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[Android Head-Units] yurtesen:
[MENTION=4216853]Hilari0[/MENTION] the problem is the apps. After 1-2 years the app developers will set minimum android version to 6+ because it is more work to try to support, for example, security features for pre and past versions. So, you won't be able to use any apps on your device, it will be basically a brick. The problem is not related to amount of features/improvements you get with Android 6. The problem is that Android 5 is already too old. According to android stats, latest 5.0 version usage is 10% and 5.1 usage is 23% and it will go down from there.

The 3GR chipset is dead, therefore development. They will not develop any new OS updates for an old chipset which doesn't actively being sold. Simply because you say that they are still developing it, does not mean they are actually doing anything. I would like to see your proof about this chipset being "current". Because I am even surprised that they are still producing it actually. (or do they? are they trying to sell leftovers perhaps?) If you look around, this chipset was dead for long time and there are many articles online about it.

Don't you think that ALL the ARM processors have already standby? :) You must be kidding me if you think Intel invented this feature. We all have in our phones these processors which can standby for weeks with tiny batteries (I can put my phone to airplane mode and leave on desk for 2 weeks, I have at least 50+% battery left). But if you don't believe me, believe youtube :)

Ownice C200 warm boot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0SfhfUnXP0

Ownice C500 warm boot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54AXUQNNcSw

Actually if you have a look, you can see that this guy has a lot of videos about the functionality of the C500 unit:

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=69663631&postcount=42

I have been talking with ownice on aliexpress and they respond rather quickly. I am not exactly sure what else you need :) Also, isn't it Ownice(Winlink) producing the devices that Joying sell?

You have to understand, there is a reason why 3GR chipset development was stopped. Because it was inferior and they couldn't make it competitive. I think maybe one of the reasons may be your overheating problem. It is probably using too much power.

But anyway, everybody has right to their own opinion :) so good luck with your purchase.
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
most apps I need still work with Android as far back as 4 mate.

To be honest as long as i get a couple of years out of this unit i will be happy. by then hopefully they will have developed a lot further.

we shall see.
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
You didn't respond about the screen on the C500 being low res.. And apps are still available for Kitkat, 4.4. Sure, the latest games or what else might not be available, but that doesn't matter for a head unit. Maps, Spotify, Pandora, video players, ODB software and so on will still be available long enough before this unit will be upgraded.

And yeah, low power mode and warm boots existed before Intel, but it's well known that the Mediatek based units will shut all the way down after a set time (2 hours or so, can be changed in settings) so they won't drain battery. I don't know if this applies to the new octa cores from Ownice, but the older units had this. The intel ones are simply better designed than the older Mediatek CPUs.

Rockchip lists Sofia as their CPU here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockchip#Tablet_processors_with_integrated_modem

and the latest Sofia unit released was in October 2016:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microprocessors#.22SoFIA.22_.2828_nm.29

Doesn't look so dead to me.... It will last more than long enough for a head unit which will be replaced after 2-3 years. I'm not worried about losing app support any time soon at all, and highly doubt that will happen within the 2 years I plan on keeping it.
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
Happy with this. thanks mate. looking forward to receiving this and getting it installed. I had the installation of my new amp and linedriver booked for friday - if i receive this by then from Germany (to UK) then can do it same day otherwise i will move the installations date.

the back of these Chinese units all look the same so i am sure they just have to take the old one out and put the new one in - hopefully all the connectors for things like steering wheel control are the same....so they dont charge me more for the fitting
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
Also, depending on your needs, the Intel supports GLONASS for navigation, the Ownice does not...
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
just looked it up - interesting!
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
Reading through this thread:

https://xdaforums.com/android-auto/android-head-units/ownice-c500-released-t3478747

