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[Redmi Note 2 General] RicardoMullion:
Oneplus is a good brand, With it's own major factory and hardware RD design, quality is good. also all models use snapdragon cpu. My friend also have a oneplus 3T.

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I think no helio x10 device will get official nougat.

Because Mediatek cut BSP support for 6595, 6732, 6752 and 6795 (x10) already. Currently only p10/x20 afterward are still supporting. But at least update to marshmallow.
[Redmi Note 2 General] vaselor:
[MENTION=5850987]DarthJabba9[/MENTION] What about ZUK Z2? I'd say is the nicest phone at the moment in terms of specs/price. You can get it for ~150€.
[Redmi Note 2 General] DarthJabba9:
I quite liked it. The reason it was not on my list is because of the 5 inch screen. I am a phablet man - so I must have at least a 5.5 inch screen.
[Redmi Note 2 General] vaselor:
Oh, that's true. We'll have to keep searching for the next cat with no tail [emoji14]
[Redmi Note 2 General] gasperoni:
I didn't expect that thread to become a ''let's find an alternative for our crappy phone-thread'' but ok :D before buying the rn2 i was thinking about buying a leagoo elite 1, i think and the rn2. But i didn't know anything about leagoo and thought xiaomi is better known and has good support and a good user community. I was so wrong, except the community, which is much better than xiaomi deserves. But the community can't do much when xiaomi refuses to help them with codes and information. Maybe someone will say ''it's not xiaomi's fault, it's mtk'' and honestly i don't care anymore
[Redmi Note 2 General] DarthJabba9:
Well, we're still on topic, because we are looking forward to see what we will replace our beloved RN2 :mad: with, when eventually (as all devices do) it dies, or when we need to move on. Perhaps there will be a RN2 v2 with SD835 chipset? But, to be honest, I do not think that any other Chinese manufacturer (whether it is UMI, or Doogee, or Cubot, or Leagoo, or Oukitel, or Coolpad, or Blackview, or HomTom, or PPTV, or whatever) could possibly provide us with less firmware upgrade support. You can see that I am doing my tedious homework. :crying:
[Redmi Note 2 General] boris.milic89:
I have had coolpad f1 and there was so many good roms for it,many ports from other phones...unlike rn2...poor support...I won't buy another Xiaomi for sure...so dissapointed right now...also looking for a new phone
[Redmi Note 2 General] DarthJabba9:
Ok how about

Asus ZenFone 3

versus

Motorola Moto G4

versus

Motorola Moto G4 Plus

?
[Redmi Note 2 General] boris.milic89:
I would choose asus
[Redmi Note 2 General] DarthJabba9:
Because of the battery performance?
[Redmi Note 2 General] boris.milic89:
I don't like motorola very much...i would even choose zenfone 2 over motorola...
[Redmi Note 2 General] gasperoni:
I only had one Motorola in my life. It was a Razr i. I liked it, but there was a similar problem with software updates from Jellybean or ICS to KitKat. But after three years it got the update. Unfortunately my phone died in the same week the update was about to come. The phone was ok, but i couldn't root it.

I don't know how Motorola is today after the fusion with Lenovo and I never had an Asus.
[Redmi Note 2 General] jajk:
[MENTION=5850987]DarthJabba9[/MENTION] Motos produced by Lenovo are rubbish. I will sell you my moto G 1st gen with Android 7.1.1:laugh:

Asus quality has really slipped from earlier days but prices haven't.

Zuk2 currently $200 on special seems like a good deal. No good for me since I need different band support. Australian carriers love to mix up the frequency bands required to restrict what phones work on their networks. It allows them to get away with selling previous generation leftovers at inflated prices. Australia - the home of duopolies and the dumping ground for obsolete technologies:(
[Redmi Note 2 General] MikeO89:
I'm petty much a novice when it comes to cellphones, I haven't owned many. Actually my Xiaomi Note 2 was my first "step up" phone from what I previously had (which was not exactly two cans on a string but you get the picture). I live in the US and was led to believe this phone would work in all bands everywhere (shows what I knew). After I learned more about stuff in general and found out this phone had no 4G bands and only 1 3G band that worked in the US, I am now very leary about my next phone because of that alone (especially on a China phone). I see now that stats sellers use are not really accurate in some areas.
[Redmi Note 2 General] DarthJabba9:
No good for me either, because it is not a phablet.

