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[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] porscheoscar:
Who says market share determines product value? Your rationale is nonsensical. The V20 uses top line 800 series processor. Uses the latest Android OS with only an incremental separation to the Pixel's 7.1. The V20 uses a 5.7" QHD LCD with one of the highest nits available. Even the iPhone 7 doesn't have an QHD LCD like the V20. The V20 uses a Sabre Quad DAC which as a stand alone device would run you at least $200 so your "overpriced" argument is rubbished right there because the V20 does not charge a premium for any of its premium audio recording and analog hardware relative to other flagship phones that offer none of this. The V20 offers a secondary display which is an additional expense and comes with 64GB of internal storage for the price of 32GB S7 or iPhone 7. You have a wide angle lense, and full manual photo and video controls not available on any other flagship. I'm curious to hear what single component of the V20 would be considered "low end".

The idea that the V20 is "overpriced" makes sense as long as you believe premium hardware grows on trees.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] thlinks:
Only complaint i have is my lg didnt perform well when it fell in the toilet..
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] evo4g63t:
Ok well your reply wasn't constructive at all you can't explain how the LG v20 is a "low end" phone because it isnt.

I can deal with constructive criticism that's not a problem what I don't like is people who act like their opinions override facts.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pjs187:
I've always had note phones before this V20, this is my first LG anything actually, and for what lt's worth this is the best phone I've ever had way less lag and bloat than samsung, better battery life, picture quality, and definitely better audio output, the only thing my note 4 had that I miss is the OLED screen but small price to pay for a much better overall experience.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] dakunclear:
I get random bits of lag but the camera is fine and if I'm taking night shots I don't expect much out of any camera from any phone so I will end up using my actual camera for that. The battery life is good and overall I love this phone. I rarely have issues with light bleed and LG is fairly quick with updates for the phones now, heck my LG GPAD III 8.0 tablet which is the LG GPAD X 8.0 for US users got android 7.0 a few weeks ago......they beat Samsung phones for updates on their tablets like to me that screams impressive.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] Dark Jedi:
To call this phone trash is an overstatement. There is no lag on my end running apps. The only issue in lag I have is when I open gallery or try to post a pic from there to FB. I am sure it's because my micro SD card is so old. How old? Came from when I bought it to use in my HTC thunderbolt lol. Camera quality bad? Get off of auto mode and learn manual mode. The difference is night and day. I have a Nikon DSLR camera and if I shoot in auto mode the pics are never as good as manual mode. The V20 users has proven the camera is good. So if you're getting poor pictures then I say operator error.

Beings the OP has bad lag and is rooted. Then it's the ROM he is using. I have had many rooted phones where I seen a ROM run great when first installed. Then over time became a lag machine. The screen can be boring as I came from a note 7.

In the end the OP is chasing a dream of the perfect phone. Just by looking at all the phones he has owned in the past. If he truly loved the stock vanilla Android. Then he would of never left it. I am sure he found issues with Google Android phones. Why else would he leave them. Don't trash a phone because you have expectations that can never be filled.

Is the V20 the best phone? Of course not. It is a good phone and everything works well and operates smoothly.

Good luck in your Grail quest.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] evo4g63t:
That was part of the reason why some manufacturers have removed the external memory support, performance inconsistency because in most cases the internal memory is much faster than the external one.

Using a slow sdcard and installing apps on it is a great way to get poor performance. I've got a class 10 and while performance is pretty smooth it is noticeably slower than the internal memory.

V20 is a solid phone and I give LG props for thinking outside the box instead of copying other companies which is what Apple and Samsung seem to do.

I mean name another phone that features a second screen, removable battery, has a HQ DAC, meets MIL-STD820 (?) Drop and shock certification. These are all features that cannot be found on other phones.

