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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Flapjack:
This is definitely the 2nd volume bug, then. Maybe we should have a moderator edit post 1?

Vol_bug1:

Random, actual change of at least one volume slider from loud down to 0%. When this happens, no notifications are heard until the user reloads his profile (using HTC Home or SPB) or manually puts the sliders back in their correct place. This can even happen if your phone is set on vibrate, where something actually changes it to silent.

The occurance of this bug seems be related to background actions that occur when turning on or off your BT headset, making or ending a call with your BT headset, or initiating a call using MSVC. Without a BT headset "joined" the the phone, it would appear Vol_bug1 is not around. Even without any user action, the phone may dropped to zero. This has been speculated to have something to do with a BT headset turning on or off, or going in or out of range... but I've seen it happen with the earpiece and phone right next to each other, without using either. I could have not touched either for an hour, but then look at the phone to see the volume has been dropped.

Vol_bug2:

Not a whole lot is known about this bug, other than when it occurs, the volume sliders are left in place. It also seems to be a little harder to rectify, as simply moving the sliders, or changing your volume profiles doesn't change a thing. Ironically, vibrate mode works 100% of the time, which is great if you don't want to miss calls.

Some will either disable the HTC Home plugin, or reset their phone to get their sound back. I'm in the latter group, as I don't have HTC on my phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] orflin:
thing is for me, soft reset or power cycle (turning device completely off then on again) did not solve the problem. also in my process, I did turn off MSVC and srsWOW. I have not had the problem since taking those steps. hope we can all get this solved
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Flapjack:
Have you tried a different radio? I'm guessing not, as removing MSVC did the trick.

What is srsWOW, and how can I tell if I have it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wireless_one:
Excellent summary. I know I mentioned this in an earlier post but it perplexes me how this issue hasn't received more attention. The primary function of the kaiser/Tilt/TyTn II is . . . A PHONE! yet countless hours are spent to insure we can watch YouTube or get the weather. This isn't a knock at the chefs, as they are going with what the public wants. Still if we can't hear our phones ring we are SOL.

The more and more I think about about it, I wonder about whether this affects certain releases of these phones. I'm going to list below some facts about my phone (not OS) and maybe we can see if that has some bearing on the discussion:

at&t Tilt

KAIS100

P/N 99HCY090-00

36H00563-OOM

080907(RB01)/US

If you choose to follow suit, DON'T POST YOUR IMEI!!

Maybe only some of us get this because a particular flaw with our releases/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wireless_one:
srsWOW is a program that works wirh the phone and creates surround sound (oversimplified) but I can confirm that I don't have it on this ROM and (L26 V10) and still the issue arises.

It can be installed in lots of places so you should start with the program list for the ROM you have installed to see whether it is listed. If not, you can look pretty much anywhere for it. I've seen it in settings and programs so it's really just hunting for it. I have not been able to remove it from the ROM I used because ot was cooked in but I was able to disable it. Still, type 1 kept occurring . . .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] falyons:
Long time reader, first time poster...

I can say that this is probably not an issue with the fine cooked roms found here. I'm using the official ATT ROM and have the same issue. I've watched my phone switch the profile. I set the volume up, set the phone back at the home screen and in about a minute the screen flashes on again. When I check the volume after the phone wakes up, it is at zero. And soft reset didn't do anything.

Dre
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Flapjack:
Hmmm, that is the first time I've heard of anything other than a 6.1 ROM having the issue.

On a side note, for anyone that does not care about having a WM61 ROM, the Q-Mobile 1.2 version ROM definitely does not have the issue.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DisneyF1:
I have the volume drop on my TILT as well.

It only happens when I have it set in Vibrate mode, though.

MSVC will work fine on the first use, be it a call, or inquiry, or whatever; but then sometime after the BT kicks out, it will either turn the sound off or pull the sliders down to '0' or around 10%.

Using the phone in "On" mode instead of vibrate all day today, I had no volume maladies, but tonight after going back to vibrate it silenced the phone after the first use of BT.

It's done this on all ROMs used since going WM6.1 about a month ago. I've had it happen with and without WOW, hTC home and any other apps tried. I have not tried Cyberon VC, thoug. Anyone?

Hope this helps, I'm desperate for an answer, too.:o

OZ

ATT TILT

L26v10B3

R 1.65.24.36
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wireless_one:
Ultimately, what do we lose going back? I am leaning that way but I wonder what customizations I can't do with 6.0 vs. 6.1? I wonder if I could cook a 6.1 looking ROM with a 6.0 base?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Scann69:
So after reading thru all the post, still no solution to this problem? Sad....cos it's really pissing me off. I've had to restart the phone 6 times today cos the volume just died off.

