yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] zarGon:
Okay, I have decided to format /data to EXT4.

- In TWRP, I used Wipe -> Advanced Wipe -> selected Data partition and clicked on 'Repair of Change File System' -> Change File System -> EXT4.

My /data partition is now EXT4 (i/o F2FS).

I then restarted the phone, Android booted.

To install SuperSU, I did:

1) Phone off -> Fasboot -> TWRP -> adb push SuperSU_SystemMode (post 1)

---> Installed zip within TWRP

---> Bootloop

---> unSU, then tried again, see 2

2) SuperSU from post 2 (with .supersu)

---> Phone off -> Fastboot -> TWRP -> adb push dot.supersu /data/.supersu

---> Selected ADB Sideload in TWRP

---> adb sideload SuperSU.zip

---> Bootloop

--> unSU

What am I missing?
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] noone1982:
ok... no more bootloop... I reflashed boot and system partitions, re-formatted data partition to ext4 and installed latest version of superSU...

This time all went smoothly... guess i had something wrong the first time... thank you celoxocis and maxysoft!!!
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] maxysoft:
You had some su files into system and/or a patched boot for this the phone won't boot. The best was to reflash system and boot ;)

Inviato dal mio Lenovo P2a42 utilizzando Tapatalk
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] zarGon:
1) Formatted /data back to F2FS (from ext4)

2) Downloaded the package provided in post #119. (P2a42_S048_161111_ROW_fastboot.7z)

3) Flashed the following in fastboot: boot.img + system (all 12 of the systemchunk.img files)

(Using flash-all.bat did not work, resulted in error. Do not remember the exact error, it was something like: 'do not allow to flash bootloader on unlock device'.

4) What now? Could you tell me the necessary steps?

When I boot in recovery, TWRP asks me if it should make changes to /system. I choose yes; this is correct, right?
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] maxysoft:
Yes but not necessary. Convert the /data into ext4, do a normal wipe and flash the latest supersu v2.79
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dablju09:
Can someone provide a solution? Same problems as above - I have tried every way to root and still bootloop

Also I could not use flashall script - same error "Do not allow to flash Bootloader image on Unlock device"

Tried to flash system and boot, then in recovery changed partition to ext4, restart the device, tried almost all versions of SupeSU - still bootloop.

Tried to flash from adb - seems to work, but device still not rooted. What am I doing wrong?

Maybe the reason is previously I have ROM p2a42_S033_161122_TMO, could it be related with that?
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] maxysoft:
I don't know if the russian verssion is different from the tmo one but I think they have different kernels. Haven't you made a nandroid backup? If you flash only the system and boot with fastboot the phone boot normally?
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dablju09:
Unfortunately no, but it was not necessary since I have updated to S048. ROM works fine, problems occur when I tried to root.
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] zarGon:
SuperSU 2.79 SR3 from the developer's website? This: https://download.chainfire.eu/1021/SuperSU/SR3-SuperSU-v2.79-SR3-20170114223742.zip?

How did you flash the SuperSU?

- adb push to phone and install zip within TWRP?

- adb sideload?

- do you wipe cache or dalvik cache?

Thank you!

---

This is what I get after sideloading SuperSU 2.79 SR3:

Phone powers off, with blue led/notification light...
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] ilmervanhattem:
Got problem when I'm trying to restore the original data (copy to internal storage (ext4):

[IMG="****"]https://tweakers.net/ext/f/mfTC6NPnNPMi692oxjFMclOo/full.png[/IMG]

---------- Post added at 23:51 ---------- Previous post was at 23:34 ----------

I got this problem when copying backup files from computer to device (twrp). Guess the problem is the filesystem of the internal storage is bad, but can't change it...
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] maxysoft:
@dablju09 @zarGon I've used this version of supersu and works without any problem. I've tried to root 3 times (restore nandroid of course) to be sure it works. Just restore your stock system and boot then copy the zip into the internal memory or sd and flash it. Of course you have to convert /data into ext4
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] zarGon:
Why don't you restore using TWRP?

---------- Post added at 12:18 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:06 AM ----------

Argh...

