yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] superchilpil:
The whole problem with what this thread has become is everyone is discussing why he won't release it to anyone but Devs. Be it legit or not he has every right not to release it since he put the effort to find it.

You guys are like a whole bunch of school kids pressuring another kid to smoke. Pretty low when I'm pretty sure there are some adults amongst you.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] aholeinthewor1d:
I think it's more discussion about If its real or not and then also some pressure to prove it that's all.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
I figure it like this, if its real let a dev be the one to break the news. Maybe not the procedures themselves but the possibility and a path forward can be determined later.

People coming in here with no Moderator, Contributor, or Developer next to their names calling troll and demanding proof need to pump their breaks. No one owes you a thing.

This isn't kangaroo court, let the mods do their job. Put out your torches, calm your pitch forks down.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] jjayzx:
The thing is they don't have to prove it to anyone. The person asked for certain people to contact him about it and that's it. But then all this attention gets attracted in what looks like the entrance to Walmart on Black Friday. I know the thread isn't inundated but his inbox probably is. This is also what is driving people away from here because people just want want want. I know there is plenty of respectful and helpful people on here but due to popularity of XDA now we get a lot of the "want it now" crowd. So just be respectful to the person and they will answer when they can and if they want to, they have their life to attend to first.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] disconnecktie:
The fee for HTC unlocks is because it helps them recover the money spent on bricked devices. It's pretty much impossible for them to find an exploit on some devices without them bricking.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] loonix:
The OP should get his money back for all the scamming and pain he has had to endure.

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[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] superchilpil:
It's less a discussion and more flaming/bashing said user because he refuses to release to someone who is not a dev.

You wouldn't pressure a dev to release a ROM so why pressure someone to release an exploit that wants to keep the user base small.

That's how good developers and major contributors get driven off. You guys have no right to have a sense of entitlement. They put in their hard work only to have ignorant users demand that things go their way.

What would make this a proper thread would be to just bring the information available to our developers so that they could test said exploit. If it was legit or not would come to light.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
This is actually an Htc device and has some Htc software. Yes some of the fees do go to bricked devices but I do believe many of the bricked devices do eventually get repaired at some point and go back in to the whole process again. But a lot of it also goes to pay wages and expenses as people that work on finding exploits have to earn a living of course and cant live for free.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] loonix:
You can't be serious? Are you saying these guys have a life and they don't owe us anything? ;)

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[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
Yes unfortunately lol. But we did get free depixel8 so not only the air is free in this world :D This whole bootloader issue just makes me miss my Htc 10 it just was not big enough for me.

Hopefully Htc comes out with a Htc 11 plus google play edition with a 5.7 screen with dual front facing boomsound speakers, sd card slot, ois, and an 835 processor, all this with system and security updates being with in a week of google releasing them lol yeah ok maybe with in 2 weeks ;) lol.

Oh and add a headphone jack so everyone will be happy :)
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] beavis9k:
When my pixel finally arrives and if Verizon has updated it to 7.1.1, I'd like to take a look. I'll post again or send a PM then.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] blueyes:
First thing is to call bulls**t. Sounds really shady, why not share this openly? I've gladly shared hacks I've found and I know [MENTION=4395895]BeansTown106[/MENTION] has shared more than most.

I've done extensive research on this and there's no easy way. Period. I managed to unlock my bootloader prior to drpixel8 with several dirtycow exploits, temp root, modifying files. Things that could of easily turned this pixel XL into an overpriced paperweight. This phone may be built by HTC, but it is not a HTC. No hboot, no fastboot writecid, etc.

Every clean install will wipe any mods. It's all hard coded. CID, MEI, and there's even a VZWMEI. Won't go so far and say it's impossible. I believe it is, but won't happen on a stock unrooted phone.

It may be possible if done from the device configs with some persists while building. Beans can probably throw a valid opinion on this.

But at that point it's merely cosmetic as you'd need to be unlocked and rooted to install the ROM.

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I have to agree yet disagree. It's a contracted build by HTC. There are certain aspects of it that hold the HTC brand (several of which are insignificant), aside from the serial number. Lol Which is to be expected since it was manufactured by HTC. Just as you've either got Samsung or Toshiba parts included. It's done like millions of other electronics, and most consumer goods. Missing some key HTC attributes... Hboot, writecid or write anything for the matter.

Nice phone, but sometimes I think about tossing the ole sim back in angler.