the Ownice C500 seems to have a lot more "quirks" than the Joying Intel head units. One major one seems to be issues with Bluetooth and connecting to OBD2, which is important for me. The Intel head units has a fully functional bluetooth with access to the stock Android bluetooth interface, which lets you pair anything and avoid using the weird chinese bluetooth interface. None of the head units are perfect, both has issues, both won't be up to date more than 2-3 years. It basically comes down to which unit ticks the most boxes on your bucket list, the Joying Intel one ticks most of the stuff on my list and works very well and smoothly. As for which CPU is best, that also depends on your preference. Benchmarking ARM architecture vs x86 architecture simply won't make sense as they're very different and there's no good benchmark for both. Intel has wider support for stuff, which I believe is more important in a head unit.
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
One more quick question, will the stock bluetooth app pair obd2 devices?
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
It worked with my OBDLink MX, but had to change the unit PIN to 1234. I don't know if it works with ALL, but I know one of the updates they released was specifically to address issues with connecting to OBD2 adapters through bluetooth.
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
Ok. Amp for speakers with crossover, line driver and new joying head unit being fitted tommorow. Let you know how it goes! Fingers crossed
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
Good luck! :) If you have to update the firmware (I had to, despite the unit being built days before it shipped, it still had old firmware), make sure to use a class 10 SD card formatted as FAT32. Mine wouldn't update from USB, and failed if the SD card was formatted to anything other than FAT32. :)
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
Thanks for the heads-up

… What do you mean if I "have to" update the firmware… do you mean if I want to update the firmware? does it force you to update it before use?

Also where do I find the firmware file?
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
It's not that you "have to" update it, but it's highly recommended as they do fix issues and bugs, the last one supposedly was going to add a new alternative UI so you had three UI's to choose from, but the new UI didn't work for me and others have reported the same.

You can find the updates here: https://www.carjoying.com/Joying-blog/59.html
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
Ok, I will try and make it one of the first things I do….. As long as it doesnt make things worse like Microsoft updates.. LoL

I hope the connectors at the back of the unit are the same as my old unit? They all look the same from the pics of all these chinese units…
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
Maybe, but do compare them closely to make sure they match so you don't damage the new one.
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
I will leave that to the fitters.

I do hope the screen on this one is brighter as well. I noticed in sunshine that this one can be faint
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
I think it's bright enough, don't have any problems here with sunshine, though mine is slightly recessed into the dash...
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
OK - all fitted - gains have been tailored to my needs and i can safely say a big thank you for recommending me that Joying stereo.

It absolutely blows the previous one out of the water. You can see how responsive it is straight away. the processor copes with multi-tasking literally about 15 times better than the NAVISKAUTO. One other thing that used to really wind me up about the NAVISKAUTO is that it took about a minute to boot up every time i started the car. this unit is literally straight on .....I actually could not believe there was no boot time at all. i am sure there will be boot time after leaving it overnight but after 10, 20 mins i got back into the car and there it was instantly back on.

Obviously i havent had time to test too much - i got home and i actually didnt want to leave my car..LOL

The line driver works outstandingly well - £30 a small price to pay to have my sub back and playing well. The 4 channel JBL amp powers the car speakers well with the high-pass filter on. the volume goes to 30 but i literally cant put it above 20 as it would be too loud for me - although the speakers can take it. The bass is outstanding.

The bluetooth worked out the box to my phone and obd2.

If anyone has any questions about this stereo fire them at me and i will answer as best i can. the more i use it the more i will know.

one question [MENTION=4216853]Hilari0[/MENTION] - how do i get the stock sat nav from german to english? (it doesnt bother me too much as i use Waze but it would be nice to have an offline one)

thanks again man! top HU
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
Great to hear you liked it! :) The instant on, no boot time is there even if you leave the car for days. That's one of the things I love about it. It completely powers down the CPU and all, but I presume the RAM is still powered in a low powered state, and the OS is in a hibernation or deep sleep. When you get back, it's there and ready to go in a second, no matter how long you've been gone. I couldn't believe it myself, I was worried it would drain my battery but I didn't use my car for a couple of days and it was no difference in cranking power.

As for german navigation, I'm not sure but I guess you'd change that in the settings somewhere. Mine was english out of the box so I didn't mess with it. The offline maps are terrible where I am, so I just use Google Maps with downloaded maps for my area.
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
I haven't had a chance to really play around with it.

I may change the launcher no Nova…

One thing I did notice during my limited time using it was that when you are in a call, you cannot minimise the screen, even if you press home the call screen keeps coming up and takes the whole screen up. do you know any way around this?
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
i am also having a problem mapping the keys to the steering wheel.

with the previous stereo the keys worked after the fitting. The fitters had to do a bit of troubleshooting to get them right but they connected all the cables to the right place and it worked.

I just spoke to the fitter eho installed the new stereo and he is happy to have it back in to look if there is anything he missed but he is sure he kept everything the same with this fitting..

is there anything i need to know which may be slightly different on the hardware end to get this to work? or even if there is something i need to do on the software end?

it is something which i didnt care too much about before i got the initial stereo but now i have got used to it i miss it...lol

also what is the password for developer settings?

many thanks

nick
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
The PIN for the extra settings is 3368.