When I run your zip, it installs with in 2 parts:

1) SuperSU installer: installs all ok

2) boot image patcher: tries to backup and patch bootloader: fails, phone powers of and blue notification light is on.

---> it fails at "flashing boot image"

I think the reason of this is also why flash-all.bat (S048 zip) does not work

Hmpf.
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] ilmervanhattem:
Device all partitions on ext4, fresh install and supersu rooted!! :)
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] maxysoft:
Backup and patch boot not the bootloader (O.o). The blue led means something is missing/broken. Try to format only /data and flash again the zip. Can you post a screen or the recovery log after the zip installation?
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] ilmervanhattem:
Worked Superb

---------- Post added at 00:44 ---------- Previous post was at 00:42 ----------

I tried but it did not work because of ext4 I guess. Anymore questions? :good:
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] zarGon:
Phone shuts down, so I only have the logs after going back into TWRP after booting it again.

recovery.log: http://pastebin.com/XsYCUgEN

dmesg.log: http://pastebin.com/XsYCUgEN

Thank you for looking into this :)
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] ilmervanhattem:
Can you flash TWRP to BOOT using the apk? Or will it result in errors?

And SuperSU, can it be updated using the apk?
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] maxysoft:
The link of the recovery log is wrong. I'll look at them tomorrow cause is really late. Can you try to do what I wrote above? I've also had some problems with the /data partition

Inviato dal mio Lenovo P2a42 utilizzando Tapatalk
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] zarGon:
Correct links:

recovery.log: http://pastebin.com/snkuK9DY

dmesg.log: http://pastebin.com/XsYCUgEN

To make sure that I started clean, I have flashed boot.img + system.img (chunk0-12). After this, I boot into TWRP using fastboot. In TWRP, I have changed file system of /data to EXT4 using advanced wipe.

Then, I restarted the phone, and set it up (just initial setup, so that Android is booted once). After this, I go into recovery and install the SuperSU zip file (2.79 provided by you in post #140). The install starts fine, but as mentioned, at one moment it tries to flash the boot image -> this fails and the phone shuts down...
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] nandakis4:
awesome work :)
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dablju09:
I am just wondering why anyone provide to exact this zip, now I have root without any problems, thanks!
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] celoxocis:
No the device doesn't care if you are running a TMO branded or Stock ROM. Also there is no checking when you fastboot flash if your device has a different ROM or not.
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] celoxocis:
Because those SuperSu.zip's versions where provided by closed beta testers of TWRP.

Once they have been rooted they didn't need to test newer versions.

Why some users fail to root their device using provided steps while others succeed is because they missed some step somewhere.

My guess is they forget to wipe cache before flashing SuperSu in System-Mode.
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] noone1982:
That's what I did exactly if can help someone (I have more steps than the normal procedure because i had messed up something and i was in a bootloop):

downloaded the file at post #119

rebooted pwr + vol down

fastboot flash boot boot.img

fastboot flash system systemchunk0.img ..... all the way to... fastboot flash system systemchunk12.img

changed data partition to ext4

flashed latest superSU taken from their website, throgh "install" function of TWRP
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] zarGon:
I have done it like you (a lot of times), still fails to install SuperSU.

- When I install SuperSU (2.79), the first part install fine, but to work systemless, it also has to patch boot (it says so). When it comes to that point (flashing/patching boot), it fails and the phone shuts down. I don't know why...

I'm almost at the point of giving up for now. :/.

Want to make a video of it, but can't at the moment (at work). Hmpf.
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] noone1982:
I'm no expert at all so i can't help you further... anyway before redoing it all over i had you exact same problem... the installation of superSU caused a block/reboot of the phone... then i did that procedure above... I forgot to mention that the ext4 formatting was done through the 'advanced wipe' of TWRP (official version), and that i did everything without rebooting among each operation...

good luck!
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] celoxocis:
Sounds to me your /data partition is still in F2FS and not converted to EXT4.

That's the only reason why it would fail. The recovery.log would say "Read Only filesystem" because the F2FS version is missing features for loopback device.