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I have to agree yet disagree. It's a contracted build by HTC. There are certain aspects of it that hold the HTC brand (several of which are insignificant), aside from the serial number. Lol Which is to be expected since it was manufactured by HTC. Just as you've either got Samsung or Toshiba parts included. It's done like millions of other electronics, and most consumer goods. Missing some key HTC attributes... Hboot, writecid or write anything for the matter.

Nice phone, but sometimes I think about tossing the ole sim back in angler.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] blueyes:
I'm jcase, and I only help 1%?

Lets see, we released the first and only public pixel unlock for FREE, despite people like you complaining the entire time we worked on it.

We released 2 other pixel bootloader exploits, for free. That people can use in their unlock chains.

We continue to release free and/or open source exploits for android (MORE THAN ANYONE else, period).

We release free training material, what others charge $2-5k per person for.

We release technical details of how our ONE SINGLE commercial product works, so others can recreate it for free (who does that? Not some greedy ass who is only out to help the 1%).

We donated over $10,000 to Special Olympics and make a wish foundation LAST YEAR ALONE from our efforts in helping secure carriers and phones (Google PR is doing a piece on us in the coming weeks). I guess if it was about the money, we could have kept the rewards Google and AT&T gave us for helping keep people like you safe.

If I want to sit on a exploit once in a while, until the time to use it is proper, I will.

Ignorant jackass.

Quote from the reddit post from jcase
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] aholeinthewor1d:
Not sure how this relates? This was a response to a comment that someone made about him. The comment wasn't made by the person claiming to be able to unlock the bootloader. Him and jcase actually talked via PM from my understanding.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] blueyes:
Just noticing your comment/quote. Thanks for the clarification, although I'm not sure what your clarifying. At no point did I say how jcase felt , or the status of the two guys relationship. It's not really something I care about to be honest. I merely looked at the reddit post linked in the OP and found his comment a bit entertaining. Who he was directing it to was irrelevant to me .. A quote I would of never seen had the link not of been posted in this threads op. That's how I related it.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
I think it was confusing because there wasn't much context in your post. Like a lead in that said this is what jcase said on reddit or maybe putting it in quotation tags
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dpalmer76:
So this info was just a mirage?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] lucky_strike33:
He probably got a verizon phone from a 3rd party that was already unlocked???
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] duniecool:
Did anything ever come from this rumor or did it indeed turn out to be a troll.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
Wasn't a troll but not a feasible option.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] gumbi2400:
I'm still curious what it actually was. Any chance it can be shared publicly now?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
You could try and message the guy
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Mike10705:
Although it goes without saying, I cannot believe Verizon's outright stupidity with this locked bootloader nonsense. It just makes educated customers not want to buy their phones or use their service. This idiotic company has forced Google to create entire separate factory image because of this???? What?? Gtfo Verizon
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
I think you are over stating the number of users that root.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] TonikJDK:
There is not a separate image for VZ, its the same on both.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
Honestly I believe it costs them more to find ways to lock down bootloaders then to leave them unlockable. You would think they might ease up a bit on it since people are no longer getting subsidized phones so your paying retail price for the phones and getting locked down too. It would be nice if the gov would side with buyers and require verizon to unlock the bootloaders of phones that people have at least bought out right and paid for them owing no money on them. They did come up with a deal the fcc that is I believe it was that got verizon to make their phones unlocked as far as sim goes to be able to use another carriers sim even though they always left a horrible nag on your phone that you were using a non verizon sim.

And verizon even went as far as locking out setting to be able to add apn setting for other USA carriers starting in android 6.0 but there were foreign country apn's so people could use sims in others countries just not other ones here in the USA so to use other USA carriers you needed to unlock with the sunshine app and get s-off then you could root and manually add other USA apn's more than just having USA apn's that were for verizon.

Verizon is the worst of them in the USA as At&T, Tmobile and Sprint all allow bootloader unlocking such as if you buy an Htc phone they all allow Htc dev to unlock your bootloader for you verizon is the only one of the four that does not allow bootloader unlocking.

Heck even the Ceo of Tmobile pressed for one phone maker to allow bootloader unlocking for purchasers which I think it was samsung because it was locked down by the manufacturer and was not carrier requested.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
I don't think a tweet saying something along the lines of, our people will talk to their people counts as pushing back. After that they released a few other locked phones.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
He still did acknowledge it, that is more than verizon has ever done, as verizon would never even do that. Tmobile did allow bootloader unlocking on the Htc 10 while they sold it so most likely it was the manufacturers that did that of their wants and needs unless Tmobile changed their policy on bootloader unlocking which I doubt they did.