If it weren't for the boot loop issue that has appeared on the G4 and V10 LG would be right up there with Samsung and Apple in my opinion.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] tonyevo52:
Late to the conversation, but I agree, this phone is not what I thought it was going to be, cool phone, but I'm all about Samsung phones and this one doesn't even compare to be honest... Can't wait for the S8 to come out, this phone is gone first chance.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] kcsevo:
Oh dam! Nice

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+1 on Samsung and Apple copying
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] porscheoscar:
I used the V10 and V20 so heavily without ever encountering the boot loop issue that I'm convinced it was an assembly line issue on certain batches at a certain facility. It could not have been an LG software issue otherwise the issue would have been far worse. My Samsung Note was hands down the most reliable Android device given the heavy usage but the LG V10 and V20 have surpassed it simply because I don't have TouchWiz to deal with no matter how much they've cut down on it. It's obvious to me that LG have decided on keeping Nougat largely unhindered. Meanwhile Samsung They really should make TouchWiz an option so that their own customers can reality check them when only 1% opt to keep it.

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Samsung was my favorite brand until they screwed us with the Note 5. Then the battery issues first on the edge phones then the total collapse of the Note 7 and the manner in which they handled it completely destroyed my confidence in their brand. I even decided not to buy one of their TVs this past black Friday opting instead for a Sony. It's like Samsung have been to unpredictable without warning they got rid of the Note 4 removable battery and SD card. They bring it back and who knows if it's here to stay or if they decide to copy Google and Apple again. Are they removing the headphone jack and screw over audiophiles. Will the battery issue happen again? Did they make other huge blunders in trying to rush out a new flagship to make up for the Note 7? Personally I'm glad the V20 has been such a power user phone because now I can wait and see how the Samsung phones will pan out over the next year. The V20 is easily a two year phone.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] evo4g63t:
Without completely derailing the thread when was your v10 manufactured? Seems like the biggest failures are ones manufactured in 2015. Mine was November and it just happened a week ago with no warning the phone wasn't even hot. Despite dozens of time using "battery waster" which wastes battery by maxing out the CPU which got the phone hot to the touch.

LG hasn't even acknowledged the v10 and didn't even acknowledge the boot loop problem on the g4 until Jan 2016. So I am guessing this manufacturing error was remedied after the acknowledgement so newer v10s are probably safe.

As far as Samsung goes it's funny how people mistrust the company now when the fact is this note 7 fiasco that happened will actually make the company much more reliable and safe in the future. After all they now have an advanced battery testing facility that no other company has meaning they are far less likely to have a fiasco like that vs the competition.

Problem with Samsung is for better or worse they modify the hell out of android, have a lot of junk on their phones and no longer have removable batteries.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] Mind Absent//:
Not to be off-topic but the design of the room you took a picture of is awesome. I need you to design my room right now ?
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] Success100:
I hate to say but..Same here. Came from a note 7. That phone just does..Well... EVERYTHING better
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] kcsevo:
I definitely agree. Their phones feels really premium. But I've fell in love with LG. LG UI is better than Samsung. I like the ability to use my fingers to swipe in between tabs, on board nav (no more home button). Give LG time they will catch up or surpass samsung one day. I feel they listen to the consumer more. Just my take.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] nizmoz15:
I have the V20, and a Samsung 256gb memory card. It is by no means a slow card. But when I was copying my photos to it over USB 3.0 to USB C. it was extremely slow. Would take hours. When I removed the sdcard and put it into my USB 3.0 SDCARD dock, it went lightning fast and was done in minutes. That tells me the phone is slow with SDcards.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] evo4g63t:
Yeah it's the biggest reason for why some phones have dropped the support. I notice the phone runs great without hiccup on programs that don't use the sdcard but when I fire up Spotify it lags from what I assume is loading my downloaded music/playlists. It runs the about as well as my v10 so I assume it's related to storage since the v20 is literally rated 3 times faster than the v10 in benchmarks.