Make sure you format /data to EXT4 like dpiaggesi described.
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] The Dutchman:
Will it be possible to unlock the bootloader without Lenovo? So when you need your warranty you can flash everything back to stock, or is this inherently impossible?
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] zarGon:
Guys, finally.

I don't know what I did different this time, but it worked.

Thank you for your efforts! I LOVE YOU!
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] celoxocis:
We don't know where Lenovo writes the "bootloader unlock" flag. As so far no one was able to root the device without using TWRP.

So I would say NO.
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] zarGon:
I remember what I did different:

- flashed official TWRP (had it already, but to make sure)

- fastboot boot TWRP.img (to get into recovery)

- And this is the step I did different: reboot again in recovery through TWRP (Reboot -> Recovery)

- Continue with formatting /data with EXT4 and installing SuperSU
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Dagnelino:
but is possible to unlock device similar to this, and no waiting 15 days?

K6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icMaiZRiugQ
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] noone1982:
Speaking of loopback device... i downloaded the app "Loopback device checker" and it says that the kernel doesn't support it... should i trust it or can i verify in other ways if the kernel supports it?

Thank you
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] celoxocis:
You don't need to verify it...

I build the TWRP kernel for the P2 and TWRP and removed unnecessary modules and features.

I have checked the kernel for loopback device support when using F2FS and it is not supported.

I'm not gone patch it like I already explained pages back and I'm not gone repeat my explanation here again.
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] celoxocis:
No, all the bat file from that video does is this:

adb reboot bootloader
fastboot -i 0x17ef oem device-info
fastboot -i 0x17ef oem unlock-go

Not a real hack at all.

be my guest and try those command on the Lenovo P2.

I'm pretty sure they won't work.
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Dagnelino:
0x17ef is for LENOVO

http://wiki.onakasuita.org/pukiwiki/?55Y9024
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] noone1982:
Thank you for the answer and sorry... i didn't want to bother you... i just didn't understand that... i'm new to all this... so i should need to convert all the partitions to ext and recompile the kernel with the support... am i right?
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] celoxocis:
What why would you want to do that?!

You just have to format the /data partition to EXT4 to make SuperSu in Systemless mode work.

If you think to add the required patch to F2FS for the TWRP kernel that's pretty much useless! As you would have to patch the kernel itself too which is used when the system is up and running.

Which breaks OTA support because you modified the kernel (which is checked by checksum).
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] noone1982:
eheh no i was thinking about patching the kernel used by the system, not the twrp one... and i don't even know if it is possible :) thanks anyway
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Infyrana:
can anyone tell me what should happen after the 14 days since the bootloader unlock request? when i did the request, i got an email from lenovo telling me to wait until i hear from them.. but the 14 days have been over yesterday and ... nothing. do i need to do something else?
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Dagnelino:
have you check if is possible unlock bl with this method?
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] noone1982:
If you go again in the developer menu you should tick again on the unlock bootloader and after the verification it would let you reboot in recovery mode.
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] DwarfDurin:
Tried few times to make SuperSU

Upon entering TWRP (had TMO P2, flashed boot and systemchunkXX img's and TWRP already done) cant make it to work,

adb reboot bootloader

fastboot boot twrp.img

(bootloader) slot-count: not found
(bootloader) slot-suffixes: not found
(bootloader) slot-suffixes: not found
downloading 'boot.img'...
OKAY [ 1.070s]
booting...
OKAY [ 0.479s]
finished. total time: 1.553s

adb push dot.supersu /data/.supersu

adb: error: connect failed: no devices/emulators found

adb devices -l

List of devices attached
- empty line

'adb devices' in system boot returns a device detected

Im using minimal_adb_fastboot_v1.4.2 and Lenovo_USB_Driver_1.1.34 from P2a42_S048_161111_ROW_fastboot package

Detected as Android Device/Lenovo Composite ADB Interface in windows device manager

Iv changed driver usb from dl-ssl.google.com//android/repository/latest_usb_driver_windows.zip

ADB from 15 seconds ADB Installer v1.4.3

same, not detected in TWRP

Iv tried installing SuperSU.zip from SDcard, wiped cache, /data in EXT4

Installing goes fine but after restart bootloop.

recovery.log pasted.co/

dmesg.log pasted.co/

Any ideas?
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] :
probably a silly question but I bought mine from 3 here in uk and build no is P2a42_s056_161130_UK . would TWRP still be compatible or would i brick the phone ?
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] ForgottenDude:
Guys, why no official forum for P2 yet?
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] celoxocis:
I don't know about the TMO version but when you flash stock ROM files. You would better flash the stock ROM file which is responsible for fastboot too. (aboot aka emmc_appsboot).