Confirm it's not the ROM, nor it is the HardSPL or the Radio cos i've tried all that....it's just a HTC Home bug. What version are you guys using?

Mine is 2.1.1005722.s0

Can version 1.xxx work on WM6.1? Anybody tried? I'm just guessing ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wireless_one:
not a HTC Home Bug. same thing happens when not being used. 6.1 bug . . .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Scann69:
Oh....my bad....sorry. Guess the frastration got to me and had to blame it on something :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wireless_one:
no worries. this issue has me pricing out the Devil's iSpawn (you all know the "phone" I'm talking about) and the its sad when I sit hear watching the thread for any posts. I just want my Tilt to not do this anymore. The sadder thing is, I'm not even sure its a 6.1 thing. I think I'll flash Q-mobile and see if it shows up there. I could have sworn I had it with other 6.0 ROMS as well. That is why I was thinking maybe a hardware release issue that conflicts with some drivers or something (thus my post about what release I have). alas I haven't seen any comparison data so no way to know . . .

Hang.Tuah is looking into it, but he's on vacation and no posts yet . . .:(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] btprice2001:
I definitely had the same issue with the official 6.0 rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] acehole:
I use btaudio

I get it after I disconnect from bluetooth toggle and audio manager

I like to listen too music using my single earpiece. Happens all the time and very easy to test and recreate. I will always softreset after I am done, very sad bug.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] asfoor:
You certainly can.... I have it and running smooth...No glitches so far.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Flapjack:
What ROM are you running?

The last great (IMHO) WM 6.0 ROM was Q-Mobile 1.2. The main thing that keeps me coming back to WM 6.1 ROMs is the speed. Q's is great, but the 6.1 base is so much faster. Also, I have not been able to get threaded messaging working well on it. I refuse to use the Palm threaded messaging. It just doesn't work well on a non-Palm phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Flapjack:
Make that decision very carefully. I just got my girlfriend the iPhone. I must admit, it's slick. But say goodbye to copy/paste. I had no idea that would be such an issue to me... and I barely use it. Same thing with MMS. We used to send each other MMS pics all the time. No longer.

Now there's a supposed bug where I doesn't stay in 3g, but switches back and forth. I had to admit, I've noticed a few times when it was in "E" at our house. I always have at least 3 bars of H, usually 4 with the Tilt. I never get E at my house. So there are definitely some issues.

I would at least wait for the first update. Even then, you're going to lose a lot of flexibility you have with the Tilt. If you like the Tilt, you're better off just trying a different ROM.

If your frustration has gotten to the point where you're willing to sacrifice capabilities for stability, you might as well try the Q-Mobile 1.2 ROM. You'll still have more functionality than the iPhone...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] laakness:
Ok, this problem with the bluetooth and volume has not happened to me for a week and I've used/turned on/off my headset about 30 times in the past week. I don't have a solution but wanted to share what events transpired for me last weekend.

-I first do a Sprite Backup of my whole phone

-I flashed L26's v10 rom but didn't like it compared to Dutty's April 29 which I was running when i took the backup.

-I re-flashed Dutty's April 29 and reflashed my radio (sig).

-I let it boot up and did the cold reset and let it boot again.

-I restored my backup.

-I then installed the Diamond SPB Mobile shell 2.1 theme

-I then updated my S2U2 to v1.18 (to use the awesome finger volume app A_C made)

That is all of what I've done to my phone on Sunday of last weekend. This whole week I used my bt each day when driving home, random calls at home, etc. Every time I got done with the headset and shut it off I would doublecheck my volume right away and then again like 20 minutes later. Never dropped to 0. I really noticed it yesterday when I was running a lot of errands and kept shutting off the headset when going into stores (I don't like walking around with it on when not in use, think it looks dumb).

I'll keep monitoring it but maybe it's a fluke or maybe it will help some one, just thought I'd share.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wireless_one:
I know, I know. Just it kills me when this continues with no solution. I think I'll geve the Q-Mobile a spin, but I thought someone pointed out that it also had the bug. Anyway, Laakness seems to have found a trick so I might try that as well. HOPEFULLY when the att ROM update comes out and the Chefs gets there hands on it we will see something that address it in a 6.1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Scann69:
With all that said, i guess u r not going to be somebody who will recommend the iPhone to anybody :D I was actually thinking of getting the 3G iPhone but no copy/paste & MMS....then what the heck do u carry a 3G phone for :p

Well...no offence to anybody...just felt like typing something with my TyTN II with ROMeOS 4.21 :p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] laakness:
Ok, this still HAS NOT happened to me and I used my headset about 9 times yesterday/today. It's scaring me because I keep checking it and the phone keeps ringing just fine.

Assuming that not everyone with this issue uses SPB mobile shell then it may have had something to do with me reflashing. Here would be what happened without the SPB stuff.

