:
New build waiting
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] mparus:
new build

https://xdaforums.com/devdb/project/dl/?id=23652
[Huawei Ascend G7 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe] sajadzare:
Thanks boy. Can you create new build for RR too ?
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A series Questions & Answers] qsd88:
Hello,

I have a SM-T580 and I wonder if it's possible to use it with S-pen or another fine tip pen?

The SM-T580 and the SM-P580 have the same hardware, flasher the SM-T580 with the firmware SM-P580 could work?
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A series Questions & Answers] ModernChaot:
Actually, the hardware isn't the same. The S-Pen version comes with 1GB more RAM, and I tried to use the S-Pen from a P-580 on a T-580, without luck :|
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A series Questions & Answers] qsd88:
Thank's

The difference in RAM also exists between the SM-t550 and the SM-P550.

I do not think that the amount of RAM affects the S-PEn, or there is another hardware element that allows the use of the S-pen or it is only a software difference
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A series Questions & Answers] BajaBlast4Life:
The S-Pen from P-580 will not work on T-580 because it does not have the Wacom stylus technology in it however it will on any Galaxy Note smartphones. If you need the best stylus pen, you should buy the Galaxy Tab A 10.1 with S pen or wait for the new Galaxy Tab S3 with S pen to come out.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A series Questions & Answers] qsd88:
So the Wacom stylus technology is not just software ?
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A series Questions & Answers] BajaBlast4Life:
Correct, there probably a sensor chip that allows u to use the stylus.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A series Questions & Answers] klaberte:
No, it is a detection layer that covers the entire screen (transparent, like the capacitive layer that detects finger touches).
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A series Questions & Answers] lewmur:
There is a much bigger difference than the size of the RAM. Tablets equipped with S-Pen have a special mesh screen behind the LCD screen to detect the pen's position. The T580 doesn't have that screen like the Galaxy Note tablets or some iPad models do. So, no, a fine tipped electronic stylus will NOT work with one.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A series Questions & Answers] Beut:
Read this article to understand how the S-Pen work, then you should not expect the S-Pen to work with no S pen tablet.

http://www.androidauthority.com/break-it-down-how-does-the-s-pen-work-154435/

SM-P580 and SM-T580 almost identical except S Pen, however the firmware is not interchangeable.

Try it, Odin will fail immediately as it detect wrong firmware.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A series Questions & Answers] bbnajjar:
Bashar B. NAJJAR- Senior Quality Engineer- ABB

Well NONE of the answers were able to tell what to do with a SAMSUNG tab that is NOT equipped with a stylus pen by default, in order to handwrite on it.

So the question might be, if someone by mistake bought a SAMSUNG tab like SM-T585 assuming that it should be interactive with any available stylus SAMSUNG pen, then what is the model of the Stylus Pen from SAMSUNG or any other brandnames that might be compatible with his selection.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A series Questions & Answers] Beut:
How you use the pen when tablet's LCD is not designed for it ? You cannot expect a gasoline car can run by both battery and fuel like a hybrid one.

An electromagnetic field is generated from a circuit behind the screen. The S Pen picks this up and uses it to power itself and figure out its position relative to the screen. It sends this, along with information from the S Pen button and the nib at the end, back to the Note.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A series Questions & Answers] lewmur:
Very simple answer to what he can do, trade the tablet in on one that has the HARDWARE necessary to detect an S Pen. There IS NO stylus that will work with any "T" model tablet that will produce fine enough lines for "handwriting".
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A series Questions & Answers] BROKEN_SITH'ARI:
the samsung universal stylus should work perfectly with this model .

Oem stylus touch screen pen for galaxy tab a 10.1 (2016) p580 & p585 {in compatibility it had the model letter t in front of the 580/585 . Running at au$10.49 on ebay right now .

The day i got my tab i was comfortably using a cheap arse "papermate inkjoy stylus" . Was old and the nub was deteriorated so i upgraded .

If you have any issues with any s pen download an app called write on pdf and it should solve compatibility .

There's the answer you want mate , all the pretentious c♡nts with their non-answers ? , these other wankers probably work for samsung sales department ???
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A series Questions & Answers] thiagocomar:
actually, s pen works on t585.. it doesn`t work on t580 =)
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A series Questions & Answers] lewmur:
No it doesn't. The S-Pen only works on Note tablets or on ones with a P instead of a T in the model number. The samsung universal stylus mentioned in the previous post is NOT an S-Pen. Check on eBay and you'll find it is a CAPACITIVE stylus which is NOT the same thing as an S-Pen. The S-Pen is a Wacom electronic stylus that requires a fine mesh screen behind the LCD to detect the pens position. Neither the T580 or T585 contain this hardware.