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If you're not a cheapskate like me, then you should probably go with something like OnePlus 3/3T.
[Redmi Note 2 General] MikeO89:
That's the problem, I am a cheapskate. It's why I bought the Note 2 to begin with. Just didn't want to spend more. I can't hang with the big boys who think nothing about spending $400-$600 on a cellphone. I just can't do it.
[Redmi Note 2 General] DarthJabba9:
Then we're the same then! :highfive: The ZTE Nubia Z7 Max has positive reports, apparently has great battery life, and already has the latest Nougat ROMs. It is also available dirt cheap (it is about 2 years old or thereabouts). The Asus Zenfone 3 reportedly has even greater battery life. So I am eyeing those two at the moment. I still need to check the ROM availability for the Asus ...
[Redmi Note 2 General] RicardoMullion:
Xiaomi/Redmi models with snapdragon cpu such as Redmi Note 3 pro , mi note , Redmi Note 4X also have a lot of stable custom ROM

But even they use snapdragon cpu the quality is even worse than ulefone/outikel.

Because of clone parts inside to make powerful snapdragon phone to cheap , but cuts quality.

My another cousin in mainland china have both oneplus 3T and mi 5s

Both are sd 821 cpu but 3T seems faster and without heat

Also 3t use imx298 camera and 5s use imx378

But 3T capture much better than 5s.

I think they use fake cameras even on the flagship Mi series
[Redmi Note 2 General] jajk:
I think that the advertising for China phones tells some truths by

what is not said

. If it is only inferred that the phone has a particular part, then it definitely does not.

It must be clearly stated in a prominent way that the phone has this particular brand and part no lcd screen or camera sensor etc. That is the only time that you can be reasonably sure they are not using fake parts as Samsung and Sony will quickly act against the likes of Xiaomi when they falsely advertise that they use brand name parts. As you see is common practice, manufacturers will say this phone has (for example) an imx298 sensor but fail to disclose a brand or use that brands logo in advertising - 100% guarantee it will be a fake.
[Redmi Note 2 General] amlbuton:
Been using this phone since September 2015 and been used a lot of different roms, from China developer rom, global developer rom, custom rom based on Android 5.1.1 such as mokee and aurora and never satisfied with the battery life, until I'm using RR rom by Bule and so far is the best rom in terms of battery life performance

I'm not a heavy user for gaming, only used the phone for social media and browsing the internet

Sent from my Redmi Note 2

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Totally agree with you, my Redmi 1s still perform better in terms of battery life compared to this Redmi Note 2

Sent from my Redmi Note 2
[Redmi Note 2 General] harizamzi:
other dev now move to kenzo.redmi note 2 look like abandon phone.i think now time to move on.maybe letv le 2 x527..
[Redmi Note 2 General] MikeO89:
Well all said I'm hanging on to mine as long as it continues to work. I got a rom in it that's working fine for me and I'm just not ready yet to fork over cash for a new phone when this one is still doing what I need it to do. I'm going to milk this one as long as I can.
[Redmi Note 2 General] DarthJabba9:
Yes, if it is still usable, then one might as well continue using it. The moral of this is to learn a valuable lesson for the future (ie, to know who to avoid).
[Redmi Note 2 General] MikeO89:
yup
[Redmi Note 2 General] amlbuton:
+1 totally agree with you mate

With the RR rom running on my phone now, I feel much better using this phone

Maybe someday if have more money then will consider to change the phone

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Letv Le 2 using mediatek right? Well for me I will avoid any mediatek chipset in future, will consider to get Qualcomm chipset

*just my 2 cents
[Redmi Note 2 General] DarthJabba9:
Letv Leeco Le 2 X527 uses Snapdragon 652.
[Redmi Note 2 General] Keffr3n:
Sell, sell, sell

My advice: sell your phones before everyone finds out how crappy xiaomi phones are and the price will go down more for the RN2.

I'll get a second hand samsung next time. My sister bought an used S4 and it's way better than my RN2.
[Redmi Note 2 General] amlbuton:
if not mistaken Letv Leeco Le2 have 2 version of processor,

Mediatek MT6797 Helio X20 and Qualcomm MSM8976 Snapdragon 652 based on GSMArena.com

So for the mediatek chipset I will surely avoided it, but it will be different story if using Snapdragon 652 :D
[Redmi Note 2 General] DarthJabba9:
I have not yet seen an Le2

X527

with Mediatek....
[Redmi Note 2 General] DarthJabba9:
And what's the difference between the Leeco Le 2

X527

and the Leeco Le 2

X522

?
[Redmi Note 2 General] harizamzi:
Letv Le 2 have two variant like kenzo and henassy.mediatek x20 and snapdragon 652.for me,no mediatek Soc forever after bad battery experience with reno 2.