-Take full (exe) backup using sprite backup to storage card.

-Flash different rom

-Flash back to your current rom (not sure if the flash to other rom would be necessary)

-Flash your radio (I had to do that since dutty april 29 comes with older radio)

-Phone automatically reboots.

-Once booted fully press and hold power switch and hit OK to soft reset.

It would be interesting if anyone is frustrated enough with this problem to try that.

The one other variable in this is that I upgraded S2U2 and use his "ilock2.exe -vc" shortcut for my 'finger friendly' volume control.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] laakness:
I won't keep posting but I still have not had one volume problem. I am now very confident in using my headset whenever I want.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wireless_one:
I just flashed the latest at&t stock ROM and have not witnessed it for the morning. They might have figured it out as well. Please do keep posting, though, as this issue is not dead and if we can keep it on the radar screen, it actually might get resolved.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Flapjack:
What version is the newest ATT ROM? I haven't kept up. Last I heard, they didn't have a WM 6.1 ROM out, so that would explain why the issue isn't there. The HTC WM 6.1 ROM does have the problem.

Also (I've been meaning to post this), it looks like volume bug 2 has something to do with the 24.36 radio. I switched to the 25.17 radio, and haven't had the problem since.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] asfoor:
Radio Issue?

I am (so far) certain it is a radio-ROM compatibility issue. I have L26 V12 with HTC Home, have had 1.65.24.36 for three days, until I faced the volume drop. Since then I flashed 1-58-25-17 radio and no issues so far. I had better battery with 24.36 but poor GPS lock signal. I am having OK battery life with 25.17, but better GPS lock signal, and no volume drop so far.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] asfoor:
Look here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=421007
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wireless_one:
I actually switched back to the 25.17 but still had the issue with Hyperdragon IIIr. I haven't changed my sig yet, but there are 2 choices of radios you can flash with the new at&t ROM (Asfoor, thanks for posting the link). One flashes with the ROM and there was another hidden that was extracted by ATW and posted in the thread. Using the one that flashed (someone reported heat issues but I haven't had that yet) but will also try the other. GPS lock was good and the jury is still out on battery life (I have it attached to the PC now so I don't have a fair method of knowing for sure)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mart-xda:
OK - for over a week, no issues. i do not use blue tooth headset, have been using the wired headphone jack through the usb port. must say though, haven't used bluetooth for months.

i will confirm though that this issue *only* happens after S2P plays a tune, i stop the playback, and phone goes into standby. when it comes out of standby, no sound, until i reset.

so anybody else notice the same thing with S2P?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Flapjack:
Yeah, just saw that earlier today. I'm on vacation, so I haven't really been keeping up. I will probably let the dust settle a bit more on this new ROM before I start playing with it.

Besides, I'm sure the cooks will rework it to be more like what I want from my phone. I was never quite happy with the ATT/HTC stock ROMs....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] btprice2001:
I'm fed up with these issues, so I followed the process you described. No luck though, I still have the same issues I had before. Btw, I used the same rom and radio you did.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] btprice2001:
Ok, I flashed the 1.58.25.17 radio and so far no issues! (knock on wood) I'm still on Dutys' WM6.1 Hybrid April 29 rom per laakness' post and my post above.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wireless_one:
For me, I am still confident that this this is primarily a BT issue. No matter what ROM, radio, or SPL combination. As soon as I use my BT, somewhere later on my volume zero's out, both type 1 and type 2. I also think that this might be a hardware issue associated with certain releases of the Tilt/Kaiser. I posted my specs erlier in the thread and as crazy as this might sound, what if it has something to do with earlier releases? I bought mine n Jan 08, and it was manufactured sometime prior. Might be worth considering.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Flapjack:
Mine is also one of the newer models, but I don't seem to be having the problem anymore. I got mine the first week it came out in US stores.

I'm running the 25.17 radio and ROMeOS 4.21.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wireless_one:
That's great! I can't seem to find the same luck with that ROM. During the week, I primariy use my BT so it get's a lot of use. Do you use yours frequently? That might be the reason if my theory is correct about it being BT . . . .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] btprice2001:
Well, so much for that. I still have the issues.

Also, I've noticed that I don't consistently get the issues when I have the normal ring profile selected (through HTC Home), but I do nearly 100% of the time when I have the vibrate profile selected. Also, I only experience the issues when using my bluetooth headset to place or receive calls, and I think the issues take effect at the moment device exits out of the phone screen. Could the issue be somehow related between bluetooth and the phone/dialer?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Scann69:
Well, not sure if this information helps but since my Kaiser has been sent back for warranty, i've used my Dopod 838 Pro the whole of today and have received at least 20 calls and i've answered all my call via my Jabra bluetooth headset.