It's a class 10 too which is supposed to be suitable for hd content. I am tempted to pay top dollar for a class 30 or 60 see if that makes an impact.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] Success100:
I'm giving it a fair chance. Now that I haven't seen an AMOLED screen in a week, I'm really starting to like this more natural looking screen and I def love the second display. It just so cool.

What's really ruining the experience for me is the audio experience. Everyone loves it. I hate it. And the problem only happens in my car. Over headphones it sounds great.Every other phone sounds great over Bluetooth in my car ESPECIALLY Samsungs. iPhones sound great. iPod sounds great. SD card sounds great. I don't know if there is just some type of incompatibily with uconnect 8.4 in Chrysler's but this phone really sucks over Bluetooth. Static every where. Muddy bass and exaggerated hi's. I even bought a 3.5mm cable to test out the quad DAC in the car and sounds even worse than Bluetooth. It's making me hate the phone, and I'm obviously not going to trade the car in over a phone. Unfortunately, my only choice is to go back to a s7 since I broke my note, or switch to an iPhone which is not even an option...until the g6 or s8 come out. I guess I'm stuck with it for now.

Aside from that. The phone is fast as HELL. I love the second display, the camera is so so and love that it has a IR blaster. The sound experience is ruining it for me tho
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] kcsevo:
Haha, I got a Chrysler also! Bluetooth is fine in the car. But you're right. I was so into amoled until I tried LCD phone. I actually prefer this more also.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] Koont:
Make sure you push the headphone jack all the way in on both ends. I know this happened to me once.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] porscheoscar:
I have a You Tube Red account which allows downloading as much content as I want to the SD card (class 10 Samsung EVO). I'm constantly surprised by how quick the playback is with Nougat right out of the box. I think smoothness is really an app developer issue. Well written apps work well with the SD card. For instance Net Flix downloads and Amazon Instant Video downloads also load up so quickly that I can't tell the difference between internal storage and micro SD.

I have a Bluetooth device TranzitBlu that allows for Bluetooth connection to my old Porsche head unit.

Its still siting in the box almost two years. Lol.

You just can't beat wired soundstage. The Bluetooth sound creates so much compression it sounds like you're in a bubble. Also I have a portable FiiO headphone AMP that I plug into the phone and the Aux jack in the car. I put the head unit on max volume and raise the sound from the FiiO amp knob. Great sound with the V20 DAC on hifi mode.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] evo4g63t:
Unfortunately the DAC can't improve Bluetooth would be awesome if it could but Bluetooth uses digital signaling which works around the digital analog converter.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] Success100:
Right I'm aware of that. Maybe I have a bad unit.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] dakunclear:
I find the Bluetooth over headphones very quite vs plugged in but it works fine in my scion xb
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] Droidforce:
Total bull
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] vanemburghj:
Ok prove me wrong, if what the LG V20 does and is; is so absolutely the greatest ever. How come apple and samsung are not making their own matching capabilities (as you know apple and samsung have no problem stealing other people's ideas and making them their own).

Think this was the article I read, should have saved the link at the time:

http://bgr.com/2017/01/25/lg-earnings-q4-2016-report/

Oct 2016 overall sales numbers from LG's mobile division:

https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/27/l...er-loss-making-quarter-revenue-down-23-y-o-y/

May be dated now that cell phone providers have remotely deactivated the Note 7:

https://www.androidheadlines.com/20...7-still-used-more-than-the-lg-v20-others.html

http://www.greenbot.com/article/315...-galaxy-note7s-still-in-use-than-lg-v20s.html
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] Droidforce:
Your links have nothing to do with your statement.

Incidentally Apple is using twin cameras as well as others since LG made it popular.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] vanemburghj:
Everyone of those links prove my point, fact people where still using their Note 7 with chance it could blow up verses going after the V20. LG is niche and will always be niche. Charging high end prices for niche low end devices will force them out of the cell business. Believe what you want about the v20, however I stand behind my comment that once folks believe the S8 is safe, the used cell phone market will be flooded with used low end v20s.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] AlkaliV2:
I'm positive from reading your comments that you don't know what "low-end" means. The word niche is much more appropriate, but this phone is made with top of the line components and has features other flagships won't or can't implement for one reason or another.