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Letv Le 2 x527 is qualcomm snapdragon 652 and Letv Le 2 x522 is mediatek helio x20.
[Redmi Note 2 General] DarthJabba9:
But the Le 2 x522 is described as having a Snapdragon 652 here, and here.
[Redmi Note 2 General] coc014:
Yeah the redmi note 2 was my first xiaomi phone and it was a real piece of sh*t. I won't buy an MTK phone ever again. Let's face it, every xiaomi phone with a qualcomm processor has nougat custom roms... but almost no xiaomi+mtk phones have.

I bought a second-hand xperia z2 after I sold my redmi note 2 and it's better in every way for the same price haha...
[Redmi Note 2 General] RicardoMullion:
Xiaomi phones (especially Redmi series) Most of models are ODM by wingtech / longcheer in China. Not made and design by Xiaomi itself. Only a little models of mi series phone is design by Xiaomi itself. And still made by outsourcing factory

Because Xiaomi doesn't own major factory.

Even redmi phones with Snapdragon cpu they use cheap things on other parts such as screen panel, sensors, cameras, etc to make the phone cheaper. But that will cause quality lower. I think they can cut the cpu/main modules and average all the parts quality and price.

Also mediatek open source mt67xx series for linaro project

But all mtk use rubbish i2c controllers and GPUs. Only main arm cores are powerful.

Helio x30 use deca core A73+A53+A35 triple clusters

Main arm cores are powerful.

But they still use old CCI4xx i2c even snapdragon 6xx use newer CCI5xx i2c.

For GPU part. Helio x30 use a powervr 7xt plus. Real model is powervr gt7400 mp4. Only 4 main clusters.

And powervr GPUs are designed for Apple phone first.

So driver and codec support is bad on Android platform.

Instead ARM owns Mali G71. Which have oss driver and good codec support for Android. Huawei krnin 960 use G71 MP8 and exynos 8895 use G71 mp16/20. And funny that Mali G71 is much cheaper than PVR GPUs. Idk why mtk not to use a cheaper and powerful Mali G71 on helio x30.
[Redmi Note 2 General] gnazio:
This doesn't depends on mediatek, at least not in a so generic way.

I had a JiaYu G4S with MT6582 and the battery life is amazing.

After ~3 years of usage with the original battery, it still can do ~6h over 2d12h with wi-fi on 24/7.
[Redmi Note 2 General] harizamzi:
so what about reno 4x..snapdragon 625?this is good with this price or better Leeco Le 2 x527 with powerfull 4 core a72?please suggest me to decide pro and contra..
[Redmi Note 2 General] DarthJabba9:
For me, I have learnt a very good lesson. My next 500 phones will most certainly

not

be Xiaomi. The long and short of it - Leeco cannot possibly be worse than Xiaomi in terms of component quality and ROM support.

As for "powerful" cpus, how much power do you need to make phone calls, send texts, browse web sites, etc? A double core cpu running at 1.2ghz would do all that and still have plenty of juice left ...
[Redmi Note 2 General] jajk:
[MENTION=7233956]bjsiu0617[/MENTION] Thanks again for the words of wisdom;)

[MENTION=5850987]DarthJabba9[/MENTION] Out of the frying pan, into the fire seems an appropriate thing to say.....
[Redmi Note 2 General] DarthJabba9:
[MENTION=5952980]jajk[/MENTION] Indeed. I really couldn't care less about fast cpus, etc. What is important is component quality and ROM support. My nearly-5-year old Samsung Galaxy SII has got Nougat. Everything still works. My problem is the screen size (4.3 inches) and screen resolution (480*800). Take it to 5.5 inches, 1080p, excellent battery life (i.e., at least 7 hours SOT with zero tweaking), cpu that doesn't heat up as much, and ROMs that are going to be perpetually kept up-to-date (i.e.,

full GPL source code releases

), and I would be more than satisfied. Am I not very easy to please? ;) If you know any such device, then I am all ears!
[Redmi Note 2 General] thewell:
Newbie here ,but it was fairly obvious even to me that the chance of upgrades was negligible ,mainly because of mtk . Like someone previously , due to complaining ,(bought 2 for daughters @ $120 this time last year - no way I'm buying iPhone or similar flagship .Complained I couldn't get out of vendor rom , so was offered partial refund or could buy another@$84 , which I then sold at a hefty profit , after managing to get to xiaomi.eu) So mine only cost about £75 , and at that I can't complain . As far as I am aware ,the camera of rn4 < rn3 < rn2 and a/c daughter#3 rn2 camera is better than iPhone 6s. If you're ok with miui ,I can't see the mileage in bemoaning lack of android updates , because how can you tell? And to be honest , I was never going to find a £75 alternative that would receive android upgrades , so miui update is a good 2nd best . And also from what I can gather custom ROM eg Cyanogen (as was) usually results in some compromise .