The good news is i do not get the volume issue with this ROM i'm using with my 838 Pro. Information as below if any cook would like to look into the problem. Again, i'm just sharing the information, not sure if it helps especially since it's a totally different device

ROM: DVH V20

Radio: 1.47.00.10

WM version: Picture attached.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wireless_one:
Do you know if this ROM has been dumped? I don't recognize the build and maybe that could be the answer. Of course, it may have been dumped already, but since I'm not a Chef, I don't know. If it hasn't, would you know how to do it? Maybe a P1Tater can help.

Edit: answered my own question. looks like the ROM was cooked. What device is the Dopod 838? maybe it can be ported as a Kaiser bse?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Scann69:
The 838 Pro is actually a Hermes :) In Malaysia, that is what it's called....before HTC took over Dopod that is.

I will continue to use the Hermes till early next week when i get me Kaiser back. I'm pretty sure this particular ROM does not have the volume problem cos if it had, i should have gotten it yesterday with the amount of calls i was getting. Today is another day, i'm keeping my fingers crossed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] andrewholgate:
HHC Commander

I was having the same problem with dropped volume and to be honest it was starting to get a bit annoying to say the least.

I am using the latest Orange 6.1 Rom and had installed HHc commander to give me the music icon...this is when the volume started to drop to zero. Having tried various options I uninstalled HHC commander and this seemed to stop the issue. I did read somewhere (can't remember where though) that this had been a problem for someone else as well.

Great forum by the way...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Rhonald:
Try this in the REGISTRY, maybe it can help...

/HKLM/DRIVERS/BUILTIN/WAVEDEV

Go to "DLL" and modify the value to "wavedev.dll"

Save it and soft reset..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] btprice2001:
My registry already has this value and I'm experiencing the issues.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wireless_one:
I've experienced it with and without HHC. I'm still convinced it is BT related . . .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Scann69:
Yup...confirmed. No volume problem with my Hermes. 2 days with the Hermes & all works fine. I have HHC installed. So now it's either a device issue or WM issue.

So near yet so far :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] richabi:
I tried to search this thread for anything related to the Automatic setting for ringer so don't get pissed if someone mentioned this and i didnt see it.

I believe if you guys are setting your ringer to automatic then it considers your calendar appointments and by default the "status" for new appointments is "busy." I believe when the appointment time comes that are set to "busy," the phone automatically sets your ringer to silent so it doesnt disturb people (i.e. if you're in a meeting or whatever).

am i making sense? this could be a possible cause for some of you...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Flapjack:
This is not the issue. Good idea, though. It may be affecting some people that come to this thread looking for an answer....

The issue described in this thread (now two different types of bugs) are in fact.... bugs. There is no setting or configuration that will prevent this from happening, other than totally disabling Bluetooth and/or MSVC.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mynameisrabbit:
JETWARE helped for me

Hi @ll!

For me JETWARE solved the silence problem type 2. I just had to choose the right options in JETWARE settings.

Maybe this thread can help you!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tabashir:
I had this issue on various roms. I had been playing with SASHIMI to auto-install and started to look at things I may be auto-installing that could cause it.

I looked at SRS-WOW which I had installed but was disabled so had discounted it as a problem. However, as soon as I removed it and rebooted, I could set the volume and it stayed set correctly.

This was on Blackwood v1, not tried the same fix on other roms I had the problem with (Garmin3 , Dutty, Hyperdragon were some I can remember I also had the problem with).

Hope this helps.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] btprice2001:
Tried it and I still have the same issues.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wireless_one:
[19 September 08] HyperDragon III Pro + Manila2D . . .

seems to have solved it for me . . . I went the whole day doing things that would usually trigger it (bounce between TT7, calls, setting volume to vibrate and back again, initiating all calls with BT through MSVC, use Opera and PIE, go to YouTube and mute, etc. . .etc..etc . . .) and as of 5 minutes ago, I can still call my mobile from my desk line and . . . voila . . .still rings!

Very inetersting ROM by the way. I think I might like it better rhan the Diamond/HTC Home interfaces . . .

would be curious to see if anyone had similar results . . .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DisneyF1:
Hey wireless_one,

what did you do and is it still working properly?

Thanks,

OZ
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] curwiler:
Any updates Wireless_One? Is HyperDragon III Pro w/Manila 2D still working properly for you? I just got burned this weekend by this bug (again!) when my wife was trying to call me...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] btprice2001:
Yeah, that happened to me too with my wife. Definitely not fun...

Any updates Wireless_One? I'd love to be through with these issues, but I don't want to go through the hassle of reflashing/installing everything again if I'm still going to see the issues. Btw, if this rom does solve the issue, wouldn't this suggest that it's HTC Home that is causing the issues, since this rom does not include HTC home afaik?