It looks to me like the TMO branded doesn't support those commands? So make sure you replace that partition too.

Or best of all run the whole flashable.bat and you will be TMO free and pure stock.
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] celoxocis:
As long as you can unlock your bootloader.

TWRP doesn't care if your device runs a TMO or 3 or MARS or ALIEN branded version lol

It's the same device.
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] HaJeeEs:
Try this. Boot phone in TWRP mode, then within TWRP goto boot options in menu, then reboot into recovery again, then try to install the SuperSU zip. As you tried before, it might be necessary to install UnSU.zip first, or start all over with flashing stock system.img first.
[Lenovo P2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] celoxocis:
Please remove the quote of the Opening Thread!

Never ever quote the Opening Thread on XDA.

It just makes the thread cluttered!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] norma98:
Hello.

I install program into my MDA T-mobile, and after reset my smartphone not

loads. It froze on first screen (SPL, IPL, OS). I only can go into loader screen.

I read lot of inet, and i did that..

####

To Dump the ROM:

* Get into the tri-color screen (bootloader) (hold CAMERA, reset) and plug into the USB port.

* Kill wcescomm.exe from Windows XP using the Task Manager (CTRL-ALT-DELETE) (this is the ActiveSync driver for the USB port)

* Start Tera Term

* Hit "return" to ensure you have a command prompt.

* Make sure your 128MB SD card is in the slot.

* Type "r2sd all" and hit return.

####

after taking image and decompiling I got 6 files

04e3d4c0-OS.nb - it's my OS image

80000000-IPL.nb - IPL

80000800-SPL.nb - SPL

800c0800-Splash.nb - SPlash

80100800-GSM.nb - GSM module

0743d4c0-unknown_0743d4c0.nb - here ExtROM as I think.

I can mount it as disk, inside I see some program packeges.

But how to dump my user datas area ?

I found other commands like d2sd, but it's not works on my device, why ?

How to take my importante info from phone, please help me.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 5] WaningGibbous:
My stock nandroid backup is inaccessible on a laptop very far awaybfor the next few months. I may need to restore my phone back to stock here soon, and am having a hell of a hard time finding any stock ROMs or images.

I've tried flashing a stock G900T ROM, but it would just go straight to TWRP on boot

I see the firmware sammobile database page. Does something similar exist for stock ROMs?

I'm on the GPI1 firmware now, and am fine with flashing to something else if need be
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 5] invisiblewave:
sammobile have it, I installed it a few weeks ago.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 5] rlichtefeld:
This is the Stock ROM for the T3, with modems and bootloader:

https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-G900T3/

Use ODIN to flash.

Then flash TWRP, and SuperSU.

Rob
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 5] Mr. Clown:
Your best and reliable option is Sammobile.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 5] thisisapoorusernamechoice:
AFH

I have all the SM-G900T, SM-G900T1, and SM-G900T3 firmware files from sammobile on my android file host. SM-G900T3 stock firmwares: https://www.androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=48853 (the one ending in GPK3 is the most recent
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Questions & Answers] vznxc:
As the title says i bricked my phone, whenever i try to access fastboot or recovery mode the mi logo lights up and for a split second i can see a blue screen then it boots into cyanongenmod which stays there. I cant figure a way out of this. I cant enter EDL without fastboot as far as I know if someone knows a way to do this please notify me
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Questions & Answers] Biswajyoti:
You need to make a deep flash cable to get into edl mode.......you can make it by yourself it is very easy..

just pick any micro usb cable(data cable) peel of the cable with a sharp blade...you will find 4 wires inside it Red,white,green and black....just shock the green and black wire and switch off your phone and connect the modified cable to the phone and your pc to get into the edl mode and flash latest firmware with the help of miui flashtools.....good luck...
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Questions & Answers] ckflash09:
What's shock here?