Lastly , it's only a gut feeling , but after every weekly beta on xiaomi.eu , there are rarely comments regarding problems from rn2 users , so battery aside, maybe it's not SO bad .
[Redmi Note 2 General] vaselor:
[MENTION=6455387]thewell[/MENTION] Thing is, it costs nothing to be honest and tell the truth about components or at least give full support for a new phone. RN3P had the same price tag as ours and still got 6.0 for example. Moto G was a very nice phone for the dollars and got lots of updates and support (still getting it).

It's not a terrible phone for the price of course, but even getting 5.1 would've been a noticeable upgrade. And of course doing simple things like fixing the autobrightness function.
[Redmi Note 2 General] thewell:
Agreed, but that is probably overlooking the business model. How many Motorolas are there compared to xiaomis? . They obviously see a bigger payback to them in churning out model after model.

Seemingly this is their stumbling block now, xiaomi is not so unique as a company as others have copied them , so it's stuck in a no man's land : plenty of competition in the budget to mid market , but not enough credibility for high end ,or the appropriate model .

By the way, I appreciate I bought cheaply. Had I paid full price when it was released,I might not be so sanguine.
[Redmi Note 2 General] vaselor:
[MENTION=6455387]thewell[/MENTION] Yes, I know it's a oversimplified, but it's made of observing simple things.

For sure, they'll know what's and what's not profitable, but from my POV I'd prefer a phone which can get real upgrades from time to time instead just some placebos and annoying addons.
[Redmi Note 2 General] thewell:
Don't get me wrong ,I am not defending them at all - I'd like the same as everyone else in this thread , it just didn't seem likely to me .
[Redmi Note 2 General] Gnusvol:
I've been using my RN2 for 19 months. The biggest culprit on battery drain in this phone is the tianma screen. Lately I have been using Aurora ROM and modified lenovo BL226 battery. Both of them have breathe new life into my phone with 5 hours SOT and 24 hours uptime on average. So I am content, and expect to use it for another 5 or 6 months.
[Redmi Note 2 General] KURT.Beadles:
What do you mean by "modified lenovo BL226 battery"?

Are you saying that that battery would fit in to the RN2 out of the box or do you need to get your hands dirty?
[Redmi Note 2 General] vaselor:
You have to get your hands dirty and modify that lenovo battery
[Redmi Note 2 General] KURT.Beadles:
Thanks, kind of suspected that.

Not going to do that for this piece of s hit.
[Redmi Note 2 General] vaselor:
I don't think RN2 is such a bad phone. Terrible battery life compared to newer Redmi models, but not so terrible compared with Mi5 or even Galaxys.
[Redmi Note 2 General] KURT.Beadles:
Well it all depends on the meaning of "bad". The only good thing is that it was pretty cheap junk. Obsolete and really the cheapest parts available. Marketing was full of lies about camera and so on. But it's OK for my mother who makes one call a day and never uses neither BT or Wi-Fi and have separate camera. So yeah it's all good if you just use it as a phone with minimal calls per day. But I would choke on the word smartphone if I had to describe it.
[Redmi Note 2 General] vaselor:
Lol yes, it was the cheapest option. But hell, that's what I'd expect from a ~120$ phone.
[Redmi Note 2 General] MikeO89:
Still working for me, junk or not. Every time I whip it out to use it, I don't go, "what a POS". It does what I need. I'm a fairly light cellphone user, I'm not one of those dudes who can't walk twenty feet out of the house without whipping out the cellphone or takes the cellphone into the bathroom with you (you know who you are). Dunno where you get a phone that has and does what this one does for the price (anybody know, tell me I'm all wrong). Not a $400 phone, but $130? Yeah, all day long. Someone looking for a phone in this price isn't going to be expecting a Samsung. I won't be getting a new phone anytime soon. I'll run this sucker into the ground first, especially with all the work I got in it tweaking it (plus I'm a cheap bastard). Sort of like spending all the time tweaking the OS on computer to get it just the way you want it. Not excited about having to do it all over again.
[Redmi Note 2 General] KURT.Beadles:
Mike, good and honest answer. But with your requirements you should have gone for an even cheaper phone because what you paid for it is just a waste of hard earned money.
[Redmi Note 2 General] RicardoMullion:
Redmi Note 2 is not a that bad phone. At least Xiaomi isn't a bad company. But mediatek's hardware is not good on all their platforms phones for all brand. Mtk is cheap but their solution mostly come with a bad GPU and MMC BUS. Such as helio x10, it use 8xA53 which is not bad, around snapdragon 801 level. But they use a PowerVR g6200 which is only dual core 450-550mhz. This GPU us from mid 2012 (same time as Mali 450 and adreno 300 series). It's performance is around snapdragon 400 (adreno 305) level. And mediatek said it use PowerVR series GPU same as iPhone. G6200 is at the entry-level line by the introduce from Imagination Technologies. And the MMC bus is also slow. The eight a53 cores drops because the MMC bus cannot turn fast.