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100% correct, they stopped having separate images for google versions and verizon versions what maybe a couple security updates ago ?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] TonikJDK:
Don't believe there ever was a VZ image. The other images were for European carriers that have some special MMS issues.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
In October there were 3 one was supposed to be Google, another was verizon and the 3rd was for European countries they we're H , L and P
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
Totally agree. I believe at this point the "educated" user is not unlocking the device nor are they rooting. There are only a couple of roms out there and a couple of kernels. Security is of paramount importance to a lot of folks these days with all the hacking and taking over of devices remotely. That's why Verizon locked the bootloader, not because they are meanies. They want corporations and government to be able to buy the Pixels on their network and not have to explain why a bank account got cleaned out or an email was compromised because some jackass rooted their device and installed a back door unknowingly.

So there are options for the user that wants to take those risks. Buy a Google device and run it on their network. Unlock and root all you want but then they are not responsible. I don't understand why people castigate Verizon when they have the option to get the exact same device and run it the exact same way. It's simple, you want to unlock don't buy a Verizon device. How hard is that to comprehend? Now if they didn't allow carrier unlock then it's a violation of regulations but not bootloader unlock.

The other option is go to another carrier if they need a carrier specific device. Not sure why they would but they can certainly find another carrier, albeit not convenient for some with limited coverage and contracts. Then simply chose option 1 since the cost is the same. There will be no bootloader unlock for Verizon devices going forward so make your purchase decisions based on that assumption.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
Actually there are at least 7 if not more custom roms and more coming as I just saw another main dev posting that he will be building a custom rom most likely soon as he had his device replaced with one on 7.1.1 and looking for another.

And there are at least 5 custom kernels posted which really how many does one need when these are all top well known kernels such as Elemental x, Sharkey and Frankokernel just for starters.

And there are a lot more non corporate buyers out there than corporate ones.

They could use a service like Htc dev for example and only allow devices that are not corporate phones to be bootloader unlocked or they could unlock at customer service level so they do not have to lock everyone out just for corporate users and their cs could see hey this is a corporate account and phone sorry we cant unlock your bootloader for you without a letter of exemption from your ceo.

They being verizon just for their own personal gain reasons also do not want phone bootloaders unlocked.

If this was all such a big deal to them then why allow google versions on their network ? Because they can easily be bootloader unlocked, so that whole thing goes out the door because verizon could allow bootloader unlocking at cs level and refuse to bootloader unlock corporate phones.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
What personal gain are you talking about? Why not just buy a Google phone if you want to unlock? Add up the users that root a Verizon device and compare it to those individuals, corporations, and government contracts that keep the phone​ locked and you are a spit in the ocean. They have a corporate policy and if you don't like it then go somewhere else. It's really that simple.

As for getting a letter from a CEO, you're kidding right? Just buy a Google phone and forget this already.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
Uh well for starters charging for how you use the data you pay for being their extra charge for wifi tethering and anything else they can charge you for that unlocking your bootloader you can have for free. The root users was not in the comparison, the comparison was non corporate users vs corporate users with corporate users being used as an excuse not to allow bootloader unlocking but as I listed they could only allow the unlocking of bootloaders on non corporate users..

And that was an example because yes no corporate users should be allowed to unlock the bootloader on a corporate phone as ie its corporate account owned. So why try to make a joke out of everything. As everything I have listed are valid points just because you dont agree with them is no excuse to try to make a joke out of it.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
Lots of woulda coulda shoulda but numbers don't lie.

You can't talk about the amount of people that want BL unlockable phones in an Android "enthusiast " vacuum.

If locked down BL was an issue then why does Verizon continue to grow, why has every other carrier went on to sell unlockable phones and turned a profit.

It's hard to see a point when you wanna attack Verizon while they are doing what every other carrier does.

No one is on your side and only a few phone manufacturers give a damn (Sony and HTC)

The way I feel about it, if you are that privileged in life that a locked bootloader is that distressing then your income can easily make it a none issue.

The majority of consumers don't give a damn though.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
Yes numbers dont lie such as verizon losing customers to tmobile.

And also Warren Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway Inc. sold off the majority of its Verizon shares last quarter, so that was a big hit to them also.