Calling this a low-end phone because very few people own it is like saying most people who bought a Tesla Roadster did so because there was nothing better coming out that year and they'll all sell them when the the new Mercedes drops. Just because it isn't consumed on a massive scale does not make it low end; wording is important. Yes, people will dump this phone after this year for the S8 and then they'll dump the S8 for the Note 8 because technology is forever evolving and people want the latest and greatest. However, that doesn't mean that the Nexus 6 wasn't a pioneer for being the first phone with screen-off Google now or the Moto Z for adding a camera mod to an ultra thin phone. It just means that these innovations get swept into future hardware and software gimmicks that add some arbitrary value to the phone for the consumer. The V20 must have done somewhat well for LG to spend the time and money adding an upgraded Quad DAC to the LG G6 considering they didn't perceive it was worth the expense in the G5. The V20 is MIL-STD impact resistance, can push high impedance (600 ohm) headphones, offers expandable memory, has one of the best low-light cameras on the market, and is one of the easiest phones to take apart and repair (phillips head screws; seriously). Don't even get me started on how much smarter it is to make batteries removable. So even if LG abandons this phone after this month (which they won't) and suspend software upgrades to this device to cut their losses, as long as this community has some level of AOSP implementation we will have a great device on our hands. I don't need the public to care about the v20 for me to perceive its value; most consumers are never any good at perceiving value because we all have an arbitrary standard we follow of what's most important to us. I value mine, I don't actually care if you and the rest of the world don't see it that way and neither should anyone else who loves their v20.

Can this topic stop being at the top of the news and guides forum now? There are way better topics to discuss for people who actually appreciate this device.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] BigMosley:
I just came over from Sprint and took advantage of trading in my s7 edge for a free device on the new unlimited plan. I settled on the s7 edge because of the Note 7 fiasco and really was getting tired of Sammy phones. First I chose the Pixel 5" but the screen was so small and to be honest the phone is pretty boring IMO. At least Samsung phones have some sort of features like Smart Stay that make the phone seem more valuable, while I know some people would call these features as gimmicks.

So I traded in the Pixel 5" for the V20 about 48 hours ago and I love it so far. With the second screen, the wide angle camera, removable battery, IR blaster and SD card slot this phone is awesome. It takes me back to the old days of the Note 3 & 4 which I loved. The V20 has so many customization options it's almost feels like a custom ROM right out the box. I have never owned an LG smartphone but I am starting to believe this could be the start to a very long friendship.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] jinkerz9430:
I dont know what people find on making a thread about disappointment/hatred toward their phones. Here is the thing. If you "hate, dislike, feel disgusted about your phone", then just move on, sell the phone and buy a new one. Trying to persuade the masses is just a plain stupid move and while some people might agree with you, there still countless of different perspectives from others that might like the phone or dislike, for which creating a thread like this is pointless. It is just like what is currently happening with Trump's supporters vs Trump's haters. Trump's haters want him out of the presidency because they claim there was some hacking involved. While Trump's supports argue that there was no hacking whatsoever. But it just doesnt matter what either group says anymore. Because no one can remove Trump from his presidency anymore (unless he is found to not be fulfilling his duty appropriately). SOOOOOOO JUST FREAKING MOVE ON TO ANOTHER PHONE AND STOP BABBLING NONSENSES about " OH YES THE LG V20 SUCKS". The LG v20 section is supposed to be for either: a) People with questions and answers about issues; b) people interested in developments, c) People showing their experience (with a constructive critic instead of trying to degrade the phone), and d) People showing their accessories so that others have future references to what buy and what not to buy. Anything other than that is just (as i previously said), "Plain STUPID" and meaningless.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] Droidforce:
Proves nothing but to yourself. Your original statements about it being a low phone are unfounded and simply your opinion.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] evo4g63t:
I've already owned you, your opinions aren't facts and you have yet to provide any proof that LG is making low end phones. You're nothing more than a typical unintelligent troll.