Also their solutions includes wifi/bt and modem combo. The mt6630 is a 1x1 433m abgn+ac combo.

It is bad. Always drop signal and overheating. It includes modem also, during the bad design, modem is easily physical damaged. My rn2 burns out the modem partly after I changed screen. But the wifi/bt controlled by the same chip is normal.

I just use helio x10 as example. Other all mtk chips have these problems differently.

Mtk offers the solutions source code, but most of the phone makers cannot release the 2nd modifyed source easily. Because the solutions source includes a lot of prebuilt blobs which is violating GPL. So the phone makers need to talk with mtk and FSF for offering modifyed source.

Luckily Mediatek finally know they do what before which is fxxking, they confirmed give up helio p35 and other new helio chips and only produce very little helio x30 for meizu and vernee. I think they are giving up the Helio line and only make non-helio for white brand China and India phones. And mediatek now are working hard on router opener chips with full source without prebuilt blobs which is violating GPL. They maybe deperate phone arm soc later and put their heart to other iot such as router and networking.
[Redmi Note 2 General] KURT.Beadles:
Hi, I never said Xiaomi is a bad company. I just pointed out that RN2 is cheap junk. That's why they released RN3 so quickly. Like two months after the release of RN2. The had learned a hard lesson with releasing that junk and wanted to correct it quickly with the release of RN3. RN2 never ever got even one system update because you couldn't update the junk parts they put in to it. They even lied about about the parts in the phones like the camera which they later backed from. It is a junk phone and should have cost half the price considering the parts in it. The sold that phone with a large profit and later released RN3. So I still think it's an overpriced phone with junk parts. They should have sold it for $80, then I would call it a reasonable phone for that price.
[Redmi Note 2 General] RicardoMullion:
Yes, I think I will buy a Redmi Note 5 later.

It still not released now. It will use snapdragon 630/660 processor. And a 12mp imx378/ov12890 camera. Also 5.5" 1080p oled display.

NFC , fast charge and type-c port.

4150mah battery

3+32 and 4+64/128 and also microsd slot.

3.5mm is still available, unlike mi6

And redmi Note 2 got miui update and fixes

But never for Android.
[Redmi Note 2 General] MikeO89:
It was not a waste of money for me. I've had this phone for almost two years and it's still going strong. Anything but a waste of money. Skara, you seem to think everyone who bought this phone wasted their money. Just not the case for everyone. Not everyone hates this phone as much as you dude.
[Redmi Note 2 General] KURT.Beadles:
Ok. Sorry you're right. Let me put it differently. Now that we know what kind of parts and components this phone have (there's a Chinese guy on this forum that took the phone apart bit by bit and checked every single part it has inside) it was the cheapest available. So compared to other phones it was enormously over priced. That's only a fact not what I think. That's why they released RN3 quickly after. Not that more expensive either.

Just for your knowledge my mother uses it, she's 67, and is very, very happy with it. But then she's not using Wi-Fi, BT or whatnot. She has also s separate camera and not the junk that is in RN2. So she makes two to three calls a day and it works great for her.

Please don't mention that it had updates. It was MIUI updates. And yeah if you care that you can change the icon for an app with MIUI go ahead and call it an update. N

I have had five to six Chinese phones and this is the only one that NEVER got an update.
[Redmi Note 2 General] vaselor:
[MENTION=4787966]KURT.Beadles[/MENTION] Which Chinese brand would you recommend? RN2 is my first Chinese phone.