For the SWC, all I had to do was to open the steering wheel settings screen, hold one of the buttons on my steering wheel, i.e. Volume Up, then press the corresponding key on the HU and then let go. Did that with all four buttons on my wheel, with no issues. My car uses a standard resistor ladder network for the SWC, so if yours uses CANBUS then you might need an adapter for it and set up that adapter correctly.
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
oooohhhh....with the previous stereo I had to press the button on the screen then press the button on the wheel. I never thought to try it your way. i will try that next time i am in the car...

thanks for the code.

any way to minimize the call screen? would like to be able to do other stuff on the stereo during a call...

also - the firmware updates you sent me - 2 of them were for firmware's and the last one was just a ui update.

with regards to the 2 firmware ones, if i just do the latest update will that be enough? are they cumulative?
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
Yeah, they're cumulative. Just install the newest one, and you're good. The UI update is the newest, not much changed since the december update, but you never know if they fixed some bugs and forgot to put it on the list.

As for minimizing the screen while calling, I honestly don't know. I don't usually make calls while driving other than short calls, so my usage of it hasn't brought me to a situation where I needed to minimize it. Hitting the home button doesn't work?
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
thanks mate. i tried the method of key-mapping you described but still no-go. It worked on my previous HU so must be a couple of wires need changing around or something....no biggie - i will take it to the fitter later this week.

how do you do a full reboot? the problem with instant-on is that i cannot see any way to actually do a proper reboot?
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
Swipe down the notification area till you see the shortcuts, and there's a reboot button there.
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
thanks man
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
mate - i have only had this stereo just over 2 months and i am already getting the issue with the LCD not coming on anymore. The music still plays and the touchscreen still works, but the screen doesnt come on....Joying's first response was to send me a youtube video of some soldering i had to do on the main board and ask me to do it. i couldnt stop laughing...2 months i have had this stereo and they are asking me to solder to fix a problem.

have you any advice? They have told me to buy another one and then return that one and they will refund me postage both ways....but i dont want to get the same damn one and this happens again
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
Hmm, that really sucks. Mine has been working perfectly since I got it, but I guess it is a bit of a risk with chinese brands. Personally I would probably solder it myself since I work with electronics, but for someone who doesn't I would probably advise them to take it to an electronics workshop and ask them to do the soldering as per Joyings instructions. It's one of two things, either the LCD itself went belly up, or there's a bad connection. One thing you can try is to shine a light into it to see if the screen is displaying anything but no backlight, or if it's just completely dark and not displaying anything. That might at least help narrow it down a little. If you have it open, check that all the flat flex cables are properly connected.
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
hi - thanks so much for your response

to clarify, the issue is intermittent.

when i first get in the car in the morning, the screen is shining beautifully. i now use this opportunity to choose my tunes and put them on shuffle for the day. After a few minutes the screen just goes off. If i swipe on the screen it goes to the next song so the touch screen still works. the controls on my steering wheel still work and everything...this is good because i would die in a car with silence! On the first day it happened i could reboot and the screen would come back on. Now it just goes off after a few minutes.

this is the link they gave me - take a look and let me know how much i would expect an experienced solderer to charge me...i wonder if it is becasue as the board gets hot, the soldered connection is not as good? or is this just rubbish lol?

video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUVo41pIqMc
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
So I guess it's a cold solder joint which affects the system board in some way. Would be nice to know what that connection is, because if it's the main power to the system board, causing the system board to be dead then this is not your problem since you're still able to use the radio even when the display is out.

It's very tough to estimate what a repair shop would charge, the solder job in the video would literally cost 1 dollar here where I live in the Philippines, but in the US it might be 100 dollars.. :)
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
ok, but I dont think the system board would be dead - if i can use the stereo as normal - just cant see the screen. All the buttons work (source, home, back) and i am playing mp3s not radio - also my bluetooth phone connection works!

one thing i forgot to mention is the screen comes back on sometimes if i get a phonecall...just makes me laugh.

i dont mind paying for the soldering if

a) it sorts the issue out

b) it means if they do a good soldering job this wont happen again.

maybe yours is fine because of that arctic cooling solution you used?
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
Could be that the cooling solution decreased the temperature enough to not make this an issue, with big temperature differences, stuff tends to expand and contract a little, which may break a bad solder joint. In the video it seems like he basically just touched up a solder joint. If this fixes your issue or not is impossible to say for sure as I don't know much about the circuits on these head units, but might be worth a shot if it's not too expensive in your area.
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
thanks for your input mate - i appreciate it.

i wonder if i can get the screen on for long enough I can screenshare to my Galaxy S6 for now until this is sorted so i can at least control what i want to listen to
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
ok - so managed to get someone to sodler it adn it worked. Hopefully he did a good enough job it will last!