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I've already owned you, your opinions aren't facts and you have yet to provide any proof that LG is making low end phones. You're nothing more than a typical troll.
[LG V20 Guides, News, & Discussion] elijah420:
hm.

originally I had what amounted to a 1 page rant about how you didnt do your due diligence before you made a purchase. Then I decided to erase it, and simply sum it up thusly:

CAVEAT EMPTOR.

seriously. did you not take a few minutes to play with the phone before you plunked down some bucks on it? UI problems? coulda been figured out, pre purchase (as though the myriad 3rd party launchers cannot deal with this problem for the most part) . camera problems? again, a pre-purchase demo would have most likely brought this to your attention. lag? yet again, that pre purchase opportunity to fiddle with it would have clued you in. screen bleed in the middle of the night? this one maybe not with a demo, but still... its an IPS LCD screen. its not an OLED. comparing granny smith apples to red delicious. both apples, but different. (you directly referenced Sammy's screens in your post, hence my reference back.) a few minutes pre purchase, at one of many review sites would have given you pause, had you researched a hair or two.

You made a bad purchase (per your own opinion), due to your own shortcomings. I fail to see how your anecdotal evidence for your screw up translates to a bad product. For myself and possibly others, this speaks more about you directly, than the phone itself.

This phone does not fit your use case, so it would seem. However, it does fit many many others use cases (theres literally DOZENS of us) and so is an ideal match. Do yourself a favor. Dont equate your bad decision with a bad product. This device is far far from it.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] DarkBeer:
I have the Verizon VS995 LG20 and rooted via DirtySanta a couple weeks ago. I recently have lost root privilege with Titanium Backup. Root on other apps is fine. The issue may be related to changes I made a week ago in trying to get root access for Secure Settings plugin for Tasker. Secure Settings doesn't work with systemless root. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling both the su app and Titanium Backup, but I keep getting the same error:

"Sorry, I could not acquire root privileges. This application will *not* work! Please verify that your ROM is rooted, and try again. This attempt was made using the "/system/bin/su" command." I would appreciate any suggestions in how I can fix this. I would like to make a backup before trying some new roms.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] TheShanMan:
I just ran into this same exact problem. I removed the su files I created in order to get Secure Settings working and Titanium Backup now works. But why did Titanium Backup start having a problem with this all of a sudden and what is the true solution?

Here's what I did to fix Secure Settings from adb shell:

su

mount -o rw,remount /system

touch /system/bin/su /system/xbin/su

mount -o ro,remount /system

So I fixed the problem by just removing the su files. However I want both Secure Settings and Titanium Backup working!!!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] penno2:
I had a similar issue - TB stopped obtaining root after a kernel change - don't know why. I solved it by changing the su 'dummy' file in /system/bin/su (TB was trying to use this) to a symbolic link pointing at the real su:

root@trlte:/su # rm /system/bin/su
root@trlte:/su # ln -s /su/bin/su /system/bin/su

Rebooted and TB and SecureSettings can now use root. :D
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Still_living714:
Not having this problem but TB does force close alot on me. It started when rom toolbox pro deactivated app manager. Maybe TB has something to do with the dev?
[Xiaomi Mi 5 Questions & Answers] dacheftw:
When we flash ROMs, we wipe data, cache, dalvik and system, and than we install the desired ROM.

But what will happen if I go in Advanced -> File Manager and delete everything ( folders such as system, recovery, sys, tmp, sideload, vendor, usb_otg etc.. ) ?

Will I still be able to enter fastboot and flash MIUI using Mi-Flash?