Bro what do you mean by just shock the green and black wire??pls reply!
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Questions & Answers] vznxc:
Turns out that i was just dumb. I could access fastboot mode and i unbricked it via it :good:
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] Franssen:
Hello,

MIUI Beta global version for 7.1.19 based on nougat.

Use it at your own risk !

Its a Beta so expect Bugs !

Only recovery files available, this can be only flashed with twrp mod not in stock recovery.

Try it on your own risk.

Be sure to flash Also SuperSU

The procedure to install and also avoid losing TWRP recovery would be:

--------------------------------------------------------------

- Flashing the ROM zip from the TWRP mod by nijel8, DO NOT Restart.

- Mount SYSTEM.

- Return to the main menu, enter "Advanced / File Manager".

- Scroll down to "system", check if all files will be shown.

- Go down to "recovery from boot press open and delete file if available to keep the twrp version.

- STILL DO NOT RESTART.

- Flashing the SuperSU zip for decryption.

- Now restart and ready.

Hydrogen 32Gb Global Version

------------------------------------------------------------

Recovery

---------------------------------------------------

http://bigota.d.miui.com/7.1.19/miui_MIMAXGlobal_7.1.19_e930be0c75_7.0.zip

Helium Global Version

------------------------------------------------------------------

http://bigota.d.miui.com/7.1.19/miui_MIMAX652Global_7.1.19_a47d1feb36_7.0.zip

Recovery

---------------------------------------------------

http://bigota.d.miui.com/7.1.12/miui_MIMAX652Global_7.1.12_e956a056f4_7.0.zip

Supersu

-------------------------------------------------

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/supersu/download/zip/SuperSU-v2.79-201612051815.zip
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] LiviiYS:
Super laggy on my device
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] Franssen:
What version did you flashed ? fastboot ?

Works fine over here
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] paarkhi:
Does this have Multiwindow?
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] iJohnny:
No. Still not integrated
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] deepankarverma:
how to install this recovery , i trying it says"check your account this is beta rom , make sure you have signed into beta testing account"

now how can i install this recovery????
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] iJohnny:
Recovery install has been blocked so you need to use Fastboot.
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] Franssen:
I did the recovery trough twrp and this flashed fine , but i had a lot of errors on miui , after i flashed fastboot and all perfect.

Better flash the fastboot file to be sure !
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] kyler084:
Any link for helium users please? :)
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] cFendez:
You are going to put Helium when it is released?
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] kyler084:
I already have a link for the helium 7.1.5 beta recovery zip, but my phone won't boot after flash so need the Fastboot version
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] Franssen:
Searching for the Helium Global but hard to find , because its still closed beta
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] cFendez:
Do you have link from 7.1.5 china?
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] kyler084:
I don't sorry :( have 7.1.5 global recovery and 6.12.29 7.0 helium Fastboot images
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] domnic79:
Can i root this rom by flashing the rom zip in TWRP & then flashing Supersu.zip?
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] kyler084:
Dude read the first post please! [emoji3]
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] nikpoth:
Yes normally, without any problem
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] tombassi:
hi, if you applied for beta team please check your PM;)
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] mat9v:
Here is the link to Turkish forum that has the Helium image 7.1.5 Global. Image is from 05 january 2017

Flashed and working. LTE is breaking connections in Europe - I will investigate :)

http://forum.miuiturkiye.net/konu/miui-v8-android-n-mi-max-global-beta-rom-7-1-5-test-rom.9736/

You must register on forum to download.

Edit: I have created a fix for LTE problem - it's for Helium only - flash if you have only 3G Link
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] iJohnny:
7.1.5 working perfectly on my max. LTE also good.
[Xiaomi Mi Max Guides, News, & Discussion] eseregin:
Please read 2 posts up