Verizon may still be in 1st place in market share they are slowing losing ground and they are becoming nothing more than a follower that is after months of stock prices going down before they chose to compete like they did recently by bringing back unlimited data as they had to, to compete with the others.

If people wanting bootloaders unlocked is your so called " Android "enthusiast " vacuum " then why does google sell a version that is bootloader unlockable ?

Answer is verizon is losing market share and slowly losing its place at the top.

No they are not doing what other carriers do. At&t, Tmobile and sprint all allow bootloader unlocking verizon is the only one of the four that does not.

No one is on my side oh really then why does At&t, Tmobile, and sprint all allow bootloader unlocking that they do means they are on my side after all they allow it.

Who are you to try to judge people weather peoples income should dictate if they can have an unlocked bootloader that is just a load of bs.

Maybe most dont care but many also do and if you pay for a device unsubsidized then its yours and not theirs so you should be able to unlock your own property.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
I really don't think you understand how carriers handle bootloaders. Especially when you are touting the openess of att.

I see the confirmation bias is thick. I'll pass on this one.

You keep up the good fight of spreading how open and consumer friendly att is, :D :good: ;)
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
Your the one that responded to my posts praising verizon trying to support them saying the others do the same when they clearly do not when it comes to bootloaders being locked down and refusing to allow an unlock.

There is no bias its all on the facts that I listed its a matter of fact that verizon is the only one to not allow bootloader unlocks.

At least they allow bootloader unlocking I"am not saying they are much better but at least they allow it.

Oh and by the way here is a link to that report actually they list verizon stock prices went from $175.39 all the way down to $49.47 granted that was about a month ago being Feb 16th 2017 and from Bloomburg.com So yes verizon is losing ground to the competition mainly being Tmobile probably for the most part which oh yeah Tmobile and the others do allow bootloader unlocking.

https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2017-02-16/warren-buffett-places-verizon-on-hold

Ok so then we can both agree to disagree but as the facts are you replied to my post and it was not me responding to yours and I did not seek out a confrontation with you.:D:good::rolleyes:
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] SynisterWolf:
Thread cleaned

You guys were doing so well with the healthy discussion and then it turned into a name calling event. Remember that we all dont share the same opinions and sometimes we will disagree but we need to stay respectful of others while posting on this thread. Lets keep the flaming and hateful comments off this site.

Thanks everyone

Wolf
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
Ok, I'll try this again. Your analysis of Verizon stock prices are way way off. Please review the link you posted to Bloomberg. You quote a Berskshire Hathaway price as being a Verizon stock price. Beside the fact that unlocking a bootloader, which after all this is what the discussion is about, for a few power users would certainly not give Verizon more market share in the slightest.

Your arguments ring hollow because you can get a Google device for the exact same price, with the same updates, and same everything that you can unlock if you so desire. Why denigrate a service provider because they chose their company model that helps protect probably 99.99% of their users security wise?

Think about it for a sec. If they allowed you magically to unlock the bootloader today how big of a collective yawn would greet the news? In fact the stock might drop because the corporations who buy thousands of devices at once, and yearly, might balk at the security risks. But the XDA community would rejoice? I even doubt that.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
It was all right there black and white plain as day.

You both made this all about Verizon and how Verizon was not going to lose anything by how they lock everything down well that proves it's not going quite so well for them. You and your pal which both of you always back each other up and you both have probably thanked each other dozens of times ever since you became thanking pals lol.

It's not the same price many get discounts from Verizon over Google so your philosophy is flawed there and has no merit. Once again this was all about Verizon's tactics and you both just want to praise Verizon as if they are the bees knees.

Who cares what kind of news it would make omg that is just pathetic. That all is just a load of crap because all we xda users care about as far as Verizon goes is how Verizon wants to lock us down and charge as many fees as they can to them they do not care one bit until it hurt their wallet.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
Those numbers you misquoted were written as plain as day yet you cannot even acknowledge the glaring mistake you made.

A very least acknowledge that, but no. It's going to turn into some long winded post about nothing.

I tip my tinhat to you kind sir.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
This was all about Verizon and how you claimed they we're all the same which you won't admit the mistake you made when Verizon was the only one to not allow bootloader unlocking.

Your started this as you just love to nit pick peoples post as you can't respect anyone's opinions but your owns or your pals that you all keep thanking each other patting each other on the back.

HAVE A GOOD DAY.