Just wondering - i have installed Nova launcher - but when i press home it doenst give me the option to set nova as default - still uses the built in one....any way to change this you know of?
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
Great to hear you got it fixed! Yep, just poke around in their "car settings" app, if you need the extra settings use 3368 as a PIN.. Also check the Roll up thread for neat stuff you can do with this unit:

https://xdaforums.com/android-auto/android-head-units/roll-joying-2gb-sofia-mtcb-mtcd-tips-t3555249
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
i had a look but it only gives their own 2 built-in launchers as options - nova not listed.

i am a bit hesitant to do the updates from their blog in case i end up bricking it...also - if i do their latest update is it cumulative or do i have to run them one by one from the first one?
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
Just do the last update. I don't think it's unsafe to do it, but it takes a long time, 30-35 minutes at least and seems to appear frozen most of the time
[Android Head-Units] nk33:
30- 35 mins sitting in a car with no tunes.....damn! is it worth it in your opinion?

or is it a case of "if it aint broke dont try to fix it"
[Android Head-Units] Hilari0:
Well, it fixes bugs for the most part, one of them introduces a new UI3 choice, so I'd say it's worth it but YMMV. I've done it a couple of times, and rumours have it that an Android 6 update is coming soon.
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[Samsung Galaxy J7 Themes, Apps, and Mods] Mohamed R 96:
J7 (5) original Boot animation

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[Samsung Galaxy J7 Themes, Apps, and Mods] kuzo:
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[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Smidgers:
Maybe I'm just overlooking something obvious - but is there a way (other than the button on the back) to turn off the primary display??

I have figured out that i can double tap to wake. But haven't figured out bow to turn off.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Smidgers:
Disregard. Found out that i can double tap status bar for knock on feature to turn off.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] LuRock:
You should be able to double tap home screen as well to turn off
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Smidgers:
I think this has to be an empty spot on home screen. I use 5x5 and keep it pretty packed - so that doesn't work for me. But you are correct
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] dimm0k:
Keep in mind you can also double tap the notification bar if space is at a premium... I'm using Nova Launcher so only the notification bar works, which is good enough for me...
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Smidgers:
Yes - this is what i use now. Will take some getting used to, but seems easy enough to adjust to.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] midmadn:
I'm using Nova Prime and double tap on and off work fine. No need to use notification bar to tap off here. I can double tap any empty spot on any screen and it will turn off.

If it doesn't work like that for you - must be something else.

1. Do you have Nova Prime, or Free?

2. Do you use live wallpaper?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Smidgers:
This does work. I use the stock launcher. There's just not a lot of open real estate on my home screen. Also doesnt work outside of home screen (that I've noticed). So status bar has been OK.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Artimis:
When XPOSED eventually comes to Nougat there was an option in some of the old G3/G4 Tweakboxes (which ran on the G5, V10, etc) to double tap the navigation bar as well as the status bar.

I got very accustom to that so hopefully that will become an option in the future as well.

For now, I am using Nova Prime Double tap to run a tasker task that executes a shell command (as root) to emulate the power button press. This will turn off the display and still allow you to wake it back up with the fingerprint sensor since other methods make use of the device administrator and require a pin/password/knock-code to unlock.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Smidgers:
Unfortunately our work email app (maas360) does not play nice with root. So i don't think that is in my future :(
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Sai.virinchi:
Double tap to off is not working on LG v20 while using Google launcher

If I'm using Google launcher on my LG v20.... Double tap to off is not working instead of enabling it on setting.

I like stock experience in any phone plz suggest me a way
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] ps3hacker3:
Look for the Microsoft launcher, tap to wake and sleep works with it
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Sai.virinchi:
Double tap to off is not working on LG v20 while using Google launcher

I like to have stock experience on my phone so I downloaded Google launcher on my LG v20 and my* double tap to off the screen is not working ... Is there any suggestions...??
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Smidgers:
I use the stock LG V20 launcher. But I'm thinking that you could still use the knock feature by double tapping the status bar